Stupid World [Archive] - Page 10

husaberg

4th April 2014, 17:26

The question is then posed ..
Do you know why and could it happen again

Stephen

Oh and where was donkey in all of this . . . The magical fee weeks he cant remember

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He can still answer but (from while recollection the devaluation was done with Haste by muldoon after a threat to toss him out it was in the cartaker stage after the Nats lost the election but before Labour was sworn in.

1979-early 1980s

In June 1979 a “crawling peg” approach to exchange rate determination was established. Under this
system the New Zealand dollar was adjusted by small amounts (sometimes on a daily basis), with the aim
of offsetting inflation rate differentials between New Zealand and its main trading partners.
This caused a depreciation of New Zealand of around six percent per year between 1979 and the early
1980s.42 Between 1979 and 1983 the nominal exchange rate fell 23 percent, although it is important to
note that the presence of high inflation meant the real exchange rate was hardly affected.
In June 1982 the then-Government imposed a wage and price freeze, which pegged New Zealand’s dollar
on a trade-weighted basis. By the second half of 1984 (after a snap election had been called) a foreign
exchange crisis was created since demand for foreign exchange exceeded supply as exporters and
importers predicted the Government would be forced to substantially devalue the dollar.43 The Reserve
Bank had to try and meet the excess demand by drawing down its foreign exchange reserves, resulting in
the crisis. The exchange rate was devalued by 20 percent in July 1984 immediately following the election
and the formation of a new government.
1985

The New Zealand dollar was fully floated in March 1985 and since then the Reserve Bank has not directly
intervened in the foreign exchange markets.
Box 1: Reserve Bank intervention in the currency markets
Although the Reserve Bank of New Zealand (RBNZ) has not directly intervened in the currency markets
since the New Zealand dollar was floated in March 1985, it retains the right to do so. Section 16 of the
Reserve Bank Act 1989 gives the Bank the power to intervene in the event of a “severe market breakdown or
extreme market stress.”8
The RBNZ has given an example of disorderly conditions as:
“market paralysis that might arise after a major political or financial crisis or a natural disaster.”9

Under the Act, the Finance Minister can instruct the Bank to intervene in markets to influence the rate, or
even to fix it. The instruction must be in writing, given under the authority of an Order-in-Council, and be
notified in the Gazette. However, the Reserve Bank has noted that these provisions were originally included
in the Act when the floatation of the dollar had not been operating for long, and that such intervention could
compromise the Bank’s ability to pursue its sole objective of monetary policy: maintaining price stability.10

Consequently, if the Bank Governor were to believe a directive to intervene in the currency markets was
inconsistent with the price stability objective, he/she is able to not comply with the directive until the Finance
Minister has formally invoked an override of the price stability objective under section 12 of the Act.11

This existing intervention policy is under review. The Reserve Bank announced on 11 March 2004 that it had
provided advice to the Minister of Finance seeking greater capacity for the Bank to intervene in currency
markets as part of its available monetary policy implementation tools.12 The Bank has recommended to the
Minister that it have the capacity to intervene in the currency markets in situations other than when the
markets have become disorderly. For example, the Reserve Bank (as of 11 March 2004) believes the New
Zealand dollar is “exceptionally and unjustifiably high” and, consequently, that it should be able to use New
Zealand dollars to buy foreign exchange in a bid to put downward pressure on the exchange rate
http://www.parliament.nz/resource/0000000193

Oscar

4th April 2014, 18:04

Brian d marge

4th April 2014, 18:07

I was there.
Do yer own fuckin' research.

And ya still dont know? damn

put you and donkey in the same boat , magical 2 few week that "SLIPPED my mind "

Stephen

Brian d marge

4th April 2014, 18:15

Snip; from thew above

By the second half of 1984 (after a snap election had been called) a foreign
exchange crisis was created since demand for foreign exchange exceeded supply as exporters and
importers predicted the Government would be forced to substantially devalue the dollar.43 The Reserve
Bank had to try and meet the excess demand by drawing down its foreign exchange reserves, resulting in
the crisis. The exchange rate was devalued by 20 percent in July 1984 immediately following the election
and the formation of a new government.
1985

That would be Mr Andy Krieger ( sp) and Donkey at work,but d'nkey cant remember ! One of the greatest attacks on the NZ dollar and you are, even in the same building ! and you cant remember ..... wheres my Tui

So The thieving baskets stole 20% of me wealth. Right that’s on me list ( the TV is getting cheaper as we speak!)

Stephen

husaberg

4th April 2014, 18:29

mashman

4th April 2014, 18:35

I wish i could find the video i guess its gone now.........

Only posted because of 20 - 25 seconds...other than that, snoozeville.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubub3p8E4FQ

unstuck

5th April 2014, 07:53

mashman

5th April 2014, 08:51

WOODY

ЭVΦlution...he must be Pleiadian.

avgas

5th April 2014, 08:55

Only posted because of 20 - 25 seconds...other than that, snoozeville.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubub3p8E4FQ
Oh come on man - its the future lol
http://www.3news.co.nz/Whizz-kid-John-Key-in-1987---video/tabid/423/articleID/173895/Default.aspx

husaberg

5th April 2014, 09:24

Oh come on man - its the future lol
http://www.3news.co.nz/Whizz-kid-John-Key-in-1987---video/tabid/423/articleID/173895/Default.aspx

Pretty sure at about 3.33 the guy says you need to be a shapeshifting alien to be a ForEx trader:rolleyes:

mashman

5th April 2014, 09:50

Pretty sure at about 3.33 the guy says you need to be a shapeshifting alien to be a ForEx trader:rolleyes:

3:33 you say :shifty:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozUlnAswuqU

blue rider

7th April 2014, 18:44

Austerity is obviously working in Spain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWTnN0EEUhI#t=119

mashman

7th April 2014, 19:08

Austerity is obviously working in Spain.

Belgium too. (http://www.euractiv.com/sections/social-europe-jobs/pitched-battles-flare-brussels-austerity-protest-301375)
Verona are seeking independence (http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2014/04/07/357482/italian-protesters-hold-demo-in-verona/), whilst Catalonia are looking at being told no by to independence by the Spanish Parliament. (http://www.thelocal.es/20140406/spain-lawmakers-face-down-catalonia-independence-bid)...

The downside is that independence isn't going to change what's going on in that region for a myriad of reasons. I guess they have to go through the motions first.

jonbuoy

8th April 2014, 07:35

Austerity is obviously working in Spain.

Yes it is working they don't need the same level of bailout as Greece or Ireland, lot of people still suffering but less than if they had taken a bigger bailout.

They have had a lot of good schemes. One excellent one - if you get made redundant/unemployed and you can come up with a buisiness plan to go self employed or start your own business the government will pay you your two years dole "up front" in one lump to help get you going.

blue rider

8th April 2014, 10:49

we should legalise slavery, it would be an awesome business model

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-04-06/news/48908511_1_bpo-industry-bpo-companies-attrition-rate

Ocean1

8th April 2014, 14:39

we should legalise slavery, it would be an awesome business model

http://articles.economictimes.indiatimes.com/2014-04-06/news/48908511_1_bpo-industry-bpo-companies-attrition-rate

Actually it'd be shit. For the same reason India is losing its trade, lack of a trained and willing workforce.

But don't let your complete ignorance of business best practice stop you whining about it.

mashman

8th April 2014, 14:41

business best practice

:killingme :crybaby: :killingme

SPman

8th April 2014, 16:39

Speaking of best practice......

Does borrowing fifty billion dollars over the last six years mean the Nats are bad with money? I don’t think so. We had an external shock in 2008 (the GFC) and then a massive earthquake, both of which had a huge negative impact on our economy. Interest rates for the government to borrow on the international markets were super-low during this time, so borrowing money was actually a really smart thing to do. We probably should have borrowed more and invested it in infrastructure instead of selling our energy companies and frittering money away on National’s tax switch, which cost billions and totally failed to stimulate the economy.

And I suspect Russel Norman would agree with that. What Russel is responding to here is the massive gap between National’s economic rhetoric and the stuff it actually quietly does. Yes, John Key and his Finance Minister Bill English have borrowed $50 billion dollars from overseas investors over the last six years. But John Key and Finance Minister Bill English have also spent the last six years roaring with horror at the economic plans of Labour and the Greens who want to BORROW MONEY from OVERSEAS INVESTORS! That’s why asset sales are so important, according to English – it’s the prudent, sensible alternative to BORROWING MONEY from OVERSEAS INVESTORS which will wreck the economy, except for the $50 billion he borrowed which was FISCAL and PRUDENT.

Likewise government spending. Interest rates went up recently and the Governor of the RBNZ has forecast more rises over the next two years, so we’ve heard some very stern warnings from English and Key about how the policies of Labour and the Greens will CAUSE INTEREST RATES TO GO UP! We’ve also heard a lot of dire warnings from Bill English about GOVERNMENT SPENDING. So here, via Treasury, is English’s record of government spending over his tenure as Finance Minister:

Again, having the government spend money during an economic down-turn and period of national crisis is a good thing to do. You just don’t get to do it while simultaneously thundering about how the opposition parties want to spend money, which will destroy the economy. Or rather, National does for some reason.

The point I’m trying to make here is that almost every statement Key and the Finance Minister make about the economy is nonsense, pure disinformation dipped in hypocrisy, sprayed with drivel and then airbrushed dry with horrible fucking lies. That’s not part of the conventional wisdom though, especially among political commentators who all have Bill English as a straight-talking dour, fiscal, prudent conservative instead of a big-spending, big-borrowing outrageously dishonest hypocrite who vomits out floods of obvious lies every time he opens his mouth.

It’s a big problem for the opposition. In macro terms National has done pretty-much what Labour and the Greens would have done – with some obvious exceptions like the tax cuts – but pretended that they’ve done the opposite, and warned the country that Labour and the Greens are going to introduce fiscal policies which are basically identical to National’s but which National warns will destroy the economy. It’s all such a gigantic, egregious yet successful lie that countering it is all but impossible.

mashman

8th April 2014, 17:28

Speaking of best practice......

They also campaigned against labour borrowing $20 billion if memory serves.

Does anyone know what replaced the E3 New Zealand Overseas Debt figures? I've heard tell we're up to $70 billion, but the RBNZ E3 data was discontinued in June 2013

Ocean1

8th April 2014, 18:50

:killingme :crybaby: :killingme

Oh look: the single most ignorant person in the country on matters commercial or business.

