Stupid World

[R650R]

Just looking at YouTube while putting off cleaning the bike and I came across something worthy of mention here. The clip is quite long but the premise is simple. A guy went to McDonalds and subsequently complained about his chips being cold. An argument ensuesdbut the owner of McD's and the customer both called the cops. Turns out the customer was a wanted murder suspect. Guess he needed to learn about priorities?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bSdesspko8&t=601s

That happens a lot in NZ too shows the lack of intelligence of your average felon. Watch his mood change when backup cops quietly arrive, surprisingly he’s smart enough to realise why they are here.
Good example of why cops need to be armed 24/7. Imagine a kiwi cop trying to get gun out of locker when you see how fast someone’s mood can change.

[Viking01]

9/11 anniversary again. Gosh, 21 years have passed. Doesn't time fly when you're busy invading various countries and wrecking economies ?

While it will be a TL/DR article for many, it's still an interesting visit back to some relevant past - and an explanation of some current global madness.

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/09/michael-hudson-on-student-debt-relief-inflation-ukraine-disaster-capitalism-petrodollar-challenge.html

[R650R]

In the age of preferred pronouns and identifying as what you want the moral outrage here at some under privelidged folk calling themselves what they want is beautiful in its irony.

At least the chief censors office is not corrupted yet and says they can call themselves what they like.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/129834059/the-police-an-offensive-flag-and-a-new-gang-chapters-racially-charged-name

[Berries]

9/11 anniversary again. Gosh, 21 years have passed. Doesn't time fly when you're busy invading various countries and wrecking economies ?
Does not seem that long ago and yet I have not invaded anyone.

[mashman]

9/11 anniversary again. Gosh, 21 years have passed. Doesn't time fly when you're busy invading various countries and wrecking economies ?

While it will be a TL/DR article for many, it's still an interesting visit back to some relevant past - and an explanation of some current global madness.

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2022/09/michael-hudson-on-student-debt-relief-inflation-ukraine-disaster-capitalism-petrodollar-challenge.html

Fiddling with 'Rome' burning. Cake, bread, circuses and a dollop of work ethic... plus there's always another form of tragedy just around the corner, yay. Are we not entertained.

[husaberg]

Fiddling with 'Rome' burning. Cake, bread, circuses and a dollop of work ethic... plus there's always another form of tragedy just around the corner, yay. Are we not entertained.

odd that you tried unsucessfully to run to be one of those senators a while back........:weird:

[R650R]

More modern woke engineering failure. Laminated timber products are great but they have their time and place where they work. Btw thumbnail is not click bait Photoshop it’s the actual collapse, one of three and counting....


https://youtu.be/FSPI0xkTifI

[pritch]

[QUOTE=R650R;1131206422]More modern woke engineering failure. Laminated timber products are great but they have their time and place where they work. Btw thumbnail is not click bait Photoshop it’s the actual collapse, one of three and counting....


I see the word "woke" and tend to think we've found an idiot. There are a lot of them about. Woke engineering though? That's a new one. Please explain.
Woke is not quite as bad as "Soros" though. When I see that I know we have found an idiot.

[TheDemonLord]

I see the word "woke" and tend to think we've found an idiot.

Oh, I definitely Agree.... Just not in the way you meant it...


There are a lot of them about. Woke engineering though? That's a new one. Please explain.

This (https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctt6wq5pf)

Or This (https://www.researchgate.net/publication/293568489_Social_Justice_and_the_Engineering_Profe ssion_Challenging_Engineering_Education_to_Move_Be yond_the_Technical)

Or This (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK538716/)

Or This (https://engineering.berkeley.edu/news/2014/05/engineering-social-justice/)

I think I've made the point (https://cusp.nyu.edu/past-events/engineering-and-social-justice-what-is-it-what-is-it-not-and-what-does-it-look-like-in-practice-with-caroline-baillie-university-of-san-diego/)

To sum up:

It accepts the Social Justice/Woke presuppositions and applies them to the field of Engineering:

Engineering seeks to maintain the status-quo by solidifying the power structures (That's from Gramscii and his theory of Cultural Hegemony), in doing so it perpetuates an Oppressor and Oppressed state, particularly focused on Marginalized groups (That's from your Paulo Freiri and his Pedagogy of the Oppressed) and that Engineering works are not neutral or functional, but that they are expressly political (That's from Carol Hanisch - the Personal is Political).

Of course there's other stuff like the Critical Race theorists, Everything was stolen from the Minorities, Something Something Colonization Something, Feminist Swedish Snow Plowing (No, I'm being serious - and that resulted in people dying). And perhaps the most amusing (and depressing) of all: the undermining of Western canon of Science


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9SiRNibD14


And oh Look, the same is happening in NZ... (https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/te-manu-korihi/447898/university-academics-claim-matauranga-maori-not-science-sparks-controversy)

[R650R]

[QUOTE=R650R;1131206422]More modern woke engineering failure. Laminated timber products are great but they have their time and place where they work. Btw thumbnail is not click bait Photoshop it’s the actual collapse, one of three and counting....


I see the word "woke" and tend to think we've found an idiot. There are a lot of them about. Woke engineering though? That's a new one. Please explain.
Woke is not quite as bad as "Soros" though. When I see that I know we have found an idiot.

Just for clarity, woke is what “they” called themselves to start with when the political correctness movement got out of control.
So “ they” that are woke or those who make political, policy, employment, design, eligibility criteria, rewards or other decisions based on one or any of;
Gender identities
Social justice issues
Perceived climate issues
Environmentalism
Instead of basing their decisions on science, hard data, reality, results.

Btw Soris is more into burning bridges rather than building any faulty or not. And that’s hard to dulispute when you look the mega dollars funded into colour revolutions and other operations.

[george formby]

Keep the missus away from PETA, y'know, the vegan organisation named after kebab bread.

"No sex for men who bbq....." (https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/300694966/ban-meateating-men-from-sex-animal-rights-group-urges) No sausage for you, either.:oi-grr:

[sugilite]

Keep the missus away from PETA, y'know, the vegan organisation named after kebab bread.

"No sex for men who bbq....." (https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/300694966/ban-meateating-men-from-sex-animal-rights-group-urges) No sausage for you, either.:oi-grr:

Apparently eating meat is all good for vegans, as long as it is a human nose.
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/vegan-boss-doug-ramsey-bit-off-tip-of-mans-nose-and-threatens-to-kill-him-in-parking-lot-brawl/news-story/8128aa1cf7f8d5529d1786383442f0ec

[R650R]

Keep the missus away from PETA, y'know, the vegan organisation named after kebab bread.

"No sex for men who bbq....." (https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/300694966/ban-meateating-men-from-sex-animal-rights-group-urges) No sausage for you, either.:oi-grr:

I think this is brilliant, vegans want to stop reproducing along with The feminists. And it’s hilarious that’s these animal rights types who are so up with the play on species extinction don’t see the endgame of this.

[R650R]

Eco-terrorists drilling truck tyres... how long til we have nutters here doing this rubbish.
Law of averages though sooner or later one will find a sidewalk failure waiting to do a zipper blowout.

120psi beats bones flesh and skull every time...


https://youtu.be/QU3ztQw2ETs

[sugilite]

Eco-terrorists drilling truck tyres... how long til we have nutters here doing this rubbish.
Law of averages though sooner or later one will find a sidewalk failure waiting to do a zipper blowout.

120psi beats bones flesh and skull every time...


https://youtu.be/QU3ztQw2ETs

Not to mention it puts another truck tyre straight into the dump much earlier than it would of otherwise - eco dickheads :facepalm:

[TheDemonLord]

Not to mention it puts another truck tyre straight into the dump much earlier than it would of otherwise - eco dickheads :facepalm:

That's when you realise it's not about Saving the Planet... It's about Revolution.

[Viking01]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-zealand-prime-minister-calls-global-censorship-system

[husaberg]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/new-zealand-prime-minister-calls-global-censorship-system

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-15/us-accuses-financial-website-of-spreading-russian-propaganda
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2022/03/01/us-links-zero-hedge-russia-propaganda/6926397001/?gnt-cfr=1

U.S. intelligence officials accuse your source of spreading Russian propaganda


The officials said Zero Hedge, which has 1.2 million Twitter followers, published articles created by Moscow-controlled media that were then shared by outlets and people unaware of their nexus to Russian intelligence

Isn't it miraculously odd that it always lands with you posting Russian propaganda........

[Viking01]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-02-15/us-accuses-financial-website-of-spreading-russian-propaganda
https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2022/03/01/us-links-zero-hedge-russia-propaganda/6926397001/?gnt-cfr=1

U.S. intelligence officials accuse your source of spreading Russian propaganda

Isn't it miraculously odd that it always lands with you posting Russian propaganda........

Evening.
Thanks for the reply. Made my day. I'm not sure which part of it I enjoyed the most :

(i) That I should take Bloomberg, USA Today and un-named "US intelligence officials" (what an oxymoron) as being more reliable (less biased) sources of information
or
(ii) the ominous sounding accusation re ZH from said "US intelligence officials" that immediately followed.

I think it's a close tie.

You could of course have saved yourself getting your underwear in knots simply by clicking on the author name in the ZH article - which would have:

(i) taken you directly to the source article itself (which ZH simply re-posted),
and
(ii) shown a video clip of Ardern speaking to the UNGA (to which the article referred).

But what would be the fun in that ?

But now that I know you're a "Russia fan", I'll be sure to keep a look-out for other RT and ZH articles that might interest you.

Let me know if you're a "China fan" as well. I can always keep a look-out for "China Global Times" articles for you as well at the same time.

Happy to help.

Cheers, Viking

[husaberg]

Evening.
Thanks for the reply. Made my day. I'm not sure which part of it I enjoyed the most :

(i) That I should take Bloomberg, USA Today and un-named "US intelligence officials" (what an oxymoron) as being more reliable (less biased) sources of information
or
(ii) the ominous sounding accusation re ZH from said "US intelligence officials" that immediately followed.

I think it's a close tie.

You could of course have saved yourself getting your underwear in knots simply by clicking on the author name in the ZH article - which would have:

(i) taken you directly to the source article itself (which ZH simply re-posted),
and
(ii) shown a video clip of Ardern speaking to the UNGA (to which the article referred).

But what would be the fun in that ?

But now that I know you're a "Russia fan", I'll be sure to keep a look-out for other RT and ZH articles that might interest you.

Let me know if you're a "China fan" as well. I can always keep a look-out for "China Global Times" articles for you as well at the same time.

Happy to help.

Cheers, Viking

Sure of course its just a co-incidence that you just happen to post Russian propaganda.

i doubt you will be able to figure out the difference between simple media bias and full of propaganda driven from a dictatorship that controls every form of media in their country.

gish gallop away.........

[pritch]

IIRC there were those who were unimpressed by the jail sentences handed to those involved in the Jan 6 coup attempt. As is the way, minor offences are prosecuted first, more recent sentences have been higher as they work up the food chain. One today was seven years. Seven years in a US prison is no picnic.

[TheDemonLord]

i doubt you will be able to figure out the difference between simple media bias and full of propaganda driven from a dictatorship that controls every form of media in their country

That's because there is no difference... (https://mch.govt.nz/media-sector-support/journalism-fund)

[TheDemonLord]

IIRC there were those who were unimpressed by the jail sentences handed to those involved in the Jan 6 coup attempt. As is the way, minor offences are prosecuted first, more recent sentences have been higher as they work up the food chain. One today was seven years. Seven years in a US prison is no picnic.

Okay then - let's see what he got 7 years for then, surely it must be something under the Sedition act or something to do with Insurrection, right?

Oh.

Oh no it isn't.


Details: Young "aggressively assaulted and harassed a line of dramatically out-numbered" officers inside the Capitol, according to the sentencing memorandum.

He held a strobe light toward the police line, "pushed forward a stick-like object" and assisted in throwing a large audio speaker toward them, the DOJ said.

Then, Young and others assaulted an officer who was pulled into the crowd of rioters. Young held the officer’s left wrist and pulled the officer’s arm away from his body, the DOJ said.

As the violence continued, Young also "made contact with" the helmet of an officer who was pulled into the crowd.

Now, the charge is assaulting an Officer - and assaulting officers is bad and should be punished - from the details of the conviction though... not seeing a whole lot of 'assault'... Much less the 'Aggressively assaulted' claimed in the headline - not seeing any punches or elbows or knees thrown...

But of course, had he been a Democrat voter, this would be a mostly peaceful protest, he could have run-over the officer with his car, and be out on Bail.

[pritch]

An aspiring US politician has announced that if he is elected he will ban pole dancing, porn, and CRT - in primary schools. US primary schools sound much more exciting than the one I went to in NZ. Either that or he's a gullible twat.

Remember though that there are actually people, politicians included, who believe some kids identify as cats. These kids are referred to as 'furries' and require litter trays to be installed in the loos. Or so the fuckwit fringe believe.

[TheDemonLord]

An aspiring US politician has announced that if he is elected he will ban pole dancing, porn, and CRT - in primary schools. US primary schools sound much more exciting than the one I went to in NZ. Either that or he's a gullible twat.

Context is key - the banning 'Porn' is a reference to books in primary schools that contain sexually explicit imagery. Actually - I've got a better idea... A Picture is worth a Thousand Words:

https://ifamnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/GQ1.png

Anyone brave enough to say they think that's appropriate for a book in School?

And banning of CRT is great. I've covered off instances (that you refuse to acknowledge) where CRT principles have been included in subjects.


Remember though that there are actually people, politicians included, who believe some kids identify as cats. These kids are referred to as 'furries' and require litter trays to be installed in the loos. Or so the fuckwit fringe believe.

Now, to presage this article, I don't believe that people who self-identify as Animals fall under the same umbrella as Furries.

The key difference being that Furries are playing a character, whereas people who self-identify as an Animal believe themselves to be that animal. It's a very important difference.

https://www.indy100.com/news/student-identifies-as-cat-australia

People who self-identify as Cats (or other Animal) fall under the category of 'Xenogender'

And if you don't believe me - let's see what the LGBTQ+IA!KOUTNVOWDIOHTKONVWDIOHOWRTIHV dating app 'Taimi' has to say about it...

No, I'm actually serious - they have an entire article on CatGender, and you'll note it doesn't once mention Furries (https://taimi.com/wiki/catgender-what-is-it-what-does-it-mean)

So I have to ask - who is the Fuckwit Fringe? Cause at this point, I've got a buck either way.

[mashman]

Chocolate bunnies sold at Lidl must be destroyed, Swiss court rules in trademark case (https://us.yahoo.com/finance/news/chocolate-bunnies-sold-lidl-must-200154359.html)... lol.

[pritch]

And banning of CRT is great. I've covered off instances (that you refuse to acknowledge) where CRT principles have been included in subjects.

So I have to ask - who is the Fuckwit Fringe? Cause at this point, I've got a buck either way.

it's a lost cause but I'll try one more time. CRT is not taught in schools. Specifically t's an optional course in a law degree and that is all it is. The many and varied things RWNJs decide to call CRT are not CRT.

MAGA and Q adherents are fuckwits but anybody, including politicians, who believes there are litter trays in school toilets for the use of kids certainly qualifies.

[TheDemonLord]

it's a lost cause but I'll try one more time. CRT is not taught in schools. Specifically t's an optional course in a law degree and that is all it is. The many and varied things RWNJs decide to call CRT are not CRT.

And when I've pointed to a Math Curricula, that is targetted at Primary School students, funded by major institutions, that specifically cites CRT - you go awfully quiet:

https://equitablemath.org/



A Pathway to Equitable Math Instruction is an integrated approach to mathematics that centers Black, Latinx, and Multilingual students in grades 6-8, addresses barriers to math equity...
...as they seek to develop an anti-racist math practice. The toolkit “strides” serve as multiple on-ramps for educators as they navigate the individual and collective journey from equity to anti-racism.


And if we go to the Glossary and look up the source they cite for the definition of Racism that they use:

we get this link: https://www.dismantlingracism.org/racism-defined.html

Literally the first line:


The definition of racism offered here is grounded in Critical Race Theory

But Wait! There's more!


https://aperiodical.com/2020/06/resources-for-anti-racism-and-social-justice-in-the-mathematical-sciences/ (https://aperiodical.com/2020/06/resources-for-anti-racism-and-social-justice-in-the-mathematical-sciences/)

Which has a list that includes this:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-VW-nhAuFebzq4jJk66y_r4RXe2MMMLKhf_awxj6Qyg/edit

"Social Justice Mathematics and Science Curricular Resources for K-12 Teachers"

Let me be clear - the University subject of CRT is not taught in Primary Schools, however the CRT Definitions of Race and Racism and Anti-Racist praxis are, based on the above, absolutely being taught in primary school and that is what is meant when Conservatives say CRT is being taught in School.


MAGA and Q adherents are fuckwits but anybody, including politicians, who believes there are litter trays in school toilets for the use of kids certainly qualifies.

I never said there were Litter Trays in School Toilets, I did, however point to a documented instance of a School accepting a Human as being a Cat.

Then I pointed you to resource that confirmed that the Left Wing radicals believe in something called CatGender, enough to have an entire article on it and linking it to a wider concept called XenoGender.

On that basis - I get to ask - Who, exactly, are you calling Fuckwits?

Are you calling the LGBT Lobby Fuckwits? Because they certainly believe in this, if so - how very *phobic of you...
Are you calling Conservatives who merely point this out Fuckwits? If so, they aren't saying it is real in the sense of it's valid, they are saying 'look at these loons that believe this lunacy' - hardly grounds to call someone a Fuckwit if that is all they are doing.


----Edit----

A Couple of things to add - firstly, is the proof of CRT being taught in schools by the opposition to the ban.

If there is no CRT taught in schools, then any Ban would have zero effect on what is being taught and therefore would have zero opposition.
However, if CRT was being taught in schools (by ideologically possessed Teachers) then there would be plenty of reasons to oppose a ban on teaching it in Schools.

And secondly - it is curious that you chose to pick out CRT to defend, as opposed to defending the other item in your list - What's the matter Pritch? Are you getting Squeamish at having to defend a book that depicts two teenagers blowing each other being in middle school libraries? Are you going to implicitly agree (by choosing not to argue that point) that such a book shouldn't be in a School?

If so, then you must agree that the Conservatives, at the very least, have a point to be upset about.

My personal opinion is such a book is inappropriate to be in Schools, due to it's use of a graphic depiction. But if a Student who is around that age wants to buy it with their own money (like I did with books such as a Clockwork Orange in my early/mid teens) - then go for it.

[pritch]

And when I've pointed to a Math Curricula, that is targetted at Primary School students, funded by major institutions, that specifically cites CRT - you go awfully quiet:

It "cites" CRT, it is not CRT. It's not difficult. I don''t go quiet, I ignore it 'cause it's just too silly.




Let me be clear - the University subject of CRT is not taught in Primary Schools,

Thank you. At last.




I never said there were Litter Trays in School Toilets

I did. There are MAGAts believe this idiocy along with all the other nonsense they gained by "doing their own research." There was even a state politician made a speech damning the provision of litter trays in schools for kids identifying as cats. I don't give a fuck if some kids were allowed to identify as cats. I'm pointing out that there are fuckwits who believe there are litter trays for kids in school toilets.


Enough.

[TheDemonLord]

It "cites" CRT, it is not CRT. It's not difficult.

How does one Cite a concept, Pritch, without teaching it?

Come on - I'm all ears.

"These books, they mention God and Jesus - it sure looks like you are teaching Christianity in Schools?"

Pritch: "Oh no, we aren't teaching Christianity, we just cite the Bible...."

Still nothing I see about the book showing teenagers blowing each other in schools - Decided, perhaps, this is not a hill worth dying on?


I don''t go quiet, I ignore it 'cause it's just too silly.

