Stupid World

[pete376403]

This is the sort of thing that makes me despise pollies. I would wager at least 90%+ of these youths doing runners, are doing so in stolen vehicles. Just yet another case of pollies saying "Look at us doing things" When it is just a load of shit. It just sets up poor law abiding citizens who have had the misfortune of having their cars stolen having to now jump over pollie mounted hurdles to get their cars back. Fucking pollie wankers.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130635162/crackdown-on-fleeing-drivers-government-to-change-law-to-impound-seize-and-sell-cars-of-runaways

After the car has been stolen and thrashed, bouncing of anything and everything, it's probably an insurance write-off anyway. Which is going to be tough on those who cannot afford insurance.

[TheDemonLord]

This is the sort of thing that makes me despise pollies. I would wager at least 90%+ of these youths doing runners, are doing so in stolen vehicles. Just yet another case of pollies saying "Look at us doing things" When it is just a load of shit. It just sets up poor law abiding citizens who have had the misfortune of having their cars stolen having to now jump over pollie mounted hurdles to get their cars back. Fucking pollie wankers.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/130635162/crackdown-on-fleeing-drivers-government-to-change-law-to-impound-seize-and-sell-cars-of-runaways

What an interesting comment.

I can think of another law, in fairly recent memory, where 90+% of the issues were caused by items held illegally, that the Pollies said loudly and vociferously "Look at us doing things', that's proven to be a load of shit, that targeted poor law abiding Citizens who had the misfortune of their property stolen...

Glad to see you are finally coming round to my side of the fence in regards to the 2019 Firearm law changes ;)

[R650R]

I don’t think this policy will last long or be greatly used. Just wait for the cry’s of systemic racism after Johnny uses Aunties car for the next gig....
There’s more holes in that policy wording than a police cordon!
But yes a great display of look we are doing something but in essence it’s a waste of time.
Given the paper work it would generate for cops I think they won’t use it unless they really want to

[sugilite]

What an interesting comment.

I can think of another law, in fairly recent memory, where 90+% of the issues were caused by items held illegally, that the Pollies said loudly and vociferously "Look at us doing things', that's proven to be a load of shit, that targeted poor law abiding Citizens who had the misfortune of their property stolen...

Glad to see you are finally coming round to my side of the fence in regards to the 2019 Firearm law changes ;)
Good to know normal service has resumed. Last week we agreed on two items - I was getting worried, so status quo restored - whew! :bleh:

[pritch]

Some people of means in the US decided that what the world needed was an anti-woke bank. Mike Pence's former Chief of Staff and Kelly Loeffler former US Senator and alleged insider trader were two of the founders.

Who would have guessed that the world didn't actually need an anti woke bank. The bank has gone bankrupt in what must be record time.

Ah well, we'll probably learn more about this as the forensic accountants investigate.

[TheDemonLord]

Good to know normal service has resumed. Last week we agreed on two items - I was getting worried, so status quo restored - whew! :bleh:

I dunno...

I agreed with the entire statement of yours...

That would make it 3 items...

[FJRider]

... Same with the US Navy SEALs - you have to pass BUD/s, then you have to go through SQT and then after that (which is when you truly are a Navy SEAL) you have lots of high intensity training. IIRC more SEALs have died in Training than in Combat.

I think it was Patton that said ... if nobody dies in training ... they're not training hard enough.

[TheDemonLord]

I think it was Patton that said ... if nobody dies in training ... they're not training hard enough.

The quote I remember is "The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in Combat"

[FJRider]

The quote I remember is "The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in Combat"

That quote was from a Richard Marcinko. Ex CO of Seal team Six.

Another quote of his I liked was ... “By the time I left Phnom Penh I could have written a Cambodian cookbook called 50 Ways to Wok Your Dog.”

[pete376403]

https://gizmodo.com/elon-musk-twitter-apple-buying-more-ads-tim-cook-1849837132

[R650R]

https://joannenova.com.au/2022/12/oxford-2024-climate-lockdowns-start-you-will-be-tracked-and-trapped-in-your-suburb-and-happy-about-it/

In the WEF’s own words — this rearrangement of cities is absolutely about climate change:
As climate change and global conflict cause shocks and stresses at faster intervals and increasing severity, the 15-minute city will become even more critical.

And the solution was the pandemic (they really say that):

The obvious, yet incomplete, answer is the pandemic…. with COVID-19 and its variants keeping everyone home (or closer to home than usual), the 15-minute city went from a “nice-to-have” to a rallying cry. Meeting all of one’s needs within a walking, biking or transit distance was suddenly a matter of life and death.

And then the dark hand of the totalitarian managers appears, as James Woudhuysen, warned in Spiked in late October:

The madness of the ‘15-minute city’
The green agenda is taking inspiration from the illiberal days of lockdown.

To this end, Oxfordshire County Council, which is run by Labour, the Liberal Democrats and the Green Party, wants to divide the city of Oxford into six ‘15 minute’ districts. In these districts, it is said, most household essentials will be accessible by a quarter-of-an-hour walk or bike ride, and so residents will have no need for a car.

On the surface, these 15-minute neigbourhoods might sound pleasant and convenient. But there is a coercive edge. The council plans to cut car use and traffic congestion by placing strict rules on car journeys.

Residents will have to register their cars with the council and they will be tracked to count their journeys through the key gateways. It’s the social credit scheme that starts with your car and works like anti-frequent-flyer points.

Under the new proposals, if any of Oxford’s 150,000 residents drives outside of their designated district more than 100 days a year, he or she could be fined £70.

The concept of the 15-minute city was born with ‘C40’. Chaired today by London mayor Sadiq Khan, C40 calls itself a ‘network of mayors of nearly 100 world-leading cities collaborating to deliver the urgent action needed right now to confront the climate crisis’.

Climate lockdowns? Seriously?
It all sounds a bit ridiculous to suggest a lockdown “for the climate” but listen to the BBC. They’re working awfully hard to persuade us — they obviously think voters won’t want this. Here they are connecting the “15 Minute City” to the fun of covid lockdowns, and setting this up as though it’s totally normal for the government to decide who your friends are:

How ’15-minute cities’ will change the way we socialise
And furthermore lockdowns in Paris were great social moments where we all made friends. Who knew how much fun it would be to be told you couldn’t drive far?

.. for Fraioli, the two-month lockdown that began on 17 March – confining her to a 1km radius of her home – gave her a nuanced, enriching view of her neighbourhood. “I discovered it’s possible to feel like you’re in a small village in Paris,” she says. “To get to know your neighbours, to maintain good links with shopkeepers, to favour local craftsmen and shops over large supermarkets. I even joined a citizens’ movement where people prepare food baskets for homeless people. I thought I would have a hard time living the lockdown, but I was perfectly at home, in a quiet place.”

I don’t seem to recall “getting to know neighbours” as being part of any lockdown anywhere?

And lookout — the 15 minute city is not just Oxford, but turning up in Brisbane, Melbourne, Barcelona, Paris, Portland and Buenos Aires. It’s everywhere.

[Berries]

Hit the shrooms a bit hard last night?

[george formby]

Hit the shrooms a bit hard last night?

Crate day fall out. Strong feelings of depression, anger and paranoia with impaired mental ability.

Aspirin won't help.

[mashman]

lololololololololololololol

I don’t seem to recall “getting to know neighbours” as being part of any lockdown anywhere?

Even prisoners do it. You must be an anti-social cant.

[george formby]

Even prisoners do it. You must be an anti-social cant.

I would guess that's exactly what the neighbours think, too.

[R650R]

Even prisoners do it. You must be an anti-social cant.

All of that text is cut and paste from the article, I know all my neighbours quite well thank you.
The AUTHORS intent in that comment was obviously a sarcastic remark with regards to the draconian provisions.
Let’s not forget our Single Source of Truth dicatated we were NOT to talk to neighbours across the fence, it was illegal under the level 4 bubbles.
I guess all that went above a few people’s heads.... :)

[mashman]

All of that text is cut and paste from the article, I know all my neighbours quite well thank you.
The AUTHORS intent in that comment was obviously a sarcastic remark with regards to the draconian provisions.
LetÂ’s not forget our Single Source of Truth dicatated we were NOT to talk to neighbours across the fence, it was illegal under the level 4 bubbles.
I guess all that went above a few peopleÂ’s heads.... :)

I know, I read it. Ironically, it's almost the same thing that The Venus Project design towards for more sustainable communities. Kate Raworths donut needs that data too i.e. peak desire v's what you can have within sustainable limits.

The fear that's generated sells though. Both extremes (TVP and WEF) v's the way we live today, and yet, both touting exactly the same thing as being required in order to provide some form of global food/water/energy/blah blah blah 'security', sustainably, so as to limit resource wars, poverty, the usual shit that no one ever addresses.

Point being, we're going to have to shift towards what both of those groups speak of (evidence is an arse that way), as well as skirting the scary reds under the bed communists world to reach a point of sustainability. End of story in terms of reality for human beings to have an existence on the planet. The rest is simply how we do it. So far, WEF is gonna win, coz they actually have a plan to bring about sustainability and the means to push it on everyone they wish using money as their weapon/measure of choice/worth......... but as ya'll keep banging on about how important that it to ya, yer essentially giving WEF the road :killingme.......

I'm sure your neighbours love you too.

[mashman]

I would guess that's exactly what the neighbours think, too.

Projection is such an ugly thing ;)

[TheDemonLord]

I know, I read it. Ironically, it's almost the same thing that The Venus Project design towards for more sustainable communities. Kate Raworths donut needs that data too i.e. peak desire v's what you can have within sustainable limits.

The fear that's generated sells though. Both extremes (TVP and WEF) v's the way we live today, and yet, both touting exactly the same thing as being required in order to provide some form of global food/water/energy/blah blah blah 'security', sustainably, so as to limit resource wars, poverty, the usual shit that no one ever addresses.

Point being, we're going to have to shift towards what both of those groups speak of (evidence is an arse that way), as well as skirting the scary reds under the bed communists world to reach a point of sustainability. End of story in terms of reality for human beings to have an existence on the planet. The rest is simply how we do it. So far, WEF is gonna win, coz they actually have a plan to bring about sustainability and the means to push it on everyone they wish using money as their weapon/measure of choice/worth......... but as ya'll keep banging on about how important that it to ya, yer essentially giving WEF the road :killingme.......

I'm sure your neighbours love you too.

I mean, thanks for confirming what I've been saying for years - however - when it comes to the Masses vs Top-down authoritarians, my money is always on the Masses (eventually).

[mashman]

I don't read what you write (first post after new year aside). Save your energy unless you think you're accomplishing something with whatever one sided statement/s you make.

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The Twenty-Seven Most Embarrassing Reactions to Taibbi Thread About Twitter Censoring Hunter Biden Tweets (https://www.mediaite.com/online/the-twenty-seven-most-embarrassing-reactions-to-taibbi-thread-about-twitter-censoring-hunter-biden-tweets/)

From darling journo of the man on the street to doing PR for Musk lol.

A first round of tweets that came to a conclusion that few seemed happy with, therefore it's a support piece for the richest man on the planet and not journalism :killingme :crybaby: :killingme... fickle tweats

[R650R]

I know, I read it. Ironically, it's almost the same thing that The Venus Project design towards for more sustainable communities. Kate Raworths donut needs that data too i.e. peak desire v's what you can have within sustainable limits.

The fear that's generated sells though. Both extremes (TVP and WEF) v's the way we live today, and yet, both touting exactly the same thing as being required in order to provide some form of global food/water/energy/blah blah blah 'security', sustainably, so as to limit resource wars, poverty, the usual shit that no one ever addresses.

Point being, we're going to have to shift towards what both of those groups speak of (evidence is an arse that way), as well as skirting the scary reds under the bed communists world to reach a point of sustainability. End of story in terms of reality for human beings to have an existence on the planet. The rest is simply how we do it. So far, WEF is gonna win, coz they actually have a plan to bring about sustainability and the means to push it on everyone they wish using money as their weapon/measure of choice/worth......... but as ya'll keep banging on about how important that it to ya, yer essentially giving WEF the road :killingme.......

I'm sure your neighbours love you too.

Well one well known radio host was known for articulating that communism and capitalism are two sides of same coin...

The word sustainable is a Latin derivative of the Russian word for starvation, golodaniye

Not much in our current world is unsustainable. Curiously activists and govts are really only concerned about stuff that relates to freedom of movement hhmmmm no prizes for guessing why?
Where are they on the sand issue, the worlds 2 biggest traded bulk commodity. We are rapidly running low on proper sharp sand for construction and cement ( the desert stuff is rounded and useless, marine stuff has salt contamination). Yet you don’t hear SFA about sand.
Be a bit hard to build all those wind turbine bases, sea walls andvinternment camps without it...

Yes we can clean up some technologies but there vast swathes of earth under utilised and full of unknown discoveries...

[R650R]

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The Twenty-Seven Most Embarrassing Reactions to Taibbi Thread About Twitter Censoring Hunter Biden Tweets (https://www.mediaite.com/online/the-twenty-seven-most-embarrassing-reactions-to-taibbi-thread-about-twitter-censoring-hunter-biden-tweets/)

From darling journo of the man on the street to doing PR for Musk lol.

A first round of tweets that came to a conclusion that few seemed happy with, therefore it's a support piece for the richest man on the planet and not journalism :killingme :crybaby: :killingme... fickle tweats

So your saying journalists report stuff based on whose throwing out the cash... sounds kinda familiar.....

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

When I want factual news, I go to Twitter not the state sponsored New Zealand media.

[husaberg]

When I want factual news, I go to Twitter not the state sponsored New Zealand media.

Is it factual news that Teslas do not use camera's.


Teslas don't use cameras, they use a new technology in a micro chip called Dojo.
.

https://twitter.com/teslascope/status/1475961134876221440
https://twitter.com/ft/status/889633821938855936
https://twitter.com/driveteslaca/status/1583153246381932544
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1210273702476054529

or tesla themselves
https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/autopilot/3

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Is it factual news that Teslas do not use camera's.



https://twitter.com/teslascope/status/1475961134876221440
https://twitter.com/ft/status/889633821938855936
https://twitter.com/driveteslaca/status/1583153246381932544
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1210273702476054529

or tesla themselves
https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/autopilot/3

That was fast, I presuming you had this post lined up ready to go, I'm sorry I kept you waiting for a week or so or whenever it was the last time I visited this site...lol.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Can all the left progressive woke supporters wear there rainbow coloured Jacinda and Cark forever t-shirt, having blue or pink hair is a bonus when they ride, makes it easier to avoid you.

You'll recognise me, I'm still the real man... seems like some of you left leaning progressive submissive males have now grown a blue hair vagina.

[husaberg]

When I want factual news, I go to Twitter not the state sponsored New Zealand media.

Is it factual news that Teslas do not use camera's.


Teslas don't use cameras, they use a new technology in a micro chip called Dojo.
.

https://twitter.com/teslascope/status/1475961134876221440
https://twitter.com/ft/status/889633821938855936
https://twitter.com/driveteslaca/status/1583153246381932544
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1210273702476054529

or tesla themselves
https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/autopilot/3


That was fast, I presuming you had this post lined up ready to go, I'm sorry I kept you waiting for a week or so or whenever it was the last time I visited this site...lol.

no i just used basic techniques such as using the word camera and al bundy 4eva in the basic KB search function.
Less than 30 seconds.
It doesn't take much energy to make you look like what you are.

just like these gems





I joined the kiwibiker platform mainly to be closer aligned with Kiwi biker's and conditions, Unfortunately I was instantly attacked and called a troll for asking dumb newbie questions, I wasn't offended, criticism is much harsher on other platforms... just made me understand, local forums are no different to major international forums.


When one is intimated by anothers intelligence, they resort to the "he must be a troll!!" to make up for the lack of intelligence.


You have me all wrong, you don't realise I have increased the I.Q of this forum since joining it .



Now my superior intellect is starting to make you act and pretend to be like me, a standard reaction in the animal kingdom, similar to a submissive puppy dog yearning for its masters attention.
Good boy, well done.




I was instantly attacked and called a troll for asking dumb newbie questions, .

So How about you answer the question about if its factual news that teslas dont use cameras as you clearly stated?

[mashman]

Well one well known radio host was known for articulating that communism and capitalism are two sides of same coin...

The word sustainable is a Latin derivative of the Russian word for starvation, golodaniye

Not much in our current world is unsustainable. Curiously activists and govts are really only concerned about stuff that relates to freedom of movement hhmmmm no prizes for guessing why?
Where are they on the sand issue, the worlds 2 biggest traded bulk commodity. We are rapidly running low on proper sharp sand for construction and cement ( the desert stuff is rounded and useless, marine stuff has salt contamination). Yet you don’t hear SFA about sand.
Be a bit hard to build all those wind turbine bases, sea walls andvinternment camps without it...

Yes we can clean up some technologies but there vast swathes of earth under utilised and full of unknown discoveries...

I can see why given that neither was the pure version of either yet both have been touted as something they're not. But yeah communism, outwith societies that ran without using money, is simply capitalism with a different leadership style and distribution of wealth.

And Mortgage comes from the French for Death Pledge.

Nah, activists and govts are also concerned with survival of sentient beings, some form of homeostasis and various other things that are more than obviously existing as issues that aren't being addressed. Freedom of movement affects everyone and everything... and if that movement is unsustainable, then it might be an idea to address that instead of saying, hey guys there's a fucktonne of untapped wealth everywhere we just need the rights, as some form of solution.

There are potentially thousands of technologies that have not been implemented on economic grounds, not feasibility. Got a lightbulb that lasts forever? Then you eventually put lightbulb makers out of business. In a similar vein looms took jobs back in the day. All good for productivity and the market, but a bastard for the people replaced and all but forgotten. Alongside producing what we need and not what we want for a while, we might actually fluke an existence (climate/environment) for the seventh generation from Today. As you're aware, Greenwashing is really only partly truth. Alas, human opinion v's evidence etc... wins the day.

[mashman]

So your saying journalists report stuff based on whose throwing out the cash... sounds kinda familiar.....

Nope, not saying that at all. I'm saying that the journo did his job and came up with a result that was less than satisfactory for the mobs expectations... and the mob spoke as inconsistently as ever... more or less.

[pritch]

You'll recognise me, I'm still the real man...

Wealthy people don't make a fuss about their wealth. Intelligent people don't tell you how intelligent they are. There is an American claims to be an Alpha male in all of his Twitter posts, blissfully unaware that disqualifies him. On that basis you should forget about being a real man. Oh, and you ride a Honda? There is a tradition here that has long maintained Honda riders are gay.

[R650R]

e.

Nah, activists and govts are also concerned with survival of sentient beings, some form of homeostasis and various other things that are more than obviously existing as issues that aren't being addressed. Freedom of movement affects everyone and everything... and if that movement is unsustainable, then it might be an idea to address that instead of saying, hey guys there's a fucktonne of untapped wealth everywhere we just need the rights, as some form of solution.

.

There is the classic leftist problem. They are obsessed with others being more successful out of their chosen actions instead of just seeing the greater good those actions created.
Fossil fuels and the Industrial Age was responsible for humanity going from 2 billion to 7 billion in a short time frame thanks to easy food production and transport of food.
And the rate of technological advance during that time thanks to the numbers game, a bigger population will naturally result in a few extra smart people in the mix

[mashman]

There is the classic leftist problem. They are obsessed with others being more successful out of their chosen actions instead of just seeing the greater good those actions created.
Fossil fuels and the Industrial Age was responsible for humanity going from 2 billion to 7 billion in a short time frame thanks to easy food production and transport of food.
And the rate of technological advance during that time thanks to the numbers game, a bigger population will naturally result in a few extra smart people in the mix

The left are envious :killingme. Come on, surely you can do better than that. They're envious, so they make noises to drag businesses down... and the past, current and future rape of the planet to accomplish that has nothing to do with it? Holy dehumanisation by political leaning batman.
Yes, we got good at doing stuff... and there was a fucking huge cost that everyone seems to want to avoid taking responsibility for with regards to sustainability and structural violence and market waste etc... It's called having respect for your host environment.
lolololololololol... sorry, it did, it made me lol. Did you not read the last bit you edited out of the quote about the useful stuff being feasible but not implemented because of its economic fallout? I suspect you're not quite connecting the economic dots there, or your brain simply won't allow that objective reality to sink in....... coz everyone's jealous isn't exactly anywhere near the fookin' truth by a military mile in terms of finger pointing. We have what we need Today in terms of tech (potential). We don't have the economic model that allows that to happen. Klaus is changing that while you're buying his crypto.

Edit: From Tomorrowland: "You've got simultaneous epidemics of obesity and starvation. Explain that one! Bees and butterflies start to disappear, the glaciers melt, algae blooms. All around you the coal mine canaries are dropping dead and you won't take the hint!". We also have more than enough property to end involuntary homelessness, but don't...

