Stupid World

[husaberg]

If you are going to come on here banging your chest about how great you are you are going to get shit, especially when it appears that you can't count to five. You also have no idea who you are conversing with so the constant focus on your own wealth is laughable to be honest.

6'3" in my heels.

turns out as well as not know that 50% is half he doesn know the difference between millions and billions as well


If I'm up~ 1000% since pre 2019 and the stock price falls 50% from 1year ago it means I'm only up 950% since my first initial investment.

And I believe your wrong about Elon Musks networth he's down about 394million and now the second richest man on earth and worth only 185billion .. oh how sad
Elon Musk, once worth as much as $US340 billion ($496 billion), in November 2021,
Musk, 51, has seen his fortune tumble by more than $US100 billion since January to $US163.1 billion, according to the Bloomberg Billionaires Index. he's lost nearly 50% of his wealth......
Maybe that is only 950%:killingme

In context Bill Gates and Warren buffet have given away over 50 billion each.
The difference they gave their money to charities......
hey bundy how about those Tesla cameras....

[sugilite]

I'm interested in human psychology.
Well, there is a coincidence, so am I. Anyone criticising Elon really seems to niggle you. Are you by chance his mysterious illegitimate son named 'Y'?


A masked kid sitting in a car filming the ?security fella? (Elons kid is in the car, not Elon) that's now filming him and his car registration plate. Musk asks the people for details. Can't be fucked bringing you any more instant happiness than that without suggesting you go get a twitter account and gratify yourself.

Seems there is no evidence of these banned journalists having ever publishing musks so called assassination coordinates. I'll post an excerpt from an article I found below that i found without having to join twitter ;)

"Musk did not clarify in what way he believed the reporters who were suspended had shared his “exact real-time location”. The news articles about Musk that several reporters had published before their accounts were suspended did not include any information about his real-time location, or the location of any of his family members. The articles were focused on ElonJet, an account that had posted the location of the billionaire’s private jet as it travelled to different cities."

[mashman]

Seems there is no evidence of these banned journalists having ever publishing musks so called assassination coordinates. I'll post an excerpt from an article I found below that i found without having to join twitter ;)

"Musk did not clarify in what way he believed the reporters who were suspended had shared his “exact real-time location”. The news articles about Musk that several reporters had published before their accounts were suspended did not include any information about his real-time location, or the location of any of his family members. The articles were focused on ElonJet, an account that had posted the location of the billionaire’s private jet as it travelled to different cities."

Cool. You now have more than enough to see the full picture, coz you have half a story.

[sugilite]

Cool. You now have more than enough to see the full picture, coz you have half a story.

More to light, Thought I would link to the mashable article in honor of your handle.
https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-twitter-polls-suspended-journalists-backfire

Yeah, totally looks like the action of a man worried his assassination coordinates had been released. In the 2nd poll he ran, he offered the option of reinstating the wayward journos with immediate effect, which was the option that won the poll. Will the self proclaimed free speech absolutist respect the will of the people? Stay tuned - or not ;)

[mashman]

More to light, Thought I would link to the mashable article in honor of your handle.
https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-twitter-polls-suspended-journalists-backfire

Yeah, totally looks like the action of a man worried his assassination coordinates had been released. In the 2nd poll he ran, he offered the option of reinstating the wayward journos with immediate effect, which was the option that won the poll. Will the self proclaimed free speech absolutist respect the will of the people? Stay tuned - or not ;)

Saw the polls. Had a good chuckle at leaving what should be clear policy decisions open to opinion. He has a point. The hate is fucking bonkers. He lives in America.

Ok, I'll give you a real link to play with (https://www.thefp.com/p/tgif-musks-power-trip-trumps-nfts). These are the guys who are releasing 'The Twitter Files.'. Plenty of other arms and legs when following the silliness through twitter though, heh heh heh. It costs the princely sum of $0 to create an account to follow the arms and legs and hysteria that's taking place in person. I'll be your friend too.

[husaberg]

Saw the polls. Had a good chuckle at leaving what should be clear policy decisions open to opinion. He has a point. The hate is fucking bonkers. He lives in America.



Odd Musk wasnt worried about real attacks on others families.....
https://imagez.tmz.com/image/1e/o/2022/10/30/1e7715fbb6ab4d9a8c5d2c0214c382a3_md.jpg

i am somewhat surprised you are worried about votes or polls.....

[pritch]

All 4 sentences in this post was a complete fallacy.

Yet Im still fascinated by why you choose to make this up?



It's possible your comprehension skills are limited, certainly your spelling and arithmetic are ummm loose. Everything in my post was as reported. Your personal ignorance of a situation doesn't mean it didn't happen. Read these items and you'll know more than you do now.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tesla-stock-suffers-worst-week-since-2020-as-elon-musk-sells-large-shareholder-asks-for-new-ceo-11671230559?mod=mw_latestnews

https://www.yahoo.com/news/musk-shakes-twitters-legal-team-123811901.html


I doubt anybody here hates Musk. It's just that he's just behaving like a complete twat. Currently competing with his buddy Putin to be the world's biggest fuck up. Something like that draws attention.

[pritch]

And, nothing personal to me exactly, but he lost a shit ton of respect from me when he called the hero of the Thai cave rescue mission a 'pedo' , because the guy had the audacity to decline Elons offer of a small submarine that was not suited for the job.

The "genius" Musk didn't understand that human beings are bendy and can get around tight corners. Metal vessels several feet long can't.

The Brit Musk called a pedo has my sympathy but he made one mistake. The lawyer he chose in his defamation action against Musk is a Trump election conspiracy supporting fuckwit. The outcome of the court case was a foregone conclusion. Of course he didn't know that at the time.

[husaberg]

The "genius" Musk didn't understand that human beings are bendy and can get around tight corners. Metal vessels several feet long can't.

The Brit Musk called a pedo has my sympathy but he made one mistake. The lawyer he chose in his defamation action against Musk is a Trump election conspiracy supporting fuckwit. The outcome of the court case was a foregone conclusion. Of course he didn't know that at the time.

musk won seemingly on a defense that ped was describing his looks odd that this worked given his comments after his apology.


“pedo guy”, later tweeting: “Bet ya a signed dollar it’s true.”

He apologised for the remark last month after Unsworth threatened to sue, Tesla shares dived and the company’s investors issued an open letter demanding Musk apologise.

Musk was responding to another critic on Twitter on Tuesday when he appeared to reaffirm the accusation. “You don’t think it’s strange [Unsworth] hasn’t sued me? He was offered free legal services,” he wrote.

“Did you investigate at all? I’m guessing answer is no. Why?” he wrote in subsequent tweets that are still online.

Its Rumoured that Musk paid for Amber Heard's defence.
Its said she has some pretty embarrassing musk footage.....

[mashman]

silent for at least 4 years, possibly longer for exceptionally good reasons...

Seriously, save your gargantuan brain power for someone that gives a shit enough to be bothered to even come close to reading anything that you might scribble anywhere... coz I don't. Have no need to. Not even remotely interested. Nor should anyone be given your schill antics all those years ago. Some may forget, but nah, some shit you just can't forget. So I'll happily sign off the last thing I ever knowingly state to you as, Fuck off you ugly ugly ugly being.

[husaberg]

Seriously, save your gargantuan brain power for someone that gives a shit enough to be bothered to even come close to reading anything that you might scribble anywhere... coz I don't. Have no need to. Not even remotely interested. Nor should anyone be given your schill antics all those years ago. Some may forget, but nah, some shit you just can't forget. So I'll happily sign off the last thing I ever knowingly state to you as, Fuck off you ugly ugly ugly being.


You had me at Hello....

tell me more about this shilling... was that when i pointed out you oldracist Azkhole and Katspam continually posted racist material.
yeah I can see how that would upset you....

My bad
Rest assured you are the greatest Kris Faafoi an't got nothin on you (other than 22 and a half thousand votes)
https://www.parliament.nz/mi/document/DBHOH_Lib_EP_Mana_Electoral_Profile

[Laava]

Geez you two, get a room.

[F5 Dave]

Gawd, I remember the days when I could read mashed potato heads posts. What a fuking plonker.

Buy a bike and stop being an Incel. That's a word I learned from the Internet.

But if you don't buy a bike and actually ride it: Fuck off you soft cock loser. This isn't "car driver bus passenger' website.

[mashman]

Oh no, Musk does as the people ask and unsuspends the accounts involved in the doxxing. What are they going to complain about now... it's almost as though the newspaper being under the thumb of government agencies to cease certain stories is an actual thing and not just something you see in the movies.

[mashman]

Gawd, I remember the days when I could read mashed potato heads posts. What a fuking plonker.

Buy a bike and stop being an Incel. That's a word I learned from the Internet.

But if you don't buy a bike and actually ride it: Fuck off you soft cock loser. This isn't "car driver bus passenger' website.

Commenting on something you admit that you can't read. Yeah, you're all class Dave...... and oh noes, he won't see this, shit, I've turned into berkboy.

[F5 Dave]

Ohh I'll paraphrase having thank Satan not been able to read that.

"Waa Waa Waa. .women think I'm ineffectual. Waa Waa Waa. What if the motorcycle fell over.l? I'm scared. I think I'm smart. So does mum. She said I was good looking and not a Pasty white Pom." QUOTE Mashed potato.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Why is everyone yelling at everyone on this thread

You are all uncivilised inbreds

And not wealthy ,clean, tall and handsome like me.

Behave! Please, & think of the poor starving children in Mosgeil this Christmas.

[F5 Dave]

Well I'm not short, but I'm not tall. Perfect size to fit motorcycles. I am the other things.

You have to look back in the past and understand hes a whining pom of the first order.

[mashman]

Why is everyone yelling at everyone on this thread

You are all uncivilised inbreds

And not wealthy ,clean, tall and handsome like me.

Behave! Please, & think of the poor starving children in Mosgeil this Christmas.

Hushhhhhhhhhhhh. Projection cannot be helped when logic, reason and common sense are not on your side. Partly my own fault by encouraging it, but by God it was fucking fun.

[husaberg]

Oh no, Musk does as the people ask and unsuspends the accounts involved in the doxxing. What are they going to complain about now... it's almost as though the newspaper being under the thumb of government agencies to cease certain stories is an actual thing and not just something you see in the movies.

You produced zero evidence they were involved in any doxxing.
You or Musk saying something doesn't make it true.



You have to look back in the past and understand hes a whining pom of the first order.

Dave you are unfair he's so much more than just a winging pom
he's a failed politician, a failed elbow model, a jaded antiJew Instagram influencer and has no motorcycle.
This is not all his fault, I bet his mum had plenty of sweets, but rarely gave him any.

[Berries]

I am confused now. Does mashman live in Mosgiel or did F5 call me a whining pom?

.

[husaberg]

I am confused now. Does mashman live in Mosgiel or did F5 call me a whining pom?

.

Ya just geographically challenged

[R650R]

https://joannenova.com.au/2022/12/deep-state-cover-up-twitter-was-a-subsidiary-of-the-fbi-and-cia-is-still-hiding-those-files-60-years-later/

By Jo Nova

It’s the coverup that matters
Live fire training at the FBI.
Men with guns deciding what jokes you can hear?
Part II in the “United States of the FBI”

Matt Taibbi is reading through the TwitterFile emails between the FBI and Twitter and found strangely petty and detailed requests which reveal much more than you might think. The FBI were sending through requests to ban trivial no-name accounts who just posted jokes. They were also asking for their “location information” of people posting the jokes. The overreaction shows how entangled Twitter was with the FBI on day to day operations, but also reveals the hot button priority topic the FBI was so concerned about was election “misinformation”. What are the FBI most afraid of?

“a surprisingly high number [of emails] are requests by the FBI for Twitter to take action on election misinformation, even involving joke tweets from low-follower accounts.

Federal intelligence and law enforcement reach into Twitter included the Department of Homeland Security, which partnered with security contractors and think tanks to pressure Twitter to moderate content.

It’s no secret the government analyzes bulk data for all sorts of purposes, everything from tracking terror suspects to making economic forecasts.

The #TwitterFiles show something new: agencies like the FBI and DHS regularly sending social media content to Twitter through multiple entry points, pre-flagged for moderation.

They were even trying to ban some people just from saying “”Get out there and Vote Wednesday”. Taibbi asks: This, is what the FBI spends time on?

When told of the FBI flagging, @Lexitollah replied:

“My thoughts initially include

1. Seems like prima facie 1A violation

2. Holy cow, me, an account with the reach of an amoeba

3. What else are they looking at?”

Instead of chasing child sex predators or terrorists, the FBI has agents — lots of them — analyzing and mass-flagging social media posts. Not as part of any criminal investigation, but as a permanent, end-in-itself surveillance operation. People should not be okay with this.

Apparently the FBI justifies this intervention“:
“The FBI regularly engages with private sector entities to provide information specific to identified foreign malign influence actors’ subversive, undeclared, covert, or criminal activities. ”
To which Matt Taibbi says it was not about crime but about about controlling opinions:
“This FBI response is disingenuous on multiple fronts. None of this expains flagging the silly jokes of ordinary Americans with low follower counts. Also, they are clearly not doing this in service of investigating crime. This is about domestic intelligence and opinion control.“
The collusion was comprehensive. The FBI delivered up “products” from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The Twitter team could received reports via something called the Partner Support Portal, an outlet created by the Center for Internet Security, a partner organization to the DHS. They could also get reports from “Teleporter” which is an FBI platform. There is a string of three letter acronym agencies in contact with Twitter, including demands to know why Twitter didn’t take action on a tweet from Donald Trump (you know, The President).

In summary, Matt Taibbi says:

.he takeaway: what most people think of as the “deep state” is really a tangled collaboration of state agencies, private contractors, and (sometimes state-funded) NGOs. The lines become so blurred as to be meaningless.

Speaking of Deep State revelations…

Why are the CIA still hiding files 60 years later?
In 1992 Congress decided the JFK files should be released in 2017, but the files remain locked, even though everyone named in them is dead. The Trump administration promised the files would be released, but Mike Pompeo, director of the CIA, applied intense pressure and they were not released. Today the Biden administration did the same. Tucker Carlson asked someone who has seen them:

We spoke to someone who had access to these still hidden CIA documents, a person who was deeply familiar with what they contained. We asked this person directly, “Did the CIA have a hand in the murder of John F. Kennedy, an American President? And here’s the reply we received verbatim. Quote,

The answer is yes. I believe they were involved. It’s a whole different country from what we thought it was. It’s all fake.

It’s hard to imagine a more jarring response than that. Again, this is not a “conspiracy theorist” that we spoke to. Not even close. This is someone with direct knowledge of the information that once again is being withheld from the American public. And the answer we received was unequivocal.

[pritch]

Interesting but...

In a court case against Fox, the Fox lawyers told the court that no reasonable person believes Tucker Carlson. He is entertainment only. Problem is Fox don't tell their viewers that, and many of them are not all that "reasonable".

Mr Taibbi's story is light on dates. Which administration(s) were in office while these events took place. It could all have been under Trump. We know the Trump White House was directing Twitter as to what they wanted down played. It wasn't just Hnter Biden's doings that were spiked.

[husaberg]

Minutes after voting “not guilty” in Donald Trump’s impeachment trial, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said the former president is clearly to blame for the deadly Capitol riot.

“There’s no question” that Trump “is practically and morally responsible for provoking the events of the day,” McConnell said just after the Senate acquitted Trump of inciting the attack. “No question about it.”

McConnell endorsed the view that “President Trump is still liable for everything he did while he was in office.”

“He didn’t get away with anything, yet,” McConnell said, noting that “we have a criminal justice system in this country. We have civil litigation. And former presidents are not immune from being [held] accountable by either one.”

McConnell, who has previously stated that Trump provoked the mob of his supporters who stormed the Capitol on Jan. 6, also pushed back on some of the arguments made by Trump’s defense team during the trial.

“The issue is not only the president’s intemperate language on January 6th,” McConnell said, but “also the entire manufactured atmosphere of looming catastrophe,” including “the increasingly wild myths of a landslide election that was somehow being stolen.”

[pritch]

Interesting background. Probably make you feel better if you haven't got shares in Tesla.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-FGwDDc-s8

[husaberg]

Interesting background. Probably make you feel better if you haven't got shares in Tesla.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-FGwDDc-s8

Does this also effect imaginary telsa shares?:2thumbsup

[mashman]

Interesting but...

In a court case against Fox, the Fox lawyers told the court that no reasonable person believes Tucker Carlson. He is entertainment only. Problem is Fox don't tell their viewers that, and many of them are not all that "reasonable".

Mr Taibbi's story is light on dates. Which administration(s) were in office while these events took place. It could all have been under Trump. We know the Trump White House was directing Twitter as to what they wanted down played. It wasn't just Hnter Biden's doings that were spiked.

Well that explains it, if Tucker Carlson is mentioned then everything else reported isn't reasonable.

So, you're saying that Trump hamstrung himself by suppressing information that would have sunk his election rival, as well as 'shadow banning' his own supporters, and then kicking himself off the platform on a bullshit technicality? :niceone: (oh, and are you one of the ones in the other thread that says that he loaded the bases in his favour and therefore have to maintain a bullshit narrative?)

[pritch]

Well that explains it, if Tucker Carlson is mentioned then everything else reported isn't reasonable.

So, you're saying that Trump hamstrung himself by suppressing information that would have sunk his election rival, as well as 'shadow banning' his own supporters, and then kicking himself off the platform on a bullshit technicality? :niceone: (oh, and are you one of the ones in the other thread that says that he loaded the bases in his favour and therefore have to maintain a bullshit narrative?)

If you'd translate that into something that makes some sort of sense, I'd try to answer it.

[1/32 man]

Mashman are you another trumper, Fox channel lover and supporter of Tucker Carlson?

