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carver
25th June 2010, 18:41
Why a .410 and not a 12ga, Carver?
could go 12g but i have a pumper already, i like the 410, less kick,lighter when loaded too
Swoop
25th June 2010, 21:48
What's this about the Youthtown range being closed down permanantly?
Someone wants to turn it into car parking?
jono035
25th June 2010, 21:55
What's this about the Youthtown range being closed down permanantly?
Someone wants to turn it into car parking?
New manager or someone at Youthtown has a real bee in his bonnet about the noise and started running downstairs whenever he heard anyone shooting bigger calibre pistols (.44 mag in specific, which the range is certified for). This resulted in an immediate ban on .44 mag/.357 mag... That put a bit of a cramp in my shooting for the past few months.
The range is on a 3 year lease and was due to be renewed around March. The Youthtown board originally said they weren't going to renew and then gave us an extra year. Currently there are negotiations underway.
Apparently the board had received several complaints about the CSI club not being enough of a 'youth oriented' club (half the range users are 18 or under, scout groups etc.), being too noisy (new soundproofing has been budgeted and they knew the timeframe for installation) and a few other minor complaints...
Also apparently they suggested other uses for the space such as a music room (lol, it's a manky damp basement)...
I'm not sure what the current state of play was. CSI has had a couple of ideas for alternate range locations in the wings, but last I heard the main strategy was to negotiate to get a member of CSI onto the Youthtown board and be more active in their management to hopefully keep our presence known...
sAsLEX
25th June 2010, 21:58
Yeah heard that tonight at the RNZN Pistol club AGM.......... not good........ but there is some good news maybe coming about! Watch this space. Sorry won't really help the civillian shooters much :(
Swoop
25th June 2010, 22:00
CSI has had a couple of ideas for alternate range locations in the wings, but last I heard the main strategy was to negotiate to get a member of CSI onto the Youthtown board and be more active in their management to hopefully keep our presence known...
Good luck with that.
We heard it was a trustee who is causing all the fuss.
jono035
25th June 2010, 22:03
Also just noticed that the NZ Antique Arms Assn is putting on a gun show at the Mt Eden War Memorial Hall on Sunday 4th of July. Anyone going to head along to that?
Alex: Where was that information from? Last I heard was a few weeks back from the CSI secretary that there was no further decision either way...
jono035
25th June 2010, 22:04
Good luck with that.
We heard it was a trustee who is causing all the fuss.
Ugh, may well be. I know the manager was the one who effectively got .44 magnum banned there until further soundproofing but I don't know if he is behind the rest of it. Maybe he just stirred the other trustees up... Argh.
Chris: I may need to know what your plans are with regards to belonging to a pistol club in association with this new range. If CSI ends up dissolving it's going to be shoot at APC under their weird hours or give up my license... Neither are appealing.
sAsLEX
25th June 2010, 22:21
Ugh, may well be. I know the manager was the one who effectively got .44 magnum banned there until further soundproofing but I don't know if he is behind the rest of it. Maybe he just stirred the other trustees up... Argh.
Chris: I may need to know what your plans are with regards to belonging to a pistol club in association with this new range. If CSI ends up dissolving it's going to be shoot at APC under their weird hours or give up my license... Neither are appealing.
I heard it was a paticular trustee with the issue and also that the intention was to turn it to car parks.
jono035
25th June 2010, 22:25
I heard it was a paticular trustee with the issue and also that the intention was to turn it to car parks.
The car park thing is news to me and it's kind of disturbing because I know they need more car parking so it's actually a possibility...
Have fired off an e-mail to the CSI club secretary asking for an update. The CSI AGM is in 2 weeks so I guess any official announcements will probably be made then.
sAsLEX
25th June 2010, 22:33
Chris: I may need to know what your plans are with regards to belonging to a pistol club in association with this new range. If CSI ends up dissolving it's going to be shoot at APC under their weird hours or give up my license... Neither are appealing.
Seems a bit off the number of hoops us law abiding shooters have to jump through to keep the hobby. Easier going off the grid......
jono035
25th June 2010, 22:39
Seems a bit off the number of hoops us law abiding shooters have to jump through to keep the hobby. Easier going off the grid......
Yeah, was just talking about all this to a friend of mine I've taken shooting a few times and who was interested in picking it up at some point. His main sport is fencing (you know, getting dressed up and poking each other with bendy metal sticks) and he said that there probably wouldn't be anyone fencing in NZ at all if they had to jump through half as many hoops as we do...
The real razor in the soup though is that being able to only fire pistols at a pistol range makes it insanely easy for our sport to be stomped out by simple attrition. Close or place silly restrictions on all the pistol ranges due to noise/smell/car traffic etc. and the sport dies quietly.
Wolf
25th June 2010, 23:17
What's the law re black powder flintlock pistols? Some on Tardme are saying "No licence required" for genuine old flinters - would have thought they'd need a licence as you can still cast a few balls, pour some BP down the snout and fire them.
jono035
25th June 2010, 23:19
What's the law re black powder flintlock pistols? Some on Tardme are saying "No licence required" for genuine old flinters - would have thought they'd need a licence as you can still cast a few balls, pour some BP down the snout and fire them.
Well ultimately you can do the same thing with a piece of steel pipe with an end cap welded on 1 end and a hole drilled in it... Not that I'd ever do such a thing...
Wolf
25th June 2010, 23:33
Hmmm, I know a couple of businesses that have huge piles of steel pipe - perhaps they're Terrorists...
jono035
25th June 2010, 23:34
Hmmm, I know a couple of businesses that have huge piles of steel pipe - perhaps they're Terrorists...
You know a couple of terrorist businesses? Sounds like you might be a terrorist, too!
carver
26th June 2010, 10:36
Yeah heard that tonight at the RNZN Pistol club AGM.......... not good........ but there is some good news maybe coming about! Watch this space. Sorry won't really help the civillian shooters much :(
whats happening with the hamilton club?
Wolf
27th June 2010, 11:25
You know a couple of terrorist businesses? Sounds like you might be a terrorist, too!
Worse - far worse... Deep cover CIA. Keep it under your hat, will ya?
Mr Merde
28th June 2010, 10:17
So anyone done any shooting this weekend.
Personally I am going through withdrawl symptoms.
Did a big tidy up on the garage this weekend. Now have all my shooting stuff on one side. Now to sort it out and build a reloading bench.
Eventually I hope to have a couple of work benches.
1 for reloading, one for casting and another for gunsmithing.
As long as eventually there is room for Sharron to park her car I can utilis as much of the space as I need.
The Pastor
28th June 2010, 10:27
So anyone done any shooting this weekend.
Personally I am going through withdrawl symptoms.
Did a big tidy up on the garage this weekend. Now have all my shooting stuff on one side. Now to sort it out and build a reloading bench.
Eventually I hope to have a couple of work benches.
1 for reloading, one for casting and another for gunsmithing.
As long as eventually there is room for Sharron to park her car I can utilis as much of the space as I need.
yeah im having withdrawls as well, I havnt even fired my 30-30. Well fired it since I've owned it.
Might go for a possum poach next weekend haha
jono035
28th June 2010, 10:31
Yeah, same here, would definitely like to let off a few rounds somewhere.
Mr Merde
28th June 2010, 10:34
yeah im having withdrawls as well, I havnt even fired my 30-30. Well fired it since I've owned it.
Might go for a possum poach next weekend haha
I'm waiting for some reloading dies to arrive from Magnum Imports (Wayne Chapman is brilliant to deal with) for my 32-40. Once they get here I am going to load up a large ammount of ammo for this rifle. then settle down and learn how uit shoots.
Similar with my Trapdoor and the Rolling block.
Tank
28th June 2010, 10:42
So anyone done any shooting this weekend..
A little - not as much as the last few weekends. Popped out to the range on Sunday and did some silhouette targets with a .45 only out there for an hour.
Actually was good to have a break - first Sunday my wife has seen me for about 5 weeks. Shooting tomorrow at CSI.
Mr Merde
28th June 2010, 10:48
A little - not as much as the last few weekends. Popped out to the range on Sunday and did some silhouette targets with a .45 only out there for an hour.
Actually was good to have a break - first Sunday my wife has seen me for about 5 weeks. Shooting tomorrow at CSI.
You just made me jealous.
Talked with my youngest son via e-mail last week. He is comming over to live with me once I have his citizenship papers in order.
He expressed a strong interest in me teaching him how to shoot.
He is 19 yo 20 in Jan. Will be good to get him involved.
He used to help me clean my pistols in the UK when he was only 5 years old. He learnt safe handliung then.
jono035
28th June 2010, 10:49
A little - not as much as the last few weekends. Popped out to the range on Sunday and did some silhouette targets with a .45 only out there for an hour.
Actually was good to have a break - first Sunday my wife has seen me for about 5 weeks. Shooting tomorrow at CSI.
Which range were you at shooting silhouettes? APC?
Tank
28th June 2010, 10:50
He expressed a strong interest in me teaching him how to shoot.
My 13 yo comes shooting with me most times - you just cannot put a price on spending time and bonding with your son. Best thing ever.
Tank
28th June 2010, 10:52
Which range were you at shooting silhouettes? APC?
I assume that silhouettes is the correct term - cardboard shapes approx torso size on sticks (they did not have actual pictures etc on them). - Was shooting at the Navy Pistol range.
Was doing stuff like - double tap first target on one knee - then triple tap the second and third targets standing.
Sometimes they have more active targets that drop when shot - also a ton of fun.
jono035
28th June 2010, 10:54
I assume that silhouettes is the correct term - cardboard shapes approx torso size on sticks (they did not have actual pictures etc on them). - Was shooting at the Navy Pistol range.
Was doing stuff like - double tap first target on one knee - then triple tap the second and third targets standing.
Sometimes they have more active targets that drop when shot - also a ton of fun.
Oh, right, I've always just heard those called cardboard targets or torsos, I immediately thought you meant metallic silhouette which I've been wanting to have a play with. I've got no idea what the correct terminology is though.
So I take it you're a navy guy then in order to have access to that range?
