The firearm thread

[Wolf]

"Your Honour, I didn't break that law... I broke this one instead"
Oh well, that's perfectly all right, instead of giving you that sentence, I'll give this one...

[ManDownUnder]

Oh well, that's perfectly all right, instead of giving you that sentence, I'll give this one...

aaaaa - you're saying there's a problem if I try to get around breaking that law - the one over there? But I was being so clever...

[Indiana_Jones]

Back to the guns!


<img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Norinco_SKS.jpg">

Anyone own one of these babies?

-Indy

[Swoop]

Anyone own one of these babies?
Yup. My goat gun.
The one in the piccie. Is it in NZ? If so, the magazine appears unmodified yet the bayonet has been removed...:whistle:

[Indiana_Jones]

Na, just a google image. Yea the mag looks full size aye. and looks like the folding bayonet from the M44 Mosin.

I'm thinking of getting one, are the Chinese knock offs any good?

-Indy

[Swoop]

I'm thinking of getting one, are the Chinese knock offs any good?
Yes, quite good for the job. A great bush and scrub gun for short range stuff up to~140metres.
I've had three of them and they have been reliable. They used to go for $3-400- some years back, but I notice that their value has increased.

[Indiana_Jones]

Yea, seem to be like $800 new I think. But second hand ones can be had for $400 etc.

Might grab one sometime, as Chris knows I like my Russian rifles :D

Would prefer a Russian made one over the a Chinese, but it's not a biggie really

Thanks for the info swoop.

-Indy

[geoffm]

Yup, have a removable mag model.
Built like a hammer, ugly as hell. I replaced the stockon miwn with a Fibreforce oen with 4" more length of pull
4" groups/100m is no sniper gun, but hunting accurate.

[Wolf]

Back to the guns!

Anyone own one of these babies?

-Indy
An original Russian one, bayonet lug cut off (one of the first things I did as I got sick of having to untangle it from lianas), mag cut down to 5 shots (due to ghey MSSA legislation), stock replaced with fibre stock - hole-thru "target stock".

Seriously considering going back to the original wooden stock as I have to grind my cheek into the stock and tilt my head at a funny angle to line up the sights - fucking painful enough before I fire it and get a faceful of recoil!

[Indiana_Jones]

Nice, a Russian one!

Get that plastic junk off it lol

Then give it to me! :D

-Indy

[Wolf]

Nice, a Russian one!
I know

Get that plastic junk off it lol
I will

Then give it to me! :D
Feck off

:devil2:

[Indiana_Jones]

Worth a shot lol

You'll have to let me use it when we meet up sometime, perhaps when the range opens :)

-Indy

[Wolf]

Worth a shot lol

You'll have to let me use it when we meet up sometime, perhaps when the range opens :)

-Indy
Sounds a good plan. Or when we by chance meet up at Chateau Merde.

It's quite abrupt - like a .303. Shiny's 30-06 has a smoother recoil despite a far larger round.

[ManDownUnder]

Sounds a good plan. Or when we by chance meet up at Chateau Merde.

When would that be next time?

[Indiana_Jones]

Well I recently went, Perhaps sometime mid next month?

-Indy

[Wolf]

When would that be next time?
When I can get a day off. Sundays are usually the best for me as Juliet has things to do on Saturdays and I look after all the cubs.

Of course, all you guys'd be at church on sundays...

:devil2:

[Indiana_Jones]

The lord and my rifle protect me!

-Indy

[Wolf]

The lord and my rifle protect me!

-Indy
Watch it, or you'll consign this thread to the "Scottish Thread"

[The Pastor]

ahh the joys of the time when someone first meets indy.

you will go through the motions - laughter, shock, disgust, disbelief and more laughter.

[ManDownUnder]

ahh the joys of the time when someone first meets indy.

you will go through the motions - laughter, shock, disgust, disbelief and more laughter.

Best I put the gun away first then?

[The Pastor]

depends on how many beers you / indy has had ;)

[ManDownUnder]

depends on how many beers you / indy has had ;)

It's ok - I'll bring the 12g too - make it easier when you can't shoot straight

(Kidding Indy)

[The Pastor]

Better get some 3.5" rounds, dont leave anything to chance

[Indiana_Jones]

I'm bullet-proof!

-Indy

[Magua]

Sometimes I find myself wanting a gun license. Probably Indy and Renegade's constant babbling. I'm quite fond of Renegade's Norinco .22 and speed limit signs. _b

[ducatilover]

norinco? my brother just got one of them for about $300

[Indiana_Jones]

Sometimes I find myself wanting a gun license. Probably Indy and Renegade's constant babbling. I'm quite fond of Renegade's Norinco .22 and speed limit signs. _b

Go on.

Do it lol

-Indy

[ducatilover]

peer pressure :whistle:

[Indiana_Jones]

Anyone here done any hunting in the Auckland region?

Worth getting in line for a permit or not?

cheers

-Indy

[Wolf]

Anyone here done any hunting in the Auckland region?

Worth getting in line for a permit or not?

cheers

-Indy
So what is there to hunt in the Auckland Region? Aside from South Aucklanders?
:devil2:

[Mr Merde]

So what is there to hunt in the Auckland Region? Aside from South Aucklanders?
:devil2:

Wild Turkeys, deer (Fallow, red and some Wapiti), pigs, bunnies, hare, duck, pheasant and of course the possum

[Wolf]

Wild Turkeys, deer (Fallow, red and some Wapiti), pigs, bunnies, hare, duck, pheasant and of course the possum
Some people might get twitchy if you say you want to go hunting pigs in Auckland...

[Indiana_Jones]

Someone be a dear and give me a Dragunov lol

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

Someone be a dear and give me a Dragunov lol

-Indy

Uhhhh well let me think about this........mmmmmmm.


NO

[Indiana_Jones]

Uhhhh well let me think about this........mmmmmmm.


NO


Fine fine.....

how about you give me your M1 Carbine instead? :woohoo:

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

Fine fine.....

how about you give me your M1 Carbine instead? :woohoo:

-Indy

Want to take my kidneys as well?

[Indiana_Jones]

Not just yet....

-Indy

[Magua]

I'll take them, thanks.

[Wolf]

I'll take them, thanks.
Fried?

:eek5:

[Mr Merde]

Fried?

:eek5:


With some Falfa beans and a nice Chianti :lol:

[Indiana_Jones]

Na, use them for target shooting lol

-Indy

[Wolf]

With some Falfa beans and a nice Chianti :lol:
You savage! You heathen!




Fava beans and Chianti are for liver, not kidneys!



There's nothing quite like having an old friend for dinner, eh.

[Indiana_Jones]

Lastest toy....has been on the wish list for a while lol

-Indy

[Monsterbishi]

Lastest toy....has been on the wish list for a while lol

-Indy

^^^ Pic brings back many memories of my teenage years!

[Indiana_Jones]

^^^ Pic brings back many memories of my teenage years!

You had a Martini in your teens? lucky bastard lol!

-Indy

[Monsterbishi]

Got to use, but never own, I will one day when I stop buying other crap that I don't need :2thumbsup

[Indiana_Jones]

lol fair enough.

Wouldn't mind an oringal .450 Martini-Henry.

One day.

:)

-Indy

[The Pastor]

what calibur is it?

[Indiana_Jones]

.303

-Indy

[The Pastor]

how much? is this why i saw aj standing at the end of your driveway trying to hitch a ride?

[Indiana_Jones]

$250

-Indy

[The Pastor]

just a bit cheaper than my latest motobike!

[Wolf]

$250

-Indy
I'm about to file a prospecting claim on your arse - the tin deposits would make me rich enough to afford the firearms I want.

My old BSA target rifle was a .22 Martini action.

[Indiana_Jones]

I'm about to file a prospecting claim on your arse - the tin deposits would make me rich enough to afford the firearms I want.

My old BSA target rifle was a .22 Martini action.

lol WTF?

And I wouldn't mind a BSA Martini, they look nice :)

-Indy

[Wolf]

lol WTF?

And I wouldn't mind a BSA Martini, they look nice :)

-Indy
$250 for a .303 Martini - you're a fucking tin-arse!

And sadly I had to sell the BSA. I wasn't using it and I wanted a Walther CP99 air pistol.

[Indiana_Jones]

$250 for a .303 Martini - you're a fucking tin-arse!

And sadly I had to sell the BSA. I wasn't using it and I wanted a Walther CP99 air pistol.

Had to look that up, no idea what it meant!

Well it has been cut down, so it looses it's value.

-Indy

[Wolf]

Well it has been cut down, so it looses it's value.
True, but it's still a pretty good price.

Tried it out yet or are you still on "atonement duties" to placate AJ?

[Indiana_Jones]

Havn't tried it yet.

Shhh don't tell AJ! (kidding lol, done the AJ order form paperwork)

Perhaps next month sometime at Chris's or the range when it opens :niceone:

Need a pith helmet now...

-Indy

[Wolf]

Need a pith helmet now...
Then we'll be taking the pith outta ya...

theriouthly.

[Indiana_Jones]

lol

But Chris gets to play dress up!

-Indy

[ghost]

Anyone here of these coming into NZ?

[Wolf]

But Chris gets to play dress up!
Will you be wearing the tan shorts and safari shirt, too?

[Indiana_Jones]

Will you be wearing the tan shorts and safari shirt, too?

No sir...


<img src="http://www.svartkrutt.net/artikler/bilder/martinihenry/martini8stor.jpg">

lol

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

Sudden urge to watch Zulu now....