Let's listen closely to what he has to dribble....

Speaking of best practice......

And you're proposing that governments, who's very survival depends on spending other people's money largely without constraint are some sort of model for business, who's existence relies on spending less than they earn?

Wild stab in the dark, here, but you're not closely involved in any sort of business, are you?

mashman

8th April 2014, 19:08

Oh look: the single most ignorant person in the country on matters commercial or business.

Let's listen closely to what he has to dribble....

Wild stab in the dark, here, but you're not closely involved in any sort of business, are you?

:killingme :crybaby: :killingme oh ironing.

blue rider

19th April 2014, 18:12

interesting read

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2014/04/17/12-reasons-why-new-zealands-economic-bubble-will-end-in-disaster/

7) Finance, not agriculture, is New Zealand’s largest industry

Though New Zealand is commonly thought to be an agriculture-based economy, this couldn’t be further from the truth. Agriculture accounts for only 5.1 percent of New Zealand’s GDP, while the finance, insurance and business services sector is the country’s largest sector, contributing 28.8 percent to the GDP. Furthermore, banks account for 80 percent of the total assets of New Zealand’s financial system. Not only is New Zealand’s banking system dangerously exposed to the country’s property and credit bubble, but so is the entire economy.

11) Government overseas debt has nearly tripled since 2008

New Zealand’s government took advantage of the plunging yields on its bonds (which is courtesy of the global QE and ZIRP-driven bond bubble) after the Global Financial Crisis to nearly triple its overseas borrowing:

what eva .....

jonbuoy

19th April 2014, 18:46

China's biggest trading partner for exports is Europe/USA. NZ/AU biggest export partner is China Because of the debt crisis USA and Europe have slowed on buying from China. China is heading for a credit crunch as it expanded and borrowed massively off the back of huge exports to EU/USA. The GFC Is just heading to a second stage.

Brian d marge

19th April 2014, 19:44

interesting read

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2014/04/17/12-reasons-why-new-zealands-economic-bubble-will-end-in-disaster/

what eva .....

:killingme :crybaby: :killingme oh ironing.

Oh look: the single most ignorant person in the country on matters commercial or business.

Let's listen closely to what he has to dribble....

And you're proposing that governments, who's very survival depends on spending other people's money largely without constraint are some sort of model for business, who's existence relies on spending less than they earn?

Wild stab in the dark, here, but you're not closely involved in any sort of business, are you?

Says you
You whohave zero grasp on finance and the economy

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Akzle

20th April 2014, 20:34

interesting read

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jessecolombo/2014/04/17/12-reasons-why-new-zealands-economic-bubble-will-end-in-disaster/

what eva .....

doncha know, y' have to borrow... Cos its good for... jews.

blue rider

28th April 2014, 08:04

unhappy chinese striking en masse

http://wire.novaramedia.com/2014/04/5-reasons-the-strike-in-china-is-terrifying-to-transnational-capitalism/

blahblahblah

Ocean1

28th April 2014, 18:12

unhappy chinese striking en masse

http://wire.novaramedia.com/2014/04/5-reasons-the-strike-in-china-is-terrifying-to-transnational-capitalism/

blahblahblah

And the socialist media is just onto that now? The anti-clockwise spin minimises any credibility the report might otherwise have, the issue deserved more rational treatment.

I reckon it's been a long time coming, how long did Nike et al expect to buy in the third world, add two zeros and sell in the first world? Fuck 'em, and fuck anyone that buys their shit.

Wonder if the first world will be able to re-boot their own manufacturing sector. Wonder what labour rates will be in the first world when we finally do.

It's a good time to be an industrial automation engineer...

mashman

30th April 2014, 11:17

Meanwhile in the real world (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/23073562/outrage-grows-two-weeks-after-nigeria-schoolgirls-kidnapped/)... Where are the US or the UK or NZ or Oz or China or Russia or French or Germans or NATO etc...? Stupid fucked up people running this planet :facepalm:. A plane crashes and the world goes into a spasm so where's the world police now eh?

Ocean1

30th April 2014, 11:33

Where are the US or the UK or NZ or Oz or China or Russia or French or Germans or NATO etc...? Stupid fucked up people running this planet :facepalm:. A plane crashes and the world goes into a spasm so where's the world police now eh?

They're all managing the civilised world. Y'know, the bit you reckon needs radical change.

They're specifically not responsible for whatever barbarism occurs in places where xenophobia rules: "Boko Haram's name translates as "Western education is forbidden"

But by all means you toddle off there and sort it out, eh. Maybe you could sell them some hydrogen powered Lawnmowers.

mashman

30th April 2014, 14:04

They're all managing the civilised world. Y'know, the bit you reckon needs radical change.

They're specifically not responsible for whatever barbarism occurs in places where xenophobia rules: "Boko Haram's name translates as "Western education is forbidden"

But by all means you toddle off there and sort it out, eh. Maybe you could sell them some hydrogen powered Lawnmowers.

There ain't no civilised world where 200+ kids can be kidnapped and sold. Note the word sold. Something you back with your myopic mercuntilist views. They are doing nothing with their armies and they are always poking their noses into situations where barbarism and xenophobia are rife, yet they call that humanitarian intervention... so why not in this case? Is it because you share the same dicktionary as they, along with your view of that part of the world by describing them as savage. Here's hoping that such a thing never happens to anyone you know.

:yawn: you don't have what it takes... I thought you would have realised that by now?

unstuck

30th April 2014, 15:33

bogan

30th April 2014, 15:48

There ain't no civilised world where 200+ kids can be kidnapped and sold. Note the word sold. Something you back with your myopic mercuntilist views. They are doing nothing with their armies and they are always poking their noses into situations where barbarism and xenophobia are rife, yet they call that humanitarian intervention... so why not in this case? Is it because you share the same dicktionary as they, along with your view of that part of the world by describing them as savage. Here's hoping that such a thing never happens to anyone you know.

:yawn: you don't have what it takes... I thought you would have realised that by now?

Exactly, they aren't sold in the civilised world. That money is used in both worlds should be a clue that it is not the root cause of child slavery. It is an abhorrent practice that the civilised world would not stand for. However, calls for intervention must be handled delicately so the situation is not made any worse.

mashman

30th April 2014, 15:51

Exactly, they aren't sold in the civilised world. That money is used in both worlds should be a clue that it is not the root cause of child slavery. It is an abhorrent practice that the civilised world would not stand for. However, calls for intervention must be handled delicately so the situation is not made any worse.

Both worlds? There's only 1 world. There are many special forces. They only need drones after that. Delicately? Because what? A jihad might start :facepalm: There is no civilised world, just a bunch of stupid savages who claim that they are civilised. Where does it stop then? 1000? 10,000? 1,000,000? fuckin pathetic.

bogan

30th April 2014, 15:56

Both worlds? There's only 1 world. There are many special forces. They only need drones after that. Delicately? Because what? A jihad might start :facepalm: There is no civilised world, just a bunch of stupid savages who claim that they are civilised. Where does it stop then? 1000? 10,000? 1,000,000? fuckin pathetic.

1st world, 3rd world etc is what we're referring to; the quality of life and liberty are worlds apart between us.

Delicate tactics if you don't want to kill the children you are trying to save.
Delicate strategy to prevent it being repeated as a false 'flag' attack to draw swift foreign retribution down upon your foes.

Scuba_Steve

30th April 2014, 15:57

mashman

30th April 2014, 16:05

1st world, 3rd world etc is what we're referring to; the quality of life and liberty are worlds apart between us.

Delicate tactics if you don't want to kill the children you are trying to save.
Delicate strategy to prevent it being repeated as a false 'flag' attack to draw swift foreign retribution down upon your foes.

They don't exist. That you believe that they do proliferates such atrocities from happening. Your choice though.

Did you not read that they had been sold on already? For money. No point in kidnapping them if there's no profit in it is there?
Fuck 'em. Wipe them from the face of the planet and save tens of thousands more.

bogan

30th April 2014, 16:15

They don't exist. That you believe that they do proliferates such atrocities from happening. Your choice though.

Did you not read that they had been sold on already? For money. No point in kidnapping them if there's no profit in it is there?
Fuck 'em. Wipe them from the face of the planet and save tens of thousands more.

I'd have to respectfully disagree, there is indeed a massive gulf in standards of living and liberty between some nations. Enough for me to consider them worlds apart anyway.

So, who are spec ops going in to save then?
So, peace through killing the innocent just to be safe? how could that go wrong :facepalm:

Ocean1

30th April 2014, 16:19

There ain't no civilised world where 200+ kids can be kidnapped and sold.

I just said that.

Something you back with your myopic mercuntilist views.

No, actually I back civilisation. That situation is a taste of what happens when you fuck with what works. Hint: a fuckwitted non-economy based on wizard-generated hydrogen doesn't work.

Here's hoping that such a thing never happens to anyone you know.

I do. I also do something more tangible about it: I defend anyone's right to earn whatever they want. And the chances of that happening to anyone I know is a fucking sight slimmer than it is there as a direct result of that.

:yawn: you don't have what it takes... I thought you would have realised that by now?

But I do. You can tell, I've got pretty much everything I want.

What've you got dude? An endless stream of criticism is about it.

mashman

30th April 2014, 16:20

I'd have to respectfully disagree, there is indeed a massive gulf in standards of living and liberty between some nations. Enough for me to consider them worlds apart anyway.

So, who are spec ops going in to save then?
So, peace through killing the innocent just to be safe? how could that go wrong :facepalm:

That doesn't make the individuals less civilised, only the structures of the surrounding society.

They're going to save the next lot from being kidnapped.
What innocent? They kidnapped children and sold them... they have forfeit their right to existence. Why didn't they leave Bin Laden alone then? Or Hussein?

mashman

30th April 2014, 16:23

I just said that.

No, actually I back civilisation. That situation is a taste of what happens when you fuck with what works. Hint: a fuckwitted non-economy based on wizard-generated hydrogen doesn't work.

I do. I also do sonething more tangible about it: I defend anyone's right to earn whatever they want. And the chances of that happening to anyone I know is a fucking sight slimmer than it is there as a direct result of that.

But I do. You can tell, I've got pretty much everything I want.

What've you got dude? An endless stream of criticism is about it.