[R650R]

Edit: From Tomorrowland: "You've got simultaneous epidemics of obesity and starvation. Explain that one! Bees and butterflies start to disappear, the glaciers melt, algae blooms. All around you the coal mine canaries are dropping dead and you won't take the hint!". We also have more than enough property to end involuntary homelessness, but don't...

If we didn’t have oppressive leftist legislation like the resources management act and building permits etc there would Ben no homelessness.
Only the right promoted limited govt and personal freedom to create.

[mashman]

If we didn’t have oppressive leftist legislation like the resources management act and building permits etc there would Ben no homelessness.
Only the right promoted limited govt and personal freedom to create.

That still doesn't mean it couldn't be done with everything we have Today, rma or not. Any government could do it Today if they chose... or at least if it was popular enough among the people to change the program a little, but hey, sure, why not, let's point the finger at the rma and building permits as being the problem. What was the reason for homelessness before all of these oppressive rules appeared?
lol@promoted government. Still dodging the economics v's finite planet issue huh. Go buy some more Klaus $.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

So How about you answer the question about if its factual news that teslas dont use cameras as you clearly stated?

So how about you admit your taking the progressive left advice and you have begun Female hormone replacement, because you leftist believe the fallacy that men should be submissive and feminized.

Remind me not be in your fox hole if China or Russia invades ...nah check that, you'll be hiding behind Jacindas skirt being "compassionate "

[husaberg]

So how about you admit your taking the progressive left advice and you have begun Female hormone replacement, because you leftist believe the fallacy that men should be submissive and feminized.

Remind me not be in your fox hole if China or Russia invades ...nah check that, you'll be hiding behind Jacindas skirt being "compassionate "

Just more pointless drivel....

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Just more pointless drivel....Its okay to be upset and angry, this is natural when your monthly cycle comes around,

Congratulations! You have become a woman!! The progressive left will be so proud of you!

[Berries]

The word sustainable is a Latin derivative of the Russian word for starvation, golodaniye...
Best James Bond film for ages.



You'll recognise me, I'm still the real man....

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Best James Bond film for ages.

If a couple from Mosgiel get divorced..

Are they still cousins?

[mashman]

Bean Me Up Cafe in Kaikōura owner Sharon Rayner jailed for selling food without proper registration (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/kaikoura-cafe-owner-who-refused-to-put-up-covid-scan-codes-during-lockdown-jailed-for-selling-food-without-proper-registration)

Pathetic example setting and virtue signalling from a council that made its decisions on lies... and then doubling down by continuing to do so even when those lies have been exposed. Rules are rules :killingme... unless you work at the council, then you can ignore the law should you wish and your superiors will support you.

[Hoonicorn]

Is it factual news that Teslas do not use camera's.



https://twitter.com/teslascope/status/1475961134876221440
https://twitter.com/ft/status/889633821938855936
https://twitter.com/driveteslaca/status/1583153246381932544
https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1210273702476054529

or tesla themselves
https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/autopilot/3

I watched the documentary on Tesla autopilot. Elon decided that cameras were like eyes and humans only needed eyes to see so why do Teslas need both radar & cameras. So they dropped radar from the teslas. Don't drive at night or in low visibility environments then? I'm interested in film/camera work etc... so I wanted to see quality of the Tesla cameras. Some you tubers have uploaded video footage from their teslas and its very poor quality, like old camera phones with bad colour quality. Now they're relying only on the cameras, I hope they're using better quality cams (5MP for hardware version 4 doesn't seem like much when a phone can have 40MP!)

I never heard of Tesla dojo so I did a quick google (something that more people should do before they comment!) and found its teslas supercomputer. Probably for processing all the data that gets sent from the guinea pigs driving teslas.

[R650R]

I watched the documentary on Tesla autopilot. Elon decided that cameras were like eyes and humans only needed eyes to see so why do Teslas need both radar & cameras. So they dropped radar from the teslas. Don't drive at night or in low visibility environments then? I'm interested in film/camera work etc... so I wanted to see quality of the Tesla cameras. Some you tubers have uploaded video footage from their teslas and its very poor quality, like old camera phones with bad colour quality. Now they're relying only on the cameras, I hope they're using better quality cams (5MP for hardware version 4 doesn't seem like much when a phone can have 40MP!)

I never heard of Tesla dojo so I did a quick google (something that more people should do before they comment!) and found its teslas supercomputer. Probably for processing all the data that gets sent from the guinea pigs driving teslas.

It started running over motorbikes because of that, the AI think a single red taillight was two distant taillights close together etc. Apparentmy it’s mostly running over Harley’s o far....

[pritch]

Musk erred in referring to 'auto pilot'. Fuckwits took him seriously. Other brands refer to things like "driver assist" which doesn't persuade the owner to sit in the passenger seat or read the newspaper on their morning commute.

Tesla cameras, in addition to cyclists motorised and otherwise, don't perform well with people of darker skin tone or with eighteen wheeler truck and trailer units if they are painted a similar colour to the background. And yes, a Tesla fatally drove its owner under a truck painted a similar colour to the sky at the time.

Perhaps Tesla will not be with us much longer. Every major car manufacturer will be making electric cars and many will be better than Tesla.

[onearmedbandit]

Can't argue with that, he over-hyped and oversold a technology he couldn't deliver. Those on the hype-train can't see it (or choose not to) but I feel their days are numbered too. Already major manufacturers have got competent EV pick-ups on the market, even new brands like Rivian have delivered product, and quality product too. Ford have been smart and given their regular F-150 a dedicated EV model and it's priced very well against the competitors and being praised. Tesla have nothing new to offer except a renegade leader.

[R650R]

Perhaps Tesla will not be with us much longer. Every major car manufacturer will be making electric cars and many will be better than Tesla.

Yes several astute commentators have already talked about that, you can’t buy the experience and know how of the likes of Toyota or Ford etc in making an international distribution network efficient from finished product right through to raw material Sc etc.

Also Tesla wants you to buy online only and no one else allowed to fix the car excerpt them. The billion dollar company that behaves like a California startup....

If Klaus Schwab gets his way we won’t own anything anyway....

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Also Tesla wants you to buy online only and no one else allowed to fix the car excerpt them. The billion dollar company that behaves like a California startup....

If Klaus Schwab gets his way we won’t own anything anyway....

You don't service Teslas intermittently

You update over the air online at home like your phone because you don't have an internal combustion engine.

Tesla don't use dealership, it cuts out the middle man unless you want to pay extra for a sleazy car salesman commission, so your buying directly from the source.

I have to service my CBR at Honda motorcycles, it's under a new vehicle warranty , same with Tesla

I own 2 Teslas.. because I can (and I'm wealthy)

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Elon Musk

Made EV mainstream

Advanced AI - FSD

Multiple tonnage to space, lowest cost

Covered the world in satellite internet & mass commercialized Starlink

Enabled critical comms: Ukraine, Iran, & other war zones

Enabled Free Speech on Twitter

...and Jacinta Arden wore a burka at the Christchurch mosque killings ...nuff said.

[onearmedbandit]

There is no doubting he's achieved a lot, but the promises of Tesla that will never be delivered on are not one of them. And that's what was being discussed.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

There is no doubting he's achieved a lot, but the promises of Tesla that will never be delivered on are not one of them. And that's what was being discussed.

Never?

All the above he has delivered in just over 13 years, much more is to come

Never implies it's never going to happen


One thing I've learned by investing in Tesla for many years is Musk is always late on his promises but he always delivers.

[onearmedbandit]

Never?

All the above he has delivered in just over 13 years, much more is to come

Never implies it's never going to happen


One thing I've learned by investing in Tesla for many years is Musk is always late on his promises but he always delivers.

Ok I'll agree, never say never. But after talking to a good friend of mine who has a quite a strong grasp on this sort of tech, where I once thought he could deliver on his promises I now understand why it's less likely rather than more likely to eventuate.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Bill Gates said a 800km single charge Semi Truck is "never" going to happen

Tesla delivered it's first to customers last week

It moves of the line the same speed as a car,

Efficiency carrying 37ton uphill with power and down hill with the same slowing power

70% charge after 30 minutes

The first prototype was 5 years ago, I'm confident that
if the world wasn't locked in cages the last few years (China still is) Tesla would be much further ahead in its mission to wipe out the internal combustion engine.

[mashman]

BIS Warns Pension Funds and 'Non-Bank' Firms have $80 Trillion in FX Swaps, Higher than Dollar Treasury Bills (https://unusualwhales.com/news/bis-warns-pension-funds-and-non-bank-firms-have-80-trillion-in-fx-swaps-higher-than-dollar-treasury-bills)

"The BIS serves as the bank for central banks". Wonder who the BIS owes?

[mashman]

REAL ID... lol.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Ok I'll agree, never say never. But after talking to a good friend of mine who has a quite a strong grasp on this sort of tech, where I once thought he could deliver on his promises I now understand why it's less likely rather than more likely to eventuate.

I think your friend should he ever get the chance, take a holiday to Texas and pay a visit to Space X and the Tesla Giga factory, it's truly amazing what these kids (30ish,) are achieving as engineers.

The world is in safe hands if these kids lead the way after Musk is gone.

[onearmedbandit]

I think your friend should he ever get the chance, take a holiday to Texas and pay a visit to Space X and the Tesla Giga factory, it's truly amazing what these kids (30ish,) are achieving as engineers.

The world is in safe hands if these kids lead the way after Musk is gone.

Ok I'll be sure to let him know.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

The world is in safe hands if these kids lead the way after Musk is gone.

When I say gone, there is numerous threats on his (Musks) life from many sources, he needs a succession plan to carry on his mission should someone take him out.

[husaberg]

Bill Gates said a 800km single charge Semi Truck is "never" going to happen

Tesla delivered it's first to customers last week

It moves of the line the same speed as a car,

Efficiency carrying 37ton uphill with power and down hill with the same slowing power

70% charge after 30 minutes

The first prototype was 5 years ago, I'm confident that
if the world wasn't locked in cages the last few years (China still is) Tesla would be much further ahead in its mission to wipe out the internal combustion engine.

So whats the payload for this..... hint its only 15 ton

How many megachargers are there to fast charge these to advertised times.... 2 that i can find ?
has this charging speed been verified by independent journalists ...well no we just need to trust elon.....
What's the range on hilly terrain... oh thats not mentioned ?
In production now... great, hint its already 5 years past its due date for production....
Pepsis ordered 100 trucks, .....great but dont they have a fleet of 36,000 trucks in total.....

ps telma brakes are old news. Also Our old shitter trains here have had regen braking for decades.

This quarry was the first place i seen a telma being used
i cant remember what they had them on but they might have been theswinging axel backbone chassis Tatras.
Electric has its place short hall or in the cities like the old milk floats.....
https://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/nzs-first-electric-dump-truck-dunedin-quarry

[pritch]

When I say gone, there is numerous threats on his (Musks) life from many sources, he needs a succession plan to carry on his mission should someone take him out.

I'm not sure the threats are all that credible. After all the guys he is sucking up to are the ones who use terrorist tactics.

Musk is fond of bullshit. He posts tweets then subsequently deletes them. He has received many millions from various taxpayers without delivering much. He takes personal credit for what the engineers achieve. There is a fine line between how he operates and what a conman does. Too fine.

He tried very hard to get the US Govt to adopt proprietary Tesla charging systems but they sensibly resisted and used a universal charger.

He doesn't care much about the Tesla cars and reportedly it shows in the quality. When Tesla makes a profit it's from the sale of carbon credits, not cars.

Oh, and his big Twitter political interference expose went splat. Complete nonsense.

[R650R]

Bill Gates said a 800km single charge Semi Truck is "never" going to happen

Tesla delivered it's first to customers last week

It moves of the line the same speed as a car,

Efficiency carrying 37ton uphill with power and down hill with the same slowing power

70% charge after 30 minutes

The first prototype was 5 years ago, I'm confident that
if the world wasn't locked in cages the last few years (China still is) Tesla would be much further ahead in its mission to wipe out the internal combustion engine.

A bit of fact checking and real word trucking notes....

It was not “ carrying” 37 ton it was grossing 37 ton. Spy pics showed a flat deck (major help in economy vs box van or curtains) carrying concrete barriers for test.

Most NZ big rigs gross 48 ton under the new regulations. That extra 11 ton would really kill the range and maybe cook the motors on NZ hills so donÂ’t expect to see it here soon.
ItÂ’s common consumer knowledge that running a battery system close to zero constantly shortens itÂ’s lifespan.
Even if fast charging (something else that kills batteryÂ’s) to 70% is plausible I can tell you that due to many circumstances beyond a drivers control heÂ’s not going to magically be at a fast charge facility at unloading or rest break location.
The only type of work where this system is useable is likes of amazon/Walmart type work where you own and control the facilities at points of loading and unloading. But very few business operate that model. Even then a lot of their trucks are subcontractors operating small fleets of 10-20 trucks etc.

Doing high mileage all the road vibration takes its toll, eventually wires will chaff or insulation will breakdown, at 1000V DC that is going to be spectacular! No matter the manufacturer when your doing big kms stuff just breaks time to time.

Electric Jesus claims a magic windscreen that is unbreakable... wonder if he tested against logging truck thatÂ’s just pulled out of forest spitting rock out of dual tyres at 180km/h closing speed....

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

It was tested on a mountainous roads with a full load, It kept up with cars and still achieved 500 miles

Pepsi has started to use them, Tesla will start deliveries with there cargo so they can work on any faults,so I guess it remains to be seen

Still, very impressive and the future is bright for an electrified trucking fleet

Tesla didn't mention FSD, to political I guess, millions would lose jobs if it happened to fast, a gradual introduction to replace the driving industry should be the best approach, gives time for these drivers to find other work, FSD subscription I would charge on an annual subscription to companies, perhaps 25% of a human annual salary
https://youtu.be/GtgaYEh-qSk truck driver annual income.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Infrastructure is still coming for the semi, hell there's only about 20 or so Tesla semis built, so New Zealand is at best 2 to 5 years away before we see the first Tesla trucks on the state highway 1

I would presume a combination of Tesla, Private trucking companies (mainfreight etc) private charging contactors and government will start on the Truck charging stations infrastructure around NZ in the next few years.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

0 to 100km in 20sec , I'm presuming that's a full load, very impressive

2 kWh per mile energy consumption

Yes, the savings on fuel would pay for the investment in the Tesla semi in 3 to 5 years.

81000 lbs pay load

Again, the big one is FSD or level 5 full self driving "if" this is solved and passed by regulative authorities in a few years, it's game over.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Husenberg

Here's a hint, before you go to mainstream media to be further brainwashed

Why not

I don't know, go to the actual source or company that built the truck

Seriously? How can a news organisation have detailed information on the truck? Did the reporter build the truck?Did mainstream media drive the truck? Was mainstream media a passenger?

Fully Loaded at 82k lbs Gross Combination Weight

https://www.tesla.com/semi

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

What's happened to New Zealand

Some key words jump out at me

"Never '

"Impossible "

"Dreamer "

"Won't happen "

"Can't happen "

What happened to us as a nation? Sir Edmond Hillary,Gene Batten, Bert Munro would be cringing at us today

Yes Musk is an Autistic South African American billionaire on the other side of the world, but because New Zealand is a nation of haters, there's nobody to aspire too here.

[pritch]

Still, very impressive and the future is bright for an electrified trucking fleet


I've mentioned it before but it fits here. Heard an interview with a Kiwi working in the US on electric trucks. He felt electric cars are not the big fossil fuel savers. Most people only spend a small part of each day in their car. The big savings come in vehicles that are on the road all day. Courier vans, rubbish trucks. or whatever.

Some of the local rubbish trucks are electric so a start has been made..

[R650R]

I've mentioned it before but it fits here. Heard an interview with a Kiwi working in the US on electric trucks. He felt electric cars are not the big fossil fuel savers. Most people only spend a small part of each day in their car. The big savings come in vehicles that are on the road all day. Courier vans, rubbish trucks. or whatever.

Some of the local rubbish trucks are electric so a start has been made..

Yes that is where it makes sense too in that metro stop start environment. A kiwi outfit is already distributing a large hotswappable type battery unit. Still it won’t suit all, you’d be surprised how many kms a decent city trucker can do in a day.

If musk was any true genius he would have just gone the power train route. Design and build a unit that fits in same physical space as a large 16 litre Cummins or Detroit engine bay, causecreally thsts all that needs changing right?

Saw a good clip other day, an EV car needs to cover 80,000km beforevits “ offset” the pollution caused by it development and building of new factory etc...

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Saw a good clip other day, an EV car needs to cover 80,000km beforevits “ offset” the pollution caused by it development and building of new factory etc...

Enjoy

https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

He doesn't care much about the Tesla cars and reportedly it shows in the quality. When Tesla makes a profit it's from the sale of carbon credits, not cars.

Complete nonsense.

Tesla automotive regulatory carbon credits represent "only" 3% of year over year annual revenue

Most analyst including myself don't add it into there financial forcast because it's so little.

Download the latest Tesla "share holders deck" Quarterly report

It's page 4 second line, first line is Automotive revenue

https://ir.tesla.com/#quarterly-disclosure

This is also for the lady biker who said I don't research before posting, I own hundreds of thousands of Tesla stock

I know everything about the company.

[pete376403]

Tesla automotive regulatory carbon credits represent "only" 3% of year over year annual revenue

Most analyst including myself don't add it into there financial forcast because it's so little.

Download the latest Tesla "share holders deck" Quarterly report

It's page 4 second line, first line is Automotive revenue

https://ir.tesla.com/#quarterly-disclosure

This is also for the lady biker who said I don't research before posting, I own hundreds of thousands of Tesla stock

I know everything about the company.

"everything" is a big word - I would suspect there is a lot Tesla dont make known , even to shareholders.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

"everything" is a big word - I would suspect there is a lot Tesla dont make known , even to shareholders.

I agree, wrong word, I know everything available to me or the general public, Fucken Tesla hide alot of shit from me

There employees get first dibs on shares, which is why they hide good news stories that pump the price and Tesla purposely don't deny bullshit stories that pop up all over the fucken place

It's frustrating as an investor because I know it's bullshit

But Tesla is looking after it's young engineers to buy the stock at a lower price while the media make up shit

It's fucken frustrating as an o.g investor watching the share price tank while Tesla plays on it for there employees to get access to a cheaper share price

But I understand, these young engineers are fucken brilliant, and deserve a larger ownership of the company instead of greedy pricks like me wanting the share price to double as fast as possible.

[husaberg]

I agree, wrong word, I know everything available to me or the general public, Fucken Tesla hide alot of shit from me

You mean like the cameras you claimed were not part of tesla vision....
How is it you got that wrong being a self styled tesla expert?
it seems almost impossible given you claim to be a tesla expert and have access to specialist information to get such a simple part so completely and utterly wrong


Teslas don't use cameras, they use a new technology in a micro chip called Dojo.
.


From tesla themselves
https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/autopilot/3

Transitioning to Tesla Vision
We are continuing the transition to Tesla Vision, our camera-based Autopilot system. Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built from June 2022 for the New Zealand market now utilise our camera-based Tesla Vision, which relies on Tesla’s advanced suite of cameras and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot and related features.
Tesla's AI self-driving feature is made of neural networks which are trained on millions of video data so it can become better (remember the more data, the better the AI), and these millions of video data easily become big data and so using GPUs would be inefficient and distributed computing would be great but to train AI on data as big as millions of data videos which are updated daily you'd need a lot of computers as essentially distributed computing is just sharing processing work between a lot of computers and so tesla decided that building a supercomputer would be more efficient both tech-wise and cost-wise and so the Dojo supercomputer was born
The Dojo is a supercomputer built by tesla to train its AI deep neural networks and Machine Learning algorithms.
it goes smoothly the self-driving AI is taking note of its surroundings using an inbuilt camera and sending that video back to Tesla's servers so that data can be used to train it more and in so that way the more people who use the self-driving AI, the more it gets better.
Now back to the Dojo, in theory, when the video data gotten from the car is sent back to Tesla's servers, the Dojo supercomputer then gets hold of that data and uses it to train the neural network which powers the Tesla self-driving AI.



But Tesla is looking after it's young engineers to buy the stock at a lower price while the media make up shit

It's fucken frustrating as an o.g investor watching the share price tank while Tesla plays on it for there employees to get access to a cheaper share price
But I understand, these young engineers are fucken brilliant, and deserve a larger ownership of the company instead of greedy pricks like me wanting the share price to double as fast as possible.
sounds very communistic..
also at odds with what you said earlier about your massive growth of your shares worth.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

^^Ummm, hey,hussebabe .. you the hot biker chick now? I'm not down or up to date with the young progressive left, what's your pronoun? She,her, sheezy?