-Indy

[Swoop]

Bad news.

I've just heard that Ray Carvell (SAI) has passed away today, caused by a heart attack.

[ManDownUnder]

Bad news.

I've just heard that Ray Carvell (SAI) has passed away today, caused by a heart attack.

Oh no. Greg (son - who shot the guy in the shop) has been through enough already. Ray struck me as a decent bloke.

[Brett]

Getting my licence at the moment, going to sit the test tonight. For the 30 question test, what do they ask? I have read the arms code a few times over, know the 7 basic rules...what else should I specifically focus on?

[Indiana_Jones]

It's pretty much just the 7 rules, just different situations etc, kinda like the scratch and win for your drivers licence.

It's not hard, pretty much just common sense.

-Indy

[Brett]

It's pretty much just the 7 rules, just different situations etc, kinda like the scratch and win for your drivers licence.

It's not hard, pretty much just common sense.

-Indy

Sweet, sounds easy. Thanks Indy.

[Brett]

Well that was one of the easiest tests I have had to take. Now what is the deal? Paperwork goes down to Wellington, then comes back up here and to pick up licence I have to show them my little green form??

[The Pastor]

pretty much you get it in the mail

[Mr Merde]

Well that was one of the easiest tests I have had to take. Now what is the deal? Paperwork goes down to Wellington, then comes back up here and to pick up licence I have to show them my little green form??


Welcome to the world of shooting.

If you thought that bikes were an addictive sport you now have another that is just as addictive.

Now for the first rule of shooting

YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH GUNS

On a more serious note. If I can be of assistance in any manner just post away on this thread or PM me.

Chris

[Indiana_Jones]

Well that was one of the easiest tests I have had to take. Now what is the deal? Paperwork goes down to Wellington, then comes back up here and to pick up licence I have to show them my little green form??

Keep a hold of the green card, proves you sat and passed the test. Saves having to do it again.

Now wait around for 2-4 months for your licence!


What sort of toys you after?

Also Chris is right, you can never have too many guns!

-Indy

[Brett]

Keep a hold of the green card, proves you sat and passed the test. Saves having to do it again.

Now wait around for 2-4 months for your licence!


What sort of toys you after?

Also Chris is right, you can never have too many guns!

-Indy

I am after many toys. Got a 30.06 waiting for me, will get a good .22, a shotgun and maybe something like a .243 for a start. Then...the sky is the limits. I have done a bit of hunting and shooting etc, just thought it was time to get my own weapons!

[Indiana_Jones]

You need some military weapons.

A nice .303 :D

-Indy

[Wolf]

You need some military weapons.

A nice .303 :D

-Indy
Not a Mosin-Nagant? You traitor!

[Indiana_Jones]

Not a Mosin-Nagant? You traitor!

lol I have three of them, isn't that enough!

-Indy

[Wolf]

lol I have three of them, isn't that enough!

-Indy
Which is why I thought you'd suggest he buy one for himself rather than a .303

[Indiana_Jones]

Which is why I thought you'd suggest he buy one for himself rather than a .303

Yea I also suggest a Mosin-Nagant.

But people look at them sideways lol.

I think they're wonderful looking rifles! and a good cheap entry into military rifles.

My Martini has really grown on me too :)

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

Well I had a very quiet weekend.

Sat in my reloading room and put together 500 .44 magnum and 200 .44 spl rounds.

For a change I loaded with that heathen modern propellant.

Went out on Saturday, late evening, to test the rounds. After a plesant 3/4 hour walk the tally came to 4 bunnies and 1 hare. 6 shots total. All this with my .44 Rossi 92 lever gun I use for competition (built more for speed than super accuracy)

Particularly pleased with the hare as it was a 60 metre, uphill shot in fading light. Took it right through the heart and lungs.

Note to myself.

.44 bullets on little animals, doesnt leave much for the pot.

[The Pastor]

came across a mob of 10 goats, all with horns.

murpheys law states when this happens, you will be 5 hrs away from your rifle.

[The Pastor]

hey chirs, i might swing by your place on sat arvo if thats sweet.

theres a dyno day in krakakraka or someplace nearby.

[Mr Merde]

hey chirs, i might swing by your place on sat arvo if thats sweet.

theres a dyno day in krakakraka or someplace nearby.


OK mate.

Chris

[Wolf]

Shhhhhhhh! Be vewy quiet. We're hunting wabbits.

Hahahahahahahahahahahah!

Off for an evening shoot with ShinySideUp, hoping to bring back at least 2 rabbits and a potfer.

[Indiana_Jones]

Posted this in the social group

"As some of you have no doubt heard, Chris is helping to get a new shooting range off the ground, and he has posted updates in the firearm thread.

Talking to him this weekend gone, he reckons they could be up in 2-3 months time.

Now I was thinknig this could be a great time for a few of the KBers in the area to meet up and chat, shoot and have a few drinks (after the toys are put away!) and what not.

Now, Wolf, I believe you have a muzzleloader, I wish to try that! I'm considering getting one (namely a Brown Bess repro)

Let me know what you think guys....

Cheers

-Andrew"

-Indy

[Wolf]

Now, Wolf, I believe you have a muzzleloader, I wish to try that! I'm considering getting one (namely a Brown Bess repro)
Ain't got it yet - still working towards that. Also hankering to let rip with it (it's a Brown Bess repro)

[Indiana_Jones]

Ain't got it yet - still working towards that. Also hankering to let rip with it (it's a Brown Bess repro)

Sweet as, that's the one I've been pondering over :niceone:

In return you can fire some of my humble toys, the Martini is fun to shoot :D

-Indy

[geoffm]

Posted this in the social group

"As some of you have no doubt heard, Chris is helping to get a new shooting range off the ground, and he has posted updates in the firearm thread.

Talking to him this weekend gone, he reckons they could be up in 2-3 months time.

Now I was thinknig this could be a great time for a few of the KBers in the area to meet up and chat, shoot and have a few drinks (after the toys are put away!) and what not.

Now, Wolf, I believe you have a muzzleloader, I wish to try that! I'm considering getting one (namely a Brown Bess repro)

Let me know what you think guys....

Cheers

-Andrew"

-Indy

Sounds like a plan - time to dust off the toys and see how much of that crate of 308 I have left...

[Indiana_Jones]

Sounds like a plan - time to dust off the toys and see how much of that crate of 308 I have left...

Awesome :sunny:

-Indy

[emaN]

came across a mob of 10 goats, all with horns.

murpheys law states when this happens, you will be 5 hrs away from your rifle.
too true!!!!!!!!!!!

[wbks]

Whats something relatively cheap rifle that can be silenced (so I don't have to go miles out of the way or only shoot in certain times) and is good to learn shooting with? Like what brand or model in peticular?

[Indiana_Jones]

Whats something relatively cheap rifle that can be silenced (so I don't have to go miles out of the way or only shoot in certain times) and is good to learn shooting with? Like what brand or model in peticular?

You can get the Norinco .22's for like $350 with a scope/supressor.

how silent you wanting?

-Indy

[wbks]

Quiet enough that I could shoot in the paddock about 50 meters from a group of houses in town without getting the cops called on me. Just another thing... Is there a difference between a silencer and a suppressor?

[Indiana_Jones]

Quiet enough that I could shoot in the paddock about 50 meters from a group of houses in town without getting the cops called on me. Just another thing... Is there a difference between a silencer and a suppressor?

The way I think of it is that a silencer is a device that goes over the entire/most of the barrel and tries to take as much noise as possible from the rifle out.

A suppressor is normally the screw on device that's about 10cm long and just goes on the end of the barrel. They take most of the noise out, but people 50m would still hear it I reckon.

where as a good fully suppressed rifle, you would only hear the sound the firing pin hitting the round.

If you have a licence etc, don't worry I reckon. Use the rifle with the suppressor, minding your own business.

Worst case if the cops get called out, show them your licence, and if they say "oh the people down the road are scared blah blah" just say sorry and don't do it again, because the law is on their side.

Or you could just go down the road and ask/tell them u wanna shoot shit and how do they feel

-Indy

[wbks]

Is there any specific rule saying you have to be a certain distance away from residential places to shoot as far as you know?

[Indiana_Jones]

Is there any specific rule saying you have to be a certain distance away from residential places to shoot as far as you know?

"Discharging a firearm, airgun, pistol or restricted weapon in or near a dwelling house or public place so as to endanger property or to endanger, annoy or frighten any person."

from the arms act.

No set distance, would be done on a case by case basis I'd think.

-Indy

[Wolf]

"Discharging a firearm, airgun, pistol or restricted weapon in or near a dwelling house or public place so as to endanger property or to endanger, annoy or frighten any person."

from the arms act.

No set distance, would be done on a case by case basis I'd think.

-Indy
You can shoot possums from the comfort of your own (or an obliging friend's) porch so long as you don't "endanger property or endanger, annoy or frighten any person."

It's probably considered "good form" - in some places - to ask permission first...

And if someone feels endangered, annoyed or frightened and elects to complain, you're automatically in the wrong.

[Indiana_Jones]

You can shoot possums from the comfort of your own (or an obliging friend's) porch so long as you don't "endanger property or endanger, annoy or frighten any person."

It's probably considered "good form" - in some places - to ask permission first...

And if someone feels endangered, annoyed or frightened and elects to complain, you're automatically in the wrong.

