Stupid World

[Ocean1]

works a fucking charm!

Which is a fucking sight more than can be said for anything you've done recently.

[Akzle]

Wibble

two for two!

now. i know you'd not be complaining. you had your chance to vote about every shit, so sit tight for another few years eh chump.

[Hemi Makutu]

Politicians?

Think they pay tax don't they?

Tax on other people's money.

That was all tax to begin with...



Yeah, but be fair, their perks are bit sweeter, if they can keep the ol' snout in the trough long enough..

[yokel]

'Decolonize your mind'? ?
More like you go back to the jungle stupid monkey girl.


https://youtu.be/1i80qaETtw8

[pritch]

Yeah, but be fair, their perks are bit sweeter, if they can keep the ol' snout in the trough long enough..

After an election the new MPs undergo a few days of "orientation" which as far as I can figure out is a guided tour of all the different things they can claim allowances for.

[Brian d marge]

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:bleh:

[mashman]

The CGS.

Economists Explain Why Our Economy Crashes Every 18 Years (http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2000510-economists-explain-why-our-economy-crashes-every-18-years/)

[Brian d marge]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/oct/30/spectre-stagflation-uk-economy-scarier-than-ever?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_b-gdnnews#link_time=1477808097

Because It's real simple ya morons , fiat ..fractional money is debt , and the interest on that debt reaches a point when there isn't enough coming in to pay for said debt

So you lower interest rates to zero .... And ,,,,when that don't work any longer.....

Yr fked

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[Brian d marge]

The CGS.

Economists Explain Why Our Economy Crashes Every 18 Years (http://www.theepochtimes.com/n3/2000510-economists-explain-why-our-economy-crashes-every-18-years/)
Nice try
Nowt to do with the money lent to by the land
No mention of glass steagal and or banks



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[mashman]

Nice try
Nowt to do with the money lent to by the land
No mention of glass steagal and or banks



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I agree. Tis something I'm waiting to mention to some people who recently approached me. However land is probably the first commodity to highlight what's in the post as that is where all of the real "money" is. So it ain't nuffink to do with the banks. Nuffink. I'll say it again, nuffink. As for glass steagal. It has nuffink to do with anything as it is a regulation and regulation does not affect the real "money". All fun and games for the plebs :shifty:

[Brian d marge]

I agree. Tis something I'm waiting to mention to some people who recently approached me. However land is probably the first commodity to highlight what's in the post as that is where all of the real "money" is. So it ain't nuffink to do with the banks. Nuffink. I'll say it again, nuffink. As for glass steagal. It has nuffink to do with anything as it is a regulation and regulation does not affect the real "money". All fun and games for the plebs :shifty:
The money as u and I understand , ie real wealth .
I agree with u
But using the currency that allows the transfer of wealth , then yes I'm afraid banks and steagal play a pivotal role


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[mashman]

The money as u and I understand , ie real wealth .
I agree with u
But using the currency that allows the transfer of wealth , then yes I'm afraid banks and steagal play a pivotal role


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Absowootwy. Tis why I consider the land price shift a decent marker for what's coming, as I see land as better than gold in terms of real wealth (not the currency value of). Heh... pivotal as in simple single points of useful failure.

[Brian d marge]

Absowootwy. Tis why I consider the land price shift a decent marker for what's coming, as I see land as better than gold in terms of real wealth (not the currency value of). Heh... pivotal as in simple single points of useful failure.
But then how to value the invaluable
Use currency, fewer and fewer players can afford that game ..by design
Or not use currency in which social pressures will limited it's health and well being..
Still ,I could always follow young chuzzlewit and with help and guidance from the The Anglo-Bengalee Disinterested Loan and Life Assurance Company
Buy my dream in Eden

Not


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[mashman]

But then how to value the invaluable
Use currency, fewer and fewer players can afford that game ..by design
Or not use currency in which social pressures will limited it's health and well being..
Still ,I could always follow young chuzzlewit and with help and guidance from the The Anglo-Bengalee Disinterested Loan and Life Assurance Company
Buy my dream in Eden

Not


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Ownership is its own valuation. That you can get a darned fine return on the RENT is obviously a nice bonus, but only if what you receive as rent has any value of use to anyone else. It's an old game eh.

[Brian d marge]

Ownership is its own valuation. That you can get a darned fine return on the RENT is obviously a nice bonus, but only if what you receive as rent has any value of use to anyone else. It's an old game eh.
Damn capitalist


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[Hemi Makutu]

Damn capitalist


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'You gottsta put the squeeze on them bitches, & hard, - else 'n' wise, you aint never a real playa, y'know what I is sayin'..

[mashman]

Creating child poverty for a whole new generation. Take a bow, Theresa May (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/31/child-poverty-theresa-may-housing-benefit-cuts?CMP=fb_gu)

[Brian d marge]

Creating child poverty for a whole new generation. Take a bow, Theresa May (https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/oct/31/child-poverty-theresa-may-housing-benefit-cuts?CMP=fb_gu)
At what point will the people say enough is enough

NEVER NEVER give up your kids to the state ,,,,,Never esp not in Britain

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[mashman]

At what point will the people say enough is enough

NEVER NEVER give up your kids to the state ,,,,,Never esp not in Britain

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Well, I guess they'll do nothing n lieu of any alternative. The guy lives in one of my old stompin' grounds and ironically, he's likely no more than a 15 minute walk to the CSA's nice shiny offices there. If it were 20/30 years ago they''ve likely burned the place to the ground. These days, not so much. Too much attitude trickle down. Turned a great people into fuckin dickheads.

[Brian d marge]

Well, I guess they'll do nothing n lieu of any alternative. The guy lives in one of my old stompin' grounds and ironically, he's likely no more than a 15 minute walk to the CSA's nice shiny offices there. If it were 20/30 years ago they''ve likely burned the place to the ground. These days, not so much. Too much attitude trickle down. Turned a great people into fuckin dickheads.
Is that someplace New Zealand
I used to live there.



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[mashman]

Is that someplace New Zealand
I used to live there.



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Nah, that's the fake one... although likely turn into the original given enough time.

[mashman]

Nation of Debt: New Zealand sitting on half-trillion-dollar debt bomb (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-finance/news/article.cfm?c_id=12&objectid=11651648)

To deal with climate change we need a new financial system (https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2016/nov/05/how-a-new-money-system-could-help-stop-climate-change)... no we don't, we need to get rid of financial systems completely.

[Brian d marge]

Nation of Debt: New Zealand sitting on half-trillion-dollar debt bomb (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-finance/news/article.cfm?c_id=12&objectid=11651648)

To deal with climate change we need a new financial system (https://www.theguardian.com/global-development-professionals-network/2016/nov/05/how-a-new-money-system-could-help-stop-climate-change)... no we don't, we need to get rid of financial systems completely.
In a fractional system , loan equals debt
At what cooking do I get to say ... I said that ages ago ....

Bubbles go ... Pop.....then what will happen

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[mashman]

In a fractional system , loan equals debt
At what cooking do I get to say ... I said that ages ago ....

Bubbles go ... Pop.....then what will happen

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The peeps will beg for more, but in a UBI stylee.

[Akzle]

Nation of Debt: New Zealand sitting on half-trillion-dollar debt bomb (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-finance/news/article.cfm?c_id=12&objectid=11651648)

shush. according to ocean everything's better than it ever has been and prosperity and shit.

[Voltaire]

Nation of Debt: New Zealand sitting on half-trillion-dollar debt bomb (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/personal-finance/news/article.cfm?c_id=12&objectid=11651648)



You can tell the financial experts as they say stuff like this:


The reality is there will be a hiccup. It's a matter of when, not if.
Jeffrey Stangl, CFA and economics lecturer at Massey University

[mashman]

You can tell the financial experts as they say stuff like this:

heh... as a bloke on t'internet said recently "Economics is the art of predicting what the economy will do; then explaining why that didn't happen.".

[Brian d marge]

heh... as a bloke on t'internet said recently "Economics is the art of predicting what the economy will do; then explaining why that didn't happen.".
Yes , u can fool some of the people most of the time ....

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[Voltaire]

heh... as a bloke on t'internet said recently "Economics is the art of predicting what the economy will do; then explaining why that didn't happen.".

They are up their with " Reliable Sources" " Government Spokesman" and " Officials today stated"

[mashman]

Yes , u can fool some of the people all of the time ....

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heh... made a little edity, if only coz bush said otherwise :eek:


They are up their with " Reliable Sources" " Government Spokesman" and " Officials today stated"

lol... yup, and "we asked 3 people and they said that insert country of choice is the most awesome place in the world".

[Voltaire]

The line has been crossed....
Corporate greed reaches new levels.
What next.....smaller diameter Pringles?, thicker glass on beer bottles?:mad:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwuXilbXAAApTyh.jpg

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/toblerone-new-shape-outrage-chocolate-scandal-a7404011.html

[mashman]

The line has been crossed....
Corporate greed reaches new levels.
What next.....smaller diameter Pringles?, thicker glass on beer bottles?:mad:


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CwuXilbXAAApTyh.jpg

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/toblerone-new-shape-outrage-chocolate-scandal-a7404011.html

The new gap between the pieces is just intolerable :crybaby: then again, my eyes might be going and the gap is the same as it's always been.

[Hemi Makutu]

Well, looks like Don'll actually have to read 'Mein Kampf' now...

Or, get a bunch of " how to's " from his good buddy Putin..

[Brian d marge]

oh noes , people doing different stuff, ...cant compute , must remove ...

Tasman District Council regulatory manager Adrian Humphries said as a result of complaints the council had been looking into removing the camp structures for safety and environmental reasons.
Initially it was thought the camp was on land owned by Land Information New Zealand, but research showed it was on private property. Because of the age of the title, the property owner's rights extended to the middle of the river.
Humphries said the council believed it had identified the property owner. The next step would be to approach them to have the structures removed on the grounds they were not safe and sanitary under the Building Act and were not permitted under the Resource Management Act.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86266295/new-kind-of-freedom-campers-part-of-grassroots-revolution



(http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86266295/new-kind-of-freedom-campers-part-of-grassroots-revolution)

[mashman]

oh noes , people doing different stuff, ...cant compute , must remove ...

Tasman District Council regulatory manager Adrian Humphries said as a result of complaints the council had been looking into removing the camp structures for safety and environmental reasons.
Initially it was thought the camp was on land owned by Land Information New Zealand, but research showed it was on private property. Because of the age of the title, the property owner's rights extended to the middle of the river.
Humphries said the council believed it had identified the property owner. The next step would be to approach them to have the structures removed on the grounds they were not safe and sanitary under the Building Act and were not permitted under the Resource Management Act.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86266295/new-kind-of-freedom-campers-part-of-grassroots-revolution



(http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/86266295/new-kind-of-freedom-campers-part-of-grassroots-revolution)

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[mashman]

International defence force exercise in Murchison (http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/73792057/International-defence-force-exercise-in-Murchison)... maybe they could build a few houses whilst they're there.

[mashman]

TPP Bill passes Third Reading (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA1611/S00267/tpp-bill-passes-third-reading.htm)

[Brian d marge]

Look at up Mr Obama we are in the same club .... Look we are following the plan ...look at us

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[Banditbandit]

International defence force exercise in Murchison (http://www.stuff.co.nz/nelson-mail/news/73792057/International-defence-force-exercise-in-Murchison)... maybe they could build a few houses whilst they're there.

