Stupid World

[Brian d marge]

Did we not say that would happen . , . .think of all that moneies you can generate with derivitives . . .yeeehaaa

Gimme those assets

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[Akzle]

Gimme those assets

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https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/hphotos-xaf1/t51.2885-15/e15/11263651_1572678659664918_1170683582_n.jpg


i'll see your assets, and raise you...



sent from my fucken computer, like a normal cunt.

[Brian d marge]

I live in japan . . .not so many big assets

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[Akzle]

I live in japan . . .not so many big assets

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yeah... But they fuck like it's the antidote

[Brian d marge]

yeah... But they fuck like it's the antidote
Thats why im here [emoji41]

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[Swoop]

I live in japan . . .not so many big assets

Just a festering radioactive sore, poisoning the planet (mainly Japan's fishing grounds though).

Happy eating.

[Brian d marge]

Just a festering radioactive sore, poisoning the planet (mainly Japan's fishing grounds though).

Happy eating.
Dont worry we have the olympics everything will be fine

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[Swoop]

Dont worry we have the olympics...
Oh shit! You are sending the country broke as well!!

When will the madness end?

[Brian d marge]

Oh shit! You are sending the country broke as well!!

When will the madness end?
After ww3

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[blue rider]

surely this is not gonna happen in NZ, cause we're special n shit

http://keworganics.com.au/an-open-letter-to-the-australian-people-by-dr-david-pascoe/


This problem isn’t simply happening in Winton, but rather right across the entire inland across Queensland and NSW. The banks have been bringing in the police to evict Australian famers and their families from their farms, many of them multigenerational. One farmer matter of factly told us it took “oh, about 7 police” to evict him from his first farm and “maybe about twelve” to evict him from his second farm which had been in his family for many generations. You think they are kidding you. Then you see the expression in their eyes.

And there was something far worse in the room on Friday: the fear of speaking out against the banks: when we asked people to tell us who had done this to them, they would immediately start to shake and cry and look away: They have been silenced to protect the good corporate image of their tormentors called the banks. What in God’s name have the bastard banks been allowed to do to our people?

This is a travesty against the rights and the human dignity of every Australian

So it’s only fair that we start to name a few of major banks involved: The ANZ is a major culprit (they made $7 billion profit last year). Then there is Rabo – which is an international agricultural bank – the NAB, Bank West and Westpac (who paid CEO Gail Kelly a yearly salary of some $12 million). They are all equally guilty. For any that we have missed, rest assured they will be publicly exposed as well

But here’s the thing: when these people are forced off their farms, they have nowhere to go. There are no refugee services waiting, such is the case for those who attempt to enter the sovereign borders of this nation. The farmers simply drive to the nearest town – that’s if the banks haven’t stripped their cars off them as well – and they try and find somewhere to sleep. Some are sleeping on the backs of trucks in swags. There is basically no home or accommodation made available to take them. They camp out, shocked and broken and penniless – and they are living on weet bix and noodles. If there is someone that can lend a family enough money to buy food, they will: otherwise they are left completely alone.

[Akzle]

surely this is not gonna happen in NZ, cause we're special n shit

http://keworganics.com.au/an-open-letter-to-the-australian-people-by-dr-david-pascoe/

ahh. Banks. Of course (enter ocean) he should be kicked off, because he cant afford shit. Infact the cunt shouldnt be eligible for handouts, since he's obviously not contributing anything to the great white society.


But banks cant eat land... Only money. What the fuck they think gonna happen when they 'own' all the land??

Viva la revolucionne

[Brian d marge]

Land prices driven up by speculation check
Priduct prices driven down by deregulation and import exports . . . Check
Margin lending ( borrowing cheap money to speculate) , . . . . Check

Man with funny growth on top lip

War demob suit and a new deal

Sweeet


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[carbonhed]

surely this is not gonna happen in NZ, cause we're special n shit



It's a drought. We get droughts... not like Aussie thankfully.

If you want some more info on that meeting six months ago with less of the hand wringing bullshit...

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/state-politics/queensland-farmers-want-leash-on-banks/story-e6frgczx-1227146476197

Some of the various forms of assistance provided...

https://www.daf.qld.gov.au/environment/drought

And a more up to date report from the Guardian...

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/may/27/scorched-earth-at-the-epicentre-of-the-queensland-drought-a-family-sells-the-last-of-its-cattle

[Brian d marge]

When top gear did the sustralian special the famer talked about the drought something like 7 years

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[oldrider]

ahh. Banks. But banks cant eat land... Only money. What the fuck they think gonna happen when they 'own' all the land??

POWER - "SUPREME" unchallengeable power and control over everyone and everything - what else would they (anyone) ever need? - NWO? - Total Police State? :Police:

[mashman]

The Conservative Party has just introduced thought policing to the UK (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11751158/The-Conservative-Party-has-just-introduced-thought-policing-to-the-UK.html)

[Brian d marge]

The Conservative Party has just introduced thought policing to the UK (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11751158/The-Conservative-Party-has-just-introduced-thought-policing-to-the-UK.html)
Did they call it jade helm

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[Scuba_Steve]

The Conservative Party has just introduced thought policing to the UK (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11751158/The-Conservative-Party-has-just-introduced-thought-policing-to-the-UK.html)

Looks like we beat them, KB already has it's own 'GCSB Thought Police (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/member.php/38426-GCSB-Thought-Police)'

[Brian d marge]

hat is, people who don’t promote or partake in violence but who simply have ugly beliefs


Har har har

Who should we pol first . .

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[Banditbandit]

David Cameron has ugly beliefs ... he should be stopped!!!

[oldrider]

David Cameron has ugly beliefs ... he should be stopped!!!

But but but - he's British! :scratch: - :killingme

[Brian d marge]

the result of ugly beliefs

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-08-21/abandoned-dogs-roam-detroit-in-packs-as-humans-dwindle

You couldnt make this shit up !

Remember Detroit , was the golden boy of the US of an A

Stephen

Ps ,,see China also can see Shylock .....

ource:Xinhua Published: 2015-5-26 10:40:13



A world war is unlikely in the foreseeable future and the international situation is expected to remain generally peaceful, according to a white paper issued Tuesday by the State Council Information Office.

Historic changes are taking place in the balance of power, global governance structure, Asia-Pacific geostrategic landscape, and international competition in the economic, scientific and technological, and military fields, says the white paper titled "China's Military Strategy."

The forces for world peace are on the rise, so are the factors against war, it says.

The white paper, however, also notes new threats from hegemonism, power politics and neo-interventionism.

International competition for the redistribution of power, rights and interests is tending to intensify. Terrorist activities are growing increasingly worrisome. Hotspot issues, such as ethnic, religious, border and territorial disputes, are complex and volatile, according to the white paper.

Small-scale wars, conflicts and crises are recurrent in some regions. Therefore, the world still faces both immediate and potential threats of local wars, it says.

[yokel]

The Conservative Party has just introduced thought policing to the UK (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/terrorism-in-the-uk/11751158/The-Conservative-Party-has-just-introduced-thought-policing-to-the-UK.html)

Welcome to camp FEMA,

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[Ocean1]

the result of ugly beliefs.

Aye, spending more than you earn always ends ugly.

[Voltaire]

Donald will put it all right.
http://www.quotesmeme.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/k1ttn.jpg

[mashman]

‘You’re killing us’: French farmers dump manure, block roads to protest low meat & milk prices (http://www.rt.com/news/310392-france-farmers-dump-waste/)... the French reckon the price has been artificially lowered/manipulated and are pretty fuckin pissed about it.

Dairy price drop `further than expected' (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/28988794/dairy-price-drop-further-than-expected/)... she'll be right... just need more subsidy.

[Akzle]

. the French reckon the price has been artificially lowered/manipulated and are pretty fuckin pissed about it.

shirley not! Those filthy frog bastard farmers get paid what society/ocean says they're worth!
And if they dont like it they can retrain as any of: bankers, accountants, jews, lawyers or mcdonalds cashiers, y'know, jobs of value to society...

[mashman]

shirley not! Those filthy frog bastard farmers get paid what society/ocean says they're worth!
And if they dont like it they can retrain as any of: bankers, accountants, jews, lawyers or mcdonalds cashiers, y'know, jobs of value to society...

Yeah, but only once they've paid their current debts off, coz farmers are as thick as pig shit man and'll never be able to comprehend anything of any value for society. Should keep to sniffing soil.

[Ocean1]

French farmers dump manure, block roads to protest low meat & milk prices.

So the French farmers are revolting. Astonishing, they haven't been that upset since last Thursday. :yawn:


Yeah, but only once they've paid their current debts off, coz farmers are as thick as pig shit man and'll never be able to comprehend anything of any value for society. Should keep to sniffing soil.

Well, let's face it, the reason people become farmers is so they can make something likely to be of value to their customers. If you can't do that with the resources you have then you should probably try something different. Something you can actually make a living from. Yourself. Personally.

And generally, tapping the evel bankers for a loan isn't considered "a living", no matter what you claim to be your profession.

[mashman]

So the French farmers are revolting. Astonishing, they haven't been that upset since last Thursday. :yawn:



Well, let's face it, the reason people become farmers is so they can make something likely to be of value to their customers. If you can't do that with the resources you have then you should probably try something different. Something you can actually make a living from. Yourself. Personally.

And generally, tapping the evel bankers for a loan isn't considered "a living", no matter what you claim to be your profession.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHhu04_znLE

[mashman]

No grounds to keep Russia sanctions in place – French MPs visiting Crimea (http://www.rt.com/news/310607-french-mps-visit-crimea/)...

"I think public opinion is making a gradual evolution,"... I think we've been rumbled boys.

[mashman]

Will do 'everything possible' to stop Iran deal - U.S. House speaker (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/world/a/28992185/will-do-everything-possible-to-stop-iran-deal-u-s-house-speaker/)... :facepalm:

[oldrider]

Will do 'everything possible' to stop Iran deal - U.S. House speaker (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/world/a/28992185/will-do-everything-possible-to-stop-iran-deal-u-s-house-speaker/)... :facepalm:

Just another Israeli (Netanyahu) suck-up securing his cushy job supported by AIPAC (indirect) dollars! - :rolleyes: Pretends he's an American first FFS! :sick:

[Akzle]

http://fusion.net/story/154199/facial-recognition-no-rules/


https://www.privateinternetaccess.com/blog/2015/06/google-chrome-listening-in-to-your-room-shows-the-importance-of-privacy-defense-in-depth/

-although, frankly, anyone who gives google root access to their PC/repositories is a fucking moron anyway.


lololololololoooooool

[Akzle]

hehehehh. Funny munny.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2014/06/03/this-new-libor-scandal-will-cause-a-terrifying-financial-crisis/



trust us. we're jews.

[Brian d marge]

hehehehh. Funny munny.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2014/06/03/this-new-libor-scandal-will-cause-a-terrifying-financial-crisis/



trust us. we're jews.
Libor anything for a mars bar

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[Ocean1]

hehehehh. Funny munny.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2014/06/03/this-new-libor-scandal-will-cause-a-terrifying-financial-crisis/



trust us. we're jews.

On current performance we can trust you to find drivel with confidence. Leme see...

Is this the same Jessie Columbo that's been predicting bursting bubbles for years? The one that predicted the NZ economy would collapse last year?

The one who's prediction accuracy ratio is currently running something like rather a lot of Forbes pay-per-click doomsday articles to actually zero collapses?

I suppose at the rate he's predicting recessions he'll be right sooner or later. If he lives long enough.

And you reckon everyone else are sheep. :laugh:

[Akzle]

On current performance we can trust you to find drivel with confidence. Leme see...

Is this the same Jessie Columbo that's been predicting bursting bubbles for years? The one that predicted the NZ economy would collapse last year?

The one who's prediction accuracy ratio is currently running something like rather a lot of Forbes pay-per-click doomsday articles to actually zero collapses?

I suppose at the rate he's predicting recessions he'll be right sooner or later. If he lives long enough.

And you reckon everyone else are sheep. :laugh:

or if you prefer

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libor_scandal

but hey. jew run wikipedia is in on it too.
You're probably right eh, it's all just lefty hand wringing over nothing. Money is worth exactly what people are willing to pay for it...
//Wait. What?