Pretty much what Wolf said aye

-Indy

[wbks]

Ok Thanks for the help. I'll try find a number to call for the paddock and if not theres another one my mates olds own bout 10 mins from here so I'm pretty sure I'll be able to go there. Just one more thing. Would you recommend buying second hand to save money or is it a better idea to spend the extra dosh for a new rifle? And are cleaning kits really neccesary?

[STOLLI R1]

One of my .22s is an M1 carbine copy by ERMA Werke called an EM1 and if any body reads this knowing where another one is let me know! I really want to loose the scope thats on it, and get the correct rear sight for it.

I was too poor to buy one of the No9s that went at Turners the other week. You needed more than the $600.00 I had.

Does anyone know if the Norinco JW25 is full size compared to a K98? I suspect they are smaller.

Im always looking for wooden furniture for the L1A1, any condition considered.

[Indiana_Jones]

Ok Thanks for the help. I'll try find a number to call for the paddock and if not theres another one my mates olds own bout 10 mins from here so I'm pretty sure I'll be able to go there. Just one more thing. Would you recommend buying second hand to save money or is it a better idea to spend the extra dosh for a new rifle? And are cleaning kits really neccesary?

If you're just starting out, nothing wrong with second hand, you might change your mind etc. Though with the Norinco's you can buy the things new for like $300 with a scope on them, they have little resell value from what I can see on tardme

And yes, cleaning kits are neccesary.



I was too poor to buy one of the No9s that went at Turners the other week. You needed more than the $600.00 I had.

Does anyone know if the Norinco JW25 is full size compared to a K98? I suspect they are smaller.


Shit they went for that much each!? I was thinking about getting one, but I couldn't be fucked getting down to Wellington.

I take it you mean the .22 K98 copy Norinco sells?

They're not full size, they're meant to be copies of the K98 training rifles. They look nice though from the pics I've seen on the net.

-Indy

[The Pastor]

And yes, cleaning kits are neccesary.
-Indy

not for .22's ;)

[wbks]

Yes? No? And are magnums much better and worth the extra money to buy an (I'll assume) more expensive ammo?

[doc]

8.30 24th March tuesday
A look at private contractors servicing US military supplies, running bases,and protecting diplomats. AO

[Brett]

Yay, licence came in the mail yesterday, time to start building the cache.

[Swoop]

8.30 24th March tuesday
A look at private contractors servicing US military supplies, running bases,and protecting diplomats. AO
That was a good programme.
They still didn't have a confirmed "price per meal" though...:rofl: I wonder why the Talitubbies do not attack the American's at their weakest point... the three flavours of ice cream?

[Indiana_Jones]

Yay, licence came in the mail yesterday, time to start building the cache.

Sweet as mate :D

-Indy

[sAsLEX]

I have found THE rifle I want...... made in the UK with a barrel from Scotland and a length of 60 inches..... must start saving

[Indiana_Jones]

I have found THE rifle I want...... made in the UK with a barrel from Scotland and a length of 60 inches..... must start saving

Pics.........

-Indy

[scumdog]

One of my .22s is an M1 carbine copy by ERMA Werke called an EM1 and if any body reads this knowing where another one is let me know! I really want to loose the scope thats on it, and get the correct rear sight for it.

I was too poor to buy one of the No9s that went at Turners the other week. You needed more than the $600.00 I had.

Does anyone know if the Norinco JW25 is full size compared to a K98? I suspect they are smaller.

Im always looking for wooden furniture for the L1A1, any condition considered.

Speaking of such stuff, I have a Chinese M1 carbine style 22 semi-auto, it shoots well but the 10 shot plastic mag has a split down the front and it won't fit into the magazine well if there is more than 6 or 7 rounds in it and I can't seem to buy another one, abybody got any ideas where I could get one??

[Monsterbishi]

One of my .22s is an M1 carbine copy by ERMA Werke called an EM1 and if any body reads this knowing where another one is let me know! I really want to loose the scope thats on it, and get the correct rear sight for it.

I have a friend who has just bought one in from Germany, I'll get the website from him and get back to you, they are quite common over there.

[Mr Merde]

Speaking of such stuff, I have a Chinese M1 carbine style 22 semi-auto, it shoots well but the 10 shot plastic mag has a split down the front and it won't fit into the magazine well if there is more than 6 or 7 rounds in it and I can't seem to buy another one, abybody got any ideas where I could get one??


More than 7 rounds in a semi auto rifle. Mmmm

Scummy, I do hope you have this on your E cat licence.

[Wolf]

More than 7 rounds in a semi auto rifle. Mmmm

Scummy, I do hope you have this on your E cat licence.
Dude, it's a .22 - the 7-round restriction is for centre-fire. 10-round mags are perfectly kosher for .22 semis

[Mr Merde]

Dude, it's a .22 - the 7-round restriction is for centre-fire. 10-round mags are perfectly kosher for .22 semis


Realised that after I postred.

Sorry Scummy.

More than 15 for a .22 and you need an E cat


BTW.

I spent a pleasant 3 hours training with my pistols on Saturday morning. Went to the range in Waiuku and just started from scratch.

Holster work was very rusty. Mt transitions were abismal.

Aim was OK just the fluidness I need for competition was gone.

Looks like I need to do a lot of dry fire practicew at home before my next competition (MAY)

Only good thing came out of the exercise was the rounds I was using.
.44 mag cases
200gn bullet of soft lead.
Magum primer and 4.9 gns of AS30N powder.

Lovely light load. Accurate and easy on the recoil. Good in the carbine also.

I need to do some work on the carbine. Not ejecting properly. Too many stovepipes.

[The Pastor]

Looks like I need to do a lot of dry fire practice at home before my next competition (MAY)



Tui anyone

[sAsLEX]

Tui anyone

Don't mix alcohol and firearms........

[Mr Merde]

Tui anyone

So either you dont think that I will practice or I cant practice without actual live rounds.

You could be right on both counts but as everyone knows you are only allowed to use pistols on approved ranges whilst on private land you are allowed to shoot anything you like.

Nice anominaly.

I can legally shoot a bolt action .50 BMG bolt action rifle, with a theoretical range of 6000 metres, on a piece of private land, but not a .22 pistol that has a theoretical range if 1km.

Wheres the logic in that?

I can shoot a Ruger Mini 14 rifle with my A cat but if I dare put a pistol grip stock on it ( because my shoulder is knackered) then I need a wholey different licence because it has suddenly become an "assault rifle"

There are some fuckwits making up our laws arent there?

[The Pastor]

So either you dont think that I will practice or I cant practice without actual live rounds.

You could be right on both counts but as everyone knows you are only allowed to use pistols on approved ranges whilst on private land you are allowed to shoot anything you like.

Nice anominaly.

I can legally shoot a bolt action .50 BMG bolt action rifle, with a theoretical range of 6000 metres, on a piece of private land, but not a .22 pistol that has a theoretical range if 1km.

Wheres the logic in that?

I can shoot a Ruger Mini 14 rifle with my A cat but if I dare put a pistol grip stock on it ( because my shoulder is knackered) then I need a wholey different licence because it has suddenly become an "assault rifle"

There are some fuckwits making up our laws arent there?
and dont for get the rule, dont drink and shoot. that ones wack.

[Mr Merde]

and dont for get the rule, dont drink and shoot. that ones wack.

A well known shooter and writer on firearms, Elmer Keith, saldly deceased, states in his book "Sixguns", that if you are partial to a small drink before shooting then you should maintain the habit.

He doesnt imply that you should get plastered but that you shouldnt change your habits and lifestyle just to shoot.

I like this man.

He owned and kept a lot of guns. Every gun in his house was loaded.

His idea was not for you to assume that they were unloaded but to know they were loaded. If every gun is loaded and others knew then they wouldnt ponce around with them thinking they were "safe"

[Monsterbishi]

There are some fuckwits making up our laws aren't there?

It's not the ones making the laws that are the problem, it's the end of the scale where the idiots reside that make them necessary in the first place.

Be thankful for the current restrictions, when they were originally put in place they were the best outcome possible to stave off the push by groups to ban the weapons completely.

The lesser of two evils as it were, or would you prefer not to have the weapons at all?

[Drunken Monkey]

There are some fuckwits making up our laws arent there?

...yes, but look at how firearm control and MSSA prohibition has helped society. I mean, there's no such thing as murder by firearm any more, is there?

Yeah right...

[scumdog]

More than 7 rounds in a semi auto rifle. Mmmm

Scummy, I do hope you have this on your E cat licence.

Not for this baby - it's a .22!!

[scumdog]

So either you dont think that I will practice or I cant practice without actual live rounds.

You could be right on both counts but as everyone knows you are only allowed to use pistols on approved ranges whilst on private land you are allowed to shoot anything you like.

Nice anominaly.

I can legally shoot a bolt action .50 BMG bolt action rifle, with a theoretical range of 6000 metres, on a piece of private land, but not a .22 pistol that has a theoretical range if 1km.

Wheres the logic in that?

I can shoot a Ruger Mini 14 rifle with my A cat but if I dare put a pistol grip stock on it ( because my shoulder is knackered) then I need a wholey different licence because it has suddenly become an "assault rifle"

There are some fuckwits making up our laws arent there?

Yup, 15 shot semi-auto .22? - no problem.


A 5-shot .22 semi-auto with a pistol-grip? Oooooo, suddenly now you have a MSSA, go figure?

And who can remember those Mossberg (I think, memory is a bit fuzzy about the 60's) that came out with a fold down kinda pistol-grip on the fore-end??