What is really means is that the local growers will be having fits ...

[mashman]

US Secretary of State John Kerry meets with John Key in Wellington with the future of TPPA on the line (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/86402437/us-secretary-of-state-john-kerry-meets-with-john-key-in-wellington-with-the-future-of-tppa-is-on-the-line)... the deal was done on Sunday then he fooked off. Damn the murcans have a habit of leaving just before quakes.

[Brian d marge]

US Secretary of State John Kerry meets with John Key in Wellington with the future of TPPA on the line (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/86402437/us-secretary-of-state-john-kerry-meets-with-john-key-in-wellington-with-the-future-of-tppa-is-on-the-line)... the deal was done on Sunday then he fooked off. Damn the murcans have a habit of leaving just before quakes.
Nz was warned. Look sign or...

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[mashman]

Post-quake freeze on new insurance cover catches out home buyers and sellers (http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/86522212/postquake-freeze-on-new-insurance-cover-catches-out-home-buyers-and-sellers)... gotta minimise that exposure bro.

[mashman]

Nz was warned. Look sign or...

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I doubt JK wouldn't have signed it. He's an extraordinary leader after all.

[mashman]

Trial for a basic income for all may go ahead in Scotland (http://www.thenational.scot/news/14921161.Trial_for_a_basic_income_for_all_may_go_a head_in_Scotland/?ref=erec)... Dinnae dae it fer fucksake.

[Akzle]

Trial for a basic income for all may go ahead in Scotland (http://www.thenational.scot/news/14921161.Trial_for_a_basic_income_for_all_may_go_a head_in_Scotland/?ref=erec)... Dinnae dae it fer fucksake.

gaat tae baalunce thae buuks, wotwot.

[bogan]

Trial for a basic income for all may go ahead in Scotland (http://www.thenational.scot/news/14921161.Trial_for_a_basic_income_for_all_may_go_a head_in_Scotland/?ref=erec)... Dinnae dae it fer fucksake.

Seems like they've got the right idea

"Figures proposed by the Royal College of Arts in its research on the policy suggest, on the basis of 2012-13 prices, most adults would receive £3,692 a year, while the over 65s would get £7,420. Payments to parents for children would be between £2,925 and £4,290, depending on the child’s age and if there is more than one child in a family."

[mashman]

gaat tae baalunce thae buuks, wotwot.

A system designed and built for morons to swallow. Ironically, it's a Targeted Basic Income, not a UNIVERSAL one. Shows you how ill educated the morons actually are.

[mashman]

Seems like they've got the right idea

"Figures proposed by the Royal College of Arts in its research on the policy suggest, on the basis of 2012-13 prices, most adults would receive £3,692 a year, while the over 65s would get £7,420. Payments to parents for children would be between £2,925 and £4,290, depending on the child’s age and if there is more than one child in a family."

And then I went over the page :killingme... see my previous post.

[bogan]

And then I went over the page :killingme... see my previous post.

It's fuck all, just what they contribute, so just what they deserve. Saving a bit in admin overheads is all good.

More importantly though, it means they can earn a smidge more by contributing even a little bit, and be rewarded for it.

[mashman]

It's fuck all, just what they contribute, so just what they deserve. Saving a bit in admin overheads is all good.

More importantly though, it means they can earn a smidge more by contributing even a little bit, and be rewarded for it.

They already get that. Saving a bit on admin will be swallowed up by the implementation costs of a new system, and some. So it's not fuck all... not even in the slightest. Let alone that the people that administrate the system are gonna be made redundant, which will lower the overall tax take and I et they'll be real happy to take a huge drop in salary so that they too can be a part of the TBI experiment.

Aha, a business subsidy by any other name. You seem to fit the description of the afore mentioned swallowing moron. Til then, as per usual, send the self-inflated egotistical red that you feel you need to feel superior. And remember, it's not about you, it's about logic, reason and common sense. Should you trip over some on the way to enlightenment, please feel free to come back and try again, son.

[Brian d marge]

without even reading the link. A few questions arise?

If this is a form of Keynesian economics , ( someone wades in with cash and ideas until the situation improves. The ideas are ok , but if you start doling out cash under a fiat currency system. Then the debt must rise making the situation worse.

If everyone has a basic income, who controls that income ? Should we dig Lenin up and ask him for some pointers? Just rely on the ministry of truth....

Until the basic fundamentals are addressed ( money based on surplus not debt ) , its just painting a turd yellow and saying look how wonderful I am

Or they have a manual they are copying from;

The novel is set in Airstrip One (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airstrip_One) (formerly known as Great Britain), a province of the superstate Oceania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_of_Nineteen_Eighty-Four) in a world of perpetual war, omnipresent government surveillance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance), and public manipulation, dictated by a political system euphemistically named English Socialism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingsoc) (or Ingsoc in the government's invented language, Newspeak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak)) under the control of a privileged elite of the Inner Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Party), that persecutes individualism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualism) and independent thinking as "thoughtcrime (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime)."[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four#cite_note-3)

[bogan]

They already get that. Saving a bit on admin will be swallowed up by the implementation costs of a new system, and some. So it's not fuck all... not even in the slightest. Let alone that the people that administrate the system are gonna be made redundant, which will lower the overall tax take and I et they'll be real happy to take a huge drop in salary so that they too can be a part of the TBI experiment.

Aha, a business subsidy by any other name. You seem to fit the description of the afore mentioned swallowing moron. Til then, as per usual, send the self-inflated egotistical red that you feel you need to feel superior. And remember, it's not about you, it's about logic, reason and common sense. Should you trip over some on the way to enlightenment, please feel free to come back and try again, son.

Learns maths dude, taxation is part of earnings, making people redundant from govt paid jobs loses tax (part), but also mean the govt doesn't have to pay that wage (whole). Which do you think is bigger, the part or the whole :facepalm:

Business subsidy? How so?

You'll get your red at the normal time I'd expect, when you run out of blither and find some lame as shit cop-out...

[mashman]

without even reading the link. A few questions arise?

If this is a form of Keynesian economics , ( someone wades in with cash and ideas until the situation improves. The ideas are ok , but if you start doling out cash under a fiat currency system. Then the debt must rise making the situation worse.

If everyone has a basic income, who controls that income ? Should we dig Lenin up and ask him for some pointers? Just rely on the ministry of truth....

Until the basic fundamentals are addressed ( money based on surplus not debt ) , its just painting a turd yellow and saying look how wonderful I am

Or they have a manual they are copying from;

The novel is set in Airstrip One (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airstrip_One) (formerly known as Great Britain), a province of the superstate Oceania (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nations_of_Nineteen_Eighty-Four) in a world of perpetual war, omnipresent government surveillance (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_surveillance), and public manipulation, dictated by a political system euphemistically named English Socialism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ingsoc) (or Ingsoc in the government's invented language, Newspeak (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newspeak)) under the control of a privileged elite of the Inner Party (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inner_Party), that persecutes individualism (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Individualism) and independent thinking as "thoughtcrime (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thoughtcrime)."[3] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nineteen_Eighty-Four#cite_note-3)

Akzle was closest... but with a little bit of robbery thrown in for good measure. Think pension funds etc... in regards to kicking it all off. And yeah, then you've got the how to fund it in the golden age of technological unemployment i.e. less working people = less taxation to fund it (LVT the likely candidate to fill that void). Then that leads to your other question, who controls the income. A Sili con Valley experiment is using private funding. And that's about it in a nutshell. Something for morons to swallow coz it can be packaged and sold in such a way that it looks nice and shiny on the surface. Not to mention it's politically expedient coz it'll be fair, morons utter this (see above), as they don't have to ask for more money to give to the cohort they've been vilifying and blaming for years. All of that being the tip of the iceberg. I'm pretty sure you can extrapolate the rest given the nature of the beast. It's a riveting read (:yawn:), but someone has to do it. And scene.

[mashman]

Learns maths dude, taxation is part of earnings, making people redundant from govt paid jobs loses tax (part), but also mean the govt doesn't have to pay that wage (whole). Which do you think is bigger, the part or the whole :facepalm:

Business subsidy? How so?

You'll get your red at the normal time I'd expect, when you run out of blither and find some lame as shit cop-out...

Coz govt always lowers taxes to pay for less staff. Reality isn't your strong suit is it. And you conveniently ignored the costs of the new system. That usually runs into a few billion.

bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa...

Around about now would suit.

[Katman]

Reality isn't your strong suit is it.

And the stupid fuck has the gall to label others delusional. :facepalm:

[bogan]

Coz govt always lowers taxes to pay for less staff. Reality isn't your strong suit is it. And you conveniently ignored the costs of the new system. That usually runs into a few billion.

bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa...

Around about now would suit.

Why would govt need to lower taxes to pay for less staff? They have less staff, so need not pay them, that they miss the fraction of that pay coming back as tax doesn't somehow negate the obvious net savings. Save a few billion a year though, pay itself off in no time...

[mashman]

And the stupid fuck has the gall to label others delusional. :facepalm:

Wait til he actually does the maths. No doubt we'll be hearing that it won't be able to pay for itself and a debt jubilee will be required.


Why would govt need to lower taxes to pay for less staff? They have less staff, so need not pay them, that they miss the fraction of that pay coming back as tax doesn't somehow negate the obvious net savings. Save a few billion a year though, pay itself off in no time...

For a Targeted Basic Income, that may well be the case. However, once scaled up to Universal Basic Income, not so much. NZ's Labour Party have figured out as much for good reason. The RSA have been "struggling" with it too. And that's before taking into account technological unemployment.

[bogan]

For a Targeted Basic Income, that may well be the case. However, once scaled up to Universal Basic Income, not so much. NZ's Labour Party have figured out as much for good reason. The RSA have been "struggling" with it too. And that's before taking into account technological unemployment.

Which is what this is. Then a UBI is just the same shit in a different tax package (rates go up, not down btw). Technological re-employment is a better term, as is production efficiency, increasing standards of living; all the 'sins' of capitalism stupid worlders love to hate, and boy do they love their hate filled ways :laugh:

[Katman]

Wait til he actually does the maths.

I hope it's better than his welding.

[bogan]

I hope it's better than his welding.

Not really sure what you're on about there? More delusions I guess...

[Katman]

Not really sure what you're on about there? More delusions I guess...

I've seen the pictures of your pop up stand.

No wonder you never got any orders for them.

It looks like something that would be produced in a Special Needs class.

[mashman]

Which is what this is. Then a UBI is just the same shit in a different tax package (rates go up, not down btw). Technological re-employment is a better term, as is production efficiency, increasing standards of living; all the 'sins' of capitalism stupid worlders love to hate, and boy do they love their hate filled ways :laugh:

Hate filled? Tis logic, reason and common sense. By all means ignore what 3.5k isn't going to buy you and what jobs won't be available to pay for or consume that production efficiency. Tis called reality. You bring the projected hate as per usual. I thought you would have figured that out by now.


I hope it's better than his welding.

Gawd his welding can't be as bad as the above.

[Katman]

Gawd his welding can't be as bad as the above.

He tried to hide it with red paint.

[mashman]

He tried to hide it with red paint.

bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa... probably thought it gave the situation a more positive outcome.

[bogan]

I've seen the pictures of your pop up stand.

No wonder you never got any orders for them.

It looks like something that would be produced in a Special Needs class.

Getting a bit stalkerish this evening are we, I didn't know you cared...


