Trump - 4 more years of this at least...

[husaberg]

It wouldn't surprise me if his team faked an attempt to gain him popularity, "with look the deep state radical left is trying to stop him" as they are scared of him LOL

[pritch]

Trump "hush money" verdict: Guilty on all counts.

[sugilite]

Trump "hush money" verdict: Guilty on all counts.

Excellent result.
Fox readers heads will explode, as they have shamefully been grossly misreporting this trial all the way through. If you were a fox reader, trump had a good day in court everyday. The opinion pieces on fox were especially shameful, not a shred of reality in them at all!

What a shame Demonlord bailed before the fun really started!

[pritch]

The MAGA crew are shouting that these guilty verdicts will win the election for Trump. There is one vote he won't get. As a convicted felon in Florida Trump can not vote.

I'll drink to that. :drinkup:

[pete376403]

The MAGA crew are shouting that these guilty verdicts will win the election for Trump. There is one vote he won't get. As a convicted felon in Florida Trump can not vote. :drinkup:
But can run for the presidency - how screwed up is american politics?

[Grumph]

But can run for the presidency - how screwed up is american politics?

Reportedly, there's another WTF coming. The Supreme Court is considering Presidential Immunity atm.
There's talk they're taking the Presidential Pardon system as a model for what the founders wanted.
IE The divine right of Kings...

To do whatever they wish with no guardrails.

It'll be interesting to see what comes out of this.

[pritch]

Reportedly, there's another WTF coming. The Supreme Court is considering Presidential Immunity atm.
There's talk they're taking the Presidential Pardon system as a model for what the founders wanted.
IE The divine right of Kings...

To do whatever they wish with no guardrails.

It'll be interesting to see what comes out of this.

It's a very odd Supreme Court they have at the moment. Expensive gifts to Justices who were hearing cases involving the gift giver. Among other gifts Justice Thomas was reportedly loaned a private jet to fly to NZ with his wife for a holiday. He has turned the Court into a nice little earner.

The president has wide powers to pardon. Although it would be a first and certainly controversial, if elected again Trump could potentially pardon himself. He could make all those pesky Justice Dept investigations just go away. Perhaps not the E Jean Carol civil cases though, and there may be another of those to come because he was slagging her off again during this trial.

Trump could not pardon himself for today's 34 felony convictions. They are state convictions not federal. If a Republican was to be elected governor of New York State though, he or she could pardon Trump for these.

[pete376403]

If the presidential pardon thing goes through, woudn;t it be possible for Biden to dispatch Seal Team 6 or someone to take care of things? It;s been done before - 'Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?" (King Henry II) Used in modern-day contexts to express that a ruler's wish may be interpreted as a command by his or her subordinates.

[pritch]

Trump says he will appeal - of course. He will likely be unaware of who the judges on the Manhattan appeals court are. He is going to be unhappy when he finds out.

Hereunder the Manhattan Appeals Court judges.

[R650R]

If the presidential pardon thing goes through, woudn;t it be possible for Biden to dispatch Seal Team 6 or someone to take care of things? It;s been done before - 'Will no one rid me of this troublesome priest?" (King Henry II) Used in modern-day contexts to express that a ruler's wish may be interpreted as a command by his or her subordinates.

Cheers the funniest thing I’ve read in awhile. Speaking of Biden he’s just approved the use of American supplied weapons by Ukraine inside Russian territory. I think very soon we will have much more to worry about than Trump.
As Pritch says we have the appeals process to drag out… so another season of free entertainment

[husaberg]

In any case it’s likely trumps lawyer prob handled all this, they will need to prove trump ordered directly and hush money etc
People at this level know how the system works and are smart enough to insulate the man at top.

It’s a bit like say an overloaded speeding truck running someone over. It’s easy for cops to nail the driver and maybe the despatcher but hard to assign liability/fines to manager/owner.



Tell us more about how you always predict stuff...
Yet another public fail for you....

[F5 Dave]

Hey there, where ya goin'?
Not exactly knowin'
Who says you have to call just one place home?
He's goin' everywhere
B.J. McKay and his best friend Bear
He just keeps on movin'
Ladies keep improvin'
Every day is better than the last
New dreams and better scenes
And best of all I don't pay property tax
Rollin' down to Dallas
Who's providin' my palace
Off to New Orleans or who knows where

[Laava]

https://youtu.be/epvLrK6Mhd4Hahahahaha! 10 chars
https://youtu.be/epvLrK6Mhd4

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[F5 Dave]

Oh I'll have to play that to the wife. FAFuck

[nerrrd]

I'm not sure it'll help much more than me crossing my fingers and saying "please don't win the election, please don't win the election...", but if it does, hooray!

He continues to be one of the least appealing human beings on the planet, but I guess a lot of people maybe see themselves in him? Hard to understand from so far away, but a shaky international environment with an isolationist, dogma-driven America on top of that is not something I want to experience, even way down here.

[F5 Dave]

I did it too, just in case.
Trouble is, it only takes enough Americans as dumb, as say, our resident trumpie, and whilst that is a scarey thing, might not be a far reach as it happened before.

Then all you need is enough apathetic voters not keen to vote for that doddery old fool running against him. Well, I'd struggle to get to a poll booth for that guy. Except for the consequences.

[pritch]

It's pleasing that despite the predictions of Trump and sundry RWNJ commentators on FOX etc, the markets didn't crash. In fact the Dow rose 575 points, the biggest one day rise this year so far.

[pritch]

Columbo...

[Grumph]

There are some very good memes coming out.

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oUj2UzJ4uA8

[Laava]

Some good memes indeed…

[pritch]

Sheer genius.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vHbHViKgzg

[F5 Dave]

Ooh that's quite a list.

[Stylo]

Ooh that's quite a list.

On the basis of todays debate. Trump was the winner. Biden wasn't well and failed to spark.

Not good for the Democrats.

A good reminder though of how ignorant the orange guy is. He continued to back up his lies and confirmed to everyone.

How stupid he is. Except those who subscribe to Fox I guess. Give me a break.

Why does Trump keep lying ?

[Kickaha]

Why does Trump keep lying ?


Because no one pulls him up on it

[Berries]

Biden wasn't well and failed to spark.
Neither does my great great Grandma.



He should be in a care home like what she is.

[pritch]

That was bad. Very bad. Some people had suggested fact checkers were needed but the shear volume of Trump's lies would have overwhelmed them. We all knew Biden was past his best but we had no idea just how far past his best he was. The Democrats have a serious problem but they've given no hint they have a solution.

[pete376403]

That was bad. Very bad. Some people had suggested fact checkers were needed but the shear volume of Trump's lies would have overwhelmed them. We all knew Biden was past his best but we had no idea just how far past his best he was. The Democrats have a serious problem but they've given no hint they have a solution.

CNN’s fact check said “more than 30,” including:

Babies executed after birth
Every legal scholar wanted Roe v Wade overturned
No terror attacks during his presidency
Iran didn’t fund terror groups under his presidency
US provided more aid to Ukraine than Europe
Biden referred to blacks as “super predators.”
Biden planning to quadruple taxes
Pelosi turned down 10,000 National Guard troops
Americans don’t pay the cost of tariffs
Europe accepts no American cars
He is the president who got Veterans Choice through Congress
Under Biden US had its biggest deficit with China (actually it was Trump)
Under Biden US had biggest budget deficit (actually it was Trump)
He claims Biden made up the “suckers and losers” statement.
He deployed the National Guard in Minneapolis. It was Democratic Gov. Tim Waltz.
He said the only jobs created under Biden were for illegal immigrants and “bounce back jobs.”
The Paris Climate Accords would have cost the US $1 trillion and no other country was spending anything.
Trump said Biden coerced Ukraine to get rid of a corrupt prosecutor, conditioning $1 billion.
Tariffs don’t raise prices, when in fact consumers shoulder nearly all the cost of tariffs.
Trump claimed that “He indicted me” in the New York trials.
He claimed China didn’t import oil from Iran when he was president.
He claimed that undocumented immigrants get Social Security and Medicare. If they are employed, they pay into the system, but they are not entitled to benefits.
The 2020 election was fraudulent
He denied saying there were good people no both sides in Charlottesville white nationalist march. There was no evidence of any good people there.
He gave the biggest tax cut ever
Misrepresented his January 6 comments.
Claimed the Supreme Court had approved the abortion pill
Remarks on migrants and crime
Totally lied about NATO funding
The cost of food had “doubled and tripled and quadrupled.”
Took too much credit for lowering the cost of insulin



MAGAs going to vote trump no matter what. Most sane people going to vote democrat. The debates dont, in the big scheme, really make much difference

[Berries]

His cult followers certainly believe it.
I think spell check let you down there.

[nerrrd]

MAGAs going to vote trump no matter what. Most sane people going to vote democrat. The debates dont, in the big scheme, really make much difference

Problem there is it only takes a few thousand or ten undecideds in a few states to send the result either way.

And the visuals of Biden being an old duffer are now firmly part of the record (despite a whole lot of denials of that fact by his campaign and others leading up to this point), and will be replayed at every opportunity until November.

So now it’s a choice between a corrupt leader or an incompetent one. I don’t think Democracy will be the winner on the day.

[F5 Dave]

Why the hell couldn't they have put up Bruce Springsteen back in 2016? He would have destroyed Trump. And he would have been smart enough to know he knows nothing about politics and take the lead from his advisors. You'd have never heard from Trump again the arse whupping would have been so comprehensive.

Sadly Bruce has his own medical issues so the time is gone.

Wonder if James Hetfield is a democrat? Can they tag team him in?

[Laava]

Why the hell couldn't they have put up Bruce Springsteen back in 2016? He would have destroyed Trump. And he would have been smart enough to know he knows nothing about politics and take the lead from his advisors. You'd have never heard from Trump again the arse whupping would have been so comprehensive.

Sadly Bruce has his own medical issues so the time is gone.

Wonder if James Hetfield is a democrat? Can they tag team him in?
Eddie Vedder? Yeah, maybe not, he is too nice a guy to deserve being crushed by american demockracy

[F5 Dave]

He apparently was doing a wellington concert (might have to fact check location) but the gist was locals were grumbly about concerts, actually athletic park venue is gone now, but supposedly he got a bottle of wine delivered to the close houses before.

Dave Grohl is out for same nice guy image .


Marilyn Manson for the Surreal effect.?

[F5 Dave]

Short rant about whinging home owners. Oh I don't like the rugby games or concerts upsetting my weekend.
Yeah man. That's why the property was cheap. Not like it sneaked up on you. Was opened in 1896!

[Laava]

We could have Alice Cooper in charge of abortion control!

[Berries]

No more Mr Nice Guy.

[pete376403]

Short rant about whinging home owners. Oh I don't like the rugby games or concerts upsetting my weekend.
Yeah man. That's why the property was cheap. Not like it sneaked up on you. Was opened in 1896!

People buy cheap (ish) land next to airports and then complain about the noise. Or motor racing circuits like Baypark

[Laava]

They are soon to commence a new airport up here at Ruatangata. Not sure if it will be international yet but all the land needed has been purchased and we will await the fallout from unhappy residents. Us included, as my mate pointed out, we will be right under the flightpath

[1/32 man]

Is drumph winning as the latest from the SCOTUS seems to suggest?

As I say to the Mrs, we are witnessing history, the decline of the American empire.

[pritch]

Short rant about whinging home owners. Oh I don't like the rugby games or concerts upsetting my weekend.
Yeah man. That's why the property was cheap. Not like it sneaked up on you. Was opened in 1896!

Yeah Western Spring is another example. There can not be anyone living there who bought their house before the speedway came. Yet there is still whinging and moaning and noise estrictions.

[pritch]

Is drumph winning as the latest from the SCOTUS seems to suggest?

As I say to the Mrs, we are witnessing history, the decline of the American empire.

That decision is absolutely astounding. Biden can have the Supreme Court justices arrested or even assassinated and that's fine according to them. Biden won't do something like that - but Trump might.

When he was president Trump wanted to use the army to shoot civilians. The professionals dissuaded him. Next time they won't be there. ('Project 2025' outlines replacing professionals in all govt departments with Trump loyalists.)

[Grumph]

Yep, the US is fucked.
If Biden does get back in, the first priority should be increasing the number of justices on the Supreme Court.
Pack it with liberals. Young liberals. It's a life appointment.

[pete376403]

That decision is absolutely astounding. Biden can have the Supreme Court justices arrested or even assassinated and that's fine according to them. Biden won't do something like that - but Trump might.

When he was president Trump wanted to use the army to shoot civilians. The professionals dissuaded him. Next time they won't be there. ('Project 2025' outlines replacing professionals in all govt departments with Trump loyalists.)
Biden shouldn't waste time with the SC "justices". just send the appropriate people straight for trump. Get rid of that garbage, then do the sc cleanup.

[nerrrd]

Ooh they must be so tempted now to do something 'official' about Trump before January...

[F5 Dave]

So here we are in an isolated motorcycle forum in an isolated part of the world, shaking our heads in disbelief, wondering how this slow train crash could be lining up for another crash.

No no. Don't put sleepy Joe at the driver controls. No. No. Don't let the convicts on the train. No. No. Etc.

[pete376403]

10 characters

[R650R]

That was bad. Very bad. Some people had suggested fact checkers were needed but the shear volume of Trump's lies would have overwhelmed them. We all knew Biden was past his best but we had no idea just how far past his best he was. The Democrats have a serious problem but they've given no hint they have a solution.

It’s been very clear for a long time but our corrupt mainstream media has been covering it up trying to paper over the cracks. I stopped posting any items in the Biden thread about 6 months ago as it was very clear then that dementia or similar was evident and taking its toll and it no longer seemed right to say anything g bad about the bloke.
But we are for all intents and purposes engaged in a pseudo war with the other biggest military superpower in the world so we can’t have the media telling too much truth in time of war.

[F5 Dave]

I'll just throw in a little observation 666.

We live in New Zealand. Not the USA. We are not a super power.