Would they be cat E stuff??:confused:

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Anyone had anything to do with the Norinco K98 .22 ?
My youngest is a militaria fan and is thinking about buying one.
5 round bolt action, seems the perfect first 'real rifle' to me.
Looking at a picture, it seems he may need to buy higher scope mounts, has
anyone tried a scope on one of these ?:niceone:

[The Pastor]

Anyone had anything to do with the Norinco K98 .22 ?
My youngest is a militaria fan and is thinking about buying one.
5 round bolt action, seems the perfect first 'real rifle' to me.
Looking at a picture, it seems he may need to buy higher scope mounts, has
anyone tried a scope on one of these ?:niceone:
All I know mate is they look cool ;)

[sAsLEX]

Wheres the logic in that?


You do look a bit funny with this 17kg piece of iron in your pocket.....

<img src=http://www.rpainternational.co.uk/images/rifles/large/rm50.jpg>




A 5-shot .22 semi-auto with a pistol-grip? Oooooo, suddenly now you have a MSSA, go figure?


Your bolt retaining pin wears on your Gevarm and all of a sudden you have an automatic .22........

[scumdog]

Your bolt retaining pin wears on your Gevarm and all of a sudden you have an automatic .22........

Hmmm, you been watching me?????:lol:

[Mr Merde]

You do look a bit funny with this 17kg piece of iron in your pocket.....

http://www.rpainternational.co.uk/images/rifles/large/rm50.jpg




Your bolt retaining pin wears on your Gevarm and all of a sudden you have an automatic .22........

I have fired on of these here in NZ. .55 Boyes Anti Tank Rifle

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/bb/Boys_Mk_I_AT_Rifle.jpg

[The Pastor]

Bet the recoil is next to nothing on that......

[Mr Merde]

Bet the recoil is next to nothing on that......

managable but it gives you a good enough belt so you definitely know its there.

Muzzle blast to the sides is horrendous

The bullets for it were asolid brass made on a lathe.

punched through 1" (28mm) of steel plate with a nice neat 14 mm hole.

[The Pastor]

i have a marlin 308mxlr - I want to dis asemble the bolt and clean it but have no idea how.

anyone got any ideas?

[Indiana_Jones]

Smash it with a hammer?

You mentioned it's misfiring Scott, surely you have some form of warrenty being a brand new rifle?

-Indy

[geoffm]

i have a marlin 308mxlr - I want to dis asemble the bolt and clean it but have no idea how.

anyone got any ideas?

Seen the manual? http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/xlr/308MXLR.asp

[The Pastor]

all it needs is the bolt cleaned

[Indiana_Jones]

Hopefully that would do it.

if not, on the last page of the manual there's an exploded diagram which could help show how to take her apart.

If it keeps doing it after cleaning the bolt, perhaps the firing pin isn't coming out far enough or hard enough

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

Don't forgot the Auckland Arms fair is on this Weekend!

-Indy

[sAsLEX]

Don't forgot the Auckland Arms fair is on this Weekend!

-Indy

And this nice cold weather should be kicking the deer into the roar in time for me flying south tomorrow!

[The Pastor]

i was out deer stalking in the weekend. or should i say taking my gun for a walk.

was about 20 seconds too slow on getting my rifle out of my car for a nice little goat on the way home tho.

why did i unload and put it in its case???

[Wolf]

i was out deer stalking in the weekend. or should i say taking my gun for a walk.
Uh huh! Know that feeling! :yes:

[Sniper]

Missing the Easter bunny hunt again this year. Sorry Chaps and chapesses. But next year, I have to be back in NZ in time for it, wife to be says so.

[Smokin]

Missing the Easter bunny hunt again this year. Sorry Chaps and chapesses. But next year, I have to be back in NZ in time for it, wife to be says so.


We could have used your skills too mate, The rifle's played a big part in it this year with some long shots needed, The little buggers knew what guns were and didn't stop until out of range, they just didn't know we had 17Hmr's :bye:

[ManDownUnder]

Ok - time for a new toy. I have the HMR for the wee small stuff... I have the 270 WSM for the bigger stuff (deers)... and I have budget, the perfect excuse and a hankering, for a big bang behind a small fast pill... Goats would be typical victims although the odd Magpie or bunny might volunteer for impact testing at longer ranges.

Stainless synthetic, want to reload, want barrel wear to be as moderate as reasonably possible (for something throwing out the lead at 4000fps.. ish...).

Thoughts? Experiences? Scope recommendations?

[Monsterbishi]

Ok - time for a new toy. I have the HMR for the wee small stuff... I have the 270 WSM for the bigger stuff (deers)... and I have budget, the perfect excuse and a hankering, for a big bang behind a small fast pill... Goats would be typical victims although the odd Magpie or bunny might volunteer for impact testing at longer ranges.

Stainless synthetic, want to reload, want barrel wear to be as moderate as reasonably possible (for something throwing out the lead at 4000fps.. ish...).

Thoughts? Experiences? Scope recommendations?

22-250 is the popular pick, but the key thing to remember is that there is no such thing as reasonable barrel wear when the pills are leaving the barrel at 4000fps!

[Smokin]

Ok - time for a new toy. I have the HMR for the wee small stuff... I have the 270 WSM for the bigger stuff (deers)... and I have budget, the perfect excuse and a hankering, for a big bang behind a small fast pill... Goats would be typical victims although the odd Magpie or bunny might volunteer for impact testing at longer ranges.

Stainless synthetic, want to reload, want barrel wear to be as moderate as reasonably possible (for something throwing out the lead at 4000fps.. ish...).

Thoughts? Experiences? Scope recommendations?

How about a 222, Goats and wallaby's fall head over heals for them. cheap to run too.

[The Pastor]

go big, you wont regret it unless you want distance and speed :P

http://www.marlinfirearms.com/firearms/bigbore/444.asp

[Mr Merde]

Ok - time for a new toy. I have the HMR for the wee small stuff... I have the 270 WSM for the bigger stuff (deers)... and I have budget, the perfect excuse and a hankering, for a big bang behind a small fast pill... Goats would be typical victims although the odd Magpie or bunny might volunteer for impact testing at longer ranges.

Stainless synthetic, want to reload, want barrel wear to be as moderate as reasonably possible (for something throwing out the lead at 4000fps.. ish...).

Thoughts? Experiences? Scope recommendations?

25-06 good for all. about 3000fps. Accurate and light recoil

[ManDownUnder]

25-06 good for all. about 3000fps. Accurate and light recoil

I have to admit that crossed my mind but I forgot too look up the details... ta!

Edit - I see the projectiles are 85 grain upwards (to 130 I'd guess) making it a bit heavy for what I'm after. I'd love flat fast 50gr so the 204 works, but the 22-250 appeals for the variety of projectiles. That said the .223 falls nicely into that gap anyway and barrel life will be a lot higher. Aaa well - dreaming on. I have a while to think about them yet.

[Mr Merde]

I have to admit that crossed my mind but I forgot too look up the details... ta!

Edit - I see the projectiles are 85 grain upwards (to 130 I'd guess) making it a bit heavy for what I'm after. I'd love flat fast 50gr so the 204 works, but the 22-250 appeals for the variety of projectiles. That said the .223 falls nicely into that gap anyway and barrel life will be a lot higher. Aaa well - dreaming on. I have a while to think about them yet.

.223 would be nice but the 25-06 has a little more reach than that round.

At 85 grains you would be looking at 400-500 metre shots at bunnies.
Read a book on long range rifle shooting, last month, and the author raved about the 25-06 for distances up to 600 metres, and for game from prarie dogs to deer.

A good alrounder.

If you like you can borrow my .223 for a while to see if you like that round. Weatherby rifle with a 3-9 x 40 scope and bipod.


Chris

[ManDownUnder]

Heads up - ammo sale at Sportsways gun shed in Mt Eden... the table has lots of options on it. not sure how the price compares to normal but ringing first wouldn't hurt.

There seems to be a fair bit for sale.

[Delerium]

.223, milsurp ammo is so cheap that you wont need to reload

[geoffm]

Second 223. But you will want to reload - the milsurp stuff isn't so cheap any more and is usually FMJ - and accuracy sucks. My Remington 700 will shoot 0.5MOA no warries with reloads but twice that or worse with chinese FMJ.
Lots of cheap brass and projectiles for 223 as it is the cop ammo - so you can get 500 cases and bulk pack 55gr projectiles for sod all from Reloaders or Seriosu Shooters. I have some spares...

[Monsterbishi]

Second 223. But you will want to reload - the milsurp stuff isn't so cheap any more and is usually FMJ - and accuracy sucks. My Remington 700 will shoot 0.5MOA no worries with reloads but twice that or worse with Chinese FMJ.
Lots of cheap brass and projectiles for 223 as it is the cop ammo - so you can get 500 cases and bulk pack 55gr projectiles for sod all from Reloaders or Serious Shooters.

^^^ What he said

You can't get decent 5.56 milsurp ammo for love 'nor money these days.

Having said that, the bulk of my ammo is milsurp, being that my brass is FNH from a scrap dealer that I've de-crimped, my projectiles are 62gr SS109. 25gr of AR2206H gets them running at 2875fps, 23.5gr of BM1 spits them out at 2969FPS.

[P38]

Ok - time for a new toy. I have the HMR for the wee small stuff... I have the 270 WSM for the bigger stuff (deers)... and I have budget, the perfect excuse and a hankering, for a big bang behind a small fast pill... Goats would be typical victims although the odd Magpie or bunny might volunteer for impact testing at longer ranges.