(just quickly eh, i'll draw your attention to this list of references that arent jessie columbo: )



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Reporting concerning Libor and Euribor Benchmark Interest Rates" . 6. ^ a b c "Barclays Bank PLC Admits Misconduct Related to Submissions for the London Interbank Offered Rate
and the Euro Interbank Offered Rate and Agrees to Pay $160 Million Penalty" . Department of Justice. 27 June 2012. Retrieved 17 July 2012. 7. ^ a b "Barclays fined £59.5 million for significant failings in relation to Libor and Euribor" . 8. ^ Keenan, Douglas (27 July 2012), "My thwarted attempt to tell of Libor shenanigans ". Financial Times. (An extended version of this article is on the author's web site.) 9. ^ BBC News (10 August 2012), "Libor scandal: Review finds system 'no longer viable' ”. 10. ^ BBC News Online (10 August 2012), "Libor review: Wheatley says system must change ”. 11. ^ Reuters (7 August 2012), "Libor collusion was rife, culture went right to the top ”. 12. ^ "Britischer Finanzexperte berichtet von langjährigen Zinssatz-Manipulationen" – in German. An English summary is on the trader's web site.[1] 13. ^ "Dissecting Barclays' Libor woes" . Euro Money. 29 June 2012. Retrieved 7 January 2013. "'Regulators
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[Ocean1]

or if you prefer

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libor_scandal

Prefer to what? Jessie Ventura already used that to interpolate the collapse of the Auckland house market a couple of years ago.

Wasn't right then either.



but hey. jew run wikipedia is in on it too.
You're probably right eh, it's all just lefty hand wringing over nothing. Money is worth exactly what people are willing to pay for it...
//Wait. What?

Nope. Straw drivel.

[Akzle]

Prefer to what? Jessie Ventura already used that to interpolate the collapse of the Auckland house market a couple of years ago.

Wasn't right then either.



Nope. Straw drivel.

:yawn: poor old white cunt.


but really, recontextualize user-centric e-business to drive viral functionalities and reintermediate leading-edge niches so transition mission-critical markets.


(thanks to http://dack.com/web/bullshit.html)

[Ocean1]

:yawn: poor old white cunt.


but really, recontextualize user-centric e-business to drive viral functionalities and reintermediate leading-edge niches so transition mission-critical markets.


(thanks to http://dack.com/web/bullshit.html)

Nope, drivel with big words is still "I got fuckall".

[Brian d marge]

Hey give me a mars bar and I ll explain and change libor



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[Ocean1]

Hey give me a mars bar and I ll explain and change libor



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I don't need you to explain fuck all.

And you desperately don't need a mars bar.

[Brian d marge]

I don't need you to explain fuck all.

And you desperately don't need a mars bar.
Oh you do . . . And I do

And those rates are actual market rates



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[Akzle]

Nope, drivel with big words is still "I got fuckall".

i thought so too. I just cant be bothered going back and multi-quoting you.

[oldrider]

by Jacques R. Pauwels
November 09, 2014
from GlobalResearch Website

WHY AMERICA NEEDS WAR!

This incisive article was written on April 30, 2003,

by historian and political scientist Jacques Pauwels.
Indy Media Belgium and Global Research

Easy to check out the accuracy as it is actual history of our time: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/sociopol_americanempire35.htm

[mashman]

Uganda's farmers battle palm oil Goliaths for land (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/29046684/ugandas-farmers-battle-palm-oil-goliaths-for-land/). What battle? What a waste!

[carbonhed]

Uganda's farmers battle palm oil Goliaths for land (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/29046684/ugandas-farmers-battle-palm-oil-goliaths-for-land/). What battle? What a waste!

Stop using it in biofuels. Stop the retarded subsidies. Shoot the Greenies that promoted it... job done!

[mashman]

Stop using it in biofuels. Stop the retarded subsidies. Shoot the Greenies that promoted it... job done!

Agreed. Agreed. WTF, oh I see, just coz.

[Akzle]

Stop using it in biofuels. Stop the retarded subsidies. Shoot the Greenies that promoted it... job done!

youre right. They definitely wouldnt be doing it for money.

[Brian d marge]

The world has gone pear shaped

All 4 of us agreed with c/head

I need a drink

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[mashman]

The world has gone pear shaped

All 4 of us agreed with c/head

I need a drink

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Actually, you may wish to view things from a slightly different angle? He agree with us :shifty:

[Brian d marge]

To late Ive already opened the bottle

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[mashman]

To late Ive already opened the bottle

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Oh hell I wasn't suggesting that you didn't drink... it's a celebration and you should go hard mate.

[FJRider]

To late Ive already opened the bottle



Only ONE bottle ... and I bet you call yourself a man ... :rolleyes:

[Brian d marge]

Only ONE bottle ... and I bet you call yourself a man ... :rolleyes:
Please refer to some of my prievous posts

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[FJRider]

Please refer to some of my prievous posts

Sent from my poncy phone ...

That may require effort my current intoxification level will NOT permit ...


maybe (or not) tomorrow ...

[mashman]

PM To Clamp Down On 'Dirty Money' In UK Property (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pm-clampdown-dirty-money-uk-property-010856260.html?vp=1#nmqM8xE)... bag o shite!

[Brian d marge]

PM To Clamp Down On 'Dirty Money' In UK Property (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/pm-clampdown-dirty-money-uk-property-010856260.html?vp=1#nmqM8xE)... bag o shite!
The uk money markets are one if not the most unregulated markets in the world
What numbnuts is actually saying is that he hang proffessional ratbags such as: the typical case of juvenile crime was that of Thomas Knight, who was hanged on 8 February 1721 for stealing, among other things, 29 snuff boxes, 16 toothpick cases, 30 rings, 12 pairs of gold buttons, 8 gold chains, 8 tweezer cases, 17 gold and diamond rings, to the value of 666l. 5s., from the shop of William Deards.

Stealing from pension funds and small countries

That gets you a life peerage and a gong




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[mashman]

The uk money markets are one if not the most unregulated markets in the world
What numbnuts is actually saying is that he hang proffessional ratbags such as: the typical case of juvenile crime was that of Thomas Knight, who was hanged on 8 February 1721 for stealing, among other things, 29 snuff boxes, 16 toothpick cases, 30 rings, 12 pairs of gold buttons, 8 gold chains, 8 tweezer cases, 17 gold and diamond rings, to the value of 666l. 5s., from the shop of William Deards.

Stealing from pension funds and small countries

That gets you a life peerage and a gong


So long as they can hide behind obscure laws and don't get caught, regulation achieves diddly. That has been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

[Brian d marge]

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/64DBhCWrDQA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

dodgy Russian report about dodgy American polititians....


http://www.fec.gov/press/press2015/digests/20150724digest.shtml

(http://www.fec.gov/press/press2015/digests/20150724digest.shtml)Actual dodgyness in action
baaaaaa

Ya not going to slam it byatch ,,,ya fked and ya know it ......

[mashman]

dodgy Russian report about dodgy American polititians....


http://www.fec.gov/press/press2015/digests/20150724digest.shtml

(http://www.fec.gov/press/press2015/digests/20150724digest.shtml)Actual dodgyness in action
baaaaaa

Ya not going to slam it byatch ,,,ya fked and ya know it ......

Sigh... because money and its affects only stop govt :killingme... fuckers really aren't that smart despite the fact that the common denominator that they highlight as being the main cause of our issues is money :facepalm:. So many supposed smart/intelligent people, so many stupid decisions for so many stupid reasons :facepalm: Until they figure that one out

"Ticket to ride, white line highway
Tell all your friends, that they can go my way
Pay your toll, sell your soul
Pound for pound, costs more than gold
The longer you stay, the more you pay
My white line, go a long way" - Grandmaster Flash

[mashman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVYdRy6zqWQ&feature=youtu.be

"There's a new bill on the table in Oklahoma which would make it necessary for prosecutors and law enforcement to prove guilt before seizing assets, a restructuring of civil asset forfeiture laws."

bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa

[oldrider]

"There's a new bill on the table in Oklahoma which would make it necessary for prosecutors and law enforcement to prove guilt before seizing assets, a restructuring of civil asset forfeiture laws."

bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa

Will TPPA mean in essence America simply places another little star on old glory and our lives will forever mimic those of the USA? - FFS! :sick:

[mashman]

Will TPPA mean in essence America simply places another little star on old glory and our lives will forever mimic those of the USA? - FFS! :sick:

Nah... they're going to "invade" Cuba and take their flag as it only has 1 star. Then world domination will ensue :laugh:

[mashman]

Tesco To Ban Ribena And Capri-Sun From Its Shelves (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/tesco-ban-ribena-capri-sun-102401164.html#NBtnWB7)... fuckers are removing choice from our shelves. What ever happened to choice? bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa

[mashman]

Anger at Peta calls to pension off Jolly Fisherman of Skegness (https://uk.news.yahoo.com/anger-peta-calls-pension-off-jolly-fisherman-skegness-181500043.html#IVZz6ex)... musta been a slow day at the PETA offices.

[Brian d marge]

If the dollar goes south .....

Then the US , would have to turn to SDRs or loan from the IMF

which would then invoke the Washington consensus

just a thought !

LOL couldnt happen to a nicer country !

Stephen

[oldrider]

If the dollar goes south .....

Then the US , would have to turn to SDRs or loan from the IMF

which would then invoke the Washington consensus

just a thought !

LOL couldnt happen to a nicer country !

Stephen

Or the US could borrow from the BRICS bank? :eek:

[Brian d marge]

Or the US could borrow from the BRICS bank? :eek:
Hahahahahahaaa


Brother could u spare a dime

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[mashman]

Everyone on right side of the Savile argument has been forced out of the BBC' (http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/meirion-jones-speaks-out-everyone-who-was-right-side-savile-argument-has-been-forced-out-bbc?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2015-07-29&utm_source=Press+Gazette+-+Daily)... the only reason that these scumbags are able to carry on doing what they're doing is because they can BUY silence.

[mashman]

Leaked Yanis Varoufakis parallel currency plan to hack government databases sparks Greek backlash (http://www.cityam.com/221086/leaked-varoufakis-plan-sparks-greek-backlash?ITO=yahoo&ref=yfp)... unlucky mate.

[oldrider]

Population control been going on for years - really? - The Wildlands Project. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_depopu20.htm

[blue rider]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cpjCHeIsAU

yeah mate, she'll be rigth mate

yeah

nah

[Brian d marge]

yeah mate, she'll be rigth mate

yeah

nah

Its all good for them to spray . .shoot you but when you do it to them

Fk me do the toys come out of the cot



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[Brian d marge]

Everyone on right side of the Savile argument has been forced out of the BBC' (http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/meirion-jones-speaks-out-everyone-who-was-right-side-savile-argument-has-been-forced-out-bbc?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=2015-07-29&utm_source=Press+Gazette+-+Daily)... the only reason that these scumbags are able to carry on doing what they're doing is because they can BUY silence.
My silence can be bought anytime

Send wine money wimmin and your daughter to

My gaff

Tokyo japan



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[Akzle]

L
M
F
A
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Its not only nzs 'justice' system thats fucked...

http://www.rt.com/news/311185-israel-gay-pride-stabbed/


fucken jew.

(imprisoned for stabbing bum punchers, gets out, stabs bum punchers :laugh: you cunt make this shit up)

[mashman]

Cost of living rises as families cut back (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/cost-living-rises-families-cut-012609899.html)... but but but rockstar economy.

Disappointed ECB says euro zone economies further apart than at the start (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/world/a/29112891/disappointed-ecb-says-euro-zone-economies-further-apart-than-at-the-start/)... bwaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa but but but ocean's reports.

[Ocean1]

Cost of living rises as families cut back (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/cost-living-rises-families-cut-012609899.html)... but but but rockstar economy.

"welfare advocates say"

So wall to wall completely unbiased factual statements then? :laugh:

Oh, and it wasn't a Kiwi that called ours a rock star economy.