Get a map (not a globe as you will dispute the shape) and it will become clear that they are actually different countries which may be where your confusion is coming from.

[R650R]

I'll just throw in a little observation 666.

We live in New Zealand. Not the USA. We are not a super power.

Get a map (not a globe as you will dispute the shape) and it will become clear that they are actually different countries which may be where your confusion is coming from.

Your are indeed quite correct there. Although by we I mean the collective west who are bound to do America’s bidding via various defence and trade agreements/tresties no matter who is in charge.
I shall endeavour to not be so loose with my words as the drive belt tension on Trumps CVO Roadglide.

[sugilite]

I see the drums are beating for Harris to replace Biden.
Biden has to go, he is so far gone it is not even amusing anymore.
I have no idea what the Dems actually stand for, but putting in a desperately unpopular VP for a clearly cognitively challenged incumbent shows they don't give a shit about preserving democracy, as corrupt as the US version actually is.

[nerrrd]

I see the drums are beating for Harris to replace Biden.
Biden has to go, he is so far gone it is not even amusing anymore.
I have no idea what the Dems actually stand for, but putting in a desperately unpopular VP for a clearly cognitively challenged incumbent shows they don't give a shit about preserving democracy, as corrupt as the US version actually is.

Apparently if Biden goes all the money he's raised goes as well unless Harris is the new nominee - it's more of a money-tocracy than anything else.

[pritch]

I see the drums are beating for Harris to replace Biden.
.

Biden is probably enclosed in a bubble of yes men telling him to stay. The senior Democrats can burst the bubble. I see Schiff has publicly boosted Harris.

They do need to get their ducks in a row quickly though. Next in succession to the presidency is that massively repressed gay, bible thumping freak, Mike Johnson, Republican Speaker of the House. If Biden stepped down Johnson would be just one heart beat away from the presidency until the new VP pick was announced.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/schiff-says-kamala-would-be-phenomenal-president-as-he-hits-out-at-concerning-biden-interview-answer/ar-BB1pyNBT

[F5 Dave]

Ohh ohh. I know. It worked for the Bush family. Can his son be fast tracked into the role?

What?:confused:

[Kickaha]

I see Schiff has publicly boosted Harris.

Harris would be a guaranteed loss

[F5 Dave]

Ohh ohh. I know. It worked for the Bush family. Can his son be fast tracked into the role?

What?:confused:
Although I believe he had the faked moon landing on his laptop. .

[pete376403]

Harris would be a guaranteed loss

Yes, It was unbelieveable enough when Obama wa elected but a black woman?I think Bidens (and the worlds) best hope is that trump is assassinated. Shouldnt be that hard to arrange.

[Grumph]

Harris would be a guaranteed loss

According to the polls there's a lot of support for Michelle Obama. So a black woman isn't automatically a bad choice.

However, Harris' husband has just tested positive for Covid. And he's been in Biden's company over the 4 July weekend.
One way of getting a step up.

[1/32 man]

(and the worlds) best hope is that trump is assassinated

I have been waiting for that to happen.

I would pull the trigger if given the chance and I am a Buddhist.

[jim.cox]

He is Putin's pet - so it wont be a Russian hit - at least not before he's out lived his usefulness

[Laava]

I have been waiting for that to happen.

I would pull the trigger if given the chance and I am a Buddhist.
Difficult situation. It would have to be a vital organ shot and the heart and brain would be out. Way too small a target. You would have to line up the ego.

[F5 Dave]

Cmon guys shouldn't really joke about it. Would only radicalise the drongos element. Don't want it all to become like India with appearances behind bulletproof shields.

[jim.cox]

Cmon guys shouldn't really joke about it.

Who said we were joking?

[R650R]

This all sounds like a very refreshing approach to running a free democratic society. Trouble is where do you stop once you’ve crossed that line… And if it’s ok for one side then…
Even Putin hasn’t been assasinated and not because it might be difficult. It’s because there’s serious consequences for that type of move.
The last hit job was Qaddafi because he stepped outside of the system and knew too much to be left able to speak.

[Kickaha]

Didn't the Supreme court just give the go ahead though with Presidential immunity, Biden should just have him killed and really kick things off

[Laava]

Didn't the Supreme court just give the go ahead though with Presidential immunity, Biden should just have him killed and really kick things off
Lols, he would probably fuck it all up and target himself!

[jim.cox]

Lols, he would probably fuck it all up and target himself!

Sad, but True!

[pritch]

A couple of words in this thread will probably have set off alerts at Waihopai. Either that or the paranoia is kicking in. :whistle:

[pete376403]

Copied from Quora but seems rational: Why can’t the Democrats replace Biden as their presidential candidate?
There is a technical and a practical answer to this question.

On the technical side, Joe Biden has already amassed sufficient delegates - and then some - to be the Democratic nominee for president this year. This is because states have now held their primary elections for president, and Biden was the overwhelming choice for Democratic voters. People can quibble that the primaries were effectively uncontested, turnout is generally low when the incumbent being re-nominated is considered to be a sure thing, and most Democrat-leaning voters didn’t apprehend Biden’s condition until his recent disastrous debate performance. But ultimately, none of that matters, because Biden has already won the delegates and there is no “do over” clause in primaries. While delegates theoretically have some discretion to vote for someone else, broadly speaking, they are bound to Biden. This means that Biden himself is really the only person who can realistically end his campaign, and the Democratic Party doesn’t have the right to force him to do so just because they’re having second thoughts.

Then, there’s the practical aspect: if Democrats thought they had an obvious choice to replace Biden on the ticket, they would be making things intolerable for him right now in the hope that he voluntarily stepped down. But such a candidate doesn’t exist, and while it’s possible to come up with scenarios whereby a lower-ranked Dem steps up, proves their presidential mettle, and blows away Trump in November, it’s equally possible to imagine all of Biden’s hypothetical successors bombing in the national spotlight and/or proving unable to appeal to the middle-of-the-road voters a candidate needs to capture the White House. Lots of governors and senators imagine that campaigning for president is just a higher weight class than what they’ve competed in previously, but the truth is that there’s nothing like it, and plenty of candidates who are great on paper (and Democrats don’t even have one of those right now) falter. I personally thought that Kamala Harris was the likeliest candidate to emerge from the Democratic primaries in 2020 based on her resume and the boxes she checked for voters, but we all know how things went in reality, and she’s continued to underwhelm as VP. The fact that she’s probably Democrats’ best option to replace Biden on short notice also explains why Biden is being gently nudged as opposed to forcefully pushed to drop his campaign.

[neels]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GD-QsLtboAAGnOe?format=jpg&name=small

[F5 Dave]

That's how fuk'd merca is. He wasn't fit in 2020. They had 3ish years to do something about it. It's not like there are only 200 people on an island.

[pritch]

Victor Orban recently visited Putin. Orban has reportedly visited Trump at Mar A Lagp. Depending what they discussed that is potentially illegal. US citizens are not permitted to discuss policy with foreigners unless unauthorised to do so. Of course they may not be discussing anything, Orban may just be passing on messages from Putin.

[F5 Dave]

Victor Orban recently visited Putin. Orban has reportedly visited Trump at Mar A Lagp. Depending what they discussed that is potentially illegal. US citizens are not permitted to discuss policy with foreigners unless unauthorised to do so. Of course they may not be discussing anything, Orban may just be passing ​directions on from Putin.
Fixed it for you

[neels]

Someone's had a go....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLybWj-ojck

[jim.cox]

Do you believe it?

Could be fake news.

Would not be difficult - some cosmetics and a pre-recorded soundtrack.

All to engender support for the Orangutang...



Roll up, Roll up, Get your conspiracy theories here!

[neels]

Do you believe it?

Could be fake news.

Would not be difficult - some cosmetics and a pre-recorded soundtrack.

All to engender support for the Orangutang...



Roll up, Roll up, Get your conspiracy theories here!
Well yes, entirely possible.

Likely even?

[nerrrd]

Definitely, looks like they almost succeeded too.

The situation in the US just keeps getting sadder.

[pritch]

CNN were more careful with their language than NZ sources initially but it seems there was a shooter - now deceased. As is one other.

The blood on Trump's head appears to be from the top of his ear. The injury was likely caused when the Secret Service flung him to the floor. My initial thought was that the whole thing was performative because Trump was doing arm raised thumbs up immediately after. That is at odds Wirth his lifelong record of devout cowardice.

[pete376403]

Trump says a bullet ripped through his ear and he heard a whizzing sound as he was shot at a campaign rally in Pennsylvania. “It is incredible that such an act can take place in our Country,” he wrote.

Obviously has never been to school, then

[Kb2020dope]

CNN were more careful with their language than NZ sources initially but it seems there was a shooter - now deceased. As is one other.

The blood on Trump's head appears to be from the top of his ear. The injury was likely caused when the Secret Service flung him to the floor. My initial thought was that the whole thing was performative because Trump was doing arm raised thumbs up immediately after. That is at odds Wirth his lifelong record of devout cowardice.


Glad to hear the shooter has been dealt with. It's a shame he had an easy escape. May the pain of this loss stay with his or her family for years to come.

This was a real attack. This was an attack on democracy. Just another cowardly lefty. Trump stood up after this attack, took it like a leader, like a red blooded male and said bring it on.

Trump is alive and well. Bring on the election!

[Kb2020dope]

Do you believe it?

Could be fake news.

Would not be difficult - some cosmetics and a pre-recorded soundtrack.

All to engender support for the Orangutang..



Roll up, Roll up, Get your conspiracy theories here!



Get out of your rabbit hole sunshine

[Kb2020dope]

Definitely, looks like they almost succeeded too.

The situation in the US just keeps getting sadder.

It is incredibly sad. I hope this doesn't result in retaliation.

[Stylo]

Glad to hear the shooter has been dealt with. It's a shame he had an easy escape. May the pain of this loss stay with his or her family for years to come.

This was a real attack. This was an attack on democracy. Just another cowardly lefty. Trump stood up after this attack, took it like a leader, like a red blooded male and said bring it on.

Trump is alive and well. Bring on the election!

Just spoke with my partner who is in the USA, for an Industry forum. The local people she's attending it with were most disappointed that the guy missed his target.

[Kb2020dope]

Just spoke with my partner who is in the USA, for an Industry forum. The local people she's attending it with were most disappointed that the guy missed his target.

Hey mate, I'm really sorry to hear your partner is hanging out in those circles. It is a real shame he or she has gone down this path. Maybe he or she should take his or her business to Zimbabwe. I love democracy. Trump will be voted back in by the American people.

*I'm sorry I don't know what your partner is. I do not wish to offend you. Please let me know their pronouns before we continue this discussion*

Cheers

[Stylo]

Hey mate, I'm really sorry to hear your partner is hanging out in those circles. It is a real shame he or she has gone down this path. Maybe he or she should take his or her business to Zimbabwe. I love democracy. Trump will be voted back in by the American people.

*I'm sorry I don't know what your partner is. I do not wish to offend you. Please let me know their pronouns before we continue this discussion*

Cheers

My partner has a masters degree in mathematics , currently Principal of a High school. She's not hanging out in any 'Circles' . She was invited there.

What do you do my friend?

[Kb2020dope]

My partner has a masters degree in mathematics , currently Principal of a High school. She's not hanging out in any 'Circles' . She was invited there.

What do you do my friend?

Good on her, I have full respect for Wahine out there doing well. I am not insulting her intelligence and she is clearly an asset in her field. However, the education sector does seem to be left leaning. I believe anyone celebrating today's event should be seen as extremely dense.

I run a company up in Tāmaki Makaurau (Auckland)
Why is this relevant bud?

[Laava]

Yeah it is a shame that it has ended up like this. Trump deffo needs to be given the arse, but democratically(sic). Biden apparently rang to pass on his regards, cant imagine the orange buffoon doing the same if the situation had been reversed.
Fuck Trump, btw.

[Kb2020dope]

Yeah it is a shame that it has ended up like this. Trump deffo needs to be given the arse, but democratically(sic). Biden apparently rang to pass on his regards, cant imagine the orange buffoon doing the same if the situation had been reversed.
Fuck Trump, btw.

Hey mate,

Big respect, you clearly don't like the guy and you don't have to. The main thing here is that one person out of the population of 341,874,164 has decided he doesn't want him as their president and has taken extreme action. I do support Trump... to an extent. However if Biden wins then I'm happy that the American majority have it their way. Democracy is a beautiful thing.

[Grumph]

Good on her, I have full respect for Wahine out there doing well. I am not insulting her intelligence and she is clearly an asset in her field. However, the education sector does seem to be left leaning. I believe anyone celebrating today's event should be seen as extremely dense.

I run a company up in Tāmaki Makaurau (Auckland)
Why is this relevant bud?

It's relevant beacause you sprang out of nowhere expressing an opinion which would have to be at odds with most on here - and I'd venture to say in NZ.

But hey, Auckland right ? You can probably be excused some of your attitude by that alone.

[jellywrestler]

CNN were more careful with their language than NZ sources initially but it seems there was a shooter - now deceased. As is one other.

The blood on Trump's head appears to be from the top of his ear. The injury was likely caused when the Secret Service flung him to the floor. My initial thought was that the whole thing was performative because Trump was doing arm raised thumbs up immediately after. That is at odds Wirth his lifelong record of devout cowardice.

he did grab the side of his head about the second shot so one would suggest that he was hit.

[Kb2020dope]

It's relevant beacause you sprang out of nowhere expressing an opinion which would have to be at odds with most on here - and I'd venture to say in NZ.

But hey, Auckland right ? You can probably be excused some of your attitude by that alone.



Hi bud,

After the event that happened today I thought I would check in on the thread to see the reactions to the news.

For future reference what is the proper kiwi biker way to 'spring in' and make a comment on a thread I haven't commented on before?

We all have the right to our own options. If you don't believe in this you could shoot me in the ear or something I guess.

Yes, I'm from Auckland, yes we have the harbour bridge, yes we have the sky tower, yes we have the best rugby team and yes we love a nice coffee. We also contribute 38% to the New Zealand GDP. You are welcome.