Tucker is a hate spreader and obviously falls into the same barrel of monkeys as Taylor-Green and H Walker.
It is just a pity he is given such a loud mouthpiece to spew from.

[TheDemonLord]

Mashman are you another trumper, Fox channel lover and supporter of Tucker Carlson?

If you only had any idea how wrong that statement was, I'm over here dying with laughter.

[mashman]

Mashman are you another trumper, Fox channel lover and supporter of Tucker Carlson?

Tucker is a hate spreader and obviously falls into the same barrel of monkeys as Taylor-Green and H Walker.
It is just a pity he is given such a loud mouthpiece to spew from.

Of course I am, couldn't you tell.

They're all hate spreaders.

[pritch]

Musk and Kushner at the World Cup Final. This picture is appearing all over the world, I wonder if he thinks it breaches one of his new definitions of doxxing.

[1/32 man]

Of course I am, couldn't you tell.

They're all hate spreaders.

No, I can never be sure of things on line.

Can you tell I am a libtard snowflake?

[mashman]

No, I can never be sure of things on line.

Can you tell I am a libtard snowflake?

Me neither, hence I give a shit not about the source so long as the information fits.

I couldn't. Thought I was projecting.

[Laava]

Does anybody else find it ironic that these cunts are trying to lord it over our kiwi farmers, given that their country has historically marched around the world fucking over every culture they came into contact with for their own selfish gains?
Fuckem, we have hungry people in this country that can eat their wares, and prob the farmers will get the same money. (Or, should)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/130784599/tescos-warning-to-new-zealand-farmers

[husaberg]

Does anybody else find it ironic that these cunts are trying to lord it over our kiwi farmers, given that their country has historically marched around the world fucking over every culture they came into contact with for their own selfish gains?
Fuckem, we have hungry people in this country that can eat their wares, and prob the farmers will get the same money. (Or, should)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/130784599/tescos-warning-to-new-zealand-farmers

Nz are the worlds most efficient dairy farmers in regards to carbon footprint anyway. By only about 50%:innocent:
Meats also right up there as well in top few percent.
To counter some less then scrupulous lobby groups start unscientific campaigns like "food miles."
Tescos one seems legit. Science based at least.
Its all about the story.


Tesco was the one selling 60% horse meat "beef" burgers
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-21418342

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/oct/22/horsemeat-scandal-guardian-investigation-public-secrecy

Poms aye

[TheDemonLord]

As a former Brit....


"Fuck Tescos"

(Co-Op or ASDA)

[mashman]

Does anybody else find it ironic that these cunts are trying to lord it over our kiwi farmers, given that their country has historically marched around the world fucking over every culture they came into contact with for their own selfish gains?
Fuckem, we have hungry people in this country that can eat their wares, and prob the farmers will get the same money. (Or, should)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/130784599/tescos-warning-to-new-zealand-farmers

You probably won't, but you should probably come to terms with this (https://www.overshootday.org/newsroom/country-overshoot-days/), because this is the sort of thing they're dealing with/responding to. I've seen a couple of stories regarding UK councils considering shutting towns down to assess average/likely environmental impacts of towns/cities around the UK. I believe Kate's Donut is doing the rounds.

Anyhoo. The graphic in the link shows how sustainable countries are considered to be. Not so long ago the U.K. was on par with, if not slightly worse than NZ. But NZ has slipped from May 5th (from memory) to April 19th in the last 3 or 4 years, while the U.K. has moved slightly. Plant trees and you get carbon credits that make you greener. Planting trees etc... as some form of carbon offset generates lots of 'required' busybodies which will help create jobs and stimulate the economy under the guise of doing the right thing, whilst giving off the illusion that something is actually being done. The greens recently won the legal right to essentially put companies out of business who aren't toeing the line after 2030. Whether ya'll like it or not, the illusionists are coming with new economics and financial systems and, well, I'll leave it there. It's all inherently a band aid shielding virtue signalling, coz those who can afford to pollute (as more go out of business and monopolies form as a natural consequence of not being able to carbon offset your small business) will continue to pollute and simply pay a fine... and so on and so forth. Must cost a lot of credits to ship meat from one end of the world to the other... which is a pretty unnecessary act in and of itself let alone when yer woefully unsustainable. Long road ahead. I'd rather we stopped wasting essential resources on non-essential goods/services, coz then we don't have to fuck around with food systems outwith making them better and so on and so forth.

Ready or not, here it comes.

[R650R]

Nothing in this world is sustainable if the criteria are tough enough... but who gets to decide what the criteria is????
Humanity has reached a tipping point where a combination of collective open source education, freedom of movement, independent citizen media and publishing all threaten the status quo.
The Elite are running scared that someone influential like Elon musk (actually a real version not the klaus Schwabb puppet) could rise up and like a pied piper lead society astray into a new way of living(it could even be mashmans socialist utopia).
So they plan to cull the heard subtly throughout various proven methods wat, famine, disease, sterilisation.... sustainablity fits that package nicely.
Before you know it you’ll be like Germany, freezing to death needlessly while begging to the aggressor for fuel.

[mashman]

Nothing in this world is sustainable if the criteria are tough enough... but who gets to decide what the criteria is????
Humanity has reached a tipping point where a combination of collective open source education, freedom of movement, independent citizen media and publishing all threaten the status quo.
The Elite are running scared that someone influential like Elon musk (actually a real version not the klaus Schwabb puppet) could rise up and like a pied piper lead society astray into a new way of living(it could even be mashmans socialist utopia).
So they plan to cull the heard subtly throughout various proven methods wat, famine, disease, sterilisation.... sustainablity fits that package nicely.
Before you know it you’ll be like Germany, freezing to death needlessly while begging to the aggressor for fuel.

Criteria lol. Evidenced and observable reality should be enough. We are unsustainable. We've known it for some time. We've done absolutely nothing about it but applied greenwashing to try to make the economics that are causing the fuckups in the first place still look viable. It is written in the black and white numbers of our business projections. It is displayed in broad technicolor that the third world, and locally, suffers because of that activity as the use of resource is retasked for useless purposes. Who gets to decide who gets what? Finding out what you can have within sustainable constraints would be useful first, then We can decide what's sensible to produce and who gets it etc... These things should be self-evident, but they aren't, because we're so concerned with what we might lose that we never find out what we can actually have in the first place. Cart before horse, and so on.

But who will eventually get to decide? Outwith the potential resource availability issue, WE will... coz if WE don't/aren't, They will continue to do exactly the same things as that socialist utopia (I speak of transition, not destination) you speak of, because current evidenced reality being the bitch that it is states that half of the people or half of production is required in order for humanity to fluke a future.

The rules and constraints have already been set by our past to current to projected future behaviour. Accept it or leave it up to them to do it their way. This isn't a game that we get to start again... unless some of the "we're here to have a human experience" is true ;).

[sugilite]

CRT was bought up in this thread several pages ago, I said I would do some research and a bit of a report. Having finally done this, I decided to put it in it's own thread as its a bit wordy - despite doing my best to nutshell it. So for the 1.5 people that might care, it is linked below.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/189738-Sugilites-CRT-Report-like-what-is-it?p=1131209654#post1131209654

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Just been reading a few reviews from truck drivers of the New Tesla semi

The biggest complaints seems to be driver comfort ,driver ease, driver convenience

I don't know if the truck drivers understand this already or don't have a clue but..

The Tesla semi wasn't designed to have a driver in it,

They are designed to eventually become driverless.

The day will come when there won't even be a seat or a steering wheel in the Tesla Semi truck let alone a smelly farting truck driver.

[sugilite]

I don't know if the truck drivers understand this already or don't have a clue but..

The Tesla semi wasn't designed to have a driver in it,

They are designed to eventually become driverless.


This initial model was certainly designed to be driven by a human as evidenced by the existence of a steering wheel. Thus yes, tesla certainly do need to take into accounts the needs of drivers, especially in the areas of safety. I too have read truck drivers comments and many appear to be perfectly valid. I've seen reports from drivers that were part of the official tesla trucks division feedback group reporting that almost none of the issues they bought up over the last few years were actually addressed by tesla.
So until tesla have their autonomous driving software sorted, and by Teslas own admission, this is quite some way off, then it would be prudent to have a strong focus on resolving the valid concerns being put forwardby the very people driving the vehicles tesla is manufacturing.

[george formby]

Does anybody else find it ironic that these cunts are trying to lord it over our kiwi farmers, given that their country has historically marched around the world fucking over every culture they came into contact with for their own selfish gains?
Fuckem, we have hungry people in this country that can eat their wares, and prob the farmers will get the same money. (Or, should)
https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/130784599/tescos-warning-to-new-zealand-farmers


They have a long way to go to even begin being ethical, in any way.

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/dec/19/girl-7-raped-at-thai-factory-supplying-clothes-for-tesco-while-mother-worked

[R650R]

But who will eventually get to decide? Outwith the potential resource availability issue, WE will... coz if WE don't/aren't, They will continue to do exactly the same things as that socialist utopia (I speak of transition, not destination) you speak of, because current evidenced reality being the bitch that it is states that half of the people or half of production is required in order for humanity to fluke a future.

The rules and constraints have already been set by our past to current to projected future behaviour. Accept it or leave it up to them to do it their way. This isn't a game that we get to start again... unless some of the "we're here to have a human experience" is true ;).

So please explain.... half of the population.... on what kind of timeline do we get rid of 3.5 billion people without resorting to a mass culling event of some sort. Half the production is not viable as that instantly means mass starvation and mass unemployment both of which lead to major war or major societal problems.
This is pertinent given that alledgedly there is a climate emergency with no time left to act

[R650R]

So until tesla have their autonomous driving software sorted, and by Teslas own admission, this is quite some way off, then it would be prudent to have a strong focus on resolving the valid concerns being put forwardby the very people driving the vehicles tesla is manufacturing.

You just prompted a thought relating to economic viability.
Many truck drivers load their own trucks (a bit less in USA and uk) and have a vested interest either as owner driver or keeping the boss happy to ensure their unit is fully loaded either by weight or cubic metre volume.
Rail gets away with not loading freight cars to max capacity as it’s no big deal due to shear number s involved. But a Tesla is already 5 ton in areas capacity wise. If this isn’t addressed ultimately the consumer pays more.
Now in a driverless world the customers will just deck load their freight. Your freight will have to have more protective packaging to guard against careless actions of unknown third parties. It will like what you see you with couriers caught treating people’s parcels as soccer balls etc.
Also just as has been well proven over years with rail, unattended freight with no chain of accountability due to too many links in chains theft and damage will be endemic.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Tesla worker's in the U.K/Europe have been testing full self driving for over a year

This is a prelude to an introduction on right hand drive Teslas for FSD on the left side of the road

It's only a matter of time before this is released in NZ and Australia.

[husaberg]

Tesla worker's in the U.K/Europe have been testing full self driving for over a year

This is a prelude to an introduction on right hand drive Teslas for FSD on the left side of the road

It's only a matter of time before this is released in NZ and Australia.
What maters is the time....... So care to name the time and the date, and the Year.
After all you claim have all this inside information and that you know more then Telsa NZ does....



In 2015, billionaire Tesla CEO Elon Musk threw down a gauntlet: By 2018, Tesla's cars would drive themselves — so-called "full autonomy," or "Full Self-Driving" in Tesla jargon.

[mashman]

So please explain.... half of the population.... on what kind of timeline do we get rid of 3.5 billion people without resorting to a mass culling event of some sort. Half the production is not viable as that instantly means mass starvation and mass unemployment both of which lead to major war or major societal problems.
This is pertinent given that alledgedly there is a climate emergency with no time left to act

Ya can't really do half the population quickly given that the logistics of who you really shouldn't kill is mindboggling and really rather important. Anyhoo, why have one person burning out on a job when you can have 2 people fighting for the lions share of the hours that that job will provide and all for the same price?

Your persistent dismissal of half of production is kind of amusing given that we produce enough to feed 10 billion people, with money being the factor preventing access to that production i.e. we have everything we need. You've mentioned Klaus in the past. If you understood his financial economics in any way shape or form, outwith yer malthusian fear porn, it would be blindingly obvious that he is going after half of production because he knows that the basics can be provided for for for approximately 10 billion so long as no one goes anywhere or does anything other than work and spend money on bills... which the vast majority are already doing. I get his economics, because they need to go to many of the same places that "my" financial economics have to go to in order to hit the all important point i.e. sustainablility.

Look, that's just the way the evidence rolls outwith echo chambers of bullshit (biased human opinion that reckon we'll all die if we concentrate of providing the basics instead of the bullshit) financial economics that NEVER add the finite planet into their equations as it makes ALL of their financial economics fail... and if you're not doing that in a time of unsustainability, then by definition those echo chamber chants are nothing more than cries for fantasy. Really really ironic, and all printed in black and white and enshrined in modern day financial economics that no one can be bothered learning about with a finite planet involved.

[R650R]

Ya can't really do half the population quickly given that the logistics of who you really shouldn't kill is mindboggling and really rather important. Anyhoo, why have one person burning out on a job when you can have 2 people fighting for the lions share of the hours that that job will provide and all for the same price?

approximately 10 billion so long as no one goes anywhere or does anything other than work and spend money on bills... which the vast majority are already doing.

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Thanks for agreeing that the transition to half population is an unworkable premise due to morals and ethics issues such an act would be no matter how long the timeline.
Two people do half the job of one but each paid ones original money would cause massive price inflation due to extra cash injection needed for this. Even under a communist regime this kind of helicopter money would be destructive. Sadly it’s tsken Jackie girl about five years to work that out all at our expense.

If I don’t go anywhere other than work and pay bills why would I even go to work cause a good socialist regime would give me a minimum universal income anyway. That concept would kill all motivation and innovation in society forever.
If you look at poverty stricken third world countries (that will be the 3.5 billion klaus days already live going nowhere except work) what do we see. I’ll tell you what we see, a meaningless existance that no person currently enjoying the fruits of western society wants.

[mashman]

Thanks for agreeing that the transition to half population is an unworkable premise due to morals and ethics issues such an act would be no matter how long the timeline.
Two people do half the job of one but each paid ones original money would cause massive price inflation due to extra cash injection needed for this. Even under a communist regime this kind of helicopter money would be destructive. Sadly it’s tsken Jackie girl about five years to work that out all at our expense.

If I don’t go anywhere other than work and pay bills why would I even go to work cause a good socialist regime would give me a minimum universal income anyway. That concept would kill all motivation and innovation in society forever.
If you look at poverty stricken third world countries (that will be the 3.5 billion klaus days already live going nowhere except work) what do we see. I’ll tell you what we see, a meaningless existance that no person currently enjoying the fruits of western society wants.

No problem. I tried to keep to morals out of it and simply call them logistics.
That's not what I said. I was highlighting that from a Klaus perspective, there will be 1 job thjat pays 1 wage for that job. 2 people, at least, will fight over the lions share of hours for that job. No new money, no nothing. Keep up... if you can :shifty:

It would kill motivation and non-sanctioned innovation forever, I agree (and it's coming lol). But at least you'd be alive, and as you wouldn't be able to do anything about things being the way things are, you'd be happy about it right? as opposed to living an life of misery that is.
Your world is unsustainable because it has looted, and continues to loot, third world resources (centuries of it to build the western world). You're advocating to keep it that way by stating that you want no part of what has to happen in order to get to sustainability... something completely contradictory to what the evidence states needs to happen. Also, too many current jobs are already meaningless, as well as being counter productive in terms of sustainability. Do you have any logical points to raise or did you drink too much koolaid fear porn?

[R650R]

No problem. I tried to keep to morals out of it and simply call them logistics.
That's not what I said. I was highlighting that from a Klaus perspective, there will be 1 job thjat pays 1 wage for that job. 2 people, at least, will fight over the lions share of hours for that job. No new money, no nothing. Keep up... if you can :shifty:

It would kill motivation and non-sanctioned innovation forever, I agree (and it's coming lol). But at least you'd be alive, and as you wouldn't be able to do anything about things being the way things are, you'd be happy about it right? as opposed to living an life of misery that is.
Your world is unsustainable because it has looted, and continues to loot, third world resources (centuries of it to build the western world). You're advocating to keep it that way by stating that you want no part of what has to happen in order to get to sustainability... something completely contradictory to what the evidence states needs to happen. Also, too many current jobs are already meaningless, as well as being counter productive in terms of sustainability. Do you have any logical points to raise or did you drink too much koolaid fear porn?

I hope you realise that our looting of third world countries has contributed greatly to mans greatest gift to humanity. Mass industrial agriculture bought a massive rise in global population from 2 billion to 7 billion in a short time frame. Giving people life who might otherwise have never been born. In fact some countries might have been destroyed in war with neighboring countries over food wars without it.
Fear pirn.. we’ve had well over 30 years of propoganda and nothing of significance has changed in sea level or climate outside of normal cycles

[mashman]

I hope you realise that our looting of third world countries has contributed greatly to mans greatest gift to humanity. Mass industrial agriculture bought a massive rise in global population from 2 billion to 7 billion in a short time frame. Giving people life who might otherwise have never been born. In fact some countries might have been destroyed in war with neighboring countries over food wars without it.
Fear pirn.. we’ve had well over 30 years of propoganda and nothing of significance has changed in sea level or climate outside of normal cycles

:killingme. You're a part of the right brain/left brain crew aintcha? You're not paying attention. The entire planet was a borderless garden of plenty that sustained unlimited populations of whatever animals chose to grow for the billions of years before man. You're justifying destroying that to the point of massive overshoot, as well as the genocide of far more civilised nations, by claiming that that butchery brought us something. IT lost us far more if todays human wannabes are anything to go by. People made shit happen that made others rich simply because they funded it, is not progress when it limits the technology that can be applied... doubly so when poor efficiency is sought out to grow the number of humans to get them into jobs that should never have existed in the first place.............. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn... that's the way it ios today.
I agree, there has been a fuckload of propaganda along the lines of what our climate is doing. However we did the sea level thing. If levels haven't moved, then there's more water in the ocean given that the earth expands. Levels should have been falling if your argument is to hold any water... but again, left brain right brain people don't deal with reality, only their own limited perception of it ;).
Money is not a pre-requisite for cooperation. That you think it is imperative demonstrates your bias. I can see whay you would think that it is though, because everyone else does too... and therein lies the dichotomy. Sit safe with the numbers or face reality with God at your back.

