Stupid World

[Brian d marge]

Don't see the need to understand that peculiarly 80's academic socialist's overly fraught faux-paranoia, in much the same way I don't need to understand any other delusional psychosis; it's just not that useful out here in the real world.
thats probably the truest thing you have ever written , shame you will never understand why ,,,,

[Voltaire]

And more importantly: Was he correct?

with his grasp of numbers probably, reality less so.

He did make his dosh out of banking/stock market, which also is about numbers and less about reality.

[Ocean1]

True, I did choose for you... I'da gone with some form of statistical calculation based on selected datasets. Ya know, the usual way these sorts of things are calculated in order to derive averages/medians that fit the narrative required to smoke and mirror confidence for the gullible that all is well. Neat trick, bit old though.

Oh don't trot out the delusional episodes on my behalf, or at least don't try convincing anyone they're anything real.

And blaming basic arithmetic for your psychotic fantasies when it wasn't actually in evidence isn't particularly tricky either, just more of the same old paranoid bullshit.

[Ocean1]

with his grasp of numbers probably, reality less so.

He did make his dosh out of banking/stock market, which also is about numbers and less about reality.

So he's an authority on the subject?

But you don't need to address his argument in order to disprove it?

Sounds more like Mushy.

[mashman]

Oh don't trot out the delusional episodes on my behalf, or at least don't try convincing anyone they're anything real.

And blaming basic arithmetic for your psychotic fantasies when it wasn't actually in evidence isn't particularly tricky either, just more of the same old paranoid bullshit.

It ain't up to me to convince anyone of anything. I leave that to those who wish to be fed, pun intended.

The numbers are the numbers. Your projection of delusion is dribbling down your chin a bit... unless you can come up with the formula and datasets used to calculate the numbers that Voltaire quoted from teh article? I'll add my own seasonal adjusted weighting :killingme.

[Voltaire]

So he's an authority on the subject?

But you don't need to address his argument in order to disprove it?

Sounds more like Mushy.

Second only to Doha...:woohoo:, something to aspire to...:wacko:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/80358491/new-zealand-house-price-rises-outpace-all-but-one-country

[Ocean1]

It ain't up to me to convince anyone of anything. I leave that to those who wish to be fed, pun intended.

The numbers are the numbers. Your projection of delusion is dribbling down your chin a bit... unless you can come up with the formula and datasets used to calculate the numbers that Voltaire quoted from teh article? I'll add my own seasonal adjusted weighting :killingme.

I'm not the one blithering on about "average/Mean", you come up with the fucking formula.

[Ocean1]

Second only to Doha...:woohoo:, something to aspire to...:wacko:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/80358491/new-zealand-house-price-rises-outpace-all-but-one-country

Which says NZ's prices grew 2nd fastest last year.


John Quay said average house price in NZ are better than when Labour were the Govt ( or something like that)

Probably pay to define what that "better" was, eh?

Then, (much as it would incense Mushy) we could stick some numbers on it.

[Brian d marge]

Which says NZ's prices grew 2nd fastest last year.



Probably pay to define what that "better" was, eh?

Then, (much as it would incense Mushy) we could stick some numbers on it.
Go on then.. stick some numbers on it ....

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

I'm not the one blithering on about "average/Mean", you come up with the fucking formula.

If Ida meant Mean, Ida said Mean. D it was.

[mashman]

Probably pay to define what that "better" was, eh?

Then, (much as it would incense Mushy) we could stick some numbers on it.

Fill yer boots... at least we get an answer to what constitutes better innit.

[Ocean1]

Go on then.. stick some numbers on it ....

sent for a divine source

On what?

I was asking Volty what "better" meant.

You've already demonstrated house prices are lower now than they were a generation ago. So that's better, innit?


Fill yer boots... at least we get an answer to what constitutes better innit.

Wasn't my better to fill.

[mashman]

Wasn't my better to fill.

Shirley the numbers define better better than saying better does :Punk:

[Voltaire]

On what?

I was asking Volty what "better" meant.

You've already demonstrated house prices are lower now than they were a generation ago. So that's better, innit?



Wasn't my better to fill.

Numbers...... I'll look to see some that back up my view....

nek minit.

http://cdn.morganfoundation.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/image.png

That's pretty much how I remember the last ten years.

Did I miss something?

[Brian d marge]

Numbers...... I'll look to see some that back up my view....

nek minit.

http://cdn.morganfoundation.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/image.png

That's pretty much how I remember the last ten years.

Did I miss something?
Yes

As did the people who weren't in the market.....

sent for a divine source

[sidecar bob]

Numbers...... I'll look to see some that back up my view....

nek minit.

http://cdn.morganfoundation.org.nz/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/image.png

That's pretty much how I remember the last ten years.

Did I miss something?

I see the poor bloody landlord getting a far smaller return on investment.
They're rich bastards anyway & deserve to lose.

[mashman]

I see the poor bloody landlord getting a far smaller return on investment.
They're rich bastards anyway & deserve to lose.

Here's hoping prices, on the graph, fall further so that landlords can get theirs. You should tell the corporates, coz prices, to give the landlord a break.

[Ocean1]

Numbers...... I'll look to see some that back up my view....

nek minit.

That's pretty much how I remember the last ten years.

Did I miss something?

:laugh: Cheers.

In 1976 the average new house in New Zealand had a floor area of 121m2
By 1986 it was 134m2, by 1996 175m2 and by 2006 209m2.
I think it's currently 230something.

Now, what does that graph look like corrected for build size?

[Ocean1]

I see the poor bloody landlord getting a far smaller return on investment.
They're rich bastards anyway & deserve to lose.

Aye, about time, rich pricks always get all the luck.

[sidecar bob]

:laugh: Cheers.

In 1976 the average new house in New Zealand had a floor area of 121m2
By 1986 it was 134m2, by 1996 175m2 and by 2006 209m2.
I think it's currently 230something.

Now, what does that graph look like corrected for build size?

Shit, looking at your stats, my house must have been built in about 2035.:bleh:

[Ocean1]

Shit, looking at your stats, my house must have been built in about 2035.:bleh:

Dude! Stuff it with all dem homeless poor!

Problem fixed!

[sidecar bob]

Dude! Stuff it with all dem homeless poor!

Problem fixed!

I'm waiting for katmans lead, he's all about the homeless, but seems to be a poor role model when push comes to shove.

[Akzle]

I'm waiting for katmans lead, he's all about the homeless, but seems to be a poor role model when push comes to shove.

not even. i'm homeless and I live in kat's house.

of course he doesn't Know it yet...

[Voltaire]

I see the poor bloody landlord getting a far smaller return on investment.
They're rich bastards anyway & deserve to lose.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/QH2ZbHpzZ4A/mqdefault.jpg

"its not an investment, Landlords are doing the Govts Work for them and should be praised for giving people a place to live"

[Voltaire]

not even. i'm homeless and I live in kat's house.

of course he doesn't Know it yet...


looks cosy.

http://mousebreath.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/luxury-cat-house-spanish-style.jpg

[Brian d marge]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160905/3996f5dfbd1b146362151a9920841218.jpg

I was thinking something different

sent for a divine source

[husaberg]

looks cosy.



Maybe its time for him to change is KB statue to rentboy

[mashman]

A young worker blasts John Key's slanders (http://www.unite.org.nz/a_young_worker_blasts_john_key_s_slanders)...

"So cheers John Key for the casual/coded racism and sexism. I’d call him a cunt but he does not have the warmth nor the depth."

[Akzle]

A young worker blasts John Key's slanders (http://www.unite.org.nz/a_young_worker_blasts_john_key_s_slanders)...

"So cheers John Key for the casual/coded racism and sexism. I’d call him a cunt but he does not have the warmth nor the depth."

i like how it keeps calling politicians "leaders"...i wouldn't follow the jew cunts if you paid me. (oh the punstrosity!)

can we do revolution yet?

[mashman]

can we do revolution yet?

No. I need about 18 months to become a politician as I want to play their game first :eek:. Ask me after 18 months. :bleh:

[Ocean1]

No. I need about 18 months to become a politician as I want to play their game first :eek:. Ask me after 18 months. :bleh:

It's generally accepted that politicians lie. In which case you're fucked before you start, not being remotely acquainted with teh truth an' all.

[mashman]

It's generally accepted that politicians lie. In which case you're fucked before you start, not being remotely acquainted with teh truth an' all.

I'd be surprised if anyone would notice the difference. You're just amazing.

But your 55% figure needs to be revised if Steven Joyce is to be believed (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/32550518/top-income-households-pay-more-tax/#page1) :laugh:

[mashman]

Housing bill passes after marathon debate (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/32554405/housing-debate-delays-parliaments-agenda/#page1)

"The bill also ensures that when publicly owned land is designated for housing, the government doesn't first have to offer it back to its original owners at market prices.". I hope the public don't realise that they're the "owners" of public land, else they might feel a tad ripped off.

[Akzle]

Housing bill passes after marathon debate (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/32554405/housing-debate-delays-parliaments-agenda/#page1)

"The bill also ensures that when publicly owned land is designated for housing, the government doesn't first have to offer it back to its original owners at market prices.". I hope the public don't realise that they're the "owners" of public land, else they might feel a tad ripped off.

just as well the ACT party is going strong or they may not have had that one in the porket...

[SPman]

It's generally accepted that politicians lie. And therein lies the problem - the population just roll over and accept it - which further encourages them and entrenches the fact.
Perhaps, if it was totally unacceptable for politicians to lie and they were held to account, by a strong and vigorous media, things might be different - but - that's not going to happen - particularly in the short term the politicians work in.

I say break out the guns and have open season on lying and corrupt politicians, media types, "law" enforcement leaders and bankers!.....among others ........

[TheDemonLord]

And therein lies the problem - the population just roll over and accept it - which further encourages them and entrenches the fact.
Perhaps, if it was totally unacceptable for politicians to lie and they were held to account, by a strong and vigorous media, things might be different - but - that's not going to happen - particularly in the short term the politicians work in.