Stainless synthetic, want to reload, want barrel wear to be as moderate as reasonably possible (for something throwing out the lead at 4000fps.. ish...).

Thoughts? Experiences? Scope recommendations?

Build a wildcat mate.

I built up a 250-303 a few years ago after reading how they were doing busting goats n bunnies and stuff in the Northern Territory.
It was a very easy conversion using an old SMLE 303 as a donor, replaced the original barrel with a 25 cal and reamed it out to suit the 303 case necked down to 25cal. A few minor mods to the magizine, topped it off with a 3-9x40 scope and we were in business. Nick Harvey provided some reloading data and after fire forming a few cases and adjusting the loads to suit we started to get some respectible 1/2moa groups. Sure gave them goats the hurry up. the benifit of using the 25cal is the enormous range of projectiles availible and combined with the case capacity of the 303 you can work up a wide range of loads for all sorts of situations.
Its fun building up your own rifle especially when you start making those awesome long range head shots.

Also built a bolt action 410 shotgun using a SMLE, worked well too, .... but thats another story

[Mr Merde]

Ballistics for the 25-06

Peruse and enjoy. Heavier bullets on next post.

Bullet Type & Weight Muzzle Velocity / Energy 100 Yard 200 Yards 300 Yards 400 Yards 500 Yards

<TABLE borderColor=#000080 height=1 cellSpacing=0 borderColorDark=#000080 cellPadding=0 width=900 borderColorLight=#0000ff border=2><TBODY><TR><TD align=left width=195 height=19>75 Gr. Hollow Point
</TD><TD align=middle width=113 height=19>3700 / 2279</TD><TD align=middle width=163 height=19>+0.88 / 3279 / 1790</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>+0.00 / 2885 / 1386</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>-5.08 / 2520 / 1057</TD><TD align=middle width=164 height=19>-15.66 / 2186 / 796</TD><TD align=middle width=169 height=19>-33.59 / 1885 / 592</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=195 height=19> 87 Gr. Spire Point</TD><TD align=middle width=113 height=19>3600 / 2503</TD><TD align=middle width=163 height=19>+0.89 / 3267 / 2061</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>+0.00 / 2951 / 1682</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>-4.89 / 2653 / 1360</TD><TD align=middle width=164 height=19>-14.76 / 2374 / 1089</TD><TD align=middle width=169 height=19>-30.77 / 2117 / 865</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=195 height=19> 90 Gr. Barnes X</TD><TD align=middle width=113 height=19>3420 / 2337</TD><TD align=middle width=163 height=19>+1.05 / 3116 / 1939</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>+0.00 / 2827 / 1596</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>-5.41 / 2553 / 1302</TD><TD align=middle width=164 height=19>-16.18 / 2298 / 1055</TD><TD align=middle width=169 height=19>-33.52 / 2061 / 849</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=195 height=19>100 Gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip</TD><TD align=middle width=113 height=19>3350 / 2491</TD><TD align=middle width=163 height=19>+1.08 / 3086 / 2115</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>+0.00 / 2835 / 1784</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>-5.41 / 2595 / 1495</TD><TD align=middle width=164 height=19>-16.02 / 2368 / 1245</TD><TD align=middle width=169 height=19>-32.79 / 2156 / 1032</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=195 height=19>100 Gr. Nosler Partition</TD><TD align=middle width=113 height=19>3350 / 2491</TD><TD align=middle width=163 height=19>+1.10 / 3076 / 2100</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>+0.00 / 2814 / 1758</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>-5.49 / 2565 / 1461</TD><TD align=middle width=164 height=19>-16.30 / 2331 / 1207</TD><TD align=middle width=169 height=19>-33.46 / 2113 / 991</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=195 height=19>100 Gr. Barnes X</TD><TD align=middle width=113 height=19>3300 / 2418</TD><TD align=middle width=163 height=19>+1.12 / 3055 / 2072</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>+0.00 / 2821 / 1766</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>-5.49 / 2596 / 1497</TD><TD align=middle width=164 height=19>-16.17 / 2384 / 1262</TD><TD align=middle width=169 height=19>-32.93 / 2184 / 1059</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=195 height=19>100 Gr. Spire Point</TD><TD align=middle width=113 height=19>3400 / 2566</TD><TD align=middle width=163 height=19>+1.06 / 3108 / 2145</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>+0.00 / 2831 / 1779</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>-5.40 / 2567 / 1463</TD><TD align=middle width=164 height=19>-16.11 / 2321 / 1196</TD><TD align=middle width=169 height=19>-33.25 / 2091 / 971</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Mr Merde]

Heavier bullets

<TABLE borderColor=#000080 height=1 cellSpacing=0 borderColorDark=#000080 cellPadding=0 width=900 borderColorLight=#0000ff border=2><TBODY><TR><TD align=left width=195 height=19>100 Gr. Swift A-Frame</TD><TD align=middle width=113 height=19>3400 / 2566</TD><TD align=middle width=163 height=19>+1.10 / 3073 / 2097</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>+0.00 / 2765 / 1697</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>-5.67 / 2475 / 1359</TD><TD align=middle width=164 height=19>-17.02 / 2206 / 1080</TD><TD align=middle width=169 height=19>-35.56 / 1958 / 852</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=195 height=19>115 Gr. Nosler Partition</TD><TD align=middle width=113 height=19>3190 / 2598</TD><TD align=middle width=163 height=19>+1.28 / 2931 / 2193</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>+0.00 / 2684 / 1839</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>-6.13 / 2450 / 1532</TD><TD align=middle width=164 height=19>-18.03 / 2230 / 1270</TD><TD align=middle width=169 height=19>-36.94 / 2025 / 1047</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=195 height=19>115 Gr. Nosler Ballistic Tip</TD><TD align=middle width=113 height=19>3190 / 2598</TD><TD align=middle width=163 height=19>+1.25 / 2955 / 2229</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>+0.00 / 2729 / 1902</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>-5.92 / 2514 / 1613</TD><TD align=middle width=164 height=19>-17.36 / 2310 / 1363</TD><TD align=middle width=169 height=19>-35.28 / 2119 / 1146</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=195 height=19>115 Gr. Barnes X</TD><TD align=middle width=113 height=19>3040 / 2359</TD><TD align=middle width=163 height=19>+1.45 / 2811 / 2017</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>+0.00 / 2592 / 1715</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>-6.67 / 2384 / 1451</TD><TD align=middle width=164 height=19>-19.40 / 2188 / 1222</TD><TD align=middle width=169 height=19>-39.42 / 2004 / 1025</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=195 height=19>120 Gr. Speer Grand Slam</TD><TD align=middle width=113 height=19>3080 / 2527</TD><TD align=middle width=163 height=19>+1.51 / 2780 / 2059</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>+0.00 / 2498 / 1662</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>-7.10 / 2235 / 1331</TD><TD align=middle width=164 height=19>-21.16 / 1993 / 1058</TD><TD align=middle width=169 height=19>-44.04 / 1769 / 834</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=195 height=19>120 Gr. Nosler Partition</TD><TD align=middle width=113 height=19>3090 / 2544</TD><TD align=middle width=163 height=19>+1.41 / 2837 / 2144</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>+0.00 / 2596 / 1795</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>-6.60 / 2368 / 1494</TD><TD align=middle width=164 height=19>-19.37 / 2155 / 1237</TD><TD align=middle width=169 height=19>-39.69 / 1955 / 1018</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=195 height=19>120 Gr. BTSP</TD><TD align=middle width=113 height=19>3100 / 2560</TD><TD align=middle width=163 height=19>+1.38 / 2858 / 2176</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>+0.00 / 2627 / 1838</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>-6.45 / 2407 / 1544</TD><TD align=middle width=164 height=19>-18.87 / 2201 / 1291</TD><TD align=middle width=169 height=19>-38.48 / 2008 / 1074</TD></TR><TR><TD align=left width=195 height=19>120 Gr. Swift A-Frame</TD><TD align=middle width=113 height=19>3100 / 2560</TD><TD align=middle width=163 height=19>+1.41 / 2841 / 2150</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>+0.00 / 2594 / 1792</TD><TD align=middle width=166 height=19>-6.61 / 2361 / 1485</TD><TD align=middle width=164 height=19>-19.42 / 2143 / 1224</TD><TD align=middle width=169 height=19>-39.87 / 1940 / 1003</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[frogfeaturesFZR]

.243 with 'varmint' projectiles (60 grn or so ) is another option.

[The Pastor]

anyone got some land I could shoot some duck on?

[Indiana_Jones]

So who here has access to a good duck shooting spot or know any public ones in the Auckland region.

Post it up in the social group also

Cheers,

-Indy

[geoffm]

Why not handload your 270 with lighter bullets - try http://www.loaddata.com/members/search_detail.cfm?MetallicID=3786.
Goats are tough and need some power to knock them over.

I used to have some 110gr loads for the 3006 - pumped along over 3200fps

Unless you want an excuse to buy a new toy of course...

[Mr Merde]

Why not handload your 270 with lighter bullets - try http://www.loaddata.com/members/search_detail.cfm?MetallicID=3786.
Goats are tough and need some power to knock them over.

I used to have some 110gr loads for the 3006 - pumped along over 3200fps

Unless you want an excuse to buy a new toy of course...

Does one need an excuse to buy a new toy?

Good idea btw. Not enough people play around withtheir rifles and ammo to really get to know it.

[Winston001]

All very interesting chaps but what I want to know is what is the best assault rifle? Not to buy of course, just what people know about current military hardware.

M4?