Ah yes, the Ostrich Defence....


Thank you. At last.

You ignore the second part.

Where I have provided multiple links and evidence that CRT Concepts are being taught in K through 12. That is what they are seeking to be banned. That is what is meant when they say CRT is being taught in school. They use the CRT Framework, Definitions, Concepts and put them into practice (or Praxis as per the Marxist Parlance).

Do you accept that if you are:

1: Citing CRT definitions
2: Using CRT Concepts
3: Using CRT Frameworks

Then you are, by extension, teaching CRT? In practice, if not in academic Theory?


I did. There are MAGAts believe this idiocy along with all the other nonsense they gained by "doing their own research." There was even a state politician made a speech damning the provision of litter trays in schools for kids identifying as cats. I don't give a fuck if some kids were allowed to identify as cats. I'm pointing out that there are fuckwits who believe there are litter trays for kids in school toilets.

Enough.

Okay - put the litter tray idea down, for the moment. I'll grant you there are people that probably believe it.

The problem first and foremost is that you have Radical Left-Wing types who insist that something like CatGender is both real and should be accommodated hence why I can find an instance of a school accepting of it.

From there it is a very small series of steps that if you accept a Human as a Cat, then you ought to treat them as a Cat and how does one do that? Well... Litter Boxes.

Just like if you accept that a Biological Male can on the mere say-so become a Female (Trans-Women are Women as the chant goes), then that biological Male not only can, but must be allowed to use the Girls Bathrooms... Let's just not talk about all the rapes and sexual assaults that multiple schools have covered up to preserve that Lunacy.

It is the same series of steps:

If Man is Women, then you ought to treat them as a Women, and where do Women go to the Toilet? In the Womens Toilets
If Man is Cat, then you ought to treat them as a Cat, and where do Cats go to the Toilet? In a Litter Box.

Same (retarded) Logic.

So to be clear - I do not believe the Cat Litter story - but I know that the left believe that CatGender is real, I know that at least one school as accommodated a student who self-identified as a cat, as a cat, and I know where the conclusion of that line of thinking goes.

[sugilite]

Ok tdl, you seem to have missed referencing where you got the image of the book from?
considering most children carry a device in their pocket that lets them access images and video showing such things as beastiality, scat, and near every video of straight sex scenes suggesting every woman loves cum on her face. Why should schools not attempt to cover the subject in a more balanced way? A lot of parents simply don't talk about sex. This shit is out there and kids need to be taught things like respect, observing boundries, keeping safe, acknowledging fantasies, but the possible real world consequences of acting them out.

I have no doubt you will now twist my words around with great delight, but i feel most will get what im getting at.

Tidal waves of porn have been unleashed and are readily available and often acessed by children While i do not necessarily approve of your example piece, my strong feeling is children need to be shown a balance and given guidelines on how to deal with what many see on a daily basis. Sure getting the balance right is very difficult, but doing nothing and pretendingour kids dont see this depravity all the time is not an option either imho.

[TheDemonLord]

Ok tdl, you seem to have missed referencing where you got the image of the book from?

The where is irrelevant - the only thing is that it's a pretty accurate depiction of what is in the book. All the sites that think this book is a good thing - show the nice pictures - all the sites that don't like the book show the objectionable stuff.

I'm gonna presume that the source (since you raised it) is objectionable - but as above, my only requirement was that I found an accurate enough depiction of the objectionable section of the book.


considering most children carry a device in their pocket that lets them access images and video showing such things as beastiality, scat, and near every video of straight sex scenes suggesting every woman loves cum on her face.

Something that many people take an issue with.


Why should schools not attempt to cover the subject in a more balanced way?

Okay - I have multiple different thoughts on this.

I will start with the most Hyper-Conservative one:

It is very difficult to identify predators in the general population. An adult that wants to talk to Children about Sex has a greater than random chance percentage of being a Predator. There is little-to-no benefit to be gained in risking that interaction and very large and life-long potential consequences. Therefore Any Adult who wants to talk to my Children about Sex can fuck right off.

Slightly less Conservative than that is that I've read a little history of the field of Sexology and the people that came up with the idea and the early beginnings - two notable incidents was a German experiment to put vulnerable orphans in the care of known Pedophiles (and yes, that went as well as you would expect), the other being the work of Alfred Kinsey - who as part of his research consulted with a Pedophile for info about the sexual response of Children.
Suffice to say, with a history like that, I am highly skeptical.

Let's cut to the Middle Ground - regardless of anyones thoughts on the matter - the Sexual Revolution happened and we are where we are - Things like Contraception, Teenage Pregnancy, Consent and STIs have a good pragmatic basis for teaching children who are close to the age where they are likely to start experimenting (so just before the onset of puberty) to give them the tools to explore safely. This is the majority opinion that I hold on this subject - but with Caveats - given my other two aforementioned opinions - to quote Captain Picard: "Vigilance, Mister Worf - that is the price we have to continually pay."

Now, for the slightly more liberal side of things - as you say, they will find this out on their own and the sources that they will use for *ahem* research, will have a very particular bias (shall we say) to them, and as such, an attempt to correct that bias could be warranted (although ultimately futile - for various reasons).


A lot of parents simply don't talk about sex. This shit is out there and kids need to be taught things like respect, observing boundries, keeping safe, acknowledging fantasies, but the possible real world consequences of acting them out.

See above, I'm not entirely opposed in part to this - but the question is: What is the limiting factor on what to teach? See, as above - Respect, sure. Consent? Absolutely, keeping safe - definitely.

Acknowledging Fantasies - this is where it gets interesting. Just so you know this isn't some back column in a Men's magazine source (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18321031/). According to that, between 31% and 57% of women have had Rape Fantasies.

A bit more sinister and malevolent than merely getting a facial, wouldn't you say?

Do you teach that to School Children? And if not, why not?

This isn't an attempt at a Gotchya - what mechanism do you use to say 'these Fantasies are okay to teach about, these ones aren't' - I mean, the rational person might say that you only teach about the common ones - but between 31 and 57% - that's pretty common wouldn't you say?

Would you feel it is right an acceptable to get in front of a class of say 16 year olds (so above the age of consent) and tell them (a mix of Girls and Boys) about this?

I wouldn't.


I have no doubt you will now twist my words around with great delight, but i feel most will get what im getting at.

As above, I agree mostly with you - but I have reservations based on both a historical reading and philosophical issues.


While i do not necessarily approve of your example piece

Okay - let me pause you there for a moment.

Why?

And the follow-up, if you don't approve of it, does it stand to reason as a fairly Centrist, typical Person, that many others who make up the majority would also not necessarily approve of it?

If that is true (and I think it is) - does it therefore stand to reason that when the Conservative steps forward and says they are going to Ban porn in schools, instead of the Mock-Horror and denial A La Pritch, that maybe they have a rational and reasonable basis for doing so?

I should also remind everyone that for the most part, I don't like censorship - being rather a free speech absolutist - as per my previous post when I said I have no problem with a teenager earning their own money and buying the book.

That ideal though comes with some responsibilities - which I think having this bought by the Tax payer and put into a school library violates.


my strong feeling is children need to be shown a balance and given guidelines on how to deal with what many see on a daily basis.

I have a lot of sympathy for this point of view and even agree with some aspects of it - However, I don't think it's entirely possible.

I happen to know several very strident Feminists (Full-on Smash the Patriarchy types) - don't ask how our Friendship works - on paper it shouldn't, but it does. I also happen to know that behind closed doors there is a proportional relationship to how outspoken a Feminist they are and how much they love to be ragdolled around the room, Spat on, called a Whore and generally abused (consensually, of course).

The reason I bring this up, is that what gets our motor going, is what gets our motor going. Things that are a Turn-on, just are - it's involuntary.

I mean, this was the argument for Gay Acceptance in the 80s/90s - the whole 'Born this way' argument, that you have no conscious control over what gets your rocks off.

I'm pretty self aware that I can point you to two scenes in a movie that explains literally 90% of what I like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWo5_oxOnvg
https://youtu.be/LaQCnUhIMqs?t=360

(Anyone here Surprised?)

Back to the serious point though - If the most strong-headed Feminist cannot be made to intellectualize balance for their deep seated desire to be dominated by a Male, then I'm not certain that such a balance is possible.


Sure getting the balance right is very difficult, but doing nothing and pretendingour kids dont see this depravity all the time is not an option either imho.

See, I'm not advocating doing nothing - and sure, there are Conservatives and Christians who do advocate that. I'm fine with some form of Sex Education - but such a concept needs careful and close vigilance as there are both Predators who would use such a system to gain access to Children and people who would seek to push their views onto children (see the 5000% increase in TransKids in highly progressive areas where it has become the latest Fad).

I don't think you can achieve the balance that you speak of because our sexual desires are inherently irrational - the best you can do is to outline the Health Risks, Talk about Consent, talk about Pregnancy and contraception - and maybe a little bit of an old-fashioned conservative talk that keeping it reserved for someone special isn't a bad thing (which works for the majority of the population).

Now, if you feel I've twisted anything - feel free - but for the most part, I'm not arguing against what you say.

[husaberg]

I have no doubt you will now twist my words around with great delight, but i feel most will get what im getting at.



What's the chances your are not wrong about either.....:lol:

[sugilite]

TDL - Before I comment further, I'm going to need to have a look at this book in it's entirety. One page is not enough to form a complete view. Please supply a link to the place where you read it. Cheers.

[pritch]

TDL - Before I comment further, I'm going to need to have a look at this book in it's entirety. One page is not enough to form a complete view. Please supply a link to the place where you read it. Cheers.

I was a bit startled at the attachment TDL posted but didn't comment because it lacked context. The same book though was the subject of discussion in the latest 'Real Time' podcast. It seems it actually is a thing.

Trump has named Linda Ronstadt (among others) in his latest weird court action. She for comparing the US under Trump to 1930s Germany under Hitler. It's a good comparison. The list of banned books in one southern shit hole state is nearing 200. The list includes many classics including Huckleberry Finn and To Kill A Mockingbird.
It's safe to assume TDL's book made the list too.

[TheDemonLord]

TDL - Before I comment further, I'm going to need to have a look at this book in it's entirety. One page is not enough to form a complete view. Please supply a link to the place where you read it. Cheers.

I have not read it in it's entirety - however, there are more than enough panels from the book available in a Google Search to give you an overall feel.

https://www.google.com/search?q=gender+queer+book&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALiCzsY57kWq5b7ZmgtXkRuS851AK4ENdA:166491551 0465&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj58tPMtcf6AhVb63MBHbzqDe4Q_AUoAXoECAIQA w&biw=1536&bih=739&dpr=1.25

If you feel I'm jumping to conclusions - I will retort that I've got more than a casual understanding of the underlying Gender Theory ideology that drives the creation of books like this, which you will no-doubt dismiss.

That said, even if I'm being as charitable as I possibly can be, I do not think there is any context or complete view that could justify that being in a School Library, paid for by the state.

And just to give the threshold I'm using here - I cannot remember seeing any books in my School Library that visually depicted sex acts. I can remember books on Serial Killers that had illustrations of aspects of a crime - such as a picture of John Haigh standing ominously next to a Barrel, with a Gas Mask on - alluding to what happened, but not showing the actual act.

The crossing of the line between hinting about a graphic act and depicting a graphic act is what I think is most at issue here.

You could have the commentary of the Fantasy (perhaps tone down the language a bit - since it's audience are still Teenagers) and then an illustration of a couple enjoying post-sex bliss. You'd likely still get the hardline christian conservative backlash, but you wouldn't get the reaction from people like yourself.


I was a bit startled at the attachment TDL posted but didn't comment because it lacked context. The same book though was the subject of discussion in the latest 'Real Time' podcast. It seems it actually is a thing.

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooah!

That's quite the admission Pritch!

Just give me a moment to get up off the floor.

Okay - both you and Sugi - who generally disagree with me when it comes to things like Woke etc. have both admitted that the image I posted was objectionable - I'm going to ask this:

You started this discussion mocking the Conservatives for you thought was the absurd. In no small part because of the way that the story was portrayed in the Media that you trust (A Media who shares the same ideological viewpoint as the books author).

Now you have seen what is being objected to - is it possible that maybe the Conservatives have a point? And the even larger point, if you are feeling brave, that maybe the people who presented this story to you in such a way to make it seem absurd and for you to dismiss the story as crazy Conservatives were doing so for nefarious reasons.

As an additional point - you didn't believe it was true, I not only knew which book was being referred to, but even knew the specific page that was being objected to. Will you also concede that maybe on these issues, I have a little bit more context and knowledge on this issue?


The list of banned books in one southern shit hole state is nearing 200. The list includes many classics including Huckleberry Finn and To Kill A Mockingbird.
It's safe to assume TDL's book made the list too.

Methinks you have your lists confused Pritch.

To Kill a Mockingbird and Huck Finn are banned in California, for using period-correct Racial Slurs. If the list you are referring to is the one I think it is (and given the two examples, I believe it is) - then it is a Fake List - as Florida has not banned those books.

DeSantis' Press Secretary even tweeted that Florida recommends Grade 8 (13-14 yo) read the book.

[sugilite]

OK, found a free version of it to read. Problem is, it is a 99 page comic book, realistically, I won't have time to look at all that until Monday with my schedule (Yes TDL I'm not posting much because I'm freaking so busy, not because I'm wrought in angst that your posts might be right - well, you are certainly right in posting some people have the weirdest fantasies ;)). Initial thoughts are after reading wikipedia page is, there is supposedly only a small handful; of explicit pictures, they could of made a school addition with sanitized ones at the very least. Will report back once I been through it.

[TheDemonLord]

not because I'm wrought in angst that your posts might be right

To be honest - the fact we've come from the initial comment of indignation and mockery to the point where both you and Pritch have acknowledged that there is something that you both feel is wrong with the image(s) that you saw, such that there is a legitimate conversation to be had as to whether it's acceptable - I've pretty much won.

I mean, sure I'm me and I'd like to go for the overwhelming victory of the Media lying about it and this being part of a number of Marxist disciplines that seek to undermine civilization....

But y'know - I'll keep this one in the back pocket.


well, you are certainly right in posting some people have the weirdest fantasies ;)

All I'm going to say is that the one I picked has a rate between 30-50% and is considered pretty edge - makes you think about what 25 or even 10% of the population might be aroused by.

To quote Blade Runner

"I've.... Seen things..."


Initial thoughts are after reading wikipedia page is, there is supposedly only a small handful; of explicit pictures, they could of made a school addition with sanitized ones at the very least.

A reasonably sound suggestion and one with plenty of good will.

I'm not sure I would extend such good will.

I have my reasons - some of which I've already outlined here and elsewhere (knowledge of the ideology that drives this, incompatibility between Gender Theory and Biology, massive surges in children, particularly autistic girls of self-reporting etc.) - but others include the circling of the Wagons by the Media types to try and portray that opposition to what I posted (which I think is the overwhelming majority opinion) is somehow 'wrong' to the point as to be mocked and treated with disdain.

[sugilite]

To be honest - the fact we've come from the initial comment of indignation and mockery to the point where both you and Pritch have acknowledged that there is something that you both feel is wrong with the image(s) that you saw, such that there is a legitimate conversation to be had as to whether it's acceptable - I've pretty much won.


Really. Please do show where either Pritch or I made any sort of comments containing indignation or mockery in regards to your posting of the image from the book?
Both of us were honest in our appraisal of said image.
You on the other hand - felt the need to put words in our mouths to take some sort of "win" and claim credit based totally on a lie. No wonder you admire the orange buffoon so much, you see him every time you look in the mirror.
If you were aiming to look like an abject lying wanker - then yes, you "won". Congratulations.
Now, rather than writing a wall of text trying to link your words to something we said in an unrelated thread, why don't you try something refreshing, and actually type something honest and earn some actual credit. Just a thought.

[TheDemonLord]

Really. Please do show where either Pritch or I made any sort of comments containing indignation or mockery in regards to your posting of the image from the book?
Both of us were honest in our appraisal of said image.
You on the other hand - felt the need to put words in our mouths to take some sort of "win" and claim credit based totally on a lie. No wonder you admire the orange buffoon so much, you see him every time you look in the mirror.
If you were aiming to look like an abject lying wanker - then yes, you "won". Congratulations.
Now, rather than writing a wall of text trying to link your words to something we said in an unrelated thread, why don't you try something refreshing, and actually type something honest and earn some actual credit. Just a thought.

Bro...

You misinterpreted what I said, quite significantly.

This started because of this post:


An aspiring US politician has announced that if he is elected he will ban pole dancing, porn, and CRT - in primary schools. US primary schools sound much more exciting than the one I went to in NZ. Either that or he's a gullible twat.

That is the "initial comment of indignation and mockery" to which I spoke of.

Not your or Pritch's subsequent reaction to the actual image that sparked this.

Now that I've clarified which comment that pertains to (and what it definitely does not pertain to) - Do you still stand by that post?

[sugilite]

So why involve me and claim the "win" so nope. You chose my quote to comment and speak to me directly and go on and claim your "victory" lap. So I do still stand by what I wrote. I have told you time and again not to put words in my mouth. if i did not say it, leave me out of it. Pretty simple.

[TheDemonLord]

So why involve me and claim the "win" so nope. You chose my quote to comment and speak to me directly and go on and claim your "victory" lap. So I do still stand by what I wrote. I have told you time and again not to put words in my mouth. if i did not say it, leave me out of it. Pretty simple.

Correct, I did.

Because whether you saying that I'm right or not isn't what I consider to be winning here.

As I jokingly said, I'd prefer a full victory - but the actual win here is both your and Pritch's reaction to the image I posted.

I could have posted reams and reams of text outlining various aspects of that book, the philosophy that drives it etc. etc. and assuming you had the time, will and inclination - we could have had a delightful back-and-forth - yet, none of that would have had the visceral impact of seeing the image in question..

When I said a picture was worth a Thousand Words, I really meant it and knew what your reaction would be.

Regardless of what the conclusion at the end of the discussion you hold is - whether you think the Book should be in schools, shouldn't be in schools, should be redacted in schools etc. etc.

By your reactions (and yes, I'm combining your reactions, because they are pretty similar - if you think this is putting words in your mouth, then I'll correct) - I've 'proved' that there is a serious issue, that deserves serious discussion.

Hence my comment - I've moved it from Pritch's initial post of Mockery and Indignation to one where 'regular' folks such as yourself and Pritch (who aren't as versed in the whole culture war/Anti-Wokeness stuff as people like myself) have gone 'Shit - they have a point'.

You don't have to agree with anything past that, you don't even have to reach a conclusion that it's wrong per se - just agreeing that there's a legitimacy to the question being asked is sufficient.

Now, I don't know in particular if you agreed or disagreed with Pritch's initial post - so you might say that without knowing your initial view it's bad form to claim victory - but above I wasn't seeking to prove the argument correct one way or another - only seeking to prove it's legitimacy to be had in the first place - and your shock confirms that.

[sugilite]

As usual, a wall of bullshit. Please do show me the post where you perceive I'm in shock?

[TheDemonLord]

As usual, a wall of bullshit. Please do show me the post where you perceive I'm in shock?

Sure:


While i do not necessarily approve of your example piece

And then subsequent comments - such as the suggestion about having an edited version for school use.

Shock/Disapproval/Startled

whichever adjective you want to use, it's fine - the manner of your engagement in the discussion shows that the concern being raised has legitimacy.

Look - let me throw you a line here so we can get back on track - let's assume you read the whole comic and come to the conclusion that it's acceptable for schools and you find some quote from me espousing a Free Speech absolutist opinion, quote it at me and say gotcha.

The latter part is well within the realms of possibility, the former - I suspect you will side with your earlier opinion that the Explicit parts are a step too far for school.

