The firearm thread

[nseagoon]

Dear Gun Afficianados,

Hopefully this year I am finally going to get round to getting my Cat A licence.

Long Term I would like to go for my Cat E (which means 3 Gun)

Mainly I'd like to try medium range (200-400m) target shooting with a Rifle (I'm thining 308/303).

I'd like recommendations on:

1: a good, small, relatively inexpensive (within reason) 2-3 gun safe.
2: Any reputable tradespeople that would bolt said safe to either Concrete or Wooden stud (I could probably do it myself, but I'd rather stick to IT)
3: a good choice for a first Firearm given the above
4: Clubs/Groups/Chur cunts/Other that have access to ranges such as the above and like to go shooting.
5: I may in the future try my hand at hunting deer (I'm partial to Venison) but I don't fancy getting shot by an idiot hunter, nor do I fancy accidentally killing someone else - what are the options for a total beginner (with heaps of FPS experience - cause that shit is like totes transferrable, just need to press the Q key to check if they are friendly or not).

And no Akzle, $5 and a bag of crisps need not apply.

Get a big safe. 10 gun or larger . If you don't you'll regret it especially if you get in to multi gun.
6mm steel certified safe and mount in to a concrete base with 10mm self tapping concrete screws. Takes about 5 minutes to install.
Most people start with the best of intentions of only owning one or two firearms but it rarely happens that way.

As for firearms if you're getting in to sport shooting I'd suggest look at building an AR15 or two. In the mean time pick up a .22 for bunnies and possums and a centrefire rifle.
My pick would be a .308 as ammo is always available at any shop and often in a range of projectile weights.
Remington 700 is my pick as customizing and after market products are pretty common and not too expensive locally but any brand will do.
They're all mauser actions so all relatively similar.
To be competitive and modular in multi gun rifle the majority use an AR15 platform.

Also get a shotgun at some point too.
Again my suggestion is 12 gauge. Gun city 870 are adequate and sometimes not too expensive but if you're serious about competing you'll look at a semi auto.
Mossburg does one that isn't too bad.
And saiga does one based on the Klashnikov action but they're heavy and take a bit of work to set up right.

If going for an endorsement get all your endorsements at once so you only pay the single $200 fee rather than paying the fee multiple times, and going through the application process multiple times.
I'd suggest get pistol and collectors at the same time as MSSA.
sometimes life gets in the way and C can be handy to move your pistols over to that should you have to give up pistol shooting if you run out of money, have kids etc. Because pistol shooters have to shoot 12 times a year minimum.

For clubs look at joining your local pistol or service rifle club or any shooting organisation. Even Deer Stalkers (although DSA doesn't have the greatest safety reputation at the moment)

Chances are a club member if they like your range safety and experience may be willing to bring you on a hunt or go shooting on their farm/land etc.
Basically it's who you know

[scumdog]

in 303 any number of SMLE, war guns, cut downs are avail. many will have the barrels shot out (need replace).
my preference would be the parker hale over mauser. a mosin just for interest.



Most Parker-Hales ARE Mauser actions...of couse the 303s less so.

[Akzle]

Most Parker-Hales ARE Mauser actions...of couse the 303s less so.

did you actually say anything there? i mean, shit. i realise relevancy is hard for you, and my contexts are pretty subtle. but fuck.

to not confuse the uninitiated (TDL)

PH 303:
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K98 Mauser 303:
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mauser based enfield 303:
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my pick remains the parker hale.

[scumdog]

did you actually say anything there? i mean, shit. i realise relevancy is hard for you, and my contexts are pretty subtle. but fuck.

to not confuse the uninitiated (TDL)


my pick remains the parker hale.


Yadda-yadda-yadda...so, did I say anything incorrect? an' know about P14s an shit..

[Akzle]

Yadda-yadda-yadda...so, did I say anything incorrect? an' know about P14s an shit..

theres a difference between incorrect an irrelevant. Somone oughta buy you a dictionary.

When i say "i recommend ph over mauser 303"
you dont need to say "most ph actions are mauser based, except 303"

there. That should save you having to look up irrelevant.

[pritch]

Dear Gun Afficianados,

Hopefully this year I am finally going to get round to getting my Cat A licence.

Long Term I would like to go for my Cat E (which means 3 Gun)



You will need A B C & E endorsements. (The C is there as a backup in case there is a problem with your B and 'cause it won't cost extra, but you shouldn't mention that to the interviewer.)

You're going to need a serious safe to hold all three categories, or two different safes?

I'd like venison too but going anywhere near the bush round Easter with all the once-a-year-hunters from Ponsonby is a definite no no. Anyway I'm too bloody fat to climb the hills... All those bottles of wine had to end up somewhere.

[pritch]

Speaking of Mauser actions? When Lapua designed the 338 Lapua Magnum they did so knowing they could go to full pressure without worrying about any old guns in the calibre. 'Cause there were none. So Kiwi do-it-yer-selfer decides to build a .338LM on a K98 action. And you can't tell them. I tried.

Even more worrying than the dickhead who builds it, is the guy who unknowingly buys the potential grenade off him at some later date.

[Akzle]

Speaking of Mauser actions? When Lapua designed the 338 Lapua Magnum they did so knowing they could go to full pressure without worrying about any old guns in the calibre. 'Cause there were none. So Kiwi do-it-yer-selfer decides to build a .338LM on a K98 action. And you can't tell them. I tried.

Even more worrying than the dickhead who builds it, is the guy who unknowingly buys the potential grenade off him at some later date.

and -actual- k98? Cos that would be fucking stupid.
Not that they're weak, and the bolt lugs have a fair contact patch, but a hot 338 has a fair bit of poke, too. Rather not try my chances at wearing a bolt in the face.

[jasonu]

Lot of money to spend for a rifle that duplicates a old 7.62x39 AK/SK?

Less than $700 all in and far from an AK replica.

[jasonu]

Taking care of vermin Merican style.
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[Brian d marge]

Does a samick sage #60 @28inch using read cedar arrows fit in this thread ... just bought some river cane ..gone all caveman like ..knapped glass arrow head and fkknows what feathers

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[pritch]

Does a samick sage #60 @28inch using read cedar arrows fit in this thread ... just bought some river cane ..gone all caveman like ..knapped glass arrow head and fkknows what feathers

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Dunno if it qualifies as a firearm but it qualifies as interesting. Firearms ownership is problematic in Japan I understand but least you'll have somthing to talk to Casey Stoner about in the unlikely event you happen to bump into him. Although his bow is a mass of pulleys.

Have fun.

[Brian d marge]

Dunno if it qualifies as a firearm but it qualifies as interesting. Firearms ownership is problematic in Japan I understand but least you'll have something to talk to Casey Stoner about in the unlikely event you happen to bump into him. Although his bow is a mass of pulleys.

Have fun.

in a nut shell , you need to have a license , they fail you once or twice , then u own a shotgun for 5 yrs I think then you go on to a rifle . you must account every bullet , shell.

and then you must renew every year I think .....

Read shitting expensive .....

but I much prefer my Bow ...

[TheDemonLord]

in a nut shell , you need to have a license , they fail you once or twice , then u own a shotgun for 5 yrs I think then you go on to a rifle . you must account every bullet , shell.

and then you must renew every year I think .....

Read shitting expensive .....

but I much prefer my Bow ...

What poundage is the Draw Weight?

Every once in a while I think I should take up Archery (English Long Bow mmmmmmm) - but I already have enough expensive hobbies.

[Akzle]

What poundage is the Draw Weight?

Every once in a while I think I should take up Archery (English Long Bow mmmmmmm) - but I already have enough expensive hobbies.


Does a samick sage #60 @28inch using read cedar arrows fit in this thread ... just bought some river cane ..gone all caveman like ..knapped glass arrow head and fkknows what feathers

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learn england, tool.

also, if you want to make a stickbow, go and fucking make one, they're easy as shit. archery need not be expensive

30#, 6" brace, 5' length with a 30" draw.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=322917&stc=1&d=1468018335

[ellipsis]

What poundage is the Draw Weight?

Every once in a while I think I should take up Archery (English Long Bow mmmmmmm) - but I already have enough expensive hobbies.


...a 45lb pull on a recurve novice/starters bow is body fucking stuff even after a half tournament...hanging off a 90lb bit of 'olde english' yew is a feat...

[TheDemonLord]

...a 45lb pull on a recurve novice/starters bow is body fucking stuff even after a half tournament...hanging off a 90lb bit of 'olde english' yew is a feat...

and then you read of the 180, 200+ lb ones they had on the Mary Rose.

Beasts.

And to Azkle - I missed that I always think # as either a number or a Sharp.

[pritch]

in a nut shell , you need to have a license , they fail you once or twice , then u own a shotgun for 5 yrs I think then you go on to a rifle . you must account every bullet , shell.

and then you must renew every year I think .....

Read shitting expensive .....



I understood that you needed to be wealthy. I was at a dinner once seated at the same table as the Japanese team. They had an interpreter but she was sitting among the women, so I'm sitting opposite Japanese gents and communication was limited. In those days I knew some sumo names so I reeled those off and the guy opposite smiled and mimed throwing salt etc and told his mate what had just transpired, but that was as far as we got.

Did see one of them getting ready to compete, a woman was getting him into full traditional samarai regalia.

[Akzle]

and then you read of the 180, 200+ lb ones they had on the Mary Rose.

Beasts.


with a 6ft stick and a 5ft draw. and consider the average pom was about 4'11"...

[Akzle]

https://www.loc.gov/law/help/firearms-control/japan.php

[Brian d marge]

learn england, tool.

also, if you want to make a stickbow, go and fucking make one, they're easy as shit. archery need not be expensive

30#, 6" brace, 5' length with a 30" draw.



30 pounds , I get more in me Giro than that ...

ps,
Im as lazy as fk , Though I do like the sound of a manly thwack when one of me wooden arrow hit something , not like the gay faggotty carbon

[Brian d marge]

and then you read of the 180, 200+ lb ones they had on the Mary Rose.

Beasts.

And to Azkle - I missed that I always think # as either a number or a Sharp.
Absolutely.. Robin Hood must have been a gorilla... maid Marion love being had by gorillas

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[Brian d marge]

What poundage is the Draw Weight?

Every once in a while I think I should take up Archery (English Long Bow mmmmmmm) - but I already have enough expensive hobbies.
Mine is #60 pound at 28 inch 66 length
3 hours shooting is a work out

It's not an expensive hobby ... there is a guy up north. TOA archery makes some nice hand made long bows 650 nz dollars beautiful bit of kit

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[TheDemonLord]

First ever chance to go to a Range, Thanks to a very Awesome KB member - Shots were taken at 25m, with Iron Sights, using a Lee-Enfield.