[Wolf]

All very interesting chaps but what I want to know is what is the best assault rifle? Not to buy of course, just what people know about current military hardware.

M4?
AK-47 - spare parts and ammo readily available all over the World...

:devil2:

[Flip]

Missing the Easter bunny hunt again this year. Sorry Chaps and chapesses. But next year, I have to be back in NZ in time for it, wife to be says so.

The weather was great this year, warm days and clear but cold nights. We did OK not as good as we would like but were happy with the total and we all had fun which was the purpose of the trip.

[Winston001]

AK-47 - spare parts and ammo readily available all over the World...

:devil2:

Well......mmmm.....can't argue about its reliability and adaptability. Not accurate over 300m and fires high to the left so I've read. And it was developed in 1947 so its a 60yr old design...although I think most versions are the 1952 model.

[Wolf]

Not accurate over 300m
It doesn't need to be, it's an Assault Rifle.


and fires high to the left so I've read
The Chinese had a way of compensating for that.


And it was developed in 1947 so its a 60yr old design
The word you're looking for is "classic"...

:devil2:

[The Pastor]

although not an assault rifle, hollywood tells me the mp5 sub machine gun is the weapon to choose when taking on hordes of aliens.

[Mr Merde]

....And it was developed in 1947 so its a 60yr old design...l.

Older than that.

It's design was based on a german assult rifle from WW2

In late 1943, the MP44 (the most commonly found German assault rifle from the war)

[Mr Merde]

although not an assault rifle, hollywood tells me the mp5 sub machine gun is the weapon to choose when taking on hordes of aliens.

Only if they are no more than 50 metres from you

[Mr Merde]

although not an assault rifle, hollywood tells me the mp5 sub machine gun is the weapon to choose when taking on hordes of aliens.

Talking of these types of weapons.

Have you noticed that when fired in the moivies they seem to be able to go full auto for 30 seconds or more. Not too bad for a 30 round magazine (approx) that most have.

Any one remember "Predator"?

One soldier fires a hand held mini gun and fires for what seems like an eternity. I would hate to have to lug the firearm around let alone the thousands of rounds they must have used in that long and protracted session of firing.

[Wolf]

Not too bad for a 30 round magazine (approx) that most have.
And the 600-rounds-per-minute (typical) ROF

around 3 seconds from full to empty by my calculations...

[ghost]

All very interesting chaps but what I want to know is what is the best assault rifle? Not to buy of course, just what people know about current military hardware.

M4?

All ways liked the M4, can be configured in many ways and never had an issue with reliability, have shot AK's and would rate the Galil and R4 derivities highly for reliability and function, it all boils down to your perspective of what makes an assault rifle good, if its got all the bells and whistles on it or is just a plain old trusty shooter that will knock down anything you shoot at (FN's G3's). Mine would be simple (like me) in 5.56, lots of ammo available, even if it not the hardest hitting, capable of accurate auto fire in short bursts, kept light, no optics.

Depending of where it was to be used would go with 7.62, G3 for more knock down at range or even an Heavy Barrel FN, bipod, full auto..... mmmm full auto...

[Indiana_Jones]

Hollywood has developed a special mag for firearms that only needs reloading during key moments in action.

Duh lol

-Indy

[The Pastor]

What I want to get is the pants that can hold 100 pistol mags fully loaded.

[scumdog]

And the 600-rounds-per-minute (typical) ROF

around 3 seconds from full to empty by my calculations...

Yeah, the ones I've used seemed to run for about 3 seconds.

And the 40cal one was real hard to keep on target on full-auot, the three-shot burst mode was not TOO bad.

[scumdog]

The Chinese had a way of compensating for that.

The compensator is angled in relation to the muzzle, i.e. it slants like somebody sliced it an angle.

[Wolf]

The compensator is angled in relation to the muzzle, i.e. it slants like somebody sliced it an angle.
Also, when firing full-auto at massed targets, they angled the rifle so it hit in roughly the right area and the recoil caused it to sweep across the crowd...

[Mr Merde]

Continuing in the Hollywood\TV theme

Can anyone tell me the benifits of holding a pistol in a horizontal position?

It would seem to make it easier for the collection of spent cases but does it aid in the accuracy of firing the pistol?

Also, please enlighten me why in hollwood movies and TV programmes it seems to be more accurate to hold a pistol both horizontally and above the head? This also seems to be linked in with an aggressive attitude and a constant waving of the arms of the person firing the pistol.

I class myself as a student of pistol accuracy and always like to discover the reasoning behind new techniques.

[Bend-it]

The Chinese had a way of compensating for that.



The compensator is angled in relation to the muzzle, i.e. it slants like somebody sliced it an angle.

No... it was a design feature to suit their (our) slanted eyes...

:banana::dodge::lol:

[ManDownUnder]

Possibly a repost but... well worth it I think

NxzrahUUTi8

[ManDownUnder]

This guy's ok too I s'pose...

Og9ccsb1v6o

[Mr Merde]

This guy's ok too I s'pose...

Og9ccsb1v6o

Ed McGivern, 1935.

6 shots from a revolver, all on target, all in a group of 1"

.45 seconds.

Hasnt been beaten yet.

Gerry Miciluk (person in the video) has come close but no cigar

[Mr Merde]

Actually saw Gerry give a demonstration at Bisley one year.

Revolver.

18 shots starting from a holster.

10 seconds

Brilliant

[Wolf]

Can anyone tell me the benifits of holding a pistol in a horizontal position?
Chur. It looks meen-az, mah Homey! Fo' wen u go 2 to pop a cap in dat muthafucka's ass...

[ManDownUnder]

2 to pop a cap in dat muthafucka's ass...

I keep my hats in a wardrobe... is that wrong?

[sharknet]

Does a paintball gun count as a firearm?

Wait for it...

[The Pastor]

i keep my hats in a wardrobe... Is that wrong?
not as wrong as the blow up sheep next to the hats.

[Wolf]

not as wrong as the blow up sheep next to the hats.

:killingme

Must spread the rep around before I can bling you again

[ManDownUnder]

not as wrong as the blow up sheep next to the hats.

I'm not sure is more wrong - that comment, or the first coming to mind was shoving a stick of explosive up the sheep's arse...

[The Pastor]

i'm not sure is more wrong - that comment, or the first coming to mind was shoving a stick of explosive up the sheep's arse...
mate what you do in your home is your business, not ours. You can keep your "shoving ur stick up a sheep's arse" business to yourself!!!!!!

[Indiana_Jones]

Chur. It looks meen-az, mah Homey! Fo' wen u go 2 to pop a cap in dat muthafucka's ass...

Fo shizzle dizzle! :cool:

Sweet Jesus I leave the thread for a few hours and look what happens.

Taken over by sheep shaggin' niggers lol

-Indy

[Swoop]

Can anyone tell me the benifits of holding a pistol in a horizontal position?
Two reasons.
#1. "Style and appearance". One has to look the part when in the presence of other "homo's" oops! "homies".
#2. To slow down the draw and potentially decrease accuracy. This is a good thing(tm) for the law enforcement community...

[Mr Merde]

I am really knackered. Trying to work my way through the RMA in attempt to get consent for our new range.

How do firms ever manage to get things done?

What a minefield of beaurocracy and red tape.

In the words of one Clint Eastwood "a real cluster fuck"

[The Pastor]

i am really knackered. Trying to work my way through the rma in attempt to get consent for our new range.

How do firms ever manage to get things done?

What a minefield of beauroicracy and red tape.

In the words of one clint eastwood "a real cluster fuck"
we employ the use of the one known sub species of humans, planners.

[Mr Merde]

we employ the use of the one known sub species of humans, planners.

They have my sympathy.

So far I have 15 pages of typed commentary, range plans re certification by the police, letters of support from the police, letters from all the heighbours in the affected area, results of a noise survey, our own health and safety plan, document of incorporation, notification of acceptance by NZ Pistol Assn; maps showing boundaries, streams and woodland, topographical maps, photos etc etc etc.

The hard part is trying to put them all into a format that will make us non notifiable. The cost to this is $300-600. Council already decided that as we are a "shooting" club that it must be notifiable and it will cost us $3000 deposit with a top end of $10,000. We need to change their minds on this, we have notified all the neighbours and have all their permissions.

[The Pastor]

they have my sympathy.

So far i have 15 pages of typed commentary, range plans re certification by the police, letters of support from the police, letters from all the heighbours in the affected area, results of a noise survey, our own health and safety plan, document of incorporation, notification of acceptance by nz pistol assn; maps showing boundaries, streams and woodland, topographical maps, photos etc etc etc.

The hard part is trying to put them all into a format that will make us non notifiable. The cost to this is $300-600. Council already decided that as we are a "shooting" club that it must be notifiable and it will cost us $3000 deposit with a top end of $10,000. We need to change their minds on this, we have notified all the neighbours and have all their permissions.
bottle of wiskey works wonders

[Mr Merde]

bottle of wiskey works wonders

I would if I could

[The Pastor]

To be honest, i don't really see how you could ever get non notifiable consent. Its a negative stigma that guns have

[Mr Merde]

To be honest, i don't really see how you could ever get non notifiable consent. Its a negative stigma that guns have

One can but live in hope, that ignorance and bigotry are relegated to the darkest confines of the human 'soul" and for once a decision is based upon rational thinking

[The Pastor]

One can but live in hope, that ignorance and bigotry are relegated to the darkest confines of the human 'soul" and for once a decision is based upon rational thinking
Working with councils is a game of how you present the information - maybe a few hours of a planners time would be cheaper than a notified consent process?