I've still shown that there's a legitimate issue here and not the absurd/hyperbolic portrayal of the issue as per Pritch's initial post.

[sugilite]

Shock, disapproval, startled? None of the above. A mild hmmmm would be accurate.
The reason I'm reading it is because I actually have a fair bit of skin in the game due to people close to me being directly affected by this stuff. I may share later - or not. Me reading it has absolutely nothing to do with proving you wrong.

[husaberg]

As usual, a wall of bullshit. Please do show me the post where you perceive I'm in shock?

in the words of the immortal Jim Lahey
He posted a Shitwall of Shit as if scattered with Shit Machine Gun
Shitweeds grew from Shit seeds
It started as shit larvae and then the grew into shitapillars. A whole pandemic of shitapillars
In essence its a Shitstorm pushed by a Shitwinds heading to the Shitabyss.

[TheDemonLord]

Shock, disapproval, startled? None of the above. A mild hmmmm would be accurate.

Okay - Fair - For you a Mild Hmmmm.

Even a Mild Hmmmm means that the issue at hand isn't ridiculous in the way that it was initially (By Pritch) portrayed.


The reason I'm reading it is because I actually have a fair bit of skin in the game due to people close to me being directly affected by this stuff. I may share later - or not. Me reading it has absolutely nothing to do with proving you wrong.

I would recommend (For balance, if nothing else) the works of:

- The end of Gender by Debra Soh
- Self-Made Man by Norma Vincent
- Irreversible Damage by Abigail Shrier
- Cynical Theories by Helen Pluckrose and James Lindsey

The first talks about the Nature vs Nurture aspects of Sex and Gender and the Human Universality of certain things.
Self-Made Man was a Lesbian who spent 18 months as a Man, sadly she got severe depression from the experience and never really recovered, she committed Suicide (assisted) in Switzerland earlier this year.
Irreversible Damage is about the various harms being done, in particular, Autistic Girls who get on the Trans Train and are positively reinforced at every step, to the point where they are on Hormones and having surgeries that have permanent implications.
Cynical Theories looks at the Academic literature that drives this.

Whoever the people close to you are and whatever the manner in which they are affected - I hope they get the help the need (which may not be the help they want).

[Dean]

Drama :violin:

[pritch]

Apropos of TDL's comic - sort of. I worked with a woman who was somewhat proud of her ancestry. More recently she posted a pic on social media of her having lunch with her nephew who had a name strongly indicative of that ancestry. I replied commenting on the name. She replied that it was a very good name of its type, but that her nephew had been Christened Shirley. I didn't see that coming. Then again, as she said, neither did anybody else.

Families have to deal with variations from the 'norm', presumably having relevant literature available would assist. Lacking a degree in educational psychology or similar, I can't comment on the suitability, or otherwise, of any of that material. However startling it may at first appear.

[TheDemonLord]

Lacking a degree in educational psychology or similar, I can't comment on the suitability, or otherwise, of any of that material. However startling it may at first appear.

Do you need a Biology degree to know a Cat is a Cat?
Or a Degree in Criminology to know when a Crime has been committed?

You are (I believe) a parent, that gives you suitability to have an opinion on what material a child sees.

[mashman]

Drama :violin:

But it's drama that sells... else they'd be talking about something important innit :)

[Dean]

But it's drama that sells... else they'd be talking about something important innit :)

Well said :)

[pritch]

It should not be a surprise to anyone that COVID killed more Reblicans than Democrats in the US. The Rs wouldn't get vaccinated, social distance, or wear masks. 'Cause freedumb. They preferred hydroxychloroquine, horse dewormer, or just considered the whole thing a hoax. In the two states studied so far the difference is huge.


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-death-rates-higher-republicans-democrats-why-rcna50883

[TheDemonLord]

It should not be a surprise to anyone that COVID killed more Reblicans than Democrats in the US. The Rs wouldn't get vaccinated, social distance, or wear masks. 'Cause freedumb. They preferred hydroxychloroquine, horse dewormer, or just considered the whole thing a hoax. In the two states studied so far the difference is huge.


https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-death-rates-higher-republicans-democrats-why-rcna50883

Or the Republican voter base is generally older (as people get more conservative with age) and age was a significant factor in Covid Mortality.

Yet curiously, Age (as a factor) isn't once mentioned in the Article.

[pritch]

Yet curiously, Age (as a factor) isn't once mentioned in the Article.

Nor was Darwin but...

[husaberg]

Nor was Darwin but...

Was education and literacy skills and religion
if you believe in an omnipotent sky pixie you will be more likely to believe trumps lies.
351765351766351767351768351769

There was more differences in sex, race, education and religion than age for being republican voter
351770

But shit my money would be on the professionals

The Yale researchers behind the new working paper say vaccine hesitancy among Republicans may be the biggest culprit.
"In counties where a large share of the population is getting vaccinated, we see a much smaller gap between Republicans and Democrats," said Jacob Wallace, an author of that study and an assistant professor of health policy at the Yale School of Public Health.His paper found that the partisan gap in the deaths widened between April and December 2021, after all adults became eligible for Covid vaccines.



according to a working paper released last month by the National Bureau of Economic Research.


A study in June published in Health Affairs similarly found that counties....

[pritch]

The jury in the Alex Jones defamation case has awarded $965,000,000 to the families of the Sandy Hook victims. Sadly I seem to recall that there is a law that will restrict the damages to a tiny fraction of that. The families had best hold off spending the cash.


Ooops! I left three zeros off.

Another ooops! The 965,000,000 does not include all the lawyer's fees. Those were also awarded against him. So at this stage he's out about a billion bucks - which he hasn't got.

[TheDemonLord]

The jury in the Alex Jones defamation case has awarded $965,000 to the families of the Sandy Hook victims. Sadly I seem to recall that there is a law that will restrict the damages to a tiny fraction of that. The families had best hold off spending the cash.

It depends on the State, you may be thinking of the Johnny Depp case where the punitive damages in Virginia are capped at $350,000.

[pritch]

It depends on the State, you may be thinking of the Johnny Depp case where the punitive damages in Virginia are capped at $350,000.

On looking further, the law limiting damages might have related to his earlier case in Texas. This latest is in Connecticut.

[TheDemonLord]

On looking further, the law limiting damages might have related to his earlier case in Texas. This latest is in Connecticut.

Yep - Texas has a Punitive Damage cap as well. Not sure about CT.

[sugilite]

Alex Jones will just declare bankruptcy, and then conviniently pop up a new business in another form. Justice in the US is only metered out to the little people.

[TheDemonLord]

Alex Jones will just declare bankruptcy, and then conviniently pop up a new business in another form. Justice in the US is only metered out to the little people.

I'm not sure - this is from Depp Heard trial (so may not be relevant due to different State law) - My understanding is that Court orders are not dischargeable for an Individual. E.g. declaring Bankruptcy doesn't get you out of paying a court order.

[1/32 man]

Justice in the US is only metered out to the little people. and the poor....so the slime who can afford multiple lawyers continue in their slimey ways....with impunity it would seem.

[onearmedbandit]

Alex Jones will just declare bankruptcy, and then conviniently pop up a new business in another form. Justice in the US is only metered out to the little people.

He's already filed bankruptcy proceedings for his business, did so before the ruling came out.

[Laava]

He obviously read Art of the Deal then...

[pritch]

Alex Jones will just declare bankruptcy, and then conviniently pop up a new business in another form. Justice in the US is only metered out to the little people.

As OAB pointed out he may have already commenced bankruptcy proceedings. Sometimes though, if it's too transparent, the courts will stop the process. As happened to the NRA a year or so ago. Similarly with the NY Attorney General applying to stop Trump transferring assets to his new company.

Interestingly the $965 million does not include punitive damages, the judge is yet to award those.

[R650R]

This makes me want to buy VW, German efficiency at its finest turn the lights out

https://joannenova.com.au/2022/10/volkswagon-solves-glue-protests-by-supporting-them-no-lights-no-heating-no-attention/

[mashman]

Jair Bolsonaro: The Amazon and why world is watching Brazil's election (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-63313990)... but, as important as such things are, the scandal around the UK conservative party election is far more entertaining and likely to yield in a result that could be considered positive.

[mashman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56cleIKdt0c... stupid world at its best. Doing the right thing and being fucked over for it.

[pritch]

This morning I tuned in to NewstalkZB to hear the news at 8.00. I made the mistake of sticking around to listen to the host's segment with a couple of sports commentator.s The subject of Gina Rinehart's recent split with Netball Australia cropped up. Not one of the three had a clue as to the cause of the problem. I can't remember the exact words but it was attributed to something like a woke environmental protest. Complete bollocks!

The team wears (wore?) sponsorship on their tops for Hancock Prospecting. The eponymous Mr Hancock was a proponent of sterilising all aboriginal people so that the race would eventually disappear. That could presumably be defined as genocide. Of course the team members may have been blissfully unaware of this, until recently a player of aboriginal exctraction was selected. She was all too aware of the history and she did not want to wear the name of a person who advocated for her race to be consigned to history.
Her team mates supported her. Gina was not pleased and cancelled the fifteen million dollar contract.

Sports announcers are not expected to be bright but they should be better informed than that.



Afterthought: NZ doesn't really have sports commentators, we tend to have rugby, cricket, and netball commentators. Some of them have only marginal knowledge of other sports.

[R650R]

Top bloke moves protestors vans.

These protestors are starting to get cocky, people at front of que need to drag them away at start.
You are being unlawfully detained by these nutters (as you can’t turn around on mwsy) so yourcwithin legal rights to use reasonable force to move them.


https://youtu.be/PBM3RFZW4pc

[pritch]

Well done that man.

[TheDemonLord]

For those that know...

"Let that Sink in"

[mashman]

NASA instrument detects dozens of methane super-emitters from space (https://us.yahoo.com/finance/news/nasa-instrument-detects-dozens-methane-002053620.html)

Puff piece.

"Compared with CO2, which lingers in the atmosphere for centuries, methane persists for only about a decade, meaning that reductions in methane emissions have a more immediate impact on planetary warming."

Really George?

"Methane enters the atmosphere and eventually combines with oxygen (oxidizes) to form more CO2. Methane converts to CO2 by this simple chemical reaction." (http://www.ces.fau.edu/nasa/module-4/causes/methane-carbon-dioxide.php)

But methane is less dangerous, even though it breaks down into more co2. Hardly surprising that methane only lasts as long as it takes for it to oxidize in an oxygen rich atmosphere. Oh the games they play with their fancy terms and bollocks to legitimise their ways.

[TheDemonLord]

Well, the last few days have been wonderful.

Elon the Conqueror has completed his purchase of Twitter and has started at the top with a series of terminations.

The screeching, by the same cry-bullies that gleefully cheered when they took their political opponents livelihoods away, now that they are getting a taste of their own medicine is a veritable symphony to my ears.

Remember folks - Twitter is a private Company (it very much is now) and they can do what they want.

'Tis a Glorious day.

[R650R]

Well, the last few days have been wonderful.

Elon the Conqueror has completed his purchase of Twitter and has started at the top with a series of terminations.

The screeching, by the same cry-bullies that gleefully cheered when they took their political opponents livelihoods away, now that they are getting a taste of their own medicine is a veritable symphony to my ears.

Remember folks - Twitter is a private Company (it very much is now) and they can do what they want.

'Tis a Glorious day.

Yes indeed. Spare a thought for the horror existing users are going to go through, having to be exposed to alternative points of view.
Although he has blown away the walls of that echo chamber let us not forget electric Jesus is a student of Klaus schwab. It may just be a new vehicle to push green agenda and hasten demise of petrol power instead of being all politics.

[pritch]

Yes indeed. Spare a thought for the horror existing users are going to go through, having to be exposed to alternative points of view.


Twitter always had alternative points of view. You aren't necessarily "exposed" to them though. I don't usually see them but if a MAGA annoys me I just block them. Nothing about that will change.

To be banned from Twitter you had to repeatedly break rules, usually hate speech against one or other of the 'popular' targets for such. Spreading virus disinformation could get you banned too. Trump broke the terms of service nearly every day, but something something president.

I'm not sure Trump will want to return to Twitter, however much Musk might welcome him. Trump's following at Truth Social is tragically small compared to his peak following at Twitter. If Trump returned to Twitter now though, there would be no reason at all for his crippled "media empire" to stagger on.

Musk's firing of some of the top staff at Twitter might not be a great business move. Many people want a start-up to compete with Twitter. Musk just made a group of experienced and qualified people available.

[TheDemonLord]

Twitter always had alternative points of view. You aren't necessarily "exposed" to them though. I don't usually see them but if a MAGA annoys me I just block them. Nothing about that will change.

To be banned from Twitter you had to repeatedly break rules, usually hate speech against one or other of the 'popular' targets for such. Spreading virus disinformation could get you banned too. Trump broke the terms of service nearly every day, but something something president.

Or reporting on factually true stories - like the Hunter Biden laptop - that got you banned.
Or calling Biological Men... Men. That also gets you banned.
Or saying the Virus might have originated in a research lab that specializes in the particular flavour of Virus that was located in the area of the first outbreak - that got you banned.

Those alternative points of view...



Musk's firing of some of the top staff at Twitter might not be a great business move. Many people want a start-up to compete with Twitter. Musk just made a group of experienced and qualified people available.

Experienced and Qualified? None of them have Start-up experience and the Technical expertise is patchy.

Apparently next for the chop is large swathes of the Content Moderation team.

If I were to make a bold prediction - it's that the Democrats are suddenly going to change their tune from 'It's a Private Company they can do what they want' to 'We need to look at regulation'

[sugilite]

Experienced and Qualified? None of them have Start-up experience and the Technical expertise is patchy.
'
You are talking about truth social right?

I think it is hilarious that Musk has taken over twitter, but for different reasons to you, obviously.
Musk is so thin skinned, he could not handle his offer of a submarine being rejected he resorted to calling the guy a pedo. I bet he scrubs twitter of any mean tweets about him lol

If trump does not come back, twitter will ultimately and very likely eat itself.
And i could not care less.

Trumps dilemma however is an amusing one. Rejoin twitter to hook up with his former 60 million followers, tacitly acknowledging truth social is the turd that it is, or just stick with truth social and retain his severely limited exposure and go down with the slowly sinking ship. Poor orange turd :laugh:

[pritch]

Or reporting on factually true stories - like the Hunter Biden laptop - that got you banned.
Or calling Biological Men... Men. That also gets you banned.
Or saying the Virus might have originated in a research lab that specializes in the particular flavour of Virus that was located in the area of the first outbreak - that got you banned.


I've been a regular user of Twitter for years and have never seen or heard anything of that. I have to assume therefore that it's total bollox and that you have neither experience nor knowledge on which to base this.

On Twitter "Hunter Biden's laptop" would be an indicator that confirms we have an idiot in the conversation. I'd block the fuckwit there and then. Other such indicators are 'Soros' and 'woke'. You see those, you know there's no hope.

As for virus misinformation, I have no idea where you got that. I believe virus misinformation might be the cause of Mad Marge's banning. She was perpetuating the "hoax' theory, plus pushing anti virus theories, anti mask, and all sorts of insane rubbish. All while over a million of her fellow citizens were dying. This is the woman that said the Californian forest fires were started by Jewish lasers from outer space. Of course the Republicans are suggesting she might make a good Vice President. She can barely speak English.

Before you start commenting on Twitter I'd suggest you spend some time there. While it is still functioning.

[husaberg]

Before you start commenting on Twitter I'd suggest you spend some time there. While it is still functioning.

Musk
the bird is freed

Thierry Breton European Commissioner
"In Europe, the bird flies by our rules."
#DSA, referencing the incoming Digital Services Act, which lays out the rules for social media companies operating in Europe
One of the central facets of the DSA is about ensuring that what is illegal offline is also illegal online -- something Musk will have no choice but to comply with.


Rajeev Chandrasekhar, India’s minister of state for electronics and information technology.
"Our rules and laws for intermediaries remain the same regardless of who owns the platforms,"
So, the expectation of compliance with Indian laws and rules remains."


Dimitry Medvedev, former Russia president and current deputy chairman of Russia's Security Council,
: "Good luck @elonmusk in overcoming political bias and ideological dictatorship on Twitter. BHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Margarita Simonyan, The editor-in-chief of Russian state-controlled broadcaster RT, asked Musk to "unban RT and Sputnik accounts and take the shadow ban off mine as well?"

He's already lost GM's advertising and is now resorting to pleading with other advertisers

Dear Twitter Advertisers
351826

piss of the companies and the results is, shit heads who post crap lose big.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kanye-west-returns-instagram-businesses-cut-ties-ye-antisemitic-comments/

A reminder why turd was banned
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FgFH2GmWIAUp4H0?format=png&name=900x900

[sugilite]

Haha, musk has purchased a money pit. He is already 200 million down paying out the execs he fired. Wow he really showed them :laugh:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/28/tech/elon-musk-twitter-golden-parachutes/index.html

[R650R]

Did someone say Hunter Biden’s Laptop...

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0929HDCT6/ref=cm_cr_arp_mb_bdcrb_top?ie=UTF8

“USA Today and Wall Street Journal Bestseller!

The inside story of the laptop that exposed the president’s dirtiest secret.

When a drug-addled Hunter Biden abandoned his waterlogged computer at a Mac repair shop in Delaware in the spring of 2019, just six days before his father announced his candidacy for the United States presidency, it became the ticking time bomb in the shadows of Joe Biden’s campaign.

The dirty secrets contained in Hunter’s laptop almost derailed his father’s presidential campaign and ignited one of the greatest media coverups in American history.

This is the unvarnished story of what’s really inside the laptop and what China knows about the Bidens, by the New York Post journalist who brought it into the open.

It exposes the coordinated censorship operation by Big Tech, the media establishment, and former intelligence operatives to stifle the New York Post’s coverage, in a chilling exercise of raw political power three weeks before the 2020 election.

A treasure trove of corporate documents, emails, text messages, photographs, and voice recordings, spanning a decade, the laptop provided the first evidence that President Joe Biden was involved in his son’s ventures in China, Ukraine, and beyond, despite his repeated denials.

This intimate insight into Hunter’s dissolute lifestyle shows he was incapable of holding down a job, let alone being paid tens of millions of dollars in high-powered international business deals by foreign interests, unless he had something else of value to sell—which of course he did. He was the son of the vice president who would go on to become the leader of the free world.”

[R650R]

Haha, musk has purchased a money pit. He is already 200 million down paying out the execs he fired. Wow he really showed them :laugh:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/28/tech/elon-musk-twitter-golden-parachutes/index.html

Pocket money to him... will be interesting to see what it’s worth is when dust settles, extreme left may try but it back haha


https://youtu.be/jUy-tryeV1w

[TheDemonLord]

I've been a regular user of Twitter for years and have never seen or heard anything of that. I have to assume therefore that it's total bollox and that you have neither experience nor knowledge on which to base this.

Hunter Biden Twitter bans/Blocks (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=new+york+post+hunter+biden+twitter+ban)
Babylon Bee twitter ban for calling Biological Men... Men. (https://www.google.com/search?q=babylon+bee+twitter+ban&client=firefox-b-d&sxsrf=ALiCzsZlilgKH4xczU0y-zM9lJIMF-d1Hg%3A1667070132675&ei=tHhdY9DhKLOGjuMPgYGYoAw&ved=0ahUKEwjQi8uYkIb7AhUzg2MGHYEABsQQ4dUDCA4&uact=5&oq=babylon+bee+twitter+ban&gs_lcp=Cgxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAQAzoKCAAQRxDWBBCwAzoICAA QCBAHEB46BggAEAgQHjoFCAAQhgNKBAhBGABKBAhGGABQ3wNYl hdg2hhoAXABeACAAckBiAGPEJIBBjAuMTAuMZgBAKABAcgBCMA BAQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp)
The Wuhan Lab Leak was a little more subtle on Twitter (https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/1/31/21115589/coronavirus-wuhan-china-myths-hoaxes-facebook-social-media-tiktok-twitter-wechat)

Now - there's some receipts for you.