..x
https://youtu.be/Iht75-LF7mE

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

The look on this hot girls face envisions me trying to explain the complexities of the Tesla Dojo chip to the now hot girl Husenberg
https://youtube.com/shorts/BHdVArwDaTY?feature=share

[pritch]

Saw a headline that Musk's Neuralink was under government investigation. No mention as to which of the many investigative arms of the government was involved.
This seems to be the story.

https://www.cnet.com/science/elon-musks-neuralink-under-investigation-for-potential-animal-welfare-violations/

[TheDemonLord]

Saw a headline that Musk's Neuralink was under government investigation. No mention as to which of the many investigative arms of the government was involved.
This seems to be the story.

https://www.cnet.com/science/elon-musks-neuralink-under-investigation-for-potential-animal-welfare-violations/

Tell me Pritch, do you not see the timing of this at all suspicious?

Musk releases internal Documentation showing that the Democrats were effectively breaking the First Amendment (In Spirit, if not in Law) and then suddenly one of Musk's companies gets investigated for Animal Abuse?

Animal Abuse being a particular crime that has no political Element or faction, the most lefty Raving Communist and the most individualist Right winger love Doggos and Cats.

Does this not ring a faint bell somewhere?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Tell me Pritch, do you not see the timing of this at all suspicious?

Musk releases internal Documentation showing that the Democrats were effectively breaking the First Amendment (In Spirit, if not in Law) and then suddenly one of Musk's companies gets investigated for Animal Abuse?

Animal Abuse being a particular crime that has no political Element or faction, the most lefty Raving Communist and the most individualist Right winger love Doggos and Cats.

Does this not ring a faint bell somewhere?

Great post !

Unfortunately many are still going to believe everything that state sponsored media print... even if they slightly bend the truth to suit the narrative.

Years of brain washing by state sponsored media is going to be a hard habit to kick for most.

[pete376403]

Great post !

Unfortunately many are still going to believe everything that state sponsored media print... even if they slightly bend the truth to suit the narrative.

Years of brain washing by state sponsored media is going to be a hard habit to kick for most.

Just as many are still going to believe everything that private media print (Rupert Murdoch, Alex Jones, et al...) even if they completely bend the truth to suit the narrative.

Years of brain washing by private media is going to be a hard habit to kick for some.

There is a saying "history is written by the winners" - wonder who the winners will be? Fortunately I am too old to care

[pritch]

Tell me Pritch, do you not see the timing of this at all suspicious?

Musk releases internal Documentation showing that the Democrats were effectively breaking the First Amendment (In Spirit, if not in Law) and then suddenly one of Musk's companies gets investigated for Animal Abuse?

Animal Abuse being a particular crime that has no political Element or faction, the most lefty Raving Communist and the most individualist Right winger love Doggos and Cats.

Does this not ring a faint bell somewhere?

Not at all. Musk's great Twitter tell all was a total bust. There was nothing there.

The RWNJs are banging on about the First Amendment but there was zero relevance in law or in spirit.
Twitter is not a government entity, neither was the Biden campaign. Revenge porn is illegal in most states, but all Biden was trying to do was keep his kid's dick pic off the Internet. What father wouldn't?

The Twitter staff communications revealed by Taibbi just show a concern for doing the right thing as opposed to any kind of cover up.

Musk sails close to the wind legally and financially. This investigation is unlikely to be the last.

[TheDemonLord]

Not at all. Musk's great Twitter tell all was a total bust. There was nothing there.

The RWNJs are banging on about the First Amendment but there was zero relevance in law or in spirit.

Okay, is Ro Khanna (Democratic Congressman and 'Total Biden Partisan') a RWNJ?

Because here is a direct quote from what was released:


But this seems a violation of First Amendment Principles

https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1598838041371516929/photo/1


Twitter is not a government entity, neither was the Biden campaign.

Just so happens to be staffed by people that support 99% the Democrat party and give preferential treatment to the Democrat Party and as the emails show are willing to break their own policies in order to censor factual reporting that looks bad for the Democrats.

I mean... How much they couldn't be working closer together if their testicles were touching.

Not to mention we know the FBI told Twitter to be 'on guard' for certain information (I wonder what every could they mean?)


Revenge porn is illegal in most states, but all Biden was trying to do was keep his kid's dick pic off the Internet. What father wouldn't?

No one, until today, has raised the issue of Revenge Porn. No one. Don't try and create a post-hoc justification, the justification at the time was that it was 'hacked', except it wasn't. The internal Twitter communications show that they realised it wasn't a breach of their policies but they did it anyway because Orange Man Bad.

Even then, let's presume in good faith, that it's just about 'revenge porn' - fine, filter the explicit images, and allow the rest - as opposed to block everything.


The Twitter staff communications revealed by Taibbi just show a concern for doing the right thing as opposed to any kind of cover up.

Bull.
Shit.

They show a concern to stop Donald Trump from getting elected and taking active steps to interfere with that happened - and they even breached their own policies to do so.

[pritch]

Okay, is Ro Khanna (Democratic Congressman and 'Total Biden Partisan') a RWNJ?

I doubt it but there is zero relevance to the 1A.



Just so happens to be staffed by people that support 99% the Democrat party and give preferential treatment to the Democrat Party and as the emails show are willing to break their own policies in order to censor factual reporting that looks bad for the Democrats.

Total speculation on your part. As for the rest I guess you could think that if you consider dick pics as factual reporting. I don't.



No one, until today, has raised the issue of Revenge Porn.


Perhaps not in the strange parts of the Internet that you inhabit. It has been mentioned as the origin of some of the photos. I don't know when it was first mentioned but it wasn't "today".

[sugilite]

Bull.
Shit.

They show a concern to stop Donald Trump from getting elected and taking active steps to interfere with that happened - and they even breached their own policies to do so.
Meh, Pritch is right, that so called huge twitter reveal was a damp squib. Protecting the public from seeing hunters dick is hardly preventing trump from being elected :rolleyes:

[TheDemonLord]

I doubt it but there is zero relevance to the 1A.

A Congressman, against his own self-declared interests, says "this seems a violation of First Amendment Principles"

And you think it has zero relevance to the first Amendment.

What's Husa's line again?

"X thinks they know more about Subject than Y"?


Total speculation on your part.

Not at all, look up the declared (above $200) donations for Twitter by Party - it's never been lower then 97% in favour of the Democrats. Add in all the other sundry items, like having company T-Shirts that say 'Stay Woke'


As for the rest I guess you could think that if you consider dick pics as factual reporting. I don't.

Are you saying it wasn't Hunters Dick then?

I mean, I think I've tangentially mentioned it once or twice, however focusing on the Dick (heh. sorry, had to make the joke) <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">is ignoring the balls</span> is to ignore the more important parts - like taking money from the CCP and giving it to The Big Guy (strongly believed to be Joe) or the meetings that we know took place, appeared in Hunter's calendar, but were curiously missing from the VP of the US official schedule...


Perhaps not in the strange parts of the Internet that you inhabit. It has been mentioned as the origin of some of the photos. I don't know when it was first mentioned but it wasn't "today".

We have discussed Hunter's laptop since about 2020 - and yet this is the first time Revenge Porn has been raised.

I have 2 words: Red. Herring.

[TheDemonLord]

Meh, Pritch is right, that so called huge twitter reveal was a damp squib.

You're okay with the Government using politically aligned 'private' entities to censure political opponents?

Cool.

I'll make note of that for the future.


Protecting the public from seeing hunters dick is hardly preventing trump from being elected :rolleyes:

If that was all they did, you might (and I stress, Might) have a point.

But they didn't.

And as to Pritch - Hunters Dick is the least offensive thing on the Laptop. The Drugs, Hookers, recorded criminal acts, Ladies of rather youthful appearance, Corruption, bribes etc. - that's the more interesting parts.

y'know - the things people said after the election that would have changed their mind on who they voted for if they had known about it. Like if one of the largest distribution platforms on the internet hadn't breached their own internal policies at the behest of the Democrat party to censor it because they hate Trump.

[pritch]

We have discussed Hunter's laptop since about 2020 - and yet this is the first time Revenge Porn has been raised.



It's far from the first time it has been raised online. I just did a quick search for Biden revenge porn. The oldest was from 2020, about when we started discussing Hunter's laptop. What a coincidence. There was a more recent flurry back in March resulting from a Joe Biden speech. Hardly yesterday.

Forty two states and DC now have revenge porn laws. These laws are recent and are evolving. Twitter allowing Hunter Biden's dick pic to be published without his permission would appear to breach most versions of the law.

A few examples to show which way the wind is blowing: Delaware where Joe Biden lives, DC where he works, California where Hunter Biden apparently lives and where Twitter has its HQ.

Delaware: Posting a nude or sexually explicit photo or video of someone on the internet without their consent.

DC: Knowingly disclosing one or more sexual images of another identifiable person when:
The person depicted did not consent to the disclosure of the sexual image;
There was an agreement or understanding between the person depicted and the person disclosing that the sexual image would not be disclosed; and
The person disclosed the sexual image with the intent to harm the person depicted or to receive financial gain.

California: [/I]Distributing the images, where the victim is identifiable; With the intent to cause serious emotional distress to the victim; and
The victim actually suffered such distress.[/I]

Any responsible Twitter employee would have paused before permitting unauthorised dick pics to be published on their platform.

[TheDemonLord]

It's far from the first time it has been raised online. I just did a quick search for Biden revenge porn. The oldest was from 2020, about when we started discussing Hunter's laptop. What a coincidence. There was a more recent flurry back in March resulting from a Joe Biden speech. Hardly yesterday.

Forty two states and DC now have revenge porn laws. These laws are recent and are evolving. Twitter allowing Hunter Biden's dick pic to be published without his permission would appear to breach most versions of the law.

A few examples to show which way the wind is blowing: Delaware where Joe Biden lives, DC where he works, California where Hunter Biden apparently lives and where Twitter has its HQ.

Delaware: Posting a nude or sexually explicit photo or video of someone on the internet without their consent.

DC: Knowingly disclosing one or more sexual images of another identifiable person when:
The person depicted did not consent to the disclosure of the sexual image;
There was an agreement or understanding between the person depicted and the person disclosing that the sexual image would not be disclosed; and
The person disclosed the sexual image with the intent to harm the person depicted or to receive financial gain.

California: [/I]Distributing the images, where the victim is identifiable; With the intent to cause serious emotional distress to the victim; and
The victim actually suffered such distress.[/I]

Any responsible Twitter employee would have paused before permitting unauthorised dick pics to be published on their platform.

Red.
Herring.

You've never mentioned it until now. Neither was it mentioned in any of the Twitter released emails. So it's a huge non-issue.

So stop trying to deflect from the truth that a partisan platform actively engaged in suppression of a true story, before an election, at the behest of the Democrat party, which had a significant impact on the result.

That's the bit that everyone's interested in.

[pritch]

Red.
Herring.

You've never mentioned it until now. Neither was it mentioned in any of the Twitter released emails. So it's a huge non-issue.

So stop trying to deflect from the truth that a partisan platform actively engaged in suppression of a true story, before an election, at the behest of the Democrat party, which had a significant impact on the result.

That's the bit that everyone's interested in.

Pure fantasy. Like most of the other things you believe.

[TheDemonLord]

Pure fantasy. Like most of the other things you believe.

So, a Democrat Congressman saying that it's against the first Amendment is pure fantasy?

I mean, bold strategy, I'll give you that...

[pritch]

So, a Democrat Congressman saying that it's against the first Amendment is pure fantasy?

I mean, bold strategy, I'll give you that...

Ignoring that because it's irrelevant. Read the 1A and you'll understand. Sorry, I forgot who I'm addressing.

Seriously, I think you should seek professional help. Your grasp of reality is exceedingly tenuous.

[TheDemonLord]

Ignoring that because it's irrelevant. Read the 1A and you'll understand. Sorry, I forgot who I'm addressing.

Seriously, I think you should seek professional help. Your grasp of reality is exceedingly tenuous.

Okay...


Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

There, now everyone has read it.

If a Government Agency and Government actors use a 3rd party to abridge the freedom of speech and the freedom of the Press (The NY Post would be considered part of 'the press') - is that in the spirit of the First Amendment?

And before you go 'Huuuurrrr Durr they haven't made a law, so doesn't count' - let's look at the precedent set by Marsh vs Alabama - Congress passed no law in that case either, but the Supreme Court held that (And I quote):


the more an owner, for his advantage, opens up his property for use by the public in general, the more do his rights become circumscribed by the statutory and constitutional rights of those who use it.

This is why the lawsuit against Trump blocking people on Twitter was found to be a first amendment issue - the right to petition the Government for a redress of grievance - again, no law passed by Congress and also on a privately owned (Twitter) property, but opened for use by the public in general.

So, we have a long and well established legal principle here that the 1st Amendment applies (in certain instances) to privately owned institutions (Not just the Government institutions) and it does not require any law passed for a violation to occur.

Therefore getting a private company to do the governments dirty work is entirely against the principles of the 1st Amendment.

I knew it, The Right knew it, Elon knew it, Even Democratic Congressmen knew it.

Suffice to say, I think the insults are merely a diversionary tactic at best and outright projection at worst.

[husaberg]

Ignoring that because it's irrelevant. Read the 1A and you'll understand. Sorry, I forgot who I'm addressing.

Seriously, I think you should seek professional help. Your grasp of reality is exceedingly tenuous.

Democratic Rep. Ro Khanna the story seemed to be "a violation of the 1st Amendment principles."

so i assume old i know more than the supreme court the FBI and the NZ mental health foundation still has not yet grasped the meaning of words like seemed....
if he thinks they suit his opinion.....

"so as to give the impression of having a certain quality; apparently."
to appear to the observation or understanding
: to give the impression of being
give the impression of being something or having a particular quality
appeared to be something, especially when this is not true
to give the effect of being; to be judged to be:
to appear to be true, probable, or evident:


if someone was convinced it was they don't use the word seemed...

[R650R]

The infamous John Cardogan backs up what I said and more about the teslasemi joke


https://youtu.be/yBODCJKn6vQ

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

The infamous John Cardogan backs up what I said and more about the teslasemi joke


https://youtu.be/yBODCJKn6vQ

Yes, because according to his website he's a "verified" auto expert, he's got a stamp with verified twice, he even has his own signature under his own auto expert verification badge!

What was I thinking investing hundreds of thousands of dollars into Tesla when I could have invested it all in on this "verified" auto expert !!

https://autoexpert.com.au/

Who needs Elons self driving cars and trucks?Or rockets landing from space when we can have a self proclaimed verified auto expert!

...lol.

[TheDemonLord]

Democratic Rep. Ro Khanna the story seemed to be "a violation of the 1st Amendment principles."

so i assume old i know more than the supreme court the FBI and the NZ mental health foundation still has not yet grasped the meaning of words like seemed....
if he thinks they suit his opinion.....

if someone was convinced it was they don't use the word seemed...

It's funny, because the Supreme Court has been agreeing with me quite a lot of late... I guess I really did know more than the previous Supreme Court ;)

And the FBI have been showing their partisan nature...

And NZ Mental Health - well, have you decided if Men commit Suicide at a rate more than Women yet? Cause you seemed to be unable to understand that when your own data showed that this was the case, multiple times over. And if you can't understand the links you post, that hardly qualifies you to judge. Also, I seem to recall my point was that the Mental Health foundation was Woke and so their opinions were tainted. A quick check of their website shows the current buzzwords:


poverty, racism, colonisation, discrimination,

So yeah, I am right.

Back to the matter at hand, considering his use of the word 'Violation' which is a pretty strong and definitive word - when taken together, it's pretty clear that the rep thinks that what is going on is egregious enough that it could be an outright breach of the 1A. Even if it is not a technical breach (that is sufficient for a SCOTUS ruling, that it's close enough to the line to be improper - and it's that last bit that is key.

Even if it's not an actual breach, it's close enough to the line to be an issue - the Democrat rep knew this and so did everyone else.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Yes, because according to his website he's a "verified" auto expert, he's got a stamp with verified twice, he even has his own signature under his own auto expert verification badge!

What was I thinking investing hundreds of thousands of dollars into Tesla when I could have invested it all in on this "verified" auto expert !!

https://autoexpert.com.au/

Who needs Elons self driving cars and trucks?Or rockets landing from space when we can have a self proclaimed verified auto expert!

...lol.
Don't forget to fill the form on his link to his book

Who needs to save 10s of thousands in fuel cost by buying a Tesla when you can save a couple of thousand dollars buying a prehistoric gas guzzler!

https://autoexpert.com.au/contact

Brilliant absolutely brilliant!!

[R650R]

Not only do you’ve have less range but a 5 ton loss in payload due to weight of battery system vs a Diesel engine and fuel tanks....

Just like some Cali’ startup they are full of trump style hyperbole claims but the only things of substance are wireless charging for your phone and room to stand up and put your overalls on inside cab ���������� did they talk to any real truck drivers during RnD?

Ohhh and paging our resident sparkie please.... with regard to the infrastructure required to fast charge 700kWh into a battery in 30mins please. Apparently the average residential American housecuses 886kWh per Monthso that’s a lot of angry pixies to jam down a wire in 30mins....


https://youtu.be/o3dCDNIRM34

[TheDemonLord]

https://youtu.be/o3dCDNIRM34

Thunderf00t - now there is a name I have not heard in a while.


Good times.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Ohhh and paging our resident sparkie please.... with regard to the infrastructure required to fast charge 700kWh into a battery in 30mins please. Apparently the average residential American housecuses 886kWh per Monthso that’s a lot of angry pixies to jam down a wire in 30mins....

o]

Then enlighten me how we are going to lower or meet our green house emissions target in the next decade or so?

Perhaps you want our farming industry, you know, our biggest export, the only industry that kept us afloat during the scamdemic taxed into non existence?

We need to figure out how to build the infrastructure, solar,wind ,etc to move to sustainable energy in EVs, not pretend hydrogen or whatever ones that haven't been invited yet, because there are now 8 million EVs world wide, tell anyone that 5 years ago they would have laughed.

Tesla will save our farming industry,our economy and our status as a first world developed country.

I always think we'll outside the square, I don't get my power dopamine hits from knocking people trying to make a difference in this world.

[R650R]

Well it seems high capacity fast charging is feasible but with high voltage battery packs. The numbers are crazy though, I don’t think truck drivers should be trusted with this kinda electricity. It’s got back to the future clock tower written all over it

https://www.batterypowertips.com/how-fast-can-li-on-batteries-be-charged/


In the U.S., SAE J1772 recognizes three charging levels:

Level 1 uses 120 Vac input and is limited to about 1.9 kW, powering an onboard EV charger.
Level 2 is called “fast AC charging” and uses 208/240 Vac single-phase power to supply up to about 19 kW with a 240 VAC source. It charges up to seven times faster than Level 1.
Level 3 is DC fast charging and uses an external charger to deliver 240 kW using 600 Vdc and 400 A. Advanced designs can deliver 500 kW using 1,000 Vdc and 500 A.

Level 3 is still 50% short on EJ’s 70% capacity inn30 mins

[mashman]

Switzerland is seriously considering banning electric cars (https://supercarblondie.com/ev/switzerland-ev-ban-electric-cars-energy-crisis/)... lollies.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Switzerland is seriously considering banning electric cars (https://supercarblondie.com/ev/switzerland-ev-ban-electric-cars-energy-crisis/)... lollies.

Did you actually read the article?

Or just the headline?

"Having said that, Switzerland would not opt for a blanket EV ban."

"Instead, under the new bill, electric car owners could use their cars for ‘essential’ trips only.".

There's a war in Europe, In WW2 they didn't ban people from eating, they were placed on food rationing


Seriously guys, what forum have I joined here?

There are some very intelligent bikers here and some it seems there education ended about year 8.

[husaberg]

Did you actually read the article?

Or just the headline?



So much for your claims you don't read mainstream media then.......
They are just like the rest of your claims troll fodder made by a sad lonely childish egg.

[Berries]

Seriously guys, what forum have I joined here?
A motorbike one, not an Elon Musk love in forum.




There are some very intelligent bikers here and some it seems there education ended about year 8.
That will be 'their' education ended about year 8.

Just before they learnt about grammar and spelling by the look of it.

[mashman]

Did you actually read the article?

Or just the headline?

"Having said that, Switzerland would not opt for a blanket EV ban."

"Instead, under the new bill, electric car owners could use their cars for ‘essential’ trips only.".

There's a war in Europe, In WW2 they didn't ban people from eating, they were placed on food rationing

I did read the article.

Did you just decide to make up an entire context for what my position is from typing the word "lollies"?