[Mr Merde]

Working with councils is a game of how you present the information - maybe a few hours of a planners time would be cheaper than a notified consent process?

There can only be hope

[scumdog]

I take it that for some reason you can't just have 'a few mates over for a shot' and just let the neighbours know you're planning to rip off a few shots?

[Winston001]

I take it that for some reason you can't just have 'a few mates over for a shot' and just let the neighbours know you're planning to rip off a few shots?

Probably could but then formal competitions etc wouldn't be recognised in the sport.

I'm sympathetic but mindful of the reaction of a motorcycling mate of mine. Learning about the expanded speedway plans for Cromwell - quite close to his home, he's got very hot and bothered about noise, dust, traffic etc etc and is objecting strongly. I thought he'd be all in favour...... :eek:

[The Pastor]

if there is earthworks involed chirs, i can look at the plans from a sediment control point of view

[Mr Merde]

I take it that for some reason you can't just have 'a few mates over for a shot' and just let the neighbours know you're planning to rip off a few shots?

This is supposed to be a recognised pistol club, unfortunately pistols can only be used on recognised and authorised ranges.



Probably could but then formal competitions etc wouldn't be recognised in the sport.

I'm sympathetic but mindful of the reaction of a motorcycling mate of mine. Learning about the expanded speedway plans for Cromwell - quite close to his home, he's got very hot and bothered about noise, dust, traffic etc etc and is objecting strongly. I thought he'd be all in favour...... :eek:

Dead right, we intend to hold competitions, corporate days etc. We need all to be in order.

We have written consent from all the neighbours. The farmer has had shotgun competitions there and no one was disturbed by the firing. In fact most dont hear the thing.


if there is earthworks involed chirs, i can look at the plans from a sediment control point of view

We dont have to do any earthworks as we are using pre existing ones from the quarrying that was done.

[The Pastor]

A lady at work is after free feathers from ducks, pheasants, quail, chooks etc for Maori art & craft classes.
They just need to be bagged and she will collect (within reason). So if u get any ducks this season and dont know what to do with the feathers, let me know yeah :D

[Road Warrior]

I am really knackered. Trying to work my way through the RMA in attempt to get consent for our new range.

How do firms ever manage to get things done?

What a minefield of beaurocracy and red tape.

In the words of one Clint Eastwood "a real cluster fuck"

Here in the states if you want to start a range the NRA is your best friend. They have programs in place that show you every problem that will come up. From safety, environmental concerns, how to run the matches, equipment, you name it. The nice thing is, you get your ducks in a row Before you start talking to the bureaucrat's.
I looked into a small indoor underground setting before we built the last building. They were very helpful. I don't know if the same could be said for the NRA in NZ.
Gary

[Mr Merde]

Here in the states if you want to start a range the NRA is your best friend. They have programs in place that show you every problem that will come up. From safety, environmental concerns, how to run the matches, equipment, you name it. The nice thing is, you get your ducks in a row Before you start talking to the bureaucrat's.
I looked into a small indoor underground setting before we built the last building. They were very helpful. I don't know if the same could be said for the NRA in NZ.
Gary

Thanks for the advice Gary,

Our firearms organisations are not as powerful or as helpful as those you have over in the US. Most of ours seem to bend over and take an arse reaming whenever the government requests them to.

Set aside most of this weekend to work on the papaer work.
Have a lot of information from the Ministry for the Environment that should assist me somewhat.

Hopefully I should be able to collate all the information required this week.

As I work for a council the planners here will give my application a "once over" and make suggestions.

Chris

[Road Warrior]

Lots of good info here..about range construction and operation.

http://www.nrahq.org/shootingrange/sourcebook.asp
Gary

[Mr Merde]

Any one seen this months "Guns and Hunting"?

Article how the police have applied to ERMA to force those who reload to obtain licences for the components ie powder

They are trying to class powder as a "dangerous chemical"

Their reasoning was "so as to prevent a 9\11 type" incident.


So buying a lb of powder is next only to flying a modern airliner into the side of a building.

Get the magazine and then lobby your MP.

The police are trying to limit our sport in a roundabout manner. They were actually turned down by the first agency they approached about this.

[Drunken Monkey]

On a more serious note, is anyone else here polishing their firearms and checking their actions too in light of this super flu? My advice is don't wait until it mutates, we all know what happened the last time a super flu mutated (http://www.lostzombies.com/page/the-lost-zombies-timeline).
Anyone have any hand load specs to get that perfect round for stopping the undead?

[Mr Merde]

......Anyone have any hand load specs to get that perfect round for stopping the undead?

A 12 guage solid should stop anything. Or at least remove some major appendages such as heads, arms etc.

Homemade naplam (polystyrene disolved in petrol, to get rid of the evidence.

[Indiana_Jones]

Sawn off side-by-side 12 guage seems to work on Call of duty 5 lol

-Indy

[The Pastor]

If you can get aluminum powder and mix it with rust, it'll burn through anything.

and after you've started your BBQ make sure you stoke it real hot, as you have to kill the zombie virus before you eat it. Other wise your screwd.

[Mr Merde]

Not really the right thread to post this in but this is the only one I post to nowadays.

Sitting here, very red faced and sore.

Bike wouldnt start this morning. Battery low.

Thought I would just roll it down the hill and jump it.

Best laid plans of mice and men

Front wheel hit gravel, bike went over, not going fast but it trapped me under the bike. Couldnt get out from under due to the position I finished up. Had to lift the "incorrect way", using upper body strenght to get it off of me.

Buggered my back doing this. Back pain is something I have lived with for a long time.

Off to hospital to get checked.

[The Pastor]

not good chris, might be time to invest in jumper leads.

hopefully you havnt stuffed ur back mate, good luck.

[Mr Merde]

Back from hospital.

They took x-rays of my whole back.

This time i have only strained and bruised my lumbar region.

Doc showed me the x-rays and informed me that basically by whole back is worn out and in medical terms

"fucked"

He actually advised me that riding bikes is not the best activity for an old bugger such as myself.

Screw them. As long as I am able to lift a leg high enough to straddle a bike I will keep riding.

Sharron reckons she is going to get the bike melted down and made into a rifle.

On anti inflamatory and pain relief tablets. 5 days signed off. Back to work and back onto the bike.

[The Pastor]

maybe you should look into "cooler" bikes, ones that are a bit lower and easier to jump on when ur push starting it?

oh and join you-sillies.

then again you can always trade up to one of these bad boys!

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/06_02/scooter230607_468x401.jpg

Straining and bruising sounds like it might heal, hope it all comes right in the end mate. Might be time to lay off the pies and beer and eat more salads tho eh?;)

[Mr Merde]

Cheeky lad.

[The Pastor]

i reckon it'd go allright with that 1200 engine in it.

[sAsLEX]

Sawn off side-by-side 12 guage seems to work on Call of duty 5 lol

-Indy

What level can you get up to?

[Indiana_Jones]

RM and I got to lvl 18 =D

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

Last week I posted, beit very inarticulately, regarding the attempt by the NZ Police to impose more restrictions upon us as shooters.

This is being done via ERMA as they did make application to the Ministry for the Environment and were turned down.

The gist of the application by the NZ police is to reclassify gunpowder (modern and BP) as a controlled substance and thereby enabling them to require that we shooters have to obtain a licence\permit to produce our own ammunition. They also envisage that we will need to pass courses\exams so as to be able to reload. This will be obviously at a cost to the person applying.

Ammunition in this country has gone up in price 50-100% over the last year and more people are learning to reload their own. This always has been an acceptabler practice but now if ERMA pass this request by the police, there will be stringent restrictions placed upon the shooter.

Another example of control by indirect means.

I know this isnt a political thread but this trend worries me. I shoot up to 300 rounds in a competition and if forced to use factory I would not be able to partake of my sport as this ammount of .44 mag woud cost me approx $500 in ammo alone.

Those persons whose sport involves getting the most accuracyn out of their ammunition nwill also be affected as this invariably means reloading.

This will affect us all. If reloading is severly curtailed then factory ammo will increase in price as they will have a captive market. Those that choose to reload will have more resttrictions placed on them ( at a cost as nothing is free).

Get the latest copy of Guns and Hunting. Read the SSANZ news for yourselves and definitely contact your MP re this issue.

I post this again as no one seemed to notice or reply to the last posting and I feel very strongly about control measures being implimented via sideways or backdoor methods. If they want more controls they should go to Parliament but they know they will loose out by doing so.

Chris

[The Pastor]

its going to be a tough one to defend because on the face of it most people (and MP's) will think control over gunpowder can only be a good thing, not realizing that it will simply raise costs for no additional benefit. When was the last time anything bad happened over buying gunpowder?

One more step towards being like the UK.

[Road Warrior]

Man I hate to see this kind of thinking in your officials. It will be all we can do to retain any rights here in the US in the next 4 years. They cant outright ban without a blood bath...but a tax here, a license there and before you know it you just cant afford it...and thats all they wanted in the first place.
Stay strong down there :2guns:
Gary

[Mr Merde]

Here is the document I refered to earlier.