Disappointed ECB says euro zone economies further apart than at the start (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/world/a/29112891/disappointed-ecb-says-euro-zone-economies-further-apart-than-at-the-start/)... bwaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa but but but ocean's reports.

What reports?

And what is it with socialist insisting that in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary everyone is equal? And they figure that applies to nations as well. :laugh:

[mashman]

"welfare advocates say"

So wall to wall completely unbiased factual statements then? :laugh:

Oh, and it wasn't a Kiwi that called ours a rock star economy.

What reports?

And what is it with socialist insisting that in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary everyone is equal? And they figure that applies to nations as well. :laugh:

Them folk that are at the coalface dealing with the ever increasing stream of people finding it harder and harder to make ends meet, are biased? You seem to imply that the "welfare advocates" are lying. Yet in true ocean comedy gold fashion, you decide that reports/data that are produced by a system that relies entirely on the confidence of its users somehow contains no bias... report/data that are calculated, not counted or summed, but calculated using complex formulas and computers that remove data that doesn't "fit", and call it a lack of bias :killingme

:niceone: you're another of those gifts that just keeps on giving.

[Brian d marge]

L
M
F
A
O
Its not only nzs 'justice' system thats fucked...

http://www.rt.com/news/311185-israel-gay-pride-stabbed/


fucken jew.

(imprisoned for stabbing bum punchers, gets out, stabs bum punchers [emoji23] you cunt make this shit up)
Snip. . .
adding that the man was bearded and was dressed in black.

. .thats half of west auckland right there

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[Ocean1]

Them folk that are at the coalface dealing with the ever increasing stream of people finding it harder and harder to make ends meet, are biased? You seem to imply that the "welfare advocates" are lying.

Of course they're biased. They're welfare advocates, they advocate welfare, you simply can't get more biased than that.


Yet in true ocean comedy gold fashion, you decide that reports/data that are produced by a system that relies entirely on the confidence of its users somehow contains no bias... report/data that are calculated, not counted or summed, but calculated using complex formulas and computers that remove data that doesn't "fit", and call it a lack of bias :killingme

:niceone: you're another of those gifts that just keeps on giving.

Again: What report?

[mashman]

Of course they're biased. They're welfare advocates, they advocate welfare, you simply can't get more biased than that.

Again: What report?

Right, so the front line people are saying that they're dealing with more cases, but you say they're lying :niceone:

Pretty much every graph/statistic you post comes from a report... it's merely referenced in a document that you would refer to as closer to representing reality.

[Ocean1]

Right, so the front line people are saying that they're dealing with more cases, but you say they're lying :niceone:

Pretty much every graph/statistic you post comes from a report... it's merely referenced in a document that you would refer to as closer to representing reality.

Again: they're advocates, it's their job to whine about that shit. And there's never at any time been any shortage of "cases" whining about how hard done by they are.

I like reality. You should try it sometime. The facts hereabouts in reality land tend not to support whiny-arsed bitches complaints, though. They tend to show they've never had it so good.

And while we're here: What fucking report? Man up or fuck off.

[mashman]

Again: they're advocates, it's their job to whine about that shit. And there's never at any time been any shortage of "cases" whining about how hard done by they are.

I like reality. You should try it sometime. The facts hereabouts in reality land tend not to support whiny-arsed bitches complaints, though. They tend to show they've never had it so good.

And while we're here: What fucking report? Man up or fuck off.

Is it? I thought it was to make things better given the resources they have at hand and when there aren't enough resources they have to make a noise to get what's required to those who require it. You call it whining and deride their efforts as nought more than their job. You sound like a callous wanker.

What facts? You don't have any. You have nought more than findings. Your reality, much like your cognitive function, is woefully incomplete.

I've just explained about the report... unbunch yer frilly knickers and it may let the blood flow to more important parts of your body. So, I've manned up, can you unclench and set those knickers free? I'm laying good odds that you can't, coz I reckon you;re worried that money would fall out.

[Ocean1]

Is it? I thought it was to make things better given the resources they have at hand and when there aren't enough resources they have to make a noise to get what's required to those who require it. You call it whining and deride their efforts as nought more than their job. You sound like a callous wanker.

This, from the whiniest prick in the country.

Their job is to administer and distribute charity. Other people's money. Whining that it's not enough is a: incorrect and b: ungrateful enough to justify giving their alms elsewhere.


What facts? You don't have any. You have nought more than findings. Your reality, much like your cognitive function, is woefully incomplete.

The facts that demonstrate that our "poor" have access to more wealth than any "poor" in history. The facts you slide off every time they don't agree with your pusillanimous, whining story tails.


I've just explained about the report... unbunch yer frilly knickers and it may let the blood flow to more important parts of your body. So, I've manned up, can you unclench and set those knickers free? I'm laying good odds that you can't, coz I reckon you;re worried that money would fall out.

You explained fuck all. And until you can answer a simple question it'll continue to be obvious that you're full of shit.

[mashman]

This, from the whiniest prick in the country.

Their job is to administer and distribute charity. Other people's money. Whining that it's not enough is a: incorrect and b: ungrateful enough to justify giving their alms elsewhere.

The facts that demonstrate that our "poor" have access to more wealth than any "poor" in history. The facts you slide off every time they don't agree with your pusillanimous, whining story tails.

You explained fuck all. And until you can answer a simple question it'll continue to be obvious that you're full of shit.

Aye, because I too am not doing what I do because of some charitable connotation some callous wanker spins on the interwebz.

So you are calling them liars then :niceone:

Yet when things becomes free, the numbers go through the roof, and things are better? Your facts are delusional despite empirical evidence... bravo that man, bravo.

bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa, now who's suiting their own agenda eh Mr Chameleon :killingme :crybaby: :killingme

[Ocean1]

Aye, because I too am not doing what I do because of some charitable connotation some callous wanker spins on the interwebz.

So you are calling them liars then :niceone:

Yet when things becomes free, the numbers go through the roof, and things are better? Your facts are delusional despite empirical evidence... bravo that man, bravo.

bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa, now who's suiting their own agenda eh Mr Chameleon :killingme :crybaby: :killingme

A whiny prick is a whiny prick, nobody cares why they whine.

Incorrect as always.

There's no such thing as free. And yes, it's a fact that the poor's consumption is higher than ever. And as your opinion doesn't come with evidence of any sort we really gota figure it's as delusional as the rest of your crap.

And still no answer, full of shit as usual.

[mashman]

A whiny prick is a whiny prick, nobody cares why they whine.

Incorrect as always.

There's no such thing as free. And yes, it's a fact that the poor's consumption is higher than ever. And as your opinion doesn't come with evidence of any sort we really gota figure it's as delusional as the rest of your crap.

And still no answer, full of shit as usual.

And that's exactly what one would expect to hear from a callous wanker... top job mate.

How so?

There is such thing as free, it's just that you're too tight. T'ain't my opinion, it's the evidence from the coalface. That you believe that that can be glossed over by statistics isn't surprising... that you believe that the statistics should be believed over those at the coalface is stunningly sad, yet exceptionally hilarious.

You got your answer, you simply didn't like it because it was bang on the money.

[Ocean1]

And that's exactly what one would expect to hear from a callous wanker... top job mate.

How so?

There is such thing as free, it's just that you're too tight. T'ain't my opinion, it's the evidence from the coalface. That you believe that that can be glossed over by statistics isn't surprising... that you believe that the statistics should be believed over those at the coalface is stunningly sad, yet exceptionally hilarious.

You got your answer, you simply didn't like it because it was bang on the money.

Coming from someone that expects the quantity of sheer fantasy you do to be really real I'd have to take that as a high mark of confidence indeed.

No idea, presumably via the same mechanism you're wrong about everything else.

TANSTAAFL. And your "evidence" is devoid of numbers, sure sign someone's talking shit.

There was no answer. Just more drivel.

[mashman]

Coming from someone that expects the quantity of sheer fantasy you do to be really real I'd have to take that as a high mark of confidence indeed.

No idea, presumably via the same mechanism you're wrong about everything else.

TANSTAAFL. And your "evidence" is devoid of numbers, sure sign someone's talking shit.

There was no answer. Just more drivel.

Oh dear boy. The thing that you, and many others miss for whatever reasons I care not, is that I not only understand your system, but I also understand a Resource Based Economy. You understand one. Ergo anything, and I do actually mean anything, you say I see as null and void because you are unaware of how they both work. As I said earlier, unbunch yer panties and you may actually learn something important. But by all means, coz lolz, continue to believe that you are coming from a position of anything but ignorance.

Perhaps I overestimated your capability.

[Ocean1]

Oh dear boy. The thing that you, and many others miss for whatever reasons I care not, is that I not only understand your system, but I also understand a Resource Based Economy. You understand one. Ergo anything, and I do actually mean anything, you say I see as null and void because you are unaware of how they both work. As I said earlier, unbunch yer panties and you may actually learn something important. But by all means, coz lolz, continue to believe that you are coming from a position of anything but ignorance.

Perhaps I overestimated your capability.

No, no, the reason everyone else misses that you understand anything is that it's simply wishful thinking.

Again: show me this fact free report you say I provided, or confirm beyond anyone's possible doubt that you're full of shit.

[mashman]

No, no, the reason everyone else misses that you understand anything is that it's simply wishful thinking.

Again: show me this fact free report you say I provided, or confirm beyond anyone's possible doubt that you're full of shit.

Evidence or fuck off!

I have explained that to you already. Go read it again and think about it. If you are unable to shift your position enough to understand what was written, thanks for the lulz.

[Ocean1]

Evidence or fuck off!

I have explained that to you already. Go read it again and think about it. If you are unable to shift your position enough to understand what was written, thanks for the lulz.

The fact that you avoid simple questions and attempt to divert attention from that with protracted, irrelevant and inconsequential drivel is all the evidence required that you don't actually have a clue.

I don't need to read drivel twice. In fact as you rarely provide anything else I probably don't need to read yours once.

[bogan]

Oh dear boy. The thing that you, and many others miss for whatever reasons I care not, is that I not only understand your system, but I also understand a Resource Based Economy.

No, Ocean has the right of it too, me and you came to a shared understanding of an RBE, and Ocean shares that as well.

[mashman]

No, Ocean has the right of it too, me and you came to a shared understanding of an RBE, and Ocean shares that as well.

I've seen zero evidence of such on either count.

[Ocean1]

No, Ocean has the right of it too, me and you came to a shared understanding of an RBE, and Ocean shares that as well.

Actually, what's usually meant by an RBE is a national economy based substantially on a natural resource.

I suspect what mushmate fantasists about is better described as a post-scarcity economy.

[bogan]

I've seen zero evidence of such on either count.

The eyes are useless when the mind is blind...

[oldrider]

Who needs enemies with friends like these - The USA Phoenix program:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTE--9sPgPg

[mashman]

The eyes are useless when the mind is blind...

That's why I have 20/20 vision.

[bogan]

That's why I have 20/20 vision.

Which is just average.

Anyway, if ever you want to update our shared understanding, I'm happy to discuss the finer points, I'm sure ocean is too. In the meantime, I'll stick with my evaluation of an RBE as something which stands no better chance of replacing the financial system than it does from emerging within it.

[bogan]

Actually, what's usually meant by an RBE is a national economy based substantially on a natural resource.

I suspect what mushmate fantasists about is better described as a post-scarcity economy.

I completely agree. Kind of a chicken egg scenario, ie does a post scarcity economy reduce scarcity? (yes I recognise the contradiction in terms)

[mashman]

I suspect what mushmate fantasists about is better described as a pre-scarcity economy.

Changed that for ya for a little more accuracy... still only a tiny part though.

[bogan]

Changed that for ya for a little more accuracy... still only a tiny part though.

:killingme Now that's fucking bang on. The economy right before the scarcity (as it collapse is the inference) :laugh:

[mashman]

The fact that you avoid simple questions and attempt to divert attention from that with protracted, irrelevant and inconsequential drivel is all the evidence required that you don't actually have a clue.

I don't need to read drivel twice. In fact as you rarely provide anything else I probably don't need to read yours once.

The fact that you don't understand the answers you receive proves beyond a doubt that you are clueless.