Literally, fuck off.

:yawn:

:killingme

:yawn:

A conscience.

bogan

30th April 2014, 16:29

That doesn't make the individuals less civilised, only the structures of the surrounding society.

They're going to save the next lot from being kidnapped.
What innocent? They kidnapped children and sold them... they have forfeit their right to existence. Why didn't they leave Bin Laden alone then? Or Hussein?

It makes the country less civilised. Either way, both societies have money, one is less civilised; therefore, money is not strongly correlated.

Why not ask who they sold em to and save the current lot? Seems a more tactically sound plan of attack than just shoot em all.
How good is the intelligence, who did the actual kidnapping, who was just a slave wife in the wrong place and got drone striked? How many innocents were killed in the fight against Bin Laden and Hussein? Strategy is important to be sure the cure is not worse than the disease.

mashman

30th April 2014, 17:08

It makes the country less civilised. Either way, both societies have money, one is less civilised; therefore, money is not strongly correlated.

Why not ask who they sold em to and save the current lot? Seems a more tactically sound plan of attack than just shoot em all.
How good is the intelligence, who did the actual kidnapping, who was just a slave wife in the wrong place and got drone striked? How many innocents were killed in the fight against Bin Laden and Hussein? Strategy is important to be sure the cure is not worse than the disease.

Who gives a shit about the country, the people are more important and often migrate to "civilised" country's and fit in fine. Sounds like a bullshit excuse to label a bunch of people savages to me. If you can't afford that which you class as allowing a civilisation to be "civilised", then there most certainly is a correlation and not an indirect one either.

Sure, but that still requires someone to go and get them. TPTB have technology that can scan areas looking for insurgent camps. Use it! You reckon they're gonna hold records on the kids they've sold and who too? If they're that hard core, then I wouldn't hold much hope for them telling anyone anything, by all means ask, if there is no answer put a bullet in their forehead.
None of that has stopped the US from blowing things to pieces before. As we know only tolerance is the cure, which leads me back to how many should be kidnapped before there is any form of intervention. Christ if it had have been journalists or heads of state they would have obliterated the entire country. What makes them so much more important?

bogan

30th April 2014, 17:15

Who gives a shit about the country, the people are more important and often migrate to "civilised" country's and fit in fine. Sounds like a bullshit excuse to label a bunch of people savages to me. If you can't afford that which you class as allowing a civilisation to be "civilised", then there most certainly is a correlation and not an indirect one either.

Sure, but that still requires someone to go and get them. TPTB have technology that can scan areas looking for insurgent camps. Use it! You reckon they're gonna hold records on the kids they've sold and who too? If they're that hard core, then I wouldn't hold much hope for them telling anyone anything, by all means ask, if there is no answer put a bullet in their forehead.
None of that has stopped the US from blowing things to pieces before. As we know only tolerance is the cure, which leads me back to how many should be kidnapped before there is any form of intervention. Christ if it had have been journalists or heads of state they would have obliterated the entire country. What makes them so much more important?

Where have I labeled them savages? I mean you're the one wanting to drone strike them, not me :scratch:

Exactly, now you're showing why false flag ops are a worry. All an oppressive regime needs to do is kidnap some kids near some insurgents and blame them; then mashie's good ol boys will come over and put down the uprising, oppressions to order, good plan you thunderous shitlord.

mashman

30th April 2014, 17:28

Where have I labeled them savages?

Savage fits the definition of uncivilised, therefore if they're not "civilised" as you claim blah blah blah.

I mean you're the one wanting to drone strike them, not me :scratch:

Exactly, now you're showing why false flag ops are a worry. All an oppressive regime needs to do is kidnap some kids near some insurgents and blame them; then mashie's good ol boys will come over and put down the uprising, oppressions to order, good plan you thunderous shitlord.

From a few posts ago

There are many special forces. They only need drones after that.

:yawn:... keep up.

bogan

30th April 2014, 17:30

Savage fits the definition of uncivilised, therefore if they're not "civilised" as you claim blah blah blah.

From a few posts ago

:yawn:... keep up.

Neither did I say the people were inherently uncivilised, we're all a product of our surroundings.

Drones or spec ops, taking out rebels cause they were set up with a false flag op is not a good plan.

mashman

30th April 2014, 17:36

Neither did I say the people were inherently uncivilised, we're all a product of our surroundings.

Drones or spec ops, taking out rebels cause they were set up with a false flag op is not a good plan.

You're one of the last people I would have thought would have resorted to such cowardly bullshit. We are what we choose to be.

Hence sending in special ops to scout first :weird:

bogan

30th April 2014, 17:46

You're one of the last people I would have thought would have resorted to such cowardly bullshit. We are what we choose to be.

Hence sending in special ops to scout first :weird:

And those choices are limited by the world we grow up in. It is not cowardly bullshit, just the way I see life evolving.

What, and just ask them nicely if they did the kidnapping for realsies?

mashman

30th April 2014, 18:03

And those choices are limited by the world we grow up in. It is not cowardly bullshit, just the way I see life evolving.

What, and just ask them nicely if they did the kidnapping for realsies?

Bullshit... we'd still be in caves if that were true.

We've done that... and surely the story of 200+ parents is easy to check out?

bogan

30th April 2014, 18:12

Bullshit... we'd still be in caves if that were true.

We've done that... and surely the story of 200+ parents is easy to check out?

We'd still be in cave if evolution was true? you sir, I think fail to grasp the concept of evolution :laugh:

Do you also not understand the concept of a false flag operation? The atrocity happens, it is just pinned on another group. You go in all guns blazing and destroy any evidence and you just kill the innocent and encourage future atrocities. Obviously in this particular case it is unlikely to be a false flag op, but the reason for that is because it is also unlikely the 'world police' will go off half cocked as you want them to.

mashman

30th April 2014, 18:21

We'd still be in cave if evolution was true? you sir, I think fail to grasp the concept of evolution :laugh:

Do you also not understand the concept of a false flag operation? The atrocity happens, it is just pinned on another group. You go in all guns blazing and destroy any evidence and you just kill the innocent and encourage future atrocities. Obviously in this particular case it is unlikely to be a false flag op, but the reason for that is because it is also unlikely the 'world police' will go off half cocked as you want them to.

How ironic... if you don't choose to evolve you won't.

:facepalm: why do you think I said send in special ops to scout first?

At this point I bow out.

bogan

30th April 2014, 18:31

How ironic... if you don't choose to evolve you won't.

:facepalm: why do you think I said send in special ops to scout first?

At this point I bow out.

Indeed, and one can only choose to evolve within the bounds of their surroundings/society. It's why human rights are evolving instead of the caveman just saying, nope women are our equal, gays are too, all shall have freedom of speech etc; these are recent things, because our society has evolved enough to make them a choice.

So, there are no hostages, and no record of them either, yet spec op investigators will prove who did it? Bottom line mashy, if a countries police force is controlled by a different country, they simply don't have the chance to stand on their own two feet. It's a half assed approach, why not just send in the full freedom squad to enforce democracy and eagles across the board.

Scuba_Steve

30th April 2014, 21:35

Indeed, and one can only choose to evolve within the bounds of their surroundings/society. It's why human rights are evolving instead of the caveman just saying, nope women are our equal, gays are too, all shall have freedom of speech etc; these are recent things, because our society has evolved enough to make them a choice.

after d"evolving" to restrict them in the 1st place... wouldn't that mean we just regressed? (tho we are working towards trying to restrict 1 of those again)

bogan

30th April 2014, 21:41

after d"evolving" to restrict them in the 1st place... wouldn't that mean we just regressed? (tho we are working towards trying to restrict 1 of those again)

Yup, but regression at one time might just seem like evolution to those who regress. Point being, if it were an individuals choice alone, then you wouldn't get such fluctions that are so related to what the rest of society is up to, and how civilised it is or isn't. We are a product of our surroundings, whether a whinging pom accepts that or not :whistle:

mashman

30th April 2014, 22:43

Yup, but regression at one time might just seem like evolution to those who regress. Point being, if it were an individuals choice alone, then you wouldn't get such fluctions that are so related to what the rest of society is up to, and how civilised it is or isn't. We are a product of our surroundings, whether a whinging pom accepts that or not :whistle:

Our surroundings are a product of us you arse end of the earth gas bagging hairy footed hobbit. Tis why we have politicians and economists etc... all man made, not because of environment, but because of choice. You make your own reality... well, in your case it would seem that you have chosen to allow your reality to be shaped for you.

bogan

30th April 2014, 22:54

Our surroundings are a product of us you arse end of the earth gas bagging hairy footed hobbit. Tis why we have politicians and economists etc... all man made, not because of environment, but because of choice. You make your own reality... well, in your case it would seem that you have chosen to allow your reality to be shaped for you.

Of course, but look at the scales. The individual is a product of his surroundings, but very rarely are the surroundings the product of a single individual. We grow, evolve, civilise as a society, which in turn affects how we grow as an individual.
For instance, without the internet and media etc, you probably wouldn't be such a thunderous shitlord so intent on spewing financial hatred.

mashman

30th April 2014, 23:18

Of course, but look at the scales. The individual is a product of his surroundings, but very rarely are the surroundings the product of a single individual. We grow, evolve, civilise as a society, which in turn affects how we grow as an individual.
For instance, without the internet and media etc, you probably wouldn't be such a thunderous shitlord so intent on spewing financial hatred.

Bullshit. Not every muslim is a jihadist by a long stretch of the imagination. Not every who is brought up in an entirely heterosexual environment is heterosexual. Not everyone who lives in France speaks French. Not every in Israel hate Palestinians etc... Individuals are a product of their choices, their surroundings have fuck all to do with it else we'd all be doing exactly the same thing... we're not, not even bloody close. We change as individuals as we feel and it has next to nothing to do with our surroundings. I have chosen to look to the future and forget the past in as many ways as I can, that future has not happened, therefore I cannot be affected by my surroundings as those surroundings haven't happened yet.
For instance, you're wrong. Financial hatred :killingme... that you think so shows just how inhuman and entrenched in your belief system you are, Ed MkII.

bogan

30th April 2014, 23:25

Bullshit. Not every muslim is a jihadist by a long stretch of the imagination. Not every who is brought up in an entirely heterosexual environment is heterosexual. Not everyone who lives in France speaks French. Not every in Israel hate Palestinians etc... Individuals are a product of their choices, their surroundings have fuck all to do with it else we'd all be doing exactly the same thing... we're not, not even bloody close. We change as individuals as we feel and it has next to nothing to do with our surroundings. I have chosen to look to the future and forget the past in as many ways as I can, that future has not happened, therefore I cannot be affected by my surroundings as those surroundings haven't happened yet.
For instance, you're wrong. Financial hatred :killingme... that you think so shows just how inhuman and entrenched in your belief system you are, Ed MkII.