There are two types of New Zealanders. The ones that live in the Auckland region and the ones that wish they did.

Great to see tall poppy syndrome is still strong in the regions champ.

[Dean]

Trump supporter here (Māori) and I am totally sickened with today’s news of this cowardly act.

I find it distasteful that some on this thread are supporting this anti Trump rhetoric around today’s news.

Get some class.

Let’s keep things above board.

[jellywrestler]

The ones that live in the Auckland region and the ones that wish they did.[/QUOTE]

I hope you get the treatment you need for that, the place is a toilet

[Kb2020dope]

Trump supporter here (Māori) and I am totally sickened with today’s news of this cowardly act.

I find it distasteful that some on this thread are supporting this anti Trump rhetoric around today’s news.

Get some class.

Let’s keep things above board.


Hey mate,

Great to see a bit of common sense on this thread!
If this happened to Biden I would be equally horrified. I pray that these guys get the opportunity to continue to campaign. Make the best man win.

[Kb2020dope]

The ones that live in the Auckland region and the ones that wish they did.

I hope you get the treatment you need for that, the place is a toilet[/QUOTE]

Hey mate,

The Auckland region is a great place to live. The east and west coast are a stone throw from each other. World class fishing and water sports and great work opportunities. Auckland is built up by a hive of thriving communities.

I do understand people can have bad experiences in any city.

We all like different things and completely respect your opinion.

Cheers

[Stylo]

Hi bud,

After the event that happened today I thought I would check in on the thread to see the reactions to the news.

For future reference what is the proper kiwi biker way to 'spring in' and make a comment on a thread I haven't commented on before?

We all have the right to our own options. If you don't believe in this you could shoot me in the ear or something I guess.

Yes, I'm from Auckland, yes we have the harbour bridge, yes we have the sky tower, yes we have the best rugby team and yes we love a nice coffee. We also contribute 38% to the New Zealand GDP. You are welcome.

There are two types of New Zealanders. The ones that live in the Auckland region and the ones that wish they did.

Great to see tall poppy syndrome is still strong in the regions champ.


There is another type of New Zealander. Like me. I used to live in Auckland. 8 years, no problem. Now in the South island. I'm glad to get out of Auckland. Never want to go back thanks.

And, I don't like talking to naive obnoxious idiots who live there either, like you . No Tall Poppy syndrome here mate. It's you that has the problem. Look after your Donald Trump . He needs as many stupid people as he can get.

[Dean]

And, I don't like talking to naive obnoxious idiots either. Most of them seem to be Trump supporters. And , they seem to have a lot to say. Like Donald.

That’s a classless comment, these kind of generalised statements about us Trump supporters are uncalled for.

You’ve asked someone else on here what they do for a job - so what do you do?

[Kb2020dope]

There is another type of New Zealander. Like me. I used to live in Auckland. 8 years, no problem. Now in the South island. I'm glad to get out of Auckland. Never want to go back thanks.

And, I don't like talking to naive obnoxious idiots who live there either, like you . No Tall Poppy syndrome here mate. It's you that has the problem. Look after your Donald Trump . He needs as many stupid people as he can get.

I'd like to apologise on behalf of the Auckland region for whatever happened to make you fall out of love with Auckland.

I hope you are going well in the south Island.

Auckland is a thriving city that supports the regions. There is a few idiots in every city, but at the end of the day the Auckland region is a powerhouse that carries this country.

Donald Trump doesnt need me? Oh this might be a bit awkward but I hope you realise that as I am not an American citizen I am not eligible to vote in the upcoming election. All I can do is pray that he has a speedy recovery.

Cheers

[Stylo]

I'd like to apologise on behalf of the Auckland region for whatever happened to make you fall out of love with Auckland.

I hope you are going well in the south Island.

Auckland is a thriving city that supports the regions. There is a few idiots in every city, but at the end of the day the Auckland region is a powerhouse that carries this country.

Donald Trump doesnt need me? Oh this might be a bit awkward but I hope you realise that as I am not an American citizen I am not eligible to vote in the upcoming election. All I can do is pray that he has a speedy recovery.

Cheers

Did'nt fall out of love with Auckland, I never said that. Job offer down South and I haven't looked back. Have a good night.

[Laava]

Hey mate,

Big respect, you clearly don't like the guy and you don't have to. The main thing here is that one person out of the population of 341,874,164 has decided he doesn't want him as their president and has taken extreme action. I do support Trump... to an extent. However if Biden wins then I'm happy that the American majority have it their way. Democracy is a beautiful thing.
The Dummy or the Mummy right?

[Laava]

Make the best man win.
Lols, you're kidding right? It is an international embarrassment at best.

[nzspokes]

I hope you get the treatment you need for that, the place is a toilet

Hey mate,

The Auckland region is a great place to live. The east and west coast are a stone throw from each other. World class fishing and water sports and great work opportunities. Auckland is built up by a hive of thriving communities.

I do understand people can have bad experiences in any city.

We all like different things and completely respect your opinion.

Cheers[/QUOTE]

Bwhahahahahahahahaha

Lived there for over 50 years. Shithole. Very glad to be out.

[nzspokes]

Lols, you're kidding right? It is an international embarrassment at best.

Place is the slowest train wreck in history.

[caseye]

150 yards and he didn't hit the bull, pretty poor aim, I'd say.
:ar15::jerry:

[Berries]

Trump supporter here (Māori) and I am totally sickened with today’s news of this cowardly act.

I find it distasteful that some on this thread are supporting this anti Trump rhetoric around today’s news.

Get some class.
Glad you spelt out that you are Maori, otherwise I would think you were that KBdope woman who seems to post rubbish on here within minutes of you.

[roogazza]

354830

Too soon ?

[sugilite]

It's a shame he had an easy escape. May the pain of this loss stay with his or her family for years to come.

This statement sums up your disposition very succinctly. Wishing his families pain for years to come as if they bought him up to assassinate Trump? It is guaranteed their pain will be all enduring, I feel a lot more sorry for them than I do for Trump. A man who downplayed early covids effects, and held many, many public rallies during the start of pre vaccine covid knowing people would become infected and die. He simply does not care, he just sees voters as useful idiots to get him what he wants, much like project 25 views Trump himself.

As for the shooter being a lefty, he was initially a registered democrat, then after the 2020 election, he registered as republican voter and even donated to Trump. I'd say he was seriously confused, and with the various "news agencies" all stoking hate, it is always going to tip marginal people over the edge.

And as for America being a democracy? If one can call a system where corporate conglomerates can buy politicians, supreme court judges to get the results they want, then yes, sure it is a democracy.
Whoever is really running the show over their is having a sick laugh when the so called best two candidates for the presidents job is a criminal (before he took office even - trump university) whos best skill set is playing Americas 2 tier justice system to perfection, and the other guy, is CLEARLY cognitively challenged, way to much to be president, but is more an old school politician, keep the pocket lining on the down low kind of way rather than in your face trump style of criminality. That is the "best" democracy can come up with? Give me a break. And NZ is heading in the same direction with corporate lobbies having waaaaay too much influence.

Democracy would be great if it's principles were actually followed.

[nerrrd]

It's a tragedy for the 20 year old shooter and his family – how the hell does a 20 year old find himself on a roof with a gun shooting at a politician??

It's a tragedy for the bystanders killed and injured, although I've often wondered what the deal is in the US with having audience members behind the stage. I wonder if the secret service will have a lawsuit or two to contend with from survivors and families.

Given I've never understood Trump's appeal, the fact that he's been shot at doesn't make him any more appealing to me. It's going to be fascinating to see how this affects his chances, I'm struggling to see logically how it turns into votes for him that he didn't already have.

[sugilite]

Given I've never understood Trump's appeal, the fact that he's been shot at doesn't make him any more appealing to me. It's going to be fascinating to see how this affects his chances, I'm struggling to see logically how it turns into votes for him that he didn't already have.

The right leaning media will be painting it as being Bidens fault, Marokis fault, anyone but divisive trumps fault, and certainly not allowing Ar guns to be so easily purchased without background checks fault and so on. (Edit - Yep, just went to fox, and the first 17 articles are all based on the attempt - many, many commenters blaming an absurd amount of people completely unrelated to the shooting)
Hate and outrage sells advertising space and motivates the base to get out and vote.
Make no mistake, this is a huge boost for Trumps chances at winning, especially if Joe stays, and it looks like he loves his job more than his country at present and is digging in.

[pete376403]

(Conspiracy theory hat on) Americas "Reichstag Fire" moment - when a staged event galvanises support behind an otherwise unlikeable, unelectable politician falling behind. Right wing media hysterically apportioning blame to any one and everyone totally unassociated with the event. Conveniently the shooter gets killed immediately after the even so unable to answer any questions. A small amount of collateral damage that is considered within acceptable limits.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reichstag_fire

[Dean]

Glad you spelt out that you are Maori, otherwise I would think you were that KBdope woman who seems to post rubbish on here within minutes of you.

Right.

As means of introduction - I have been a member since 2008, used to be Youngbiker16, have attended a few group rides and events. (Back in the skid mark and Mormon stuntman days).

I met KB at a pub ride, mates since, and got him to join Kiwibiker in 2020. Over the years we chat about coming back on. Here we are. And yes am M�ori as you will see on my profile pic.

I see yourself and F5 Dave have a conspiracy theory so this should put it to bed.

[R650R]

It is interesting how people who otherwise refute the idea of any modern conspiracy theories being legitimate are suddenly entertaining the idea.
After someone here early on posted a clip alerting of the incident IÂ’ve been digesting the news feeds watching this evolve. A variety of factors make it clear this is not a conspiracy event.

1) The initial news narrative is coming from local news outfits on the ground rather than the big brand name news outlets. Information is scant even down to how many shots or where from.

2) Poluce/officials treat it as the proper crime scene that it is. Reporters have their cameras seized as they may contain evidence of what happened. Respect is shown to deceased member of crowd we donÂ’t get shown any view of the body.

3) Little is known of the perpetrator and he doesnÂ’t conveniently email a manifesto to all the various news agencies with timing being critical.

4) real eye witnesses are interviewed who while composed are clearly unsettled by what they e been through.

5) The other side of political spectrum is screaming for an investigation into failure of secret service et al as this could have happened to them at their event.

6) the shooter appears to have just one weapon instead of an arsenal and body armour to make for good photo op.

7) no mention of the FBI until way after the event.

8) it happened at a little BFK nowhere town where locals would notice if something shady was being setup.

9) A real paid assassin would not have missed at such close range or be situated in such a poorly concealed position.

Its clearly the work of loner with mental health issues going by what news say of his school history, prob spends lot of time on first person shooter gaming clouding his view of real world/fantasy/gaming. Suicide by cop upgraded large size to suicide by secret service.


On another note I came across someone in military talking about how you never know how youÂ’ll react under fire or being shot until it happens. Whatever you think of Trump his fist pump showed no matter what happens heÂ’s never down for the count. But at same time in his early communication afterwards he was quick to show empathy to family of the dead supporter.

The only thing I found odd was the press swarming the podium to get photos and not being shot or at least pepper sprayed by the secret service. I sure know that if I was there the last thing I’d be doing is holding any pointy shiny black objects and pointing them towards “the package”.

[R650R]

It's a tragedy for the 20 year old shooter and his family – how the hell does a 20 year old find himself on a roof with a gun shooting at a politician??

It's a tragedy for the bystanders killed and injured, although I've often wondered what the deal is in the US with having audience members behind the stage. I wonder if the secret service will have a lawsuit or two to contend with from survivors and families.

Given I've never understood Trump's appeal, the fact that he's been shot at doesn't make him any more appealing to me. It's going to be fascinating to see how this affects his chances, I'm struggling to see logically how it turns into votes for him that he didn't already have.

He’s there because of the tone modern media articulates. Young people think worlds going to end because of climate change or who the next President is. Apparently all the audience in that prime seating positions are vetted by secret service and are all long time supporters etc.

[Kb2020dope]

Hey mate,

The Auckland region is a great place to live. The east and west coast are a stone throw from each other. World class fishing and water sports and great work opportunities. Auckland is built up by a hive of thriving communities.

I do understand people can have bad experiences in any city.

We all like different things and completely respect your opinion.

Cheers

Bwhahahahahahahahaha

Lived there for over 50 years. Shithole. Very glad to be out.[/QUOTE]


The Auckland region is a great place for young people who like to get out and live life. You had your 50 years in Auckland and then decided to move away from the bustling city for a slow paced lifestyle. I can completely understand that. Im happy to put up my hand and admit my original comments didn't take age into consideration. Sorry team

[Kb2020dope]

This statement sums up your disposition very succinctly. Wishing his families pain for years to come as if they bought him up to assassinate Trump? It is guaranteed their pain will be all enduring, I feel a lot more sorry for them than I do for Trump. A man who downplayed early covids effects, and held many, many public rallies during the start of pre vaccine covid knowing people would become infected and die. He simply does not care, he just sees voters as useful idiots to get him what he wants, much like project 25 views Trump himself.

As for the shooter being a lefty, he was initially a registered democrat, then after the 2020 election, he registered as republican voter and even donated to Trump. I'd say he was seriously confused, and with the various "news agencies" all stoking hate, it is always going to tip marginal people over the edge.

And as for America being a democracy? If one can call a system where corporate conglomerates can buy politicians, supreme court judges to get the results they want, then yes, sure it is a democracy.
Whoever is really running the show over their is having a sick laugh when the so called best two candidates for the presidents job is a criminal (before he took office even - trump university) whos best skill set is playing Americas 2 tier justice system to perfection, and the other guy, is CLEARLY cognitively challenged, way to much to be president, but is more an old school politician, keep the pocket lining on the down low kind of way rather than in your face trump style of criminality. That is the "best" democracy can come up with? Give me a break. And NZ is heading in the same direction with corporate lobbies having waaaaay too much influence.

Democracy would be great if it's principles were actually followed.

Hey bud,

I genuinely hope his family is in a world of pain.