Appropriate licences and "fit and proper" are mentioned

Meeting is 12th of May 9am to 2:30pm

[Mr Merde]

Just sent this to my MP

"Dear sir,
I wish to draw your attention to the ERMA meeting mentioned in the tittle of this e-mail. (HRC08007)
The NZ Police, failing to get what they wanted from MFE, have approached ERMA with the intent to curtail and limit the legitimate right of firearms users to manufacture their own ammunition.
This is a seripticious attempt at once again circumventing the rule of law and implementing their own agenda.
If passed this will place futher beaurocratic and financial burdens upon a lawful recreational activity. We have enough laws in place now with out the Police department using the"system" to create their own.
If this motion is passed at ERMA, I for one will serriosly be impacted and therefore will treat it as a direct attack upon myself. Therefore if it is passed I will withdraw all support I have given to yourself and your party.
I do not make this statement rashly but enough is enough."

Chris


BTW reading the documents on the ERMA site, the proposed fee for a CSL licence will be $265 with a police check and $245 without.

Renewable every 5 years.

[Wolf]

BTW reading the documents on the ERMA site, the proposed fee for a CSL licence will be $265 with a police check and $245 without.

Renewable every 5 years.
Payable to whom?

$245 or $265 times the number of people who have legitimate grounds to use black powder and/or nitro powder (which is not a small number) every 5 years... bound to add up to a tidy sum for someone.

[Indiana_Jones]

Does one need a firearms licence to buy gunpower to reload?

-Indy

[ManDownUnder]

Just sent this to my MP

"Dear sir,
I wish to draw your attention to the ERMA meeting mentioned in the tittle of this e-mail. (HRC08007)
The NZ Police, failing to get what they wanted from MFE, have approached ERMA with the intent to curtail and limit the legitimate right of firearms users to manufacture their own ammunition.
This is a seripticious attempt at once again circumventing the rule of law and implementing their own agenda.
If passed this will place futher beaurocratic and financial burdens upon a lawful recreational activity. We have enough laws in place now with out the Police department using the"system" to create their own.
If this motion is passed at ERMA, I for one will serriosly be impacted and therefore will treat it as a direct attack upon myself. Therefore if it is passed I will withdraw all support I have given to yourself and your party.
I do not make this statement rashly but enough is enough."

Chris


BTW reading the documents on the ERMA site, the proposed fee for a CSL licence will be $265 with a police check and $245 without.

Renewable every 5 years.

Not arguing the opposite case - but check page 28 of http://www.erma.govt.nz/appfiles/execsumm/pdf/HRC08007-002.pdf
"Substances covered by this application"

Black Powder, Single, Double and Triple base smokeless powder need to be in quantities of 50kg or more. I couldn't make sense of the detonators section to determine if primers are going to be controlled...

That doc is useful too - the last part is the submissions page.

Download it.

Use it.

[Swoop]

Does one need a firearms licence to buy gunpower to reload?

-Indy
No.
You cannot purchase loaded ammunition, but you can purchase all of the components seperately and roll your own.
Only the serious people get involved to this level, so increasing restriction serves little purpose.
A mate with a "loading licence" will be able to buy enough to support a whole group of shooters who reload their own.

Typical remnants of the previous political regime. Making extra rules and regulations to keep themselves "gainfully employed"...:bash:

[ManDownUnder]

Making extra rules and regulations to keep themselves "gainfully employed"...:bash:

Speaking of gameful employment, one of the issues raised in ERMA's paper (in my post above) is the typical cost of replacing someone that would lose their job due to being ineligible for the license.

... I thought that was an interesting perspective considering the economic contraction we're suffering through at the moment. Theyr'e worried about the cost to employers of replacing staff... but I didn't see any mention at all of people losing their livelihood.

On the flip side - how much carnage does the availability of these substances actually cause? I noted before that license will only be needed for amounts of 50kgs or more of single, double or triple base propellant... that's a shitload of propellant!

Dare I say - this could actually be a good thing in some ways?

[Swoop]

Dare I say - this could actually be a good thing in some ways?
I was reading the first part as "the licence holder"... will be able to purchase cyanide, etc as these are also controlled areas.

Imagine. Cyanide, explosives and reloading.
and they want to reduce terrorism?:crazy:

[ManDownUnder]

I was reading the first part as "the licence holder"... will be able to purchase cyanide, etc as these are also controlled areas.

Imagine. Cyanide, explosives and reloading.
and they want to reduce terrorism?:crazy:

Fair call although I expect the license would have classes... one for poisons, one for explosives ... etc...

...surely they're not that dumb...

[Mr Merde]

...
Dare I say - this could actually be a good thing in some ways?

I dont know.

They have found another route, other than going to parliament and having laws put in place or ammended, to restrict the shooting sports.

If this passes it will be a very easy matter to drop the ammounts allowed until it is a real burden to the shooter\reloader.

As to Black Powder. My mates in ther UK have to have a licence to purchase, a licence to store and a licence to transport the stuff.

Thats 3 licences needed on top of the firearms licence.

Do we want to follow down this road?
Do we need more restrictions placed upon us?

In 1996, whilst living in the UK, I saw the police and the government bring in new laws and regulations to inhibit the shooting sports.

They used the method of divide and conquer. All the different disciplines thought that the new regulations were not going to affect them so they didnt bother fighting them. In the end shooting in total took a massive blow and the spoort of pistol shooting almost completely disappeared.

If we dont support the reloaders and stop the encroachment by the police on this activity, who knows what will be next.

All lead bullets banned (dont laugh as this is law in the PRK {Peoples Republic of Kalifornia})

Chris

[Swoop]

...surely they're not that dumb...
You cannot honestly ask that question when referring to our public servants???:whistle:

[ManDownUnder]

If we dont support the reloaders and stop the encroachment by the police on this activity, who knows what will be next.

OK that one I can answer. The black market gets another substance to profit off.

The sad thing is anyone that knows their stuf can make explosives out of damned near anything.

A certain gent who knows about such things brought the point home to me a while back by taking a cursary look in my laundry and kitchen and confirmed he'd be able to level a good part of the house with what he'd just found when combined with other freely available goodies.

What does that tell you? The law abiding get restrictions placed on them which will prevent morons from doing dastardly things. Those in the know will continue to do so, and with the same devastating effect they always have.

Next steps, ban propane bottles, diesel sales, bleech sales... etc. You get the idea.

[Wolf]

They used the method of divide and conquer. All the different disciplines thought that the new regulations were not going to affect them so they didnt bother fighting them. In the end shooting in total took a massive blow and the spoort of pistol shooting almost completely disappeared.
" ...they came first for the Communists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Communist;

And then they came for the trade unionists, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a trade unionist;

And then they came for the Jews, And I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Jew;

And then . . . they came for me . . . And by that time there was no one left to speak up."

[ManDownUnder]

You cannot honestly ask that question when referring to our public servants???:whistle:

I can't... and I didn't. Never under estimate the blindness that unquestioned power induces.

Exhibit A George W Bush
Exhibit B Kim Jong Ill
Exhibit C Mr China (whoever the hell that is)
... etc...

No - I don't underestimate the deformed ability of the grey suits

[Swoop]

A certain gent who knows about such things...
I wonder who that could have been...;)

[ManDownUnder]

I wonder who that could have been...;)

Leave the Marines out of this!

[Indiana_Jones]

Give them an inch and they'll take a foot.

-Indy

[sAsLEX]

No.
You cannot purchase loaded ammunition, but you can purchase all of the components seperately and roll your own.


So would something simple that would appease the stupid public is change tihs so you simply have to produce your firearms license to purchase the powder?




Dare I say - this could actually be a good thing in some ways?

How much gunpowder did Timoth McVeigh use?

[Swoop]

So would something simple that would appease the stupid public is change tihs so you simply have to produce your firearms license to purchase the powder?
I do not think appeasing "the public" or anyone else, is the issue. The public do not care as there isn't an issue for the public servants to get their collective tits in a tangle over.

[Indiana_Jones]

They have found another route, other than going to parliament and having laws put in place or ammended, to restrict the shooting sports.

If this passes it will be a very easy matter to drop the ammounts allowed until it is a real burden to the shooter\reloader.

This is what worries me.

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

..... so you simply have to produce your firearms license to purchase the powder?




...

They are trying to make it that we have to obtain another licence at another cost to ourselves so that we can produce our own ammunition.

They have even used the words "fit and proper" but given no definition of what this means. You may be fit and proper to have a firearms certificate but not to produce your own ammo.

Next there will be security conditions brought in, as has been done in the UK, regulatiing where ans how you must store the components. Or, as in the UK also, how much loaded ammo you are allowed to purchase, produce and hold at any one time.

[The Pastor]

hey lets punish the ordinary hard working kiwi, so that we can afford sky television for our inmates! brilliant idea!

Oh how I hate stupid laws.

Better ban those semi autos too, Far too much crime results from owning a semi auto. Look at David bane.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Question guys, anyone know where I can buy a checkering tool to recut the
checkering on my stock ? Has anyone given this a go before ? Any tips ?

[Wolf]

Question guys, anyone know where I can buy a checkering tool to recut the
checkering on my stock ? Has anyone given this a go before ? Any tips ?
I think Vern Wilson used to stock them when he had his store in Hamilton many years ago, don't know if his store in Te Awamutu has them but you could try giving them a ring - 07-871 5530.

Never got 'round to buying a set (was planning to, the amount of restoration work I was doing) so I never used any but, from what I've read, the secret is to overlap the tool on the bit you've already cut to ensure the lines stay parallel - at least 2 of the blades should be following the last grooves you cut to keep you on track.

Best of luck - restoring the furniture of a firearm is a rewarding experience.

[mctshirt]

I let my licence lapse last year - changed jobs and I'm not interested in shooting shit unless I'm getting paid for it. :zzzz:

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Cheers Wolf:2thumbsup