Tank
28th June 2010, 11:03
Nope - not Navy - 100% civilian baby. Does pay to be very nice to the forces lads tho'
Swoop
28th June 2010, 12:25
I immediately thought you meant metallic silhouette which I've been wanting to have a play with. I've got no idea what the correct terminology is though.
HMS.
Handgun Metallic Silhouette (http://www.ihmsa.org/). A sport you can compete in while laying down.
jono035
28th June 2010, 13:09
HMS.
Handgun Metallic Silhouette (http://www.ihmsa.org/). A sport you can compete in while laying down.
I meant for the cardboard torso targets but yeah, that looks like my kinda thing...
Wolf
28th June 2010, 13:16
Jono likes doing things while laying down...
or so his boyfriend tells us...
jono035
28th June 2010, 13:17
Jono likes doing things while laying down...
or so his boyfriend tells us...
Now, now... Jealousy is unbecoming...
The Pastor
28th June 2010, 13:33
I want / need to get a pig for a function on the 25th of next month (Im getting baptized and you're all welcome to come). Thinking about doing a guided hunt as they are about the same price as buying a pig.
Can anyone recommend anyone? Anywhere north island is ok with me.
Mr Merde
28th June 2010, 14:17
...... (Im getting baptized and you're all welcome to come). .....
You never struck me as the religous type RM.
I always thought the only sort of preying you did was on young girls
Wolf
28th June 2010, 14:37
Now he's intending on preying on wild pig - hope his luck is better than with the young girls...
sAsLEX
28th June 2010, 17:08
Did a big tidy up on the garage this weekend. Now have all my shooting stuff on one side. Now to sort it out and build a reloading bench.
.
Heard today that one of the club members lost a bit of finger after a primer went, and let off a whole bunch more in sympathy.
Remember to be safe everyone!
sAsLEX
28th June 2010, 20:27
More mosins!
<img src=http://www.guncity.co.nz/site/images/110357.jpg>
http://www.guncity.co.nz/mosin-nagant-ww2-russian-rifle-unissued-xidp164726.html
Mr Merde
29th June 2010, 08:12
Putting up pictures like that only encourages Indy in his solo activities.
Swoop
29th June 2010, 08:21
Looks like a lot of scrap metal to me. What are they? Fishing sinkers?
jono035
29th June 2010, 08:28
I stand behind my javelin theory...
Swoop
29th June 2010, 08:56
Top US court extends gun owners' rights (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=10655186).
WASHINGTON - The top US court, in a blow to gun control advocates, has ruled that Americans throughout the United States have the right to own a gun.
The ruling by a narrowly divided Supreme Court said states and cities cannot bar Americans from owning firearms.
It builds on a case decided two years ago in which the court found that the city of Washington's ban on handguns violated the US Constitution's guarantee of the "right to keep and bear arms".
The earlier ruling applied only to Washington, a federal district with a unique legal standing.
The ruling effectively expands that decision to prevent states and other cities from imposing similar rules.
The court was divided along ideological lines, with five conservative and moderate justices in favour of gun rights and the four liberals opposed.
Among the justices dissenting was John Paul Stevens, on his final day on the court after more than 34 years.
Comparing the ruling to the Washington case, he said it "could prove far more destructive - quite literally - to our nation's communities and to our constitutional structure".
While the ruling prevents outright bans, Justice Samuel Alito, writing for the court, said the constitutional guarantee does not eliminate the ability of states and cities "to devise solutions to social problems that suit local needs and values".
More cases are likely to determine what gun control laws are acceptable. Washington already faces a lawsuit over the restrictions it imposed after its ban was rejected.
The case was brought by gun rights proponents who challenged gun control laws in Chicago and its suburb of Oak Park, Illinois, where handguns have been banned for almost 30 years.
The Brady Center to Prevent Gun violence, an advocacy group, says those laws appear to be the country's last remaining outright bans.
Monday's decision came as the Senate began hearings on President Barack Obama's nominee to the Supreme Court, Elena Kagan.
Even if Kagan were confirmed, as is expected, she would be unlikely to shift the balance of the court, because she would replace Stevens, a liberal who is retiring.
The Pastor
29th June 2010, 10:07
By the end of the war, approximately 17.4 million M91/30 rifles had been produced.
We also have the rarer Hex receiver models available at an extra $100. Please specify if you would like a hex receiver model.
even at 10% of 17 million, i'd hardly call that rare.
The Pastor
29th June 2010, 10:08
By the end of the war, approximately 17.4 million M91/30 rifles had been produced.
We also have the rarer Hex receiver models available at an extra $100. Please specify if you would like a hex receiver model.
even at 10% of 17 million, i'd hardly call that rare.
Quasievil
29th June 2010, 11:00
By the end of the war, approximately 17.4 million M91/30 rifles had been produced.
We also have the rarer Hex receiver models available at an extra $100. Please specify if you would like a hex receiver model.
even at 10% of 17 million, i'd hardly call that rare.
Good Google useless idiot
The Pastor
29th June 2010, 11:10
Good Google useless idiot
lol what?
jono035
29th June 2010, 12:08
lol what?
dunno, I missed that one too... To be fair, they did say 'rarer', not actually rare :D
Tank
29th June 2010, 18:15
Shooting at CSI this evening - if any of you shoot there - see you tonight, Ill be the guy in the "Pakehas know how to party" t-shirt (if there is more than one with that shirt - well it would be embarrassing for a start)
The Pastor
30th June 2010, 13:27
Brought myself some 22 ammo today,
a brick of CCI supsonic hollow point (dont care much for HP, didnt see any standard bullets with subsonic loads)
and 20 rounds of CCI shot shell, mainly for curiosity reasons! http://www.guncity.co.nz/cci-22-lr-shotshell-12-shot-xidp217437.html I think this will be pretty weak in actually killing small game - i'll report back and let you know. Its got a small plastic dome on top of the bullet filled with tiney shot (#12) would this explode on impact? or fire like a shotgun? If it explodes on impact it might be useful for possum/rabbit but if not, it'll be limited to sparrows i rekon haha!
also saw this for sale http://www.guncity.co.nz/22lr-cci-segmented-40gr-subsonic-xidp229205.html
Now those i should of gotten over the shotshell but they were $150/brick so i said naaa but the reviews online are pretty good.
http://www.snipercentral.com/forums//viewtopic.php?t=24932&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=68b44e1678f35ed22c024d14df31e18f
the pic of the mellon showing 4 small exit points are most interesting. Imo for small game this is exactly what you want, wide spread damage and little penetration. No point punching a nice small round hole in an animal, gotta kill it quickly.
The Pastor
30th June 2010, 13:30
also saw this, could maybe benefit hunters? http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10655476 dunno tho
Mr Merde
30th June 2010, 13:55
Bored today are you RM?
The Pastor
30th June 2010, 14:07
nope, got to work almost 2hrs late and been real busy
Mr Merde
30th June 2010, 14:13
I know that feeling.
Not the late part but definitely the busy.
So far I have 40 hours of overtime booked due to the supecity IT work that must be done. On top of that next Wednesday and Thursday I have to work from 7:30 am until midnight each day.
First 8 hours here at work then until midnight in Auckalnd council hq.
I'm feeling a lirttle kn ackered
The Pastor
30th June 2010, 14:58
drugs seem to work well, now if only you knew somone who had access to them....
Quasievil
30th June 2010, 17:07
drugs seem to work well, now if only you knew somone who had access to them....
So you have access to drugs and firearms?
Interesting
The Pastor
30th June 2010, 17:41
so you have access to drugs and firearms?
Interesting
and niggas
The Pastor
30th June 2010, 17:48
So you have access to drugs and firearms?
Interesting
You can't troll me f00l
scumdog
30th June 2010, 17:49
So you have access to drugs and firearms?
Interesting
Hell yeah, they're a natural mix.
Like motorbikes and booze!:shifty::blink:
Wolf
30th June 2010, 21:33
Fitted a scope to my trusty little Brno today, roughly bore-sighted it. Now need some place where I can set up a rest and properly zero it. Any idea of a good zero range for .22 subsonic? So that for a decent depth of useful ranges the bullet's hitting within an inch or so of where the sights are lined up. Also, any idea of a place around the Waikato where I can actually go out and do the zeroing, now that the "Onewhero Range" is closed?
Also getting ready to strip the varnish off the stock and steam out the dents, rub in some linseed oil.
Winston001
30th June 2010, 21:38
Actually chaps I've always fancied a Desert Eagle. Where am I going to get one of those suckers....?? And now that I think of it, an AK47, not cos its good, but because its an icon. :2thumbsup
jono035
30th June 2010, 21:52
Actually chaps I've always fancied a Desert Eagle. Where am I going to get one of those suckers....?? And now that I think of it, an AK47, not cos its good, but because its an icon. :2thumbsup
Desert Eagle = $3-4k, same requirements as other pistols. I know a guy who has a couple and has found the .50AE ones to be a pain because they can't be fired at the CSI range. .50AE has the same rim size as .44mag so same bolt, just new barrel and mag needed.
Wolf: All subsonic rounds have pretty much the same trajectory which is 4" down from the bore-line at 50m. 25m is 1" down, 35m is 2" down so a 25m zero will give you everything from 0-35m within 1".
Thanks for that, Jono.
Just been doing a bit of reading on Lt Col. Jeff Cooper and come up with the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scout_Rifle
Any thoughts on the pluses and minuses of such a firearm?
The Pastor
1st July 2010, 09:39
why do you want it?
jono035
1st July 2010, 09:48
Bear in mind that this was an idea put forward 30 years ago. It's basically the same thing as a lot of hunting rifles for bush-bashing. Big caliber, short, light, low-magnification scope, sometimes open scope mounts to use existing iron sights.
The only things that are different are the long eye relief scope which isn't needed with a magazine-fed rifle.
Doesn't seem like anything special to me, but then again this is 30 years afterwards...
I like the specs - short enough not to get tangled in scrub, not too heavy to carry (I'm an old fart), still capable of bringing down decent-sized game, reliable (bolt action, not these newfangled semi-autos). On the minus side I can see harsher perceived recoil (again, I'm an old fart).