Hate filled? Tis logic, reason and common sense. By all means ignore what 3.5k isn't going to buy you and what jobs won't be available to pay for or consume that production efficiency. Tis called reality. You bring the projected hate as per usual. I thought you would have figured that out by now.



Gawd his welding can't be as bad as the above.

What I know is standards of living are better than ever, that's reality, a mighty positive one at that. 3.5k not buying shit all is the point, not what is ignored. Jobs not available is also the point, since it makes other, better jobs available in their place.

[mashman]

What I know is standards of living are better than ever, that's reality, a mighty positive one at that. 3.5k not buying shit all is the point, not what is ignored. Jobs not available is also the point, since it makes other, better jobs available in their place.

Yet poverty in NZ has never been so high. Rock on mate. All the best.

[bogan]

Yet poverty in NZ has never been so high. Rock on mate. All the best.

Cunts need to do some fucking work then don't they.

Lucky for them absolute poverty is still on the decline, they could have been in real trouble were it 50 years ago.

[Brian d marge]

Behold the sparkle of champagne The crime rate's gone Feel free again O' life's a dream with you, Miss Lily White Jane Fonda on the screen today Convinced the liberals it's okay So let's get dressed and dance away the night While they: Kill kill kill kill Kill the poor:Tonight

[Ocean1]

Yet poverty in NZ has never been so high. Rock on mate. All the best.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Maybe if you define "poverty" as "less than 60% of the mean local income"

But you'd have to be a money grubbing socialist fuckwit... Oh, right.

As it happens bogan is perfectly correct, living standards have never been as high, prosperity has never been greater and absolute poverty is less than half what it was just a few years ago.

You've never had less to whine about, but still, you go whine about shit some more, I'm sure it makes you feel better.

[mashman]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

Maybe if you define "poverty" as "less than 60% of the mean local income"

But you'd have to be a money grubbing socialist fuckwit... Oh, right.

As it happens bogan is perfectly correct, living standards have never been as high, prosperity has never been greater and absolute poverty is less than half what it was just a few years ago.

You've never had less to whine about, but still, you go whine about shit some more, I'm sure it makes you feel better.

Not really. But I do know of a way that removes poverty entirely. None so blind as those who believe statistics. Oh and btw, you have to drop your 50% of nz'ers are a net tax drain, that's down to 42%. Positive eh.

[mashman]

Cunts need to do some fucking work then don't they.

Lucky for them absolute poverty is still on the decline, they could have been in real trouble were it 50 years ago.

Not really... only a moron with an entitlement complex the size of Jupiter would believe that theory from nearly 300 years ago still applies today.

So saith the statistics eh :killingme... coz they certainly didn't do a head count, if they had, leaderman wouldn't be saying that they couldn't measure such a thing. You're so easily led.

[Brian d marge]

Not really... only a moron with an entitlement complex the size of Jupiter would believe that theory from nearly 3000 years ago still applies today.

So saith the statistics eh :killingme... coz they certainly didn't do a head count, if they had, leaderman wouldn't be saying that they couldn't measure such a thing. You're so easily led.

fixed it for ya

[Brian d marge]

https://youtu.be/lAin15lq1nQ

The boys aint going to like this ....

whoops

[Ocean1]

Not really.

Yes really. With facts, and numbers and shit.


But I do know of a way that removes poverty entirely.

Work removes poverty.


None so blind as those who believe statistics.

......


Oh and btw, you have to drop your 50% of nz'ers are a net tax drain, that's down to 42%.

:laugh:


Oh and btw, you have to drop your 50% of nz'ers are a net tax drain, that's down to 42%.

Says who?

[mashman]

Yes really. With facts, and numbers and shit.

Work removes poverty.

:laugh:

Says who?

Not facts in the slightest. Best guess.

No it doesn't.

Wow, you might actually have a sense of humour after all.

Says the link I posted and referenced you in and that you responded to a few months ago. I guess that's a confirmation of confirmation bias :laugh:

[bogan]

Not really... only a moron with an entitlement complex the size of Jupiter would believe that theory from nearly 300 years ago still applies today.

So saith the statistics eh :killingme... coz they certainly didn't do a head count, if they had, leaderman wouldn't be saying that they couldn't measure such a thing. You're so easily led.

Yeh, fuck that theory of gravity lark, that'll never stick. How the actual fuck are you trying to make a point by saying a theory is too old to be relevant? :killingme

Yet you keep making the claim it is on the rise. I think you're a just bit grumpy you're unable to be a 'leadermen' with any sort of following.

[Katman]

I think you're a just bit grumpy you're unable to be a 'leadermen' with any sort of following.

Thankfully, we have you at least.

[bogan]

Thankfully, we have you at least.

Yeh, you do seem to follow me around; but it's in a far more stalkerish manner than I think is healthy. Try focusing more on the content than the poster.

[mashman]

Yeh, fuck that theory of gravity lark, that'll never stick. How the actual fuck are you trying to make a point by saying a theory is too old to be relevant? :killingme

Yet you keep making the claim it is on the rise. I think you're a just bit grumpy you're unable to be a 'leadermen' with any sort of following.

Oh a funny. Well done you. I made the point, I wasn't trying. That you didn't understand it ain't my problem. Parable of the Pub, dude.

Ironically I had that leadership conversation with Mrs M earlier. I consider people good enough to lead themselves. Praps you should try understanding before you think... although I highly doubt, given the available evidence, that you are capable of looking past the projection of your own nose.

[bogan]

Oh a funny. Well done you. I made the point, I wasn't trying. That you didn't understand it ain't my problem. Parable of the Pub, dude.

Ironically I had that leadership conversation with Mrs M earlier. I consider people good enough to lead themselves. Praps you should try understanding before you think... although I highly doubt, given the available evidence, that you are capable of looking past the projection of your own nose.

Yet failed to address the counterpoint, an illustration that time does not have any bearing on how relevant a theory is. As usual, when faced with a counterpoint you don't like, you claim others don't understand and revert back to your piss weak point.

Yet you try to lead them, and then make up excuses why they are unable to lead themselves to your point of view. Face reality mashy, the people just think your ideas are shit.

[Katman]

Yet failed to address the counterpoint, an illustration that time does not have any bearing on how relevant a theory is. As usual, when faced with a counterpoint you don't like, you claim others don't understand and revert back to your piss weak point.

Yet you try to lead them, and then make up excuses why they are unable to lead themselves to your point of view. Face reality mashy, the people just think your ideas are shit.

You use lots of words to say fuck all.

[bogan]

You use lots of words to say fuck all.

It probably seems like I'm typing a lot of words since you've been following my posts around for so long, and going over my old postings... Seriously, get a hobbie dude.

[mashman]

Yet failed to address the counterpoint, an illustration that time does not have any bearing on how relevant a theory is. As usual, when faced with a counterpoint you don't like, you claim others don't understand and revert back to your piss weak point.

Yet you try to lead them, and then make up excuses why they are unable to lead themselves to your point of view. Face reality mashy, the people just think your ideas are shit.

And yet science has updated its theories over the years as "new" knowledge is obtained. Why would I respond to that which has demonstrably been proven. I also claim that others do understand, hence when you don't understand and others do, the lack of understanding is entirely yours. Meh.

bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa... if that's what you say is the case, then that must be the case. Unless you misunderstand what I'm conveying that is.

[Ocean1]

Not facts in the slightest. Best guess.

No it doesn't.

Wow, you might actually have a sense of humour after all.

Says the link I posted and referenced you in and that you responded to a few months ago. I guess that's a confirmation of confirmation bias :laugh:

Dude, you're talking shit, it's like: rest of world: "based on multiple sources we see absolute poverty has reduced shitloads in the last decade" VS you: "No it hasn't, 'cause they're just numbers". So you're wrong, again, suck it up and admit it, disagreeing with pretty much every economic and social observer on the planet just makes you look fucking stupid.

Right, right. I forgot, actually producing anything anyone might pay for is utterly impossible. Says every dole bludger, ever.

It's the most charitable response most of us can manage in dealing with fuckwits.

I must have missed it among the veritable deluge of relevant, authoritative and concise references you've posted recently. Show us again.

[mashman]

You use lots of words to say fuck all.

But it makes him feel good. Hyperironically, it's all about him.

[Brian d marge]

Dude, you're talking shit, it's like: rest of world: "based on multiple sources we see absolute poverty has reduced shitloads in the last decade" VS you: "No it hasn't, 'cause they're just numbers". So you're wrong, again, suck it up and admit it, disagreeing with pretty much every economic and social observer on the planet just makes you look fucking stupid.

Right, right. I forgot, actually producing anything anyone might pay for is utterly impossible. Says every dole bludger, ever.

It's the most charitable response most of us can manage in dealing with fuckwits.

I must have missed it among the veritable deluge of relevant, authoritative and concise references you've posted recently. Show us again.

classic .....

[mashman]

Dude, you're talking shit, it's like: rest of world: "based on multiple sources we see absolute poverty has reduced shitloads in the last decade" VS you: "No it hasn't, 'cause they're just numbers". So you're wrong, again, suck it up and admit it, disagreeing with pretty much every economic and social observer on the planet just makes you look fucking stupid.

Right, right. I forgot, actually producing anything anyone might pay for is utterly impossible. Says every dole bludger, ever.

It's the most charitable response most of us can manage in dealing with fuckwits.

I must have missed it among the veritable deluge of relevant, authoritative and concise references you've posted recently. Show us again.

Well, according to one of the most respected NZ statisticians and a statistician, who ironically worked on the motorcycle ACC debacle, they agree that the statistics are indeed best guess and not factual. That and that the data sets need to be prepared before analysis so that they don't break the calculation being used. Love your paraphrasing mind... although they make you look like an ignorant twat

I'm not a dole bludger, so no, not just dole bludgers. And no one said it was impossible. Such a negative bias you have. I'm surprised bogan hasn't chastised you for it... no, wait, I'm not surprised in the slightest. Perhaps once he dribbled you down his chin he'll speak up.

Shows how ill equipped you are to deal with things in general then.

You forgetting proves that you can't assimilate new knowledge. No real surprises there. As such me repeating the process is likely to result in the same outcome. Find it yourself or carry on spouting your usual incorrect facts. I doubt anyone would notice the difference.

[mashman]

classic .....

lollies... I've got some wind you can piss into should you wish.

[bogan]

And yet science has updated its theories over the years as "new" knowledge is obtained. Why would I respond to that which has demonstrably been proven. I also claim that others do understand, hence when you don't understand and others do, the lack of understanding is entirely yours. Meh.

bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa... if that's what you say is the case, then that must be the case. Unless you misunderstand what I'm conveying that is.

Exactly, that's why I suggest you make a point, bring this 'new knowledge' to the conversation so the theories discussed can be updated. Saying shit can change over time, thus proving the shit you want to change must have changed is pretty stupid, even for this thread.

I often doubt if you even know what you are trying to convey most of the time. Because it sure as shit remains unconveyed... But since your delusion requires it, you'll continue to blame the 99% who disagree with you for their disagreement, instead of the 1% who have the dumbarse ideas...

[bogan]

But it makes him feel good. Hyperironically, it's all about him.

The real irony here is it is only you guys that make it all about me. Just look at this last interaction; on his 1st post katman calls me a stupid fuck, not once does he make any effort to discuss the topic at hand. On your second post you refer to me fitting descriptions of moron, self inflated egotistical red rep, and other bullshit; then downhill from there into the evasion of the topic, and instead some beige insults and blame...

