Stupid World

[sidecar bob]

Gets job knowing the pay rate, refuses to collect the money that pays his wages, gets stood down & wahh's about having no money.
Pretty stupid is right.

[mashman]

Gets job knowing the pay rate, refuses to collect the money that pays his wages, gets stood down & wahh's about having no money.
Pretty stupid is right.

:killingme :killingme :killingme and yet the drivers continued to drive for free. The business stopped that though, coz they don't care who they inconvenience... which is why they don't pay wages in line with cost of living increases knowing full well that this would happen. Likely hoping to drive the value of drivers down even further... or given the way the market is going, they'll score some dodgy drivers at nice prices as they tender the work. All so predictable. But yeah, blame the guy who actually does the work for pointing out that they're not getting paid enough to do the work :killingme... stupid cunts with an agenda, usually more money for ME, do that sort of thing.

[husaberg]

Gets job knowing the pay rate, refuses to collect the money that pays his wages, gets stood down & wahh's about having no money.
Pretty stupid is right.

So pay rate should be frozen forever now under the Sidecar bob rules?
Muldoon loved a good wage freeze.
Whats more free market than people negotiating a wage increase.

[sidecar bob]

So pay rate should be frozen forever now under the Sidecar bob rules?
Muldoon loved a good wage freeze.
Whats more free market than people negotiating a wage increase.

Yeah that's my take on it fuckwit.
Do you even have a fuckin clue?

[husaberg]

Yeah that's my take on it fuckwit.
Do you even have a fuckin clue?

I do not have a clue about why you are so upset , Whats got your goat, did get kicked out of the masons?
Imagine if someone told you you have to freeze the rent on your properties and someone said

stupid landlord buys house knowing the rental rate, & wahh's about having no money to pay mortgage as he cant increase his rent to allow for improvements of inflation or cost of living..
Pretty stupid is right.
You would be the first going on about it.

[Voltaire]

I remember the 'wage freeze', meant you had to change companies to get a pay increase, it was a tradie merry go round.
Went from $7.50 to over $10.00 ( and a Ford Escort van) in a matter of months. Only to find a year later you could get $15 in Sydney.
Some of my work mates went on to 'Think Big" projects such as Glenbrook, Marsden Pt and Huntly Power Station but easy come easy go saw much of that 'invested' in what soon became worthless shares.
I dabble in the share market but working in Corporate I find the financial a bit smoke and mirrors.

[oldrider]

I remember the 'wage freeze', meant you had to change companies to get a pay increase, it was a tradie merry go round.
Went from $7.50 to over $10.00 ( and a Ford Escort van) in a matter of months. Only to find a year later you could get $15 in Sydney.
Some of my work mates went on to 'Think Big" projects such as Glenbrook, Marsden Pt and Huntly Power Station but easy come easy go saw much of that 'invested' in what soon became worthless shares.
I dabble in the share market but working in Corporate I find the financial a bit smoke and mirrors.

Like the perfect horse with bad feet - not fit for purpose - ends up dog tucker. ....... Our basic money system is not fit for purpose - everything ends up dog tucker - cyclic wars booms and busts forever? - Follow the money!

[Viking01]

https://apnews.com/8e0accfe7fb3fc10b97c87c2b7e00cd8

[oldrider]

This is what mind control looks like. - :jerry:

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[mashman]

https://apnews.com/8e0accfe7fb3fc10b97c87c2b7e00cd8

TPP/TTIP. For those two to have any teeth, you need a corrupt WTO or a dead one.

[austingtir]

Now if only someone has the balls to do this with MAGA hats.

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/someone-is-putting-tiny-cowboy-hats-on-pigeons-in-las-vegas-as-animal-rescue-works-to-remove-them

[oldrider]

Now if only someone has the balls to do this with MAGA hats.

https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/someone-is-putting-tiny-cowboy-hats-on-pigeons-in-las-vegas-as-animal-rescue-works-to-remove-them

Actually they look really smart - MAGA hats would look pretty cool - one of the birds would probably be just as effective as POTUS too if you quietly think (twice?) about it? - :confused:

[austingtir]

I think I spotted Banditbandit at the gas station:

https://imgur.com/gallery/uH8oXn3

[Viking01]

Friday the 13th. Supposedly unlucky for some.

I've ignored both the Trump impeachment proceedings (and vote), as well as UK election results. Others are monitoring those side shows.

I see that Don has supposedly "signed off in principle" on the "phase one" agreement relating to the US-China trade war. But we've been here before, so we'll wait for tariff deadlines to pass and for the ink to hit the page first, and then look at what was finally agreed. The story varies a little, depending upon what source you read:

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/dec/12/us-china-trade-deal-in-principle-tariffs
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50765743

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/474381-us-china-reach-limited-trade-deal-ahead-of-tariff-deadline

https://asia.nikkei.com/Economy/Trade-war/US-very-close-to-trade-deal-with-China-Trump-tweets
https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3041907/trade-war-us-and-china-said-agree-phase-one-deal-new-us

https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1173376.shtml
https://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1173351.shtml

Guess that Don might like to be able to announce some "positive" news before Christmas, and not annoy local US consumers (voters) unnecessarily.

You can decide for yourself who was the "winner" of round one. And why.

[Viking01]

It's been a tough time for Australia with droughts and forest fires:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/13/australias-politicians-face-a-crisis-of-legitimacy-as-fire-and-smoke-chokes-the-country
https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/winter-crop-forecasts-slashed-as-armageddon-drought-bites-20191202-p53g2p.html

Under the circumstances, I'd expected Australia to be setting aside funds for projects to address water supply and address environmental issues.


On a separate note, Australia has had a relationship with NATO since 2011. More recently, NATO has been talking about extending its reach into the Pacific (to ring fence the Chinese), and there were some preliminary discussions with Australia back in August:

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/08/29/australia-furthers-its-cooperation-with-nato/

I now see mention of a possible Atlantic-Pacific military alliance, with Australia due to join in 2026:

https://www.voltairenet.org/article208535.html

Australia seems to have already bought into the general proposition:

https://sputniknews.com/asia/201912121077557845-australia-to-spend-715-million-upgrading-port-to-accommodate-more-us-navy-ships---report/

Perhaps they see the "Chinese threat" (whatever that might be) as being more of an existential threat.

But with Cape Town in South Africa having recently come close to "Day Zero" (regarding supply of residential water supply), I would have thought Australia might be more focused on its own water and environmental security.

I hope that we don't seeing Australians sailing across the Tasman and coming to NZ as "economic refugees" when the water runs out ... :eek5:

[austingtir]

^^

Sputnik is russian propaganda news outlet.


If the Aussies were that bad off they would be sailing tankers over here to take our water which we are practically giving away anyway.

And with regards to NATO. I approve of this because imo Australia needs a WAY bigger navy and airforce than they currently have to protect not only themselves but US aswell.
If we dont have to pay much of anything for that protection well.... im not complaining.


Indonesia alone has something like 150million people and if they became an aggressor which imo is highly likely in the next 50-100 years given who runs the place we should be prepared for that.

All China has to do is have a military pact with Indonesia and get them to do the hard yards for them.

Honestly NZer's and Aussies need to wake up.

[austingtir]

You guys want to know why the vast majority of americans DONT believe in climate change?


Because no state broadcaster there!

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MwN5nDajWs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFr_VjiDH_4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4Zdx97A63s&t=165s

[mashman]

Iowa man sentenced to 16 years for setting LGBTQ flag on fire (https://www.yahoo.com/news/iowa-man-sentenced-16-years-004039544.html)

[austingtir]

Iowa man sentenced to 16 years for setting LGBTQ flag on fire (https://www.yahoo.com/news/iowa-man-sentenced-16-years-004039544.html)

I think there must be a bit more too it. Typical MSM not giving all the details imo.

To by charged with arson he must of burnt it in the Church or something.


Trannies Lgbtqsrstuvs and the likes of antifa are burning american flags on what seems like a daily basis and nothing happens to them. Its free speech you are allowed to burn flags. But if someone who's current ex military see's you do it well... they might end up with a few fists i the face....

[mashman]

Auckland kebab shop owner told to stop feeding homeless vows to feed needy on Christmas (https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/118213937/auckland-kebab-shop-owner-told-to-stop-feeding-homeless-vows-to-feed-needy-on-christmas)

With such intelligence and business success on tap, you'd have thought that they could have supported the shop owner and his "friends"... but there's no money in that. There is no such thing as a business community, just business that happens to be located in someone else's community :puke:

[austingtir]

Auckland kebab shop owner told to stop feeding homeless vows to feed needy on Christmas (https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/food-wine/118213937/auckland-kebab-shop-owner-told-to-stop-feeding-homeless-vows-to-feed-needy-on-christmas)

With such intelligence and business success on tap, you'd have thought that they could have supported the shop owner and his "friends"... but there's no money in that. There is no such thing as a business community, just business that happens to be located in someone else's community :puke:

Well there is the argument that he's going to help them multiply.

We dont need Auckland to be like San Fran with homeless shitting all over the streets. Kebab meat is not going to help that situation.:rolleyes:


If he only does it at xmas time I have no issue with it though it sounds like he's been doing it for near or over a month. So the other business owners have valid concerns.

[MaxPenguin]

Well there is the argument that he's going to help them multiply.

We dont need Auckland to be like San Fran with homeless shitting all over the streets. Kebab meat is not going to help that situation.:rolleyes:


If he only does it at xmas time I have no issue with it though it sounds like he's been doing it for near or over a month. So the other business owners have valid concerns.

Best reaction would be to find out who is on the business association and start a campaign to shit on their doorsteps.

[mashman]

Well there is the argument that he's going to help them multiply.

We dont need Auckland to be like San Fran with homeless shitting all over the streets. Kebab meat is not going to help that situation.:rolleyes:


If he only does it at xmas time I have no issue with it though it sounds like he's been doing it for near or over a month. So the other business owners have valid concerns.

And that is exactly why the situation continues. Those with don't help by trying to solve another part of the problem that the kebab guy is. Instead they roll out the trite platitudes and big brush the problem under someone else's carpet. What you resist persists.

[mashman]

Best reaction would be to find out who is on the business association and start a campaign to shit on their doorsteps.

They'll only put rates up... and claim QED.

[austingtir]

And that is exactly why the situation continues. Those with don't help by trying to solve another part of the problem that the kebab guy is. Instead they roll out the trite platitudes and big brush the problem under someone else's carpet. What you resist persists.

The problem is Auckland has had a long succession of lefty liberal mayors. Look at any country in the world where you have major homeless issues and you can just about bet the place is run by leftists.


Thats the stone cold truth!

[mashman]

The problem is Auckland has had a long succession of lefty liberal mayors. Look at any country in the world where you have major homeless issues and you can just about bet the place is run by leftists.


Thats the stone cold truth!

That's just fucking stupid for s many reasons it's hard to know where to begin. So I won't, because both left and right and all of the shades in between still haven't nailed the problem, which is access to resources, including somewhere to live. You might have heard of the housing shortages around the country? Maybe you don't fully understand what that means. Either way, left or right haven't changed it, so blaming leftists is just plain old stupid.

[austingtir]

That's just fucking stupid for s many reasons it's hard to know where to begin. So I won't, because both left and right and all of the shades in between still haven't nailed the problem, which is access to resources, including somewhere to live. You might have heard of the housing shortages around the country? Maybe you don't fully understand what that means. Either way, left or right haven't changed it, so blaming leftists is just plain old stupid.


Its simple you throw them all in jail and educate them that its not ok to shit on the streets.


Problem solved.


And I disagree that left or right has not created the problem. IMO JK is when national took a major leap to the left. Therefore the left created this mess.

And afterall it was Comrade Helen who started importing the third world (and the rich chinese who bought all the houses) en masse.

Thats why we find ourselves in this situation. Because of globalism which is a leftist idealogy. Both National and Labour are globalist parties. Hence why I wont be voting for them!

[MaxPenguin]

And that is exactly why the situation continues. Those with don't help by trying to solve another part of the problem that the kebab guy is. Instead they roll out the trite platitudes and big brush the problem under someone else's carpet. What you resist persists.

You don't have to scratch very deep to get under the skin of the "we care about the community" bullshit I bet the members of the business association spout forth.

[mashman]

You don't have to scratch very deep to get under the skin of the "we care about the community" bullshit I bet the members of the business association spout forth.

There's only so much $ to go around and business still needs to support employees/suppliers etc... Rock and Hard Place sprinkled with hundreds and thousands of catch-22's. The inevitable structural violence ensues i.e. homelessness and poverty, at the expense of jobs and comfort. We can only care as much as we can afford to care, coz we don't directly fix the problems ourselves, we pay for someone else to fix 'em on our behalf. At least we ain't the u.s... yet ;)

[mashman]

Its simple you throw them all in jail and educate them that its not ok to shit on the streets.

The reason the numbers are rising is because there is a lack of property... let alone at an affordable rate. The jails already run at quite a high capacity and given the cost of keeping a prisoner in jail is approx $100lk per year, you'd be better off buying the homeless an entire community of small houses, land to farm on, and so on, simply because it would be cheaper to do that in the long run.

As such, one more bout of your right/left wing bollocks will see me apply the ignore function that has only ever known tdl, husatwat, and bogan... because you are spouting a rather archaic politically trite dogma that has been tried, tested and failed. Lock 'em up... how left can ya get. You must be the bastard love child of bogan and at least one of the other two.