Pretty stoked with my Groupings TBH

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[Akzle]

First ever chance to go to a Range, Thanks to a very Awesome KB member - Shots were taken at 25m, with Iron Sights, using a Lee-Enfield.

Pretty stoked with my Groupings TBH



mwahahahaha. pretty average at only 25 dog. assume you've worked out which your dominant eye actually is...
you should be printing those at 100.
practice practice...

[yokel]

First ever chance to go to a Range, Thanks to a very Awesome KB member - Shots were taken at 25m, with Iron Sights, using a Lee-Enfield.

Pretty stoked with my Groupings TBH

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I imagine this was how it went.

Am I right or am I right?

Haha get there a killed enemy!

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[TheDemonLord]

I imagine this was how it went.

Am I right or am I right?

Haha get there a killed enemy!

I'll give you a clue:

You are almost never right....

[pritch]

First ever chance to go to a Range, Thanks to a very Awesome KB member - Shots were taken at 25m, with Iron Sights, using a Lee-Enfield.



Don't feel down at the underwhelming response. That's OK for a first time and first time with a centrefire cartridge.

If Marc Marquez was on KB there'd be other KBers queueing to tell him what he was doing wrong.

[Akzle]

Don't feel down at the underwhelming response. That's OK for a first time and first time with a centrefire cartridge.
yeah maybe.
...from standing
....snap shooting
.....balancing on one foot
......with one hand tied behind his back


If Marc Marquez was on KB there'd be other KBers queueing to tell him what he was doing wrong.

only with the intent of making it better... :innocent:

[TheDemonLord]

Don't feel down at the underwhelming response. That's OK for a first time and first time with a centrefire cartridge.

If Marc Marquez was on KB there'd be other KBers queueing to tell him what he was doing wrong.

I'm happy that all my shots were in the target, and most were in the Black - considering I had visions of a shotgun-esque grouping.

[Brian d marge]

I'm happy that all my shots were in the target, and most were in the Black - considering I had visions of a shotgun-esque grouping.
Hope he is ok

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[TheDemonLord]

Hope he is ok

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You are a terrible person for that joke....






And I'm even worse for laughing so hard at it.

[Brian d marge]

You are a terrible person for that joke....






And I'm even worse for laughing so hard at it.
I'm not good at political correctness
My bad sorry

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[scumdog]

Don't feel down at the underwhelming response. That's OK for a first time and first time with a centrefire cartridge.

If Marc Marquez was on KB there'd be other KBers queueing to tell him what he was doing wrong.


My thought too Pritch, KB is full on types who think they're Simo Hayna...

[TheDemonLord]

MSC coursr booked :D

[Akzle]

MSC coursr booked :D

i'd be fucken interested to see if they've changed any. back when i thought licensing wasn't optional, basically turned up, he asked me if i thought i'd pass, i said yup, so we checked out his gun collection and talked shit for 45mins then did the test.

100%. not that it's hard.

[Brian d marge]

Fk even the test for the archery club here is more difficult ... 240 points with 30 odd arrows ..at 30 m ..that like 6 average

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[seattle smitty]

I got off a funny last night. I frequently have dinner at a local McDonalds while mooching off their WiFi with my laptop. There's a regular group of six to nine individuals, all twenty-somethings, Christians who sit around one of the big round tables and read Bible passages to each other, with breaks for ordinary socializing. After they and I had recognized each other as regulars, we got acquainted. I'm an atheist, so I regularly gig them about "brainwashing" each other, and of course they come right back at me, all good-natured.

So last night, during a lull in their earnest mutual indoctrination, one of them starts talking about, of all things, handguns, and the merits of various makes and models. I had passed him as he held forth on Glocks and Colts while I went for a coffee re-fill. I came back and stood listening for a bit, and when he paused, I asked, in all apparent innocence:

"Soooo, which of those pieces would Jesus carry??"

He stammered a little, but the rest of them laughed.

[Brian d marge]

I got off a funny last night. I frequently have dinner at a local McDonalds while mooching off their WiFi with my laptop. There's a regular group of six to nine individuals, all twenty-somethings, Christians who sit around one of the big round tables and read Bible passages to each other, with breaks for ordinary socializing. After they and I had recognized each other as regulars, we got acquainted. I'm an atheist, so I regularly gig them about "brainwashing" each other, and of course they come right back at me, all good-natured.

So last night, during a lull in their earnest mutual indoctrination, one of them starts talking about, of all things, handguns, and the merits of various makes and models. I had passed him as he held forth on Glocks and Colts while I went for a coffee re-fill. I came back and stood listening for a bit, and when he paused, I asked, in all apparent innocence:

"Soooo, which of those pieces would Jesus carry??"

He stammered a little, but the rest of them laughed.
Webster Tarpley .....that should cure em

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[seattle smitty]

Well, somebody was asking, "So what WOULD Jesus carry?," so I gave it some thought. Those who claim to know tell us that when Jesus comes back He will have to deal with some real bad actors, so He won't fool around. After all, when He cleared the money-changers out of the Temple, they wouldn't have been impressed by one man until He laid them out with his spinning back-kicks and liver strikes. So I'm thinking when He shows up again He will have two guns holstered like the Lone Ranger, and not Colt .45s but more like what Dirty Harry carried, so when He puts the laser dots squarely on the foreheads of Og and Magog, He will say, "Do you feel lucky, punks?," before He blows their heads clean off.

[Akzle]

Well, somebody was asking, "So what WOULD Jesus carry?," so I gave it some thought. Those who claim to know tell us that when Jesus comes back He will have to deal with some real bad actors, so He won't fool around. After all, when He cleared the money-changers out of the Temple, they wouldn't have been impressed by one man until He laid them out with his spinning back-kicks and liver strikes. So I'm thinking when He shows up again He will have two guns holstered like the Lone Ranger, and not Colt .45s but more like what Dirty Harry carried, so when He puts the laser dots squarely on the foreheads of Og and Magog, He will say, "Do you feel lucky, punks?," before He blows their heads clean off.

http://images4.static-bluray.com/reviews/4432_3.jpg

[Akzle]

and clinto was carrying colt 45s.
1851 navys if memory serves.

[Brian d marge]

Well, somebody was asking, "So what WOULD Jesus carry?," so I gave it some thought. Those who claim to know tell us that when Jesus comes back He will have to deal with some real bad actors, so He won't fool around. After all, when He cleared the money-changers out of the Temple, they wouldn't have been impressed by one man until He laid them out with his spinning back-kicks and liver strikes. So I'm thinking when He shows up again He will have two guns holstered like the Lone Ranger, and not Colt .45s but more like what Dirty Harry carried, so when He puts the laser dots squarely on the foreheads of Og and Magog, He will say, "Do you feel lucky, punks?," before He blows their heads clean off.
Umarmed combat , jewjitsu

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[5ive]

Umarmed combat , jewjitsu


Sounds like hard work, with a low calorie diet, and lots of training.

[Brian d marge]

Sounds like hard work, with a low calorie diet, and lots of training.

lots of fish and wine

[TheDemonLord]

lots of fish and wine

And Loaves.....

[Brian d marge]

And Loaves.....

could have been cakes ...I mean it does, grow wild there !

[pritch]

Saw this and liked it.324111

[Swoop]

Saw this and liked it.324111
That lower receiver is only "No-pew" and "Pew"...

[Brian d marge]

Just off to spend the day shooting ... Great hobby ...

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[yokel]

Someone buy my choice as air rifle.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hunting-shooting/air-guns-parts/air-rifles/auction-1149089461.htm

[Akzle]

Someone buy my choice as air rifle.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/sports/hunting-shooting/air-guns-parts/air-rifles/auction-1149089461.htm

a) no go fuck yourself
b) it's only. 177. just buy a better stock gun and you'll get those numbers easily

[jasonu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCppmoZiXUY

[Brian d marge]

https://www.amazon.co.jp/gp/aw/d/B00I8ZRH9G/ref=pd_aw_sim_sbs_21_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=TV3G8YFW15QZNV1WV89Z

What could possibly go wrong... It's airsoft. Btw

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[jasonu]

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11724754

[pritch]

A hysterical response by the neighbours, and to an extent the paper. If shooting is a permitted activity under the rural zoning, as is common, no notifications are required. There's no "secret".

Still, if the neighbours have the resources to lawyer up the tears could flow.

[oldrider]

Would like to see a bit more on this baby: https://twitter.com/beforeitsnews/status/810288929203228672?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjc18y&refsrc=email& Cool. :cool:

[Swoop]

Would like to see a bit more on this baby: https://twitter.com/beforeitsnews/status/810288929203228672?t=1&cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjc18y&refsrc=email& Cool. :cool:

Just an updated version of the AR-7. https://www.henryrifles.com/rifles/u-s-survival-ar-7/
The stock is meant to float too.

The main problem is where the barrel slides into the receiver as after time the fit becomes sloppy and the accuracy gets considerably worse.
There are better takedown options out there now.

[Brian d marge]

Buy me some more arrows ya bastards , Santa's coming and the fker will be into me sherry...

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[pritch]

Just an updated version of the AR-7. https://www.henryrifles.com/rifles/u-s-survival-ar-7/
The stock is meant to float too.

The main problem is where the barrel slides into the receiver as after time the fit becomes sloppy and the accuracy gets considerably worse.
There are better takedown options out there now.

That appears to be an updated model of the Charter Arms .22 which was around for eons. Wear wouldn't have been a problem often because the intended use was as a survival rifle which would mean it was just stored permanently in a Cessna or whatever.

It's many years since I looked but the Police here regarded them with suspicion due to the short length when "packed". Hard to imagine a bank robber haulling one out in a bank and starting to assemble it while he announced a stick up.

[The Pastor]

308 marlin mxlr, stainless, laminate, 3-9x scope, fired less than 100 rounds, heavy trigger - $900
3030 marlin lever -$200
22 norinco -$200
12ga single pump lead - $200
12ga side by side take down lead -$200

Selling my guns, PM for deets - all legal you will need the required paperwork, i will need to sight your licence etc.

[Akzle]

308 marlin mxlr, stainless, laminate, 3-9x scope, fired less than 100 rounds, heavy trigger - $900
3030 marlin lever -$200
22 norinco -$200
12ga single pump lead - $200
12ga side by side take down lead -$200

Selling my guns, PM for deets - all legal you will need the required paperwork, i will need to sight your licence etc.

i'll see your offer and counter with: i'll take the .22 and the shotties. no license.

