Stupid World [Archive] - Page 38

Brian d marge

11th December 2016, 00:56

So if I've got this right ,IMHO;

the bond market is rising at the same time as the stock market , which, when both stocks and bonds go up in value at the same time. That happens when there is too much money or liquidity, chasing too few investments, as is the case at the top of a market and the M2 velocity is tanking ,( M2 includes a broader set of financial assets held principally by households. M2 consists of M1 plus: (1) savings deposits (which include money market deposit accounts, or MMDAs); (2) small-denomination time deposits (time deposits in amounts of less than $100,000); and (3) balances in retail money market mutual funds (MMMFs). Seasonally adjusted M2 is computed by summing savings deposits, small-denomination time deposits, and retail MMMFs, each seasonally adjusted separately and adding this result to seasonally adjusted M1.)

This means if I'm correct , and I may not be ! , You and I havent any money and we are not spending ........., QE, has enabled a few to purchase assets , of which there are fewer and fewer, i.e too much money chasing to few assets ( making the value of the money worthless, strange how they stopped reporting M3 Snip;....... ( Discontinuance of M3 , on March 23, 2006, the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System will cease publication of the M3 monetary aggregate. The Board will also cease publishing the following components: large-denomination time deposits, repurchase agreements (RPs), and Eurodollars. The Board will continue to publish institutional money market mutual funds as a memorandum item in this release.

Measures of large-denomination time deposits will continue to be published by the Board in the Flow of Funds Accounts (Z.1 release) on a quarterly basis and in the H.8 release on a weekly basis (for commercial banks).

Now I may be wrong , but this don't look good , we ain't spending , cause we ain't got money , BUT the people who have access to the zero interest money are spending , so much so: there isn't anything left , ( transfer of asset wealth ) and there is a ton of worthless paper money sloshing around looking for work to do , ( housing bubbles anyone? )

Just my opinion , but the 1928 stock market crash happened how ?

The crash followed a speculative boom that had taken hold in the late 1920s. During the later half of the 1920s, steel production, building construction, retail turnover, automobiles registered, even railway receipts advanced from record to record. The combined net profits of 536 manufacturing and trading companies showed an increase, in fact for the first six months of 1929, of 36.6% over 1928, itself a record half-year. Iron and steel led the way with doubled gains. Such figures set up a crescendo of stock-exchange speculation which had led hundreds of thousands of Americans to invest heavily in the stock market. A significant number of them were borrowing money to buy more stocks. By August 1929, brokers were routinely lending small investors more than two-thirds of the face value of the stocks they were buying. Over $8.5 billion was out on loan, more than the entire amount of currency circulating in the U.S. at the time.

So you have a lot of investors using the cheap money , looking for investment , when the man on the street ain't got nothing , this cannot end well .IMHO

ps I had better add that there will be some areas of deflation , cheap shit like tvs , appliances , popped bubbles etc , but the damage IS being caused by inflated money

mashman

11th December 2016, 09:22

but the damage IS being caused by money

Fixed that for ya. Endless production of shit that people figure out that they don't really need and therefore stop buying, is one of the results. Inflated or not, the destination of money goes to those with the money to pay for the idea. Rinse, repeat = 2016 :D

Voltaire

11th December 2016, 09:27

Ocean1

11th December 2016, 09:59

but the damage IS being caused by inflated money

What damage?

mashman

11th December 2016, 11:21

Clearly there is money around as otherwise run down old bungalows that were worth 500K 3 years ago would not be selling for a million.
The moneygoround does appear to be running out of steam however I'm sure they will say after Xmas that it was the most ever spent, the Debt Set love spending OPM.

Quick, build more houses lol.

mashman

11th December 2016, 11:23

What damage?

That damage over there. Quick. No. Sorry. It's gone again.

Voltaire

11th December 2016, 11:50

Quick, build more houses lol.

Build more houses...

Oh need more builders, sparkies, plumbers, plasterers etc....so increase immigration, then we'll need more houses

Brian d marge

11th December 2016, 14:40

Clearly there is money around as otherwise run down old bungalows that were worth 500K 3 years ago would not be selling for a million.
Money in the bank is getting about 2% after tax ( might be dreaming on that much) however my "play" share portfolio (NZX) did 8% after tax for the last year.
Buying and selling old motorcycles netted almost nothing this year.
The moneygoround does appear to be running out of steam however I'm sure they will say after Xmas that it was the most ever spent, the Debt Set love spending OPM.
Supply and demand adds little to the cost, however in this case the purchasing power of the currency is distorting the perceived value
In other words , ya need a lot more paper to buy the same collection of rotten wood , with the same or slightly more people bidding for it

sent for a divine source

Brian d marge

11th December 2016, 14:41

What damage?
Nothing where u reside ...

sent for a divine source

Ocean1

11th December 2016, 15:23

That damage over there. Quick. No. Sorry. It's gone again.

Nothing where u reside ...

sent for a divine source

Not a straight answer in sight. As usual.

Which demonstrates that the "damage" you two continually wibble on about resides right here in Stupid World.

Brian d marge

11th December 2016, 17:52

Not a straight answer in sight. As usual.

Which demonstrates that the "damage" you two continually wibble on about resides right here in Stupid World.
That because even if it was explained to you , you wouldn't understand

Inflation baby

sent for a divine source

Ocean1

11th December 2016, 18:00

That because even if it was explained to you , you wouldn't understand

Inflation baby

sent for a divine source

Same old bullshit, anything but a straight answer.

Never mind, there's no chance anyone that matters is taking you seriously.

mashman

11th December 2016, 18:48

Not a straight answer in sight. As usual.

Which demonstrates that the "damage" you two continually wibble on about resides right here in Stupid World.

It was there, I promise.

Brian d marge

11th December 2016, 19:03

It was there, I promise.
Shhhhh. Don't tell him , he will go looking .,.gawd knows what will happen

sent for a divine source

mashman

12th December 2016, 12:09

Shhhhh. Don't tell him , he will go looking .,.gawd knows what will happen

sent for a divine source

:killingme ... looking ... :killingme... the numbers = facts and say otherwise :killingme

Katman

14th December 2016, 08:44

TheDemonLord

14th December 2016, 10:09

Katman

14th December 2016, 10:55

And what do you interpret from that Article?

That a government agency fucked up and as a direct result of that fuck up one of their clients took their own life.

What do you interpret from it?

TheDemonLord

14th December 2016, 12:05

That a government agency fucked up and as a direct result of that fuck up one of their clients took their own life.

What do you interpret from it?

The investigator who had been responsible for the Shoebridge file had said he had referred the file for prosecution after being told to do so by his manager.

He had not wanted to, and tried to change it only days before the death after becoming concerned that her recovery from alcohol and depression could be affected.

It sounds to me - like it wasn't the Agency as a whole - but one shitty Manager.

My point being you are blaming an entire Agency for what appears to be the actions of an individual.

Katman

14th December 2016, 12:59

It sounds to me - like it wasn't the Agency as a whole - but one shitty Manager.

My point being you are blaming an entire Agency for what appears to be the actions of an individual.

And you don't think the manager was under any pressure from higher up to pursue the National Party's policy of 'beneficiary bashing'?

Because heaven forbid that they should go after the ones who are really costing the country a fortune.

http://www.victoria.ac.nz/research/expertise/business-commerce/fraud-sentencing

TheDemonLord

14th December 2016, 13:12

And you don't think the manager was under any pressure from higher up to pursue the National Party's policy of 'beneficiary bashing'?

It is a possibility, however - it is one that doesn't have any evidence supporting it (such as a Memo, an Email, A witness in a meeting etc.) other than the purely circumstantial.

Because heaven forbid that they should go after the ones who are really costing the country a fortune.

http://www.victoria.ac.nz/research/expertise/business-commerce/fraud-sentencing

I found that interesting - Because I too would judge benefit fraud more harshly than I judge Tax Evasion - and not just for the reasons listed in the article.

Katman

14th December 2016, 13:24

it is one that doesn't have any evidence supporting it (such as a Memo, an Email, A witness in a meeting etc.) other than the purely circumstantial.

You know that for a fact, do you?

TheDemonLord

14th December 2016, 14:09

You know that for a fact, do you?

Yes Katman.
That was definitely my point Katman.

pritch

14th December 2016, 14:20

It is a possibility, however - it is one that doesn't have any evidence supporting it (such as a Memo, an Email, A witness in a meeting etc.) other than the purely circumstantial.

I found that interesting - Because I too would judge benefit fraud more harshly than I judge Tax Evasion - and not just for the reasons listed in the article.

That Manager needs to do some "research", like f'rinstance spend some time on the unemployment benefit. If she isn't already.

The Courts seem to treat benefit fraud more harshly than tax evasion, but it's the tax evaders who are getting away with the big bucks.

Katman

14th December 2016, 14:37

Yes Katman.
That was definitely my point Katman.

So you know for a fact that this manager hasn't received any memo, email or instruction from higher up the chain to pursue individuals with greater vigor?

TheDemonLord

14th December 2016, 14:41

So you know for a fact that this manager hasn't received any memo, email or instruction from higher up the chain to pursue individuals with greater vigor?

The only thing I know for a fact, is that you are wildly (either through stupidity or deliberately being obtuse) missing the point.

Katman

14th December 2016, 14:43

The only thing I know for a fact, is that you are wildly (either through stupidity or deliberately being obtuse) missing the point.

What point would that be then?

TheDemonLord

14th December 2016, 15:20

What point would that be then?

Re-read what I wrote, only this time, take off your ideological glasses.

You might see it, but I won't hold my breath.

Katman

14th December 2016, 15:26

Re-read what I wrote, only this time, take off your ideological glasses.

You might see it, but I won't hold my breath.

I get the point that you believe it is only the fault of the manager and not that of the agency. (Even though the manager is clearly a representative of the agency).

I'm still not quite seeing how you can be so sure that it is fact that no pressure was exerted from higher up to pursue individuals with greater vigor.

TheDemonLord

14th December 2016, 16:27

I get the point that you believe it is only the fault of the manager and not that of the agency. (Even though the manager is clearly a representative of the agency).

I'm still not quite seeing how you can be so sure that it is fact that no pressure was exerted from higher up to pursue individuals with greater vigor.

D-

Try again.

Katman

14th December 2016, 16:37

D-

Try again.

Did you and bogan go to the same School of Nursery Games?

bogan

14th December 2016, 18:38

Did you and bogan go to the same School of Nursery Games?

TDL has demonstrated time and time again he is willing to focus on the evidence and discuss it in a rational manner, as am I. So there are certainly worse schools to go to...

bogan

14th December 2016, 18:48

That a government agency fucked up and as a direct result of that fuck up one of their clients took their own life.

Where does it mention she took her own life?

The thing about shitty news, is you can often see them trying to paint a misleading but emotive image by what they imply instead of say. Learn to be more thorough in your interpretations of news Katman, misleading and fake news remains a bad thing.

Grumph

14th December 2016, 19:01

So you know for a fact that this manager hasn't received any memo, email or instruction from higher up the chain to pursue individuals with greater vigor?