I said they constrain our choices, not remove them. Like you have the choice to push yourself to be able to understand my points, yet it is clear you choose to misinterpret them. This is a product of the Internet surroundings we find ourselves in. Ed mkll? I know you think that an insult but all it does is show your lack of vision.

mashman

1st May 2014, 09:01

It's an embarrassment for the world, not just Nigeria. (https://news.yahoo.com/reports-abducted-girls-married-nigerian-rebels-185235180.html?__fssrc=1)

Ocean1

1st May 2014, 09:47

It's an embarrassment for the world, not just Nigeria

And well you might feel embarrassed, you've done fuck all about it you lazy hypocritical cunt.

unstuck

1st May 2014, 10:32

And well you might feel embarrassed, you've done fuck all about it you lazy hypocritical cunt.

I stopped my subscription to "Black chicks with big tits" . So I am doing my part.:bleh:

husaberg

1st May 2014, 21:04

It's an embarrassment for the world, not just Nigeria. (https://news.yahoo.com/reports-abducted-girls-married-nigerian-rebels-185235180.html?__fssrc=1)

could be just a scam.............:lol:

Banditbandit

2nd May 2014, 09:06

https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/q71/s480x480/10329320_10202320724563133_2089764583411167487_n.j pg

blue rider

2nd May 2014, 09:19

oh dear

http://www.nature.com/news/who-warns-against-post-antibiotic-era-1.15135

Akzle

2nd May 2014, 10:00

oh dear

http://www.nature.com/news/who-warns-against-post-antibiotic-era-1.15135

totally pegged this days ago.

it's okay though, just continue the scientific "inject them with poison and hope they don't die" //err, vaccination campaign.

Ocean1

2nd May 2014, 11:02

totally pegged this days ago.

it's okay though, just continue the scientific "inject them with poison and hope they don't die" //err, vaccination campaign.

Have some smallpox: 296713

And fuck off to the 19th century where you belong.

mashman

2nd May 2014, 11:28

Have some smallpox: 296713

And fuck off to the 19th century where you belong.

Wonder how much more potent the new strains will be given thanks to our caring sharing scientists. With any luck none of us will be immune or have immunity to it.

Akzle

2nd May 2014, 17:02

Have some smallpox:

And fuck off to the 19th century where you belong.

wanna hear this funny story, about milk maids far out in the cuntry, and not having a doctor regular like, having natural immunity against the pox?

your children are weak.

Ocean1

2nd May 2014, 18:56

Wonder how much more potent the new strains will be given thanks to our caring sharing scientists.

What new strains? thanks to science it's been eradicated.

With any luck none of us will be immune or have immunity to it.

Yeah, you'd really like that eh? Only, if and when there's an epidemic it'll be caused by fuckwits like you who don't believe in immunisation.

Ocean1

2nd May 2014, 19:03

wanna hear this funny story, about milk maids far out in the cuntry, and not having a doctor regular like, having natural immunity against the pox?

your children are weak.

I've heard it. It's shit.

And my children are a fucking sight less likely to die painfully as a result of smallpox than their predecessors, thanks to the vast majority of people who immunised their kids. And if you reckon that means they're weak then your definition is fukd.

mashman

2nd May 2014, 20:18

What new strains? thanks to science it's been eradicated.

Yeah, you'd really like that eh? Only, if and when there's an epidemic it'll be caused by fuckwits like you who don't believe in immunisation.

That's brilliant. Let's hope it hasn't turned into something else and been rebranded.

I have days where I wish it would happen... and it's not whether I believe in immunisation or not (you simply don't know which I would choose, and I ain't gonna tell ya neither hoss), it's up to each individual whether they decide to poison their children or not. If it costs my child their life, then that's my lookout... and just to be clear sunny, kids can still die irrespective of immunisation status, so you can't read anything into that last statement either (although I'm sure you'll try).

blue rider

2nd May 2014, 20:25

disclaimer: I am not anti vaccination.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/t1.0-9/10155994_829778180383930_7482114572501845738_n.jpg

:laugh:

Ocean1

2nd May 2014, 21:01

kids can still die irrespective of immunisation status,

They can't die of smallpox, though, can they? Because a sufficient majority were immunised against it.

And those that don't immunise are directly responsible for future deaths from other diseases.

And that's the only fact history will record, did you prevent tens of millions of future illnesses and death? or did you drop the fucking ball?

mashman

2nd May 2014, 21:37

They can't die of smallpox, though, can they? Because a sufficient majority were immunised against it.

And those that don't immunise are directly responsible for future deaths from other diseases.

And that's the only fact history will record, did you prevent tens of millions of future illnesses and death? or did you drop the fucking ball?

Drop the ball? Oh dear lord :facepalm:... destroying the environment they live in and murdering hundreds of thousands in wars and leaving irradiated shells behind for kids to play with etc... Hypocrite.

Ocean1

2nd May 2014, 21:53

Drop the ball? Oh dear lord :facepalm:... destroying the environment they live in and murdering hundreds of thousands in wars and leaving irradiated shells behind for kids to play with etc... Hypocrite.

I haven't done any of that shit. Neither has any vaccination scheme.

Nor am I hypocrite enough to take the health advantages others created and tell them my kids are better off not taking their miniscule share of the cost in exchange for eternal protection for their kids.

bogan

2nd May 2014, 21:57

Drop the ball? Oh dear lord :facepalm:... destroying the environment they live in and murdering hundreds of thousands in wars and leaving irradiated shells behind for kids to play with etc... Hypocrite.

I think you'll find the two are not mutually inclusive :whistle: Or even that others doing one justifies any fuckwits that selfishly avoiding vaccination. Fucking scientifically illiterate immuno-dolist sub-plebeians.

mashman

2nd May 2014, 22:18

I haven't done any of that shit. Neither has any vaccination scheme.

Nor am I hypocrite enough to take the health advantages others created and tell them my kids are better off not taking their miniscule share of the cost in exchange for eternal protection for their kids.

Cool story bro.

I think you'll find the two are not mutually inclusive :whistle: Or even that others doing one justifies any fuckwits that selfishly avoiding vaccination. Fucking scientifically illiterate immuno-dolist sub-plebeians.

Meh. Tomato, Tomarto.

Ocean1

2nd May 2014, 22:21

Cool story bro.

Yeah. Only in the grownup world we call it history.

mashman

2nd May 2014, 22:25

Yeah. Only in the grownup world we call it history.

:killingme... but of course you do. How quaint that you consider yourself to be an adult and kudos for referring to history to back up your position. Why didn't you just go for, coz my dad said so.

Akzle

3rd May 2014, 07:13

And those that don't immunise are directly responsible for future deaths from other diseases.

wait, what?

Akzle

3rd May 2014, 07:15

Fucking scientifically illiterate immuno-dolist sub-plebeians.

you read the thing, right?
About how science cant fix their own shit anymore, eh?

avgas

3rd May 2014, 08:28

I stopped my subscription to "Black chicks with big tits" . So I am doing my part.:bleh:
You blind bastard. I wasn't called that.
Mind you you got most of it right
Black chicks with big ___s, and now they are going to go bankrupt due to losing their sole subscriber.

blue rider

4th May 2014, 20:55

drip drip drip

and soon is a flood

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/05/02-7

blue rider

5th May 2014, 08:33

we know
you know
she knows
he knows
however they seem not to know

ooops

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/04/mers-virus_n_5263502.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics

mashman

5th May 2014, 08:58

Rescued those kidnapped girls yet? (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/a/-/world/23220274/nigerian-leader-new-order-to-free-abducted-girls/)... nope.

Akzle

5th May 2014, 09:41

we know

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/04/mers-virus_n_5263502.html?utm_hp_ref=politics&ir=Politics

spread rapidly across Asia a decade ago, leaving some 800 people dead.

do you know how many people are in asia?
know how many DIDN'T die?

Banditbandit

5th May 2014, 09:47

do you know how many people are in asia?
know how many DIDN'T die?

All the ones who came here for a start ..

bogan

5th May 2014, 13:18

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8172249600/hC0CE9921/

BoristheBiter

5th May 2014, 14:50

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:laugh:

See I know what it is aimed at but it would have been better if he sold him a seedling as he cut done the tree and made a more secure shelter that offers more safety than being just a tree.

blue rider

6th May 2014, 07:40

would not happen here, never eve, promise cross my heart

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/05/04/1296914/-NEW-ENGERY-CRISIS-Wall-Street-Buys-Power-Plants-To-Close-Them

bogan

12th May 2014, 16:53

mashman

12th May 2014, 18:12

Here ya go mashy, it isn't the gold we must get rid off, it is instead the perspective we must gain.

You been out rolling in the catnip or riding rainbow unicorns or somefink?

Aye, the gold is great for making stuff and yup, there is the need for a certain perspective I agree... but given that the gold is distracting people from the perspective, tis a bit silly to keep the gold around innit. It's quite simple really, where one gains many must fall. Tis a stupid fantasy of a few that kills the dreams of the many and lays waste to all of the work that has gone before in regards to gaining any form of perspective. Blah blah blah wankery wankery wankery.

bogan

12th May 2014, 18:20

You been out rolling in the catnip or riding rainbow unicorns or somefink?

Aye, the gold is great for making stuff and yup, there is the need for a certain perspective I agree... but given that the gold is distracting people from the perspective, tis a bit silly to keep the gold around innit. It's quite simple really, where one gains many must fall. Tis a stupid fantasy of a few that kills the dreams of the many and lays waste to all of the work that has gone before in regards to gaining any form of perspective. Blah blah blah wankery wankery wankery.

Nah, tis cold as a witch's tit out there. My unicorns all fucked off to Jamaica

That's the thing about perspective though init, had scrouge had it, he wouldn't have been chasing said gold, and it would matter not if it was there or not.

mashman

12th May 2014, 20:18

Nah, tis cold as a witch's tit out there. My unicorns all fucked off to Jamaica

That's the thing about perspective though init, had scrouge had it, he wouldn't have been chasing said gold, and it would matter not if it was there or not.