Anything, and I do actually mean anything, you say I see as null and void because you are unaware of how they both work.

bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... ignorance it is :niceone:

[mashman]

:killingme Now that's fucking bang on. The economy right before the scarcity (as it collapse is the inference) :laugh:

Pre-scarcity is like utopia, you never reach it. So any inference is entirely yours :killingme

[Ocean1]

I completely agree. Kind of a chicken egg scenario, ie does a post scarcity economy reduce scarcity? (yes I recognise the contradiction in terms)

Look around you: The future is already here.

A point I've been at pains to demonstrate for some time.

http://www.amazon.com/Abundance-Future-Better-Than-Think/dp/145161683X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438424804&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Future+Is+Better+Than+You+Think

The book's four main points are:

1: Technologies in computing, energy, medicine and many other areas are improving at an exponential rate and will soon enable breakthroughs that today seem impossible.
2: These technologies have allowed independent innovators to achieve startling advances in many areas of technology with little money or manpower.
3: Technology has created a generation of "techno-philanthropists" (such as Bill Gates) who are using their billions to try to solve seemingly unsolvable problems such as hunger and disease.
4: The lives of the world's poorest people are being improved substantially because of technology.

So the benefits of this future are becoming more distributed in direct proportion to the exponential growth of personal freedoms and expanded choices worldwide: http://www.amazon.com/Army-Davids-Technology-Ordinary-Government-ebook/dp/B003R4Z2KO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438425295&sr=8-1&keywords=An+army+of+davids


But, as usual, you get to be just as downtrodden, cheated and unfulfilled as you choose, who am I to force you to become that which you won't?

[Ocean1]

Changed that for ya for a little more accuracy... still only a tiny part though.

Oh it's been obvious for ages that you're delusional meanderings relate more to a society where everything is scarce as fuck.

So go there. Burn your money and live your dream.

Quietly.

Somewhere else.

[Ocean1]

The fact that you don't understand the answers you receive proves beyond a doubt that you are clueless.

Anything, and I do actually mean anything, you say I see as null and void because you are unaware of how they both work.

bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... ignorance it is :niceone:


The fact that you avoid simple questions and attempt to divert attention from that with protracted, irrelevant and inconsequential drivel is all the evidence required that you don't actually have a clue.

I don't need to read drivel twice. In fact as you rarely provide anything else I probably don't need to read yours once.

....................

[mashman]

Oh it's been obvious for ages that you're delusional meanderings relate more to a society where everything is scarce as fuck.

So go there. Burn your money and live your dream.

Quietly.

Somewhere else.

Then you have been wrong for ages. That's a fact I've known for ages.

I am.

Fuck you scared blind old white muthafucka.

Get fucked.

[mashman]

....................

Shift position or I will view your post as your brain activity.

[bogan]

Look around you: The future is already here.

A point I've been at pains to demonstrate for some time.

http://www.amazon.com/Abundance-Future-Better-Than-Think/dp/145161683X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438424804&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Future+Is+Better+Than+You+Think

The book's four main points are:

1: Technologies in computing, energy, medicine and many other areas are improving at an exponential rate and will soon enable breakthroughs that today seem impossible.
2: These technologies have allowed independent innovators to achieve startling advances in many areas of technology with little money or manpower.
3: Technology has created a generation of "techno-philanthropists" (such as Bill Gates) who are using their billions to try to solve seemingly unsolvable problems such as hunger and disease.
4: The lives of the world's poorest people are being improved substantially because of technology.

So the benefits of this future are becoming more distributed in direct proportion to the exponential growth of personal freedoms and expanded choices worldwide: http://www.amazon.com/Army-Davids-Technology-Ordinary-Government-ebook/dp/B003R4Z2KO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438425295&sr=8-1&keywords=An+army+of+davids


But, as usual, you get to be just as downtrodden, cheated and unfulfilled as you choose, who am I to force you to become that which you won't?

Indeed, and with the chicken well on the way, you wonder why mashy is so keen to be breaking eggs...


Pre-scarcity is like utopia, you never reach it. So any inference is entirely yours :killingme

Pre-ceding, as in, something to follow on afterwards. That correct prefix you were looking for was anti-scarcity, or perhaps pre-bounty; or maybe just post-scarcity, Ocean still has the right of it you see.

[mashman]

Pre-ceding, as in, something to follow on afterwards. That correct prefix you were looking for was anti-scarcity, or perhaps pre-bounty; or maybe just post-scarcity, Ocean still has the right of it you see.

He doesn't, because he doesn't understand my position... and obviously that means neither do you. Pre is my prefix of choice. I thought the analogy of utopia would have clarified that... given that you say we share an understanding that is.

[bogan]

He doesn't, because he doesn't understand my position... and obviously that means neither do you. Pre is my prefix of choice. I thought the analogy of utopia would have clarified that... given that you say we share an understanding that is.

We don't share the conclusion is all.

Ocean clarified what you meant the first time, it's fine.

[mashman]

We don't share the conclusion is all.

Ocean clarified what you meant the first time, it's fine.

all... lol. Ok.

:yawn:

[Brian d marge]

Look around you: The future is already here.

A point I've been at pains to demonstrate for some time.

http://www.amazon.com/Abundance-Future-Better-Than-Think/dp/145161683X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438424804&sr=8-1&keywords=The+Future+Is+Better+Than+You+Think

The book's four main points are:

1: Technologies in computing, energy, medicine and many other areas are improving at an exponential rate and will soon enable breakthroughs that today seem impossible.
2: These technologies have allowed independent innovators to achieve startling advances in many areas of technology with little money or manpower.
3: Technology has created a generation of "techno-philanthropists" (such as Bill Gates) who are using their billions to try to solve seemingly unsolvable problems such as hunger and disease.
4: The lives of the world's poorest people are being improved substantially because of technology.

So the benefits of this future are becoming more distributed in direct proportion to the exponential growth of personal freedoms and expanded choices worldwide: http://www.amazon.com/Army-Davids-Technology-Ordinary-Government-ebook/dp/B003R4Z2KO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1438425295&sr=8-1&keywords=An+army+of+davids


But, as usual, you get to be just as downtrodden, cheated and unfulfilled as you choose, who am I to force you to become that which you won't?
Yes I can see the green glow from fukushima from here

And that nice microsoft man just luvs him some charity . . .as he gets a 1 to 1 tax break

Bout time ya whipped out ya chart


Fraid mashy has it right . . And chances are you will never know why

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[mashman]

NZ to unveil family violence reform (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/29160065/nz-to-unveil-family-violence-reform/)... yet more ignorantly useless tom fuckery from your representatives.

[carbonhed]

NZ to unveil family violence reform (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/29160065/nz-to-unveil-family-violence-reform/)... yet more ignorantly useless tom fuckery from your representatives.

It's a discussion document...

You need to put the internet down and walk away from it.

[Ocean1]

NZ to unveil family violence reform (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/29160065/nz-to-unveil-family-violence-reform/)... yet more ignorantly useless tom fuckery from your representatives.

You have a problem with a study that hasn't been done yet?

Is there no beginning to your intelligence?

[mashman]

It's a discussion document...

You need to put the internet down and walk away from it.

Just like the flag discussion and the TPP discussion and the smacking discussion and and and and all of those other discussion papers that just discuss stuff?

I do for the vast majority of my day... thanks for your concern.


You have a problem with a study that hasn't been done yet?

Is there no beginning to your intelligence?

Other than it being at minimum 50 years too late? and that the only proposed solutions are legislation? Yes, I do.

:yawn:

[blue rider]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xft1/v/t1.0-9/11817241_923857231006129_4130620226031001477_n.jpg ?oh=235dcc24fd901c5404a1ff57ff085d58&oe=564B4AD4&__gda__=1447344734_87de67c1edb96050d2552e1a850814e 8


:)

[oldrider]

Apparently not everyone believes the USA bullshit on Ukraine! :oi-grr:

Dutch Intellectuals Apologize to Putin for Lies on MH17, Syria, Ukraine...
Wednesday, 27 August 2014

Link:http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25981/53/

[mashman]

Apparently not everyone believes the USA bullshit on Ukraine! :oi-grr:

Dutch Intellectuals Apologize to Putin for Lies on MH17, Syria, Ukraine...
Wednesday, 27 August 2014

Link:http://macedoniaonline.eu/content/view/25981/53/

Wonder if they're still in the land of the living :shifty:

[husaberg]

Wonder if they're still in the land of the living :shifty:

So Russia never had any troops or Equipment in the Ukraine?
Russian permanent representative to the United Nations Vitaly Churkin presented on 4 March a photocopy of a letter signed by Victor Yanukovich on 1 March 2014 asking that Russian president Vladimir Putin use Russian armed forces to "restore the rule of law, peace, order, stability and protection of the population of Ukraine". Both houses of the Russian parliament voted on 1 March to give President Putin the right to use Russian troops in Crimea.On 24 June Vladimir Putin asked Russian parliament to cancel resolution on use of Russian forces in Ukraine. The next day Federation Council voted to repeal previous decision making it illegal to use Russian military in Ukraine.


Next thing you will try and tell us Russia never had any pilots in the Korean war.

[oldrider]

Googled HAARP to try and find out what it's all about - what they are doing, who's doing it and possibly - why? - Seems to be linked to Tesla's theories! :corn:

Link:http://www.haarp.net/

Quote from article: HAARP experimenters do not impress commonsense Alaskans such as Barbara Zickuhr, who says "They're like boys playing with a sharp stick, finding a sleeping bear and poking it in the butt to see what's going to happen." - such situations not always inclined to end well. :oi-grr:

[mashman]

So Russia never had any troops or Equipment in the Ukraine?
Russian permanent representative to the United Nations Vitaly Churkin presented on 4 March a photocopy of a letter signed by Victor Yanukovich on 1 March 2014 asking that Russian president Vladimir Putin use Russian armed forces to "restore the rule of law, peace, order, stability and protection of the population of Ukraine". Both houses of the Russian parliament voted on 1 March to give President Putin the right to use Russian troops in Crimea.On 24 June Vladimir Putin asked Russian parliament to cancel resolution on use of Russian forces in Ukraine. The next day Federation Council voted to repeal previous decision making it illegal to use Russian military in Ukraine.


Next thing you will try and tell us Russia never had any pilots in the Korean war.

So Maidan Nezalezhnosti was all Putin? bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa... fortunately the intellectuals know better.

[husaberg]

So Maidan Nezalezhnosti was all Putin? bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa... fortunately the intellectuals know better.

Enerish please Mashy?
I asked if Russia had troups in the Ukraine or not?
I also asked you if you seriously believe the Russians propaganda any more than anyone's else's.
Especially considering they to have a history of unofficially being in wars such as Korea

[oldrider]

Next thing you will try and tell us Russia never had any pilots in the Korean war.

He didn't try to tell anybody anything - he just responded to the fact of the letter in the post!

Nice people these Ukrainians: http://www.leurenmoret.info/currents/mh-17-jesuits-flagged-brics/azov-crucifixion-.html - :sick:

Check out the actual video at the bottom - we have come a long way since the year dot! :puke:

[mashman]

Enerish please Mashy?

Your failure to understand is not my problem.

[mashman]

He didn't try to tell anybody anything - he just responded to the fact of the letter in the post!

Nice people these Ukrainians: http://www.leurenmoret.info/currents/mh-17-jesuits-flagged-brics/azov-crucifixion-.html - :sick:

Check out the actual video at the bottom - we have come a long way since the year dot! :puke:

Sick cunts... husa will likely claim that that was Putin too... also highly likely to jack off to the vid.

[husaberg]

Your failure to understand is not my problem.

Yes it is, As your reply makes no sense.


Sick cunts... husa will likely claim that that was Putin too... also highly likely to jack off to the vid.
You are projecting Mashy your thoughts on what you think other think, reveal more about your own thoughts than others.
I never suggested Putin did anything other than having troops and materials in another country.

[mashman]

Yes it is, As your reply makes no sense.

You are projecting Mashy your thoughts on what you think other think, reveal more about your own thoughts than others.

Oldrider understood it.

Sorry, was just going on your posting history, and as you didn't deny it, well.....

[husaberg]

Oldrider understood it.