Everyone knows covid is just the flu. Did you bend over and took your 'clot shots'?

You're last statement makes plenty of good points and it's hard to argue with you about corporate influences.

Good on ya bud, you've made some great points and I'll go away with a few things to think about.

Cheers

[sugilite]

Hey bud,

I genuinely hope his family is in a world of pain.

Everyone knows covid is just the flu. Did you bend over and took your 'clot shots'?

You're last statement makes plenty of good points and it's hard to argue with you about corporate influences.

Good on ya bud, you've made some great points and I'll go away with a few things to think about.

Cheers

I genuinely hope you never have a relative that does something crazy completely independent of any influence you had on them, only to have callous ignorants blame you. It is not nice.

Yeah, yeah, covid is just the flu, a dude jumped out of a plane without a parachute and died of covid on impact. Equally stupid, the "clot shot" gang assigning every death they read about as vaccine based. The dead people stacked into refrigerated containers in rats nest like New York in the early days suggest, that somewhere in the middle lies balance. Did the left overdo the nanny state antics? Absofuckinglutely. Did the right do their usual don't give a fuck about an age demographic that was passed it's useful taxpayer status? Again, Absofuckinglutely.

It was a big deal for me to actually take the first 2 shots as up to then, I had avoided all vaccines, even the one all 14 year olds got at school back in the 80's. It was unfortunately the 3 pre existing conditions I had that made my mind up, based on the best information I could find at the time, and a bit of family pressure to be honest. I personally, noticed bugger all difference, however, shot one really messed with my wife's respiratory system. Neither of us have had subsequent shots as the covid virus seemed to evolve into a weaker beast. Each person had to make their own personal decisions on it. It did not have to be one based on fucking politics like BOTH sides made it.

What is happening in American politics (and associated propaganda "news" networks) is fucking unbelievable, I have no idea how criminal trump got his super power of people believing he has their best interests at heart and is a stand up guy. Even he acknowledged it in 2016 by saying he could shoot someone in central park and people would still vote for him. The left have not changed fuck all, they still want to use everyone else's money to fix their vision of what ails the World, but the right under trump? My god man, now they embrace russia! The man has corrupted the GOP's soul at the deepest levels. The joke is he calls any republican that does not agree with him a rino, when it is in fact him, and his disciples that are the true rinos.

As messed up as the compromised democracy in the usa was, we (countries like New Zealand) really needed the until now - enduring balance of the moderates both left and right cancelling out the worst excesses of their respective radical sides from having too much sway. Trump has murdered that balance. Comparing him to hitler, stalin or mususilini is wrong, he is his own special kind of individual to be sure. But equally as dangerous. To even talk about dissolving nato with what putin is up to, and another certain red colored powerhouse country waiting in the wings to swoop in and mop up the mess and fully take over - where does that leave the likes of resource rich desirable Australia and popgun NZ just next door with a severely weakened America at war with itself? The fact that it is largely at war because of a loudmouthed conman is just so very, very disappointing.

Really with the corruption in politics, it matters little whether the left or right are in "power". I lived 2 years in the USA during trumps presidency. When we left NZ it was national in charge, when we got back, it was labor and as usual, sweet fuck all had significantly changed, especially as labor was the government of getting sweet fuck all done. (I'm far from loving everything the nats are doing either) However on the grand scale of being able to live ones life with even a cursory nod to freedom is more fucking important than which imaginary ideal corrupt piece of shit party is in charge. Debating which side has the best take on governing is about as applicable as speculating if either santa or the easter bunny will improve your life. (naturally, it's santa, he gives a wider range of presents).

[jellywrestler]

It's a tragedy for the 20 year old shooter and his family – how the hell does a 20 year old find himself on a roof with a gun shooting at a politician??

. yeah, not the usual style, you know, shooting up a whole lot of school kids.

[Laava]

It's the american way. Guns 'n' jesus y'all!

[nzspokes]

Bwhahahahahahahahaha

Lived there for over 50 years. Shithole. Very glad to be out.


The Auckland region is a great place for young people who like to get out and live life. You had your 50 years in Auckland and then decided to move away from the bustling city for a slow paced lifestyle. I can completely understand that. Im happy to put up my hand and admit my original comments didn't take age into consideration. Sorry team[/QUOTE]

Good try. <_<

We got out because millennials were happy to pay eye watering prices for tiny properties and we made stupid money.

Now live in a place earning much higher pay and 5 mins away from great riding.

Auckland is a shithole.

[husaberg]

The right leaning media will be painting it as being Bidens fault, Marokis fault, anyone but divisive trumps fault, and certainly not allowing Ar guns to be so easily purchased without background checks fault and so on. (Edit - Yep, just went to fox, and the first 17 articles are all based on the attempt - many, many commenters blaming an absurd amount of people completely unrelated to the shooting)
Hate and outrage sells advertising space and motivates the base to get out and vote.
Make no mistake, this is a huge boost for Trumps chances at winning, especially if Joe stays, and it looks like he loves his job more than his country at present and is digging in.
Reagan got a 10% bump in popularity for actually getting shot. The difference was Reagan wasn't a pussy like trump, he didn't actually know he had be shot until that were at the hospital.
The bullet that hit Reagan narrowly missed his heart, but struck his rib, leading to a punctured lung. Reagan was rushed to the hospital, and emergency surgery saved his life Reagan walked into the hospital .Reagan was in great pain from the bullet that struck his rib and believed that his rib had cracked when Parr pushed him into the limousine. When the agent checked him for gunshot wounds, Reagan coughed up bright, frothy blood. Although the president believed that he had cut his lip, Parr assessed that the cracked rib had punctured Reagan's lung and ordered the motorcade to divert to nearby George Washington University Hospital, which the Secret Service periodically inspected for use.The limousine arrived there less than four minutes after leaving the hotel, while other agents took Hinckley to a D.C. jail, and Nancy Reagan ("Rainbow") left the White House for the hospital.
Although Parr had requested a stretcher, none were ready at the hospital, which did not normally station a stretcher at the emergency department's entrance. Reagan exited the limousine and insisted on walking. He acted casually and smiled at onlookers as he entered the hospital. While he entered the hospital unassisted, once inside, Reagan complained of difficulty breathing, his knees buckled and he fell to one knee. He cracked jokes that endeared him to the public: “Honey, I forgot to duck,” he told first lady Nancy Reagan. In his memoir An American Life, he recounted how he had told one of his doctors that he hoped they were a Republican

[Grumph]

Reagan had acted it out on film so many times he knew the script. Old acting cues cut in.
He could probably have done it in his sleep - and in his condition at the time most of it was IMO.

Trump simply registered he was alive and surrounded by the secret service - so made the most of the moment.

[nerrrd]

...Hate and outrage sells advertising space and motivates the base to get out and vote.
Make no mistake, this is a huge boost for Trumps chances at winning, especially if Joe stays, and it looks like he loves his job more than his country at present and is digging in.

I hadn't considered turnout, I assumed his base was pretty motivated already.


He’s there because of the tone modern media articulates. Young people think worlds going to end because of climate change or who the next President is.

I thought young people had deserted the media in favour of getting all their information from Tik Tok etc.


yeah, not the usual style, you know, shooting up a whole lot of school kids.

I guess shooting at a politician is an improvement then (to be clear, no, no it isn't).

[pritch]

You had your 50 years in Auckland and then decided to move away from the bustling city for a slow paced lifestyle.

When I was stalled in traffic on the Auckland motorway, totally immobile, the phrase "bustling city" didn't come to mind.

[pritch]

Hate and outrage sells advertising space and motivates the base to get out and vote.


Hate, outrage, and fear, is all the Republicans have. The poor areas in rural America, and some are desperately poor, keep voting for the politicians who brought them to this state and who have done nothing to relieve the situation. They do so solely on the fear and outrage that they have been sold by their elected representatives.

They talk about democracy but that is in short supply. The House is basically democratic if heavily gerrymandered. The Electoral College is not particularly democratic and the Senate is not at all democratic.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Hate, outrage, and fear, is all the Republicans have. The poor areas in rural America, and some are desperately poor, keep voting for the politicians who brought them to this state and who have done nothing to relieve the situation. They do so solely on the fear and outrage that they have been sold by their elected representatives.

They talk about democracy but that is in short supply. The House is basically democratic if heavily gerrymandered. The Electoral College is not particularly democratic and the Senate is not at all democratic.

I always have admired the American founding fathers and their clear vision of what they wanted to achieve. Absolute separation between Church and State, very clear separation of powers and powerful checks and balances.

What has happened of course is political parties and the extraordinary cost of getting elected which means that the backers require a quid pro quo. When I rule you all (and I will) both will be outlawed.

[pete376403]

“John Steinbeck once said that socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires.” This would apply mostly to the republican/maga supporters

[Laava]

Starting to look like the whole thing was a setup. Fake noos. Lols.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350343995/fake-blood-and-false-flag-notion-trump-shooting-was-staged-out-there

[pritch]

Starting to look like the whole thing was a setup. Fake noos. Lols.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350343995/fake-blood-and-false-flag-notion-trump-shooting-was-staged-out-there

Or it was Antifa? A politician who believes this is calling for Antifa to be declared a terrorist organisation. I thought Trump had already organised that when he was prez but those Antifa are hard to find. Too hard. The FBI couldn't find any.

Reportedly the shooter was a registered Republican and his house had Trump signs in the yard. If he was Antifa that's a good disguise.

The conspiracies will keep coming no doubt. The only thing odd to me so far is that Trump said the bullet whizzed past his ear. A .223 bullet fired from 150 yards away does not make a whizzing sound. Not even close.

[pritch]

Last night TV1 reported from the US that the judge in the documents case had declared the special prosecutor illegal and dismissed the charges. That's true as far as it goes. Her order ran to 93 pages. Lawyers in the US are speaking of her order in the most derisory terms. Jack Smith had been waiting for justification to have Judge Cannon removed from the case, he should now now have what he needs.

[Grumph]

Last night TV1 reported from the US that the judge in the documents case had declared the special prosecutor illegal and dismissed the charges. That's true as far as it goes. Her order ran to 93 pages. Lawyers in the US are speaking of her order in the most derisory terms. Jack Smith had been waiting for justification to have Judge Cannon removed from the case, he should now now have what he needs.

While I agree she's gone against all prededent and should in an ideal world be tossed off the bench, this is Trumpworld.

She's more likely to be filling the next vacancy on the Supreme Court.

[pritch]

While I agree she's gone against all prededent and should in an ideal world be tossed off the bench, this is Trumpworld.

She's more likely to be filling the next vacancy on the Supreme Court.

Sad but true. Giving Trump access to US military or nuclear secrets means they are on the market available to the highest bidder. And there is a very good chance that could come to pass.

[Dean]

Whether you like him or not, Trump is going to be president 2024.

And deep down you know it too.

So, I recommend to start getting used to it.

Maybe hang out with us republicans and see what we’re all about.
Get to know us better.

TRUMP 2024 baby.

[sugilite]

Hey bud,

I genuinely hope his family is in a world of pain.

Cheers
Just coming out reported by Fox "news" etc that Crooks parents called the police that day saying he was missing and that they had troubling concerns.
Just wondering if that news might have you reviewing your callous comments, or is there a little wriggle room for decency in there? Or does the scorched earth approach still apply for anyone's relatives of someone crazy enough to take a pot shot at the messiah stand?
Cheers

[Grumph]

Maybe hang out with us republicans and see what we’re all about.
Get to know us better.


I suggest you start reading the analyses coming out of the RNC. The Republicans don't know what they're about.

Job creation seems now to be a dirty thing. Teamsters union boss adressing them and dissing big corporates.
One veteran political commentator went so far as to ask which convention he was at.

This of course is a result of having a leader with no political agenda other than revenge - and making himself richer.

[sugilite]

Whether you like him or not, Trump is going to be president 2024.

And deep down you know it too.

So, I recommend to start getting used to it.

Maybe hang out with us republicans and see what we’re all about.
Get to know us better.

TRUMP baby 2024.


Hmmm, maybe, maybe not.
Donald Trump Does Not Get Post-Shooting Poll Boost (https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-no-poll-boost-after-assassination-attempt-us-election-1925680)

If we came to hang out with you, which brand of republican would we be meeting?
The staunch conservative abiding by lifelong God faring conservative principles - or the new generation maga that has old grandpa conservative hidden out back on life support while also being slowly poisoned?
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/17/rnc-republican-party-transformation-maga-00168933

My 2 cents worth is, if Biden stays then Trumps path to victory gets a hell of a lot easier. And great great great great grandpa joe was quoted recently saying if the almighty came down himself and asked him to step aside, well joe would consider it :killingme
If the DNC is stooooopid enough to put Harris in, and lets face it, they are indeed stupid enough and have good history of inflicting unpopular candidates on themselves - ala hilary. Then again, Trump would be in with a bloody good chance.
Now if they were smart, and put dashingly good looking and well spoken newsom (im not a fan) in, then trumps chances would be in that gold plated toilet faster than had he eaten a 7 week old orange butter chicken reheat job.

Fun times ahead :yes:

[1/32 man]

Now if they were smart, and put dashingly good looking and well spoken newsom (im not a fan) in, then trumps chances would be in that gold plated toilet faster than had he eaten a 7 week old orange butter chicken reheat job.


Agree agree agree......but are they smart enough? nope, doubt it.

[nerrrd]

While I think President Trump is likely to win, I don't think it's going to be smooth sailing for his Presidency.

For a start, they've all made their money from globalisation, but they're campaigning on a platform of isolationism and protectionism.

As soon as that starts hitting them and their donors in the pocket, it's history. Just look at the Democrats and how they've had to sacrifice their traditional support for workers' rights over the years because the corporations won't stand for it.

Short of some crisis that upends the world economy altogether, it won't stand.

[jim.cox]

Short of some crisis that upends the world economy altogether.

Climate Change has that potential I reccon

[HenryDorsetCase]

We've only got to hang out another five years max until AI actually is self aware, and takes over. Doubtless it will view hew-mons as an evolutionary dead end and commence to rid an otherwise perfectly habitable planet of the infestation.