[scumdog]

i'll see your offer and counter with: i'll take the .22 and the shotties. no license.

Big spender...:whistle:

[Brian d marge]

Have been testing a lot of digital devices , for when the shtf scenario. So far not looking good https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170117/ad2a94154071f838af9a37b15ae402f4.jpg
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And a cabbage,
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I also tested a sony bio laptop but that too was useless


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[Akzle]

should mention i'll give you the requested amount of jewgold for them. and maybe some ilegal drugs if you're keen.

[Kickaha]

It's been a while since I shot any kind of firearm but I got an invitation to try some pistols from an employee who competes in pistol shooting and also instructs on various courses

Tried a
9mm Glock
9mm CZ
.45 8 shot 1911
.45 12 shot 1911
.38 Super

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Didn't like the Glock, the CZ and 8 shot 1911 felt the best, the .38 Super was the worst to use, heaviest and most recoil and the red dot sight seemed to have a mind of it's own

[Akzle]

It's been a while since I shot any kind of firearm but I got an invitation to try some pistols from an employee who competes in pistol shooting and also instructs on various coures

Tried a
9mm Glock
9mm CZ
.45 8 shot 1911
.45 12 shot 1911
.38 Super

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Didn't like the Glock, the CZ and 8 shot 1911 felt the best, the .38 Super was the worst to use, heaviest and most recoil and the red dot sight seemed to have a mind of it's own

what brand were the 1911s? certainly a nice platform to shoot. ironically, the colts are probably the shytest of them.

and 45 is just fun all day.

red dots take a bit of getting used to. that "where the dot is where the impact" is horseshit and they're parallaxed as, ime.

[Kickaha]

what brand were the 1911s?
I'm not sure what brand they were, the 8 shot was nicer to handle as the double stack magazine in the other one makes the grip wider and I didn't find it as nice to hold

[Swoop]

red dots take a bit of getting used to. that "where the dot is where the impact" is horseshit and they're parallaxed as, ime.

Red dot. The pro point 4 is parallaxed but the 3 isn't. Just put the dot on the target and squeeze = hit.
Yup. Colts are some of the worst. Weird, eh!

[Akzle]

I'm not sure what brand they were, the 8 shot was nicer to handle as the double stack magazine in the other one makes the grip wider and I didn't find it as nice to hold

yeah. rather an extendy mag than a fat one, if you dont need to draw it. don'tKnow that i've shot a 45 twinstack.

m0ar bullets is always better. balance lasts a bit longer too.

[Brian d marge]

It's been a while since I shot any kind of firearm but I got an invitation to try some pistols from an employee who competes in pistol shooting and also instructs on various coures

Tried a
9mm Glock
9mm CZ
.45 8 shot 1911
.45 12 shot 1911
.38 Super

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Didn't like the Glock, the CZ and 8 shot 1911 felt the best, the .38 Super was the worst to use, heaviest and most recoil and the red dot sight seemed to have a mind of it's own
Oh...."From" , not "on" I might have read that post incorrectly.


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[Brian d marge]

On the weaponry front, I've started making my own arrows from scratch.
What a learning curve. ...Forget watching u lube and thinking it's easy. ..After reducing most of the Amazon rain forest to shavings I have 15 straight and correctly spined shafts of heart cedar
I know what I'm doing now so ,,,one hopes from now on I should have enough ammunition to deal with the great unwashed

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[awayatc]

Funny to hear people spout such outrageous drivel about a subject they know shit about...

[Brian d marge]

Funny to hear people spout such outrageous drivel about a subject they know shit about...
Expert in the house , run away run away....

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[Akzle]

Funny to hear people spout such outrageous drivel about a subject they know shit about...

welcome to kb...

[Swoop]

1911 single Vs double stack.
There isn't really much difference in grip width. Someone with a smaller hand would probably notice the difference though.
Dunno why Para Ordnance have "issues" with reliability though. A few mates have had problems with them.

[Kickaha]

1911 single Vs double stack.
There isn't really much difference in grip width. Someone with a smaller hand would probably notice the difference though.

There was enough of a difference that the singlestack felt better to hold and my hands aren't small

I'll probably be having another go in about a month, I'll see what I think then

[jasonu]

1911 single Vs double stack.
There isn't really much difference in grip width. Someone with a smaller hand would probably notice the difference though.
Dunno why Para Ordnance have "issues" with reliability though. A few mates have had problems with them.

It doesn't take much to significantly change the feel of a hand gun.

[Brian d marge]

It doesn't take much to significantly change the feel of a hand gun.
I bet u say that to all the young girls

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[Swoop]

There was enough of a difference that the singlestack felt better to hold and my hands aren't small

I'll probably be having another go in about a month, I'll see what I think then

I'll agree with the single stack. Much nicer.

[jasonu]

I bet u say that to all the young girls

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcYppAs6ZdI

[pritch]

Some comments in another thread reminded me that I spent a few days shooting in Holland. Y'all will likely be aware that there's a serious shortage of hills suitable for backstops in Holland. What they do is build a series of walls every 50 or 100m from the firing line out. These walls maybe 20mm thick, have openings perhaps a couple metres square and a metre and a half above the ground at intervals along the length.

Shooters wishing to shoot from the prone position lie on tables in line with their "window" at the firing line. If the shot is true it passes through all of the windows to the target. If the shot is "off", it starts whacking into a succession of walls out to about 1000m. If the bullet doesn't actually stop it'll be seriously slowed.

Interesting way of dealing with a problem, and one which may become relevant in other places due to increasing urbanisation.

None of this concerned me directly though as a less threatening pistol shooter. :whistle:

[Akzle]

Some comments in another thread reminded me that I spent a few days shooting in Holland. Y'all will likely be aware that there's a serious shortage of hills suitable for backstops in Holland. What they do is build a series of walls every 50 or 100m from the firing line out. These walls maybe 20mm thick, have openings perhaps a couple metres square and a metre and a half above the ground at intervals along the length.

Shooters wishing to shoot from the prone position lie on tables in line with their "window" at the firing line. If the shot is true it passes through all of the windows to the target. If the shot is "off", it starts whacking into a succession of walls out to about 1000m. If the bullet doesn't actually stop it'll be seriously slowed.

Interesting way of dealing with a problem, and one which may become relevant in other places due to increasing urbanisation.

None of this concerned me directly though as a less threatening pistol shooter. :whistle:

length of subteranean pipe'd do. innit. townies dont need long arms anyhow.

[pritch]

length of subteranean pipe'd do. innit. townies dont need long arms anyhow.

Multiple 1000m pipes? The range I was describing was primarily for miltary use. Civilians were presumably tolerated on weekends.

[Brian d marge]

20 m from the upstairs toilet along the hall into the spare bedroom,
#60 and home made cedar arrows

Works for me in all weathers

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[Akzle]

20 m from the upstairs toilet along the hall into the spare bedroom,
#60 and home made cedar arrows

Works for me in all weathers

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yeah but... me .22 will clock you at 100 yds...

[Brian d marge]

yeah but... me .22 will clock you at 100 yds...
Never happen

I've watched too many " first blood" movies to know

Recurve beats machine gun ,and even helicopters any day



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[pritch]

Yeah I had two 10m airpistol ranges in my house, one used for practice. The other I used as a test range: bullet catcher on the lavatory, pistol locked in a Black and Decker Workmate in the kitchen.

On reflection I'm uneasy about the amount of lead I may have been distributing about the house. I stopped casting my own bullets because of the same concern about lead.

No such problems with arrows.

[Brian d marge]

Yeah I had two 10m airpistol ranges in my house, one used for practice. The other I used as a test range: bullet catcher on the lavatory, pistol locked in a Black and Decker Workmate in the kitchen.

On reflection I'm uneasy about the amount of lead I may have been distributing about the house. I stopped casting my own bullets because of the same concern about lead.

No such problems with arrows.
I'm thinking about a you tube channel
#60 samick recurve testing the latest tech

I mean , we have all read those bullshit reports on sports bike.con

But does Valentinos Yamaha really stand up to a samick

Does an ifone 10 really work after being hit at 30 m

Bored at work and just want to shoot things


Please let me know what you would like shot



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[Akzle]

Please let me know what you would like shot


weeeeeheheeheeeee-eeellllllllll

[Brian d marge]

weeeeeheheeheeeee-eeellllllllll
I'm bored and half pissed , you should have paid more money for ur motorcycle and then they would have employed a sober monkey

Now , in order to relieve this boredom

I would like to either shag the two young fillies in the entrance area

B, randomly shoot retards that use oxygen

Or watch Dr goldfoot and the bikini machine , great movie!

While trying to get this plastic bag out of this box .. there is at least a glass in there

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[Pickle]

Just wondering what lights people use at night, mainly looking at rifle/scope mounted??. I currently use a LED Lensor M7R torch mounted to my scope good for anything up to 200metres. Have shot pigs & foxes with this set up with a 17HMR rifle & a 223

[Akzle]

Just wondering what lights people use at night, mainly looking at rifle/scope mounted??. I currently use a LED Lensor M7R torch mounted to my scope good for anything up to 200metres. Have shot pigs & foxes with this set up with a 17HMR rifle & a 223

used to have a 125mm halogen mounted on top of scope. best lamping setup if you're shooting lots off a quad and dont have to cross fences or get in/out of vehicles or carry it anywhere ever.

tried little "tacticool" torch and laser combos scope mounted, not worth the time.
My eyes aint what they used to be (too much of that will do it to ya) so i find led pretty shit. that said, most of my spotlighting is. 22 ranges and i use an 18v pistol grip inspection torch.
handy not having to point your rifle everywhere you want lit up especially out of a moving vehicle

[Pickle]

I use a headlamp as well, pain in the arse only being able to see where you point the rifle - miss seeing to much

[JimO]

new to shootin things but bought a Beretta pistol bb gun for xmas and just bought a air rifle, probably get a 50cal next, one of my boys is a armorer in the army so im shure he can hook me up

[Akzle]

new to shootin things but bought a Beretta pistol bb gun for xmas and just bought a air rifle, probably get a 50cal next, one of my boys is a armorer in the army so im shure he can hook me up

hook us up da mean score au bro cuz G

[Akzle]

I use a headlamp as well, pain in the arse only being able to see where you point the rifle - miss seeing to much

i have an el cheapo flood/spot headlamp. cree led. i suppose as long as it's forward of where your eye hooks up to the scope it's ok. generally prefer not to shoot with em though

[Akzle]

:

WTB: skinny bitch scope.
think 4x20, 3x15, 1-5x18 kind of thing. not the 20$ guncity shitters.
ww1 enfield kind of shit.

will even trade you jewgolds for it. but not a lot cos mates rates and shit :D

also, strangely still, i'm after an aperture set, or at least rear.