Selfish bastards.

But he did have it and kept on chasing. Meh. It's all fine and well until it's the only method to pay for things and then the fucker has you by the balls.

bogan

12th May 2014, 20:30

Selfish bastards.

But he did have it and kept on chasing. Meh. It's all fine and well until it's the only method to pay for things and then the fucker has you by the balls.

Are you even remotely familiar with scrooge? He wasn't chasing it to pay for things.

mashman

12th May 2014, 20:40

Are you even remotely familiar with scrooge? He wasn't chasing it to pay for things.

Eezagud Eezagud Scrooge and Scrooge McDuck were two completely different characters. Yes, I am familiar with Scrooge. He was but a miser who detested people, not an out and out cunt though.

blue rider

13th May 2014, 09:17

fun read
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/13/science/earth/collapse-of-parts-of-west-antarctica-ice-sheet-has-begun-scientists-say.html?src=twr&_r=2

blue rider

14th May 2014, 13:46

and this is fun to watch,
i promise

:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjuGCJJUGsg

blue rider

14th May 2014, 17:15

https://scontent-a-lax.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10346003_836401803054901_6761586045145263125_n.jpg

true that.

bogan

14th May 2014, 17:22

and this is fun to watch,
i promise

:)

Worth noting that 2/3rds of the papers they surveyed made no comments on the cause of it. Be interesting to see if over that time the percentages change or show a trend...

true that.

Easy, make a moonbase.

blue rider

15th May 2014, 11:47

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/t1.0-9/10353130_866775476671792_8100618764269874215_n.jpg

:bleh:

bogan

15th May 2014, 11:59

Bad news is NZ is near the edge though, so don't go swimming this summer lest you get washed over it...

blue rider

15th May 2014, 14:50

good read

http://briefingpapers.co.nz/2014/05/the-purpose-of-economic-policy/

Brian d marge

15th May 2014, 15:10

good read

http://briefingpapers.co.nz/2014/05/the-purpose-of-economic-policy/
all three of us trying to read it at the same time has crashed the server ........damn

Stephen

BoristheBiter

15th May 2014, 15:15

all three of us trying to read it at the same time has crashed the server ........damn

Stephen

You didn't miss much, same crap different day.

mashman

15th May 2014, 20:29

good read

http://briefingpapers.co.nz/2014/05/the-purpose-of-economic-policy/

Aye... fiscal policy and growth to the rescue for the umpteenth time :facepalm: Stupidity personified having its hand held by a lazy gullible public and the fucktards who actually believe that it's a solution.

husaberg

15th May 2014, 21:54

The Nats came to power on balance of their fiscal responsibility and their years of slagging off how they could do better.
Post six budget deficits in a row.................

Brian d marge

16th May 2014, 01:34

The Nats came to power on balance of their fiscal responsibility and their years of slagging off how they could do better.
Post six budget deficits in a row.................

never under estimate the power of ...... Stuff

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/budget-2014/10048613/Budget-2014-The-essential-guide

Stephen

mashman

16th May 2014, 05:46

never under estimate the power of ...... Stuff

http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/budget-2014/10048613/Budget-2014-The-essential-guide

Stephen

Whew... we're saved. Next stop nirvana.

avgas

16th May 2014, 07:38

good read
http://briefingpapers.co.nz/2014/05/the-purpose-of-economic-policy/
I don't trust anyone who calls themselves in the 3rd person and says they are "Leading"

In the good old days of books - those "About the Author" things made sense. Because "THEY" had to say something about "YOU".
But on a personal blog is the worst kind of chest puffery. Akin to screaming "Say my name bitch!" while masturbating.

BoristheBiter

16th May 2014, 07:49

I don't trust anyone who calls themselves in the 3rd person and says they are "Leading"

In the good old days of books - those "About the Author" things made sense. Because "THEY" had to say something about "YOU".
But on a personal blog is the worst kind of chest puffery. Akin to screaming "Say my name bitch!" while masturbating.

So it's like KB then?

Banditbandit

16th May 2014, 08:51

https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/10257189_822437997777213_8788088880320959832_n.jpg

mashman

16th May 2014, 09:42

"No, it will make war impossible." - Hiram Maxim answering "Will this gun not make war more terrible".

Brian d marge

16th May 2014, 18:09

Some old NZ geezer said once" The life , the health and morals of a nation count far more than riches and I would rather have this country free from want and squalor and unemployment than the home of multi millionaires"

He would have done well that fella ,,,,

Stephen

mashman

16th May 2014, 18:15

Brian d marge

16th May 2014, 18:47

Was that that fella who rode Indians?

kinky ...hope he used lube

Stephen

Scuba_Steve

16th May 2014, 19:37

Worlds deadliest animals

Looks like we as humans need to step up our game, Those mossies are bloody killing us

Akzle

16th May 2014, 22:35

Looks like we as humans need to step up our game, Those mossies are bloody killing us

why is it that they use human deaths as the measure? Like theyre somehow better or more important than anything else.
I wonder what the graph would look like if it was counted by mosquito deaths. Humans probably rank lower than trout, frogs, spiders...

10bikekid

16th May 2014, 23:10

why is it that they use human deaths as the measure? Like theyre somehow better or more important than anything else.
I wonder what the graph would look like if it was counted by mosquito deaths. Humans probably rank lower than trout, frogs, spiders...

Just to check that was an honest appraisal, You have a choice, kill the mosquito or the human, which do you choose ? :eek5:

Scuba_Steve

17th May 2014, 09:13

why is it that they use human deaths as the measure? Like theyre somehow better or more important than anything else.
I wonder what the graph would look like if it was counted by mosquito deaths. Humans probably rank lower than trout, frogs, spiders...

Yea but Mossies haven't worked out how to draw graphs yet so humans still get to push the propaganda for now

Just to check that was an honest appraisal, You have a choice, kill the mosquito or the human, which do you choose ? :eek5:

Who is the human you speak of?... :innocent::devil2:

Akzle

17th May 2014, 19:55

You have a choice, kill the mosquito or the human, which do you choose ? :eek5:

Who is the human you speak of?... :innocent::devil2:

this. 8 times in 10 id pick the human.

10bikekid

17th May 2014, 20:41

this. 8 times in 10 id pick the human.

Ethically you'd need to be first line :msn-wink:

Akzle

17th May 2014, 21:16

Ethically you'd need to be first line :msn-wink:

no, because im better than everyone else.
Also, who would then select which 80% die?

10bikekid

17th May 2014, 21:29

no, because im better than everyone else.
Also, who would then select which 80% die?

Unfortunately the ideas man no mater how righteous needs to lead by example in which case the other 70% is not your concern :no:

blue rider

18th May 2014, 18:43

stuff

http://www.defense.gov/pubs/2014_Quadrennial_Defense_Review.pdf

Brian d marge

19th May 2014, 00:43

hey anyone want some cheap US bonds, Belgium has a few

Belgium WTf ?????

Stephen

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/15/usa-economy-capital-idUSL1N0O117Z20140515

avgas

19th May 2014, 05:46

So it's like KB then?
Nah KB is more like the game soggy biscuit.

Akzle

19th May 2014, 07:16

Nah KB is more like the game soggy biscuit.

*in a resthome. Where no one ever gets off and you get sleepy trying, before forgetting why youre there.

So you sit down to tea and biscuits...

blue rider

19th May 2014, 18:18

it can't be done here or more stuff

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/05/13/3436923/germany-energy-records/

bogan

19th May 2014, 18:29

it can't be done here or more stuff

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/05/13/3436923/germany-energy-records/

I think you'll find we are doing a bit more than they are in that respect. Not the same growth/shift to renewable because our hydro has always been a massive contributor; but we are still ahead in terms of proportion of renewable energy generated.

mashman

19th May 2014, 18:36

it can't be done here or more stuff

http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/05/13/3436923/germany-energy-records/

Nice.

I think you'll find we are doing a bit more than they are in that respect. Not the same growth/shift to renewable because our hydro has always been a massive contributor; but we are still ahead in terms of proportion of renewable energy generated.

We should be going geo-thermal.

bogan

19th May 2014, 18:51

We should be going geo-thermal.

We are, Te Mihi (160MW) was commisioned this month. Tauhara Phase Two (250MW) has got the green light. Those two alone can knock off 15% of our non-renewable usage.

TPTB must be good for something eh!

blue rider

19th May 2014, 19:00

We are, Te Mihi (160MW) was commisioned this month. Tauhara Phase Two (250MW) has got the green light. Those two alone can knock off 15% of our non-renewable usage.

TPTB must be good for something eh!

No, the people that pay for these Stations with their taxes are good for something. TPTB is just there to distribute the funds raised via taxation of the people to pay for shiney things that are good for the communal good. Sometimes the sovereign (us the people) gets lucky and the elected/selected representatives do spend the money on the public good instead of themselves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereignty

mashman

19th May 2014, 19:01

blue rider

19th May 2014, 19:03

15% is 15% of an effort. No, not good enough. Too slow.

before you run, you have to learn to walk. gotta start somewhere.

bogan

19th May 2014, 19:06

before you run, you have to learn to walk. gotta start somewhere.

Exactly, I for one applaud these efforts, and lets not forget these are not the only efforts to further our renewable energy generation.

The bit about TPTB was just a jab at mashy, with the utterly predictable result.

Ocean1

19th May 2014, 19:09

Exactly, I for one applaud these efforts, and lets not forget these are not the only efforts to further our renewable energy generation.

The bit about TPTB was just a jab at mashy, with the utterly predictable result.

What, he's failed to contribute enough to pay for his hammers?

Again?

mashman

19th May 2014, 19:09

before you run, you have to learn to walk. gotta start somewhere.

We have been crawling since the late 50's. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_power_in_New_Zealand) We should be wallowing in free power by now ;)

mashman

19th May 2014, 19:11

Exactly, I for one applaud these efforts, and lets not forget these are not the only efforts to further our renewable energy generation.

The bit about TPTB was just a jab at mashy, with the utterly predictable result.

I'm applauding the effort, however I know for a fact that more could have been done had we really have wanted to have it done by now.