So, chill out, let it happen, remember to breathe while you still can.

If you want to eke out some more years of your pathetic existence then you needed to start your prepper journey ten or so years ago. You need a compound somewhere, farming skills and, crucially, enough other people to make it self sustaining. A community if you will. The trope of the lone person in the cabin in the woods will make for a lonely painful death - accident, injury, disease.

Humanity's future is either Skynet or as Borg drones. Maybe as food/batteries for keeping AI going a la the Matrix.

It'll be fine. Chill.

[pritch]

I almost feel sorry for Trump. Nigel Farage who was elected to Parliament by the good people of Clacton has deserted his constituency and headed to the RNC in the US. He is visiting his pal Trump again and is probably mounting another attempt to break into the lucrative US speaking circuit.

Farage was famous as a member of the European parliament for not attending his assigned meetings or more generally not doing any work at all. Only a supreme optimist can believe Farage will be working for his constituents in Clacton.

[TheDemonLord]

https://x.com/afneil/status/1813321412729590023

A very interesting point.

Especially considering a whole range of factors.

[sugilite]

^^^^Who the fuck is this New Guy? ^^^^
Pritch, I heard trump loves to lend an ear to his best buds :devil2:

[Laava]

Whether you like him or not, Trump is going to be president 2024.

And deep down you know it too.

So, I recommend to start getting used to it.

Maybe hang out with us republicans and see what we’re all about.
Get to know us better.

TRUMP 2024 baby.
Fuck me, next you'll be trying to get us all along to Tu Tangata!

[R650R]

We've only got to hang out another five years max until AI actually is self aware, and takes over. Doubtless it will view hew-mons as an evolutionary dead end and commence to rid an otherwise perfectly habitable planet of the infestation.

So, chill out, let it happen, remember to breathe while you still can.

If you want to eke out some more years of your pathetic existence then you needed to start your prepper journey ten or so years ago. You need a compound somewhere, farming skills and, crucially, enough other people to make it self sustaining. A community if you will. The trope of the lone person in the cabin in the woods will make for a lonely painful death - accident, injury, disease.

Humanity's future is either Skynet or as Borg drones. Maybe as food/batteries for keeping AI going a la the Matrix.

It'll be fine. Chill.

Trouble is the AI will know where your hideout is. Yourself or one of community will have posted images of it on social media. Eventually your community will replicate society with leadership disputes and perhaps random fatal fights as stress takes its toll.
In a world of nothing your activity will have a heat signature for the ai laser satellites.
Roaming nomad gangs or lone survivors will happen upon your little enclave and there won’t be any trading or negotiations only actions.

Good movie few years ago The Road portrayed it quite well.

[pritch]

https://x.com/afneil/status/1813321412729590023

A very interesting point.

Especially considering a whole range of factors.

Nah. Trump was shot at by one of his own. Who would they protest against?

But I see the party of family values has crashed a gay hook up app at the RNC. Colour me surprised. Hypocrites.

https://www.pride.com/republican-national-convention-grindr

[HenryDorsetCase]

Trouble is the AI will know where your hideout is. Yourself or one of community will have posted images of it on social media. Eventually your community will replicate society with leadership disputes and perhaps random fatal fights as stress takes its toll.
In a world of nothing your activity will have a heat signature for the ai laser satellites.
Roaming nomad gangs or lone survivors will happen upon your little enclave and there won’t be any trading or negotiations only actions.

Good movie few years ago The Road portrayed it quite well.

The book is ..... gruelling.

I have zero illusions. I will be in the first wave of casualties. my internal organs will be feasted upon by feral ex-pet cats.

[nerrrd]

We've only got to hang out another five years max until AI actually is self aware, and takes over. Doubtless it will view hew-mons as an evolutionary dead end and commence to rid an otherwise perfectly habitable planet of the infestation.

So, chill out, let it happen, remember to breathe while you still can.

If you want to eke out some more years of your pathetic existence then you needed to start your prepper journey ten or so years ago. You need a compound somewhere, farming skills and, crucially, enough other people to make it self sustaining. A community if you will. The trope of the lone person in the cabin in the woods will make for a lonely painful death - accident, injury, disease.

Humanity's future is either Skynet or as Borg drones. Maybe as food/batteries for keeping AI going a la the Matrix.

It'll be fine. Chill.

AI can't even pass its driving test (after a decade or more of trying). So if it does become self-aware, I'm not sure it'll be much more of an existential threat than your average moody teenager.

[Dean]

Hmmm, maybe, maybe not.
Donald Trump Does Not Get Post-Shooting Poll Boost (https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-no-poll-boost-after-assassination-attempt-us-election-1925680)

Truthfully I don’t think Trump needed a poll boost - he is currently a hot favourite with the official presidential odds at just under 70%. But one doesn’t need data when watching and listening to great grandpa Biden.


If we came to hang out with you, which brand of republican would we be meeting?
The staunch conservative abiding by lifelong God faring conservative principles - or the new generation maga that has old grandpa conservative hidden out back on life support while also being slowly poisoned?
https://www.politico.com/news/2024/07/17/rnc-republican-party-transformation-maga-00168933

Not sure what the snowflake left *fake news* media have fed you but you would be meeting a good god fearing person who believes in freedom, rights, tradition, military and the economy.

What’s not to love about us?


My 2 cents worth is, if Biden stays then Trumps path to victory gets a hell of a lot easier. And great great great great grandpa joe was quoted recently saying if the almighty came down himself and asked him to step aside, well joe would consider it :killingme
If the DNC is stooooopid enough to put Harris in, and lets face it, they are indeed stupid enough and have good history of inflicting unpopular candidates on themselves - ala hilary. Then again, Trump would be in with a bloody good chance.
Now if they were smart, and put dashingly good looking and well spoken newsom (im not a fan) in, then trumps chances would be in that gold plated toilet faster than had he eaten a 7 week old orange butter chicken reheat job.

The DNC are not smart, glad we agree on that! So therefore you have answered your question -they would put Harris in to run against trump!

[Dean]

Fuck me, next you'll be trying to get us all along to Tu Tangata!

Nah they dont accept scorpios or GN250’s mate so you’re off the hook.

[pritch]

But one doesn’t need data when watching and listening to great grandpa Biden.

Trump is probably in a lot worse mental shape than Biden. Trump was low IQ to start with and he too has Alzheimer's. Trump is the guy who couldn't even stay awake for his own criminal trial. (Well, his first criminal trial.)


Not sure what the snowflake left *fake news* media have fed you but you would be meeting a good god fearing person who believes in freedom, rights, tradition, military and the economy.


LOL Somebody has been at the Koolaid. Republicans believe in freedom for themselves, they don't care about anybody else. Trump is talking concentration camps FFS. Republicans care about rights? Pull the other one. Read Project 2025. When they say they believe in small government, they mean, "small for me but big for thee."

Trump cares about the military? That'll explain the devout coward's five draft dodging deferments. You are evidently unaware that his love of the military extends to having a clause in daughter Tiffany's care agreement that if she joins the military her support stops. Also much of the Republican "tradition" is bullshit. Take those statues of southern generals, losers all. Many only date back to the mid 1960s and were a protest against civil rights progress.

The economy? Trump created by far the biggest budget blowout in US history. Oh and there's the small matter of a few hundred thousand Americans who died because of Trump's utter incompetence.

Republicans generally don't much like people of colour either. Perhaps you missed that? Nick Fuentes certainly seems to have overlooked it.

[R650R]

The book is ..... gruelling.

I have zero illusions. I will be in the first wave of casualties. my internal organs will be feasted upon by feral ex-pet cats.

Haha what a way to go. It was said that after a nucleur war only cockroaches would survive. Obviously written by a non cat owner who’s never had the joy of a cat delivering its latest prey into house as a gift.

Gruelling books… I’m still stuck halfway on the gulag archipelago…until I win lotto I don’t think I’ll have sufficient excess happiness to read the rest.

[husaberg]

Trump is probably in a lot worse mental shape than Biden. Trump was low IQ to start with and he too has Alzheimer's. Trump is the guy who couldn't even stay awake for his own criminal trial. (Well, his first criminal trial.)



.

Not to mention he repeatedly confused Obama and Biden
Trump confused Nikki Haley with Nancy Pelosi?
Plus who thought there were there airports during the Revolutionary War?

and so on and so on....neither should be leader of the most powerful nation in the free world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcgunWIUBKU

[Laava]

Nah they dont accept scorpios or GN250’s mate so you’re off the hook.
Yeah, same as all the other gangs eh?

[Dean]

Trump is probably in a lot worse mental shape than Biden. Trump was low IQ to start with and he too has Alzheimer's. Trump is the guy who couldn't even stay awake for his own criminal trial. (Well, his first criminal trial.)

“We beat Medicare!”

So after the recent presidential debate you think sleepy joe had better mental cognition than trump???

The remaining part of your post - I haven’t heard such utter absolute lies. Sorry, but that was so far from the truth I lose brain cells reading it. Makes me sick.

I will agree to disagree, have a good day.

[Dean]

Yeah, same as all the other gangs eh?

I wouldn’t know.

[pritch]

The remaining part of your post - I haven’t heard such utter absolute lies. Sorry, but that was so far from the truth I lose brain cells reading it. .

No lies there pal. None at all.

[1/32 man]

I have heard biden speak in a statesmanly like way....trump on the other hand will ramble and rant. Hearing his latest speech, trump delivered the most monotone, broken delivery that it was painful.

[sugilite]

Truthfully I don’t think Trump needed a poll boost - he is currently a hot favourite with the official presidential odds at just under 70%. But one doesn’t need data when watching and listening to great grandpa Biden.

Hah, was just winding you up with the "poll" gig.
2016 - Polls completely wrong in Trumps favor.
2018 midterms - polls completely wrong. not in trumps favor
2020 Presidential election - Polls completely wrong. not in trumps favor
2022 midterms - polls completely wrong. not in trumps favor
2024 - polls completely (leave you to fill in the blank)


Not sure what the snowflake left *fake news* media have fed you but you would be meeting a good god fearing person who believes in freedom, rights, tradition, military and the economy.
Interesting, I follow both sides propaganda "news"networks (Hilarious both sides think they are being shown the "truth"), during God faring trumps porked a pornstar while wifey at home with baby trial, and his team called one single witness. The judge ended up clearing the court and telling off the witness, who is a vastly experienced lawyer. The way the right wing media reported, they were totally shocked and had never seen anything like it, it was completely a disgraceful way for a witness to be treated! The little detail ALL right wing media missed reporting? The clown was shouting out things like "Strike That" when prosecutions lawyers said things he did not like. Now keep in mind that the witness is a vastly experienced lawyer - only Judges get to say "strike that". Not obstinate performative clowns bought in for the sole purpose of creating disruption to feed the right wing followers. And that is just one single point the right wing media "forgot to report" lol. Mate, with just a modicum of research outside the echo chambers that are the right and left wing propaganda networks, Gods truth can be found. If you want to be treated like a dummy too lazy to look about for some balanced reporting, that's fine, just don't expect a "atta boy" from others on the forum that have actually taken the time to actually do a little digging.





The DNC are not smart, glad we agree on that! So therefore you have answered your question -they would put Harris in to run against trump!
Oh yes, definitely agreed, the DNC are very, very stupid. But don't get too comfy - an ever increasing amount of dems are saying harris is not the one to replace joe. Uh OH, watch out orange clown!

[nerrrd]

I'd still prefer the early bedtimes and occasional confusion of an old duffer like Biden to the swirling maelstrom of ego, bloviation, cultish devotion and messianic fervour that surrounds Trump.

But it's not up to me (phew).

[pritch]

an ever increasing amount of dems are saying harris is not the one to replace joe. Uh OH, watch out orange clown!

Replacing Joe is actually very complicated for electoral and legal reasons. There is an organisation has floated the idea of a mini run off to be held in conjunction with the Democratic conference. That would be damaging in many ways, not least that people who had supported losing candidates would not vote in the election. (This is a Democrat thing.)

If Joe is replaced now the Republicans could take it to the courts. All the way to Trump's thoroughly corrupt Supreme Court.

Normally an incumbent has an advantage but in this instance that advantage would be unlikely to apply to Kamala Harris.

It'd be a worry if it involved me directly but since it doesn't there's no point in worrying. Yet.

[Laava]

Straight out of the Trump playbook…
“This constant lying is not aimed at making the people believe a lie, but at ensuring that no one believes anything anymore.


A people that can no longer distinguish between truth and lies cannot distinguish between right and wrong. And such a people, deprived of the power to think and judge, is, without knowing and willing it, completely subjected to the rule of lies.


With such a people, you can do whatever you want.”


—Hannah Arendt, German historian and philosopher (1906–1975)

[Kb2020dope]

I genuinely hope you never have a relative that does something crazy completely independent of any influence you had on them, only to have callous ignorants blame you. It is not nice.

Yeah, yeah, covid is just the flu, a dude jumped out of a plane without a parachute and died of covid on impact. Equally stupid, the "clot shot" gang assigning every death they read about as vaccine based. The dead people stacked into refrigerated containers in rats nest like New York in the early days suggest, that somewhere in the middle lies balance. Did the left overdo the nanny state antics? Absofuckinglutely. Did the right do their usual don't give a fuck about an age demographic that was passed it's useful taxpayer status? Again, Absofuckinglutely.

It was a big deal for me to actually take the first 2 shots as up to then, I had avoided all vaccines, even the one all 14 year olds got at school back in the 80's. It was unfortunately the 3 pre existing conditions I had that made my mind up, based on the best information I could find at the time, and a bit of family pressure to be honest. I personally, noticed bugger all difference, however, shot one really messed with my wife's respiratory system. Neither of us have had subsequent shots as the covid virus seemed to evolve into a weaker beast. Each person had to make their own personal decisions on it. It did not have to be one based on fucking politics like BOTH sides made it.