I say break out the guns and have open season on lying and corrupt politicians, media types, "law" enforcement leaders and bankers!.....among others ........

Is there then, such thing as an acceptable Lie? or a Lie told for the Greater Good?

[Akzle]

Is there then, such thing as an acceptable Lie? or a Lie told for the Greater Good?

a) no
b) the greater good doesn't exist
c) all a abit fucking irrelevant, politicians lie for themselves, and their jew buddies, and for jew golds. none of this sanctimonious greater good shit

[Brian d marge]

i like how it keeps calling politicians "leaders"...i wouldn't follow the jew cunts if you paid me. (oh the punstrosity!)

can we do revolution yet?
John key:
I am a Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands,
organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions; fed with the same
food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same diseases,
heal'd by the same means, warm'd and cool'd by the same winter
and summer, as a Christian is?
If you prick us, do we not bleed? If
you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die?
And if you wrong us, do we not revenge? If we are like you in the
rest, we will resemble you in that.


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[Brian d marge]

PS , first we go to war , then we can do the revolution
But ONLY if the price of a loaf is over a day labour in fake currency

sent for a divine source

[bogan]

PS , first we go to war , then we can do the revolution
But ONLY if the price of a loaf is over a day labour in fake currency

sent for a divine source

The pen is mightier than the sword. Any revolution through violence is just more of the same...

[Brian d marge]

And therein lies the problem - the population just roll over and accept it - which further encourages them and entrenches the fact.
Perhaps, if it was totally unacceptable for politicians to lie and they were held to account, by a strong and vigorous media, things might be different - but - that's not going to happen - particularly in the short term the politicians work in.

I say break out the guns and have open season on lying and corrupt politicians, media types, "law" enforcement leaders and bankers!.....among others ........
Just sterilize the bloodlines .. and take the debt of money that's all that needs to happen

sent for a divine source

[Ocean1]

I'd be surprised if anyone would notice the difference. You're just amazing.

But your 55% figure needs to be revised if Steven Joyce is to be believed (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/top-stories/a/32550518/top-income-households-pay-more-tax/#page1) :laugh:

Well certainly most here see the difference between a politician stretching the truth for political advantage and your rabid fantasies, the first at least begins with at least a tenuous grasp of the facts.

And yes, I saw that. Doesn't include many subsidies though, so I've little doubt the 55% claim was valid. Either figure is a sad indictment of Kiwi work ethics, that over half of the population are net beneficiaries. Even more stunning is that some of the less literate of 'em claim that rich pricks are getting richer at their cost. :rolleyes:

[Ocean1]

And therein lies the problem - the population just roll over and accept it - which further encourages them and entrenches the fact.
Perhaps, if it was totally unacceptable for politicians to lie and they were held to account, by a strong and vigorous media, things might be different - but - that's not going to happen - particularly in the short term the politicians work in.

I say break out the guns and have open season on lying and corrupt politicians, media types, "law" enforcement leaders and bankers!.....among others ........

How many people do you know that unreservedly accept statements from politicians? And "the media" have their own politics, which revolve mostly around interpreting political statements as outrageous propaganda. So wrong on those two anyway.

The real problem is that we actually require our politicians to lie. Hire 'em for just that purpose, based on how well they lie at their three yearly job interview. You can expect that to change when people grow up enough to realise that the no government is ever voted the resources to deliver what the voters think they should provide.

[Ocean1]

Is there then, such thing as an acceptable Lie? or a Lie told for the Greater Good?

Only to children.

[oldrider]

And therein lies the problem - the population just roll over and accept it - which further encourages them and entrenches the fact.
Perhaps, if it was totally unacceptable for politicians to lie and they were held to account, by a strong and vigorous media, things might be different - but - that's not going to happen - particularly in the short term the politicians work in.

I say break out the guns and have open season on lying and corrupt politicians, media types, "law" enforcement leaders and bankers!.....among others ........

We don't really need a revolution, war or violence of any kind - simply take from them the authority to create money for themselves and their own purpose!

No guns needed simply an act written with a pen a book entry as is done now! :niceone:

[mashman]

Well certainly most here see the difference between a politician stretching the truth for political advantage and your rabid fantasies, the first at least begins with at least a tenuous grasp of the facts.

And yes, I saw that. Doesn't include many subsidies though, so I've little doubt the 55% claim was valid. Either figure is a sad indictment of Kiwi work ethics, that over half of the population are net beneficiaries. Even more stunning is that some of the less literate of 'em claim that rich pricks are getting richer at their cost. :rolleyes:

Most on KB see the difference bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ba ba ba ba ba ba ba ba baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... just you keep rebleating that and someday it may actually be true.

Oh I'm sure the 55% figure was valid. :killingme@work ethic of Kiwi's. Is that you John.

[Katman]

I say break out the guns and have open season on lying and corrupt politicians, media types, "law" enforcement leaders and bankers!.....among others ........

Now there's a party I'd go to.

[oldrider]

When in doubt, just remember what astute commentator George Carlin had to say: :whistle:

The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don’t. You have no choice. You have owners. They own you. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls. They got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls. They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying. Lobbying to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I’ll tell you what they don’t want. They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well-informed, well-educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests.

They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork…. It’s a big club and you ain’t in it. You and I are not in the big club. …The table is tilted, folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice…. Nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on…. It’s called the American Dream, ’cause you have to be asleep to believe it.

Stupid world? - :no: - stupid people? - :yes:

[Brian d marge]

Only to children.
You worry me

sent for a divine source

[Brian d marge]

We don't really need a revolution, war or violence of any kind - simply take from them the authority to create money for themselves and their own purpose!

No guns needed simply an act written with a pen a book entry as is done now! :niceone:
No. You also have to sterilize the bloodlines so they cannot reproduce
Look at ur history
Lineage is very important to these scum. They don't marry these heffers for nowt
Money debt free and linked to surplus and every single one of the psychopaths sterilized
There are only 10 Carolinian families ..... But li .. China... Ya might want to hire a few subbies

sent for a divine source

[Voltaire]

Is there then, such thing as an acceptable Lie? or a Lie told for the Greater Good?

Just the one about the single chap who created the universe in a week and when we die we all get to go to his place... best example currently is the ME.

[Woodman]

Maybe everyone who has ever told a lie should be shot.

[eldog]

Maybe everyone who has ever told a lie should be shot.

even a tiny winy little one?

KB would be an empty place.....:shutup:

[Akzle]

even a tiny winy little one?

KB would be an empty place.....:shutup:

what?? you mean everything on teh internets ISNT REAL

http://rs1303.pbsrc.com/albums/ag158/aakashalex/OMG_zpsfd54e805.gif?w=480&h=480

[Akzle]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/c9/c9630f46eb32e0ca8c98bb3c604c70de796cac6ab9575191e3 2d55bfe181a905.jpg

[Brian d marge]

The lads from norf London styling ....
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/horrifying-moment-london-biker-flies-across-the-tarmac-after-wheelie-stunt-goes-wrong-a3339911.html

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

Wells Fargo caught creating ‘ghost’ accounts to steal millions from customers (http://usuncut.com/class-war/wells-fargo-busted-scamming-customers/)

[Akzle]

Wells Fargo caught creating ‘ghost’ accounts to steal millions from customers (http://usuncut.com/class-war/wells-fargo-busted-scamming-customers/)

dude, your obviously a beneficiary. and you spend more than you earn, and, err. all that stuff. cos everyone who's rich earneded it. cos money is bestest.

xoxo - ocean

[oldrider]

The truth on the dirty war in Syria? - By Australian Dr Tim Anderson for those who are interested.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/video-the-dirty-war-on-syria-prof-tim-anderson-on-grtv/5528264


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[mashman]

Mortgage lending hits record levels as national house prices soar (http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/82479766/mortgage-lending-hits-record-levels-as-national-house-prices-soar)

[sidecar bob]

Mortgage lending hits record levels as national house prices soar (http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/82479766/mortgage-lending-hits-record-levels-as-national-house-prices-soar)

Interesting, but hardly stupid.
Property values in this country have been rising since the time you could buy enough land to build a town for a few blankets & muskets.

[mashman]

Interesting, but hardly stupid.
Property values in this country have been rising since the time you could buy enough land to build a town for a few blankets & muskets.

It's like a totes stoopid approach, but hey, each to his own.

[Brian d marge]

Interesting, but hardly stupid.
Property values in this country have been rising since the time you could buy enough land to build a town for a few blankets & muskets.
which is fine if wage keep up ( house about 30% OF income ) , if not then people tend to use said muskets and blankets

Sttopid short sightedness but understandable if the house is the main form of wealth generation

[Akzle]

Property values

:killingme now. this term "value" you speak of...

[Voltaire]

:killingme now. this term "value" you speak of...


http://i.imgur.com/8VBOu5o.png
http://o.aolcdn.com/dims-shared/dims3/GLOB/crop/3610x2370+622+481/resize/1028x675!/format/jpg/quality/85/http%3A%2F%2Fhss-prod.hss.aol.com%2Fhss%2Fstorage%2Fmidas%2F1e5ee16 8e95edb5a7ee4e1f620023612%2F201577467%2F175012912. jpg

[sidecar bob]

:killingme now. this term "value" you speak of...

Value, (Wikipedia) What stupid people will pay so they can say that they own a house in Auckland, even though its their bank that own it & them as well.

[Woodman]

House prices increasing isn't necessarily a bad thing.

[sidecar bob]

House prices increasing isn't necessarily a bad thing.

It is if you live in a stupid world.

[mashman]

House prices increasing isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Australia 6 weeks from a housing collapse, US report warns (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11708064)... but when it is, then what?

[sidecar bob]

Australia 6 weeks from a housing collapse, US report warns (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11708064)... but when it is, then what?

Yes, but a housing collapse doesn't mean the houses collapse, so everyone will still be safe & the houses will still be standing.