And might be useful in the Zombie Apocalypse...
The Pastor
1st July 2010, 09:57
I like the specs - short enough not to get tangled in scrub, not too heavy to carry (I'm an old fart), still capable of bringing down decent-sized game, reliable (bolt action, not these newfangled semi-autos). On the minus side I can see harsher perceived recoil (again, I'm an old fart).
And might be useful in the Zombie Apocalypse...
sounds like you need a 30-30
It's basically the same thing as a lot of hunting rifles for bush-bashing.
True. It pretty much has described what I've thought of as the ideal "bush-basher" - something that won't hang up in every tree and liana that I can comfortably carry for hours over heavy terrain (the latter of which describes my little Brno) but can bring down deer/goat (which I would not rely on the Brno to do.)
Doesn't seem like anything special to me, but then again this is 30 years afterwards...
Yep, 30 years of derivatives of said "Scout Rifle" used by hunters that grew sick of lugging 4kg of hunting rifle through dense scrub. No doubt it was innovative at the time, but "old hat" now.
jono035
1st July 2010, 10:01
Yeah, a standard Tikka T3 lite hits the edge of those criteria. 1m OAL, 2.7kg. Lopping off a few inches off the end of the barrel and using a slightly faster burning powder would get you similar amounts of muzzle blast and recoil at slightly reduced energy, but not enough to make any difference at bush-basher type ranges.
jono035
1st July 2010, 10:02
sounds like you need a 30-30
Yeah, because you're getting so much use out of yours? :P
sounds like you need a 30-30
Been put off the .30-30 by association with one bloke* who favoured it. Pity, 'coz it's a damned nice rifle.
*former long term friend, friendship terminated due to him doing something I find... hmmm, somehow "repugnant" is far too mild a term - does not quite convey the way my skin crawls and blood boils simultaneously. Suffice to say, an I live a thousand years and not see him in all that time, 'twould be too soon.
but not enough to make any difference at bush-basher type ranges.
Yep, where I've hunted, it's rare to have to shoot at anything beyond 450m - if you can see even that far in NZ bush, you're probably looking across a valley. Personally, I don't need something with the range and accuracy to knock the USS Enterprise out of orbit.
The Pastor
1st July 2010, 10:09
Yeah, because you're getting so much use out of yours? :P
organising a hunt today actually....
The Pastor
1st July 2010, 10:12
Been put off the .30-30 by association with one bloke* who favoured it. Pity, 'coz it's a damned nice rifle.
*former long term friend, friendship terminated due to him doing something I find... hmmm, somehow "repugnant" is far too mild a term - does not quite convey the way my skin crawls and blood boils simultaneously. Suffice to say, an I live a thousand years and not see him in all that time, 'twould be too soon.
a 30-30 should be able to hit a deer size target at 450m. my 308me was getting mellon size groups at 400m and im a terriable shot!
jono035
1st July 2010, 10:14
a 30-30 should be able to hit a deer size target at 450m. my 308me was getting mellon size groups at 400m and im a terriable shot!
Hmmm, I thought the 30-30 was much shorter range than that... I guess there is a big difference between the rubber point or round-nose bullets though.
im a terriable shot!
I know, I've watched you. :devil2:
The Pastor
1st July 2010, 11:27
Hmmm, I thought the 30-30 was much shorter range than that... I guess there is a big difference between the rubber point or round-nose bullets though.
it wont be sub moa at that range, but a deer is a big target.
jono035
1st July 2010, 11:28
it wont be sub moa at that range, but a deer is a big target.
True, but it has also lost a ton of energy at that range...
Edit: +/-3" max point blank is about 200 yards. I can't find anyone referring to using it for anything beyond 200 yards... At 400 yards it has 60" of drop...
It looks like at 300 yards it has lost half its energy... Looks like anything more than 200m is asking a bit much but of course that's entirely from the numbers... I guess you also said hit the deer, nothing about the bullet then bouncing straight off :D
The Pastor
1st July 2010, 11:51
True, but it has also lost a ton of energy at that range...
Edit: +/-3" max point blank is about 200 yards. I can't find anyone referring to using it for anything beyond 200 yards... At 400 yards it has 60" of drop...
It looks like at 300 yards it has lost half its energy... Looks like anything more than 200m is asking a bit much but of course that's entirely from the numbers... I guess you also said hit the deer, nothing about the bullet then bouncing straight off :D
you can get the 3030 lever evolution ammo now, its pretty potent :)
I guess you also said hit the deer, nothing about the bullet then bouncing straight off :D
For once Hal won't have to worry about that "bummer birthmark"...
Mr Merde
1st July 2010, 14:47
I want one of these. If they were good enough for George Armstrong Custer and the 7th Cavalry then they are good enoug for me. Pity GAC didnt take a few on his last ride.
Hotchkiss 37mm revolving cannon, efective range 2000 yards, max range 4000 yards. Solid steel or explosive shells.
My pulse is racing.
Surely scaled down to a rifle calibre it would be fun and easier than a gatling to make.
http://www.weaponscache.com/forum/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=2149
http://www.weaponscache.com/forum/gallery/displayimage.php?imageid=2147
Here is an animated view of one operating. Note the few actaul moving parts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkOP8Lwdmgg&feature=player_embedded
Drunken Monkey
1st July 2010, 15:10
I like the specs - short enough not to get tangled in scrub, not too heavy to carry (I'm an old fart), still capable of bringing down decent-sized game, reliable (bolt action, not these newfangled semi-autos). On the minus side I can see harsher perceived recoil (again, I'm an old fart).
And might be useful in the Zombie Apocalypse...
Bah, keep the bolty for that "reach-out-and-touch-someone" long range shot that must be made. Otherwise a SOCOM spec M1A/M14 is much more fun as a scout rifle. Quick follow up shots and box magazines are especially important for the Zombie Apocalypse. Plus the recoil isn't so harsh with some of the energy going to cycling that action.
Then that means I'm running around with two firearms totalling around 6kg or so in the midst of Zombie Apocalypse - would slow me down and my braaiiiinz will be eaten for sure.
BTW, boltys can have box mags, too. Get the right one you can even have the option of speed-loading the mag in situ with stripper clips. And a bolt action is plenty fast if need be...
Drunken Monkey
1st July 2010, 15:24
Then that means I'm running around with two firearms totalling around 6kg or so in the midst of Zombie Apocalypse - would slow me down and my braaiiiinz will be eaten for sure.
Wah???? I wouldn't go outside my barricade with less than 4 firearms!! You're CRAZY dude!
Neshi
1st July 2010, 15:31
I want one of these. If they were good enough for George Armstrong Custer and the 7th Cavalry then they are good enoug for me. Pity GAC didnt take a few on his last ride.
Hotchkiss 37mm revolving cannon, efective range 2000 yards, max range 4000 yards. Solid steel or explosive shells.
My pulse is racing.
Surely scaled down to a rifle calibre it would be fun and easier than a gatling to make.
If I remember correctly those things were a bitch to fire, rotate that arm too quick or too slow and the thing would jam.
Mr Merde
1st July 2010, 15:35
So you remember the 1870's then?
I think it was the Gatling that jammed often not the Hotchkiss.
The Pastor
1st July 2010, 15:43
would anyone care to join me on a guided hunt (if indy cant make it - hes got first dibs!)? Shooting for dear - meat or trophy. Its very expensive but this guy is really good, his focus is on training bush skills - tracking, how to hunt, shot placement, butchery etc leaving on friday night the 16th and returning on Sunday the 17th. Everything is provided. It'll be on a donation basis - as much as you can/ want to afford give. PM me if keen there is a chance here for a very cheap guided hunt :P (just not for me hahahaha)
Neshi
1st July 2010, 15:52
re-incarnation eh!
Nah.. I've read about it.. So the term remembering still applies.
section from Home Front Heroes: a biographical dictionary of Americans during wartime
The American Government did not embrace Hotchkiss' gun, citing several problems with its design and performance. Like its predecessor, the Gatling gun, a crank operated Hotchkiss' machine gun that limited its rate of fire and made it more prone to jamming. Also, Hotchkiss designed the weapon soon after Hiram Stevens Maxim introduced his more popular machine gun. Hotchkiss was quite unpopular back in those days with his guns and other weapon designs were usually preferred, like Vickers and Lewis, Springfield single-shot rifles, Lee magazine rifles and the aforementioned Hiram Stevens Maxim.
Hotchkiss would not live to see his design develop into full fruition. Following his death his French company continued to improve his machine gun design. By 1895 they had simplified its mechanics and made it lighter and gas-operated. [...] Since the gun was made for mobility, it was a bipod rather than a tripod, it proved less accurate than the Lewis gun and was not accepted by the U.S. military until 1909.
jono035
1st July 2010, 15:58
would anyone care to join me on a guided hunt (if indy cant make it - hes got first dibs!)? Shooting for dear - meat or trophy. Its very expensive but this guy is really good, his focus is on training bush skills - tracking, how to hunt, shot placement, butchery etc leaving on friday night the 16th and returning on Sunday the 17th. Everything is provided. It'll be on a donation basis - as much as you can/ want to afford give. PM me if keen there is a chance here for a very cheap guided hunt :P (just not for me hahahaha)
I'd be keen for that. Apparently you've exceeded your PM allowance or something...
sAsLEX
1st July 2010, 17:07
Wah???? I wouldn't go outside my barricade with less than 4 firearms!! You're CRAZY dude!
Only 4?
A couple of P220 .45ACP on the thighs,
<img src=http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/a/a4/SigP220Black.jpg/400px-SigP220Black.jpg>
an MP-10 in a chest harness,
<img src=http://remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/mp5/mp510/mp510.gif>
couple of shot guns on the back
<img src=http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/benelli_m4_1.jpg>
and a nice long rifle whilst they are still a distance away that would be the minimum.
<img src=http://www.rpainternational.co.uk/images/rifles/lifestyle/rm50_lifestyle01.jpg>
The 38-40 would be on the bike using its saddle ring for mobile defence.