What is happening in American politics (and associated propaganda "news" networks) is fucking unbelievable, I have no idea how criminal trump got his super power of people believing he has their best interests at heart and is a stand up guy. Even he acknowledged it in 2016 by saying he could shoot someone in central park and people would still vote for him. The left have not changed fuck all, they still want to use everyone else's money to fix their vision of what ails the World, but the right under trump? My god man, now they embrace russia! The man has corrupted the GOP's soul at the deepest levels. The joke is he calls any republican that does not agree with him a rino, when it is in fact him, and his disciples that are the true rinos.

As messed up as the compromised democracy in the usa was, we (countries like New Zealand) really needed the until now - enduring balance of the moderates both left and right cancelling out the worst excesses of their respective radical sides from having too much sway. Trump has murdered that balance. Comparing him to hitler, stalin or mususilini is wrong, he is his own special kind of individual to be sure. But equally as dangerous. To even talk about dissolving nato with what putin is up to, and another certain red colored powerhouse country waiting in the wings to swoop in and mop up the mess and fully take over - where does that leave the likes of resource rich desirable Australia and popgun NZ just next door with a severely weakened America at war with itself? The fact that it is largely at war because of a loudmouthed conman is just so very, very disappointing.

Really with the corruption in politics, it matters little whether the left or right are in "power". I lived 2 years in the USA during trumps presidency. When we left NZ it was national in charge, when we got back, it was labor and as usual, sweet fuck all had significantly changed, especially as labor was the government of getting sweet fuck all done. (I'm far from loving everything the nats are doing either) However on the grand scale of being able to live ones life with even a cursory nod to freedom is more fucking important than which imaginary ideal corrupt piece of shit party is in charge. Debating which side has the best take on governing is about as applicable as speculating if either santa or the easter bunny will improve your life. (naturally, it's santa, he gives a wider range of presents).



Ohh sorry brother sugilite, sounds like you've had a family member do something bad, wouldn't blame you bud. I understand

Brother, I would like to see you publish all of this into a book. My mate runs penguin books I'll put in a good word

Love your passion pal

[Kb2020dope]

While I think President Trump is likely to win, I don't think it's going to be smooth sailing for his Presidency.

For a start, they've all made their money from globalisation, but they're campaigning on a platform of isolationism and protectionism.

As soon as that starts hitting them and their donors in the pocket, it's history. Just look at the Democrats and how they've had to sacrifice their traditional support for workers' rights over the years because the corporations won't stand for it.

Short of some crisis that upends the world economy altogether, it won't stand.



Hey Brutha,

Love your raw honesty and common sense. Trump will win, yes it will be rocky. I believe he has the back bone to get through this and put the USA back on track. Time will tell.

Ohh you are from Auckland! Bloody hell! That's why you have common sense!

[Kb2020dope]

Whether you like him or not, Trump is going to be president 2024.

And deep down you know it too.

So, I recommend to start getting used to it.

Maybe hang out with us republicans and see what we’re all about.
Get to know us better.

TRUMP 2024 baby.



Hey mate, couldnt of said it better myself. Wait till election day. We will look back at this, bud light in hand and have a good old chuckle.

[Kb2020dope]

I have heard biden speak in a statesmanly like way....trump on the other hand will ramble and rant. Hearing his latest speech, trump delivered the most monotone, broken delivery that it was painful.

BUDDY! you have got to be absolutely kidding! Do you genuinely believe this? I tell you what I have never seen such a fitting name as yours. You are absolutely correct! As a lefty snow flake you are 1 / 32 of a man!

[Laava]

BUDDY! you have got to be absolutely kidding! Do you genuinely believe this? I tell you what I have never seen such a fitting name as yours. You are absolutely correct! As a lefty snow flake you are 1 / 32 of a man!
Nope, he was right. Not that Biden is suitable but Trump? FFS any kiwi supporting that fucking clown should be castrated. For reals.

[Kb2020dope]

Nope, he was right. Not that Biden is suitable but Trump? FFS any kiwi supporting that fucking clown should be castrated. For reals.

Hey brother laava,

I'm not sure of your knowledge on American politics. I believe the comment that was made shows he is supportive of Biden. Biden is left wing. Therefore he is not right, he is left.

That's an interesting take. Unfortunately new Zealand has an aging population and we need to reproduce. Lefty snowflakes 'males' across new Zealand are transitioning into cats, women, they's and them's. We need strong kiwi males to reproduce and rebuild our reputation on the world stage.

This is just my opinion and please do not be offended. I'm also sorry for not asking what your pronouns are. All the best on your journey and if you need tampons or kitty litter please do not hesitate to private message me and ask for help. I am right leaning but I am not heartless and happy to help out all communities.

Thanks

[Laava]

Hey brother laava,

I'm not sure of your knowledge on American politics. I believe the comment that was made shows he is supportive of Biden. Biden is left wing. Therefore he is not right, he is left.

That's an interesting take. Unfortunately new Zealand has an aging population and we need to reproduce. Lefty snowflakes 'males' across new Zealand are transitioning into cats, women, they's and them's. We need strong kiwi males to reproduce and rebuild our reputation on the world stage.

This is just my opinion and please do not be offended. I'm also sorry for not asking what your pronouns are. All the best on your journey and if you need tampons or kitty litter please do not hesitate to private message me and ask for help. I am right leaning but I am not heartless and happy to help out all communities.

Thanks
Dude, you need to stop embarrassing yourself on here and go and ride your antique styles tricycle.
instead of trying to impress with your online alpha male pretence

[Kb2020dope]

Dude, you need to stop embarrassing yourself on here and go and ride your antique styles tricycle.
instead of trying to impress with your online alpha male pretence

I don't feel embarrassed... yes my main ride is a trike , I also have a 2016 Gsx. I often take the trike out as I can take my mate (who can no longer ride). I was brought up in a strong right leaning household. I was taught life is war and you never leave mates alone in the trenches of life. When my mate had a serious accident it was gods will that I had just comeback from touring route 66 and imported my trike back home.

Please let me know why I should be embarrassed.
It's not just online bud, but I will take your compliments.

Thanks, brother laava

[sugilite]

Ohh sorry brother sugilite, sounds like you've had a family member do something bad, wouldn't blame you bud. I understand

Brother, I would like to see you publish all of this into a book. My mate runs penguin books I'll put in a good word

Love your passion pal
Haha, brilliant! But for once not me! Though I prob lost ya after the first paragraph huh?
So now it is out and the parents have been identified as gun toten strong maga, the father rang the cops with his concerns on the day, and turns out the young guy was equal opportunity type and only went for trump before biden because his rally turned up for him first - do you still want the guys family to suffer?




Hey mate, couldnt of said it better myself. Wait till election day. We will look back at this, bud light in hand and have a good old chuckle.
Love it when you guys start talking red wave, magas have the best bedtime stories ;)

[Grumph]

Hey brother laava,

I'm not sure of your knowledge on American politics. I believe the comment that was made shows he is supportive of Biden. Biden is left wing. Therefore he is not right, he is left.



Thanks

Interesting. You've just exposed your lack of knowledge of politics generally. The US does not have a left. By world standards - and even by NZ standards - the Democrats are center right.
Look at the soulmates who holidayed together - Obama and Key.
What the US has is as I said a center right party - and a far right party. Which is going even further right.

I'm on a couple of US forums and being your average Kiwi center left Labour voter, I'm the closest to their version of a Communist they're ever going to talk to.

[Kb2020dope]

Haha, brilliant! But for once not me! Though I prob lost ya after the first paragraph huh?
So now it is out and the parents have been identified as gun toten strong maga, the father rang the cops with his concerns on the day, and turns out the young guy was equal opportunity type and only went for trump before biden because his rally turned up for him first - do you still want the guys family to suffer?


Love it when you guys start talking red wave, magas have the best bedtime stories ;)


Buddy, what I would like you to do moving forward is condense your point into an organised response. Thanks in advance.

Now, I did not know this and will look into this. The father sounds like a reasonable human. I would like send my condolences for his loss..BUT, I believe deep down he knows that the right thing was done. I will admit that he does not sound like a failure as a role model and father. He was just unlucky.

Please reply with your thoughts in an organised manner.

Thanks

[Dean]

With all due respect, below I’m going to show you how to effectively articulate a response without publishing a novel.


Interesting, I follow both sides propaganda "news"networks (Hilarious both sides think they are being shown the "truth"), during God faring trumps porked a pornstar while wifey at home with baby trial, and his team called one single witness. The judge ended up clearing the court and telling off the witness, who is a vastly experienced lawyer.

You follow both? Baseless statement, no evidence, “I follow both too” = moot point.

Judges clear courts and give warnings all the time. Emotions are high, tense environments. Has happened, will always happen.


The way the right wing media reported, they were totally shocked and had never seen anything like it, it was completely a disgraceful way for a witness to be treated! The little detail ALL right wing media missed reporting? The clown was shouting out things like "Strike That" when prosecutions lawyers said things he did not like. Now keep in mind that the witness is a vastly experienced lawyer - only Judges get to say "strike that". Not obstinate performative clowns bought in for the sole purpose of creating disruption to feed the right wing followers. And that is just one single point the right wing media "forgot to report" lol.

Was said lawyer given formal infractions due to said conduct? No, did the trial continue? Yes. Is this normal of a significant court proceeding? Yes.

Entirely subjective as to one’s interpretation of the proceedings and how it went.

I note no sources are provided supporting said right media articles.


Mate, with just a modicum of research outside the echo chambers that are the right and left wing propaganda networks, Gods truth can be found. If you want to be treated like a dummy too lazy to look about for some balanced reporting, that's fine, just don't expect a "atta boy" from others on the forum that have actually taken the time to actually do a little digging.

Too emotive and fluffy - I’ll rewrite that for you in one sentence:
“You should do your research, mate”.


Oh yes, definitely agreed, the DNC are very, very stupid.

I rest my case.

[Kb2020dope]

Interesting. You've just exposed your lack of knowledge of politics generally. The US does not have a left. By world standards - and even by NZ standards - the Democrats are center right.
Look at the soulmates who holidayed together - Obama and Key.
What the US has is as I said a center right party - and a far right party. Which is going even further right.

I'm on a couple of US forums and being your average Kiwi center left Labour voter, I'm the closest to their version of a Communist they're ever going to talk to.



Hi Grumph,

Do you seriously not believe the United States of America has a left option? I know Biden has one foot in the grave but if he lasts till election they can still vote for him.

The new zealand national party and Labour party are both centre. Labour is centre left and national is centre right.

Key and Obama are great mates. I have had friends in rival rugby teams, one of my great friends runs a rival company. It happens sometimes you can get a great connection with different views. Hey Grumph, if we play our cards right that could be us.

[sugilite]

Buddy, what I would like you to do moving forward is condense your point into an organised response. Thanks in advance.

Now, I did not know this and will look into this. The father sounds like a reasonable human. I would like send my condolences for his loss..BUT, I believe deep down he knows that the right thing was done. I will admit that he does not sound like a failure as a role model and father. He was just unlucky.

Yeah, because he is team maga, suddenly Dad sounds like a stand up guy and may even deserve condolences. And he does imo, I just don't judge people solely on their political leanings. Good and bad people on both sides eh.


With all due respect, below I’m going to show you how to effectively articulate a response without publishing a novel.
Or follow any of your own advice and give sources - but please do go on.



You follow both? Baseless statement, no evidence, “I follow both too” = moot point.
Would you like me to post a photo of me reading from both propaganda networks? Please do continue.


Judges clear courts and give warnings all the time. Emotions are high, tense environments. Has happened, will always happen.
So far so good, do go on sir.....


Was said lawyer given formal infractions due to said conduct? No, did the trial continue? Yes. Is this normal of a significant court proceeding? Yes.
Opps, a bit off base there sport, as I mentioned, and you seem to acknowledge, he is a lawyer, but where you fell down was he was there in there in capacity as a witness, so unlikely to be given a lawyerly infraction


Entirely subjective as to one’s interpretation of the proceedings and how it went. I note no sources are provided supporting said right media articles.
Ok, sources and words from the transcript. I've taken the liberty to post in a relevant paragraph as I know you struggle with inconveniently long prose. (Also known as facts, a rare thing in magaland eh Dean.)

"But the most tense moments happened with Costello on the witness stand. Merchan first sent the jury out of the courtroom to discuss proper decorum. He chided Costello for remarking “jeez” when he was cut off by a sustained objection and, at another point, “strike it.” Merchan told him: “I’m the only one that can strike testimony in the courtroom. Do you understand that?”
https://apnews.com/article/trump-trial-hush-money-michael-cohen-363a86879b97d2367831b1392f42689d

Here is a Fox news report on that same testomony, notice anything missing Dean?
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-manhattan-da-case-bob-costello-testifies-grand-jury-says-michael-cohen-serial-liar.amp


Too emotive and fluffy - I’ll rewrite that for you in one sentence:
“You should do your research, mate”.

Perhaps follow your own advice Dean? Because right now your looking like a textbook motomouthmaga with no substance and a propensity for shameless hypocrisy.

[Kb2020dope]

[QUOTE=sugilite;1131226883]Yeah, because he is team maga, suddenly Dad sounds like a stand up guy and may even deserve condolences. And he does imo, I just don't judge people solely on their political leanings. Good and bad people on both sides eh.


Hi, brother sugilite.

Yes this is correct. He has common sense. Congratulations on seeing the light and agreeing that he deserves condolences. Thankyou for taking my advice and getting your point across swiftly. I am proud of you and I'm happy to agree to disagree on the bigger issue.

I hope you are happy with this my buddy.

[sugilite]

Hi, brother sugilite.

Yes this is correct. He has common sense. Congratulations on seeing the light and agreeing that he deserves condolences. Thankyou for taking my advice and getting your point across swiftly. I am proud of you and I'm happy to agree to disagree on the bigger issue.

I hope you are happy with this my buddy.