[Brian d marge]

Australia 6 weeks from a housing collapse, US report warns (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11708064)... but when it is, then what?
That's just the boys warning Australia ..fall back in line or we will end the party

If Australia promoted upregulated markets with no restrictions

Image the "Imf rockerfella,neoconservtive......insert your favorite criminal group " headlines

Stunning growth in Australia markets ....or to translate....look how rich u can get and how with that paper money u can buy all the crap we can sell ya

Don't worry about happiness, u can buy that shyt

sent for a divine source

[Woodman]

Australia 6 weeks from a housing collapse, US report warns (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11708064)... but when it is, then what?

Buy the ones that come up in mortgagee sales cheap or from those desperate to sell, rent them out, then wait for the inevitable increase in house prices. Simple really.

[sidecar bob]

Buy the ones that come up in mortgagee sales cheap or from those desperate to sell, rent them out, then wait for the inevitable increase in house prices. Simple really.

Gee, there's an idea I wish I'd had in the last recession. :innocent:

[Brian d marge]

Yes, but a housing collapse doesn't mean the houses collapse, so everyone will still be safe & the houses will still be standing.
As in Chicago or Detroit... I hear the houses are cheap there

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[Ocean1]

Gee, there's an idea I wish I'd had in the last recession. :innocent:

But... then you'd have no reason to bitch about how much houses cost. :no:


Oh wait, *looks around* this is Stupid World, no reason required, carry on. :third:

[mashman]

Yes, but a housing collapse doesn't mean the houses collapse, so everyone will still be safe & the houses will still be standing.

Likely better if they did, then at least the "owners" could claim on the insurance and keep the property that they've worked so hard for.

[mashman]

The manipulation of burglary statics (https://thestandard.org.nz/the-manipulation-of-burglary-statics/)

[Voltaire]

What happened to the soon to happen 2014 Stock Market crash?:yawn:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/165331-So-when-will-the-sharemarket-crash-in-2014

[Brian d marge]

What happened to the soon to happen 2014 Stock Market crash?:yawn:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/165331-So-when-will-the-sharemarket-crash-in-2014
They printed a shit load of money and reduced interest rates, kicked the can a few more meters down the road


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[Voltaire]

They printed a shit load of money and reduced interest rates, kicked the can a few more meters down the road


sent for a divine source

There was an article somewhere I read on MSM ( so it can't be true) that "we" are getting into the same area as the Japanese with stagflation going on for years and years and years...
Think it said that part of the problem is Japans aging population and lack of immigration.
Found it.
http://www.businessinsider.com.au/japan-demographics-chart-2016-9?r=US&IR=T

and its got a graph.

A relative of my Wifes is selling his beach house for 1. summit million and off to buy a Merc or BMW.
Banks will be pleased, more money being lent, more fancy cars being sold..
Must be nice to be able to loose 30K just by driving out the showroom floor.:laugh:
Give me 10 year old Jap cars any day.
https://ae01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1cbWwKXXXXXc7XXXXq6xXFXXXs/Octopus-Hook-Squid-Fishing-Hook-Size-3-0-3-3-1-7cm-Saltwater-Fishhook-Pesca-For.jpg_50x50.jpg

[sidecar bob]

What happened to the soon to happen 2014 Stock Market crash?:yawn:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/165331-So-when-will-the-sharemarket-crash-in-2014

Apparently there was a graph to prove it posted up somewhere. ;)

[Voltaire]

Apparently there was a graph to prove it posted up somewhere. ;)

Here is a graph of how things work... Think we're getting closer to the Hell's Pizza and Wicked Campers bit.
http://www.bible.ca/pre-prophecy-graph-got.gif

[Brian d marge]

Apparently there was a graph to prove it posted up somewhere. ;)
Fred ...m2

Off top of head

World debt rose to 50 or 60 trillion whilst global GDP rose to 15 trillion

And I would like someone to explain to me how they are/can raise interest rates or is it a race to the negative interest bottom

When asked how he went broke mark Twain ( I think) replied

At first very slowly,.....

sent for a divine source

[sidecar bob]

Fred ...m2


World debt rose to 50 or 60 trillion whilst global GDP rose to 15 trillion


Yes Fred, It was Fred, I remember now.

World debt? who did we owe it too? another planet?

[Ocean1]

Yes Fred, It was Fred, I remember now.

World debt? who did we owe it too? another planet?

Well it's not like money's real, dude. It's just pulled out of a fairy banker's arsehole and given to his mates, makes no odds whether it's here or on Mars.

[Katman]

Well it's not like money's real, dude. It's just pulled out of a fairy banker's arsehole and given to his mates, makes no odds whether it's hear or on Mars.

There's many a true word said in jest.

[Ocean1]

What happened to the soon to happen 2014 Stock Market crash?:yawn:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/165331-So-when-will-the-sharemarket-crash-in-2014


They printed a shit load of money and reduced interest rates, kicked the can a few more meters down the road

This crowd printing all this money, is that the same lot that's the only western economy noted for abstaining from indulging in QE?

If so where are they hiding it all?

[Ocean1]

There's many a true word said in jest.

Yeah?

List them for me, I could do with a laugh.

[Ocean1]

Yeah?

List them for me, I could do with a laugh.

Don't bother, this is all the laugh I need for now:

Labour and the Greens ahead based on their own polling:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/84200572/little-says-latest-colmar-brunton-poll-at-odds-with-other-polls-including-their-own

[SPman]

Australia 6 weeks from a housing collapse, US report warns (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11708064)... but when it is, then what? At the rate the fucking Termites keep attacking the piles, 6 weeks is probably about right for my place........:brick:

[mashman]

At the rate the fucking Termites keep attacking the piles, 6 weeks is probably about right for my place........:brick:

Bugga... can you see a doctor for that?


I could do with a laugh.

Request granted

Mayoral candidate Gordon Marshall wants resource-based economy in Porirua (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/porirua/83974043/mayoral-candidate-gordon-marshall-wants-resourcebased-economy-in-porirua)

[Brian d marge]

This crowd printing all this money, is that the same lot that's the only western economy noted for abstaining from indulging in QE?

If so where are they hiding it all?
Are you really that stupid or did u just fire off the post without thinking
How much did Japan print the other week
And what they buying ?
Why hasn't the stock markets crashed

You MIGHT even read about it in stuff...

sent for a divine source

[Ocean1]

Are you really that stupid or did u just fire off the post without thinking
How much did Japan print the other week
And what they buying ?
Why hasn't the stock markets crashed

You MIGHT even read about it in stuff...

sent for a divine source

I'm not the one trying to blame all of the economies employing QE measures AND those who aren't for a catastrophic market collapse that somehow refuses to actually happen.

Maybe next year, eh? :rolleyes:

[Brian d marge]

I'm not the one trying to blame all of the economies employing QE measures AND those who aren't for a catastrophic market collapse that somehow refuses to actually happen.

Maybe next year, eh? :rolleyes:
No you not

That's actually a fact right there

I like a wee flutter on the geegees now and then

All , as far as I know , fiat currencies have failed ,, ie the ink on the worthless bit of paper has changed

U up for a few yuan on the petrodollar?

Assuming they don't start shooting first





sent for a divine source

[Ocean1]

What happened to the soon to happen 2014 Stock Market crash?:yawn:

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/165331-So-when-will-the-sharemarket-crash-in-2014

And, now that I think about it why on earth are you bothering to ask for share market advice in Stupid World?

I mean, the place is wall to wall loony tunes conspiracy theorists desperate to blame EVERYTHING on rich pricks who somehow get more richer in spite of every possible objection they can muster, rational or otherwise. Actually, they're all otherwise.

You'd be a fucking sight better off asking the rich pricks. They'll only tell you shit you don't want to hear, but you'd still be a fucking sight better off.

[Voltaire]

Mayoral candidate Gordon Marshall wants resource-based economy in Porirua (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/porirua/83974043/mayoral-candidate-gordon-marshall-wants-resourcebased-economy-in-porirua)


IT analyst and programmer by trade,

Nice to see Tradies having a go :msn-wink:

Where is Porriua, is it near Hamilton?

[Brian d marge]

And, now that I think about it why on earth are you bothering to ask for share market advice in Stupid World?

I mean, the place is wall to wall loony tunes conspiracy theorists desperate to blame EVERYTHING on rich pricks who somehow get more richer in spite of every possible objection they can muster, rational or otherwise. Actually, they're all otherwise.

You'd be a fucking sight better off asking the rich pricks. They'll only tell you shit you don't want to hear, but you'd still be a fucking sight better off.
Oh you're classic

I'm not asking for share market advice
I got me bases covered

And those bases don't have a whole lot to do with the stock market or indeed currency

I'm just sitting back watching sheep
..beats counting them

Eyes wide shut me thinks they are

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

Nice to see Tradies having a go :msn-wink:

Where is Porriua, is it near Hamilton?

I see what ya did there... :niceone:

Lewis?

[Ocean1]

I'm not asking for share market advice

And I'm not asking you why you were.

Not, I hasten to add that your usual drivel doesn't indicate that you could do with every skerrick of advice you could possibly lay your hands on.

[sidecar bob]

Oh you're classic

I'm not asking for share market advice
I got me bases covered

And those bases don't have a whole lot to do with the stock market or indeed currency


Cool, do you care to share? I make a habit of copying the methods of successful people, so I'm all ears. Or is it a big secret?

[Akzle]

Mayoral candidate Gordon Marshall wants resource-based economy in Porirua (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/porirua/83974043/mayoral-candidate-gordon-marshall-wants-resourcebased-economy-in-porirua)



no. fucken. way.

your name's not mashy??

[Brian d marge]

Cool, do you care to share? I make a habit of copying the methods of successful people, so I'm all ears. Or is it a big secret?
Gardening , lots and lots of mulch

Don't use too much hops or brown sugar when brewing

Don't have debt or exposure to it

Invest in solar , the one I have was cheap as

And finally have 3 get out of jail plans .
.

Oh and make sure your relationships are sound ......