<img src=http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/7/78/WinchesterModel1892.jpg/800px-WinchesterModel1892.jpg>
Drunken Monkey
1st July 2010, 17:15
Only 4?
No, not only 4, but no less than 4 !
The Pastor
1st July 2010, 17:26
I'd be keen for that. Apparently you've exceeded your PM allowance or something...
what can i say, im a popular guy.
I've cleared my box so try again :)
Only 4?
A couple of P220 .45ACP on the thighs,
<img src=http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/a/a4/SigP220Black.jpg/400px-SigP220Black.jpg>
an MP-10 in a chest harness,
<img src=http://remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/mp5/mp510/mp510.gif>
couple of shot guns on the back
<img src=http://world.guns.ru/shotgun/benelli_m4_1.jpg>
and a nice long rifle whilst they are still a distance away that would be the minimum.
<img src=http://www.rpainternational.co.uk/images/rifles/lifestyle/rm50_lifestyle01.jpg>
The 38-40 would be on the bike using its saddle ring for mobile defence.
<img src=http://www.imfdb.org/images/thumb/7/78/WinchesterModel1892.jpg/800px-WinchesterModel1892.jpg>
My safety on Z-day is assured - I don't have to outrun the Zombies, I only have to outrun you... and that possiblity's looking good.
The Pastor
1st July 2010, 18:18
i reckon a sawn off pump 12g shottie would be the one to have on a bike.
Mr Merde
1st July 2010, 20:31
i reckon a sawn off pump 12g shottie would be the one to have on a bike.
Got you covered there
For the zomies I would load a few hundred rounds up with hydralic bullets.
Drilled into the bullet, filled with grease and sealed with a lead #2 piece of shot superglued in.
When it hits it explodes, take the heads of those mother bothering zombies.
Drunken Monkey
1st July 2010, 20:34
Looks like someone should order these for our next outing:
http://www.coolthings.com/zombie-poster-targets-let-you-shoot-the-undead-in-real-life/
Drunken Monkey
1st July 2010, 20:38
My safety on Z-day is assured - I don't have to outrun the Zombies, I only have to outrun you... and that possiblity's looking good.
Actually I believe it's already been modelled by a mathematician. Z (number of zombies) will exceed S (survivability) in approximately 3 days in a city of around 500,000 citizens. You number is up Wolf, it's all about how much you stretch it out and how much fun you have blowing away zombies whilst you wait for death...
Edit, no I found it. Z > S + R in 3 days, Z being Zombies, S being Suscepitbles and R being those Removed for Zombification (is that even a word?). The result is still, inevitably, death (well, undeath).
The Pastor
1st July 2010, 20:58
Got you covered there
For the zomies I would load a few hundred rounds up with hydralic bullets.
Drilled into the bullet, filled with grease and sealed with a lead #2 piece of shot superglued in.
When it hits it explodes, take the heads of those mother bothering zombies.
I want to get a shotgun press, i reckon if you load up a normal number 4 then fill the gaps in the shot with epoxy, you'd be onto a winner.
The Pastor
1st July 2010, 20:59
Actually I believe it's already been modelled by a mathematician. Z (number of zombies) will exceed S (survivability) in approximately 3 days in a city of around 500,000 citizens. You number is up Wolf, it's all about how much you stretch it out and how much fun you have blowing away zombies whilst you wait for death...
Edit, no I found it. Z > S + R in 3 days, Z being Zombies, S being Suscepitbles and R being those Removed for Zombification (is that even a word?). The result is still, inevitably, death (well, undeath).
but they didnt factor me into the equation.
Drunken Monkey
1st July 2010, 21:03
but they didnt factor me into the equation.
awww.....snap!
sAsLEX
1st July 2010, 21:07
Got you covered there
For the zomies I would load a few hundred rounds up with hydralic bullets.
Drilled into the bullet, filled with grease and sealed with a lead #2 piece of shot superglued in.
When it hits it explodes, take the heads of those mother bothering zombies.
<img src=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/06/Raufoss_NM140_MP_%28en%29.svg/650px-Raufoss_NM140_MP_%28en%29.svg.png>
This would be a touch better.....
I have also heard replacing the grease with mecury works well in the rounds you described.
sAsLEX
1st July 2010, 21:09
awww.....snap!
Which countries would do better?
England and Australia are fucked as no one can own weapons there.
The Swiss? Compulsory military training and weapon ownership?
They would do alright.
The Yanks?
The Pastor
1st July 2010, 21:15
kiwis would do alright due to low population, and high gun ownership / availablitiy.
The big countires have more guns, but also more zombies.
jono035
1st July 2010, 21:32
Yeah, the more remote areas of the states would do well... A few aussies would do ok if they could get to the outback. UK is utterly screwed.
I kinda gathered that the UK had already experienced Z-day years ago...
Looks like someone should order these for our next outing:
http://www.coolthings.com/zombie-poster-targets-let-you-shoot-the-undead-in-real-life/
Definitely. Most definitely.
Indiana_Jones
1st July 2010, 23:12
Tsk tsk, that diagram has leaders going back on themselves....just not on....
-Indy
Mr Merde
2nd July 2010, 08:26
Looks like someone should order these for our next outing:
http://www.coolthings.com/zombie-poster-targets-let-you-shoot-the-undead-in-real-life/
In this wonderful PC land of ours it is illegal to shoot any targets that in anyway resemble the human form. Unless you are a cop or a memeber of the armed forces. With the former you get to practice on civilians and innocent bystanders
In cowboy action shooting everywhere else they shoot a target like a cartoon cowboy. Here we are not allowed to as it could be construed by those watching that we are practicing to shoot peopole.
Could be worse I suppose. In Germany, video games arent allowed to show red blood. Its always coloured green over there.
Swoop
2nd July 2010, 11:02
Pity GAC didnt take a few on his last ride.
GC wasn't killed by Indians. The bean-counting dickheads got him.
Having to get his troops to hand in their repeating rifles prior to LBH wasn't the best of ideas.
scumdog
2nd July 2010, 11:28
GC wasn't killed by Indians. The bean-counting dickheads got him.
Having to get his troops to hand in their repeating rifles prior to LBH wasn't the best of ideas.
And not having battle-tested the rifles they DID have was worse.
Nothing like seeing a bad-tempered Indian on front of you and realising you couldn't extract the empty shell from the rifle you have to make you fill your dungarees I'd guess....:shit:
scumdog
2nd July 2010, 11:31
I want to get a shotgun press, i reckon if you load up a normal number 4 then fill the gaps in the shot with epoxy, you'd be onto a winner.
Nah dude, - open the crimp, tip the No.4 onto a saucer, heat it up a bit on the hot-plate, tip it back into the shell and pour molten wax over the shot until full.
Viola' - poor mans solid slug!:niceone:
The Pastor
2nd July 2010, 11:58
Nah dude, - open the crimp, tip the No.4 onto a saucer, heat it up a bit on the hot-plate, tip it back into the shell and pour molten wax over the shot until full.
Viola' - poor mans solid slug!:niceone:
wouldnt the wax melt when fired?
scumdog
2nd July 2010, 12:00
wouldnt the wax melt when fired?
Doubt it, the wad will protect it.
They do work, trust me.:yes:
(Well did years ago - when I didn't know who stocked solid slugs.)
Mr Merde
2nd July 2010, 12:39
Doubt it, the wad will protect it.
They do work, trust me.:yes:
(Well did years ago - when I didn't know who stocked solid slugs.)
So many signs of a misspent youth, gladdens my heart that us older persons have made it thus far. ;-)
In this wonderful PC land of ours it is illegal to shoot any targets that in anyway resemble the human form.
One of the local online paintball stores sells targets with realistic images of terrorists in various poses - one could argue that for paintball, of course you're "practising to shoot people", that's the whole bloody idea.
sAsLEX
2nd July 2010, 13:00
In this wonderful PC land of ours it is illegal to shoot any targets that in anyway resemble the human form. Unless you are a cop or a memeber of the armed forces. With the former you get to practice on civilians and innocent bystanders
Here is the bugger we normally use.
<img src=http://www.owrpc.co.uk/Applications/Fig11.jpg>
Mr Merde
2nd July 2010, 13:23
Here is the bugger we normally use.
<img src=http://www.owrpc.co.uk/Applications/Fig11.jpg>
I know but you arent a civilian
jono035
2nd July 2010, 13:26
Most of the heating of a bullet is due to the friction with the barrel, not the propellant charge. I went through and figured it out and a bullet that is exposed to a few thousand degrees for a couple of milliseconds only rises in temperature by 30-40 degrees from memory. With a shotgun you wouldn't get that at all.
The Pastor
2nd July 2010, 13:34
Most of the heating of a bullet is due to the friction with the barrel, not the propellant charge. I went through and figured it out and a bullet that is exposed to a few thousand degrees for a couple of milliseconds only rises in temperature by 30-40 degrees from memory. With a shotgun you wouldn't get that at all.
so the wax would melt?
jono035
2nd July 2010, 13:37
so the wax would melt?
Not in a shotgun, no. At worst I'd guess it would fragment a little or mash down and smear along the barrel depending on what the diameter of the barrel is. From my understanding the barrel diameter varies quite a lot.
Scumdog: Did you ever notice any wax left along the inside of the barrel or anything?
Either way, something to try out, for sure.
Swoop
2nd July 2010, 13:44
I was always led to believe that the troops were re-issued rifles they were already familiar with. (?)
Nothing like seeing a bad-tempered Indian in front of you...
A few of the dairy owners in town would provide some good training opportunities nowadays. :whistle:
scumdog
2nd July 2010, 14:21
Unless you are a cop or a memeber of the armed forces. With the former you get to practice on civilians and innocent bystanders.
Tongue-in-cheek I hope?
Our targets don't look to dang 'innocent' what with the sawn-off shottie and balaclava and the menacing stance...
jono035
2nd July 2010, 14:28
Tongue-in-cheek I hope?
Our targets don't look to dang 'innocent' what with the sawn-off shottie and balaclava and the menacing stance...
The targets? No.