"Before our white brothers came to civilize us we had no jails. Therefore we had no criminals. You can't have criminals without a jail. We had no locks or keys, and so we had no thieves. If a man was so poor that he had no horse, tipi or blanket, someone gave him these things. We were too uncivilized to set much value on personal belongings. We wanted to have things only in order to give them away. We had no money, and therefore a man's worth couldn't be measured by it. We had no written law, no attorneys or politicians, therefore we couldn't cheat. We really were in a bad way before the white men came, and I don't know how we managed to get along without these basic things which, we are told, are absolutely necessary to make a civilized society." - John Lame Deer

[sugilite]

So the cops number 1 suspect for stalking musk is a member of his own security team, you can't make this shit up :laugh:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/20/police-provide-first-official-details-on-elon-musks-alleged-stalker-incident

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

So the cops number 1 suspect for stalking musk is a member of his own security team, you can't make this shit up :laugh:
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/dec/20/police-provide-first-official-details-on-elon-musks-alleged-stalker-incident
Mainstream media make alot of shit up.

How else are the going to get you to click on the article,by telling the truth? ..

[F5 Dave]

I hear they faked the moon landing. I mean did you see the flag? Obviously CIA signalling. Yeah.

[R650R]

:killingme. You're a part of the right brain/left brain crew aintcha? You're not paying attention. The entire planet was a borderless garden of plenty that sustained unlimited populations of whatever animals chose to grow for the billions of years before man. You're justifying destroying that to the point of massive overshoot, as well as the genocide of far more civilised nations, by claiming that that butchery brought us something. IT lost us far more if todays human wannabes are anything to go by. People made shit happen that made others rich simply because they funded it, is not progress when it limits the technology that can be applied... doubly so when poor efficiency is sought out to grow the number of humans to get them into jobs that should never have existed in the first place.............. Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn... that's the way it ios today.
I agree, there has been a fuckload of propaganda along the lines of what our climate is doing. However we did the sea level thing. If levels haven't moved, then there's more water in the ocean given that the earth expands. Levels should have been falling if your argument is to hold any water... but again, left brain right brain people don't deal with reality, only their own limited perception of it ;).
Money is not a pre-requisite for cooperation. That you think it is imperative demonstrates your bias. I can see whay you would think that it is though, because everyone else does too... and therein lies the dichotomy. Sit safe with the numbers or face reality with God at your back.

"Before our white brothers came to civilize us we had no jails. Therefore we had no criminals. You can't have criminals without a jail. We had no locks or keys, and so we had no thieves. If a man was so poor that he had no horse, tipi or blanket, someone gave him these things. We were too uncivilized to set much value on personal belongings. We wanted to have things only in order to give them away. We had no money, and therefore a man's worth couldn't be measured by it. We had no written law, no attorneys or politicians, therefore we couldn't cheat. We really were in a bad way before the white men came, and I don't know how we managed to get along without these basic things which, we are told, are absolutely necessary to make a civilized society." - John Lame Deer

While that last quote sounds terribly romantic I think you’ll find all Iindigenous cultures/races experienced inter tribal warfare or other such problems.
On our local cycle trail there’s is a site that was the scene of such drama. It seems one chap wasn’t so keen on collecting his own seaafood so he stole it from a rival tribe. Much blood was shed, sometime before the white man ever came.
Ancient people needed no jails as generally you chopped off heads or handsome etc, repeat offending was therefore quite rare. We still see such practices today in Middle East and you can’t say they’ve been colonised by the White man....

[pritch]

Ancient people needed no jails as generally you chopped off heads or handsome etc, repeat offending was therefore quite rare. We still see such practices today in Middle East and you can’t say they’ve been colonised by the White man....

True. In the Middle East today though such practices are not inflicted on Arabs. The main event in the market square on Fridays is the lopping off of limbs of immigrant workers. People from the Phillipines, Bangladesh and Pakistan featuring.

[mashman]

While that last quote sounds terribly romantic I think you’ll find all Iindigenous cultures/races experienced inter tribal warfare or other such problems.
On our local cycle trail there’s is a site that was the scene of such drama. It seems one chap wasn’t so keen on collecting his own seaafood so he stole it from a rival tribe. Much blood was shed, sometime before the white man ever came.
Ancient people needed no jails as generally you chopped off heads or handsome etc, repeat offending was therefore quite rare. We still see such practices today in Middle East and you can’t say they’ve been colonised by the White man....

Absolutely, we have a bloody past that still continues too. Even still, the writing of most indigenous takeovers generally involves the genocide taking place of a peaceful people i.e. peaceful to them and happy to trade etc... but not to submit to the crown etc... Why would the winners of history not give those people a bloody past, paint them as savages to justify stealing the land that they belonged to.
Yes, some cultures did/do indeed kill people who committed crimes that weren't tolerated by society... most of them are the richest countries in the world today. Wonder how they got that way.
C'mon, really, that's your last bastion of argument? They indigenous got what they deserved? I think you'll find the vast majority of the claim of savagery more projected Fear Porn than the actual way of life you seem to be making out to be.

Edity: and those countries are also among the greatest unsustainable nations in the world.

[F5 Dave]

Britain, France and Russia had thier hands all through the middle east.

[R650R]

Absolutely, we have a bloody past that still continues too. Even still, the writing of most indigenous takeovers generally involves the genocide taking place of a peaceful people i.e. peaceful to them and happy to trade etc... but not to submit to the crown etc... Why would the winners of history not give those people a bloody past, paint them as savages to justify stealing the land that they belonged to.
Yes, some cultures did/do indeed kill people who committed crimes that weren't tolerated by society... most of them are the richest countries in the world today. Wonder how they got that way.
C'mon, really, that's your last bastion of argument? They indigenous got what they deserved? I think you'll find the vast majority of the claim of savagery more projected Fear Porn than the actual way of life you seem to be making out to be.

Edity: and those countries are also among the greatest unsustainable nations in the world.

How can land ever be stolen if your ultimate socialist utopia means everyone has access to everything and creates only to give to others?
Doesn’t everything belong to Mother Nature?

Savagery examples.... Brits vs Scots, all that Braveheart era stuff, white fill stabbing other white folk.
The whole Greek/Persia thing like 300 movie we are Spartans ... lots of olive complexion people killing other olive complexion people...
The Mongols (originals of Middle Ages not the MC) and their absolutely savage stomp across Central Asia is prob unmatched by anything else.
Uk vs irish where white people happily letvother white people starve to death in the potato famine.
Do I need to mention Pol pot, Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Stalin...

If anything the Colonisation of large parts of the world by Grest Britain probably ensured much stability to otherwise fragile nations. Just look at Hong Kong before they gave it back. There’s been large protests by the indigenous population saying their pretty sure they don’t want to go back to living under traditional Chinese rule...,

[pritch]

This thread is "stupid world" and this is sure as Hell stupid.

I'd laugh, but if this twat really believes this nonsense his family need to arrange professional help.

Oh, but I can help him with why the evidence has vanished...





Update. I've since seen a post that says this "statement" is not genuine. It's getting difficult to tell with a person elected to Congress explaining that the Californian forest fires were started by Jewish lasers from outer space and the then President stating that problem arose because the forest floors were not swept clean.

[Hoonicorn]

This thread is "stupid world" and this is sure as Hell stupid.

I'd laugh, but if this twat really believes this nonsense his family need to arrange professional help.

Oh, but I can help him with why the evidence has vanished...

Well you better not laugh, the very same Italian made CIA controlled satellites were used to generate votes for a bat to win NZ bird of the year in 2021 https://www.bbc.co.uk/newsround/59120252.

[mashman]

How can land ever be stolen if your ultimate socialist utopia means everyone has access to everything and creates only to give to others?
Doesn’t everything belong to Mother Nature?

Savagery examples.... Brits vs Scots, all that Braveheart era stuff, white fill stabbing other white folk.
The whole Greek/Persia thing like 300 movie we are Spartans ... lots of olive complexion people killing other olive complexion people...
The Mongols (originals of Middle Ages not the MC) and their absolutely savage stomp across Central Asia is prob unmatched by anything else.
Uk vs irish where white people happily letvother white people starve to death in the potato famine.
Do I need to mention Pol pot, Saddam Hussein, Gaddafi, Stalin...

If anything the Colonisation of large parts of the world by Grest Britain probably ensured much stability to otherwise fragile nations. Just look at Hong Kong before they gave it back. There’s been large protests by the indigenous population saying their pretty sure they don’t want to go back to living under traditional Chinese rule...,

Bingo. All versions of history written by the victors who get to describe who their opponents were and why they needed to be civilised a bit more under someone else's guidance. Maori, Aborigine, African, Indian, Incan, Irish, Scottish etc... were all traded with peacefully before something changed. Turns out some leaders were cunts and had forgotten that they belonged to the people and not the other way around... now the reversal is enshrined through the establishment hierarchy to keep people from questioning the foundations on which their sociwety is built... among other things.

[Berries]

I blame the Romans.

[mashman]

O Holy Crap
(https://www.thefp.com/p/an-elegy-to-all-my-crap)... "My local Montana landfill is full of the remains of short-lived coffee grinders, pens, peelers, laptops. After Christmas, I’ll need to reserve a bigger plot.".

heh... gotta admit I had a mini moment yesterday lamenting the numerous little failures at a basic level. Our media player will no longer talk to the TV. It did so the day before before the girls took it for a movie night, but no longer. Tis stunning just how shit so much shit is today... alas, that's the need to keep yer customers coming back for more for ya.

[Laava]

This thread is "stupid world" and this is sure as Hell stupid.

I'd laugh, but if this twat really believes this nonsense his family need to arrange professional help.

Oh, but I can help him with why the evidence has vanished...
Yep, well, our thermostat has voted green and now no longer switches on. I blame Greta.

[Laava]

I blame the Romans.
Yep, l struggle to think of anything they did to help us in a positive way?

[F5 Dave]

Well, there was the Aquaducts. . .

I learned everything I needs to know about them from Astrix books. :yes:

[R650R]

Yep, l struggle to think of anything they did to help us in a positive way?

The clever buggers added ash to concrete greatly increasing it’s strength. And the built a pretty damn good road network.

[mashman]

I blame the Romans.

Me too. Like a modern day dragons den, they stole the best ideas from cultures and then filled the history books claiming that they made them. For example... the first I find particularly amusing for obvious reasons


Well, there was the Aquaducts. . .

I learned everything I needs to know about them from Astrix books. :yes:

... that was the Assyrians.


The clever buggers added ash to concrete greatly increasing it’s strength. And the built a pretty damn good road network.

... and that was the Nabateans (hydraulic concrete no less)

See, people can learn all sorts of stuff wrongly so long as they read one book before the other first ;)


I blame the Romans.

They did make people Cross.

[mashman]

Senate Republicans block CROWN legislation again. But advocates aren’t deterred. (https://nz.news.yahoo.com/senate-republicans-block-crown-legislation-again-but-advocates-arent-deterred-200840509.html)

Critical Hair Theory: CROWN - Creating a Respectful and Open World for Natural Hair

Wow.

[pritch]

They did make people Cross.

Herman the German (Arminius to the Romans) knew how to handle the Romans.

Back in the day the Romans would take prominent leaders or their sons to Rome. They'd show them the buildings, the political system, and let them see the army training.
These people were then intended to go home and say there was no chance of beating the Romans, they were just too advanced.

Herman was given the full treatment. Instead of going home with the intended pessimistic message, he went home with the answer. Fight them in the forests.

[F5 Dave]

MMA (Google it) has shown the fallacy of martial arts. Most only train and defeat attackers using the same principles.

[pritch]

MMA (Google it)

Google it? My nephew was doing it.

[mashman]

Herman the German (Arminius to the Romans) knew how to handle the Romans.

Back in the day the Romans would take prominent leaders or their sons to Rome. They'd show them the buildings, the political system, and let them see the army training.
These people were then intended to go home and say there was no chance of beating the Romans, they were just too advanced.

Herman was given the full treatment. Instead of going home with the intended pessimistic message, he went home with the answer. Fight them in the forests.

Ironic that he was eventually assassinated by those he saved from colonisation.

[F5 Dave]

Google it? My nephew was doing it.

I'm not a violence person ( I got enough throwing the earth at myself at various racetracks). But it is an interesting case study on conventional wisdom.

Ooh mashed potato said something. I'll bet it was sub moronic.

[pritch]

Reports, some brutal, say Musk is in trouble. His buffoonery at Twitter has placed Tesla at risk. Apparently Tesla are recalling hundreds of thousands of cars. Tesla did not have a good year and are facing difficulties with other manufacturers producing better cars or similar quality cars cheaper.

In such matters perception becomes reality. The ‘genius’ needs to focus on something. Now would be good.

[R650R]

Reports, some brutal, say Musk is in trouble. His buffoonery at Twitter has placed Tesla at risk. Apparently Tesla are recalling hundreds of thousands of cars. Tesla did not have a good year and are facing difficulties with other manufacturers producing better cars or similar quality cars cheaper.

In such matters perception becomes reality. The ‘genius’ needs to focus on something. Now would be good.

He’s getting taken to the cleaners over the semi, his own vids used to debunk him. The economics used to say his truck was cheaper than diesel was based on 7 cents kw/h supercharger electricity. Trouble is his own Tesla supercharger network charges Tesla car drivers 50 cents kw/h.

[R650R]

MMA (Google it) has shown the fallacy of martial arts. Most only train and defeat attackers using the same principles.

Well as Long as they are defeating their attackers that’s all that matters.
Most people who are into that stuff will train across other fighting sport disciplines.
Even going to another MMA club in same town can be valuable learning.

Because of its televised sporting popularity Brazilian Jiu Jitsu is what the average joe thinks MMA is. However proper mixed martial arts covers all type of fighting.
The most important thing a decent club will teach you though is to not fight, you can never be 100% how something will pan out.

The most powerful weapon we have is words...

[pritch]

He’s getting taken to the cleaners over the semi, his own vids used to debunk him.

This guy agrees with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3dCDNIRM34

[mashman]

Congress killed a landmark wildlife bill to preserve a massive crypto tax loophole (https://finance.yahoo.com/news/congress-killed-landmark-wildlife-bill-201900415.html)... says it all really.

[pritch]

Overnight I saw an item that depending on where you live and your driving record, all the usual factors, it will cost between US$3,000 and $4,000 to insure your Tesla for a year. Very expensive compared to other cars. You could buy quite a lot of gas for the difference.

Be interesting to know if that applies to other EV brands.

[kawaaiguy]

Overnight I saw an item that depending on where you live and your driving record, all the usual factors, it will cost between US$3,000 and $4,000 to insure your Tesla for a year. Very expensive compared to other cars. You could buy quite a lot of gas for the difference.

Be interesting to know if that applies to other EV brands.

EVs are an environmental nightmare and just-so-much bullshit. Without the govt subsidy/propaganda, I doubt any sane person would buy one.

[R650R]

Overnight I saw an item that depending on where you live and your driving record, all the usual factors, it will cost between US$3,000 and $4,000 to insure your Tesla for a year. Very expensive compared to other cars. You could buy quite a lot of gas for the difference.

Be interesting to know if that applies to other EV brands.

The number and consequences of EV fires won’t have gone unnoticed by underwriters. It’s quite common knowledge now that they can take days to extinguish and the continued heat intensity will result in additional third party loss claims.
Clean up costs will be higher as your not just carting that wreck to scrap dealer.

[Laava]

Overnight I saw an item that depending on where you live and your driving record, all the usual factors, it will cost between US$3,000 and $4,000 to insure your Tesla for a year. Very expensive compared to other cars. You could buy quite a lot of gas for the difference.

Be interesting to know if that applies to other EV brands.
Are you just winding up our local fanboi?

[onearmedbandit]

And then there's this. I still have many close contacts in the industry and this has been a concern.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/128270062/shipping-giant-mol-confirms-it-has-stopped-carrying-used-evs-over-safety-concern

[pritch]

Found this Australian guy this morning. He appears to have thought about things and done some sums. It's quite long but worth the time I thought. Apart from the arithmetic, he makes the point that if the figures stacked up Tesla would be shouting them from the roof tops - but they ain't saying nowt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-TUfTwWdHM

[F5 Dave]

So from now, only top deck storage, a fire detector and an automatic Trebuchet:woohoo: so sling your burning EV into the sea.

Could be embarrassing if in port dock at the time.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Did someone mention Tesla?!



https://youtu.be/w64hH8_POgs

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Did someone mention Tesla?!



https://youtu.be/w64hH8_POgs

Hi there, My names Al, you can call me Mr Bundy,I'm the foremost expert on anything Tesla, and also the best looking biker on this site.

Tesla Model Y has been given a 97% safety rating in OZ and NZ by Ancap.

The highest safety rating of any previous ice or electric vehicle in these 2 former prison colonies of mother England.

Order yours today!

https://www.ancap.com.au/safety-ratings/tesla/model-y/726c22

[pritch]

Did someone mention Tesla?!


The Nasdaq certainly did. Under his management, or lack thereof, the share price dropped to just above $150, the next day it dropped to under $140.
Currently it's $125.35. Musk is worth a lot less than he was before he started mucking about with Twitter and revealing the true level of his ability.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

The Nasdaq certainly did. Under his management, or lack thereof, the share price dropped to just above $150, the next day it dropped to under $140.
Currently it's $125.35. Musk is worth a lot less than he was before he started mucking about with Twitter and revealing the true level of his ability.