Whilst i'm extremely reluctant to endorse Katman in any way shape or form, having myself worked in the Public Service,I'd suspect that no instruction was necessary.
Most PS contracts specify the grounds on which you will earn any performance bonus....Almost invariably in my experience, reduction of operating costs or recovery of funds paid out in error or fraudulently paid will be part of the background requirements in a job like the supervisor's.
There is in fact very little latitude available at any level.
The investigator may have recommended leniency, I'd doubt the supervisor had any choice.

Ocean1

14th December 2016, 19:21

"Oh dear, looks like we got it wrong". (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/87527119/Woman-found-dead-had-not-committed-benefit-fraud)

One less bludging beneficiary to worry about though, eh Ocean?

Why drag me into your little fantasy?

Now that you have though: I've read some small parts of the rules surrounding the conditions of entitlement for some benefits, and I reckon they're so complex, interdependent and convoluted that the interpretation of any given case might as well involve the toss of a coin. Machiavelli ain't in it.

TheDemonLord

14th December 2016, 19:25

Did you and bogan go to the same School of Nursery Games?

No.

It's really simple - I'm saying that in the article there was no evidence presented that there was instruction from higher up.

You've interpreted that as me saying that there is no evidence anywhere period.

These are 2 very different and distinct claims - which in your ideologically induced stupidity could not tell apart, despite multiple prompts that there was in fact a difference.

There could be a Memo or an Email or as Grumph suggested a KPI that encouraged a hard line. It's entirely possible and well within the bounds of reality. It could be that the Manager is being made a scapegoat to hide a bigger problem.

BUT! until I'm presented with such a piece of evidence as above, I cannot go from a position of 'Based on the evidence, this appears to be as a result of a single crap manager' to a position of 'this is proof of an inherent department wide bias/corruption'. You on the other hand are more than happy to go that position without such a piece of evidence as it aligns with your narrative and world view.

Katman

14th December 2016, 22:30

It's really simple - I'm saying that in the article there was no evidence presented that there was instruction from higher up.

You've interpreted that as me saying that there is no evidence anywhere period.

You stated that it was fact that there was no memo, email or instruction from higher up.

Do you even know what your fucking point is?

TheDemonLord

14th December 2016, 22:33

You stated that it was fact that there was no memo, email or instruction from higher up.

No, I didn't.

You misinterpreted it as such.

Do you even know what your fucking point is?

Yes, that you are an idiot who is blinded by their own bias.

Katman

14th December 2016, 22:35

No, I didn't.

You misinterpreted it as such.

Fuck off and re-read post #9281.

TheDemonLord

15th December 2016, 07:44

Fuck off and re-read post #9281.

It looks like you've been taking Sarcasm lessons from Dr. Kristi Winters....

pritch

15th December 2016, 08:23

Most PS contracts specify the grounds on which you will earn any performance bonus....Almost invariably in my experience, reduction of operating costs or recovery of funds paid out in error or fraudulently paid will be part of the background requirements in a job like the supervisor's.

That would certainly have been true once. Unless they have been reintroduced in the last three years or so though, I don't think MSD are currently paying bonuses.

Katman

15th December 2016, 08:25

It looks like you've been taking Sarcasm lessons from Dr. Kristi Winters....

Ok, so we've established that I suspect there's a real likelihood that this manager had some sort of instruction/incentive from higher up and that you're not bothered to even consider the possibility.

I'm not quite sure why you felt the need to argue over it other than it being a chance for you to wear your 'Ermahgerd, Katman Posted - I Must Find A Way To Disagree With Him' glasses again.

Katman

15th December 2016, 09:07

That would certainly have been true once.

Like...say...about 5 years ago - when Paula Bennett was the Minister of Social Development?

:sherlock:

TheDemonLord

15th December 2016, 09:50

Ok, so we've established that I suspect there's a real likelihood that this manager had some sort of instruction/incentive from higher up and that you're not bothered to even consider the possibility.

My God...

You really are that fucking retarded, do you even understand basic English?

It is a possibility,

You suspect - based on what?

The only thing you suspect on, is your preconceived notions, ideas and biases.

And as far as your usual drivel goes - this one is actually entirely plausible, I've even said as such multiple times (yet you managed to miss that, spectacularly).

However just because something is possible and plausible does not mean that we forgo the burden of proof. Of which at this time, presented to the public, there is none. This is not to say that there is no such proof anywhere.

But keep on failing Katman.

Katman

15th December 2016, 10:17

However just because something is possible and plausible does not mean that we forgo the burden of proof. Of which at this time, presented to the public, there is none. This is not to say that there is no such proof anywhere.

Dude, this isn't a Court of Law.

I'm just thinking out loud.

Take those glasses off and give your eyes a rest.

Katman

15th December 2016, 10:53

You really are that fucking retarded, do you even understand basic English?

I think the word these days is 'egg'.

:nono:

onearmedbandit

15th December 2016, 11:06

I think the word these days is 'egg'.

:nono:

That's correct.

TheDemonLord

15th December 2016, 11:35

Dude, this isn't a Court of Law.

No, it's the court of Public opinion, where you can reach a conclusion with no proof whatsoever.

I'm just thinking out loud.

No, you really aren't. And that is the problem.

You've seen something, jumped to a conclusion based on your preferred Narrative.

When someone points out that you have nothing apart from conjecture to get from point A to point B, you throw a tanty and start going off your standard playbook.

The funny thing is, I actually suspect that you may have a point - that there is a possibility that there was some internal pressure. It is entirely within the realms of reality and something that is with a long history of precedents.

However, in the article there was no evidence of such and so based on what is available to us, the only possible conclusion (backed up by the known facts) is that this isn't some big departmental conspiracy, but this is due to one asshole Manager.

Should more or additional evidence come to light, then it is reasonable to change this conclusion, but not before.

Take those glasses off and give your eyes a rest.

I have no glasses - it's why I can see straight through your BS.

Katman

15th December 2016, 11:40

The funny thing is, I actually suspect that you may have a point - that there is a possibility that there was some internal pressure. It is entirely within the realms of reality and something that is with a long history of precedents.

However, in the article there was no evidence of such and so based on what is available to us, the only possible conclusion (backed up by the known facts) is that this isn't some big departmental conspiracy, but this is due to one asshole Manager.

Really?

Do you actually think we should just take that one article as the definitive explanation of this issue?

(Nice self-contradiction though). :killingme

TheDemonLord

15th December 2016, 11:56

Really?

Do you actually think we should just take that one article as the definitive explanation of this issue?

No, I think we should evaluate events based on the evidence available to us, not making shit up because it suits your delusional world view.

(Nice self-contradiction though). :killingme

There is only a contradiction if you ignore what I actually said and replace it with what you want me to have said (which is what you are continually doing).

Katman

15th December 2016, 12:07

No, I think we should evaluate events based on the evidence available to us.....

Like the social reforms that Paula Bennett set about introducing around that time?

Katman

15th December 2016, 12:14

No, it's the court of Public opinion

By George, I think she's got it!

:niceone:

TheDemonLord

15th December 2016, 13:19

Like the social reforms that Paula Bennett set about introducing around that time?

Which would be Circumstantial.

TheDemonLord

15th December 2016, 13:20

By George, I think she's got it!

:niceone:

You are really struggling with English today aren't you....

Katman

15th December 2016, 13:29

Which would be Circumstantial.

You're not suggesting we should ignore circumstantial evidence, are you?

TheDemonLord

15th December 2016, 13:36

You're not suggesting we should ignore circumstantial evidence, are you?

I'm suggesting that with all the Strawmen you are setting up, you must be running low on agricultural supplies.

Katman

15th December 2016, 13:47

I'm suggesting that with all the Strawmen you are setting up, you must be running low on agricultural supplies.

I don't think you really know what you're suggesting.

TheDemonLord

15th December 2016, 13:55

I don't think you really know what you're suggesting.

I know precisely what I'm saying.

If you are so determined to misrepresent it to something else, then that's all on you.

bogan

15th December 2016, 16:50

Ok, so we've established that I suspect there's a real likelihood that this manager had some sort of instruction/incentive from higher up and that you're not bothered to even consider the possibility.

I'm not quite sure why you felt the need to argue over it other than it being a chance for you to wear your 'Ermahgerd, Katman Posted - I Must Find A Way To Disagree With Him' glasses again.

Perhaps he would be more likely to consider it if there was any sort of evidence for it :whistle:

The disagreeable post was one in which you claimed that govt agency's fuck up caused a woman to commit suicide. Considering that her death has not even been ruled a suicide, that's a fucking stretch. The stupidity of stupid worlders and fake news proponents deserves to be corrected for its own sake. Your "it's all about me" strawman is fucking laughable considering your inability to refrain from making it all about us instead of discussing the topic at hand.

Katman

15th December 2016, 17:41

....fake news....

....fake news....

....fake news....

....fake news....

....fake news....

....fake news....

And you have the gall to accuse others of being 'echo chambers'. :killingme

bogan

15th December 2016, 18:10

And you have the gall to accuse others of being 'echo chambers'. :killingme

Of course, fake news and echo chambers go hand in hand. The stupid worlder thread would be an echo chamber of fake news were it not for a few of us offering rationally dissenting opinions every now and then...

Brian d marge

15th December 2016, 18:42

You're not suggesting we should ignore circumstantial evidence, are you?
The race card is a difficult one

sent for a divine source

Brian d marge

18th December 2016, 03:31

Shipping them to the labor camp

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Akzle

18th December 2016, 11:33

http://mobile.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.php?c_id=3&objectid=11768355

what. the. actual. fuck.

shit's a boat.

"... It has a stand-up surfing pool, sky diving simulator, rock-
climbing wall, dodgem cars, a circus school, and an observation
gondola on a hydraulic arm rising 90m above the ship.
It has eight speciality restaurants, some bars are set up with
robotic bar tenders which help deliver 127 different cocktails."

Brian d marge

18th December 2016, 12:26

Akzle

18th December 2016, 16:01

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-30/opec-said-to-agree-oil-production-cuts-as-saudis-soften-on-iran

economoney!

yokel

4th January 2017, 08:38

So apparently I have two random cunts in the US monitoring my Facebook acc.

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Brian d marge

4th January 2017, 13:44

So apparently I have two random cunts in the US monitoring my Facebook acc.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/xnpAYiaZ4VA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Damn how u get friend , I have nowt

sent for a divine source

mashman

5th January 2017, 10:23

Market protection at its best. Thank you business. You are awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1ReU0ZaQq8

husaberg

8th January 2017, 16:41

New Tourism slogan for Nortern territory
http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/8004718-16x9-940x529.png

http://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/cu-in-the-nt-northern-territory-australia-tourism-slogan-a7407806.html

Akzle

26th February 2017, 14:12

Some people....

not only the dopey whore who drove into the ocean - but the fuckwit reporter who wrote this shit.

"chance dip" - well yes, if you're a fuckwit, there is a chance you will drive into shit. even really really big, really really obvious shit, LIKE THE FUCKEN OCEAN.