The people who end up getting shot? Sometimes, yes.
scumdog
2nd July 2010, 14:30
The targets? No.
The people who end up getting shot? Sometimes, yes.
Explain the 'sometimes' - it sounds like you mean more than once....
jono035
2nd July 2010, 14:39
Explain the 'sometimes' - it sounds like you mean more than once....
I'm aware of 3 cases in recent history, the obvious being Naitoko. I'm afraid I don't know any more about the others apart from hearing them mentioned in a conversation on the subject that I wasn't really paying much attention to. One had something to do with a water buffalo (the main reason I remember it...).
I'm not looking to start a flamewar on the subject, I just thought it was a valid dig is all...
scumdog
2nd July 2010, 14:43
I'm aware of 3 cases in recent history, the obvious being Naitoko. I'm afraid I don't know any more about the others apart from hearing them mentioned in a conversation on the subject that I wasn't really paying much attention to. One had something to do with a water buffalo (the main reason I remember it...).
I'm not looking to start a flamewar on the subject, I just thought it was a valid dig is all...
Naitoko is the only one I can recall in NZ - but could be wrong.
jono035
2nd July 2010, 14:45
Naitoko is the only one I can recall in NZ - but could be wrong.
That was the only one that I remember from the news, the others were personal accounts from people who knew those involved. I make a habit of not watching the news for the most part...
scumdog
2nd July 2010, 15:14
That was the only one that I remember from the news, the others were personal accounts from people who knew those involved. I make a habit of not watching the news for the most part...
Unfortunately I have found that 'personal accounts from people who knew those involved' have an alarming parallel to Hans Christian Anderson and his accounts..
jono035
2nd July 2010, 15:25
Unfortunately I have found that 'personal accounts from people who knew those involved' have an alarming parallel to Hans Christian Anderson and his accounts..
Hence why I was loathe to mention them. If the people involved wish to provide more details they will, I'm pretty sure they'll read this at some point.
Well, today I finished stripping the varnish off my trusty 452 ZKM and made the first application of linseed oil. One thing you can say about Česká zbrojovka (over in Uherský Brod in the Česká republika) is that they don't skimp on the varnish - it took quite a bit of work to get it all off and I think I may need a month of intensive massage therapy and acupuncture to unknot my arm muscles.
Looks really good with the the oil so far - mixed up some boiled linseed oil and turpentine (2:1) which soaked in really well. Will give it a few applications of that over the next few days then will start rubbing in the neat linseed oil (then I really will need some serious massage and acupuncture).
It's come up a fair bit darker than when it was varnished.
Oh, and it smells divine. Love the smell of linseed oil.
Indiana_Jones
7th July 2010, 18:59
Oh, and it smells divine. Love the smell of linseed oil.
FAP FAP FAP FAP
-Indy
Oh, Indy, you're just jealous that your house doesn't smell of freshly-applied linseed oil...
Now all I need is some of my favourite gun oil to wipe the action with - it smells divine, too.
sAsLEX
7th July 2010, 21:44
Oh, Indy, you're just jealous that your house doesn't smell of freshly-applied linseed oil...
Now all I need is some of my favourite gun oil to wipe the action with - it smells divine, too.
Eau de BreakFree
"Young's 303", actually - smells better than Chanel #5...
If you ever need a sex therapist who's handy in a fire fight - or conversely a shooting buddy who knows more about sex than the self-styled experts on sexual matters that you normally hang out with - you can't go wrong with Dr Ruth (http://www.snopes.com/medical/doctor/drruth.asp) - sex therapist and trained sniper.
Mr Merde
7th July 2010, 23:25
Just a little hint mate.
Raw Linseed and turpentine about 50/50 to seal the wood. Takes about a week or two of rubbing it in.
Soak it in then when it goes tacky then rub it in
When you can get no more to soak in then let it dry for a day or twon then start rubbing in the boiled linseed. Just a few drops on your hand will rub in all over. Let it go tacky they rub it with a piece of old wool carpet or some linen.
Repaet for a couple of weeks.
This is how I did the Rolling Block.
Another thought. Try and get proper boiled linseed. The modern stuff you get in the diy shops has been chemically boiled. You dont get the sheen from that as much as you do from proper boiled linseed.
Chris
Cheers, Chris.
Where does one get proper boiled linseed - just checked and mine's definitely chemically boiled.
jono035
8th July 2010, 08:07
Seeing as you like the smell so much, raw linseed oil + pot + stove? :P
Mr Merde
8th July 2010, 08:15
Seeing as you like the smell so much, raw linseed oil + pot + stove? :P
Dangerous
Linseed has a very low flash point.
You will need to look around for real boiled linseed. Try cabinet makers, french polishers supplies etc.
The chemically boiled will give you a lovely sheen but not as deep as that imparted by proper boiled linseed.
Also once you have finished you should rub about a half of a teaspoons worth in to the woodwork every 3-6 months.
Just keeps the nice sheen vibrant.
Seeing as you like the smell so much, raw linseed oil + pot + stove? :P
That had crossed my mind...
Dangerous
Linseed has a very low flash point.
And so had that.
It was the "wash brushes and cloths then air them thoroughly before storing or disposal - cloths may become spontaneously combustible" warning on the bottle that tipped me off that I was dealing with something pretty dangerous...
Cheers for the advice, Chris, I guess I have a couple of weeks (during which time I'll be applying raw linseed/turpentine mix) in which to locate some proper boiled linseed.
Mr Merde
8th July 2010, 10:46
....
Cheers for the advice, Chris, I guess I have a couple of weeks (during which time I'll be applying raw linseed/turpentine mix) in which to locate some proper boiled linseed.
I spent about 2 months getting the rolling block ready before I started on the boiled linseed.
You want to apply as much of the raw/turps as possible up to the point where it doesnt absorb any more and after a couple of days resting it is still tacky. Dont forget to use a piece of woolen carpet to rub the stock when it is tacky. This works the mixture into the grain.
Another hint--
during this process the wood fibres may lift so with a very fine pice of sand paper just give it a quick wisk. A piece of glass used as a scraper works wonderfully.
By doing this you will find that as well as having a lovely looking finish you will have that smooth as glass feel to it also
jono035
8th July 2010, 10:58
Ok, so raw linseed oil + pot + stove + old outhouse + video camera = youtube gold...
Mr Merde
8th July 2010, 11:07
Ok, so raw linseed oil + pot + stove + old outhouse + video camera = youtube gold...
If an impregnated cloth is capable of spontaneous combustion then adding a heat source has the possibility of mayhem
jono035
8th July 2010, 11:30
If an impregnated cloth is capable of spontaneous combustion then adding a heat source has the possibility of mayhem
Hence the video camera and youtube :D
during this process the wood fibres may lift so with a very fine pice of sand paper just give it a quick wisk.
Yep, had that happen with my Miroku lever years ago, some fine wet-and-dry while it was still wet with linseed made for a very smooth finish.
Swoop
8th July 2010, 13:47
A piece of glass used as a scraper works wonderfully.
A new stanley knife blade will do the same. Use it like a cabinet scraper.
biggles1
9th July 2010, 05:18
I am in the process of forming a gun collection of air pistols and have been buying up big time on trade me have so far gathered in 5 x P23 Gamos,6 x PT80'S and a Gamo V3 with holster in addition a brand new Gamo Shadowline Rifle 820f/ps with self loader.Anyone looking to sell send me a PM.
Good to see another collector. Small query: Why so many of the same makes/models? I've got a 'laundry list" of firearms I would love to own - given the money and appropriate licences - and no two are the same.
You also seem to have a nice "collection" of bikes...
The CZ'z stock is looking, feeling and smelling very nice so far - got some raw linseed and made up the 1:1 with turps as Chris suggested. Managed to get three applications on yesterday arvo while it was nice and warm outside. Gave it a rub down with some 600-grit "wet 'n' dry' between one application and the next and it smoothed up very well. Will get some finer paper for later once I've rubbed more oil into it.
I walk into the house and can instantly smell linseed oil. It's pervaded the house except for my bedroom - where the smell of bore cleaner overpowers it (dropped a cleaning swatch on my bed while cleaning the bore and action and the smell's stuck around). On the whole, the house smells like an armoury. Boys'll come home from their mum's and wonder what the weird mix of smells is.
Need to set up the press in the lounge and load up some shells just to ensure there's the smell of unburned BP in the house as well :D
Looking forward to when she's all finished and reassembled.
Mr Merde
9th July 2010, 11:41
WOlf,
Just keep at it. Rub the mixure in every night. then leave it to soak in for about 12 hours, rub some more in. Eventually it will get to a stage where it cant absorb any more. You then let it dry and start by hand rubbing the woodwork. The mixture will get worm and soakin a bit more. Let it dry off then start with the boiled linseed. About a teaspoon full at a time hand rubbed into the wood should provide enough for the whole stock. Rub it in let it settle for a few hours 12 approx) then repeat. This will build upthe depth of finish that is so nice to look at.
As I said it took me a couple of months to achieve what I now think of as just a passable finish on the rolling block.
I'm looking aroud for a new project now.
Just had some plans sent to me from the US.
Working plans and instructions on building a Gatling gun. All the engineering instructions etc.
Both for a .22 model and a copy of the 1905 Colt Galing gun in .30 calibre.
No woodwork but lots of lovely brass.
Chris
Chris.
Just so's we're on the same page, here, how do you recommend applying the mixture?
What I've been doing is applying it to the stock with a brush, letting it dry to "tacky" then rubbing it with a cloth. That's what I did three times yesterday and a number of times the other day with boiled linseed/turps mix.
Do you use/recommend a different way of applying the mixture?
When I did the rub with the wet 'n' dry paper, it was while the stock was still wet from a fresh application of the mixture then rubbed it dry and put on a fresh application of mix and let it dry to tacky then rubbed it in as before.
Mr Merde
9th July 2010, 13:23
Chris.
Just so's we're on the same page, here, how do you recommend applying the mixture?
What I've been doing is applying it to the stock with a brush, letting it dry to "tacky" then rubbing it with a cloth. That's what I did three times yesterday and a number of times the other day with boiled linseed/turps mix.