My response had nothing to do with TPTB Mr Ed.

bogan

19th May 2014, 19:29

I'm applauding the effort, however I know for a fact that more could have been done had we really have wanted to have it done by now.

My response had nothing to do with TPTB Mr Ed.

Of course things could have been done different, but with renewable electrical generation approaching 75% of NZ's total; they could have done a lot worse too.

Horses for courses mashy, I just predicted you'd be a neigh-sayer, truth is we're far from crawling along, much more of a canter, or even a trot perhaps.

mashman

19th May 2014, 19:34

Of course things could have been done different, but with renewable electrical generation approaching 75% of NZ's total; they could have done a lot worse too.

Horses for courses mashy, I just predicted you'd be a neigh-sayer, truth is we're far from crawling along, much more of a canter, or even a trot perhaps.

It could have been worse I agree.

I get it, don't get me wrong, but I also know that we could do better should we, erm, change things around a little bit :laugh:. Nah, never a neigh-sayer, a conscientious objector that knows that things could have been done differently if it were deemed to be important enough. I am, as are you, completely aware that it costs money to build these things. They'd need a lot of hammers.

bogan

19th May 2014, 19:40

It could have been worse I agree.

That's better, always lope towards such problems in a state of equineamity.

mashman

19th May 2014, 19:53

That's better, always lope towards such problems in a state of equineamity.

I do that in my quiet time at a very rapid rate thanks. So emotivity = no equineamity? That's a bit silly.

bogan

19th May 2014, 20:21

So emotivity = no equineamity? That's a bit silly.

It's a play on words, incorporating a horse pun with the word equanimity (synonym of even-mindedness). The idea that your emotions should not be involved in problem solving might seem silly to you though, but to others, it's just good science :yes:

mashman

19th May 2014, 21:25

The idea that your emotions should not be involved in problem solving might seem silly to you though, but to others, it's just good science :yes:

It doesn't seem silly to me at all, why would it?. I am more than aware that there are people who have trouble understanding communication that is emotive. However, that's your intolerance, not their failure... when I talk to emotive people, I hear what they're saying, not how they're saying it. To that end, I fail to see why emotions should not be involved in problem solving.

bogan

19th May 2014, 21:36

It doesn't seem silly to me at all, why would it?. I am more than aware that there are people who have trouble understanding communication that is emotive. However, that's your intolerance, not their failure... when I talk to emotive people, I hear what they're saying, not how they're saying it. To that end, I fail to see why emotions should not be involved in problem solving.

Two words. Confirmation bias. Not surprised you don't have a problem with it :laugh:

mashman

19th May 2014, 21:50

Two words. Confirmation bias. Not surprised you don't have a problem with it :laugh:

Surely you do not equate emotivity with impartiality? Tsk tsk, hypocritical conformation (spelling is perfect thanks) bias alert.

bogan

19th May 2014, 22:03

Surely you do not equate emotivity with impartiality? Tsk tsk, hypocritical conformation (spelling is perfect thanks) bias alert.

Surely not indeed, the relationship is quite the opposite.

mashman

19th May 2014, 23:22

Surely not indeed, the relationship is quite the opposite.

They're the same thing. I dunno, you for every action there's an opposite but equal reaction people ararf ya heeds.

bogan

19th May 2014, 23:34

They're the same thing. I dunno, you for every action there's an opposite but equal reaction people ararf ya heeds.

More creative dictionarying by mashy? Impartiality is making objective decisions, allowing ones emotions to affect said decisions removes their impartiality, by definition.

Why do you persist in trying to convolute something that is wrong, into something that is maybe? Is it because you know your anti-money stance is in the same boat?

mashman

20th May 2014, 07:41

More creative dictionarying by mashy? Impartiality is making objective decisions, allowing ones emotions to affect said decisions removes their impartiality, by definition.

Why do you persist in trying to convolute something that is wrong, into something that is maybe? Is it because you know your anti-money stance is in the same boat?

:rofl: none so blind.

:rofl:@wrong. yararf yer heed.

mashman

20th May 2014, 07:52

BoristheBiter

20th May 2014, 08:14

:rofl: none so blind.

you looking in the mirror again?

bogan

20th May 2014, 09:41

Major blow for Ruataniwha Dam (https://nz.finance.yahoo.com/news/major-blow-for-ruataniwha-dam-182519866.html)... Is the dam a good idea? Yes. Then what's the problem? Oh we don't have enough money. And people are asked to have faith in the financial system, get fucked nimrods.

Why is it such a good idea? Look into it a bit deeper and you'll find it is a way to monetise a natural resource; kinda surprised you're all for that...

mashman

20th May 2014, 11:56

Why is it such a good idea? Look into it a bit deeper and you'll find it is a way to monetise a natural resource; kinda surprised you're all for that...

Coz I said so. WOW. :yawn:

bogan

20th May 2014, 12:06

Coz I said so. WOW. :yawn:

And here we have the thread distilled down to its very essence. It's not about logic, discussion, or education. It's just about one man whinging that the world does not conform to his infantile ideals; grow up mashy, you'll be a happier man for it.

avgas

20th May 2014, 14:22

We have been crawling since the late 50's. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geothermal_power_in_New_Zealand) We should be wallowing in free power by now ;)
Not true, per capita and per GDP we have been dominating the field.
Problem is that our consumption kept up, and our pricing stayed low (comparing to what it cost us).

Geo had one problem - the first attempt we had at it; Sucked. Took 10 years to fix and another 20 years to convince the people that it was actually a good waste of time. It also had lot to compete against considering we did hydro-electric since before the average house had power. So Hydro had a 60 year head start. Therefore the default things taught in schools was natural - hydro, and the odd farmer had a wind turbine.........this was the case at most schools up until the 1970's

But now that we have Geo.......does make you wonder if we will stop thinking again for another 50 years.

There are certain reactors in the world that are safe and have less pollution and infrastructure than renewable (yes renewable does not entirely mean green - unless you launch it into space)
So if we don't want out kids to think we stop innovating - and being 50 years behind the ball.......shouldn't we now start thinking about those?

Or do stay 50 years behind, and stick with Geo?

blue rider

20th May 2014, 16:31

hahahahah

i think irony just died :)

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/farmers-sues-towns-over-climate-damage-2014-5

oldrider

20th May 2014, 16:54

Counter claim to that should be what incentives in premium rebates etc has the insurance company offered to customers for inovative preventative modifications?

Chicken and egg syndrome ... who benefits the most? ... An insurance company to avoid I think! :yes:

mashman

20th May 2014, 19:10

Not true, per capita and per GDP we have been dominating the field.
Problem is that our consumption kept up, and our pricing stayed low (comparing to what it cost us).

Geo had one problem - the first attempt we had at it; Sucked. Took 10 years to fix and another 20 years to convince the people that it was actually a good waste of time. It also had lot to compete against considering we did hydro-electric since before the average house had power. So Hydro had a 60 year head start. Therefore the default things taught in schools was natural - hydro, and the odd farmer had a wind turbine.........this was the case at most schools up until the 1970's

But now that we have Geo.......does make you wonder if we will stop thinking again for another 50 years.

There are certain reactors in the world that are safe and have less pollution and infrastructure than renewable (yes renewable does not entirely mean green - unless you launch it into space)
So if we don't want out kids to think we stop innovating - and being 50 years behind the ball.......shouldn't we now start thinking about those?

Or do stay 50 years behind, and stick with Geo?

Can we build good ones these days? If I gave you 100,000 qualified people, how long til I get my 20? I hope we learn to run dual devices. If you can, er, lay your hands on some

I know it's not green, nothing is green... unless it is manifested into existence via cognitive mental projection of course.

Why not all? No point sitting with ones thumb up ones arse whilst designing the tricky feckers. Chuck up some panels and turbines whilst waiting for the go ahead for the tricky feckers. Get a geothermal plant or two banged together. Ode to be free.

mashman

20th May 2014, 19:24

hahahahah

i think irony just died :)

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/farmers-sues-towns-over-climate-damage-2014-5

Nah, you'll never get people to start valuing their belongings and telling the insurance company what they're worth. Next they'll be making you pay for a professional evaluation too.

Brian d marge

20th May 2014, 19:50

Ive got 2 jousting sticks
. . Got to be worth 180 odd

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mashman

20th May 2014, 19:58

Ive got 2 jousting sticks
. . Got to be worth 180 odd

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They're chop sticks that look like jousting sticks really aren't they.

Brian d marge

20th May 2014, 20:00

Na bought em off a fella told him he was drwaming for 190

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mashman

20th May 2014, 20:02

Na bought em off a fella told him he was drwaming for 190

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How jew gettum home?

bogan

20th May 2014, 20:03

Brian d marge

20th May 2014, 20:05

How jew gettum home?

Economy carry on

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mashman

20th May 2014, 20:11

Interesting, even the greens are saying the Ruataniwha Dam is a poor idea http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/10063617/Drop-Ruataniwha-Dam-project-Greens

I mean it sounds good in theory, dam up river to have more irrigation reserves in summer, but the farmland is actually doing pretty good off underground aquifers in the region, which considering it is essentially a limestone basin is not surprising. In addition to a bit of a wonky resource consent process, not surprised or worried that this one seems like a non-starter.

""The Government needs to face the reality that the Ruataniwha dam is not commercially viable and could only be constructed with massive public subsidies," Sage said.". Let's wait til the farmers start a yellin for water one crazy hot summer. Or maybe it'll all be fine.

mashman

20th May 2014, 20:12

Economy carry on

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Not considered a deadly weapon then.

bogan

20th May 2014, 20:18

""The Government needs to face the reality that the Ruataniwha dam is not commercially viable and could only be constructed with massive public subsidies," Sage said.". Let's wait til the farmers start a yellin for water one crazy hot summer. Or maybe it'll all be fine.

Mate, how out of touch are you? the farmers are the ones kicking up a fuss cos they have to pay for the fucking thing and then get locked into lengthy consent contracts which may be subject to changes and also have to do their own fucking environmental planning stuff for leeching rates etc. and these are just the ones who are eligible, for the rest it is just tough shit, no water or decent land resale prices for you.
Not being commercially viable means that even despite having a captive market, they can't recoup costs because the increase in production doesn't justify what they would need to charge.