That bundle of sound advice will be charged at the usual rate of
2 cents


sent for a divine source

[Brian d marge]

And I'm not asking you why you were.

Not, I hasten to add that your usual drivel doesn't indicate that you could do with every skerrick of advice you could possibly lay your hands on.
Yes you are right , but I would prefer the advice that I can " bank" on
Of which I doubt you have


sent for a divine source

[mashman]

no. fucken. way.

your name's not mashy??

It is, kinda... but that's just one name that's been given to me ;)

[sidecar bob]

Mayoral candidate Gordon Marshall wants resource-based economy in Porirua (http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/porirua/83974043/mayoral-candidate-gordon-marshall-wants-resourcebased-economy-in-porirua)

:corn::corn:

[Voltaire]

Gardening , lots and lots of mulch

Don't use too much hops or brown sugar when brewing

Don't have debt or exposure to it

Invest in solar , the one I have was cheap as

And finally have 3 get out of jail plans .
.

Oh and make sure your relationships are sound ......

That bundle of sound advice will be charged at the usual rate of
2 cents


sent for a divine source

Lots of hops and no sugar.

[Brian d marge]

Lots of hops and no sugar.
I agree on the sugar

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

City Rail Link funding breakthrough (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11709043&ref=NZH_Tw)

"Where: From Britomart to Mt Eden
Length: 3.4km
Cost: Final cost unknown but anywhere between $2b and $3b
Funding: 50:50 Government and Auckland Council
Timeframe: Work started in June 2016. Due for completion in 2023"

Whew... tax payers only paying for half... unless you're in Auckland and happen to be a tax payer and a rate payer as you're on the hook for all of it.

[husaberg]

City Rail Link funding breakthrough (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11709043&ref=NZH_Tw)

"Where: From Britomart to Mt Eden
Length: 3.4km
Cost: Final cost unknown but anywhere between $2b and $3b
Funding: 50:50 Government and Auckland Council
Timeframe: Work started in June 2016. Due for completion in 2023"

Whew... tax payers only paying for half... unless you're in Auckland and happen to be a tax payer and a rate payer as you're on the hook for all of it.

Unlikely, at most it would be 75% user funded, , as most people that are tax payers are also paying for it, ie the other 3 million people of NZ, they (unlike Auckland rate payers) are unlikely to benefit from it either, as they don't live anywhere near Auckland.
I would have thought you would favour 100% USER pays.

[Brian d marge]

City Rail Link funding breakthrough (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11709043&ref=NZH_Tw)

"Where: From Britomart to Mt Eden
Length: 3.4km
Cost: Final cost unknown but anywhere between $2b and $3b
Funding: 50:50 Government and Auckland Council
Timeframe: Work started in June 2016. Due for completion in 2023"

Whew... tax payers only paying for half... unless you're in Auckland and happen to be a tax payer and a rate payer as you're on the hook for all of it.
And the agenda tip toes on ....

sent for a divine source

[Ocean1]

And the agenda tip toes on ....

sent for a divine source

Oh for fuck's sake, what fucking "agenda" are you one about now?

Or is it just a placeholder for the usual general blamefest to cover your own personal shortcomings?

Again.

[Brian d marge]

Oh for fuck's sake, what fucking "agenda" are you one about now?

Or is it just a placeholder for the usual general blamefest to cover your own personal shortcomings?

Again.
U would know if it tickled ur fart box and call u Dorothea

And even if someone DID explain it to u you would STILL be non the wiser

All 21 times


sent for a divine source

[Woodman]

City Rail Link funding breakthrough (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11709043&ref=NZH_Tw)

"Where: From Britomart to Mt Eden
Length: 3.4km
Cost: Final cost unknown but anywhere between $2b and $3b
Funding: 50:50 Government and Auckland Council
Timeframe: Work started in June 2016. Due for completion in 2023"

Whew... tax payers only paying for half... unless you're in Auckland and happen to be a tax payer and a rate payer as you're on the hook for all of it.

Why is this stupid?

[Akzle]

Why is this stupid?

oooooh, I dunno. 90kilodolars per meter to lay tracks between two places that nobody gives a fuck about..

[Ocean1]

U would know if it tickled ur fart box and call u Dorothea

And even if someone DID explain it to u you would STILL be non the wiser

All 21 times


sent for a divine source

Why don't you explain your theory in plain english for once?

[Ocean1]

Why is this stupid?

Because for once tax dollars are being spent on those that pay tax. Partly.


Can't have that shit going on in Stupid World.

[TheDemonLord]

Why is this stupid?

It's stupid because there is no plans for a Rail link to the North shore or a rail link to the airport...

[Akzle]

It's stupid because there is no plans for a Rail link to the North shore or a rail link to the airport...

or to whangarei's deep water port, marsden or wiri inland port.

but hey trucks *are* cool!!

[TheDemonLord]

or to whangarei's deep water port, marsden or wiri inland port.

but hey trucks *are* cool!!

That too...

[mashman]

Why is this stupid?

Coz there are other things that could do with the money instead of catering for a minority that wanna get to the CBD from a single point of a really quite large city. But hey, why think broadly when you can just Ocean a solution.

[Ocean1]

Coz there are other things that could do with the money instead of catering for a minority that wanna get to the CBD from a single point of a really quite large city. But hey, why think broadly when you can just Ocean a solution.

:laugh: Aye, 'cause you'd know a lot more about it than anyone who's job it is to actually research such shit.

[mashman]

:laugh: Aye, 'cause you'd know a lot more about it than anyone who's job it is to actually research such shit.

:killingme@job. Hitting nail squarely on the head for a change... even if it was by accident.

[Brian d marge]

Why don't you explain your theory in plain english for once?
Did
Those who know . Know

Others, your good self , will be fighting for king and country



sent for a divine source

[Woodman]

Coz there are other things that could do with the money instead of catering for a minority that wanna get to the CBD from a single point of a really quite large city. But hey, why think broadly when you can just Ocean a solution.

A good portion of that money will pay workers. Suppliers will get margins etc etc so thats all good.

[mashman]

A good portion of that money will pay workers. Suppliers will get margins etc etc so thats all good.

And a good portion of that would pay workers and suppliers irrespective of what was built. A radical idea would be to build something in many areas in order to spread the wealth across the entire city, but that's just a bit too radical innit.

[mashman]

Anonymous Vigilante Faces 16 Years in Prison for Exposing Steubenville Rapists Who Walk Free (http://www.anonews.co/anonymous-vigilante/)

[sidecar bob]

It's stupid because there is no plans for a Rail link to the North shore or a rail link to the airport...

Not yet, but its sure to follow sometime as finances allow.

[TheDemonLord]

Not yet, but its sure to follow sometime as finances allow.

I take umbrage with your notion of 'yet' - There's been plans for a proper Rail network since the 1920's..... And they've always been sidelined as 'Too Expensive'....

[Ocean1]

Did
Those who know . Know

Others, your good self , will be fighting for king and country



sent for a divine source

Show me.

Only, it looks like just more of your delusional bullshit.

[Ocean1]

I take umbrage with your notion of 'yet' - There's been plans for a proper Rail network since the 1920's..... And they've always been sidelined as 'Too Expensive'....

Infrastructure. Who the fuck needs it.

We've got far too many poor children in NZ to be bothering with that shit.

[Ocean1]

:killingme@job.

Aye, you've got a habit of that, doncha?

Trouble is you've also got a problem with being paid accordingly.

[Brian d marge]

Show me.

Only, it looks like just more of your delusional bullshit.
Impossible until u open ur eyes

And based on ur track record....

I'm phoning the TAB , to place a few dollars on snowflake in the 3:13 in Satan's domain

sent for a divine source

[TheDemonLord]

Impossible until u open ur eyes

And based on ur track record....

I'm phoning the TAB , to place a few dollars on snowflake in the 3:13 in Satan's domain

sent for a divine source

To be fair, a bet on a snowflake in hell would be....

1:666

[Brian d marge]

To be fair, a bet on a snowflake in hell would be....

1:666
Hahahahahaaaaaaa very clever ... I like that

sent for a divine source

[Ocean1]

Impossible until u open ur eyes

And based on ur track record....

I'm phoning the TAB , to place a few dollars on snowflake in the 3:13 in Satan's domain

sent for a divine source

So you've got fuck all. As usual.

How hard can it be? If you've got a valid reason to whine about shit then if you don't clearly define the problem and produce a coherent argument against it you can expect to be called out on it. Even here.

I mean here you don't even have to offer an alternative, in Stupid World it's understood that the result of any effort whatsoever is automatically met with summary dismissal and illiterate howls of derision, and you're not expected to submit to that. Heaven forbid. :rolleyes:

[Woodman]

And a good portion of that would pay workers and suppliers irrespective of what was built. A radical idea would be to build something in many areas in order to spread the wealth across the entire city, but that's just a bit too radical innit.

Yes, but you don't want it spread too thinly. I am all for large scale shit like they do overseas. NZ doesn't do monuments very well.

[mashman]

Aye, you've got a habit of that, doncha?

Trouble is you've also got a problem with being paid accordingly.

I see what you tried to do there.

Yup, but not in the way you think.


Yes, but you don't want it spread too thinly. I am all for large scale shit like they do overseas. NZ doesn't do monuments very well.

Given that the "poor" spend all of their income, even if you spread it thinly and on the poor only, it'll get back into the community and the economic wheels will turn etc... NZ likely can't afford monuments given the size of its population, hence we end up with walkways and cyclepaths as monuments to those who shout the loudest as they realise that seeing something shiny is more important than something that helps communities in general. Meh, wotcha gonna do when all the eggs are thrown into one basket instead of a few baskets.

[Brian d marge]

So you've got fuck all. As usual.

How hard can it be? If you've got a valid reason to whine about shit then if you don't clearly define the problem and produce a coherent argument against it you can expect to be called out on it. Even here.