Do you use/recommend a different way of applying the mixture?
When I did the rub with the wet 'n' dry paper, it was while the stock was still wet from a fresh application of the mixture then rubbed it dry and put on a fresh application of mix and let it dry to tacky then rubbed it in as before.
Sounds like a good procedure. What the mixture is doing is sealing the grain. It should eventually soak completely through the wood. Check your butt with out the plate on and you will see it slowly start to meet from either side.
Try using 1200 wet and dry paper or a piece of glass to cut the wood fibres that stick out. You dont want to remove anywood just shave those whiskers that protrude, off.
You can probably go to twice a day for the application of the mixture as it does need time to really soak in.
I bet you have the beginnings of a really deep shine on the wood now. Just wait it gets better. It will also get darker.
The application of the boiled linseed build up on the surface and gives an impression of depth to the whole project.
English finish is what we are doing here and is traditionally only done on the best firearms.
Once finished any knocks or bruises will lift right out. If they dont then a little heat applied with a damp towel on the wood and an iron place on the cloth will lift them right out. Be carefull with the iron though as it is easy to burn the wood if applied to long. Just long enough to produce steam that does the work for you is good.
Chris
Yep, was planning on using 1200 grit for the next smoothing. Already got oil mix all over the butt so can't see how far the oil's penetrating. Definitely looking darker and the grain is showing up very nicely.
Mr Merde
9th July 2010, 15:13
Yep, was planning on using 1200 grit for the next smoothing. Already got oil mix all over the butt so can't see how far the oil's penetrating. Definitely looking darker and the grain is showing up very nicely.
In my youth, when I worked in London, I used to frequent the Holland and Holland, and Purdey workshops. I spent many hours drooling over the firearms there and the quality of the finish to the woodwork always ammazed me.
There is nothing quite loike a good example of the "English Finish".
This modern polyurethane stuff just leaves the wood looking like plastic (IMHO)
sAsLEX
9th July 2010, 17:03
No woodwork but lots of lovely brass.
Chris
Brightwork you mean....
In my youth, when I worked in London, I used to frequent the Holland and Holland, and Purdey workshops. I spent many hours drooling over the firearms there and the quality of the finish to the woodwork always ammazed me.
There is nothing quite loike a good example of the "English Finish".
This modern polyurethane stuff just leaves the wood looking like plastic (IMHO)
I have found a car for you Mr Merde....
<img src=http://www.landrovergeeks.com/sites/default/files/Dave/images/overfinch-gun-cabinets.jpg>
http://www.hollandandhollandoverfinch.com/
Here is the bugger we normally use.
<img src=http://www.owrpc.co.uk/Applications/Fig11.jpg>
Why is it called a Figure 11 ? Never understood that. the Other one was called a "Huns head
Stopped into a gun store this afternoon and had look at the "big sister" - CZ 550 in .308. VERY nice. It was the fully-wooded Mannlicher-style version (FS) - would prefer the Lux with the shorter "hog-back" stock like my 452. Price tag's a bit steep, tho'.
Also had a nostalgia trip - they've got an old Anschutz 520 (semi-auto .22) like the one I used to have - wished I could buy it just to do it up like I did up my original. And I spotted the distinctive shape of an old Stirling as well. Had a look at a CZ 452-2E Lux while I was there to refresh my memory as to what the varnished stock looks like. Mine definitely looks better already...
Drunken Monkey
9th July 2010, 19:22
Man, all this talk and not enough shooting. When's the next social???
Mr Merde
9th July 2010, 20:42
Why is it called a Figure 11 ? Never understood that. the Other one was called a "Huns head
Head and shoulder target is a #12 target.
Mr Merde
9th July 2010, 20:49
Today my 32-40 dies arrived.
Redding reloasding set. none in the country so Wayne at Magnum Imports got them sent over for me.
This man advertises stuff on Trade Me all the time and has a reasonable website. His service is second to none.
Ive probably dropped 6-700 his way over the pasrt few months and feel i have have real value for money.
So the rifle cost me $950, the brass (150 pieces) cost $320, the mould (custom made) $180 and now the dies $128.
My addiction to old rifles is costing me. Oh well you rate payers are subsidisng it for me.
Now to load up and pull the tit on this 100 year old rifle.
Bring it on.
My addiction to old rifles is costing me.
Nay, 'tis your addiction to rifles that fire these newfangled brass cartridges. If you stuck with muzzle-loaders, all you'd need worry about is a powder horn and measure and an appropriate mould...
Swoop
10th July 2010, 12:13
I have found a car for you Mr Merde....
http://www.hollandandhollandoverfinch.com/
Wasn't that on the last season of Top Gear?
Something stuck in my memory, that the manufacturer will refill the spirit cabinet for the first year or so??:apint:
jono035
10th July 2010, 13:24
Wasn't that on the last season of Top Gear?
Something stuck in my memory, that the manufacturer will refill the spirit cabinet for the first year or so??:apint:
Yeah, that's the one...
Mr Merde
10th July 2010, 15:09
Yeah, that's the one...
As much as I like it, it is not suitable for me as it has 4 wheeels and I am not and never have
been licenced to operate this type of vehicle. Not to say I havent either but its got 4 wheels.
Now if you can find me a bike to carry sll my shooters I would be in heaven
jono035
10th July 2010, 15:12
As much as I like it, it is not suitable for me as it has 4 wheeels and I am not and never have
been licenced to operate this type of vehicle. Not to say I havent either but its got 4 wheels.
Now if you can find me a bike to carry sll my shooters I would be in heaven
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Motorbikes/Classic-vintage/auction-262835049.htm
Plenty of space in the panniers for pistols, ammo, mags and extra stuff like cleaning gear, tools.
Sidecar for long arms.
I'm pretty sure you could fit every firearm you own in that thing, plus all your ammo and probably a decent chunk of your reloading gear!
Edit: or the more budget version, might need a little work to get it road-legal.
http://www.pyrocam.com/filez/go/STEVEDUNCANSIDECAR.jpg
Mr Merde
11th July 2010, 23:39
Ok boys here is some non shooting news.
Jono took a low side tyoday comming to visit with me. Bike went down on some gravel on the apex of a bend. Bike is only cosmetically damaged. Wish I could say the same for jon.
Picked him up by car and i rode his bike back my place. Elevated the foot and removed his boot. not a pretty sight. Sharron comes home takes one look and we are off to Counties care in Pukekohe. X ray show a spiral break of the fibular just above the ankle, the ankle is alo dislocated. So next we take him to middlemore. they poke around for a long while and transfer him to Auckland. Bone is definitely broken and the foot is out of alignment with hias leg.
Been in touch with him by text for a while now. he may be looking a 4 days in hospital waiting for a reduction in the swelling and then an operation to pin the broken bone and put the foot back in place. He probably will be looking at 3 months in a cast.
He has been cheerful about it a=nd I have been my usual piss taking self. Quite a serious injury.
I know he will be on the site soon so send him your best.
Chris
The Pastor
11th July 2010, 23:47
Oh snap!
guess that'll learn him not to ride like a girl ;)
Hope you get better soon jono
Mr Merde
12th July 2010, 00:02
Oh snap!
guess that'll learn him not to ride like a girl ;)
Hope you get better soon jono
He will appreciate your concern. ;-)
Wolf
12th July 2010, 01:26
Thanks for keeping us informed, Chris.
All the best, Jono, get better soon.
Indiana_Jones
12th July 2010, 08:12
Thanks for letting us know Chris.
I'm sure he'll fine in no time :)
-Indy
Mr Merde
12th July 2010, 08:30
Thanks for letting us know Chris.
I'm sure he'll fine in no time :)
-Indy
He has been transfered to Auckland hospital. As of midnight last night he was looking at a possible 4 days there waiting for the swelling to go down before they pin the bone.
Just text him to see if there is any news on what they intend doing to him.
If he is there for a while he will be getting very bored. Sure he would love a visit from some of you.
Mr Merde
12th July 2010, 09:41
Just heard from Jono.
They are going to put him under so that they can manipulate the leg and ankle under xray.
Resulst of this will tell them what they need to do to fix him.
He has managed a shower this morning so he feels more human and up beat.
Swoop
12th July 2010, 10:42
Bummer to hear about Jono. Hope he heals up quickly.
Some reading in the meantime. Firearm manuals galore!
http://www.devicemanuals.com/
Mr Merde
12th July 2010, 10:53
212661
As proof.
Jono in wheelchair, old fella pushin is none other than Merde his self
Indiana_Jones
12th July 2010, 12:07
<IMG SRC="http://library.thinkquest.org/07aug/01266/timmy.jpg">
TIMMY!
-Indy
Wolf
12th July 2010, 12:08
212661
As proof.
Jono in wheelchair, old fella pushin is none other than Merde his self
Ack, it's evil - it has 4 wheels, you could have at least got him a 2-wheeled one...
http://www.ento.com.au/images/HandTrucks/diagram29.jpg
:devil2:
The Pastor
12th July 2010, 13:20
http://photos.imageevent.com/motorbiker/newspics/harley-Training-Wheels.jpg
Looks like jono better get a set of these.
Drunken Monkey
12th July 2010, 17:45
212661
As proof.
Jono in wheelchair, old fella pushin is none other than Merde his self
Are you sure you guys have that the right way around? Shouldn't the young fella be pushing the old fella??
Mr Merde
12th July 2010, 18:30
Jono text me at 5:15 he has been under and they have set his leg. bloody sore but in a cast now. Should be home tomorrow. He also had his first food in 30 hours. He thought hospital food was wonderful. Amazing what hunger does.
Wolf
12th July 2010, 19:17
He thought hospital food was wonderful. Amazing what hunger does.
Has he been fasting for a month?!?
Mr Merde
13th July 2010, 16:27
Jono is out. He will be on this site as I have been winding him up that we are all taking the p1ss.
Welcome back the wounded soldier.
jono035
13th July 2010, 16:30
Hey, thank's for the well wishes everyone, really meant a lot to me.
