Stupid World

[Brian d marge]

There were quite a few to get through 6 million or more

And you could alway someone to open the door
Send em in through the window make room for the door to open


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[Woodman]

There were quite a few to get through 6 million or more

And you could alway someone to open the door
Send em in through the window make room for the door to open


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And bare in mind, that is only a picture of one gas chamber. For all we know it may be the only one with a door opening the wrong way. Hell it could have been the first one, and the rest after that were better designed.

But to a conspiracy theorist one picture among thousands of one door is evidence enough.

[Katman]

And bare in mind, that is only a picture of one gas chamber. For all we know it may be the only one with a door opening the wrong way. Hell it could have been the first one, and the rest after that were better designed.

And maybe that particular room wasn't a gas chamber.

And if it wasn't, why would we have been led to believe it was?

[Brian d marge]

And bare in mind, that is only a picture of one gas chamber. For all we know it may be the only one with a door opening the wrong way. Hell it could have been the first one, and the rest after that were better designed.

But to a conspiracy theorist one picture among thousands of one door is evidence enough.
Yes not all jerman engineers were competent
But then if the door opened the other way all the people would fall out ya would have to put a chair up against the door handle

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[Brian d marge]

And maybe that particular room wasn't a gas chamber.

And if it wasn't, why would we have been led to believe it was?
Walls have turned blue

Gas was there alright

Maybe thursday nights was vindaloo night

That would explain the door opening into the room

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[Voltaire]

So how many of you have ever visited a Nazi concentration camp?....Guessing none.

[Woodman]

And maybe that particular room wasn't a gas chamber.

And if it wasn't, why would we have been led to believe it was?

Nobody has ever tried to make me believe that that picture Yokel put up is a gas chamber. Why would you jump to that conclusion?

[jonbuoy]

Went to Sachsenhausen last year. Interesting and creepy place. Lots of transcripts and documents. No gas chamber as it was a work camp not an extermination camp. When they did start to knock Jewish, gay, political prisoners off they told them they were going for a medical exam. Told them to turn around with their back to the wall a small hatch opened behind them and a gun was put to the back of their heads and a soldier pulled the trigger.

There were some reports asking questions about how to make it less stressful for the soldier pulling the trigger. Limiting the number of times each soldier had to do it etc... A lot of the information we have now on the effects of hypothermia - time to death, maximum resuscitation time, lethal electrical current, lethal dose of certain chemicals comes from Nazi human experiments.

To get to the camp via train you follow the same train line and walk the same route through the small town as the prisoners did - we were in a large tour group. It must be strange for the townsfolk to see constant reminders of tourists following the routes that the prisoners did on a daily basis. Strange for us also when you catch the eye of an residents and wonder about their family involvement.

[Brian d marge]

So how many of you have ever visited a Nazi concentration camp?....Guessing none.
U havent seen the wife

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[jonbuoy]

So how many of you have ever visited a Nazi concentration camp?....Guessing none.

If Yokel ever makes it out of Tauranga and visits one I would recommend he keeps his comments and theories to himself for the duration of the tour and his time in Germany, he's likely to get filled in otherwise.

[J.A.W.]

If Yokel ever makes it out of Tauranga and visits one I would recommend he keeps his comments and theories to himself for the duration of the tour and his time in Germany, he's likely to get filled in otherwise.

Oh the delicious irony!

Dealt to by zealous over-authority for being himself.. ol' Adolf would surely approve..

( Cue video of Sid Vicious sporting - Nazi swastika - as ironic anti-authoritarian symbol from 40 years ago.. have we really learned nothing?)

[Katman]

Guessing none.

I have.

What's your point?

[Katman]

When they did start to knock Jewish, gay, political prisoners off they told them they were going for a medical exam. Told them to turn around with their back to the wall a small hatch opened behind them and a gun was put to the back of their heads and a soldier pulled the trigger.

And the rest in the line didn't hear the gunshots?

[oldrider]

So how many of you have ever visited a Nazi concentration camp?....Guessing none.

One doesn't have to visit such things - Sky TV etc will be broadcasting it all ad infinitum in case anyone might forget and think it didn't happen!

Same such incidents go completely unnoticed as would this one were it not for the fact that it happened to the Jews - I.E. Palestine anyone? :rolleyes:

[Voltaire]

One doesn't have to visit such things - Sky TV etc will be broadcasting it all ad infinitum in case anyone might forget and think it didn't happen!

Same such incidents go completely unnoticed as would this one were it not for the fact that it happened to the Jews - I.E. Palestine anyone? :rolleyes:

The very reason why you should visit one.
Also suggest visiting the huge cemeteries on the Western Front.
Interesting to see what's happening in Saudi and Iran, barely gets a mention here.
The differences between Sunni and Shia make interesting reading, much like Medieval Europe.

[jonbuoy]

And the rest in the line didn't hear the gunshots?

It was in a seperate part of the camp thick walls taken over one by one. Which camp did you visit?

[oldrider]

The very reason why you should visit one.
Also suggest visiting the huge cemeteries on the Western Front.
Interesting to see what's happening in Saudi and Iran, barely gets a mention here.
The differences between Sunni and Shia make interesting reading, much like Medieval Europe.

Would have done that but when I was over there and going to do Europe etc things were more than a little untidy in France at that time!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961

So I signed back unto my ship and sailed home! - Always intended to do it later but got married and never went back!

Suspicious that current Saudi - Iran Sunny/Shia situation is at the behest of the United States of Israel looking for a reason to attack Iran - (simply intuitive).

Fortunately there is not a thought police force in NZ yet but no thanks to some KB posters! :lol: They will probably get their wish eventually though! :facepalm:

[yokel]

Your historian was sentenced and served prison time you dipstick.
He also implied you would have to be retarded to think there was no Nazi gas chambers. He obviously had you in mind when he thought retard............

As for the rest of the other blah blah. You are a retard.

What exactly do you mean by "Your historian" ya dopey c@#t?

That doesn't change the fact the mass homicidal gas chambers don't exist.


Nobody has ever tried to make me believe that that picture Yokel put up is a gas chamber. Why would you jump to that conclusion?

I've asked husaberg repeatedly to post details on the gas chambers eg pictures,plains details on how the chambers function shit like that.
So far only had retarded jibber jabber and that's all I'm ever going to get by the looks of it.

If you can find better examples of the alleged gas chambers? then I'd like to see them.

[Ocean1]

Interesting to see what's happening in Saudi and Iran, barely gets a mention here.
The differences between Sunni and Shia make interesting reading, much like Medieval Europe.

Not the usual argument about who's imaginary friend is real.

They've argued about who was in his will for 2 millennia.

[husaberg]

What exactly do you mean by "Your historian" ya dopey c@#t?

That doesn't change the fact the mass homicidal gas chambers don't exist.



I've asked husaberg repeatedly to post details on the gas chambers eg pictures,plains details on how the chambers function shit like that.
So far only had retarded jibber jabber and that's all I'm ever going to get by the looks of it.

If you can find better examples of the alleged gas chambers? then I'd like to see them.

You posted a David Irving video and stupidly claimed he was evidence that the holocaust never happened, as he was an expert, only you didn't know he had fully recanted and apologised . You looked very silly, You still do. It makes me chuckle every time you post.

Within days of sentencing Irving, talking from prison reverted to a strongly anti-semitic position.
On 28 February, Irving once again questioned the Holocaust, asking "Given the ruthless efficiency of the Germans, if there was an extermination programme to kill all the Jews, how come so many survived?" He claimed that the number of people gassed in was relatively small, and that his earlier claims that there had been no gassing at all had been a "methodological error". According to Irving, "You could say that millions died, but not at Auschwitz"
So even from prison (after sentencing) the strongest antisemtic and likely solitary Holocaust disbeliever historian even admits millions died and people were gasings at Auschwitz.

As for the rest. You actually have to prove that what everyone knows happened is actually false.
To do this you need to prove the hundreds of thousands of witnesses were wrong.
As you have no evidence at all (other than what you think happened in your deluded mind.)
Thus you look like a pathetic moron every time you post and ask, In case you can't quite get it. You are a stupid pathetic moron.

For the record, I have previously posted documents, plans, telexes, train schedules and witness testimony.
Your trolling is also becoming boring. No wonder you had to buy a mail order bride.

[Woodman]

What exactly do you mean by "Your historian" ya dopey c@#t?

That doesn't change the fact the mass homicidal gas chambers don't exist.



I've asked husaberg repeatedly to post details on the gas chambers eg pictures,plains details on how the chambers function shit like that.
So far only had retarded jibber jabber and that's all I'm ever going to get by the looks of it.

If you can find better examples of the alleged gas chambers? then I'd like to see them.

http://www.interest.co.nz/sites/default/files/embedded_images/image/nolan-dec-2.gif

[jonbuoy]

Would have done that but when I was over there and going to do Europe etc things were more than a little untidy in France at that time!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_massacre_of_1961

So I signed back unto my ship and sailed home! - Always intended to do it later but got married and never went back!

Suspicious that current Saudi - Iran Sunny/Shia situation is at the behest of the United States of Israel looking for a reason to attack Iran - (simply intuitive).

Fortunately there is not a thought police force in NZ yet but no thanks to some KB posters! :lol: They will probably get their wish eventually though! :facepalm:

Lucky the Nazis aren't in charge eh? They were all for free speech.

[oldrider]

Brief but to the point? http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/12082899/The-Sunni-and-Shia-muslim-split-explained-in-90-seconds.html

[yokel]

Went to Sachsenhausen last year. Interesting and creepy place. Lots of transcripts and documents. No gas chamber as it was a work camp not an extermination camp. When they did start to knock Jewish, gay, political prisoners off they told them they were going for a medical exam. Told them to turn around with their back to the wall a small hatch opened behind them and a gun was put to the back of their heads and a soldier pulled the trigger.

There were some reports asking questions about how to make it less stressful for the soldier pulling the trigger. Limiting the number of times each soldier had to do it etc... A lot of the information we have now on the effects of hypothermia - time to death, maximum resuscitation time, lethal electrical current, lethal dose of certain chemicals comes from Nazi human experiments.

To get to the camp via train you follow the same train line and walk the same route through the small town as the prisoners did - we were in a large tour group. It must be strange for the townsfolk to see constant reminders of tourists following the routes that the prisoners did on a daily basis. Strange for us also when you catch the eye of an residents and wonder about their family involvement.

Is that why they had jews running the gassing and cremation operation.
Because it's less stressful for the soldiers?

I'm sure the nazis did some bad things, but there was a war going on with a fuck ton of killing and dead people stinking up the place.

[Katman]

It was in a seperate part of the camp thick walls taken over one by one. Which camp did you visit?

Wow, that must have taken some time.

Did they clean the blood away before each one?

[oldrider]

Lucky the Nazis aren't in charge eh? They were all for free speech.

You can do better than that jonbuoy you are bleating like the other sheep that you follow - try thinking for yourself - you can do it you know! :shifty:

[J.A.W.]

You posted a David Irving video and stupidly claimed he was evidence that the holocaust never happened, as he was an expert, only you didn't know he had fully recanted and apologised . You looked very silly, You still do. It makes me chuckle every time you post.