I mean here you don't even have to offer an alternative, in Stupid World it's understood that the result of any effort whatsoever is automatically met with summary dismissal and illiterate howls of derision, and you're not expected to submit to that. Heaven forbid. :rolleyes:
No
You are just feeling left out
Don't worry about it

The feeling passes



sent for a divine source

[Brian d marge]

Yes, but you don't want it spread too thinly. I am all for large scale shit like they do overseas. NZ doesn't do monuments very well.
Might take a while until NZ does monumental

The Japanese have managed to wipe out half of the world's oceans ( I heard the other day something like , there should be 2000 forms life in the average rock pool in Canada / Alaska .. there is 14 ....on average .. Fukushima fked that up )

The most monumental fk up I've seen in NZ ... Was the tea ... Half fking milk in the damn thing



sent for a divine source

[Ocean1]

Yup, but not in the way you think.

I like it when the guy buying stuff and the guy selling it decide what the stuff's worth.

You like some undisclosed other party deciding who pays who for what, and how much.

So unless you've changed your mind about that then my take on your problem is pretty much right on the money.

[Ocean1]

No
You are just feeling left out
Don't worry about it

The feeling passes



sent for a divine source

What doesn't pass is you shooting your mouth off, getting pulled up about it and utterly failing to back your shit up.

You never learn.

[Brian d marge]

What doesn't pass is you shooting your mouth off, getting pulled up about it and utterly failing to back your shit up.

You never learn.
Not pulled up at all

How can you pull someone up on something when you totally failed to grasp what was being said

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160915/0f2f62bb1cfbfb3c6b12a9e9ebd7d7b9.jpg

So ya ...Failed.org.com

You might be missing the agenda right up til 2030 at least , the rate you're going ..

But at least the sustainability of your posts is constant.

Oh joy

sent for a divine source

[Akzle]

“the rich are way more
likely to prioritize their own self-interests above the
interests of other people. It makes them more likely to
exhibit characteristics that we would stereotypically
associate with, say, assholes.”

http://nymag.com/news/features/money-brain-2012-7/

[Ocean1]

http://nymag.com/news/features/money-brain-2012-7/

"A team of psychologists has rigged it so that skill, brains, savvy, and luck—those ingredients that ineffably combine to create success in games as in life—have been made immaterial."

Safe to draw conclusions from that about how real life works then. :laugh:

[Ocean1]

Not pulled up at all

How can you pull someone up on something when you totally failed to grasp what was being said


Maybe because what was said wasn't actually comprehensible.

And, y'know, with the amount of effort you spend defending your bullshit you could easily have simply answered the fucking question.

[Brian d marge]

Maybe because what was said wasn't actually comprehensible.

And, y'know, with the amount of effort you spend defending your bullshit you could easily have simply answered the fucking question.
I have 3 times ... But it's more fun this way



sent for a divine source

[mashman]

I like it when the guy buying stuff and the guy selling it decide what the stuff's worth.

You like some undisclosed other party deciding who pays who for what, and how much.

So unless you've changed your mind about that then my take on your problem is pretty much right on the money.

I know.

No I don't.

I haven't changed anything... but at least I'm flexible enough to understand your perspective. Wish I could say the same about you, but alas, you simply don't have it in you.

[Voltaire]

I take umbrage with your notion of 'yet' - There's been plans for a proper Rail network since the 1920's..... And they've always been sidelined as 'Too Expensive'....

" Gonna build another bridge and get the Shoreies to pay for it"

I worked over the Shore for a few months, what a pita. You could not offer me enough money to sit it that Bridge traffic each day.

They won't put a rail link in, jeez I live in 10 minutes walk to the train line and that sat idle for 30 years.

Auckland traffic is only going to get worse, the tunnel they have built will be good for a bit then chocca.

Gotta run, catching the 7:35 train into town .

[mashman]

" Gonna build another bridge and get the Shoreies to pay for it"

I worked over the Shore for a few months, what a pita. You could not offer me enough money to sit it that Bridge traffic each day.

They won't put a rail link in, jeez I live in 10 minutes walk to the train line and that sat idle for 30 years.

Auckland traffic is only going to get worse, the tunnel they have built will be good for a bit then chocca.

Gotta run, catching the 7:35 train into town .

waaaaaa waaaaaa waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaa... just dig your own tunnel and stop whining :bleh:

[Ocean1]

No I don't.

I haven't changed anything... but at least I'm flexible enough to understand your perspective. Wish I could say the same about you, but alas, you simply don't have it in you.

Either you've changed your tune and are now a fan of a free market or you still want to dictate who can buy and sell what and at what price.

Or are you flexible enough to believe you can have your cake and someone else's too?

[mashman]

Either you've changed your tune and are now a fan of a free market or you still want to dictate who can buy and sell what and at what price.

Or are you flexible enough to believe you can have your cake and someone else's too?

I haven't changed anything... but at least I'm flexible enough to understand your perspective. Wish I could say the same about you, but alas, you simply don't have it in you.

[Voltaire]

waaaaaa waaaaaa waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaa... just dig your own tunnel and stop whining :bleh:

Don't bother me, they should take the bridge away and stop the shorites taking our jurbs,clogging up the roads and letting saffa's out of the Veld Homeland of Bruuns bai.

1 hour and 5 minutes from home to cube farm in the city for $5 ( no bags of chips were harmed ), includes 2 KM walk. Take that cage/bike commuters :ar15:

[sidecar bob]

Don't bother me, they should take the bridge away and stop the shorites taking our jurbs,clogging up the roads and letting saffa's out of the Veld Homeland of Bruuns bai.

1 hour and 5 minutes from home to cube farm in the city for $5 ( no bags of chips were harmed ), includes 2 KM walk. Take that cage/bike commuters :ar15:

It must totally suck to live in Auckland.
My commute, 9 minutes from inside the garage door at home to car park at work. a short burst of 100kmh in the middle bit & no walking.
Home takes a little longer, but just long enough to calmly consume one Heineken without rushing.

[mashman]

Don't bother me, they should take the bridge away and stop the shorites taking our jurbs,clogging up the roads and letting saffa's out of the Veld Homeland of Bruuns bai.

1 hour and 5 minutes from home to cube farm in the city for $5 ( no bags of chips were harmed ), includes 2 KM walk. Take that cage/bike commuters :ar15:

bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa... just build a wall at the end one night.

[avgas]

bwaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa... just build a wall at the end one night.
Wire rope barrier kind?

You could setup a Mad Butcher wholesale store near it.

[Banditbandit]

It must totally suck to live in Auckland.
My commute, 9 minutes from inside the garage door at home to car park at work. a short burst of 100kmh in the middle bit & no walking.
Home takes a little longer, but just long enough to calmly consume one Heineken without rushing.

I commute 20 minutes each way - mostly in the 100k area .. Totally Awesome - twice a day on the bike on the open road ..

[mashman]

Wire rope barrier kind?

You could setup a Mad Butcher wholesale store near it.

I guess it all comes down to cost... could be cheaper and would look more scary.

Might take a while to erect... praps hot dog and pretzel vans for a quick getaway.

[mashman]

It must totally suck to live in Auckland.
My commute, 9 minutes from inside the garage door at home to car park at work. a short burst of 100kmh in the middle bit & no walking.
Home takes a little longer, but just long enough to calmly consume one Heineken without rushing.

Takes me seconds to walk up stairs. I hope ya don't serve Heine's to yer mates. Heineken = Pish Watter.

[Ocean1]

I haven't changed anything... but at least I'm flexible enough to understand your perspective. Wish I could say the same about you, but alas, you simply don't have it in you.


Either you've changed your tune and are now a fan of a free market or you still want to dictate who can buy and sell what and at what price.

Or are you flexible enough to believe you can have your cake and someone else's too?

Feel free to remind us all how you decide who gets what in your comnunist paradise.

[Woodman]

It must totally suck to live in Auckland.
My commute, 9 minutes from inside the garage door at home to car park at work. a short burst of 100kmh in the middle bit & no walking.
Home takes a little longer, but just long enough to calmly consume one Heineken without rushing.

9 minutes. Thats my total commute time both ways combined. Quite interesting sitting here drinking a glass of pinot while aucklanders are still in their cars sitting in traffic. fcuk that.:shit:

[Brian d marge]

9 minutes. Thats my total commute time both ways combined. Quite interesting sitting here drinking a glass of pinot while aucklanders are still in their cars sitting in traffic. fcuk that.:shit:

it only takes me 15 min , and Im in tokyo ....

Bit of Donald Fagen , ocean to relax to


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Stephen

[mashman]

Feel free to remind us all how you decide who gets what in your comnunist paradise.

Kinda pointless given that you simply don't have it in you to grasp the economics.

[Voltaire]

It must totally suck to live in Auckland.
My commute, 9 minutes from inside the garage door at home to car park at work. a short burst of 100kmh in the middle bit & no walking.
Home takes a little longer, but just long enough to calmly consume one Heineken without rushing.



100 k's..... I'm sure I drove home from the city using only 1st and 2nd gear today....feckin' roads all clogged up with Audi's and BMW's...fugging Germans.

If I got home after that and the only thing in the fridge was a Heineken I'd drive back in 1st and 2nd gear to get hoppy American IPA.

I did read today online whilst being whisked to work in nice new electric train that Tauranga is going to end up like Auckland with sucky traffic.....thats progress I suppose....

[sidecar bob]

I did read today online whilst being whisked to work in nice new electric train that Tauranga is going to end up like Auckland with sucky traffic.....thats progress I suppose....

Well it's quite fortunate that I've already planned for that by purchasing property in other pleasant cities, so when you pricks overrun the place I can move on & leave you to it:bleh:

[Ocean1]

Kinda pointless given that you simply don't have it in you to grasp the economics.

Said the man that doesn't believe in money.

And your inability to answer simple questions is nothing to do with you not having a fucking clue then?

[mashman]

Said the man that doesn't believe in money.

And your inability to answer simple questions is nothing to do with you not having a fucking clue then?

True, but I understand the economics that you understand too, as well as the no money economics. You can't.

I just did, again.