Looks like for all the doom and gloom prophecies from the various doctors about week long hospital stays and plates/screws and a loose ankle mortise they've decided that it's most likely going to be fine with 6 weeks in a cast. 2 weeks in plaster then I'll get a check up at the hospital. If it isn't better by then, they'll bring me in and plate it. If it is better, I can go into a fibreglass half-cast and a moon boot. Score.
Anyway, good to be back and thanks again to everyone.
The Pastor
13th July 2010, 16:36
http://motorcycles.about.com/od/howtostartridin1/ss/How_To_Ride.htm
jono035
13th July 2010, 16:46
yeah, yeah, I'm quite aware that I utterly noobed it. I broke one of my cardinal rules: If you can't indicate for a few seconds before doing it, you shouldn't be doing it. I was heading to Chris's place, went past the turnoff, saw one to Pokeno and thought 'crap, I've gone too far', so quickly indicated and turned in. Because it was a snap decision, I wasn't looking ahead and went straight into a pile of gravel while on the front brake. Let off but not enough, front wheel went down, went for a slide on my palms while my foot stayed under the bike.
My foot was the only injury, massive hit to the knee as it went down with the bike which was a little bruised, but the armor soaked it up perfectly, same with elbows and palms. I'm glad I had all the gear on, just wish I'd sprung for the more expensive and less water-tight boots with more ankle support. I'm 100% sure they would have made the difference between me walking away and me in a cast.
I noobed it, nothing else to say really. Painful lesson.
On the other hand, the bike was running unbelievably sweet :(
The Pastor
13th July 2010, 18:00
armour is great for people who cant ride :)
jono035
13th July 2010, 18:03
armour is great for people who cant ride :)
I'd rather be the armoured guy who can't ride proving himself right than the unarmoured guy who thinks he's a riding god proving himself wrong.
Swoop
13th July 2010, 18:51
massive hit to the knee as it went down with the bike which was a little bruised
The VFR Preservation Society takes a very dim view of your actions...
Accept this as a warning.<_<
jono035
13th July 2010, 18:52
The VFR Preservation Society takes a very dim view of your actions...
Accept this as a warning.<_<
They won't be any harder on me than I've already been on myself.
Swoop
13th July 2010, 18:57
They won't be any harder on me than I've already been on myself.
So, spare parts have already been sourced?
If the bike is in tip-top condition when the VFRPS arrives, you might be safe...:woohoo:
jono035
13th July 2010, 19:44
So, spare parts have already been sourced?
If the bike is in tip-top condition when the VFRPS arrives, you might be safe...:woohoo:
Not yet, should only need mirror and indicator and I definitely want to keep it as stock. The mirror mounting bracket is a bit bent, but looks like it should be easy to get back into shape. The fairings are pretty gouged, but nothing a good sanding and a generous helping of MEK won't fix...
Or I could give them the middle finger and street-fighter it :p
Wolf
13th July 2010, 20:49
it's most likely going to be fine with 6 weeks in a cast. 2 weeks in plaster then I'll get a check up at the hospital. If it isn't better by then, they'll bring me in and plate it. If it is better, I can go into a fibreglass half-cast and a moon boot.
So, you're perfectly fine, then. So stop mincing about and get riding. If I could work a throttle with my right wrist in a plaster cast you should be fine with a plaster "riding boot" - can't be any worse than a decent MX boot, anyway.
Wolf
13th July 2010, 20:50
Or I could give them the middle finger and street-fighter it :p
You already tried fighting the street - look what happened...
jono035
13th July 2010, 21:13
So, you're perfectly fine, then. So stop mincing about and get riding. If I could work a throttle with my right wrist in a plaster cast you should be fine with a plaster "riding boot" - can't be any worse than a decent MX boot, anyway.
Heh, the guy in the bed next to me says that, from experience, a piece of rubber glued to the back of the cast lets you hook under the shifter to shift up...
jono035
13th July 2010, 21:38
Also, thanks a ton Chris. You, Sharon and Joel were fantastic. It really was appreciated.
The Pastor
13th July 2010, 22:03
I'd rather be the armoured guy who can't ride proving himself right than the unarmoured guy who thinks he's a riding god proving himself wrong.
Good thing im the guy whos never wrong then :D
Wolf
13th July 2010, 22:11
Heh, the guy in the bed next to me says that, from experience, a piece of rubber glued to the back of the cast lets you hook under the shifter to shift up...
You can also just take your foot off the peg and hook your instep under the shifter... Desert Road between Turangi and Waiouru sometime after midnight, middle of winter - couldn't feel my ankle, let alone move it...
Just remember... when you stop, put your right foot down...
The Pastor
14th July 2010, 08:30
check out dmntd when he still rode while being in a half body cast lol
Wolf
14th July 2010, 09:13
Casts are just nature's way of saying "you need to get inventive"...
jono035
14th July 2010, 09:14
Hahaha true.
And the inevitable:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3916775/Crackdown-on-killer-air-rifles
Mr Merde
14th July 2010, 09:25
Hahaha true.
And the inevitable:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/crime/3916775/Crackdown-on-killer-air-rifles
I just posted this on the NSA site.
How are you feeling today.
Hope the missus was suitably sympathetic yesterday. Have you bought the brass bell ,with which you summons her, yet?
jono035
14th July 2010, 09:37
Hahaha, don't have to, we're in the same room 90% of the time anyway!
Feeling good, mate. Slept decently although it was a mission to get to sleep. Cat is pretty unimpressed by the cast and crutches!
Was just about to post that to the NSA site too. There's also a stuff article about them fast-tracking something to get more police armed after the latest 2 cops to get shot. Sigh.
Mr Merde
14th July 2010, 10:46
Hahaha, don't have to, we're in the same room 90% of the time anyway!
Feeling good, mate. Slept decently although it was a mission to get to sleep. Cat is pretty unimpressed by the cast and crutches!
Was just about to post that to the NSA site too. There's also a stuff article about them fast-tracking something to get more police armed after the latest 2 cops to get shot. Sigh.
As unfortunate as it was this latest incident still hasnt convinced me on the general arming of our police force.
The arguement that it is dangerous out there for them is also true for the rest of us and you dont see much of a clamour for the general population to be allowed to bear arms for protection.
The police by the nature of their job are more at the pointy end of the stick but they are still only a reactive agency not a proactive.
If the police were to arm I would have to see a much more intensive training period on the use and safety of firearms.
jono035
14th July 2010, 10:49
Yeah, that's really my problem with it. I wouldn't trust myself to be competent with a handgun in a situation like that and I'm damn sure that I have done a lot more training with one than the vast majority of police officers who will be armed.
To train them competently will take time which means we will need more cops or them to work longer hours to get the same number of 'beat hours' in, while being competent in pistol usage.
Go figure.
The Pastor
14th July 2010, 11:07
Comon guys you gotta trust the police, they know what tools they need for their job.
Like this guy
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dd7_1274051429
The Pastor
14th July 2010, 11:07
Comon guys you gotta trust the police, they know what tools they need for their job.
Like this guy
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=dd7_1274051429
Mr Merde
14th July 2010, 11:10
Very interesting thread on the NSA site. The FishnHunt boys are actually joining in with sound arguements.
Makes a change from the attempted debate on their site where a few personscontinually hijacked the thread and tried to turn it into a mud slinging excercise. I got fed up with the personal abuse being posted on there by 2-3 of the "little fish"
Swoop
14th July 2010, 11:17
The arguement that it is dangerous out there for them is also true for the rest of us and you dont see much of a clamour for the general population to be allowed to bear arms for protection.
It is interesting that these two officers had access to a tazer, but left it in the car...
Yet there is whining and calls for access to more arms???:scratch:
Seriously?
The police should look at their own actions first, before calling for further arming of the force.
jono035
14th July 2010, 11:47
RM - saw that vid for the first time a couple of weeks ago, that's pretty shocking really
Wolf
14th July 2010, 12:08
RM - saw that vid for the first time a couple of weeks ago, that's pretty shocking really
It must be - it's blocked by the censorship software at work. Have to wait til I get home, away from the cybernetic nanny that seeks to shield me from anything that might offend Chris's Nana, before I can look at the link.
Mr Merde
14th July 2010, 12:18
I agree it is shocking. I have watched it a few times and cant see any aggressive move by the biker prior to him getting shot. All he did was put the side stand down and stand up ready to dismount. Then bang.
Attempted murder by the cop or is it just assault?
The Pastor
14th July 2010, 13:27
cant remember what happend, it went to court but unsure if the cop got off, got charged or lost his job.
The rider is now paralyzed.
The Pastor
14th July 2010, 13:29
cant remember what happend, it went to court but unsure if the cop got off, got charged or lost his job.
The rider is now paralyzed.
jono - here you go.
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/44462-ZX10-Mobility-Edition?p=942970#post942970
The Pastor
14th July 2010, 19:18
Here you go jono, something safer
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Motorbikes/Helmets-clothing-footwear/Kids/auction-302472850.htm
Wolf
14th July 2010, 19:43
Today I tried to ask a question on Tardme regarding an old flintlock shotgun and was asked for my firearms licence number.
Irritated, as so many of us have been, I sent off a comment to Trademe expressing my annoyance at this unnecessary information harvesting and just got the following reply (emphasis mine):
Dear Jon,
Thanks for your note. I understand that it feels like an invasion of your privacy to have to supply your firearms license number when listing or buying a firearm.
We do this in order to provide a safe and trusted marketplace, and it's the result of ongoing liaison with Police and the Minister of Police on the issue. In simple terms it helps ensure that people who buy firearms are legally entitled to be in possession of those firearms. And its a process that has Police sanction.
I can appreciate that you find it frustrating and unneccessary. In an absolute sense you are right, we are not legally required to gather the information or make your interaction with this part of the site contingent on you providing this information. Its a judgement call we have made and one that is covered by our terms and conditions.
You are free to use other websites which don't have this requirement if you wish to. The Hunting and Fishing chain of stores also operate a used firearm site which doesn't have this requirement. You may wish to check it out!
The Pastor
18th July 2010, 21:19
I came, I saw, I conquered.