And here's the Rub - the fact you haven't seen or heard of it is the very issue. It was banned/blocked/hidden/memory-holed before you knew about it.


On Twitter "Hunter Biden's laptop" would be an indicator that confirms we have an idiot in the conversation. I'd block the fuckwit there and then. Other such indicators are 'Soros' and 'woke'. You see those, you know there's no hope.

As for virus misinformation, I have no idea where you got that. I believe virus misinformation might be the cause of Mad Marge's banning. She was perpetuating the "hoax' theory, plus pushing anti virus theories, anti mask, and all sorts of insane rubbish. All while over a million of her fellow citizens were dying. This is the woman that said the Californian forest fires were started by Jewish lasers from outer space. Of course the Republicans are suggesting she might make a good Vice President. She can barely speak English.

Regardless of how much you want to bury your head in the sand - there are issues that have a factual basis. Just like the 'Pornography in schools' discussion we had a few pages back. The story that you read (and accepted as 'true') was omitting certain highly salient points to convince you that the claim from the other side was absurd.

Same with the Hunter Biden Laptop, same with the discussion on Gender Ideology, Same with Covid.

When one side has the power to artificially restrict points of view (and especially points of view that have a factual basis) - then you get a highly skewed perspective.

This is why Freedom of Speech (which includes Hate Speech, Offensive speech etc.) is critical to the proper functioning of society.


Before you start commenting on Twitter I'd suggest you spend some time there. While it is still functioning.

I dunno - I remember I think 5 years ago, back in 2017 when I was making the claim that Twitter's ToS had a specific Left-wing bias - and I was ridiculed.

As has been happening with glorious frequency - Time is being exceptionally vindicating.

[TheDemonLord]

You are talking about truth social right?

I think it is hilarious that Musk has taken over twitter, but for different reasons to you, obviously.
Musk is so thin skinned, he could not handle his offer of a submarine being rejected he resorted to calling the guy a pedo. I bet he scrubs twitter of any mean tweets about him lol

Well, we'll see. Elon certainly appeals to my Chaotic leanings - the fact he walked into the Twitter HQ with an actual Sink is just the type of Trolling IRL that I love.

And if it makes you happy - many people who otherwise like Elon have pointed out many times that he would make a perfect Bond Villain....


If trump does not come back, twitter will ultimately and very likely eat itself.
And i could not care less.

If Twitter does itself, it might be good for the world.


Trumps dilemma however is an amusing one. Rejoin twitter to hook up with his former 60 million followers, tacitly acknowledging truth social is the turd that it is, or just stick with truth social and retain his severely limited exposure and go down with the slowly sinking ship. Poor orange turd :laugh:

Are you sitting down?

I actually agree with the essence of this statement. To rejoin Twitter would be to tacitly acknowledge it's superiority to his own brand.

[TheDemonLord]

Haha, musk has purchased a money pit. He is already 200 million down paying out the execs he fired. Wow he really showed them :laugh:

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/28/tech/elon-musk-twitter-golden-parachutes/index.html

I can't remember where it was I saw it - might have been a YT video - where someone did a comparison for what Money is like for the Ultra Wealthy like Musk.

Him buying Twitter for $44 Billion is the equivalent of You and I buying a new, nice car - like a $60-70K car.

So $200 Million is like a really fancy restaurant dinner for him.

And we know that Twitter is a money pit - it's never turned a profit, it's been propped up by people with lots of Cash.

If one were feeling conspiratorial - one might go so far as to say it was propped up by people who had an interest in controlling the flow of information...

[pritch]

Did someone say Hunter Biden’s Laptop...



Somebody might buy the book. 'A fool and his money are soon parted.' I've often wondered about books aimed at the MAGA crowd, it's not as if they are big on reading.

There are multiple interviews on YouTube with the computer tech who handed the laptop to the authorities. In one of them he says he saw something that he thought might be a security concern, so he handed the laptop to the authorities. They evidently didn't consider it of concern.

Never heard of anybody getting banned from Twitter for mentioning the HB laptop.

I did see reference to a banning yesterday. Somebody was attacking a trans person. People reported the attack to Twitter, they replied that the attack breached their rules and they had closed the account.

To get tossed off Twitter you need to be pretty bad. A 24hr or seven day spell of limited access seems more normal, this is referred to as being in Twitmo. Seemingly this can be easily had. Although I've no personal experience.

The only comment I've seen about different behaviour under the new ownership is that reportedly the N word is now being used freely. I haven't seen it, the algorithm evidently doesn't think I'll be interested.

[TheDemonLord]

There are multiple interviews on YouTube with the computer tech who handed the laptop to the authorities. In one of them he says he saw something that he thought might be a security concern, so he handed the laptop to the authorities. They evidently didn't consider it of concern.

The very same partisan Anti-Trump FBI...

I wonder why they didn't think it was much of a Concern...


Never heard of anybody getting banned from Twitter for mentioning the HB laptop.

The New York Post.


I did see reference to a banning yesterday. Somebody was attacking a trans person. People reported the attack to Twitter, they replied that the attack breached their rules and they had closed the account.

I'm guessing that the 'attack' was to point to biological reality.

Apparently saying a Man, despite cosmetic therapy - hormone therapy - and any N number of medical interventions, is still a Man is wrong...


To get tossed off Twitter you need to be pretty bad. A 24hr or seven day spell of limited access seems more normal, this is referred to as being in Twitmo. Seemingly this can be easily had. Although I've no personal experience.

The only comment I've seen about different behaviour under the new ownership is that reportedly the N word is now being used freely. I haven't seen it, the algorithm evidently doesn't think I'll be interested.

I could also bring up the Tim Poole/Jack Dorsey interview with Joe Rogan a while back where they talked about some of the more high-profile bannings.

[pritch]

I mentioned Mad Marge being booted off Twitter. In case I confused anybody, they closed her personal account, she still has her Congressional account. Yesterday she tweeted, "Impeach Biden." She omitted to mention which particular high crimes or misdemeanours he has allegedly committed. Mind you history suggests if she tried to send a longer message than just two words she'd almost certainly fuck it up.

[sugilite]

Well Jack Dorsey certainly has start up experience.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-finalized-twitter-deal-195424178.html

[Berries]

What is Twitter?

[Laava]

It's the bit between the twat and the shitter

[nerrrd]

Twitter just seems like the internet's version of talkback radio to me – entertaining, but ultimately too shallow to take seriously.

Journalists and politicians do seem to like it, though.

[R650R]

Twitter just seems like the internet's version of talkback radio to me – entertaining, but ultimately too shallow to take seriously.

Journalists and politicians do seem to like it, though.

Just like talkback radio the “host” gets to cut out opinions they don’t like.

It always makes me laugh when people run down talkback. Straight away it tells me that’s a person who lives in a bubble and doesn’t like hearing others point of view. Sure some hosts have agenda and hard to listen too but for most part you get to hear a good cross section of what society is thinking. Pity is most of astute minds and good ideas come out late which you won’t hear unless your shift worker or up very late.

[nerrrd]

Just like talkback radio the “host” gets to cut out opinions they don’t like.

It always makes me laugh when people run down talkback. Straight away it tells me that’s a person who lives in a bubble and doesn’t like hearing others point of view. Sure some hosts have agenda and hard to listen too but for most part you get to hear a good cross section of what society is thinking. Pity is most of astute minds and good ideas come out late which you won’t hear unless your shift worker or up very late.

Not running it down, talkback has been keeping me company for decades, but anyone who listens to it for any length of time knows that your 'cross-section' is actually a few first time callers sprinkled among a pool of regular callers. And those callers aren't ringing in for a discussion, they just want to hear that others agree with their point of view.

[TheDemonLord]

Not running it down, talkback has been keeping me company for decades, but anyone who listens to it for any length of time knows that your 'cross-section' is actually a few first time callers sprinkled among a pool of regular callers. And those callers aren't ringing in for a discussion, they just want to hear that others agree with their point of view.

Sounds like KB....

[nerrrd]

Sounds like KB....

At least on here you can go into (vast amounts of) detail...if you want to. :laugh:

Minds have to be open in the first place, though, which most of those motivated enough to call talkback (or tweet, I presume) aren't.*

* or post on KB.

[pritch]

Life can be tough in the US tech sector. Apparently Musk is making good on his promise to trim the staff at Twitter. How the affected staff find out is when they go to log in to their work lap top they see they’ve been locked out. Brutal.

[sugilite]

Fun fact, the free speech loving saudis are the 2nd largest stake holders in twitter after musk.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/10/28/saudis-kingdom-holding-company-to-maintain-twitter-stake#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16675907323759&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aljazeera.com%2Fnews%2F 2022%2F10%2F28%2Fsaudis-kingdom-holding-company-to-maintain-twitter-stake

[pritch]

Fun fact, the free speech loving saudis are the 2nd largest stake holders in twitter after musk.


It would seem Musk doesn't "get" the concept of free speech. Nor, it seems, does he understand Twitter. One of his own tweets had an advisory attached. (Shown below.)

If advertisers stop advertising on Twitter that's them actually operating a form of free speech. It's nothing to do with activists as he claims. The free speech he advocates for, will too often be hate speech. Use of the N word reportedly jumped 500% the day Musk took over as the knuckle dragging element on Twitter exercised their new freedom. Most advertisers will not want their ads placed next to hate speech.

Musk supporters say that checkmark accounts should just pay the $8.00 and shut up. They pay Netflix don't they? When you pay Netflix you are paying for the content Netflix created. On Twitter it's the users who create the content. Big difference.

Be interesting to see, as the dust from the mass layoffs settles, if he kept enough of the right staff to keep the place running smoothly. Some states (and countries?) have laws covering redundancies. Legal actions are already kicking off.

Please pass the popcorn.

[husaberg]

It would seem Musk doesn't "get" the concept of free speech. Nor, it seems, does he understand Twitter. One of his own tweets had an advisory attached. (Shown below.)

If advertisers stop advertising on Twitter that's them actually operating a form of free speech. It's nothing to do with activists as he claims. The free speech he advocates for, will too often be hate speech. Use of the N word reportedly jumped 500% the day Musk took over as the knuckle dragging element on Twitter exercised their new freedom. Most advertisers will not want their ads placed next to hate speech.

Musk supporters say that checkmark accounts should just pay the $8.00 and shut up. They pay Netflix don't they? When you pay Netflix you are paying for the content Netflix created. On Twitter it's the users who create the content. Big difference.

Be interesting to see, as the dust from the mass layoffs settles, if he kept enough of the right staff to keep the place running smoothly. Some states (and countries?) have laws covering redundancies. Legal actions are already kicking off.

Please pass the popcorn.
...........

Musk.... Even though nothing has changed with content moderation and we did everything we could to appease the activists


Back in reality
Twitter shut off employee access to certain content moderation and policy enforcement tools, prompting workers to cite concerns about misinformation ahead of the U.S. midterm elections. And as a part of the layoffs today, Twitter eliminated its curation team, which was responsible for providing factual context — and corrections, if necessary — to trending terms and conversations on the platform.

Even though nothing has changed with content moderatiom lol



Musk has little choice but to make good with Twitter’s sponsors. His deal to buy the company included making Twitter take on $13 billion in debt from banks, which means the social network will owe about $1 billion a year in interest payments.

[mashman]

https://www.businessinsider.com/read-blunt-email-telling-twitter-staff-jobs-axed-layoffs-2022-11

One of the supposed letters sent. Same vane as the non-employees who pretended they'd just been fired? Meh... businessmen gonna do what businessmen gotta do.

"Today is your last working day at the company, however, you will remain employed by Twitter and will receive compensation and benefits through your separation date of February 2, 2023.

During this time, you will be on a Non-Working Notice period and your access to Twitter systems will be deactivated. While you are not expected to work during the Non-Working Notice period, you are still required to comply with all company policies, including the Employee Playbook and Code of Conduct."

Working for free and getting paid for it... yet still bitchin' about it :killingme

[Berries]

I don't do twitter, KB is the extent of my social media engagement, so what do all these workers do? Presumably there is some software that allows someone to log on and have there 140 word wank and then someone else can comment on it? Struggling to see the difference from this place to be honest, apart from the scale which impacts advertising revenue and gets Elton interested.

Do they get paid to simply read the internet all day?

Where do I apply?

#lookatme #lookatme #lookatme

[pritch]

I don't do twitter, KB is the extent of my social media engagement, so what do all these workers do? Presumably there is some software that allows someone to log on and have there 140 word wank and then someone else can comment on it? Struggling to see the difference from this place to be honest, apart from the scale which impacts advertising revenue and gets Elton interested.

Do they get paid to simply read the internet all day?

Where do I apply?

#lookatme #lookatme #lookatme

I check Twitter most days. There's good and bad. Most of the time it's just scrolling past stuff of only minimal interest. There are though people who post matters of interest, either because they are in a position to know, because they have a way with words, because they are amusing, or whatever.

It can be a sewer. It seems women with a profile can be subjected to savage attacks. Alternatively there can be lots of pics of puppies and cats and I just keep scrolling.

Most of the English speaking MotoGP journos post on Twitter, as do some riders. Alex Briggs, formerly mechanic for Doohan and Rossi used to post regularly, giving a unique view from inside the paddock.

Musk currently reminds me of Auckland's new Mayor Brown who was demanding people and groups resign before he had any clue as to what their function was. Similarly Musk is making statements and behaving in ways that suggest he really doesn't understand what Twitter is. If he fucks it up something else will replace it. We shouldn't have to wait too long to find out.

[Berries]

The best thing I could find on t'twitter - #proper food (https://twitter.com/panoparker/status/1587892298410446848?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1587892298410446848%7Ctwgr% 5Eb1b896bb0d5bba7725b07968acbf6df4967dc068%7Ctwcon %5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Fuk-england-bristol-63513997)

[R650R]

Life can be tough in the US tech sector. Apparently Musk is making good on his promise to trim the staff at Twitter. How the affected staff find out is when they go to log in to their work lap top they see they’ve been locked out. Brutal.

Prob a standard procedure for IT security in such a big bouyout takeover situation. Disaffected employees could sabotage or delete incriminating evidence.

Funny you’d think a culling of the herd would be much more accepted in a commie/socialist enclave like twitter... cancel culture just got cancelled and they don’t like it lol

[R650R]

I don't do twitter, KB is the extent of my social media engagement, so what do all these workers do? Presumably there is some software that allows someone to log on and have there 140 word wank and then someone else can comment on it? Struggling to see the difference from this place to be honest, apart from the scale which impacts advertising revenue and gets Elton interested.

Do they get paid to simply read the internet all day?

Where do I apply?

#lookatme #lookatme #lookatme

It’s 140 characters. Hence why complex social and political issues get dumbed down into out of context soundbite type representations. Prob the key cause of division in society as people think there are only pro or anti options on any issue.

[pritch]

The best thing I could find on t'twitter -

There's a thing on Facebook it might be called Football food. People photograph a meal that they purchased at the game and give the price. Some are shockers. From the UK a "hot dog" consisting of a frank in a dry bun. No butter, no mustard, no sauce, nothing. For six quid. There was a similar one from France of all places. One of the best one I've seen was a pulled pork meal from the Cake Tin in Wellington. There was a nice roast lamb with roast potatoes and Yorkshire pud from the UK too. Those were about twenty bucks but you were getting something for your money.

Twitter is handy if you are stuck in a holding pattern somewhere, like in a Doctors waiting room. There's no magazines anymore - 'cause germs. Twitter to the rescue.

[pritch]

It’s 140 characters. Has been 240 for years.

[Berries]

People photograph a meal that they purchased at the game and give the price.
Yeah, figured it was full of the important stuff.

[TheDemonLord]

Life can be tough in the US tech sector. Apparently Musk is making good on his promise to trim the staff at Twitter. How the affected staff find out is when they go to log in to their work lap top they see they’ve been locked out. Brutal.

Not as brutal as you think. If someone is fired on bad terms, the first thing you do is immediately lock out any and all access that they have.

That's to limit:

1: The damage a pissed off staff member could potentially do
2: The Liability for them to be blamed for something

[TheDemonLord]

It would seem Musk doesn't "get" the concept of free speech. Nor, it seems, does he understand Twitter. One of his own tweets had an advisory attached. (Shown below.)

If advertisers stop advertising on Twitter that's them actually operating a form of free speech. It's nothing to do with activists as he claims. The free speech he advocates for, will too often be hate speech. Use of the N word reportedly jumped 500% the day Musk took over as the knuckle dragging element on Twitter exercised their new freedom. Most advertisers will not want their ads placed next to hate speech.


No, that is called 'The Hecklers Veto':

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler%27s_veto


Freedom of speech, on campuses and elsewhere, is rendered meaningless if speakers can be shouted down by those who disagree. The law is well established that the government can act to prevent a heckler’s veto -- to prevent the reaction of the audience from silencing the speaker. There is simply no 1st Amendment right to go into an auditorium and prevent a speaker from being heard, no matter who the speaker is or how strongly one disagrees with his or her message.


Musk supporters say that checkmark accounts should just pay the $8.00 and shut up. They pay Netflix don't they? When you pay Netflix you are paying for the content Netflix created. On Twitter it's the users who create the content. Big difference.

Checkmark status currently is 'reserved' for high profile account, All of whom could easily afford $8. So why the complaint from Multi-Millionaires about an $8 charge?

Because the regular person can also afford $8 and when the regular people no longer have the same status as the 'elites' with their special marks, noting them for their prominence, they will loose their status symbol.

"When everyone is special, no one is"

I'd say that's a far more likely reason than saying someone who earned $500K a year, can't afford $8 a month.


Be interesting to see, as the dust from the mass layoffs settles, if he kept enough of the right staff to keep the place running smoothly. Some states (and countries?) have laws covering redundancies. Legal actions are already kicking off.

Please pass the popcorn.

We will indeed see.

[sugilite]

Elon the thinskinned has banned a comedian for impersonating him, even though her handle was still showing.
if she had impersonated say a certain cave rescue expert, she probably would of earned a cheeky Elon response. As she impersonated him, banned!
https://www.foxbusiness.com/entertainment/twitter-suspends-kathy-griffins-account-impersonating-elon-musk.amp

"Despite her handle showing her own @kathygriffin name, the moniker by her blue checkmark said "Elon Musk" "

[TheDemonLord]

Elon the thinskinned has banned a comedian for impersonating him, even though her handle was still showing.
if she had impersonated say a certain cave rescue expert, she probably would of earned a cheeky Elon response. As she impersonated him, banned!
https://www.foxbusiness.com/entertainment/twitter-suspends-kathy-griffins-account-impersonating-elon-musk.amp

"Despite her handle showing her own @kathygriffin name, the moniker by her blue checkmark said "Elon Musk" "

I'll admit, I'm conflicted on this one - on the one hand, the policy is completely reasonable - if you have a Blue Check mark and change your name, people will be mislead (and Kathy Griffin isn't funny)

However, after the hilarity that was Justice Dankula and when he impersonated a British Peer, I will kinda miss it...

[sugilite]

I think he is in training to become a politician.

[R650R]

The $8 fee is to weed out bots and fake accounts as will be too hard if they need seperate credit card numbers. It’s well known that click farms staffed by peasant salve labour in India sell likes and followers. From memory you could buy 1000 Facebook/Twitter “likes/followers” for about $80.
I seen it in real time with a photographer dude who went overnight from about 7 followers (mum, dad, auntie couple mates etc) that is usual for a new account overnight to 10,007 followers where it stagnated and never grew much from.
The left (and prob right) has routinely used these facilities to make certain agendas look like issue of the day....