[Brian d marge]

Here is some money . Quite a headache to reproduce
http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160917/4ca64e792cd607bf7596aeb8c9c2fa06.jpg

sent for a divine source

[Ocean1]

Kinda pointless given that you simply don't have it in you to grasp the economics.

Aye, so you keep pretending.

You'd have to have a clue yourself, of course, to make any such claim anything more than mildly amusing.

:laugh:

[Brian d marge]

Aye, so you keep pretending.

You'd have to have a clue yourself, of course, to make any such claim anything more than mildly amusing.

[emoji23]
Considering there has been a whole conversation going on above your head ...

sent for a divine source

[Ocean1]

Considering there has been a whole conversation going on above your head ...

sent for a divine source

Ah yes, the last defense of the conspiracy fuckwit: "You don't understand my bullshit".

I've asked both of you repeatedly to explain your vague inferences numerous times, you avoid being drawn into any meaningful discussion at all costs. And nobody could ever accuse either of you of anything approaching coherence in doing so.

[Brian d marge]

Says the person who is still looking for money out if the bankers arse...

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

Aye, so you keep pretending.

You'd have to have a clue yourself, of course, to make any such claim anything more than mildly amusing.

:laugh:

Well I have tried to explain it to you a few times over the years, in many different ways using many different examples yet all underpinned by the same economics as happens today. Yet here we are. I am glad it amuses you though.

[mashman]

Ah yes, the last defense of the conspiracy fuckwit: "You don't understand my bullshit".

I've asked both of you repeatedly to explain your vague inferences numerous times, you avoid being drawn into any meaningful discussion at all costs. And nobody could ever accuse either of you of anything approaching coherence in doing so.

:killingme@blaming others for your lack of understanding. I find your cognitive dissonance highly ironing.

[Ocean1]

:killingme@blaming others for your lack of understanding. I find your cognitive dissonance highly ironing.

Oh look, another post desperately avoiding any backing up of previous bullshit.

How droll.



Not.

[mashman]

Oh look, another post desperately avoiding any backing up of previous bullshit.

How droll.



Not.

Continuous adhoms and blaming other people for your lack of understanding... tsk tsk.

[Ocean1]

Continuous adhoms and blaming other people for your lack of understanding... tsk tsk.

You're right.

If you consider "bullshit" an adhom.

Which isn't far short of the mark.

[mashman]

You're right.

If you consider "bullshit" an adhom.

Which isn't far short of the mark.

bwaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

The free lunch is coming.

It finishes for questions at 21:32... but in order to cut to the chase, he explains your mob at 18:50.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMAkhDZqx9k

[Brian d marge]

Continuous adhoms and blaming other people for your lack of understanding... tsk tsk.
Werent they the intelligent ones in jonathans swifts book
We are replying to the same person arent we?
Must consult the yahoo they would know


sent for a divine source

[Voltaire]

I'm going to go out on a limb here....

After doing a bit of MSM reading I suspect the Govt and 'The Banks" are not telling the truth about the housing bubble.

Seeing as Westpac, ASB and ANZ are Australian banks you really need to look over there to see whats happening.

The Big Four as they are called have since the decline in commodities got into mortgages and now are needing to keep lending to keep prices up so as to keep lending.

Overseas articles say its more extreme than the US Sub Prime of 2008. AU banks are finding overseas cash drying up so not passing Reserve Bank cuts on and hoping

people might start saving again. Apartment building is in full swing with the main centers of AU skylines having over 500 cranes.

Australia has not had a real recession in 25 years so thinks it wont happen.

Interesting view here is that on one hand house prices can go up 12 % year after year yet people think in the event of a bubble burst they wont go down by at least the

same rate, hope springs eternal.

You might have seen in the news last week a 2 bedroom 40's weatherboard house house selling in Onehunga for 1 mill....... jumping jehoshaphat

If a bank collapses here I don't think your savings are guaranteed any more, and no your mortgage is not cancelled as its an " asset" that will be sold as part of the banks

assets.....thats after the Govt throws in your tax payer money to bail them out......where is the risk for the banks? no wonder they act like they do.

Oh and I think Mortgage Protection is for them too, not you.


Thats enough pondering for a Sunday, off to the shed to play :woohoo:

[mashman]

2 of my favourite lines.

"Yeah, whatever tits."

"Everything is worth what people are ready to pay."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7H-_8UkmFU

[Voltaire]

2 of my favourite lines.



"Everything is worth what people are ready to pay."



Tulips anyone?:banana:

https://www.damninteresting.com/the-dutch-tulip-bubble-of-1637/

[sidecar bob]

"Everything is worth what people are ready to pay."


The former CEO of NZ Rail, who I am in frequent conversation with, once advised me to "charge as much as the market can reliably stand" So far that advice has worked reasonably well for me.

[mashman]

Werent they the intelligent ones in jonathans swifts book
We are replying to the same person arent we?
Must consult the yahoo they would know


sent for a divine source

Oooooo, sorry, I try not to read books given the evidence that it shapes too much of ones thinking to the point where it's laughable to consider what spews forth thinking. I'm old fashioned that way ;)


Tulips anyone?:banana:

https://www.damninteresting.com/the-dutch-tulip-bubble-of-1637/

Ah yes, Einstein's definition of insanity. I blame the reading of too many books... today :D

[Woodman]

The former CEO of NZ Rail, who I am in frequent conversation with, once advised me to "charge as much as the market can reliably stand" So far that advice has worked reasonably well for me.

Thats pretty standard business practice. After all, you are there to make money, nothing else.

[mashman]

The former CEO of NZ Rail, who I am in frequent conversation with, once advised me to "charge as much as the market can reliably stand" So far that advice has worked reasonably well for me.

I guess he didn't explain the economic ramifications of taking such a position. Fair enough though, I had to work that shit out for myself and it really isn't pretty and goes against the conventional wisdom of the successful. Not judging ya...... economics is ;)

[bogan]

I'm judging ya...... and economics is ;)

FTFY, and thank fuck the judgments are polar opposites :eek:


Oooooo, sorry, I try not to read books given the evidence that it shapes too much of ones thinking to the point where it's laughable to consider what spews forth thinking. I'm old fashioned that way ;)

It's called getting an education, and funnily enough enough, knowing things does actually shapes one's thinking, whimsical self-delusion, not so much :laugh:

[sidecar bob]

Thats pretty standard business practice. After all, you are there to make money, nothing else.

Yes, at the time he perceived that I was not doing that, & although I am often in the position of charging him for services, he was still very forthcoming with advice, which has no doubt cost him in the long run.
I often find that older folk with few apparent financial restrictions have the better advice than people with little more than a chip on their shoulder & an axe to grind.

[Ocean1]

Well I have tried to explain it to you a few times over the years, in many different ways using many different examples yet all underpinned by the same economics as happens today. Yet here we are. I am glad it amuses you though.

And when I've pointed out where the same systems have failed to work in the past you've fallen back on obfuscation, vague inferences to even vaguer references and the insistence that I don't understand. Like now.

Doesn't make you any more correct now than you were then. Why don't you simply accept the opinion of the majority of observers that what you propose is completely impractical, ethically questionable, that you don't actually know what you're talking about and that you should quietly fuck off?

[Katman]

Thats pretty standard business practice. After all, you are there to make money, nothing else.

Some of us have higher morals.

[Ocean1]

I'm going to go out on a limb here....

After doing a bit of MSM reading I suspect the Govt and 'The Banks" are not telling the truth about the housing bubble.

Seeing as Westpac, ASB and ANZ are Australian banks you really need to look over there to see whats happening.

The Big Four as they are called have since the decline in commodities got into mortgages and now are needing to keep lending to keep prices up so as to keep lending.

Overseas articles say its more extreme than the US Sub Prime of 2008. AU banks are finding overseas cash drying up so not passing Reserve Bank cuts on and hoping

people might start saving again. Apartment building is in full swing with the main centers of AU skylines having over 500 cranes.

Australia has not had a real recession in 25 years so thinks it wont happen.

Interesting view here is that on one hand house prices can go up 12 % year after year yet people think in the event of a bubble burst they wont go down by at least the

same rate, hope springs eternal.

You might have seen in the news last week a 2 bedroom 40's weatherboard house house selling in Onehunga for 1 mill....... jumping jehoshaphat

If a bank collapses here I don't think your savings are guaranteed any more, and no your mortgage is not cancelled as its an " asset" that will be sold as part of the banks

assets.....thats after the Govt throws in your tax payer money to bail them out......where is the risk for the banks? no wonder they act like they do.

Oh and I think Mortgage Protection is for them too, not you.


Thats enough pondering for a Sunday, off to the shed to play :woohoo:

Not convinced it's not simply an artificially constricted market. Only, ask yourself what difference there would be if all of the houses that should have been built 20 years ago for prices reflecting the cost to supply were now on the market.

As for banks, maybe teh govt orta fuck with the actual reserve. 17% ain't it? What would happen if they made it 20%?

[Ocean1]

Yes, at the time he perceived that I was not doing that, & although I am often in the position of charging him for services, he was still very forthcoming with advice, which has no doubt cost him in the long run.
I often find that older folk with few apparent financial restrictions have the better advice than people with little more than a chip on their shoulder & an axe to grind.

He wasn't of that opinion when I was contracting design services to them a decade ago. :laugh:

He's right, but the other half of a stable market needs to be there too: competition. If there's restrictions on who can supply shit, or the prices is regulated then "as much as the market can reliably stand" rapidly becomes somewhat farcical.

Unless you're name is mushbrain. Then it's all good.

[mashman]

FTFY, and thank fuck the judgments are polar opposites :eek:

It's called getting an education, and funnily enough enough, knowing things does actually shapes one's thinking, whimsical self-delusion, not so much :laugh:

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

When you apply it like a child, it's called learning stuff without understanding. I'd say get back in your playpen, but I see you never left.


And when I've pointed out where the same systems have failed to work in the past you've fallen back on obfuscation, vague inferences to even vaguer references and the insistence that I don't understand. Like now.