You guys just can't handle an objective discussion so always resort to making it all about the person. Grow the fuck up.

[Katman]

Because it sure as shit remains unconveyed...

Your stupidity is not our responsibility.

You stupid fuck.

[bogan]

Your stupidity is not our responsibility.

Likewise your stupidity is not my responsibility. But I will continue to correct you on yours, while you continue to make it all about me with bluster and insults; have a guess at just how well that is working for you :killingme

[Katman]

.....have a guess at just how well that is working for you :killingme

Dude, it's doing nothing for me.

You might want to ask yourself what it's doing for you.

[bogan]

Dude, it's doing nothing for me.

You might want to ask yourself what it's doing for you.

Nothing? The amount of effort you put in suggest it is doing something, yesterday you dredged up post info about me from years ago...

For me, I'm intrigued by how far you guys will go to maintain your delusion; and the speed and transparency with which you go to the personal attack gives me an ego boost as it is an involuntary admission of just how much I outclass you by.

[Katman]

For me, I'm intrigued by how far you guys will go to maintain your delusion; and the speed and transparency with which you go to the personal attack gives me an ego boost as it is an involuntary admission of just how much I outclass you by.

Is that like your ego induced attacks on oldrider?

[bogan]

Is that like your ego induced attacks on oldrider?

And now making shit up to find content to insult me on; thanks for playing :sunny:

[mashman]

Exactly, that's why I suggest you make a point, bring this 'new knowledge' to the conversation so the theories discussed can be updated. Saying shit can change over time, thus proving the shit you want to change must have changed is pretty stupid, even for this thread.

I often doubt if you even know what you are trying to convey most of the time. Because it sure as shit remains unconveyed... But since your delusion requires it, you'll continue to blame the 99% who disagree with you for their disagreement, instead of the 1% who have the dumbarse ideas...

The point is self evident should you choose to see it that way. That you don't is entirely your prerogative. Projecting it onto others don't fly bro.

Delusion? What delusion? That people understand what I say more often than not and that some don't? Parable of the Pub. You just happen to have a cup too full to understand anything from the perspective of the other. Tis why you reframe the debate and assume that which you don't understand as non-understandable. Amusing, but it highlights your inherent self-serving way. You seem to enjoy it though.

[Katman]

And now making shit up to find content to insult me on; thanks for playing :sunny:

Go fuck yourself shitforbrains.

You fool no-one. (Except maybe yourself).

[bogan]

That people understand what I say more often than not and that some don't? Parable of the Pub. You just happen to have a cup too full to understand anything from the perspective of the other. Tis why you reframe the debate and assume that which you don't understand as non-understandable. Amusing, but it highlights your inherent self-serving way. You seem to enjoy it though.

The parable of the pub goes both ways, maybe I do understand you, but you don't understand me. That's why you avoid further discussion on the topic, and instead make it all about me to reframe your uwn lack of understanding and project it onto others. Remember, I'm always up for further rational discussion.

[mashman]

The real irony here is it is only you guys that make it all about me. Just look at this last interaction; on his 1st post katman calls me a stupid fuck, not once does he make any effort to discuss the topic at hand. On your second post you refer to me fitting descriptions of moron, self inflated egotistical red rep, and other bullshit; then downhill from there into the evasion of the topic, and instead some beige insults and blame...

You guys just can't handle an objective discussion so always resort to making it all about the person. Grow the fuck up.

No we don't. We make it about us according to you. Make your mind up. And we're simply responding in kind to your projection... hence you get the mirror and therefore end up fighting against that which you created. We see it. Enjoy that too bro.

bwaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa@objectivity. That requires understanding. Something you have clearly demonstrated that you don't have... moreover you blame others for not conveying it in a way that you can understand it. That others understand what is being conveyed is irrelevant to you as it doesn't suit your narrative. Your projection screams this. It is funny to watch you argue against yourself though.

[bogan]

No we don't. We make it about us according to you.

Maybe you should make it about the topic at hand...

[mashman]

The parable of the pub goes both ways, maybe I do understand you, but you don't understand me. That's why you avoid further discussion on the topic, and instead make it all about me to reframe your uwn lack of understanding and project it onto others. Remember, I'm always up for further rational discussion.

I've never claimed to understand you though. Reframing again... tut tut. But I do actually understand you to a degree, even Ocean, given that I once thought in very much the same terms as both of you. Fortunately I shared many rational discussions with many others who gave me new things to think about. So troll on bro. It suits you.

[mashman]

Maybe you should make it about the topic at hand...

We do. You simply don't accept it as you don't understand our perspective. Pretty self-evident really.

[bogan]

We ...You ... you don't understand our perspective....


I've never claimed to understand you though... I do actually understand you .... I once thought ... Fortunately I shared ... me ... you.

Not even close, but thanks for playing.

[mashman]

Not even close, but thanks for playing.

:killingme@removal of context to make the point of others fit your narrative. Bravo.

[bogan]

:killingme@removal of context to make the point of others fit your narrative. Bravo.

That which was removed illustrated the point. Stop focusing so much on what you think you know and think we don't know, and instead focus on spreading that knowledge (which would be done without the use of 'you' 'I' 'me' 'us' 'we' etc). The idea that you've been where me and Ocean are so have a better understanding of shit than we do is fucking absurd; either show better or don't, the notion that you can simply know better is laughable.

[Ocean1]

Well, according to one of the most respected NZ statisticians and a statistician, who ironically worked on the motorcycle ACC debacle, they agree that the statistics are indeed best guess and not factual. That and that the data sets need to be prepared before analysis so that they don't break the calculation being used. Love your paraphrasing mind... although they make you look like an ignorant twat

I'm not a dole bludger, so no, not just dole bludgers. And no one said it was impossible. Such a negative bias you have. I'm surprised bogan hasn't chastised you for it... no, wait, I'm not surprised in the slightest. Perhaps once he dribbled you down his chin he'll speak up.

Shows how ill equipped you are to deal with things in general then.

You forgetting proves that you can't assimilate new knowledge. No real surprises there. As such me repeating the process is likely to result in the same outcome. Find it yourself or carry on spouting your usual incorrect facts. I doubt anyone would notice the difference.

Reference? 'Cause I'm pretty sure no statistician aver said that numbers weren't facts, sounds more like your illiterate interpretation of something completely different.

Didn't say you were. And I know it's not impossible, like most people I do it every day, it's just workshy fuckwits that deny that work fixes poverty.

Not at all, charity is the least of my attributes, I reserve it for those like you, who are, in fact ill equiped for things in general. God knows you need all the charity you can get.

Failure to back up shit yet again. I'm shocked. :yawn:

[Katman]

The idea that you've been where me and Ocean are......:love:

That's adorable.

:killingme

[mashman]

That which was removed illustrated the point. Stop focusing so much on what you think you know and think we don't know, and instead focus on spreading that knowledge (which would be done without the use of 'you' 'I' 'me' 'us' 'we' etc). The idea that you've been where me and Ocean are so have a better understanding of shit than we do is fucking absurd; either show better or don't, the notion that you can simply know better is laughable.

That's what you went looking for. Not me. I'll spread the knowledge with whoever I choose. I can't help what you can't accept or that which you find incredulous. Tis all down to you.

[mashman]

Reference? 'Cause I'm pretty sure no statistician aver said that numbers weren't facts, sounds more like your illiterate interpretation of something completely different.

Didn't say you were. And I know it's not impossible, like most people I do it every day, it's just workshy fuckwits that deny that work fixes poverty.

Not at all, charity is the least of my attributes, I reserve it for those like you, who are, in fact ill equiped for things in general. God knows you need all the charity you can get.

Failure to back up shit yet again. I'm shocked. :yawn:

It was a couple of conversations that were had. You being pretty sure doesn't change the fact that it was said.

Now it's workshy and not just dole bludgers :killingme. Make yer mind up.

I appreciate that. Save it for someone that needs it though.

Still doesn't change the fact that you commented on it and then forgot it. I have no need to refresh your addled mind.

[Ocean1]

It was a couple of conversations that were had. You being pretty sure doesn't change the fact that it was said.

Now it's workshy and not just dole bludgers :killingme. Make yer mind up.

I appreciate that. Save it for someone that needs it though.

Still doesn't change the fact that you commented on it and then forgot it. I have no need to refresh your addled mind.

More failure to back your shit up. I'm shocked. I'm also absolutely certain that no actual mathematician ever said numbers weren't facts.

As if there was a difference.

As well you should, you've got fuck all else going for you.

And yet more failure to back shit up. Nevermind, you were obviously wrong, again, I'd have def remembered it that wasn't the case.

[mashman]

More failure to back your shit up. I'm shocked. I'm also absolutely certain that no actual mathematician ever said numbers weren't facts.

As if there was a difference.

As well you should, you've got fuck all else going for you.

And yet more failure to back shit up. Nevermind, you were obviously wrong, again, I'd have def remembered it that wasn't the case.

I was talking about the method of deriving those numbers. The FACT that those numbers come with a margin of error should be a give away. That the margin of error isn't always published doesn't mean there isn't one. the conversation with the statistician arose when I queried why I was setting up his calculation data set to exclude some of the data. Be as shocked as you like, but you now have new knowledge to consider... or not as is most likely going to be the case. Your choice entirely.

Awesome comeback bro.

I know. Such a drag being me.

Aha, of course you would have remembered. Best of luck with yer dementia.

[Ocean1]

I was talking about the method of deriving those numbers. The FACT that those numbers come with a margin of error should be a give away. That the margin of error isn't always published doesn't mean there isn't one. the conversation with the statistician arose when I queried why I was setting up his calculation data set to exclude some of the data. Be as shocked as you like, but you now have new knowledge to consider... or not as is most likely going to be the case. Your choice entirely.

Oh OK, it's a FACT that someone has counted all the poor dudes but because he's "DERIVED" the comparison to the number of poor dudes a decade ago by using a description based on mathematically proven statistical methodology it's no longer fact? And this is the "knowledge" upon which you claim you can ignore what the rest of the world accepts as an unambiguous statement of fact is it? :laugh: You never passed school C maths, did you?

So tell me dude, if the number of poor represented the way the rest of the world understands it is half of what it was and the margin of error is 0.5% is it not a FACT that the number of poor is reduced to no more than 50.5% of what it was?

By the way, the rest of the world accepts the fact that since 1980, when the number of poor was 45% of the world's population, it's now dropped to 10%. What difference does you margin of error make there?

[mashman]

Oh OK, it's a FACT that someone has counted all the poor dudes but because he's "DERIVED" the comparison to the number of poor dudes a decade ago by using a description based on mathematically proven statistical methodology it's no longer fact? And this is the "knowledge" upon which you claim you can ignore what the rest of the world accepts as an unambiguous statement of fact is it? :laugh: You never passed school C maths, did you?

So tell me dude, if the number of poor represented the way the rest of the world understands it is half of what it was and the margin of error is 0.5% is it not a FACT that the number of poor is reduced to no more than 50.5% of what it was?

By the way, the rest of the world accepts the fact that since 1980, when the number of poor was 45% of the world's population, it's now dropped to 10%. What difference does you margin of error make there?