"her car dropped off the ramp" - no it didn't. cars do what the fuck they're told, by a supposedly lucid, supposedly licensed and ergo competent operator.

this bint should lose her license, have her car crushed, be flogged in public. AND billed for pulling an audi suv (relevant, i wonder :sherlock:) worth of pollution out of the ocean.

oldrider

26th February 2017, 16:17

Trump Aide Discovers Horrifying Secret Obama Kept From Us All - really? :rolleyes: Information reads pretty close to reality though! :corn:

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Woodman

27th February 2017, 12:10

oldrider

28th February 2017, 08:48

War at Any Cost: Israeli Special Forces Enter Syrian Territory to ‘Monitor’ Extremist Groups Fighting Assad?:http://www.globalresearch.ca/war-at-any-cost-israeli-special-forces-enter-syrian-territory-to-monitor-extremist-groups-fighting-assad/5577013

Who needs enemies with friends like that? :scratch:

Brian d marge

8th March 2017, 13:48

Akzle

14th March 2017, 17:09

Woodman

14th March 2017, 19:45

mitre 10 mega
http://www.thoseposters.com/emailPosters/poster491.jpg

you have to be taking the fucking piss on your prices. nau, i don't always pay retail (liek, fucken nevar) but fuck me sideways, there's retail and then there's 3-times-the-cost-of-the-shit.

so i'm'a go and fuck their mouth tmr with someone elses retail pricing and their 15% price guarantee. meantimes i hope they go broke. and choke on that bowl of dicks.
Mega10 charging a higher price and you wanting to pay less is the same thing, that being the end result of having more money. So why do you abuse them and hope they go broke when you are effectively doing the same as them?

Are you a hypocrite or a Jew?

husaberg

14th March 2017, 19:50

Mega10 charging a higher price and you wanting to pay less is the same thing, that being the end result of having more money. So why do you abuse them and hope they go broke when you are effectively doing the same as them?

Are you a hypocrite or a Jew?

I bet he never read the fine print on the 15% either.
Local is the same town in m10 speak.
If you find a lower price on an identical stocked product locally we will beat it by 15%. If you find the same product cheaper from another Mitre 10 store or Mitre 10 website we'll match that price. Excludes trade and special quotes, stock liquidations and commercial quantities. The in-store price may be lower than that advertised.

Akzle

14th March 2017, 19:56

Voltaire

14th March 2017, 20:12

Well done the never had it so good generation, ya got ya houses , free education and your pension ..... We younger ones , can't afford a house , have student loan as far as the eye can see , and now the pension has been raised to 67

Well done, .... Fked if I'm going look after u in ur old age ....

sent for a divine source

Stop spending all your money on Sky and Flat Whites, back in my day it was Black and White TV and Greggs instant.
I think Watson will be wiping bums when I'm at the dribbling phase...:lol:

Woodman

14th March 2017, 21:08

do you even read the shit you post? your not really even trying are you

Looks pretty clear to me............

Brian d marge

14th March 2017, 22:54

Stop spending all your money on Sky and Flat Whites, back in my day it was Black and White TV and Greggs instant.
I think Watson will be wiping bums when I'm at the dribbling phase...[emoji38]
We had a sheet of perspex that we put in front of the TV to make it look colour

Bet ya don't remember that ...

I liked , close to home but if I was really unlucky , the family decided to go to Brighton on sat morning to do shopping , it closed at 1 ( as it should) and we got stuck in the car listening to either
Cricket
Horse racing
Or kasey Kasem American top 40

So it's your fault... I'm an embittered old knt ...

PS . How do u know my fantasies
..Or was that a lucky guess

sent for a divine source

Brian d marge

22nd March 2017, 12:41

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Fk destroying the poor kids future trading them to obey and perform
Respect those in power and be a good citizen

Fk me

sent for a divine source

oldrider

28th March 2017, 18:39

Apartheid in South Africa suffered world damnation - rightly so! :yes:

Apartheid in Israel? - almost world silence and even acceptance that Israel can do whatever it likes! :facepalm:

Well almost!:

UN Sponsored Report On Israel’s Responsibility For Apartheid In Relation To The Palestinian People - http://www.globalresearch.ca/un-sponsored-report-on-israels-responsibility-for-apartheid-in-relation-to-the-palestinian-people/5580825

The full report:https://web.archive.org/web/20170316054753/https://www.unescwa.org/sites/www.unescwa.org/files/publications/files/israeli-practices-palestinian-people-apartheid-occupation-english.pdf For those who might (or might not) be interested! :scratch:

I wonder where all the outraged champions against South African Apartheid are now? - they may have grounds for a new crusade? :bash:

Why are they not dusting off their helmets and banners? :rolleyes:

Akzle

28th March 2017, 18:41

Why are they not dusting off their helmets and banners? :rolleyes:

pale skin.

and israel pays.

Brian d marge

28th March 2017, 18:43

pale skin.

and israel plays.

Fixed it for u

sent for a divine source

Akzle

31st March 2017, 19:53

you know how jewgle and microsoftjews are listening to you all the time? through those tracking devices you voluntarily carry, (anyone familiar with powers to make you a ward of state under mental health act?)

well:
http://research.ibm.com/5-in-5/mental-health/

yokel

3rd April 2017, 20:07

Banditbandit

4th April 2017, 13:43

Stuff going full retard ..... again.

What is your point? A lone crazy who kills people is a lone crazy who kills people ... what the fuck has the religion got to do with it?

Did we see the shooters at Colombine High School labelled "Christian"?

Brenda Spencer a "Christian shooter"?

How about Timothy McVeigh? A "Christian terrorist"?

Adam Lanza? A "christian shooter"?

How about our own Stanley Graham? A "christian shooter"?

David Gray? Another Christian shooter ...

And so on ...

Brian d marge

4th April 2017, 14:36

Stuff going full retard ..... again.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff-nation/assignments/share-your-news-and-views/17874187/Want-equality-Curtail-free-speech

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That's what they want ... Can't have an educated free speaking people do we
Think what they will do

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Brian d marge

4th April 2017, 16:02

A calling in lifehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170404/55742071ae501b709528620004d6e06e.gif

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Banditbandit

4th April 2017, 16:02

That's what they want ... Can't have an educated free speaking people do we
Think what they will do

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Well - they are certainly having their way with Yokel ..

Brian d marge

4th April 2017, 16:04

Well - they are certainly having their way with Yokel ..
Post has no meaning without video or 8 x 10 glossy pictures with dates and times on the back

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oldrider

4th April 2017, 20:49

Well - they are certainly having their way with Yokel ..

That comment doesn't line up with the mental picture of you that usually emanates from the quality of your posts! - Just sayin, just sayin. :rolleyes:

yokel

4th April 2017, 21:14

What is your point? A lone crazy who kills people is a lone crazy who kills people ... what the fuck has the religion got to do with it?

Did we see the shooters at Colombine High School labelled "Christian"?

Brenda Spencer a "Christian shooter"?

How about Timothy McVeigh? A "Christian terrorist"?

Adam Lanza? A "christian shooter"?

How about our own Stanley Graham? A "christian shooter"?

David Gray? Another Christian shooter ...

And so on ...

Oh, so all those dudes did or were patsies did thoes killings in the name of Jesus did they?
How many Christian groups claimed responsibility?

How fucking dumb are you then?

And yeah I realise that Islamic extremists were not responsible for 9/11 and that ISIS is a crock of shit.
But doesn't mean I'm going to go round being a wanker lslamic sympathiser.

Akzle

5th April 2017, 07:41

.
But doesn't mean I'm going to go round being a wanker lslamic sympathiser.

what's islam ?

oldrider

1st May 2017, 21:20

United Nations the way "we" (Israel?) want it or we take away our money and throw our toys out of the cot! :doh:
All 100 Senators Sign Letter Against U.N. Actions to Bring Israel to Account! https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/f6c7c142-8655-4c34-907b-ffe91b033f34/83A98BDD8379F7A35D6207DCB0D74B38.4-27-2017-rubio-coons-ltr-to-unsg-re-israel.pdf

Who exactly is it that runs the United States again?????? :scratch:

Akzle

2nd May 2017, 05:48

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Who exactly is it that runs the United States again?????? :scratch:

jews. how are you at all unclear on this? i've said it a basquillion times

Banditbandit

2nd May 2017, 15:45

Post has no meaning without video or 8 x 10 glossy pictures with dates and times on the back

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gawd - yer old if you remember Alice's Restaurant ...

Oh, so all those dudes did or were patsies did thoes killings in the name of Jesus did they?
How many Christian groups claimed responsibility?

How fucking dumb are you then?

And yeah I realise that Islamic extremists were not responsible for 9/11 and that ISIS is a crock of shit.
But doesn't mean I'm going to go round being a wanker lslamic sympathiser.

And did that lone acting person claim it in the name of Islam ??? Did any Islamic jihadi crazies claim it ? No ... So why 'Islamic Terrorist'?

Banditbandit

2nd May 2017, 15:51

Oh, so all those dudes did or were patsies did thoes killings in the name of Jesus did they?
How many Christian groups claimed responsibility?

How fucking dumb are you then?

And yeah I realise that Islamic extremists were not responsible for 9/11 and that ISIS is a crock of shit.
But doesn't mean I'm going to go round being a wanker lslamic sympathiser.

Oh yeah .. adn there are Christian terrorist organisation that claim responsibility in the name of the church ..

The KKK for example ... The goals of the KKK included, from an early time onward, an intent to "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible", and they believed that "Jesus was the first Klansman.

After 1981, members of groups such as the Army of God began attacking abortion clinics and doctors across the United States. A number of terrorist attacks were attributed by Bruce Hoffman to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ. A group called Concerned Christians was deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999; they believed that their deaths would "lead them to heaven"

In 1996 three men—Charles Barbee, Robert Berry and Jay Merelle—were charged with two bank robberies and bombings at the banks, a Spokane newspaper, and a Planned Parenthood office in Washington State. The men were anti-Semitic Christian Identity theorists who believed that God wanted them to carry out violent attacks and that such attacks would hasten the ascendancy of the Aryan race.

Just three examples - plenty more out there

Brian d marge

2nd May 2017, 17:36

Satanism , beat jooism , and the Catholic church hands down

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Brian d marge

2nd May 2017, 17:38

gawd - yer old if you remember Alice's Restaurant ...

I was on the bench marked W
😁
With the father rapers

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Brian d marge

2nd May 2017, 17:43

Oh yeah .. adn there are Christian terrorist organisation that claim responsibility in the name of the church ..

The KKK for example ... The goals of the KKK included, from an early time onward, an intent to "reestablish Protestant Christian values in America by any means possible", and they believed that "Jesus was the first Klansman.

After 1981, members of groups such as the Army of God began attacking abortion clinics and doctors across the United States. A number of terrorist attacks were attributed by Bruce Hoffman to individuals and groups with ties to the Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ. A group called Concerned Christians was deported from Israel on suspicion of planning to attack holy sites in Jerusalem at the end of 1999; they believed that their deaths would "lead them to heaven"

In 1996 three men—Charles Barbee, Robert Berry and Jay Merelle—were charged with two bank robberies and bombings at the banks, a Spokane newspaper, and a Planned Parenthood office in Washington State. The men were anti-Semitic Christian Identity theorists who believed that God wanted them to carry out violent attacks and that such attacks would hasten the ascendancy of the Aryan race.