Mr Merde
19th July 2010, 08:06
Waitakere gun show banned in Auckland
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/local-government/news/article.cfm?c_id=250&objectid=10659611
"Mayor Bob Harvey said organisers had been told they wouldn't be allowed to use other council facilities either. Auckland's other mayors - John Banks, Len Brown and Andrew Williams - said their councils would likely follow suit if the event organisers tried for a venue in their areas."
jono035
19th July 2010, 08:26
Waitakere gun show banned in Auckland
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/local-government/news/article.cfm?c_id=250&objectid=10659611
"Mayor Bob Harvey said organisers had been told they wouldn't be allowed to use other council facilities either. Auckland's other mayors - John Banks, Len Brown and Andrew Williams - said their councils would likely follow suit if the event organisers tried for a venue in their areas."
I'm livid over that. The rest of those rat bastards saying they will ban it too makes it worse.
How about banning car shows because they may 'appeal' to boy racers?
The Pastor
19th July 2010, 09:14
afaik, they havn't banned the event - just the venue.
so the event could simply move to a different venue?
The Pastor
19th July 2010, 09:19
hmmm, thinking about it - i once saw an sks in a gun show. It looked cool. Now im a drug dealer shooting the police!
http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/uponsun/eazy_e_glocks.jpg
"The show sends a message that AK-47s, flick blades and other war weapons aren't just okay, they're part of a fun day out for the family."
Mr Merde
19th July 2010, 09:37
afaik, they havn't banned the event - just the venue.
so the event could simply move to a different venue?
It would have to be a private venue. Then it would probably need local government consent regarding the number of people attending, parking, traffic control, security etc.
This would mean massively increased costs for the organisers
As I am employed by a local council I know from listening to others at my workplace, exactly how hard it can be made to run something when the council doesnt want it run.
SIgn of the times. All those politicos are running for "Super City" mayor. They all want to score points with the great unwashed. They will say anything that makes them noticable.
Best thing you can do is rally the troops and start hurting them in the polls. Thats the only way they will listen. If they think that they are about to loose their career ( and they are all career politians) then they may listen.
Chris
The Pastor
19th July 2010, 09:41
It would have to be a private venue. Then it would probably need local government consent regarding the number of people attending, parking, traffic control, security etc.
Chris
Maybe, but some venues should have existing consents to cover this, they were purpose built for holding events - they would need permission to do this.
places like the asb showgrounds?
jono035
19th July 2010, 11:00
Maybe, but some venues should have existing consents to cover this, they were purpose built for holding events - they would need permission to do this.
places like the asb showgrounds?
Notice the part where most of the other Auckland mayors have joined in saying that they will block the event being moved to their part of the city?
This is not a small thing.
Mr Merde
19th July 2010, 11:02
Notice the part where most of the other Auckland mayors have joined in saying that they will block the event being moved to their part of the city?
This is not a small thing.
Its politics.
All those who have said this are in the running for mayor of the super city. They have to be seen to be kissing the arse of the great unwashed.
The Pastor
19th July 2010, 11:08
Notice the part where most of the other Auckland mayors have joined in saying that they will block the event being moved to their part of the city?
This is not a small thing.
no, they said they will block the venues, not the event.
If the mayor (hubbard) couldn't stop the boobs on bikes parade, the councils wont be able to stop the gun show.
I'm surprised they haven't talked to me, i'm happy to show off my gun show any day...
Mr Merde
19th July 2010, 11:11
i'm happy to show off my gun show any day...
There are major problems here with that statement.
1) Its a smallbore
2) its a single shot with a delay in reloading
3) its a pocket pistol not full sized (just like a gun but smaller)
ALso I forgot to mention it has a hair trigger that often results in an accidental discharge
jono035
19th July 2010, 11:23
no, they said they will block the venues, not the event.
If the mayor (hubbard) couldn't stop the boobs on bikes parade, the councils wont be able to stop the gun show.
I'm surprised they haven't talked to me, i'm happy to show off my gun show any day...
Without a venue, there is no show. It's a different kind of event to the boobs on bikes parade. Not to mention that unfortunately there is probably a lot more political capital behind it.
Ultimately, Hubbard couldn't stop it, but probably because in doing so he would have ended up crucified.
Swoop
19th July 2010, 12:07
Bob Harvey is a fuckwit and this decision simply confirms the problem that we have with the Waitakere council and the nepotism inherant there.
I personally thought the venue was too small and should be moved. Hopefully this will aid that momentum.
Mr Merde
19th July 2010, 12:27
Bob Harvey is a fuckwit and this decision simply confirms the problem that we have with the Waitakere council and the nepotism inherant there.
I personally thought the venue was too small and should be moved. Hopefully this will aid that momentum.
I've always found that the parking is horrendous and I'm sure that would have put off a lot of persons from attending.
I'm also sure that the event centre will miss a very sizable revenue stream that came in twice a year.
Swoop
19th July 2010, 12:32
I've always found that the parking is horrendous and I'm sure that would have out off a lot of persons from attending.
I'm also sure that the event centre will miss a very sizable revenue stream that came in twice a year.
True on both counts.
Remember when the show was held in the old recreation centre? It was demolished to make way for the Trusts (http://www.thetrustsstadium.co.nz/) Stadium, but the show never returned there (costs??).
Parking is absolute crap at the Recreation Centre... unless you arrive at 8am...:shifty:
Indiana_Jones
19th July 2010, 12:55
Ban the guns!
They be dangerous!
-Indy
The Pastor
19th July 2010, 15:31
Without a venue, there is no show. It's a different kind of event to the boobs on bikes parade. Not to mention that unfortunately there is probably a lot more political capital behind it.
Ultimately, Hubbard couldn't stop it, but probably because in doing so he would have ended up crucified.
I disagree, Hubbard would of stopped if he could. He couldn't. He had a large amount of public support as well
There are plenty of venues still available. Esp the north shore - where things happen :D
The Pastor
19th July 2010, 17:04
AND NOW FOR SOME GOOD NEWS
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10659880
scumdog
19th July 2010, 18:00
AND NOW FOR SOME GOOD NEWS
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10659880
The pivotal words: "confidence in"
Tazers ain't it I'm afraid
jono035
19th July 2010, 18:06
The pivotal words: "confidence in"
Tazers ain't it I'm afraid
Yeah, that's an interesting one. Has anyone seen it mentioned anywhere why we've been having these failures and whether other countries that use them have reported a similar failure rate?
The Pastor
19th July 2010, 22:49
http://www.pyrocam.com/filez/go/DSCF3447.JPG
Veni, vidi, vici
jono035
20th July 2010, 07:24
Picture (http://www.pyrocam.com/filez/go/DSCF3447.JPG)
Veni, vidi, vici
Holy over-sized image, batman.
Anyone having trouble seeing the photo, either click the link in this post or select the image and choose 'view image' or something similar. It should resize the image to fit your screen, save you getting a screen full of leaves :P
Congrats, so that's all dressed and in your freezer now?
Mr Merde
20th July 2010, 08:08
You shot Bambi !!!!
The Pastor
20th July 2010, 08:29
You shot Bambi !!!!
yeah, you can sleep easy now, hes no longer going to cause you any harm. Well maybe indigestion if you eat him too quick
Indiana_Jones
20th July 2010, 12:09
<img src="http://usedbookwhore.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/who_killed_bambi.jpg">
Scott did!
-Indy
The Pastor
20th July 2010, 16:47
Just joined the south auckland deer stalkers association, will let you kno how good it is
jono035
21st July 2010, 07:49
http://www.guncity.co.nz/recent-adverts-xidc44754.html
Looks like Gun City is opening up in Auckland. That's the advert for anyone who is interested.
62 Carr Rd, Mt Roskill is their temporary 'warehouse style' premises, apparently.
Swoop
21st July 2010, 08:03
Shit. Those M-14's are even cheaper!
The Pastor
21st July 2010, 08:26
ahhh i wonderd why wills was shut down
Mr Merde
21st July 2010, 08:36
Is this new premises a permanent business or a one off?
Wolf, how is the stock comming along?
jono035
21st July 2010, 08:41
Shit. Those M-14's are even cheaper!
Yeah, one of those gun-city pump-actions for $275 is pretty appealing.
$400 for a brand new blued 10/22 with synthetic stock is pretty damn cheap too...
Edit: They say 'suggest where we should permanently locate ourselves' in the e-mail, so I'm guessing the Auckland store is permanent, just the location is currently undecided...
Wolf
21st July 2010, 10:03
Veni, vidi, vici
You're looking a bit red-eyed, there, boyo - looks like Terminator Meets Bambi.
Wolf
21st July 2010, 10:09
Wolf, how is the stock comming along?
Looking very good. Regular application of oil at least daily. Still soaking in as yet. The colour's looking amazing.
The Pastor
21st July 2010, 10:10
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10660224
Rabbit numbers in parts of Otago are the highest since the introduction of the rabbit haemorrhagic disease (RHD) virus in 1997.
Otago Regional Council's annual rabbit survey showed a large increase in the amount of land in Otago which exceeded the maximum limit for rabbit population density, the Otago Daily Times reported.
A combination of perfect breeding conditions and the lessening impact of RHD were behind the large increase in the rabbit population, the report said.
- NZPA
i wonder how we could control them more.....
Indiana_Jones
21st July 2010, 12:47
ahhh i wonderd why wills was shut down
I he's at 86 Wairau road now, acording to his website and an ad I saw in the Shore times
-Indy
Swoop
21st July 2010, 13:25
They say 'suggest where we should permanently locate ourselves'
They were in Greenlane some years ago, before closing the shop, so they should know Auckland.
jono035
21st July 2010, 13:32
They were in Greenlane some years ago, before closing the shop, so they should know Auckland.
Maybe they want people to tell them where would be good to avoid ending up somewhere that results in them closing down?
Swoop
21st July 2010, 13:42
[QUOTE=jono035;1129816106]Maybe they want people to tell them where would be good [QUOTE]
Then I shall suggest my basement.
I always have room for more toys.:shifty:
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