& like you didn't know that Irving, - like Galileo before him - "recanted" under duress of imprisonment sanction..

You as usual fail to note that Irving's contention - & he'd provided evidence, from primary research - that the
so-called 'holocaust'was an ad-hoc wartime emergency expedient by an extremist regime, & not in fact Adolf's longstanding plan..

Even Bibi, current boss of 'Israel' acknowledges this.. & he, Adolf & Irving, are in fact, no more disingenuous than you...

[jonbuoy]

Wow, that must have taken some time.

Did they clean the blood away before each one?

It wasn't done on a minute by minute basis. They had a special team of prisoners seperate from the camp to clean up the mess. Which camp did you visit? Did you not believe it happened when you visited? Did you ask pertinent questions on the tour?

[jonbuoy]

You can do better than that jonbuoy you are bleating like the other sheep that you follow - try thinking for yourself - you can do it you know! :shifty:

I do think for myself - I went to the camps and museums and made my own decision.

[Katman]

It wasn't done on a minute by minute basis.

So they weren't a big player then?

[jonbuoy]

Is that why they had jews running the gassing and cremation operation.
Because it's less stressful for the soldiers?

I'm sure the nazis did some bad things, but there was a war going on with a fuck ton of killing and dead people stinking up the place.

If your genuinely interested book a flight go see the camps and museums in Poland and Germany. The tour guides are very helpful and as long as you ask questions respectfully they will give you answers. Just don't do anything insensitive like pose for selfies by the gallows like some do.

[jonbuoy]

So they weren't a big player then?

I think "only" a 100,000 or so. How many were processed at the one you went to?

[Katman]

The tour guides are very helpful and as long as you ask questions respectfully they will give you answers.

Oh, you're just precious.

:killingme

[yokel]

You posted a David Irving video and stupidly claimed he was evidence that the holocaust never happened, as he was an expert, only you didn't know he had fully recanted and apologised . You looked very silly, You still do. It makes me chuckle every time you post.

As for the rest. You actually have to prove that what everyone know is true is actually false.
To do this you need to prove the hundreds of thousands of witnesses were wrong.
As you have no evidence at all (other than what you think happened in your deluded mind.)
Thus you look like a pathetic moron every time you post and ask, In case you can't quite get it. You are a stupid pathetic moron.

For the record, I have previously posted documents plans telexes train schedules and witness testimony.
your trolling is also becoming boring

"he was evidence that the holocaust never happened" hahahahaha more jibber jabber.

What they try to pass off as gas chambers and the general operation of the extermination process means they are lying, so I'm going to take a small logical leap that they are also lying/ cherry picking the witnesses accounts.

lying is easy when people want to believe the lie.

https://youtu.be/5zaIZlui13w

[jonbuoy]

Oh, you're just precious.

:killingme

At least Yokel and Oldrider show a genuine interest in the subjects. You seem to just be here to be as offensive and argumentative as you can be. Just like you were in the biker down threads you used to haunt.

[husaberg]

"he was evidence that the holocaust never happened" hahahahaha more jibber jabber.

What they try to pass off as gas chambers and the general operation of the extermination process means they are lying, so I'm going to take a small logical leap that they are also lying/ cherry picking the witnesses accounts.

lying is easy when people want to believe the lie.


Its been clearly established in multiple threads that you have no ability to apply logic at all.
I guess ,its mostly because you are a retarded moron.

[Voltaire]

http://www.cagle.com/working/061214/jones.gif?359e68

When my Wife said she was leaving because of my obsession with The Monkees, I thought she was joking.

And then I saw her face.

[yokel]

If your genuinely interested book a flight go see the camps and museums in Poland and Germany. The tour guides are very helpful and as long as you ask questions respectfully they will give you answers. Just don't do anything insensitive like pose for selfies by the gallows like some do.

Yes, if I'm ever out that way I'd defiantly like to take a look.

but until then this will do https://youtu.be/z3TveySBlkQ

[Brian d marge]

Is that why they had jews running the gassing and cremation operation.
Because it's less stressful for the soldiers?

I'm sure the nazis did some bad things, but there was a war going on with a fuck ton of killing and dead people stinking up the place.
What do you think happens . .when europe woke up to find all the deckchairs covered with jerman towels

https://youtu.be/LuIJqF8av6I

Other horiffic crimes committed by ze jermans
Bahaus

Trabant . .a dkw copy

Beer . . .who the fk freezes beer

Actually I cant think of anything

most of the stuff has been top notch

With exception of their humour and propensity for towels on deck chairs

They hoed throught those 6 million quick smart an all

Efficient bunch zem jermans

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[Brian d marge]

& like you didn't know that Irving, - like Galileo before him - "recanted" under duress of imprisonment sanction..

You as usual fail to note that Irving's contention - & he'd provided evidence, from primary research - that the
so-called 'holocaust'was an ad-hoc wartime emergency expedient by an extremist regime, & not in fact Adolf's longstanding plan..

Even Bibi, current boss of 'Israel' acknowledges this.. & he, Adolf & Irving, are in fact, no more disingenuous than you...
Yes that was funny old bibi saying its was a mad musselman tat suggested torching the zionist . , sorry poor jewish people

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[Brian d marge]

http://www.cagle.com/working/061214/jones.gif?359e68

When my Wife said she was leaving because of my obsession with The Monkees, I thought she was joking.

And then I saw her face.
Hahahahaa the next line is. . . .

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[oldrider]

Your trolling is also becoming boring. No wonder you had to buy a mail order bride.

Pot kettle black? - boring? - Really? :scratch: :- http://uncensored.co.nz/2013/02/12/i-was-a-paid-internet-shill-how-shadowy-groups-manipulate-internet-opinion-and-debate/

[oldrider]

Yes, if I'm ever out that way I'd defiantly like to take a look.

but until then this will do https://youtu.be/z3TveySBlkQ

You could also take a look at Gaza - it's current and bigger than any of the Nazi camps and has been going for 69 years compared to 10max for the German camps!

Latest IDF atrocity: http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/no-grow-zone-idf-destroys-palestinian-crops-in-gaza/

[husaberg]

Pot kettle black? - boring? - Really? :scratch: :- http://uncensored.co.nz/2013/02/12/i-was-a-paid-internet-shill-how-shadowy-groups-manipulate-internet-opinion-and-debate/

hint...unlike you I don't have to read a link to a conspiracy site to know what to think, nor do I have to post Nazi era propaganda every other day or so , yet you do both.......So oldie how many days can you go without posting some sort of conspiracy crap.... Katman can't even do a week, I bet neither can you........


You could also take a look at Gaza - it's current and bigger than any of the Nazi camps and has been going for 69 years compared to 10max for the German camps!

Latest IDF atrocity: http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/no-grow-zone-idf-destroys-palestinian-crops-in-gaza/
Yet its population increases each year its one of the fasting growing populations in the world, it receives aid has an international airport ,people are free to leave anytime they want.

Can you please show me how the living condition are also the same in Gazza, as in WW2 concentration camps.
Maybe you could post a picture of all the gold fillings removed from the Gazza inhabitants, Show us all the Experiments carried out them and where they are tattoed, Lastly show me how they are worked to death.

As for your buffer zone link why is it you never mention why Egypt does the exact same.

A buffer zone was also created on the Egyptian side of the Gaza–Egypt border. In 2014, scores of homes in Rafah were destroyed for the buffer zone. According to Amnesty International, more than 800 homes had been destroyed and more than 1,000 families evicted. Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas agreed with the destruction of smuggling tunnels by flooding them, and then punishing the owners of the houses that contained entrances to the tunnels, including demolishing their houses, arguing that the tunnels had produced 1,800 millionaires, and were used for smuggling weapons, drugs, cash, and equipment for forging documents

That's right the Palestine president agreed with the destruction of the tunnels and houses.:facepalm:

[Voltaire]

Hahahahaa the next line is. . . .

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Glad you picked up on that " I'm a believer", The Monkees were part of a US Programme

Why was the train to Clarksville the last one?

Is Another Pleasant Valley Sunday a dig at the US Utopian dream of the 1060's or a commentary of the Vietnam war?

Was Davey Jones really MI 6?

[mashman]

You could also take a look at Gaza - it's current and bigger than any of the Nazi camps and has been going for 69 years compared to 10max for the German camps!

Latest IDF atrocity: http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/no-grow-zone-idf-destroys-palestinian-crops-in-gaza/

Genocide!!

[Katman]

https://theintercept.com/2015/12/18/heres-the-al-jazeera-article-on-saudi-arabia-you-cant-read-outside-the-u-s/

[mashman]

Oil down 10 percent after five-day drop; Goldman says more losses needed (http://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-oil-idUSKBN0UM01520160109)

Cheap crude threatens to deplete Russian reserves (https://www.rt.com/business/328369-cheap-crude-threatens-to-deplete/)

[mashman]

Muslim woman ejected from Trump rally after silent protest (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/world/a/30526323/muslim-woman-ejected-from-trump-rally-after-silent-protest/)

""There is hatred against us that is unbelievable," Trump told the rally, according to CNN, after Hamid and several others were ejected.

"It's their hatred. It's not our hatred.""

"Television footage from the event in South Carolina shows the woman, named as Rose Hamid, a 56-year-old flight attendant, wearing a head scarf and loose fitting green shirt reading "Salam. I come in peace." She stood in silence looking at the podium as the rest of the crowd sat."

"Hamid said one supporter of the billionaire real-estate mogul bawled at her: "You have a bomb, you have a bomb."

"The ugliness really came out fast and that's really scary," Hamid told CNN after Friday night's rally."

:killingme... fuckin idiot.

[oldrider]

Muslim woman ejected from Trump rally after silent protest (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/world/a/30526323/muslim-woman-ejected-from-trump-rally-after-silent-protest/)

""There is hatred against us that is unbelievable," Trump told the rally, according to CNN, after Hamid and several others were ejected.

"It's their hatred. It's not our hatred.""

"Television footage from the event in South Carolina shows the woman, named as Rose Hamid, a 56-year-old flight attendant, wearing a head scarf and loose fitting green shirt reading "Salam. I come in peace." She stood in silence looking at the podium as the rest of the crowd sat."

"Hamid said one supporter of the billionaire real-estate mogul bawled at her: "You have a bomb, you have a bomb."

"The ugliness really came out fast and that's really scary," Hamid told CNN after Friday night's rally."

:killingme... fuckin idiot.

Saw that on TV - T-shirt said she came in peace - but ole Donald and his buddies were havin none of that shit! - Only in America! :bye:

[Brian d marge]

What the bigger picture withold donald
He has the nod from the boys but why . . .
Either a. The place is going tits up

Or b. Ya want the votes taken away from your real fruit loop the one you really want to spout forth the lies

Sort of like a janet yellen

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[mashman]

Saw that on TV - T-shirt said she came in peace - but ole Donald and his buddies were havin none of that shit! - Only in America! :bye:

Did Trump ask to have her kicked out? I'd be surprised if he did (genuinely).

[Katman]

Did Trump ask to have her kicked out? I'd be surprised if he did (genuinely).

In typical "git 'er outta here" Trump fashion.

[oldrider]

Did Trump ask to have her kicked out? I'd be surprised if he did (genuinely).