Just three examples - plenty more out there
Watch out for the red string on the wrist wearers...
They were on the bench marked W as well

Btw , May 1st .....came through, true to form the boys held their ceremony

8 people at a pool,bang on schedule. The evil fkrs

Ps
I know many will not have a clue what I'm on about , I'm hoping u start looking into these things for Ur self ... THEN the conversation can start.

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Brian d marge

2nd May 2017, 23:03

Voltaire

3rd May 2017, 08:04

other notable "Clever Cookies"

Hitler

Stalin

Mao

Pol Pot

" its hard work being a Dictator, you don't get much help" Donald Trumph

oldrider

3rd May 2017, 10:30

Talk about crazy world - it doesn't get much crazier than this lot! ;- http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/05/01/trump-mum-on-north-korea-red-line-says-act-if-have-to-act.html :weird:

Brian d marge

5th May 2017, 13:36

Currencies only last a few years, the boys need big boom boom, as their "kicking the can down the road" trick is running out of steam. yellen cannot raise interest rates.0.0025% isnt raising interest rates ...its a token. ( and if you are printing the principal AND charging interest on that image, you will need "big boom boom" to reset the game .

The game plan hasnt changed in 1000s of years , Greece did it to sparta , and my father did it to the fat car mechanic ( Tutankhamen, 2 ton car man ,,,get it hahaha! )

What was his name ,? Tiberius ? 33ad ? used all his personal fortune to kick start the roman economy ( we call it Quantitative easing now! ) , Why ,because the silver was draining away to the temples through tyre ( a place in arab land) ,

anyway the results in ALL cases ALL through history were the same and if we think we are any different , I would beg to differ

Syria , oil pipeline ( do they have a central bank?) N korea , drugs and ya dont get in the way of the boys money streams ! they need that money to pay back money the borrowed back in the day ! ( Look what they have done to ALL alternative currencies , Edward the first and his tally sticks ....and you think bitcoin will be ok ,,,,hahaaha not ,)

but what about China ? government controlled money based on surplus? ( i will have to check on that ) and a TON of gold and why are you building "ghost cities " in the centre of ya country , you telling me that these "rich people" built a whole city and no one wants to move there , by accident.

Bullshit

No the fkers KNOW what they are doing , or what is happening , and as its a small club and we aint in it , it can only end in tears for us

unless we just stop playing ball ,

imho

p.s these raving were bought to you by a fake keyboard using fake intelligence that rival CNN.:facepalm:

oldrider

6th May 2017, 18:21

Yemen: War Crimes, Mass Starvation and Genocide. What You Aren’t Being Told About US Involvement in Yemen:-

http://www.globalresearch.ca/yemen-war-crimes-mass-starvation-and-genocide-what-you-arent-being-told-about-us-involvement-in-yemen/5588319 :corn:

Brian d marge

6th May 2017, 18:28

Meh the US have no panash , not like the British, we STILL command respect and blind Faith , even after our war crimes , THAT is how the game is played

Trump is a rank amateur

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oldrider

6th May 2017, 19:17

Trump’s Indonesian Allies in Bed with ISIS-Backed FPI Militia: They Seek to Oust Elected President Jokowi :-

http://www.globalresearch.ca/trumps-indonesian-allies-in-bed-with-isis-backed-fpi-militia-they-seek-to-oust-elected-president-jokowi/5588694

The last thing we need is an American presence in Australia or New Zealand and all that goes with it - who needs enemies with friends like them? :doh:

oldrider

7th May 2017, 19:10

Israel Supreme Court? - Why would they bother if not totally relevant to them?:- https://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-israel-supreme-court/ Interesting? - Absolutely! :corn:

Ocean1

8th May 2017, 14:28

Right...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/92335535/tax-freedom-day-has-arrived-and-so-has-the-time-to-talk-about-tax-fairness

... next year my Xmas holiday ends 8th May.

oldrider

10th May 2017, 09:27

Russia is not a threat to world peace says Putin:- http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/09/putin-says-no-force-ever-existed-to-conquer-russian-people/ Compare Russian history to that of America? :rolleyes:

Brian d marge

10th May 2017, 13:01

Right...

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/money/92335535/tax-freedom-day-has-arrived-and-so-has-the-time-to-talk-about-tax-fairness

... next year my Xmas holiday ends 8th May.

a good article THX1138

oldrider

10th May 2017, 15:33

Never really fully understood this situation and I worry that it will bite us on the arse someday! - http://johnpilger.com/articles/the-universal-lesson-of-the-courage-of-east-timor Interesting? :scratch:

I think so! :corn:

Brian d marge

11th May 2017, 22:12

And New Zealand ratifies the TTP,.
Sheep ,leading sheep.

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Akzle

12th May 2017, 12:36

And New Zealand ratifies the TTP,.

i didn't .

Brian d marge

12th May 2017, 16:29

i didn't .

I know, "they" did

Du contrat social ou Principes du droit politique "unwilling subjects will be forced to obey the general will: they will be "forced to be free." "

oldrider

15th May 2017, 18:30

This (plausible?) video clip should satisfy the lust but will it do anything for the proponents cause? - you be the judge! :corn:

American democracy at it's best? - Interesting! :rolleyes:

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mashman

18th May 2017, 16:34

husaberg

18th May 2017, 21:12

Financial Weapons Of Mass Destruction: Top 25 US Banks Have 222 Trillion Dollars Derivatives Exposure (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-16/financial-weapons-mass-destruction-top-25-us-banks-have-222-trillion-dollars-derivat)... quick, buy property :killingme

It was in a Harold
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11857022
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goldman-sachs:killingme

Even though Goldman Sachs execs testified on the Hill that AIG bailout funds it received did not stay with the bank, but were dispersed as compensation to clients and institutions on the other side of a prop trade gone wrong, it actually kept $2.9 billion for itself, according to a report by the FCIC
Taxpayers were told the AIG bailout was absolutely necessary to save the economy, not to save an investment bank that would emerge from the crisis pretty much unscathed.
When news broke back in '09 that Goldman had received about $14 billion from the AIG bailout, the bank categorically denied accusations that any money had gone into its own private account.
Their line was that they were not a bailout recipient, and they stuck to it.
But the email that the FCIC report describes, which the bank itself authored, shows that was a lie.
According to the report, Goldman sent an the e-mail acknowledging that $2.9 billion in AIG funds did in fact end up in its own account.

Less than three years after receiving $10 billion in bailout money from American taxpayers, Goldman Sachs informed its employees recently that it will fire 1,000 workers in the United States and elsewhere, shifting their jobs to the cheaper Singaporean labor market.
According to Fox Business, Goldman Sachs has quietly informed workers and lawmakers of its plan to outsource 1,000 jobs in an attempt to inoculate itself from the impending blowback:

Akzle

18th May 2017, 22:37

Brian d marge

18th May 2017, 22:59

hahahahaha, all of the jews. vote akzle :bleh:
Well they used the German IB farben gold , and that has to be paid back. Fools

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Akzle

19th May 2017, 06:29

Well they used the German IB farben gold , and that has to be paid back. Fools

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...or

kill them all.

Brian d marge

19th May 2017, 19:06

...or

kill them all.
No, just don't use their paper backed by lies and deceit.

That really winds em up

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oldrider

19th May 2017, 22:09

Libya – Why Was Muammar Gaddafi Killed? – May We Never Forget? http://www.globalresearch.ca/libya-why-was-muammar-gaddafi-killed-may-we-never-forget/5590628 :corn:

Seven countries independent of the USA Zionist federal reserve central banking system - Only North Korea, Syria and Iran left to go? :rolleyes:

This crap has gone on long enough - wake up Western world - it's almost too late! :bye:

Will Libya Become The New Syria Now That Russian Forces Have Arrived? - http://www.globalresearch.ca/will-libya-become-the-new-syria-now-that-russian-forces-have-arrived/5580749?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles Again by "invitation" from Libya? :scratch:

Brian d marge

20th May 2017, 14:58

Meanwhile news from England

Bye Internet , Thanks Teresa May. ( for fks sake dont vote her in The elite kidde fiddlers still get their jollies , but my right hand will have to use its imagination. the fkers ;A free mediaAt a time when the internet is changing the way people obtain their news, we also need to take steps to protect the reliability and objectivity of information that is
essential to our democracy and a free and independent press.

policeman, 40 000 pounds a year , , cracking Joke Teresa ! , why dont you just put the military on the streets , worked in Ireland !

NHS, ....pay the insurance companies 80% and the nurses and Doctors 20% , works in America !

Fracking;
We will therefore develop the shale industry in Britain. We will only be able to do so if

we maintain public confidence in the process,

Oh and I wanted to buy a book from Amazon..... but I couldnt it was taken off the shelves ......

Dont worry I still have the Speakright , and thirty mins a day of Glorious Leader !

and the foxes are fked ; A vote would be held on repealing the ban on fox hunting

oldrider

20th May 2017, 20:12

Sympathies to the poor old motorcyclist! - Ouch! :Oops:

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Brian d marge

20th May 2017, 21:55

Biblical flood could be 'more than just a fairy tale'. Is another coming? MICHAEL DALY
Last updated 15:53, May 20 201

Stuff.co.nz , you just keep giving .........what a pity I cant use it on me roses , they would love it

mashman

23rd May 2017, 22:58

Ya can't drink "compensation" (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/environment/news/article.cfm?c_id=39&objectid=11859193&ref=rss)

Brian d marge

23rd May 2017, 22:59

The numbers don't lie ,. Gutted for Manchester.

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Brian d marge

24th May 2017, 10:17

The numbers don't lie ,. Gutted for Manchester.

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There ya go , what did I tell you , watch the clampdowns on all freedoms and speech , because of " terror" ..... fkin evil scum

waffle waffle waffle , Teresa may , but then ,,,, here come johnny ; Snip

This means that armed police officers responsible for duties such as guarding key sites will be replaced by members of the armed forces, which will allow the police to significantly increase the number of armed officers on patrol in key locations. You might also see military personnel deployed at certain events such as concerts and sports matches, helping the police to keep the public safe.

I'm moving to china , they have liberty .......

Katman

24th May 2017, 11:01

This means that armed police officers responsible for duties such as guarding key sites will be replaced by members of the armed forces, which will allow the police to significantly increase the number of armed officers on patrol in key locations. You might also see military personnel deployed at certain events such as concerts and sports matches, helping the police to keep the public safe.

It's almost as though these sorts of events play right into the authorities hands.

:whistle:

Brian d marge

24th May 2017, 11:36

It's almost as though these sorts of events play right into the authorities hands.

:whistle:
I wouldn't be going out on any date
With a 7, 11, or multiples of ,

These people are like clockwork.