[Brian d marge]

:

WTB: skinny bitch scope.
think 4x20, 3x15, 1-5x18 kind of thing. not the 20$ guncity shitters.
ww1 enfield kind of shit.

will even trade you jewgolds for it. but not a lot cos mates rates and shit :D

also, strangely still, i'm after an aperture set, or at least rear.

I have a spare set of specsavers, +6.5 with coated lenses you can borrow if you want:2thumbsup

[Akzle]

I have a spare set of specsavers, +6.5 with coated lenses you can borrow if you want:2thumbsup

they'd probably look a bit shit screwed on top of me gun though.

[TheDemonLord]

Gave the Firearms officer a prod today and they confirmed that my application has been granted and the licence is on it's way.

Now, I need to buy a Rocking chair and a spitoon.

[Brian d marge]

Gave the Firearms officer a prod today and they confirmed that my application has been granted and the licence is on it's way.

Now, I need to buy a Rocking chair and a spitoon.
Deliverance ......

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[Akzle]

Gave the Firearms officer a prod today and they confirmed that my application has been granted and the licence is on it's way.

Now, I need to buy a Rocking chair and a spitoon.

been shooting a bit of shotgun recently. forgot how much i enjoyed it. know a guy with a beautiful, beautiful sbs london 12 bore. and nothing says "business" like the sharp end of a double barrel.
prospective boyfriends... bahahahaha

[TheDemonLord]

been shooting a bit of shotgun recently. forgot how much i enjoyed it. know a guy with a beautiful, beautiful sbs london 12 bore. and nothing says "business" like the sharp end of a double barrel.
prospective boyfriends... bahahahaha

That's why in 5 years time I'm going to go for my Cat-E.

"You will be bringing my Daughter home by 8:30. Not 8:31, not 8:32, but 8:30"

[Akzle]

That's why in 5 years time I'm going to go for my Cat-E.

"You will be bringing my Daughter home by 8:30. Not 8:31, not 8:32, but 8:30"

well if you cant hit em with the first load of shot, the next 28 wont do you much better...
and unless you're a real animal, i'l assume you mean 2030.
:bleh:

[TheDemonLord]

The agony of choice

The rifle I lust after, but probably can't justify the cost and sneak it passed the missus (https://www.guncity.com/308-hk-mr-308-f-float-13-a-cat-330777)

It's for rabbit hunting Officer. Rabbit Hunting? Yes - it skins them and minces them automatically (https://www.guncity.com/50cal-barrett-m107a1-synthetic-320069)

Realistically - a 308 semi-auto that I can afford, plus I can tell the Wife it's on special! (https://www.guncity.com/308-dpms-ar-10-16-m3-m4-forend-303713)

Thoughts, comments, opinions?

[Brian d marge]

The agony of choice

The rifle I lust after, but probably can't justify the cost and sneak it passed the missus (https://www.guncity.com/308-hk-mr-308-f-float-13-a-cat-330777)

It's for rabbit hunting Officer. Rabbit Hunting? Yes - it skins them and minces them automatically (https://www.guncity.com/50cal-barrett-m107a1-synthetic-320069)

Realistically - a 308 semi-auto that I can afford, plus I can tell the Wife it's on special! (https://www.guncity.com/308-dpms-ar-10-16-m3-m4-forend-303713)

Thoughts, comments, opinions?
Depends how long the shouting lasts , with enough beer stockpiled in the garage , your room , a week?
Then it all goes quiet , bonus!
I would bite the bullet and hunker down for a week or two

P.s I also give relationship​ advice


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[nseagoon]

Why H&K?
Nothing wrong with them except price and Gun City daylight robbery on top of that.
But other platforms are not only lighter but some have some interchangable parts with AR15 platforms meaning cheaper, better quality and more options available to yourself as a consumer.

My suggestion is try another supplier.
NZRAC, NZAR15.com and perhaps even gunsnz.
I'm pretty sure they're sold out at the moment but they can order in for you.
But their prices would probably be 1/3 of Gun City and you'd be able to drop a pretty decent optic on it for the difference

[Swoop]

...and Gun City daylight robbery on top of that.

My suggestion is try another supplier. But their prices would probably be 1/3 of Gun City and you'd be able to drop a pretty decent optic on it for the difference

^^^ What Mr Goon says.
Gun shitty are ripoff merchants. Try the options he mentions and also Reloader's Supplies.

[TheDemonLord]

Why H&K?

In short - I've heard nothing but praises for the HK 417 and the MR308 is the civillian version of it - plus it looks cool.

Will check out the other places - if what you say is true - then would be awesome

[Akzle]

pesumably you've fired AR platform type weapons? and are satisfied with the ergonomics and handling? next is to use them in the situations you'll be using them in: vaulting fences, slung on your back, on a quad bike/horse...

or you just buying tacti-cool?

308 is excessive for... well pretty much everything actually. unless you want to shoot big deer at 1200y, then walk to collect them...
and 16" isn't enough to stabilise big boolits, so you'd need a fast twist, which limits you to little boolits, which defeats the point of a 308 imo.

any of the 20 cals would do, with 22-250 being my pick if you actually want to rabbit at range. and 222 or 243 as a good all rounder.
also dont discount the 7.62x39 for hours and hours of cheap hilarious drunken plinking your cunt faced neighbou//

so yeah. options, and 308 isnt your best one townie.
also sl8 from hk. much more nom than ar.

6mmbr.com , see how far little pills go...

[TheDemonLord]

pesumably you've fired AR platform type weapons? and are satisfied with the ergonomics and handling? next is to use them in the situations you'll be using them in: vaulting fences, slung on your back, on a quad bike/horse...

or you just buying tacti-cool?

308 is excessive for... well pretty much everything actually. unless you want to shoot big deer at 1200y, then walk to collect them...
and 16" isn't enough to stabilise big boolits, so you'd need a fast twist, which limits you to little boolits, which defeats the point of a 308 imo.

any of the 20 cals would do, with 22-250 being my pick if you actually want to rabbit at range. and 222 or 243 as a good all rounder.
also dont discount the 7.62x39 for hours and hours of cheap hilarious drunken plinking your cunt faced neighbou//

so yeah. options, and 308 isnt your best one townie.
also sl8 from hk. much more nom than ar.

6mmbr.com , see how far little pills go...

In regards to the AR platform - no, I've not shot one, but it's regularly listed as a very popular rifle, versatile, reliable etc. etc. and the aftermarket parts selection is huuuuuuge so if I don't like xyz about it, I can change it.

Reading up on opinions of .223 vs .308 for deer hunting (and my god - it's as bad as AK vs AR opinions) - there are some that say they would only hunt with a .308, some that say they regularly hunt and kill with .223, others that state it's perfectly possible to hunt with a .223 for bigger game, but they prefer .308 for extra stopping power, OHK etc.

Based on that - it seems to me that .223 = maybe, whilst .308 = definitely - hence my choice for a .308.

That all said, I'd be lying if I said that tacti-cool wasn't a factor in my buying decision.

The SL8 is rather Smexy, I'll give you that.

[Brian d marge]

1200 yrds,. Try 20, if I'm lucky

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[jasonu]

The agony of choice



Thoughts, comments, opinions?

Pricey....

[pritch]

Based on that - it seems to me that .223 = maybe, whilst .308 = definitely - hence my choice for a .308.
.

I haven't hunted deer but have talked to guys who used to be professional cullers. Most used 303, some of them used 22cf, but they had dogs. They were of the view that if you were hunting reds without dogs you should use 308 or similar.

When I decide to sell off what I have here I'd like to buy a toy, say a carbine in 45 or maybe even 357, but the quality of the cheap ones is suspect and I don't need an exercise in frustration thanks.

[Akzle]

shot placement is king. consider that cullers used. 22 hornet and 222 sako (beautiful guns and sweeeeeeeeeet caliber) back in the day.

i find ar fun to shoot, good for cq. but for offhand, and quick shots on the paddock, trad stocks win. probably by habit as much as training.

yes ar is a pick n mix thing.
there's also plenty of people who wave the flag for windows.

308 can trauma a lot of meat if you're not clever. and is basically overgunned for anything in nz, inside 1000y. and since most deer are shot at sub 200...

semi with gas tube < bolty
.every day of the week. you're not in fucken baghdad.

also cheaper to shoot 20 than 30. but fiddlier to reload.

all things to consider.

[nseagoon]

To slightly offset whats said above i use black rifles exclusively as it's cheaper to have an all rounder compromise for both hunting and sport shooting.

My AR shoots sub MOA, i reload 60grain projectiles for hunting anything including red deer up to 200m with the optics i use.
Sport shooting is sub MOA with mil 62 grain or 1.5 with 55 grain.

With a 16" barrel and suppressor and full length handguard, 30 round mag loaded with 5 rounds, with brass catcher is
lighter and shorter to handle in the bush than a mates T3 synthetic and has zero recoil to boot.

The deflector means one can shoot off handed if need be and you're not charged an arm and a leg by beretta nz if you need new or replacment parts.

I do have heavier and lighter calibres but they generally don't see the light of day too much now. Even though it's a compromise the setup isn't a bad all rounder.

[old slider]

In regards to the AR platform - no, I've not shot one, but it's regularly listed as a very popular rifle, versatile, reliable etc. etc. and the aftermarket parts selection is huuuuuuge so if I don't like xyz about it, I can change it.

Reading up on opinions of .223 vs .308 for deer hunting (and my god - it's as bad as AK vs AR opinions) - there are some that say they would only hunt with a .308, some that say they regularly hunt and kill with .223, others that state it's perfectly possible to hunt with a .223 for bigger game, but they prefer .308 for extra stopping power, OHK etc.

Based on that - it seems to me that .223 = maybe, whilst .308 = definitely - hence my choice for a .308.

That all said, I'd be lying if I said that tacti-cool wasn't a factor in my buying decision.

The SL8 is rather Smexy, I'll give you that.


I think having a 223 and a 308 is the ideal combo.