That I really don't know but she could have stood there all night if they simply ignored her and let her be - she wasn't going to be a problem!

In the end their actions gave her the greater power IMHO. :corn:

[Brian d marge]

A woman standing there all night

Quietly

Tui

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[mashman]

That I really don't know but she could have stood there all night if they simply ignored her and let her be - she wasn't going to be a problem!

In the end their actions gave her the greater power IMHO. :corn:

T'was similar to what I was wondering too... which is why I'd be surprised(ish) that Trump had asked her to leave.


A woman standing there all night

Quietly

Tui

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She was Muslim :shifty:

[Brian d marge]

T'was similar to what I was wondering too... which is why I'd be surprised(ish) that Trump had asked her to leave.



She was Muslim :shifty:
Mate they even talk to snakes while munchin apple

Quiet at a trump convention

Not a chance

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[mashman]

Mate they even talk to snakes while munchin apple

Quiet at a trump convention

Not a chance

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Is that a red apple or a green one?

[Brian d marge]

Knowing my wife it was a granny smith

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[mashman]

Knowing my wife it was a granny smith

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Ah, I know that she doesn't talk with her mouth full so perhaps instead of a T-shirt next time she'll just eat an apple... so long as it's just a granny smith, none of this royal gala shite.

[Brian d marge]

She has a royal gala everytime i rock home at 3 in the morning . . Keeps using the legally responsible adjective in the negative sense

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[mashman]

Spying on Congress and Israel: NSA Cheerleaders Discover Value of Privacy Only When Their Own Is Violated (https://theintercept.com/2015/12/30/spying-on-congress-and-israel-nsa-cheerleaders-discover-value-of-privacy-only-when-their-own-is-violated/)

Federal judge: Drinking tea, shopping at a gardening store is probable cause for a SWAT raid on your home (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/12/28/federal-judge-drinking-tea-shopping-at-a-gardening-store-is-probable-cause-for-a-swat-raid-on-your-home/)

U.N. Peacekeeping in Crisis as Fresh Child Abuse Allegations Emerge in CAR (http://www.newsweek.com/un-peacekeeping-crisis-fresh-child-abuse-allegations-emerge-car-412302)

Pentagon: Hundreds of Military Kids Sexually Abused Annually (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/military-kids-sexually-abused-hundreds-times-year-36075580)

[mashman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmgHAT7IdDQ

[mashman]

World's 62 Richest As Wealthy As Poorest Half (https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/worlds-62-richest-wealthy-poorest-half-042929090.html)

"The Oxfam report, published ahead of the World Economic Forum in the Swiss ski resort of Davos, also said the wealth of the richest 1% - around 73 million out of the world's 7.3 billion people - was now as much as everyone else on the planet combined."... seems fair. After all, I'm sure they've all earned it from honest hard graft <_<

[J.A.W.]

World's 62 Richest As Wealthy As Poorest Half (https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/worlds-62-richest-wealthy-poorest-half-042929090.html)

"The Oxfam report, published ahead of the World Economic Forum in the Swiss ski resort of Davos, also said the wealth of the richest 1% - around 73 million out of the world's 7.3 billion people - was now as much as everyone else on the planet combined."... seems fair. After all, I'm sure they've all earned it from honest hard graft <_<


Crikey.. back in my day '1% er's' were filthy bikies.. ok, they weren't as filthy as hippies, or your actual 'Filth'.. but even so..

Gizzatt bleedin' job..

[Brian d marge]

gosh those dirty rotten venician english baskets . . .still we have the rule of law to protect us right?

The magna carta and all that


ummmmmmm nope my bad sorry

we could always ban currency and come of then petro dollar likr gadaffi and mad sad did

no wait that didnt work either

how about taunting them in s french style after all kingu arther got the message and bravely ran away . .....or was that sir robin??

he ho either way it dont look good

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[J.A.W.]

gosh those dirty rotten venician english baskets . . .still we have the rule of law to protect us right?

The magna carta and all that


ummmmmmm nope my bad sorry

we could always ban currency and come of then petro dollar likr gadaffi and mad sad did

no wait that didnt work either

how about taunting them in s french style after all kingu arther got the message and bravely ran away . .....or was that sir robin??

he ho either way it dont look good


Well, to be fair, the ol' M-P & the 'oly grail.. did advocate burning, as a reasonable remedy for bewitchment..

[mashman]

Damn Right Amazon Runs a Fucking Deficit and So Should America (https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/why-amazon-isn-t-a-fucking-idiot-and-runs-a-deficit-f9d5734b68ec#.box2b8njr)... :killingme@economic sense.

[Brian d marge]

Well, to be fair, the ol' M-P & the 'oly grail.. did advocate burning, as a reasonable remedy for bewitchment..
nail em up i say ......nail em up

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[Brian d marge]

Damn Right Amazon Runs a Fucking Deficit and So Should America (https://medium.com/@girlziplocked/why-amazon-isn-t-a-fucking-idiot-and-runs-a-deficit-f9d5734b68ec#.box2b8njr)... :killingme@economic sense.
yeah but at least amazon delivers

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[mashman]

yeah but at least amazon delivers

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Until they don't :shit: :shifty:

http://www.whatamimissinghere.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/95639_Europe-Kicking-the-Can-by-Hajo-de-Reijger-The-Netherlands-515x424.jpg

[Brian d marge]

redistribution of wealth you have wealth .,,,,,ups driver dont
he needs xmas presents
u have em

if its good enough for the east india company

its good enough for us

tis the new world order



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[Ocean1]

After all, I'm sure they've all earned it from honest hard graft <_<

So they stole it?

Or are you just anti-success?

Like this dude: http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/politics/tax-hike-among-labours-employment-policy-options/ar-BBonPVH?ocid=spartandhp

[mashman]

So they stole it?

Or are you just anti-success?

Like this dude: http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/politics/tax-hike-among-labours-employment-policy-options/ar-BBonPVH?ocid=spartandhp

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

You'll never know.

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

[SPman]

“Top of that list of vested interests has to be tax havens. Although they are currently legal, they serve no social purpose. These jurisdictions – characterised inter alia by high levels of secrecy and low or no tax rates – are fuelling the rise in inequality. As tax returns from wealthy companies and individuals disappear into this global network, governments are left with two options: cut back on the essential spending needed to build healthy societies and economies; or make up the shortfall by levying higher taxes on those less wealthy. Consequently, wealth is redistributed upwards, and the inequality gap grows.
Tax havens siphon billions from rich countries. But it is in the poorer countries where the impacts are felt most dramatically. Wealthy Africans’ use of tax havens cost African governments an estimated US$14 billion ($21.7 billion) in lost tax revenues in 2014. This is enough money to pay for healthcare that could save 4 million African children’s lives a year and employ enough teachers to get every African child into school. Just because it’s legal doesn’t make it right.”


http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11575717

How much more would NZ have in the kitty if tax havens were outlawed and people/companies had to pay tax in the country they earned the money?

[Ocean1]

Consequently, wealth is redistributed upwards, and the inequality gap grows.

But it's not growing.

318950

318951


Tax havens siphon billions from rich countries. But it is in the poorer countries where the impacts are felt most dramatically.

Absolutely. On the back of off-shore taxes they're thriving.

318952


How much more would NZ have in the kitty if tax havens were outlawed and people/companies had to pay tax in the country they earned the money?

Multinational domestic earnings are whatever they say they are, they just assign material and off-shore overheads until they're happy with the cross border results. Like Aus multinationals charging Head Office overheads to NZ entities until there's fuck all profit in NZ on which to pay tax. You could make rules to limit that, but they'd be so tortuous and convoluted they'd open up far more loopholes than they'd plug. We need to wait for the current international tax law agreement negotiations to come to some sort of unilateral conclusion, if we tried going alone we'd have fuck all industry by lunchtime tomorrow.

We also need to gang up on multinational monopolies to stop them gouging off-shore markets, that's potentially costing us more than any less than optimal tax rules.

[Brian d marge]

But it's not growing.

318950

318951



Absolutely. On the back of off-shore taxes they're thriving.

318952



Multinational domestic earnings are whatever they say they are, they just assign material and off-shore overheads until they're happy with the cross border results. Like Aus multinationals charging Head Office overheads to NZ entities until there's fuck all profit in NZ on which to pay tax. You could make rules to limit that, but they'd be so tortuous and convoluted they'd open up far more loopholes than they'd plug. We need to wait for the current international tax law agreement negotiations to come to some sort of unilateral conclusion, if we tried going alone we'd have fuck all industry by lunchtime tomorrow.

We also need to gang up on multinational monopolies to stop them gouging off-shore markets, that's potentially costing us more than any less than optimal tax rules.
I was going to launch into a negative along the lines of

wtf are u on whillis

but them interesting graphs

Prosperity is fading s
and has been since the turn of the century

Here I agree

I would say since the mid to late 1800s

but then wealth of the 1% hmmmmm thats a long bow to draw



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[mashman]

How much more would NZ have in the kitty if tax havens were outlawed and people/companies had to pay tax in the country they earned the money?

None... because they'd all fuck off elsewhere, apparently. Too big to jail, then get your buddies to change the law.

[Brian d marge]

u can generate a lot of tax revenue from an expanding stock market helps pay overseas debt as does inflation .. thats why its to good eerrrr big to fail

they ....not shonkey hes just there for looks, and to smile and say ,,,,thats whack...the real movers and shakers make second hand car dealer look like saints

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[mashman]

More National Guard troops move into Flint as Water Crisis widens (https://www.instagram.com/p/BAsyYb5v1F2/)... yay, free bottled water. Maybe they shoulda done it properly first time around. Doh, yeah, they chose not to afford it :facepalm:

[Akzle]

But it's not growing.

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Absolutely. On the back of off-shore taxes they're thriving.

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Multinational domestic earnings are whatever they say they are, they just assign material and off-shore overheads until they're happy with the cross border results. Like Aus multinationals charging Head Office overheads to NZ entities until there's fuck all profit in NZ on which to pay tax. You could make rules to limit that, but they'd be so tortuous and convoluted they'd open up far more loopholes than they'd plug. We need to wait for the current international tax law agreement negotiations to come to some sort of unilateral conclusion, if we tried going alone we'd have fuck all industry by lunchtime tomorrow.

We also need to gang up on multinational monopolies to stop them gouging off-shore markets, that's potentially costing us more than any less than optimal tax rules.

the sad bit is, you actually believe (in) this shit. you're not just trolling.

[bogan]

Absolutely. On the back of off-shore taxes they're thriving.

Absolute poverty is pretty much a swear word around here with all the entitlement complexes determined to have as much as the 'neighbors' whether they earn it or not.

But honestly, there's no other metric worth using.

That income equality graph is also interesting, perhaps one of the 'astute' regulars to this thread might note that income is not wealth. But again, income is a far better metric to use, though it also doesn't run to the doom and gloom conclusions the stupid worlders would have you believe.

So, fuck yeh, onwards and upwards I say!

[Ocean1]

I was going to launch into a negative along the lines of

wtf are u on whillis

but them interesting graphs

Prosperity is fading s
and has been since the turn of the century

Here I agree

I would say since the mid to late 1800s

but then wealth of the 1% hmmmmm thats a long bow to draw



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No bow pulling whatsoever, them's the unadulterated numbers, like it or not.