Seriously guys, what forum have I joined here?

There are some very intelligent bikers here and some it seems there education ended about year 8.

Trust me, your in the rite plaice with such sterling powers of observation.

[1/32 man]

Why did I read the last two pages of this thread? eeeeerrrrgggghhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaahhhhhheeee

I guess it helped me consume my toast and marmalade.



Oh and did somene mention spelling and grammar being related to education?
I guess they mean what happens to your brain by attending a school...edumacation init?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Here's some interesting fun facts for you Tesla haters

Since NZ gets it's Teslas from China

Cheeina has been in covaids restrictions and lockdowns on and off all 2022 and there economy is mud

November was the worst month for annualized China auto sales in the last 9 years, but Tesla had its best 2nd month in a quarter EVER in Cheeina!!.

Tesla delivered 62,493 vehicles in China in Nov, while 37,798 vehicles were exported. This is 89.73% more than Nov 2021 wtf?!!

So "their!":gob:

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Biden + Arden= left wing politicians..nuff said.
https://youtu.be/dTX-e2ck6Tk

[mashman]

fanboy coz it makes him money

You could have gone with something like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Transport_Administration_electric_road_pro gram ... or various other solutions that are slated for trial/implementation instead of squealing like a baby. Yes, you get money for doing nothing. Well done. You are a winner of the race in life.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

. Yes, you get money for doing nothing. Well done. You are a winner of the race in life.

Thank you

But I have no need for accolades and praise from others

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I did read the article.

Did you just decide to make up an entire context for what my position is from typing the word "lollies"?



Trust me, your in the rite plaice with such sterling powers of observation.

Then truly my sincere apologies, your one line "lollies" was interpreted as just that to me

I try to post clearly so others have no doubt where I stand

Once again, sorry for my unflattering reply post.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

A motorbike one, not an Elon Musk love in forum.




That will be 'their' education ended about year 8.

Just before they learnt about grammar and spelling by the look of it.

My first interactions after joining this forum this year and asking very serious but novice biker's questions, you immediately attacked me, so I have no time or interest in yourself or your very attractive girlfriends Husenbergs replies.

(Note to Hussenberg , you need to change your avatar symbol to female, thanks)

[mashman]

Then truly my sincere apologies, your one line "lollies" was interpreted as just that to me

I try to post clearly so others have no doubt where I stand

Once again, sorry for my unflattering reply post.

The issue has been highlighted for some time as a known likely problem. In our infancy, we're already slamming into what could well become brick walls. Temporary or not, lollies. Sure there's more to it than that little soundbite, but the problems exist given the infrastructure demand required doesn't, or WILL find it hard to keep up at times. Hence lollies along the lines or, we're babies playing with the future of a finite planet by using a methodology of development that requires lots of waste to solve a problem, whilst at the same time creating more problems that we need more money and more resources to deal with, with success being measured in $ instead of likelihood that this is actually a good move at this point in time... but hey, free market rulez. Finite planets do not apply... nor does development and implementation for purpose, only for profit.

[mashman]

Thank you

But I have no need for accolades and praise from others

Why not? You've literally earned it.

Top tip. Some might come after you in the real world. That these sorts of things directly impact on those close to you is a bonus. Jus' sayin'.

[sugilite]

A Congressman, against his own self-declared interests, says "this seems a violation of First Amendment Principles"

And you think it has zero relevance to the first Amendment.
One dem says it appears to be a violation of the first amendment, and you yourself say it appears against the spirit of it like you give a shit about the constitution. But over on the Trump thread, you passionately defend Trump wanting ro trash it :laugh:
Duly noted for the future :bleh:

[Berries]

My first interactions after joining this forum this year and asking very serious but novice biker's questions, you immediately attacked me, so I have no time or interest in yourself
Ask stupid questions, get stupid answers.

Wank on about how great you are and you will get abusive comments.

KB 101.

[pritch]

Reports today that the people at Tesla are concerned about Musk being a dick at Twitter. They want him back in the office.
All things considered they are probably better off with him deployng his "talents" elsewhere.

[Berries]

Reports today that the people at Tesla are concerned about Musk being a dick at Twitter. They want him back in the office.
All things considered they are probably better off with him deployng his "talents" elsewhere.
Don't poke him.

[husaberg]

Reports today that the people at Tesla are concerned about Musk being a dick at Twitter. They want him back in the office.
All things considered they are probably better off with him deployng his "talents" elsewhere.


Musk tweeted Thursday. “Tesla Team has done incredibly well, despite extremely difficult times"
Yet Leo KoGuan, one of Tesla’s largest individual shareholders says "Tesla board is missing in action,”

The tesla stock has plunged 51% this year. losing more than $500 billion in market value
Bloomberg reported earlier this week that Tesla planned to cut production on the Model Y and Model 3 production lines in Shanghai by about 20%.

[1/32 man]

Tesla could improve their design team....have you seen some of those porky roundy ones?
Reminds me of the Austin A35 or the bigger versions.....the Hereford or something.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Musk tweeted Thursday. “Tesla Team has done incredibly well, despite extremely difficult times"
Yet Leo KoGuan, one of Tesla’s largest individual shareholders says "Tesla board is missing in action,”

The tesla stock has plunged 51% this year. losing more than $500 billion in market value
Bloomberg reported earlier this week that Tesla planned to cut production on the Model Y and Model 3 production lines in Shanghai by about 20%.

I'm not concerned at all $

https://twitter.com/KoguanLeo/status/1601103146645737472?t=7jmrGm1AG51BDriHhzm57g&s=19

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Interesting read

This extract is, well informative to say the least..


Psychologist Bernard Golden, author of Overcoming Destructive Anger: Strategies That Work, believes that when hate involves participation in a group, it may help foster a sense of connection and camaraderie that fills a void in one’s identity. He describes hatred of individuals (in this case hatred of Elon Musk)or groups as a way of distracting oneself from the more challenging and anxiety-provoking task of creating one’s own identity:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/nz/blog/nurturing-self-compassion/201703/the-psychology-hate#:~:text=It%20fills%20a%20void&text=%22Acts%20of%20hate%20are%20attempts,aggressi on%20toward%20individuals%20or%20groups.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Interesting read

This extract is, well informative to say the least..


Psychologist Bernard Golden, author of Overcoming Destructive Anger: Strategies That Work, believes that when hate involves participation in a group, it may help foster a sense of connection and camaraderie that fills a void in one’s identity. He describes hatred of individuals (in this case hatred of Elon Musk)or groups as a way of distracting oneself from the more challenging and anxiety-provoking task of creating one’s own identity:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/nz/blog/nurturing-self-compassion/201703/the-psychology-hate#:~:text=It%20fills%20a%20void&text=%22Acts%20of%20hate%20are%20attempts,aggressi on%20toward%20individuals%20or%20groups.

Behavioral researcher Patrick Wanis, cites the in-group out-group theory, which posits that when we feel threatened by perceived outsiders, we instinctively turn toward our in-group—those with whom we identify—as a survival mechanism. Wanis explains, “Hatred is driven by two key emotions of love and aggression: One love for the in-group—the group that is favored; and two, aggression for the out-group—the group that has been deemed as being different, dangerous, and a threat to the in-group.”

I'm not saying the commentary on KB hate Elon Musk, but like other social media platforms Twitter included, there seems to be a pack mentality of hate towards Musk

[husaberg]

Behavioral researcher Patrick Wanis, cites the in-group out-group theory, which posits that when we feel threatened by perceived outsiders, we instinctively turn toward our in-group—those with whom we identify—as a survival mechanism. Wanis explains, “Hatred is driven by two key emotions of love and aggression: One love for the in-group—the group that is favored; and two, aggression for the out-group—the group that has been deemed as being different, dangerous, and a threat to the in-group.”

I'm not saying the commentary on KB hate Elon Musk, but like other social media platforms Twitter included, there seems to be a pack mentality of hate towards Musk
what else are you not saying...

When one is intimated by anothers intelligence, they resort to the "he must be a troll!!" to make up for the lack of intelligence.
Hope this helps.


You have me all wrong, you don't realise I have increased the I.Q of this forum since joining it .
t.



Unfortunately I was instantly attacked and called a troll for asking dumb newbie questions,


Now my superior intellect is starting to make you act and pretend to be like me, a standard reaction in the animal kingdom, similar to a submissive puppy dog yearning for its masters attention.
Good boy, well done.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

what else are you not saying...

How do you find the time to track down my historical posts?, I'm flattered

Great posts, thanks for the memories!

[pritch]

Interesting read

This extract is, well informative to say the least..


Psychologist Bernard Golden, author of Overcoming Destructive Anger: Strategies That Work, believes that when hate involves participation in a group, it may help foster a sense of connection and camaraderie that fills a void in one’s identity. He describes hatred of individuals (in this case hatred of Elon Musk)or groups as a way of distracting oneself from the more challenging and anxiety-provoking task of creating one’s own identity:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/nz/blog/nurturing-self-compassion/201703/the-psychology-hate#:~:text=It%20fills%20a%20void&text=%22Acts%20of%20hate%20are%20attempts,aggressi on%20toward%20individuals%20or%20groups.

Nah. You're overlooking the possibility that Musk is just a twat.

[husaberg]

How do you find the time to track down my historical posts?, I'm flattered

Well i can see why you would think it takes a long time to multiquote off a simple search function a few posts.
Of course its not to do with the time taken to do the post, its simple a reflection of the long time it takes the clearly sub par electric signals to be generated from he ailing neurons in that troll noggin of yours.

This other lie of yours hasn't aged well either

I have made a substantial return on my capital since 2019.
It was painful that year of 2019 and did feel like a fool when Elon was smoking weed, and the company was bleeding money,
Now Tesla has free cash flow in the billions, and projected to have 10s of billions in free cash flow in the coming years, with a stock buy back on the cards because of too much money.
I currently have had a return of over %1000 .
So who's foolish now?

The tesla stock has plunged 51% this year. losing more than $500 billion in market value.
Elon Musk has lost $100 billion in net worth this year alone as Tesla’s stock plunges.
Tesla's new factories in Germany and the US are "losing billions of dollars" due to battery shortages and supply disruptions in China "Elon Musk"
How about you double down on this.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Well i can see why you would think it takes a long time to multiquote off a simple search function a few posts.
Of course its not to do with the time taken to do the post, its simple a reflection of the long time it takes the clearly sub par electric signals to be generated from he ailing neurons in that troll noggin of yours.

This other lie of yours hasn't aged well either


The tesla stock has plunged 51% this year. losing more than $500 billion in market value.
Elon Musk has lost $100 billion in net worth this year alone as Tesla’s stock plunges.
Tesla's new factories in Germany and the US are "losing billions of dollars" due to battery shortages and supply disruptions in China "Elon Musk"
How bout you double down on this.
If I'm up~ 1000% since pre 2019 and the stock price falls 50% from 1year ago it means I'm only up 950% since my first initial investment.

Oh dear, How sad, never mind, that's like saying, I wish I didn't buy my house for 350k 20 years ago because it's now worth only 2million and down from its high of 3million.

And I believe your wrong about Elon Musks networth he's down about 394million and now the second richest man on earth and worth only 185billion .. oh how sad

Seriously, do you think Musk or I care we have lost a smaller portion of our total net worth?ask me how I'm doing in 2030

Sister please...cut a brother some slack.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Come with me my brother's and sister Husenberg, join the caravan of love, it is no time to hate!
https://youtu.be/fSrRdOMpOn0, it's Christmas!

[mashman]

China to use Shanghai exchange for yuan energy deals with Gulf nations - Xi (https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/chinas-xi-tells-gulf-nations-use-shanghai-exchange-yuan-energy-deals-2022-12-09/)... oh what a surprise eh.

[husaberg]

If I'm up~ 1000% since pre 2019 and the stock price falls 50% from 1year ago it means I'm only up 950% since my first initial investment.

Oh dear, How sad, never mind, that's like saying, I wish I didn't buy my house for 350k 20 years ago because it's now worth only 2million and down from its high of 3million.
.

There we have yokel math.
The only person previous on KB that had such shithouse math previously was yokel.
he shared a great number of other atributes with you also
assuming you werent talking total crap about your tesla shares (which of course we all know you are)
if you invested 1 dollar and made a 1000% return that would be 1000 dollars
But if the share price fell by 50% (which it clearly has) you would have only $500
this would be a 500% return
the issue is i sincerely doubt you own shares from the initial float as all your other claims have proven to be untrue thus far.
based on the share price today they have only now achieved the 1000% from that initial float.

hint every time musk talks about taking the company private it a ruse to increase the share price he's been personally fined for doing it previously
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/oct/28/elon-musk-says-40m-tweet-tesla-was-worth-it-fines
Tesla has never made a full year profit its value is based on hype


The SEC in September charged Musk, 47, with misleading investors with tweets in August that said he was considering taking Tesla private at $420 a share and had “funding secured”. The tweets had no basis in fact, and the ensuing market chaos hurt investors, regulators claimed.

Tesla and Musk have agreed to pay $20m each to financial regulators and, under a settlement, the billionaire will step down as the company’s chairman but remain as chief executive.
he's got a little smarter now just hinting they might look at it.

Musk also said Tesla expected to remain profitable in the next quarter and for “all quarters going forward”
We all know that's crap.

Previously most of the money tesla makes in in Govt emission credits, these credits are stopping soon.
telsa biggest customer the source of most of its revenue now no longer buys them from tesla.


Fiat Chrysler has been Tesla's largest carbon trading customer for the past three years. From 2019 to 2021, Fiat Chrysler spent US$2.4 billion (around NT$66.8 billion) on buying carbon credits from Tesla. In other words, Fiat Chrysler has accounted for nearly all of Tesla's recent revenue from carbon trading.

In 2021, the shareholders approved the merge of the two major automakers, Fiat Chrysler and Peugeot Citroen. They will use Peugeot Citroen's EV technology to meet the requirements of the EU carbon emissions regulations and will no longer need to buy additional carbon credits.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Hussenberg

I didn't buy Tesla shares in the initial float ~$1.30 per share

I joined the party a little later

I'm up ~1000%

If I invested like Elon Musk in the initial float, I would be up over 13,000% or $178 per share as of market close today and most likely the wealthiest man in New Zealand... which thankfully I am not, because of all the hate towards wealth in NZ.

[R650R]

John rains even more facts and maths down on the Tesla


https://youtu.be/b-TUfTwWdHM

[Berries]

If I invested like Elon Musk in the initial float, I would be up over 13,000% or $178 per share as of market close today and most likely the wealthiest man in New Zealand... which thankfully I am not, because of all the hate towards wealth in NZ.
Hate towards wealth? I don't see that. Perhaps it is just that wealth seems to be your prime focus, that is the impression one could get from the fact you keep banging on about it. Perhaps hate is directed towards the people who brag about it, rather than those who just get on with life and keep things like that to themselves?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Hate towards wealth? I don't see that. Perhaps it is just that wealth seems to be your prime focus, that is the impression one could get from the fact you keep banging on about it. Perhaps hate is directed towards the people who brag about it, rather than those who just get on with life and keep things like that to themselves?

It is what it is..
https://youtu.be/T9Op2YQ7yyU

[husaberg]

It is what it is..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjuHgYCxoKY
most honest thing you ever posted....

[husaberg]

Hussenberg

I didn't buy Tesla shares in the initial float ~$1.30 per share

I joined the party a little later
.


only the initial float of tesla stock was at
At $17US a share i call bullshit.
surprise surprise...

[TheDemonLord]

Perhaps hate is directed towards the people who brag about it, rather than those who just get on with life and keep things like that to themselves?

One could say the same for the people that hate those that brag. That they too should get on with life and keep things like that to themselves?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

only the initial float of tesla stock was at
At $17US a share i call bullshit.
surprise surprise...

TESLA stock has been split twice

Once in 2020 divided by 5

And in 2022 divided by 3

= $17to ~$1.30 per share in the float.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

TESLA stock has been split twice

Once in 2020 divided by 5

And in 2022 divided by 3

= $17to ~$1.30 per share in the float.

Hussenberg

Please stop now, your not just embarrassing yourself, your beginning to embarrass me.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Whispers coming out of Texas, of a single piece mega casting Cyber truck stamp, if this is true margins on each Cyber truck sold would be 40 to 50%

With the world economy looking at a global recession 2023, I would not be surprised if Tesla cut prices on Cyber truck with 40 to 50% margins to spare( anyone who owns a business knows that's a huge profit) to continue there explosive growth of 50% year over year

Smart chap that Mr Musk is!

[husaberg]

TESLA stock has been split twice

Once in 2020 divided by 5

And in 2022 divided by 3

= $17to ~$1.30 per share in the float.


Hussenberg

Please stop now, your not just embarrassing yourself, your beginning to embarrass me.

Exactly How many lies have you been caught in this week...


I have made a substantial return on my capital since 2019.

It was painful that year of 2019 and did feel like a fool when Elon was smoking weed, and the company was bleeding money,
Now Tesla has free cash flow in the billions, and projected to have 10s of billions in free cash flow in the coming years, with a stock buy back on the cards because of too much money.

I currently have had a return of over %1000 .
So who's foolish now?

only since you posted this the real share value has fallen 30%.....
if you keep track of your lies they wouldn't keep stacking up on you troll.
a share float is not a split......


The release from Tesla specifically stated:

“Since our stock split in August 2020 to June 6, 2022, our stock price has risen 43.5%


Hussenberg

I didn't buy Tesla shares in the initial float ~$1.30 per share

I joined the party a little later

I'm up ~1000%

If I invested like Elon Musk in the initial float, I would be up over 13,000% or $178 per share as of market close today and most likely the wealthiest man in New Zealand... which thankfully I am not, because of all the hate towards wealth in NZ.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

What?

Husenberg, your saying your not my friend?

My first progressive left transgender friend !?

I thought we were just getting to know each other?

That hurt me sister...I'm gutted, just devastated goodbye.

[Berries]

One could say the same for the people that hate those that brag. That they too should get on with life and keep things like that to themselves?
Same same.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Well then, I'm not one for mainstream media headlines, but I couldn't let this one slide all you Tesla haters!

Tesla Model Y's surge to be New Zealand's most popular new car

"1502 were sold in September, and 1099 were sold in November, making the Model Y easily the most popular of passenger vehicles being sold."

Yusssss I'm rich bitches!!

In your face!! USA! USA! USA!!


https://www.interest.co.nz/business/118829/kiwi-buyers-turn-their-backs-internal-combustions-engines-increasingly-favouring

[Berries]

One could say the same for the people that hate those that brag. That they too should get on with life and keep things like that to themselves?
See what I mean?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Well then, I'm not one for mainstream media headlines, but I couldn't let this one slide all you Tesla haters!

Tesla Model Y's surge to be New Zealand's most popular new car

"1502 were sold in September, and 1099 were sold in November, making the Model Y easily the most popular of passenger vehicles being sold."

Yusssss I'm rich bitches!!

In your face!! USA! USA! USA!!


https://www.interest.co.nz/business/118829/kiwi-buyers-turn-their-backs-internal-combustions-engines-increasingly-favouring

God bless Elon Musk and God ble$$ capitalist America!
https://youtu.be/o3OK_1QyAgM

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

See what I mean?

If it makes you feel better, when the self driving Tesla robotaxis start flooding our roads and you need a cheap ride home from the pub, you'll be paying me a small commission to use it

Seems like a win win situation for everyone involved!

[husaberg]

Well then, I'm not one for mainstream media headlines, but I couldn't let this one slide all you Tesla haters!

Tesla Model Y's surge to be New Zealand's most popular new car

"1502 were sold in September, and 1099 were sold in November, making the Model Y easily the most popular of passenger vehicles being sold."

Yusssss I'm rich bitches!!

In your face!! USA! USA! USA!!


https://www.interest.co.nz/business/118829/kiwi-buyers-turn-their-backs-internal-combustions-engines-increasingly-favouring

NZ'S TOP 10 NEW VEHICLES FOR 2022
Toyota Hilux (7139)
Ford Ranger (7450)
Mitsubishi Outlander (7139)
Mitsubishi Triton (5316)
Toyota RAV4 (4282)
Suzuki Swift (2722)
Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross (2705)
Kia Sportage (2437)
Mitsubishi ASX (2381)
MG ZS (2303)

Teslas did sell well in NOV as they were back ordered and the shipment arrived late......;)

attribute the high September numbers to pent up demand (perhaps 3 months’ worth of backorders and 2 years’ worth of demand).