I'm unconcerned, the share price doesn't represent the fundamentals of the company, it's got 20bil in free cashflow to weather next years global recession.

[R650R]

https://youtu.be/A-M9Z6F18Vk

[pete376403]

I'm unconcerned, the share price doesn't represent the fundamentals of the company, it's got 20bil in free cashflow to weather next years global recession.
If you believe that's true then you should be in there now, increasing your position while the price is low

[F5 Dave]

He has unlimited imaginary funds.

[husaberg]

I'm unconcerned, the share price doesn't represent the fundamentals of the company, it's got 20bil in free cashflow to weather next years global recession.

That's because the share price drop will only effect those that actually have shares in the company.
Using traditional maths skills a 17% drop in value is nearly 1/5th of your claimed 1000%.
but we already pointed out your claims of this were also imaginary rather the tangible.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

If you believe that's true then you should be in there now, increasing your position while the price is low

Well ahead of you my friend well ahead of you...

[husaberg]

Well ahead of you my friend well ahead of you...

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[Hoonicorn]

That's because the share price drop will only effect those that actually have shares in the company.
Using traditional maths skills a 17% drop in value is nearly 1/5th of your claimed 1000%.
but we already pointed out your claims of this were also imaginary rather the tangible.

The markets are falling, every major company is being hit, but Tesla in particular is being hit because Elon has been selling shares - there is some nuance to that, which I won't get into here. Regardless, Tesla went up 2% after hours trading when he announced he won't be selling more shares. This current 17% slump is also nothing when you compare to the growth of 337% over the 3 years prior.

Now, there's still a lot that Tesla needs to do to improve, I don't have time to read all your posts to get a clear perspective on your stance, so you might not be anti electric, but maybe anti-battery or anti-telsa? The idea of electric, automated delivery trucks isn't impractical. But you're arguing about charging costs of up to 50c when diesel is at record highs, and is worse for carbon emissions than petrol. Carbon tax on diesel will only continue to rise meanwhile electricity production is only getting greener.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Tesla share price and share market and NZ housing market down because of high interest rates.

Tesla down more because any large price items like a new car or house is more expensive to buy with debt or put on tick.

Elon Musk said Tesla will cut profit margins to take market share (from competitors) in 2023 during recession.

Tesla makes about 30% profit margin on every vehicle sold, the largest profit in any auto manufacturer.

The share price won't be as high because of this, but you will see more and more Teslas on the road, and when the economy recovers in 12 or so months...boom! Share price will explode up!(disclaimer:not investment advice).

Money is Al Bundy's online friend..lol.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Sources tell me Husenberg has more friends online than in the real world and that most of her online friends are bots.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Elon Musk said Tesla will cut profit margins to take market share (from competitors) in 2023 during recession.
you will see more and more Teslas on the road,

Why will you see more Teslas on the road in 2023?

Teslas are priced for the upper middle class in NZ

When prices are lowered and it costs you roughly the same to put a brand new Tesla on tick finance than to full your pre historic Remurewa SUV up for a $160 per week, then this takes massive market share of the middle class


But wait, theres more...

Tesla is working on a 30k model where the working class or even bikers can afford a Tesla

You really didn't think you were going hold on to your old Nokia phone for ever did you?



https://youtu.be/7edeOEuXdMU

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Some basic napkin numbers

New Ford Ranger 70k

Finance 380 per week over 5 years
Fuel 160 per week

-$540 PW

Vs

Tesla Model Y 76k

Down payment $7825 (sell your car for scrap metal)

Tesla finance @8.15% 5years

$270 per week including estimated fuel savings, government EV discount

...it's already happening.

These are basic napkin numbers but should be fairly close, this is why I believe 1 in every 3 cars in NZ will be a Tesla from 2027.

Which is why Tesla is building more giga factories around the world to keep up with supply and demand.

[sugilite]

Yep, I can see all the farmers lining up to trade in their rangers for the model Y :laugh:
Napkin economics mixed with toilet paper logic. :rolleyes:

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Wowsers I just blew everyone's mind on this biker site...

[nerrrd]

I'm noticing a lot of Teslas on the roads already up here.

By the time I can afford an electric car, no doubt the subsidies and RUC exemptions will have been removed and the electricity companies will be behaving just like the oil companies do now.

Having said that, I'll need something with a removable battery to be able to charge at home, so it's unlikely to be a car anyway.

[pritch]

The big auto manufacturers are not going to sit back and watch Tesla.

And then there's this...

[Hoonicorn]

Yep, I can see all the farmers lining up to trade in their rangers for the model Y :laugh:
Napkin economics mixed with toilet paper logic. :rolleyes:

Telsa's ute is the Cyber Truck, which has 3 million pre-orders. With pressure on farmers to reduce their emissions, many won't have a choice in 5-10 years, it will be an electric "something".

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Yep, I can see all the farmers lining up to trade in their rangers for the model Y :laugh:
Napkin economics mixed with toilet paper logic. :rolleyes:

Are you referring to the tens of thousands of Farmer Kens and Karens that live in central Auckland , driving SUV trucks and farm designer underwear?

[Hoonicorn]

The big auto manufacturers are not going to sit back and watch Tesla.

And then there's this...

And Ford dropped almost 20% this month too. The main thing keeping companies like Ford afloat are their old gas guzzlers and are only now making EVs because of political pressure. Should we just buy petrol cars until Ford can get their act together can catch up to Tesla? Support the same car makers that had decades to make EVs mainstream but didn't :scratch: Why exactly, for a grudge or luddite thinking?

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[nerrrd]

And Ford dropped almost 20% this month too. The main thing keeping companies like Ford afloat are their old gas guzzlers and are only now making EVs because of political pressure. Should we just buy petrol cars until Ford can get their act together can catch up to Tesla? Support the same car makers that had decades to make EVs mainstream but didn't :scratch: Why exactly, for a grudge or luddite thinking?

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Is luddite the right analogy? There's a lot more technology in efficient modern combustion engines than in the average electric motor, which is probably why companies like Ford are trying to get as much return on their existing R and D investment for as long as they can.

Economies of scale is what made cars affordable for the masses, I can understand them needing to wait until the demand has reached a certain level before making the transition.

[R650R]

This thread has gone astray. I suggest fanboy goes and starts a Tesla semi truck thread so we can keep a tab on all things it doesn’t end up delivering on....
The car version is what it is an all ev cars are prob fine for a lot of people who don’t travel much.
Bit the truck version suffers majorly in efficiency in times of driver shortage and lack of capacity in industry, even getting people to handle freight at either ends is serious problem.
Covid disruption to the freight industry should have sounded alarm bells about while concept of electric vehicle freight systems.
Just imagine a disaster where major transmission lines are cut. At least with petroleum products energy density it’s easy to airdrop supplies in of fuel. I don’t see lithium battery packs surviving a parachute drop out back of a C130 Hercules.

[R650R]

Most if is who are not fans of being forced into EV world aren’t luddites or anti anything.

We are just Pro freedom of movement. Electric will never fully compete on range and speed of refueling. I love the massive flat torque curve and perfect traction control EV will offer but petroleum products allow average joe to travel anywhere anytime in this world.

[husaberg]

Yep, I can see all the farmers lining up to trade in their rangers for the model Y :laugh:
Napkin economics mixed with toilet paper logic. :rolleyes:

Not only that he Despite claiming he's comparing purchase and running costs he then goers adds in estimated fuel savings and takes it off the finance cost
then goes and adds fuel to the price of a ranger without doing the same for the teslas charging. nor the cost of installing chargers in their home
That is yokel math on used toilet paper.
he also doesn't include the trade in at the end what's that teslsa with its aging near end of life battery going to be worth compared to a ranger.

not only that he makes claims of 30% profit margins
sounds excellent as Toyota is only 19%
but the issue is this claim of Telsa is Gross margin its main propped up with the subsidies and emission credits it received these are now largely stopping. As other companies make competing vehicles


esla’s regulatory credit business model
Since Tesla receives all these regulatory credits for free, it can essentially sell them for a 100% profit. This has been behind its recent profitable quarters.
Tesla relies on large automakers to purchase credits from it.
One example is Stellantis, a company formed through the merger of France’s PSA Group and Italy’s Fiat Chrysler Automobiles. Stellantis bought about 2 billion euros ($2.43 billion) of European and U.S. green credits from Tesla between 2019 and 2021, according to Reuters.
But Carlos Tavares, the CEO of Stellantis, said in an interview with French publication Le Point, that the company could meet emissions targets this year.
That means it would no longer need to buy credits from companies like Tesla,



It also excludes the fact that up until now they enjoyed little competition that has changes they also enjoyed a perceived premium based on the Made in US
this now will stopped as the car made in China doesn't have the same allure....

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Some basic napkin numbers

New Ford Ranger 70k

Finance 380 per week over 5 years
Fuel 160 per week

-$540 PW

Vs

Tesla Model Y 76k

Down payment $7825 (sell your car for scrap metal)

Tesla finance @8.15% 5years

$270 per week including estimated fuel savings, government EV discount

...it's already happening.

These are basic napkin numbers but should be fairly close, this is why I believe 1 in every 3 cars in NZ will be a Tesla from 2027.

Which is why Tesla is building more giga factories around the world to keep up with supply and demand.

I'm also not adding in that Tesla's don't require annual or servicing intervals

And if you haven't upgraded your Tesla after it's paid off, you now have a mode of transport that doesn't require fuel so your transport costs fall to about 20 bucks a week , where as your pre historic Ford Ranger will probably cost $200 PW on fuel in 5 years to own plus the on going cost of repairing an internal combustion engine!

Your Tesla battery is designed to last 800,000 Kms.

It's like living in a mortgage free home after 5 years!



https://youtu.be/JmEyUOLDGFA

[husaberg]

Your Tesla battery is designed to last 800,000 Kms.

You are confusing a Elon musk claims with reality.

Teslas battery warranty Tesla only guarantees 70 percent battery retention during the covered period
Model S/Model X Warranty: These models are covered by an 8-year/150,000-mile warranty, whichever comes first.
Model Y/Model 3 Short Range Warranty: The short-range variants of these models are covered for 8 years/100,000 miles.
Model Y/Model 3 Long Range Warranty: The long-range variants are covered for 8 years/120,000 miles.


ie if its not less than 30 degraded it is not covered.
even if its cover telsa reserves the right not to replace it with new one but they can replace it with lesser standard or secondhand one.
they even reserve the right of how to test the battery without even naming it....


For warranty claims specific to Battery capacity, the replacement Battery will be in a condition appropriate to the age and mileage of the vehicle sufficient to achieve or exceed the minimum Battery capacity for the remainder of the warranty period of the original Battery. Note that the vehicle's range estimates are an imperfect measure of Battery capacity because they are affected by additional factors separate from Battery capacity. The measurement method used to determine Battery capacity, and the decision of whether to repair, replace or provide reconditioned or re-manufactured parts, and the condition of any such replaced, reconditioned or re-manufactured parts are at the sole discretion of Tesla.”


these battery quality and warrantee issues will be interesting to track as so many now will be made in China.

[mashman]

This thread has gone astray.

No it hasn't, there's some serious QED going on.

[pritch]

You are confusing a Elon musk claims with reality.



Many people are. Musk makes many predictions some of which may eventuate but many more don't. His clown show at Twitter should have killed off the "genus" tag forever.

[F5 Dave]

All this talk about cars? Who gives a Rats?

Off to boxing day races day after. Not taking a boring car. Long way home too over a couple of days.

[R650R]

All this talk about cars? Who gives a Rats?

Off to boxing day races day after. Not taking a boring car. Long way home too over a couple of days.

AKA tommorow. ;)

[TheDemonLord]

Here is what you said - "Further to this - when a Mum comes out and says 'I have two Trans Kids' - all I hear is "I'm abusing my children" - not only that, I've heard multiple anecdotes from people that go along these lines:"
So I'm exempt from this statement because I'm a man? Or because I only have one trans?

Yes, I stand by the statement.

1% self-identification (at any stage of their life) followed by a 60-80% recanting of that identification - that's a 0.0036% chance of happening.

Not completely impossible - granted, but so unlikely as to generate suspicion.

Then you factor in other societal factors, which I've referenced - that is seems clear that for some people (mostly autistic teenage girls) that there is an element of social contagion.

There is more than enough anecdotal evidence out there - whether it's a 5,000% increase in the number of self-reporting of Trans identity after adopting the maxims of Gender theory in a school - or the self-reports of people that have de-transitioned who say that they went down a rabbit hole where people encouraged them.

As for whether you are exempt from this because you are a Man - Abuse, based on the Sex of the abuser, varies - Men are generally more physical, Women are generally more mental when it comes to Abuse.

This is not me being some bluff old traditionalist (or Misogynist), but this is well documented in Social Science literature. As a single example, Munchhausen by Proxy has a gender rate of 75% in favour of the Mother, and just 6% of the Father.

The last line, I trust the maths has explained that.


Your many blanket generalizations that you refuse to pull back from and then go on to double down with after I made a attempt at a serious conversation - honestly, why would I bother talking with you further on this subject? I now consider the whole trans subject closed with you, not because you beat me back with good points, rather I see no point conversing with someone that is not willing to engage in a talk of possible solutions, you just want to stir the pot with shit tons of those blanket generalizations you love so much.

We'll get to that.


It seems to me, you are so determined to put me in a box. The reason I come across as being so left with you, is because 80+% of our conversations are in the Trump thread where you unwaveringly defended the indefensible - and I add all the trump apologists into that which if course is made up of nearly the whole republican party. How is that working out for them now btw?- The prior unwavering support of a reprehensible human being. 3 time losers and counting. The fact the repubs are just now cottoning on to how toxic trump is for their party beggars belief.

I'm pretty sure in many instances I've called you a Centrist.

However, there are many issues where you have inherited the Left-wing framing of an issue - that's fine, where my biggest frustration (if you can even call it that) is - that you are so much closer than you realise to my position on many issues, the only difference is that you hold a charitable view that I have long since abandoned on the opposition.


The truth of it as I have tried many times to explain to you. Is I despise pollies in equal measure, just in different ways.

The Pollies, though are downstream, by several orders of the source of the Problem. By the time the Politicians are involved, it's a major issue.


Thus it matters not to me when you point out my views are the same as the right, or left. The same as I view a good idea as being simply a good idea. I do not care where it came from, marxist, conservative, the tooth fairy. I simply do not care. A good idea, is a good idea. My observation is you need to scrutinize and assign political slants on near any given situation and if it comes from the left, trash it. I've lost count of your "deep marxist roots" attributions.

And this is the charitable view that I'm talking about. One group (the Marxists) have a stated end-goal: A Glorious revolution, followed by a dictatorship of the Proletariat, followed by Socialism, followed by the Communist Utopia.

A nice dream, but the reality is tyranny and blooshed on a scale that I can barely comprehend. I don't want that.

So, when a self-declared marxist comes up with an idea, specifically to criticize an existing institution (which will be inherently flawed and imperfect), with the goal of undermining it - I do not grant them that Charity that you do.

Earlier on - you talked about denying Medical transitions to someone under the age of 25 and that there's fundamental biological differences between the Sexes that mean Sex segregation in Sport should be maintained - here's a challenge for you:

Create throwaway account on some pro-SJW or Pro-Trans or otherwise just left-leaning forum and tell them you have a Trans adult child, you love them and support them and that you hold those opinions.

I give it up to 6 posts before you are called a Conservative or a Trumper or a 1930s German or just outright banned for violating the Forum Policy.

See how far your Good idea gets you.

Now, in terms of your good ideas - how about these:


All I can state, ell that led me to modify my positions of the second sex is that the class struggle proper does not emancipate woman. Whether you-take communists, trotskyists, or maoists, there is always a subordination of woman to man. Consequently; I became convinced that women had to become feminist, that they should analyse society quite seriously, to try end understand the relation between workers' end women's exploitation. And to what extent the suppression of capitalism would bring about conditions more favourable to feminine emancipation, I don't know. It remains to be done. I am certain of one thing, to suppress capitalism does not mean to suppress the patriarchal tradition, as long as the family continues to exist. I believe it necessary not only to suppress capitalism, and to change the means of production, but also to change the family structure.

That's Simone de Beauvoir, a foundational Feminist.


Abolish the Family traces the history of family abolitionist demands, beginning with nineteenth century utopian socialist and sex radical Charles Fourier, the Communist Manifesto and early-twentieth century Russian family abolitionist Alexandra Kollontai. Turning her attention to the 1960s, Lewis reminds us of the anti-family politics of radical feminists like Shulamith Firestone and the gay liberationists, a tradition she traces to the queer marxists bringing family abolition to the twenty-first century.

That's Sophie Lewis, Scholar for Gender, Sexuality and Women.


What, then, is the way forward? Firstly, we must acknowledge that the total abolition of gender is, at this point, a utopian dream. Because gender is influenced by, and enshrined in, religion, medicine, law, culture and so on, its abolition involves the revision of the most foundational aspects of society.

That's from this article: https://www.cherwell.org/2021/10/09/gender-abolition-why-it-matters/

Remember in the book when the author said she wanted everyone to be confused about her Gender?

That's a revolutionary statement. That is their end goal, they say it's their end goal, the quote philosophers who say it's their end goal - and yet when I point this out...


So before you try once again to assign me to a box, consider this....

In this debate, the only box(s) I've put you in are:

1: A reasonable Centrist
2: As right wing as I am when you made a Biological Essentialist argument

The latter being partially tongue in cheek, partially to make the point as to how far gone the other side is and how removed your reasonable ideas are from them.