[austingtir]

The reason the numbers are rising is because there is a lack of property... let alone at an affordable rate. The jails already run at quite a high capacity and given the cost of keeping a prisoner in jail is approx $100lk per year, you'd be better off buying the homeless an entire community of small houses, land to farm on, and so on, simply because it would be cheaper to do that in the long run.

As such, one more bout of your right/left wing bollocks will see me apply the ignore function that has only ever known tdl, husatwat, and bogan... because you are spouting a rather archaic politically trite dogma that has been tried, tested and failed. Lock 'em up... how left can ya get. You must be the bastard love child of bogan and at least one of the other two.



What are you talking about the government already pays exorbitant amounts for motels all around the country. Kiwibuild??? Hello what happened there? I happen to know a fair bit about this as family is in commercial realestate. Theres a motel straight over the road from my wife's work that houses these people en masse because of the near 100% occupancy it allows the motel to achieve at good rates.

You can see motel owners getting out of the business and selling up over this because of the degeneracy they have to deal with on a daily basis. Even though the money is good the trouble it brings is not for everyone. So we are destroying the motel industry in Rotorua and other towns (even though some of the motel owners may not realize it yet) and destroying the tourisim industry in Rotorua because tourists sometimes make the mistake of also staying at these motels where these "homeless" get up to their shenanigans.


Acting like all homeless are just down on their luck and arent responsible for their situation is just not true. Some of them are complete scum of earth who shouldnt even be out of jail where they belong. Sure some of them are genuine homeless who either cant or are uncapable of supporting themselves those ones I have no problem with my tax payer dollars helping them out the others not so much.

Not everyone falls for the pull on the heartstrings rubbish half this country does as some of us actually see what really goes on.


This issue is only going to get worse giving these people handouts. This government made a massive song and dance about fixing this and the housing issue and one year out from the next election we are in exactly the same place (worse actually) than when they were on the opposition benches chortling about fixing these issues!

[mashman]

What are you talking about the government already pays exorbitant amounts for motels all around the country. I happen to know a fair bit about this as family is in commercial realestate. Theres a motel straight over the road from my wife's work that houses these people en masse because of the near 100% occupancy it allows the motel to achieve at good rates.

You can see motel owners getting out of the business and selling up over this because of the degeneracy they have to deal with on a daily basis. Even though the money is good the trouble it brings is not for everyone.

And we wonder where the homeless keep coming from. Despite the fact that we've gotten to the point where motels are being extensively used, there are still homeless. Despite the fact that to get to that point you need to have ignored housing shortages for quite some time and not just under any single government.

The trouble is a pain in the arse, yes. But where else do you house the people that have been ignored for decades? We create and maintain property to a standard where it's profitable, otherwise every house built in NZ would be made of the best materials available and designed to last centuries. The problem is money, the outcome is less than optimal humans.

[MaxPenguin]

As long as the boomers property portfolios are showing good returns and driving up the price of houses and rent, then all good for the boomers. Fuck the homeless. Funnily enough them boomers are generally the ones conplaining the loudest about homeless folk, and youngins not working hard enough to get on the property ladder.

[mashman]

As long as the boomers property portfolios are showing good returns and driving up the price of houses and rent, then all good for the boomers. Fuck the homeless. Funnily enough them boomers are generally the ones conplaining the loudest about homeless folk, and youngins not working hard enough to get on the property ladder.

Side effects of a sick culture... but necessary to not be the one living in a motel. lol@boomers. Learned behaviour from parents and sensible advice from financial advisors over the last 100 years or so: put it in property. No one has really done anything wrong, but the more than predictable effects and outcomes of such activity are accepted and ignored as business as usual. The shit slinging shows just how much we/they don't know. As such we get the sideshow and the consolation of getting to blame the incoming. Insane.

[MaxPenguin]

Side effects of a sick culture... but necessary to not be the one living in a motel. lol@boomers. Learned behaviour from parents and sensible advice from financial advisors over the last 100 years or so: put it in property. No one has really done anything wrong, but the more than predictable effects and outcomes of such activity are accepted and ignored as business as usual. The shit slinging shows just how much we/they don't know. As such we get the sideshow and the consolation of getting to blame the incoming. Insane.

Agreed, nobody has done anything wrong except profit from unsustainability. We knew no better.

[mashman]

Agreed, nobody has done anything wrong except profit from unsustainability. We knew no better.

More or less I guess. Even if we wake up tomorrow morning and all corruption stops, we still need to stop approximately 50% of global production to address our sustainability issue... which should have a massively positive impact on our environmental/climate in a hundred years time or so ha ha ha haaaaaa. We did/do know better though, but how do you slam on the brakes of a culture that sees the homeless as inconvenient and then bitches about paying too much tax to cover the cost of living for a growing number of people whilst at the same time limiting their own tax liability. But yeah, primarily we all followed our "education/programming" to predictable outcomes.

[austingtir]

Agreed, nobody has done anything wrong except profit from unsustainability. We knew no better.



Depends on what you think is unsustainable. I think importing immigrants hand over fist to have cheap labour for the corporates is unsustainable.


Or said immigrants effect on the housing market and basic social cohesion. Those are things that are unsustainable for NZ.

Certain ways things have been done are unsustainable sure but not the stuff the average bloke on the street is doing.

[MaxPenguin]

Depends on what you think is unsustainable. I think importing immigrants hand over fist to have cheap labour for the corporates is unsustainable.


Or said immigrants effect on the housing market and basic social cohesion. Those are things that are unsustainable for NZ.

Certain ways things have been done are unsustainable sure but not the stuff the average bloke on the street is doing.

What immigrants?

[austingtir]

What immigrants?

Any immigrants. Migrants. Refugees. Whatever the term of the day is.


It should be held at 10-20k per anum absolute max.


But of course its the only thing stopping western economies from collapsing.....

[austingtir]

Hmm, maybe theres hope for the French afterall.... This French dude should of been born 900 years ago.

Pretty sure that was the one that drove past in the silver car with some weird ass sounds on. Not sure what actually went on but he had to of said something for someone to react like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=81&v=XKAS0393EyU&feature=emb_logo


https://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/d7b7b3d22c.jpg

[oldrider]

After Haftar Seizes Turkish Vessel, Erdogan Deepens Military Role In Libya, Angering Russia:- :scratch: - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/after-haftar-seizes-turkish-vessel-erdogan-deepens-military-role-libya-angering-russia - :corn: - (Thinks: What's in it long term for Israel? - Iran?)

[mashman]

"More rational climate scenarios don’t give any excuse for complacency. But they do give human civilization a fighting chance.". (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/worst-case-climate-change-doesn-123050166.html)

And yet not a mention of why the pollutants are in the air and land and water i.e. the production of shite that serves no life purpose.

It is wholly rational to stop the economic activity that is causing the problem in the first place. If that's not on the menu, then success will be limited and everything will die. There are no ifs ands or buts in regards to that being a requirement, because the energy saved by stopping that economic activity will be massive... and I do mean massive. All of a sudden gas and coal last longer and so on. But they're not even talking about it, which shows just how irrational their solutions still are. Perhaps they don't understand the nature of the problem, which they don't, because capitalistic activity requires the polluting to take place, else there's too little resource to float any market.

Selling bits of planet for profit does not encourage the inhabitants of that planet to live within the means of the planet nor indeed their own individual means in any way shape or form. The evidence proves this without question... and where we cut the required production, so no financial system, and therefore capitalism, will be able to survive. If ya cannae get that through yer thick skull, then you truly are fucked in the head, because you are denying the actuals and the history that produced those actuals. But each to their own evidence eh........

Knowing the science means fuck all if your economy is ill-equipped to handle what's coming given that those running the show think that capitalism has to survive. That is a limit (in thinking if nothing else) set by stupid people. It's stupid, be cause nature really doesn't give a fuck about limits that men set. The sooner men realise this, the sooner we'll start moving in the right direction for that fighting chance to become a reality.

[MaxPenguin]

"More rational climate scenarios don’t give any excuse for complacency. But they do give human civilization a fighting chance.". (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/worst-case-climate-change-doesn-123050166.html)

And yet not a mention of why the pollutants are in the air and land and water i.e. the production of shite that serves no life purpose.

It is wholly rational to stop the economic activity that is causing the problem in the first place. If that's not on the menu, then success will be limited and everything will die. There are no ifs ands or buts in regards to that being a requirement, because the energy saved by stopping that economic activity will be massive... and I do mean massive. All of a sudden gas and coal last longer and so on. But they're not even talking about it, which shows just how irrational their solutions still are. Perhaps they don't understand the nature of the problem, which they don't, because capitalistic activity requires the polluting to take place, else there's too little resource to float any market.

Selling bits of planet for profit does not encourage the inhabitants of that planet to live within the means of the planet nor indeed their own individual means in any way shape or form. The evidence proves this without question... and where we cut the required production, so no financial system, and therefore capitalism, will be able to survive. If ya cannae get that through yer thick skull, then you truly are fucked in the head, because you are denying the actuals and the history that produced those actuals. But each to their own evidence eh........

Knowing the science means fuck all if your economy is ill-equipped to handle what's coming given that those running the show think that capitalism has to survive. That is a limit (in thinking if nothing else) set by stupid people. It's stupid, be cause nature really doesn't give a fuck about limits that men set. The sooner men realise this, the sooner we'll start moving in the right direction for that fighting chance to become a reality.

Correct on all points.

[mashman]

Correct on all points.

Well, that's what the evidence says... pretty hard to be "wrong" in that instance, unless the evidence is wrong that is. That and economics isn't that hard to understand so long as you can stay away from rote learning the manual of capitalistic economics (all modern day economics) and associated political propaganda, and instead understand just how useful the systems that we have are and that we're simply using them for the purpose of floating a financial economy which sees us squander Eden by paving paradise and putting up parking lots...............

The evidence is what it is. All systems could be used in vastly more efficient ways, but ALL economic models that I've seen proposed so far fall down because they still rely on bits of planet being sold for profit to crack the Economic Calculation Problem. Such is hard to accept, but is KB proven! lol... but it very much is what it clearly is, and it ain't purdy by any stretch of the imagination.

[austingtir]

https://i.imgur.com/u8Ml5XY.jpg

[oldrider]

UN Takes Over Utah Taxpayer-Funded Venue – Claims It’s “International Territory” & Shuts Down Journalists (Video) - https://sonsoflibertymedia.com/un-takes-over-utah-taxpayer-funded-venue-claims-its-international-territory-shuts-down-journalists-video/ - MIGA? :scratch:

Written by: Tim Brown, Published on: October 26, 2019

[Quote]These people are not American. They are part of a foreign government. They should be indicted as traitors to the people of Utah and the united States. It’s time we got out of the UN and got the UN out of the US![Unquote]

[austingtir]

UN Takes Over Utah Taxpayer-Funded Venue – Claims It’s “International Territory” & Shuts Down Journalists (Video) - https://sonsoflibertymedia.com/un-takes-over-utah-taxpayer-funded-venue-claims-its-international-territory-shuts-down-journalists-video/ - MIGA? :scratch:

Written by: Tim Brown, Published on: October 26, 2019

[Quote]These people are not American. They are part of a foreign government. They should be indicted as traitors to the people of Utah and the united States. It’s time we got out of the UN and got the UN out of the US![Unquote]


I agree, EVERYBODY not just the USA should be kicking these clowns out. I foresee a day when NZ has UN troops posted even here in NZ and they run around raping everyone they can like they do overseas.


The UN needs to be kicked out of western countries and all funding ceased.

I reckon the next trick they will pull if something major kicks off in the US around the next election they will go in under the guise of "keeping the peace" or some such bullshit like that but we know who's side they will really be on.

[oldrider]

NONE IS SO BLIND AS HE WHO WILL NOT SEE

Congressional Record. House of Representatives January 15, 1962 Page 215

Mr. Utt: Mr. Speaker, I ask unanimous consent to address the House for one minute and to revise and extend my remarks.

Mr. Speaker: Is there objection to the request of the gentleman from California?

There was no objection.

Mr. Utt: Mr. Speaker, on the opening day of the 2nd session of the 87th Congress, I introduced H.R. 9567, a bill to rescind and revoke membership of the United States in the United Nations and the specialized agencies thereof and to repeal the Immunities Act relative thereto.

https://rense.com/general96/none-is-so-blind-as-he-who-will-not-see.php

[austingtir]

https://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/12d9104b6f.jpg

[oldrider]

https://ceoworld.biz/2019/12/16/here-are-the-worlds-most-powerful-countries-in-2019/ - :bs:

Revisit that criteria:- Existing only 71 years and already all roads lead to Israel -unprecedented power? - Absolutely!

Every country in the world is subservient to Israel - (especially the United States) - Israel bows to no country not even the United Nations!

Top of that list should be Israel. (IMHO)

[austingtir]

https://ceoworld.biz/2019/12/16/here-are-the-worlds-most-powerful-countries-in-2019/ - :bs:

Revisit that criteria:- Existing only 71 years and already all roads lead to Israel -unprecedented power? - Absolutely!

Every country in the world is subservient to Israel - (especially the United States) - Israel bows to no country not even the United Nations!

Top of that list should be Israel. (IMHO)


Good we should follow their lead. Nobody should be listening to the UN.


BTW NZ at number 34... LMAO. What are we good at atm? Giving hugs and wearing hijabs makes us the 34th most powerful country in the world!?