They never featured in the TOP ten for yearly sales.
Toyota i know cant supply us with as many hilux's as we want.
They will have Hilux hybrid in 2-3 years.
We already run a fleet of Ravs in hybrid form


New Zealand government has subsidized the purchase of new electric cars and plug-in hybrids with up to 8,625 New Zealand dollars. The programme is financed by introducing new levies on vehicles with high emissions, making it a bonus-malus scheme. According to the Guardian, this will make an imported Toyota Hilux — one of New Zealand’s most popular off-road vehicles — 2,900 New Zealand dollars more expensive.”
If National stops this guess what happens.....

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Husenberg

All I read of your post is the Tesla model Y is the number 1 selling vehicle in New Zealand today not last year, not last decade, today!

And that's all that real matters

Now leave me to bathe in the warm glow of Tesla's success.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

If National stops this guess what happens.....

If National get in they will cut subsided funding for your female hormone replacement therapy

That should be your biggest concern.

[R650R]

Well then, I'm not one for mainstream media headlines, but I couldn't let this one slide all you Tesla haters!

Tesla Model Y's surge to be New Zealand's most popular new car

"1502 were sold in September, and 1099 were sold in November, making the Model Y easily the most popular of passenger vehicles being sold."

Yusssss I'm rich bitches!!

In your face!! USA! USA! USA!!


https://www.interest.co.nz/business/118829/kiwi-buyers-turn-their-backs-internal-combustions-engines-increasingly-favouring

We’ve been talking about how thectruck just isn’t economically viable from a payload efficiency/ infrastructure cost/running time perspective.
If you live somewhere like Auckland the car prob makes sense if your property is condusive towards installing the charging infrastrure.
Outside of woke virtue signalling corporations most trucking operators will find the Tesla semi economically unviable. We pay significant weight based road tax, with the Tesla there’s 5 ton less payload to offset that tax...

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

R650R, I'm not a trucking industry expert or have little to no knowledge on the industry but as a business owner myself

Wouldn't the tax write off on the purchase of the Tesla semi, tax depreciation on new plant machinery, greenhouse emissions tax credits if any and hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions over a decade plus saved on fuel cost far outweigh your guys cost concern as stated above?

Note: I didn't Google this post, just thoughts from myself.

[R650R]

R650R, I'm not a trucking industry expert or have little to no knowledge on the industry but as a business owner myself

Wouldn't the tax write off on the purchase of the Tesla semi, tax depreciation on new plant machinery, greenhouse emissions tax credits if any and hundreds of thousands of dollars saved on fuel cost far outweigh your guys cost concern as stated above?

Note: I didn't Google this post, just thoughts from myself.

You already get those accounting tricks on diesel trucks. With the cost of finance you donÂ’t buy new gear until the business NEEDS new gear. Some companies are fortunate with established customers and finance base that they can buy new trucks every 3-5 years which helps massively with driver recruitment and retention, others always on breadline of collapse.

Electricity isnÂ’t free, neither is installing and maintaining charging infrastructure onsite. Also the space consideration of tractor unit being in a specific spot to be unloaded/reloaded without forklifts running over charging cables etc.
IÂ’d like part of where I am now to be electric forklifts 100% (proven technology and they work great) but we just donÂ’t have the space for charging location or battery swap. We are maxed out yet canÂ’t justify cost to move to new/bigger premises. Many other NZ businesses face this challenge also, part of their success/efficiency is location specific.

Trucks make money moving stuff from one place to another. Anything that interferes or restricts when a truck can move is money through the floorboards. It doesnÂ’t matter if itÂ’s congestion, police checkpoints or being in workshop itÂ’s all lost revenue.

John breaks down the stats even better in the second vid of how many EXTRA trucks youÂ’d have to buy to cover the decrease in efficiency. Eg a 40 truck fleet would have to go to 46. ThatÂ’s a massive cost for even and already successful established business to swallow.

YouÂ’ll note a variety of trucks in NZ roads. Starting with your bare cab and chassis base thereÂ’s probably at most a two tonnes weight difference between a bare bones American/jap daycab compared to a full high rise sleeper cab euro Volvo or Scania. That two tonnes payload difference on every trip is make or break for many businesses. No one can sustain a 4-5 tonne extra loss on every trip.

[R650R]

Elon goes on about reliability but he lacks experience of the major truck manufacturers. It’s rarely the Diesel engine itself that fails. It’s all the ancillary equipment; air compressor for brakes, airlines/electrical lines, everything is subject to road vibrations and the constant chassis twisting over all big bumps in road.
Trucks get better each year as manufacturers learn from their prior mistakes, Elon doesn’t have that intel. I can guarantee you’ll never see a Tesla on the Tanami track in outback truckers...

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Thanks R650R

I think Tesla is slowly ramping to 50,000 by 2024 so we are unlikely to see them here for several years.

I don't add too much on the company valuations and revenue for the Tesla semi for the next financial year anyway

Ask a serious question get a serious answer.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Thanks R650R

I think Tesla is slowly ramping to 50,000 by 2024 so we are unlikely to see them here for several years.

I don't add too much on the company valuations and revenue for the Tesla semi for the next financial year anyway

Ask a serious question get a serious answer.

Although NZ/OZ would see some here soon The majority of these would go to the North American market, so I would presume Tesla would need to build another Asian Pacific Giga factory (South Korea, Indonesia etc)to supply the Australia/NZ Asia Pacific market so it could be more later this decade.

[husaberg]

R650R, I'm not a trucking industry expert or have little to no knowledge on the industry but as a business owner myself

.

You are not even an expert on what you claim to be.
remember how you said tesla vision never used cameras.


Husenberg

All I read of your post is the Tesla model Y is the number 1 selling vehicle in New Zealand today not last year, not last decade, today!


if that is all that mater to you the largest selling in vehicle in NZ today is the toyota hilux folowed by the Ford ranger.
Tesla is not even in the top ten

Toyota Hilux (7139)
Ford Ranger (7450)
Mitsubishi Outlander (7139)
Mitsubishi Triton (5316)
Toyota RAV4 (4282)
Suzuki Swift (2722)
Mitsubishi Eclipse Cross (2705)
Kia Sportage (2437)
Mitsubishi ASX (2381)
MG ZS (2303)

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Your not even an expert on what you claim to be.
remember how you said tesla vision never used cameras.

Or perhaps

I'm the most qualified biker on this thread to comment on Tesla because I have a large portion of my networth invested in the company, so it pays to understand as much factual information before investing in a company

R650R has a vast understanding of the transportation industry which qualifies him to comment on his industry

Hesheberg has a vast experience on motorcycles which is his strength and knowledge

Not Tesla or by Googling Tesla mainstream media news articles.

Unless your a modern day genius like Elon Musk

For me it's far better to know alot about a little than a little about alot.

Hence you become an expert in your field.

[husaberg]

Or perhaps

I'm the most qualified biker on this thread to comment on Tesla d.

Assuming you have pet you are likely not even the most qualified in the room.
lets get back to your claims on being a tesla expert
you said Teslas teslavison doesn't use camera
i put to you it very clearly does ,telsa says this
how is it you claim to know more than tesla does?


I know everything available to me or the general public,

You mean like the cameras you claimed were not part of tesla vision....
How is it you got that wrong being a self styled tesla expert?
it seems almost impossible given you claim to be a tesla expert and have access to specialist information to get such a simple part so completely and utterly wrong


Teslas don't use cameras, they use a new technology in a micro chip called Dojo.
.


From tesla themselves
https://www.tesla.com/en_NZ/autopilot/3

Transitioning to Tesla Vision
We are continuing the transition to Tesla Vision, our camera-based Autopilot system. Model 3 and Model Y vehicles built from June 2022 for the New Zealand market now utilise our camera-based Tesla Vision, which relies on Tesla’s advanced suite of cameras and neural net processing to deliver Autopilot and related features.
Tesla's AI self-driving feature is made of neural networks which are trained on millions of video data so it can become better (remember the more data, the better the AI), and these millions of video data easily become big data and so using GPUs would be inefficient and distributed computing would be great but to train AI on data as big as millions of data videos which are updated daily you'd need a lot of computers as essentially distributed computing is just sharing processing work between a lot of computers and so tesla decided that building a supercomputer would be more efficient both tech-wise and cost-wise and so the Dojo supercomputer was born
The Dojo is a supercomputer built by tesla to train its AI deep neural networks and Machine Learning algorithms.
it goes smoothly the self-driving AI is taking note of its surroundings using an inbuilt camera and sending that video back to Tesla's servers so that data can be used to train it more and in so that way the more people who use the self-driving AI, the more it gets better.
Now back to the Dojo, in theory, when the video data gotten from the car is sent back to Tesla's servers, the Dojo supercomputer then gets hold of that data and uses it to train the neural network which powers the Tesla self-driving AI.

[1/32 man]

Even if I could afford to buy a Tesla I would not purchase one....why? because Musk is a tool.
He portrays himself as some saviour to the human race...He falls into a similar category as trump for me.

[R650R]

Even if I could afford to buy a Tesla I would not purchase one....why? because Musk is a tool.
He portrays himself as some saviour to the human race...He falls into a similar category as trump for me.

Am I the only one that thinks it’s odd coincidence that Hollywood brings out a movie (Ironman) where’s the lead star looks like musk and is a techno genius saving the world from evil (which today is supposedly to be climate change)????
Could Musk just be a frontman for others inventions? Is he just a salesman for the new technocratic dictatorship coming?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Even if I could afford to buy a Tesla I would not purchase one....why? because Musk is a tool.
He portrays himself as some saviour to the human race...He falls into a similar category as trump for me.

"Musk is a tool " so you I don't like him.

This simple line tells me everything I need to know what type of an individual you are.

[R650R]

Or perhaps

I'm the most qualified biker on this thread to comment on Tesla because I have a large portion of my networth invested in the company, so it pays to understand as much factual information before investing in a company

R650R has a vast understanding of the transportation industry which qualifies him to comment on his industry

d.

Im no expert, just industry experience and a basic understanding of what drives business decisions, clue it’s mostly $$$$$ outside of govt regulatory intervention.
Pop quiz it’s refuel/recharge time....
I’ve just done 430km loaded to 48,000kg and done several deliveries.
Do I want to spend 6 mins pumping 280L diesel (100% capacity) ready to rock again.... or do I want to park in a special location for 30mins to recharge to 70% capacity...???

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Am I the only one that thinks it’s odd coincidence that Hollywood brings out a movie (Ironman) where’s the lead star looks like musk and is a techno genius saving the world from evil (which today is supposedly to be climate change)????


I'm definitely a fan of Iron man, an arrogant billionaire playboy.

Not a woke Taika Waiti that wore a dress and feminised Thor.
https://youtu.be/nfiRd4Y5z_g

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Do I want to spend 6 mins pumping 280L diesel (100% capacity) ready to rock again.... or do I want to park in a special location for 30mins to recharge to 70% capacity...???

This might seem like a dumb question, so I'm already prepared for the hate

But wouldn't you charge either fully overnight or during your lunch /Toilet break?

[R650R]

This might seem like a dumb question, so I'm already prepared for the hate

But wouldn't you charge either fully overnight or during your lunch /Toilet break?

Already covered off earlier.... for likes of amazon only going between your own major depots that works. However NZ operators are smaller and you need to maximise backloading. That means calling into random locations as the work becomes available.

You can’t guarantee conveniently be at location x at time r.

A lot of NZ freight moves overnight (nz consumers are spoilt by this level of service). During the day a lot of those trucks will do piecemeal work trunking loads back to yard to be consolidated for next nights journeys. Some companies even fully double shift trucks.

Again though it’s the availability of the charging infrastructure. Elon’s biggest battery the 900kw jobbie actually needs a 1.4Mw supply point due to the techno vagaries of losses during charging etc. 1.4Mw is the same demand as 4000 suburban houses. The plug and cable is going to need to be very close to mini substation/transformer to minimises losses and this will want to be close to roadway/ main supply for same reasons. Hell installing that might cost even more than the truck!

Remember that demand is just for one truck so across a whole city those sudden big demands just might create merry Hell with the grid...

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I'm not worried about the infrastructure because we don't even have the semi truck yet, so I'm presuming building the infrastructure would happen before the first Tesla semis start arriving on our shore, Tesla has already started lobbying The Canadian government to start on infrastructure, that would be a combination of private and government investment.

So an 800km charge, how much driving is a driver aloud to do legally by law?, and in a double shift with an alternative driver, would the truck not be able to recharge for an hour or so before it leaves perhaps for another 12 hour lag?

It gets to 100kmph in 20seconds fully loaded, so it should be much faster than a traditional diesel trucks in arriving to it's destination, this must be more valuable to the driver's health and mental health as well as company profits on his/her productivity

There's so many variables, but Tesla and Pepsi are the first test models on how this will work (or not) I look forward to seeing how it works out over the coming year.

All I ask is wait and see before you already decide on the final outcome.

Thanks for the insight!

[R650R]

I'm not worried about the infrastructure because we don't even have the semi truck yet, so I'm presuming building the infrastructure would happen before the first Tesla semis start arriving on our shore, Tesla has already started lobbying The Canadian government to start on infrastructure, that would be a combination of private and government investment.

So an 800km charge, how much driving is a driver aloud to do legally by law?, and in a double shift with an alternative driver, would the truck not be able to recharge for an hour or so before it leaves perhaps for another 12 hour lag?

It gets to 100kmph in 20seconds fully loaded, so it should be much faster than a traditional diesel trucks in arriving to it's destination, this must be more valuable to the driver's health and mental health as well as company profits on his/her productivity

There's so many variables, but Tesla and Pepsi are the first test models on how this will work (or not) I look forward to seeing how it works out over the coming year.

All I ask is wait and see before you already decide on the final outcome.

Thanks for the insight!

Worktime and driving are one and the same now in NZ. The fastest average speed a truck can legally maintain is in ballpark of 81km/h accounting for max speed of 90k and slowing down briefly for small town speed limits. So 13 x 81 is your answer.

Cost of infrastructure does matter! YOU as a consumer or taxpayer WILL pay for this extra expense and REDUCED payload efficiency.

Fast acceleration is a luxury that doesnÂ’t really matter. A good truck driver knows that a decent average speed is attained by keeping a unit moving. Stopping for any reason is what kills trip times.
The benchmark these days is 600HP for a diesel line haul truck. At night on emptying roads that will do a hilly NZ route about 15mins faster than say a 400Hp truck for a small penalty of 30-50Litres more of extra diesel used. During daytime with congestion it doesnÂ’t really matter.
TeslaÂ’s sensationalism over thectruck passing another on hill is pure marketing hype that real operators are not concerned with.

I note he has not mentioned regen braking, that is what would take it to another level. Perhaps the battery canÂ’t take the heat after just maxcing out on pervious climb. Even electric skateboards use this technology. Other inventors are looking at this on trucks but high voltage capacitors are the only thing that can handle it at moment.

More and more Tesla seems like a one trick pony, he might be the first to do something but mostly not the best. I donÂ’t see any cybertrucks on forestry road s yet....

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

^^I can't argue with most of your post, because I don't have knowledge of the matter.

Unfortunately you spoilt it by the last paragraph stating "Tesla is a one trick pony", and "Tesla doesn't do it best ."

This is just wrong, and this is what catches those who don't understand Teslas mission.

Tesla has created the best EVs and the model Y will most likely pass the humble Toyota Corolla as the most purchased new car in the world 2023, no one else is close on technology, price and margins on each vehicle sold.(by all means buy a cheaper Chinese ev if you want)

Tesla in the first 9 months of this year spent 2.2 billion on research and development across there products, Since the Semi truck was unveiled 5 years ago they would have spent in excess of a billion dollars on research and development on the Tesla Semi truck.

So whatever YouTube experts or smoko room concerns of the Tesla semi has , they would have been analysed, taken apart many times over, by some of the best engineers in the world working for Tesla.

The same engineers that land rockets on boat's in the ocean after delivering payloads to space

Yes Tesla and Space X work with each other sharing resources.

All your concerns and doubts would have been factored in by industry experts working along side these Tesla engineers.

[R650R]

Over a billion dollars and the only real info they willing to release is claimed range and that cab has wireless charging for your phone (presumable do you can phone breakdown service)

The real info that potential customers would want to know is;
LIFECYCLE of battery.
REPLACEMENT cost of battery
TARE weight
Gross combination mass rating
Gross vehicle mass rating.

The last two are exceptionally important as it gives an indication of the trucks service life in any given application. Typically those numbers are 10-30% above local traffic regulations. When Tesla publishes those numbers then they can say they have made a truck. Till then it’s just a show pony for super fans to drool over (real media not allowed at launch)

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

It you spent billions on R&D would you release your technology to the world for competing manufacturers(China) to copy your design before taking your market share first for your R.O.I.

Once more are built, competitors will buy one and tear it apart to see how it ticks, this won't happen for possibly up to a year, after Tesla has come closer to ramping at fuller scale production.

[R650R]

Woah Elon, back that truck up!!!!

I just did some beer garden maths...

Latest costing per KWh of lithium battery packs is $132 per KWH and assuming that’s USD via google. So a 900kwh battery pack in thectesla semi is worth 132x900= $118,800!!!!

I’ve been looking at electric mountain bikes lately, them and similar devices seem to give the battery pack a life of 500-600 discharge recharge cycles. And that was topnof the line Bosch equipment.

Given that trucks operate in all weather extremes thevice cold of night and the sweltering motorway heat I’d say truck battery packs would be under constant stress especially given the loads asked of them. I’m sure we’ve all experienced the performance drop off in our phone batteries and other stuff over time.

I don’t want to pay 250-300k for a new truck that in three years time needs a part replacement that’s equal to its secondhand value

[R650R]

It you spent billions on R&D would you release your technology to the world for competing manufacturers(China) to copy your design before taking your market share first for your R.O.I.

Once more are built, competitors will buy one and tear it apart to see how it ticks, this won't happen for possibly up to a year, after Tesla has come closer to ramping at fuller scale production.

Even the Chinese are smart enough not to copy this junk. There’s nothing special in the Tesla design it’s all off the shelf technology excel to for Tesla’s battery management software and even that’s won’t be rocket science (sic).

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Woah Elon, back that truck up!!!!

I just did some beer garden maths...

Latest costing per KWh of lithium battery packs is $132 per KWH and assuming that’s USD via google. So a 900kwh battery pack in thectesla semi is worth 132x900= $118,800!!!!

I’ve been looking at electric mountain bikes lately, them and similar devices seem to give the battery pack a life of 500-600 discharge recharge cycles. And that was topnof the line Bosch equipment.

Given that trucks operate in all weather extremes thevice cold of night and the sweltering motorway heat I’d say truck battery packs would be under constant stress especially given the loads asked of them. I’m sure we’ve all experienced the performance drop off in our phone batteries and other stuff over time.

I don’t want to pay 250-300k for a new truck that in three years time needs a part replacement that’s equal to its secondhand value
Your comparing a Tesla battery that can last up to 800,000 kms before replacement to an electric bike battery.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Even the Chinese are smart enough not to copy this junk. There’s nothing special in the Tesla design it’s all off the shelf technology excel to for Tesla’s battery management software and even that’s won’t be rocket science (sic).

And your side of the debate has begun to break down referring to the number 1 selling car in many countries today as junk, and China, still a very poor country that still is a developing nation (or 3rd world economy), a countries main mode of transportation was the bicycle only 2 decades ago... superior in technology to Tesla/U.S?

Your grasping at straws now.

[F5 Dave]

I like 2 strokes. A Ringdingdingding. Braaaaph! Braaaaph!

Ahh.

[R650R]

Your comparing a Tesla battery that can last up to 800,000 kms before replacement to an electric bike battery.

Well that fits close enough to my numbers. 800km is close to the TS maximum range. Let’s say at 365 days a year single shifted subtract a few public holidays and other down time then a thousand recharge cycles after daily maximum range use of 800km and BOOM it’s ferked after three years.

And if we factor in the classic 80% real world lifespan vs any manufacturer claim and im bang on the money. Never mind that about halfway through all that it’s likely the battery will not be performing at its original capacity. This is well documented science for all battery types.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Well that fits close enough to my numbers. 800km is close to the TS maximum range. Let’s say at 365 days a year single shifted subtract a few public holidays and other down time then a thousand recharge cycles after daily maximum range use of 800km and BOOM it’s ferked after three years.

And if we factor in the classic 80% real world lifespan vs any manufacturer claim and im bang on the money. Never mind that about halfway through all that it’s likely the battery will not be performing at its original capacity. This is well documented science for all battery types.

I don't know what the Tesla semi battery life is and it is obviously several times larger than a Tesla ev

I would say, that most of the cost is in the battery, so if it's 200k to 300k it should be 2 to 5 times the size of a Tesla model Y battery

But who the hell is going to drive a car 800,000 kms in 3years?

I'd be looking at between 1.6mil km to 3mil Kms before the Tesla Semi needs a battery replacement, depending on which model you order.