If there is a margin of error, there in no fact. Just best guess. The guess may be really really close to the actual number, but it is still best guess. I actually claim bullshit for the reason that the measure is financial and that that financial measure is calculated using GDP and other assorted averages from multiple "cleansed" data sets in order to come up with the number you claim as fact. That people don't actually receive that money is irrelevant. shift the value, claim victory via statistics and pass it on to be consumed by morons. Pretty standard practice. It's a fact that your numbers are manipulated to give the result required and not necessarily represent the actual. The actual being quite important. Anyway, your condition has been diagnosed. Have fun dear.

Earth Endangered by New Strain of Fact-Resistant Humans (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/scientists-earth-endangered-by-new-strain-of-fact-resistant-humans)

[mashman]

Here's a test. Spot the bullshit based on data from NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies. (http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/)

Don't give the game away too quickly :shifty:

[Ocean1]

If there is a margin of error, there in no fact. Just best guess. The guess may be really really close to the actual number, but it is still best guess. I actually claim bullshit for the reason that the measure is financial and that that financial measure is calculated using GDP and other assorted averages from multiple "cleansed" data sets in order to come up with the number you claim as fact. That people don't actually receive that money is irrelevant. shift the value, claim victory via statistics and pass it on to be consumed by morons. Pretty standard practice. It's a fact that your numbers are manipulated to give the result required and not necessarily represent the actual. The actual being quite important. Anyway, your condition has been diagnosed. Have fun dear.

Earth Endangered by New Strain of Fact-Resistant Humans (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/scientists-earth-endangered-by-new-strain-of-fact-resistant-humans)

Right, every financial reporting and social advocacy organisation on the planet with multiple agendas and totally different political objectives is "manipulating" the massively improved poverty data in order to get exactly the same result, so they're wrong and you're right. :rolleyes:

And I'm the fact resistant one. :laugh:

Btw, you can ignore the inconvenient questions, nobody will notice.

[Brian d marge]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161125/247768dd684eda3dcc5dedd5f9b3ab1c.gif



sent for a divine source

[mashman]

I'm the fact resistant one.

Glad you finally acknowledged that :D

[Brian d marge]

Here's a test. Spot the bullshit based on data from NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies. (http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/)

Don't give the game away too quickly :shifty:

Bloomin great site that , full of bloomin great facts a bloomin great site that can be trusted because its from a bloomin reliable sauce.

[Ocean1]

Here's a test. Spot the bullshit based on data from NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies. (http://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/)

Don't give the game away too quickly :shifty:

You mean the statistically correlated data with a margin of error that in no way represents factual information?

Fucking tosser.

[Brian d marge]

You mean the statistically correlated data with a margin of error that in no way represents factual information?

Fucking tosser.
There's me thinking ya got it but as always when ya out of ya depth the obscenities fly , that's a dead giveaway that is

sent for a divine source

[husaberg]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nLhs_F6o_LA/VGYuyPLiavI/AAAAAAAANiQ/xXF9G9I5yj8/s1600/tumblr_ner13owgIS1tsf68ao1_400.gif

[mashman]

You mean the statistically correlated data with a margin of error that in no way represents factual information?

Fucking tosser.

No I don't mean that at all.

Get a haircut.

[mashman]

Bloomin great site that , full of bloomin great facts a bloomin great site that can be trusted because its from a bloomin reliable sauce.

I suspect the source has nothing to do with it given that it's based on NASA's data. Tis slightly more subtle than that and it's hard to see the wood for the lack of trees.

[Brian d marge]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nLhs_F6o_LA/VGYuyPLiavI/AAAAAAAANiQ/xXF9G9I5yj8/s1600/tumblr_ner13owgIS1tsf68ao1_400.gif
Fk off I can't spread me cheeks any further ... Have to give some other poor sod some lovin before u get any

sent for a divine source

[Brian d marge]

I suspect the source has nothing to do with it given that it's based on NASA's data. Tis slightly more subtle than that and it's hard to see the wood for the lack of trees.
Is the data from the same sauce as the photos ..

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

Is the data from the same sauce as the photos ..

sent for a divine source

I doot it as they claim it to be based on the data. I take your point, but the result is claimed to be data based. As such, the outcomes are graphed as per the data. But there be a glaring contradiction in there.

[husaberg]

Fidel Castro dead
Outlasted 9 US presidents

This video is an interesting dichotomy
Daughter of one of NZ'S most successful capitalist shoots a Video in Communist Cuba
Using NZ on air "taxpayers money" no doubt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yCP7FLhqzY

[mashman]

Fuck work. What if jobs are not the solution but the problem (https://aeon.co/essays/what-if-jobs-are-not-the-solution-but-the-problem)... (Good read)... However, simple answer really. The fact resistant ones will try to give you a drastically out of date jolly good telling off.

[oldrider]

Fuck work. What if jobs are not the solution but the problem (https://aeon.co/essays/what-if-jobs-are-not-the-solution-but-the-problem?utm_source=Aeon+Newsletter&utm_campaign=c1f6751914-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2016_11_24&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_411a82e59d-c1f6751914-68629537)... (Good read)... However, simple answer really. The fact resistant ones will try to give you a drastically out of date jolly good telling off.

That is my own situation right now - I created it and worked hard to pay for it all my working years! (personal pension plus National pension)

There are not enough hours in the day to complete all my activities.

And if there were my deteriorating health and diminishing physical capability would prevent me completing every detail on time on budget.

Point of fact:

The only reason for production is - consumption! - If consumers do not have the wherewithal to consume (money and initiative) - production (jobs) is pointless!

[TheDemonLord]

The only reason for production is - consumption! - If consumers do not have the wherewithal to consume (money and initiative) - production (jobs) is pointless!

Show me a living, breathing human who does not need to consume, and I will concede your theory as Valid.

[oldrider]

Show me a living, breathing human who does not need to consume, and I will concede your theory as Valid.

Judging by evidence of this forum I don't believe it is in your nature to concede anything! :rolleyes:

[Brian d marge]

Show me a living, breathing human who does not need to consume, and I will concede your theory as Valid.

wait to u get to my age , mind willin, body might need some life breathed into it ! ...

[TheDemonLord]

Judging by evidence of this forum I don't believe it is in your nature to concede anything! :rolleyes:

Well, when you have something more than half truths, conjecture and circular conspiracy theories...

However - the point I was making in this instance is that to live we need to consume.

Thus your statement:


If consumers do not have the wherewithal to consume (money and initiative) - production (jobs) is pointless!

Proves that jobs are not pointless - as in order to live, we need to consume.

We could argue about how much we need to consume, but since your premise is already refuted - there isn't much point in that, is there?

[Akzle]

Show me a living, breathing human who does not need to consume, and I will concede your theory as Valid.

diference between consumption to live, ie, in harmony with nature and the circle of life, [insert lion king meme]

and the distracto-bullshit petro-plastic disposable consumerism encouraged in the name of jewgolds.
innit

[TheDemonLord]

diference between consumption to live, ie, in harmony with nature and the circle of life, [insert lion king meme]

and the distracto-bullshit petro-plastic disposable consumerism encouraged in the name of jewgolds.
innit

Depends on how you split the difference - consumption is still consumption.

If we are going on Maslows hierarchy - then it might be closer to what you propose, but even that is subject to interpretation (for example to some safety and security includes the right to own firearms, others disagree)

And then we have this version:

http://www.vicchi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/basic-human-need.jpg

Finally - why do you blame the Jewgolds, when it is we, the consumer who want these things?

[Akzle]

Depends on how you split the difference - consumption is still consumption.

If we are going on Maslows hierarchy - then it might be closer to what you propose, but even that is subject to interpretation (for example to some safety and security includes the right to own firearms, others disagree)

except that firearms don't increase safety nor security. they're a tool for a job, or a toy.
the idea that human life is worth anything, the game to accumulate "wealth" or leave a legacy, is fucking stupid. you're born naked and hungry and will die much the same. everything you ever do will fall into the sea one day. (refer sagan?'s small blue dot)
in terms of the heirachy of needs, most men are happy with "cold beer, warm pussy, and somewhere to shit that has a door on" i add "a mattress to die on" (blatantly plagarised)


Finally - why do you blame the Jewgolds, when it is we, the consumer who want these things?

for the last few hundred years (only), jewgold has been the metric of "success", and used by ocean to determine "your value to society" (refer mashy's fuck work link). most sheeple are fucking stupid (refer: you), much like sheep, they're conditioned, and basically farmed, to propogate the system, for the benefit of the farmers. they're harried with "if you love people then buy things"
and ever increasing need for "profit" relies on ever increasing consumption. there's no profit in healthy sheep living peacefully and buying quality shit that will last generations.

war, sickness, and impermanence are the drivers of rape-consumption.

[oldrider]

Finally - why do you blame the Jewgolds, when it is we, the consumer who want these things?

Because (like it or not) they (central banking cartel) hold the control over our means of distribution for production and consumption balance! :blip:

[TheDemonLord]

Because (like it or not) they (central banking cartel) hold the control over our means of distribution for production and consumption balance! :blip:

Do they?

Have they ever forced you to spend money?

It's possible to eschew from the Central banking cartel - problem is that those that do tend not to be very successful. Therein lies the nub of the issue - Money (as a concept) is successful because of the functionality that it provides, it's why we've moved on from those alternative systems.

[Akzle]

Do they?

Have they ever forced you to spend money?

It's possible to eschew from the Central banking cartel - problem is that those that do tend not to be very successful. Therein lies the nub of the issue - Money (as a concept) is successful because of the functionality that it provides, it's why we've moved on from those alternative systems.

and you believe that's the pinnacle of society? indentured servitude?

[mashman]

That is OUR situation right now.
Point of fact:

The only reason for production is - consumption! - If consumers do not have the wherewithal to consume (money and initiative) - production (jobs) is pointless!

Fixed the first bit ;)

If we don't produce some things, then we die... or at the very least create scarcity enough to have us all reaching for our pitch forks. We could job share and get the best of all worlds. No need for money or initiative... although initiative will happen by default. It'd be nice not to have the meritocratic bullshit that goes with it mind, money f'rinstance, coz we may actually bump into peace and sustainability and all that entails.

[TheDemonLord]

except that firearms don't increase safety nor security. they're a tool for a job, or a toy.

I never said they did - only that some people say they do (cough 'Murica! cough).


the idea that human life is worth anything, the game to accumulate "wealth" or leave a legacy, is fucking stupid. you're born naked and hungry and will die much the same. everything you ever do will fall into the sea one day. (refer sagan?'s small blue dot)

but inbetween now and the rising sea is the evolutionary drive to provide the best possible advantage to your offspring to ensure that their DNA (over and above their competitors) is successfully passed on to the next generation.


in terms of the heirachy of needs, most men are happy with "cold beer, warm pussy, and somewhere to shit that has a door on" i add "a mattress to die on" (blatantly plagarised)

Which would all be the bottom tier of the Pyramid - but what about hobbies? Most men have something that they do purely for the element of skill and satisfaction/reward of a successful completion (which would be the top of the Pyramid)



for the last few hundred years (only), jewgold has been the metric of "success", and used by ocean to determine "your value to society" (refer mashy's fuck work link).

Whilst I don't fully agree with Oceans' concept - Money does provide an objective measure that is nearly universally understood and easily comparable. If you compare 2 workers and ask which one is better - the one that picks $30 worth of Cotton an hour is more valuable than the one that picks $10 worth of Cotton an hour.