Doesn't make you any more correct now than you were then. Why don't you simply accept the opinion of the majority of observers that what you propose is completely impractical, ethically questionable, that you don't actually know what you're talking about and that you should quietly fuck off?

I thought I heard Pavlov waking up.

That's because you, ironically, ignore the advantages of what we have on the grounds that you deserve. They never failed. They were usurped. Seriously, watch the Varoufakis video. Where in the contract do I get to tell you all to fuck off without then having you deny me land, food, healthcare etc... and all on some misguided notion that I deserve nothing? I, NOW, object to the way we're currently living for very valid reasons. You choose not to see the reasoning. I cannot help that, as I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you. Meh, not sure why you got a more than 1 line response there tbh.

The Parable of the Pub. Learn it, and you'll learn the answer to your question.

[Woodman]

Some of us have higher morals.

Are you saying there is something morally wrong with making a profit?

[mashman]

Yes, at the time he perceived that I was not doing that, & although I am often in the position of charging him for services, he was still very forthcoming with advice, which has no doubt cost him in the long run.
I often find that older folk with few apparent financial restrictions have the better advice than people with little more than a chip on their shoulder & an axe to grind.

I'll take that as leveled at me. You are doing exactly what this economic model expects you to do. Why should I judge you for that. It is perfectly sound advice, an advice that allows capitalism to function. In very much the same way that Ocean states his economic point of view, no point in judging him, because it works in the system that we have. A system that is slowly decaying. By all means ignore the decaying, but don;t for a minute expect that some of us are gonna roll over and play dead because you like capitalism. It ain't a chip on my shoulder that drives me, I have no axe to grind (We PM'd about such), it's logical, reasonable and common sense, yet it's a real mindfuck when you actually come to grasp just how easy it is to change. The hard part is watching you guys accept what is as the best we can do. You're wrong.

[Katman]

Are you saying there is something morally wrong with making a profit?

Have another read of your post that I quoted in my reply and see if you can work out the answer for yourself.

[bogan]

If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

When you apply it like a child, it's called learning stuff without understanding. I'd say get back in your playpen, but I see you never left.

And sidecar bob isn't broke, hence economics judging him favorably and not in need of fixing :innocent:

Yet you're one of the most notorious people on the site for not understanding shit, is that why you shy from books, you don't know how to apply their contents like an adult? Adult's would discuss a subject and further their understanding that way, children get told what to learn and how to learn it; we can all see which category you fall into.

[Akzle]

ahhh. bring on the day when all you old white niggers are dead.

[Voltaire]

ahhh. bring on the day when all you old white niggers are dead.

Start learning Mandarin :innocent:

[Voltaire]

The former CEO of NZ Rail, who I am in frequent conversation with, once advised me to "charge as much as the market can reliably stand" So far that advice has worked reasonably well for me.

There is also a perception that if you don't charge enough your not very good, much like when you sell things too cheap.

I would not have thought NZ Rail was a good example.

Being a CEO of a Govt department is not the same as a listed company really.

[mashman]

And sidecar bob isn't broke, hence economics judging him favorably and not in need of fixing :innocent:

Yet you're one of the most notorious people on the site for not understanding shit, is that why you shy from books, you don't know how to apply their contents like an adult? Adult's would discuss a subject and further their understanding that way, children get told what to learn and how to learn it; we can all see which category you fall into.

:facepalm: I realise that he isn't.

I tried to discuss it with you several years ago. Yet you still blame me for your lack of understandings when I claim that you have misunderstood what I've said. Your ASSumptions are yours champ and they always have been.

[bogan]

:facepalm: I realise that he isn't.

I tried to discuss it with you several years ago. Yet you still blame me for your lack of understandings when I claim that you have misunderstood what I've said. Your ASSumptions are yours champ and they always have been.

Or is it that you blaming somebody's lack of understanding is just a cop out for your own inability to understand a thing? When two people come to a different understanding about a thing, what do you think the best way to rectify that and reach a greater, shared understanding is? clam up and make sweeping assumptions about each other's inability to understand the subject? or discuss the subject as rational adults, answering each others questions and the like? This thread is filled with examples of you and other stupid worlders doing the former; perhaps at least try the latter, you might learn something. Then again, that's probably why you won't try it, stupid worlders do prioritise their self delusions over a selfless understanding.

Lose the subjectivity and gain some objectivity mashy.

[mashman]

Or is it that you blaming somebody's lack of understanding is just a cop out for your own inability to understand a thing? When two people come to a different understanding about a thing, what do you think the best way to rectify that and reach a greater, shared understanding is? clam up and make sweeping assumptions about each other's inability to understand the subject? or discuss the subject as rational adults, answering each others questions and the like? This thread is filled with examples of you and other stupid worlders doing the former; perhaps at least try the latter, you might learn something. Then again, that's probably why you won't try it, stupid worlders do prioritise their self delusions over a selfless understanding.

Lose the subjectivity and gain some objectivity mashy.

Sigh. I have explained it to a number of people. They understand it. Some in minutes. Some over hours. Some over years. Stupid World stands as it is, but not solely for the reasons you think. Tis a personal thing for why one posts. At a fundamental level, I believe most of the posts to be informative in some way or other... but that's because I choose to see them that way. You choose to believe that I see them negatively. Your projection is noted and summarily laughed at before dismissal takes place.

bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... NOW that is a new level of irony.

[bogan]

Sigh. I have... They... you think... Tis a personal thing... I believe ... because I choose... You choose... I see them...Your projection...

That's not a good attempt at losing subjectivity there mashy :killingme

[mashman]

One in three Saudi air raids on Yemen hit civilian sites, data shows (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/16/third-of-saudi-airstrikes-on-yemen-have-hit-civilian-sites-data-shows).. what bullshit through yonder window breaks.

[mashman]

That's not a good attempt at losing subjectivity there mashy :killingme

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... I'm not claiming to be objective. Thanks for the projection.

[bogan]

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaa... I'm not claiming to be objective. Thanks for the projection.

Perhaps you should make more of an effort to be, losing the focus on oneself is objectively essential in gaining a balanced perspective.

[mashman]

Perhaps you should make more of an effort to be, losing the focus on oneself is objectively essential in gaining a balanced perspective.

bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[bogan]

bwaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I find myself wondering, when you type such cop outs, do they in any way reflect the reality of your reaction?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-JELSQrOUkRA/TcOUDexGuVI/AAAAAAAAACQ/2eXvazg5M0I/s1600/meaning.jpg

[mashman]

I find myself wondering, when you type such cop outs, do they in any way reflect the reality of your reaction?

Oh, I thought you were trying to be funny by removing the context and focusing solely on the words used... in the context of objectivity that is. But as you were wondering, it was more of a brain lmfaorofllolrofllmao accompanied with a few chuckles. There was no flailing of limbs as your picture shows. Except there was a big grin involved. Close, but no BMW :)

[bogan]

Oh, I thought you were trying to be funny by removing the context and focusing solely on the words used... in the context of objectivity that is. But as you were wondering, it was more of a brain lmfaorofllolrofllmao accompanied with a few chuckles. There was no flailing of limbs as your picture shows. Except there was a big grin involved. Close, but no BMW :)

The words used betrayed the contextual subjectivity. Objectivity cannot be demonstrated while using such subjective narration, now can it?

Oh, and it is heartening to hear you have no BMW, the peasantry are not worthy of them.

[Ocean1]

Where in the contract do I get to tell you all to fuck off without then having you deny me land, food, healthcare etc... and all on some misguided notion that I deserve nothing?

Where does it say you get to depend on someone else paying for your land, food, healthcare etc?

Only, really, you deserve what you create, and fuck all else.

[mashman]

The words used betrayed the contextual subjectivity. Objectivity cannot be demonstrated while using such subjective narration, now can it?

Oh, and it is heartening to hear you have no BMW, the peasantry are not worthy of them.

If you say so.

[mashman]

Where does it say you get to depend on someone else paying for your land, food, healthcare etc?

Only, really, you deserve what you create, and fuck all else.

rofl@paying.

[Ocean1]

rofl@paying.

Precisely.

[Voltaire]

Hows the campaign trail going?

Lots of election stuff on up here but how do people vote?

Theres a name that sounds familiar.

Theres a name I can pronounce

Phil Goff.....didn't he ride a Triumph, can't be all bad.

I can't decide between Citizens and Ratepayers or Indifference and Apathy

[mashman]

Hows the campaign trail going?

Lots of election stuff on up here but how do people vote?

Theres a name that sounds familiar.

Theres a name I can pronounce

Phil Goff.....didn't he ride a Triumph, can't be all bad.

I can't decide between Citizens and Ratepayers or Indifference and Apathy

Tick the "No suitable representation" box... oh, wait.

[TheDemonLord]

sorry, I try not to read books

Well, that explains a few things...

[oldrider]

It really is a stupid world that believes US (tactical?) bullshit: http://www.globalresearch.ca/russia-has-no-partners-in-the-west-in-syria-us-and-isis-join-hands-against-russia/5546335 :rolleyes:

[mashman]

It really is a stupid world that believes US (tactical?) bullshit: http://www.globalresearch.ca/russia-has-no-partners-in-the-west-in-syria-us-and-isis-join-hands-against-russia/5546335 :rolleyes:

I'm more impressed with Russia's tactics.

[mashman]

Sinkhole causes 980 million litres of radioactive water to leak into Florida aquifer (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/17/sinkhole-causes-980-million-litres-of-radioactive-water-to-leak/?ref=yfp)

[Akzle]

Sinkhole causes 980 million litres of radioactive water to leak into Florida aquifer (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/09/17/sinkhole-causes-980-million-litres-of-radioactive-water-to-leak/?ref=yfp)

betcha wish you had shares in nestle about now. bottled water be worth a mint....

[mashman]

betcha wish you had shares in nestle about now. bottled water be worth a mint....

Dammit... I peaked too early :eek: Be great to buy water from them that was bottled from the aquifer 20 miles down the road.