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Banditbandit

24th May 2017, 14:22

There ya go , what did I tell you , watch the clampdowns on all freedoms and speech , because of " terror" ..... fkin evil scum

waffle waffle waffle , Teresa may , but then ,,,, here come johnny ; Snip

This means that armed police officers responsible for duties such as guarding key sites will be replaced by members of the armed forces, which will allow the police to significantly increase the number of armed officers on patrol in key locations. You might also see military personnel deployed at certain events such as concerts and sports matches, helping the police to keep the public safe.

I'm moving to china , they have liberty .......

The European reaction has never been that extreme - their response is the terrorist want to scare us so we will not be scared and we will carry on as usual ... In marked contrast to the US response - which has been one of fear and circle the wagons ..

Brian d marge

24th May 2017, 14:24

The European reaction has never been that extreme - their response is the terrorist want to scare us so we will not be scared and we will carry on as usual ... In marked contrast to the US response - which has been one of fear and circle the wagons ..
Yes but circling the wagons is way cooler than the British "mustn't grumble"

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Akzle

24th May 2017, 18:53

there was that other thread.,.but meh

http://www.cracked.com/blog/dont-know-what-to-do-with-your-life-its-not-your-fault/

Brian d marge

24th May 2017, 20:43

there was that other thread.,.but meh

http://www.cracked.com/blog/dont-know-what-to-do-with-your-life-its-not-your-fault/
Some of them will simply feel it as a gnawing angst in middle age that they'll tamp down with cocaine and illicit sex

And the problem is ?

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mashman

24th May 2017, 21:03

These people are like clockwork.

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A 22 yr old killed 22 people on the 22nd.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Bones_logo.jpg

Brian d marge

24th May 2017, 23:18

A 22 yr old killed 22 people on the 22nd.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/41/Bones_logo.jpg
A multiple of Boaz and jachin

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Brian d marge

25th May 2017, 01:13

A quick word from our sponsors
https://youtu.be/kJDephpcCZA

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Akzle

25th May 2017, 19:08

'memba all dem joos i hates?
http://www.cracked.com/article_15967_the-awful-truth-behind-5-items-probably-your-grocery-list.html

im srsly getting good value out of cracked.

Brian d marge

26th May 2017, 09:12

'memba all dem joos i hates?
http://www.cracked.com/article_15967_the-awful-truth-behind-5-items-probably-your-grocery-list.html

im srsly getting good value out of cracked.
Allen Dullies
Lovely chap ,. Did a bit of reading on him I did
Strange he should make an appearance
What is , or what was going on in South America Mr dullies .... Can I cash me Giro? It's gold backed.

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oldrider

29th May 2017, 22:32

A story stranger than fiction - how much longer can the official explanation hold up? - probably worth a look for those who might be interested? :corn:

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Katman

30th May 2017, 11:53

Woodman

30th May 2017, 19:25

<img src="http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-shortly-the-public-will-be-unable-to-reason-or-think-for-themselves-they-ll-only-be-zbigniew-brzezinski-82-48-78.jpg"/>

What about conspiracy misinformation websites?

Brian d marge

30th May 2017, 19:27

What about conspiracy misinformation websites?
BBC or CNN or stuff.co.nz

Which one in particular?

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Katman

30th May 2017, 19:43

What about conspiracy misinformation websites?

I don't think Brzezinski was talking about any sort of website back in 1972.

Brian d marge

30th May 2017, 20:02

I don't think Brzezinski was talking about any sort of website back in 1972.
Thank God he is dead . I hope its warm there

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oldrider

30th May 2017, 21:46

Brian d marge

30th May 2017, 22:25

The birthplace of modern terrorism all in preparation for 9/11 and the current situation? :blip:

The Real Story of Zbigniew Brzezinski That the Media Isn’t Telling! http://theantimedia.org/real-story-zbigniew-brzezinski/ :corn:
Haha I got his book the grand chessboard that's one bit of pond scum I'm glad is taking to his god, I hope it's hot...

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digitalguy

31st May 2017, 10:44

The other one. https://www.harmoney.com/how-it-works

I'm amazed Stupid World hasn't been tripping over it's collective bottom lip trumpeting the end of evel bank domination of the financial sector.

I mean, fuck, real actual money not pulled out of fresh air!

I do think that this one is way better https://advancedcash.co.nz/bad-credit-loans-nz/. Check it.

But yeah, you are right.

mashman

31st May 2017, 14:33

oldrider

31st May 2017, 21:03

Brian d marge

31st May 2017, 23:16

Venezuelan opposition threatens country won't pay Goldman Sachs' $2.8 billion bond deal (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/venezuelan-opposition-threatens-country-won-030450561.html)... Money. The great facilitator :killingme.

oh the wise gypsy woman is telling me; this may not end well

on a brighter note , Rome collapsed form the outside in...... just sayin thats all

Brian d marge

31st May 2017, 23:19

At last (thanks to the internet) people like Churchill can be exposed for who and what they really were. :kick:

The crimes of Winston Churchill: https://crimesofbritain.com/2016/09/13/the-trial-of-winston-churchill/ :corn:

anyone who drinks 8 or more bottles of champange a day then sets fire to half of western Europe . has skills I'm not worthy of

I can only do 3 bottles and a small Japanese kitchen

Grumph

1st June 2017, 06:40

anyone who drinks 8 or more bottles of champange a day then sets fire to half of western Europe . has skills I'm not worthy of

I can only do 3 bottles and a small Japanese kitchen

Try 2 or 3 beers and a tin of Linklyfe on the stove top....The culprit shall remain nameless but his wife left shortly afterward.

I saw the remains of the kitchen and Churchill would have been impressed.

Voltaire

1st June 2017, 07:50

At last (thanks to the internet) people like Churchill can be exposed for who and what they really were. :kick:

The crimes of Winston Churchill: https://crimesofbritain.com/2016/09/13/the-trial-of-winston-churchill/ :corn:

seeing a you like conspiracy theories, without Churchill WW2 would probably have played out like:

Chamberlain making a peace deal with Herr Hitler.
Germany with no need to cover a second front defeats USSR
USA remained neutral
Japan takes over SEA and Pacific.

The British certainly have a dark history, they oppressed my ancestors for 800 years.

oldrider

1st June 2017, 09:25

seeing a you like conspiracy theories, without Churchill WW2 would probably have played out like:

Chamberlain making a peace deal with Herr Hitler.
Germany with no need to cover a second front defeats USSR
USA remained neutral
Japan takes over SEA and Pacific.

The British certainly have a dark history, they oppressed my ancestors for 800 years.

Only the USA people were neutral - their ("elected"?) government never ever was - the whole thing was orchestrated right from the get go! :shifty:

Brian d marge

1st June 2017, 11:40

Only the USA people were neutral - their ("elected"?) government never ever was - the whole thing was orchestrated right from the get go! :shifty:
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mashman

1st June 2017, 12:59

oh the wise gypsy woman is telling me; this may not end well

on a brighter note , Rome collapsed form the outside in...... just sayin thats all

Is she Greek?

Brian d marge

1st June 2017, 13:08

Is she Greek?
Of Venezuelan, Spanish decent

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mashman

1st June 2017, 13:43

Of Venezuelan, Spanish decent

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You sure one her armpit hairs didn't stray onto her ball.

Brian d marge

1st June 2017, 23:28

You sure one her armpit hairs didn't stray onto her ball.

one has the "hand of god"

One is sure .:devil2:

Katman

2nd June 2017, 10:21

http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/05/31/terror-in-britain-what-did-the-prime-minister-know/

Katman

4th June 2017, 18:19

This reminds me of Ocean1.

<img src="https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B5-lDJWCUAAwfya.jpg"/>

husaberg

4th June 2017, 18:26

http://www.artshine.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/success-460x261.jpg

Brian d marge

8th June 2017, 21:15

Brian d marge

11th June 2017, 02:25

There is something not right in Denmark. WTF was that Tory manifesto ? Longest suicide note in history.
Now these people ain't stupid , so wtf are the boys up to , do they want a labour win ? Has Corbin been caught in a compromise? Hampsters and oranges while hanging upside down in a closet? Hung parlement to stop brexit , or fk it we are going to crash the economy in august anyway so who cares...? In a rigged game one thing is certain , the house always wins

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331269331271

GGWP , brilliant play,,,,, well maneuvered . Get the older un-internet -uninformed oldies to reject Corbyn ( IRA supporting terrorist) and vote for The anti terrorist Theresa May due to 2 attacks that were allowed to happen etc but with the longest suicide note in history ,
The younger ones who have never known life outside of the EU to swing towards the activist Corbyn. The plan all along is to destabilize the Brexit . Now watch all the anti brexit rhetoric spew forth .... oh and Sopa , remember that , well its back on the agenda, this time under a new name ,( if it comes back under a different name , its the same people with the same agenda )

oldrider

12th June 2017, 13:52

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCDjDorVwAAVUpm.jpg - Yeah right!:rofl:
Or this?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DCBdogXUAAAKIQk.jpg

Brian d marge

14th June 2017, 02:09

why do I always have to spread me cheeks

oldrider

18th June 2017, 20:03

Review of Thomas Suarez’s “State of Terror” https://israelpalestinenews.org/review-thomas-surezs-state-terror/ - Interesting short read! :shifty:

Fatalities Timeline
All people killed in the Israel-Palestine conflict since 2000. View the list

Akzle

23rd June 2017, 08:52

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2012/06/26/technology/in-a-big-network-of-computers-evidence-of-machine-learning.html

Berries

25th June 2017, 09:33

Looked like quite a good general assembly - http://www.bbc.com/sport/taekwondo/40391326

Brian d marge

28th June 2017, 14:51

I see your WTF and raise you

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talking to louise Cypher ( Lucifer ?) I get ;

you cant make this shit up ,,,,,,why are you evil?

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bogan

28th June 2017, 17:25

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/94089004/takers-exploit-swap-space-in-te-awamutu

Looks like we are not ready for the RBE yet...

TheDemonLord

28th June 2017, 19:46

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/94089004/takers-exploit-swap-space-in-te-awamutu

Looks like we are not ready for the RBE yet...

Funny that - I checked and we are still Humans....

Ocean1

28th June 2017, 19:53

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/94089004/takers-exploit-swap-space-in-te-awamutu

Looks like we are not ready for the RBE yet...

:laugh: At the old lady waiting over the road until someone delivers something and swooping on the lot. :laugh:

At least they're trying something at the level they can manage, rather than blaming every other cunt for their own failure to do anything at all.

And it sounds like it's almost working.

bogan

28th June 2017, 20:05

:laugh: At the old lady waiting over the road until someone delivers something and swooping on the lot. :laugh:

At least they're trying something at the level they can manage, rather than blaming every other cunt for their own failure to do anything at all.

And it sounds like it's almost working.

Yeh, to be clear I have nothing but respect for those trying to start off this sort of work; it's just the fuckwits who contribute nothing that are ruining it.

TheDemonLord

28th June 2017, 23:49

Yeh, to be clear I have nothing but respect for those trying to start off this sort of work; it's just the fuckwits who contribute nothing that are ruining it.