Sorry, was just going on your posting history, and as you didn't deny it, well.....
No mashy I was suggesting yet the Russians have vested intrests.
But don't worry the report will be out in OCT. The one that Russia refuse to co-operate in.
Yeah But oldie and you do share some other understandings though aye Mashy.:clap:

[mashman]

No mashy I was suggesting yet the Russians have vested intrests.
But don't worry the report will be out in OCT. The one that Russia refuse to co-operate in.
Yeah But oldie and you do share some other understandings though aye Mashy.:clap:

I know what you were suggesting and I responded as such.
Report :killingme... is that going to trump the Ukrainian ground crew that defected because a Ukrainian plane returned without a missile at exactly the same time as the plane was shot down? Actually, don't answer that, you have ocean report blindness.
Is that meant to excuse your lack of understanding? bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa.

[husaberg]

I know what you were suggesting and I responded as such.
Report :killingme... is that going to trump the Ukrainian ground crew that defected because a Ukrainian plane returned without a missile at exactly the same time as the plane was shot down? Actually, don't answer that, you have ocean report blindness.
Is that meant to excuse your lack of understanding? bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa.

Wow you know what the report will say months ahead of its release. How informed you are (by informed I of course mean deluded)
I would suggest that anyone that read your post would say it makes very little sense.



So Russia never had any troops or Equipment in the Ukraine?
Russian permanent representative to the United Nations Vitaly Churkin presented on 4 March a photocopy of a letter signed by Victor Yanukovich on 1 March 2014 asking that Russian president Vladimir Putin use Russian armed forces to "restore the rule of law, peace, order, stability and protection of the population of Ukraine". Both houses of the Russian parliament voted on 1 March to give President Putin the right to use Russian troops in Crimea.On 24 June Vladimir Putin asked Russian parliament to cancel resolution on use of Russian forces in Ukraine. The next day Federation Council voted to repeal previous decision making it illegal to use Russian military in Ukraine.
Next thing you will try and tell us Russia never had any pilots in the Korean war.


So Maidan Nezalezhnosti was all Putin? bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa... fortunately the intellectuals know better.

[mashman]

Wow you know what the report will say months ahead of its release. How informed you are (by informed I of course mean deluded)
I would suggest that anyone that read your post would say it makes very little sense.

It was a question, not a statement of what was going to be in any report.
At the time of my response you had only posted "So Russia never had any troops or Equipment in the Ukraine?"... so yeah, it will look silly in response to the rest. Fortunately I know that and therefore realise that the post wasn't silly at all.

So, I would suggest that you;re trying to overcompensate for low self-worth? I say that, as it is evidenced by you needing to reinforce something out of context, not once, but twice in the same post. Takes a speshul kind of talent that does son :niceone:

[husaberg]

I know what you were suggesting and I responded as such.
Report :killingme... is that going to trump the Ukrainian ground crew that defected because a Ukrainian plane returned without a missile at exactly the same time as the plane was shot down? Actually, don't answer that, you have ocean report blindness.
Is that meant to excuse your lack of understanding? bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa.


It was a question, not a statement of what was going to be in any report.
At the time of my response you had only posted "So Russia never had any troops or Equipment in the Ukraine?"... so yeah, it will look silly in response to the rest. Fortunately I know that and therefore realise that the post wasn't silly at all.

So, I would suggest that you;re trying to overcompensate for low self-worth? I say that, as it is evidenced by you needing to reinforce something out of context, not once, but twice in the same post. Takes a speshul kind of talent that does son :niceone:

Mashy you can't claim that your statements are a question. When you are trying you use them as being facts.
You actually have no proof to support your statements (sorry mashy questions) Adding a question mark does not invalidate that.
I am glad that you in hindsight agree your response was silly. I look forward to more hind sighted relations from you in the future.
As an aside I would suggest you leave the psychology to me, or get a degree and then we will talk some more on a more level playing field. Because as it stands you are out of your depth and well short of talent. But then again you are bloody interesting:nya: Pull up a chair and tell me about your mother issues.

[mashman]

Mashy you can't claim that your statements are a question. When you are trying you use them as being facts.
You actually have no proof to support your statements (sorry mashy questions) Adding a question mark does not invalidate that.
I am glad that you in hindsight agree your response was silly I look forward to more hind sighted relations from you in the future.
As an aside I would suggest you leave the psychology to me, or get a degree and then we will talk some more on a more level laying field. Because as it stands you are out of your depth and well short of talent. But then again you are bloody interesting:nya: Pull up a chair and tell me about your mother issues.

Sorry, your lies and deception are not worthy of any further...........

[husaberg]

Sorry, your lies and deception are not worthy of any further...........

Do you think your mummy was dishonest with you?

I asked you if you were trying to make out that Russia had no troops in the Ukraine I also asked you if you seriously believe thart Russia had also not had pilots in the Korean war.
You tried to wiggle out of it by trying to say it was history. yet previously you have said this

My most favouritist quote ever... Albert Einstein and his definition of Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.:

Ps gee you have been a little angry the last couple of days.

[mashman]

George Galloway: ‘If Corbyn wins, I’d rejoin Labour pretty damn quick’ (http://www.rt.com/uk/311265-galloway-corbyn-labour-return/)... 5 years til the UK becomes Greece then lol.

[Ocean1]

Yes I can see the green glow from fukushima from here

Which is relevant how?


And that nice microsoft man just luvs him some charity . . .as he gets a 1 to 1 tax break

Which is exactly why he does it no doubt.

Perhaps you should go explain to all those charities how hard done they are because Bill doesn't pay tax on money he give them.


Bout time ya whipped out ya chart

I would. But you've demonstrated numerous times before now that you're incapable if assimilating facts, no matter how they're presented.


Fraid mashy has it right . . And chances are you will never know why

He's almost as dim witted as you, the chances of him being right about anything are so slight that even you could do the maths. You can add up to zero, can't you?

[Brian d marge]

Which is relevant how?



Which is exactly why he does it no doubt.

Perhaps you should go explain to all those charities how hard done they are because Bill doesn't pay tax on money he give them.



I would. But you've demonstrated numerous times before now that you're incapable if assimilating facts, no matter how they're presented.



He's almost as dim witted as you, the chances of him being right about anything are so slight that even you could do the maths. You can add up to zero, can't you?


I was going to reply to everyone of your points ....

but then I realized .....if you cant see the relationship between fukushima and the benefits to man, then the rest of the points will just baffle you

As for facts , I have a harbour bridge for sale , you still interested ?

Stephen

[Ocean1]

I was going to reply to everyone of your points ....

but then I realized .....if you cant see the relationship between fukushima and the benefits to man, then the rest of the points will just baffle you

As for facts , I have a harbour bridge for sale , you still interested ?

Stephen

So, when someone says "future tech available for everyone" you see a 30 year old nuclear power plant design?

That suggests you're not grown up enough to be involved in that discussion, don't it?

[Brian d marge]

So, when someone says "future tech available for everyone" you see a 30 year old nuclear power plant design?

That suggests you're not grown up enough to be involved in that discussion, don't it?

Not at your level, one is assured

Stephen

[jonbuoy]

Awesome World..........

http://home.web.cern.ch/about/updates/2015/07/discovery-new-class-particles-lhc

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33353370

[Ocean1]

Awesome World..........
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-33353370

Hope he's paid tax on that...

[Brian d marge]

Hope he's paid tax on that...
I knew you didnt understand



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[Ocean1]

I knew you didnt understand



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I understand that some consider the tax exemption of charitable donations to be unfair for some reason.

But seriously, you'd have to be totally fucked in the head to consider it some sort of unethical process. I mean, the donation is 100% gone from the donor's pocket, whether he's paid tax on it or not simply alters the quantity actually available to charity.

There's nothing quite as ugly as the petty jealousy that's capable of the sort of logical contortions that can bitch about how much someone has voluntarily given from his own pocket. Except the sort that expects him to pay twice as much to compensate for another charity having taken the first lot.

[mashman]

Migrant flow to Europe is result of US, EU military ops in Middle East – Czech president (http://www.rt.com/news/311407-migrant-crisis-eu-policy/)... "Police reportedly stopped the crowd by using a chemical irritant" chemical warfare eh.

Palestinian youths clash with police at Al-Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem (http://www.rt.com/news/311403-jerusalem-mosque-palestinians-clashes/)... :facepalm:

[mashman]

Peters offers voters the `New Kiwi Deal' (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/29161342/peters-offers-voters-the-new-kiwi-deal/)

"The most pressing issue is work and real wages - ignore the official figures, unemployment and underemployment are rife."

bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaa... but but but reports.

[James Deuce]

I understand that some consider the tax exemption of charitable donations to be unfair for some reason.

But seriously, you'd have to be totally fucked in the head to consider it some sort of unethical process. I mean, the donation is 100% gone from the donor's pocket, whether he's paid tax on it or not simply alters the quantity actually available to charity.

There's nothing quite as ugly as the petty jealousy that's capable of the sort of logical contortions that can bitch about how much someone has voluntarily given from his own pocket. Except the sort that expects him to pay twice as much to compensate for another charity having taken the first lot.

Voluntarily given in the misguided impression that Charities actually do anything except farm money.

The whole rort needs to go. Charities need to pay tax. Churches need to pay tax. The very best charities are hitting about 8% of income going out in actual aid that measurably improves an outcome related to the specific goal of the charity. 99% of them are as bullshit as churches.

[mashman]

Koch warns conservatives must demand smaller government (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/koch-warns-conservatives-must-demand-223201986.html)... bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa, coz it's all the govt fault :killingme where the fuck do these people get their ideas from.

[mashman]

Proof of Trump's charity giving elusive (http://news.yahoo.com/proof-trumps-charity-giving-elusive-134515907--election.html)... sorry dude, you simply haven't given enough and therefore aren't worthy of anything.

[Ocean1]

Voluntarily given in the misguided impression that Charities actually do anything except farm money.

The whole rort needs to go. Charities need to pay tax. Churches need to pay tax. The very best charities are hitting about 8% of income going out in actual aid that measurably improves an outcome related to the specific goal of the charity. 99% of them are as bullshit as churches.

I don't agree. And my old man was involved in exposing one of the largest "charitable" rorts ever. Donations for genuine charities should be tax deductible, but let's define charities as those run by volunteers. By all means blame the governments that gave charities that spend most of the donations "in-house" tax exempt status, but don't blame those who dug into their own pocket to help. An ethical solution is pretty simple, make the exemption relative to the amount actually hitting the target.

Also, most of the big philanthropic contributors don't actually use existing organisations, they set up their own charitable trusts where they've got control over "costs", (cough), and the books for most of those are pretty transparent.

[Brian d marge]

I don't agree. And my old man was involved in exposing one of the largest "charitable" rorts ever. Donations for genuine charities should be tax deductible, but let's define charities as those run by volunteers. By all means blame the governments that gave charities that spend most of the donations "in-house" tax exempt status, but don't blame those who dug into their own pocket to help. An ethical solution is pretty simple, make the exemption relative to the amount actually hitting the target.

Also, most of the big philanthropic contributors don't actually use existing organisations, they set up their own charitable trusts where they've got control over "costs", (cough), and the books for most of those are pretty transparent.

I think you had better spend sometime on google ..... As Im sure you do not understand the Tax benefits the US gives for Donations to charities

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-king-willemalexander-declares-the-end-of-the-welfare-state-8822421.html

Cant see this ending well ....my pop down to Bunnings... and get me fire extinguishers checked !

Stephen

[mashman]

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/dutch-king-willemalexander-declares-the-end-of-the-welfare-state-8822421.html

Cant see this ending well ....my pop down to Bunnings... and get me fire extinguishers checked !

Stephen

Getting rid of the king would be a good start... fucker sounds baked.

[jonbuoy]

I think you had better spend sometime on google ..... As Im sure you do not understand the Tax benefits the US gives for Donations to charities

Stephen

Would you be happier if he just opted in for complete tax avoidance schemes like other wealthy people?

[Brian d marge]

Would you be happier if he just opted in for complete tax avoidance schemes like other wealthy people?
Now why would you say such a thing


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[jonbuoy]

Now why would you say such a thing


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So your happy hes donating to charity?