I do subscribe to the saying if you do not vote, you lose the right to moan. I'm very unimpressed with Labor. I kinda thought Winston may have shot down and held them back from implementing worthwhile policy, but since having the numbers to rule alone, I now can see they are simply a shit Government that gets very little achieved - compared to what they could have done with the numbers they had - and squandered.

Why?

Here's a suggestion: Their policies are based on Marxist presuppositions which when translated into the real world don't work.


I stopped voting for greens 3 cycles ago when I considered actual green issues were not actually what they stood for.

Why?

Here's a suggestion: Their policies are based on Marxist presuppositions which when translated into the real world don't work.


I'm going to very carefully consider acts policies as well as national before deciding and holding my nose as I vote for the least shit bunch of pollies available. So I guess in a scathing way, I'm a swing voter - the very kind of voter that fucked over the wackadoodle republicans so called red wave.

There's no love lost for me from National, that said Chris Luxon has been saying the Magical R word a lot more recently - 'Repeal' which gives me some hope.

David Seymour - I mean it's no secret I'm a fanboy - but here's one snippet for you - I asked him a question about the 'Deep Marxist roots' - and he responded that he had read James Lindsay's work and was aware of the influence of the Frankfurt school.

Whether that gives you feelings of joy or feelings of dread, I'll leave that to you.



And a fun fact, my last post was censored by a KB moderator. I dared to use your first name in an attempt to show you this was me seriously trying to talk with you as a person, rather than our usual internet trolley type banter we both usually engage in. Apparently kb is no place for shock horror - first names! Fuck it is hardly doxing using a fairly common first name eh. I'm an Anthony - oh shit, I've done it again, how long will it be until my name gets censored. <_<
Meh.

I know, I asked them nicely to, I know you know my name, I'm happy to engage in PM on a name basis, but I'm particular about my privacy in public.

Nothing personal, just a preference on my part.

[Berries]

What is wrong with Debbie as a name?

[pritch]

What is wrong with Debbie as a name?

It's probably OK. A bit unfortunate if she ives in Dallas, that creates unrealistic expectations.

[TheDemonLord]

It's probably OK. A bit unfortunate if she ives in Dallas, that creates unrealistic expectations.

Thanks to this comment, I now have bits of Christmas lunch running down my nose.

[pritch]

Following recent publicity about lawyers in the US being sanctioned for bringing silly legal actions, the judge has found against Kari Lake.

Ms Lake was alleging massive voter fraud in Maricopa County during the recent gubernatorial election. Her lawyers, basically incompetent, botched the case badly and instead of focussing on the allegation that there had been cheating, they went down a series of irrelevant rabbit holes.

In addition to finding against the allegation, the judge referred the lawyers for sanctions. Following recent publicity of lawyers being fined and others losing their law licence for bringing silly cases, we could be forgiven for thinking lawyers would be more careful. Apparently not.

Ms Lake says she will appeal. Assuming she can find lawyer?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kari-lake-loses-suit-defeat-arizona-governors-race-rcna63173

[pete376403]

Sorry, this is about cars but would be interested to hear the resident tesla expert opinion. Culled from a Facebook group:

Good to hear from people who actually tried this. I would only invest money in this electric car strategy if it did not make my transportation costs worse.

Personally, I always thought the left's plan for us was a pipe dream, and not well thought out.

Just goes to show you, what I was always taught, "Failing to plan is planning to fail." And, the 6-Ps, "Prior Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance."

Seem like the lefties could use some of those lessons, instead they just stop at failure, and proceed on to another failure, and change no habits going forward. And tear down history so they don't have to look at their past.

Just goes to show you what emotional decision making will do for you, much less having someone else making emotional decisions for you.

Come back and talk to me in 10 years, I may reconsider committing my R&D dollars to a worthy cause. In the mean time don't waste my time or my dollars in stupid pursuits.


So the Tesla experiment has come to an end.

Heather and I each had one for the past 3 months and here are some things from our experience. When gas prices were $5 per gallon it seemed like a good thing to try.

Here are some Pro’s & Cons’s!

Pro’s:

1. Watching netflix on the huge screen looked and sounded like a movie theater!! Amazing actually ! Using the internet to listen to radio stations on line was so cool.

2. These cars are really quick and very fast! Felt almost as fast as the corvette !

3. high end speed was also fast. Easy to go over 100 mph. I always got to places quickly.

4. All kids were in awe of the Tesla!!!!

5. I had some warranty issues. I scheduled through the app and tesla came to my house. This was cool other then I had to leave it there during that window of time. They fixed my issues at no charge and texted me what they did. Pretty cool!

Con’s

1. My car said it would get 303 miles per charge. It really only get’s 200 miles in my opinion!!! These cars drain so fast! But when it gets to 80 miles left you need to be concerned. So it really only gets 160-170 true miles. This is not good !

2. Range anxiety is a real thing. This past weekend we took the car to new jersey. Made it there with 60 miles left. Plenty to get us to charging station. Went to the charging station I found In my phone and it was a mall!!! No charging station. Put the next one in my phone!!! Go to this station and had 6 miles left. Im glad it was not another mall. So yes this creates unwanted anxiety. So I would not want to go below 100 miles ever again. So really this is a 120-140 mile car when its not winter.

3. I heard when winter comes the anxiety is worse. Imagine running electric heat. I heard the numbers go way down from normal usage from other tesla owners. I cant imagine what this will do?!?!

4. The tires on this car can easily get damaged. My wife had two flat tires In her 3 months. And flat tires are a pain in the ass. She had to schedule through the tesla app. Only tesla could fix the tire. She needed a new one the first time $412. The next time it was a hole and it was $150. They will only fix a tire one time so the next time on that tire it needs a new one. Only tesla can fix tires. Not cool. These tires cut like butter. Dont drive off road at all and dont nick a curb at all!! This tire situation was a deal breaker for heather for sure because she hits curbs every day!!!

5. The car is too fast . I was bound to get a speeding ticket or an accident. Heather said I drove way too fast everywhere! Driving a 100 mph in this car is not a Good thing.

6. I charged this car on sunday and it was $43 to charge it at a tesla super station. This price to drive 170 mph is insane. The charging was free for me because of the rental program I was in. But I would never pay $72k for this car then pay that amount to charge it on trips!

7. My electric has gone so sky high at my house these past two months so its hard to actually know how much it is to charge a tesla at home. My guess is its between $75-$100 for one car for a month. I had thought it would be closer to $50 month. I can only see this cost rising.

8. Running electric to my garage was not cheap. My brother did it for $1,000 in materials but it would have been much more if we hired it out. This prob would have been a $3,500 job.

9. Winter was coming and we show/look at alot of houses. We could not risk driving a tesla based on charge or bad tires in this situation.

10. When going to a tesla super charging station it will charge the tesla to 80% in 25 min. But it takes another 25 min to get to 100%. 50-55 min is too long for a full charge. They also dont like you to fully charge the car all the time. What the heck!

Overall I think electric cars are not ready for us. They really lack what you need if you really have to drive somewhere. And its risky getting a flat tire on any road.

So we turned in our leases and bought 2 - 2021 dodge limited trucks with 30k miles on them. They were $54k each and with 100% bonus depreciation still in effect the real cost was $36k each. These trucks now are $78k brand new which is why buying used made sense. These just came off monthly rental programs. These will be safer, more reliable and more durable especially going into winter.

Peace out tesla for now!

[husaberg]

Following recent publicity about lawyers in the US being sanctioned for bringing silly legal actions, the judge has found against Kari Lake.

Ms Lake was alleging massive voter fraud in Maricopa County during the recent gubernatorial election. Her lawyers, basically incompetent, botched the case badly and instead of focussing on the allegation that there had been cheating, they went down a series of irrelevant rabbit holes.

In addition to finding against the allegation, the judge referred the lawyers for sanctions. Following recent publicity of lawyers being fined and others losing their law licence for bringing silly cases, we could be forgiven for thinking lawyers would be more careful. Apparently not.

Ms Lake says she will appeal. Assuming she can find lawyer?

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kari-lake-loses-suit-defeat-arizona-governors-race-rcna63173

yet even in this lose she is in true trump style denial of reality
claiming it as a win
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She tried another outright lie a month ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z3ZgXsu3vvo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5zxzkh4LGk

[R650R]

This chaps videos do some great burns on Musk and he’s across both political spectrums with his other stuff too....


https://youtu.be/U9YdnzOf4NQ

[R650R]

Some more Tesla semi design flaws....

At many places you go to you interact with a security gate window or lean out window and press a button. The Tesla does not have a drivers side opening window.
The door not being alongside driver means space is wasted by having a corridor instead of tool lockers or bunk/fridge....
The doors open wrong way negating chance to jump out in a runaway(although in practice this is rarely successful in normal trucks, the fantasy is reassuring).
Centre driving position doesn’t mean you have one mirror really close for detailed view when reversing, you’ve now got two bad sides. You can’t easily lean out and wipe rain off etc....

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U07ZxBE6iY8

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Replying to Pete376403

Tesla Model Y is the number 1selling car in New Zealand and the number 1 selling car in in increasingly many countries

It is no secret it will take over the Toyota Corolla as the number 1 selling car in the world in 2023

Tesla spend $0 on advertising, they rely on customer satisfaction and word of mouth from Tesla owners and as you can see being the number 1 selling car in many countries and eventually the world..
it's working , 76k is alot of money to be a short term trend.

Buying a Tesla is an investment and the upper middle class understand this.

A minority of Tesla haters on social media platforms don't have the sway to change peoples minds on Tesla.

Those of you who say this thread is loosing it's way is your typical woke ideological drivin leftist who would prefer to shout down a discussion they are loosing.

I don't need a ridiculous long boring post too easily debunk many of you.


https://youtu.be/Bt5QvYv6LXw

[R650R]

Replying to Pete376403

Tesla Model Y is the number 1selling car in New Zealand and the number 1 selling car in in increasingly many countries

It is no secret it will take over the Toyota Corolla as the number 1 selling car in the world in 2023

Tesla spend $0 on advertising, they rely on customer satisfaction and word of mouth from Tesla owners and as you can see being the number 1 selling car in many countries and eventually the world..
it's working , 76k is alot of money to be a short term trend.

Buying a Tesla is an investment and the upper middle class understand this.

A minority of Tesla haters on social media platforms don't have the sway to change peoples minds on Tesla.

Those of you who say this thread is loosing it's way is your typical woke ideological drivin leftist who would prefer to shout down a discussion they are loosing.

I don't need a ridiculous long boring post too easily debunk many of you.


https://youtu.be/Bt5QvYv6LXw

Tesla is NOT the number one selling car in NZ, it might be the number 1 in EV but an EV does not match the overall package of a normal car.

So they sold 3000 or so bd total private new sales at 111,000 for 2021.

So about 0.05% of population bought a Tesla or one person in each 1660 people.

[george formby]

Tesla is NOT the number one selling car in NZ, it might be the number 1 in EV but an EV does not match the overall package of a normal car.

So they sold 3000 or so bd total private new sales at 111,000 for 2021.

So about 0.05% of population bought a Tesla or one person in each 1660 people.

For a bit of perspective on the unfolding Tesla domination...

In November Tesla sold 100'291 vehicles in China. Just one of their competitors in that market, BYD, sold 229'942 vehicles in the same month.

The top selling EV brand in Europe is Mercedes...

I suspect this will be a growing trend. Tesla is in a marathon not a sprint and the rest of the field are now breathing down Tesla's neck.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

For a bit of perspective on the unfolding Tesla domination...

In November Tesla sold 100'291 vehicles in China. Just one of their competitors in that market, BYD, sold 229'942 vehicles in the same month.

The top selling EV brand in Europe is Mercedes...

I suspect this will be a growing trend. Tesla is in a marathon not a sprint and the rest of the field are now breathing down Tesla's neck.
BYD best selling car is not a full EV like the Toyota Prius

The Rest of the world will not buy a Chinese designed product over a western designed product.

Apple will always dominate the smart phone over its Asian designed rivals.

[husaberg]

BYD best selling car is not a full EV like the Toyota Prius

The Rest of the world will not buy a Chinese designed product over a western designed product.

Apple will always dominate the smart phone over its Asian designed rivals.

tell us about telsa tires why were these not in your running cost
After all as a self proclaimed tesla expert we would expect you to know these things.


Tesla car tires don’t come cheap. They are significantly more expensive compared to standard car tires. Besides, they tend to wear out faster, compared to conventional similar-sized tires, meaning their replacement costs can add up quite fast.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Tesla is NOT the number one selling car in NZ, it might be the number 1 in EV but an EV does not match the overall package of a normal car.

So they sold 3000 or so bd total private new sales at 111,000 for 2021.

So about 0.05% of population bought a Tesla or one person in each 1660 people.

Tesla was the most sold new car in NZ last month EV or ICE vehicle, if they could keep up with supply and demand Tesla would have been the number 1 selling car in all NZ for 2022

It's priced for the upper middle class, Musk has said Tesla will lower the purchase price, and stated they will cut some profit margins in , which they have the largest in all the automotive manufacturing of 30% to take a larger market share of the world's "NEW" car market in the coming 2023 recession while smaller manufacturers go bankrupt from producing and selling there EVs at a loss.

This will happen in 2023 when prices are lowered & more right hand drive Teslas are produced

Understand how economies of scale work and you will understand whats about to happen to the automotive industry in NZ.

Your denying facts and your in denial because you represent the horse shoe maker complaining about this new fancy expensive Ford model T that believe will never replace the horse and cart ... How'd that work out?

[george formby]

The Rest of the world will not buy a Japanese designed product over a western designed product.



"Hold my beer" - Soichiro Honda.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Understanding economies of scale

Tesla has been through the pain of near bankruptcy the past decade plus

Many new EV manufacturers are already selling their EVs at a loss

Many traditional auto manufacturers rely on their prehistoric ice vehicles to subsidize their EVs that sell at a loss

There are dark clouds forming in the world economy for 2023

Tesla is the most capilized and has 20billion in free cash and low to no debt

Tesla will announce their new Giga factory soon, then announce another location possibly in the Americas, and another location possibly in Asia and then Europe & so on and so on...

Tesla has the ability to rape and pillage it's competition in a deep recession and dominant the automotive world much earlier than Musks prediction of 2030.



https://youtu.be/rYvzM_tayY4

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

"Hold my beer" - Soichiro Honda.

I love classic Honda's, beautiful bikes.

I love classic cars like Monaros & Mustangs, beautiful cars.

I think horses are beautiful creatures.

But they no longer represent the majority of there form of transport any longer

They represent a by gone era of how the world used to be...


(I also hear they are designing the final fully powered CBR1000 after emissions laws will no longer allow for any further power enhancement on road legal bikes)

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

.................

[Hoonicorn]

I see a post saying "This thread has gone astray" it's funny how people keep moving the goal posts. But I've skimmed over some points that have been made and here's my reply to them

1. Tires:Tesla vehicles are equipped with extraordinarily excellent tires, which is extremely vital in electric vehicles. Officially, the tires installed at the factory on Tesla cars have a life expectancy of around 30,000 miles. After everything is said and done, owners have reported satisfactory tread depth even after more than 40,000 miles. Tesla tires have a practical lifetime of 20,000 to 40,000 miles, depending on use.

You don't have to fit Tesla tires to a Tesla when it comes to replacement.

2. Battery quality and range: Tesla is the industry leader in battery technology, other brands fall well behind and their range claims are often over stated. Tesla also has a world leading charge network. Tesla is a technology company, that happens to produce cars. The newest developments in Sodium Ion batteries show promise, cheaper, safer batteries that hold 90% more charge in freezing temps.

3. Being a Luddite: Tesla is a technology company, they are in the business of energy storage ie: batteries. Cars is part of that business as they are a practical application of Teslas world-class battery technology. Any arguments for ICE engines is irrelevant as these won't be produced within the next 5-10 years — move with the times.

4. The Cyber truck: This out-classes every competitor in the EV market.

5. The Truck: again, this is a technical challenge, applying advanced battery technology to make trucks electric. The same challenge existed for planes but guess what? We're seeing electric planes coming to NZ very soon. The old fallacy of "It can't be done yet, so it can never be done so why even try?" is more luddite thinking. Innovative companies like Tesla showed the world that EV cars can be made practical and now the rest of the car industry is following (rather sluggishly). So again, why are you championing companies that have lagged behind instead of the innovator who showed the world what's possible?

6. Cheap Chinese competition: Build Your Dreams or BYD is popular is China because, like Americans, Chinese buy local first. As for in Europe, Tesla opened a new factory in Europe in 2022, but reports are that production was limited due to China's Covid restrictions freezing Teslas production of batteries from their China factory. Telsa's model Y is still the second highest selling EV in Europe behind the much cheaper Fiat 500.

7. Share price: The market is down, recessions happen. Share price for Tesla is down because they are also a tech company not just a car company. Elon has cashed in to ensure the company has financial reserves to see it through a recession — clever thinking. Tesla world wide have increased sales by over 220% with projected growth of 20% per year — even in a recession — as demand for EVs continues to grow.


Seems to me that most of the argument here is "what can I find on the internet that supports my point of view?" so if you hate Tesla or battery electric vehicles or Elon Musk, just say so and let everyone move on to stupid world posts again.

[george formby]

Seems to me that most of the argument here is "what can I find on the internet that supports my point of view?" so if you hate Tesla or battery electric vehicles or Elon Musk, just say so and let everyone move on to stupid world posts again.

Ok, then. Stupid world it is.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/santa-tank-pub-crawl-cornwall-b2251211.html

[R650R]

"Hold my beer" - Soichiro Honda.

HEhe 😂 10/10

[R650R]

Tesla is not an expert at battery technology.

They are world leaders though in BUYING battery cells from Panasonic.

Tesla is the craft beer of the automotive world, jizzing into someone else’s pint putting a hipster name on it and then chargectwuce the price so it’s special.