[austingtir]

Darwin award winner of the year? I just wish he did it to a bigger angrier bear!!


https://youtu.be/d-WWdE1_RW0

[mashman]

Stupid world at its finest...

"If you don't actually know what you're consuming or where its coming from or going, it's incredibly difficult to take informed management decisions."

"We just need to be much more clever in how we use it," says Mr Peduzzi. "Sand has to be recognised as a strategic material, not just an endless supply."
(https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50629100)

So preoccupied with whether they could, they never really stopped to consider whether they should.

[Viking01]

Stupid world at its finest...

"If you don't actually know what you're consuming or where its coming from or going, it's incredibly difficult to take informed management decisions."

"We just need to be much more clever in how we use it," says Mr Peduzzi. "Sand has to be recognised as a strategic material, not just an endless supply."
(https://www.bbc.com/news/business-50629100)

So preoccupied with whether they could, they never really stopped to consider whether they should.

Coupled with:

https://www.dw.com/en/a-dam-building-race-threatens-the-mekong-river/a-50049206

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/10/article/water-war-risk-rising-on-the-mekong/

[mashman]

Coupled with:

https://www.dw.com/en/a-dam-building-race-threatens-the-mekong-river/a-50049206

https://www.asiatimes.com/2019/10/article/water-war-risk-rising-on-the-mekong/

Progress. Energy required to manipulate yet more energy into something to sell. The world revolves around the notion of buying and selling bits of planet. What other outcome can there be!

[pritch]

There will be an interesting staff meeting at dating site Bumble in the New Year. Sharon Stone has popped up on Twitter to say she has been blocked from the site because there were complaints that her account was obviously fake. It was not fake, it was her.

[oldrider]

Drought by Design - The Genociding of Australia:- :scratch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8XmlMpJSJ8&feature=youtu.be - :confused: - Really?


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[oldrider]

https://ceoworld.biz/2019/12/16/here-are-the-worlds-most-powerful-countries-in-2019/ - :bs:

Revisit that criteria:- Existing only 71 years and already all roads lead to Israel -unprecedented power? - Absolutely!

Every country in the world is subservient to Israel - (especially the United States) - Israel bows to no country not even the United Nations!

Top of that list should be Israel. (IMHO)

Israel (Worlds most powerful nation) primarily targeted Syria’s air defense in 2019 not Iran:- https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/12/26/israel-primarily-targeted-syrias-air-defense-in-2019-not-iran/ - and lied about it? :rolleyes:

Why? :scratch: Because they can! :msn-wink: and that's "REAL" power! IMHO. :niceone:

[Viking01]

With friends in both Sydney and Adelaide (the latter having had to evacuate their home twice in December), admit to feeling sorry for those affected by the bushfires. Having worked in Australia on occasion since the late 1970's, feel that these fires must rate as the most extreme that I can recall. Much worse than Ash Wednesday in Victoria back in 1983 (and Black Saturday in 2009).

Somehow, Scotty, I don't think they're feeling the love. I think that they are asking for some signs of leadership and Government action (not hand-shakes and photo ops by the PM):

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/118567741/australia-bushfires-pm-scott-morrison-forced-to-retreat-after-being-abused-by-angry-
locals

https://www.rt.com/news/477325-australia-pm-bushfire-victims/

https://www.dw.com/en/australian-pm-scott-morrison-angers-residents-as-country-burns/a-51863496

[austingtir]

With friends in both Sydney and Adelaide (the latter having had to evacuate their home twice in December), admit to feeling sorry for those affected by the bushfires. Having worked in Australia on occasion since the late 1970's, feel that these fires must rate as the most extreme that I can recall. Much worse than Ash Wednesday in Victoria back in 1983 (and Black Saturday in 2009).

Somehow, Scotty, I don't think they're feeling the love. I think that they are asking for some signs of leadership and Government action (not hand-shakes and photo ops by the PM):

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/australia/118567741/australia-bushfires-pm-scott-morrison-forced-to-retreat-after-being-abused-by-angry-
locals

https://www.rt.com/news/477325-australia-pm-bushfire-victims/

https://www.dw.com/en/australian-pm-scott-morrison-angers-residents-as-country-burns/a-51863496


He should of come straight back from that holiday BUT you have two extremes....

You have Jacinda on one side who's going to run around actively looking for photo ops with hugs and hijabs. Everybody is different and im afraid that type of carry on doesnt wash with me (im sure it does with others). She doesnt know those people and will probably never communicate with them again after the photo op. To me its all just too disengenous to take seriously but people still do.

The one of morrison with the firefighter is telling..... theres a time to go actively looking for a photo op and getting embarrassed when someone doesnt shake your hand and there a time to look like you are out on the ground doing something to atleast look like your helping fix the issues. Scott is not Jacinda.... she might get away with that bullshit but he cant.

In both cases neither Jacinda or Scott are seeing the real picture imo. They are just looking for a political opportunity to gain mileage.

Leadership in the west is seriously lacking atm imo across the board. I feel Trump is still the only one that actually gets it.



I have also seen comments about the greens type's in australia actively stopping fire burn backs. That to me is something that needs to be exposed by the MSM but of course they have the opposite narrative to push so thats probably not going to happen. The aboriginals have known about fire burn backs since adam was a boy. Many people in Australia are actively linking up with aboriginal elders to get their experience in fire burn backs and why they do it. (I dont even think they need that as its blatantly obvious fire burn backs work if its done at the right time before things get out of control and under the right conditions).

People acting like bushfires are a new thing or the "biggest ever" are the neanderthals of human evolution we can look at our own glaciers here in NZ and see major bush fires raging in australia going back as far as we like. These current bush fires are nothing new. We just have more people and the internet to spread the propaganda further now.

[Viking01]

I have also seen comments about the greens type's in australia actively stopping fire burn backs. That to me is something that needs to be exposed by the MSM but of course they have the opposite narrative to push so thats probably not going to happen.

Yes, those Greens are a worry:

https://greens.org.au/bushfires

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-conspiracy-to-stop-bushfire-hazard-reduction

[MaxPenguin]

He should of come straight back from that holiday BUT you have two extremes....

You have Jacinda on one side who's going to run around actively looking for photo ops with hugs and hijabs. Everybody is different and im afraid that type of carry on doesnt wash with me (im sure it does with others). She doesnt know those people and will probably never communicate with them again after the photo op. To me its all just too disengenous to take seriously but people still do.

The one of morrison with the firefighter is telling..... theres a time to go actively looking for a photo op and getting embarrassed when someone doesnt shake your hand and there a time to look like you are out on the ground doing something to atleast look like your helping fix the issues. Scott is not Jacinda.... she might get away with that bullshit but he cant.

In both cases neither Jacinda or Scott are seeing the real picture imo. They are just looking for a political opportunity to gain mileage.

Leadership in the west is seriously lacking atm imo across the board. I feel Trump is still the only one that actually gets it.



I have also seen comments about the greens type's in australia actively stopping fire burn backs. That to me is something that needs to be exposed by the MSM but of course they have the opposite narrative to push so thats probably not going to happen. The aboriginals have known about fire burn backs since adam was a boy. Many people in Australia are actively linking up with aboriginal elders to get their experience in fire burn backs and why they do it. (I dont even think they need that as its blatantly obvious fire burn backs work if its done at the right time before things get out of control and under the right conditions).

People acting like bushfires are a new thing or the "biggest ever" are the neanderthals of human evolution we can look at our own glaciers here in NZ and see major bush fires raging in australia going back as far as we like. These current bush fires are nothing new. We just have more people and the internet to spread the propaganda further now.

Yes bushfires have been around forever, the issue is that there are houses, towns and lots of people in the way now.

[Viking01]

Only three days into the New Year, and two assassinations already:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/03/baghdad-airport-iraq-attack-deaths-iran-us-tensions

https://sputniknews.com/us/202001031077934642-i-just-shot-donald-trump-us-congressman-blasts-christmas-card-depicting-45s-assassination/

Some-one is definitely going to pay for that.

But despite the news, selected stocks on the US share market responded positively. Oil prices spiked slightly, and US defence company stocks rose as well, so all is not lost:

https://sputniknews.com/business/202001041077936344-us-stock-markets-fall-in-aftermath-of-iranian-general-assassination-troop-deployments/

[austingtir]

Only three days into the New Year, and two assassinations already:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/03/baghdad-airport-iraq-attack-deaths-iran-us-tensions

https://sputniknews.com/us/202001031077934642-i-just-shot-donald-trump-us-congressman-blasts-christmas-card-depicting-45s-assassination/

Some-one is definitely going to pay for that.

But despite the news, selected stocks on the US share market responded positively. Oil prices spiked slightly, and US defence company stocks rose as well, so all is not lost:

https://sputniknews.com/business/202001041077936344-us-stock-markets-fall-in-aftermath-of-iranian-general-assassination-troop-deployments/


See how you fell for the MSM spinning the word Assassination?

Its hardly an assassination when the dude was attacking another countries embassy IN A FOREIGN COUNTRY!!!

He got what he deserved end of story.

[Viking01]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/deeper-story-behind-assassination-soleimani

[mashman]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/deeper-story-behind-assassination-soleimani

The underlying reason for the geopolitical instability.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a0zhc1y_Ns

[pritch]

Yes, those Greens are a worry:

https://greens.org.au/bushfires

https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2019/nov/12/is-there-really-a-green-conspiracy-to-stop-bushfire-hazard-reduction

Yeah, the fact that the season during which the controlled burns were normally done was nearly non- existent due to drought had no bearing on anything? The politicians know this but they lie, and the gullible believe them.

[PrincessBandit]

Internet headline this morning that Queenie is angrier with Harry than she is with Andrew. No doubt just another piece of clickbait (which I couldn't resist) as nowhere in the article did it say that at all. It was an opinion from the notorious "inside source" who said Lizzie would be angrier... Funny how "is" is actually "would be" ; and not a quote straight from the horses mouth (although who knows).

Got me thinking though - if it were genuinely true then how STUPID could that be! Ooh, let's see (a) young royal quickly losing any rank he had in The Firm standing up for himself or
(b) old fogey embroiled in an horrific train wreck sex scandal of epic proportions.
Golly, I wonder who is more deserving of Her Maj's anger - the spare (no longer required heir) grand son or the favourite son.....

[pritch]

It was an opinion from the notorious "inside source"

Another one they use is "sources close to the royal family" by which we are meant to assume they mean friends of the royals, but it actually refers to the journos themselves.

In days of yore this was referred to as journalists interviewing their typewriter.

[pritch]

But despite the news, selected stocks on the US share market responded positively. Oil prices spiked slightly, and US defence company stocks rose as well, so all is not lost:


The US Treasury also pumped another three billion worth of quantitative easing into the economy most of which went directly into the stock market. The current rate of quantitative easing is reportedly running at 12 times the rate it was when they were trying to recover from the General Financial Collapse.

For anyone unfamiliar with the term quantitative easing it used to be known as 'printing money'. It's artificially boosting the stock market but there may be a price to pay later.
Trump is hoping later means after the election.

[mashman]

Israel Defense Minister Wants 1 Million Israelis in West Bank (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/israel-defense-minister-wants-1-125432522.html)

"The West Bank is divided into three categories with varying levels of Palestinian autonomy. Jewish settlements are concentrated in Area C, where Israel retains nearly exclusive control. Israeli negotiators have pressed to include the heavily settled areas as part of sovereign Israel under any peace agreement, with land swaps for the Palestinians elsewhere.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu pledged to extend Israeli sovereignty to all West Bank settlements as he sought votes ahead of national elections last year. He’ll face an unprecedented third vote in less than 12 months on March 2."

And people vote for this type of cunt?

[Katman]

And people vote for this type of cunt?

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-announces-he-is-asking-knesset-for-immunity-from-prosecution/

[husaberg]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-announces-he-is-asking-knesset-for-immunity-from-prosecution/

Heres the charges
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-47409739
No idea if hes guilty, but it pales in comparison to trumps interference.
Putin would have done more over a weekend but neither of you two have any issues with old Vlad the should be in jailer now do you.

[oldrider]

We “slaughtered” Jeremy Corbyn, says Israel lobbyist:- https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/asa-winstanley/we-slaughtered-jeremy-corbyn-says-israel-lobbyist - :rolleyes:

[mashman]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-announces-he-is-asking-knesset-for-immunity-from-prosecution/

Just another war criminal. The world seems to be full of 'em.

[Viking01]

Amazing how a few missiles fired in the Middle East can distract attention from events like the US-China Trade war. And Brexit. And the FED Repo activities. But it looks like attention might shortly be switched back on one front at least:

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3045751/us-china-phase-one-trade-deal-modest-helpful-say-business

[oldrider]

Hundreds of Americans Become Foster Families to Ailing Senior Veterans, Opening Up Their Hearths and Homes:- :love: - https://needtoknow.news/2020/01/hundreds-of-americans-become-foster-families-to-ailing-senior-veterans-opening-up-their-hearths-and-homes/ - :heart:

Begs the question - Why are they veterans? :scratch:

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[Viking01]

The US Treasury also pumped another three billion worth of quantitative easing into the economy most of which went directly into the stock market. The current rate of quantitative easing is reportedly running at 12 times the rate it was when they were trying to recover from the General Financial Collapse.