Brian d marge

20th May 2014, 20:24

Fk em they only make 5% of the economy

They should try some other syht that makes money

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mashman

20th May 2014, 21:07

Mate, how out of touch are you? the farmers are the ones kicking up a fuss cos they have to pay for the fucking thing and then get locked into lengthy consent contracts which may be subject to changes and also have to do their own fucking environmental planning stuff for leeching rates etc. and these are just the ones who are eligible, for the rest it is just tough shit, no water or decent land resale prices for you.
Not being commercially viable means that even despite having a captive market, they can't recoup costs because the increase in production doesn't justify what they would need to charge.

Wah wah money rant money rant wah wah. What did you say? Money is preventing something from being done. Like coming to decisions? You lookin for utopia or somefink? A utopia where money gets potentially important shit done without anyone batting an eyelid. Commercial viability... pah.

bogan

20th May 2014, 21:16

Wah wah money rant money rant wah wah.

Yeh that about sums up your infantile views... Grow the fuck up mashy, take some responsibility.

mashman

20th May 2014, 21:30

Yeh that about sums up your infantile views... Grow the fuck up mashy, take some responsibility.

And you call me out of date... gold.

Brian d marge

21st May 2014, 00:44

BoristheBiter

21st May 2014, 07:42

Wah wah money rant money rant wah wah. What did you say? Money is preventing something from being done. Like coming to decisions? You lookin for utopia or somefink? A utopia where money gets potentially important shit done without anyone batting an eyelid. Commercial viability... pah.

http://i0.wp.com/stixblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/alex.jpg?fit=480%2C266

mashman

21st May 2014, 08:14

Alex Jones

You're might be right.

BoristheBiter

21st May 2014, 08:20

You're might be right.

Careful now, that agreement i hear :lol:

mashman

21st May 2014, 09:13

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/america-dumbs-down/

coming to a high street near you !

Actually the Zombie Apocalypse is a hoard of stupid people trying to get the last bit of mouldy bread from the supermarket after the deliveries stop

Not sure my 40# samick sage would be enough , my change to bunny busting tips

That was a waste of internet. An elitist document lamenting the public for the state of the world :tugger:, pretty typical of scientists really. Can't measure it, then it's unimportant.

mashman

21st May 2014, 09:14

Careful now, that agreement i hear :lol:

It all depends on how you hear it :bleh:

bogan

21st May 2014, 10:32

Brian d marge

21st May 2014, 13:34

Truly an article befitting the thread title :bleh:

yup

and it had everrything , pink guns , found it on the internet and Zombies

legendary post right there !

Stephen

BoristheBiter

21st May 2014, 14:57

yup

and it had everrything , pink guns , found it on the internet and Zombies

legendary post right there !

Stephen

Pink guns and zombies, I can die now my life is complete.

Brian d marge

22nd May 2014, 02:15

Pink guns and zombies, I can die now my life is complete.

ohhh nnnnoooooo
you havent event started

check me out

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Stefan

avgas

22nd May 2014, 03:17

Can we build good ones these days? If I gave you 100,000 qualified people, how long til I get my 20? I hope we learn to run dual devices. If you can, er, lay your hands on some

I know it's not green, nothing is green... unless it is manifested into existence via cognitive mental projection of course.

Why not all? No point sitting with ones thumb up ones arse whilst designing the tricky feckers. Chuck up some panels and turbines whilst waiting for the go ahead for the tricky feckers. Get a geothermal plant or two banged together. Ode to be free.
An interesting article poped up.
Seems even basic designs can be slapped together by startups
http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/nuclear/startup-designs-trucksize-nuclear-reactor/?utm_source=energywise&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=052114

So what about our precious heads of science and engineering in NZ. Are they as smart as college grads in a startup?

(disclaimer: I am not a member of IPENZ as I have seen more invention and creativity in the toilet bowl every morning, as for NZ science - lets just say Rutherford ran from NZ. We need better appointed heads of these things.)

Brian d marge

22nd May 2014, 03:46

Fuvking hell its fred titmus

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jonbuoy

22nd May 2014, 08:19

That was a waste of internet. An elitist document lamenting the public for the state of the world :tugger:, pretty typical of scientists really. Can't measure it, then it's unimportant.

Did you even read the article?

BoristheBiter

22nd May 2014, 10:20

ohhh nnnnoooooo
you havent event started

check me out

Stefan

You sir need some serous help.:facepalm:

mashman

22nd May 2014, 10:22

Did you even read the article?

Yup..........

Brian d marge

22nd May 2014, 15:54

You sir need some serous help.:facepalm:

I have access to weapons

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bogan

22nd May 2014, 17:23

An interesting article poped up.
Seems even basic designs can be slapped together by startups
http://spectrum.ieee.org/energywise/energy/nuclear/startup-designs-trucksize-nuclear-reactor/?utm_source=energywise&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=052114

So what about our precious heads of science and engineering in NZ. Are they as smart as college grads in a startup?

(disclaimer: I am not a member of IPENZ as I have seen more invention and creativity in the toilet bowl every morning, as for NZ science - lets just say Rutherford ran from NZ. We need better appointed heads of these things.)

I think public opinion would be a big stumbling block for such a project here in NZ.

I hear you about IPENZ though, haven't seen em do fuck all except come to uni and talk a big talk.

jonbuoy

22nd May 2014, 17:27

Yup..........

What scientists are you talking about then?

mashman

23rd May 2014, 08:02

What scientists are you talking about then?

There were scientists in there... but lame troll looks to have been obvious troll also.

jonbuoy

23rd May 2014, 08:42

There were scientists in there... but lame troll looks to have been obvious troll also.

No scientist were pointing the finger in that report. Which bit of that article didnt you agree with?

mashman

23rd May 2014, 09:02

No scientist were pointing the finger in that report. Which bit of that article didnt you agree with?

The bit that labelled people as dumb.

Akzle

23rd May 2014, 10:37

The bit that labelled people as dumb.

dooooood. look around. they are.

bogan

23rd May 2014, 11:08

The bit that labelled people as dumb.

A rather ironic statement considering the thread title :rolleyes:

mashman

23rd May 2014, 14:21

dooooood. look around. they are.

Nah, just loads of people who haven't collected any knowledge and therefore need to be labelled as dumb by those with knowledge who believe that they know better, but quite obviously don't, and are therefore dumber than those without knowledge. They're the dumb ones. Case in point:

A rather ironic statement considering the thread title :rolleyes:

FFS what is the world coming to when ya can't generalise on KB in the affirmative.

bogan

23rd May 2014, 14:33

Nah, just loads of people who haven't collected any knowledge and therefore need to be labelled as dumb by those with knowledge who believe that they know better, but quite obviously don't, and are therefore dumber than those without knowledge. They're the dumb ones. Case in point:

FFS what is the world coming to when ya can't generalise on KB in the affirmative.

So, you're saying those who believe in evolution are dumb, because they call those who don't dumb? Nothing to do with the sheer weight of evidence in their favor, you would call them all dumb simply because they can't be fucked with the PC bullshit and are willing to call others out on their stupid ways? Still sounds awfully ironic given the thread title.

Stupid?

jonbuoy

23rd May 2014, 18:38

blue rider

23rd May 2014, 19:13

more details on the ice melt in the western Antarctica for those that are interested in that sort of stuff

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/may/19/doubling-of-antarctic-ice-loss-revealed-by-european-satellite

Ocean1

23rd May 2014, 19:15

But you and Blue Rider do it in almost every post you make?

Aye. You know what they say about a little knowledge?

What are you still doing here? You won't find it in this thread, it's strictly for clueless malcontents.

blue rider

23rd May 2014, 19:27

10bikekid

23rd May 2014, 19:40

So, you're saying those who believe in evolution are dumb, because they call those who don't dumb? Nothing to do with the sheer weight of evidence in their favor, you would call them all dumb simply because they can't be ---- with the PC bull and are willing to call others out on their stupid ways? Still sounds awfully ironic given the thread title.

Stupid?

Maybe ;)

http://www.amazon.com/In-Six-Days-Scientists-Creation/dp/1864364432/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t

http://www.openculture.com/2011/07/5...about_god.html

bogan

23rd May 2014, 19:48

Maybe ;)

http://www.amazon.com/In-Six-Days-Scientists-Creation/dp/1864364432/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t

http://www.openculture.com/2011/07/50_famous_academics_talk_about_god.html

Did you just censor my post in you quote?

Brian d marge

23rd May 2014, 20:09

What are you still doing here? You won't find it in this thread, it's strictly for clueless malcontents.

Welcome to your nivana

Stephen

mashman

23rd May 2014, 23:27

a couple of years ago i lived in the Netherlands and I did enjoy the grachten, and the dykes, and the millions of kilometers of cycle lanes. :) t'was fun to live there.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/may/19/floods-dutch-britain-netherlands-climatechange

interesting approach to flooding and flood control

S'ok, Insurance'll fix everything. Wonder if the insurance industry invests their profits in projects similar to the above in order to save money in he long run?

mashman

23rd May 2014, 23:29

So, you're saying those who believe in evolution are dumb, because they call those who don't dumb? Nothing to do with the sheer weight of evidence in their favor, you would call them all dumb simply because they can't be fucked with the PC bullshit and are willing to call others out on their stupid ways? Still sounds awfully ironic given the thread title.

Stupid?

Nope, not what I'm saying... but fair enough, you see irony.

But you and Blue Rider do it in almost every post you make?

What? Show that we might give a shit? Ah well, I'll live with the curse.

Brian d marge

23rd May 2014, 23:38

How come most every major religion has stories of a flood ........

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I need a TV

I wannna kill , I waannna killl

I wanna tv

Stephen

bogan

23rd May 2014, 23:40

Nope, not what I'm saying... but fair enough, you see irony.

Far be it for you to justify why you call others dumb and stupid though... :rolleyes:

mashman

24th May 2014, 00:18

Far be it for you to justify why you call others dumb and stupid though... :rolleyes:

I'm still trying to decondition myself :bleh:

avgas

24th May 2014, 06:48

I hear you about IPENZ though, haven't seen em do fuck all except come to uni and talk a big talk.
If that was your impression of them in uni. I can openly tell you, you don't want them meet them in the street. The big talk continues......and sometimes get in the way of your work.
I am sure there are smart people in IPENZ. But in general it is full of stupid + ego.

I used to meet various elements of IPENZ in my dealings with the power/control industry. Apart from a few good papers. Majority of their stuff was ego chest beating.