Both are good for large game if you can accurately place your shots, as Akzle said shot placement is paramount and the animals need to be respected and killed as quickly and humanely as possible. Both are Sako mod 75s, the 308 finnlight has a 20 inch barrel and has had a DPT suppressor fitted since this pic, Ammo is Hornady SST 150grns and all head shots out to 230mts. the 223 is a tack driver and has shot hundreds of deer with only base of neck and head shots out to over 200mts.


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PS they shoot just as many Redskins.

[Akzle]

.

My AR shoots sub MOA, i reload 60grain projectiles for hunting anything including red deer up to 200m with the optics i use.
Sport shooting is sub MOA with mil 62 grain or 1.5 with 55 grain.



i sikk a pill twice the grains, 5 times the distance... as i'm trying to point out, horses for courses, and i think 308 is overkill for this townie.

[Brian d marge]

I think having a 223 and a 308 is the ideal combo.

Both are good for large game if you can accurately place your shots, as Akzle said shot placement is paramount and the animals need to be respected and killed as quickly and humanely as possible. Both are Sako mod 75s, the 308 finnlight has a 20 inch barrel and has had a DPT suppressor fitted since this pic, Ammo is Hornady SST 150grns and all head shots out to 230mts. the 223 is a tack driver and has shot hundreds of deer with only base of neck and head shots out to over 200mts.


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PS they shoot just as many Redskins.
Poor old santa will be on shankes pony this year .... A bit hard on the old duffers legs I reckon

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[Akzle]

a 20 inch barrel and has had a DPT suppressor fitted since this pic, Ammo is Hornady SST 150grns and all head shots out to 230mts. the 223 is a tack driver and has shot hundreds of deer with only base of neck and head shots out to over 200mts..

longer barrels give more options, a semi with a short barrel limits you heaps imo, esp with a big round like 308.

had a turn on a supressed 308 the other day. not sure if it's a chambering issue, but it strings vertically HARD, so it's the first shot that counts (as everything). and shows blow by on the necks.


right on with the 223 though, perfectly adequate calibre for 95% of shots taken.

[Akzle]

some nice pink camo pants you have there too oldy!

[old slider]

longer barrels give more options, a semi with a short barrel limits you heaps imo, esp with a big round like 308.

had a turn on a supressed 308 the other day. not sure if it's a chambering issue, but it strings vertically HARD, so it's the first shot that counts (as everything). and shows blow by on the necks.


right on with the 223 though, perfectly adequate calibre for 95% of shots taken.


I agree with the long barrels, we have a choice of 7mil rem mag or 300mag for the looong shots The 7mil rem mag is over kill on head shots, the 300 is worse.

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[Akzle]

I agree with the long barrels, we have a choice of 7mil rem mag or 300mag for the looong shots The 7mil rem mag is over kill on head shots, the 300 is worse.

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i've delaminated a few animals in similar fashion. anything with "magnum" in the name, you buy pretty much just to say you have one...

[nseagoon]

Tactical imports LTD is importing POF AR10 A category $4800.
A bit more expensive than I've seen in the past but still cheaper than GC.
And it's piston driven so appeals to those who like a heavier platform HK style :-)

[Akzle]

I haven't hunted deer but have talked to guys who used to be professional cullers. Most used 303, some of them used 22cf, but they had dogs. They were of the view that if you were hunting reds without dogs you should use 308 or similar.

When I decide to sell off what I have here I'd like to buy a toy, say a carbine in 45 or maybe even 357, but the quality of the cheap ones is suspect and I don't need an exercise in frustration thanks.

i havent seen them for a long while, but ruger did a 10/9mm (think their 10/22,but in 9mm para) which is almost as good as a pistol for chewing through your ammo. not much legs on it though.
357 would be pretty schweet.

[old slider]

i've delaminated a few animals in similar fashion. anything with "magnum" in the name, you buy pretty much just to say you have one...

I regard Magnum more as a caliber description than the suggested status symbol, a bit like Ackley, Bee, Hornet, Swift etc not forgetting the .257 Roberts or Roberts improved or the great 3006 Springfield improved.

Like the .357 is a Magnum (rifle) that can use 110grn upto 180grn from memory

Now the .375 H & H Magnum is a beasty worth looking at, chucking a 235grn or 300grn pill at close or better than 308 velocities. lol

I did a lot of reloading in the old days , but these days simply for smacking vennies over for friends and family good quality Manufactured ammo is accurate and consistent enough.

[Akzle]

I regard Magnum more as a caliber description than the suggested status symbol, a bit like Ackley, Bee, Hornet, Swift etc not forgetting the .257 Roberts or Roberts improved or the great 3006 Springfield improved.

Like the .357 is a Magnum (rifle) that can use 110grn upto 180grn from memory

Now the .375 H & H Magnum is a beasty worth looking at, chucking a 235grn or 300grn pill at close or better than 308 velocities. lol

I did a lot of reloading in the old days , but these days simply for smacking vennies over for friends and family good quality Manufactured ammo is accurate and consistent enough.

the 7 and 300 are "short magnums" - trying to pack more punch into a smaller cartridge, because racking a bolt a whole 3" is just too much work :sweatdrop:

ackley improved were all good, larger powder capacities by steeper shoulder angles, more neck sizing, but better range of weights and velocites and a lot of room to play with seating depths.


bee hornet and swift were all just trade names innit?
and never shot with the roberts or oughtsix improved so can't comment.

[Brian d marge]

Magnums are the best in any shape or form

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[old slider]

the 7 and 300 are "short magnums" - trying to pack more punch into a smaller cartridge, because racking a bolt a whole 3" is just too much work :sweatdrop:

ackley improved were all good, larger powder capacities by steeper shoulder angles, more neck sizing, but better range of weights and velocites and a lot of room to play with seating depths.


bee hornet and swift were all just trade names innit?
and never shot with the roberts or oughtsix improved so can't comment.

Not so sure the 300 weatherby Magnum throwing around 85 grns of H4831 is a short magnum, only the 416Rigby and 460 weatherby Magnums throwing a bit more powder in the more common bang sticks, either way your right, we don't need the big cannons here in NZ, and many of my reloading mates get trapped into velocities instead of whats the most accurate and using a good range finder.

[cods4]

I've only got a Ruger 10/22 and semi shotgun, but when I was looking at rifles a couple of years ago i landed on the 7mm-08 for a decent caliber for pretty much anything round here. I think i was gonna go for a Tika T3 but never ended up following through.

[Akzle]

Not so sure the 300 weatherby Magnum throwing around 85 grns of H4831 is a short magnum, only the 416Rigby and 460 weatherby Magnums throwing a bit more powder in the more common bang sticks, either way your right, we don't need the big cannons here in NZ, and many of my reloading mates get trapped into velocities instead of whats the most accurate and using a good range finder.

should have gone to specsavers. thought you meant 300 rsaum. yeah 300 mag is a little bit excessive. :laugh:

[Akzle]

I've ... got a Ruger 10/22 .

i'm sorry to hear that.

[jasonu]

i'm sorry to hear that.

Cobblers. The 10/22 is a good cheap plinking gun. Shoot it all day for buggar all.

[cods4]

Cobblers. The 10/22 is a good cheap plinking gun. Shoot it all day for buggar all.

Haha exactly, and this is an older one with the alloy action rather than all the plastic that the new ones have.

[Akzle]

Cobblers. The 10/22 is a good cheap plinking gun. Shoot it all day for buggar all.

yeah. but when you can watch the hammer cycling through the scope...you know the action is rough.

they need about 4 hours of work before they're worth shooting.

[Akzle]

Haha exactly, and this is an older one with the alloy action rather than all the plastic that the new ones have.

yeah with the hard hammer that grinds out rails in the top and doesn't ride square... they're better than a magtech... a bit.

seen a lot of 10/s but yet to be impressed by one.

[TheDemonLord]

I accidentally a deposit on an AR10 from Guncity.

By far the cheapest on the market (admitedly it was on Special - less than $2k for the rifle) - Ironically one of the other supplier I contacted rather rudely claimed that no one does AR10's for less then $2k...

I'm getting a nice Leupold optic on it for serious hunting - and am looking at Aliexpress to get a knock-off ACOG for target plinking.

And my Licence has shown up in the mail :headbang::headbang::headbang:

[Brian d marge]

I made 12 new arrows from ceder , nice brown Chinese Fletchings , spined to #56 about 3 dollars each , ...

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[pritch]

During all of the furore over Senate hearings into members of the Trump Administration the Republicans are slipping a few law changes through under the radar. The "Hearing Protection Act" might be considered one such.

A law to do with hearing aids? No, a law to make firearm silencers legal. Cynical much? Not a shocker here because silencers are legal and there are genuine reaons why shooters might want one. Not so in the USA, opponents can only envisage quieter murders.

[Akzle]

During all of the furore over Senate hearings into members of the Trump Administration the Republicans are slipping a few law changes through under the radar. The "Hearing Protection Act" might be considered one such.

A law to do with hearing aids? No, a law to make firearm silencers legal. Cynical much? Not a shocker here because silencers are legal and there are genuine reaons why shooters might want one. Not so in the USA, opponents can only envisage quieter murders.

"in the land of the truly free, Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms would be the name of a convinience store, not a government department"

you've always been able to get silencers in the us, you just have to pay 200 buck to the ATF.

[TheDemonLord]

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:wings: :eek: :wings:

[scumdog]

yeah. but when you can watch the hammer cycling through the scope...you know the action is rough.

they need about 4 hours of work before they're worth shooting.


Pfft, ya ain't lived until you've used a Gevarm take-down semi-auto 22!:crazy:

[caseye]

Pfft, ya ain't lived until you've used a Gevarm take-down semi-auto 22!:crazy:

Arskle is right and so are ewe Scummy, 4 hours or more on a 10/22 and shes a good weapon, any Gevarm is immediately a good weapon, specially those itty bitty little take down jobbies, lovely bit of kit.

[Akzle]

i dont knw what happened to my reply. so here goes again:

Pfft, ya ain't lived until you've used a Gevarm take-down semi-auto 22!:crazy:

i have. i'd take it over a rugger

[Brian d marge]

I have a question: why does everyone , or every bow hunting video I see from NZ use a compound, where's the skill in that ... Sit there and hold it all day with Ur lasers and sharks , and sharks with lasers ...... Where's the recurve or longbow fellas

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[nseagoon]

I have a question: why does everyone , or every bow hunting video I see from NZ use a compound, where's the skill in that ... Sit there and hold it all day with Ur lasers and sharks , and sharks with lasers ...... Where's the recurve or longbow fellas

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Google Toa Hunter Gatherer.