[mashman]

Elon the thinskinned has banned a comedian for impersonating him, even though her handle was still showing.
if she had impersonated say a certain cave rescue expert, she probably would of earned a cheeky Elon response. As she impersonated him, banned!
https://www.foxbusiness.com/entertainment/twitter-suspends-kathy-griffins-account-impersonating-elon-musk.amp

"Despite her handle showing her own @kathygriffin name, the moniker by her blue checkmark said "Elon Musk" "

"Going forward, any Twitter handles engaging in impersonation without clearly specifying ‘parody’ will be permanently suspended," he wrote Sunday night.

"Previously, we issued a warning before suspension, but now that we are rolling out widespread verification, there will be no warning. This will be clearly identified as a condition for signing up to Twitter Blue."

Perhaps people will think twice about trying to change their name to test the rule in future. It's an easy task to automate. Click save and the rule triggers a ban. Company policy completely depersonalised lol. People pointing the finger at any individual need their head read... or an IT course or something.

[husaberg]

"Going forward, any Twitter handles engaging in impersonation without clearly specifying ‘parody’ will be permanently suspended," he wrote Sunday night.

"Previously, we issued a warning before suspension, but now that we are rolling out widespread verification, there will be no warning. This will be clearly identified as a condition for signing up to Twitter Blue."

Perhaps people will think twice about trying to change their name to test the rule in future. It's an easy task to automate. Click save and the rule triggers a ban. Company policy completely depersonalised lol. People pointing the finger at any individual need their head read... or an IT course or something.

Really Mashy the individual that got their panties in knot was the one parodied. they were the one that instigated the ban that's why they also made sure to let the public know why it happened. that why it says "GOING FORWARD"
But it maters not he owns the platform he can do a he wishes (within the laws)
But rest assured people if they don't like his platform will vote with their feet as will the advertisers.

Musk had to buy twitter as she couldn't back out. it was before the courts


its losing over 4 us million dollars a day or over 3 billion a year and he paid 44 billion for it that he needs to pay back.
on top of all of this he's alienated a lot of people that pay to advertise on the platform.
on top of this hes secured the deal borrowing directly against his tesla stock which has plummeted losing him 30 billion dollars and counting


Even after the SEC fined Musk $20 million for posting an allegedly misleading tweet about his plan to take Tesla private, Musk continued to push the limits of his settlement by posting unauthorized tweets — a risk the world’s richest man could afford to take.

So when Musk changed his mind about buying Twitter, many believed he would somehow get out of it, even if his legal justification seemed flimsy. But this time, Musk didn’t get out of it. That’s because, in large part, of the Delaware Court of Chancery, the business court overseeing Twitter’s lawsuit against Musk.

On October 3, Musk's legal team informed Twitter that Musk had changed his mind and decided to move forward with his proposed acquisition at the originally agreed-upon price of $54.20 per share, on the condition that Twitter drop its lawsuit.The reason for this reversal was attributed to concerns from Musk's team that they would not be able to prove that there was a material adverse effect justifying a break from contract

if he had the world would have seen more of his texts to his mates
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/09/elon-musk-texts-twitter-trial-jack-dorsey/671619/

[mashman]

FTX: Cryptocurrency giant Binance walks away from bailout (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-63577783)

lollies... coz crypto is gonna produce a financial system that works. We're doooooooooomed, doooooooooomed I tell ye.

[R650R]

https://youtu.be/WoG3e7MI34Q

[mashman]

Bankman-Fried Warns: Some Crypto Exchanges Already “Secretly Insolvent” (back in June) (https://www.forbes.com/sites/stevenehrlich/2022/06/28/bankman-fried-some-crypto-exchanges-already-secretly-insolvent)

"But, despite the generous bailouts, not even Bankman-Fried is able, or willing, to throw good money after bad in perpetuity. “There are companies that are basically too far gone and it's not practical to backstop them for reasons like a substantial hole in the balance sheet, regulatory issues, or that there is not much of a business left to be saved,” says Bankman-Fried, who declined to name any specific crypto exchanges."

"Despite the carnage, Bankman-Fried tells Forbes that FTX remains profitable and has been for the past 10 quarters. FTX’s biggest rival Coinbase lost $432 million in the first quarter of 2022 and its stock is down almost 90% from its all-time high."

Oh the Lol-lies that people tell themselves and the papers and so on. Suddenly his surname takes on a whole new meaning.

[pritch]

Elon Musk has realised he is destroying Twitter and that its demise is imminent. He is looking for a new CEO to run the company. He will need to find one who hasn't read what it's like to work with him. Things like getting an angry call at 3.00AM, "I'm at the office, where are you?"

That has the ring of truth since his immediate solution to the problems he has caused at Twitter is to sleep in the office so he can cause problems 24/7.
https://www.techspot.com/news/96653-elon-musk-fires-twitter-engineer-arguing-publicly.html?fbclid=IwAR0X0_E8ZMYdD--xRqRAOwC4uBsjypOtZb9SonSeQ6NVAOILB9tGF_-uB5A

[onearmedbandit]

Well as much as I think Elon's an idiot at times it's hardly surprising that one of the most driven individuals has high expectations of those around him and employed by him...

[TheDemonLord]

Well as much as I think Elon's an idiot at times it's hardly surprising that one of the most driven individuals has high expectations of those around him and employed by him...

My thoughts as well, Steve Jobs springs to mind as well.

[sugilite]

One just needs to make up their mind if it is worth working for such a person.

[sugilite]

Elon thinskin is at it again.
Mr freedom of speech is now sacking staff for dissing him in private chats. What a fucking joke.
At this point im quite certain he just purchased twitter in order to destroy it slowly, like pulling the wings off a fly.
A weird dude to be sure.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/elon-musk-fires-more-twitter-staff-after-spying-on-private-slack-chats/news-story/11dc62851bb5cf125078eec65b47f377

[Laava]

Fuck, I hope he doesnt get posting on here!

[TheDemonLord]

Elon thinskin is at it again.
Mr freedom of speech is now sacking staff for dissing him in private chats. What a fucking joke.
At this point im quite certain he just purchased twitter in order to destroy it slowly, like pulling the wings off a fly.
A weird dude to be sure.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/elon-musk-fires-more-twitter-staff-after-spying-on-private-slack-chats/news-story/11dc62851bb5cf125078eec65b47f377

When you've got a Cancerous growth, you've gotta cut it all out, or it will grow back.

Also, when it comes to Corporate, there is no such thing as a Private Chat, Corporate 101.

[husaberg]

Elon thinskin is at it again.
Mr freedom of speech is now sacking staff for dissing him in private chats. What a fucking joke.
At this point im quite certain he just purchased twitter in order to destroy it slowly, like pulling the wings off a fly.
A weird dude to be sure.

https://www.news.com.au/finance/work/at-work/elon-musk-fires-more-twitter-staff-after-spying-on-private-slack-chats/news-story/11dc62851bb5cf125078eec65b47f377

Yeah all freedom of speech until they point out he's wrong or say something he doesn't like....
when you look through his messages he had to release as part of the twitter case, he like to surround himself with sycophants.

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2022/09/elon-musk-texts-twitter-trial-jack-dorsey/671619/

here is the full conversation, musk is a tosser

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAKIwXDuKrY

[pritch]

Well as much as I think Elon's an idiot at times it's hardly surprising that one of the most driven individuals has high expectations of those around him and employed by him...

I'm not sure if he's "driven" or just in need of professional help. Mental health professionals I mean.

He paid 44 Billion for a functioning business. The 44 Billion was considered too much for a business that had never made a profit, but he immediately crippled it. Currently the office is closed, staff can't access the building. Twitter may have only hours to go.

A New Zealand employment lawyer is quoted in todays paper as saying what Musk did at Twitter would not be legal in this country. Actually, much of what he's done is not legal in the US either.

[husaberg]

I'm not sure if he's "driven" or just in need of professional help. Mental health professionals I mean.

He paid 44 Billion for a functioning business. The 44 Billion was considered too much for a business that had never made a profit, but he immediately crippled it. Currently the office is closed, staff can't access the building. Twitter may have only hours to go.

A New Zealand employment lawyer is quoted in todays paper as saying what Musk did at Twitter would not be legal in this country. Actually, much of what he's done is not legal in the US either.

Musks plans for the business might not be so much about free speech as much as mining peoples info and using that to market his businesses
Also



48% of Users Turn to Twitter to Get the Latest News#
In the U.S., it turns out the main reason for using Twitter is to get news

[pritch]

Musks plans for the business might not be so much about free speech as much as mining peoples info and using that to market his businesses
Also

There won't be anything to mine. Twitter was still up this morning when I checked so that's a win.

Here's a couple of worthy tweets:

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I'm not sure if he's "driven" or just in need of professional help. Mental health professionals I mean.

He paid 44 Billion for a functioning business. The 44 Billion was considered too much for a business that had never made a profit, but he immediately crippled it. Currently the office is closed, staff can't access the building. Twitter may have only hours to go.

A New Zealand employment lawyer is quoted in todays paper as saying what Musk did at Twitter would not be legal in this country. Actually, much of what he's done is not legal in the US either.

Different country, different laws, your not even entitled to annual leave so you have to negotiate holidays,

In the US, you don't need a reason to fire anyone, it's a true capitalist system or country.

When Twitter went public on the sharemarket in 2011ish it had around 1000 employees, when Musk purchased it, it had 7000, and still ran at a loss, I reckon less than 1000 can run the Twitter app, I use for business and trading , I find it's running slightly better? Will see.

He'll, when the previous CEO was appointed, he took 3 months of for maternal leave or something like that!

That place was a joke!!

I have purchased and sold businesses before, you come in, clean it out, break it up ,then sell it off, similar to what NZ wealthiest man does Grame Hart .

Also, he didn't spend 44billion , much of this came from other billionaire bros and investment firms

I look forward to Twitter destroying mainstream media and there left woke ideology sponsored politicians.

Oh what a day! What a glorious day!!

[pritch]

In the US, you don't need a reason to fire anyone, it's a true capitalist system or country.


That's not true.

Each state has it's own laws. The broke arsed southern states have what they call "right to work" laws which basically means no unions. There you can be instantly fired for no reason. The civilised states require notice of redundancies, six weeks in California I think. Obviously that wasn't complied with.

Systems engineers etc are not fast food workers, there is the small matter of contracts. Many of the people at Twitter will be on contracts and their contracts will have clauses about notice of termination. None of which was compiled with.

Lawyers are already offering their services to the affected staff..

Musk's latest move was to offer long hours for no additional compensation, or termination with six weeks pay. He is probably shocked at the response. Many people are reportedly taking the money. Most of the Twitter crew have readily marketable skills with relevant experience, they shouldn't have too much trouble finding other work.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

That's not true.

Each state has it's own laws. The broke arsed southern states have what they call "right to work" laws which basically means no unions. There you can be instantly fired for no reason. The civilised states require notice of redundancies, six weeks in California I think. Obviously that wasn't complied with.

Systems engineers etc are not fast food workers, there is the small matter of contracts. Many of the people at Twitter will be on contracts and their contracts will have clauses about notice of termination. None of which was compiled with.

Lawyers are already offering their services to the affected staff..

Musk's latest move was to offer long hours for no additional compensation, or termination with six weeks pay. He is probably shocked at the response. Many people are reportedly taking the money. Most of the Twitter crew have readily marketable skills with relevant experience, they shouldn't have too much trouble finding other work.

Contracts were with the previous ownership, when you take over a company you rehire then rewrite a new contract, you start with a clean slate,it's a standard business take over what Musk is doing, I personally don't understand the uproar, many in NZ would have been through this process as an employee .

I can understand why the mainstream media is in an uproar, even Mike Hosking, there industry is under threat, this guy is destroying the internal combustion engine, landing rockets after shooting them into space, I'd be concerned if I was in the media industry.

As for long hours, it's expected if you work in any of his 4 companies that are worth multiple billions, If you don't want to work hard towards a goal, like he said, take 3 months pay and all the best.

He runs all these multi billion dollar companies, I think he knows what he's doing,

Just my own personal thoughts..

[husaberg]

There won't be anything to mine. Twitter was still up this morning when I checked so that's a win.

Here's a couple of worthy tweets:

Shame the ragan campain never took trump to court
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c1/Let%27s_Make_America_Great_Again_button.jpeg/1200px-Let%27s_Make_America_Great_Again_button.jpeghttps://ids.si.edu/ids/deliveryService?max_w=800&id=NMAH-AHB2017q021053

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBfzwycHOcYhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/CcPil3QVAAQL6iF?format=jpg&name=900x900

[R650R]

Most didn’t “work” much anyway....

Some of them were doing a total of four hours a week of actual work. The rest were doing right around 12. When told to do an actual 40, they could not handle it. The media is saying Twitter will die now but I disagree, because at 12 hours, 3.3 employees = 1 and at 4 hours, 10 employees = 1. that means that even if all employees put in a legit 12 hours Musk could cut 70.7 percent of the staff, receive a legit 40 from the rest and come out the same. When an enormous pile were doing even less than that, the 87 percent loss of staff (total) that resulted from the walkout could be made up for by having the remaining 13 percent work a little overtime. Humanity does not suck sufficiently for that to not work, 10 percent will be decent no matter what.

https://youtu.be/g-voQsFY6SE

[pritch]

He runs all these multi billion dollar companies, I think he knows what he's doing,

Just my own personal thoughts..

That's one view. My view is that he's a narcissistic spoiled rich kid playing with daddies money.

[R650R]

That's one view. My view is that he's a narcissistic spoiled rich kid playing with daddies money.

And his daddy is LKlaus Schwab.... Electric Jesus is a student of the World Economic Forum, he's shady alright.
All this comes at a time after the failed experiment of Greta Thugberg trying to cause uprisings over climate change.
Twitter will now front the move towards the grave new world of cashless society, owning nothing, staying at home being a slave to the machine. None of the new green agendas are workable without massive restrictions on our lifestyle choices.

[TheDemonLord]

That's one view. My view is that he's a narcissistic spoiled rich kid playing with daddies money.

Isn't it funny how everyone you don't like happens to fall into that category...

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Another way to look at it on some basic napkin numbers

If "They" as in this group of billionares, purchased Twitter at 44 bill, or $54 a share

From my experience in buying and selling companies,

-Increase usage (so far that's already happened)

-There going after You Tubes market share and content creators

-Digital payment app

-First FIFA world cup soccer game is being played live on Twitter, so there after the sports market

-Media would be the big one, if you go directly to Twitter for accurate , reliable and not oil owed news organisations that push there narrative

-Perhaps some other bonuses on this one stop Twitter app

If Twitter can build this over atleast 5 years, I could see it re listed publicly on the sharemarket/ in better financial conditions with lower interest rates

@ maybe $90 to $110 per share, so these original investors who are some of the wealthiest people and organisations in the world could be doubling there initial investment in 5/6 year's

It might not happen, but what Musk has achieved so far I wouldn't bet against it.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Another way to look at it on some basic napkin numbers

If "They" as in this group of billionares, purchased Twitter at 44 bill, or $54 a share

From my experience in buying and selling companies,

-Increase usage (so far that's already happened)

-There going after You Tubes market share and content creators

-Digital payment app

-First FIFA world cup soccer game is being played live on Twitter, so there after the sports market

-Media would be the big one, if you go directly to Twitter for accurate , reliable and not oil owed news organisations that push there narrative

-Perhaps some other bonuses on this one stop Twitter app

If Twitter can build this over atleast 5 years, I could see it re listed publicly on the sharemarket/ in better financial conditions with lower interest rates

@ maybe $90 to $110 per share, so these original investors who are some of the wealthiest people and organisations in the world could be doubling there initial investment in 5/6 year's

It might not happen, but what Musk has achieved so far I wouldn't bet against it.

If you think $90 to $110 is overpriced or unrealistic, Facebook is 100 per share and that platform is truly dieing!

[pete376403]

Most didn’t “work” much anyway....

Some of them were doing a total of four hours a week of actual work. The rest were doing right around 12. When told to do an actual 40, they could not handle it. The media is saying Twitter will die now but I disagree, because at 12 hours, 3.3 employees = 1 and at 4 hours, 10 employees = 1. that means that even if all employees put in a legit 12 hours Musk could cut 70.7 percent of the staff, receive a legit 40 from the rest and come out the same. When an enormous pile were doing even less than that, the 87 percent loss of staff (total) that reslted from the walkout could be made up for by having the remaining 13 percent work a little overtime. Humanity does not suck sufficiently for that to not work, 10 percent will be decent no matter what.

Thats the sort of logic an accountant would use, without giving thought to the varying skill levels . Maybe the ones doing four hours per week are / were the very good people who knew what they were doing and could get the results quickly, where the 12hour /day people wouldn't get the same results no matter how many hours they put in, and now that the skilled (but short hours) people have been "let go" theres even less chance the remainers will be able to get the results required.
As always, wait and see.

[pritch]

Having watched this clip I'm having trouble distinguishing the difference between Musk and a conman. Tesla stock is reputedly way overvalued and his investment in Twitter seems precarious. Developments should keep people interested until the next US election kicks off anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU7QM3MZ2Vs

[pritch]

Contracts were with the previous ownership, when you take over a company you rehire then rewrite a new contract, you start with a clean slate,it's a standard business take over what Musk is doing, I personally don't understand the uproar, many in NZ would have been through this process as an employee .


Apparently the contract Musk signed included two months severance pay. bonuses and stock options at pro rata rate. None of this was adhered to. If he looks at Twitter he should easily find lawyers drumming up business.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Mainstream media going ballistic on Musk!!

Let's see

Musks companies want to/

-2 to 3x the r.o.i on Twitter

-Internet widely available across formally isolated regions via space x

-Leading the A.I revolution

-Leading the E.V revolution

-Make life mutiplanetary via space x

And mainstream media's goal ... sell more newspapers ?

[husaberg]

Musk all hype little actual delivery of substance.

much like you


Teslas don't use cameras, they use a new technology in a micro chip called Dojo.

It's an artificial intelligence neural technology based off the human eye and it's ability to transfer it's information to the brain, the Dojo technology works in that way and is almost complete.

It's design will make it millions more times safer and faster than the human animal, were to slow to react to a motorcyclist pulling out from a blind spot, the technology will see through the blind spot.

It would most likely be about 2025 onwards before being accepted around the world and there governor road bodies.


This is pretty wrong
https://hackernoon.com/all-you-need-to-know-about-the-tesla-dojo-supercomputer


it uses old video data to train and still uses camera data for responses.


No

It uses Tesla vision, which like the human analysis's what it's looking at, Dojo is it's artificial intelligence neural systems, and makes the decision there and then .
.

Transitioning to Tesla Vision

We are continuing the transition to Tesla Vision, our camera-based Autopilot system. Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built from June 2022 for the New Zealand market now utilise our camera-based Tesla Vision, which relies on Tesla’s advanced suite of cameras and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot and related features.
Tesla's AI self-driving feature is made of neural networks which are trained on millions of video data so it can become better (remember the more data, the better the AI), and these millions of video data easily become big data and so using GPUs would be inefficient and distributed computing would be great but to train AI on data as big as millions of data videos which are updated daily you'd need a lot of computers as essentially distributed computing is just sharing processing work between a lot of computers and so tesla decided that building a supercomputer would be more efficient both tech-wise and cost-wise and so the Dojo supercomputer was born
The Dojo is a supercomputer built by tesla to train its AI deep neural networks and Machine Learning algorithms.
it goes smoothly the self-driving AI is taking note of its surroundings using an inbuilt camera and sending that video back to Tesla's servers so that data can be used to train it more and in so that way the more people who use the self-driving AI, the more it gets better.
Now back to the Dojo, in theory, when the video data gotten from the car is sent back to Tesla's servers, the Dojo supercomputer then gets hold of that data and uses it to train the neural network which powers the Tesla self-driving AI.
https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/support/...g-tesla-vision

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Apparently the contract Musk signed included two months severance pay. bonuses and stock options at pro rata rate. None of this was adhered to. If he looks at Twitter he should easily find lawyers drumming up business.