For anyone unfamiliar with the term quantitative easing it used to be known as 'printing money'. It's artificially boosting the stock market but there may be a price to pay later.
Trump is hoping later means after the election.

Meanwhile, over the past three months, some other "quantitative easing" by the Fed has been quietly happening:

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/01/feds-balance-sheet-explodes-by-413-billion-in-119-days/

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2019/12/is-the-feds-3-trillion-in-loans-to-trading-houses-on-wall-street-legal/

[oldrider]

Nigel Farage@Nigel_Farage
We have just had our Union Jack flags removed from our desks in the European Parliament, by order of the President. :rolleyes: https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1216772963518832641?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow% 7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F Brexit? - :soon:

[Viking01]

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/10/what-the-us-wants-in-the-near-east-an-interview-with-the-saker/

[pritch]

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/01/10/what-the-us-wants-in-the-near-east-an-interview-with-the-saker/

It doesn't seem long since The US and Israel were concerned that Ahmadinejad, the then Iranian leader, saw himself as an instrument of God's will in bringing about the prophesied end days.

Now we've got three or more White House staff, including the Vice President and the Secretary of State who believe that the end days are upon us and they see themselves as instruments of God's will. The US is seemingly nowhere near as concerned about that as it should be.

Then there's Trump's spiritual advisor, this mad cow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w0kSkvusjI

[oldrider]

It doesn't seem long since The US and Israel were concerned that Ahmadinejad, the then Iranian leader, saw himself as an instrument of God's will in bringing about the prophesied end days.

Now we've got three or more White House staff, including the Vice President and the Secretary of State who believe that the end days are upon us and they see themselves as instruments of God's will. The US is seemingly nowhere near as concerned about that as it should be.

Then there's Trump's spiritual advisor, this mad cow:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w0kSkvusjI

Hmmm part of the Zionist plan to ridicule Christianity? - Apparently Trump converted to Judaism quite some time ago but it is kept quiet so as not to lose the Christian Zionist vote? :msn-wink:

[oldrider]

Achtung!: Nearly 50% of Germany's NewBorns are Not German? - https://russia-insider.com/en/achtung-nearly-50-germanys-newborns-are-not-german-excellent-educational-video/ri28161?ct=t(Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2 014)&mc_cid=b3765ce4c5&mc_eid=4030a10227 Coming to a world near you? :wait:


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[pritch]

Apparently Trump converted to Judaism quite some time ago ? :msn-wink:

Oooh that's a good rumour. Trouble is the MAGAts wouldn't believe it. Scientists, the FBI, CIA, experts, they don't believe any of them. They choose to believe a lying, conman, gameshow host, instead. Which sorta sums them up. It's a cult.

[pritch]

Nigel Farage@Nigel_Farage
We have just had our Union Jack flags removed from our desks in the European Parliament, by order of the President.

Storm in a teacup. Farage himself will be removed from his desk at the end of the month, with all the other Brit MEPs. He'll collect a pension, for which he never worked, but the members elected more recently will just be out on their arse.

[MaxPenguin]

Achtung!: Nearly 50% of Germany's NewBorns are Not German? - https://russia-insider.com/en/achtung-nearly-50-germanys-newborns-are-not-german-excellent-educational-video/ri28161?ct=t(Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2 014)&mc_cid=b3765ce4c5&mc_eid=4030a10227 Coming to a world near you? :wait:


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What's coming to a world near me? Racism?

[oldrider]

Can Google-owned YouTube get any more pathetic in its blatant censorship? Oh, yes. - https://twitter.com/davidicke/status/1218107796161429505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - They are the internet :Police: police.

[husaberg]

Can Google-owned YouTube get any more pathetic in its blatant censorship? Oh, yes. - https://twitter.com/davidicke/status/1218107796161429505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - They are the internet :Police: police.

its a privately owned channel if they dont want religious nutters on it hoping to profit off peoples weakness, bummer for you
What a brains trust they are missing out on.
A guy that believes hes the son of god and a half lizard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2MEN4-49dM&feature=emb_logo

[Viking01]

Ah Boris, you are such a joker.

Always willing to crack a joke or two, even on the sidelines of a conference trying to establish an arms embargo and to halt fighting:

https://southfront.org/boris-johnson-no-normalization-with-russia-until-its-current-regime-is-eliminated/

Just as well you're not trying and meddle in Russian politics, and to influence their future voting re constitutional changes.


By the way, with all the recent US huffing-and-puffing over Iran, the focus seems to have gone off Brexit. Due for January 31st.
So how is your Brexit preparation going ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-51161808

Given the success of the Brexit negotiations over the past 2-3 years, your accelerated 11 month schedule to conclude a UK-EU trade deal
sounds very ambitious. Is that the right word ? The EU spokesmen don't sound quite as optimistic:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deal-eu-uk-boris-johnson-timetable-a9287416.html

And a free trade deal with China as well ?

You don't think that China might be a little pre-occupied (with Don seeking a second US-China trade deal) ? Or will he likely either be
in prison, or simply be too busy preparing for the US 2020 election ?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jan/19/brexit-uk-trade-deal-china-us-compromise

Exciting times ahead. And we're only 3 weeks into 2020.

[Edit]

Only one day later, and Boris is off wooing another group:

https://www.dw.com/en/boris-johnson-seeks-to-woo-african-leaders-in-lead-up-to-brexit/a-52073311

[Viking01]

Since the grounding of the 737MAX, Boeing have developed a habit of issuing "optimistic" estimates of when their 737MAX might return to service.

After:
- the appointment of a new head to FAA (Dickson, ex pilot), who went out of his way to publicly castigate Boeing for this behaviour
- the recent firing of Boeing CEO Muilenburg at the end of 2019,
you might have expected Boeing management and PR to have pulled back on unilaterally issuing "optimistic estimates" as to when the 737 MAX might return to service.

Since then, there has been publication of comments by Boeing staff critical of technical management:

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2019/11/faa-pushes-back-on-boeing-pressure-to-recertify-737-max-by-year-end-agency-also-considering-major-revamp-of-certification-process.html

plus some newly identified issues such as wiring (which could have had serious consequence):

https://southfront.org/new-potentially-catastrophic-wiring-issues-found-in-boeing-737-max/

Even as recently as yesterday, there was an article talking about "new software fixes" preventing the 737MAX flight control software from firing up, as well as the related impact of the prolonged grounding upon related suppliers:

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/737-max-fix-causes-entire-computer-system-to-crash-ytUsOcPkoE64ZsQi3msYVw

But today, Boeing do it yet again:

https://sputniknews.com/business/202001211078097247-boeing-expects-trouble-737-max-to-return-to-flight-during-mid-2020/

Though the stock market may not be readily believing:

https://www.investors.com/news/boeing-stock-slips-737-max-rival-airbus-a320-sees-unprecedented-demand/

Investor or political pressure ? Prevent bleed of orders to Airbus ? Just slow learners (or fools) ?

[Edit]
In the last article above, there was mention of Boeing approaching banks in order to secure a loan of $10 billion. Which is interesting in light of the following:

https://wolfstreet.com/2020/01/20/after-blowing-43-bn-on-share-buybacks-in-6-years-boeing-scrambles-to-borrow-10-bn-on-top-of-the-9-5-bn-credit-line-it-got-in-oct-to-fund-the-surging-costs-of-its-737-max-fiasco/

[Viking01]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/118977036/monty-python-star-terry-jones-died-at-77

Hopefully a quick passage through the pearly gates ...

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/118977036/monty-python-star-terry-jones-died-at-77

Hopefully a quick passage through the pearly gates ...

No doubt dressed in Drag.

[Viking01]

No doubt dressed in Drag.

Yes, very likely.

https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/features/terry-jones-death-monty-python-michael-palin-terry-gilliam-john-cleese-a9296976.html

Good to see that the article also makes mention of "Erik the Viking" ... 8-)

[Edit]

https://off-guardian.org/2020/01/22/rest-in-peace-terry-jones/

[Viking01]

Of course it does not cause you any harm.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/oil-gas-fracking-radioactive-investigation-937389/

[Edit]

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/01/this-problem-with-fracked-oil-and-gas-wells-is-occurring-at-an-alarming-rate.html

[oldrider]

CORONAVIRUS is a Patented Virus? - :scratch: - Why? - https://usahitman.com/coronavirus-patented-virus/ - :rolleyes: - Really?

[MaxPenguin]

CORONAVIRUS is a Patented Virus? - :scratch: - Why? - https://usahitman.com/coronavirus-patented-virus/ - :rolleyes: - Really?

Try doing some research into why it is patented. It's actually quite boring.

[MaxPenguin]

CORONAVIRUS is a Patented Virus? - :scratch: - Why? - https://usahitman.com/coronavirus-patented-virus/ - :rolleyes: - Really?

Try doing some research into why it's patented. It quite boring really.

[pritch]

This guy is ready for any virus.

[Viking01]

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/01/25/belmarsh-inmates-prove-more-ethical-than-entire-western-empire/

[mashman]

Kiwi kids needs to be better with money - here's 10 ways to make that happen (https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/opinion-analysis/119019132/kiwi-kids-needs-to-be-better-with-money--heres-10-steps-to-make-that-happen)... lemmings.

[mashman]

Venezuela Weighs Privatizing Oil in Face of Economic Free Fall (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/venezuela-weighs-privatizing-oil-faces-181133131.html)... good game well played everyone, bring those fuckers into line.

[Viking01]

https://www.globalresearch.ca/real-money-behind-new-green-agenda/5702027

[oldrider]

10 characters.
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[mashman]

https://www.globalresearch.ca/real-money-behind-new-green-agenda/5702027

Protect the ownership of production as wealth shifts East. Greenwashing is one tactic that serves that purpose... especially when it's done behind closed doors and by the current owners of production. The outcomes are predictable where the owners of production set the pace for the next 10+ years.

[TheDemonLord]

Protect the ownership of production as wealth shifts East. Greenwashing is one tactic that serves that purpose... especially when it's done behind closed doors and by the current owners of production. The outcomes are predictable where the owners of production set the pace for the next 10+ years.

I love that with time, you sound more and more like the Communist that you secretly are.

[oldrider]

The story of how everyone has a strawman created for them at birth and how it is used to collect revenue for your government. A fun and informative animation made in the spirit of freedom. Please spread and upload with credits intact also link back to our channel if you do.
http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/

Look here for YouTube article:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_400Zk1Rsk&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1WWCytgXEv5AYNg1wBBA-i4yrFHnHf3KqSqOLb_ViiXM4o00NytCf6l4I


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[husaberg]

The story of how everyone has a strawman created for them at birth and how it is used to collect revenue for your government. A fun and informative animation made in the spirit of freedom. Please spread and upload with credits intact also link back to our channel if you do.
http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/

Look here for YouTube article:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_400Zk1Rsk&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1WWCytgXEv5AYNg1wBBA-i4yrFHnHf3KqSqOLb_ViiXM4o00NytCf6l4I


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A video about reducing debt whats to keep the credit for it? You have to appreciate the irony of that.:nya:

[mashman]

The story of how everyone has a strawman created for them at birth and how it is used to collect revenue for your government. A fun and informative animation made in the spirit of freedom. Please spread and upload with credits intact also link back to our channel if you do.
http://www.getoutofdebtfree.org/

Ahhhh the sovereign being of it all. Reminds me of Akzle.

[mashman]

Katy Perry's shock royal gig announced (https://nz.yahoo.com/news/prince-charles-katy-perry-british-asian-trust-234513849.html)

[oldrider]

Posted this here FYI - Worth watching for a variety of reasons:- https://www.truthdig.com/articles/mexico-is-showing-the-world-how-to-defeat-neoliberalism/ - Kicking the Rothschild rice bowl? - Ouch? :bash: - or just more of the same old same old? - :wait:

[mashman]

You can't shut down RNZ Concert, it's my new favourite station (https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/119367777/you-cant-shut-rnz-concert-down-its-my-new-favourite-station)... won't someone think of the childr, I mean radio show.

[oldrider]

How Low Can Israelis Go? -:confused: - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52964.htm - :Oi: - Not everyone in the world is happy about this - it seems? - :no:

[Bonez]

How Low Can Israelis Go? -:confused: - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52964.htm - :Oi: - Not everyone in the world is happy about this - it seems? - :no:Of course pritch eh al, aka The Bozos, will say this is Russian propaganda.

[oldrider]

Of course pritch eh al, aka The Bozos, will say this is Russian propaganda.

Well, I happen to know pritch and while we may not agree politically I would vouch for his character as a person and he is certainly no bozo - but hey this is KB and anything goes I spose? :whistle:

[austingtir]

Well, I happen to know pritch and while we may not agree politically I would vouch for his character as a person and he is certainly no bozo - but hey this is KB and anything goes I spose? :whistle:

Cliffs = TDS does strange things to people.

[Bonez]

Well, I happen to know pritch and while we may not agree politically I would vouch for his character as a person and he is certainly no bozo - but hey this is KB and anything goes I spose? :whistle:He has already qualified for The Bozo Club. 5 members now and rising.

[oldrider]

The Bozo Club. 5 members now and rising.

Bozo club training session video? - (Sound does assist) - https://twitter.com/i/status/1227345078252965888 - Bonez initiation remake?

[Viking01]

MLK had a dream, or maybe a vision.