As for it being not skillful pfffft whatever.

And you're possibly in the wrong thread for bows if looking for like minded chaps.
I'm sure there's a few though but probably more like me who aren't against it but also don't care about it.

[Akzle]

I have a question: why does everyone , or every bow hunting video I see from NZ use a compound, where's the skill in that ... Sit there and hold it all day with Ur lasers and sharks , and sharks with lasers ...... Where's the recurve or longbow fellas

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because the kind of people who shun carbonhyperliteultracam bows for trad ones also shun jewtubebookfacetwitter for going outside to play?

i'd hunt with a recurve... but why? i'm all about making shit easier. and .22 is cheap as shit and there innt much it wont kill.

[Brian d marge]

Google Toa Hunter Gatherer.

As for it being not skillful pfffft whatever.

And you're possibly in the wrong thread for bows if looking for like minded chaps.
I'm sure there's a few though but probably more like me who aren't against it but also don't care about it.
I have no idea what , skillful pftt what ever means ,
As for Toa , I speak with him often on you tube , I have 4 recurves and cant buy ( thought want ) one of his bows ...

here the tenuous link to this thread , and why I dont want to start a new thread
Getting to with in a few metres of a deer a challenge, (sadly here in japan all I can do Is say hello once I have , as there is a no shooteee policy )

blasting away from 3 km at the odd taliban , skill

rabbits with a .22 ...bored ...Rabbits with a recurve ,,, very challenging ....

[Brian d marge]

because the kind of people who shun carbonhyperliteultracam bows for trad ones also shun jewtubebookfacetwitter for going outside to play?

i'd hunt with a recurve... but why? i'm all about making shit easier. and .22 is cheap as shit and there innt much it wont kill.

White Van man? me thinks bigger calibre

[Akzle]

rabbits with a .22 ...bored ...Rabbits with a recurve ,,, very challenging ....

rabbits at 100 yards with a .22...

[Akzle]

White Van man? me thinks bigger calibre

a) evidence
b)headshots.
c) lots of boolits.

[Brian d marge]

rabbits at 100 yards with a .22...

With or without your specsavers?

[Akzle]

With or without your specsavers?

aperture sights. obviously.

or make it 150 with a 4x scope.

[eldog]

Possibly wrong thread

how to deal with pigeons approx 50+ nesting 15m up in industrial warehouse, without putting holes through roofing, currently :brick:

[Brian d marge]

gasoline , and sugar

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[Akzle]

Possibly wrong thread

how to deal with pigeons approx 50+ nesting 15m up in industrial warehouse, without putting holes through roofing, currently :brick:

slug guns dawg. they're fucken high technology now days.
are you actually in souf dorkland? i could get you some names.

[Honest Andy]

Possibly wrong thread

how to deal with pigeons approx 50+ nesting 15m up in industrial warehouse, without putting holes through roofing, currently :brick:

Easy. Poison 'em.
So yeah. Wrong thread :whistle:

[GazzaH]

How to deal with pigeons approx 50+ nesting 15m up in industrial warehouse, without putting holes through roofing, currently :brick:

A) Air rifle, crack shot. Pigeons are pretty big, mostly static targets at just 15m. Even a .22 hollow-point would largely disintegrate provided you don't miss.

B) Poison, nets, spikes, fake hawks

C) Real hawks, starved

D) Cherry picker (shoot the wall not the roof)

[pritch]

There may be interest in bows that we just don't see.

Former colleague of mine has a daughter who just turned six. A few months back I was told the wee one had been given a bow by her dad. I imagined a little pink thing with maybe some optional sparkles. But no, it's a small black bow that apart from the colour wouldn't look too out of place in a Robin Hood movie, 20lb pull, and she has some carbon arrows with what might be aluminium tips. It's not exactly a toy.

Archery used to be strong in town here but I have no idea if the club still operates. I did see them shooting one day and was very unimpressed by their idea of safety.

[eldog]

Easy. Poison 'em.
So yeah. Wrong thread :whistle:

Them birds way tooo smart for dat.
Tried, got a few, they breed faster.
nah, hence on here.

[eldog]

A) Air rifle, crack shot. Pigeons are pretty big, mostly static targets at just 15m. Even a .22 hollow-point would largely disintegrate provided you don't miss.

B) Poison, nets, spikes, fake hawks

C) Real hawks, starved

D) Cherry picker (shoot the wall not the roof)


A. 15m straight up, usually 20m-40m they love corners and recesses.
B. Tried poison, too cunning. Nets too difficult. Fake hawks and sounds - tried and utterly useless, environment too noisy during day for them to worry. Lights no effect. They don't really like lasers they just turn around.
C. Haven't seen any.
D. This may be part of solution, one area is almost without access.

[eldog]

slug guns dawg. they're fucken high technology now days.
are you actually in souf dorkland? i could get you some names.

Slug guns, suggestions.
yes I am in SofA
i will probably do this myself, during the weekends, the others are bird lovers.

[Akzle]

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:wings: :eek: :wings:

now you just need to learn to shoot :whistle:

[eldog]

now you just need to learn to shoot :whistle:
Me too, :baby:

[Akzle]

Slug guns, suggestions.
yes I am in SofA
i will probably do this myself, during the weekends, the others are bird lovers.

well anything you can clock a pigeon at 20m with would do. that's chineseshit B3 model territory for me.
you probably want something more expensive. fwb, diana, weirhauch, webley. .22 will be more versatile than. 177, "fps" is horseshit marketing hype. "fpe" is a truer indication of cop-kIlling ability.
dont buy from humping and fisting or gun shitty. dont buy gamo, crosman or "beretta"

[scumdog]

Slug guns, suggestions.
yes I am in SofA
i will probably do this myself, during the weekends, the others are bird lovers.


.22 cal

More whack than .177

[TheDemonLord]

now you just need to learn to shoot :whistle:

Lol - actually first I need to finish mounting the Scope properly....

[Akzle]

A) Air rifle, crack shot. Pigeons are pretty big, mostly static targets at just 15m. Even a .22 hollow-point would largely disintegrate provided you don't miss.

longs or better shorts. fucken squibs would do at that range. LR will drill a pigeon. even subs, even at that range, even hp.


B) Poison,

mmmmmeehhhh. possible but not probable.
best bet would be the "hot foot" shit, which i think is now illegal.
actually feeding poison to birds: not effective

[Akzle]

.22 cal

More whack than .177

:nono:

no.
m=v2 or some shit.

[GazzaH]

E) Cats on high wires

F) Shoot though a skylight

G) Klystrons (pointed up, remotely switched)

H) Carbon monoxide

[Akzle]

Lol - actually first I need to finish mounting the Scope properly....

fuck you're shit.
give it to a real man.
also hi-mounts and irons.
or canted irons (so you can pose while pretending you can shoot) need the 45• rails though. :laugh:

fucken townies. when you put 5 in the X let me know eh

[Honest Andy]

Them birds way tooo smart for dat.
Tried, got a few, they breed faster.
nah, hence on here.

Fair enough. Go for the slug gun then. Head shot at 20m. Take a while though if they get spooked and you have to keep going away and coming back.

I did work in a big warehouse once when they brought in a poison man to clear out about a hundred pigeons. He just chucked more poisoned seed on the floor every morning when he came in to pick up the bodies. Seemed to sort out about half the remaining population every day.
We found a few bodies that he missed though, stuck up on beams... sometimes bits of a body would fall down after the maggots had eaten it in half :sick:

[eldog]

well anything you can clock a pigeon at 20m with would do. that's chineseshit B3 model territory for me.
you probably want something more expensive. fwb, diana, weirhauch, webley. .22 will be more versatile than. 177, "fps" is horseshit marketing hype. "fpe" is a truer indication of cop-kIlling ability.
dont buy from humping and fisting or gun shitty. dont buy gamo, crosman or "beretta"

ok thanks


.22 cal

More whack than .177 .22 was suggested by a customer who had similar problem....


E) Cats on high wires

F) Shoot though a skylight

G) Klystrons (pointed up, remotely switched)

H) Carbon monoxide

Cat impossible, they are too smart
skylight, it's a 30 degree roof from memory forget that
klystrons?
CO, it's too windy


Fair enough. Go for the slug gun then. Head shot at 20m. Take a while though if they get spooked and you have to keep going away and coming back.

I did work in a big warehouse once when they brought in a poison man to clear out about a hundred pigeons. He just chucked more poisoned seed on the floor every morning when he came in to pick up the bodies. Seemed to sort out about half the remaining population every day.
We found a few bodies that he missed though, stuck up on beams... sometimes bits of a body would fall down after the maggots had eaten it in half :sick:

they don't get spooked, that I can assure you.
Hot foot, I know it works but goes hard
looking at cherry picker and blocking/making perches difficult or painful, bird spikes to stop nesting
a .22 would be last resort

[T.W.R]

.410 shotty with cartridges loaded with rock salt or a .22 with quail cartridges

[GazzaH]

I) Pool without a fence

J) Little Ducatis

K) Give em scissors and make em run

L) Tie little nooses on a rafter and play Leonard Cohen on a loop

[pritch]

:nono:

no.
m=v2 or some shit.


E =MC2? Energy equals mass times velocity squared. Which is Einsteins theory of relativity. The velocity (C) in the equation is squared so the result favours little bullets going fast.

Better to just multiply bullet weight by velocity and cross three zeros off, which is how they calculate power factor in pistol shooting. That's a better real world indication.

[Akzle]

E =MC2? Energy equals mass times velocity squared. Which is Einsteins theory of relativity. The velocity (C) in the equation is squared so the result favours little bullets going fast.

Better to just multiply bullet weight by velocity and cross three zeros off, which is how they calculate power factor in pistol shooting. That's a better real world indication.
:niceone:
which was my point. impact energy (typically measured in fpe) is more relevant that calibre.
and there's formulae proper out there to determine it.

[Akzle]

.410 shotty with cartridges loaded with rock salt or a .22 with quail cartridges

completely forgot about those. sparrow/rat shot in 22.
sawn off. 410 could even use 7-8 target shot, 1.5" shells...

[Honest Andy]

.410 shotty with cartridges loaded with rock salt or a .22 with quail cartridges

More noise too, therefore more fun :ar15:

[Honest Andy]

M) a dozen microwave ovens on high with the doors open

N) make them play parrots with eye patches and real cutlasses

O) put the rent up to reflect the market

P) Get an anti 1080 campaigner to talk to them in a stern manner

[scumdog]

:nono:

no.
m=v2 or some shit.