This doesn't make sense, why would the contracts not be adhered to if they were only just signed a couple of weeks ago?

They were offered severance pay of x amount of months should they leave, the stock options would be worthless because they would have atleast a 2 to 5 year time frame on them before they expire and would be Cashed in presuming if Twitter was profitable or not? Mainly from there own hard work, Original Tesla employees (5/10+ years ) have bought houses, some retired on there stock options, but it takes years.

Again what you posted didn't make sense, perhaps I'm reading it wrong then I apologize.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

So Musk just aloud Trump back on Twitter

...the uproar from media was deafening !

Those who bothered to vote on the Twitter poll had there say, all 15million of them, I believe those who are anti Trump will say the poll was rigged.

But just spending a short unscientific amount of time on Twitter, there are many that support him, could he be back as leader of the free world in 2024?

I doubt it...but isn’t this just democracy and free speech at play?

[pritch]

So Musk just aloud Trump back on Twitter



Trump can't go back to Twitter without killing off his own struggling "media empire." His presence on Truth Social is the only reason his followers are there. If he leaves it dies.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Trump can't go back to Twitter without killing off his own struggling "media empire." His presence on Truth Social is the only reason his followers are there. If he leaves it dies.


I agree, until his followers build back up into the 10s of millions, and "if" he makes another run for the White house, he will most likely leverage the Twitter platform to increase his profile and re election chances

You know he was actually once a smart businessman before he became the dreaded evil orange man.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

On the Twitter Trump poll

15 million voted

134 million viewed the poll/post

That's a lot of advertising revenue should companies want a piece of that action,

For comparison

This year's 2022 Super bowl L.A rams vs the Cincinnati Bengals , 2 fairly large markets had an audience of 99 million.

There's definitely money to be made on the Twitter platform if you know what your doing, I'm betting Musk does.

[husaberg]

On the Twitter Trump poll

15 million voted

.

And nearly exactly half of those voted against trump being reinstated.:facepalm:
prior to his removal he had 88 million followers.
trumps yesterdays news he couldnt even best Biden as a sitting president ffs....

[Laava]

I agree, until his followers build back up into the 10s of millions, and "if" he makes another run for the White house, he will most likely leverage the Twitter platform to increase his profile and re election chances

You know he was actually once a smart businessman before he became the dreaded evil orange man.

No he wasnt smart, he was and still is a conniving cheating conman with such a high profile that people fall for it. He has rat cunning and zero empathy. If you are impressed by that?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Thats the sort of logic an accountant would use, without giving thought to the varying skill levels . Maybe the ones doing four hours per week are / were the very good people who knew what they were doing and could get the results quickly, where the 12hour /day people wouldn't get the same results no matter how many hours they put in, and now that the skilled (but short hours) people have been "let go" theres even less chance the remainers will be able to get the results required.
As always, wait and see.

Twitter daily users has reached an all time high following Trump reinstatement to Twitter poll, it's likely to increase further following the FIFA soccer world cup, this could push the apps boundaries.

Seems to be running fine with staff cut from 7500 to 1000, I believe Musk brought some Tesla and Space X engineers to help with the programs/ I'm no tech junkie but they are most likely using high specific algorithms to replace the former dead weight employees that used to "work"(lol) there.

Just my own opinion, not necessarily fact.

[husaberg]

bahaha.......
#TwitterMigration
351884351885351886

[TheDemonLord]

No he wasnt smart, he was and still is a conniving cheating conman with such a high profile that people fall for it. He has rat cunning and zero empathy. If you are impressed by that?

Which is it?

Either he's Cunning (and therefore Smart) or he's not...

[pritch]

You know he was actually once a smart businessman before he became the dreaded evil orange man.

He ran a successful skating rink but that's a very low bar. Virtually every other business he has been involved with has failed. His books weren't written by him, and he bankrupted casinos. He had to pay out millions to people scammed by his fake university and his charity foundation was shut down by the state for operating illegally. I'm not sure where you get the smart businessman, unless you were listening to the gospel according to Trump.

[pritch]

Which is it?

Either he's Cunning (and therefore Smart) or he's not...

He's not actually intellectually handicapped but neither is he much above that level.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I'm not sure where you get the smart businessman, unless you were listening to the gospel according to Trump.

I'm not questioning your post nor doubting it, but he's worth 3.2 billion, that's a thousand million 3x, hence I class as a smart businessman, politician? Un sure, perhaps another term would change my mind.

Heck, if someone was worth 50mil, that's a successful businessman to me.

[pritch]

Twitter daily users has reached an all time high following Trump reinstatement to Twitter poll, it's likely to increase further following the FIFA soccer world cup, this could push the apps boundaries.

Seems to be running fine with staff cut from 7500 to 1000, I believe Musk brought some Tesla and Space X engineers to help with the programs/ I'm no tech junkie but they are most likely using high specific algorithms to replace the former dead weight employees that used to "work"(lol) there.

Just my own opinion, not necessarily fact.

Musk has been publishing Twitter user figures but these are regarded as suspect. People are leaving in droves.

Tech people have commented that Twitter will run until there's a problem, but there are now very few there capable of fixing complicated problems.

I'm not sure Musk even understands what Twitter is. He said he wanted to make it a subscription service like Netflix. There's a major difference. Netflix provides the content you are paying for, on Twitter it's the users who provide the content. Most will not pay for that privilege.

[pritch]

I'm not questioning your post nor doubting it, but he's worth 3.2 billion, that's a thousand million 3x, hence I class as a smart businessman, politician? Un sure, perhaps another term would change my mind.

Heck, if someone was worth 50mil, that's a successful businessman to me.

A smart businessman is one option. A Russian money laundering operation is another. There is serious doubt that he is a billionaire at all, let alone three times over.
When he tried to sue someone for saying he wasn't a billionaire he couldn't prove that he was. He lost the case.

His father left just shy of a billion so having a billion wouldn't even be particularly smart.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

He's not actually intellectually handicapped but neither is he much above that level.

He's the wealthiest man in history, a living genius and he's autistic, your highlight in life seems to bring you joy in knocking him,

(You probably don't realize this because nobody on this forum has told, but you and your friends anti Musk and anti everything posts reveal who you really are)

But I digress, Kiwi Biker is a public forum, and one should be encouraged to express how one genuinely feels inside, no matter how dark or disturbing one's soul maybe.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Musk has been publishing Twitter user figures but these are regarded as suspect. People are leaving in droves.

Tech people have commented that Twitter will run until there's a problem, but there are now very few there capable of fixing complicated problems.

I'm not sure Musk even understands what Twitter is. He said he wanted to make it a subscription service like Netflix. There's a major difference. Netflix provides the content you are paying for, on Twitter it's the users who provide the content. Most will not pay for that privilege.

No

Your a biker

He's the wealthiest man in history

He runs 5 multi billion dollar companies

You ride a motorcycle, a very nice expensive one no doubt.

[mashman]

A brief series of tweets by some fella describing Musks current "Whaling and Culling" was a darned fine explanation of what's taking place. This sort of thing happens before, during and after almost every merger/structural reorganisation. Why peeps are so surprised given the wealth of knowledge about how things work is just a little bit silly really.

In terms of twitter crapping out. lollies... outwith potential hardware issues (getting a good load test at the moment innit), twitters core service i.e the software running the gossip section, has been bulletproof for a very long time. Why anyone would think otherwise is the ssme reason why a/p's should rule the world.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

A smart businessman is one option. A Russian money laundering operation is another. There is serious doubt that he is a billionaire at all, let alone three times over.
When he tried to sue someone for saying he wasn't a billionaire he couldn't prove that he was. He lost the case.

His father left just shy of a billion so having a billion wouldn't even be particularly smart.

And this is what Musk is trying to develop at Twitter, a platform that promotes actual facts, not made up ones depending on ones political leanings, or if they believe 95% of the b.s that comes out of mainstream media.

Personally I'm no fan of Trump, but for many Americans, it was choose your poison between him or Hillary, factual media not dictated by left or right would help one decide, but there's so much b.s , it's impossible to differentiate fact from fiction, 130 million viewed Musks Twitter poll on Trump, 15 million voted in a tight result, the people have spoken, truth prevails, just like when Trump lost re election.

Why can't all internet information be factual,that represents both sides of the political spectrum?All Our local media is 100% politically aligned to Labour or National

It certainly would make it easier who you choose to run your country.

[husaberg]

He's the wealthiest man in history, a living genius and he's autistic, your highlight in life seems to bring you joy in knocking him,

(You probably don't realize this because nobody on this forum has told, but you and your friends anti Musk and anti everything posts reveal who you really are)

But I digress, Kiwi Biker is a public forum, and one should be encouraged to express how one genuinely feels inside, no matter how dark or disturbing one's soul maybe.




I'm not questioning your post nor doubting it, but he's worth 3.2 billion, that's a thousand million 3x, hence I class as a smart businessman, politician? Un sure, perhaps another term would change my mind.

Heck, if someone was worth 50mil, that's a successful businessman to me.

You are a bit confused at the difference between trump and Musk
Hilarious........

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

You are a bit confused at the difference between trump and Musk
Hilarious........

I'm sorry husaberg my old friend, I know I can be a bit much at times, perhaps I'm confusing you, my mind moves very fast at times and sometimes I get ahead of my posts not realizing I'm probably rambling!

Musk owns 5 multi billion dollar companies, he owns others but it's these 5 that represents the majority his wealth of around 190 billion dollars

Tesla
SpaceX
Neuralink
The Boring company
Twitter

Trump is worth 3.2 billion, I don't know what companies he owns, I just did a quick google search on his net worth.

Hope this makes sense! Don't forget to give me another red Xmas tree light, I really love how you decorated my profile avatar all red!

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Musk owns 5 multi billion dollar companies, he owns others but it's these 5 that represents the majority his wealth of around 190 billion dollars

Tesla
SpaceX
Neuralink
The Boring company
Twitter




Here's an interesting yet pointless opinion of mine,

I highly doubt Musk would list all these 5 companies on the sharemarket as one single massive conglomerate

This would bring investors in and most likely push his wealth to unholy God levels over time, possibly in the multiple trillions, this is not good for a single man to be worth this much, government would come down on him with everything they have to break up this theoretical empire

Unless he decides to live the remainder of his days on Mars which is a goal of his, perhaps he wants to own his own planet! He's definitely ....different?

[husaberg]

perhaps I'm confusing you, my mind moves very fast at times and sometimes I get ahead of my posts not realizing I'm probably rambling!Don't forget to give me another red Xmas tree light, I really love how you decorated my profile avatar all red!


You are not confusing me, your own shitposting is all wrong and confused.
PS if you troll post for attention, don't then moan when you get repp'd with attention that troll posting deserves.

[Berries]

Here's an interesting yet pointless opinion of mine,
Nah, really?

[TheDemonLord]

Trump can't go back to Twitter without killing off his own struggling "media empire." His presence on Truth Social is the only reason his followers are there. If he leaves it dies.

There is no reason why he can't be on both.

The rise of alternative platforms because of dissatisfaction of the main players has shown that an individual can be successfully active across multiple domains. Many Youtubers will have a Twitter account, a Gab account, a Minds account etc. Some of them upload to Youtube, Locals, Rumble etc.

What would be wise would be to distinguish between the two platforms - for Truth Social, knowing the audience, would be to post content that is more likely to appeal to that market segment (more Right Wing, more individualist, more American exceptionalism, more Free Speech etc.) and for Twitter to concentrate on the messaging that has wider appeal - such as Inflation or the Border failure.

[pritch]

He's the wealthiest man in history, a living genius and he's autistic, your highlight in life seems to bring you joy in knocking him,

(You probably don't realize this because nobody on this forum has told, but you and your friends anti Musk and anti everything posts reveal who you really are)

But I digress, Kiwi Biker is a public forum, and one should be encouraged to express how one genuinely feels inside, no matter how dark or disturbing one's soul maybe.

Umm I wasn't referring to Musk. You may recall we were discussing Trump.

[pritch]

TV One News often (usually?) ignores important context. They quoted Musk's, "Vox populii Vox Dei" as the voice of the people is the voice of God.

Actually the full quote translates as, “And those people should not be listened to who keep saying the voice of the people is the voice of God, since the riotousness of the crowd is always close to insanity.”

[mashman]

Climate change: Five key takeaways from COP27 (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-63693738)

Wow, what a waste of fossil fuels. "Sorry, we can't stop producing things coz the economy will crash. But if the climate does get a little bad and causes you Loss and Damage, and you can prove it in a court of law that climate change caused it, then you'll be compensated. That ok with everyone?" ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa... blind leading the blind in the same circles that created the problems in the first place.

[onearmedbandit]

TV One News often (usually?) ignores important context.

So true, context and and important details are often left out by media outlets, changing the actual message. But that behaviour isn't limited to just media sources. Like in your post below where you forgot to mention that the subscription service is purely for those that want 'blue tick' verification and the added benefits of being able to post longer videos, see less adds and gain priority status.




I'm not sure Musk even understands what Twitter is. He said he wanted to make it a subscription service like Netflix. There's a major difference. Netflix provides the content you are paying for, on Twitter it's the users who provide the content. Most will not pay for that privilege.

But hey it sounds more juicey the way you portrayed it. Just like the media do.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-says-pay-8-111316045.html?guccounter=1

[pritch]

So true, context and and important details are often left out by media outlets, changing the actual message. But that behaviour isn't limited to just media sources. Like in your post below where you forgot to mention that the subscription service is purely for those that want 'blue tick' verification and the added benefits of being able to post longer videos, see less adds and gain priority status.



But hey it sounds more juicey the way you portrayed it. Just like the media do.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-says-pay-8-111316045.html?guccounter=1

Not at all. The blue tick thing is just a first step, the money it raises is only peanuts compared to what he needs. Musk needs to monetise Twitter in every way possible. Some of his other investments have been bailed out by government cash. It's hard to imagine any government spending billions on Twitter.

Anyway the blue tick is now worthless. Twitter now has a "verified" account for Jesus Christ. The ticks being irrelevant, if you want to know if you are reading the person they claim to be you have to check their follower count. If they have hundreds of thousands or even millions they are likely the real deal. If they have twenty followers, maybe not.

[onearmedbandit]

Not at all. The blue tick thing is just a first step, the money it raises is only peanuts compared to what he needs. Musk needs to monetise Twitter in every way possible. Many of his other investments have been bailed out by government cash. It's hard to imagine any government spending billions on Twitter.



Not at all? Are you sure about that? If so can you provide a quote of his stating that's his goal? Or are you just speculating again? Be honest.

[onearmedbandit]

Also I'll just add for the record, Twitter has made quite decent yearly profits both in 2018 and 2019. Granted every other year has been at a loss. But obviously there is great potential there to make the company profitable through ad revenue alone without charging $8 a month to its users.


Here is a table showing Twitter’s Net Income and Loss since 2010:
Year Net Income/Loss
2010 -67.32 million
2011 -164.12 million
2012 -79.4 million
2013 -645.32 million
2014 -577.82 million
2015 -521.03 million
2016 -456.87 million
2017 -108.06 million
2018 +1,205.6 million
2019 +1,465.66 million
2020 -1,135.63 million
2021 -221.41 million



https://www.demandsage.com/twitter-statistics/

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iSC2ppIT38

Not really on-topic, but if anyone has been following, there's a Supreme Court case involving Parody, the Onion filed an Amicus brief in support of Parody (which was absolutely hilarious) and now the Babylon Bee is joining in.

This is a legal breakdown of the Babylon Bee one (there is also a break-down by Nick for the Onion one too)

[pritch]

Not at all? Are you sure about that? If so can you provide a quote of his stating that's his goal? Or are you just speculating again? Be honest.

In a much quoted email to staff Musk said the company faced bankruptcy unless he could replace lost advertising revenue with subscriptions. The subsequently announced $8.00 blue tick subscription brings in a tiny amount. He needs more, much more.

There are advertisements on Twitter still, but they are for companies I've never heard of. He drove the big names away and so far they don't seem to be coming back.

[onearmedbandit]

So speculation. Glad that's sorted. I see advertisers like Starbucks, Playstation, Air NZ, etc are still on the platform. Surely you've heard of them right?

[pritch]

So speculation. Glad that's sorted. I see advertisers like Starbucks, Playstation, Air NZ, etc are still on the platform. Surely you've heard of them right?

I've never seen their ads. Then again, internationally though, they are not the big players. A question, do you actually use Twitter?

[pritch]

One man's view.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/20/beware-self-made-genius-entrepreneurs-promising-earth-just-look-at-elon-musk

[TheDemonLord]

One man's view.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/20/beware-self-made-genius-entrepreneurs-promising-earth-just-look-at-elon-musk

Another Mans' view:


Beware Opinion pieces written in the Guardian

[onearmedbandit]

I've never seen their ads. Then again, internationally though, they are not the big players. A question, do you actually use Twitter?

Oh come on, stop shifting the goal posts lmao. First you said "companies I've never heard of" , then when I present you with a small list of only three recognisable companies out of many that still advertise on Twitter you change the standard to "they are not the big players". And what relevance does whether I use Twitter or not fit in? For the record, I stopped using it around 6yrs ago but rejoined in 2020. But yes other than that short exodus I have regularly viewed tweets although never tweeted myself.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

One man's view.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/nov/20/beware-self-made-genius-entrepreneurs-promising-earth-just-look-at-elon-musk

It's not your fault, your mind has been molded to believe in everything the media says.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I've never seen their ads. Then again, internationally though, they are not the big players. A question, do you actually use Twitter?
Starbucks, PlayStation, not big players on the international stage... really?

[onearmedbandit]

And your earlier post on the 'netflix style subscription' for all users is pure speculation still despite your attempt at passing it off as fact. The only people being asked to pay the $8 per month fee as at today is those that want the benefits offered by blue tick verification. Whether you think the blue tick verification is worth anything or not is purely your opinion, and therefore not relevant to the topic being discussed.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

In a much quoted email to staff Musk said the company faced bankruptcy unless he could replace lost advertising revenue with subscriptions. The subsequently announced $8.00 blue tick subscription brings in a tiny amount. He needs more, much more.

There are advertisements on Twitter still, but they are for companies I've never heard of. He drove the big names away and so far they don't seem to be coming back.
Can we check back in 12/24 months to see how this post age's, Aren't you getting ahead of yourself?

I mean he just bought the business, if you want to knock the guy, how about waiting to see if the takeover fails, your getting your dopamine hit far too early, you might crash and burn if Musk pulls it off!

[husaberg]

And your earlier post on the 'netflix style subscription' for all users is pure speculation still despite your attempt at passing it off as fact. The only people being asked to pay the $8 per month fee as at today is those that want the benefits offered by blue tick verification. Whether you think the blue tick verification is worth anything or not is purely your opinion, and therefore not relevant to the topic being discussed.


https://fortune.com/2022/11/11/elon-musk-twitter-blue-subscription-plan-bankruptcy-dire-revenue/
https://www.androidpolice.com/twitter-blue-price-hike/

[onearmedbandit]

https://fortune.com/2022/11/11/elon-musk-twitter-blue-subscription-plan-bankruptcy-dire-revenue/
https://www.androidpolice.com/twitter-blue-price-hike/

Even one of your own links has the title "Twitter pulls a Netflix, cranking the prices on its optional monthly subscription", and it was published well before Elon took ownership. I'm not sure what you were trying to prove there? That the subscription service is optional, because that was the point I was making. If so, thanks for backing up what I said. Or are you trying to prove that before Elon took control they already had a subscription service that was optional, and they were puting the price up, once again before Elon took ownership?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Notice how on public platforms like this, and other social media, Kiwis really love attacking successful or those that strive for success, like the old proverb goes of frogs trapped in a bucket, ones trying to escape but the rest are always dragging that frog back in.

Similar to how Musk is trying to escape Earth and build a civilization on Mars, half the world is wanting him to fail .

Although I am a swing voter, It seems to be coming from the left, When I was a Helen Clark and Obama supporter in a previous life ,I don't remember being so envious of the successful or those that strived towards success,

Fascinating how time's have changed!

[husaberg]

Even in your own link one of them has the title "Twitter pulls a Netflix, cranking the prices on its optional monthly subscription", and it was published well before Elon took ownership.

And the other ....its hardly conjecture now is it.

[onearmedbandit]

And the other ....its hardly conjecture now is it.

Behind a paywall so I can't see it...

But the point I made based on the second link still stands doesn't it.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Interesting perspective..
https://youtu.be/TCKFQFqxqvk

If you managed to make it through to 22:47 ...its hilarious!

[husaberg]

Behind a paywall so I can't see it...

But the point I made based on the second link still stands doesn't it.
Elon Musk says Twitter needs subscribers to survive. Here’s why he needs a better lifeline
BYJACOB CARPENTER
November 12, 2022 at 6:29 AM GMT+13

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/10/read-elon-musks-first-email-to-all-twitter-employees.html

He also warned employees that the company might not survive the economic downturn without significant subscription revenue. Musk wants to shift the company’s business so that it generates at least half of its revenue from subscriptions, and can become less reliant on advertising.


From: Elon Musk [email removed]

Date: Nov 9, 2022 [time stamp removed]

To: Team

Sorry that this is my first email to the whole company but there is no way to sugarcoat the message.

Frankly, the economic picture ahead is dire especially for a company like ours that is so dependent on advertising in a challenging economic climate. Moreover, 70% of our advertising is brand, rather than specific performance, which makes us doubly vulnerable!

That is why the priority over the past ten days has been to develop and launch Twitter Blue Verified subscriptions (huge props to the team!).

Without significant subscription revenue, there is a good chance Twitter will not survive the upcoming economic downturn. We need roughly half of our revenue to be subscription.

Of course, we will still then be significantly reliant on advertising, so I am spending time with our sales & partnerships teams to ensure that Twitter continues to be appealing to advertisers.

This is the Spaces discussion that Robin, Yoel and I hosted today: [Link to Elon Q&A: Advertising & the Future removed]

The road ahead is arduous and will require intense work to succeed. We are also changing Twitter policy such that remote work is no longer allowed unless you have a specific exception. Managers will send the exception lists to me for review and approval.

Starting tomorrow (Thursday), everyone is required to be in the office for a minimum of 40 hours per week. Obviously, if you are physically unable to travel to an office or have a critical personal obligation, then your absence is understandable.

I look forward to working with you to take Twitter to a whole new level. The potential is truly incredible!

Thanks,

Elon

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Elon Musk says Twitter needs subscribers to survive. Here’s why he needs a better lifeline
BYJACOB CARPENTER
November 12, 2022 at 6:29 AM GMT+13

.

husaberg

That article is a week old,

Perhaps you should subscribe to Twitter to get instant real time updates on how well (or not) Elon Musk is doing with the Twitter acquisition.:innocent:

[onearmedbandit]

Elon Musk says Twitter needs subscribers to survive. Here’s why he needs a better lifeline
BYJACOB CARPENTER
November 12, 2022 at 6:29 AM GMT+13



He also warned employees that the company might not survive the economic downturn without significant subscription revenue. Musk wants to shift the company’s business so that it generates at least half of its revenue from subscriptions, and can become less reliant on advertising.

That email is old news, so nothing new there, and nothing specifically outlining a plan to charge all users $8 a month to access the platform. Now I'm not saying it will or it won't happen, none of us have a crystal ball, but I am saying that stating it is going to happen is at the moment pure speculation.

[husaberg]

Musk has been publishing Twitter user figures but these are regarded as suspect. People are leaving in droves.

Tech people have commented that Twitter will run until there's a problem, but there are now very few there capable of fixing complicated problems.

I'm not sure Musk even understands what Twitter is. He said he wanted to make it a subscription service like Netflix. There's a major difference. Netflix provides the content you are paying for, on Twitter it's the users who provide the content. Most will not pay for that privilege.



So true, context and and important details are often left out by media outlets, changing the actual message. But that behaviour isn't limited to just media sources. Like in your post below where you forgot to mention that the subscription service is purely for those that want 'blue tick' verification and the added benefits of being able to post longer videos, see less adds and gain priority status.

[QUOTE=pritch;1131208435]Not at all. The blue tick thing is just a first step, the money it raises is only peanuts compared to what he needs. Musk needs to monetise Twitter in every way possible. Some of his other investments have been bailed out by government cash. It's hard to imagine any government spending billions on Twitter.

Anyway the blue tick is now worthless. Twitter now has a "verified" account for Jesus Christ. The ticks being irrelevant, if you want to know if you are reading the person they claim to be you have to check their follower count. If they have hundreds of thousands or even millions they are likely the real deal. If they have twenty followers, maybe not.


That email is old news, so nothing new there, and nothing specifically outlining a plan to charge all users $8 a month to access the platform. Now I'm not saying it will or it won't happen, none of us have a crystal ball, but I am saying that stating it is going to happen is at the moment pure speculation.
You claimed it was conjecture, its clearly not. But whatever Fraser.....


Not at all. The blue tick thing is just a first step, the money it raises is only peanuts compared to what he needs. Musk needs to monetise Twitter in every way possible. Some of his other investments have been bailed out by government cash. It's hard to imagine any government spending billions on Twitter.

Anyway the blue tick is now worthless. Twitter now has a "verified" account for Jesus Christ. The ticks being irrelevant, if you want to know if you are reading the person they claim to be you have to check their follower count. If they have hundreds of thousands or even millions they are likely the real deal. If they have twenty followers, maybe not.


Not at all? Are you sure about that? If so can you provide a quote of his stating that's his goal? Or are you just speculating again? Be honest.


In a much quoted email to staff Musk said the company faced bankruptcy unless he could replace lost advertising revenue with subscriptions. The subsequently announced $8.00 blue tick subscription brings in a tiny amount. He needs more, much more.

There are advertisements on Twitter still, but they are for companies I've never heard of. He drove the big names away and so far they don't seem to be coming back.


So speculation. Glad that's sorted. I see advertisers like Starbucks, Playstation, Air NZ, etc are still on the platform. Surely you've heard of them right?


From: Elon Musk [email removed]

Date: Nov 9, 2022 [time stamp removed]

To: Team

Sorry that this is my first email to the whole company but there is no way to sugarcoat the message.

Frankly, the economic picture ahead is dire especially for a company like ours that is so dependent on advertising in a challenging economic climate. Moreover, 70% of our advertising is brand, rather than specific performance, which makes us doubly vulnerable!

That is why the priority over the past ten days has been to develop and launch Twitter Blue Verified subscriptions (huge props to the team!).

Without significant subscription revenue, there is a good chance Twitter will not survive the upcoming economic downturn. We need roughly half of our revenue to be subscription.

Of course, we will still then be significantly reliant on advertising, so I am spending time with our sales & partnerships teams to ensure that Twitter continues to be appealing to advertisers.

This is the Spaces discussion that Robin, Yoel and I hosted today: [Link to Elon Q&A: Advertising & the Future removed]

The road ahead is arduous and will require intense work to succeed. We are also changing Twitter policy such that remote work is no longer allowed unless you have a specific exception. Managers will send the exception lists to me for review and approval.

Starting tomorrow (Thursday), everyone is required to be in the office for a minimum of 40 hours per week. Obviously, if you are physically unable to travel to an office or have a critical personal obligation, then your absence is understandable.

I look forward to working with you to take Twitter to a whole new level. The potential is truly incredible!

Thanks,

Elon

[onearmedbandit]

You claimed it was conjecture, its clearly not. But whatever Fraser.....

Point out where it is stated that the plan is to charge every user $8 a month to use twitter.

[onearmedbandit]

Actually husa, don't bother. You are literally the last person on this forum that I would want to have any discourse with, and most certainly the type of person I would avoid in the real world too.

[pritch]

Oh come on, stop shifting the goal posts lmao. First you said "companies I've never heard of" , then when I present you with a small list of only three recognisable companies out of many that still advertise on Twitter you change the standard to "they are not the big players". And what relevance does whether I use Twitter or not fit in? For the record, I stopped using it around 6yrs ago but rejoined in 2020. But yes other than that short exodus I have regularly viewed tweets although never tweeted myself.

At this stage you are indistinguishable from a troll. You are talking about things you know nothing about. And it shows. The companies you mention I've never seen. Because of this conversation I've tried to notice the few ads. Small beer indeed.

Find someone else to play with. I'm done.

[pritch]

Starbucks, PlayStation, not big players on the international stage... really?

Compared to General Motors and Volkswagen? Absolutely.

[husaberg]

Actually husa, don't bother. You are literally the last person on this forum that I would want to have any discourse with, and most certainly the type of person I would avoid in the real world too.

That will teach me for showing, that you were talking shit.
Carry on making new challenges to what pritch or 1 never suggested.

[onearmedbandit]

At this stage you are indistinguishable from a troll. You are talking about things you know nothing about. And it shows. The companies you mention I've never seen. Because of this conversation I've tried to notice the few ads. Small beer indeed.

Find someone else to play with. I'm done.

You need to get your glasses checked old man. You constantly shift the goal posts in online debate, nothing new from you there. But you've made your stance quite clear on Elon so it's understandable.

[TheDemonLord]

I mean, I'm on the sidelines for this one - but I see the plays being made - not my approach (obviously...), it does however have a charm of its own...


Play on.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

In regards to advertising/advertisers

Musk has been quite vocal he wants to rely less on these revenues

He has also been making noises about a Twitter X app, He used to own much and be CEO of PayPal so he has some unfinished business with that platform

He's been very opinionated on emerging technologies like web3/Defi

Some sort of decentralized payment system, it's above my paycheck to understand this

But what advertisers have left have been replaced, so I doubt this would be affecting revenue very much for now, a global recession is expected next year so advertising revenue will be down across all social media platforms Google, Meta ,TikTok etc.

My point being is like the Tesla company, Tesla cut out all the middle men and go directly to the source, there profit margins are the highest in the e.v or automotive industry...similar to cutting out reliance on advertisers, and the political views that sometimes comes with there business as a customer.

I posted on this thread, these original investors that help Musk would see their R.O.I double in 5/6 years, that could come as early as 3 years and perhaps 5x there original investment if Musk succeeds and proves the doubters wrong.

Musk required the X.com name from PayPal in 2017 for an undisclosed amount...

Perhaps this was always his plan?

I look forward to seeing what eventuality happens

But please, cast stones after or if he fails, knocking the guy while he's in the process of climbing this mountain highlights your own character.

[onearmedbandit]

I mean, I'm on the sidelines for this one - but I see the plays being made - not my approach (obviously...), it does however have a charm of its own...


Play on.
Nah, that's me out. For two reasons. Online debates rarely go anywhere, look at the Trump thread for example. Same protagonists, same arguments, nothing gained. Secondly, since husa appeared the taste has soured. I can't respect a person who behaves in the manner he does, as pointed out by another moderator on the forum a while ago, the sort of behaviour where 'life catches up with you and delivers a great big kick to your rear end'. So I'm certainly not going to let myself get engaged in any discussion with him.

[R650R]

Some interesting conjecture on another site about why so long before Elon let trump back in (along with Jordan Peterson).
Apparently a bit of live bait for any disloyal staff who missed getting fired. Hi grade AI discovered internal interference as Trumps follower numbers got trimmed here and there by soon to be fired employees.
Trump himself is not back yet apparently... My own thoughts that he lnowingbit was a leftist hangout that he probably only ever saw it as a tool to give them enough rope with trolling to wear themselves out in fitful rages....
A good fighter knows you never win fighting angry...

[mashman]

You are talking about things you know nothing about. And it shows. The companies you mention I've never seen. Because of this conversation I've tried to notice the few ads. Small beer indeed.

Find someone else to play with. I'm done.


So speculation. Glad that's sorted. I see advertisers like Starbucks, Playstation, Air NZ, etc are still on the platform. Surely you've heard of them right?

I don't see any of those advertisers either... almost as if the internet is built on a set of engines that are trying to feed me that which they think I'm interested in instead of what I'm not. I guess not everyone that claims to know how things work actually know how things work. All I get is porn and woodwork and I haven't been into that since last week.

[nerrrd]

Notice how on public platforms like this, and other social media, Kiwis really love attacking successful or those that strive for success, like the old proverb goes of frogs trapped in a bucket, ones trying to escape but the rest are always dragging that frog back in.

Similar to how Musk is trying to escape Earth and build a civilization on Mars, half the world is wanting him to fail .

Although I am a swing voter, It seems to be coming from the left, When I was a Helen Clark and Obama supporter in a previous life ,I don't remember being so envious of the successful or those that strived towards success,

Fascinating how time's have changed!

I'm not sure why being successful at something should make someone immune from criticism when they make a mistake, which we all do. I can appreciate how being successful might make you a little overly sensitive to criticism, since success usually comes with an element of fame, which is a much harder thing to deal with – any mistakes you make once famous are made in the public eye, which I agree is unfair compared to the rest of us who continue to fail in private. I don't think there's any way to avoid that, I don't see how it's political, and it happens everywhere, not just in NZ.

Theranos would be an obvious example of how badly things can go when criticism is ignored or overlooked in favour of celebrating 'success', especially in the tech sector.

Elon has delivered enough real progress from his companies to be justifiably celebrated for their achievements so far. I really hope he and NASA make it to Mars in my lifetime, but if you look into the actual logistics involved, even with Starship operational it's several orders of magnitude beyond that in difficulty. As far as his stewardship of Twitter goes, I hope it doesn't distract him from the cool tech-y stuff in the meantime.

[pritch]

Some interesting conjecture on another site about why so long before Elon let trump back in (along with Jordan Peterson).
Apparently a bit of live bait for any disloyal staff who missed getting fired. Hi grade AI discovered internal interference as Trumps follower numbers got trimmed here and there by soon to be fired employees.
Trump himself is not back yet apparently... My own thoughts that he lnowingbit was a leftist hangout that he probably only ever saw it as a tool to give them enough rope with trolling to wear themselves out in fitful rages....
A good fighter knows you never win fighting angry...


There is reportedly a team scouring the internal mail system and social media looking for employee posts disrespecting Musk. Offenders are fired.

Trump's account was back yesterday morning having presumably been reactivated overnight our time. He is not posting though. Last tweet was January.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I'm not sure why being successful at something should make someone immune from criticism when they make a mistake

Elon has delivered enough real progress from his companies to be justifiably celebrated for their achievements so far. I really hope he and NASA make it to Mars in my lifetime, but if you look into the actual logistics involved, even with Starship operational it's several orders of magnitude beyond that in difficulty. As far as his stewardship of Twitter goes, I hope it doesn't distract him from the cool tech-y stuff in the meantime.

Nice post

Yes , I suppose your right, criticism comes with success,

Your post makes me look at myself, perhaps I'm in the minority, because I believe success should be either celebrated or ignored, attacks on the success doesn't make sense to me? Im finding it hard to process (in my own mind) why I would intentionally knock someone for being successful.

Yes, Perhaps if this is at the expense of a large number of people, environment etc, politicians can cause this, corrupt companies tend fail eventually or regulations catch up on them

I'm with you, I hope they make it to Mars, but the logistics just blow my mind, water is the main problem, a civilization on Mars won't last long without water ! I'm looking at 2035 at the earliest, and Elon Musk like us all isn't getting any younger!

[onearmedbandit]

Your post makes me look at myself, perhaps I'm in the minority, because I believe success should be either celebrated or ignored, attacks on the success doesn't make sense to me? Im finding it hard to process (in my own mind) why I would intentionally knock someone for being successful.



The comparison between NZ thinking and US thinking has been explored before. Basically it can be summed up by in NZ we see someone in a limo and we think 'how can I get them out of that limo' whereas in the US the thinking more tends to be 'how do I get myself into that limo'. Yes a lot of generalisation but we've all seen it before.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Nah, that's me out. For two reasons. Online debates rarely go anywhere, look at the Trump thread for example. Same protagonists, same arguments, nothing gained. Secondly, since husa appeared the taste has soured. I can't respect a person who behaves in the manner he does, as pointed out by another moderator on the forum a while ago, the sort of behaviour where 'life catches up with you and delivers a great big kick to your rear end'. So I'm certainly not going to let myself get engaged in any discussion with him.

Fair enough, When I use Twitter, I tend follow those who share the same or similar beliefs as me, although this is not necessarily good because you tend to be trapped in an echo chamber of thoughts and ideas that needs an alternative opinion

The flip side to this is if you go down the opposite opinion path,there is definitely a chance of mental harm as there version could be quite savage and brutal.

I tend to keep a happy medium, limit my time on Twitter, I think it's about 30 mins a day and I don't read the comments section, just the post or links to my preferred sources.

I joined the kiwibiker platform mainly to be closer aligned with Kiwi biker's and conditions, Unfortunately I was instantly attacked and called a troll for asking dumb newbie questions, I wasn't offended, criticism is much harsher on other platforms... just made me understand, local forums are no different to major international forums.

[onearmedbandit]

Yeah I'm around the same, probably 30mins of twitter most days, and only areas of interest to me like motorcycling, tech and medical interests. And yeah I avoid the comment section too.

[husaberg]

I joined the kiwibiker platform mainly to be closer aligned with Kiwi biker's and conditions, Unfortunately I was instantly attacked and called a troll for asking dumb newbie questions, I wasn't offended, criticism is much harsher on other platforms... just made me understand, local forums are no different to major international forums.

You get called a troll for trolling , but feel free to take it international....its not as if Fraser can figure out you are a troll.

what is hilarious is how often you forget what you have said. like a few days ago when you got confused between Trump and Musk. or


When one is intimated by anothers intelligence, they resort to the "he must be a troll!!" to make up for the lack of intelligence.


You have me all wrong, you don't realise I have increased the I.Q of this forum since joining it .



Now my superior intellect is starting to make you act and pretend to be like me, a standard reaction in the animal kingdom, similar to a submissive puppy dog yearning for its masters attention.
Good boy, well done.




I was instantly attacked and called a troll for asking dumb newbie questions, .

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

You get called a troll for trolling , but feel free to take it international....its not as if Fraser can figure out you are a troll.

what is hilarious is how often you forget what you have said. like a few days ago when you got confused between Trump and Musk. or

My God

You spent how long scrolling through some historical posts?

I think your spending to much time on this forum, and you need to buy a life .

capital " L"

[Berries]

You're.




....

[mashman]

It used to be May 5th... but it's ok, getting paid for loss and damage makes it all right :killingme... (https://www.overshootday.org/newsroom/country-overshoot-days/)... Stupid World at its best.

[pritch]

This guy is a bit umm colourful. Well, a lot actually. But he has done some sums. You see what we've been discussing has nothing to do with tall poppy syndrome.
It's about whether you can see a con man coming or you are a mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVj4kZF-Fgk

[onearmedbandit]

While I agree that all three of those people are ego maniacs who sell their worth way past its actual value, before Adam goes chucking out accusations that Elon is terrible at math he should check his own too. He claims that the 140,000 sign-ups for blue tick bough in 1.12 million dollars, a pittance against the 1.5b yearly interest costs. What he fails to point out is that is monthly. Now sure that makes not a great deal of difference (bringing it up to 13.4 million in revenue not allowing for any increase or decrease in subscription numbers) but it is being either disingenuous or just plain stupid. This is why I don't trust anyone's take on things, there's almost always something left out, brushed over, or just plain manipulated to serve a purpose.

And for the record, I firmly believe Elon is mostly full of shit with his promises and self promotion.

[husaberg]

While I agree that all three of those people are ego maniacs who sell their worth way past its actual value, before Adam goes chucking out accusations that Elon is terrible at math he should check his own too. He claims that the 140,000 sign-ups for blue tick bough in 1.12 million dollars, a pittance against the 1.5b yearly interest costs. What he fails to point out is that is monthly. Now sure that makes not a great deal of difference (bringing it up to 13.4 million in revenue not allowing for any increase or decrease in subscription numbers) but it is being either disingenuous or just plain stupid. This is why I don't trust anyone's take on things, there's almost always something left out, brushed over, or just plain manipulated to serve a purpose.

And for the record, I firmly believe Elon is mostly full of shit with his promises and self promotion.

Twitter is according to Musk, losing 4 million dollars a day....that's without the massive loss (his own words)of revenue from the advertised who have suspended advertising over Musk's changes in policies. 90% of twitter revenue comes from advertising
That one 1.5b is only the interest on the 13 billion of debt twitter now has.
i sense a merger with Trumps truth social as that will save face for trump.

[mashman]

Between Kanye showing Adidas employees explicit photos, 'allegedly' of biden jnr from that pesky laptop, and with Musk making noises about releasing internal communications with the wall street journal with regards to the same thing and why twitter 'buried' any attention on the subject, ya gotta wonder, is it house of cards time?

[husaberg]

Between Kanye showing Adidas employees explicit photos, 'allegedly' of biden jnr from that pesky laptop, and with Musk making noises about releasing internal communications with the wall street journal with regards to the same thing and why twitter 'buried' any attention on the subject, ya gotta wonder, is it house of cards time?

So What part position did/does hunter Biden play in the US govt ?
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-ivanka-trump-and-donald-trump-jr-avoided-a-criminal-indictment
https://www.forbes.com/sites/tommybeer/2020/10/17/trump-calls-the-bidens-an-organized-crime-family-but-here-are-his-run-ins-with-the-law/?sh=7d5b047f4f1b


1. Steve Bannon: Trump’s political Svengali was charged with fraud in August 2020 for a fundraising scam tied to raising dollars to build Trump’s much bally-hooed border wall. The allegation, which Bannon has denied, was that he and others involved in the We Build The Wall group used money raised to pay for lavish personal expenses.

2. Tom Barrack: Barrack was charged on seven counts on Tuesday. The allegations, according to the indictment, center on the idea that Barrack used his closeness to Trump to “advance the interests of and provide intelligence to the UAE while simultaneously failing to notify the Attorney General that their actions were taken at the direction of senior UAE officials.” Following Trump’s 2016 victory, Barrack asked UAE officials to provide him with a “wish list” they hoped for from the administration over the first 100 days of Trump’s presidency. “The defendant is charged with acting under the direction or control of the most senior leaders of the U.A.E. over a course of years,” wrote the prosecutors of Barrack.

3. Elliott Broidy: Broidy, a top fundraiser for Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign, pleaded guilty in October 2020 to conducted a secret lobbying campaign in exchange for millions of dollars. As CNN’s Kara Scannell wrote at the time of his Broidy’s guilty plea: “Broidy was charged earlier this month with conspiracy for failing to register and disclose his role in a lobbying effort aimed at stopping a criminal investigation into massive fraud at a Malaysian investment fund and advocating for the removal of a Chinese billionaire living in the US.”

4. Michael Cohen: The one-time fixer for Trump, Cohen was sentenced to three years in prison for a series of crimes, most notably secret hush-money payments made during the final months of the 2016 presidential campaign to two women alleging affairs with Trump. The sentencing judge said that Cohen had pleaded guilty to “a veritable smorgasbord” of crimes. Cohen turned informant on Trump and, in sworn testimony in front of Congress in 2019, Cohen called Trump “a racist,” “a conman” and “a cheat” – and insisted that the president was fully aware of the hush-money payments.

5. Michael Flynn: Flynn spent a brief stint as Trump’s national security adviser before being forced to resign after he failed to disclose the depth and breadth of his contacts with Russian officials during the transition. Later that year, Flynn admitted that he had lied to the FBI about his contact with Russia and had also done work for Turkey as an unauthorized lobbyist. In early 2020, Flynn and his legal team sought to have his conviction overturned. That effort was rendered moot when Trump pardoned him in November 2020.

6. Rick Gates: Gates, deputy to the campaign chairman of Trump’s 2016 campaign, pleaded guilty to aiding and abetting Paul Manafort in concealing $75 million in foreign bank accounts. Gates turned informant for the government as part of the broader probe into Russian meddling in the 2016 election, and was sentenced to 45 days in jail.

7. Paul Manafort: Trump’s campaign manager for part of the 2016 presidential campaign, Manafort pleaded guilty in 2018 to on count of conspiracy against the US and one count of conspiracy to obstruct justice due to attempts to tamper with witnesses – and agreed to cooperate with the ongoing Russia probe. Manafort was sentenced to 47 months in prison in 2019. Trump pardoned Manafort, who wound up serving just under two years in prison, in the final weeks of his presidency.

8. George Nader: An informal foreign policy adviser to Trump’s 2016 campaign, Nader cooperated heavily with special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election. In early 2020, he pleaded guilty to two counts of sex crimes involving minors.

9. George Papadopoulos: Papadopoulos, a relatively junior adviser to Trump’s campaign, was sentenced to 12 days in prison for lying to investigators about his contacts with individuals tied to Russia. Papadopoulos was defiant about his innocence; “The truth will all be out,” he tweeted the night before reporting to prison. “Not even a prison sentence can stop that momentum.” Trump pardoned Papadopoulos in December 2020.

10. Roger Stone: Stone spent years advising Trump although he was only formally affiliated with the 2016 campaign very briefly. He was convicted in November 2019 for lying to Congress and threatening a witness regarding his efforts for Trump’s campaign. According to the judge, Stone’s actions “led to an inaccurate, incorrect and incomplete report” from the House on Russia, WikiLeaks and the Trump campaign. Stone, and stop me if you’ve heard this one before, was pardoned by Trump in December 2020.

11. Allen Weisselberg: Earlier this month, the longtime chief financial officer for the Trump Organization was charged with tax crimes tied to perks he was given in lieu of salary. “All told, the indictment alleged, Weisselberg evaded taxes on $1.76 million in income over a period beginning in 2005 and concealed for years that he was a resident of New York City, thereby avoiding paying city income taxes,” wrote CNN”s Erica Orden, Kara Scannell and Sonia Moghe. Weisselberg pleaded not guilty. The Trump Organization, which was also indicted and has pleaded not guilty, called the Weisselberg a “pawn in a scorched-earth attempt to harm the former president.”

[Grumph]

I note that crime reporting on Fox News has been reduced 50% since the midterm elections. It would seem that the effort to show the US was an unsafe place under the Democrats didn't go to plan
I anticipate that here, until our elections we'll get ramraids and victim interviews all over TV3. It's quite illuminating to watch and compare our two main news channels. Media bias ? Oh surely not.

[onearmedbandit]

Media bias ? Oh surely not.

Everyone's biased. Every. Single. Person.

[TheDemonLord]

Everyone's biased. Every. Single. Person.

What about a Schizophrenic?

[Ocean1]

I note that crime reporting on Fox News has been reduced 50% since the midterm elections. It would seem that the effort to show the US was an unsafe place under the Democrats didn't go to plan
I anticipate that here, until our elections we'll get ramraids and victim interviews all over TV3. It's quite illuminating to watch and compare our two main news channels. Media bias ? Oh surely not.

I'm sure that as long as he media are constantly alluding to and supporting the principles of tekanga and te treaty they'll continue to be fiscally rewarded accordingly.

What's the extent of the corruption so far? $155M innit?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Twitter CEO Elon Musk says user signups at all-time high, touts features of "everything app"
Signups were averaging over two million per day in the last seven days as of November 16, up 66 per cent compared to the same week in 2021, Musk said in a tweet late on Saturday.
REUTERS NOVEMBER 27, 2022 / 11:16 AM IST in



https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/twitter-ceo-elon-musk-says-user-signups-at-all-time-high-touts-features-of-everything-app-9607771.html

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Twitter CEO Elon Musk says user signups at all-time high, touts features of "everything app"
Signups were averaging over two million per day in the last seven days as of November 16, up 66 per cent compared to the same week in 2021, Musk said in a tweet late on Saturday.
REUTERS NOVEMBER 27, 2022 / 11:16 AM IST in



https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/business/twitter-ceo-elon-musk-says-user-signups-at-all-time-high-touts-features-of-everything-app-9607771.html

Elon Musk

"I think I see a path to Twitter exceeding a billion monthly users in 12 to 18 months"


3....2...1....and enter the salty kiwi biker's

[pete376403]

But do regular users pay anything to use twitter, to make up for all the advertisers? "Musk has said that Twitter was experiencing a "massive drop in revenue" from the advertiser retreat, blaming a coalition of civil rights groups that has been pressing the platform's top advertisers to take action if he did not protect content moderation."

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

But do regular users pay anything to use twitter, to make up for all the advertisers? "Musk has said that Twitter was experiencing a "massive drop in revenue" from the advertiser retreat, blaming a coalition of civil rights groups that has been pressing the platform's top advertisers to take action if he did not protect content moderation."

Don't know

But a billion users per month is a lot of customers, should non woke companies want to use the Twitter platform to advertise.

[R650R]

Elon Musk

"I think I see a path to Twitter exceeding a billion monthly users in 12 to 18 months"


3....2...1....and enter the salty kiwi biker's

I think that’s a bit optimistic as a billion users is about same as population of all western nations combined plus a few more. The other 7-8 billion people in the world are living in the sticks and prob wouldn’t even know an app let alone twitter or be interested in the snippets of info on there.

[mashman]

Central Bankster Admits They Plan To Control Us With Central Bank Digital Currencies... (https://twitter.com/Spiro_Ghost/status/1596625144814141441)

Marketing and advertising will be happy :killingme......

[mashman]

Don't know

But a billion users per month is a lot of customers, should non woke companies want to use the Twitter platform to advertise.

1 in 8... The most useful communications tools developed in-house by tesla/spacex/twitter in one app. Probably doable if appX is the dogs and requires a twitter signup.

[pritch]

It seems Musk has decided to pick a fight with this guy. Just after posting a tweet advocating civility Musk smeared Alex Vindman. He might look somewhat studious but Vindman wears a Combat Infantry Badge and a Purple Heart ribbon for being wounded in action. He is parachute and Ranger qualified.

If it comes to a fisticuffs, my money's on Alex.

[onearmedbandit]

I'm very surprised Musk's mouth hasn't got him into some serious strife yet. But hey the clown show isn't over yet.

[TheDemonLord]

It seems Musk has decided to pick a fight with this guy. Just after posting a tweet advocating civility Musk smeared Alex Vindman. He might look somewhat studious but Vindman wears a Combat Infantry Badge and a Purple Heart ribbon for being wounded in action. He is parachute and Ranger qualified.

If it comes to a fisticuffs, my money's on Alex.

Slight clarification - He does indeed where the Ranger Tab, which means he's completed the Ranger School - which is a leadership and small tactics school.

But the common understanding of Ranger Qualified is that someone has completed RASP/RIP, wears a Ranger Scroll and was a member of the 75th Ranger Regiment - AKA Door Kicking Bad-ass SF Operator.

I have no comment on Alex or whatever is happening atm - but I've seen in many places people conflating the Tab vs Scroll.

[pritch]

Slight clarification - He does indeed where the Ranger Tab, which means he's completed the Ranger School - which is a leadership and small tactics school.

But the common understanding of Ranger Qualified is that someone has completed RASP/RIP, wears a Ranger Scroll and was a member of the 75th Ranger Regiment - AKA Door Kicking Bad-ass SF Operator.

I have no comment on Alex or whatever is happening atm - but I've seen in many places people conflating the Tab vs Scroll.

Agree but disagree. "Ranger qualified" means he passed the 61 day course. Currently it seems that virtually every US Infantry officer is expected to have done that.

[R650R]

It seems fake news wants real money... of course this has nothing to do with the ending of the govt propoganda slush fund....
Given that stuff journo’s have been complicit in the dumbing down of journalism via several mechanisms they’ve made their own bed here. It will interesting to see what “news” we miss out on during the strike....
And really working for someone that has a giant orange banner begging for donations/subs at bottom of every story should be a red flag.

https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/130601730/stuff-journalists-to-take-industrial-action

[husaberg]

Agree but disagree. "Ranger qualified" means he passed the 61 day course. Currently it seems that virtually every US Infantry officer is expected to have done that.
There have been a few that died on the course.
image iot was a bit harder than trumps miltary career....

Historically, the graduation rate has been around 50%

Ranger Physical Fitness Test (RPFT) requiring the following minimums:
Push-ups: 49 (in 2 minutes, graded strictly for perfect form)
Sit-ups: 59 (in 2 minutes)
Chin-ups: 6 (performed from a dead hang with no lower body movement)
5 mile individual run in 40 minutes or less over a course with gently rolling terrain

Combat Water Survival Assessment, conducted at Victory Pond (previously called the Water Confidence Test). This test consists of three events that test the Ranger student's ability to calmly overcome any fear of heights or water. Students must calmly walk across a log suspended thirty-five feet above the pond, then transition to a rope crawl before plunging into the water. Each student must then jump into the pond and ditch their rifle and load-bearing equipment while submerged. Finally, each student climbs a ladder to the top of a seventy-foot tower and traverses down to the water on a pulley attached to a suspended cable, subsequently plunging into the pond. All of these tasks must be performed calmly without any type of safety harness. If a student fails to negotiate an obstacle (through fear, hesitation or by not completing it correctly) they are dropped from the course.

Combination Night/Day land navigation test – This has proven to be one of the more difficult events for students, as sending units fail to teach land navigation using a map and compass. Students are given a predetermined number of MGRS locations and begin testing approximately two hours prior to dawn. Flashlights, with red lens filters, may only be used for map referencing; the use of flashlight to navigate across terrain will result in an immediate dismissal from the school. Later in the course, Ranger students will be expected to conduct, and navigate, patrols at night without violating light discipline. The land navigation test instills this skill early in each student's mind, thus making the task second nature when graded patrolling begins.

A 2.1 mile buddy run, followed by the Malvesti Field Obstacle Course, featuring the notorious "worm pit": a shallow, muddy, 25-meter obstacle covered by knee-high barbed wire. The obstacle must be negotiated—usually several times—on one's back and belly.
Demolitions training and airborne refresher training.

Modern Army Combatives Program (MACP) training was removed as a part of a new POI at the start of 2009; it was reinstated with Class 06–10. The Combatives Program was spread over all phases and culminated with practical application in Swamp Phase. However, MACP has been removed from Ranger again, starting with the Combatives Program in Mountains and Florida and followed by the removal of RAP week combatives in class 06–12.

A 12-mile forced, individual ruck march with full gear on roads and trails surrounding Camp Rogers. This is the last test during RAP and is a pass/fail event. If the Ranger student fails to finish the march in under 3 hours, they are dropped from the course. (12 miles is approximately 20,000 metres.)

[pritch]

But do regular users pay anything to use twitter,

No. The income was from advertising. Twitter is world wide, people in poor countries couldn't pay. People in authoritarian countries would have trouble paying.

Musk tried to charge $8.00 for a verification mark. To increase sales he just gave the mark to anybody who payed $8.00 which missed the point of verification.

He seems to have seen the light to an extent and is no longer selling them to anybody who just pays $8.00. He is sending out reminders to verified people telling them they owe $8.00 but it seems many of them have already departed.

He is still fiddling with the way Twitter operates with no understanding of how it is supposed to work or what it actually does. The major topic of conversation is alternatives to Twitter. Sadly there is no directly comparable site. Yet.

I won't pay for Twitter, currently I'm just waiting to see how this plays out.

[TheDemonLord]

Musk tried to charge $8.00 for a verification mark. To increase sales he just gave the mark to anybody who payed $8.00 which missed the point of verification.

That significantly depends on what Verification actually is.

If Verification is merely verification, then anybody who can be verified and wants to pay the $8 fee is entirely justified to be verified.

However....

If Verification isn't about verification at all, but instead is a mark of honor to separate the Nobles and Courtiers from the great unwashed peasants... Then opening up verification to anyone who wants to be verified and for $8 is a problem.

And considering before the $8 charge, there has been info released that certain Twitter employees were accepting Bribes to get people verified, figures range from $10K-$15K.

In addition, if you go back far enough, before Wokeness had fully metastasized, there were many high-profile individuals on Twitter that were Verified, Milo Yiannopolous as an example, and when they did something that was a crime against wokeness, they had their Verification removed.

Linking back to the above - did Milo stop being Milo? Of course not, so stripping him of 'Verified' status makes no sense. If however, it's to denote someone of importance, then getting expelled from the court makes a lot more sense.

Elon's move, I doubt it will generate significant revenue, but it does highlight what is underneath the veneer.

[FJRider]

Agree but disagree. "Ranger qualified" means he passed the 61 day course. Currently it seems that virtually every US Infantry officer is expected to have done that.

Yep ... The term is commonly used to include graduates of the US Army Ranger School. Even if they never served in a "Ranger" unit.

The vast majority of Ranger school graduates never serve in Ranger units ... but are considered "Ranger qualified".

By comparison ... The New Zealand SAS run Selection Courses when unit troop numbers are required to be increased. These courses are not so much a training course ... but an assessment course. If you have the ability AND attitude ... you are invited to join the unit. AFTER you join the unit ... the REAL serious training begins. Being a "Badged" member of the Troop comes after you complete that.

[TheDemonLord]

Yep ... The term is commonly used to include graduates of the US Army Ranger School. Even if they never served in a "Ranger" unit.

The vast majority of Ranger school graduates never serve in Ranger units ... but are considered "Ranger qualified".

To most people though, they think US Army Ranger, they are thinking of the 75th SpecOps guys.

Passing Ranger school, although a tough and well regarded school, does not qualify one to be a US Army Ranger.


By comparison ... The New Zealand SAS run Selection Courses when unit troop numbers are required to be increased. These courses are not so much a training course ... but an assessment course. If you have the ability AND attitude ... you are invited to join the unit. AFTER you join the unit ... the REAL serious training begins. Being a "Badged" member of the Troop comes after you complete that.

Same with the US Navy SEALs - you have to pass BUD/s, then you have to go through SQT and then after that (which is when you truly are a Navy SEAL) you have lots of high intensity training. IIRC more SEALs have died in Training than in Combat.

[FJRider]

To most people though, they think US Army Ranger, they are thinking of the 75th SpecOps guys.

Passing Ranger school, although a tough and well regarded school, does not qualify one to be a US Army Ranger.



Same with the US Navy SEALs - you have to pass BUD/s, then you have to go through SQT and then after that (which is when you truly are a Navy SEAL) you have lots of high intensity training. IIRC more SEALs have died in Training than in Combat.

Yep ... all in the wording.

Reality differs ...


Such is life ... ;)

[sugilite]

This is the sort of thing that makes me despise pollies. I would wager at least 90%+ of these youths doing runners, are doing so in stolen vehicles. Just yet another case of pollies saying "Look at us doing things" When it is just a load of shit. It just sets up poor law abiding citizens who have had the misfortune of having their cars stolen having to now jump over pollie mounted hurdles to get their cars back. Fucking pollie wankers.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130635162/crackdown-on-fleeing-drivers-government-to-change-law-to-impound-seize-and-sell-cars-of-runaways