You know the saying "Those who cannot do, teach"?
Well those who cannot teach - consult
And those who cannot consult (or are not respected to do so) - sell IPENZ.

10bikekid

24th May 2014, 07:08

How come most every major religion has stories of a flood ........

Maybe its the same flood :gob:

blue rider

24th May 2014, 07:43

there is a rockstar economy or there isn't, or well what ever

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21602698-how-make-rich-worlds-recovery-stronger-and-safer-need-new-oomph

mashman

24th May 2014, 09:01

there is a rockstar economy or there isn't, or well what ever

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21602698-how-make-rich-worlds-recovery-stronger-and-safer-need-new-oomph

I guess high street consumers don't rate a mention as the average wage looks good enough for 99% of people to live on quite comfortably. Can't wait to see the unpopular reforms.

bogan

24th May 2014, 11:28

If that was your impression of them in uni. I can openly tell you, you don't want them meet them in the street. The big talk continues......and sometimes get in the way of your work.
I am sure there are smart people in IPENZ. But in general it is full of stupid + ego.

I used to meet various elements of IPENZ in my dealings with the power/control industry. Apart from a few good papers. Majority of their stuff was ego chest beating.

You know the saying "Those who cannot do, teach"?
Well those who cannot teach - consult
And those who cannot consult (or are not respected to do so) - sell IPENZ.

Yeh, it such a one-directional approach, no consulting with the students to see what they thought of courses (post or undergrad), no headhunting of students to match em up to good jobs; that's where the big differences can be made.

I'm still trying to decondition myself :bleh:

Perhaps refrain from being so judgy until you have then...

Maybe its the same flood :gob:

Or maybe it's not a flood at all, maybe it is a metaphor. I mean geologists are pretty unanimous that no worldwide flood happened; but what would they know, right? :lol:

10bikekid

24th May 2014, 20:30

Or maybe it's not a flood at all, maybe it is a metaphor. I mean geologists are pretty unanimous that no worldwide flood happened; but what would they know, right? :lol:

Huge evidences for global floods so metaphor maybe not, And geologist are very aware of major flood evidence in many parts of the globe

http://discovermagazine.com/2012/jul-aug/06-biblical-type-floods-real-absolutely-enormous

http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/flood.html

Options on Global flood for those who can't accept the possibility

http://biologos.org/questions/genesis-flood

Brian d marge

24th May 2014, 20:49

Maybe its the same flood :gob:

Damn . . . . Didnt see that on the news

Mind u englands always been a bit damp

Stephen

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blue rider

24th May 2014, 21:08

[QUOTE=Brian d marge;1130724198]Damn . . . . Didnt see that on the news

Mind u englands always been a bit damp

Stephen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQ72fcHDUC8

10bikekid

24th May 2014, 21:21

Damn . . . . Didnt see that on the news

Mind u englands always been a bit damp

Stephen

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Can you read Japanese ?? ;)

And you've obviously not been to Christchurch lately :crazy:

bogan

24th May 2014, 21:42

Huge evidences for global floods so metaphor maybe not, And geologist are very aware of major flood evidence in many parts of the globe

http://discovermagazine.com/2012/jul-aug/06-biblical-type-floods-real-absolutely-enormous

http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/flood.html

Options on Global flood for those who can't accept the possibility

http://biologos.org/questions/genesis-flood

Major flood != worldwide flood. Like I said, metaphor.

10bikekid

24th May 2014, 21:52

Major flood != worldwide flood. Like I said, metaphor.

Your understanding of metaphor is perhaps different to most ?

IMHO having to swim in one is getting pretty real :confused:

bogan

24th May 2014, 21:55

Your understanding of metaphor is perhaps different to most ?

#Realtalk, what scale flood? and when did it happen? get the basics down then figure out what is metaphor and what is literal eh!

10bikekid

24th May 2014, 22:04

#Realtalk, what scale flood? and when did it happen? get the basics down then figure out what is metaphor and what is literal eh!

I understand its natural to need to be right and you can have that if makes you feel better, but those links have an enough info to give some answer to your questions without me repeating them

Brian d marge

24th May 2014, 22:16

Did noah get help from ecq

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bogan

24th May 2014, 22:25

I understand its natural to need to be right and you can have that if makes you feel better, but those links have an enough info to give some answer to your questions without me repeating them

Yeh, I thought so, vagueries are the currency of the unworthy. If they gave an actual answer, you would have no problem quantifying both scale and time; by calling you out on that lack, it saves everyone else the time of reading through such articles themselves...

mashman

25th May 2014, 10:28

So it's eroding at the base (http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27381010)... that bodes for some interesting imagery if they can see that.

mashman

25th May 2014, 10:29

Perhaps refrain from being so judgy until you have then...

I'm human, notto a robotto.

Ocean1

25th May 2014, 10:50

So it's eroding at the base (http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27381010)... that bodes for some interesting imagery if they can see that.

I read a report years ago, when climate change alarmism was still global warming alarmism that listed the pros and cons of a rise in sea level of a couple of metres over a few centuries.

The pros far outweighed the cons.

mashman

25th May 2014, 11:39

I read a report years ago, when climate change alarmism was still global warming alarmism that listed the pros and cons of a rise in sea level of a couple of metres over a few centuries.

The pros far outweighed the cons.

Are we prepared for that sort of rise in tide height? Wonder if a few marninas wouldn't need the odd tweak here and there. Something worth looking into I would have thought, but meh, that'd be pandering to alarmist bullshit, right?

Ocean1

25th May 2014, 14:13

Are we prepared for that sort of rise in tide height? Wonder if a few marninas wouldn't need the odd tweak here and there. Something worth looking into I would have thought, but meh, that'd be pandering to alarmist bullshit, right?

You can be alarmed if you like. Fact is the climate's never stopped changing, and every species has simple dealt with it and moved on.

How many centuries do you think a small portion of the most capable species the planet's ever know needs to move 1 Metre?

Well, p'raps you'd better start packing, but everyone else has enough time for a beer or two. :drinkup:

avgas

25th May 2014, 14:29

Yeh, it such a one-directional approach, no consulting with the students to see what they thought of courses (post or undergrad), no headhunting of students to match em up to good jobs; that's where the big differences can be made.
Yeah well it gets worse.
They stick their noses in and swing their weight around when you try and show a new way forward or new technology which goes against their 100 year old brains. The rest of the world calls it innovation.
Basically IPENZ acts like they are the IEEE where in fact they are a closer relation to the RSA.

10bikekid

25th May 2014, 17:43

it saves everyone else the time of reading through such articles themselves...

Good point, no need to read the actual info, if you say it it must be true and so should we follow :msn-wink:

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bogan

25th May 2014, 18:01

Good point, no need to read the actual info, if you say it it must be true and so should we follow :msn-wink:

It's a common tactic of the scientifically illiterate that I think is beneficial to point out to save time. Instead of putting their own interpretation on the science (which can be easily debunked of course), they simply restate their opinion vaguely and then suggest science backs it up (again, with no specifics like you have just done). Well science does not back up the foolish notion that a global flood occurred and that species were saved by getting on a boat, your articles do not say this. In fact in one of those links it specifically stated that did not happen, and it was just a local flood (which of course way back when travel was measured in km per day seemed like all of the everything).

To put it simply, there is not enough water in the world to cover all the land. Now, what exactly is Gilgamesh's ark actually a metaphor for, is up to the reader to decide, but one thing is certain, the literal meaning doesn't stack up.

That video would in fact be much more suited to those simply following the literal meaning of words in a book written by some bloke over 2,000 years ago; lemmings indeed.

10bikekid

25th May 2014, 20:27

It's a common tactic of the scientifically illiterate that I think is beneficial to point out to save time. Instead of putting their own interpretation on the science (which can be easily debunked of course), they simply restate their opinion vaguely and then suggest science backs it up (again, with no specifics like you have just done). Well science does not back up the foolish notion that a global flood occurred and that species were saved by getting on a boat, your articles do not say this. In fact in one of those links it specifically stated that did not happen, and it was just a local flood (which of course way back when travel was measured in km per day seemed like all of the everything).

To put it simply, there is not enough water in the world to cover all the land. Now, what exactly is Gilgamesh's ark actually a metaphor for, is up to the reader to decide, but one thing is certain, the literal meaning doesn't stack up.

That video would in fact be much more suited to those simply following the literal meaning of words in a book written by some bloke over 2,000 years ago; lemmings indeed.

Thanks for taking the time to read and to write comment,

Your original comments were directed at Geologist and not at the like of myself a non geologist like yourself, part of the references were to show that they are very aware of Global flooding, in fact its doubtfull that many of them would dispute that pretty much all the earth surface has evidently been under water or affected by major flooding and the fact that over 40 different culture groups would attest to that would only add weight to that.

There are several lines of thoughts as to the Noah flood account Global V localised and the fact that the original writings in Hebrew do not rule out either as the wording used could mean either.

What is in little doubt is that yes most if not all the planet has been under water at some stage and and given that and the possible Hebrew context you cannot rule out the Noah story on Geologist findings as you originally suggested.

nice chatting :bye:

bogan

25th May 2014, 20:51

Thanks for taking the time to read and to write comment,

Your original comments were directed at Geologist and not at the like of myself a non geologist like yourself, part of the references were to show that they are very aware of Global flooding, in fact its doubtfull that many of them would dispute that pretty much all the earth surface has evidently been under water or affected by major flooding and the fact that over 40 different culture groups would attest to that would only add weight to that.

There are several lines of thoughts as to the Noah flood account Global V localised and the fact that the original writings in Hebrew do not rule out either as the wording used could mean either.

What is in little doubt is that yes most if not all the planet has been under water at some stage and and given that and the possible Hebrew context you cannot rule out the Noah story on Geologist findings as you originally suggested.

My original comments were not directed at geologists; they were representative of geologist's opinions. They are aware of the fable about it, but do not think it could have happened.

Try reading http://www.amazon.com/The-Biblical-Flood-Response-Extrabiblical/dp/0802807194 not only does it discount a global flood based on a geologist's interpretation, he uses that as a case study to show how christians pick and choose science depending on how well it conforms to their literal interpretations of the bible.

And if it is only a local flood, then no worries about cramming species two by two into said arc, cos they can just move to higher ground (or not be in the flood to begin with) to save said species from extinction.