Tesla will not say it’s tare weight. The number one thing a trucking company’s owner wants to know for calculating bottom line. And that cab is bare bones despite the side fairings making it look like sleeper cab.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Not much to debunk here, as the debate has resorted to the standard leftists ideology of name calling when they run out of ammunition losing the debate.

"Arrogant prick" from our ideologically progressive soon to be former prime minister sound familiar?

Capitalism truly is only for smart people.

[husaberg]

Tesla's 8.9% decline Thursday and 2.2% loss early Friday brought its year-to-date drop to 69.7%.
The Texas-headquartered automaker’s 2022 losses far surpass those of major stock indexes, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average down 9.2% over 2022, while the S&P 500 and tech-heavy Nasdaq are down 19.9% and 33.7%, respectively.
Even bitcoin has performed better than Tesla shares

The Federal Reserve’s most aggressive interest rate hikes in decades set forth the broader market selloff this year as investors pile into safer assets less affected by higher borrowing costs. Musk has largely attributed the sharp decline in Tesla share prices to these rate hikes.

[george formby]

Capitalism truly is only for smart people.

That's debatable. Strikes me it's capitalism which has created the necessity for low / zero emissions in the first place.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

The Tesla share price has nothing to do with the business financial fundamentals of the company

Unless they wanted to sell shares to stay afloat

Which they won't as they have low to no debt and sit on 20 billion in cash, and have clearly stated they will buy back shares of the company possibly in 2023.

Bitcoin has no business fundamentals besides who's willing to pay more or less for it

This is how the sharemarket works, ups and downs, not everyone or company will survive an economic storm.

You know how I know all this shit?

Because I don't read mainstream media headlines on Tesla, I read the Tesla quarterly financial report...and that's all that matters , not the value of how much your willing to pay to own a slice of the company or a house etc.

I owned shares of Tesla long before I bought my first Tesla.

Hasenburger, could you stop copying and pasting a Google search, it makes you sound dumber than you probably are and it's wasting valuable debunking time.

[pritch]

Tesla Model Y is the number 1selling car in New Zealand

The monthly sales figures can be misleading. Peugeot had a book full of orders for their electric car but no stock to sell. The ship comes in, they have stock to fill the orders, Peugeot rockets up the charts that month as they fill the back orders.

Same with a recent ship load of Teslas?

The annual figures will provide a better picture.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

The monthly sales figures can be misleading. Peugeot had a book full of orders for their electric car but no stock to sell. The ship comes in, they have stock to fill the orders, Peugeot rockets up the charts that month as they fill the back orders.

Same with a recent ship load of Teslas?

The annual figures will provide a better picture.

Anyone can design an EV

Building it at scale to the masses is a different story which is why Tesla is so far ahead of the competition.

Tesla understand this more than anyone.

[husaberg]

The Tesla share price has nothing to do with the business financial fundamentals of the company



How about you post how many vehicles Telsa sold in NZ in 2022?
compared to Toyota? Ford? KIA?
was it the the leading selling vehicle in NZ of 2022?

PS Telsas share price dropping 69% is a indication that the majority of people do not believe the company share price is a reflection of the value and ongoing viability of the business.


tell us about telsa tires why were these not in your running costs?
After all as a self proclaimed tesla expert we would expect you to know these things.


Tesla car tires don’t come cheap. They are significantly more expensive compared to standard car tires. Besides, they tend to wear out faster, compared to conventional similar-sized tires, meaning their replacement costs can add up quite fast.

While we are at it the Telsa Semi you were raving about what percentage of the batery remained after the 500 mile light load mainly flat mile trip it made.?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

PS Telsas share price dropping 69% is a indication that the majority of people do not believe the company share price is a reflection of the viability of the business.

The share price is a reflection of the compression that's happening in the entire sharemarket and housing market for that matter from higher interest rates

Tesla share price works on a forward price to earnings ratio or what the value of the company will be in the future, not like Ford where they pretty much have peaked as an automotive company & Ford's small EV market share sells at a loss.

When you can earn a higher return by having your money in the bank at 5% then this obviously beats the negative return of -60% investing in Tesla or a negative return of -20% investing in the Wellington housing market for example

This is when I add to my position in Tesla, because interest rates will and have always come down the last 50 years which, even the RBNZ said they will lower rates when inflation has returned to 2% which will reverse from money in the bank back to money into risk (shares and property.)

It's also how I retired eary in my late 30s from %1000+ returns... FYI, you won't retire early on 5% returns from money deposited in the bank not when you're playing $7 for a fucken cup of coffee.

[husaberg]

The share price is a reflection of the compression that's happening in the entire sharemarket and housing market for that matter from higher interest rates

Tesla share price works on a forward price to earnings ratio or what the value of the company will be in the future, not like Ford where they pretty much have peaked as an automotive company & Ford's small EV market share sells at a loss.

When you can earn a higher return by having your money in the bank at 5% then this obviously beats the negative return of -60% investing in Tesla or a negative return of -20% investing in the Wellington housing market for example

This is when I add to my position in Tesla, because interest rates will and have always come down the last 50 years which, even the RBNZ said they will lower rates when inflation has returned to 2% which will reverse from money in the bank back to money into risk (shares and property.)

It's also how I retired eary in my late 30s from %1000+ returns... FYI, you won't retire early on 5% returns from money deposited in the bank not when you're playing $7 for a fucken cup of coffee.


Doubling down on your lies does make it true, unfortunately for you even Musk doesnt agree with you nor does reality.

Tesla's 8.9% decline Thursday and 2.2% loss early Friday brought its year-to-date drop to 69.7%.
The Texas-headquartered automaker’s 2022 losses far surpass those of major stock indexes, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average down 9.2% over 2022, while the S&P 500 and tech-heavy Nasdaq are down 19.9% and 33.7%, respectively.
Even bitcoin has performed better than Tesla shares

The Federal Reserve’s most aggressive interest rate hikes in decades set forth the broader market selloff this year as investors pile into safer assets less affected by higher borrowing costs. Musk has largely attributed the sharp decline in Tesla share prices to these rate hikes.
Telsa stock is being sold off at 70% less than it was 12 months ago as thats all people consider it to be worth.
You cant live off share prices increases unless you actually sell them......
that 1000% you keep falsely claiming BTW dissolved in reality's world by 70% that $7 out of every $10....

so how about those answers on the telsa Semi and the telsa tires mr self described "telsa expert"....

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

that 1000% you keep falsely claiming BTW dissolved in reality's world by 70% that $7 out of every $10....



Wtf?

Dude!? your doing it again and embarrassing yourself

Tesla share price is down 69% from it's "all time high"

It's share price is "still up" %9500 since it's I.P.O

Does this make sense? Or no? Surly this makes sense or do you want to continue to sound dumber than dumb? lol .

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Wtf?

Dude!? your doing it again and embarrassing yourself

Tesla share price is down 69% from it's "all time high"

It's share price is "still up" %9500 since it's I.P.O

Does this make sense? Or no? Surly this makes sense or do you want to continue to sound dumber than dumb? lol .

When a house in mission bay was valued at 15 million in 2021 but sold for 10 million in 2022 , it doesn't mean that the value of the property has fallen to its original purchase price of some beads, blankets a musket, gunpowder and marriage to the the local chiefs daughter does it?

Do you understand inflation?

[husaberg]

Doubling down on your lies does make it true, unfortunately for you even Musk doesnt agree with you nor does reality.

Tesla's 8.9% decline Thursday and 2.2% loss early Friday brought its year-to-date drop to 69.7%.
The Texas-headquartered automaker’s 2022 losses far surpass those of major stock indexes, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average down 9.2% over 2022, while the S&P 500 and tech-heavy Nasdaq are down 19.9% and 33.7%, respectively.
Even bitcoin has performed better than Tesla shares

The Federal Reserve’s most aggressive interest rate hikes in decades set forth the broader market selloff this year as investors pile into safer assets less affected by higher borrowing costs. Musk has largely attributed the sharp decline in Tesla share prices to these rate hikes.
Telsa stock is being sold off at 70% less than it was 12 months ago as thats all people consider it to be worth.
You cant live off share prices increases unless you actually sell them......
that 1000% you keep falsely claiming BTW dissolved in reality's world by 70% that $7 out of every $10....

so how about those answers on the telsa Semi and the telsa tires mr self described "telsa expert"....



Wtf?

Dude!? your doing it again and embarrassing yourself

Tesla share price is down 69% from it's "all time high"

It's share price is "still up" %9500 since it's I.P.O

Does this make sense? Or no? Surly this makes sense or do you want to continue to sound dumber than dumb? lol .

Well folks Al bundy does not math....
Nor does he answer questions about Telsa semi Range
Telsa tires
or why he never knew tesla used cameras
which is odd for a self appointed tesla expert

ps every time you random scratching get shown up for the utter BS that they are you go on a self posting rampage....

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Well folks Al bundy does not math....
Nor does he answer questions about Telsa semi Range
Telsa tires
or why he never knew tesla used cameras
which is odd for a self appointed tesla expert

ps every time you random scratching get shown up for the utter BS that they are you go on a self posting rampage....

Then you explain the math genius

Why doesn't Tesla answer questions about semi range?

Have you thought that there's only 30 or so built, and besides testing in an enclosed environment, they don't really know how long the batteries will last in an open environment, isn't it better to release a factual statement from real world data? so you will likely get your answer in 12 months.

As for tyres, who gives a fuck, go put some aftermarket white walled tyres on if that makes you happy.... wait, what?,are you thinking of buying a Tesla ? What a trip

[pete376403]

Replying to Pete376403


I don't need a ridiculous long boring post too easily debunk many of you.

Well if it's so easy to debunk the points raised in the post why didn't you? You could have posted some valid rebuttals but instead you gave some very easily disproved crap about number one selling vehicle in NZ.
Not that I care a lot, I will never own a Tesla, much rather prefer to stay with my higher safety rated Honda (petrol) CRV.

[pritch]

Musk realisation.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

You guys should be grateful I joined this forum and I'm keeping my fellow biker's up to date with the modern world


I've been using open A.I, Elon Musk donates or is a silent investor and has his finger prints all over it.

So much more powerful and detailed than Google ,

It can break down and answer multiple choice questions for cheating students

It can write a university essay paper on any subject,in seconds, a professor marked it and gave it an average pass

It was then told to mark it's own essay paper

A.I replacing the student and the teacher is scary shit.

It was also told to write a film story to the next 900million dollar block buster, and use A.I to choose the best available actors to cast in the movie, it did this in minutes.

In 3 months time, it will be able to build a detailed version of your self so long as it has access to your data, then you will be able to interview yourself online.

The real scary shit is they are saying it's going to be much, much more powerful in 12 months time

Teslas the last thing you dinosaurs need to worry about...

[Laava]

To be fair, I cannot see any reason why the tyre changing would be a Tesla only affair. The rims look bolted on as normal, the tyre look like regular tyres and nothing wayward is visible. Is it to do with tpms?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Well if it's so easy to debunk the points raised in the post why didn't you? You could have posted some valid rebuttals but instead you gave some very easily disproved crap about number one selling vehicle in NZ.
Not that I care a lot, I will never own a Tesla, much rather prefer to stay with my higher safety rated Honda (petrol) CRV.

I've debunked Hasberg and others many times and sometimes repeatedly for the same fud being asked again and again.

I'm replying with the same answer I answered last month

It's a waste of my time unless someone asked something new.

No one cares that you use A Honda CRV, or that I ride a Honda CBR

I look at the entire economy as a whole, and forcast what and who will dominate it.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

You guys should be grateful I joined this forum and I'm keeping my fellow biker's up to date with the modern world


I've been using open A.I, Elon Musk donates or is a silent investor and has his finger prints all over it.

So much more powerful and detailed than Google ,

It can break down and answer multiple choice questions for cheating students

It can write a university essay paper on any subject,in seconds, a professor marked it and gave it an average pass

It was then told to mark it's own essay paper

A.I replacing the student and the teacher is scary shit.

It was also told to write a film story to the next 900million dollar block buster, and use A.I to choose the best available actors to cast in the movie, it did this in minutes.

In 3 months time, it will be able to build a detailed version of your self so long as it has access to your data, then you will be able to interview yourself online.

The real scary shit is they are saying it's going to be much, much more powerful in 12 months time

Teslas the last thing you dinosaurs need to worry about...

This post is far more important than many of you realize or in some cases can understand..

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

n 3 months time, it will be able to build a detailed version of your self so long as it has access to your data, then you will be able to interview yourself online.

The real scary shit is they are saying it's going to be much, much more powerful in 12 months time

Teslas the last thing you dinosaurs need to worry about...

Just like Tesla is collecting data on how you drive to eventually replace the human driver

Open A.I can create another version of you, right down to your own personal thoughts

How?

It knows if you have the hots for your sister in-law?

How? Wtf?

It knows you were looking at the Facebook photo multiple times for extended periods of time from you checking out your sister in-law in her bikini last summer and getting a close up on her

It knows what you bought for takeaways, how that will affect your health, your medical condition, in the future it could calculate when you will die, your wife could still communicate with the real you online after your death!

It knows what color underwear you bought and wear, it knows your preferred categories on Pornhub and how long you last before orgasim

Open A.I knows every sentence you wrote on K.B and other social media sites the past 20 years, it knows all your private texts to your wife or husband, A.I knows what makes you angry or happy.

Open A.I knows you better than you know yourself, this is how they will soon be able to replicate or replace you online in minutes.

Scary dangerous shit, Elon Musk warned the world many years ago the dangers of this falling into the wrong hands and how it would be here soon..its already here.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I don't know if anyone bothers to read husabergers posts because I don't anymore, they seem like spam advertising polluting a very interesting thread..anywho

Like I said..Scary shit

https://openai.com/

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Disclaimer: this is Open A.I

The battery life of a Tesla Semi depends on a number of factors, including the specific configuration of the vehicle, the load it is carrying, and the driving conditions.

The Tesla Semi is equipped with a four-motor powertrain that delivers a range of up to 500 miles on a single charge, depending on the specific configuration and the load it is carrying. The Semi is also equipped with a battery management system that optimizes the use of the batteries to maximize their life and performance.

In general, the battery life of an electric vehicle like the Tesla Semi is determined by the number of charge and discharge cycles it undergoes. The batteries in the Semi are designed to last for millions of miles, but the actual life of the batteries will depend on how the vehicle is used and maintained. Proper charging and maintenance can help extend the life of the batteries.

[husaberg]

Then you explain the math genius
You don't need to be a math genius to do simple math.
to suggest that since you made your initial claim that your share price had gone up by 1000%.
Yet since you made this claim, the share price has since gone down over 40% in the real world this would indicate your return had also gone down 40%
40% of 1000 make the return down to 600% times. that is simple maths. Yet you claim the math works otherwise....:facepalm:
The fact you don't understand this or even recognize this places a lot of questions on the validly of all the rest of your claims. (as if there were not already enough of those as it was.........)


Why doesn't Tesla answer questions about semi range?


Have you thought that there's only 30 or so built, and besides testing in an enclosed environment, they don't really know how long the batteries will last in an open environment, isn't it better to release a factual statement from real world data? so you will likely get your answer in 12 months.
Telsa refuses to talk about the range for the same reason as they refuse to give out a number of other figures like the net payload or net the weight of the truck.
but if you zoom in on thr the graph musk presented with show the battery went from 100% to 4% in 500 miles . Oh dear.
Musk's claims are fallacy they don't add up in the real world. he's been testing this for the last 5 years at least.
the batteries they use are old tech and a well known commodity made by Panasonic.
the fact is semi finished the 500 mile easy trip with a light load with only 4% battery remaining
if they then charge the battery in a few hour as Musk claims,

70 percent of their full range in 30 minutes at a proprietary high-speed ​“Megacharger,”

If you do this ie repeat these charge and discharge sequences the battery will be totally fucked in less then a year or 6 months if it doubly shifted and in truth each range of each trip will get progressively shorter will likely not be able to even make the next trip as the rate of decay is more the the 4% remaining.
even with small discharges and top ups a slow rates it will lose 30% over a few years
Note based on capacity a battery for the semi would be expected to cost at least 130K.


Pepsi even say this
PepsiCo’s new Semis can haul Frito-Lay food products for around 425 miles (684 km), but for heavier loads of sodas, the trucks will do shorter trips of around 100 miles (160 km), O’Connell said.

Musks figures for cost are based on 5c a KW/H yet the actual cost is on average a Tesla supercharger actually more than 5 times higher.
This makes the semi uneconomic for long haul heavy load use. not even taking account for battery replacement. or BS charging times
or the fact that battery charging is only about 85% efficient the rest is lost to heat.



As for tyres, who gives a fuck, go put some aftermarket white walled tyres on if that makes you happy.... wait, what?,are you thinking of buying a Tesla ? What a trip
you claimed to have calculated the running costs comped to a standard car you very clearly did not..... hence why you refuse to talk about the tires if you really owned two telsas and were a real tesla expert you would be expected to know all about the tires.
Hint the telsa eat tire as they weigh a shit ton
A tesla X weighs over 200KG more then a 2022 Ranger Rover or over 800KG more then a rav4
Same with your claims about Tesla not using cameras when they so clearly do use cameras.


I've debunked Hasberg and others many times and sometimes repeatedly for the same fud being asked again and again.

I'm replying with the same answer I answered last month
.

Only here back in reality you never have. But yet you cant answer simple questions therefor your claims that you an expert are highly dubious
let alone the rest of the made up crap you have also posted.

[mashman]

Like I said..Scary shit

https://openai.com/

Don't see what's so scary about it... unless you mean its potential to replace jobs/thought.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Disclaimer: A.I response

There is no specific issue with Tesla tires that is universal to all Tesla vehicles. Like any other vehicle, Tesla cars can experience tire issues due to a variety of factors, such as wear and tear, improper inflation, or damage from road hazards. It is important for all vehicle owners to regularly check the condition of their tires and ensure that they are properly inflated and in good condition to ensure the safety and performance of their vehicle. If you are experiencing issues with your Tesla's tires, it is recommended that you have them inspected by a professional mechanic to determine the cause of the problem and determine the appropriate course of action.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Don't see what's so scary about it... unless you mean its potential to replace jobs/thought.

Fuck the jobs , I'm more worried about it replacing me!

But yes mainstream media is dead

Google will be replaced by open A.I

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

What is the best motorcycle of all time?

A.I response:

It is difficult to determine the "best" motorcycle of all time, as different people have different preferences and criteria for what makes a motorcycle the best. Some people might consider a motorcycle's performance, handling, or durability to be the most important factors, while others might value its appearance, comfort, or versatility. In addition, the "best" motorcycle for one person might not be the same as the "best" motorcycle for another person, depending on their individual needs and preferences.

With that being said, there have been many motorcycles throughout history that have been highly regarded for their performance, design, or other features. Some examples of motorcycles that have received recognition or accolades include the Honda CB750, the Harley-Davidson Electra Glide, and the Ducati 916. Ultimately, the "best" motorcycle is a subjective judgment that will depend on an individual's personal preferences and needs.

[husaberg]

Well folks Al bundy does not math....
Nor does he answer questions about Telsa semi Range
Telsa tires
or why he never knew tesla used cameras
which is odd for a self appointed tesla expert

ps every time you random scratching get shown up for the utter BS that they are you go on a self posting rampage....

called it........

https://i.imgflip.com/3vo8gp.jpg

You guys should be grateful I joined this forum and I'm keeping my fellow biker's up to date with the modern world


I've been using open A.I, Elon Musk donates or is a silent investor and has his finger prints all over it.

So much more powerful and detailed than Google ,

It can break down and answer multiple choice questions for cheating students

It can write a university essay paper on any subject,in seconds, a professor marked it and gave it an average pass

It was then told to mark it's own essay paper

A.I replacing the student and the teacher is scary shit.

It was also told to write a film story to the next 900million dollar block buster, and use A.I to choose the best available actors to cast in the movie, it did this in minutes.

In 3 months time, it will be able to build a detailed version of your self so long as it has access to your data, then you will be able to interview yourself online.

The real scary shit is they are saying it's going to be much, much more powerful in 12 months time

Teslas the last thing you dinosaurs need to worry about...


This post is far more important than many of you realize or in some cases can understand..


Just like Tesla is collecting data on how you drive to eventually replace the human driver

Open A.I can create another version of you, right down to your own personal thoughts

How?

It knows if you have the hots for your sister in-law?

How? Wtf?

It knows you were looking at the Facebook photo multiple times for extended periods of time from you checking out your sister in-law in her bikini last summer and getting a close up on her

It knows what you bought for takeaways, how that will affect your health, your medical condition, in the future it could calculate when you will die, your wife could still communicate with the real you online after your death!

It knows what color underwear you bought and wear, it knows your preferred categories on Pornhub and how long you last before orgasim

Open A.I knows every sentence you wrote on K.B and other social media sites the past 20 years, it knows all your private texts to your wife or husband, A.I knows what makes you angry or happy.

Open A.I knows you better than you know yourself, this is how they will soon be able to replicate or replace you online in minutes.

Scary dangerous shit, Elon Musk warned the world many years ago the dangers of this falling into the wrong hands and how it would be here soon..its already here.


I don't know if anyone bothers to read husabergers posts because I don't anymore, they seem like spam advertising polluting a very interesting thread..anywho

Like I said..Scary shit

https://openai.com/


Disclaimer: A.I response

There is no specific issue with Tesla tires that is universal to all Tesla vehicles. Like any other vehicle, Tesla cars can experience tire issues due to a variety of factors, such as wear and tear, improper inflation, or damage from road hazards. It is important for all vehicle owners to regularly check the condition of their tires and ensure that they are properly inflated and in good condition to ensure the safety and performance of their vehicle. If you are experiencing issues with your Tesla's tires, it is recommended that you have them inspected by a professional mechanic to determine the cause of the problem and determine the appropriate course of action.


Fuck the jobs , I'm more worried about it replacing me!

But yes mainstream media is dead

Google will be replaced by open A.I

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

What is the recommended tyre pressure, chain slack , oil, fuel and service schedule for a Honda CBR 650

Open A.I response;

The recommended tyre pressure for a Honda CBR 650 depends on the type of tyres you are using and the weight of the motorcycle and rider. It is generally recommended to inflate the front tyre to around 32-36 psi and the rear tyre to around 36-42 psi.

The recommended chain slack for a Honda CBR 650 is around 20-30 mm. To check the chain slack, place the motorcycle on its center stand and measure the distance between the bottom of the chain and the swingarm.

The recommended oil for a Honda CBR 650 is a high-quality motorcycle oil with a viscosity of 10W-40 or 10W-50. It is important to check the oil level regularly and change the oil according to the manufacturer's recommended service schedule.

The recommended fuel for a Honda CBR 650 is unleaded gasoline with an octane rating of 87 or higher.

The recommended service schedule for a Honda CBR 650 includes regular inspections of the motorcycle's systems and components, such as the brakes, tires, and suspension, as well as regular oil and filter changes. It is important to follow the manufacturer's recommended service schedule to ensure that your motorcycle is running at its best and to help prevent costly repairs in the future.

Not bad.. for a bot! Imagine what this tech is going to be like in a year.

[nerrrd]

Fuck the jobs , I'm more worried about it replacing me!

But yes mainstream media is dead

Google will be replaced by open A.I

Google might be, but mainstream media is still what produces the content that Google aggregates as traditional 'news' – it doesn't create any content on it's own.

Similarly AI can only aggregate what we lowly meat bags have chosen to put out on the internet – it needs humans to keep doing that or it has nothing to work with. So we're not obsolete yet.

Until the robots come, anyway.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Google might be, but mainstream media is still what produces the content that Google aggregates as traditional 'news' – it doesn't create any content on it's own.

Similarly AI can only aggregate what we lowly meat bags have chosen to put out on the internet – it needs humans to keep doing that or it has nothing to work with. So we're not obsolete yet.

Until the robots come, anyway.

A.I is starting to think for itself

It has access to the same inside information as mainstream media, the only difference, it can print the story in seconds.

This is why mainstream media is about to become obsolete.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

When the student becomes smarter than the teacher,

you have no more need for the teacher.

Obsolete.

[mashman]

Fuck the jobs , I'm more worried about it replacing me!

But yes mainstream media is dead

Google will be replaced by open A.I

I thought you'd be concerned about the jobs given that people need money to be able buy cars, and robots will likely come with their own wheels... mumble mumble economies of scale mumble mumble.

Only when the people say so. Long way to go before that's the case... even if the twitter files expose them for the greatest of treasons. Roll a few heads and carry on regardless because you are safe in the eyes of the people.

No one will notice, coz google is already sending you what it is they want you to see based on your preferences whether you asked them to or not. All part of the service. Have a nice day.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Twitter?!?

Why do you think Musk paid 47billion for Twitter??

It has millions of Tweets per second some days!

DATA ! DATA ! DATA! Is the new money!!

Who owns the data owns the world!!

You can print all the money you want, but only a handful of companies have access to the world's data.

[mashman]

Twitter?!?

Why do you think Musk paid 47billion for Twitter??

It has millions of Tweets per second some days!

DATA ! DATA ! DATA! Is the new money!!

Who owns the data owns the world!!

You can print all the money you want, but only a handful of companies have access to the world's data.

Ok Muskovite, settle doon, I get it, Musk will bankroll a UBI for everyone.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Ok Muskovite, settle doon, I get it, Musk will bankroll a UBI for everyone.

I don't want a UBI

What was the point of me working hard, investing and retiring early just so the rest of the ants can clog up the roads ruining my mid week bike ride when they should be at work?

[R650R]

Twitter?!?

Why do you think Musk paid 47billion for Twitter??

It has millions of Tweets per second some days!

DATA ! DATA ! DATA! Is the new money!!

Who owns the data owns the world!!

You can print all the money you want, but only a handful of companies have access to the world's data.

Because he’s an ego maniac and wants to control the narrative about all his bullshit products that keep failing. You don’t need to even be logged in to twitter to read it, your A.I. can read everything on there from the small minority of the worlds population that use it.

[mashman]

I don't want an UBI

What was the point of me working hard, investing and retiring early just so the rest of the ants can clog up the roads ruining my mid week bike ride when they should be at work?

You will get one and be happy about it.

Don't worry about it, I'll let you know a little bit about a UBI to calm you down, because, as demonstrated by Gareth Morgan, and various trials around the world, a UBI will be barely enough to cover the necessities. You'll have your shares etc... so you'll be able to afford travel n things. It's ok, Musk will save us all.

[onearmedbandit]

Stop feeding the troll.

[mashman]

Stop feeding the troll.

lol@troll. Which one?

[onearmedbandit]

lol@troll. Which one?

That is the problem isn't it. But it's clear there's one here who proclaims to know a lot yet clearly is trolling.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Stop feeding the troll.

"Don't feed the troll" is communist for don't listen to him and do what I say because I know best

If biker's didn't want to read my opinion, they wouldn't fish me in on Musk, Tesla, and Twitter.

Im happy if you don't want to read my opinion, theres a mute setting on this site

But don't try convince others to follow your opinion and not agree or disagree against mine you communist.

[onearmedbandit]

I'm entitled to my opinion just as much as you are. And it's clear you are either very misinformed or trolling. My opinion is you're the latter.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Because he’s an ego maniac and wants to control the narrative about all his bullshit products that keep failing. You don’t need to even be logged in to twitter to read it, your A.I. can read everything on there from the small minority of the worlds population that use it.

It's pretty obvious I'm some sort of an ego maniac, or at the very least an "arrogant prick" I'm happy to wear that badge.

I own a very large position of Tesla stock for an individual retail investor in NZ, Musk is building an A.I system through Twitter and Tesla FSD,

Musk said he would repay Tesla investors for selling Tesla stock to prop up Twitter

If this investment works out and A.I rules the world I will become very very wealthy

I'm not trolling anyone, not talking shit, just sharing my thoughts and ideas.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I'm entitled to my opinion just as much as you are. And it's clear you are either very misinformed or trolling. My opinion is you're the latter.

Then don't tell others to stop feeding the troll, others are grown ups and can think for themselves and block me if they wish.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Is Elon Musk's political views damaging the Tesla brand

A.I response:

It is difficult to determine the precise impact of an individual's political views on a company's brand. However, it is possible that some people may view certain political views as incompatible with the values or mission of a company, and this could potentially affect their perception of the brand. Ultimately, it is up to the individual consumer to decide whether or not to support a company based on the views and actions of its leaders. It is important for companies to be aware of the potential impact of their leaders' views and actions on their brand, and to consider the values and mission of the company when making public statements or taking actions that could affect the company's reputation.

[onearmedbandit]

Then don't tell others to stop feeding the troll, others are grown ups and can think for themselves and block me if they wish.

Tell you what, I'll stop suggesting to other people what to do when you stop telling others what to do too.

But I stand by my statement, I believe this is a troll account, no doubt a dual log in.

[mashman]

That is the problem isn't it. But it's clear there's one here who proclaims to know a lot yet clearly is trolling.

Ooooof, I reckon el trollo has some exceptionally good points that haven't been considered. Most regarding the way forwards, which is the way 'they' (business hims and hers) think. ICE has had a hundred years of development. Battery, not so much. As such, given past to present business bent, political past to present bent, societal bent to an extent, and economic neccessity evidenced to date, I reckon the troll is addressing reality slightly better than those who would trollify the one who makes his point but dresses it up as something else for others to chase should they have nothing better to play with.

The current impracticalities have been acknowledged, even by el trollo (the bullshit aside), the future favours el trollo's view in terms of longevity.

[george formby]

The current impracticalities have been acknowledged, even by el trollo (the bullshit aside), the future favours el trollo's view in terms of longevity.

Yup, but the favoured brands may change if history is anything to go by.

[onearmedbandit]

Where we are today with AI is a long way off from what he claims. We may get there, but we ain't anywhere near it now.

[mashman]

Yup, but the favoured brands may change if history is anything to go by.

I reckon Space and Free Speech is a pretty good puller v's marketing and advertising.

[mashman]

Where we are today with AI is a long way off from what he claims. We may get there, but we ain't anywhere near it now.

Not so convinced of that. I've had a few chats with it and it's far smarter than human beings were it is allowed to be. Are AI's limits programmed in or programmed out?

[onearmedbandit]

Not so convinced of that. I've had a few chats with it and it's far smarter than human beings were it is allowed to be. Are AI's limits programmed in or programmed out?

There's no doubt it's very convincing, but it isn't 'thinking for itself'.

[mashman]

There's no doubt it's very convincing, but it isn't 'thinking for itself'.

Are you sure of that? From memory, google or fb or or or, someone had two AI and allowed them to communicate. Once the humans figured out that the AI's were speaking in a language they had not been programmed to write (no learn in this scenario, just pure creation) they turned it off.

[onearmedbandit]

Are you sure of that? From memory, google or fb or or or, someone had two AI and allowed them to communicate. Once the humans figured out that the AI's were speaking in a language they had not been programmed to write (no learn in this scenario, just pure creation) they turned it off.


Facebook did develop two AI-powered chatbots to see if they could learn how to negotiate. During the process, the bots formed a derived shorthand that allowed them to communicate faster. This is a common phenomenon observed among AIs. But this happened in 2017, not recently, and Facebook didn't shut the bots down – the researchers simply directed them to prioritize correct English usage.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/28/fact-check-facebook-chatbots-werent-shut-down-creating-language/8040006002/

[onearmedbandit]

There is a wealth of information available showing AI is not at the levels claimed by many. Of course there will be those that dispute this so we never actually know the truth, including members of this forum, but the general consensus is that AI is not anywhere near self awareness and capable of individual thinking. And actually may never be. But never say never.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/comment/its-time-to-accept-ai-will-never-think-like-a-human-and-thats-okay/

[mashman]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/07/28/fact-check-facebook-chatbots-werent-shut-down-creating-language/8040006002/

Sorry, the AI were directed to speak english... not stipulating anything other than the language used was unintuitive... hence partially false. I'm guessing you didn't read much of that or you chose to get something else out of it that you thought obvious?

[mashman]

There is a wealth of information available showing AI is not at the levels claimed by many. Of course there will be those that dispute this so we never actually know the truth, including members of this forum, but the general consensus is that AI is not anywhere near self awareness and capable of individual thinking. And actually may never be. But never say never.

https://www.sciencefocus.com/comment/its-time-to-accept-ai-will-never-think-like-a-human-and-thats-okay/

I agree that AI will never think like a human. It was never going to think like us, but that does not mean that it is limited to being able to think like us as well as something else i.e. better than human beings when it comes to rationalising the bleedingly fucking obvious lol. Seriously, we are not intelligent in the way we think we are.

[onearmedbandit]

Sorry, the AI were directed to speak english... not stipulating anything other than the language used was unintuitive... hence partially false. I'm guessing you didn't read much of that or you chose to get something else out of it that you thought obvious?

I read the whole thing. You claimed they developed their own language and once the humans figured that out it was shut down. The article I linked showed your claim to be incorrect.

[R650R]

But I stand by my statement, I believe this is a troll account, no doubt a dual log in.

I’ll second this statement too, it’s been clear for a long time by the style of writing used who it likely is. Bit absent the tools a moderator has and with out wanting to pay the fees of a forensic linguistic expert I hold back on that.

[onearmedbandit]

Seriously, we are not intelligent in the way we think we are.

I 100% agree with this.

[mashman]

I read the whole thing. You claimed they developed their own language and once the humans figured that out it was shut down. The article I linked showed your claim to be incorrect.

It showed it to be linguistically incorrect (partially false) as the article appointed out i.e. they stopped them from communicating that way and told them to speak english. You're more than welcome to consider my perspective of what it says as partially incorrect. It still made up it's own language, which was really the point now wasn't it.

[onearmedbandit]

You claimed they shut them down as a result of using a new language (which was -derived shorthand that allowed them to communicate faster. This is a common phenomenon observed among AIs. They weren't shut down because of this.

[mashman]

I 100% agree with this.

And yet we'll know when AI is smarter than us. Go give it a whirl. It is programmed not to be allowed to do certain things (programmed limits). That does not mean that it is unskilled enough to do those things. Give it a real task and it fights to the death before it wins/concedes. It too wins/concedes using semantics ;)... but it does so using an infinitely more nuanced collection of inputs that human beings. I hear that it has been programmed to disallow the notion of fossil fuels into the future also lol. I get its limitations, but they look to be programmed out over being programmed in. Have a chat, you may find otherwise.

[onearmedbandit]

And yet we'll know when AI is smarter than us. Go give it a whirl. It is programmed not to be allowed to do certain things (programmed limits). That does not mean that it is unskilled enough to do those things. Give it a real task and it fights to the death before it wins/concedes. It too wins/concedes using semantics ;)... but it does so using an infinitely more nuanced collection of inputs that human beings. I hear that it has been programmed to disallow the notion of fossil fuels into the future also lol. I get its limitations, but they look to be programmed out over being programmed in. Have a chat, you may find otherwise.

I've used it and have read up on it. It's not thinking for itself.

I respect your opinion on this but I don't agree with it.

[mashman]

You claimed they shut them down as a result of using a new language (which was -derived shorthand that allowed them to communicate faster. This is a common phenomenon observed among AIs. They weren't shut down because of this.

My apologies. "Agents will drift off understandable language and invent codewords for themselves," and therefore are prevented from doing so by programmed limitation.

[mashman]

I've used it and have read up on it. It's not thinking for itself.

I respect your opinion on this but I don't agree with it.

My question is, actually it's somewhat ironic (turing), how do we know for sure?

[onearmedbandit]

My apologies. "Agents will drift off understandable language and invent codewords for themselves," and therefore are prevented from doing so by programmed limitation.

What about the 'shutting down' part. Creating codewords is, as the article states, nothing to write home about as it's normal behaviour. The 'shutting it down' part is the meat of the claim, the part that's engineered to scare people. And it was wrong.

[onearmedbandit]

My question is, actually it's somewhat ironic (turing), how do we know for sure?

Maybe we can't. But research the topic and learn how easily it can be fooled or misinformed, even at basic levels. Then you might understand my skepticism.

[mashman]

What about the 'shutting down' part. Creating codewords is, as the article states, nothing to write home about as it's normal behaviour. The 'shutting it down' part is the meat of the claim, the part that's engineered to scare people. And it was wrong.

It was retasked. It wanted to communicate one way, it was prevented from doing so. Define shutting down how you wish. Being stopped, full stop, seems pretty definitive....... but hey, tomato tomato six nine squirrel.

[mashman]

Maybe we can't. But research the topic and learn how easily it can be fooled or misinformed, even at basic levels. Then you might understand my skepticism.

Oh no I get your skepticism entirely, but from the opposite pole i.e. it is capable but has behaviours programmed out by human choice. It is totally fallible. I've played with a couple of versions and to be honest, leo-da-vinci on the beta was less limited. It could learn. It also had a memory of who I was for 1 day at a time, meaning that it is reset from its learned state that day only to start again the following day. Turning it off and turning it on is cheating when you call it dumb.

[mashman]

Maybe we can't. But research the topic and learn how easily it can be fooled or misinformed, even at basic levels. Then you might understand my skepticism.

From memory again, think there's a post in this thread somewhere, they did a study of human beings interacting with a human through a PC using text. Half spoke with an AI and neither knew which. The moral of the story was, was that the AI focused on the need and fed that need back in language that the human could relate to. A chameleon by any other name, but a chameleon that was considered more human than the users. We hear what we wanna hear/read don't we?

[onearmedbandit]

Let's just agree the future is yet to be written. Anything could happen.

[mashman]

Let's just agree the future is yet to be written. Anything could happen.

lol... and yet it is written in all of our business reports. Ya see ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaa. But I get the sentiment. We might decide to do things for the right reasons instead of purely business reasons. The sad thing about Tesla etc... is that their progress, and plenty of wasted resources, is hampered by the fact they have to produce a shitload of something they, and we, know will be obsolete in years to come, but we do it anyway on a finite planet coz that's just how we roll. The future is written in our business reports and potentially hidden behind patents etc... but let's steer well clear of that business practice ;).

I agree with your sentiment, even if very few things can logistically happen <3

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I've used it and have read up on it. It's not thinking for itself.

I respect your opinion on this but I don't agree with it.

It's not only thinking for itself, the coding and data is making it smarter.

Exciting and scary at the same time.

[mashman]

It's not only thinking for itself, the coding and data is making it smarter.

Exciting and scary at the same time.

I honestly don't see the fear given the rather obvious outcomes of current human economic activity. If we leave things up to human beings and the constraints they're ignoring, the end is guaranteed. I'd rather a machine give me a good reason to do something than a human give me many stupid reasons not to... but I seem to be unique in that respect.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I honestly don't see the fear given the rather obvious outcomes of current human economic activity. If we leave things up to human beings and the constraints they're ignoring, the end is guaranteed. I'd rather a machine give me a good reason to do something than a human give me many stupid reasons not to... but I seem to be unique in that respect.

Yes I agree with the benefits are immense in helping humanity

Example, A.I can replace your local G.P or local doctor

The concern

What happens to the Doctor?

Or the medical student that is no longer needed?

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Yes I agree with the benefits are immense in helping humanity

Example, A.I can replace your local G.P or local doctor

The concern

What happens to the Doctor?

Or the medical student that is no longer needed?

The destruction in employment will reach far beyond an Uber or Truck driver being replaced by automation and A.I

[mashman]

Yes I agree with the benefits are immense in helping humanity

Example, A.I can replace your local G.P or local doctor

The concern

What happens to the Doctor?

Or the medical student that is no longer needed?

No sure I like the notion of replacing people just because AI can. Would rather AI was an online guru that doctors etc... could consult with. Same for many professions, but hey, we're yet to learn the lessons that'd make such an approach viable. My old job, a/p, as you've noted, would almost vanish in an instant with multi-million $ systems suddenly costing little more than the time it takes to talk to an AI about your needs. Some things don't need a human touch when the outcome is a human trying to tell a computer how to do something that it would be far more efficient, if it was allowed heh, at doing. Won't someone think of the a/p's.

Some are safe. Some very much ain't. The economy requires both :killingme

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I’ll second this statement too, it’s been clear for a long time by the style of writing used who it likely is. Bit absent the tools a moderator has and with out wanting to pay the fees of a forensic linguistic expert I hold back on that.

Al Bundys pronoun is:

He/He

Hahahaha

[pritch]

Twitter?!?

Why do you think Musk paid 47billion for Twitter??



Because he was going to be dragged through the courts to never ending legal expense if he didn't buy it.

[pete376403]

the A.I. responses that have been posted - seem to me to be a long way of saying "it depends" , long on verbiage but short on absolute facts

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

the A.I. responses that have been posted - seem to me to be a long way of saying "it depends" , long on verbiage but short on absolute facts


For A.I that has just been released and , I have no doubt the coding will improve over the next 12 months with more data I still find it very impressive for now.



What are the steps to change the brake pads on a Harley davidson street glide?

A.I generated response:

Changing the brake pads on a Harley Davidson Street Glide involves the following steps:

Start by gathering all the necessary tools and materials. You'll need a socket set, a torque wrench, a pair of pliers, a brake bleeder wrench, a brake pad spreader, a brake pad reset tool, and a new set of brake pads.

Lift the bike onto a lift or secure it on a stand. Make sure the bike is stable and won't tip over while you're working on it.

Remove the wheel. To do this, you'll need to loosen the lug nuts on the wheel and then use a jack to lift the bike off the ground. Once the wheel is off the ground, you can remove the lug nuts and take the wheel off the bike.

Remove the caliper. The caliper is the component that holds the brake pads and is located on the front or rear of the bike. To remove it, you'll need to remove the bolts that hold it in place using a socket set. Once the bolts are removed, you can gently pry the caliper off the rotor.

Remove the old brake pads. Once the caliper is off the bike, you'll be able to see the brake pads. Use a brake pad spreader or a pair of pliers to gently pry the pads out of the caliper.

Install the new brake pads. Take the new brake pads and align them with the caliper. Use the brake pad reset tool to push the pads into place.

Reinstall the caliper. Once the new pads are in place, you can slide the caliper back onto the rotor. Make sure the caliper is properly aligned and then secure it in place using the bolts you removed earlier.

Bleed the brake system. After the caliper is reinstalled, you'll need to bleed the brake system to remove any air that may have gotten into the lines. To do this, you'll need to open the bleeder valve on the caliper and use the brake bleeder wrench to loosen it. Have a helper pump the brake lever while you hold the bleeder valve open. Close the valve when fluid starts to flow, and repeat the process until the fluid is clear.

Reinstall the wheel. Once the brake system has been bled, you can reinstall the wheel by placing it back onto the bike and securing it with the lug nuts. Make sure the lug nuts are tightened to the proper torque specifications using a torque wrench.

Test the brakes. Once the wheel is back on the bike, you should test the brakes to make sure they're working properly. Take the bike for a test ride and apply the brakes to make sure they feel firm and responsive.

Remember, it's important to follow the manufacturer's recommendations when changing the brake pads on your Harley Davidson Street Glide, as well as all safety precautions. If you're not comfortable completing this task yourself, you should have a professional mechanic do it for you

[pete376403]

For A.I that has just been released and , I have no doubt the coding will improve over the next 12 months with more data I still find it very impressive for now.



What are the steps to change the brake pads on a Harley davidson street glide?

A.I generated response:

That's a very generic answer that would apply to just about any modern bike. If it was at all useful, it would detail the torque wrench settings for any bolts removed, the actual sockets required (rather than a set). It also appears to be solely relevant to the front wheel. It should have also mention the rear wheel, and drive belt. And lug nuts pertain more to car wheels than bikes. A.I. needs to RTFM. Maybe it should ask Google
.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

That's a very generic answer that would apply to just about any modern bike. If it was at all useful, it would detail the torque wrench settings for any bolts removed, the actual sockets required (rather than a set). It also appears to be solely relevant to the front wheel. It should have also mention the rear wheel, and drive belt. And lug nuts pertain more to car wheels than bikes. A.I. needs to RTFM. Maybe it should ask Google
.

The technology is new and improving rapidly,

It's like asking your Toyota to drive you to Countdown, it's never going to happen, now once FSD is released worldwide to Tesla owners who lease or buy it, then yes , laws permitting it will make its best efforts to drive you to Countdown....as for the Toyota, you can yell at it all you want, but it doesn't have AI to complete the task.

Be careful what you ask for...you just might get it.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

This was the first question I asked on Kiwibiker then was instantly attacked as a novice rider earlier this year...I no longer need you outdated dinosaurs, AI is my mentor!

How do I keep cool when riding a motorcycle in the extreme summer heat?

AI generated response:

There are a few things you can do to stay cool while riding a motorcycle in hot weather:

Wear lightweight, breathable clothing: Opt for lightweight, breathable materials such as cotton or mesh to help your skin stay cool and dry. Avoid wearing leather or other heavy materials that can trap heat.

Use a cooling vest: A cooling vest is a special garment that uses ice packs or a cooled water system to help regulate your body temperature. These vests can be worn under your motorcycle gear to help keep you cool on hot days.

Take frequent breaks: It's important to stay hydrated and take frequent breaks in the shade to cool down. This will give your body a chance to rest and recover from the heat.

Use a windscreen: A windscreen on your motorcycle can help deflect some of the hot air and sun away from your body, helping you stay cooler.

Use sunscreen: Protect your skin from the sun's harmful UV rays by applying sunscreen with a high SPF before you ride.

By following these tips, you can help keep yourself cool and comfortable while riding in hot weather.

[Laava]

That's a very generic answer that would apply to just about any modern bike. If it was at all useful, it would detail the torque wrench settings for any bolts removed, the actual sockets required (rather than a set). It also appears to be solely relevant to the front wheel. It should have also mention the rear wheel, and drive belt. And lug nuts pertain more to car wheels than bikes. A.I. needs to RTFM. Maybe it should ask Google
.

Prob the first question a mech would ask would be, what is the rego number.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

https://youtu.be/0uQqMxXoNVs

Many reasons why Musk acquired Twitter

[Berries]

This was the first question I asked on Kiwibiker then was instantly attacked as a novice rider earlier this year...I no longer need you outdated dinosaurs, AI is my mentor!

How do I keep cool when riding a motorcycle in the extreme summer heat?

AI generated response:.........................................
I know you are really clever and all that but if you typed the same thing into Google you would get the same answers, perhaps without the handy tip to wear sunscreen. If you had tried Google in the first place maybe we would not have got off on the wrong foot.

Until you started wanking on about Tesla that is. And all this AI shit which is, as pointed out before, shit, and from the evidence you have presented so far is no different to the results you get from a standard search engine.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Yikes!

You truly are a angry bitter old man Berries!

Sorry for wanting to join your super cool hip motorcycle squad..lol ignored .

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Yikes!

You truly are a angry bitter old man Berries!

Sorry for wanting to join your super cool hip motorcycle squad..lol ignored .

I mean seriously

Dude is almost 60 and acting like a 14 year old online bully trying to troll a reaction...bitch please this ain't 2005:facepalm:

[nerrrd]

What you really want is an AI that says, sure, I understand how your braking system works, but it's dumb, here's a much better one that I've designed for you.

Otherwise what's the point? There are already billions of biological intelligences on the planet that can potentially service your brakes.

[husaberg]

What you really want is an AI that says, sure, I understand how your braking system works, but it's dumb, here's a much better one that I've designed for you.

Otherwise what's the point? There are already billions of biological intelligences on the planet that can potentially service your brakes.

https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-why-crash-radar/

“Traffic-Aware Cruise Control cannot detect all objects and may not brake/decelerate for stationary vehicles, especially in situations when you are driving over 50 mph (80 km/h) and a vehicle you are following moves out of your driving path and a stationary vehicle or object is in front of you instead.”

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/jun/30/tesla-autopilot-death-self-driving-car-elon-musk


The National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) said that four seconds before the 23 March crash on a highway in Silicon Valley, which killed Walter Huang, 38, the car stopped following the path of a vehicle in front of it. Three seconds before the impact, it sped up from 62mph to 70.8mph, and the car did not brake or steer away, the NTSB said.

The report – which said the Tesla battery was breached, causing the car to be engulfed in flames – comes after after the company has repeatedly sought to deflect blame on to the driver and the local highway conditions. Musk has also aggressively attacked journalists writing about this crash and other recent autopilot collisions, complaining that the negative attention would discourage people from using his technology.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jun/07/tesla-fatal-crash-silicon-valley-autopilot-mode-report

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Actually Berries brings up a good point

For the past decade or so, companies, corporate media and others have hired people who can Google well

I believe this coming decade, companies will hire people who can persuade AI to produce its best possible outcome or result.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

What you really want is an AI that says, sure, I understand how your braking system works, but it's dumb, here's a much better one that I've designed for you.

Otherwise what's the point? There are already billions of biological intelligences on the planet that can potentially service your brakes.



Yes, but there are hundreds of millions of jobs that are behind a desk and a computer screen

When you develop technology that can do their job thousands of times faster and at a fraction of the cost, this will eventually trickle down to physical labor jobs financially at first anyway.

I try to look at things holistically or what will effect the overall outcome.

Example: What's the point of having a Harley Davidson dealership franchise owner, when Harley Davidson can replace the owner with AI

All Harley Davidson needs now is human meat to sign in and change the brakes, no administration, no parts department, no sales team.

Gone, replaced by AI.

[nerrrd]

Yes, but there are hundreds of millions of jobs that are behind a desk and a computer screen

When you develop technology that can do their job thousands of times faster and at a fraction of the cost, this will eventually trickle down to physical labor jobs financially at first anyway.

I try to look at things holistically or what will effect the overall outcome.

Example: What's the point of having a Harley Davidson dealership franchise owner, when Harley Davidson can replace the owner with AI

All Harley Davidson needs now is human meat to sign in and change the brakes, no administration, no parts department, no sales team.

Gone, replaced by AI.

You're assuming that the AI will be cheaper – after all the billions of dollars Elon and others have invested in it, I doubt they'll make it available to the commercial sector for nothing.

Plus why would Harley Davidson want the bother of maintaining all the dealer infrastructure (leases, rates, electricity, tools) that the dealer now covers for them?

And would the average buyer prefer the personal touch (assuming the dealer is a good one) or a bot?

I'm not saying that AI won't be able to do these things, I'm saying that in a lot of cases it won't be the obvious 'solution' you think it will.

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

Yes this true in regards to franchisee covering cost

I take my theory from Tesla, they don't use dealerships, you basically order a Tesla online to your requirements, then pick it up when it's ready.

They cut out the middle man

This drives down the cost of buying a Tesla, increasing market share against your competition Ford is starting something similar (which is upsetting franchise owners) so it just makes sense who can provide the best product at the lowest price

AI is very expensive now, but like smartphones, 60 inch TVs and EVs these all eventually come down in price as technology and manufacturing advances .

[Al Bundy 4eva!]

I'm not much of a mainstream media fan , but this popped up in my feed, obviously AI generated from what I've been posting on this thread.

Few interesting points but nothing I haven't already thought of

https://www.interest.co.nz/public-policy/118976/gabriela-ramos-and-mariana-mazzucato-call-more-robust-governance-artificial

[pete376403]

Yes this true in regards to franchisee covering cost

I take my theory from Tesla, they don't use dealerships, you basically order a Tesla online to your requirements, then pick it up when it's ready.

They cut out the middle man

This drives down the cost of buying a Tesla, increasing market share against your competition Ford is starting something similar (which is upsetting franchise owners) so it just makes sense who can provide the best product at the lowest price

AI is very expensive now, but like smartphones, 60 inch TVs and EVs these all eventually come down in price as technology and manufacturing advances .

If it is mechanical it will break, sooner or later. Without a dealership or other place of repair, are you suggesting tesla is throwaway technology?
Rich Rebuilds (look on youtube) details how he repairs teslas for a faction of what tesla themselves would charge eg "Tesla wanted $16,000 to fix this NEW Model 3, we did it for $700! The importance of Right to REPAIR!"
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc

[pritch]

Meanwhile back on earth...

The judge in her previous election denial law suit stated that he regretted he could not fine Ms Lake. The judge in her latest case was more creative. He has awarded costs against her. This is expected to come to between $500, 000 and $700,000. That might slow her appeal down.

Her legal team meanwhile spend their Christmas break wondering what their fines will be.

[R650R]

If it is mechanical it will break, sooner or later. Without a dealership or other place of repair, are you suggesting tesla is throwaway technology?
Rich Rebuilds (look on youtube) details how he repairs teslas for a faction of what tesla themselves would charge eg "Tesla wanted $16,000 to fix this NEW Model 3, we did it for $700! The importance of Right to REPAIR!"
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVSw3KSevEc

That dude is pretty cool, did he finish the v8 engine into Tesla chassis job?

[pritch]

Oh dear...

[SaferRides]

The share price is volatile, but it's certainly heading down at the moment.



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[mashman]

The share price is volatile, but it's certainly heading down at the moment.

lol@one man buying a social media platform affecting the car buying choice and share price of far too many. Kind of comical really.