My guess is Tesla won't find out until the first Tesla models do these Kms over the next 5 to 10 years.

[R650R]

I don't know what the Tesla semi battery life is

But who the hell is going to drive a car 800,000 kms in 3years?

Look up sunshine, I just quoted you above claiming your number of what you claim is Tesla semi battery life... DEJA VU anyone....,

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Look up sunshine, I just quoted you above claiming your number of what you claim is Tesla semi battery life... DEJA VU anyone....,

Did you read the rest of my completed post before you jumped the gun.

[pritch]

A
Could Musk just be a frontman for others inventions?

That's it in a nutshell.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Man, I got to give it up to truck drivers who have to drive 800km a day, everyday, sometimes outside legal driving guidelines , I'm tired just thinking about it.

Thank goodness for the massive advancements in Tesla full self driving, imagine how advanced it will be when the Tesla Semi reaches New Zealand!

Now all these truck drivers can have a long deserved
restful holiday forever.

Ain't capitalism a bitch..

[husaberg]

I don't know what the Tesla semi battery life is and it is obviously several times larger than a Tesla ev

I would say, that most of the cost is in the battery, so if it's 200k to 300k it should be 2 to 5 times the size of a Tesla model Y battery

But who the hell is going to drive a car 800,000 kms in 3years?

s.

The tesla semi according to Musk himself admits it doesn't use the latest Ys Panasonics 4680-type cells it uses the older Panasonic 2170
as a self proclaimed tesla expert we would expect you to know this......
i am picking you didn't even know let alone will admit they use simple generic Panasonic cells....

Also you keep prattling on about the semis charging in 45 minutes this is what Elon hypes unconfirmed with a 1 mega watt charger of which there are as far as we can ascertain 3 in the world. This is one at a time btw....
Just a few more things a self appointed tesla expert might be expected to know.

Same with the claims you made about telsa vision not having cameras on multiple occasions , its odd that teslas says it does but you who claims to be a Teslas expert does not know this

[R650R]

Did you read the rest of my completed post before you jumped the gun.

You edited the post twice while I had your quote in reply box.... Someone else in this thread also edited their reply DÉJÀ VU.... very interesting nothing like actual actions to confirm suspicions..... DEJA VUE.....

Your original hurried post had a line about how would a car do that with some incorrect maths of “ nearly 2000km a day. While I was confirming your wild error that equaled 2.1 million km instead of 800,000 that line was gone from quote window. So I chose not to mention that, far enough of retracted quickly.

I quoted your whole post autonupdated to your first edit but note it doesn’t contain your second edits done after the fact....

So I never “ jumped the gun” just merely got the crime scene promptly photographed before the offender returned unaware they were under surveillance....,

Hoho ho what interesting times we live in..... DEJA VUE......

[pritch]

Yeah. Musk is a genius all right.

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah. Musk is a genius all right.

Perhaps not the second Tweet, but the first tweet is borderline prescient.

[Berries]

borderline prescient.
Fuck. He's not standing for the big job as well is he?


Our resident Tesla fanboy will wet herself.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Perhaps not the second Tweet, but the first tweet is borderline prescient.

Agree 100%

When your the wealthiest man in history, you have insight to all the corruption in the political and corporate world, I stand by my previous statement, Musk needs a succession plan, he's going to be taken out.

[mashman]

Fried bankman Bankman-Fried wants to do it all over again to make things right. Will Stupid World let him? Go on gatekeepers of commerce, give him a go, don't be consistent and Madoff his ass or anything... coz that sets a bad example and further erodes confidence in the numberous ponzi schemes that are hyped, paid gig of course, by the bankers and 'rockstars' of the world. That the people of the world don't just buy into it, well... :killingme.

Go on, let him have another go.

[mashman]

Yeah. Musk is a genius all right.

The panic was dumb.

He hoped it would be over given the trend information he had seen. (we all did)

The trend was wrong. In this case though, I much prefer wrong over lying to entire populations that a jab will prevent transmission, just like the ones the producers of the vaccines told to governments about transmission and testing protocols... admitted by the manufacturers too.

You watch too much Corro.

[mashman]

Agree 100%

When your the wealthiest man in history, you have insight to all the corruption in the political and corporate world, I stand by my previous statement, Musk needs a succession plan, he's going to be taken out.

Then you should be the successor. You know more about it than anyone in NZ. He wants to build a new Giga factory somewhere creating jobs and showcasing NZ's tech friendly side when it come to climate change etc.... National love that shit. Go on. You're our only hope.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Then you should be the successor. You know more about it than anyone in NZ. He wants to build a new Giga factory somewhere creating jobs and showcasing NZ's tech friendly side when it come to climate change etc.... National love that shit. Go on. You're our only hope.

I can't disagree, I am likely the most knowledgeable on all things Tesla in New Zealand.

But this is serious stuff

You need to think about all my Tesla stock, I don't want to go back to work if his private Jet accidentally falls out of the sky and the company collapsed.

Think of poor me and my early retirement.. please!

[pritch]

he's going to be taken out.

Indeed. By guys in white coats.

[pritch]

The panic was dumb.

You watch too much Corro.

There was no "panic". In the US they refused to even acknowledge realtiy, then to make it worse they politicised it. A million plus died. Completely idiotic.

There was no panic here, just sensible precautions and ten thousand or so are alive because of it.

Corro? Not in decades. Is that even still going?

[mashman]

I can't disagree, I am likely the most knowledgeable on all things Tesla in New Zealand.

But this is serious stuff

You need to think about all my Tesla stock, I don't want to go back to work if his private Jet accidentally falls out of the sky and the company collapsed.

Think of poor me and my early retirement.. please!

I was thinking about your position. Knowledge shared, share price, is far safer than knowledge whoreded, whore price. You're gonna have to take one for the team of 5 million and become our Elon in case the men in white coats get him.

[mashman]

There was no "panic". In the US they refused to even acknowledge realtiy, then to make it worse they politicised it. A million plus died. Completely idiotic.

There was no panic here, just sensible precautions and ten thousand or so are alive because of it.

Corro? Not in decades. Is that even still going?

Of course there was panic. Lockdoons was panic. Sweden not locking down and getting similar results kind of showed that panic didn't change that much at all. Not in terms of death ratios anyway, not transmission etc... Lockdoons = panic.

There was plenty of panic here. Blind panic in far too many quarters according to the evidence i.e. the admission of the vaccine producers that their multiple claims were slightly exaggerated and that the testing was less than optimal, but everyone was panicking so it was ok to tell lies and be complete fucking lunatics by trying to force everyone in the world to be stabbed with something that was already raising massive objections among very well respected medical professionals... not least of which being McCulloughs claim, after their trials, of saving 86% in August 2020 using multi-drug therapy and exceptionally well trained brains to apply it sanely... and so on. But please, sure, there was no panic anywhere that total and utter lies were used to justify shit that divided populations around the globe.

It is unfortunately. For some reason the faces change but the storylines remain the same. Can't put my finger on what's so appealing about it,

[mashman]

Among the wailing around pronouns beings misused, wt, Musk seems to think Fauci should be prosecuted for something to do with gain of function and covid. Probably nothing.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Among the wailing around pronouns beings misused, wt, Musk seems to think Fauci should be prosecuted for something to do with gain of function and covid. Probably nothing.
Thank you for following Elon on Twitter, he and I appreciate your support all 120 million of you.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Among the wailing around pronouns beings misused, wt, Musk seems to think Fauci should be prosecuted for something to do with gain of function and covid. Probably nothing.

Isn't it wonderful having an opinion

It's almost like re living the 90s when you were aloud to freely express your self without fear of being cancelled by the woke brigade.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Isn't it wonderful having an opinion

It's almost like re living the 90s when you were aloud to freely express your self without fear of being cancelled by the woke brigade.

I'll add context to Elons quote

I couldn't give a fuck about the transgender community

There just one of many marginalised groups in society, what gives them the right to jump the line ahead of other marginalized groups in society

Take a number and wait your turn.

[mashman]

Thank you for following Elon on Twitter, he and I appreciate your support all 120 million of you.

Of course that is entirely your choice to view it that way. Some of us aren't following Elon for Elon being Elon. Rookie mistake to make given that that fella and his exchange and his clients are now dealing with the lack of confidence fallout that became a thing. As you say though, sales are up so confidence is high.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Not many on this thread can actually explain why they hate Elon Musk so much without resorting to insults of him.

Ask your self, why do you hate him so much

Answer:

I read it somewhere online he's an idiot, he lies, he's taking over the world etc etc

If your able to analyze this

Who told you this, and why, what was their agenda, who do they represent, was it a politician or a company? Who gains if Musk is killed off?

The German people were very educated, understood history,the arts and had a very wealthy society

But they were easily manipulated to believe everything they were told from the Nazi party, and the media.

How'd that work out?

It's very hard to break free from this, because you have been told what to think all your life.

And I don't blame you for getting angry at me for trying to wake you up

Go back to sleep.

[Laava]

Lols, I've had a quick browse in here! Stupid World with Al Bundy! It doesn't get more stupid than this folks! Welcome to my ignore list, as I welcome not reading your infantile crap!

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Lols, I've had a quick browse in here! Stupid World with Al Bundy! It doesn't get more stupid than this folks! Welcome to my ignore list, as I welcome not reading your infantile crap!

NOOOOOOOOO! I don't know who you are but NOOOOO!!

...hmmm I wonder what's for dinner.

[husaberg]

multiple attempts to seek attention

https://i.pinimg.com/600x315/a5/2e/43/a52e4398bfac4f71fa81a9fc62b2e712.jpg

[husaberg]

Lols, I've had a quick browse in here! Stupid World with Al Bundy! It doesn't get more stupid than this folks! Welcome to my ignore list, as I welcome not reading your infantile crap!

Come on laava he is (according to himself)the NZ leading telsa expert, it seems he knows more than tesla NZ and musk himself about their products.
if you cant trust a no talent ass clown with a limited grasp of English, maths, science, the internet, telsa, their history or components like him, who can you trust....

[pritch]

"I know who ya girlfriend is..."

Well she was Epstien's girlfriend - and procurer of underage girls.

[pritch]

Twitter is becoming the sewer that it was predicted to be. The haters feel free to spew their hate. I saw a report of hard core porn making unwanted appearances on Twitter. I had never seen that - until today.

Musk certainly doesn't seem to be doing anything to bring back the lost advertisers. The ones who left because they didn't want their products or services featured among hate speech or porn.

To give him credit, he's doing a great job of hiding his genius.

[husaberg]

Twitter is becoming the sewer that it was predicted to be. The haters feel free to spew their hate. I saw a report of hard core porn making unwanted appearances on Twitter. I had never seen that - until today.

Musk certainly doesn't seem to be doing anything to bring back the lost advertisers. The ones who left because they didn't want their products or services featured among hate speech or porn.

To give him credit, he's doing a great job of hiding his genius.

i understand they just found this on hunter bidens laptop
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[Laava]

Come on laava he is (according to himself)the NZ leading telsa expert, it seems he knows more than tesla NZ and musk himself about their products.
if you cant trust a no talent ass clown with a limited grasp of English, maths, science, the internet, telsa, their history or components like him, who can you trust....
Seen it all before, anyone who is so successful with their businesses they buy and sell and mega shares, cars, wealth, insider knowledge etc etc, as we all know, anyone actually like this would not spend most of the day endlessly posting butthurt retorts on a limited interest forum. Is primary school level bickering.

[husaberg]

Seen it all before, anyone who is so successful with their businesses they buy and sell and mega shares, cars, wealth, insider knowledge etc etc, as we all know, anyone actually like this would not spend most of the day endlessly posting butthurt retorts on a limited interest forum. Is primary school level bickering.

Holly shit Are you suggesting he may butthurt man and not Bruce Wayne....

[pritch]

Sam Bankman Fried has been arrested in the Bahamas and is being transported back to New York. A former FBI legal executive says considering that FTX only went belly up in November this is extremely quick which implies blatant breaches. Considering that the people running FTX were allegedly investing the money in property. Properties that they purchased in their own names. I guess we shouldn't be surprised.

Something to take the focus off Elon for a bit.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Tesla semi truck

Built tough

Built to last

Order yours today!

Disclaimer: order's may be delayed from such high demand of international corporations.

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/tesla-motors_our-engineers-tested-semi-in-a-variety-of-activity-7008524269617897473-C9Sv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop

[pritch]

Reportedly rent remains unpaid on Twitter buildings around the world.

Some 1/4 million or thereabout on private jet hire is unpaid.

When Musk took over he fired the lawyers at Twitter and brought his own guy in. His guy has now gone too.

He hasn't paid the staff who took his redundancy offer either.

Nothing unusual there then.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/13/technology/elon-musk-twitter-shakeup.html

[sugilite]

Not your or Pritch's subsequent reaction to the actual image that sparked this.


Ok, I know I'm late in replying to this, you may recall I said I would read the book in question, and as of now, I finally have.
The pictures in question appear in the 2nd addition of the series. It is about a woman on her non binary path of discovery.
I found it to be a very socially responsible book. This addition covers 100 pages. 3 pages have nakedness, kind of. 2 pages have 2 illustrations that I would consider cross the line into pornography (and one of them only just crosses the line), yet within the context of the book - makes sense. The author is not one to paper over reality. I'm not sure the author ever envisioned the book would find it's way into some school libraries. It is not compulsory curriculum either, it is in some school libraries in general. I personally would not of been in anyway upset if any of my kids from 12 or 13 up had seen the images. Under that age, I simply do not think the book would be aimed at that age group.
I can see why some puritans may get upset, but really, it is super low level imagery from what your average kids see these days. Having said that, it would of been ridiculously easy to either censer the very small handful of images, or simply change the illustrations in question for a puritan safe version.
In no way would I be trumpeting schools are ramming pornographic material into students hands on the basis of this book.
Overall, kids that are having confusion with trans type thoughts and feelings - this book would really help them in a positive way.

If you would like to do a wall of text response, read the book first aye? The 2nd addition has the images in question, the first does not at all.
https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-2

[TheDemonLord]

Ok, I know I'm late in replying to this, you may recall I said I would read the book in question, and as of now, I finally have.
The pictures in question appear in the 2nd addition of the series. It is about a woman on her non binary path of discovery.

It's all good, you went away for a bit, I presumed you were busy.

As for the latter part - I disagree that Non-Binary is a thing. I think a more correct term would be 'confused' and perhaps an even more correct term would be 'undiagnosed underlying mental disorders'.


I found it to be a very socially responsible book. This addition covers 100 pages. 3 pages have nakedness, kind of. 2 pages have 2 illustrations that I would consider cross the line into pornography (and one of them only just crosses the line), yet within the context of the book - makes sense.

Okay - let me stop you there. I'm going to presume (in good faith) that this is you being charitable to the book and I'm likewise going to take your assessment of it on face value.

2 illustrations, by your own standards cross the line.

that's two too many. I don't doubt that in the larger context of the book they make sense, my contention is that given the target audience, they are inappropriate.


The author is not one to paper over reality. I'm not sure the author ever envisioned the book would find it's way into some school libraries.

Strongly disagree on that last part. For example, see the latest Project Veritas expose of an LGBTQI+Whistle*Jump#$ health practitioner handing out Buttplugs and dildos to teenagers and advising on whether to use spit or Lube.

That and y'know, it's art style, it's target audience (teens going on a journey)


It is not compulsory curriculum either, it is in some school libraries in general. I personally would not of been in anyway upset if any of my kids from 12 or 13 up had seen the images. Under that age, I simply do not think the book would be aimed at that age group.

So, I think I said a while ago in this thread - that if this book was available to buy in Whitcoulls, and you as someone who was in the care of someone facing these issues decided to buy it for them to help them - At my worst, I might contend that this is encouraging the symptoms, rather than treating the problem - however at best, I'd say that you as the caregiver are best placed to make that judgement call for yourself.


I can see why some puritans may get upset, but really, it is super low level imagery from what your average kids see these days. Having said that, it would of been ridiculously easy to either censer the very small handful of images, or simply change the illustrations in question for a puritan safe version.

I don't doubt that kids, especially kids with an internet connection, see worse. The issue is whether that is actively aided by the school. Even when I was at School, they ran local proxies and internet filters (and a Young DemonMaster may have tried to figure out a way round said filters.... cause Horny Teenager) - point is, they did everything in their power to prevent exposure to such material.

That is at odds with having it freely available.

I don't think this is a Puritan issue - I think this is a fairly centrist perspective of 'Any Pornagraphic material is inappropriate in school' - which seems to have been the de-facto standard of the last 150 years.


In no way would I be trumpeting schools are ramming pornographic material into students hands on the basis of this book.

That was never my claim, though... was it?

Remember - Pritch started by scoffing the idea that a law was needed to prevent there being Porn in schools saying it was ridiculous. I posted up the 2 images that proved it wasn't ridiculous, you - yourself have said (and I quote, lest I be accused of putting words in ones mouth):

"2 pages have 2 illustrations that I would consider cross the line into pornography"

And therefore the parents have a genuine reason to be upset at the book being in a school library and a genuine reason to put forward legislation to oppose it.

It is not the complete hyperbole that started from Pritch. Which was my point all along, there's something to this claim.


Overall, kids that are having confusion with trans type thoughts and feelings - this book would really help them in a positive way.

Yeah, couple of issues with this statement.

There's a number of (admittedly anecdotal) instances where schools who adopt the current Gender Ideology tenants suddenly have a marked increase in kids identifying as Trans. One school in Brighton had a 5000% increase.

Even the CDC estimates that the number of Children identifying as Trans has doubled in the last few years. Doubled.

Despite being pretty consistent for decades.

If any other mental disorder doubled in such a short time span it would be grounds for serious academic research especially to see if there was a social contagion element like the Satanic Panic of the 80s.

Is that Kids having confusion? or is that kids being deliberately confused? And let me lay out a simple case - one kid at a school comes out as Trans (maybe genuine Gender Dysphoria) and they get praised as being brave, they get special treatment and attention etc. etc. Is it a stretch of the imagination that a child (possibly one with Autism) sees this and says 'I want some of that praise and attention'? Do you think that this is a completely ridiculous premise?

Secondly - the data on Gender affirming care being a net positive influence is dubious at best. The claim is that Gender Affirming care is best, but this is not backed up by sufficient evidence. Not only that there is some data that suggests that Gender Affirming care is not appropriate in the vast majority of cases - there's several studies that found of Teenagers who identify as 'Trans' - something like 80% of them (if they do not undergo any medical interventions) will grow up to be Gay Adults, identifying with their birth Sex. Granted these studies don't have a huge sample size (in the hundreds) but IIRC they were done in different cultures and at different time periods.

Now - let's assume for the moment that all of this had completely benign and reversible affects - kinda like someone going through an Emo or Goth phase (well... Mostly reversible...) - I would be irritated by the demands that I adhere to their standard of Morality but I would otherwise be none-too-fussed.

The real issue is the demand for Medical interventions - Plastic Surgery, Artificial hormones, delaying of Puberty etc. and the lifelong issues this causes. There was a video a while ago of a US doctor outright saying how an entire department is funded by Trans people due to the lifelong dependence on medical care they need after these interventions.

Seems to be at odds with the mantra 'First, do no harm'.


If you would like to do a wall of text response, read the book first aye? The 2nd addition has the images in question, the first does not at all.
https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-2

Sure, will read it - the Book however is tangential to the issue(s). I'm happy to take your word on it - you say there are 2 images that in your view are pornographic - Cool, I'll accept your assessment of it and point to my above position 'inappropriate in schools'.

You say it's a tasteful journey - I don't doubt it, my issue is with the underlying phenomena and the ideology that surrounds it.

And before anyone asks - Yes, I've met several Trans People, I've known people who would today be called Gender Queer or Non-Binary - and my position is the same - If you're an adult, you do you. I won't debase the English Language for your feelings - but if you've made an effort, I'll happily call you Mr or Miss depending on what you'd prefer.

Just don't push it onto Kids.


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Edit: Happy Christmas.

[R650R]

it seems the Tesla does have design elements that I thought they’d missed out on utilising. Pretty good elements if functional too. Shows a lack of understanding thought that Tesla and the media didn’t trumpet these features.
Also those of us living in the real world know all to well that technology isn’t 100% foolproof.
I can foresee Discovery channel signing up Jamie Davis towing for another season soon as these trucks hit the Coquiholla Highway.....

[TheDemonLord]

If you would like to do a wall of text response, read the book first aye? The 2nd addition has the images in question, the first does not at all.
https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-2

H'okay, I've read the entire thing - and....






I think I was giving the book far too much goodwill.

*warning - incoming wall o' text coming, will be including links to relevant sections*

So, my initial reading of the first half, reading between the lines (initially) is that we have an initially Homeschooled child, living in relative isolation (initially), to two radical left-wing parents who is probably on a Spectrum of sorts. Suffice to say I think this is a causal factor.

First page that I think is 'interesting':

https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-1/49

Linking back to my previous post where I talked about Social Contagion - curious that the author makes a point of saying that a number of the children at the QSA club have Lesbian mums and 'Allies'.

https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-1/69

Pagan Magic spells from her Mum and Feminist rants by friends - This seems to be pretty conclusive about the radical left wing parents and radical left wing environment

https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-1/83

There's a long running theme or discussion in right wing circles about this sort of phenomena:

With the exception of the last few years, the rates of Homosexuality and Transgenderism have been pretty consistent, single digit percentages of the population. The fundamental argument for Gay Liberation was that they were born that way, however the statistical likelihood (assuming that nurture/social environment is not a factor at all) of parents having 2 'queer' children is astronomically small.

To the point where it raises very serious refutation of that underlying assumption, it seems there is in fact a social component to this, and if there is - the Christian Right and those who oppose acceptance have a point - if it's a choice, then you can be judged for that choice.

Further to this - when a Mum comes out and says 'I have two Trans Kids' - all I hear is "I'm abusing my children" - not only that, I've heard multiple anecdotes from people that go along these lines:

"I came out to my Mum as Gay and she asked if I was trans as *barbara* has a trans kid and all the other mums think she's so wonderful"

I consider this to be a variation on Munchausen by Proxy - abusing your child for sympathy and status points, indicative of a deeply narcissistic mother.

https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-1/92

Now we get into the meat of the issues and why increasingly, based on their own testimony, I don't think that the current Trans-craze is natural or healthy.

Pause for a moment and everyone reading this pretend I asked you a question:

"Why are you a Motorcyclist?"

I'm sure the answers would vary greatly, although I'd expect to see lots of "I like the Adrenalin rush, I like the agility/accelerations, I like the connection I have with the road when I ride, I like the wind on me", lots of reasons and I'm sure that this list doesn't even touch the tip of the Iceberg.

But you know what I'm fairly certain I wouldn't get?

"I hate cars, I hate their 4 wheels, I hate how they turn, I hate the crash structure"

This panel is one that I could probably write an entire dissertation on. Her (fuck her pronouns - I'll get to that later) entire reason for being the way she is, is because she hates herself. This does not come from a positive place, it comes from loathing and nihilism.

She hates reality itself and that is why she goes on this journey - it's never about anything positive - it's about the manifestation of an underlying Mental disorder (Self-Hatred).

And I think that all of her actions subsequently (including this book and other panels I'll point out later) are her trying to justify this: "I hate myself and so I want everyone in the world to feel as bad as I do" - I think this is dangerous.

https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-2/49
https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-2/50
https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-2/51

So, more Self-Hatred but also rampant Selfishness - The Mum (at whose feet I lay most of the blame) tries to make the conservative case for Womanhood and Motherhood - and this is also something that a lot of Conservatives have pointed out that there are a number of Women who have had the fulfillment in their lives of being Womanly and Mothers who then rob their daughters of it by the espousing of radical Feminist ideas.

The Mum points at that she would make a good parent (debatable...) but then the author rebukes with pure selfishness - I'm getting the faint waft of some massive self-centredness and narcissim - more Underlying Mental health issues.

https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-2/76

I said earlier 'Fuck her Pronouns' - and this panel is one of two key reasons why. I've said previously I have no problem with a genuine trans person calling them by the opposite terms - but that I wouldn't debase the english language to accommodate it - well this quote is precisely why:

"Because I really want people to be confused about my Gender at all times"

Translation: "I'm a massive nihilistic narcissitic Cunt who wants to deceive the whole world"

And I mean that. I think this person and their ideas are dangerous - and the worst kind of Dangerous - Danger wrapped up in well meaning.

This line, to me, shows the true intention of the author, to demoralize everyone around them by forcing them into a constant state of confusion. The literature on the link between this and Totalitarian thought is clear "2+2=5 if the Leader wills it" - this is a mere extension of it - and so as above, fuck her Pronouns, I will not cede any inch of my intellect to her games because I know that the ultimate goal of such confusion is power.

https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-2/86

Okay, so now that my ire is well and truly raised, now we get to the insidious stuff.

You remember how before I read it I disagreed with your assessment that the author never intended it to be in schools? Yeah... This is one of two areas where I think the author clearly demonstrates this to be her intention.

And I want to focus on the language here - She's talking about how she might help a hypothetical child who was confused... it's all "I this" "I that", Me Me Me Me Me - her attempts to help are entirely self-centred on her.

It's not about helping some child, it's about validating her decisions to herself.

And the fact that this advocacy involves highly dangerous medication that can have life-altering affects, including sterility, being pushed onto children by self-hating narcisstic adults is just about grounds enough for me to pull the pitchforks and torches.

I want to be clear - this is a major red flag and this person should have zero interaction with any child.

https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-2/93

Lesbian Feminist Aunt from before she was born.

Called it.

https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-3/24

Now, for all my fire and fury of the comment before last - here's the flipside - She's lied to herself so completely that reality itself causes her to Vomit and sleep for ages - she can change all the details she wants, she can have all the plastic surgery, all the treatments, all the pronouns - whatever.

Then nature rears it's ugly head and says 'Fuck you, this is what reality is' - and she's left vomitting from the mental torment of it. I have a lot of sympathy for people who suffer a sudden and catastrophic crisis of faith, it's not pretty to see - however the solution is not to keep lying to yourself.

https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-3/26
https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-3/27

Up until this point, the Author has been perfectly fine with the clothes they have chosen to wear, boyish clothes etc.

And yet after they go to the Pride March, they decide that they need to reject what they've been happy with:

"I don't want to spend this year looking straight"

This is not a normal response, this is again a nihilistic and narcissistic response - I must be different for all the attention Me Me Me (Narcissism) and the Nihilism of 'I hate everything about Society' - yes, I know she doesn't say society, but considering that this author almost certainly construes society as a 'Cisgender hetero-normative capitalist Patriarchy' - and being straight is the 'herero-normative' part of that word-salad, then yes - that is exactly what they mean. They can't bear to be normal or to fit-in because to do so might mean they aren't special.

https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-3/38
https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-3/39
https://comiconlinefree.net/gender-queer-a-memoir/issue-tpb-part-3/40

And now, based on everything, is the most insidious part of the whole book.

This is exactly what Conservatives mean when they talk about Grooming.

Firstly - her decision to come out to the children in her Care is all about her "I would have liked this, Me Me Me Me" - massive Narcissist red flags. And remember why she chose the pronouns she did? She wants everyone to be confused about her - given the above context, she wants Children to be confused about her.

I'm not talking like a little harmless fun like the magic of Christmas and Santa being real, I'm talking inflicting her denial of reality onto Children and doing it consciously, because it makes her feel good about herself.

Secondly - the only reason she feels comfortable doing this is because she knows the school system will back her up. Not the Parents, not the ones whose children are entrusted to her Care - she doesn't give a fuck about them whilst she's pushing her ideology and self-hating, self-centred beliefs onto Children - oh no, she does it because she knows she's protected by a system that shares the same beliefs as her.

The same system that thinks this book in schools is okay.

Thirdly - I consider these panels an absolute nail in the coffin about it not being intended to be in schools, I see it as an extension of the Authors narcissism, She can't be in every classroom grooming kids, but a book sure as hell can be.

Finally - what is the ultimate purpose of this decision?

I put it to you this way:

If someone is confused, there are two options:

1: Help them understand their confusion
2: Accelerate their confusion

Gender affirming Care and Gender ideology is definitively the second option.

Her reason for coming out is in the hopes that there will be a child who is confused about their Gender (lots of big changes going on in the teenage years) with the hopes to make them like her - miserable and hating themselves, all under the guise of compassion and love (from someone who is too selfish to want Children - her words).

This is a microcosm of the same demoralization techniques that the KGB and Yuri Bezmenov talked about and it's the same undermining of society that Antonio Gramscii talked about. Make people confused about reality and they will do anything you want them to.


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Edit: At least you got your wish, I did read the book :D

[mashman]

:killingme :crybaby: :killingme @ Trump NFT. I mean seriously wtf. It's up there with the kids who pumped and dumped and made a cool 100 million from the dealing that are now going to jail. Stupid world at it's absolute finest.

[sugilite]

Gosh, had I known my book review would be so well received, I would of done heaps more of them! :bleh:
I'm sure you will be equally endamered with my pending report on critical race theory, I went in deep on that subject.




As for the latter part - I disagree that Non-Binary is a thing. I think a more correct term would be 'confused' and perhaps an even more correct term would be 'undiagnosed underlying mental disorders'.

I've never met a non binary person, but my gut feeling is it is a thing for some, and a fad for others. I'm wary of all the boxes shrinks love to put people in, so I do not wholesale subscribe to deeming it a mental disorder such as you do.




Okay - let me stop you there. I'm going to presume (in good faith) that this is you being charitable to the book and I'm likewise going to take your assessment of it on face value.

2 illustrations, by your own standards cross the line.

that's two too many. I don't doubt that in the larger context of the book they make sense, my contention is that given the target audience, they are inappropriate.

I'm not attempting to be charitable or otherwise with my review. Do I agree with everything in the book? No, but most of it in my opinion is fine, and helpful information for the "target audience".
I agree, the 2 images would cross the line for a fair few people, hence my suggestion that it could so easily have been mitigated with 2 toned down illustrations, or censored illustrations for the 2 images in question.




Strongly disagree on that last part. For example, see the latest Project Veritas expose of an LGBTQI+Whistle*Jump#$ health practitioner handing out Buttplugs and dildos to teenagers and advising on whether to use spit or Lube.

That and y'know, it's art style, it's target audience (teens going on a journey)

There is always fringe wackadoodles in just about any given group of people, I do not wholesale blanket the entire group with the lowest denominator such as you have chosen to do in this case.




So, I think I said a while ago in this thread - that if this book was available to buy in Whitcoulls, and you as someone who was in the care of someone facing these issues decided to buy it for them to help them - At my worst, I might contend that this is encouraging the symptoms, rather than treating the problem - however at best, I'd say that you as the caregiver are best placed to make that judgement call for yourself.

I do not disagree with this sentiment, but neither would I be waving my arms around windmill style if my kids had seen this book in a school library. I will say again, because you in no way addressed my solution - the images should of been mitigated, such an easy solution in regards to this specific book.



I don't doubt that kids, especially kids with an internet connection, see worse. The issue is whether that is actively aided by the school. Even when I was at School, they ran local proxies and internet filters (and a Young DemonMaster may have tried to figure out a way round said filters.... cause Horny Teenager) - point is, they did everything in their power to prevent exposure to such material.

That is at odds with having it freely available.

I don't think this is a Puritan issue - I think this is a fairly centrist perspective of 'Any Pornagraphic material is inappropriate in school' - which seems to have been the de-facto standard of the last 150 years.

Sure, the schools should of asked the publishers to mitigate the 2 images if they were so keen to put it in their libraries. The thing with moral standards is they constantly shift north - they have in no way stayed static for the last 150 years. While I do not agree that pornographic images should be shown at school, equally I acknowledge that porn itself is a hell of a lot more mainstream in general than it ever was in the past, and schools should in some fashion at least broach the subject in some form, not show porn, but at least address it exists and that much of it is not true to life. I suppose a lot of boys are quite shocked that near every girl does not want jizz sprayed on their face in the real World. I accept you have deep concerns about what materials teachers should teach, so do I. It should be approached with a calm way with child safety foremost in mind. It should also have an opt out clause for parents that do not wish for their children to take that particular class. This will give the parents that give a shit enough to educate their own children in these matters the option of doing so, while giving the children of parents that do not want to cover that subject themselves a chance to be educated that porn rarely represents real life and respect and consent are the primary directives to be followed.



That was never my claim, though... was it?

Remember - Pritch started by scoffing the idea that a law was needed to prevent there being Porn in schools saying it was ridiculous. I posted up the 2 images that proved it wasn't ridiculous, you - yourself have said (and I quote, lest I be accused of putting words in ones mouth):

"2 pages have 2 illustrations that I would consider cross the line into pornography"

And therefore the parents have a genuine reason to be upset at the book being in a school library and a genuine reason to put forward legislation to oppose it.

It is not the complete hyperbole that started from Pritch. Which was my point all along, there's something to this claim.

Surely there is already censorship laws in place to stop pornography being distributed in schools - sure, maybe they need to be overhauled, or simply the existing ones be enforced. I keep saying this - the two images could so easily of been mitigated.



Yeah, couple of issues with this statement.

There's a number of (admittedly anecdotal) instances where schools who adopt the current Gender Ideology tenants suddenly have a marked increase in kids identifying as Trans. One school in Brighton had a 5000% increase.

Even the CDC estimates that the number of Children identifying as Trans has doubled in the last few years. Doubled.

Despite being pretty consistent for decades.

Except you seem to neglect mentioning that lgbtq acceptance and rights have made huge strides in recent years, now it is much more acceptable to "come out" and be ok to talk about it without as much fear of bigotry as in the past. Another factor is the predominantly right leaning gas-lighters doing their best to make this a huge end of the earth subject . One unintended effect of this is attention seeking rebellious teens seize upon this as being the new cool rebellious thing to do. Gaslighting does not come for free tdl. It has consequences way beyond it's intended effect - the intended effect in this case being rallying fearful voters to the pollies side. Often the very same pollies that are top of the heap in nefarious sleazy practices.



If any other mental disorder doubled in such a short time span it would be grounds for serious academic research especially to see if there was a social contagion element like the Satanic Panic of the 80s.

Is that Kids having confusion? or is that kids being deliberately confused? And let me lay out a simple case - one kid at a school comes out as Trans (maybe genuine Gender Dysphoria) and they get praised as being brave, they get special treatment and attention etc. etc. Is it a stretch of the imagination that a child (possibly one with Autism) sees this and says 'I want some of that praise and attention'? Do you think that this is a completely ridiculous premise?

Secondly - the data on Gender affirming care being a net positive influence is dubious at best. The claim is that Gender Affirming care is best, but this is not backed up by sufficient evidence. Not only that there is some data that suggests that Gender Affirming care is not appropriate in the vast majority of cases - there's several studies that found of Teenagers who identify as 'Trans' - something like 80% of them (if they do not undergo any medical interventions) will grow up to be Gay Adults, identifying with their birth Sex. Granted these studies don't have a huge sample size (in the hundreds) but IIRC they were done in different cultures and at different time periods.

Now - let's assume for the moment that all of this had completely benign and reversible affects - kinda like someone going through an Emo or Goth phase (well... Mostly reversible...) - I would be irritated by the demands that I adhere to their standard of Morality but I would otherwise be none-too-fussed.

As mentioned I do not subscribe to your blanket notion that trans people have mental disorders. Again, you neglect to take into consideration this growth is due to trans people coming out as they feel it is safer to do so now.
Sure do more studies, completely neutral studies on a large scale are fine, if that is even possible in todays agenda driven "scientific" studies? I doubt it.
I do not feel transgender students should get special treatment. such as I do not agree with them competing in sports for genders they were not born into. Trans people want to be respected and that is fine, but their decisions to follow their feelings and transition comes with limitations. I feel they should be accepted as equal people as they say they want, but biological constraints should in turn be respected by them as well. For instance, it is simply not fair to female athletes to have to compete against biologically born males. In short, I feel if trans people want to be respected, then they should also respect the fact that they should not receive unfair advantages. It is a two way street to my mind.


The real issue is the demand for Medical interventions - Plastic Surgery, Artificial hormones, delaying of Puberty etc. and the lifelong issues this causes. There was a video a while ago of a US doctor outright saying how an entire department is funded by Trans people due to the lifelong dependence on medical care they need after these interventions.

Seems to be at odds with the mantra 'First, do no harm'.

Yes, I agree more than you know about irreversible procedures being carried out on young people. There needs to be an age limit. It is a bloody tough one to address as to what age that might be. 24 or 25 would not be too old in my opinion, but MANY would disagree with me. It is a bit like abortion and people doing runners from police. there is no perfect solution. There are those that genuinely need it, and there will be those which will get a serious case of buyers remorse in spectacular fashion. Those fuckers that encourage such procedures in immature youth need to be taken down. They are a menace. So too are people at the other end of the scale that just want to throw a blanket "fix" on the issue and write it off as a mental disorder.



Sure, will read it - the Book however is tangential to the issue(s). I'm happy to take your word on it - you say there are 2 images that in your view are pornographic - Cool, I'll accept your assessment of it and point to my above position 'inappropriate in schools'.

You say it's a tasteful journey - I don't doubt it, my issue is with the underlying phenomena and the ideology that surrounds it.

And before anyone asks - Yes, I've met several Trans People, I've known people who would today be called Gender Queer or Non-Binary - and my position is the same - If you're an adult, you do you. I won't debase the English Language for your feelings - but if you've made an effort, I'll happily call you Mr or Miss depending on what you'd prefer.

Just don't push it onto Kids.



I read the book coming from 2 distinctly different positions, or realities if you like. The first is during covid, I noticed when several of the TV shows I enjoyed watching came back on air that all of a sudden they were so fucking woke and virtue signalling - I could no longer watch them. And new programs in the last few years all seem to have to have a representative of each race and sexual subscription to the point the story telling got lost with the sheer amount of frivolous characters now embedded into them - meh. The other is I'm a father of one lesbian and one trans child (both well into their 20's now) whom I dearly love. If you think I went into this subject lightly - think again.

[pritch]

People in Ukraine are now unable to sign up for Twitter. The software will not accept Ukraine telephone numbers. So much for his obsession with free speech.
This has not gone unnoticed, Russian media are praising Musk.


Meanwhile back at Tesla...

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/tesla-investor-koguan-leo-new-ceo-elon-musk-twitter-focus-2022-12?utm_campaign=sf-markets-insider&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2GaUV4sG8fp8ZUYywi9OGl6N5p_iWDvytiFnUlZ SDo6wVNZEuUgM6ywRs

[sugilite]

There's a long running theme or discussion in right wing circles about this sort of phenomena:

With the exception of the last few years, the rates of Homosexuality and Transgenderism have been pretty consistent, single digit percentages of the population. The fundamental argument for Gay Liberation was that they were born that way, however the statistical likelihood (assuming that nurture/social environment is not a factor at all) of parents having 2 'queer' children is astronomically small.

To the point where it raises very serious refutation of that underlying assumption, it seems there is in fact a social component to this, and if there is - the Christian Right and those who oppose acceptance have a point - if it's a choice, then you can be judged for that choice.

Further to this - when a Mum comes out and says 'I have two Trans Kids' - all I hear is "I'm abusing my children" - not only that, I've heard multiple anecdotes from people that go along these lines:


Edit: At least you got your wish, I did read the book :D

Well, look how this post has aged? Here I am with the astronomically small percentage of having 2 queer children and I'm also now being labelled a child abuser.
TheDemonLord, the majority of the hate being espoused in your post is by you.
It is people like you that gives me way more fear for my children than a book with two questionable illustrations.
Thank You for so clearly displaying your position.

For me it is not about far left politics or right. It is about my acceptance of my children's position.
For the record, my youngest who is trans started referring to herself as a boy from a very early age, around 5 or 6 - way before wokeness was a thing, certainly not due to any leftie literature. I will be honest and selfishly hoped it was just a phase, I certainly did not encourage it, their mother even less so. I struggled to come to terms to be honest. But if you want to declare me as being a child abuser - well, we live in a so called free society - so have at it so to speak. In the mean time I will continue to love all my children equally.

[TheDemonLord]

Before I post this, I should warn you - I'm entering the Brown-out period of my Job (where essentially I can't do any work) and I'm going on holiday at the end of the day. Which means I will have a lot more time to write ad nauseum replies :D


Gosh, had I known my book review would be so well received, I would of done heaps more of them! :bleh:
I'm sure you will be equally endamered with my pending report on critical race theory, I went in deep on that subject.

It was an honest review.


I've never met a non binary person, but my gut feeling is it is a thing for some, and a fad for others. I'm wary of all the boxes shrinks love to put people in, so I do not wholesale subscribe to deeming it a mental disorder such as you do.

I've met a few, the thing for me is though - when I look at their reasons for doing so, it comes more from a place of rejecting reality.


I'm not attempting to be charitable or otherwise with my review. Do I agree with everything in the book? No, but most of it in my opinion is fine, and helpful information for the "target audience".
I agree, the 2 images would cross the line for a fair few people, hence my suggestion that it could so easily have been mitigated with 2 toned down illustrations, or censored illustrations for the 2 images in question.

After I fully read it, I'll be honest here, I draw far more umbrage with the last few pages than I do those 2 images.


There is always fringe wackadoodles in just about any given group of people, I do not wholesale blanket the entire group with the lowest denominator such as you have chosen to do in this case.

I think there's a case to be made that they are the Fringe Wackadoodles, not the group.


I do not disagree with this sentiment, but neither would I be waving my arms around windmill style if my kids had seen this book in a school library. I will say again, because you in no way addressed my solution - the images should of been mitigated, such an easy solution in regards to this specific book.

Sure, the schools should of asked the publishers to mitigate the 2 images if they were so keen to put it in their libraries. The thing with moral standards is they constantly shift north - they have in no way stayed static for the last 150 years. While I do not agree that pornographic images should be shown at school, equally I acknowledge that porn itself is a hell of a lot more mainstream in general than it ever was in the past, and schools should in some fashion at least broach the subject in some form, not show porn, but at least address it exists and that much of it is not true to life. I suppose a lot of boys are quite shocked that near every girl does not want jizz sprayed on their face in the real World. I accept you have deep concerns about what materials teachers should teach, so do I. It should be approached with a calm way with child safety foremost in mind. It should also have an opt out clause for parents that do not wish for their children to take that particular class. This will give the parents that give a shit enough to educate their own children in these matters the option of doing so, while giving the children of parents that do not want to cover that subject themselves a chance to be educated that porn rarely represents real life and respect and consent are the primary directives to be followed.

Surely there is already censorship laws in place to stop pornography being distributed in schools - sure, maybe they need to be overhauled, or simply the existing ones be enforced. I keep saying this - the two images could so easily of been mitigated.

If there are already laws - why did it happen? There is a trail of complicity that lead to this point. At any one point, any rational person should have said 'No, I don't think this belongs in schools' - Any rational school when this was pointed out would have gone 'Oh, yes, I can see why you are upset, we'll remove it from the Library' - instead they doubled down.


Except you seem to neglect mentioning that lgbtq acceptance and rights have made huge strides in recent years, now it is much more acceptable to "come out" and be ok to talk about it without as much fear of bigotry as in the past. Another factor is the predominantly right leaning gas-lighters doing their best to make this a huge end of the earth subject . One unintended effect of this is attention seeking rebellious teens seize upon this as being the new cool rebellious thing to do. Gaslighting does not come for free tdl. It has consequences way beyond it's intended effect - the intended effect in this case being rallying fearful voters to the pollies side. Often the very same pollies that are top of the heap in nefarious sleazy practices.

Actually, no.

Rates of LGBTQ acceptance have been going down in very recent times. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/06/24/lgbtq-acceptance-millennials-decline-glaad-survey/1503758001/


As mentioned I do not subscribe to your blanket notion that trans people have mental disorders. Again, you neglect to take into consideration this growth is due to trans people coming out as they feel it is safer to do so now.
Sure do more studies, completely neutral studies on a large scale are fine, if that is even possible in todays agenda driven "scientific" studies? I doubt it.
I do not feel transgender students should get special treatment. such as I do not agree with them competing in sports for genders they were not born into. Trans people want to be respected and that is fine, but their decisions to follow their feelings and transition comes with limitations. I feel they should be accepted as equal people as they say they want, but biological constraints should in turn be respected by them as well. For instance, it is simply not fair to female athletes to have to compete against biologically born males. In short, I feel if trans people want to be respected, then they should also respect the fact that they should not receive unfair advantages. It is a two way street to my mind.

Sorry to let you know - but what you've described there is Biological Essentialism - Congrats, you are now one of those Right Wing Transphobes (https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=biological+essentialism+transphobia)

And I'm not even joking or trying to score a cheap point. From the vantage point of the Radical Left wing Gender ideologues, there is no difference between what you've said and my most extreme opinion.

Think about that.



Yes, I agree more than you know about irreversible procedures being carried out on young people. There needs to be an age limit. It is a bloody tough one to address as to what age that might be. 24 or 25 would not be too old in my opinion, but MANY would disagree with me. It is a bit like abortion and people doing runners from police. there is no perfect solution. There are those that genuinely need it, and there will be those which will get a serious case of buyers remorse in spectacular fashion. Those fuckers that encourage such procedures in immature youth need to be taken down. They are a menace. So too are people at the other end of the scale that just want to throw a blanket "fix" on the issue and write it off as a mental disorder.

Definitely a Transphobe.

Again, I'm not being glib here - look it up, advocating that Minors or even teenagers shouldn't have access to irreversible medical procedures is Transphobic according to the Trans lobby. 24 or 25 is definitely hateful.

However - I want to stop and point something out:

"Those fuckers that encourage such procedures in immature youth need to be taken down."

Is that not exactly what the author said in that she would do in that book?


I read the book coming from 2 distinctly different positions, or realities if you like. The first is during covid, I noticed when several of the TV shows I enjoyed watching came back on air that all of a sudden they were so fucking woke and virtue signalling - I could no longer watch them. And new programs in the last few years all seem to have to have a representative of each race and sexual subscription to the point the story telling got lost with the sheer amount of frivolous characters now embedded into them - meh.

Okay - so you've come to the position that I was in, circa 2013, for me it was the intrusion into Video Gaming (aka Gamer Gate) - you've got a lot of catching up to do.

It's so fucking woke and virtue signalling making them unwatchable and unplayable.

Ask yourself this - why? Why is it that it's unwatchable? Not just the bad fan-fic story writing, is it? There's something else under the surface that just doesn't quite sit right, is there? That itch in the back of your head that tells you 'this isn't right' - but you can't quite put your finger on it..

[TheDemonLord]

Well, look how this post has aged? Here I am with the astronomically small percentage of having 2 queer children and I'm also now being labelled a child abuser.

Are they both Queer? One is a Lesbian, the other is Trans. Certainly statistically unlikely. I know this is splitting hairs, but I'm using the Gender Ideology framing to make the point.

And more to the point - Are you saying the thing I'm talking about specifically isn't real? Are you saying their aren't rabidly left-wing mums who view having a Trans Child as the latest 'accessory'? Are you saying that there aren't people, like in the book, whose a priori radical left-wing views may or may not be causal to certain outcomes?


TheDemonLord, the majority of the hate being espoused in your post is by you.
It is people like you that gives me way more fear for my children than a book with two questionable illustrations.
Thank You for so clearly displaying your position.

Is it justifiable to hate Childless Adults who seek to corrupt children for their own purposes?

And more specifically - what advantage to me and to my kids future is there to take the risk? This is essentially Pascals' Wager: If I'm wrong, I loose nothing. If I'm right, I gain everything.

But that is to ignore the nihilism that I pointed out in my review, plenty of self-reported hate instances in the book and plenty of instances of the author actively seeking to push their ideas onto kids, including medical transitioning, which as you said:

"Those fuckers that encourage such procedures in immature youth need to be taken down."

Is that not the exact same extent to which my opinions are 'hateful'?

I mean, I've already pointed out that the very reasonable opinions that you've stated around Sex segregation, biological essentialism and denying transitioning to minors (all opinions that I agree with FYI) - puts you in the same transphobic camp as the most hard-core Right wing Christian conservative that you seem to abhor

when viewed from the perspective of the Gender Ideologues.


For me it is not about far left politics or right. It is about my acceptance of my children's position.

There's a difference between accepting an individual as Trans or whatever (something I've done many times and is, for the most-part, politics free) and Gender Ideology, which is entirely left wing.


For the record, my youngest who is trans started referring to herself as a boy from a very early age, around 5 or 6 - way before wokeness was a thing, certainly not due to any leftie literature.

So, I would say - based on my anecdotal experience that they are more likely to be someone who is genuinely trans if it happened from such an early age. Especially if it persisted.

I would also say, according to Trans ideology, it's referring to himself as a boy ;)


I will be honest and selfishly hoped it was just a phase, I certainly did not encourage it, their mother even less so. I struggled to come to terms to be honest. But if you want to declare me as being a child abuser - well, we live in a so called free society - so have at it so to speak. In the mean time I will continue to love all my children equally.

I've not declared you anything - had our roles been reversed, I'd be saying you are putting words in my mouth, but it's Christmas and I'm fucking around at work because there's no real work to be done and I'm going on holiday in 2 hours, so I'll let it slide.

Now - I'm in a good mood - so here's the key - there's a grey area that most reasonable people are happy operating in, it was the status quo about 10 years ago - incidentally when Acceptance was at it's highest. You got Gay Marriage, protections in law - easy, job done.

There were trans people then, who sought medical help and some of them it was determined by reasonableness that their gender dysphoria was so severe that they need surgery and hormones etc. No problem, I want everyone to be a functioning member of society.

Now, there's some fringe bigots (and there always will be - remember that) but for the most part, we had acceptance and tolerance.

And then they started to push it more... and more... and more... to the point where they are showing Porn to kids, giving kids butt plugs, sterilizing kids and getting them dependent on Medical interventions for life, promoting it in schools, covering it up when it leads to rape in schools, wanting biological men to access and compete in female spaces/competitions etc. etc.

The reasonable people, especially the parents, at this point said 'No'. If we can't trust you, then you can't be trusted.

[sugilite]

Are they both Queer? One is a Lesbian, the other is Trans. Certainly statistically unlikely. I know this is splitting hairs, but I'm using the Gender Ideology framing to make the point.

And more to the point - Are you saying the thing I'm talking about specifically isn't real? Are you saying their aren't rabidly left-wing mums who view having a Trans Child as the latest 'accessory'? Are you saying that there aren't people, like in the book, whose a priori radical left-wing views may or may not be causal to certain outcomes?


Here is what you said - "Further to this - when a Mum comes out and says 'I have two Trans Kids' - all I hear is "I'm abusing my children" - not only that, I've heard multiple anecdotes from people that go along these lines:"
So I'm exempt from this statement because I'm a man? Or because I only have one trans?
Your many blanket generalizations that you refuse to pull back from and then go on to double down with after I made a attempt at a serious conversation - honestly, why would I bother talking with you further on this subject? I now consider the whole trans subject closed with you, not because you beat me back with good points, rather I see no point conversing with someone that is not willing to engage in a talk of possible solutions, you just want to stir the pot with shit tons of those blanket generalizations you love so much.

It seems to me, you are so determined to put me in a box. The reason I come across as being so left with you, is because 80+% of our conversations are in the Trump thread where you unwaveringly defended the indefensible - and I add all the trump apologists into that which if course is made up of nearly the whole republican party. How is that working out for them now btw?- The prior unwavering support of a reprehensible human being. 3 time losers and counting. The fact the repubs are just now cottoning on to how toxic trump is for their party beggars belief.

The truth of it as I have tried many times to explain to you. Is I despise pollies in equal measure, just in different ways.
Thus it matters not to me when you point out my views are the same as the right, or left. The same as I view a good idea as being simply a good idea. I do not care where it came from, marxist, conservative, the tooth fairy. I simply do not care. A good idea, is a good idea. My observation is you need to scrutinize and assign political slants on near any given situation and if it comes from the left, trash it. I've lost count of your "deep marxist roots" attributions.
So before you try once again to assign me to a box, consider this.... I do subscribe to the saying if you do not vote, you lose the right to moan. I'm very unimpressed with Labor. I kinda thought Winston may have shot down and held them back from implementing worthwhile policy, but since having the numbers to rule alone, I now can see they are simply a shit Government that gets very little achieved - compared to what they could have done with the numbers they had - and squandered. I stopped voting for greens 3 cycles ago when I considered actual green issues were not actually what they stood for. So this election, I'm going to very carefully consider acts policies as well as national before deciding and holding my nose as I vote for the least shit bunch of pollies available. So I guess in a scathing way, I'm a swing voter - the very kind of voter that fucked over the wackadoodle republicans so called red wave.

And a fun fact, my last post was censored by a KB moderator. I dared to use your first name in an attempt to show you this was me seriously trying to talk with you as a person, rather than our usual internet trolley type banter we both usually engage in. Apparently kb is no place for shock horror - first names! Fuck it is hardly doxing using a fairly common first name eh. I'm an Anthony - oh shit, I've done it again, how long will it be until my name gets censored. <_<
Meh.

[mashman]

Quick everyone, get your Bitcoin n shit off of Binance ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaa...

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

it seems the Tesla does have design elements that I thought they’d missed out on utilising. Pretty good elements if functional too. Shows a lack of understanding thought that Tesla and the media didn’t trumpet these features.
Also those of us living in the real world know all to well that technology isn’t 100% foolproof.
I can foresee Discovery channel signing up Jamie Davis towing for another season soon as these trucks hit the Coquiholla Highway.....

It's not unusual for Tesla to modify and upgrade production of their vehicles sometimes weekly , even on the production line itself, it's encouraged by Musk, Tesla is always improving their vehicles.

This is a manufacturing strength for Tesla which is why their margins are so much higher than any legacy auto manufacturer or Chinese ev maker.

Sometimes a brand new Tesla can be outdated straight from the factory, because they constantly improving their products, so I wouldn't be surprised if today's Tesla semi is technically very different when they eventually start landing on our shores.

[F5 Dave]

What is quite fashionable is blaming parents for their children. Actually more a constant. Especially women. Helicopter mothers, frigid mothers, absent mothers.

Gay? Autistic? Have a mental problem? Blame the mother.

The alternative is to blame Dog. Every good Christian knows we are made in his image so it isn't palatable to admit that he keeps making neutrally diverse humans that goes against the narrative of the bible. I mean it's just begging to admit he doesn't exist.

So blame the mother instead. They somehow rewired thier brains. Naughty, Wicked Witches.

[R650R]

People in Ukraine are now unable to sign up for Twitter. The software will not accept Ukraine telephone numbers. So much for his obsession with free speech.
This has not gone unnoticed, Russian media are praising Musk.


Meanwhile back at Tesla...

https://markets.businessinsider.com/news/stocks/tesla-investor-koguan-leo-new-ceo-elon-musk-twitter-focus-2022-12?utm_campaign=sf-markets-insider&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&fbclid=IwAR2GaUV4sG8fp8ZUYywi9OGl6N5p_iWDvytiFnUlZ SDo6wVNZEuUgM6ywRs

There is a war on you know, control of info etc.... No different to us not being able to watch Russia Today on YouTube (they did do great documentaries)
Prob more to do with the computer at Twitter not being able to connect to Ukraine telecoms management. I’d expect it be well bricked up right now to guard against hackers.

[R650R]

:killingme :crybaby: :killingme @ Trump NFT. I mean seriously wtf. It's up there with the kids who pumped and dumped and made a cool 100 million from the dealing that are now going to jail. Stupid world at it's absolute finest.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/15/us/politics/trump-nft-trading-cards-superhero.html
All jokes aside anything “limited edition” eventually has value to collectors, especially in large countries like UK and USA where the population is large enough to support weirdo niche hobby interests.

[sugilite]

Elon Thinskin - the resident twitter free-speech absolutist appears to have had a change of heart......

https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-suspends-cnn-nyt-wapo-journalists-critical-elon-musk-sparks-viral-uproar

Funny on so many levels with plenty of crying all over the show.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Elon Thinskin - the resident twitter free-speech absolutist appears to have had a change of heart......

https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-suspends-cnn-nyt-wapo-journalists-critical-elon-musk-sparks-viral-uproar

Funny on so many levels with plenty of crying all over the show.


These so called journalist were tweeting Elon Musks real time location, some crazy was jumping on a car with his young son in it, Elon wasn't even in the car, like Musk said, if these journalists had their real time location tweeted the FBI would be all over it.

There's multiple death threat's on himself and his family

[sugilite]

These so called journalist were tweeting Elon Musks real time location, some crazy was jumping on a car with his young son in it, Elon wasn't even in the car, like Musk said, if these journalists had their real time location tweeted the FBI would be all over it.

There's multiple death threat's on himself and his family

Sounds shocking mate. Has Elon per chance posted any video, photos or screenshots of these heinous acts?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Sounds shocking mate. Has Elon per chance posted any video, photos or screenshots of these heinous acts?

His legal team is on it,

Can you post up Elon Musks heinous acts against yourself, perhaps financially , mentally or physically that has made you dislike him so?

[pritch]

There is a war on you know, control of info etc....

I doubt it. It's just Musk demonstating his commitment to free speech. For which flexible commitment the Russian media are praising him.

If Putin's mouthpieces are praising you, it's likely you fucked up.

[pritch]

His legal team is on it,


Which legal team? He fired them and then fired their replacement. All completely normal behaviour of course.

I note there are calls at Tesla for a new CEO. They want a full time one.

[sugilite]

His legal team is on it,

Can you post up Elon Musks heinous acts against yourself, perhaps financially , mentally or physically that has made you dislike him so?

Oh, so no proof as yet then? Im shocked. In the meantime, we are to believe that a cartel of meanee journalists banded together to attack his family and dox them. Im sure their accounts being suspended have nothing to do with them posting unflattering prose about Elon right?

And, nothing personal to me exactly, but he lost a shit ton of respect from me when he called the hero of the Thai cave rescue mission a 'pedo' , because the guy had the audacity to decline Elons offer of a small submarine that was not suited for the job.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

And, nothing personal to me exactly, but he lost a shit ton of respect from me when he called the hero of the Thai cave rescue mission a 'pedo' , because the guy had the audacity to decline Elons offer of a small submarine that was not suited for the job.

Seems like a lot of time and negative energy wasted on nothing personal to you don't you think.

[mashman]

Sounds shocking mate. Has Elon per chance posted any video, photos or screenshots of these heinous acts?

Yes.................

[mashman]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/15/us/politics/trump-nft-trading-cards-superhero.html
All jokes aside anything “limited edition” eventually has value to collectors, especially in large countries like UK and USA where the population is large enough to support weirdo niche hobby interests.

Eventually lol... and wholly dependent on what history has to say about him.

[sugilite]

Seems like a lot of time and negative energy wasted on nothing personal to you don't you think.
Not at all. I love pointing out hypocrisy, which naturally brings me to my next question.... So why the time and energy spent by you commenting on my posts? You know, if its nothing personal to you?

[sugilite]

Yes.................

Im not on twitter, do you have a link? im keen to check the evidence out. :yes:

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Not at all. I love pointing out hypocrisy, which naturally brings me to my next question.... So why the time and energy spent by you commenting on my posts? You know, if its nothing personal to you?

I'm interested in human psychology.

[mashman]

Im not on twitter, do you have a link? im keen to check the evidence out. :yes:

A masked kid sitting in a car filming the ?security fella? (Elons kid is in the car, not Elon) that's now filming him and his car registration plate. Musk asks the people for details. Can't be fucked bringing you any more instant happiness than that without suggesting you go get a twitter account and gratify yourself.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Which legal team? He fired them and then fired their replacement. All completely normal behaviour of course.

I note there are calls at Tesla for a new CEO. They want a full time one.

All 4 sentences in this post was a complete fallacy.

Yet Im still fascinated by why you choose to make this up?

The human animal is a very interesting creature indeed!

Fascinating.

[Berries]

All 4 sentences in this post was a complete fallacy.
Counting not a strong point either?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I really wish someone would explain to me why they hate Elon Musk so much

So far all I have is he's a hypocrite because
he called a guy a pedo 3 years ago?

Wouldn't directing this anger at perhaps someone that actually affected you or your family be more of a vent?

Perhaps the RBNZ and other central banks printing billions and in some cases trillions causing high inflation to hurt your families budget

Maybe governments locking us in cages well after we were vaccinated

Yet so much anger is vented towards an autistic billionaire with a teenage boys humor, who actually hasn't affected your way of life at all? 0%

Who is actually telling you to hate Elon Musk?

This is what I find fascinating in trying to understand human psychology.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Counting not a strong point either?

Your constant attacks on me since I joined this forum shows in the real world you are most likely weak and insecure in yourself, perhaps well below average in height, and you enjoy the dopamine hit it brings you when attacking others online, because your not brave enough to do this in the real world.

You can fix this if you want, it starts with acknowledging the problem first.

[Berries]

Your constant attacks on me since I joined this forum shows in the real world you are most likely weak and insecure in yourself, perhaps well below average in height, and you enjoy the dopamine hit it brings you when attacking others online, because your not brave enough to do this in the real world.

If you are going to come on here banging your chest about how great you are you are going to get shit, especially when it appears that you can't count to five. You also have no idea who you are conversing with so the constant focus on your own wealth is laughable to be honest.



6'3" in my heels.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

If you are going to come on here banging your chest about how great you are you are going to get shit, especially when it appears that you can't count to five. You also have no idea who you are conversing with so the constant focus on your own wealth is laughable to be honest.



6'3" in my heels.

Your transgender high heels fashion is of no interest to me.


https://youtu.be/UJOjTNuuEVw

[Berries]

Sorry, thought you were in Auckland.