Where myself and Ocean diverge is that the other worker may contribute to the business (Old White folk Jew Cotton pickers inc.) in other ways that are hard to put a dollar value to (such as innovation morale etc.) and so using it as the sole metric is not giving a full or accurate picture.



most sheeple are fucking stupid (refer: you), much like sheep, they're conditioned, and basically farmed, to propogate the system, for the benefit of the farmers. they're harried with "if you love people then buy things"

This is where Myself and evolutionary biology disagree with you - but I CBF going over this argument again - because it always ends in 'I'm not like that, therefore everyone isn't like that' - despite the growing wealth of information from this field of study.

In short - it is not they are conditioned, its that those who you pro-port to be at the top of the 'system' have effectively found ways to utilize evolutionary drivers.

And I'm cool with that.



and ever increasing need for "profit" relies on ever increasing consumption. there's no profit in healthy sheep living peacefully and buying quality shit that will last generations.

There is, problem is that we as the consumer don't want to pay for it. If you have 2 fridges, one will last 10 years, costs $500, the other will last 40 years (a 'lifetime') and cost $2,000 (so 4 times the price for 4 times the lifespan) - the average consumer will factor in the immediate cost, the lifespan vs functionality and the knowledge that as technology progresses things become obsolete. Thus they will choose the $500 fridge.



war, sickness, and impermanence are the drivers of rape-consumption.

Something Something Evolutionary Biology 101 something.

[TheDemonLord]

and you believe that's the pinnacle of society? indentured servitude?

I judge it by the results it provides.

[TheDemonLord]

It'd be nice not to have the meritocratic bullshit that goes with it mind

I've just quoted this to point it out.

Fuck picking the best people to do something!

Thus was the fall of every single communist regime and Marxist based ideology....

[oldrider]

Do they?

Have they ever forced you to spend money?

It's possible to eschew from the Central banking cartel - problem is that those that do tend not to be very successful. Therein lies the nub of the issue - Money (as a concept) is successful because of the functionality that it provides, it's why we've moved on from those alternative systems.

Straight over your head - they (central banking) are parasitical by nature they profit from the endeavours of others.

I.E. The host benefits not from the parasites existence! :no:

On the other hand - the parasite is totally dependent upon the host. :yes:

[Akzle]

but inbetween now and the rising sea is the evolutionary drive to provide the best possible advantage to your offspring to ensure that their DNA (over and above their competitors) is successfully passed on to the next generation.
which is why the wasteful, planet raping, profit making, air/water/soil polluting, forest/ocean bulldozering, wild animal/fish stocks raping system "works"... right?
...where some people give the species 10 years, but even the most optimistic give it 1000, until we make ourselves extinct.

yup. real fucking good idea to pawn that off on the next generation ſ*



Which would all be the bottom tier of the Pyramid - but what about hobbies? Most men have something that they do purely for the element of skill and satisfaction/reward of a successful completion (which would be the top of the Pyramid)

unless your hobbies include "filling NZ lanfills with chinese plastic, packaging, and useless consumer goods with an expected span of (warranty period+1)" or "fucking the oceans" or "filling the water supply with your own fæces", then no. your argment ſails.
while ANYthing you do will have AN impact, i feel some kind of compunction to minimise it, for the children, like.



Whilst I don't fully agree with Oceans' concept - Money does provide an objective measure that is nearly universally understood and easily comparable. If you compare 2 workers and ask which one is better - the one that picks $30 worth of Cotton an hour is more valuable than the one that picks $10 worth of Cotton an hour. except that's an outmoded model.
to whom is the worth of the cotton? and to whom the profit? and, extending your horseshittery, is the worth of an old white cunt with 40 years of service to the company (who picks cotton slow cos he's old and white) worth less or more than the young uppity nigger, who can pick fast?
and the fuck is the point of knitting 1 billion pairs of hipster jeans each season, just for fashion?

and, further, HOW THE FUCK does the apportion of CEOs', lawyers', politicians' and judges' remuneration reflect anything other than how well they rape?

it is your belief that a lawyer is "worth more to society" than a doctor??


Where myself and Ocean diverge is that the other worker may contribute to the business (Old White folk Jew Cotton pickers inc.) in other ways that are hard to put a dollar value to (such as innovation morale etc.) and so using it as the sole metric is not giving a full or accurate picture.
well if you can't measure it with jewgold it must be worthless <_<



This is where Myself and evolutionary biology disagree with you
except it doesn't exist.


- but I CBF going over this argument again - because it always ends in 'I'm not like that, therefore everyone isn't like that' - despite the growing wealth of information from this field of study.
when, ever, just once, have i ever, ever, said that anyone, but particularly everyone, is at all, in any way, liek me?

ſ


In short - it is not they are conditioned, its that those who you pro-port to be at the top of the 'system' have effectively found ways to utilize evolutionary drivers.

And I'm cool with that.

and we've fairly well established: ſ.



There is, problem is that we as the consumer don't want to pay for it. If you have 2 fridges, one will last 10 years, costs $500, the other will last 40 years (a 'lifetime') and cost $2,000 (so 4 times the price for 4 times the lifespan) - the average consumer will factor in the immediate cost, the lifespan vs functionality and the knowledge that as technology progresses things become obsolete. Thus they will choose the $500 fridge.
i'm sure you feel very clever coming up with analogies like that, but it doesn't help your argument. and since i propose "shit going on" in the absence of jewgold, it's a bit moot my answering in ſrame of reference.

a) would you accept that everyone needs, and ergo should have: food, water, shelter?

b) what the point in manufacturing 500$ fridges, if not for profiteering off the stupid?
surely dear leader should be all liek "no, bitches. dem peeple need a fridge, and we don't need no stinkin fluro carbons, so make your shit better" if the RESOURCES WEREN'T WASTED MANUFACTURING SHIT, there'd be less shit, and more resources, innit?


*ſ = "your a fuckwit"

[TheDemonLord]

Straight over your head - they (central banking) are parasitical by nature they profit from the endeavours of others.

I.E. The host benefits not from the parasites existence! :no:

On the other hand - the parasite is totally dependent upon the host. :yes:

That's one way of looking at it,

Another would be that they are providing a service and are charging accordingly for it.

But we both know you don't like it when people provide services and charge for them, so that does somewhat explain your view.

[TheDemonLord]

somethingsomething *doesn't exist* something.
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Called it....

[Akzle]

That's one way of looking at it,

Another would be that they are providing a service and are charging accordingly for it.

But we both know you don't like it when people provide services and charge for them, so that does somewhat explain your view.

lmfao :killingme

...yeah if you consider buying your own, your nation's, your society's and your children's slavery to be a service.

fokken idjut.

[TheDemonLord]

lmfao :killingme

...yeah if you consider buying your own, your nation's, your society's and your children's slavery to be a service.

fokken idjut.

Suffice to say I disagree.

[Akzle]

Suffice to say I disagree.

called it. refer that third stanza that i had just there.

[TheDemonLord]

called it. refer that third stanza that i had just there.

And that's how you confirm an ideologue....

[Akzle]

And that's how you confirm an ideologue....

science. pleb.

[Ocean1]

jewgold has been the metric of "success", and used by ocean to determine "your value to society"

You're wrong. Again. Money is the measure of your value to your customers. Nothing else.

[Brian d marge]

You're wrong. Again. Currency is the measure of your value to your customers. Nothing else.

And a debt to someone else



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[Ocean1]

I've just quoted this to point it out.

Fuck picking the best people to do something!

Thus was the fall of every single communist regime and Marxist based ideology....

Aye. In a free market the one doing the picking is the one doing the paying.

Which is notable for two reasons, firstly it's fair, (when it's money you earned you should get to decide who to spend it on) and secondly it works, (check the latest standard of living, poverty and prosperity figures).

[Ocean1]

And a debt to someone else



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Stop changing my quotes arsehole.

And yes, the bank's indebted to me.

Your point?

[Brian d marge]

Stop changing my quotes arsehole.

And yes, the bank's indebted to me.

Your point?
Just getting you to post . I needed a good laugh today



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[Akzle]

You're wrong. Again. Money is the measure of your value to your customers. Nothing else.

forest for the trees, old nigger, forest for the trees.

every dollar of "money" you hold, or claim to own, represents debt to teh jews.
they don't even pretend to call it money, it's "legal tender".

[Ocean1]

Suffice to say I disagree.

Doesn't really suffice, though, does it?

It might be sufficient if you weren't paying the cunt for doing fuck all.

[Akzle]

Stop changing my quotes arsehole.

And yes, the bank's indebted to me.

Your point?

no, old nigger. the bank owns you. and the jews own the bank.

[Akzle]

Doesn't really suffice, though, does it?

It might be sufficient if you weren't paying the cunt for doing fuck all.

someone has to be doing fuckall, and being paid for it, or your precious economoney falls apart.

[Ocean1]

Your point?

.............


No point at all, I just had to parade my juvenile ignorance again.



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[Brian d marge]

it's "legal tender".

does it come with fries or potato and gravy? and can I get a large coke ?

[Ocean1]

no, old nigger. the bank owns you. and the jews own the bank.

No son, wrong again, I own a share of the bank.

And I'm somewhat more Scot than anything else.

[Ocean1]

someone has to be doing fuckall, and being paid for it, or your precious economoney falls apart.

Wrong again, in the real world the economy would be completely unaffected by someone doing fuck all.

'Cause he'd starve quietly off in a corner somewhere, no loss to man nor beast.

[Brian d marge]

.............

nice try , but its off to classic fail,com ...

you could have at least hidden it in some pretty words , like ya do with economic theory , ya know , like ya did last time

[Brian d marge]

No son, wrong again, I own a share of the bank.

And I'm somewhat more Scot than anything else.

not one of your best ones , but not a bad one by any measure.

[Ocean1]

not one of your best ones , but not a bad one by any measure.

And correct. Don't forget correct.

[mashman]

No son, wrong again, I own a share of the bank.

And I'm somewhat more Scot than anything else.

You sound like the brother of John Law. I say brother, coz your economic theory stems from the same era.

[mashman]

no, old nigger. the bank owns you. and the jews own the bank.

He is fact resistant.

[Brian d marge]

And correct. Don't forget correct.
Would that a secured correct or an unsecured correct

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161128/80b86099f45acf1c736682fe624d53bc.gif

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[husaberg]

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/63456376.jpg

[Akzle]

No son, wrong again, I own a share of the bank.

... the title to which you "purchased" for the consideration of..... (hint: legal tender)

which brings us squarely back to: you don't own shit, except for someone else's (and your own) debt. and you seem to love it.


Wrong again, in the real world the economy would be completely unaffected by someone doing fuck all.

well. no. and i'm surprised this should need explaining to you, since you BBAAAAWWWWWW about it so much, but there needs to be unemployed or the labour market is saturated and then you have to BBBAAAWWWWWWWWW cos otherwise jews.

[Brian d marge]

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/63456376.jpg
Hippiedom another cia ,Soros collaboration


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[Ocean1]

... the title to which you "purchased" for the consideration of..... (hint: legal tender)

which brings us squarely back to: you don't own shit, except for someone else's (and your own) debt. and you seem to love it.



well. no. and i'm surprised this should need explaining to you, since you BBAAAAWWWWWW about it so much, but there needs to be unemployed or the labour market is saturated and then you have to BBBAAAWWWWWWWWW cos otherwise jews.

Leme see now, the fact I got dollars means I owe the bank. Or someone. That, or you're full of shit, dude.