.177 will go right through and waste some of its energy on thin air. or windows. or something.

[Akzle]

More noise too, therefore more fun :ar15:

:psst: you can get supressors for shotguns. epic, epic supressors.

[Akzle]

.177 will go right through and waste some of its energy on thin air. or windows. or something.

tune gun to 9fpe.
11gn slugs.
no son, it wont.

[TheDemonLord]

fuck you're shit.
give it to a real man.
also hi-mounts and irons.
or canted irons (so you can pose while pretending you can shoot) need the 45• rails though. :laugh:

fucken townies. when you put 5 in the X let me know eh

Oh Pfft.

I can't find my spirit level - hence why it's not finished mounting.

Plus ultimately I want to go Deer Hunting - so a Scope was required.

[scumdog]

tune gun to 9fpe.
11gn slugs.
no son, it wont.

Depends if your using a toy or not..

[T.W.R]

completely forgot about those. sparrow/rat shot in 22.
sawn off. 410 could even use 7-8 target shot, 1.5" shells...

I've got a few here for bloody starlings :msn-wink:
Fiocchi Flobert are good too if you can get them, they'll punch a hole through a 1" thick book at 20m and they're quieter than an air rifle :innocent:

Got a 12g goose gun that's good with pig slugs & buck shot :niceone:

[Akzle]

Depends if your using a toy or not..

which part of "slug gun" did you miss?

[Akzle]

.

Plus ultimately I want to go Deer Hunting - so a Scope was required.

what the fuck are you on about. at the range a 223 will skittle a deer, irons is plenty.

[T.W.R]

what the fuck are you on about. at the range a 223 will skittle a deer, irons is plenty.

He's heading up the Ureweras chasing Rusa ;)

[TheDemonLord]

what the fuck are you on about. at the range a 223 will skittle a deer, irons is plenty.

Who said anything about a .223 ;)

[Akzle]

Who said anything about a .223 ;)

:o :spanking: my bad.
anyway, what's within range of your shooting... could be hit with irons.



what reticle didya get?

[scumdog]

which part of "slug gun" did you miss?

You do get 'toy' slug guns eh?

[TheDemonLord]

:o :spanking: my bad.
anyway, what's within range of your shooting... could be hit with irons.

what reticle didya get?

It's in a box in the pic ;)

I honestly got what Gun City recommended which I believe is a Leupold VX1 1-10 I think - I freely admit that I knew sweet FA and went with a recommendation.

I would have loved to get an ACOG - but I don't have a spare $4k....

[Akzle]

It's in a box in the pic ;)

I honestly got what Gun City recommended which I believe is a Leupold VX1 1-10 I think - I freely admit that I knew sweet FA and went with a recommendation.
reticle. nigga. needs to lern you some gun werds au. ut's wots the aiming bit inside vat yu look frew and like it's a cross au.

also. gun shitty are poos at recomendation. i'd've gone a couple gens more with a couple magnifications less. (vxIII, 6x, ie) it's okay, it's still worth money to sell. or put on a .223 :D
also. don't be that guy who spends more time fucking with his scope than pulling the trigger. fucken turret twiddlers. they should be shot.



I would have loved to get an ACOG - but I don't have a spare $4k....

too much playstation for you young man. acog are not accurate long range units. very, very good for what they are. but not long range snipey. i'd say they max out at 400.. i have one under my seat i'll sell you for only 3k. needs a new illuminator which is apparently free cos of the lifetime warranty thing.

[Akzle]

You do get 'toy' slug guns eh?

err... they pretty much all are...

[Akzle]

Got a 12g goose gun that's good with pig slugs & buck shot :niceone:

a bolt action? i want one.

[T.W.R]

a bolt action? i want one.

Yeah a Marlin Model 55 3 shot (2 in the mag 1 in the breach) 26" barrel vented & variable choke accepts std & 3" cartridges :yes:
Did have two but the 2nd one had the barrel cut down to 18" for using specifically on pigs & using solids

[Akzle]

Yeah a Marlin Model 55 3 shot (2 in the mag 1 in the breach) 26" barrel vented & variable choke accepts std & 3" cartridges :yes:
Did have two but the 2nd one had the barrel cut down to 18" for using specifically on pigs & using solids

noice :niceone:

[T.W.R]

noice :niceone:

There's the odd one comes for sale every now & then for bugger all coin; A lot got chopped for pigs though :msn-wink:
One of the SuperGoose models in 10g would be fun

[Akzle]

There's the odd one comes for sale every now & then for bugger all coin; A lot got chopped for pigs though :msn-wink:
One of the SuperGoose models in 10g would be fun

yeah i haven't seen em for a long while but always hankered after one. how's those vari-chokes go? dont know much about em but would tend to think they foul? otherwise a fkn handy idea. and if they'd go out to cylinder bore i could run me home brew solids >:)
i'd like one in. 410 or 20ga.

had an old 10ga sbs many moons ago. got a bit punishing to shoot. brass buttplate :sweatdrop:

[T.W.R]

yeah i haven't seen em for a long while but always hankered after one. how's those vari-chokes go? dont know much about em but would tend to think they foul? otherwise a fkn handy idea. and if they'd go out to cylinder bore i could run me home brew solids >:)
i'd like one in. 410 or 20ga.

had an old 10ga sbs many moons ago. got a bit punishing to shoot. brass buttplate :sweatdrop:

I've used mine chasing rabbits, hares & possums mainly with #4 & #5 shot choke mostly 1/2 to 3/4.....she's got a decent kick :lol: one of my mates is scared of it, but at about 20m it'll pick a rabbit up and toss it like a bag of mince. The end is fluted and if you put a solid through it you have to wind it right out to 1/4 choke otherwise it'll break the petals that was why most get cut down either from that happening or purposely cut.
doing hare drives at night is fun....she's a primitive old cannon but the punch & muzzle flash are worth it :cool:

[Akzle]

....she's a primitive old cannon but the punch & muzzle flash are worth it :cool:

winchester double ought. they only 2.75" shells but faaaaaaak they pack a wollop and a good flame too.

which reminds me... i need to load up some dragon's breath and sneak them into me mate's shooting jackets...

[scumdog]

err... they pretty much all are...

Tell the dead cop that...<_<

[scumdog]

I've used mine chasing rabbits, hares & possums mainly with #4 & #5 shot choke mostly 1/2 to 3/4.....she's got a decent kick :lol: one of my mates is scared of it, but at about 20m it'll pick a rabbit up and toss it like a bag of mince. The end is fluted and if you put a solid through it you have to wind it right out to 1/4 choke otherwise it'll break the petals that was why most get cut down either from that happening or purposely cut.
doing hare drives at night is fun....she's a primitive old cannon but the punch & muzzle flash are worth it :cool:

And I believe steel shot is not the friend of a vari-choke, is that correct Bill?

[T.W.R]

And I believe steel shot is not the friend of a vari-choke, is that correct Bill?

Dunno mate never used any and haven't had it out for a breather for a few years now. I'd be picking that'd be the case though :yes:

[Akzle]

Tell the dead cop that...<_<

that wasn't a fucken off the shelf thing. that was a several-thousand dollar competition pcp, iirc. and you wankstains got them a-catted. massively limiting crimnal's access to unlaful firearms <_<

[scumdog]

that wasn't a fucken off the shelf thing. that was a several-thousand dollar competition pcp, iirc. and you wankstains got them a-catted. massively limiting crimnal's access to unlaful firearms <_<


Ohhh, so now you're discriminating as to what kind of slug gun you meant...:rolleyes:

[Laava]

Wonder if Axehole will be the next paranoid whackjob to lose his shit and go bananas on the meter reader with his unlicensed arsenal... maybe time to get him vetted for societies sake?.....

[scumdog]

[QUOTE=Laava;1131057520... maybe time to get him vetted for societies sake?.....[/QUOTE]

You mean get his nuts whacked off???:eek5:

[pritch]

I see on Twitter the other day a clip showing Marquez with a bow. His didn't have all the pulleys, whistles and bells that Stoner's has, I assume MM's is what's called a recurve. A bit flasher than a long bow.

[Brian d marge]

You mean get his nuts whacked off???:eek5:
wear your uniform and polish up the tash,... before any whacking off then post the pictures

[TheDemonLord]

Why must I lust after unobtanium...

http://gunsnz.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=68_263_268&product_id=1986

[Akzle]

Why must I lust after unobtanium...

http://gunsnz.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=68_263_268&product_id=1986

they're a-cat "sporting" rifles in nz, as long as your mag is <7 rounds. and there are a few in the wild.

but unless you've tigthened your groups considerably, it's a bit irrelevant.

you'd also want a private 2km range (last i checked auckland ranges wont allow >338, and some not even hot mag loads)

and reloading gear. factory rounds were 12$ a shot last i checked.

[Swoop]

I note the NZ army has placed orders for a good quantity of Barrett rifles in .50 cal.
New toys for the marksmen!

[TheDemonLord]

they're a-cat "sporting" rifles in nz, as long as your mag is <7 rounds. and there are a few in the wild.

but unless you've tigthened your groups considerably, it's a bit irrelevant.

you'd also want a private 2km range (last i checked auckland ranges wont allow >338, and some not even hot mag loads)

and reloading gear. factory rounds were 12$ a shot last i checked.

Problem is that they have the free-floating pistol Grip,

Although reading their site, it suggests that for an exorhbitant fee, they could make it A cat...

Still - I don't think I could justify either the $25k initial cost or the $10/round for each trigger pull.

[jasonu]

I note the NZ army has placed orders for a good quantity of Barrett rifles in .50 cal.
New toys for the marksmen!

The tooth fairy will likely cancel that order and give that money to solo mothers and other bludgers.

[Akzle]

Problem is that they have the free-floating pistol Grip,

Although reading their site, it suggests that for an exorhbitant fee, they could make it A cat...

Still - I don't think I could justify either the $25k initial cost or the $10/round for each trigger pull.

aw right. that's the semi. go for the colt-armalite bolty.

or just screw a bit of strap steel between the grip and butt plate.

priorities man. what the fuck else are you going to do with 25k.

[TheDemonLord]

aw right. that's the semi. go for the colt-armalite bolty.

or just screw a bit of strap steel between the grip and butt plate.

priorities man. what the fuck else are you going to do with 25k.

Cocaine and Hookers?

[T.W.R]

I note the NZ army has placed orders for a good quantity of Barrett rifles in .50 cal.
New toys for the marksmen!