[Ocean1]

I think you had better spend sometime on google ..... As Im sure you do not understand the Tax benefits the US gives for Donations to charities

Stephen

OK...

It's exactly as I understood: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charitable_contribution_deductions_in_the_United_S tates

Which must mean, leme see now... YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT!

[husaberg]

I think you had better spend sometime on google ..... As Im sure you do not understand the Tax benefits the US gives for Donations to charities

Stephen

Silly Stephen, Tax is only for poor people.:lol:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/02/18/facebook-doesnt-pay-taxes-on-its-profits-so-what/
http://www.cheatsheet.com/business/4-big-companies-that-pay-virtually-no-income-tax.html/?a=viewall

[Ocean1]

Silly Stephen, Tax is only for poor people.:lol:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/02/18/facebook-doesnt-pay-taxes-on-its-profits-so-what/
http://www.cheatsheet.com/business/4-big-companies-that-pay-virtually-no-income-tax.html/?a=viewall

The "Citizens for Tax Justice" facebook claim the Forbes article was rebutting is pretty heavily spun. Sad to see such bullshit taken seriously.

There is certainly a case for multinationals to be paying tax on earnings taken in each country TO that country, rather than shuffle it back to some pea-and-shell game featuring the Cayman Islands or some such...

[husaberg]

The "Citizens for Tax Justice" facebook claim the Forbes article was rebutting is pretty heavily spun. Sad to see such bullshit taken seriously.

There is certainly a case for multinationals to be paying tax on earnings taken in each country TO that country, rather than shuffle it back to some pea-and-shell game featuring the Cayman Islands or some such...

From Memory they only paid about 12000 dollars here a few years ago.
There is a case but no one has the balls.

[Brian d marge]

Silly Stephen, Tax is only for poor people.:lol:
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/02/18/facebook-doesnt-pay-taxes-on-its-profits-so-what/
http://www.cheatsheet.com/business/4-big-companies-that-pay-virtually-no-income-tax.html/?a=viewall

Must spread me legs again .....

but I can give you
314363

Stephen

[Brian d marge]

OK...

It's exactly as I understood: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charitable_contribution_deductions_in_the_United_S tates

Which must mean, leme see now... YOU'RE FULL OF SHIT!

Now let me see on that page if it mentions; "Lifetime Legacies" nope cant see it anywhere

I may be full of sh1t , but A; at least I know what Im talking about ! B; I know what Im talking about even when Im pissed.

I hope you re good friends with your drawing board ...you might be spending some time there


Stephen

[Ocean1]

From Memory they only paid about 12000 dollars here a few years ago.
There is a case but no one has the balls.

Who? Facebook?

I don't think it's lack of balls so much as the same old issue with large economies screwing small ones. Simply: access to their market is a bigger deal for us than ours is to them. Tax law that benefits high earners in large countries at the expense of the likes of NZ is very much against that "most un-American in favouring the big guy over the little" ethos mentioned in the Forbes item.

There's a few rules here in NZ I think could be changed to benefit the economy too.

[husaberg]

Who? Facebook?

.
In NZ Yes. Sorry it was actually $14000 dollars :laugh:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10850796
At least then paid about the same as a mid range Lawyer last year though, wow
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/70123183/facebook-new-zealands-trifling-tax-take


I don't think it's lack of balls so much as the same old issue with large economies screwing small ones. Simply: access to their market is a bigger deal for us than ours is to them. Tax law that benefits high earners in large countries at the expense of the likes of NZ is very much against that "most un-American in favouring the big guy over the little" ethos mentioned in the Forbes item.
There's a few rules here in NZ I think could be changed to benefit the economy too.
It is lack of Balls that why we get screwed.
Facebook is not a big earner for NZ. Taxing them on advertising revenue earned in NZ is only fair.

Look at Googles tax paid.

[Ocean1]

In NZ Yes. Sorry it was actually $14000 dollars :laugh:
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=10850796
At least then paid about the same as a mid range Lawyer last year though, wow
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/70123183/facebook-new-zealands-trifling-tax-take


It is lack of Balls that why we get screwed.
Facebook is not a big earner for NZ. Taxing them on advertising revenue earned in NZ is only fair.

I didn't say it was. It is a high earner from a large country, though.

And dodgy as fuck. Sounds like the OECD is on their generic case.

[Brian d marge]

I didn't say it was. It is a high earner from a large country, though.

And dodgy as fuck. Sounds like the OECD is on their generic case.
I give u 6 months and u will be agreeing with mashie and I

Hope you can grow ya hair ya hippie

[Brian d marge]

I dont live ib nz . .but I pay a lot of tax there so reach into your pockets and give me my money back
Especially u ocean

But im flexible as I have said

Im good for a mars bar

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33763628



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[mashman]

I dont live ib nz . .but I pay a lot of tax there so reach into your pockets and give me my money back
Especially u ocean

But im flexible as I have said

Im good for a mars bar

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-33763628



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lolz... come get it :shifty:

I guess the Milky Bar kid didn't make enough money to keep him out of jail. Kinda funny that a simple trader can do these things. The system must be rigged :shit:

[mashman]

The $70,000-a-year minimum wage CEO grapples with consequences (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/70-000-minimum-wage-ceo-152439914.html)... bwaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa

[mashman]

Catalonia poised to call early poll as proxy independence vote (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/world/a/29168188/catalonia-poised-to-call-early-poll-as-proxy-independence-vote/)

"During a visit to Catalonia last month, King Felipe VI warned Catalan leaders that "respect for the law is the source of legitimacy and an unavoidable requirement for living together democratically in peace and freedom"."... respect for the law :killingme

[mashman]

Farmer visited by Obama is now the face of California’s drought (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/farmer-visited-by-obama-is-now-the-face-of-125535895256.html)

“I feel like I am doing my part to get people to understand what this crisis is doing here, how this affects everyone,” he said. “We feed you. … If we don’t survive, where will the food come from?”

[Brian d marge]

Farmer visited by Obama is now the face of California’s drought (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/farmer-visited-by-obama-is-now-the-face-of-125535895256.html)

“I feel like I am doing my part to get people to understand what this crisis is doing here, how this affects everyone,” he said. “We feed you. … If we don’t survive, where will the food come from?”
Monsanto will have the answer

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[Brian d marge]

Damn hippies
http://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/home-property/70810708/My-town-calls-my-lawn-a-nuisance-but-I-still-refuse-to-mow-it


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[mashman]

Damn hippies
http://i.stuff.co.nz/life-style/home-property/70810708/My-town-calls-my-lawn-a-nuisance-but-I-still-refuse-to-mow-it

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Save the environment. Burn a hippy.

[Brian d marge]

Its the crusties that burn well

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[mashman]

Its the crusties that burn well

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I would have thought the preggers would have more energy.

[blue rider]

Farmer visited by Obama is now the face of California’s drought (https://www.yahoo.com/politics/farmer-visited-by-obama-is-now-the-face-of-125535895256.html)

“I feel like I am doing my part to get people to understand what this crisis is doing here, how this affects everyone,” he said. “We feed you. … If we don’t survive, where will the food come from?”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HC5soDYcVo

just less pretty....

[mashman]

Homeland Security admits CISA info-sharing bill could 'sweep away' privacy protections (http://www.rt.com/usa/311578-cisa-bill-security-internet/)... Could? bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaa

[Brian d marge]

Prof Keene and Max ...Lots of interesting info

http://<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/TVaVPMMvyPk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> (http://<iframe width=&quot;560&quot; height=&quot;315&quot; src=&quot;https://www.youtube.com/embed/TVaVPMMvyPk&quot; frameborder=&quot;0&quot; allowfullscreen></iframe>)

Stephen

[mashman]

Prof Keene and Max ...Lots of interesting info

Stephen

"Naive view of money", no, really, say it ain't so, from 1st year to PHD to full blown career under the misnomer that money is only an exchange mechanism you say. I'm gonna look into that. Didn't the students at Manchester Uni mention something similar last year?

Robert Barro is correct, Steve Keen is wrong ;)... which is kind of ironic given his explanation of the moving seesaw. A bob each way perhaps :shifty:.

OMG did Stacey just blame the banks for not doing due dilligence for their lending instead of blaming the borrower :killingme

And the solution. Rolling debt jubilees :killingme :facepalm:. Reminds me of the Einstein Insanity definition: "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.".

[mashman]

New flag may boost economy by billions: PM (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/29192751/new-flag-may-boost-economy-by-billions-pm/)... bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... what a fuckin moron.

[carbonhed]

New flag may boost economy by billions: PM (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/29192751/new-flag-may-boost-economy-by-billions-pm/)... bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... what a fuckin moron.


bwaaaahahahaha except he's right of course. Fucking dildo.

[Brian d marge]

bwaaaahahahaha except he's right of course. Fucking dildo.
It will keep you amused for a while
Meanwhile hows that rockstar economey



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[mashman]

bwaaaahahahaha except he's right of course. Fucking dildo.

Yeah, it MAY boost the economy, OVER TIME, for China as they'll be the ones producing the merchandise with the NZ flag on it for NZ businesses to buy back and sell to NZers. Priceless fucktardery.

[carbonhed]

Yeah, it MAY boost the economy, OVER TIME, for China as they'll be the ones producing the merchandise with the NZ flag on it for NZ businesses to buy back and sell to NZers. Priceless fucktardery.

Almost any price is worth paying if you two Pommy douchebags are drop kicked back to the shitholes you call home.

[Brian d marge]

Almost any price is worth paying if you two Pommy douchebags are drop kicked back to the shitholes you call home.
That would be new zealand

Dumbarse

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[husaberg]

bwaaaahahahaha except he's right of course. Fucking dildo.

If you want to boost the economy directing money to pay for stuff produced outside of our own country is not really the best way to do it.
They could have taken all that same money and gave it to the tax payers that would have boasted the economy.
Or they could have invested it in a project that creates employment.
I see it as a side show. Away from how poor they are performing.

[mashman]

That would be new zealand

Dumbarse

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bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa... that and the UK is coming here by the looks of things, whether the she'll be right crowd like it or not, so I'm gonna get the best of both worlds irrespective :laugh:

[bogan]

If you want to boost the economy directing money to pay for stuff produced outside of our own country is not really the best way to do it.
They could have taken all that same money and gave it to the tax payers that would have boasted the economy.
Or they could have invested it in a project that creates employment.
I see it as a side show. Away from how poor they are performing.

Did I miss something? was that not about spending fuck all (and in NZ at that) on a flag change?

[carbonhed]

bwaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa... that and the UK is coming here by the looks of things, whether the she'll be right crowd like it or not, so I'm gonna get the best of both worlds irrespective :laugh:

Unhappy at home, miserable abroad. The classic whiney pommy arsehole despised everywhere he drags his sorry arse.

Try Australia. They fucking love you over there.

[husaberg]

Did I miss something? was that not about spending fuck all (and in NZ at that) on a flag change?

Fuck all, Can I borrow a $20 of you (million) edit 25million without changing flag, yet no money for solid energy.

[mashman]

Unhappy at home, miserable abroad. The classic whiney pommy arsehole despised everywhere he drags his sorry arse.

Try Australia. They fucking love you over there.

Could be something to do with the foreigners we meet.

Nah... more fun watchin the locals, somewhat ironically I might add, moan and bitch about us poms moaning and bitching than it would be to be welcomed with open arms elsewhere. You brighten my day. Thanks :niceone:

[carbonhed]

Could be something to do with the foreigners we meet.

Nah... more fun watchin the locals, somewhat ironically I might add, moan and bitch about us poms moaning and bitching than it would be to be welcomed with open arms elsewhere. You brighten my day. Thanks :niceone:


bwaaaahahaha you've found somewhere where you're welcomed with open arms.... fkin brilliant... priceless.... that scouse humour.... cue more retarded bwahahhhahaaaaaaaa.

And with that I bid you adieu. Have a nice day!

[mashman]

bwaaaahahaha you've found somewhere where you're welcomed with open arms.... fkin brilliant... priceless.... that scouse humour.... cue more retarded bwahahhhahaaaaaaaa.



And with that I bid you adieu. Have a nice day!

heh... may your evening be as funny as me.

[bogan]

Fuck all, Can I borrow a $20 of you (million) edit 25million without changing flag, yet no money for solid energy.

When it comes down to around 5 bucks each person in the country, and you're still making it financial, the question about changing our nation's flag, our national identity some might even say; an issue about the five bucks each cost, that's fucked up.

I think we should change it.

Perhaps the solid energy issue is also not just about money...

[husaberg]

When it comes down to around 5 bucks each person in the country, and you're still making it financial, the question about changing our nation's flag, our national identity some might even say; an issue about the five bucks each cost, that's fucked up.

I think we should change it.

Perhaps the solid energy issue is also not just about money...

Bogan the 25 million is only the cost of discussing the change.
Solid energy was made to borrow money to pay a dividend, They were made to buy a worthless mine.(Pike)
They were also made to pay a Carbon tax that would normally be equivalent to there profit margin to who?
They were made to stop production underground because of pike then had to lay off and pay a heap of redundancies. Yet more $$$$$$
China refused to honour contracts yet when NZ does for a Saudi sheep farmer, NZ shells out. Yet there was not a whisper about Chinas contracts they never honoured..........
On paper as a company they are pretty worthless unless you consider they own most of the mineral rights to NZ.
What's the bet they will be flogged off for bugger all to a Rio Tinto or a BHP.
Solid energy was badly run, were badly run, but the Government is happy to prop up the private bluff smelter but not their own company?
The number of jobs is similar the ownership is not.

[Brian d marge]

Try Australia. They fucking love you over there.

Thats better than the kiwis . . .

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[Lightbulb]

To me, the issues that have failed solid energy, formerly coal corp is similar to fonterras current issues. They decided to use commodity price structure for the sale of coal international pricing. Originally coal corp was to supply NZ businesses competitive priced coal. But changed to a profit centre. Initially it all looked good until the commodity prices dropped. The coal is still a very valuable resource , but like other things will be sold off cheap for a foreign buyer to making money from NZ and effectively be adding to our international debt. Effectively we will be paying them to take our recourses.
Every thing that has been privatised has ended up costing more for NZ consumers. Not 1 thing sold has brought lower prices for, power, water,medical care, communications, etc etc.
Neil

[Brian d marge]

heh... may your evening be as funny as me.
Now look what you did

all the fish left the barrel



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[Brian d marge]

When it comes down to around 5 bucks each person in the country, and you're still making it financial, the question about changing our nation's flag, our national identity some might even say; an issue about the five bucks each cost, that's fucked up.

I think we should change it.

Perhaps the solid energy issue is also not just about money...
I like the new design where the silver fern replaces the union jack

But wouldnt that 26 million dollars be better spend on dole bludging layabouts

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[Brian d marge]

To me, the issues that have failed solid energy, formerly coal corp is similar to fonterras current issues. They decided to use commodity price structure for the sale of coal international pricing. Originally coal corp was to supply NZ businesses competitive priced coal. But changed to a profit centre. Initially it all looked good until the commodity prices dropped. The coal is still a very valuable resource , but like other things will be sold off cheap for a foreign buyer to making money from NZ and effectively be adding to our international debt. Effectively we will be paying them to take our recourses.
Every thing that has been privatised has ended up costing more for NZ consumers. Not 1 thing sold has brought lower prices for, power, water,medical care, communications, etc etc.
Neil
That my young friend is called asset stripping

I wonder how the mom and pop investors are getting along with their share prices

They should have invested in chinese houses . .


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[Scuba_Steve]

Bogan the 25 million is only the cost of discussing the change.
Solid energy was made to borrow money to pay a dividend, They were made to buy a worthless mine.(Pike)
They were also made to pay a Carbon tax that would normally be equivalent to there profit margin to who?
They were made to stop production underground because of pike then had to lay off and pay a heap of redundancies. Yet more $$$$$$
China refused to honour contracts yet when NZ does for a Saudi sheep farmer, NZ shells out. Yet there was not a whisper about Chinas contracts they never honoured..........
On paper as a company they are pretty worthless unless you consider they own most of the mineral rights to NZ.
What's the bet they will be flogged off for bugger all to a Rio Tinto or a BHP.
Solid energy was badly run, were badly run, but the Government is happy to prop up the private bluff smelter but not their own company?
The number of jobs is similar the ownership is not.

Careful there, it's starting to sound very much like a conspiracy theory

[bogan]

Bogan the 25 million is only the cost of discussing the change.
Solid energy was made to borrow money to pay a dividend, They were made to buy a worthless mine.(Pike)
They were also made to pay a Carbon tax that would normally be equivalent to there profit margin to who?
They were made to stop production underground because of pike then had to lay off and pay a heap of redundancies. Yet more $$$$$$
China refused to honour contracts yet when NZ does for a Saudi sheep farmer, NZ shells out. Yet there was not a whisper about Chinas contracts they never honoured..........
On paper as a company they are pretty worthless unless you consider they own most of the mineral rights to NZ.
What's the bet they will be flogged off for bugger all to a Rio Tinto or a BHP.
Solid energy was badly run, were badly run, but the Government is happy to prop up the private bluff smelter but not their own company?
The number of jobs is similar the ownership is not.

Cost of the referendum init? We're discussing it now, for free. My point is that a flag change is not about money, money is how everything gets done, so anything can be made about it; but it's often just a distraction or diversionary tactic.

Do you think we should change the flag?

[bogan]

I like the new design where the silver fern replaces the union jack

But wouldnt that 26 million dollars be better spend on dole bludging layabouts

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There is a really good one out there.

Could be both if they get off their arses and make the new flags.

[Brian d marge]

There is a really good one out there.

Could be both if they get off their arses and make the new flags.
Hahahahaa true

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[husaberg]

Cost of the referendum init? We're discussing it now, for free. My point is that a flag change is not about money, money is how everything gets done, so anything can be made about it; but it's often just a distraction or diversionary tactic.

Do you think we should change the flag?

That is the officially released estimates of the cost as for my personal opinion changing it is not as important as using the money for more worthwhile ventures.
I find the use of a referendum funny when we have a history of governments ignoring the outcomes of CIR's anyway.

[husaberg]

Careful there, it's starting to sound very much like a conspiracy theory

Nah these stuff are all easily proven facts other than the hocking off, time will tell on that one. Its a risk I am willing to take.

[bogan]

That is the officially released estimates of the cost as for my personal opinion changing it is not as important as using the money for more worthwhile ventures.
I find the use of a referendum funny when we have a history of governments ignoring the outcomes of CIR's anyway.

Who are you to say what is a more worthwhile way to spend 26mil though?

[husaberg]

Who are you to say what is a more worthwhile way to spend 26mil though?
husaberg
I would say pretty much all would put jobs and families ahead of changing flags, unless you owned a flag shop.
If it was a pressing issue it would have come up or had a CIR like the other stuff (that was ignored anyway.)

[bogan]

husaberg
I would say pretty much all would put jobs and families ahead of changing flags, unless you owned a flag shop.
If it was a pressing issue it would have come up or had a CIR like the other stuff (that was ignored anyway.)

Its only 26mil,not depriving all of us of any more than the price of a latte. Quit it with the financial drama queenery, mushy will get jealous...

It has come up a few times before, and isn't it about pressing enough to have a cir now?

[Scuba_Steve]

Its only 26mil,not depriving all of us of any more than the price of a latte. Quit it with the financial drama queenery, mushy will get jealous...

It has come up a few times before, and isn't it about pressing enough to have a cir now?

Well it's intent is to deprive all of us of NZ... look at the pretty flag, ignore what's going on over there just look at the pretty flag

[husaberg]

Its only 26mil,not depriving all of us of any more than the price of a latte. Quit it with the financial drama queenery, mushy will get jealous...

It has come up a few times before, and isn't it about pressing enough to have a cir now?

But it not a CIR its a government initiated referendum.
Move to a place that has 30000 people and have a good look what taking out 1000's of well paid jobs does.
We did the maths one day and it came to the eq of 30000 jobs out of Auckland pretty sure there would be a lot of bleating about that.
The west coast has only had the wages out of coal plus a few carrots to the local industry all the profits were funnelled elsewhere.
Littleton for instance got coal levies off our coal.

[Brian d marge]

bwaaaahahaha you've found somewhere where you're welcomed with open arms.... fkin brilliant... priceless.... that scouse humour.... cue more retarded bwahahhhahaaaaaaaa.

And with that I bid you adieu. Have a nice day!

He came, he saw, he ..........well you can see for yourself

[Brian d marge]

How can the economy grow by roughly one-third in real cockleshells while real household income drops like a rock?

One for the hard heads

Stephen

[bogan]

But it not a CIR its a government initiated referendum.
Move to a place that has 30000 people and have a good look what taking out 1000's of well paid jobs does.
We did the maths one day and it came to the eq of 30000 jobs out of Auckland pretty sure there would be a lot of bleating about that.
The west coast has only had the wages out of coal plus a few carrots to the local industry all the profits were funnelled elsewhere.
Littleton for instance got coal levies off our coal.

Not seeing fuck all difference if it is one the citizens want.

Maybe if the coal had better branding it would have sold for more... I don't really give a shit, the flag referendum is not about closing up the coal shop.

[mashman]

US says Assad is ‘root of all evil’ after first drone strikes launch from Turkey (http://www.rt.com/news/311699-turkey-usa-drones-isis/)... bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa, blaming a dog for the fleas you gave it, class.

[mashman]

Thats better than the kiwis . . .

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Nah, I reckon they love Kiwi's more: Oz-owned banks 'rorting Kiwis': Shearer (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/29203431/oz-owned-banks-rorting-kiwis-shearer/)

[husaberg]

Not seeing fuck all difference if it is one the citizens want.

Maybe if the coal had better branding it would have sold for more... I don't really give a shit, the flag referendum is not about closing up the coal shop.

Really? Not so long ago a whole bunch of citizens using there own money gained wide spread support for reducing the size of parliament, they got all the signatures required for a CIR.
There was a CIR and a overwhelming majority voted for a smaller parliament. this was what the citizens wanted.
Yet.
This was ignored. Yet it was what the citizens wanted. The flag change is being driven by a few. A mandate is attempting to be created. this is very different.

The solid energy was an example of a better use of money IMO.
Are you missing Arguing with Ed or something?

[oldrider]

US says Assad is ‘root of all evil’ after first drone strikes launch from Turkey (http://www.rt.com/news/311699-turkey-usa-drones-isis/)... bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa, blaming a dog for the fleas you gave it, class.

USA is the real world terrorist nation - root of all evil? - takes one to know one as the old folks used to say! :shifty:

[Brian d marge]

USA is the real world terrorist nation - root of all evil? - takes one to know one as the old folks used to say! :shifty:
Bloody ell that didnt take long . . Thought they usa had a small team that they had trained and inserted
So that they usa wil have an excuse to invade if one of the . .sic ,amerixan freedom fighter is killed or captured

Why isnt Israel being attacked by isis one wonders

Wasnt isis the egyptian goddess the mother of horus?

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[mashman]

USA is the real world terrorist nation - root of all evil? - takes one to train one as the old folks used to say! :shifty:

Made a slight modification ;)

[Ocean1]

Could be something to do with the foreigners we meet.

Aye, they all despise whinging fuckwits.

[Ocean1]

husaberg
I would say pretty much all would put jobs and families ahead of changing flags, unless you owned a flag shop.
If it was a pressing issue it would have come up or had a CIR like the other stuff (that was ignored anyway.)

I wonder how much NZ loses every year because our flag is shit and looks like Australia's, or any one of a dozen other "colonies". I've little doubt it's a fucking sight more than the cost of a few ad's.

The single largest contributor to job security has absolutely nothing to do with money, so why try to use it to fix the "problem".

And the best possible way to fix "family problems" is to dose the drinking water with contraceptives and charge $20k for a couple of weeks untreated water.

[husaberg]

I wonder how much NZ loses every year because our flag is shit and looks like Australia's, or any one of a dozen other "colonies". I've little doubt it's a fucking sight more than the cost of a few ad's.

The single largest contributor to job security has absolutely nothing to do with money, so why try to use it to fix the "problem".

And the best possible way to fix "family problems" is to dose the drinking water with contraceptives and charge $20k for a couple of weeks untreated water.

Congratulations Ocean with all due respect to Katman and Yokel that's the biggest load of horse shit I have ever seen posted on KB
NZ is losing money because of our Flag
I can just see a couple of tourists sitting in a travel agents Office in Asia
Arguing with each other over the destinations suggested, they are criticizing the agents offering of potential destinations with fuck the scenery and the price I don't want to go to NZ as there flag is too bland.

Negative Equity is the largest reason for a companies failure.
SE has been forced to pay higher dividends than it could afford it asked to for go them and was told no. Thus they had to borrow the money
They were forced to acquire a worthless mine they could not afford at an exorbitant price, again they could not afford this, but were told they were to do so.
They had to pay carbon Tax on there exports that did not pollute in this country for a carbon energy source sent to a country not even part of the Kyoto agreement.
All there decisions good and bad were approved or initiated by the current government.
Yet the same government is willing able and consistently goes out of it way to prop up and subsidise a company in Bluff that employs a similar number of employees, yet this company is owned by a multinational that has been making huge profits.

[mashman]

Aye, they all despise whinging fuckwits.

Ah, that's what it is. I thought it was because they were miserable fucks that didn't give a shit about anyone but themselves and couldn't stand facing that fact. Thanks for the top tip, I'll try to smile more... hell, I might even try laughing at some point.

[bogan]

Really? Not so long ago a whole bunch of citizens using there own money gained wide spread support for reducing the size of parliament, they got all the signatures required for a CIR.
There was a CIR and a overwhelming majority voted for a smaller parliament. this was what the citizens wanted.
Yet.
This was ignored. Yet it was what the citizens wanted. The flag change is being driven by a few. A mandate is attempting to be created. this is very different.

The solid energy was an example of a better use of money IMO.
Are you missing Arguing with Ed or something?

Also beside the point. As is solid energy, still.

Do you think we should change the flag?

[husaberg]

Also beside the point. As is solid energy, still.

Do you think we should change the flag?

Beside your point maybe. but clearly part of mine own point that the money that is being spent without a mandate could be better spent elsewhere.
As for the flag I don't care either way, but as i have said I see it as a waste of money.
I liken it to painting a rusty car without repairing the rust damage first.

[bogan]

Beside your point maybe. but clearly part of mine own point that the money that is being spent without a mandate could be better spent elsewhere.
As for the flag I don't care either way, but as i have said I see it as a waste of money.
I liken it to painting a rusty car without repairing the rust damage first.

Without a mandate, how do you mean? Surely the discussion around it justifies its discussion.

I liken it to market branding. We're not some fucking Addidas of australia so why should our flag look like it?

[husaberg]

Without a mandate, how do you mean? Surely the discussion around it justifies its discussion.

I liken it to market branding. We're not some fucking Addidas of australia so why should our flag look like it?

:2thumbsup We better get Sarchi and Sarchi onto it pronto.
Better still why not change the name of the country into something sexier as well maybe Mcdonalds then we could earn some revenue of the name in sponsorship (bugger they would charge us for using there trademark so maybe cost neutral so its still a winner. (Cost neutral is a winner, for further evidence look at asset sales)

As for the mandate I clearly showed you there were CIR that were a real mandate created from scratch voted on by the people that were still ignored. (Reducing the size of parliament)
Spending 25 million to find out if we should maybe change the flag is a pointless exercise. It could have been part of a general election referendum but it was not. nor was it part of the policies that national pushed prior to the election.

[bogan]

:2thumbsup We better get Sarchi and Sarchi onto it pronto.
Better still why not change the name of the country into something sexier as well maybe Mcdonalds then we could earn some revenue of the name in sponsorship (bugger they would charge us for using there trademark so maybe cost neutral so its still a winner. (Cost neutral is a winner, for further evidence look at asset sales)

As for the mandate I clearly showed you there were CIR that were a real mandate created from scratch voted on by the people that were still ignored. (Reducing the size of parliament)
Spending 25 million to find out if we should maybe change the flag is a pointless exercise. It could have been part of a general election referendum but it was not. nor was it part of the policies that national pushed prior to the election.

Nah, changing name and logo is dodgy as. We have a good country, a good brand, we just get confused with those shitters across the ditch too often.

Perhaps the question should be asked another way, why can't JK et al just decide which one we should have, would save 26mil that way...

A nonbinding CIR not being binding doesn't mean there is not mandate for anything else ever btw.

[mashman]

Nah, changing name and logo is dodgy as. We have a good country, a good brand, we just get confused with those shitters across the ditch too often.

Perhaps the question should be asked another way, why can't JK et al just decide which one we should have, would save 26mil that way...

A nonbinding CIR not being binding doesn't mean there is not mandate for anything else ever btw.

I think NZ should just get it the fuck over and done with and become an australian state. The flags are already similar and the buying power that would come with such a move, let alone the lack of "compliance" $ amongst other things, would greatly benefit Kiwi's.

[oldrider]

I think NZ should just get it the fuck over and done with and become an australian state. The flags are already similar and the buying power that would come with such a move, let alone the lack of "compliance" $ amongst other things, would greatly benefit Kiwi's.

That idea has some merit - except for one major flaw - Australians! :facepalm:

[mashman]

That idea has some merit - except for one major flaw - Australians! :facepalm:

bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa... Trust me John, I can't tell ya'll apart so I wouldn't worry about that :shifty:.

[Ocean1]

Congratulations Ocean with all due respect to Katman and Yokel that's the biggest load of horse shit I have ever seen posted on KB
NZ is losing money because of our Flag
I can just see a couple of tourists sitting in a travel agents Office in Asia
Arguing with each other over the destinations suggested, they are criticizing the agents offering of potential destinations with fuck the scenery and the price I don't want to go to NZ as there flag is too bland.

Negative Equity is the largest reason for a companies failure.
SE has been forced to pay higher dividends than it could afford it asked to for go them and was told no. Thus they had to borrow the money
They were forced to acquire a worthless mine they could not afford at an exorbitant price, again they could not afford this, but were told they were to do so.
They had to pay carbon Tax on there exports that did not pollute in this country for a carbon energy source sent to a country not even part of the Kyoto agreement.
All there decisions good and bad were approved or initiated by the current government.
Yet the same government is willing able and consistently goes out of it way to prop up and subsidise a company in Bluff that employs a similar number of employees, yet this company is owned by a multinational that has been making huge profits.

NZ's profile internationally is all but insignificant, if you believe having a flag that looks like a dozen others is as commercially advantageous as having a unique, memorable one then you go right ahead and believe it mate. Me, I'll continue to believe that a graphically dynamic and nationally unique flag would benefit NZ to the tune of a shitload more than $23 M/pa.

And calling negative equity the reason for any company's failure is a bit like calling rigor mortise the reason for a corpse's death. Nor did I go anywhere near SE, old news, boring when it wasn't.

[Ocean1]

Ah, that's what it is. I thought it was because they were miserable fucks that didn't give a shit about anyone but themselves and couldn't stand facing that fact. Thanks for the top tip, I'll try to smile more... hell, I might even try laughing at some point.

It's not helping. You're still a despicable whining fuckwit.

[mashman]

It's not helping. You're still a despicable whining fuckwit.

Get a haircut.

[Ocean1]

I think NZ should just get it the fuck over and done with and become an australian state. The flags are already similar and the buying power that would come with such a move, let alone the lack of "compliance" $ amongst other things, would greatly benefit Kiwi's.

Convicts vs Crofters. Blighty sent them there, we left of our own free will, a distinction not often recognised by the lefties but one of some significance to everyone else involved.

[mashman]

Convicts vs Crofters. Blighty sent them there, we left of our own free will, a distinction not often recognised by the lefties but one of some significance to everyone else involved.

Sounds like a bunch of old dinosaurs living in a past that wasn't even theirs :killingme, priceless... man you just get better and better. Chur.

[husaberg]

Nah, changing name and logo is dodgy as. We have a good country, a good brand, we just get confused with those shitters across the ditch too often.

Perhaps the question should be asked another way, why can't JK et al just decide which one we should have, would save 26mil that way...

A nonbinding CIR not being binding doesn't mean there is not mandate for anything else ever btw.

A CIR crystal clear mandate for what was voted on. Who actually decided it was non binding?
As for the 25 million dollar cost, maybe you are right it would have only allowed us to bribe 2 Saudi's.:laugh:

if it was a pressing need to change the flag and people really wanted it or desired it it would at least have it own thread yet it is trapped in Stupid World what does that tell you.

[husaberg]

NZ's profile internationally is all but insignificant, if you believe having a flag that looks like a dozen others is as commercially advantageous as having a unique, memorable one then you go right ahead and believe it mate. Me, I'll continue to believe that a graphically dynamic and nationally unique flag would benefit NZ to the tune of a shitload more than $23 M/pa.

And calling negative equity the reason for any company's failure is a bit like calling rigor mortise the reason for a corpse's death. Nor did I go anywhere near SE, old news, boring when it wasn't.

Explain to me how a countries flag is actually important at all.

If you have any proof that changing the flag would benefit NZ to the tune of 23 millions dollars per year I would be very interested in hearing how..........

[bogan]

A CIR crystal clear mandate for what was voted on. Who actually decided it was non binding?
As for the 25 million dollar cost, maybe you are right it would have only allowed us to bribe 2 Saudi's.:laugh:

if it was a pressing need to change the flag and people really wanted it or desired it it would at least have it own thread yet it is trapped in Stupid World what does that tell you.

Our constitution.

What that tells me, is this is trapped here to underscore the first word in the title :whistle:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/174462-Flag?highlight=flag
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/121489-New-flag-for-NZ?highlight=flag


If you have any proof that changing the flag would benefit NZ to the tune of 23 millions dollars per year I would be very interested in hearing how..........

Why per year? the next one will be good for another 50 years at least... so only 500k per year, just walking around money.

[husaberg]

Our constitution.

What that tells me, is this is trapped here to underscore the first word in the title :whistle:
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/174462-Flag?highlight=flag
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/121489-New-flag-for-NZ?highlight=flag



Why per year? the next one will be good for another 50 years at least... so only 500k per year, just walking around money.

Wow two threads 14 pages incredible
But this guys knee sliders and Mossy's possibly hot neighbour racked up 8 pages in a day or so.

Give me an honest answer is the need to go changing the flag as important to you as finding out how hot Mossys neighbours daughter actually is?


NZ's profile internationally is all but insignificant, if you believe having a flag that looks like a dozen others is as commercially advantageous as having a unique, memorable one then you go right ahead and believe it mate. Me, I'll continue to believe that a graphically dynamic and nationally unique flag would benefit NZ to the tune of a shitload more than $23 M/pa.
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The 23mill per year question was in answer to Oceans belief that it would. cylon

[Ocean1]

Explain to me how a countries flag is actually important at all.

If you have any proof that changing the flag would benefit NZ to the tune of 23 millions dollars per year I would be very interested in hearing how..........

It's the primary symbol of our country, it's as important as you believe that makes it.

And I will tell you. Right after you prove to me that NZ would benefit to the tune of more than $23M from spending it on work or family related subsidies.

[bogan]

Wow two threads 14 pages incredible
But this guys knee sliders and Mossy's possibly hot neighbour racked up 8 pages in a day or so.


The 23mill per year question was in answer to Oceans belief that it would. cylon

Just pointing out it does indeed have at least its own thread. Might have more if this were kiwiflagger... Regardless, various polls have put the outcome of such a referendum as far from certain. So a question will be answered, you might see the answer as pointless, but.

Fair enough then, carry on.

[Brian d marge]

bwaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa... Trust me John, I can't tell ya'll apart so I wouldn't worry about that :shifty:.
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[husaberg]

It's the primary symbol of our country, it's as important as you believe that makes it.

And I will tell you. Right after you prove to me that NZ would benefit to the tune of more than $23M from spending it on work or family related subsidies.

I never made the statement though. You are avoiding the question.
No one cares overseas what the flag is. Another nations flag is generally insignificant to foreigners unless it is being displayed after they have jackbooted their way over your borders.