Just like everything else in life....

mashman

29th June 2017, 00:00

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/94089004/takers-exploit-swap-space-in-te-awamutu

Looks like we are not ready for the RBE yet...

Yup, "there are some doing a lot more receiving than others" and that are still driven by that money scarcity behaviour, whereas "Most people grasped the idea".

At least you're trying to know what Resource Based Economy is about.

Yeh, to be clear I have nothing but respect for those trying to start off this sort of work; it's just the fuckwits who contribute nothing that are ruining it.

"You don't know what circumstances people are in, but you'd hope people wouldn't take unless they needed it.".

Brian d marge

29th June 2017, 01:28

but peak oil , it will run out by 2050 and then what shall we do , thats why its so expensive ,

bogan

10th July 2017, 20:21

Saw this and thought of our own stupid worlders...

<img src="//imgs.xkcd.com/comics/communicating.png" title="You're saying that the responsibility for avoiding miscommunication lies entirely with the listener, not the speaker, which explains why you haven't been able to convince anyone to help you down from that wall." alt="Communicating" srcset="//imgs.xkcd.com/comics/communicating_2x.png 2x">

Don't forget the mouseover caption :innocent:

mashman

11th July 2017, 12:04

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/718TB3MSFTL.gif

Akzle

11th July 2017, 19:52

oldrider

11th July 2017, 20:51

https://www.icij.org/blog/2017/03/lawsuit-world-bank-arm-aided-firm-hired-death-squads

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-04/global-debt-hits-325-world-gdp-rises-record-217-trillion

Getting near time to move the decimal point - but the larger the debt gets it the more obvious it becomes - so it's not all bad! :corn:

Fortunately war is "not" the only way to trim the ship it is just more suitable to meet the overall needs of the current controllers:doh: not the average Joe! :oi-grr:

Ocean1

12th July 2017, 07:51

https://www.icij.org/blog/2017/03/lawsuit-world-bank-arm-aided-firm-hired-death-squads

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-04/global-debt-hits-325-world-gdp-rises-record-217-trillion

quick ocean, esplain how it's all ok cos you voted for it....

ahhhhh. jews.

Actually, I voted to stop paying lazy cunts that don't work.

'Specially those that blame everyone else for choosing otherwise.

And I see the rabid left continues to hold true to their principles: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94606199/labour-to-prioritise-families-and-scrap-budget-tax-cuts

Which the whole country is obviously in full agreement with: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/94589812/labours-poll-hit-grim-news-for-the-party

Akzle

12th July 2017, 07:54

Actually, I voted to stop paying lazy cunts that don't work.

'Specially those that blame everyone else for choosing otherwise.

well, i'm glad that sorted out the//

wait, what?

mashman

12th July 2017, 14:42

Actually, I voted to stop paying lazy cunts that don't work.

Glad to see you don't vote. Mind you, best be careful what you wish for as your customers customers customers customers won't last very long. Doesn't bode well for you, but, hypothetically, I'd dearly love to see that (no payo de lazyo) happen just to see the look on your face as you file for bankruptcy.

Brian d marge

12th July 2017, 16:47

The same polls that said britain would leave the Eu , Hitlary was dog and the Russian did it .

Heres a quick poll , Question ; What do you think of the current crop of MPs ? Answer; Hang the fking lot of em .

That poll was based of Facts , because I wrote it ,

Ocean1

12th July 2017, 17:15

Glad to see you don't vote. Mind you, best be careful what you wish for as your customers customers customers customers won't last very long. Doesn't bode well for you, but, hypothetically, I'd dearly love to see that (no payo de lazyo) happen just to see the look on your face as you file for bankruptcy.

Lazy cunts don't contribute a jot to my income, dude, quite the reverse. They contribute fuck all to anyone's income, including their own.

So, like most of the rest of the "productive sector" I'll continue to wish they got of their collective arses and stopped expecting everyone else to pay for their lunches.

mashman

12th July 2017, 18:48

Lazy cunts don't contribute a jot to my income, dude, quite the reverse. They contribute fuck all to anyone's income, including their own.

So, like most of the rest of the "productive sector" I'll continue to wish they got of their collective arses and stopped expecting everyone else to pay for their lunches.

Of course they do. They spend virtually everything they get back into the economy allowing the customers of customers of customers of customers to provide income for people in a supply chain that ends up in some weird corner at your place whether you like it or not. It's not rocket science dude, just basic economics.

Wish? You said vote. Anyhoo... praps the "productive sector" should pay a wage making it worthwhile for the lazy to get off their arse and contribute in a manner that you would consider conducive to productivity? Obviously that's rhetorical, coz the govt got you guys covered - Living Wage > Adult Minimum Wage > Starting-Out Minimum Wage > Training Minimum Wage.

bogan

12th July 2017, 18:58

Of course they do. They spend virtually everything they get back into the economy allowing the customers of customers of customers of customers to provide income for people in a supply chain that ends up in some weird corner at your place whether you like it or not. It's not rocket science dude, just basic economics.

Wish? You said vote. Anyhoo... praps the "productive sector" should pay a wage making it worthwhile for the lazy to get off their arse and contribute in a manner that you would consider conducive to productivity? Obviously that's rhetorical, coz the govt got you guys covered - Living Wage > Adult Minimum Wage > Starting-Out Minimum Wage > Training Minimum Wage.

The concept of 'net income' is pretty basic economics too, perhaps you should apply it.

mashman

12th July 2017, 19:24

The concept of 'net income' is pretty basic economics too, perhaps you should apply it.

Are you saying that the "pay a wage making it worthwhile" has nothing to do with net income?

bogan

12th July 2017, 19:35

Are you saying that the "pay a wage making it worthwhile" has nothing to do with net income?

No, I'm saying net income would include taxes taken to give lazy fuckers money, as well as the money the lazy fuckers pay you with that money; so there is clearly no net return on the work input.

The wage making it worthwhile is of course, a relative one.

Ocean1

12th July 2017, 21:23

Are you saying that the "pay a wage making it worthwhile" has nothing to do with net income?

Here's the thing, dude: it's the guy buying the employees services that gets to decide what those services are worth. If you don't think that's right then a) tough shit, and b) I have a hammer here you should pay $375000.00 for.

Oh, and lazy cunts contributing their dole "earnings" to the greater good? :lol: I'm pretty sure not paying them in the first place produces better results.

mashman

12th July 2017, 23:50

No, I'm saying net income would include taxes taken to give lazy fuckers money, as well as the money the lazy fuckers pay you with that money; so there is clearly no net return on the work input.

The wage making it worthwhile is of course, a relative one.

Why didn't you say that in the first place instead of assuming that it hasn't been taken into consid............. yeah, it has been a while. NOW I remember where I Am.

Here's the thing, dude: it's the guy buying the employees services that gets to decide what those services are worth. If you don't think that's right then a) tough shit, and b) I have a hammer here you should pay $375000.00 for.

Oh, and lazy cunts contributing their dole "earnings" to the greater good? :lol: I'm pretty sure not paying them in the first place produces better results.

Yeah I know. The same people that pay so so much that employees have to wear the stigma of being a negative net tax contributor. If you don't think that's right then a) tough shit, and b) I have a hammer here you can have for free, coz I'm not a cunt.

I'm pretty sure that people are given that money to stop them from finding other creative ways of getting what they want, ways that aren't exactly business friendly practice. So yeah, nah... I doubt the results would be anywhere near as business friendly as they currently are.

mashman

13th July 2017, 10:55

A smarter society would have harvested it. (https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/jul/12/giant-antarctic-iceberg-breaks-free-of-larsen-c-ice-shelf)

pritch

13th July 2017, 14:11

Heres a quick poll , Question ; What do you think of the current crop of MPs ?

Saw a discussion this morning about the standard of British MPs. The consensus (if anything on the 'Net can ever be described as such) was that the current British Parliament is of the lowest standard in living memory. There is still nobody in either party who understands the first thing about what brexit will involve. They are still continually surprised by things they should have known. The extent of their ignorance is astounding; even if, like me, you don't actually expect much from politicians.

If you then look across the Atlantic the situation is even worse. The Republicans are motivated entirely by their own narrow self interest. The Democrats have learned nothing from their recent and ongoing defeats, and the whole thing is lead by some white supremacists and a guy who seemingly spends all day watching his favourite TV programmes between rounds of golf.

God forbid that we have an international crisis of some sort.

pritch

13th July 2017, 14:25

They contribute fuck all to anyone's income, including their own.

The fastest way to boost an economy is to increase welfare payments. The bennies need to spend all their income, so any increase goes into the economy with immediate effect. Giving the top 10% a tax reduction on the other hand just means most of the cash goes to various tax shelters and has no appreciable effect on the economy.

'Right thinking people' may not like that but it is true.

Akzle

13th July 2017, 14:28

Here's the thing, dude: it's the guy buying the employees services that gets to decide what those services are worth. If you don't think that's right then a) tough shit, and b) I have a hammer here you should pay $375000.00 for.

Oh, and lazy cunts contributing their dole "earnings" to the greater good? :lol: I'm pretty sure not paying them in the first place produces better results.

yeah right so uhh. how is "the world" going to pay back "the debt" which is three times m0ar than it has??

don't worry i'll wait.

Ocean1

13th July 2017, 14:29

Yeah I know. The same people that pay so so much that employees have to wear the stigma of being a negative net tax contributor. If you don't think that's right then a) tough shit, and b) I have a hammer here you can have for free, coz I'm not a cunt.

I'm pretty sure that people are given that money to stop them from finding other creative ways of getting what they want, ways that aren't exactly business friendly practice. So yeah, nah... I doubt the results would be anywhere near as business friendly as they currently are.

That's easy fixed. Stop using taxpayers money for paying them to do fuck all. And I already have a hammer, I'm selling it and according to you I get to set the price. Pay up.

We pay them for doing fuck all so they don't steal it anyway? :laugh: Tell me, dude, how many of them receive both types of stolen goods in any given year? Court records will tell you.

Brian d marge

13th July 2017, 15:03

yeah right so uhh. how is "the world" going to pay back "the debt" which is three times m0ar than it has??

don't worry i'll wait.
Big boom boom

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bogan

13th July 2017, 17:34

Why didn't you say that in the first place instead of assuming that it hasn't been taken into consid.............

It clearly had not been as your post said they contributed by spending the money back into the economy; taking net income into account means they contribute nothing, a direct contradiction of what you wrote. But I spose now it's time for you to put the responsibility of misunderstanding solely on the reader again? I think there is a picture for that somewhere...

bogan

13th July 2017, 17:56

The fastest way to boost an economy is to increase welfare payments. The bennies need to spend all their income, so any increase goes into the economy with immediate effect. Giving the top 10% a tax reduction on the other hand just means most of the cash goes to various tax shelters and has no appreciable effect on the economy.

'Right thinking people' may not like that but it is true.

Seems like a short term gain though. Bennies buying stuff from the people who gave them the money through tax is essentially (in an economic sense) the same as just setting a portion of your production on fire, not real efficient. Perhaps just burn the bennies instead, and knock off an hour early :bleh:

mashman

13th July 2017, 19:51

That's easy fixed. Stop using taxpayers money for paying them to do fuck all. And I already have a hammer, I'm selling it and according to you I get to set the price. Pay up.

We pay them for doing fuck all so they don't steal it anyway? :laugh: Tell me, dude, how many of them receive both types of stolen goods in any given year? Court records will tell you.

Why would I buy a hammer given that I'm willing to give another one away from free? You can indeed set the price, coz, as a customer, if I walked into a store and took what I wanted for free, coz that's the way I roll, the person who doesn't set the price, according to you, will have me thrown in jail for not paying the price they had set.

Does that include tax evasion... which obviously has many more proponents.

It clearly had not been as your post said they contributed by spending the money back into the economy; taking net income into account means they contribute nothing, a direct contradiction of what you wrote. But I spose now it's time for you to put the responsibility of misunderstanding solely on the reader again? I think there is a picture for that somewhere...

Yet they contribute more than if they had saved the money and spent none of it, or indeed spent it all on black market goods. :yawn:

Ocean1

13th July 2017, 20:18

The fastest way to boost an economy is to increase welfare payments. The bennies need to spend all their income, so any increase goes into the economy with immediate effect. Giving the top 10% a tax reduction on the other hand just means most of the cash goes to various tax shelters and has no appreciable effect on the economy.

'Right thinking people' may not like that but it is true.

Probably correct. Briefly. Although the owners of that money would probably rather spend it their way. And I'm not sure boosting KFC and Macas bottom line is really helping the economy much.

Ocean1

13th July 2017, 20:28

Why would I buy a hammer given that I'm willing to give another one away from free? You can indeed set the price, coz, as a customer, if I walked into a store and took what I wanted for free, coz that's the way I roll, the person who doesn't set the price, according to you, will have me thrown in jail for not paying the price they had set.

Does that include tax evasion... which obviously has many more proponents.

Then why would I hire anyone for more than the value they contribute to the product?

And show me where there's more people evading tax than there are dole bludgers.

Actually, just give up, your shits getting real old.

mashman

13th July 2017, 20:46

Then why would I hire anyone for more than the value they contribute to the product?

And show me where there's more people evading tax than there are dole bludgers.

Actually, just give up, your shits getting real old.

Didn't say you would. Not sure how you even got to that.

Didn't say there were. Was just asking if it included those numbers.

It's not my shit when it's you that keeps making things up that I never said innit.

bogan

13th July 2017, 21:06

Yet they contribute more than if they had saved the money and spent none of it, or indeed spent it all on black market goods. :yawn:

You clearly do not understand the 'net' concept I suggested you apply earlier. All that they can spend comes from other people's contributions, no matter how much they give back, they can only aspire to a zero net contribution, of course in most cases it stays as a negative net contribution.

mashman

13th July 2017, 21:25

You clearly do not understand the 'net' concept I suggested you apply earlier. All that they can spend comes from other people's contributions, no matter how much they give back, they can only aspire to a zero net contribution, of course in most cases it stays as a negative net contribution.

Did I deny that? If I had have stated out right that which you were saying was wrong, as in the definition of 'net income', then fine, assert your little ass away. Given that that isn't the case, please refer to your picture humpty. Come on straw man. I seem to remember you being better than the effort you've put in so far. I guess I gave you way too much credit.

Katman

13th July 2017, 21:29

I seem to remember you being better than the effort you've put in so far.

I suspect you're thinking of someone else.

bogan

13th July 2017, 21:40

Did I deny that? If I had have stated out right that which you were saying was wrong, as in the definition of 'net income', then fine, assert your little ass away. Given that that isn't the case, please refer to your picture humpty. Come on straw man. I seem to remember you being better than the effort you've put in so far. I guess I gave you way too much credit.

I was simply asserting that if you were applying the 'net' concept (and understanding that it's application is appropriate), you would need to concede they were not making any net contribution. Now that you have conceded such, the humpty is not required.

So where is the straw man?

mashman

13th July 2017, 22:42

I suspect you're thinking of someone else.

heh... at least you only suspect what my thinking is.

I was simply asserting that if you were applying the 'net' concept (and understanding that it's application is appropriate), you would need to concede they were not making any net contribution. Now that you have conceded such, the humpty is not required.

So where is the straw man?

Of course the lazy are making a contribution. They're passing money on to businesses that otherwise wouldn't receive that money. Ya know, just like them other hundreds of thousands of people who aren't lazy and work exceptionally hard but are still a net tax burden. They are a tax burden, which does not mean that there is no contribution in any terms other than financial.

The straw man was your creation of an argument that states that nothing is put back into the economy which it most definitely is irrespective of whether it's a positive contribution or a negative one. The contribution exists.

TheDemonLord

13th July 2017, 23:22

The fastest way to boost an economy is to increase welfare payments. The bennies need to spend all their income, so any increase goes into the economy with immediate effect. Giving the top 10% a tax reduction on the other hand just means most of the cash goes to various tax shelters and has no appreciable effect on the economy.

'Right thinking people' may not like that but it is true.

Erm - look at the Great Depression in the US - the way out was to undertake a large number of big public works (which provided both work for the unemployed AND improvements in infrastructure)

Brian d marge

13th July 2017, 23:28

Erm - look at the Great Depression in the US - the way out was to undertake a large number of big public works (which provided both work for the unemployed AND improvements in infrastructure) Dont forget the war , reduces a few bennies AND made some shekels
Oh then , they used it as an excuse to hide the gold ....and launder the gold , and steal the gold ....

we need another war

Akzle

14th July 2017, 07:13

ja so.
still waiting for ocean to pay his debt.

and also explain this clusterfuck.

Ocean1

14th July 2017, 07:44

ja so.
still waiting for ocean to pay his debt.

and also explain this clusterfuck.

I have zero debt.

And no problem with any that do.

Just fuckwits that bleat about both of those choices.

Akzle

14th July 2017, 07:59

I have zero debt.

And no problem with any that do.

Just fuckwits that bleat about both of those choices.

well actually cunt, ya do.by virtue of being a citizen you owe me 18.1k$. (still). your wife and kids, too.
https://debtclock.tv/world/new-zealand/

and by virtue of being in "the world" your debt is three times more than you have.

come on man, tell me again how jews are good and currency works...

Ocean1

14th July 2017, 08:09

well actually cunt, ya do.by virtue of being a citizen you owe me 18.1k$. (still). your wife and kids, too.
https://debtclock.tv/world/new-zealand/

and by virtue of being in "the world" your debt is three times more than you have.

come on man, tell me again how jews are good and currency works...

Well actually cunt, I don't. Not a jot.

In fact some small piece of that debt: is owed to me.

Now fuck off and find a job, you lazy cunt.

Akzle

14th July 2017, 09:10

Well actually cunt, I don't. Not a jot.

In fact some small piece of that debt: is owed to me.

Now fuck off and find a job, you lazy cunt.

no. you actually do. you voted yourself a great big chunk of the 18 odd billion that "nz" "owes"

why job? snowboarding is more fun.

and still with a thorough lack of explanation as to the remedy here... what, with "owing" more than exists, and the whatnot.

mashman

14th July 2017, 10:30

no. you actually do. you voted yourself a great big chunk of the 18 odd billion that "nz" "owes"

why job? snowboarding is more fun.

and still with a thorough lack of explanation as to the remedy here... what, with "owing" more than exists, and the whatnot.

I blame his parents.

Akzle

14th July 2017, 10:35

I blame his parents.

his parents probably blamed hitler, or communism or something.

Ocean1

14th July 2017, 16:13

Akzle

14th July 2017, 16:52

'Fraid not chump.

But you're obviously happier little dole bludger for believing that, so you go right ahead.

thanks for that concise explanation. that cleared it all up:
your a fucking moron.

bogan

14th July 2017, 17:50

Of course the lazy are making a contribution. They're passing money on to businesses that otherwise wouldn't receive that money. Ya know, just like them other hundreds of thousands of people who aren't lazy and work exceptionally hard but are still a net tax burden. They are a tax burden, which does not mean that there is no contribution in any terms other than financial.

The straw man was your creation of an argument that states that nothing is put back into the economy which it most definitely is irrespective of whether it's a positive contribution or a negative one. The contribution exists.

Out of interest, what term would you use for the bit where they lazy take money through benefits?

To remove ambiguity around the word 'contribution' I would instead say the lazy are creating demand, but not adding any production. Similarly to throwing 10% of production into a fire, the demand increases, but does anything else?

Net tax burden has little to do with contributions in the way you are using the term. People who are a net tax burden, can still create production, so can give back all they are given, and some that they have created.

That was never my argument. I clearly said 'net' income/contributions/production, and also discussed there being no net return on the work input.

Ocean1

14th July 2017, 18:01

thanks for that concise explanation. that cleared it all up:
your a fucking moron.

Thanks dude, I pitched it at exactly the level you're most likely to understand.

Still all a bit over your head though eh?

Seriously though, stop pretending you have anything vaguely intelligent to contribute, stick with parroting fuckwit conspiracy theory blogosphere, there's a good chap.

Akzle

14th July 2017, 18:55

Thanks dude, I pitched it at exactly the level you're most likely to understand.

Still all a bit over your head though eh?

Seriously though, stop pretending you have anything vaguely intelligent to contribute, stick with parroting fuckwit conspiracy theory blogosphere, there's a good chap.

oh no need for more words YAFM, you've done all you possibly can, i'm sure.

mashman

14th July 2017, 21:48

Out of interest, what term would you use for the bit where they lazy take money through benefits?

To remove ambiguity around the word 'contribution' I would instead say the lazy are creating demand, but not adding any production. Similarly to throwing 10% of production into a fire, the demand increases, but does anything else?

Net tax burden has little to do with contributions in the way you are using the term. People who are a net tax burden, can still create production, so can give back all they are given, and some that they have created.

That was never my argument. I clearly said 'net' income/contributions/production, and also discussed there being no net return on the work input.

Wealth redistribution.

From my perception we're throwing a good 80% of production into a fire already. As such the lazy aren't contributing anwhere near as much to that in comparison to yer average non-lazy person. To consume is to produce in the financial economy. Without your consumption there is no production. So by default the lazy are produsing less, but are still producing. That's just A perception though. One which blames everyone equally, irrespective of how much they produce. But I take your meaning: The lazy don't produce in order to "earn" and therefore offset some form of societally perceived responsibility to produce in order to be allowed to consume that which they consume. Close enough?

A net tax burden is just that. Everything after that is $ amount and perceived output measures in some form of mad attempt to righteously justify anothers consumption. They're still a net tax burden irrespective of their production.

"your post said they contributed by spending the money back into the economy; taking net income into account means they contribute nothing, a direct contradiction of what you wrote.". Make your mind up bogan. How am I supposed to keep up when you haven't got a clue what you're talking about?

TheDemonLord

14th July 2017, 22:00

Wealth redistribution.

And everytime it was tried - it ended up so well didn't it.

Something like 100-150 million people dead?

bogan

14th July 2017, 22:40

Wealth redistribution.

From my perception we're throwing a good 80% of production into a fire already. As such the lazy aren't contributing anwhere near as much to that in comparison to yer average non-lazy person. To consume is to produce in the financial economy. Without your consumption there is no production. So by default the lazy are produsing less, but are still producing. That's just A perception though. One which blames everyone equally, irrespective of how much they produce. But I take your meaning: The lazy don't produce in order to "earn" and therefore offset some form of societally perceived responsibility to produce in order to be allowed to consume that which they consume. Close enough?

A net tax burden is just that. Everything after that is $ amount and perceived output measures in some form of mad attempt to righteously justify anothers consumption. They're still a net tax burden irrespective of their production.

"your post said they contributed by spending the money back into the economy; taking net income into account means they contribute nothing, a direct contradiction of what you wrote.". Make your mind up bogan. How am I supposed to keep up when you haven't got a clue what you're talking about?

Nothing more specific than that? Does the lazy's 'contributions' just mean partial reversal of this wealth redistribution then?

That may be as depends on your perspective, but the lazy offer nothing in return for the things they throw on the fire; they could be replaced with a simple fire, when those others could not. The production / consumption balance could be maintained if they were removed, it could not be if they were all that were left. The lazy are not producing, by default or otherwise. Production is not consumption when looking at it in that narrow a scope.

Which is why tax burden is irrelevant to the point of who is contributing or producing what.

"Taking net income into account" This means we add together what is taken, and what is put back; the result can only ever be a net loss, or 0. For any 'contributions' by your strange definition of the term are cancelled out by the wealth redistribution they have taken, meaning there is clearly no net contribution. Didn't you concede this point only a few posts ago? I have never stated that nothing is put back into the economy, that you claim I have, shows that the only straw man here is your own.

Brian d marge

14th July 2017, 23:04

And everytime it was tried - it ended up so well didn't it.

Something like 100-150 million people dead?
I thought it was only 6 ,

mashman

14th July 2017, 23:51

Nothing more specific than that? Does the lazy's 'contributions' just mean partial reversal of this wealth redistribution then?

That may be as depends on your perspective, but the lazy offer nothing in return for the things they throw on the fire; they could be replaced with a simple fire, when those others could not. The production / consumption balance could be maintained if they were removed, it could not be if they were all that were left. The lazy are not producing, by default or otherwise. Production is not consumption when looking at it in that narrow a scope.

Which is why tax burden is irrelevant to the point of who is contributing or producing what.

"Taking net income into account" This means we add together what is taken, and what is put back; the result can only ever be a net loss, or 0. For any 'contributions' by your strange definition of the term are cancelled out by the wealth redistribution they have taken, meaning there is clearly no net contribution. Didn't you concede this point only a few posts ago? I have never stated that nothing is put back into the economy, that you claim I have, shows that the only straw man here is your own.

Nope. Not a clue what you're talking about regarding reversal.

You cannot produce without consuming.

Ok.

Yes, from a financial perspective it's a zero sum game (nothing is ever lost). Although they could win on the horses or sommink lol. But, there is still the contribution (wealth redistribution) given to business to be taken into account. That is a positive contribution by the lazy, else 0 would be passed on.

mashman

14th July 2017, 23:55

I thought it was only 6 ,

You missed the zero's lol.

bogan

15th July 2017, 10:58

Nope. Not a clue what you're talking about regarding reversal.

You cannot produce without consuming.

Ok.

Yes, from a financial perspective it's a zero sum game (nothing is ever lost). Although they could win on the horses or sommink lol. But, there is still the contribution (wealth redistribution) given to business to be taken into account. That is a positive contribution by the lazy, else 0 would be passed on.

But you can be a consumer, and not a producer. That is the scope we are discussing when talking about the lazy. Were they removed, there would be no loss of production, in fact those that are left could reduce their production and become more efficient.

It is not a net contribution though; and it is giving things back, so the ROI on the 'wealth redistributed' to the lazy is always a loss.

mashman

15th July 2017, 18:31

But you can be a consumer, and not a producer. That is the scope we are discussing when talking about the lazy. Were they removed, there would be no loss of production, in fact those that are left could reduce their production and become more efficient.

It is not a net contribution though; and it is giving things back, so the ROI on the 'wealth redistributed' to the lazy is always a loss.

You can indeed. That may well be your scope, but it isn't the whole story by any means. As mentioned, remove the 8 people who have half the worlds wealth and you could easily keep those several billion people and use their collective effort to do far more than that 8 people. There's also the question of cutting a life short that may well have gone on to be exceptionally productive. But no, you'd rather cull the lazy, coz at the moment and under the current circumstances, they're lazy.

There is no ROI. The money is given freely. There is no loss. As mentioned, without the lazy passing that money on, the businesses that they support won't be as profitable. I thought you understood what comprised the velocity of money.

bogan

15th July 2017, 18:51

You can indeed. That may well be your scope, but it isn't the whole story by any means. As mentioned, remove the 8 people who have half the worlds wealth and you could easily keep those several billion people and use their collective effort to do far more than that 8 people. There's also the question of cutting a life short that may well have gone on to be exceptionally productive. But no, you'd rather cull the lazy, coz at the moment and under the current circumstances, they're lazy.

There is no ROI. The money is given freely. There is no loss. As mentioned, without the lazy passing that money on, the businesses that they support won't be as profitable. I thought you understood what comprised the velocity of money.

Which is the point I am making, the lazy consume, but produce nothing. Of course it is not the whole, but the story it tells is that they are the members most suited for removal as they do not produce (same as daddy trust fund/inheritance lazy rich fucks). And by this I'm not talking about culling them, not all problems should be solved by such extremism mashy.
I think you need to focus less on the money, and more on the resource and production contributions of people. Just because the lazy keep money velocity up, does not mean they provide any meaningful service.

ROI is not affected by whether the money is given freely or not; money is given (wealth redistributed) to the lazy, and money is returned when they spend it, they do not return more than they are given, therefor the ROI is always a loss, it is simple maths.

mashman

15th July 2017, 19:30

Which is the point I am making, the lazy consume, but produce nothing. Of course it is not the whole, but the story it tells is that they are the members most suited for removal as they do not produce (same as daddy trust fund/inheritance lazy rich fucks). And by this I'm not talking about culling them, not all problems should be solved by such extremism mashy.
I think you need to focus less on the money, and more on the resource and production contributions of people. Just because the lazy keep money velocity up, does not mean they provide any meaningful service.

ROI is not affected by whether the money is given freely or not; money is given (wealth redistributed) to the lazy, and money is returned when they spend it, they do not return more than they are given, therefor the ROI is always a loss, it is simple maths.

So what's your definition of removal if not cull? You said "Perhaps just burn the bennies instead". Maybe I got you wrong and you actually meant burn them. Perhaps I should have started pointing the extremist finger. :yawn:

I think I should focus on that which I choose i.e. removing money so that the lack of activity of the lazy doesn't impact on our services and day to day life. Such an approach also takes production contributions into account. Money can't accomplish that, in fact it exacerbates it without question. So I reckon my focus is spot on ta muchly. Contributing to the velocity of money isn't a meaningful service? If you say so.

There is no ROI, as in it is not a real thing as the money is not invested, it is a contribution given knowingly without return. So there is no loss. It's like saying that fractional reserve banking, in theory, is a zero sum game and that the associated debt can always be repaid. It ignores any shred of real world application.

Akzle

15th July 2017, 19:41

. It's like saying that fractional reserve banking, in theory, is a zero sum game and that the associated debt can always be repaid. It ignores any shred of real world application.

which brings us roundly back to the point of the thing.
now bog, since yafm can't explain this shit, maybe you could have a bash.. the whole "world owes three times more than there is" thing... hm?

TheDemonLord

15th July 2017, 19:46

I think I should focus on that which I choose i.e. removing money so that the lack of activity of the lazy doesn't impact on our services and day to day life.

Lol.

The only way that the Lazy won't impact Services and day-to-day life is if they are excluded from them (Al a Ocean1). Services take time, skills and resources (even if you remove the Monetary restraint, which as I've pointed out previously is merely a medium of exchange).

If you do not contribute anything in the way time, skills or resources then you are a Net drain. Period.

Such an approach also takes production contributions into account. Money can't accomplish that, in fact it exacerbates it without question. So I reckon my focus is spot on ta muchly.

Actually, it's the other way around, Money is an attempt to solve the problem - by giving us a commonly accepted and understood unit of value that is easily divisible.

How many Sheep is a Cow worth? That's a nearly impossible question to answer, however if everyone agrees that a Cow is worth $500 and a Sheep is worth $300 - then it makes comparing dissimilar items easier.

There is no ROI, as in it is not a real thing as the money is not invested, it is a contribution given knowingly without return. So there is no loss.

it is a contribution given knowingly without return. So there is no loss.

Given, without return.

Sounds almost like the definition of a Loss to me....

It's like saying that fractional reserve banking, in theory, is a zero sum game and that the associated debt can always be repaid. It ignores any shred of real world application.

Well, the Debt can always be repaid - the bit that you are oh so carefully ignoring is that it is Human Nature to want more and so people are always borrowing.

But you know - Details and all that....

TheDemonLord

15th July 2017, 19:50

which brings us roundly back to the point of the thing.
now bog, since yafm can't explain this shit, maybe you could have a bash.. the whole "world owes three times more than there is" thing... hm?

Easy:

There is untapped, un-calculated Resource (Human, Mineral and Time) that is ignored in that equation. Also on that note - if you own a Billion Dollar beach front property and there is a Tsunami and it is raised to the ground - is the "There is" lost?

You and I both know that in a closed system, it's not lost, it's just been transformed from elegant and desirable structures down to it's base minerals, that will be deposited, ready to be re-used again.

But in the Financial equation, that is a Billion dollars worth of debt with no 'There is' attached to it anymore.

bogan

15th July 2017, 20:22

So what's your definition of removal if not cull? You said "Perhaps just burn the bennies instead". Maybe I got you wrong and you actually meant burn them. Perhaps I should have started pointing the extremist finger. :yawn:

I think I should focus on that which I choose i.e. removing money so that the lack of activity of the lazy doesn't impact on our services and day to day life. Such an approach also takes production contributions into account. Money can't accomplish that, in fact it exacerbates it without question. So I reckon my focus is spot on ta muchly. Contributing to the velocity of money isn't a meaningful service? If you say so.

There is no ROI, as in it is not a real thing as the money is not invested, it is a contribution given knowingly without return. So there is no loss. It's like saying that fractional reserve banking, in theory, is a zero sum game and that the associated debt can always be repaid. It ignores any shred of real world application.

I've not bothered going into detail, it is irrelevant as we are discussing their current state, rest assured though, they would not be culled.

Yet to accomplish that, you would need to focus on increasing understanding, starting with your own...

I disagree, in the same way the country can invest in healthcare, roading, etc, it invests in the lazy. Whether you agree with the term used, the fact remains that the money given to the poor, is never fully returned by your definition of their consumerism being a contribution, so there is always a loss.