And wrong again, prosperity is far from fading. Have a wee scroll through the dates: http://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/datamaps/gdpPerCapitaSince1_maddison/gdpPerCapitaSince1_maddison.html

[Ocean1]

the sad bit is, you actually believe (in) this shit. you're not just trolling.

Facts?

Ohyeah, can't beat 'em. You should try.

Oh wait, that's what you do, innit?

[Ocean1]

Absolute poverty is pretty much a swear word around here with all the entitlement complexes determined to have as much as the 'neighbors' whether they earn it or not.

But honestly, there's no other metric worth using.

That income equality graph is also interesting, perhaps one of the 'astute' regulars to this thread might note that income is not wealth. But again, income is a far better metric to use, though it also doesn't run to the doom and gloom conclusions the stupid worlders would have you believe.

So, fuck yeh, onwards and upwards I say!

It's also verboten to observe that in spite of all of the alleged endemic tax avoidance those top 1% pay 34% of the tax take. And that's the US, home of the tax dodge.

Last time I looked, in NZ the top 5% family's contribution was 47%.

[mashman]

Facts?

:facepalm: You have none. What you have produced is a best guess. No more. No less.

[Brian d marge]

No bow pulling whatsoever, them's the unadulterated numbers, like it or not.

And wrong again, prosperity is far from fading. Have a wee scroll through the dates: http://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/datamaps/gdpPerCapitaSince1_maddison/gdpPerCapitaSince1_maddison.html
No sorry

but you will have wait until I get home for a answer

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[Ocean1]

:facepalm: You have none. What you have produced is a best guess. No more. No less.

No, no, they're facts.

But even if they were utterly outrageous guesses they'd still be closer to solid fact than anything you've got.

[Ocean1]

No sorry

but you will have wait until I get home for a answer

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You're not actually interested in the facts, then.

Just "no, you're wrong, the facts don't matter and I'll work out why later."

Edit: Actually, don't bother, go argue with these dudes: http://www.rug.nl/search/?searchtext=gdp+per+capita+1950-+2010+excel+

[J.A.W.]

No, no, they're facts.
But even if they were utterly outrageous guesses they'd still be closer to solid fact than anything you've got.


& to quote a resident regular Homo Erectus, viz: Bogus.. "Irregardless... citation needed..." L.O.L...

You cannot be seriously defending those parasites..
.. its not even close - to being like the situation George Harrison sang about in 'Tax Man'..

[Ocean1]

& to quote a resident regular Homo Erectus, viz: Bogus.. "Irregardless... citation needed...".

Right there. ^


You cannot be seriously defending those parasites..
.. its not even close - to being like the situation George Harrison sang about in 'Tax Man'..

The world's wealthiest are parasites, now?

Gwarne, fuck the broken old union dogma off eh?

[Katman]

The world's wealthiest are parasites, now?


They always were.

[bogan]

What about Elon Musk?

[mashman]

No, no, they're facts.

But even if they were utterly outrageous guesses they'd still be closer to solid fact than anything you've got.

Not even one of NZ's leading statisticians, when "cornered", had the temerity to claim that the gathering and crunching of data was fact. Have you ever watched statistical calculations as they run? I have. Do you know that as the calculations run they discard anything that breaks the calculation (outliers). So no, you have best guess.

:killingme@outrageous guesses. Where's the fat kid when you need someone to cry hyperbole.

[bogan]

Not even one of NZ's leading statisticians, when "cornered", had the temerity to claim that the gathering and crunching of data was fact. Have you ever watched statistical calculations as they run? I have. Do you know that as the calculations run they discard anything that breaks the calculation (outliers). So no, you have best guess.

:killingme@outrageous guesses. Where's the fat kid when you need someone to cry hyperbole.

If you read the link Ocean put up, you'll find no outliers were discarded, in fact the very thing being examined is the 1%, by definition, a statistical outlier :facepalm:

The funny thing is, even your rebuttals are just outrageous guesses :killingme

[Ocean1]

Not even one of NZ's leading statisticians, when "cornered", had the temerity to claim that the gathering and crunching of data was fact. Have you ever watched statistical calculations as they run? I have. Do you know that as the calculations run they discard anything that breaks the calculation (outliers). So no, you have best guess.

:killingme@outrageous guesses. Where's the fat kid when you need someone to cry hyperbole.

So you still got fuck all, eh?

[mashman]

If you read the link Ocean put up, you'll find no outliers were discarded, in fact the very thing being examined is the 1%, by definition, a statistical outlier :facepalm:

The funny thing is, even your rebuttals are just outrageous guesses :killingme

So what you're really saying is that you have no idea how these calculations actually run either. The calculations discard the outliers else the program breaks and you don't get a result i.e. no pretty graph and no answers.

Nah, that's just your ignorance and cognitive bias showing...

[Ocean1]

They always were.

And obviously even you could be that productive if you really really wanted to...

Nevermind, at least you've got self pity.

[mashman]

So you still got fuck all, eh?

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I thought you might have known these things given your live by the report die by the report stance. T'would seem not. Well I have knowledge... you have blind, and ignorant, faith. Chur bro.

[Ocean1]

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. I thought you might have known these things given your live by the report die by the report stance. T'would seem not. Well I have knowledge... you have blind, and ignorant, faith. Chur bro.

Thought so.

[mashman]

Thought so.

You, thinking? I highly doubt it.

[Katman]

And obviously even you could be that productive if you really really wanted to...

I've got far too many scruples.

[Brian d marge]

You're not actually interested in the facts, then.

Just "no, you're wrong, the facts don't matter and I'll work out why later."

Edit: Actually, don't bother, go argue with these dudes: http://www.rug.nl/search/?searchtext=gdp+per+capita+1950-+2010+excel+
no
i found your answer very interesting
but all the other evidence ive read indicates otherwise

and ive read a lot

so i would like to give you the benefit of doubt

its as simple as that



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[Brian d marge]

Not even one of NZ's leading statisticians, when "cornered", had the temerity to claim that the gathering and crunching of data was fact. Have you ever watched statistical calculations as they run? I have. Do you know that as the calculations run they discard anything that breaks the calculation (outliers). So no, you have best guess.

:killingme@outrageous guesses. Where's the fat kid when you need someone to cry hyperbole.
dont call him fat

thats my job

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[Ocean1]

I've got far too many scruples.

You've also got the tax they pay, which amounts to most of it.

Y'know, just 'cause you can't quite manage on your own efforts.

You should say thank you, rich pricks.

[bogan]

So what you're really saying is that you have no idea how these calculations actually run either. The calculations discard the outliers else the program breaks and you don't get a result i.e. no pretty graph and no answers.

Nah, that's just your ignorance and cognitive bias showing...

Incorrect.

In a general senese you actually graph all results, and if outliers are seen, investigate and remove if they are erroneous. Ie, if somebody mistyped and recorded a pommy git from welly earning 359billion, they'd see it on the graph and go hang on, that doesn't seem right, check back and go nah mate, this guy is clearly up to fuck all and someone added about 9 too many zeroes; so they then fix the data entry mistake.

But if you're just going to sit in the dunce corner flinging insults, I'll leave you with it, at least you're in the properly titled thread this time...


no
i found your answer very interesting
but all the other evidence ive read indicates otherwise

and ive read a lot

so i would like to give you the benefit of doubt

its as simple as that

Actually, if you're as well read as you claim, it's as simple as reading what he posted and pointing out how/why it is inaccurate.

[Katman]

You should say thank you, rich pricks.

Thanks, but I'll say fuck you instead.

[Brian d marge]

Incorrect.

In a general senese you actually graph all results, and if outliers are seen, investigate and remove if they are erroneous. Ie, if somebody mistyped and recorded a pommy git from welly earning 359billion, they'd see it on the graph and go hang on, that doesn't seem right, check back and go nah mate, this guy is clearly up to fuck all and someone added about 9 too many zeroes; so they then fix the data entry mistake.

But if you're just going to sit in the dunce corner flinging insults, I'll leave you with it, at least you're in the properly titled thread this time...



Actually, if you're as well read as you claim, it's as simple as reading what he posted and pointing out how/why it is inaccurate.

now we aare back on track

pure garbage

as an engineer even when u know the results more often or not u will be using a line of best fit

if and only if all the planets line up on yur great grandmother 101st birthday you may get close to a exact repeatable result exact is the wrong word

so back on topic

bin sultan and george soros worked their arses off and though hard work and good fortune they became rich

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160119/bb4315be1c4ad24ccfa328677d7f5da3.jpg

its not tui but im adaptable


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[Ocean1]

Thanks, but I'll say fuck you instead.

Fuck all rich about me, dude, I'm the one earning just enough to be in the group paying the most tax.

http://www.beehive.govt.nz/sites/all/files/Net_Tax_Paid_by_Households,_estimated_for_the_tax_ year_ending_31_March_2015.png

[Katman]

Fuck all rich about me, dude

I wasn't saying fuck you to you though.

There's those lack of comprehension skills again.

[Brian d marge]

Fuck all rich about me, dude, I'm the one earning just enough to be in the group paying the most tax.

http://www.beehive.govt.nz/sites/all/files/Net_Tax_Paid_by_Households,_estimated_for_the_tax_ year_ending_31_March_2015.png
thanks

us poor appreciate ur efforts

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[Ocean1]

I wasn't saying fuck you to you though.

There's those lack of comprehension skills again.

*Shrugs* Fuck you @ the rich pricks is fucking ungracious though.

They not only pay the tab for govt spending but cover the tip for those that don't.

[mashman]

Incorrect.

In a general senese you actually graph all results, and if outliers are seen, investigate and remove if they are erroneous. Ie, if somebody mistyped and recorded a pommy git from welly earning 359billion, they'd see it on the graph and go hang on, that doesn't seem right, check back and go nah mate, this guy is clearly up to fuck all and someone added about 9 too many zeroes; so they then fix the data entry mistake.

But if you're just going to sit in the dunce corner flinging insults, I'll leave you with it, at least you're in the properly titled thread this time...

Actually, if you're as well read as you claim, it's as simple as reading what he posted and pointing out how/why it is inaccurate.

Yes, there are outliers that are removed at both ends of the dataset before the data is crunched... however when the program runs it automatically removes outliers, again at both ends, that would otherwise break the program. There is no data fix for this. If you wish to stop the removal of some of the program discarded outliers, then the method being used must have a parameter/weighting "refined".

What insults?

I'm not claiming that I'm well read, I'm claiming that I've actually seen it happen i.e. watched with breakpoints, siphoned off the outliers before they're automatically removed for further analysis (not data fixing). I was given a book to read in order to help me get my head around the methods being used and how the outcomes were being formed, but that was just 1 book briefly covering 5 or 6 "methodologies".

[Katman]

*Shrugs* Fuck you @ the rich pricks is fucking ungracious though.

It's from the heart though.

[bogan]

now we aare back on track

pure garbage

as an engineer even when u know the results more often or not u will be using a line of best fit

if and only if all the planets line up on yur great grandmother 101st birthday you may get close to a exact repeatable result exact is the wrong word

so back on topic

bin sultan and george soros worked their arses off and though hard work and good fortune they became rich

You're getting confused about how to apply stats. A line of best fit is not necessarily something that applies to surveys, however it does applies to physical laws and the like. So it's another strawman, and no valid points raised about the article in question (which didn't even have a straight line fitted, just in case you missed that bit :facepalm:).

[bogan]

Yes, there are outliers that are removed at both ends of the dataset before the data is crunched... however when the program runs it automatically removes outliers, again at both ends, that would otherwise break the program. There is no data fix for this. If you wish to stop the removal of some of the program discarded outliers, then the method being used must have a parameter/weighting "refined".

What insults?

I'm not claiming that I'm well read, I'm claiming that I've actually seen it happen i.e. watched with breakpoints, siphoned off the outliers before they're automatically removed for further analysis (not data fixing). I was given a book to read in order to help me get my head around the methods being used and how the outcomes were being formed, but that was just 1 book briefly covering 5 or 6 "methodologies".

That's misapplication of methodology. If you'd read what Ocean posted you'd know that wasn't the case in that one, nor is it the case in any other where proper scientific method is observed.

That was directed at another poster entirely, hence why I quoted him. Perhaps you should just start with read.

[mashman]

That's misapplication of methodology. If you'd read what Ocean posted you'd know that wasn't the case in that one, nor is it the case in any other where proper scientific method is observed.

That was directed at another poster entirely, hence why I quoted him. Perhaps you should just start with read.

Is it? I'll tell him that his entire distinguished career has been a sham the next time I see him. I'm sure he'll thank you for it.

So it was, my bad.

[bogan]

Is it? I'll tell him that his entire distinguished career has been a sham the next time I see him. I'm sure he'll thank you for it.

Seems to me you've already been lamenting the whole field as a sham based on his work, so it would be only courteous to say it to his face.

The misapplication to which I refer is you assuming such a method is used in the article under discussion; it's not, you'd know that if you read it and understood it.

[J.A.W.]

Seems to me you've already been lamenting the whole field as a sham based on his work, so it would be only courteous to say it to his face.

The misapplication to which I refer is you assuming such a method is used in the article under discussion; it's not, you'd know that if you read it and understood it.


Spare me bloody days..

Bogus, your whole inchoate blather act - is nought but a lame rehash of old 'Harry Worth' routines..

[mashman]

Seems to me you've already been lamenting the whole field as a sham based on his work, so it would be only courteous to say it to his face.

The misapplication to which I refer is you assuming such a method is used in the article under discussion; it's not, you'd know that if you read it and understood it.

I was the one who "cornered" him. Been there, done that and gained understanding of his work. Something you should try someday.

I read it. I understood it. It's still best guess. You'd know that if you had any actual experience with these things. You quite obviously don't... but please carry on.

[mashman]

Spare me bloody days..

Bogus, your whole inchoate blather act - is nought but a lame rehash of old 'Harry Worth' routines..

Nah, he's just too shy to walk away and would rather I laughed at him. Kinda sweet really.

[Brian d marge]

You're getting confused about how to apply stats. A line of best fit is not necessarily something that applies to surveys, however it does applies to physical laws and the like. So it's another strawman, and no valid points raised about the article in question (which didn't even have a straight line fitted, just in case you missed that bit :facepalm:).
no not confused

i use stats when setting up tolerances of drawings H7/h6

If that aint a statistical fit i dont know what is

as for article quoted . . Im not sure which one u are referring to

Ocean the dear chap had some charts which showed how we are all doing fine finerer thanks to the like of bin sultan big daddie warburgs and uncle george (soros)

cos they paid taxes and all ( they do and is a good reason why they are to big to fail cos places like london need the tax take )
Now Ive read a fair bit and not often do u see texts sayin its all good in the emerald city with me green glasses on
but I will look into it and return ....
already ... if u look at the title... gdp to population.....all it would need is one lord palmerston or a prescott to lift the average up but i wont comment untill ive read it

finally never had a thing for strawmen ,...always preferred Dorothy me self




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[bogan]

no not confused

i use stats when setting up tolerances of drawings H7/h6

If that aint a statistical fit i dont know what is

as for article quoted . . Im not sure which one u are referring to

Ocean the dear chap had some charts which showed how we are all doing fine finerer thanks to the like of bin sultan big daddie warburgs and uncle george (soros)

cos they paid taxes and all ( they do and is a good reason why they are to big to fail cos places like london need the tax take )
Now Ive read a fair bit and not often do u see texts sayin its all good in the emerald city with me green glasses on
but I will look into it and return ....
already ... if u look at the title... gdp to population.....all it would need is one lord palmerston or a prescott to lift the average up but i wont comment untill ive read it

finally never had a thing for strawmen ,...always preferred Dorothy me self




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Yeh, you're defintely confused about em, income stats has fuck all to do with setting engineering tolerances. You don't fit a straight line to income stats. The article from which the graph's ocean posted is of course what is being referred to, again, something you'd know if you were <s>well</s> read. The only people bringing up such straight line fits are those playing with strawmen.


I read it. I understood it.

So, specifically, which bit refers to the removal of outliers?

[mashman]

So, specifically, which bit refers to the removal of outliers?

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa... so you've got nothing then, not even an understanding of how the actual programs that create these stats work. How about you summarise it for the boys and girls instead :killingme :crybaby: :killingme

[Brian d marge]

Yeh, you're defintely confused about em, income stats has fuck all to do with setting engineering tolerances. You don't fit a straight line to income stats. The article from which the graph's ocean posted is of course what is being referred to, again, something you'd know if you were <s>well</s> read. The only people bringing up such straight line fits are those playing with strawmen.



So, specifically, which bit refers to the removal of outliers?

Mate only you are talking about fitting straight lines to income stats .... and as for the article seems your reading skills aint what they used to be
As I pointed out I haven't had the chance to read the article , which is why I differed and gave Ocean the benefit of the doubt UNTIL I could read the article . That is what I said .....

forget straw-man arguments , you just need to get the basics right first ..

In the mean time , wander downstairs , have a look at someone working , say an NC machine , somewhere near the machine there will be a clip board with all the measurements on it , upper deviations and lower .... good luck with those straight lines ..............

[Brian d marge]

You're not actually interested in the facts, then.

Just "no, you're wrong, the facts don't matter and I'll work out why later."

Edit: Actually, don't bother, go argue with these dudes: http://www.rug.nl/search/?searchtext=gdp+per+capita+1950-+2010+excel+

do you actually read those links.

first one, the funding:

INET was founded with an initial pledge of $50 million from George Soros (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros). It has since been supplemented by donations from James Balsillie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Balsillie) and William H. Janeway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Janeway), together with other philanthropists and financiers, including Paul Volcker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Volcker), David Rockefeller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller), the Malcolm Hewitt Wiener Foundation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_H._Wiener), the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_P._Sloan_Foundation), the Carnegie Corporation of New York (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_Corporation_of_New_York), and Stiftung Mercator (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stiftung_Mercator&action=edit&redlink=1).

Thats like being a turkey at Christmas trusting a farmer with a sharp knife .......

But IF you would like to go into prosperity , im more than willing .....

Secondly the very good excel sheet you provided , very good I might add ... but Im not sure you either A; read it or B; understood it

from that data range if you graph the data , ( simply cut paste , graph ) ...you get


318986which is for NZ gdp against, relative to America ...( england is produces a slightly flatter curve )

So , my dear fellow it seems that according to George sorros and Uncle rocky we are doing quite well but here in nz WHEN you actually look ( at the data YOU provided ) ...our GDP relative to our mates in the boys club is DECLINING

would you like to use my drawing board or would you like to use you own????

[Ocean1]

do you actually read those links.

first one, the funding:

INET was founded with an initial pledge of $50 million from George Soros (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros). It has since been supplemented by donations from James Balsillie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Balsillie) and William H. Janeway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Janeway), together with other philanthropists and financiers, including Paul Volcker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Volcker), David Rockefeller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller), the Malcolm Hewitt Wiener Foundation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_H._Wiener), the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_P._Sloan_Foundation), the Carnegie Corporation of New York (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_Corporation_of_New_York), and Stiftung Mercator (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stiftung_Mercator&action=edit&redlink=1).

Thats like being a turkey at Christmas trusting a farmer with a sharp knife .......

But IF you would like to go into prosperity , im more than willing .....

Funding wasn't on any link I posted. The source of the xls is the University of Groningen, if they've got funding streams for economic research from economic entities it's difficult to see why that might surprise you.

And I did go into prosperity. I posted this, if you recall: http://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/datamaps/gdpPerCapitaSince1_maddison/gdpPerCapitaSince1_maddison.html



Secondly the very good excel sheet you provided , very good I might add ... but Im not sure you either A; read it or B; understood it

from that data range if you graph the data , ( simply cut paste , graph ) ...you get


318986which is for NZ gdp against, relative to America ...( england is produces a slightly flatter curve )

So , my dear fellow it seems that according to George sorros and Uncle rocky we are doing quite well but here in nz WHEN you actually look ( at the data YOU provided ) ...our GDP relative to our mates in the boys club is DECLINING

would you like to use my drawing board or would you like to use you own????

I'm fucking sure you didn't understand it. Let's recap, shall we?

You said:


Prosperity is fading

And I called you on that. I made no mention whatsoever about relative prosperity, I simply said that the data says prosperity had increased dramatically across the board. Again, this data: http://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/datamaps/gdpPerCapitaSince1_maddison/gdpPerCapitaSince1_maddison.html

Got the hang of all dem button at the top have you? What did they reveal about historic prosperity worldwide?

Fucking booming is a term that springs to mind. It probably wouldn't spring quite as readily, though if I was an entrenched socialist desperate to believe that capitalism has ruined everyone's standard of living. But then, that'd be due to exhaustion from all that jumping to conclusions and running around avoiding falling skies etc.

[bogan]

Mate only you are talking about fitting straight lines to income stats .... and as for the article seems your reading skills aint what they used to be
As I pointed out I haven't had the chance to read the article , which is why I differed and gave Ocean the benefit of the doubt UNTIL I could read the article . That is what I said .....

Incorrect, the straight line poorly fitting was brought up by you and mashy as a strawman argument to show how outliers are taken out.


pure garbage

as an engineer even when u know the results more often or not u will be using a line of best fit

if and only if all the planets line up on yur great grandmother 101st birthday you may get close to a exact repeatable result exact is the wrong word

The pure garbage bit was in response to my explanation of how outliers are dealt with in a general sense.


do you actually read those links.

first one, the funding:

INET was founded with an initial pledge of $50 million from George Soros (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Soros). It has since been supplemented by donations from James Balsillie (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Balsillie) and William H. Janeway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_H._Janeway), together with other philanthropists and financiers, including Paul Volcker (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Volcker), David Rockefeller (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Rockefeller), the Malcolm Hewitt Wiener Foundation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_H._Wiener), the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_P._Sloan_Foundation), the Carnegie Corporation of New York (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnegie_Corporation_of_New_York), and Stiftung Mercator (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Stiftung_Mercator&action=edit&redlink=1).

Thats like being a turkey at Christmas trusting a farmer with a sharp knife .......

But IF you would like to go into prosperity , im more than willing .....

Secondly the very good excel sheet you provided , very good I might add ... but Im not sure you either A; read it or B; understood it

from that data range if you graph the data , ( simply cut paste , graph ) ...you get


318986which is for NZ gdp against, relative to America ...( england is produces a slightly flatter curve )

So , my dear fellow it seems that according to George sorros and Uncle rocky we are doing quite well but here in nz WHEN you actually look ( at the data YOU provided ) ...our GDP relative to our mates in the boys club is DECLINING

would you like to use my drawing board or would you like to use you own????

Oh come on, now that you've read the article you proceed to attack those involved in its writing?

Relative GDP is utterly irrelevant to the point about absolute poverty and prosperity. It's just negative nit-picking. NZ's prosperity is still rising, it just isn't rising as fast as some other countries, which will of course, always be the case. So this is the important bit, if you only respond to one point, it should be this one. But if you've room for another piece of advice to take on board, make more of an effort to communicate your ideas, the graph was terrible, as was the structure of your posts.

[mashman]

Incorrect, the straight line poorly fitting was brought up by you and mashy as a strawman argument to show how outliers are taken out.

Oh come on, now that you've read the article you proceed to attack those involved in its writing?

I said nothing about a straight line... I merely pointed out that you don't understand how these things actually work in reality.

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa@attacking the author... something you, and you cohort (snigger), could never be accused of doing. Tui anyone.

[bogan]

I said nothing about a straight line... I merely pointed out that you don't understand how these things actually work in reality.

You said the outlier bit, brian said the straight line bit. You made the claim about 'reality', but only managed to showed the opposite; or have you read and identified the bit where the outliers are dropped from the study posted to share with the class?

[Brian d marge]

Funding wasn't on any link I posted. The source of the xls is the University of Groningen, if they've got funding streams for economic research from economic entities it's difficult to see why that might surprise you.

And I did go into prosperity. I posted this, if you recall: http://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/datamaps/gdpPerCapitaSince1_maddison/gdpPerCapitaSince1_maddison.html



I'm fucking sure you didn't understand it. Let's recap, shall we?

You said:



And I called you on that. I made no mention whatsoever about relative prosperity, I simply said that the data says prosperity had increased dramatically across the board. Again, this data: http://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/datamaps/gdpPerCapitaSince1_maddison/gdpPerCapitaSince1_maddison.html

Got the hang of all dem button at the top have you? What did they reveal about historic prosperity worldwide?

Fucking booming is a term that springs to mind. It probably wouldn't spring quite as readily, though if I was an entrenched socialist desperate to believe that capitalism has ruined everyone's standard of living. But then, that'd be due to exhaustion from all that jumping to conclusions and running around avoiding falling skies etc.

You used an organisation funded by George Soros as an example :faceplant ... like quoting from Mr Hitlers best seller ....Mein comfy chair to back up your race relation stance .......

I then used YOUR DATA from said uni, that showed the GDP for ( an example ) GDP was going down

if anyone hasnt the hang of the internet , or is entrenched , It might be worth looking in the mirror
......
Using Soros as a source , is like trusting me with your beer ,

and dont even try and go down the capitalist path , u still haven’t answered the question on socialism yet ....

Nice try , you ARE improving with the links and info you provide ....but ...


Stephen

[bogan]

You used an organisation funded by George Soros as an example :faceplant ... like quoting from Mr Hitlers best seller ....Mein comfy chair to back up your race relation stance .......

I then used YOUR DATA from said uni, that showed the GDP for ( an example ) GDP was going down

if anyone hasnt the hang of the internet , or is entrenched , It might be worth looking in the mirror
......
Using Soros as a source , is like trusting me with your beer ,

and dont even try and go down the capitalist path , u still haven’t answered the question on socialism yet ....

Nice try , you ARE improving with the links and info you provide ....but ...


Stephen

Incorrect, Hitler wrote that book himeself, wheras George Soros has simply given funding to the Uni that wrote the report. These things are miles apart.

You did not show GDP was going down at all.

[Brian d marge]

Incorrect, Hitler wrote that book himeself, wheras George Soros has simply given funding to the Uni that wrote the report. These things are miles apart.

You did not show GDP was going down at all.
where do u start

go and have a look yourself

and as for soros and hitler i think you get the jist of what i was saying



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[Brian d marge]

Incorrect, the straight line poorly fitting was brought up by you and mashy as a strawman argument to show how outliers are taken out.



The pure garbage bit was in response to my explanation of how outliers are dealt with in a general sense.



Oh come on, now that you've read the article you proceed to attack those involved in its writing?

Relative GDP is utterly irrelevant to the point about absolute poverty and prosperity. It's just negative nit-picking. NZ's prosperity is still rising, it just isn't rising as fast as some other countries, which will of course, always be the case. So this is the important bit, if you only respond to one point, it should be this one. But if you've room for another piece of advice to take on board, make more of an effort to communicate your ideas, the graph was terrible, as was the structure of your posts.

i either the time or the paitence to produce the quality of work that u require in order to illuminate ( you)

U cetainly have a creative imagination thats for sure





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[Brian d marge]

I said nothing about a straight line... I merely pointed out that you don't understand how these things actually work in reality.

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa@attacking the author... something you, and you cohort (snigger), could never be accused of doing. Tui anyone.
make mine a dry white

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[bogan]

i either the time or the paitence to produce the quality of work that u require in order to illuminate ( you)

U cetainly have a creative imagination thats for sure

Fuck that's a pathetic cop out. The structure and wording as as weak as the excuse.

You went to the time to fabricate an extremely biased graph to show or at least imply (I can't tell which cos your grasp of words is shit) our GDP was decreasing when it is doing nothing of the sort. Now when called on it, you have to find some cop out instead of facing reality; which is rather more positive than you make it out to be.

[Ocean1]

You used an organisation funded by George Soros as an example :faceplant ... like quoting from Mr Hitlers best seller ....Mein comfy chair to back up your race relation stance .......

I then used YOUR DATA from said uni, that showed the GDP for ( an example ) GDP was going down

if anyone hasnt the hang of the internet , or is entrenched , It might be worth looking in the mirror
......
Using Soros as a source , is like trusting me with your beer ,

and dont even try and go down the capitalist path , u still haven’t answered the question on socialism yet ....

Nice try , you ARE improving with the links and info you provide ....but ...


Stephen

I'd have thought he was your sort of man.


Soros is a well known supporter of progressive and liberal political causes.[12] Between 1979 and 2015 Soros donated more than $11 billion to various philanthropic causes

Or is he a cunt simply 'cause he's rich?

In spite of his propensity to fund educational institutions.


he provided one of Europe's largest higher education endowments to the Central European University in Budapest

You do know that doesn't get him the right to fuck with research data, doncha? Or do you have evidence of nefarious activities in the data stacks? :yawn:

Oh, and exactly which bit of that data did you extract from the spreadsheet to get your graph? Must have take a fucking while to find a downward trend from a complete set showing almost exclusively the opposite.

[Brian d marge]

Fuck that's a pathetic cop out. The structure and wording as as weak as the excuse.

You went to the time to fabricate an extremely biased graph to show or at least imply (I can't tell which cos your grasp of words is shit) our GDP was decreasing when it is doing nothing of the sort. Now when called on it, you have to find some cop out instead of facing reality; which is rather more positive than you make it out to be.
no
it was clear
im afraid after reading back through the posts that its you that tries to fit straght lines into income streams
my posts are as clear as they need to be
if u want to twist and turn feel free
my points still stand if ya cant understand it aint my problem

it doesnt matter what i say or think

The evidence will ( and does speak for itself)

Baltic dry index at 370 near zero interest rates and unemployment is what ?

good luck mate

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[bogan]

no
it was clear
im afraid after reading back through the posts that its you that tries to fit straght lines into income streams
my posts are as clear as they need to be
if u want to twist and turn feel free
my points still stand if ya cant understand it aint my problem

it doesnt matter what i say or think

The evidence will ( and does speak for itself)

Baltic dry index at 370 near zero interest rates and unemployment is what ?

good luck mate

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Clarity then.

Do you think absolute GDP in NZ is rising or falling?

[Katman]

Or is he a cunt simply 'cause he's rich?

It takes a whole lot more than one billionaire's conscience being pricked to make a real difference to world poverty.

Imagine if every one of the money hungry fucks did the same.

[Brian d marge]

I'd have thought he was your sort of man.



Or is he a cunt simply 'cause he's rich?

In spite of his propensity to fund educational institutions.



You do know that doesn't get him the right to fuck with research data, doncha? Or do you have evidence of nefarious activities in the data stacks? :yawn:

Oh, and exactly which bit of that data did you extract from the spreadsheet to get your graph? Must have take a fucking while to find a downward trend from a complete set showing almost exclusively the opposite.
uncle george is a saint and got his wealth through hard work and dillegence

........ at 14 he was helping move furniture .... cos he is nice like that

As for the data

i had a feeling you hadnt read it ...its on the same page there are ony 2 links

so to recap ya posted a link from an oxford fella funded by the dodgiest fella on earth
proving to us down here that everything is rosey

and then offered a excel sheet backing up the above ...but a few min reading showed that nz ..and other countries relative gdp gdp is the measure or the economic actvity and so effects the economic wealfare or the people engaged in that activity
this speadsheet showed that gdp dropped from 1960 to 2004

well done you certainly proved that point well






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[Brian d marge]

Clarity then.

Do you think absolute GDP in NZ is rising or falling?
relative gdp according to figures provided by ocean
showed that it dropped

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[bogan]

relative gdp according to figures provided by ocean
showed that it dropped

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Clarity Brian, I said absolute GDP.

And dropped is the wrong term for relative GDP, rising slower than would be the correct one.

[Woodman]

It takes a whole lot more than one billionaire's conscience being pricked to make a real difference to world poverty.

Imagine if every one of the money hungry fucks did the same.

So you work.....why?

[Katman]

So you work.....why?

For the satisfaction of supporting myself.

What about you?

[Brian d marge]

Clarity Brian, I said absolute GDP.

And dropped is the wrong term for relative GDP, rising slower than would be the correct one.

I know them your words , so in all fairness thats your own question of which you must answer

I will, if you want but I would need to look into it. I suspect , off top off head it has risen due to either housing or the markets but dropped in manufacturing

at a guess

but I would have to look into it

However , as per Oceans , info , it has dropped .

[Woodman]

For the satisfaction of supporting myself.

What about you?

For the satisfaction of supporting myself, but to be more honest...money. Same same.

[Katman]

Same same.

Different different.

I have no desire whatsoever to ever earn more money than I have need for.

[Ocean1]

uncle george is a saint and got his wealth through hard work and dillegence

........ at 14 he was helping move furniture .... cos he is nice like that

As for the data

i had a feeling you hadnt read it ...its on the same page there are ony 2 links

so to recap ya posted a link from an oxford fella funded by the dodgiest fella on earth
proving to us down here that everything is rosey

and then offered a excel sheet backing up the above ...but a few min reading showed that nz ..and other countries relative gdp gdp is the measure or the economic actvity and so effects the economic wealfare or the people engaged in that activity
this speadsheet showed that gdp dropped from 1960 to 2004

well done you certainly proved that point well






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Are you sure English is your native language?

Only, that shit's nowhere near coherent.

If it's good enough for me to make some effort to post references and quotes you can at least take the time to make some fucking sense.

[bogan]

it has risen

Correct.


However , as per Oceans , info , it has dropped .

Incorrect. Oceans info shows all GDP for NZ is rising; see the following for figures 1950 through 2000. So consistent you might even be forgiven for trying to fit a line to it :laugh:

14,942
14,467
14,301
14,658
16,715
17,338
17,470
18,445
18,526
19,268
22,414
23,670
24,100
25,710
27,082
28,878
30,543
28,941
28,757
31,870
31,552
32,664
34,386
37,297
39,459
38,411
38,647
36,852
36,485
36,536
36,778
38,035
39,653
40,716
42,834
43,141
44,159
44,376
44,374
44,581
44,486
43,753
44,249
47,237
50,036
52,085
53,784
54,474
54,853
57,408
58,979

[Ocean1]

I know them your words , so in all fairness thats your own question of which you must answer

I will, if you want but I would need to look into it. I suspect , off top off head it has risen due to either housing or the markets but dropped in manufacturing

at a guess

but I would have to look into it

However , as per Oceans , info , it has dropped .

Let me get this straight. You claim that inflation corrected worldwide gdp has decreased over the last few decades?

And you get that from this?: http://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/datamaps/gdpPerCapitaSince1_maddison/gdpPerCapitaSince1_maddison.html

[Katman]

So consistent you might even be forgiven for trying to fit a line to it :laugh:

Almost like it was planned.

[Ocean1]

Different different.

I have no desire whatsoever to ever earn more money than I have need for.

Rich pricks, eh?

Wasting their hard earned on other people since ages ago.

Cunts.

[mashman]

You said the outlier bit, brian said the straight line bit. You made the claim about 'reality', but only managed to showed the opposite; or have you read and identified the bit where the outliers are dropped from the study posted to share with the class?

Actually I'll not bother posting that and just laugh at you instead.

[bogan]

Actually I'll not bother posting that and just laugh at you instead.

:laugh: weak cop out day for stupid worlders is it?

Oh hang on, that happens every day doesn't it :killingme

[mashman]

:laugh: weak cop out day for stupid worlders is it?

Oh hang on, that happens every day doesn't it :killingme

It is a piss weak copout... but as you think there's only 1 set of outliers, all I can really do in response is laugh at you.

[Katman]

Rich pricks, eh?

Wasting their hard earned on other people since ages ago.

Cunts.

I'm sensing a misunderstanding between the words 'need' and 'want'.

[mashman]

make mine a dry white

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Half full or half empty?

[Brian d marge]

Half full or half empty?
if ur payin

use the pint glass spill ner a drop[emoji8]

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[Ocean1]

I'm sensing a misunderstanding between the words 'need' and 'want'.

The recipients of the $11 billion to various philanthropic causes could probably clear up your misunderstanding.

[Brian d marge]

Let me get this straight. You claim that inflation corrected worldwide gdp has decreased over the last few decades?

And you get that from this?: http://ourworldindata.org/wp-content/uploads/datamaps/gdpPerCapitaSince1_maddison/gdpPerCapitaSince1_maddison.html
doesnt look like an excel sheet to me

you did read your own link ?

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[Brian d marge]

The recipients of the $11 billion to various philanthropic causes could probably clear up your misunderstanding.
Now why would someone give away all their money

You wouldnt


unless there was something in it for you

and as I know you just love seeing those happy faces of the unemployed
so I assume its that which drives both you and bill gates

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[Katman]

The recipients of the $11 billion to various philanthropic causes could probably clear up your misunderstanding.

Awww, were only 11 of them interested?

[mashman]

MSF paramedic, civilian first responders killed in Saudi double-tap airstrike in Yemen (https://www.rt.com/news/329770-yemen-double-tap-airstrikes-responders/)...

"Saudi-led coalition planes"... who would that coalition be then?

[mashman]

China supports East Jerusalem as capital of sovereign Palestinian state – President Xi (https://www.rt.com/news/329765-sovereign-palestine-jerusalem-china/)... not something you see every day.

[mashman]

You’re not hallucinating, MPs really did pass crazy bad drug law (https://www.newscientist.com/article/2074813-youre-not-hallucinating-mps-really-did-pass-crazy-bad-drug-law)...

[mashman]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7zaR-qwZz4

[oldrider]

There are many different opinions who exactly are the real terrorists?: http://drsircus.com/world-news/governments-are-large-terrorist-organizations/?utm_source=Dr+Sircus+Newsletter&utm_campaign=df8899232c-Article_338_1_11_2016&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ea98c09673-df8899232c-9531509 Here are a few - follow the links! :corn:

I.E. This is an interesting interview: http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/03/23/washington-intend-war-russia-pcr-interviewed-saker/

[Woodman]

You’re not hallucinating, MPs really did pass crazy bad drug law (https://www.newscientist.com/article/2074813-youre-not-hallucinating-mps-really-did-pass-crazy-bad-drug-law)...


Looks like a pretty good decision to me.

[mashman]

Looks like a pretty good decision to me.

lol@Political Authority. I reckon they should legalise the lot.

[Katman]

http://www.hempplastic.com/

Biodegradable plastic.

Who woulda thunk it?

[husaberg]

http://www.hempplastic.com/

Biodegradable plastic.

Who woulda thunk it?

No one certainly ever accused you of being intelligent.
Maybe next time you see a pool ball instead of wondering if it is part of some jew/shape shifting alien conspiracy, consider what it is actually made from.


http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/corn-plastic-to-the-rescue-126404720/?no-ist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bioplastic
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/bring-science-home-milk-plastic/
http://bigthink.com/ideafeed/a-durable-plastic-made-from-cellulose-and-water

[yokel]

666+666+666+6+6+6=2016, should be an interesting year.
more on the number 6 https://youtu.be/wzuo9Iylh6c

[Brian d marge]

666+666+666+6+6+6=2016, should be an interesting year.
more on the number 6 https://youtu.be/wzuo9Iylh6c
Hahahaha. Doooooom I tell u doom

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[Brian d marge]

http://www.hempplastic.com/

Biodegradable plastic.

Who woulda thunk it?
Wasn't there an Auckland place making styrene plates from potato starch

Styrene is not the right word but u get the idea


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[husaberg]

Wasn't there an Auckland place making styrene plates from potato starch

Styrene is not the right word but u get the idea


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http://www.plastics.org.nz/factsandresources/schoolsresources/historyofplastics/

[Voltaire]

666+666+666+6+6+6=2016, should be an interesting year.
more on the number 6 https://youtu.be/wzuo9Iylh6c

My car rego has 666 in it, I call it the beast, should I be worried ?:shutup:

[husaberg]

My car rego has 666 in it, I call it the beast, should I be worried ?:shutup:

Maybe only if you are a religious nutter like Yokel.

[Oscar]

My car rego has 666 in it, I call it the beast, should I be worried ?:shutup:

Apparently 666 was an incorrect translation.
The Devil's number is actually 616.

[Akzle]

My car rego has 666 in it, I call it the beast, should I be worried ?:shutup:

have you noticed it tranforming into a mechanoid and going off to do battle with the autobots at all?

[oldrider]

My car rego has 666 in it, I call it the beast, should I be worried ?:shutup:

Only because of the way "other people" react! :facepalm:

My contract car at the time I retired was registered 666 - got rid of it because of the attention and endless comments about it! :shutup: drive yah nuts! :weird:

[mashman]

drive yah nuts! :weird:

I always drive ma nuts... I'm kind of attached to them :D

[Voltaire]

have you noticed it tranforming into a mechanoid and going off to do battle with the autobots at all?

When I get in the radio flicks from channel to channel and it says:

"Woe to you, oh Earth and Sea, for the Devil sends the beast with wrath,
Because he knows the time is short...
Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast
For it is a human number,
Its number is Six hundred and sixty six"


after that I left alone, my mind was blank.
I needed time to think, to get the memories from my mind

Could it be the cambelt?

[Akzle]

When I get in the radio flicks from channel to channel and it says:

"Woe to you, oh Earth and Sea, for the Devil sends the beast with wrath,
Because he knows the time is short...
Let him who hath understanding reckon the number of the beast
For it is a human number,
Its number is Six hundred and sixty six"


after that I left alone, my mind was blank.
I needed time to think, to get the memories from my mind

Could it be the cambelt?

are you sure that what you saw that night was real and not just fantasy?

sounds more likely to be rockers...:headbang:

[mashman]

Tory clampdown on ethical investments branded ‘assault on democracy’ (https://www.rt.com/uk/330081-ethical-investment-local-government/)... bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. There is no place in this world for ethics, just cold hard business.

[mashman]

Here We Go Again … IRS Destroys Another Hard Drive (http://finance.yahoo.com/news/again-irs-destroys-another-hard-184100221.html)

[yokel]

The world is about to get a whole lot stupider.

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[Woodman]

oh the irony:facepalm:

[mashman]

Negative Oil Prices Arrive: Koch Brothers' Refinery "Pays" -$0.50 For North Dakota Crude (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-18/negative-oil-prices-arrive-koch-brothers-refinery-pays-050-north-dakota-crude)... bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

Oh dear... oil backed borrowing without any oil. Surely not :killingme


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QxylwnedJY

[Akzle]

Negative Oil Prices Arrive: Koch Brothers' Refinery "Pays" -$0.50 For North Dakota Crude (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-18/negative-oil-prices-arrive-koch-brothers-refinery-pays-050-north-dakota-crude)... bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

Oh dear... oil backed borrowing without any oil. Surely not :killingme


it'sa wonder. Barrel prices less than a third of a year ago. Pump prices....

Ahhh economoney!

[Akzle]

oh lol. The prices quoted that link are half again.

Dont worry. Ocean has the answer and he'll be presenting it.........

[mashman]

oh lol. The prices quoted that link are half again.

Dont worry. Ocean has the answer and he'll be presenting it.........

:killingme... I too feel a report coming on.

[Akzle]

:killingme... I too feel a report coming on.

hopefully with graphs too. I fucken love squigly lines on two axis.

[mashman]

hopefully with graphs too. I fucken love squigly lines on two axis.

Oooh yeah, and colour too... I know how you like your colour.

[mashman]

How to spot a future terrorist at kindy.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDfnyg6LWn0

[mashman]

Claim social care heading towards a ‘silent catastrophe’ in Cambridgeshire due to funding cuts (http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/Claim-social-care-heading-8216-silent-catastrophe/story-28609924-detail/story.html)

[Voltaire]

it'sa wonder. Barrel prices less than a third of a year ago. Pump prices....

Ahhh economoney!


Yeah that's right....shipping, refining, transporting,distributing, retailing and good old tax on the the tax should drop in proportion.:rolleyes:

The barrel now costs more than the contents.

Ahhh eeeeeonomics




/and shit

[Ocean1]

Yeah that's right....shipping, refining, transporting,distributing, retailing and good old tax on the the tax should drop in proportion.:rolleyes:

The barrel now costs more than the contents.

Ahhh eeeeeonomics




/and shit

But, if the Bogymen isn't ripping them off it must mean their lack of cargo is ... SELF INFLICTED!

OMG, the shame of being exposed as incompetent must be almost enough to unhinge them.

[mashman]

But, if the Bogymen isn't ripping them off it must mean their lack of cargo is ... SELF INFLICTED!

OMG, the shame of being exposed as incompetent must be almost enough to unhinge them.

So you know who the bogeyman is eh? :killingme... SELF DELUDED

I'm pretty sure you're speaking from personal experience, which is actually really really funny in an ignorant tit kind of way :niceone:

[yokel]

What have they done?


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[mashman]

Indictment Looms As FBI Declares 22 Clinton Home-Server Emails "Top Secret" (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-01-29/indictment-looms-fbi-declares-22-clinton-emails-top-secret)...

“I believe that the evidence that the FBI is compiling will be so compelling that, unless [Lynch] agrees to the charges, there will be a massive revolt inside the FBI, which she will not be able to survive as an attorney general,” he said.

"The intelligence community will not stand for that. They will fight for indictment and they are already in the process of gearing themselves to basically revolt if she refuses to bring charges."

[mashman]

Sex-for-rent deals on rise for desperate tenants (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11581857)

[Brian d marge]

Sex-for-rent deals on rise for desperate tenants (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11581857)

didnt we see that in Germany a few years back .....just before the poo hit the fan .......

it doesnt repeat exactly , but history does repeat !hahahaha

[mashman]

didnt we see that in Germany a few years back .....just before the poo hit the fan .......

it doesnt repeat exactly , but history does repeat !hahahaha

heh heh heh... it wouldn't surprise me if these guys have an apartment in every port.

[mashman]

Zika Outbreak Epicenter In Same Area Where GM Mosquitoes Were Released In 2015 (http://www.activistpost.com/2016/01/zika-outbreak-epicenter-in-same-area-where-gm-mosquitoes-were-released-in-2015.html)... What? Science made another series of comical boo boo's? Silly fuckers.

"Those genetically-modified mosquitoes work to control wild, potentially disease-carrying populations in a very specific manner. Only the male modified Aedes mosquitoes are supposed to be released into the wild — as they will mate with their unaltered female counterparts. Once offspring are produced, the modified, scientific facet is supposed to ‘kick in’ and kill that larvae before it reaches breeding age — if tetracycline is not present during its development. But there is a problem.

According to an unclassified document from the Trade and Agriculture Directorate Committee for Agriculture dated February 2015, Brazil is the third largest in “global antimicrobial consumption in food animal production” — meaning, Brazil is third in the world for its use of tetracycline in its food animals. As a study by the American Society of Agronomy, et. al., explained, “It is estimated that approximately 75% of antibiotics are not absorbed by animals and are excreted in waste.” One of the antibiotics (or antimicrobials) specifically named in that report for its environmental persistence is tetracycline.

In fact, as a confidential internal Oxitec document divulged in 2012, that survival rate could be as high as 15% — even with low levels of tetracycline present. “Even small amounts of tetracycline can repress” the engineered lethality. Indeed, that 15% survival rate was described by Oxitec:
"

[Brian d marge]

Live in fear. . . .run away ... It's
Saars. Swine flu. ...bird flu influenza. Bubonic plague ... And fat people

As I type this from a car park in a large shopping complex just outside Kawagoe Japan ....zika virus has not reached us yet .....though we did get dengue fever last year

Damn those frenchies damn them all

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[Katman]

http://michaelmoore.com/10FactsOnFlint/

[mashman]

Death toll rises among Kurds trapped in Turkey’s southeastern Cizre district amid govt crackdown (https://www.rt.com/news/330826-kurds-turkey-trapped-basement/)

[bogan]

Is War Over? — A Paradox Explained

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[Katman]

Wow, a youtube video (from the master hater of youtube videos) which totally fails to address the huge business that War has become.

What a fucking waste of bandwidth.

[mashman]

Wow, a youtube video (from the master hater of youtube videos) which totally fails to address the huge business that War has become.

What a fucking waste of bandwidth.

Thanks for the summary :D

[bogan]

Wow, a youtube video (from the master hater of youtube videos) which totally fails to address the huge business that War has become.

What a fucking waste of bandwidth.

You should watch it, it addresses exactly that point.

[Katman]

You should watch it, it addresses exactly that point.

Seriously man, your niavety borders on stupidity.

[bogan]

Seriously man, your niavety borders on stupidity.

Seriously man, I'm not naive enough to think your stupidity knows any bounds...

[Katman]

"Today we have rules that declare acts of aggression illegal"

:killingme

[Brian d marge]

Can't open link.

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[Katman]

You didn't miss anything.

[Woodman]

Wow, a youtube video (from the master hater of youtube videos) which totally fails to address the huge business that War has become.

What a fucking waste of bandwidth.



Or you could look into it and make your own mind up. :rolleyes:

[Katman]

Or you could look into it and make your own mind up. :rolleyes:

Dude, the video was 5.45 long.

I can sit through videos twice that length.

[Brian d marge]

Or you could look into it and make your own mind up. :rolleyes:
Couldn't open link ....I have a choice between paperwork ....or link or running through the supermarket buck naked singing.... I'm an orange sponge cake

Bit cold here for singing

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[Woodman]

Dude, the video was 5.45 long.

I can sit through videos twice that length.

Wow........... that long.............:niceone:

[Woodman]

Couldn't open link ....I have a choice between paperwork ....or link or running through the supermarket buck naked singing.... I'm an orange sponge cake

Bit cold here for singing

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Don't run through the supermarket if its cold unless you are either very well endowed or too old to give a fuck.

[Brian d marge]

Don't run through the supermarket if its cold unless you are either very well endowed or too old to fuck.

Changed it for you ... dropped the verb and the article

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[Voltaire]

Long but interesting, about how Corporations are now running the US.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7bFzvS9dE8&feature=player_embedded

[mashman]

Long but interesting, about how Corporations are now running the US.

Long? heh. Have heard most of that before... and lol@getting money out of politics making a difference.

[Brian d marge]

Corporations are the least of your worries
How about a mentally unstable monarchy ....who had shares in the east India company
Things never change in the world of venician politics

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[mashman]

Tax row giant Google is PAID by the government to collect OUR tax with HMRC (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tax-row-giant-google-paid-7279043)... bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Katman]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/technology/pentagon-official-declares-f35-joint-strike-fighter-not-capable-of-unsupported-combat/news-story/d4c120babe07e2549dd5fe159d1b57c0

[mashman]

The Jeremy Corbyn story that nobody wanted to publish (http://linkis.com/independent.co.uk/A9MHB)

[husaberg]

The Jeremy Corbyn story that nobody wanted to publish (http://linkis.com/independent.co.uk/A9MHB)

319274
Seems legit:innocent:

[jonbuoy]

The Jeremy Corbyn story that nobody wanted to publish (http://linkis.com/independent.co.uk/A9MHB)

Story is almost as dull as he is. Best thing he can do for Labour to succeed is quit.

[mashman]

Story is almost as dull as he is. Best thing he can do for Labour to succeed is quit.

John Major, but in red. Boy's gonna do well.

[jonbuoy]

John Major, but in red. Boy's gonna do well.

It's a funny thing some politicians have, they can have the best ideas and be great people but if they don't have that certain charisma they will never get far. W Bush never had it, H Bush did. I'm not certain Obama has ever had it. Clinton, Howard, Clark, Thatcher and Putin all have/had it. Hilary looks like she has it too. Scarily so does Trump.

[mashman]

It's a funny thing some politicians have, they can have the best ideas and be great people but if they don't have that certain charisma they will never get far. W Bush never had it, H Bush did. I'm not certain Obama has ever had it. Clinton, Howard, Clark, Thatcher and Putin all have/had it. Hilary looks like she has it too. Scarily so does Trump.

I think the thing you're looking for is public perception. I think the "problem" was the opposition. Gore (who seemed to have it), Kerry, Dukakis, Obama was the new white hope, Howard (opposition was likely shite), Bush (ironically), Clark (opposition likely shite), Foot/Kinnock, Not a clue about Russia. Easy targets for politicians who played dirty. Aye, being "nice" doesn't seem to cut it much.

[oldrider]

It's a funny thing some politicians have, they can have the best ideas and be great people but if they don't have that certain charisma they will never get far. W Bush never had it, H Bush did. I'm not certain Obama has ever had it. Clinton, Howard, Clark, Thatcher and Putin all have/had it. Hilary looks like she has it too. Scarily so does Trump.

If they don't have AIPAC backing (approval) they will not even be in the hunt! - Zionists run the West (Correction - make that the world!) :niceone: Salute! - They're smart!

[jonbuoy]

If they don't have AIPAC backing (approval) they will not even be in the hunt! - Zionists run the West (Correction - make that the world!) :niceone: Salute! - They're smart!

I don't think even you believe that deep down.

[mashman]

I don't think even you believe that deep down.

I do. The nature of that beast is centuries (maybe even older) old. I can almost smell their BO.

[Katman]

I do.

Yep, me too.

[Brian d marge]

I do. The nature of that beast is centuries (maybe even older) old. I can almost smell their BO.
Way back to the fall of Rome is how far I've traced it

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[mashman]

Way back to the fall of Rome is how far I've traced it

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Thousands of years it is.

[oldrider]

I don't think even you believe that deep down.

There is more evidence than you could ever believe to support both of those comments - if you study the former the latter will become overwhelmingly obvious! :yes:

[Brian d marge]

Thousands of years it is.
I can't prove or verify the movement of the money from Babylonian to Greece to Rome but from Rome to Venice and London ..a smelly smelly trail


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[Brian d marge]

There is more evidence than you could ever believe to support both of those comments - if you study the former the latter will become overwhelmingly obvious! :yes:
Just how bad it got/gets was a real eye opener
The shonkey donkey is just an amateur

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[mashman]

I can't prove or verify the movement of the money from Babylonian to Greece to Rome but from Rome to Venice and London ..a smelly smelly trail


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I think that wherever there has been money and wherever there has been a collapse, it was likely due to things coming to a head and the system was crashed to cover the trail. Seems to be an underlying theme from the scant reading I've done... but it seems pretty obvious. Having said that, I gotz to wonder if it is all zionism? or whether there is a trifecta with zionism as just one interested party. T'would make more sense to me.

[Brian d marge]

I think that wherever there has been money and wherever there has been a collapse, it was likely due to things coming to a head and the system was crashed to cover the trail. Seems to be an underlying theme from the scant reading I've done... but it seems pretty obvious. Having said that, I gotz to wonder if it is all zionism? or whether there is a trifecta with zionism as just one interested party. T'would make more sense to me.
Money no but currency I would agree with u

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[mashman]

Money no but currency I would agree with u

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No matter how hard I try I can't see the difference between the two. The store of value argument doesn't make any sense, to me.

[jonbuoy]

There is more evidence than you could ever believe to support both of those comments - if you study the former the latter will become overwhelmingly obvious! :yes:

I don't, some people see patterns in chaos and coincidences where there is none.

[Brian d marge]

I don't, some people see patterns in chaos and coincidences where there is none.
It's called entropy

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[jonbuoy]

Just one central secret group controlling the whole world?

[Brian d marge]

Just one central secret group controlling the whole world?
No several. Do the research

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