And no, the economy really really don't give a shit for non productive losers, I promise, if most of 'em dropped dead tomorrow it'd do nothing but thrive.

[Brian d marge]

Leme see now, the fact I got dollars means I owe the bank. Or someone. That, or you're full of shit, dude.

And no, the economy really really don't give a shit for non productive losers, I promise, if most of 'em dropped dead tomorrow it'd do nothing but thrive.
All ya got to do is look ....

All ya got to do is look....http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161128/1fd54ce6afdba3c90f90d6eaccd3565c.gif

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[Akzle]

Leme see now, the fact I got dollars means I owe the bank. Or someone. That, or you're full of shit, dude.

And no, the economy really really don't give a shit for non productive losers, I promise, if most of 'em dropped dead tomorrow it'd do nothing but thrive.

you... just... fail. to grasp. again and again. your little world of delusion must be thoroughly entertaining. fact-resistant? more like fact-incompatible. factophobic, or, y'know, just fucken stupid.

[husaberg]

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/2015-03/13/9/enhanced/webdr04/enhanced-29629-1426252738-18.jpghttp://forums.pelicanparts.com/uploads14/cartmanhippies1227552937.jpg

[Ocean1]

you... just... fail. to grasp. again and again. your little world of delusion must be thoroughly entertaining. fact-resistant? more like fact-incompatible. factophobic, or, y'know, just fucken stupid.

All I'm failing to grasp, here is how a workshy arsehole can take money earned by someone else and still think he has any sort of opinion anyone might want to hear.

The bit where I really do own shit, am beholdin' to no bank whatsoever and otherwise benefit from earning more than I spend I got already, thanks. It's the basis of every successful economic enterprise, which should be obvious insomuch as it's the polar opposite of the observable detrimental effect of parasites like you.

Now why don't you fuck off and earn your keep, boy, just for a change.

[Brian d marge]

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100% pure

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[mashman]

All I'm failing to grasp

http://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/MjAxMy03NWY2MjhkYzEwM2M4NzFk_50ffbd4887513.png

[husaberg]

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[Akzle]

All I'm failing to grasp,

no it really isn't,
because, asides from the irrelevance of the rest of your waffle (of which there is no shortage), and anything else, you've failed to grasp that legal tender is loaned to governments at interest.

[husaberg]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01462/200808-dolestreet_1462055c.jpg
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/59/84/b6/5984b6bb9ebf5c8f5400f5683772a790.jpg

[Brian d marge]

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/01462/200808-dolestreet_1462055c.jpg
I wish ...
Maybe when I retire.....

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[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w7CrxLj36I

[Ocean1]

no it really isn't,
because, asides from the irrelevance of the rest of your waffle (of which there is no shortage), and anything else, you've failed to grasp that legal tender is loaned to governments at interest.

Which entity, exactly, made that tender "legal"?

And as a mater of interest how about you give me the cost of that "loan", dude.

Not that it's even slightly relevant where the vast majority of transactions don't in fact involve legal tender. Or would be if that were the case.

So much as you'd like to dismiss it as irrelevant, that waffle really is the goods, dude. And the whole premise whereby some fuckwits figure they don't have to produce shit in order to gain money that they don't agree is worth shit really is full of shit.

But, then, it ain't actually that difficult to spot anyone accepting money someone else earned while simultaneously attempting to pretend that it's not really any sort of token of value as a parasite AND a hypocrite. Eh son?

[Brian d marge]

Which entity, exactly, made that tender "legal"?

And as a mater of interest how about you give me the cost of that "loan", dude.

Not that it's even slightly relevant where the vast majority of transactions don't in fact involve legal tender. Or would be if that were the case.

So much as you'd like to dismiss it as irrelevant, that waffle really is the goods, dude. And the whole premise whereby some fuckwits figure they don't have to produce shit in order to gain money that they don't agree is worth shit really is full of shit.

But, then, it ain't actually that difficult to spot anyone accepting money someone else earned while simultaneously attempting to pretend that it's not really any sort of token of value as a parasite AND a hypocrite. Eh son?
Let's take this one step at a time

Q , Where does currency come from?




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[husaberg]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/23363695.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS17LKRk0h8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEaAmUDEiGo

[Brian d marge]

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/23363695.jpg
There is, or was a society who used the distance between rocks as a value placed on goods

Don't quote , tis from memory

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[husaberg]

There is, or was a society who used the distance between rocks as a value placed on goods

Don't quote , tis from memory

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yap
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[Brian d marge]

And it took an Irish man to introduce inflation to the yappers

[emoji12]



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[husaberg]

http://static.wixstatic.com/media/19c48e_097e4492b963470690a63f0d3d6ca617.jpg

[Ocean1]

Let's take this one step at a time

Q , Where does currency come from?




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A: anyone who will honour their promissory note.

And yes, I know they won't actually exchange it for gold anymore.

And yes, I know Breton Woods was the end of your world.

But, see, out here in the real one; a dollar is simply a marker for a unit of value, nothing more, nothing less, and definitely not a conspiracy to defraud fuckwits of anything they may or may not deserve.

All clear now?

[oldrider]

But we both know you don't like it when people provide services and charge for them, so that does somewhat explain your view.

That remark could not be further from the truth FFS - what on earth do you base that on? :scratch:

[Katman]

- what on earth do you base that on? :scratch:

His autism.

[Brian d marge]

A: anyone who will honour their promissory note.

And yes, I know they won't actually exchange it for gold anymore.

And yes, I know Breton Woods was the end of your world.

But, see, out here in the real one; a dollar is simply a marker for a unit of value, nothing more, nothing less, and definitely not a conspiracy to defraud fuckwits of anything they may or may not deserve.

All clear now?

Yes you are right , but you actually havent said anything

promissory note , yes you can discharge debt using this technique , Student loans , gone in a bit of blue ink ....

try it , see how you go !

bretton woods has got what to do with the question of where currency comes from exactly ?

and currency , in this case the dollar does indeed become a marker of value , debt ,

the question still is there and will not go away , because you havent answered it
326529This note is legal tender for all debts public and private

printed very clearly on the note ......

so round 2;.
where does currency come from ?

[Akzle]

......

so round 2;.
where does currency come from ?

http://i.imgur.com/hpBNO.jpg

Ooh ooh ooh, pick me!

.."a bank fairy's bumbum" teehee.

[mashman]

Q , Where does currency come from?

Notes or coins ;)

[Ocean1]

Yes you are right , but you actually havent said anything

promissory note , yes you can discharge debt using this technique , Student loans , gone in a bit of blue ink ....

try it , see how you go !

bretton woods has got what to do with the question of where currency comes from exactly ?

and currency , in this case the dollar does indeed become a marker of value , debt ,

the question still is there and will not go away , because you havent answered it
326529This note is legal tender for all debts public and private

printed very clearly on the note ......

so round 2;.
where does currency come from ?

Are you saying you can't discharge a student loan by paying it down in cash?

It's your everyday argument against everything economic: They fucked up at Breton Woods.

Yes I know, that's what I said.

And the answer is perfectly valid: anyone who will honour their promissory note.

[Akzle]

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And the answer is perfectly valid: anyone who will honour their promissory note.

ja hae. but what's the promise eh?

it's a promise to pay. it's not actually payment, ehh.

you tender a promise to pay, backed by quini's signature, ehh.

why don't you just pay, ehh. isnt there any money?

[TheDemonLord]

That remark could not be further from the truth FFS - what on earth do you base that on? :scratch:

Your dislike of Bankers (who provide a service and charge for it) for a start.

[oldrider]

Your dislike of Bankers (who provide a service and charge for it) for a start.

I do not dislike bankers I dislike what they currently do that they should not! :spanking:

Bankers generally are very efficient but they charge and control more than they should because we (the electorate at large) gave them permission to do that!

The bankers create and lend new credit as an interest bearing debt and lend it back to our governments as if it was their own!

That is an unnecessary service and charge! - the bankers didn't even steal this right, our stupid politicians in their ignorance gave the privilege to them FFS! :facepalm:

This needs to be taken back from the bankers control and reinstated with the government for the people by the people but our governments are afraid to do it!

[Brian d marge]

Are you saying you can't discharge a student loan by paying it down in cash?

It's your everyday argument against everything economic: They fucked up at Breton Woods.

Yes I know, that's what I said.

And the answer is perfectly valid: anyone who will honour their promissory note.

Do you even know what a promissory note is?

Cash is just one manifestation

Breton woods has nothing to do with where currency comes from , it was agreed at Yalta . But planned long before, but has nothing to do with currency creation

And as I said try paying ur student loan with a promissory note ..cash if you like , but the question still remains,
.

Where did that cash come from

Round 3 .

Beginning to think that you actually don't have a friggen clue ....


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[Brian d marge]

I do not dislike bankers I dislike what they currently do that they should not! :spanking:

Bankers generally are very efficient but they charge and control more than they should because we (the electorate at large) gave them permission to do that!

The bankers create and lend new credit as an interest bearing debt and lend it back to our governments as if it was their own!

That is an unnecessary service and charge! - the bankers didn't even steal this right, our stupid politicians in their ignorance gave the privilege to them FFS! :facepalm:

This needs to be taken back from the bankers control and reinstated with the government for the people by the people but our governments are afraid to do it!
3 people I know of have tried to do that , wrestle control of the currency back from the bank

All three had a massive headache

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[Akzle]

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Beginning to think that you actually don't have a friggen clue ....



*beginning*?? your a bit fucken slow mate...

[Akzle]

3 people I know of have tried to do that , wrestle control of the currency back from the bank

All three had a massive headache

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6.5mm headache ehh

[Brian d marge]

*beginning*?? your a bit fucken slow mate...

I'm not noted for me agility ...:bleh:

[TheDemonLord]

I do not dislike bankers I dislike what they currently do that they should not! :spanking:

That they should not do, however - is your opinion.


Bankers generally are very efficient but they charge and control more than they should because we (the electorate at large) gave them permission to do that!

Who are you to say what they should and shouldn't charge? - remembering I made the observation that you don't seem to like people charging for their services - and here you are (as part of your refutation of this) complaining about what they are charging for their services.

The charge that they are able to levy is directly relational to the value, functionality and efficiency that they provide to us the electorate.

In short - we give them permissions because currently they are the best system that works for us.


The bankers create and lend new credit as an interest bearing debt and lend it back to our governments as if it was their own!

Which helps with Money velocity, improves the growth of the economy, encourages investment and speculation and also helps you and I pay for the things that we wish to own.


That is an unnecessary service and charge! - the bankers didn't even steal this right, our stupid politicians in their ignorance gave the privilege to them FFS! :facepalm:

Again - in your opinion, I contend that this method of operation has been beneficial both to the end user and the Banks - sure there have been hiccups along the way (not saying the system is 100% perfect and will never say that) but overall it is a fairly resilient system that provides us (the end user) with the functionality that we require.


This needs to be taken back from the bankers control and reinstated with the government for the people by the people but our governments are afraid to do it!

Only if you accept your premises (which I don't) - and besides - if you want to take the power back, it's simple:

Create a better system that will work in the real world and with real people.

Unfortunately its that last caveat that all the alternative systems and theories fail miserably at - namely they are all based on Marxist principles which are wonderful in theory - except for the fact that it doesn't work with Humans.

[Katman]

The charge that they are able to levy is directly relational to the value, functionality and efficiency that they provide to us the electorate.

You're incredibly naive, aren't you?

[TheDemonLord]

You're incredibly naive, aren't you?

Simple thought experiment - if we could get the same level of functionality and efficiency without the banks - we wouldn't use them.

The only one being incredibly naive is you - flip your argument on its head:

"Why do IT techs get to charge the exorbitant rates they do, anyone can go on Google and do it themselves"
"Why do Mechanics get to charge the hourly rate? How hard is it to pick up a Spanner and a Haynes manual"

However - the reality is that a Mechanic or IT tech is able to perform functions faster, with a greater degree of accuracy - they provide functionality that they are able to charge a market rate for. The Market rate is a reflective indicator of the value of these services to the end user and also the degree of complexity of the skill.

[Katman]

"Why do Mechanics get to charge the hourly rate? How hard is it to pick up a Spanner and a Haynes manual"

You probably shouldn't go there.

I mean, how hard can it be to take a wheel out and fit it back on your bike, right?

[TheDemonLord]

You probably shouldn't go there.

Just like you probably should talk about Banking and Economics and Monetary theory then aye.....

[Katman]

Just like you probably should talk about Banking and Economics and Monetary theory then aye.....

Just like you should probably proof read your posts before hitting Submit Reply if you're trying to make a point.

[TheDemonLord]

Just like you should probably proof read your posts before hitting Submit Reply if you're trying to make a point.

Well, it's a funny typo - and I'll leave it as is (as you always have a cry when Husaberg or Bogan edits a post).

[Brian d marge]

There are 2 types of systems benevolent and malevolent . one is based on surplus , the other debt .

it is simple really

[mashman]

There are 2 types of systems benevolent and malevolent . one is based on surplus , the other debt .

it is simple really

Do they both involve te monies?

[Brian d marge]

Do they both involve te monies?
No they were a sect created my the rev moon [emoji12]



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[Ocean1]

Do you even know what a promissory note is?

Cash is just one manifestation

Breton woods has nothing to do with where currency comes from , it was agreed at Yalta . But planned long before, but has nothing to do with currency creation

And as I said try paying ur student loan with a promissory note ..cash if you like , but the question still remains,
.

Where did that cash come from

Round 3 .

Beginning to think that you actually don't have a friggen clue ....


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Yes.

I know.

Then why do you bleat about it every chance you get? And a bunch you don't.

Anyone reliably honouring their promissory note.


Look, dude, I know you equate money with debt, and you don't like debt.

And as I've said a few times before the answer's simple: Don't fucking borrow money.

Problem solved.

In the meantime the rest of us will continue to use it for what it's designed for: a unit of value useful in exchanging for shit we want and for saving against hard times.

Neither of which anyone not using it will be doing.

So run along like a good wee fiscal rebel and let everyone else mind their own fucking business, eh?

[Brian d marge]

Just answer the question

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[oldrider]

That they should not do, however - is your opinion.

Who are you to say what they should and shouldn't charge? - remembering I made the observation that you don't seem to like people charging for their services - and here you are (as part of your refutation of this) complaining about what they are charging for their services.

The charge that they are able to levy is directly relational to the value, functionality and efficiency that they provide to us the electorate.

In short - we give them permissions because currently they are the best system that works for us.

All of that tells me that you have no idea about the subject and it is a waste of time keyboard pissing with you - carry on - as you were! :whistle:

Which helps with Money velocity, improves the growth of the economy, encourages investment and speculation and also helps you and I pay for the things that we wish to own.

Again - in your opinion, I contend that this method of operation has been beneficial both to the end user and the Banks - sure there have been hiccups along the way (not saying the system is 100% perfect and will never say that) but overall it is a fairly resilient system that provides us (the end user) with the functionality that we require.

Only if you accept your premises (which I don't) - and besides - if you want to take the power back, it's simple:

Create a better system that will work in the real world and with real people.

Unfortunately its that last caveat that all the alternative systems and theories fail miserably at - namely they are all based on Marxist principles which are wonderful in theory - except for the fact that it doesn't work with Humans.

All of that tells me that you have no real idea about vagaries of the banking system but of course in that you are not alone! :stupid:

[Ocean1]

Just answer the question

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I have. Three times.

If you don't like that answer then ask a different question.

Or not. I really don't give a fuck.

[Brian d marge]

I have. Three times.

If you don't like that answer then ask a different question.

Or not. I really don't give a fuck.
No you have avoided answering the question
4 times now

Q. Where does currency come from

That bit of paper in ya pocket ...where doesth thou cometh from

All the blustering and a hollorin and now amount of toys emanating from cot , won't make it go away

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[bogan]

Maybe these numbskulls need an example as to how to provide effective discourse, I shall devil's advocate...


The charge that they are able to levy is directly relational to the value, functionality and efficiency that they provide to us the electorate.

In short - we give them permissions because currently they are the best system that works for us.



Which helps with Money velocity, improves the growth of the economy, encourages investment and speculation and also helps you and I pay for the things that we wish to own.



Again - in your opinion, I contend that this method of operation has been beneficial both to the end user and the Banks - sure there have been hiccups along the way (not saying the system is 100% perfect and will never say that) but overall it is a fairly resilient system that provides us (the end user) with the functionality that we require.



Only if you accept your premises (which I don't) - and besides - if you want to take the power back, it's simple:

Create a better system that will work in the real world and with real people.

Unfortunately its that last caveat that all the alternative systems and theories fail miserably at - namely they are all based on Marxist principles which are wonderful in theory - except for the fact that it doesn't work with Humans.

They are also able to charge what the market will bear, given the size of such institutions and slow moving customer base, coupled with their ability to absorb short term losses (when they need to force out new competition) they can create an effective monopolistic long term situation.

It only helps those things until it gets a bit carried away, then causes a market crash in which many people experience great financial hardship, predominantly those in the middle to lower economic scale.

But now the debt/lending is not rigidly coupled to their assets, no other options can compete with that method of operation. The money market volatility is not the functionality we require, it is simply what we get.

Traditional market performance and dynamics start to fall apart in this area due to leverage ambiguity in lending, and the aforementioned size and resilience of established banks. Or to put it another way, if you had to chose between the current system, and one in which banks could only lend out what they had in assets (or a govt mandated multiple thereof), which would you choose?

[oldrider]

Maybe these numbskulls need an example as to how to provide effective discourse, I shall devil's advocate...



They are also able to charge what the market will bear, given the size of such institutions and slow moving customer base, coupled with their ability to absorb short term losses (when they need to force out new competition) they can create an effective monopolistic long term situation.

It only helps those things until it gets a bit carried away, then causes a market crash in which many people experience great financial hardship, predominantly those in the middle to lower economic scale.

But now the debt/lending is not rigidly coupled to their assets, no other options can compete with that method of operation. The money market volatility is not the functionality we require, it is simply what we get.

Traditional market performance and dynamics start to fall apart in this area due to leverage ambiguity in lending, and the aforementioned size and resilience of established banks. Or to put it another way, if you had to chose between the current system, and one in which banks could only lend out what they had in assets (or a govt mandated multiple thereof), which would you choose?

All of that tells me that you have no real idea about vagaries of the banking system but of course in that you are not alone! :stupid:

[bogan]

All of that tells me that you have no real idea about vagaries of the banking system but of course in that you are not alone! :stupid:

Not sure if you understood that, or just went all frothy at the mouth after seeing who posted it... But that post was actually in agreement with yours, so to say it has no real idea, and is not alone is pretty fucking funny actually :laugh:

[oldrider]

Not sure if you understood that, or just went all frothy at the mouth after seeing who posted it... But that post was actually in agreement with yours, so to say it has no real idea, and is not alone is pretty fucking funny actually :laugh:

Simply acknowledging your instant red attack - laugh :laugh: and the world laughs with (or at in your case) you silly insignificant person! :mellow:

[bogan]

Simply acknowledging your instant red attack - laugh :laugh: and the world laughs with (or at in your case) you silly insignificant person! :mellow:

Right, frothy at the mouth it is; thus entirely justifying said red comments (which were simply that you should make an effort to discuss the topic when demon clearly is attempting to do so, rather than just saying you know more than he).

[mashman]

No they were a sect created my the rev moon [emoji12]



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Is he related to bank i.

[mashman]

Right, frothy at the mouth it is; thus entirely justifying said red comments (which were simply that you should make an effort to discuss the topic when demon clearly is attempting to do so, rather than just saying you know more than he).

doesn't the :stupid: thing mean that he was including himself. Or are you a bit too frothy in the groin to notice? Perhaps your bias at seeing who the poster was got in the way. Maybe your cognitive dissonance. Maybe you didn't understand. Hmmmmmm... so many decisions. But as you're well known for your projection, in this case I'm going to have to go with



after seeing who posted it

[Brian d marge]

Is he related to bank i.
I reckon
They had a very musical son called Keith...

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[mashman]

I reckon
They had a very music son called Keith...

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I guess banging those kinda drums they would.

[Katman]

I reckon
They had a very musical son called Keith...

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Don't be silly.

Drummers don't make music - they make noise in time with the music.

[TheDemonLord]

Don't be silly.

Drummers don't make music - they make noise in time with the music.

Terry Bozzio would disagree

[mashman]

Government announces new parliament buildings (http://www.newshub.co.nz/politics/government-announces-new-parliament-buildings-2016112811)... lollies

[mashman]

Cost of clean New Zealand air: Up to $141 a bottle in China (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11757991)

[Brian d marge]

Cost of clean New Zealand air: Up to $141 a bottle in China (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11757991)
Show how much the nz dollar buys hahaha

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[Akzle]

Cost of clean New Zealand air: Up to $141 a bottle in China (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11757991)

are you SURE you wouldn't like a lorax with that?

[Akzle]

and whaddaya thinks gunna happen once we've shipped (polluting air in the process, unless this shits delivered by yacht) all our clean air for the fucken nips to sip, huh? WHAT THEN? tell me ocean!

[mashman]

Show how much the nz dollar buys hahaha

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But it's better than Canadian air :killingme


are you SURE you wouldn't like a lorax with that?

O'hare air air air air air air

[TheDemonLord]

are you SURE you wouldn't like a lorax with that?

I was thinking more along the lines of Space Balls

[Brian d marge]

I wonder how much air we would have to ship in order to fill up china ?

:eek5:

[Brian d marge]

The world is on the verge of WW3

half of the European banks are collapsing , NZ housing bubble is stratospheric

but in Oamaru , a goat is ( was) on the loose ...

Radio NZ hard hitting news, all the time and in ya face

not

[Akzle]

and yet ocean is studiously silent about such an awesome idea as selling air, cos economoney.

[bogan]

and yet ocean is studiously silent about such an awesome idea as selling air, cos economoney.

He could be at work, cos economoney...

And is selling air really all that different from selling water anyway?

[Akzle]

He could be at work, cos economoney...

And is selling air really all that different from selling water anyway?

is that you mr. nestlé?

[Katman]

And is selling air really all that different from selling water anyway?

You really know how to walk right into things, don't you?

[bogan]

is that you mr. nestlé?


You really know how to walk right into things, don't you?

So, are there likely to be any accompanying points with that? or it is just Stupid Worldering continued as normal...

[Katman]

So, are there likely to be any accompanying points with that? or it is just Stupid Worldering continued as normal...

Perhaps you can do a little digging of your own into the ethics of Nestle.

Or....you could remain an ignorant fucking moron.

Your choice.