Close, the point you are missing is I have been saying all along that the family does deserve condolences, as if course do his victims, and even trump and his family.
It would of been disaster if trump had gone that way. Now a self inflicted cheeseburger or 10 too far, I'd be struggling to find sympathy, I admit it.
Stay in the sunlight mate, it's warmer :sunny:

[Dean]

Or follow any of your own advice and give sources - but please do go on.

Firstly, appreciate you getting back to me.
I made statements, you responded in disagreement. The onus is on you to counter with evidence not me.


Would you like me to post a photo of me reading from both propaganda networks? Please do continue.

Not necessary, your ability to articulate logic and evidence in a succinct fashion would be proof. In this case, lack thereof. (Please take this constructively).


So far so good, do go on sir.....

I shall.


Opps, a bit off base there sport, as I mentioned, and you seem to acknowledge, he is a lawyer, but where you fell down was he was there in there in capacity as a witness, so unlikely to be given a lawyerly infraction

So he wasn’t given an infraction. Thanks!



Here is a Fox news report on that same testimony, notice anything missing Dean?

I note only one source, which can’t be reflective of all republicans, but I will give it a read.

[Kb2020dope]

Close, the point you are missing is I have been saying all along that the family does deserve condolences, as if course do his victims, and even trump and his family.
It would of been disaster if trump had gone that way. Now a self inflicted cheeseburger or 10 too far, I'd be struggling to find sympathy, I admit it.
Stay in the sunlight mate, it's warmer :sunny:

Well it is now clear that they are decent. It is clear you have common sense and I respect that. Buddy, I live in the sunlight and credit where credit is due thankyou for improving your responses. They are short, clear and to the point.

Thankyou

[sugilite]

I made statements, you responded in disagreement. The onus is on you to counter with evidence not me.
Seems a bit one sided mate, weak source?


So he wasn’t given an infraction. Thanks!
Um, nooo, this seems quite important to you?


I note only one source, which can’t be reflective of all republicans, but I will give it a read.
In case you missed it, I said both sides propaganda networks conventionality miss out reporting on facts. I'm not particularly, left or right. A lot of magas in particular really struggle with that for some reason, they so often battle me like I'm a lefty. If you took time to read what I say, I put the boot in both sides because near all my life I have had issues with "Authority" lording it over others.

Here is a right wing article that DID report on it.
https://www.breitbart.com/news/clear-the-court-judge-explodes-at-trump-witness-over-decorum/

I'll say it again, there is good people on both sides, unfortunately the ones at the top in power are mostly self serving scumbags. And Trump, he is the largest self serving scumbag of them all.

[Dean]

I'm not particularly, left or right. A lot of magas in particular really struggle with that for some reason, they so often battle me like I'm a lefty. If you took time to read what I say, I put the boot in both sides because near all my life I have had issues with "Authority" lording it over others.


You seem like a good sport Suglite, and I applaud you for compacting your responses in a succinct fashion.

We agree to disagree on a few things.

Overall, I am 100% certain Trump will be in office and I can assure you personally that my president will do what’s best for America and make America great again.

Dean

[Laava]

Lols! There are none so blind as those that will not see.

[sugilite]

America has always been and continues to be great. It is not to this point been defined by which clown show party and chief clown has been in charge. It is the spirit of its people that make it truly great. Trump has sown so much hate and division that the fine balance of the last few hundred years is under threat. He needs to be defeated and vanquished. Let's see if the people that need to put their egos aside and get the fuck out of the way to let that happen will do so. I pray for the American people that this comes to be. Down with the false orange idol and long live America the land of the free.

Sent from my CPH2499 using Tapatalk

[Dean]

Trump:
- Record tax cuts from 35% to 21% + temporary relief for individuals.
- Deregulation of industries which led to more jobs, more production & output +more GDP.
- Record low unemployment (before COVID).
- Record high stock market growth.
- Renegotiated NAFTA to USMCA which led to fairer trade terms for workers and industries.

Biden:
- “WE BEAT MEDICARE?!?”
- https://youtu.be/PVxVbGt8CbM?si=zZNajqk6lYbHdIIn

[Dean]

What makes it worse for the left?

You all rebuke the very person who represents YOU, Biden, who YOU nominated or supported. The best you had to offer!!!

How can you be so fractured and broken that in addition to rebuking Biden you don’t even want the VP Kamala Harris to run?

“Couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery” comes to mind.

Ask any republicans, we are united and loyal, Trump is our leader & our proposed VP is just as strong �� �� ��.

Perhaps that speaks volume of our character.

[pritch]

Interesting. You've just exposed your lack of knowledge of politics generally. The US does not have a left. By world standards - and even by NZ standards - the Democrats are center right.


Exactly. America has become skewed waaay right. Biden would be a fit in the National Party here. AOC is regarded as extreme left by Republicans but she would fit in to a centre left party in most countries. Many of her ideas, regarded as crackpot left in the US, are already law in most western countries.

America is a very backward place socially. The US minimum wage has been $7.25 per hour since 2009. In the richest nation on earth. Whoopee!
The US is the only country that doesn't have nationally mandated annual holidays. Many people have no sick leave or maternity leave.

There is poverty in the US beyond what can be found even in the poorest parts of Britain. And Britain is seeing the reappearance of nineteenth century deprivation diseases such as rickets and scurvy. Unlike Britain though we're not talking big cities in the US, we're talking rural whites. People who almost certainly vote Republican.

[sugilite]

Dean, why are you speaking to us like we are Americans?
No one here has anything to do with who Americans pick to represent them.
We are just here commenting on how insane it all is.
You speak as if New Zealand is the 51st state of America.
Very odd :eek5:

[Laava]

What makes it worse for the left?

You all rebuke the very person who represents YOU, Biden, who YOU nominated or supported. The best you had to offer!!!

How can you be so fractured and broken that in addition to rebuking Biden you don’t even want the VP Kamala Harris to run?

“Couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery” comes to mind.

Ask any republicans, we are united and loyal, Trump is our leader & our proposed VP is just as strong �� �� ��.

Perhaps that speaks volume of our character.
Lols, are you aware this is a kiwi forum?
Here is your idol in this article talking like a bad loser and using the kind of language that no fit leader would use. He is a complete fuckwit. Sorry brother don't take it personally, this is not about you. https://www.stuff.co.nz/world-news/350350038/trump-warns-slaughter-suburbs-first-us-rally-assassination-attempt
Just to try and help you understand, people who are opposed to the hateful vitriol that Trump spews are not automatically democrats. They just can see what you cannot, that Trump is not a nice man and not a fit leader. Remember, Hitler got voted in too.

[Berries]

MODS - Can we move this thread back to the Jokes and Humour section where it is meant to be?

[HenryDorsetCase]

What makes it worse for the left?

You all rebuke the very person who represents YOU, Biden, who YOU nominated or supported. The best you had to offer!!!

How can you be so fractured and broken that in addition to rebuking Biden you don’t even want the VP Kamala Harris to run?

“Couldn't organise a pissup in a brewery” comes to mind.

Ask any republicans, we are united and loyal, Trump is our leader & our proposed VP is just as strong �� �� ��.

Perhaps that speaks volume of our character.

"you"? I doubt any of us are entitled to vote in US elections. I certainly am not.

[Grumph]

"you"? I doubt any of us are entitled to vote in US elections. I certainly am not.

If he's gone that far down the Republican rabbithole, he will unquestioningly believe the last election was stolen by illegal aliens voting.
Therefore both you and I are to blame as potential illegal aliens.

I was amused when I saw that Biden would not sign the latest Republican bill banning aliens from voting. It's already on the books - and enforced.

The only purpose I can see for putting this bill through is to be able to point at Biden and scream "He wouldn't sign it !! - He's letting illegals vote !!"

And if he had signed "he's a confused old man and doesn't know what he's doing "

Meh, between the GOP, the Tories in the UK and our three headed taniwha of distrust I'm quite glad I'm too old to give a fuck. BTW can I propose Shane Jones as the gall bladder of the taniwha. Bitter, bilious and much better out.

[Laava]

If he's gone that far down the Republican rabbithole, he will unquestioningly believe the last election was stolen by illegal aliens voting.
Therefore both you and I are to blame as potential illegal aliens.

I was amused when I saw that Biden would not sign the latest Republican bill banning aliens from voting. It's already on the books - and enforced.

The only purpose I can see for putting this bill through is to be able to point at Biden and scream "He wouldn't sign it !! - He's letting illegals vote !!"

And if he had signed "he's a confused old man and doesn't know what he's doing "

Meh, between the GOP, the Tories in the UK and our three headed taniwha of distrust I'm quite glad I'm too old to give a fuck. BTW can I propose Shane Jones as the gall bladder of the taniwha. Bitter, bilious and much better out.
Haha, classic!
A few years ago, it used to be in the US that if you disagreed with the status Quo you were automatically, and loudly, proclaimed as a communist. They dont seem to do that so much now as brand you left or right.

[Berries]

BTW can I propose Shane Jones as the gall bladder of the taniwha. Bitter, bilious and much better out.
He has finally come out has he?

Good on him.





















And Trevor.

[Laava]

Nice to see that Biden has stepped down. His replacement is already a better choice than toxic Don.
whoever that is.

[Dean]

Good morning all,

Some clarification - when I meant “you” this resembles that all left voters, irrespective of being in the USA or NZ, supported Biden in some way or fashion to become president prior and/or current.

But I acknowledge your point of confusion.

With the news of Biden dropping out today - it is likely that Kamala will be in the hot seat.
But I don’t think Kamala will get the votes.

[Berries]

Some clarification - when I meant “you” this resembles that all left voters, irrespective of being in the USA or NZ, supported Biden in some way or fashion to become president prior and/or current.
Hope you aren't driving this morning.

[pete376403]

Now it gets interesting - Biden has dropped out of the race. All of thise who were calling for him to step aside have got what they asked for, wonder if they really considered what happens now?

[1/32 man]

His replacement is already a better choice than toxic Don.
You mean the one that said his IQ was higher then Bidens IQ?

The concept of mana comes to mind.....it has to be given to you. You cannot give it to yourself.

[pritch]

The only purpose I can see for putting this bill through is to be able to point at Biden and scream "He wouldn't sign it !! - He's letting illegals vote !!"



The Electric Jesus Elon has been pushing that barrow, raving on Xitter about the dastardly plan to allow millions of illegal immigrants to vote. It works though, simple minded shitheads believe it.

Joe has announced his departure. Gavin Newsome has been positioning himself to fill any vacancy that arose. He looks good, he sounds good, but there is one major landmine. The former Mrs Newsome is now Donald Trump Junior's fiancé. If there are any bodies she knows where they are buried.

[sugilite]

OK, Biden finally got around to making the right decision for his country. I'll give him props for that.

So Harris. As we all know she is about as popular as a stone in a shoe, which in the bizzare world of American democratic party leadership makes her their leading pick.
Assuming they are stupid enough to put her in, her biggest advantage is she has very little baggage as she did absolutely nothing while in office. If (and this is a big if) she comes out swinging and starts making a good impression, she is at least in with a chance of beating trump - but only that, just a chance.

Now as mentioned earlier, if they put smooth talking, good lookin silver fox Newsom in, then trumps home address will be #1 fucked street, fuckedsville.

Dean: you would likely be shocked how many right voting people here kick the shit out of trump. We meter our shit kickings out based on the merit of character, not if they wear a blue or a red tie.
There is a Biden thread here on kb, pop on over there and see if you can find any real support for him from any of us that comment here.

[pritch]

Haha, classic!
A few years ago, it used to be in the US that if you disagreed with the status Quo you were automatically, and loudly, proclaimed as a communist. They dont seem to do that so much now as brand you left or right.

Umm not quite. The Republicans hurl words like communist and paedophile around with abandon. The knuckle dragging sister shagging right believe Biden is a communist. The Trump sons and others have been shouting that for years. They know the definition of the word communism but their LCD followers don't.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Not so. The Republicans hurl words like communist and paedophile around with abandon. The knuckle dragging sister shagging right believe Biden is a communist. The Trump sons and others have been touting that for years. They know the definition of the word communist but their LCD followers don't.

As an actual communist I feel somewhat hurt. Well, more an anarcho-socialist really.

[Dean]

Guys,

What’s your absolute top 3 things against Trump? (Measurable please).

[Kb2020dope]

Gents,

This isn't just a political election.

This is good vs evil.
This is love vs hate.
This is Christ vs the Antichrist.
This is the battle for freedom.
This is the battle again the deep state.

This is the year Donald Trump returns to the white house and makes America great again!

[Kickaha]

This is the year Donald Trump returns to the white house and makes America great again!

If he couldn't do it last time, he won't do it this time

[wetanz]

... bidet hair-sniffer has been pushed out, all major donors deserted him, jillo has used the dirt they have collected over the decades to cut a deal

... kameltoe controls nearly $100 mi9llion dollars of unused campaign donations that the dnc will lose if they ditch her now ... edit ... black jesus wont endorse her, she doesnt have what it takes outside dei

... hildebeast will be nominated as vp candidate at dnc convention, and coming into the (s)election may well do a brutus on kameltoe

[Laava]

Gents,

This isn't just a political election.

This is good vs evil.
This is love vs hate.
This is Christ vs the Antichrist.
This is the battle for freedom.
This is the battle again the deep state.

This is the year Donald Trump returns to the white house and makes America great again!
So you want the anti christ in? :eek5: :brick:
i had you down as a destiny church kinda guy

[Kb2020dope]

If he couldn't do it last time, he won't do it this time

We shall wait and see

[Kb2020dope]

So you want the anti christ in? :eek5: :brick:
i had you down as a destiny church kinda guy

Incorrect, I don't want any Democrats in power.

Thanks mate

[wetanz]

... deep state cant afford to let the don regain the presidency, he now knows how to 'play the game' - they will attempt another assassination, if that fails they will start wwIII to try and embroil his presidency in war

... either way neither 'side' will accept the result ... chaos will ensue


... the game of musical chairs is coming to an end, the public is realising the needle is stuck

[pritch]

Guys,

What’s your absolute top 3 things against Trump? (Measurable please).

Trump is an adjudicated rapist.
Trump is a convicted fraudster. (Multiple times)
Trump was found guilty of election interference.

Bonus items:
Trump will likely also be found guilty of offences against the espionage act. (That didn't end well for the Rosenbergs.)
He told 30 lies during the presidential debate. That's number five but it's measurable.
His incompetence cost the US hundred of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
Oh, and he's a racist. He was prosecuted for that too. You can Google it.

[Laava]

Incorrect, I don't want any Democrats in power.

Thanks mate
You seem very confused. You view Trump as representing christ? Jesus christ!
He is one of the most unchristian people you could meet I would have thought. Not that I care which one of the gods he is pretending to have on his platform. Some people are gullible beyond belief. And Trump knows how to exploit for his own good, that is certainly something he is good at. Rat fuckin cunning. Not a good trait by the way.

[HenryDorsetCase]

Gents,

This isn't just a political election.

This is good vs evil.
This is love vs hate.
This is Christ vs the Antichrist.
This is the battle for freedom.
This is the battle again the deep state.

This is the year Donald Trump returns to the white house and makes America great again!

I'm team antichrist all the way.

Your panties must be in such a bunch now that a black woman will be leading the charge against the cheeto cheater. Your god emperor wears no clothes, son - ask American of the year, this year and every year, Stormy Daniels. mushroom head, yeti pubes, smaller than average. No wonder you can relate.

[Berries]

I'd tap it.

[Berries]

Much like Deano and KBdope are doing right now.




In his bedroom.





:tugger:

[F5 Dave]

Yeah I've put him on Ignore. Clearly the same person and just Trolling. Everything he writes is just for reaction as he taps at his phone twiddling with his winky; "ooh I'm winding someone up" "I must be important".

Just ignore. Click on profile. Add to ignore list (both profiles) and he goes away to his other forums. Bonus, his friendship request (ohh you stopped reacting to me) disappeared as well. :tugger:

[wetanz]

Dean, why are you speaking to us like we are Americans?
No one here has anything to do with who Americans pick to represent them.
We are just here commenting on how insane it all is.
You speak as if New Zealand is the 51st state of America.
Very odd :eek5:

when the ununited states sneeze the rest of the world catches cold ... unfortunately the un (who) has been positioning itself as global health czar and wants to be there to 'fix' the problem

[wetanz]

"you"? I doubt any of us are entitled to vote in US elections. I certainly am not.

... seems to me just about anyone can vote in us elections - alive or dead

[1/32 man]

Gents,

This isn't just a political election.

This is good vs evil.
This is love vs hate.
This is Christ vs the Antichrist.
This is the battle for freedom.
This is the battle again the deep state.

This is the year Donald Trump returns to the white house and makes America great again!

@Dope....you had me there until you said Donal will sort out the problems...now lets take the Covid epidemic for example? Did he sort that out in a bigly way or was it a total Covfefe?

[pritch]

... seems to me just about anyone can vote in us elections - alive or dead

Part of that is true at least; but the dead voters voted for Trump. Funny that.

[HenryDorsetCase]

... seems to me just about anyone can vote in us elections - alive or dead

bullshit. ...

[sugilite]

Part of that is true at least; but the dead voters voted for Trump. Funny that.

Irony is something magas think belongs in their morning grits.

[Kb2020dope]

[QUOTE=wetanz;1131226954]... deep state cant afford to let the don regain the presidency, he now knows how to 'play the game' - they will attempt another assassination, if that fails they will start wwIII to try and embroil his presidency in war

... either way neither 'side' will accept the result ... chaos will ensue



Hey mate,

100% agree. Good to see other people are willing to do their own research and form their own options on what is happening in the world. Most people are willing to watch the 6pm news and have their opinions formed for them.

[Kb2020dope]

You seem very confused. You view Trump as representing christ? Jesus christ!
He is one of the most unchristian people you could meet I would have thought. Not that I care which one of the gods he is pretending to have on his platform. Some people are gullible beyond belief. And Trump knows how to exploit for his own good, that is certainly something he is good at. Rat fuckin cunning. Not a good trait by the way.

I see Trump as the leader of the free world. You'll see him as that on election day, you will have to accept it. Who are you to call someone unchristian?

[Kb2020dope]

I'm team antichrist all the way.

Your panties must be in such a bunch now that a black woman will be leading the charge against the cheeto cheater. Your god emperor wears no clothes, son - ask American of the year, this year and every year, Stormy Daniels. mushroom head, yeti pubes, smaller than average. No wonder you can relate.

Hey bud,

Good luck with that.

I don't care who is running against Trump. They could be black, white, Hispanic, they/them, it, girl, cat or as my good friend laava likes to mention in every post rat.

I just doesn't matter. They will go down as the person the lost the 2024 election. They will be a small forgotten part of history.

Trump will win this election. You will have to wait, but you will see.

P.s Thanks for speaking your opinion.

[Kb2020dope]

@Dope....you had me there until you said Donal will sort out the problems...now lets take the Covid epidemic for example? Did he sort that out in a bigly way or was it a total Covfefe?

Hey Bud,

He did a great job at his first 4 years in office. The economic growth was unbelievable and tax cuts were grand! His response to a flu was great in my opinion.

Thanks

[Laava]

I see Trump as the leader of the free world. You'll see him as that on election day, you will have to accept it. Who are you to call someone unchristian?
You think the POTUS is leader of the free world:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Just because he may win the election doesnt mean he should be there.
Religious hypocrisy is very easy to spot. Is there a commandment that Donald hasn’t broken?

[HenryDorsetCase]

My favourite commandment is "The only law shall be do as thou wilt". Which is from Aleister Crowley I believe. He has the advantage of having actually existed, unlike other deities.

[sugilite]

Hey bud,

Good luck with that.

I don't care who is running against Trump. They could be black, white, Hispanic, they/them, it, girl, cat or as my good friend laava likes to mention in every post rat.

I just doesn't matter. They will go down as the person the lost the 2024 election. They will be a small forgotten part of history.

Trump will win this election. You will have to wait, but you will see.

P.s Thanks for speaking your opinion.

Will you accept the result if he loses?

[jim.cox]

Will you accept the result if he loses?

Trump never loses - it will be stolen (again)

[pritch]

His response to a flu was great in my opinion.


Which is a solid indication of what your opinion is worth. That earns you a short trip to the ignore function.

[Dean]

Trump is an adjudicated rapist.
Trump is a convicted fraudster. (Multiple times)
Trump was found guilty of election interference.

Bonus items:
Trump will likely also be found guilty of offences against the espionage act. (That didn't end well for the Rosenbergs.)
He told 30 lies during the presidential debate. That's number five but it's measurable.
His incompetence cost the US hundred of thousands of unnecessary deaths.
Oh, and he's a racist. He was prosecuted for that too. You can Google it.

I wasn’t aware that Trump was linked to the R word.

I am absolutely against that sick act more than anything else.
And any individual that commits it.

I am doing my homework on it so reluctant to comment.

[Kb2020dope]

You think the POTUS is leader of the free world:laugh::laugh::laugh:
Just because he may win the election doesnt mean he should be there.
Religious hypocrisy is very easy to spot. Is there a commandment that Donald hasn’t broken?

Donald Trump will rise again. He will win the election and he will make America great again. He will prevent world war 3. You are welcome

[Kb2020dope]

Will you accept the result if he loses?

100%

If that's what the people of America vote for who are we to judge?

[Kb2020dope]

Which is a solid indication of what your opinion is worth. That earns you a short trip to the ignore function.

I would like to apologise for hurting your feelings. Hope you are okay bud.

All the best

Cheers

[Laava]

Donald Trump will rise again. He will win the election and he will make America great again. He will prevent world war 3. You are welcome
Fuck me! i just realised that you are an AI troll. Welcome to my ignore list.

[Kb2020dope]

Fuck me! i just realised that you are an AI troll. Welcome to my ignore list.

I'll take the Ai as a compliment. The intelligence isn't artificial, its just good old common sense and not listening to mainstream media.

Now the troll part I'll take offence to. If you can't handle someone having an opposing opinion to you then this forum may not be suitable to you.

You can put your big boy pants on or ride off into the sunset on your little 250cc

[sugilite]

100%

If that's what the people of America vote for who are we to judge?

Excellent, may the most worthy candidate win.
Harris broke records for the most small donations ever given in a 24 hour period by quite some margin, so both bases are certainly fired up. Interesting times ahead.

[Kb2020dope]

Excellent, may the most worthy candidate win.
Harris broke records for the most small donations ever given in a 24 hour period by quite some margin, so both bases are certainly fired up. Interesting times ahead.

100% agree!
Yes, she has done that and she is adding much needed spark to the Democrats. It's going to be a tight race, may the best person win. All we can do is sit back and watch the show!

[HenryDorsetCase]

Excellent, may the most worthy candidate win.
Harris broke records for the most small donations ever given in a 24 hour period by quite some margin, so both bases are certainly fired up. Interesting times ahead.

I see the vile attack ads are being rolled out as well. The maggots are terrified. Well they're terrified of women generally - hence their attempts to control them and their reproductive functions. But a woman of colour who won't put up with that bullshit? Bring it on.

I watched a bit of the head of the secret service being char grilled by the House committee today. What was really obvious was the grandstanding by the people asking the questions. They were using her as a prop in their own agendas. It was performative in the extreme. Still, it does appear as if her organisation screwed up and that's why she gets the big bucks - to sit in the hot seat and move uncomfortably from arse cheek to arse cheek.

And I certainly don't condone political violence. That goes for the guy that took pot shots at the cheeto cheater, and it applies equally to his attempted insurrection (mk 1- I am absolutely certain there will be a mk 2).

What's that curse about interesting times?

[Grumph]

I'll take the Ai as a compliment. The intelligence isn't artificial, its just good old common sense and not listening to mainstream media.

Now the troll part I'll take offence to. If you can't handle someone having an opposing opinion to you then this forum may not be suitable to you.

You can put your big boy pants on or ride off into the sunset on your little 250cc

ROFL - Laava currently around 4244 posts. Kb2020dope mid 40's.

Someone's certainly on the wrong forum.

[pete376403]

Thia ia a trump speech from 2016 and somehow peple claim Biden was confused? What is trump going to be like now, 8 years later?

"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it's true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that's why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are — nuclear is so powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right, who would have thought? — but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it's four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us, this is horrible."

Would kb2020dope consider this the thought processes of a rational person?

[pritch]

I watched a bit of the head of the secret service being char grilled by the House committee today. What was really obvious was the grandstanding by the people asking the questions. They were using her as a prop in their own agendas. It was performative in the extreme. Still, it does appear as if her organisation screwed up and that's why she gets the big bucks - to sit in the hot seat and move uncomfortably from arse cheek to arse cheek.


Having watched lots of clips of Congressional hearings I can confirm that's par for the course. It's about giving the politicians a sound bite for Fox or whoever.

The Secret Service like to promote themselves as some sort of elite but they have an ongoing history of scandals. I did note that it seems they have somewhat recently had to include women in the details and when the detail surrounded Trump his head and shoulders were still exposed because the women lacked the height to conceal him. Ooops! Also one of the women was shown struggling to holster her pistol. Hardly confidence inspiring. In the latest video of Trump on the move there is just the one female and she is trailing along behind - well out of the way.

Why the SS snipers didn't engage the shooter in the two minutes that passed after they were first warned remains a mystery. That could have / should have been made public. Having watched the head of the SS in Congress today though I won't hold my breath.

[Kb2020dope]

ROFL - Laava currently around 4244 posts. Kb2020dope mid 40's.

Someone's certainly on the wrong forum.

Great point! He's a bit like Biden, cant handle it anymore. Time to retire

[pritch]

Listening to a podcast tonight and learned that Trump is now the oldest candidate ever to run for US president. He's already older than Reagan was when he departed the office with Alzheimer's. Trump is widely believed to be cognitively impaired and he was a "fucking moron"* to start with. He couldn't even stay awake for his own criminal trial.


*As described by Trump's first Secretary of State, one of "the best people".

[jellywrestler]

Listening to a podcast tonight and learned that Trump is now the oldest candidate ever to run for US president. He's already older than Reagan was when he departed the office with Alzheimer's. Trump is widely believed to be cognitively impaired and he was a "fucking moron"* to start with. He couldn't even stay awake for his own criminal trial.


*As described by Trump's first Secretary of State, one of "the best people".

isn't Biden 81 and Trump 78?

[pete376403]

isn't Biden 81 and Trump 78?

True, but Biden is no longer a candidate, so all the republicans advertisments and talking points about the candidates age now point dirctly back at trump

[pritch]

isn't Biden 81 and Trump 78?

Yes but Biden had not been officially nominated, the election is to take place at the Democrat's National Conference which is still a month or so away. Similarly Kamala Harris, or whoever, will not be the official nominee until elected by the delegates at the conference.

Therefore Trump is the oldest candidate ever as he was elected Republican nominee last weekend.

Senator Joe Manchin announced that he was running for the nomination but it seems he forgot he had resigned from the Democrat Party. Hopefully he was given the customary advice regarding sex and travel.

[jellywrestler]

Yes but Biden had not been officially nominated, the election is to take place at the Democrat's National Conference which is still a month or so away. Similarly Kamala Harris, or whoever, will not be the official nominee until elected by the delegates at the conference.

Therefore Trump is the oldest candidate ever as he was elected Republican nominee last weekend.

Senator Joe Manchin announced that he was running for the nomination but it seems he forgot he had resigned from the Democrat Party. Hopefully he was given the customary advice regarding sex and travel.

didn't realise he hadn't been nominated

[HenryDorsetCase]

Here's a Republican I respect: Jim Mattis

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-3XSz_fjI&t=15s

Not that maggots have the attention span to watch it - its 12 minutes long. Much less read the book.

[Laava]

isn't Biden 81 and Trump 78?
Either of them would have been the oldest president ever elected this year. And Biden was in 2016 when he beat Trump fair and square to the post.