It's even been said Boris may have had visions in the past:

https://politicshome.com/news/uk/political-parties/conservative-party/boris-johnson/news/109865/jeremy-corbyn-attacks-boris

His more recent vision has certainly attracted plenty of attention and comment:

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3050240/boris-johnson-wants-build-35km-sea-bridge-scotland-northern

Meanwhile in the US, Don is accused of not being visionary enough:

https://apnews.com/180a4d5c15fad6d3258cbdec381e7d3b

But at least Boris and Don are consistent in one respect, with Boris now following Don's recent lead:

https://www.france24.com/en/20200213-british-pm-appoints-rishi-sunak-as-finance-minister-amid-cabinet-shakeup

[Edit]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/13/reshuffle-power-no-10-sajid-javid-boris-johnson-cabinet

[mashman]

His more recent vision has certainly attracted plenty of attention and comment:

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3050240/boris-johnson-wants-build-35km-sea-bridge-scotland-northern

He should build 2 of them and go via the IOM. That'd pump money into the Irish and English economy's... as well as locating the access point to a place more that's more central in relation to the rest of the economy. How else do you get money into a dying economy these days that doesn't involve the stock market or helicopter money.........

[oldrider]

2005 China Defense Minister Speech: Bio-Weapons Will Clean-up America for China Invasion:- https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/en/news-page/news-nation/2005-china-defense-minister-speech-bio-weapons-will-clean-up-america-for-china-invasion - :shifty: - Orchestrated? - :scratch: - Will we ever know? - :wait:

[Quote] A well-known speech by Comrade General Chi Haotian, Vice-Chairman Of China’s Military Commission, December, 2005 gives the world insight into the truth. Here are some excerpts to prove that the Chinese openly discussed using biological warfare not only against the US, but on their own people.[Unquote]

[Quote] Hal Turner Remarks: It is interesting that here we are, fifteen years later, and China is suffering what has been determined to be the release of a Bio-weapon from its Level-4 Bio-Research Laboratory in Wuhan.

Did they intend to use this on us?

With Shanghai and Beijing both going to FULL MARTIAL LAW today, February 13, is it possible they are still actually preparing to use it against us? Infecting their own people as a prelude to massive INTENTIONAL release inside the USA? Call it "an outbreak?" Make it LOOK like an accident?

There may be much more going on with this "Coronavirus" outbreak, than meets the eye. Stay vigilant. [Unquote]

[oldrider]

Chaos Is Coming: US To Start Testing People With Flu Symptoms:- :doctor: - https://www.zerohedge.com/health/chaos-coming-us-start-testing-people-flu-symptoms - :rolleyes:

[Viking01]

I see that Don has managed to get some additional money to fund his Mexican wall :

https://www.france24.com/en/20200213-pentagon-shifts-3-8-billion-towards-building-mexico-border-wall
https://apnews.com/1689fa48a2e177d1f397b95ff0cb97db

Don, that's all well and good, but I think that the opposition are up to the challenge:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/brilliant-new-5-34-ladder-defeats-not-so-brilliant-2-5-billion-trump-fever-dream/5703979

[Bonez]

Are the Russians still coming? Or have the Bozos given up on that now?

[oldrider]

The United States Is in Syria Illegally as a Proxy for Israel and Saudi Arabia:- http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/53012.htm - Interesting - or not? - :corn:

[quote] Professor John Mearsheimer of the University of Chicago and Stephen Walt, academic dean at Harvard University ‘s Kennedy School of Government, describe WINEP as “part of the core” of the Israel Lobby in the U.S.
They examined the group on pages 175-6 in their groundbreaking book The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy and concluded as follows:

“Although WINEP plays down its links to Israel and claims that it provides a ‘balanced and realistic’ perspective on Middle East issues, this is not the case. In fact, WINEP is funded and run by individuals who are deeply committed to advancing Israel’s agenda … Many of its personnel are genuine scholars or experienced former officials, but they are hardly neutral observers on most Middle East issues and there is little diversity of views within WINEP’s ranks.”

In early 2018 Jeffrey co-authored a WINEP special report on Syria which urged “…the Trump administration [to] couple a no-fly/no-drive zone and a small residual ground presence in the northeast with intensified sanctions against the Assad regime’s Iranian patron.
In doing so, Washington can support local efforts to stabilize the area, encourage Gulf partners to ‘put skin in the game, drive a wedge between Moscow and Tehran, and help Israel avoid all-out war.”

Note the focus on Iran and Russia as threats and the referral to Assad and his government as a “regime.” And the U.S. presence is to “help Israel.” So we have Ambassador James Jeffrey leading the charge on Syria, from an Israeli perspective that is no doubt compatible with the White House view, which explains why he has become Special Representative for Syria Engagement. [Unquote]

[oldrider]

The mass escape from China has begun through unpatrolled borders. - https://twitter.com/HappeningNow__/status/1230224814536675329?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow% 7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - Mix and match until there is but a grey world without national identity or loyalty to aspire to? :confused:

Except perchance the - NWO? :msn-wink: - Whoever would have thought of that? :shifty:

[oldrider]

Billions of Socialists invade East Africa! - :msn-wink: ...................... Full story here:- https://strangesounds.org/2020/02/east-africa-catastrophic-locust-invasion-biblical-plague-video.html


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[mashman]

Chinese Companies Say They Can’t Afford to Pay Workers Now (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/chinese-companies-t-afford-pay-020241284.html)... then pay them what they were going to be paid anyway and you won't have the associated financial fallout simply because a few people caught a cold. It's called Virtualising Production.

[oldrider]

Dear old England? - Where have all the Pommies gone? - :scratch: - https://twitter.com/MarkACollett/status/1230937506654359553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow% 7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - :done: - NEXT? :msn-wink:

[MaxPenguin]

Dear old England? - Where have all the Pommies gone? - :scratch: - https://twitter.com/MarkACollett/status/1230937506654359553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow% 7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - :done: - NEXT? :msn-wink:

Well maybe it's payback to a country that went around the world and fucked up every indigenous culture it came across.

[oldrider]

Well maybe it's payback to a country that went around the world and fucked up every indigenous culture it came across.

"The mighty empire upon which the sun never set". :sunny: Born under her flag watched it diminish to a mere flicker and finally snuff out completely, all within less than a single lifetime? - Magic? or by design? :shutup: ..... :wait:

[Viking01]

https://www.thenational.ae/world/oceania/the-bushfires-are-out-but-will-australia-act-on-climate-change-1.979208

https://sputniknews.com/asia/202002211078374520-australia-confirms-726-million-base-upgrade-for-us-troops-amid-growing-tensions-with-china/

[pritch]

https://sputniknews.com/asia/202002211078374520-australia-confirms-726-million-base-upgrade-for-us-troops-amid-growing-tensions-with-china/

Politicians and their need to grab a headline... I'd have thought it might have been better just to get on with the work and not say too much. Defence matters should not necessarily all be immediately communicated to the world. That this report is from Sputnik, a Russian owned news organisation, makes it just a little more ironic.

During the Falklands War Thatcher announced that there were SAS on the ground in Argentina. If there were, I'm sure they'd have appreciated their PM telling the world, and the Argentinians in particular, that they were there.

[mashman]

https://www.thenational.ae/world/oceania/the-bushfires-are-out-but-will-australia-act-on-climate-change-1.979208

https://sputniknews.com/asia/202002211078374520-australia-confirms-726-million-base-upgrade-for-us-troops-amid-growing-tensions-with-china/

The future is scary. It's ok, we're armed to face it.

[eldog]

Armed with cotton balls

[scumdog]

He has already qualified for The Bozo Club. 5 members now and rising.


What do the subs cost to join up to the club?

Do you get a club jacket and is there a blood initiation ceremony?


(Asking for a friend):whistle:

[Bonez]

What do the subs cost to join up to the club?

Do you get a club jacket and is there a blood initiation ceremony?


(Asking for a friend):whistle:Lol He needs to buy a Super Man signet ring first.

[Viking01]

https://off-guardian.org/2020/02/24/the-nobel-peace-prize-is-a-sick-joke/

Don, I really thought that this was going to be "your year". You know, MAGA ("make another gratuitous award"), or in your case, to receive one. That would have kept Obama and the Dems quiet for a while.

It's not as if you didn't make an effort.

Trying to establish friendly relations with Russia, and then having the political establishment start up that Mueller enquiry (and threaten to impeach you, no less).

All that efforts spent in trying to bring the troops back home from Syria and Afghanistan, only to have the MIC overrule you again. Wasted.

But I guess that when they threaten to drive their tanks down the middle of your golf fairways, well, every man has his breaking point and has to know when to give in.

Mind you, you didn't do yourself any favours, either. Going over to Europe and trying to shake down all the NATO members to increase their military expenditure. That wasn't such a sharp move. It would have been much better to leave that to Mike P (not only because of his CIA links, but it would have also allowed you some plausible deniability). Doing it yourself - well, now it has all your little fingerprints all over it.

Look, if all else fails, quietly threaten to impose sanctions on the Nobel Prize Committee members. Seems to work elsewhere around the world.

Better luck next year.

[husaberg]

https://off-guardian.org/2020/02/24/the-nobel-peace-prize-is-a-sick-joke/

Don, I really thought that this was going to be "your year". You know, MAGA ("make another gratuitous award"), or in your case, to receive one. That would have kept Obama and the Dems quiet for a while.

It's not as if you didn't make an effort.

Trying to establish friendly relations with Russia, and then having the political establishment start up that Mueller enquiry (and threaten to impeach you, no less).

All that efforts spent in trying to bring the troops back home from Syria and Afghanistan, only to have the MIC overrule you again. Wasted.

But I guess that when they threaten to drive their tanks down the middle of your golf fairways, well, every man has his breaking point and has to know when to give in.

Mind you, you didn't do yourself any favours, either. Going over to Europe and trying to shake down all the NATO members to increase their military expenditure. That wasn't such a sharp move. It would have been much better to leave that to Mike P (not only because of his CIA links, but it would have also allowed you some plausible deniability). Doing it yourself - well, now it has all your little fingerprints all over it.

Look, if all else fails, quietly threaten to impose sanctions on the Nobel Prize Committee members. Seems to work elsewhere around the world.

Better luck next year.


Being mates with Epstein likely didn't help...........

[Katman]

Being mates with Epstein likely didn't help...........

Are we talking about the guy who didn't kill himself?

[Berries]

During the Falklands War Thatcher announced that there were SAS on the ground in Argentina. If there were, I'm sure they'd have appreciated their PM telling the world, and the Argentinians in particular, that they were there.
Well they shat their pants when told the Gurkhas were on their way so I guess there was a reason.


Many years later, after Argentina's surrender to Britain in the 1982 Falklands War, Argentine troops told reporters that rumors of the Gurkhas slitting the throats of 40 Argentine soldiers in single strokes and of Gurkhas jumping into enemy foxholes with live grenades gave them the jitters and seriously shattered their morale.

[husaberg]

Are we talking about the guy who didn't kill himself?

We are not talking about anything Stevo
You must be referring to the voices in your head again.

[husaberg]

Politicians and their need to grab a headline... I'd have thought it might have been better just to get on with the work and not say too much. Defence matters should not necessarily all be immediately communicated to the world. That this report is from Sputnik, a Russian owned news organisation, makes it just a little more ironic.

During the Falklands War Thatcher announced that there were SAS on the ground in Argentina. If there were, I'm sure they'd have appreciated their PM telling the world, and the Argentinians in particular, that they were there.
They knew they were there at least for a while as they tracked them on radar
the Argies claimed to have shelled an invisible UK submarine and shot at a helicopter over the Mainland.
None of which happened.
Operation Plum Duff.
The mission that didn't quite go as planned but it had have diverted a lot of resources. AS i am sure they hunted for the invisible SAS

It also turned out it was easier to get the French to turn off the exocet's guidance with the US's helpanyway.
Mikado was a pretty bold plan, real comic book stuff. it would have been practically a suicide mission.
they had no proper maps one was decribed as being torn out of an atlas an the other a WW2 survey map stolen form a University.

[mashman]

NCEA changes: Teachers overwhelmingly reject 'extremely dramatic' proposal (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12311797)

... the dumbing down of a nation :shifty:... or just a natural consequence of a widely varied world demanding workers that have no background in science, and indeed an education system that simply isn't designed keep up with the variations of workers required. Hmmmmmm, tricky. Both.......

[TheDemonLord]

NCEA changes: Teachers overwhelmingly reject 'extremely dramatic' proposal (https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12311797)

... the dumbing down of a nation :shifty:... or just a natural consequence of a widely varied world demanding workers that have no background in science, and indeed an education system that simply isn't designed keep up with the variations of workers required. Hmmmmmm, tricky. Both.......

Or - I think this line is most telling:


"Classics is a broad foundational subject that introduces students to the history of Western civilisation. It touches on art, literature, philosophy, religion and we just don't understand why the subject which is probably the very definition of the foundations of Western literature and Western education would be chopped."

If you add in Science as well, removing those is undermining the West itself.

[Katman]

If you add in Science as well, removing those is undermining the West itself.

Ooooh.......I love a good conspiracy.

[TheDemonLord]

Ooooh.......I love a good conspiracy.

Except the people that are pushing that crap aren't exactly hiding the fact that they hate the west.

They are pretty open about it, in their University Lectures.

I'm not sure you can call it a Conspiracy when they outright state it.

[oldrider]

The ten most obese countries on earth?:- :Oops: https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/1234949252977217541?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - How did they work that out? :kick::thud: - Really?

[mashman]

Global rescue plan for nature 'overlooks genetic diversity' (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51754772)... maybe they should try stopping the behaviours that treat nature as a bottomless pit... tui.

[MaxPenguin]

Global rescue plan for nature 'overlooks genetic diversity' (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-51754772)... maybe they should try stopping the behaviours that treat nature as a bottomless pit... tui.

You just need to check out the anti 1080 morons who only give a fuck about what is relevant to them I.e the deer and pig population. Yes they pretend to care about keas, but they really don't.

[mashman]

You just need to check out the anti 1080 morons who only give a fuck about what is relevant to them I.e the deer and pig population. Yes they pretend to care about keas, but they really don't.

Yeah, but almost everyone only gives a fuck about what is relevant to them innit, so nothing really new there. It is what keeps us divided. The perfect panopticon. Society policing society using nothing more than mob opinion as evidence and weight of lobby numbers directing policy (coz we're "all" relevant to "me" fiends). In relation to 1080, nature wasn't overrun by predators before humans arrived. In a similar vein, forest was diverse before humans arrived. Yet here we are, nature supposedly being overrun by pests, forestry mono-culture, and all of us competing for a portion of financial the greater pie with which to get what's relevant fixed. They care. It's just that everything else isn't high on their priority list... like human beings and sustainability ha ha ha haaaaaaaa...

“Anything else you’re interested in is not going to happen if you can’t breathe the air and drink the water. Don’t sit this one out. Do something. You are by accident of fate alive at an absolutely critical moment in the history of our planet.” - Carl Sagan (said approx 50 years ago).

As an aside... do you reckon that vegans will fight for the soil when they realise that it is being depleted to keep them fed ;)

[oldrider]

March 07, 2020 "Information Clearing House" - There is real power in the word “No.” - :oi-grr: - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/53080.htm - When you don’t owe anyone anything you are free to tell them, “No.” - :done:

[Katman]

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/wellington-café-says-crass-fitzsimons-message-was-misinterpreted/ar-BB10SGId?ocid=spartanntp

This sort of back-tracking is worthy of some of the fucking morons on here.

[husaberg]

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/national/wellington-café-says-crass-fitzsimons-message-was-misinterpreted/ar-BB10SGId?ocid=spartanntp

This sort of back-tracking is worthy of some of the fucking morons on here.

Like the time you claimed farmers send 100kg plus rodeo calves to the works when the works don't accept cattle this size.
Or that time you claimed there was numerous alternatives to 1080 on the vast inaccessible areas of NZ and then couldn't name one.
Or that time you posted a engine (the Geet)that was a well known fraud that was supposed to run on coffee or water and you refused to admit it was a made up piece of shit.
Or that time you claimed there were no gas chambers at in German concentration camps when even the two convicted fraudsters you quoted as being proof admitted there were.
Or that time you kept claiming ad nausea the WTC buildings fell at free-fall speed when the clearly did not
Or that time you claimed they collapsed into their own footprints when they clearly did not.
Or that time when you quoted a policman as saying something he clearly did not, about United Airlines Flight 93
Or that time you claimed a an engine was found to be a distance away from the crash site when it was less than a third of that distance.
Or that time you claiming passports were never found intact after a high speed impact like 911 when they commonly are.
Or that time you claimed the UFA investigation was independent or full or transparent, when it was clearly none of these.

[Viking01]

Like the time you claimed farmers send 100kg plus rodeo calves to the works when the works don't accept cattle this size.
Or that time you claimed there was numerous alternatives to 1080 on the vast inaccessible areas of NZ and then couldn't name one.
Or that time you posted a engine (the Geet)that was a well known fraud that was supposed to run on coffee or water and you refused to admit it was a made up piece of shit.
Or that time you claimed there were no gas chambers at in German concentration camps when even the two convicted fraudsters you quoted as being proof admitted there were.

Or that time you kept claiming ad nausea the WTC buildings fell at free-fall speed when the clearly did not
Or that time you claimed they collapsed into their own footprints when they clearly did not.

Or that time when you quoted a police as saying something he clearly did not, about United Airlines Flight 93
Or that time you claimed a an engine was found to be a distance away from the crash site when it was less than a third of that distance.
Or that time you claiming passports were never found intact after a high speed impact like 911 when they commonly are.
Or that time you claimed the UFA investigation was independent or full or transparent, when it was clearly none of these.

Re the two points on 911 WTC building collapse:

https://www.911tap.org/evidence/what-about-freefall/882-what-about-freefall/623-physics-wtc7-freefall-by-david-chandler
http://www.911history.de/aaannxyz_ch01_en.html#autoid891273/

The physical evidence still continues to argue near-free-fall collapse, and collapse virtually onto its own footprint.
Certainly clearly for WTC7. The least impacted of all the buildings.

[husaberg]

Re the two points on 911 WTC building collapse:

https://www.911tap.org/evidence/what-about-freefall/882-what-about-freefall/623-physics-wtc7-freefall-by-david-chandler
http://www.911history.de/aaannxyz_ch01_en.html#autoid891273/

The physical evidence still continues to argue near-free-fall collapse, and collapse virtually onto its own footprint.
Certainly clearly for WTC7. The least impacted of all the buildings.

Near and virtually are not words that describe a definite scenario now are they.
Example if you nearly scored a try does that get points awarded on the scoreboard.
there was 6 points on WTC
Come back with some comments when it they actually fall at free fall speed, or the WTC towers actually collapse into their own footprints.
The Twin Towers collapse was about ⅔ (two-thirds) of free-fall. And the core collapsed at about 40% of free-fall speed.


Three buildings fell in a perfect implosion into their own footprint - in a manner that demolition experts would dream to be able to replicate..
https://www.metabunk.org/data/attachments/1/1461-0d2908846298ad208e471f8e74db78e7.jpghttps://www.metabunk.org/data/MetaMirrorCache/contrailscience.com_skitch_Air_0992.jpg_20130303_1 62232.jpg


the fact that Building 7 fell at freefall speed


can bring an entire building down uniformly at freefall speed?


Building 7 fell at freefall speed


could bring a building down uniformly at freefall speed?


Yet it collapsed uniformly at freefall speed .

[mashman]

Hundreds of billions of $ vanish because man catches cold. It really don't get much more stupid.

[pritch]

Hundreds of billions of $ vanish because man catches cold. It really don't get much more stupid.

You are right, but not for the reason you seem to think.

[Katman]

Hundreds of billions of $ vanish because man catches cold. It really don't get much more stupid.

You've got to admit - it's a pretty good plan though.

[sidecar bob]

You've got to admit - it's a pretty good plan though.

So cunning you could pin a tail on it and call it a Weasel.

[mashman]

You are right, but not for the reason you seem to think.

I stated an overarching cause... but in the name of entertainment, what reason do you think I think?


You've got to admit - it's a pretty good plan though.

Privatise profit. Socialise everything else. It's certainly not a new plan, but absolutely, it's a pretty good plan given that so few are critically aware enough to see it for what it is. Just waiting for the low price of oil to filter through to the pump :killingme

[mashman]

"We're being robbed" :killingme........ still cracks me up. You've always been getting robbed, this is how the markets work.

But what about the people who are living week to week on shit money that are likely to lose their jobs due to lost productivity? "Ah well, unlucky for them, that's how the markets work"

The intelligent never cease to display just how dumb they actually are.

[oldrider]

"We're being robbed" :killingme........ still cracks me up. You've always been getting robbed, this is how the markets work.

But what about the people who are living week to week on shit money that are likely to lose their jobs due to lost productivity? "Ah well, unlucky for them, that's how the markets work"

The intelligent never cease to display just how dumb they actually are.

True! - Them and the aged infirm and perhaps very young are the targets of the "population control" efforts to get the population back down to their (500,000,000?)??? target - they are relentless in their bid for control. :rolleyes:

[mashman]

True! - Them and the aged infirm and perhaps very young are the targets of the "population control" efforts to get the population back down to their (500,000,000?)??? target - they are relentless in their bid for control. :rolleyes:

It is a simple failing of humanity and his love of "every man for himself" that such games can be played. Stockholm Syndrome. Indoctrination. Culturalisation. Whatever we decide to call it, it all boils down to the one thing. Feeble minds follow feeble minds blindly, so long as they quack like a duck.

[oldrider]

It is a simple failing of humanity and his love of "every man for himself" that such games can be played. Stockholm Syndrome. Indoctrination. Culturalisation. Whatever we decide to call it, it all boils down to the one thing. Feeble minds follow feeble minds blindly, so long as they quack like a duck.

To be fair though - I think they quack in code? :msn-wink:

[mashman]

To be fair though - I think they quack in code? :msn-wink:

I dunno if I'd call dumping ones brain at the first sight of something that someone else calls authority should be allowed to fall into the category of fairness... especially given that the outcomes aren't encoded, yet the support remains. They are because We aren't.

[oldrider]

I dunno if I'd call dumping ones brain at the first sight of something that someone else calls authority should be allowed to fall into the category of fairness... especially given that the outcomes aren't encoded, yet the support remains. They are because We aren't.

Bloody hell they are really going for it now according to the radio "news" the plan is working for them without even having to try - they are very good at what they do - we really suck! :rolleyes:

[mashman]

Bloody hell they are really going for it now according to the radio "news" the plan is working for them without even having to try - they are very good at what they do - we really suck! :rolleyes:

What was the wireless saying?

"They" don't need to do anything outside of maintaining the status quo til the gig is up, that's all "they" have ever had to do given that society polices itself using "their" rules (panopticon). Then, "they" simply step away. Will this time be any different from the last times? They are because We aren't, still. The balance of probability thus far says no, we're fucked. "They" are shit at what they do. "We" are good at it on "their" behalf. So yeah, that makes us exceptionally sucky. But hey, people are busy :wari:

[Katman]

- we really suck!

I'm hoping the Coronavirus takes the really fucking dumb ones.

[mashman]

I'm hoping the Coronavirus takes the really fucking dumb ones.

Wow... this really is going to be My planet.

[oldrider]

What can we do to stop living in fear? - Excellent solution here! - https://twitter.com/downunderabc123/status/1237167006035542016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - CLICK! - Off switch - novel idea? :done:

[mashman]

What can we do to stop living in fear? - Excellent solution here! - https://twitter.com/downunderabc123/status/1237167006035542016?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - CLICK! - Off switch - novel idea? :done:

Coz if you can't see it, it isn't happening. Yes, excellent solution. Up there with burning books... and an excellent behaviour that allows creating slave economies without anyone noticing a piece of piss... because no one is looking :killingme... poetic in ways.

[mashman]

Honestly, I read the first 5 or 6 paragraphs and it didn't get any better than the first one below. He won't vote for the administration that he believes would be best for the country, because he doesn't like the guy (Trump) selected to do just one of the jobs out of the tens of millions of jobs that make up that government that best fits his views.

SERIOUSLY FUCKING STUPID!

The Trump Presidency Is Over (https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/peter-wehner-trump-presidency-over/607969/)

"When, in January 2016, I wrote that despite being a lifelong Republican who worked in the previous three GOP administrations, I would never vote for Donald Trump, even though his administration would align much more with my policy views than a Hillary Clinton presidency would, a lot of my Republican friends were befuddled. How could I not vote for a person who checked far more of my policy boxes than his opponent?"

[mashman]

Must be time for a debt jubilee soon, coz creating money is getting a bit expensive.

[oldrider]

Snippits and snappits - http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/ - Stupid fucking world is an understatement currently? :wacko:

[mashman]

Come onnnnnnnnn, borrow the emergency money already. What's the hold up? It's numbers on a keyboard into an account and people clearly need it. You've said 20 billion, make it 80 just to be on the safe side, coz we had a rockstar economy when the blues borrowed 80 billion............

[mashman]

Coronavirus: Lockdowns continue to suppress European pollution (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52065140)

"Lockdown polices and the resulting reductions in economic activity have seen emissions take a steep dive."

3 guesses what a move towards sustainability is going to look like. Everything else is bullshit... somewhat satirically, bullshit that you guys want to see started up again :laugh:

[Bonez]

The Army lads are setting up barriers around Palmy. I'll send my spies out later on to sus them out. Sucks to be them at the moment as it is pissing down outside at the moment. Quite cozy in the conservatory and the shed though.... Pantry topped up as well.,,,:rolleyes:

[Gearup]

Coronavirus: Lockdowns continue to suppress European pollution (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52065140)

"Lockdown polices and the resulting reductions in economic activity have seen emissions take a steep dive."

3 guesses what a move towards sustainability is going to look like. Everything else is bullshit... somewhat satirically, bullshit that you guys want to see started up again :laugh:


Good to see, it's like the Earth's getting a well deserved break. Bit of a piss off that it takes something like Covid-19 to do it though.

[MaxPenguin]

Coronavirus: Lockdowns continue to suppress European pollution (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52065140)

"Lockdown polices and the resulting reductions in economic activity have seen emissions take a steep dive."

3 guesses what a move towards sustainability is going to look like. Everything else is bullshit... somewhat satirically, bullshit that you guys want to see started up again :laugh:

You guys? That's very divisive, not to mention a massive generalisation.

[mashman]

You guys? That's very divisive, not to mention a massive generalisation.

Awwwwww pet lamb. Still not able to handle blatantly obvious observation without the need to project someone else's judgement onto a thing? You dishonour Penguins everywhere. I've yet to hear many people state that they don't want to get back to work so that they can earn some more bits of planet, I mean money. Massive generalisation? You must be bogan.

[mashman]

Good to see, it's like the Earth's getting a well deserved break. Bit of a piss off that it takes something like Covid-19 to do it though.

I'm waiting for people to click to the fact that the fast acting virus has done exactly what is slowly happening on multiple economic fronts in the background. But coz it happens slowly and only leaves people homeless and starving and not dead, it isn't an issue lol. Maybe we'll learn.

[Bonez]

Awwwwww pet lamb. Still not able to handle blatantly obvious observation without the need to project someone else's judgement onto a thing? You dishonour Penguins everywhere. I've yet to hear many people state that they don't want to get back to work so that they can earn some more bits of planet, I mean money. Massive generalisation? You must be bogan.You are instulting bogons everywere.:rolleyes:

[mashman]

You are instulting bogons everywere.:rolleyes:

Heh... that is not my intention, but is most definitely an expected bonus.

Some people just can't help themselves but to "shoot" the messenger that's passing on the truth... because I hurt them with the truth :killingme.

[oldrider]

KiwiRail goes past the back of us - very small trains - often just light engines coupled together - main highway through traffic is getting less and less by the day? - is this an indicator of the state of the economy? - :bye:

[mashman]

KiwiRail goes past the back of us - very small trains - often just light engines coupled together - main highway through traffic is getting less and less by the day? - is this an indicator of the state of the economy? - :bye:

It's ok, they're saying on the telly that the economy will bounce back more quickly than from the GFC... at some point, some time, once people who are in non-essential jobs start getting enough money for discretionary spending again. Fortunately: sheeple :shifty:

[mashman]

Helicopter money: The time is now (https://voxeu.org/article/helicopter-money-time-now)... this is what happens when you treat the planet as an externality instead of a parameter in all economic calculations i.e. the stupid of today continue to blindly follow the stupid of yesterday despite the evidence that their past stupidity has brought with it the issues of today.

It is a stupid world when they can't figure out how to get money to people. We can print it for all sorts of reasons, just not for life purposes.

[TheDemonLord]

3 guesses what a move towards sustainability is going to look like.

A crappy, totalitarian, monotonous existence devoid of fun, enjoyment and the things that generally make life worth living?



Yes, It's almost like those of us that oppose your version of 'Sustainability' knew exactly what it would look like, which is precisely why we oppose it.

[mashman]

ECB’s Weidmann Tells Governments to Spend Now But Save Later (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/ecb-weidmann-tells-governments-spend-083002051.html)

Spend now and save later. Aye, a winning formula right there. Spend now and create the debt that you can pay off over a series of tomorrows that aren't currently in your budget forecasting, and then save later. If it ain't broke :killingme......

[mashman]

Central Bank Independence May Not Survive the Coronavirus (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/central-bank-independence-may-not-100027898.html)...

"*****The alternative to maintaining that posture — to claiming, in other words, that monetary policy is still distinct from fiscal policy — would be for central banks to simply erase the addition to public debt and directly finance the needed public spending. Thanks to the pandemic, an eventual recourse to direct monetary financing, which fully merges monetary and fiscal policy, is possible and perhaps even probable. ".

That almost sounds sensible... if we wish to get back to offing ourselves that is. Still not adding the finite planet into their equations and thinking it'll be alright. Maybe they can't see what's coming.

[scumdog]

Coronavirus: Lockdowns continue to suppress European pollution (https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-52065140)

"Lockdown polices and the resulting reductions in economic activity have seen emissions take a steep dive."

3 guesses what a move towards sustainability is going to look like. Everything else is bullshit... somewhat satirically, bullshit that you guys want to see started up again :laugh:



Gee there's a surprise - shutting down of industry and transport has resulted in less pollution!

And Greenies think it should stay like that, don't worry about goods not getting made or delivered, no jobs for many people etc etc.


Good luck with that dream...:facepalm:

[mashman]

Gee there's a surprise - shutting down of industry and transport has resulted in less pollution!

And Greenies think it should stay like that, don't worry about goods not getting made or delivered, no jobs for many people etc etc.


Good luck with that dream...:facepalm:

And how else do we address Earth Overshoot?... the inevitable outcome of which will make this virus look like a holiday before the main event. You takes away too many resources and you have less to sell, no goods getting made let alone delivered, no jobs for anyone other than what there is resource for, to the point of suicide/genocide/ecocide... but sure, more jobs is a great thing on a finite planet.

Don't worry, the Greens don't address that either. Tis why they fail.

This public service announcement was brought to you by the Broken Regord Frowndation.

[Viking01]

With Covid spreading across the European bloc, it has been interesting to see how different countries have chosen to handle the challenge. With the impact on national economies, there was earlier call for a multi-lateral approach.

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/europe-and-the-need-for-multilateralism

But I see it was announced overnight that the EU now has "a plan" (for how to assist some of its members whose economies are in distress), but that they are still struggling with one small component (how to fund it).

https://www.france24.com/en/20200423-too-little-too-late-europe-urged-to-act-on-economy-as-us-jobless-toll-soars

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-eu-leaders-want-large-recovery-fund-stall-on-details/a-53213299

You'd think this wouldn't be an issue after earlier (rousing) speeches about "European unity" , and the repeated politicians chorus that "we're all in the same boat together".

Perhaps it depends upon which end of the boat ? When the Italians say "the boat is leaking water, and we're getting wet feet" while the Germans and Dutch say "we're already leaking money, and we're getting cold feet".

Perhaps they will have to wait until the water starts to reach the EU economic "engine room" as well, and the whole boat then settles on an "even keel" (then they can all sink together, but do so in unity).

The puzzling part is that there was never this much trouble when the US was stumping around Europe late last year, requesting NATO donations to "help keep everyone secure".

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/475871-nato-values-esper-pentagon-spending/

Surely it's just a question of political priorities. And the "right packaging and marketing".

Maybe the EU just needs some-one to help them prioritise. And to apply the right spin. Like the US.

I mean, they don't have any issue with their political priorities. And spinning like a top.

And they're flush with cash, from what I can see:

https://www.rt.com/news/486709-usaid-greenland-russia-purchase-diplomacy/

But Don, as we said before, it is kind of you to offer some financial assistance (re Greenland), but we still have only two words to say in reply.

[mashman]

With Covid spreading across the European bloc, it has been interesting to see how different countries have chosen to handle the challenge. With the impact on national economies, there was earlier call for a multi-lateral approach.

https://www.ineteconomics.org/perspectives/blog/europe-and-the-need-for-multilateralism

But I see it was announced overnight that the EU now has "a plan" (for how to assist some of its members whose economies are in distress), but that they are still struggling with one small component (how to fund it).

https://www.france24.com/en/20200423-too-little-too-late-europe-urged-to-act-on-economy-as-us-jobless-toll-soars

https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-latest-eu-leaders-want-large-recovery-fund-stall-on-details/a-53213299


They all struggle with how to fund it for a reason. They still believe that such "packages" need to be repaid. For some reason it's really really hard to inject money into an economy, just coz it's needed. It's like it breaks some immutable rule.

[mashman]

Piglets aborted, chickens gassed as pandemic slams meat sector (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/piglets-aborted-chickens-gassed-pandemic-214016970.html)... How capitalism handles actual abundance and not manufactured abundance.

[Viking01]

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/argentina-sovereign-debt-restructuring-private-creditors-by-joseph-e-stiglitz-et-al-2020-05

[pritch]

This goes back to when Theresa May was Home Secretary, but it's also another failure of leadership in the Brit army. They are starting to mount up.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/may/18/british-army-veteran-faces-27000-nhs-hospital-bill

[Viking01]

https://www.rt.com/news/491123-skripal-new-zealand-uk/

[sidecar bob]

All my wife said when I read her the headline was "for fucks sake people are pathetic"
https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/244536-move-to-real-world-to-cause-anxiety-some.html

[scumdog]

All my wife said when I read her the headline was "for fucks sake people are pathetic"
https://www.sunlive.co.nz/news/244536-move-to-real-world-to-cause-anxiety-some.html

if that's true we're all screwed.

Well the the soft cock snowflakes mentioned in the article would be...:shifty:

[pritch]

Gee there's a surprise - shutting down of industry and transport has resulted in less pollution!

Pritti Patel the British Home Secretary was boasting proudly that shoplifting statistics were down. During a shut down.

Pritti is a dim bulb as are most of Boris's cabinet picks. He doesn't want competition.

Here's a humorous look at her abilities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk4EMBXxG5A

[jim.cox]

Pritti Patel the British Home Secretary

Often referred to as Pritti Vacant...

[TheDemonLord]

Pritti Patel the British Home Secretary was boasting proudly that shoplifting statistics were down. During a shut down.

Pritti is a dim bulb as are most of Boris's cabinet picks. He doesn't want competition.

Here's a humorous look at her abilities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk4EMBXxG5A

Pritti the Barbarian is Awesome.

Long may she continue to deal with the rot that has infested the Home Office.

[pritch]

Often referred to as Pritti Vacant...

Not without cause.

There was a clip of a panel discussion where she was advocating for the death penalty. Somebody else on the panel raised the topic of innocent people being executed in error.

"We need a deterrent," replied Ms Patel.

"You're going to execute innocent people as a deterrent?"

Cue laughter all round. She is a joke. Albeit a sad joke.

[Viking01]

Seems that the worries of civil wars over resources, scratching out a meal and the risk of Covid will soon be a distant memory.

Now that Africans continent-wide will be able to Facebook one another, and check out if their news is "fake". That'll help keep those Chinese and Russian interlopers honest.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/facebook-surrounds-africa/5716157

[Viking01]

https://www.mintpressnews.com/africa-trust-stamp-covid-19-vaccine-record-payment-system/269346/

[Viking01]

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/07/new-york-times-rewrites-the-timeline-of-the-feds-wall-street-bailouts-giving-banks-a-free-pass/

[Viking01]

August 6th again tomorrow, and this time the 75th anniversary of the first atomic bombing in Japan.

It's quite sobering to visit Hiroshima and Nagasaki, particularly Hiroshima with its "Dome" and the Peace Memorial Museum. Especially recognising that despite the damage inflicted, it is estimated that only 1 kg of its 64 kg of enriched uranium used in the bomb actually went fissile.

Journalist John Pilger has provided a summary of some of the history relating to nuclear weapons, and giving recognition to another distinguished Australian investigative journalist Wilfred Burchett (who smuggled himself past US military lines and conducted his own investigation and reporting on the Hiroshima after-effects following the bombing, much to the annoyance of the US military):

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/08/04/another-hiroshima-is-coming-unless-we-stop-it-now/

It's a pity that Pilger's article did not also mention the US intention to cause widespread nuclear devastation across Russian cities in the period 1946-1949 (this intention only set aside due to the USSR gaining its own nuclear weapon in 1949):

https://southfront.org/wipe-soviet-union-off-map-204-atomic-bombs-major-cities-us-nuclear-attack-ussr-planned-world-war-ii/

The US has contemplated the development of low yield (tactical) nuclear weapons from time to time. Since the Russians developed hypersonic missile capability more recently, the US has again stepped up its intention to develop and deploy low yield nuclear weapons, apparently somehow confident that to such missiles would not lead to a all-out nuclear war:

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2020/03/03/the-myth-of-moderate-nuclear-war/

It's not as if they don't already know the scale of devastation likely to be caused, and the impact upon both the environment and human populations around the world:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/shocking-video-simulation-shows-devastation-nuclear-war-would-cause

Even a modest nuclear war between two small powers (e.g. India and Pakistan) would be sufficient to cause world-wide famine:

https://www.rt.com/news/483282-india-pakistan-nuclear-winter/

Looking at what masquerades as "sound government" within the US at the moment, I can't help but feel pessimistic for the future of my own children.

[Viking01]

One year already ...

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3096702/jeffrey-epstein-hanged-himself-one-year-ago-setting

[Viking01]

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/498068-hbo-max-blazing-saddles-trigger-warning/

[Viking01]

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/pepe-escobar-assange-trial-mask-empire-has-fallen

Detail available from Murray's own website:

https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/09/your-man-in-the-public-gallery-assange-hearing-day-12/

[mashman]

Dehumanise and treat as you choose. (https://news.yahoo.com/louisville-police-major-allegedly-said-224223651.html) I thought I was reading some on KB for a moment.

[mashman]

Climate change in mind, Wall Street to start trading a new commodity: Water (https://www.business-standard.com/article/international/eying-climate-change-wall-street-to-begin-trading-on-new-commodity-water-120091800449_1.html)... well, iffen yer just gonna sit this one out this sort of shit is gonna happen. Good job we own our water, right :shifty:

[Viking01]

I see this morning that nuclear START negotiations in Vienna (between the US and Russia) may have been making some progress in the background. And that some "deal" may be imminent.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300129260/us-and-russia-close-to-deal-on-nuclear-warhead-freeze

But current US politics must give Vlad a real headache. Who to publicly support?

Does he publicly support his "current US puppet" (better the puppet you know) - but who not only announced that US nuclear weapons systems were "tippy top", but threatened that "US conditions may harden" if a deal is not agreed before the election:

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-says-he-made-nuclear-arsenal-tippy-top-experts-disagree-2020-10

Or does he support "a new US puppet" (Biden) - who has apparently indicated that he is willing to extend the existing START treaty (even without Chinese inclusion).

Who to believe ? Who to support ? Can only hope that he makes the right choice.

[mashman]

Nobel: US auction theorists win Economics Prize (https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54509051)

"The Rethinking Economics charity, which pushes for a broader application of economics, said it was "disappointing" that the prize had gone to "two white men from the global north working on auction theory".".

Game theory as if it's something new :killingme......

[Viking01]

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/10/13/human-rights-council-election

[mashman]

Infinite QE Was Always Left Unsaid by the Fed. Until Now. (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/infinite-qe-always-left-unsaid-100051433.html)... mathmatic certainty

[mashman]

'It's heartbreaking': Air New Zealand job cuts continue as hundreds more cabin crew made redundant (https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2020/10/it-s-heartbreaking-air-new-zealand-job-cuts-continue-as-hundreds-more-cabin-crew-made-redundant-report.html)

When yer non-essential, yer non-essential. I know, print more money :killingme.......

[mashman]

Covid job losses lead MPs to call for trials of universal basic income (https://www.theguardian.com/society/2020/oct/31/covid-job-losses-lead-mps-to-call-for-trials-of-universal-basic-income)... coz printing more money is still the only answer available :killingme.

[Viking01]

Sad to see another well known journalist go, especially one with such good ME knowledge.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/300148844/robert-fisk-veteran-foreign-correspondent-dies-at-74

[Viking01]

Jens, are you still on the NATO payroll ?

https://www.rt.com/news/506330-nato-stoltenberg-nuclear-disarmament-world/

[Edit]

Now you say you want to deploy more peace:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/nuclear-euromissiles-back/5729986

[Viking01]

https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/new-zealand-bird-of-the-year-voter-fraud-scandal-has-kiwis-in-a-flap-20201111-p56di6.html

[Edit]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/94869389/sharon-murdoch-cartoons

[mashman]

“Something extremely bogus is going on,” Musk, 49, tweeted. “Was tested for covid four times today. Two tests came back negative, two came back positive. Same machine, same test, same nurse.” (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/13/elon-musk-covid-test-bogus/)

"When one follower asked if false tests could be driving the national surge in cases, Musk replied, “If it’s happening to me, it’s happening to others.”"

[Pursang]

“Something extremely bogus is going on,” Musk, 49, tweeted. “Was tested for covid four times today. Two tests came back negative, two came back positive. Same machine, same test, same nurse.” (https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/11/13/elon-musk-covid-test-bogus/)

"When one follower asked if false tests could be driving the national surge in cases, Musk replied, “If it’s happening to me, it’s happening to others.”"

False Positives = double case numbers.
False Negatives = Exponential Infection/Death curve

I bet those poor bastards, dying on gurneys in corridors outside the ICU's, will be pleased to know that their diagnosis might have some possible error.:facepalm:

[mashman]

False Positives = double case numbers.
False Negatives = Exponential Infection/Death curve

I bet those poor bastards, dying on gurneys in corridors outside the ICU's, will be pleased to know that their diagnosis might have some possible error.:facepalm:

Or those sent home incorrectly to die etc... and/or infect others. With results like that, why bother testing.

[husaberg]

Or those sent home incorrectly to die etc... and/or infect others. With results like that, why bother testing.

You do realise biological testing is never going to be 100% which is why they make the cut off at a level where they achieve false positives.
This is done on purpose to having the cut off at a point where you achieve to many false negatives.
maybe instead of posting false information on the net, you should google biological tests and sensitivity vs specificity.
https://cdn.technologynetworks.com/tn/images/body/sensitivityvsspecificitygraph11555334230290.png

[Viking01]

It'd be nice to know what they finally concluded was "faulty", and precisely what they fixed.

https://www.rt.com/business/507088-faa-clears-boeing-737-max/

[Edit]

https://www.dw.com/en/boeing-737-max-cleared-to-fly-again-by-us-regulators/a-55650155

[mashman]

Building a Global Economy That Was Bound to Fail (https://www.yesmagazine.org/economy/2020/09/16/failing-global-economy/).

From the mouth of one who did the job. All legal and sanctioned by the people :killingme

"The funds were transferred from a bank in Washington, DC, to the company’s bank in Houston, San Francisco, New York, or Boston. Although some of the people in the top executive offices of the World Bank and its sisters, as well as those in the engineering companies, understood that it was a shell game, most of their subordinates—engineers, economists, and others—did not. They were simply doing the jobs they’d been educated and trained to do."

[R650R]

It'd be nice to know what they finally concluded was "faulty", and precisely what they fixed.

https://www.rt.com/business/507088-faa-clears-boeing-737-max/

[Edit]

https://www.dw.com/en/boeing-737-max-cleared-to-fly-again-by-us-regulators/a-55650155

Will try find link but what was wrong and still is wrong is the company and the plane.

Firstly the plane is a pigs ear design wise with weight of engines in wrong place cresting a balance problem to start with.
Moving the engine so has stressed the airframe which is why the lion air plane broke up BEFORE it hit the ground.
To reduce training costs software for the control systems is designed the the pilot inputs try and make the plane behave like the old plane. This software was outsourced to India and had to be redone several times.
The max is essentially a new airplane but it keeps enough features and elements of the original 1960s design that it didn’t need as extensive testing and certification.
Boeing went woke and hired based on diversity and well not much needs to be said about that...

DO NOT EVER get on one of these planes they will continue to be death traps.

[Viking01]

Will try find link but what was wrong and still is wrong is the company and the plane.

Firstly the plane is a pigs ear design wise with weight of engines in wrong place cresting a balance problem to start with.
Moving the engine so has stressed the airframe which is why the lion air plane broke up BEFORE it hit the ground.
To reduce training costs software for the control systems is designed the the pilot inputs try and make the plane behave like the old plane. This software was outsourced to India and had to be redone several times.
The max is essentially a new airplane but it keeps enough features and elements of the original 1960s design that it didn’t need as extensive testing and certification.
Boeing went woke and hired based on diversity and well not much needs to be said about that...

DO NOT EVER get on one of these planes they will continue to be death traps.

Thanks.

I've been following this whole debacle since it first started with the two crashes, and have read (collected) a reasonable amount of information on the situation - much of which you point to above. Have also been discussing with a pilot friend who was likewise interested in the outcome.

The FAA (as the US certifying authority) was seemingly compromised almost as much by this issue, given their track record in past years. I have not seen much comment on its (improved) performance since its head was replaced.

The main point of the original post was to see exactly what Boeing was willing to "fess up to" in the media, as being the primary cause(s) of the crashes.

The last article I saw on required "design" changes was as follows:

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2020/08/03/faa-proposes-requiring-four-key-boeing-737-max-design-changes/

I have seen little in the way of recent articles on settlement of litigation (brought by families of passengers killed), so assumed Boeing would say as little as possible to avoid having to pay further reparation.

[Edit]

https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/economics/boeing-737-crashes-caused-by-a-few-lines-of-missing-code

[R650R]

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-28/boeing-s-737-max-software-outsourced-to-9-an-hour-engineers

[Viking01]

I'd read earlier that Trump had had ambitions for colonisation of both the Moon and Mars, and had announced programmes to achieve both. But with the recent election results, that may be in jeopardy.

But I see from a recent video clip that perhaps Putin has bested him again, and that Russia may already have a working operation on Mars. Still subject to confirmation.

[ Sound and sub-titles on ]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HZ4DnVfWYQ&feature=youtu.be

[R650R]

There must Ben something in the water in Japan... oh that's right the Fukushima fallout.

Sorry for linking an Alex jones site article but it has the sad facts. Japan has been infiltrated and is set to be trashed. They just done a hari kari on the future of their standard of living.

They must be tired of their extremely low crime rates and respect for each other over there.

Btw before someone gets triggered I'm not anti immigrants, on an individual scale they bring skills and experience that widens our own knowledge and cultures. But when it's open borders like many western countries these days, well we all seen the results.

Find it weird that Japan wants to maintain its working age population when we entering an era of mass technology acceleration and subsequently mass unemployment etc...

https://www.infowars.com/posts/japanese-foreign-minister-announces-plan-to-transform-japan-into-a-diverse-multiethnic-society/

[mashman]

Venezuela fire: Thousands of voting machines burned (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-51800316)

"The National Assembly is the only Venezuelan institution which is not currently controlled by the Maduro government.

Its leader, Juan Guaidó, is the main opposition figure and has been recognised by more than 50 countries as Venezuela's legitimate president."

:killingme...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKgPY1adc0A

[mashman]

Brazil's Amazon: Deforestation 'surges to 12-year high' (https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-55130304)... Come on Bolsonaro, cut it with the cutting and divest :killingme

[mashman]

Philip Green’s Retail Empire Arcadia Files for Insolvency (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/philip-green-retail-empire-arcadia-231659273.html)...

SIR Philip Green. Wonder why they missed that bit off. Trump with a smile and a knighthood. He'll be fine though, but the unnecessary joblosses will see a few thousand in the shit.

[R650R]

https://www.rebelnews.com/the_china_files

Canada invited communist china over to learn how to fight in extreme cold.....

[mashman]

'We have no oxygen': First journalist to access Yemen after Covid discovers major cover up in country of her birth (https://www.yahoo.com/news/no-oxygen-first-journalist-access-094929195.html)... so much fail it's sad.

[mashman]

Ok. So were the noises on the street are to be believed (lots of respected medical professionals with decades of research/experience in immunology and various fields), no live virus culture has ever existed outside of China. Anywhere. In the world. Despite so many having been tested for it, caught it and/or having died from it. The live culture does not exist. And yet, not only do we have several vaccines, the virus has somehow noticeably mutated even though a live culture doesn't actually exist in any lab anywhere in the world. The MHRA (UK), when asked by Frances Leader recently, acknowledged this by stating that labs only have computer models of the virus to go on. Hence the chosen direction for most vaccines to date I assume.

The levels of stupid, given that we have gotten this far, is astounding... and the fevered argument over mask wearing demonstrate exactly how such levels of stupid are allowed to continue. We the people, well, about half of us, pledge allegiance to a flag. We the people, well about half of us, pledge our allegiance to a constitution. We the people, well, about half of us, pledge our allegiance to a planet.

Blind trust never ends well.

[R650R]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PExcRJr_lG4&feature=youtu.be

[mashman]

Rolling fire...

Shame that when the truck moved the ute didn't roll forwards again.

[Viking01]

https://www.counterpunch.org/2021/01/04/assange-wins-the-cost-the-crushing-of-press-freedom/

Sadly, I can't see a rapid release from incarceration. Nor a "safe location" if he is released.

[mashman]

Does MMT add up? (https://www.thersa.org/comment/2021/01/journal-does-modern-monetary-theory-add-up)

Yes, is the answer, all things remaining equal... but it destroys and depletes future resource faster than need be as it completely ignores the finite planet and ramps up production.. So actually, the answer is no, coz all things most certainly are not going to remain equal. It'll be perfect justification for funding a UBI and creating government digital currency (or end up using Chinas as a world digital currency more like). Everything we don't actually need :killingme

[mashman]

Economic power has shifted as predicted (owners of production get to call the shots), and a collapse of the west is very much in the post. I wonder if the Great Reset is a natural response to trying to prevent a well predicted and more than obvious collapse of the west as it loses market share, and therefore investment and so on?. This video is 10 years old. The analysis leading to that conclusion has been written in the stars for far longer.

Sound analysis or is he just another grifter? Well, a look out of the window today would lead me to think is was a pretty sound analysis.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a0zhc1y_Ns

[mashman]

Bitcoin consumes 'more electricity than Argentina' (https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56012952) :facepalm:

[pete376403]

Bitcoin consumes 'more electricity than Argentina' (https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-56012952) :facepalm:


Thought.... Manapouri and Tiwai Point. Kick out comalco and make a bitcoin mining plant

[mashman]

Thought.... Manapouri and Tiwai Point. Kick out comalco and make a bitcoin mining plant

Kind of defeats the purpose like, but nice! Likely expedient enough to get across the line too.

[Bonez]

It's gotten awefully quiet in here. Has the final certain closed or is it going to be continuous reruns like Gilligen's Island?

[Viking01]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54646305

One or two sentences stood out:

"But the outspoken conservative only began to find widespread success after the Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
repealed its fairness doctrine in 1987 - a regulation requiring US broadcasters to present both sides of a controversial opinion".

and:

"He had listeners who tuned in because they loved his politics and listeners who did so because they hated him. He was seldom boring.
His critics - and there are many - will say he brought a level of toxicity and vitriol to American politics that has sharpened the nation's partisan
divisions. His supporters will say his anger was righteous and he spoke to those the political elite ignored.Either way, there's no understating
the mark he left on American life."

[Edit]

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2021/02/rush-limbaugh-slams-satan-for-his-liberal-bias/

[pritch]

"But the outspoken conservative only began to find widespread success after the Federal Communications Commission (FCC)
repealed its fairness doctrine in 1987 - a regulation requiring US broadcasters to present both sides of a controversial opinion".



In an online discussion I bemoaned Reagan's repealing of the fairness doctine and suggested things might be better if it was reinstated. One person replied that the fairness doctrine covered radio and television broadcasting as it was then. Cable TV stations, FOX etc, are not subject to the same rules as those using the airwaves. So even if the fairness doctrine was reintroduced, it would need to be expanded to cover the worst sources of misinformation.