[Brian d marge]

Dammit... I peaked too early :eek: Be great to buy water from them that was bottled from the aquifer 20 miles down the road.
Turn the tap on ... Then charge yourself 3 dollars for 500 ml

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

Turn the tap on ... Then charge yourself 3 dollars for 500 ml

sent for a divine source

Nice... top money saving tip there.

Bayer buys Monsanto: the Empire strikes back (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2016/09/16/breaking-bayer-buys-monsanto-the-empire-strikes-back/)... "Consolidation, monopoly". Ocean will be livid.

[Ocean1]

Nice... top money saving tip there.

Bayer buys Monsanto: the Empire strikes back (https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2016/09/16/breaking-bayer-buys-monsanto-the-empire-strikes-back/)... "Consolidation, monopoly". Ocean will be livid.

:laugh: We've met, remember? http://americanloons.blogspot.co.nz/2014/05/1050-jon-rappoport.html

[Ocean1]

What to wear, what to wear.....

http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/16/bullying-teen-girls-is-it-okay-if-they-w

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/84430083/pasifika-advocates-call-out-disney-for-appropriating-moana-costume


I catch any of you lot in a fucking kilt an' there'll be hell to pay.

[mashman]

Scientists confirmation bias laid bare for all to see. (Video gamers outdo scientists in contest to discover protein's shape)... well, those who aren't protectionist confirmation bias filled arseholes that is... eh bogan.

[Brian d marge]

What to wear, what to wear.....

http://reason.com/blog/2016/09/16/bullying-teen-girls-is-it-okay-if-they-w

http://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/film/84430083/pasifika-advocates-call-out-disney-for-appropriating-moana-costume


I catch any of you lot in a fucking kilt an' there'll be hell to pay.
oh Hollywood , u are so predictable

its almost formulaic ..... just need the speak write .....

[Ocean1]

.... just need the speak write .....

Said the illiterate village idiot.

[TheDemonLord]

Scientists confirmation bias laid bare for all to see. (Video gamers outdo scientists in contest to discover protein's shape)... well, those who aren't protectionist confirmation bias filled arseholes that is... eh bogan.

Meanwhile, Idiots can't even copy and paste a link into their posts properly....

[ URL="Video gamers outdo scientists in contest to discover protein's shape"]Scientists confirmation bias laid bare for all to see.[/URL ]

Somehow, I don't think I'll be taking my science advice from you....

For those interested - here is the ACTUAL link: http://phys.org/news/2016-09-video-gamers-outdo-scientists-contest.html

The only reason I post it is to show Mashmans interpretation of the Article is approaching the EdBear Limit for scientific misunderstanding.

[Brian d marge]

Said the illiterate village idiot.
That put u in a rather unfortunate position then ..

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

UN fears third leg of the global financial crisis - with prospect of epic debt defaults (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/09/21/un-fears-third-leg-of-the-global-financial-crisis-with-epic-debt/)...

"Its prescription is radical. The world must jettison neo-liberal ideology, and launch a "global new deal" with a blitz of investment on strategic sectors. It wants a return of the "developmental state", commanding a potent industrial policy, and backed by severe controls on capital flows.".

Awesomeness... at least they have a plan :killingme

[Ocean1]

UN fears third leg of the global financial crisis - with prospect of epic debt defaults (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2016/09/21/un-fears-third-leg-of-the-global-financial-crisis-with-epic-debt/)...

"Its prescription is radical. The world must jettison neo-liberal ideology, and launch a "global new deal" with a blitz of investment on strategic sectors. It wants a return of the "developmental state", commanding a potent industrial policy, and backed by severe controls on capital flows.".

Awesomeness... at least they have a plan :killingme

Meh. UN radical communism pamphlet.

From which the critical defining character emerges as: "UNCTAD's manifesto of Left-wing proposals clashes with almost every nostrum taught in universities and business schools for the last two generations."

No wonder Blighty ditched the parasites.

[mashman]

Meh. UN radical communism pamphlet.

From which the critical defining character emerges as: "UNCTAD's manifesto of Left-wing proposals clashes with almost every nostrum taught in universities and business schools for the last two generations."

No wonder Blighty ditched the parasites.

I don't care where the solutions come from.

[Ocean1]

I don't care where the solutions come from.

Solutions for what?

Rampant improvements in standards of living?

Ongoing real wage growth?

The huge decrease in child mortality?

Plummeting cost of fuel, clothing, etc?

50% reduction in the numbers living in actual poverty?

Proliferation of cheap gadgets Star Trek told us wouldn't be here for centuries?

Increased leisure time?

Whiny arsed cunts that haven't got a fucking clue how easy they have it?

[Brian d marge]

Solutions for what?

Rampant improvements in standards of living?

Ongoing real wage growth?

The huge decrease in child mortality?

Plummeting cost of fuel, clothing, etc?

50% reduction in the numbers living in actual poverty?

Proliferation of cheap gadgets Star Trek told us wouldn't be here for centuries?

Increased leisure time?

Whiny arsed cunts that haven't got a fucking clue how easy they have it?
I'm discounting the bridge in Auckland have for sale , have a few Chinese party's interested but I want to keep it in NZ

So I thought of you

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[mashman]

Solutions for what?

Rampant improvements in standards of living?

Ongoing real wage growth?

The huge decrease in child mortality?

Plummeting cost of fuel, clothing, etc?

50% reduction in the numbers living in actual poverty?

Proliferation of cheap gadgets Star Trek told us wouldn't be here for centuries?

Increased leisure time?

Whiny arsed cunts that haven't got a fucking clue how easy they have it?

Yeah, the price of all of that... seasonably adjusted of course. You seem to think that those so called improvements haven't come at any cost... that and we coulda done it all so much earlier and so much better. You're easily appeased, and whilst I have a weird respect for that, I also have a healthy disdain for it too.

[bogan]

that and we coulda done it all so much earlier and so much better.

So just how are the non-capitalist countries going? What about communes and other 'money free' or at least 'money light' groups?

[mashman]

So just how are the non-capitalist countries going? What about communes and other 'money free' or at least 'money light' groups?

There are no non-capitalist country's. Although Auroraville seems to still be rockin.

[Brian d marge]

There are no non-capitalist country's. Although Auroraville seems to still be rockin.
Jimmy Jimmy where for art thou Jimmy
https://youtu.be/8nxo0fS2VMM

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[Ocean1]

Yeah, the price of all of that... seasonably adjusted of course. You seem to think that those so called improvements haven't come at any cost... that and we coulda done it all so much earlier and so much better. You're easily appeased, and whilst I have a weird respect for that, I also have a healthy disdain for it too.

I called them improvements 'cause that's what they are. Only an insufferable doomsayer would say otherwise. Oh, except the clueless whiney arsed cunts, they're no use to man nor beast. And the funny thing is, the easier life gets the more they whine.

Well yeah, we could have had all that as soon as specialisation and capitalism were adopted by advanced societies.

And disdain is about all you've got. It ain't healthy. It don't differentiate. And you can fucking keep it.

[mashman]

Jimmy Jimmy where for art thou Jimmy
https://youtu.be/8nxo0fS2VMM

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http://i.imgur.com/BcnAjyi.png

[Brian d marge]

Same marriage ceremony as mine

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[mashman]

I called them improvements 'cause that's what they are. Only an insufferable doomsayer would say otherwise. Oh, except the clueless whiney arsed cunts, they're no use to man nor beast. And the funny thing is, the easier life gets the more they whine.

Well yeah, we could have had all that as soon as specialisation and capitalism were adopted by advanced societies.

And disdain is about all you've got. It ain't healthy. It don't differentiate. And you can fucking keep it.

I don't where they're completely unsustainable in their current format. We can do better and you're damned straight that I'll whine about things not being as good as they could be. Most rational people would.

:killingme@advanced.

:rofl:@wtf would you know.

[mashman]

Same marriage ceremony as mine

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:laugh: It always seems like a good idea at the time.

[Voltaire]

Use exactly the same evidence put forwards by the "specialists", and then substitute the 2 for a 4.

Did anyone ever see Into Iceland's Volcano? With the scientist (can get his name if need be) that stutters and stammers as he realises that their models are waaaaaaaaay too simple?

Anyhoo... if they can get an Earth based model wrong, one that has been studied using direct observation for decades. What makes you think they can accurately calculate how old the Earth is with any great certainty, let alone say there were only 2 moons and not 4? What is the margin of error, when you're talking about billions of years? Just saying is all. I stood on the shoulders of giants, and added 2.

The age of the earth was calculated in the Bible,everyone was happy enough with that till that Galliano bloke came along. 6 days to make the whoe shabang.

Albert agrees

https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/58584334.jpg

[Ocean1]

I don't where they're completely unsustainable in their current format. We can do better and you're damned straight that I'll whine about things not being as good as they could be. Most rational people would.

:killingme@advanced.

:rofl:@wtf would you know.

Of that list only clueless whiney arsed bastards may be unsustainable, hard to be sure 'cause nobody, but nobody gives a fuck about them. The rest are improvements, and improvements over such long terms that the trend isn't a bubble. So you're wrong. Demonstrably. Again.

Advanced is the correct term for a system producing historically unprecedented improvements.

And given that you can only answer perfectly valid criticism of your nasty, misanthropic world view with vacuous smileys I'd say they're smack on target.

[bogan]

There are no non-capitalist country's. Although Auroraville seems to still be rockin.

Used to be though, the term superceded springs to mind. Auroraville seems awfully quiet actually...

[Ocean1]

Used to be though, the term superceded springs to mind. Auroraville seems awfully quiet actually...

Not hard to spot the ones just barely successful enough to survive, just look for outfits with low standards of living: China, North Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Laos....

[sidecar bob]

Used to be though, the term superceded springs to mind. Auroraville seems awfully quiet actually...

I found this to be a great read. Pretty much summed up in the last paragraph.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/roads/2015/07/auroville_india_s_famed_utopian_community_struggle s_with_crime_and_corruption.html