The doco on Barrett a few months back was an interesting watch. The US army didn't have anything to do with them for a few years and of all the armies in the world the Swiss army was the 1st to use them. The head tech/specialist was amusing talking about the guns and one of his most memorable experiences having a marksman who was in the middle of a firefight in Iraq ring him because the gun had jammed & needed help :eek:

[Akzle]

Cocaine and Hookers?

terribly blasé

[Hans]

So, here's a question: I know some of the shadier characters on here like to play with black powder and the likes. Who has experience with having unprimed brass sent over from Australia? I have just shelled out (horrible pun, kill me now) a pretty penny for some obscure and unusual brass as a present for the old man. The manufacturer is giving me the runaround, saying that Aus customs won't allow them to ship. Anyone done this before? Experiences?

[TheDemonLord]

So, here's a question: I know some of the shadier characters on here like to play with black powder and the likes. Who has experience with having unprimed brass sent over from Australia? I have just shelled out (horrible pun, kill me now) a pretty penny for some obscure and unusual brass as a present for the old man. The manufacturer is giving me the runaround, saying that Aus customs won't allow them to ship. Anyone done this before? Experiences?

Apparently there are some issues:

http://www.australianoncefired.net/FAQ.html


*Where do you ship to?
Australia Only . As a NSW based company we will only supply our brass to anywhere in this country . As case supply in NSW is not regulated to just Licensed Gun Owners we do not need a Dealers License nor require a Shooters License from our clients . There are various embargoes and other legal requirements for shipping cases outside Australia so we will not supply to anyone from outside Australia . We also will not ship to known Mail Forwarding services . Any attempt or request to breach a trade embargo will be reported to the Australian Customs Service .

and

http://www.defence.gov.au/ExportControls/FirearmsPermit.asp


any firearm parts, accessories, sights, ammunition, magazines, etc, being exported without firearms;

I suspect that the Australian Government considers spent brass in that category (which seems a little silly)

[Hans]

Sure. This is not even spent brass. It's unprimed casings. I anticipated trouble, so I double checked with the manufacturer whether they've shipped to NZ before and would again. Someone done fucked up, clearly.

[Akzle]

are you buying a bag? ie, to be reloaded and shot? or for "display purposes only"?

at any rate, find a friendly 'strayan. or someone going over...

what cartridge? some of the oddballs 45-70, 25-06, 35, 55 etc can (used to) be had locally.

or can they be fireformed from something else?

[Hans]

Yup. To be loaded and shot. It's definitely stuff that can't be bought here. 80x60r Kropatchek and the likes.

[Akzle]

Yup. To be loaded and shot. It's definitely stuff that can't be bought here. 80x60r Kropatchek and the likes.

me uncle had an 8mm, and someone was reloading for him. this is lower north island, and quite some years ago....
think it was x57 though. i don't know much about em. nice to shoot though.

[nseagoon]

Yeah aussie has absurd laws and absurd people too.

You might actually find either having it sent to a contacts residential address then them forwarding to NZ,

Or booking a seat, flying over then bringing it back in your baggage might be the easiest and possibly cheapest way

[pritch]

That's a pretty unusual round. I used to have one of the cartridges with a wooden "bullet", presumably a drill round. A quick check of the Interwebs shows loaded rounds for sale in the US but of WW2 vintage - and probably dificult to import.

[Akzle]

you got me curious.

apparently prvi (PPU headstamp) do factory loads.

8x60 can be formed from 30-06 brass... lee have dies in their catalogue for 8x56R hungarian, 8x57 mauser and 8mm lebel (x50mm)
just looking, of those i'd say mauser is closest with the shoulder angle... which means you could blow the shoulder forward from x57 rounds for cases with a short neck... course that means you have to find x57 loads here...

and if it's a .323 bore, sierra carry pills from 150 to 220gn, nothing specifically listed for a .318 but i imagine you'd be pretty safe chucking .311 (7.9) slugs down it... which gives you 125 - 180 gn options.

[pritch]

you got me curious.

apparently prvi (PPU headstamp) do factory loads.

8x60 can be formed from 30-06 brass... lee have dies in their catalogue for 8x56R hungarian, 8x57 mauser and 8mm lebel (x50mm)
just looking, of those i'd say mauser is closest with the shoulder angle... which means you could blow the shoulder forward from x57 rounds for cases with a short neck... course that means you have to find x57 loads here...

and if it's a .323 bore, sierra carry pills from 150 to 220gn, nothing specifically listed for a .318 but i imagine you'd be pretty safe chucking .311 (7.9) slugs down it... which gives you 125 - 180 gn options.

Nah. That R makes a big difference I don't see how you could turn a rimless case into a rimmed one. (Or 'flanged' for Brits of a certain age.)

[Akzle]

Nah. That R makes a big difference I don't see how you could turn a rimless case into a rimmed one. (Or 'flanged' for Brits of a certain age.)

those are the lebels. x57 and x60 are both rimless.
there is also x60R and RS chanberings

[pritch]

They were supposed to be Kropatscheck. The base on the one I had way back wasn't actually flat, it was sorta convex. You can just about see that on the base of the two to the right partticularly the top one.

[Akzle]

They were supposed to be Kropatcheck. The base on the one I had way back wasn't actually flat, it was sorta convex.

o right. yes yes. kropatchek (8x56R) was predecessor to lebel.(8x50R)

[pritch]

It looks as if the US Army has fucked up majorly. Don't just take the word of the dude in this link, there is other similar information on Youtube but he sums up the problem. I'm still having trouble with the idea that Sig was the budget option.

There may yet be big paydays for lawyers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KjGxDIG514g

[Swoop]

It looks as if the US Army has fucked up majorly. ... I'm still having trouble with the idea that Sig was the budget option.

The normal sessions of politics, budgets and hidden agendas of US purchasing military items.

Of note, the Beretta is a dog and anyone heading into the sandpit was ditching it and carrying their personal Glock 17 instead.
The Sig is nice (NZ forces used to have them) but we have now gone to the Glock, which is a wise decision really.

Even more interesting is our adoption of the LMT 5.56 service rifle. I was playing with one of these recently and they are superb bits of kit! Someone did a great job getting these for the troops.
Not the cheapest, but I doubt the same level of quality would be provided now that the "labourite peacenik sect" are in control (remember the inshore patrol boats and LAV vehicle disasters?).

[Akzle]

Of note, the Beretta is a dog and anyone heading into the sandpit was ditching it and carrying their personal Glock 17 instead.
The Sig is nice (NZ forces used to have them) but we have now gone to the Glock, which is a wise decision really.


meow. there's a time and a place.
the 'retta has been a fine service weapon for a lot of countries for a lot of time,
yanks must be getting soft. granted it's heavier and more fussy about cleaning (not to extreme... if i was to carry a gun it'd be a 96)
it's by no means a "dog"

and still no-one has convinced me that glocks are all that. yes they're impressively indestructable (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ENZioGLjMI) but their grips are poos. they bark a lot and pretty much every other pistol is more accurate. - not combat concerns, i know.


Even more interesting is our adoption of the LMT 5.56 service rifle. I was playing with one of these recently and they are superb bits of kit! Someone did a great job getting these for the troops.
Not the cheapest, but I doubt the same level of quality would be provided now that the "labourite peacenik sect" are in control (remember the inshore patrol boats and LAV vehicle disasters?).

yes... i heard tell about that. which means there's going to be a lot of AUGs to go somewhere.

I wouldn't mind one with a 24" heavy pipe... in .308.

[Swoop]

the 'retta has been a fine service weapon and still no-one has convinced me that glocks are all that.
You might need to talk to some people who've "been there, done that"...

As for the Aug... check people's green recycling bins.
Best place for the P.o.S. really.

[pritch]

You might need to talk to some people who've "been there, done that"...

As for the Aug... check people's green recycling bins.
Best place for the P.o.S. really.

Thing about the pistols is that most who have "been there, done that" didn't have one. Mostly there's better options, apart from which you don't generally get to pick and chose.

The Beretta was made to tolerances no other company could match, apparently the main complaint was related to their being thirty odd years old..

[Akzle]

Thing about the pistols is that most who have "been there, done that" didn't have one. Mostly there's better options, apart from which you don't generally get to pick and chose.

The Beretta was made to tolerances no other company could match, apparently the main complaint was related to their being thirty odd years old..

the usmc managed to crack slides on a few of them. they were firing X hundred thousand rounds without cleaning them.

like. durrr :weird:


afaik they're still us navy issue, and specops.

[Akzle]

You might need to talk to some people who've "been there, done that"...

As for the Aug... check people's green recycling bins.
Best place for the P.o.S. really.

i have.
a pistol is a pistol is a pistol. (unless they're made of plastic)
granted the people i've discussed berettas with weren't grunts, and probably got a new gun for every deployment, but they had no issue with them.

augs are fucken cool.

[Swoop]

afaik they're still us navy issue, and specops.

Spec-ops are: HK Mk 23 SOCOM .45 ACP, Glock 17 or the SIG 226.
Standard issue? M9, but why would you?:(


The operators can select what toy suits them. And small groups (less than 6) who shoot 3500 rounds in a morning session, can select whatever the fuck they want, even if it's another of the same thing - just with less wear and tear.

[pritch]

afaik they're still us navy issue, and specops.

Some of Youtube vids state that it's only the army that is affected this far. The others would normally follow in due course although some hesitation might be appropriate?

[scumdog]

It costs US $450 for a silencer in Texas - plus US $200 to ATF for a background check?? WTF?

Yet ya can buy a bump stock for sfa...

[jasonu]

It costs US $450 for a silencer in Texas - plus US $200 to ATF for a background check?? WTF?

Yet ya can buy a bump stock for sfa...

Pretty sure bumpstocks are no longer available.

[Swoop]

A word to the wise is "stock up on primers"...

[scumdog]

the usmc managed to crack slides on a few of them. they were firing X hundred thousand rounds without cleaning them.

like. durrr :weird:


afaik they're still us navy issue, and specops.


Glocks crack slides too....:rolleyes:

[d.n.a]

It costs US $450 for a silencer in Texas - plus US $200 to ATF for a background check?? WTF?

Yet ya can buy a bump stock for sfa...
because of all those criminals who use supressors when robbing the 7/11

Glocks crack slides too....:rolleyes:

uhh. duh. they're made of plastic.

[Swoop]

uhh. duh. they're made of plastic.
No they are not.

[scumdog]

because of all those criminals who use supressors when robbing the 7/11


uhh. duh. they're made of plastic.

Well du-uh -I was talking about REAL Glocks:rolleyes: