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jono035

9th July 2013, 22:20

I'm a Serious Shooters fan. They have always been good and patient with me.

I've found SAI and Reloader's Supplies to be a bit more 'neutral' in their advice. I always seem to be getting ranted at by the Serious Shooters crowd. It's not so bad when it's Richard doing the ranting because I normally come away having learned something, but a couple of the other guys there can be a bit less useful.

I went in there when I was first getting into reloading and one of the guys tried to sell me a several hundred dollar Hornady powder thrower because it was "ultra-accurate" and why reload if not to be accurate blah blah blah. Didn't once listen to the fact that I was a) a student at the time and b) shooting centerfire pistol, hardly 600m benchrest...

Ended up buying a complete Lee kit + Hornady dies from Reloaders Supplies for about the same price as the thrower. Used the extra money to buy a brass tumbler and an accurate set of digital scales which then proceeded to tell me that the 'worthless, just toss it straight in the bin' Lee powder measure was throwing powder charges +/- 0.1 grain over 50 throws (I think I had one which was -0.2 or something, to be fair). To this day, it still is. After moving I didn't reload for about a year and just worked my way through my stockpile of ammo. Finally got the bench set up and started loading again, didn't even adjust the powder thrower. Went straight back to throwing 4.2gn from the first throw. The Dillon powder measure that I'm using now is actually slightly less accurate, I think. It's normally within 0.1 but I still get the occaisional 0.2.

Either way, they definitely know their stuff, but it can be so hard separating personal opinion from good advice that I tend to make note and research online afterwards.

Juniper

9th July 2013, 22:31

I've found SAI and Reloader's Supplies to be a bit more 'neutral' in their advice. I always seem to be getting ranted at by the Serious Shooters crowd. It's not so bad when it's Richard doing the ranting because I normally come away having learned something, but a couple of the other guys there can be a bit less useful.

I went in there when I was first getting into reloading and one of the guys tried to sell me a several hundred dollar Hornady powder thrower because it was "ultra-accurate" and why reload if not to be accurate blah blah blah. Didn't once listen to the fact that I was a) a student at the time and b) shooting centerfire pistol, hardly 600m benchrest...

Ended up buying a complete Lee kit + Hornady dies from Reloaders Supplies for about the same price as the thrower. Used the extra money to buy a brass tumbler and an accurate set of digital scales which then proceeded to tell me that the 'worthless, just toss it straight in the bin' Lee powder measure was throwing powder charges +/- 0.1 grain over 50 throws (I think I had one which was -0.2 or something, to be fair). To this day, it still is. After moving I didn't reload for about a year and just worked my way through my stockpile of ammo. Finally got the bench set up and started loading again, didn't even adjust the powder thrower. Went straight back to throwing 4.2gn from the first throw. The Dillon powder measure that I'm using now is actually slightly less accurate, I think. It's normally within 0.1 but I still get the occaisional 0.2.

Either way, they definitely know their stuff, but it can be so hard separating personal opinion from good advice that I tend to make note and research online afterwards.

Oh I haven't started reloading yet. I can't put reloads through a club gun. But my dad may be working in that for me!!

They were helpful to me for things like what do I do in the pistol room of a shop. I mean I know what to do and how to handle a gun on the range, but in a shop it just felt wrong.
And I always get a good price.

How much did the setup set you back?

I'm kinda thinking just to bully my landlord into letting me install the safe. That's the only thing holding me back. I did want to get my B and E together but a bigger safe would be pushing it.

jono035

10th July 2013, 06:04

Oh I haven't started reloading yet. I can't put reloads through a club gun. But my dad may be working in that for me!!

They were helpful to me for things like what do I do in the pistol room of a shop. I mean I know what to do and how to handle a gun on the range, but in a shop it just felt wrong.
And I always get a good price.

How much did the setup set you back?

I'm kinda thinking just to bully my landlord into letting me install the safe. That's the only thing holding me back. I did want to get my B and E together but a bigger safe would be pushing it.

Everyone wants to get their B and E together but I didn't. I was in the same position, couldn't really put a huge safe anywhere. I got one of the small pistol safes and now that I've got space, I'm considering one of the huge 13 gun E-cats. Also, there is very little point to owning an E-cat at the moment, beside the magazine capacity increase. A B is by far the better thing to get quickly. Being able to get away from the Club guns and starting reloading will pay for itself, and the safe, in very short order with the way ammo prices are at the moment.

I wrote down a bunch of notes on how I got started reloading for a couple of guys at Howick.

I did a lot of talking to Chris first (Mr Merde) and he helped me out a load with regard to gear selection etc. There is a very definite bias towards Lee gear, but I think it's more complex than 'buy the best you can afford' because ultimately people get into reloading primarily to save money.

My approach was to get a cheap, simple press and then spend money on the things that will actually make a noticeable difference to the process. Getting a single-stage means you can go through and learn how to do everything methodically and get set up to tune your loads, rather than just pick one and crank the handle to produce ammo (plenty of time for that later).

The things I bought:
Lee Breech Lock Challenger kit (single stage press, basic scales, powder thrower, all sorts, case lube) - $250
Digital Scales - $100 (being able to quickly verify that your thrower is set right and accurate is critical)
Brass Tumbler - $200 (optional if you know someone who can tumble your brass for you, it's not a big hassle)
Hornady Dies - $100

And a few other miscellaneous bits and pieces that make life easier but don't really help all that much. So all up, I think I started out at $650 spent. The biggest time saver was the fact that the press has bushing that allow you to remove and install dies accurately with just a 1/4 turn, as opposed to needing to thread them in which can cause seating height issues etc.

I'm still using everything with the XL650 except the press and powder thrower, and I've still got those mounted to the desk for slightly more oddball calibers.

I get about 100 rounds an hour with that setup without too much hassle.

If you get a more complex press down the line, the simple single stage is still really useful for doing short runs of different calibers. For me, that's .44 mag, .300 Blackout and anything else I randomly pick up. Changing calibers on the Dillon is really time consuming and surprisingly expensive.

Juniper

10th July 2013, 06:49

Everyone wants to get their B and E together but I didn't. I was in the same position, couldn't really put a huge safe anywhere. I got one of the small pistol safes and now that I've got space, I'm considering one of the huge 13 gun E-cats. Also, there is very little point to owning an E-cat at the moment, beside the magazine capacity increase. A B is by far the better thing to get quickly. Being able to get away from the Club guns and starting reloading will pay for itself, and the safe, in very short order with the way ammo prices are at the moment.

I wrote down a bunch of notes on how I got started reloading for a couple of guys at Howick.

I did a lot of talking to Chris first (Mr Merde) and he helped me out a load with regard to gear selection etc. There is a very definite bias towards Lee gear, but I think it's more complex than 'buy the best you can afford' because ultimately people get into reloading primarily to save money.

My approach was to get a cheap, simple press and then spend money on the things that will actually make a noticeable difference to the process. Getting a single-stage means you can go through and learn how to do everything methodically and get set up to tune your loads, rather than just pick one and crank the handle to produce ammo (plenty of time for that later).

The things I bought:
Lee Breech Lock Challenger kit (single stage press, basic scales, powder thrower, all sorts, case lube) - $250
Digital Scales - $100 (being able to quickly verify that your thrower is set right and accurate is critical)
Brass Tumbler - $200 (optional if you know someone who can tumble your brass for you, it's not a big hassle)
Hornady Dies - $100

And a few other miscellaneous bits and pieces that make life easier but don't really help all that much. So all up, I think I started out at $650 spent. The biggest time saver was the fact that the press has bushing that allow you to remove and install dies accurately with just a 1/4 turn, as opposed to needing to thread them in which can cause seating height issues etc.

I'm still using everything with the XL650 except the press and powder thrower, and I've still got those mounted to the desk for slightly more oddball calibers.

I get about 100 rounds an hour with that setup without too much hassle.

If you get a more complex press down the line, the simple single stage is still really useful for doing short runs of different calibers. For me, that's .44 mag, .300 Blackout and anything else I randomly pick up. Changing calibers on the Dillon is really time consuming and surprisingly expensive.

I've reloaded before, just never bough my own stuff. Whenever I See dad it's "you shoot it, you make it"
The amount of ammo I go through a single stage would be very impractical. Ideally I'd like to shoot 2-300 a day at the range. I'd like to be looking at doing 1,500-2,000 rounds loaded in a full day. (I really enjoy reloading)
Currently the only caliber I shoot is 9mm.

bobsmith

10th July 2013, 10:03

I'm with Jono in that I'm always happier shopping at reloaders. Everything's just a bit cheaper and without all the extra "sales talk". I got both my Lee single stage (which michael has now as I sold my 308 and I'm only reloading 9mm at the moment) and dillon 550 for 9mm from reloaders.

Seeing that you're mainly going to be just doing 9mm and giong through several hundred rounds per week I say go straight to a progressive reloader if you can. The best I've managed on single stage is about 60-70 round per minute as opposed to 200-250 on my dillion (though I'm not very fast as I always seem to have issues trying to get the primers to bloody seat properly and my current reloading bench flexes like hell so I have to brace it when I seat primers) so wouldn't be very practical for loading large number of pistol rounds.

Mind you single stage was great for loading those odd calibers that I don't shoot a lot and also my rifle rounds.

Remember to budget for things like powder scale (hornady digital ones are cheap at 80 bucks), case tumbler (I much prefer this to ultrasonic cleaner as it takes less of your time), case gauge, something to mount the press onto, etc but I'm sure your dad can tell you more about that than me lol.

With my 550B, everything all up not including any reloading components cost about $1000. (from memory the press and dies were only about 700-800) But then I've already put about 2000 rounds through it so with saving of around 20 cents per round, I've already saved about 400 in the 6 months or so we've owned the press. If you want to go for 650B for the auto indexing feature that will cost a fair bit more. 550B is all manually indexed so a bit slower but not too bad. You also have to manually feed the brass and projectiles.

In any case, I suggest doing all the study on the internet BEFORE you go into a store lol.

jono035

10th July 2013, 17:45

Yeah, all good advice there, Bob.

If you're already reloading and you've got someone who you can rely on to help you get set up and answer any questions then maybe just get whatever you're used to.

I went for a 650 because I'm in a similar situation to you, if I'm going up to Warkworth to do an IPSC shoot then I'd like to be able to crank out 200-300 rounds without spending hours at the press. I also figure that it's going to be my dedicated pistol press where I can set it up for whatever caliber I'm shooting at the moment (not planning on changing from 9mm given I own a couple of them). For anything else (.303, .300 blackout, .44 mag, .223 once I get a second upper) then I don't mind taking an hour to load up 50-100 rounds because I won't be going through anywhere near as many. I'm also much more likely to want to tweak and change those calibers as opposed to the 9mm where I just want to be able to bash it out.

I'd still say it's worth getting the Lee single stage just simply because it's much more forgiving if you want to change calibers. It literally takes seconds to switch your die, shellplate and primer system compared to the Dillon offerings which seem expensive/time consuming even on the 550. It's also only an extra $40 or so for ALL the shellplates and then another $30 or so per caliber for the quick-change inserts. If you wanted to make life a little easier on yourself you could get multiple powder throwers pretty cheap, too, which would save a lot of hassle.

I've been thinking about it since I got the 650 and it's a bit more temperamental than I thought it would be. Getting the shellplate indexing cleanly has required quite a few little tweaks and shifts and it's still not quite there yet. Thinking back, I think the 550 is probably the better option unless you're really needing to crank the ammo out.

Do you really go through 300 rounds a week? That seems pretty out there to me. I go through ~200 in an entire day's shooting at Warkworth and probably more like 50 in a morning's shooting at HPC (although they do run things in a slightly odd fashion and everyones pretty slow there).

Edit: Never mind, just noticed that you said 'ideally' 300 rounds a week. I tried doing the whole 'reloading to stockpile' thing and found it got really tiring and distracting after a while. For me it makes more sense to keep everything set up and ready to go so I can sit down and do a couple of hundred rounds one evening during the week. It also means if anything ends up going slightly wrong you don't have a huge quantity of screwed up ammo (like the guy at HPC a couple of weeks back who got 2 squibs in one morning, what the hell...).

Swoop

11th July 2013, 08:55

I'd still say it's worth getting the Lee single stage just simply because it's much more forgiving if you want to change calibres.

I have to second that. I still have my single stage Lee, that I started off with.
A solid steel press would be even better than the alloy that Lee use however.

Progressive press is a Hornady. Great for putting out rounds but not at the rate that a Dillon can perform! (the problem might be the nut on the end of the lever though...):rolleyes:

jono035

11th July 2013, 09:15

I have the same issue with the nut on the end of mine, too... Odd!

The casting on the Lee is pretty solid so I've had no issues with it but I've never tried it with any larger rifle cases or similar. Is the desire for a steel frame based on an issue you've had or just kind of future proofing?

leathel

11th July 2013, 09:23

I always thought I would never need a Dylan press but the AR has upped the rounds I shoot..... was getting enough rounds to load with all the bolt guns...... Next big purchase for reloading :rolleyes:

I will keep my lee cast press for loading the low round rifles and for the larger cases :)

bobsmith

11th July 2013, 09:31

Do you really go through 300 rounds a week? That seems pretty out there to me. I go through ~200 in an entire day's shooting at Warkworth and probably more like 50 in a morning's shooting at HPC (although they do run things in a slightly odd fashion and everyones pretty slow there).

Edit: Never mind, just noticed that you said 'ideally' 300 rounds a week. I tried doing the whole 'reloading to stockpile' thing and found it got really tiring and distracting after a while. For me it makes more sense to keep everything set up and ready to go so I can sit down and do a couple of hundred rounds one evening during the week. It also means if anything ends up going slightly wrong you don't have a huge quantity of screwed up ammo (like the guy at HPC a couple of weeks back who got 2 squibs in one morning, what the hell...).

Well, my wife shoots IPSC as well.... And at APC the round count is around 120-160 rounds per weekend match. Plus practices so yeah quite often 300+ rounds per week though I sometimes get to offload some of that to the wife :)

I'd love to have the auto-indexing of the 650 but I simply couldn't justify the price... By the looks of it with the case feeder, etc it would have been at least 6-$700 more than the 550?

The only issue I have with the 550 is the damned primers not sitting properly! I don't see how to fix this unless I deprime the cases and clean the primer pockets before putting it through the press.... does anyone else have this issue?

edit - I end up chucking out 1 in 30 shells or so because the primer wouldn't seat properly and I don't want to deprime a case with a live primer.

jono035

11th July 2013, 10:11

Good stuff, Leathel.

Bob: Was directing that more at Juniper. I can see how you would get there with 2 people shooting twice a week, that's for sure.

I think it cost me 1500 flat with dies and with the strong mount etc. The one thing I didn't get in the mix yet is the powder check die which is the main reason I went for the 650.

I was sketchy about the 550 originally because of the possibility of double stroking the press without advancing but it's surprisingly easy to do that on the 650 when something goes wrong.

Edit: I haven't noticed any primer issues, is the primer system the same between the presses?

bobsmith

11th July 2013, 11:44

Ah that makes much more sense. (I actually went back and read what we posted lol)

Hmmm I think so. I wonder if it's just because the stand for the press has a bit of flex to it and I can't get enough force on the lever as I push on it to seat the primer. Maybe I'll see how I go after I get this reloading bench built but I have to clear this immobile car out of the garage first.....

scumdog

14th July 2013, 19:53

Bought a Remington bi-pod for my Sako 22, $69.

'Easily fitted' it said...yeah right...

An hour later and a bucket of bad language and it was fitted.:pinch:

jono035

14th July 2013, 20:15

Bought a Remington bi-pod for my Sako 22, $69.

'Easily fitted' it said...yeah right...

An hour later and a bucket of bad language and it was fitted.:pinch:

Did you have to fit or move the sling stud that it clips to or something?

scumdog

14th July 2013, 20:21

Did you have to fit or move the sling stud that it clips to or something?

Had to take the sling loop off the stud.

And then found the stud seemed too wide for the clamping system to fit over (Maybe Euro studs are larger diameter than US ones?).

So had to dismantle half the mechanism to fit it on then reassemble it.

All good now though.

BTW: Sanded the barrel channel on the fore-end to float the barrel - worth it on a 22?

jono035

14th July 2013, 20:29

Had to take the sling loop off the stud.

And then found the stud seemed too wide for the clamping system to fit over (Maybe Euro studs are larger diameter than US ones?).

So had to dismantle half the mechanism to fit it on then reassemble it.

All good now though.

BTW: Sanded the barrel channel on the fore-end to float the barrel - worth it on a 22?

Ah, right. I had one of those on a target .22 and it was easy to get on/take off. No idea what the deal was with the stud thought.

I figure it can't hurt, they free-float the bull barrels on target .22s, so it can't hurt with a smaller profile barrel.

carver

15th July 2013, 06:22

any one of you gun geeks interested in a Nikon Buckmaster 4.5-14x 40 BDC? New

Road kill

18th July 2013, 16:47

Nah I don't buy stolen shit.

Indiana_Jones

18th July 2013, 22:35

So how does one enter the Easter bunny shoot?

-Indy

carver

21st July 2013, 10:11

Nah I don't buy stolen shit.

Haha, i got two!

Mr Merde

22nd July 2013, 11:57

The end of a 7 year project.

Started with just the action.

Had it barreled with a Badger Barrel in .45

Chambered in 45-70.

Blued the barrel myself. Would have liked to brown it but maybe that will come later

Bought some American Walnut and took a year to carve the stock and apply an "old English finish to it. ie prepped the wood with a linseed oil and turpentine mixture till it wouldnt hold any more then hand rubbed it for 3 months with boiled linseed oil to get the depth of shine I am happy with.

Bought some Soule type long range rear sights and a Lyman globe front sight

Had a very good engineer drill and tap the rear top tang for the sights.

Fixed the globe front into a dovetail and peened close

Mounted the rear sight..

Dismantled the action and cleaned up the insides and worked on the trigger. Now breaks very positively with about a 4 lb pull.

The sticks I got from the USA.

Check out the perfect ballance of this 6 kg rifle.

Loaded up some 45-70 black powder shells this weekend. 530gn projectile on top of 68 gns os FFFg Swiss. Good enough for 1000 + yards.

Buffed up the woodwork and applied a light oiling just to protect it.

Hopefully pulling the trigger on this fine old\new girl next weekend. Have a farmer letting me try this out in his back fields. Up to 800 yards.

Check out the perfect balance of this rifle on the sticks. Still looking for that nice piece of brass with which to make a buttplate but it is shootable at last.

Anyone out there having a piece of such about 6"x 3" x 1/4" (or more) spare I would appreciate them getting in touch.

Regards

Chris

Mr Merde

22nd July 2013, 12:28

So how does one enter the Easter bunny shoot?

-Indy

Write or contact the Alexandra Lions Club. They organise the event. Contact MDU he has been a regular attendee for a few years now.

Chris

Indiana_Jones

22nd July 2013, 14:46

Cheers mate, rifle lookings fucking nice :niceone:

-Indy

Mr Merde

22nd July 2013, 14:50

Cheers mate, rifle lookings fucking nice :niceone:

-Indy

Glad you like it. Takenn a while. Just need that piece of brass for the buttplate and it will be finished.

You should see the rounds I made for it.

Could choke a horse.

530 grain bullet on top of 68 grains og FFFg black powder. Should produce a big bang and stiff recoil but the weight of the rifle will balance that

Akzle

22nd July 2013, 17:37

i can't make it out... is that a falling block action?

Mr Merde

22nd July 2013, 18:20

i can't make it out... is that a falling block action?

Remington Rolling Block action. Taken from a Swedish shotgun

Much stronger than the falling block action

Mr Merde

22nd July 2013, 20:56

Left to right.

.44-40, .223, 45-70, 12 ga brass shotgun shell.

Shotgun loaded with 80 gns of BP and 1 1/8 oz load.
.223 has a 50 gn bullet
44-40 has a 200 gn bullet

45-70 has 68 gns BP and a 530 gn bullet. What you can see is only half of the projectile as with BP you have to use as heavy a compression as you can. In this case I have used about 8-10 mm

Flip

22nd July 2013, 21:14

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These are my two black power guns. The top is a 55 cal hawkins rifled front stuffer, the bottom is a 75 cal smooth bore brown bess.

Mr Merde

22nd July 2013, 21:15

Looking after this rifle on a semi perm loan.
My mate is living in Aussie and asked to keep this, the .505 Gibbs bolt action and his 1884 .22 matini action target rifle together.

The .505 needs a lot of work to make operable as it only consists of a barreld action an bolt and a stock at the moment. I am thinking of completing it as my next project. Loaded rounds for the .505 Gibbs are $100 US for 5. Bare brass is $20 each. Reloading dies about $400 US.

The rifle in the photo is a copy of the Winchester 1873 Sporting rifle, by Uberti, in 44-40.

Unfortunately it has damage to the fore arm wood and I will be replacing all the woodwork as a result.

Especially since i have been asked to use the rifle as often as I like. looks like i need to buy 44-40 brass and dies.

Mr Merde

22nd July 2013, 21:18

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These are my two black power guns. The top is a 55 cal hawkins rifled front stuffer, the bottom is a 75 cal smooth bore brown bess.

Lovely rifles.

Blackpowder plus lead plus tin equals happiness
BP + Pb + Sn = :cool:

Flip

22nd July 2013, 21:24

Got a Deer with the Hawkins last year and often take the Bess loaded with shot rabbit shooting.

jono035

22nd July 2013, 22:09

Beautiful looking rifle there, Chris. Bet you can't wait to get some time behind the trigger on it.

Must be a good feeling having it all come together after that long. I'm trying to figure out where you'd be likely to come up with some spare brass plate. You need to find with a furnace who can melt some cartridge brass down for you!

Had a bit of a muck around with the 3D printer at work and quickly made up an adapter to let me fill Dillon primer tubes from the Lee primer tray from the old press.

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Works pretty well for a rough first attempt. I had to widen out the primer channel a bit with a knife which left it rough so the primers sometimes tilt a little going into the tube and get hung up. It also takes a decent amount of sifting the tray back and forth to get the primers to go down the tube. The other things I've seen people make use a vibe motor to speed the process up, so I think I've got an old cellphone with one in it that I might rip apart and try.

So even with that, it takes probably 30 seconds to fill 100 primers into the tube and I've run 1000 primers through it (filled and dumped 10x) without a single flipped one, so it seems to be a promising idea!

Next thing to try is a bullet collator to use with a Hornady bullet feed die... I'm using 124gn Round Nose 9mm projectiles, so those should be plenty easy to deal with.

Swoop

23rd July 2013, 09:45

made up an adapter to let me fill Dillon primer tubes
Strange.
Isn't the top of the primer tube crimped on the Dillon?
The top of the Hornady progressive's primer tube has a lovely fine crimp. You just need to dump all the primers on a flat surface (rounded side upwards) and then just press the tube onto each primer. They simply stack up inside the tube, being held by the crimp.

jono035

23rd July 2013, 09:50

They have a plastic tip that is used to pick up the primers. It just seems like a particularly inefficient system to me. There are plenty of examples of people doing the same thing for both home made and commercial so I figure why not.

Swoop

23rd July 2013, 09:53

jono035

24th July 2013, 21:11

Managed to get a couple of really basic test pieces for the bullet collator printed today.

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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/10779784/VIDEO0019.mp4

That's a half-assed video that I put together to show that it actually kinda works!

These are just 2 basic flat plates that I printed and screwed to the wood and moved around by hand.

The bullets don't settled into the channels very nicely because they're quite shallow and the cardboard which is simulating the edge of the bowl catches on the noses and turns them around.

Next test is deeper channels, undercutting the center piece so that the 2 plates locate together vertically better and then trying to figure out how the hell I'm going to drive the outer plate.

The Pastor

30th July 2013, 17:08

anyone after some rifles?

I have a marlin 30-30, scoped 308mxlr (not really going to sell), norinco jw15 .22, some turkish pump action shottie (lead only) catches the spent cases in the action every now and then, baikal shotgun side by side.

Think thats all, open to offers :P

Akzle

30th July 2013, 17:15

The Pastor

31st July 2013, 07:47

i totally want your sbs.
Dual trigger, selective or hammer gun?

not taking a packet of chips for it mate,

but its in reasonable condition, i think its around 1970's, take down, duel trigger. If ur keen i'll get some pics up?

sketch

31st July 2013, 21:37

completely unrelated to above post but if anyone has a remington 597 yellow jacket 10/22 im looking for one

just thought id post it up here just in case

Akzle

31st July 2013, 21:55

not taking a packet of chips for it mate,

but its in reasonable condition, i think its around 1970's, take down, duel trigger. If ur keen i'll get some pics up?

dont need pics. Is it steel proof? (ie, not damascus, but im pretty sure baikal never did...)
full 3" chamber or only 2 3/4?
I had a ss baikal 12ga, damn nice gun. Ive been hankering for a sbs for a while.
Ill pm you about the money/drugs/hookers/payment.
Also, had the firing pins replaced? And does it have ejectors?

Akzle

31st July 2013, 21:58

completely unrelated to above post but if anyone has a remington 597 yellow jacket 10/22 im looking for one

just thought id post it up here just in case

why?
Fwiw normanby rd had heavy barrel hogue 10/22s, (as picture) but they were pink. And that was a few years back.
But srsly, why?

sketch

31st July 2013, 22:13

magnum reseach do an almost identical model aswell, but i want this one.........

as for why..........

seen one in h&f fews years back and like the stock, the heavy barrel and the fact its ambidextrous,
i like it and want one.........
what more reason do i need?

Akzle

1st August 2013, 07:01

magnum reseach do an almost identical model aswell, but i want this one.........

i like it and want one.........
what more reason do i need?

just wondrin,
ive never been a 10/22 guy. Dont like the mags. But i spose its whatever youre familiar with.
Id take the MR over it. But im not you.
Shoot on...

leathel

1st August 2013, 07:35

completely unrelated to above post but if anyone has a remington 597 yellow jacket 10/22 im looking for one

just thought id post it up here just in case

um you mention 2 rifles....which one do you want... the Rugger 10/22 or the Rem 597

That picture is the Rem 597

jono035

1st August 2013, 07:51

What's your issue with the mags?

Loved mine and they are the only .22LR mags that have NEVER given me problems. Had a 10/22 with a target barrel that I sold to a KB member and always regretted.

Wasn't using it much, though. Only so much fun you can have punching ragged holes at 25m with no effort.

When I got mine I did the same thing I do with all my guns, just played with the action and fire control for about half an hour. Never had an issue with the mags or bolt catch at all. Actually quite like the ergonomics of it.

Akzle

1st August 2013, 08:13

What's your issue with the mags?

Loved mine and they are the only .22LR mags that have NEVER given me problems.

Never had an issue with the mags or bolt catch at all. Actually quite like the ergonomics of it.

yeah nah. Whole stock is too wide.
I grew up on a stirling 15 shot stick mag. Could load one in the dark upside down behind my back while rolling a smoke.
Then had a *sweet* anschutz 520. I miss that one most. (10 shot stick mag)

Rotary. Well, never had to try. As i say, its whut youre familiar with.
Something about american guns, just innt right. (colt/armalite, ruger at least)
marlin do a nice little 22 bolty, second to savage. Meh. What yer used to.

Akzle

1st August 2013, 08:14

also, rota mag quite bulky in yer pockets.

jono035

1st August 2013, 11:57

Just kept one in my jacket pocket, plenty of space. Easy to load 10 rounds into purely by feel in the dark. Loading a full mag with the rotaries is nice, no huge change in force for the last rounds when loading and no unreliable feeding of first/last rounds when firing as fast as you can pull the trigger.

Each to their own, I guess

nseagoon

1st August 2013, 16:36

Akzle

1st August 2013, 17:14

jono035

1st August 2013, 17:28

I've never owned a 10/22 but have a couple of stirlings, a 20 and a 20p.
I've found the stirling mags MAY have a feeding problem if you load the magazine completely full. I've found I have no reliability issues if I leave one round out, same on all three mags.

as for the 10/22 I've shot plenty of them and I remember reading a few articles apparently they had the most reliable magazine compared to similarly priced firearms.
I did get issues with after market magazines, especially of larger capacities.
-I didn't find the factory trigger on the 10/22 pleasent either, however a mate put a timney in his and I found it very crisp and quite liked it.

I didn't find any issues between them loading and unloading either stirling or ruger.

I guess it's the same with most toys. if you mess with it, expect to mess with it more to correct what you've done wrong :-)

How are your Stirlings holidng up? I've got a 16P that is my bush bashing gun. The back of the lower cracked and the safety pivot pin fell sideways into the trigger mechanism. Removed the safety. More recently, the trigger guard cracked off when I went to put it back in the rack (pillar through trigger guard type). Aside from that, accurate, heavy but crisp trigger, reasonably light, stainless barrel... Pity about the muck metal lower.

sketch

1st August 2013, 19:07

um you mention 2 rifles....which one do you want... the Rugger 10/22 or the Rem 597

That picture is the Rem 597

i might be crazy but i didnt think a 10/22 is specific to ruger ?, any 10 shot .22 can be known as a 10/22, but thanks for your concern, and im after the rem

jono035

1st August 2013, 19:11

a 10/22 isnt specific to ruger buddy, any 10 shot .22 can be known as a 10/22, but thanks for your concern, and im after the rem

The 10/22 is a specific model of Ruger rifle, not a generic description.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruger_10/22

See also: 10/17, 77/22 (note: This isn't a 77 shot .22 rifle), 22/45 pistol (this is a .22LR with a 1911 '45' angle grip).

Edit: Forgot about the 77/17, 77/357 and 77/44 which I'd love. Rotary magazine, .44 magnum... What's not to love?? Pity the magazine only holds 4 rounds though.

Akzle

1st August 2013, 19:34

Rotary magazine, .44 magnum... What's not to love?? Pity the magazine only holds 4 rounds though.

the m500 holds 5,
of 50ae.
But anything that needs more than one, well, bugger that.

Ruger had a nice 9mm carbine out a few years back, basically the 10/22 stock/frame, but a 9mm action. didnt seem to catch on... Handgun rounds in a rifle.

jono035

1st August 2013, 19:53

the m500 holds 5,
of 50ae.
But anything that needs more than one, well, bugger that.

Ruger had a nice 9mm carbine out a few years back, basically the 10/22 stock/frame, but a 9mm action. didnt seem to catch on... Handgun rounds in a rifle.

By M500 you mean the S&W Model 500 Revolver?

a) That's a pistol, not a rifle
b) It is chambered for S&W .500 Magnum, not 50AE
c) Both of those use hard to get/expensive projectiles, brass and loaded rounds

I never got to play with a PC9, but I've shot the 9mm and .45 Marlin Camp Carbine and briefly handled a Beretta CX4 Storm or whatever it's called at a gun show in the states last year. Wasn't a huge fan of the styling but it handled nicely.

The Camp Carbines were a lot of fun and pretty quiet to shoot suppressed.

I get that these weren't particularly popular, but it seems that every time I've seen one mentioned, the owners are thrilled with them. It's an oddity.

Personally I'd rather have fun with a pistol caliber carbine at 100m than a full rifle at 300m. Cheaper to shoot, suppresses better, easier to find somewhere to have fun with it.

Akzle

1st August 2013, 20:16

By M500 you mean the S&W Model 500 Revolver?

a) That's a pistol, not a rifle
b) It is chambered for S&W .500 Magnum, not 50AE
c) Both of those use hard to get/expensive projectiles, brass and loaded rounds

I never got to play with a PC9, but I've shot the 9mm and .45 Marlin Camp Carbine and briefly handled a Beretta CX4 Storm or whatever it's called at a gun show in the states last year. Wasn't a huge fan of the styling but it handled nicely.

The Camp Carbines were a lot of fun and pretty quiet to shoot suppressed.

I get that these weren't particularly popular, but it seems that every time I've seen one mentioned, the owners are thrilled with them. It's an oddity.

Personally I'd rather have fun with a pistol caliber carbine at 100m than a full rifle at 300m. Cheaper to shoot, suppresses better, easier to find somewhere to have fun with it.

right you are. Im sure there was a snub nose s&w shooting 50ae. Cant google it atm.

Check out the honeybadger. Fully supressd in .300 blackout, carbine/assault.
Yes, theres an AR style upper/frame that fits a glock pistol in, good fun!
Is the pc9 the ruger carbine?
Id love one.

Mr Merde

1st August 2013, 20:58

right you are. Im sure there was a snub nose s&w shooting 50ae. Cant google it atm.

Check out the honeybadger. Fully supressd in .300 blackout, carbine/assault.
Yes, theres an AR style upper/frame that fits a glock pistol in, good fun!
Is the pc9 the ruger carbine?
Id love one.

50AE in a revolver. As a rimless round you are talking about using a half moon or similar. In a snub nose (ususlly meaning under 3" barrel) this would be very fierce to shoot. The Desert Eagle handles it well as it is a very heavy pistol and soaks up the recoil.

Have fired a revolver chambered for the 45-70 round and one in the 500 S&W. wouldnt like to shoot either in a snubb ie.

Used to have a Charter Arms Bulldog in .44 spl with a 2 1/2 inch barrel. Very fierce toi shoot but once use to it it was a real stopper. Was my carry gi=un for a number of years overseas.

jono035

1st August 2013, 21:22

50AE in a revolver. As a rimless round you are talking about using a half moon or similar. In a snub nose (ususlly meaning under 3" barrel) this would be very fierce to shoot. The Desert Eagle handles it well as it is a very heavy pistol and soaks up the recoil.

Have fired a revolver chambered for the 45-70 round and one in the 500 S&W. wouldnt like to shoot either in a snubb ie.

Used to have a Charter Arms Bulldog in .44 spl with a 2 1/2 inch barrel. Very fierce toi shoot but once use to it it was a real stopper. Was my carry gi=un for a number of years overseas.

Remember the jacketed .44 mag rounds I had through the Taurus? That's a heavy old slab and it was lively enough for me. Amazing how well you can feel the counter-torque. The bulldog would have been plenty feisty! 45-70? Jeez.

I've shot the DE with .44mag hot-as-hell handloads and it's quite manageable exactly because of the weight. I didn't find it that enjoyable though because of all the moving mass, feels really unwieldy. A more powerful round through a revolver is such a different experience.

Akzle: I saw the Honey Badger back before I was building up my 300 Blackout AR-15. I wasn't such a huge fan of the tacticool look of it, though, but it's a pretty neat idea.

The PC9 is the Ruger 9mm carbine, yeah.

Do you mean the HERA Arms or Roni carbine kits? I've seen a few people playing with them but never shot one. They were a novelty toy here for a while then it seemed people started going off them when they realised there was no point because you couldn't use them in competition. I think they are getting together specific competitions and 3-gun style rounds where you can use them now, though. They'd be a lot better toy anywhere other than NZ.

nseagoon

2nd August 2013, 12:27

How are your Stirlings holidng up? I've got a 16P that is my bush bashing gun. The back of the lower cracked and the safety pivot pin fell sideways into the trigger mechanism. Removed the safety. More recently, the trigger guard cracked off when I went to put it back in the rack (pillar through trigger guard type). Aside from that, accurate, heavy but crisp trigger, reasonably light, stainless barrel... Pity about the muck metal lower.

They are great. Both are old but still accurate. Haven't had anything break but have looked after the internals. I had an issue with my safety too but that was a part that had moved out of place. I haven't had any issues since. The 20p has an old unknown brand post scope that I've never had any issues with either.

The model 20 is an interesting custom job. Barrel is shortened and custom stock lengthened so the barrel and stock finish at the same point. It has Ivory trim and checked pistol grip. The trigger is also worked and lightened.

leathel

2nd August 2013, 12:37

One day I will drag the Stirling out I have and clean it up, old owner was a bit hard on it but it was still working when I was given it, I have a Rem 597 Stainless Laminate that I mostly use if I want a semi, Brno mod 2 is mostly what I use though :)

peril 787b

2nd August 2013, 16:36

Indiana_Jones

12th August 2013, 09:49

The mrs's step father is selling some of his firearms, a Miroku shotgun and a Ruger .22 semi auto

He says the Ruger has a straight clip and I can't find any other type of Ruger semi a part from the 10/22, so I'm going to assume that they used to come with straight clips before the rotary mags?

I assume the action etc is all the same?

-Indy

nseagoon

12th August 2013, 10:23

The mrs's step father is selling some of his firearms, a Miroku shotgun and a Ruger .22.

He says the Ruger has a straight clip and I can't find any other type of Ruger a part from thw 10/22, so I'm going to assume that they used to come with straight clips before the rotary mags?

I assume the action etc is all the same?

-Indy

if it's bolt action could just be an older rifle.
if it's semi auto either it's an old one that uses the mkI or II pistol magazine, or it's a 10/22 semi auto using an after market magazine.
I'd be a bit careful if it's a stick mag on a 10/22.
I'm assuming it'll be A catergory, therefore anything over 15 rounds will be illegal.
if it's the bolt action that takes the same mags as the 10/22 then it doesn't matter, anything goes.

Indiana_Jones

12th August 2013, 10:48

Whoops, should have said it was a semi auto .22, not a bolt action.

10 round mag, he said it was an older rifle (I'm thinking 20+ years).

-Indy

nseagoon

12th August 2013, 18:04

hmmm sounds interesting.
I've done a bit of browsing and can't find a .22 ruger semi rifle that doesn't use rotating mags. I can only think maybe one of the after market mags is being used but has a block over 10 rounds.

or as I said, something based around the mkI or II pistol.

the 10/22 has been around for quite a few years now, 30ish I think.

pictures would probably help, got me curious.

leathel

12th August 2013, 18:41

10/22 dates back to the early 60's and to my knowledge the only semi .22 rifle Ruger did was 10/22

they did semi pistols and different Cals of coarse but if it is Ruger then it a weird mag as I though they only did the rotary

A pic says a thousand words... post up a pic of it :)

Indiana_Jones

12th August 2013, 19:43

Just found out it is a 10/22, but no picture.

He sounded pretty sure it had a straight clip.

Maybe something like this?

http://www.survival-gear-guide.com/image-files/ruger-10-22-scoped.jpg

-Indy

carburator

12th August 2013, 20:18

Just found out it is a 10/22, but no picture.
He sounded pretty sure it had a straight clip.
Maybe something like this?
-Indy

Ruger 10/22 production dates from 1964, ruger has a database for serial number/production dates.

Ruger has only produced the 10 shot rotary mags or the 25 clips.

a couple of aftermarket companies have produced magazines, butler creek for a start. but the rotary mag is still current ruger propriety rights
hence arm's corp can only copy the ruger not the magazine at the moment.

there are snail drums for the 10/22 ( ultra collectable )

Indiana_Jones

12th August 2013, 20:37

Going by the serial number this 10/22 was made in 1992.

I'll just have to assume it's a rotary mag and he's got it wrong. I'll see when/if I get it at the end of the year.

-Indy

Swoop

13th August 2013, 09:55

How wide is the top of the magazine?

The one in the photo looks like an after-market 25 round mag. They can still have the top section fitting into the magazine well that the OEM rotary magazine fits into.

"Clip" is a naff americanism. In the English speaking world we use the word "magazine".:spanking:

Akzle

13th August 2013, 11:31

jono035

13th August 2013, 11:55

Pretty sure he meant that incorrect use of the term 'clip' to refer to a magazine is an Americanism.

caseye

13th August 2013, 12:19

Nope, it's a 15 round banana mag with rotary feed at the top where it goes into the action, mystery solved.
The fifteen round mags were usually made by Butler Creek but others also copied them.Most of these clips jammed continuously, bloody nuisance on a 10/22.

Swoop

13th August 2013, 14:37

who invented stripper CLIPs?

The only type of "clip" is that given to unruly children's ears.

Fuck the PC bullshit.

scumdog

13th August 2013, 15:52

Pretty sure he meant that incorrect use of the term 'clip' to refer to a magazine is an Americanism.

And at times they call a charger a 'clip' (As in the type a Garand has)

jono035

13th August 2013, 16:25

And at times they call a charger a 'clip' (As in the type a Garand has)

Maybe they just can't remember that many different words?

Akzle

13th August 2013, 19:29

Pretty sure he meant that incorrect use of the term 'clip' to refer to a magazine is an Americanism.

a magazine is a stack of shot, from ye olden navel times, no?

and clip from the frog's en bloc clip, no?

Mr Merde

14th August 2013, 21:38

I'm looking for a set of reloading dies in 44-40.

SHops up here seem to be out of stock.

Anyone out there with a set they arent using please contact me.

Merde

Akzle

15th August 2013, 02:56

I'm looking for a set of reloading dies in 44-40.

SHops up here seem to be out of stock.

Anyone out there with a set they arent using please contact me.

Merde

any particular press?

jono035

15th August 2013, 03:28

Almost all dies are interchangeable between presses. They all use 7/8"-14tpi threads, apart from a few oddballs like .50BMG and its' derivatives, or the Dillon square deal pistol only press, etc.

jono035

15th August 2013, 03:30

I'm looking for a set of reloading dies in 44-40.

SHops up here seem to be out of stock.

Anyone out there with a set they arent using please contact me.

Merde

US$38.20 for Hornady cowboy 3 die set over here if you want?

Mr Merde

15th August 2013, 06:07

any particular press?

I have a Lee Turret press.

Chris

Mr Merde

15th August 2013, 06:09

US$38.20 for Hornady cowboy 3 die set over here if you want?

Yes Please. If you could bring a set back It would be much appreciated.

Chris

bobsmith

15th August 2013, 10:25

Anyone know anything about what's happening with this???

http://27.124.119.225/~nsanzorg/smf/index.php?topic=56.0

So much change could be around the corner but so little info...

Akzle

15th August 2013, 10:55

jono035

15th August 2013, 10:59

Nicely spotted, akzle.

Oddly, I think I was a couple of years ahead at the same school as one of the crown lawyers...

carburator

15th August 2013, 19:57

Anyone know anything about what's happening with this???

http://27.124.119.225/~nsanzorg/smf/index.php?topic=56.0

So much change could be around the corner but so little info...

currently three distributors next run of ( AR15 based ) guns are pending..
the dealer for wyndam arms is currently getting century arms based stocks made to cover the next shipment

mr ruger is sitting on the fence.
rock river / dpms arms dealer is doing the same

literally managed to snaffle four wyndhams off the dealer from the current fresh batch, got one left for sale..

even the arms office at the moment have no idea nor any time frame that will see a decision made..

scumdog

15th August 2013, 20:30

http://www.nzlii.org/cgi-bin/sinodisp/nz/cases/NZHC/2013/1813.html?query=MSSA

case law...

It burns my arse that somebody can pass the written test, pass the interviews etc - but not be granted their firearms licence unless THEY have suitable storage for a firearm that they have not even yet bought...:crazy:

Saying "I'll keep it at my mates place in his gun safe" apparently is not good enough???:wacko:

Akzle

15th August 2013, 20:58

It burns my arse that somebody can pass the written test, pass the interviews etc - but not be granted their firearms licence unless THEY have suitable storage for a firearm that they have not even yet bought...:crazy:

Saying "I'll keep it at my mates place in his gun safe" apparently is not good enough???:wacko:

it burns my ass that any member of the police, apparently including the hc, can make their own interpretation of legislation without being held to account in any way, then waste tax money at court.
Fuken jews.

nseagoon

30th August 2013, 19:15

Hey guys, it would be great to see some further support for this, it's an automatic submission to raise awareness with key personnel of some of the issues with the new arms amendment coming in the end of the year and what it will and might mean for kiwi firearms licence holders http://saveourpistolgrips.com/

Mr Merde

30th August 2013, 21:38

The powers that be dont care.When it went through comittee there were a lot of very sensible submissions and they were all ignored. The police want more power and thats exactly what the government has given them. carte Blanche to declare anything they dont like as a MMSA. I have been a member of the NSANZ since its inception and we have been fighting this for two years. Waste of time talking to COLFO they are only there for the large firearms dealers and the big shooting orgs. They were the first to tell shooters to just let the police do as thye wanted. Judith Collins illegaly holds a restricted weapon, namely a working stun gun , and she wants us plebs disarmed.
Best thing you can do is vote all of the blood sucking parasites out of parliament and replacing them with those whon care about thier electorate.

Chris

jono035

30th August 2013, 21:52

Yeah, I did the whole submission thing using that form but I can't help feeling it's essentially whining about a battle that was already lost.

I also asked some friends who are involved in politics how much good a form-e-mail type thing like that would do and got an answer of 'it'll probably result in the minister's aide saying something like '100 people e-mailed you a form letter about the arms amendment act' and then it will be ignored.

His suggestion was that if you want to do something about it, actually go and talk to your local MP (and hope that they aren't anti-gun).

What a crap system.

nseagoon

30th August 2013, 22:02

I agree it may not do much but it's better than not doing anything at all.
if anything it has drawn a lot of the firearms community together, I've seen some who are single shot rifle hunters write submissions where in the past they have denounced semi autos (some even bolt action owners too)
I believe there's been over 7000 submissions thus far.

I truely hope someone listens, and I also have been trying to have a face to face conversation with an MP.

we'll just have to wait for now. but best write a submission rather than submit :-)

Banditbandit

4th September 2013, 17:07

I also have been trying to have a face to face conversation with an MP.

You're armed and angry .. do you seriously expect to meet on face to face ???

jono035

4th September 2013, 17:35

You're armed and angry .. do you seriously expect to meet on face to face ???

If he has a FAL then he's considered fit and proper to own and use firearms as well as unlikely to have any recent convictions. I'd imagine that, on average, FAL holders are more law abiding than non FAL holders...

nseagoon

5th September 2013, 06:26

You're armed and angry .. do you seriously expect to meet on face to face ???

it's not as though I'm 'carrying' and I have never and never will have any intention to use any firearms against anyone so that is a moot point.

as for meeting unfortunately I've become too busy but I have been given the go ahead to visit this MP's office any time and try organise a meeting. he gave me the timings he is usually in his office.
I have however been in phone and email contact and he has been quite receptive to discussions thus far so a meeting (with this MP isn't too necessary)

unfortunately I haven't had too much success with my local MP's. it seems that attempting to meet an MP out of town is easier than the ones down the road.

Road kill

8th September 2013, 21:58

If he has a FAL then he's considered fit and proper to own and use firearms as well as unlikely to have any recent convictions. I'd imagine that, on average, FAL holders are more law abiding than non FAL holders...

The largest group of police vetted people in NZ all found to be honest and of good reputation.

Yet the press paint us as the bad guys.

Soon enough it will all be illegal and the worse the world economy gets the more likely it is to happen.

The worlds run by people that don't want to be over thrown or displaced at gun point by pissed off commoners so taking the firearms off them well in advance is always on the cards.

It's just a matter of time.

Swoop

10th September 2013, 12:04

Well, this is a turn up for the books...

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/iowa-grants-gun-permits-to-the-blind-174507640.html

Banditbandit

11th September 2013, 15:06

If he has a FAL then he's considered fit and proper to own and use firearms as well as unlikely to have any recent convictions. I'd imagine that, on average, FAL holders are more law abiding than non FAL holders...

it's not as though I'm 'carrying' and I have never and never will have any intention to use any firearms against anyone so that is a moot point.

Gawd .. so serious ... lighten up people .... go out a ride a bike or something ...

nseagoon

12th September 2013, 14:19

Gawd .. so serious ... lighten up people .... go out a ride a bike or something ...

fair call.
I just get really cautious about people making light hearted jokes or comments about potential illegal use of firearms.

I'd love to ride my bike except some idiot sold it and decided they didn't need one for a year. (stupid me)

Akzle

12th September 2013, 17:16

fair call.
I just get really cautious about people making light hearted jokes or comments about potential illegal use of firearms.

I'd love to ride my bike except some idiot sold it and decided they didn't need one for a year. (stupid me)

potentially using firearms illegally is one of my hobbies!
Along with potentially riding motorcycles illegally, potentially consuming class a through c drugs illegally, potentially using hookers illegally....sometimes potentially all at once.

Man! Never underestimate potentially illegal activities!

scumdog

12th September 2013, 21:03

potentially using firearms illegally is one of my hobbies!
Along with potentially riding motorcycles illegally, potentially consuming class a through c drugs illegally, potentially using hookers illegally....sometimes potentially all at once.

Man! Never underestimate potentially illegal activities!

Or the potential penalties...:nya::lol:

Akzle

13th September 2013, 07:07

Or the potential penalties...:nya::lol:

i dont understand the question. There are none.

scumdog

14th September 2013, 11:44

i dont understand the question. There are none.

Potentially...

Banditbandit

19th September 2013, 11:34

i dont understand the question. There are none.

Yeah ... a friend of mine just spent time at Her Majesty's pleasure - learning the penalties of illegally using a firearm ...

Akzle

19th September 2013, 11:55

Yeah ... a friend of mine just spent time at Her Majesty's pleasure - learning the penalties of illegally using a firearm ...

tama?
Hes silly at kangaroo court...

Wingnut

21st September 2013, 06:17

Howdeeee

Am on the look out for a bolt action 223. Thought it may be worth asking here on the off chance someone might be looking at selling one..

Ta.

awa355

21st September 2013, 07:27

Some may have seen this before. A ' real goat ' gun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wT1xkRpCKk

leathel

21st September 2013, 07:37

Howdeeee

Am on the look out for a bolt action 223. Thought it may be worth asking here on the off chance someone might be looking at selling one..

Ta.

I just went a new Marlin, It shoots like a demon... The kids have taken pigs goats and fallow deer with it now :D

Wingnut

21st September 2013, 07:44

I just went a new Marlin, It shoots like a demon... The kids have taken pigs goats and fallow deer with it now :D

Cool. How much did it cost? Was it new... I was thinking about a Tikka T3. I am not too hung up on specific brands as long as it shoots well.

I have a Marlin .22 magnum and it is quite a reliable unit. Especially as it only cost $350...

leathel

21st September 2013, 08:19

Cool. How much did it cost? Was it new... I was thinking about a Tikka T3. I am not too hung up on specific brands as long as it shoots well.

I have a Marlin .22 magnum and it is quite a reliable unit. Especially as it only cost $350...

I got mine new but was a super special deal.... under $700 but can't remember exctly

Wingnut

24th September 2013, 18:47

I got mine new but was a super special deal.... under $700 but can't remember exctly

Got sick of looking so have a new Tikka T3 on the way... Now to modify n pimp......

Mr Merde

25th September 2013, 21:48

I was selling my Weatherby Vanguard in .223 but no one was interested.
Scope, bipod and sling.

Chris

sAsLEX

27th September 2013, 07:33

A few toys in the shed to play with over the next year......

sAsLEX

27th September 2013, 07:35

and some more...

all operational, and sorry Mr Merde the wall of flintlocks and other blackpowder goodies didn't come out in the picture.

Swoop

27th September 2013, 10:31

That looks like a lot of fun.

scumdog

28th September 2013, 20:18

A few toys in the shed to play with over the next year......

Bren.

Where's the Bren?

I can shoot quite well with one.

Despite being left-handed...

GCSB Thought Police

3rd October 2013, 09:37

A few toys in the shed to play with over the next year......

and some more...

all operational, and sorry Mr Merde the wall of flintlocks and other blackpowder goodies didn't come out in the picture.

Yes, we were very interested to see that collection. Thank you for your notification - you need do nothing further. You can expect a visit shortly. And I'm terribly sorry, but we will not be giving you notice of our visit.

Banditbandit

3rd October 2013, 12:49

tama?
Hes silly at kangaroo court...

Who ???? (Or are you simply misspelling the man's name ???)

Akzle

3rd October 2013, 19:35

Who ???? (Or are you simply misspelling the man's name ???)

fuckd if i know

sAsLEX

3rd October 2013, 20:48

Yes, we were very interested to see that collection. Thank you for your notification - you need do nothing further. You can expect a visit shortly. And I'm terribly sorry, but we will not be giving you notice of our visit.

Good luck with the armed guards and the dogs!

nudemetalz

4th October 2013, 14:23

..and on another note.
Watching the US Marines in Afghan doco on Nat Geo last night "Battleground Brothers". (yes I quite like it)

There was a scene where the Talis let loose in a firefight against them. They had the M249's, 240's and the M2 .50 cals going for it (as well as the Abrams eventually).
What interested me was the dude on the .50 cal could only get off about 5-10 rounds before having to recock the weapon each time. It would start firing at a reasonable rate and then get slower and slower to the point of firing one round at a time.
Would this be due to the barrel getting some serious overheating? They did say the day would get up over 50 degrees C !!!
The 7.62s and 5.56's were firing as normal.

I've fired the C9 before in our Army in my time as a Terri and from memory we had to change the barrel after a few hundred rounds due to heating. I remember carrying a couple of the spare ones on exercises.

Swoop

4th October 2013, 15:59

the .50 cal could only get off about 5-10 rounds before having to recock the weapon each time. It would start firing at a reasonable rate and then get slower and slower to the point of firing one round at a time.
Would this be due to the barrel getting some serious overheating? They did say the day would get up over 50 degrees C !!!
A common problem if fired for a considerable time. There can be a build up of tiny brass filings which affects the rate of fire. Heat is another issue.
Nothing beats a .50 though!!

carburator

4th October 2013, 18:59

sAsLEX

5th November 2013, 04:43

leathel

5th November 2013, 06:36

Questions for a couple of projects I am looking into.

I have a 700 SPS Tactical in .308 with the standard bendy heavy stock, does anyone have suggestions for a replacement? I am intending on lightening it up a bit to keep as a bush/hunting gun. Also going to get it silenced, was intending through Gunworks in Chch, anyone get a better suggestion? Whilst I am at it getting the 10/22 done as well.

Has anyone fluted a bull barrel like that before? How much weight can I expect to save?

Also looking into a project rifle in 6.5x47 Lapua, can anyone tell me of brass availability in NZ for this cal?

Cheers

brass, that cal is not that cheap for brass but it has come down, it used to be over $2 each

http://www.belmontammunition.com/index.php?page=components&class=9&cat=Rifle+Cases

I dont know weather I would flute a factory barrel...... things can go sour if the barrel is under stress at all

Swoop

5th November 2013, 07:59

Also going to get it silenced, was intending through Gunworks in Chch, anyone get a better suggestion? Whilst I am at it getting the 10/22 done as well.
http://sub-silentsuppressors.com/

This chap is in Auckland and does nice work.
I can give you his contact details if you like.

leathel

5th November 2013, 08:14

http://sub-silentsuppressors.com/

This chap is in Auckland and does nice work.
I can give you his contact details if you like.

Christ some of those are hideous! and look as heavy as hell.... some look OK but I would have to see the weights before I looked seriously... but its hard to take his page seriously :wacko:

sAsLEX

5th November 2013, 08:49

brass, that cal is not that cheap for brass but it has come down, it used to be over $2 each

http://www.belmontammunition.com/index.php?page=components&class=9&cat=Rifle+Cases

I dont know weather I would flute a factory barrel...... things can go sour if the barrel is under stress at all

Looked into that a bit more and the internet being the internet there is def some mixed opinions.

Gunworks do fluting and have done a 700 recently, though the stress issue does seem to outweigh the positives

leathel

5th November 2013, 08:55

Looked into that a bit more and the internet being the internet there is def some mixed opinions.

Gunworks do fluting and have done a 700 recently, though the stress issue does seem to outweigh the positives

do you reload? If you do a change in harminics of the barrel can be offset with a load to match....worst case you could re barrel with a slightly lighter profiled fluted barrel.....its only money :P

sAsLEX

5th November 2013, 09:10

.....its only money :P

Such a finite resource! I am a little hesitant to pour money into the .308, its good fitness carrying around the heavy beast so will just upgrade the stock as the standard one touches the barrel when used with a bipod.

leathel

5th November 2013, 09:47

Such a finite resource! I am a little hesitant to pour money into the .308, its good fitness carrying around the heavy beast so will just upgrade the stock as the standard one touches the barrel when used with a bipod.

chew the front out of the current stock..... light weight stock will unbalance the rifle.

A 308 will out shoot most peoples skills, yes it a tad easier for distance with big cals but reloading 308 will get as far as most will ever shoot... ;)

Swoop

5th November 2013, 11:21

Christ some of those are hideous! and look as heavy as hell.... some look OK but I would have to see the weights before I looked seriously
Yes, he does some "different" things BUT it is what you want.
Alloy or Carbon Fibre? Lengths? Diameters?

Personally I dislike the "gaudy" stuff he does but if you are after hard anodised alloy and simple, he is located just off of the motorway heading west.
A chat can't hurt.

Akzle

5th November 2013, 16:26

rog, is also the pastor at te atatu baptist. He used to do some v. Styley stuff. Also has a hot blue tank and a good toolroom.

As for stocks, theres heaps for the rems, the 700 in particular.
Macmillan and carson come to mind )im a few woodstocks in. Stand to be corectd)
hogue -carbon is good, free float a must.
Blueprint the action.
As for the barel, swap it for a truflite with twist and contour to suit your loads/slugs.
I think they also do a cryogenic treatment to remove stresses if youre just going to machine yours.
Any monkey with a lathe mill could do the work for you.

frogfeaturesFZR

5th November 2013, 17:37

DPT suppressors in Tokoroa. Have one on my Howa, beautiful workmanship, and a great price.
I'll be using Darren again for a suppressor for my 22 mag.

nseagoon

5th November 2013, 19:23

there are heaps of suppressor companies in NZ.
Dan Hardy
Robbie Tiffen / Gunworks
DPT
Waitaki
MAE
Oceania Defence
the list goes on. I'm sure they are all very good, I personally would choose Gunworks if on a budget. I've heard customer service is good and he is the only qualified gunsmith in NZ (correct me if I'm wrong) the others are firearm technicians. shouldn't really make a difference when just choosing a suppressor though.
Robbie is also an armorer in the NZDF so I'm hoping he'd know his stuff.
ODL/oceania defence ltd makes light weight 3d printed titanium suppressors, I've heard they are hearing safe and extremely light weight, they also blow less pressure back into the barrel, great if you're going to use on a semi auto too. However the price is quite steep compared to the others.

jono035

24th November 2013, 15:27

Questions for a couple of projects I am looking into.

I have a 700 SPS Tactical in .308 with the standard bendy heavy stock, does anyone have suggestions for a replacement? I am intending on lightening it up a bit to keep as a bush/hunting gun. Also going to get it silenced, was intending through Gunworks in Chch, anyone get a better suggestion? Whilst I am at it getting the 10/22 done as well.

Has anyone fluted a bull barrel like that before? How much weight can I expect to save?

Also looking into a project rifle in 6.5x47 Lapua, can anyone tell me of brass availability in NZ for this cal?

Cheers

100% behind the suggestion of Robbie at Gunworks. I'm just mucking around with my AR now and I'm still extremely happy with the result of everything I had him do.

Just getting sorted to have a play with it next weekend, work up a new load for it etc.

carver

1st December 2013, 15:36

Hey guys

I am noting some inaccuracy in my '18 AR15 when hot. (too hot to touch)
is it the ammo? (barnaul HP)
O\or is it the barrel warping?

frogfeaturesFZR

1st December 2013, 16:31

Hey guys

I am noting some inaccuracy in my '18 AR15 when hot. (too hot to touch)
is it the ammo? (barnaul HP)
O\or is it the barrel warping?

What size groups when you first start shooting ?
How much expansion do you get when the barrel heats up ?

carver

3rd December 2013, 05:27

What size groups when you first start shooting ?
How much expansion do you get when the barrel heats up ?

the thing is, the point of aim seems to shift, its always to the right by about '2 @250m

frogfeaturesFZR

3rd December 2013, 05:45

Then as the barrel gets hot, its expanding and touching the stock. As this happens the barrel 'harmonics' change. In effect it vibrates in A Different way.

Swoop

3rd December 2013, 10:38

I am noting some inaccuracy in my '18 AR15 when hot. (too hot to touch)
is it the ammo? (barnaul HP)
O\or is it the barrel warping?

The older Colt manufactured AR's, used to have 2 different outside barrel diameters. A "standard" and a "heavy barrel" or "H-bar" version.

Do you know which version yours is? Or perhaps an M4 profile?

carver

3rd December 2013, 16:47

Its quite new, a NEA AR15

I dont see how it can touch the stock, as it is basically full floating

http://www.nzar15.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=33_70&products_id=134

nseagoon

4th December 2013, 04:08

After how many rounds are you talking? They are guaranteed sub moa rifles. Check your groupings at 100m in 5 round groups a couple of times.

carver

4th December 2013, 05:32

After how many rounds are you talking? They are guaranteed sub moa rifles. Check your groupings at 100m in 5 round groups a couple of times.

after about 100 rounds in 60min.
its also suppressed.

MSTRS

4th December 2013, 05:53

Anyone want to buy my 308?
Kriko. With a Kilwell varipower scope. And quite a few rounds too.

Akzle

4th December 2013, 09:06

Anyone want to buy my 308?
Kriko. With a Kilwell varipower scope. And quite a few rounds too.

four ninety nine, and a bag o chips

leathel

4th December 2013, 09:22

I have a Rem 742 243 (semi) sitting in the safe gathering dust if anyone is keen... 2 mags from memory, No scope on ATM but I am sure I will have something laying around that will work .

Offers

Quite tidy and shoots well. Just don't use it now I have the AR :)

Akzle

4th December 2013, 09:39

Akzle

4th December 2013, 09:48

definitely, four ninety nine and a bag of chips.

actually, having just googled that, i'm keener. five bucks, at least. does it has irons on?
i've got a plenty of scope lying around. ackley the bitch, rebarrel it and get my 19-50x back...

sAsLEX

5th December 2013, 23:33

after about 100 rounds in 60min.
its also suppressed.

What is the change in MV? Is it constant or does it start to move around a bit once the system is hot?

Suppressors can hold a lot of heat and take an ages to cool again once hot, try without?

leathel

6th December 2013, 10:07

http://sub-silentsuppressors.com/

This chap is in Auckland and does nice work.
I can give you his contact details if you like.

After finding more about one of the over barrel center fire ones I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole!

Some internals had bad gas erosion after 40 rounds, little grub screws holding it together popping out and had bad alignment of threads (can fitted by the maker) accuracy turned to shit as soon as it got warm.

They are binning it and getting a new MAE one, They dont want it replaced!

Akzle

6th December 2013, 11:12

After finding more about one of the over barrel center fire ones I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole!

Some internals had bad gas erosion after 40 rounds, little grub screws holding it together popping out and had bad alignment of threads (can fitted by the maker) accuracy turned to shit as soon as it got warm.

They are binning it and getting a new MAE one, They dont want it replaced!

he works mainly on air guns and RF, last i heard, he doesn't guarantee his CF supressors for anything, although he does test the dB reduction.

nseagoon

6th December 2013, 11:57

leathel

6th December 2013, 11:59

he works mainly on air guns and RF, last i heard, he doesn't guarantee his CF supressors for anything, although he does test the dB reduction.

He shouldn't be selling ones that are not well tested above the pressures supplied for... He is a nice guy to deal with but it could end up in court with someone loosing an eye or something.

Even some of his .22 mag rim fire ones have popped :crazy:

Nice guy doesn't make it a good product.

leathel

6th December 2013, 12:07

NZ made over barrel suppressors are not made milspec and aren't designed for sustained fire, primary purpose is a light weight item that is good for a few shots, enough to have a decent go at a mob of goats etc.

for example I have one on one of my bush rifles so I can take that snap shot without having to put on hearing protection.

if you want sustained fire (40+ RPM) in an over barrel be prepared to buy a heavy steel, expensive one. or if you want good middle ground, maybe a slightly less expensive 3d printed titanium alloy one from the likes of ODL.
many military suppressors are can/muzzle forward ones because they heat up lots and as mentioned over barrel do hold heat and will affect barrel characteristics.

if it's primary a range rifle then perhaps consider a muzzle brake but be aware it will interfere with the guy shooting beside you, unless it's for IPSC then that won't matter so much.

but they shouldn't start falling apart and erode the inners after a total of 40 rounds in std shooting (IE testing loads)

I have a few different ones but none are held together with grub screws and some have had hundreds of rounds threw them with

Breaks are OK in paddock rages but are a PITA in covered ranges... The echo and percussion isn't great even as shooter. OK in open air ranges and the break on my RUM has had my son shooting it since he was 8 with 208gr pills doing 3100fps

nseagoon

6th December 2013, 14:44

but they shouldn't start falling apart and erode the inners after a total of 40 rounds in std shooting (IE testing loads)

I have a few different ones but none are held together with grub screws and some have had hundreds of rounds threw them with

Breaks are OK in paddock rages but are a PITA in covered ranges... The echo and percussion isn't great even as shooter. OK in open air ranges and the break on my RUM has had my son shooting it since he was 8 with 208gr pills doing 3100fps

you're right, they shouldn't fall apart at all. I should mention I have a suppressor but not a subsilent.
I was referencing the other manufacturers such as DPT, MAE and Gunworks etc. they are great when used within what they're designed to do but not sustained fire as the poster mentioned above.

I have brake/flash suppressors on a few rifles, but I only use them at the range if I'm sighting in. I feel really rude shooting one beside someone else.

I'm taking note on various designs NZ manufacturers are using so I can complete my De Lisle carbine project. I'll get a smith to headspace and turn the barrel but I'll be giving a go at making my own over barrel suppressor, integral muzzle brake included. Needless to say I won't be using grub screws.

sAsLEX

7th December 2013, 01:54

Breaks are OK in paddock rages but are a PITA in covered ranges... The echo and percussion isn't great even as shooter. OK in open air ranges and the break on my RUM has had my son shooting it since he was 8 with 208gr pills doing 3100fps

Whats worse is some of the new Spec Ops rounds/rifles where they want power from small short barreled weapons and the powder hasn't fully burnt before the projectile leaves the barrel, the muzzle flash and slap of of the fireball is rather off putting! Cant recall the weapon we were firing but the concussive blast was significantly worse than the .338 we were firing at the same time and the fireball at the end of the barrel would have been 3 feet in diameter.

carver

7th December 2013, 05:33

What is the change in MV? Is it constant or does it start to move around a bit once the system is hot?

Suppressors can hold a lot of heat and take an ages to cool again once hot, try without?

The suppressor was too hot to touch, it was walking 1 inch to the right per shot at 250m

After finding more about one of the over barrel center fire ones I wouldn't touch one with a barge pole!

Some internals had bad gas erosion after 40 rounds, little grub screws holding it together popping out and had bad alignment of threads (can fitted by the maker) accuracy turned to shit as soon as it got warm.

They are binning it and getting a new MAE one, They dont want it replaced!

Thats the type I have! 1/2 O/B

He shouldn't be selling ones that are not well tested above the pressures supplied for... He is a nice guy to deal with but it could end up in court with someone loosing an eye or something.

Even some of his .22 mag rim fire ones have popped :crazy:

Nice guy doesn't make it a good product.

I will try run it without it on, and see, it will be interesting

Indiana_Jones

11th December 2013, 22:11

sAsLEX

11th December 2013, 23:57

I see those cunts on the news tonight wanking on about the new free-standing grip laws, but it looks like they backed down on the thumb hole stocks. Does it include bolt actions and semi shotguns?

-Indy

The police state it has been well advertised......Doesnt include Druganov style or thumbholes. Also changes to Airguns and Paintball markers.

http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/mssa-pamphlet-form-f.pdf

http://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/publication/online-version/important-changes-arms-act-1983-semi-automatic-firearm-air-rifle

jono035

12th December 2013, 05:48

leathel

12th December 2013, 06:35

I see those cunts on the news tonight wanking on about the new free-standing grip laws, but it looks like they backed down on the thumb hole stocks. Does it include bolt actions and semi shotguns?

-Indy

I believe there are some thumbhole stocks heading to NZ ATM that are supposed to be OK, Time will tell.

I wont be one of the first one buying them :P

Mind you I think E-cat is a batter way to go :)

Akzle

12th December 2013, 06:48

I see those cunts on the news tonight wanking on about the new free-standing grip laws, but it looks like they backed down on the thumb hole stocks. Does it include bolt actions and semi shotguns?

-Indy

what happened there was that the police decided to mis-interpret the statute. the thing is, it's not the polices job to interpret statute, merely enforce it.
it was tested at court (by someone representing the cuntmissioner) and the police lost. (costs not awarded iirc)

then teh old boys network kicked in and we have a new arms import regulations and miscellaneous other shit to disarm the population act.
it passed 3rd reading and will be de facto law about june next year.

the thing with the air gun restrictions is you can't import an AIR pistol if it looks like a firearm, "without having the appearance of any particular firearm"
so... you can't import bananas, because they look like a pistol if you paint them black and squint a bit.

Akzle

12th December 2013, 06:50

Mind you I think E-cat is a batter way to go :)

get your b & c at the same time and only pay one endorsement fee (200$) the storage reqs are the same, too.

but yeah, nah. giving the police even more authority to track you, drop in for a coffee and a look at your tool box, registering your guns, more expensive storage reqs, being targeted by the non-blue gangs for theivery....
e'erybody get E cat!

leathel

12th December 2013, 06:53

get your b & c at the same time and only pay one endorsement fee (200$) the storage reqs are the same, too.

but yeah, nah. giving the police even more authority to track you, drop in for a coffee and a look at your tool box, registering your guns, more expensive storage reqs, being targeted by the non-blue gangs for theivery....
e'erybody get E cat!

would be good to get a B but to much stuffing around for that one, I don't have the time to comply with that.

Akzle

12th December 2013, 07:53

would be good to get a B but to much stuffing around for that one, I don't have the time to comply with that.

same 6mm safe is reqd. go to your pistol club now,
~6 months proby.

discuss with your AO, whather he'll let you pay it now and get it ticked off down the line.

leathel

12th December 2013, 08:32

same 6mm safe is reqd. go to your pistol club now,
~6 months proby.

discuss with your AO, whather he'll let you pay it now and get it ticked off down the line.

Dude I have very few free weekends as it is hence the no time, I wont be fucking around at pistol clubs if I have a free weekend I will be in the bush or on the road or dirt on motorbikes or fishing ;)

Indiana_Jones

12th December 2013, 09:00

The police state it has been well advertised......Doesnt include Druganov style or thumbholes. Also changes to Airguns and Paintball markers.

http://www.police.govt.nz/sites/default/files/publications/mssa-pamphlet-form-f.pdf

http://www.police.govt.nz/about-us/publication/online-version/important-changes-arms-act-1983-semi-automatic-firearm-air-rifle

Thanks for the link mate.

Glad to see one can still have a Dragunov stock and that these rules only apply to Semiauto rifles, I was worried they were going to try and enforce it on bolt action ones also.

what happened there was that the police decided to mis-interpret the statute. the thing is, it's not the polices job to interpret statute, merely enforce it.
it was tested at court (by someone representing the cuntmissioner) and the police lost. (costs not awarded iirc)

then teh old boys network kicked in and we have a new arms import regulations and miscellaneous other shit to disarm the population act.
it passed 3rd reading and will be de facto law about june next year.

the thing with the air gun restrictions is you can't import an AIR pistol if it looks like a firearm, "without having the appearance of any particular firearm"
so... you can't import bananas, because they look like a pistol if you paint them black and squint a bit.

Yup, have been following this for a while (haven't lately as it kinda dropped out of the media radar/having a baby).

So pretty much all that has happened is that they have made the status-quo the law it seems.

-Indy

sAsLEX

12th December 2013, 09:44

So pretty much all that has happened is that they have made the status-quo the law it seems.

-Indy

Not really, this was bought up by a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_SL8, which was labelled as a pistol grip by the fuzz. These are fine now. So is my little .22!!

leathel

12th December 2013, 10:04

So pretty much all that has happened is that they have made the status-quo the law it seems.

-Indy

The old law got challenged to what a military stock was and they lost allowing free standing pistol grip as A.... now its no longer A but the threat that thumb hole etc stocks were going to be looks like just that ... a threat and not law

So at least you can still get a stock that the safety can be used with the thumb

I guess the free standing law is so that don't have semis that have no workings in the stock having a removable top piece so it then becomes easy to conceal ?

Akzle

12th December 2013, 10:09

The old law got challenged to what a military stock was and they lost allowing free standing pistol grip as A.... now its no longer A but the threat that thumb hole etc stocks were going to be looks like just that ... a threat and not law

a "military pattern" free standing pistol grip has "been generally accepted by the shooting community" to be E cat.

this is written into to the new "law" which also states (sic) "we considered getting someone who actually knows shit about guns to help us out on this, but we actually don't give a fuck and are only retro-actively making legislation to keep some jews paid and remove the egg from the cuntmissioner's face."
thank.you. women in parliament!

I guess the free standing law is so that don't have semis that have no workings in the stock having a removable top piece so it then becomes easy to conceal ?
no, as above.

Indiana_Jones

12th December 2013, 10:52

Not really, this was bought up by a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_SL8, which was labelled as a pistol grip by the fuzz. These are fine now. So is my little .22!!

Yup they tried to say they were free-standing grips, but clearly they're not.

-Indy

Swoop

12th December 2013, 11:06

They don't seem to like the type of "thumbhole" stock that only has a metal rod connecting across from the butt stock to the base of the pistol grip (a.k.a. "gun-city special").

sAsLEX

13th December 2013, 03:50

Yeah, only 'free-standing' grips. When I said I had a rifle with a free-standing grip, the arms officer also asked if it was 2 separate pieces or moulded together like some of the ATI stocks. I should have pressed him for some more details on that one, really.

Either way, installed my E-cat safe last weekend so I'll be adding that endorsement first thing in the new year. Joy.

Might pay to get a stock like here- http://www.fishnhunt.co.nz/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1386563454 for when/if you sell the AR15 for a decent gun...... a lot of the guys over here (UK Mil) have a deep an undying passionate hatred for the direct gas system they use.

There is a German redesign by HK that uses rod actuation instead, but the American stupidity made them want something that looked like an M4 et. al. so the Germans had to put a forward assist on it even though their design no longer required it. Such as can be seen here -http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/97/HK416.jpg&imgrefurl=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heckler_%26_Koch_HK416&h=834&w=2143&sz=244&tbnid=FSJgpK0NLc70RM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=231&zoom=1&usg=__WN1QP1aEeTpWkA530NON1Zwq2Z8=&docid=qJMwW1ysvdp4vM&sa=X&ei=NdupUtfoHM2ThQfF2YDIDg&ved=0CEAQ9QEwAg

Silly Americans...

nseagoon

16th December 2013, 16:57

It's not just the 416 that is piston driven, some parts of the US military are going to american piston uppers on their ARs.

as for the rifles themselves, while they aren't the best thing ever I think they're decent. mine is sub MOA out of the box and, light yet sturdy. I'm not going to bother with a piston system because it's not for military use and even a big 3 gun match won't heat up the system enough to require piston. it just comes down to personal preference.
I think of it as lego for adults. pull two pins and you can change calibres, etc. everything is able to be worked on by average joe. even replacing the barrel. not too many rifles are able to be modded like that without involving a gunsmith.

in saying that, speaking of H&K and the UK military we could discuss the dogs body that was the L98A1 (SA80) :-p
it only took the military two models to get that one acceptable.
Meanwhile the AR15 is up to the A4 and still changing....

awa355

24th December 2013, 16:41

Here's one who made his mark in the firearms world.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/9550337/Kalashnikov-designer-dies-in-hospital

sAsLEX

31st December 2013, 23:14

Akzle

1st January 2014, 07:12

Has anyone done this recently?

I have found a stock/chassis system I want to put my R700 into however the manufacturer will only ship to US postal addresses, he has given me www.reloadinginternational.com ; as a possible export agent and mentioned requiring a US export license.

Is there somewhere concise that holds the information required around this process?

Cheers,

the US have to put up wit the ATF, they have silly rules about shotguns...
as i understand, a licensed person/company can export WITHOUT A PERMIT but need to fill in a NOTICE (atf X), however, NZ side you will need a permit to procure (pol 51 IIRC) and that may well need to be sighted stateside before it leaves. (meeb as part of atx form)

never done it, that's just what i've heard along the way.

sAsLEX

7th January 2014, 06:13

Stevens Model 200 7mm08 - Any good? Just wanting to build a light hunting stick and may have access to one for cheap.

jasonu

19th January 2014, 15:01

Not guns but I scored a couple of cool knives today. The longer one is a Camill WW2 US Navy Mk2 combat knife and the other is a Glock 81 survival knife.
$5 bucks each.

jono035

7th February 2014, 21:25

Bloody hell, it's a little dead around here at the moment...

Dunno if you lot remember, but I posted a proof of concept for the basic mechanism for a 3D printed bullet feeder. Figured you might be interested to see where it went. I've pretty much got the project done and dusted now.

It's based around a ~200mm diameter circular bowl with a 100mm high wall around it. There is a rotating platter inside with channels cut out for the bullets to settle into and then slide down as it rotates. At the inside edge of the platter there's a slightly raised platform that creates enough of a lip that the flat base of a bullet will ride around it. The nose of the RN bullet will cause the bullet to fall out and back into the mass of bullets. This is exactly the same principle as several other bullet feeders on the market (notably the Hornady one). Once the bullets get to the 'top' of the travel of the platter, they fall into a port that funnels them through the backplate and out into the hose, past a microswitch that stops the motor if the feed tube fills up.

I've used PLA plastic to print it out of, largely because it has a relatively slick surface so I'm using it for all the bearing surfaces. The printer bed is glass so the bottom side of any print is extremely flat and smooth. This means that as long as the parts are printed such that the bottom of one part is running on the bottom of the other, there is surprisingly little friction/wear. This is how the platter bears the weight of the bullets, although I have greased it slightly with some surplus moly/lithium grease. I've also printed the drive gear and coupler to the motor shaft, which turns the platter by means of an involute gear form on the underside of the platter.

All told, the feeder uses about 500-600g of PLA (about $30), a cheap 12V 36rpm gearhead motor ($25), a microswitch ($4), a few M4 fasteners, a short length of 13mm reinforced PVC fuel hose (~$5?) and a random 4x2 offcut as the mount to my bench (with a couple of cheap Irwin clamps).

In addition to this, I'm using the Double Alpha bullet feed die and case mouth belling insert for the Dillon bullet feeder. This was about 80 Euro, shipped. About 1/3 of that was shipping.

Currently I'm only using it with .45 caliber bullets because that's the only caliber I've got a bullet feed die for. I've tested it with .44 and 9mm with no issues at all on the round nose bullets. The hollow-point Berry's .44s are a bit too cylindrical to sort properly, but it's a pretty straightforward fix that I can either design in or do with a file if I decide to start mass-loading hollow-points.

So far I'd guess that I've run about 10k bullets through the feeder mechanism without maintenance or replacement. I've counted 1500 rounds while testing on the bench and another 1k rounds while testing the bullet feed die. That was probably 30-45 minutes of runtime each time and I've run the feeder for hours. At one point I left it running in the garage for a couple of hours and just came back to dump bullets back into the hopper every 10-15 minutes or so to see if anything bound up/overheated.

In terms of actual loaded rounds, I've made up about 100 with it, but I haven't run any through the gun yet because I'm waiting for the range to open back up. Sunday is the day for testing out the new pistol, so I'll go through the rounds then and, assuming one of the options for loads works well, I'll probably load up a few hundred rounds with it in one sitting and see how that goes.

http://youtu.be/-MOK2Q-ZHSI - Shows the rough idea behind the feeder.
http://youtu.be/Ky32xijWmpg - Testing the feed rate and cut-off switch. I let the tube fill while watching the bullets for correct orientation about 30 times.
http://youtu.be/HHHgaF_4Lig - Showing the unit strapped to the bench and the first ~30 rounds I loaded with it.
http://youtu.be/MKtZIgfMyuw - Speed test with the completed system.
http://youtu.be/funKxaBpk7o - Brief narrated walkthrough of the design.

All in all, I started CAD work on this during the week I had off after New Years, had the first parts working within about a week and printed the last updated part about a week ago. I've just been playing with it since then, mostly.

There's a bunch of parts I want to tidy up, aesthetically, but there aren't any required modifications to the design from here on in. I'm not sure whether to keep it technicolour (trying to use a bunch of my spools 'evenly') or pick a colour scheme and reprint it. There are also a few 'nice to have' features like nut traps on a bunch of the parts to make assembly/disassembly less fiddly. I should also probably figure out a way of mounting it to the press rather than my bench, but it works at the moment and takes about 2 minutes to remove if I want to use the bench for something else.

sAsLEX

8th February 2014, 06:05

Bloody hell, it's a little dead around here at the moment...

Good to see some more porn on here!

That is awesome work mate. I wish I had access to a decent workshop/3D printer. Would be nice to be able to visualize and touch the CAD models I have made....

Is there a market for this?

Got two rifles in getting suppressed, just ordered a new Chassis system for the 700, and getting set up for reloading..... shame I don't get back in NZ till Aug so have to wait till then to play/

jono035

8th February 2014, 09:00

Good to see some more porn on here!

That is awesome work mate. I wish I had access to a decent workshop/3D printer. Would be nice to be able to visualize and touch the CAD models I have made....

Is there a market for this?

Got two rifles in getting suppressed, just ordered a new Chassis system for the 700, and getting set up for reloading..... shame I don't get back in NZ till Aug so have to wait till then to play/

I've only really got my garage with one desk for electronics stuff and then the reloading bench from the videos, but the 3D printer is set up on the dining room table at the moment. It's really quite amazing just how much stuff you can do that would normally require a quite hardcore metalworking setup. I've been stunned by the strength on some of the parts, too.

I haven't really considered the commercial implications of it, really. The fact that it relys on spending $150 on the feed die and belling insert puts it out of the range of something you'd buy just to have a stuff around with it, I guess. Also, it's probably damn near 48 hours straight of printing to get all the parts together. That's probably only an hour or two of actually paying attention to the printer, but there is wear and tear etc. to consider. My original plan was to get the design to the point where it was 'good enough' that I could reasonably expect someone else to make one and get it working, then release the designs under some kind of open source license. With a bit of luck, someone else with a more mechanical mind than me might pick it up and make it work for more bullet types/rifle bullets etc. It's cheap enough that having specific units for different bullets probably wouldn't be a huge issue. If not, it's only replacing 2 of the piece anyway, which can be done currently by removing 4 bolts.

Which rifles are you getting suppressed? Who is doing the work on them?

sAsLEX

8th February 2014, 09:53

I've only really got my garage with one desk for electronics stuff and then the reloading bench from the videos, but the 3D printer is set up on the dining room table at the moment. It's really quite amazing just how much stuff you can do that would normally require a quite hardcore metalworking setup. I've been stunned by the strength on some of the parts, too.

I haven't really considered the commercial implications of it, really. The fact that it relys on spending $150 on the feed die and belling insert puts it out of the range of something you'd buy just to have a stuff around with it, I guess. Also, it's probably damn near 48 hours straight of printing to get all the parts together. That's probably only an hour or two of actually paying attention to the printer, but there is wear and tear etc. to consider. My original plan was to get the design to the point where it was 'good enough' that I could reasonably expect someone else to make one and get it working, then release the designs under some kind of open source license. With a bit of luck, someone else with a more mechanical mind than me might pick it up and make it work for more bullet types/rifle bullets etc. It's cheap enough that having specific units for different bullets probably wouldn't be a huge issue. If not, it's only replacing 2 of the piece anyway, which can be done currently by removing 4 bolts.

Which rifles are you getting suppressed? Who is doing the work on them?

700 in 308 and 10/22 went with Gunworks in the end. Will see how they go and then decide who to go with for the next project (6.5x47 Lapua at present) .

What printer do you have? Might have to add one somewhere on the list, though I do have to finish the projects I made a hot wire foam cutter for first......

jono035

8th February 2014, 10:12

700 in 308 and 10/22 went with Gunworks in the end. Will see how they go and then decide who to go with for the next project (6.5x47 Lapua at present) .

What printer do you have? Might have to add one somewhere on the list, though I do have to finish the projects I made a hot wire foam cutter for first......

Nice, I was pretty impressed with Gunworks so it will be interesting to hear how you got on. What are the plans for the guns?

The printer is a Mendel90 that I purchased in kit form. It's based on the RepRap Prusa Mendel type of printer, but using a precision cut flat sheet frame rather than the bizarre obsession that the other designs seem to have with threaded rod. It was a solid 14-16 hours of easy assembly to get it working and I couldn't be happier with the outcome. Everything was square, level and accurate from the very start. I had a couple of minor issues getting bits to stick to the plate, but that was due to a misunderstanding of a couple of settings and using glass cleaner that was leaving some crap on the glass. So far I've only been using it with PLA, which is actually a great plastic to work with. It's far harder than ABS but much more brittle. It's also kind of 'slick' to the touch, so gears/bushings/bearing surfaces do quite well made out of it. The main drawback is that it softens considerably at 50 degrees.

All up, the printer was 600 GBP + 70 GBP shipping + whatever GST/customs charges were on it. The filament is costing me ~$45 per kg, which is enough to print at least 2000 cm^3 of model using the settings that I've used for the bullet feeder. So far I think I've probably gone through 2-3kg of filament in a variety of colours and the results have been pretty good.

sAsLEX

8th February 2014, 11:53

Nice, I was pretty impressed with Gunworks so it will be interesting to hear how you got on. What are the plans for the guns?

The printer is a Mendel90 that I purchased in kit form. It's based on the RepRap Prusa Mendel type of printer, but using a precision cut flat sheet frame rather than the bizarre obsession that the other designs seem to have with threaded rod. It was a solid 14-16 hours of easy assembly to get it working and I couldn't be happier with the outcome. Everything was square, level and accurate from the very start. I had a couple of minor issues getting bits to stick to the plate, but that was due to a misunderstanding of a couple of settings and using glass cleaner that was leaving some crap on the glass. So far I've only been using it with PLA, which is actually a great plastic to work with. It's far harder than ABS but much more brittle. It's also kind of 'slick' to the touch, so gears/bushings/bearing surfaces do quite well made out of it. The main drawback is that it softens considerably at 50 degrees.

All up, the printer was 600 GBP + 70 GBP shipping + whatever GST/customs charges were on it. The filament is costing me ~$45 per kg, which is enough to print at least 2000 cm^3 of model using the settings that I've used for the bullet feeder. So far I think I've probably gone through 2-3kg of filament in a variety of colours and the results have been pretty good.

Going to teach myself how to reload and shoot at some longer ranges with the .308 and kill bunnies with the 22

Swoop

8th February 2014, 13:12

Nice stuff!
Are you taper crimping at station #5?

jono035

8th February 2014, 13:23

Nice stuff!
Are you taper crimping at station #5?

Yep. Basically the normal 5-station Dillon setup but with the powder check replaced by the bullet feed die.

1 - Dillon resize/deprime die
2 - prime then bell/powder drop with Dillon powder measure, Double Alpha belling die
3 - The Double Alpha feed die
4 - Dillon seat die
5 - Dillon taper crimp die

I don't really see the point in separate seat/crimp dies for pistol so for my purposes, I might eventually shift to a combined seat/crimp die, move the feed die to station #4 and put the powder check in #3. I can understand for absolute precision or if a really heavy crimp is required, but with pistol I really don't need either.

Unfortunately, I desperately need a sprung loaded depriming pin for the 9mm because 5-10% of the cases are currently getting their primers pulled back into the pockets and re-seated at the priming station. I need to look for an aftermarket one for the Hornady resize die or figure out how to adapt the Dillon one onto the Hornady stem...

pritch

8th February 2014, 13:40

The longer one is a Camill WW2 US Navy Mk2 combat knife

Wouldn't be a Camillus? They are still in business. Looks very, very, like a Ka-Bar. I like. ;)

The Reibz

10th February 2014, 14:07

nseagoon

10th February 2014, 17:35

Looking at getting a licence in the next couple of weeks. I have had my security installed for the last four years but have just never got around to it. I see you now have to do some bullshit mountain safety course before you can even submit your licence form. Anyway around this? Been a serving RNZN RF sailor for 7 years and know my way around firearms, not keen on paying someone to tell me shit I already know and have had drilled into me.

I have my safe bolted directly to the studs in the wall and floor with 8mm selftaping bolts. Any issues with that I will need to rectify before inspection?

Only really after a lever action for bunny/possum shooting and possibly a over under shotty further down the track.

Play the game. Other military pers have to.
The course has been around for at least a decade that I know about.
I attended a MSC course, didn't cost and was only one session about 1-1.5 hours followed by a scratch and win test.
it's not so much about knowing how to use a firearm, mine covered the 7 basic rules and safety associated with firearms and storage, it focuses mostly on the hunting side of things (annoying for those who just want to shoot paper)
being in the military you should be used to putting up with bullshit so getting your licence will be no difference.
The police just want to tick all the boxes that people getting their licence aren't dickheads.
Remember the military has no bearing on civilian actions, there's no exemptions in the real world

As for your safe, sounds like it should be fine if you're just going for A catergory. if you're looking at getting endorsed in the future you'd have to mount 10mm self tapping screws in the floor if it's on concrete,
if on wood 10mm into a steel plate I think twice the floor area of the safe. Check with the arms officers, if you're in Devonport I think you'll be dealing with Trefor who is ex Navy. Both the arms officers there are good chaps.

The Reibz

10th February 2014, 18:29

Thanks for the advice mate, all to true about having to play the game.
Only really after small game, tried the whole target shooting thing before and it wasn't for me.
Would probably never go endorsed. Can't see the point of 30 round mags, to used to spearfishing where you only get one shot to land a fatal hit.
Zombie invasion, yeah I can see the point.

Will look into it a bit more in the next couple of weeks.

jasonu

13th February 2014, 15:48

Wouldn't be a Camillus? They are still in business. Looks very, very, like a Ka-Bar. I like. ;)

Yes Camillus.

jono035

14th February 2014, 21:08

Just cranked out a few hundred rounds of .45ACP and decided to time myself. Ignoring stuffing around with primers and going at my normal plodding pace (pausing for a second at the top to let the powder drop complete, pausing for a bottom with the primer ram up) I managed to get through 50 rounds in just under 2 and a half minutes.

It occurs to me that I may need to start shooting more in order to be able to indulge my reloading hobby :blink:

Also found out I can't get a holster insert for the Kimber due to Double Alpha not making one that will fit the polymer frame. So I 3D printed one. Will give it a try on Sunday, but so far it has held up to 30-40 'draw, fire, show-clear, unload, load, ready, holster' drills without showing any stress of any kind.

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Starting to turn into a bit of a 'when all you have is a hammer' type situation, here...

Been thinking about getting hold of a rifle in .45ACP to have a play with suppressed... Would probably make a pretty hilarious possuming gun and I broke the trigger guard off the Stirling, so it probably needs to be replaced. Actually... Polymer lower for a Stirling bolt action... Can't be any weaker than the original muck-metal piece...

Katman

16th February 2014, 15:56

jono035

16th February 2014, 16:03

I have less than minimal interest in having fun with firearms but I stumbled upon this.

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Impressive shooting.

How odd... Someone mentioned that to me at the range today but I hadn't looked it up yet.

Cheers for the link.

Akzle

16th February 2014, 16:36

whatisit?? Rob munden? Fastest reload? 6 shotrs on 3 targets? Fps russia goes to whitecastle?

nseagoon

16th February 2014, 19:25

Been thinking about getting hold of a rifle in .45ACP to have a play with suppressed... Would probably make a pretty hilarious possuming gun and I broke the trigger guard off the Stirling, so it probably needs to be replaced. Actually... Polymer lower for a Stirling bolt action... Can't be any weaker than the original muck-metal piece...

I'm building a de lisle carbine. They're cheap enough. Just build on a shot out Farm hack 303 mine should be roughly $800 all up when finished. They're supposed to be completely silent. The loudest part being the old 303 action.
Another option I'll attempt in the future is use some of the left over barrel and build a suppressed 45acp upper for an ar15.

I've seen the effects of a 185 grain swc on possum. Put it to sleep instantly. A body shot would have been messy

jono035

16th February 2014, 19:47

I'm building a de lisle carbine. They're cheap enough. Just build on a shot out Farm hack 303 mine should be roughly $800 all up when finished. They're supposed to be completely silent. The loudest part being the old 303 action.
Another option I'll attempt in the future is use some of the left over barrel and build a suppressed 45acp upper for an ar15.

I've seen the effects of a 185 grain swc on possum. Put it to sleep instantly. A body shot would have been messy

Dunno why that didn't occur to me, I wanted to do that a few years ago.

How faithful are you trying to be to the De Lisle style? It's a 3" diameter can on the front with the barrel at an offset, right?'

I've got a slightly monkeyed with .303, even. I could quite happily 3D print myself a .303 to 1911 magazine adapter...

Where did you get the barrel from?

jono035

16th February 2014, 20:04

Also, powered through another 250 rounds on the press with the bullet feeder, no issues aside from some large primer brass getting mixed in and a 9mm case hiding completely inside a .45 case that damn near snapped my depriming pin...

Took the Kimber and 3D printed holster insert to the range today, shot about 100 rounds in 4-5 stages, performed nicely.

Also made myself some pretty sweet looking ammo boxes. The text on the top is just embossed half a mm. It looks pretty nice, really. They take about 12 hours to print both pieces (they're reasonably sturdy) and then just need 2x M4x40 machine screws for the hinges. I probably could have made them snap together but, to be honest, I really just couldn't be bothered. All up, I think they're using about $5 of plastic or something? Easy to adjust for other cartridges or numbers of rounds. If anyone wants one then let me know. I've even got a variety of colours of plastic...

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nseagoon

16th February 2014, 20:09

Dunno why that didn't occur to me, I wanted to do that a few years ago.

How faithful are you trying to be to the De Lisle style? It's a 3" diameter can on the front with the barrel at an offset, right?'

I've got a slightly monkeyed with .303, even. I could quite happily 3D print myself a .303 to 1911 magazine adapter...

Where did you get the barrel from?

I hadn't thought about a 3d printed mag adaptor, I was hoping to either tack weld or create my own mag attachment inside the old mag. I may have to look in that when I reach that part.

To be honest I'm not following the original at all. I have a stainless barrel blank from Vulcan barrels Christchurch (who did a superb job) it's long enough to do 2 or 3 rifles. Robbie Tiffen will fit the barrel, profile, modify the extractor and thread the end.

I'm using a #1 mk3 action I picked up for free.

the stock I'm going to use is a folding one from an ak47. I'm making an adaptor to fit this using a plastic spacer I'm filing into shape.

I'll be mounting a weaver rail over the bolt.

as for the suppressor I'm going to attempt to make my own one. I'm not expecting it to be nearly as quiet as the original as I won't be porting the barrel and the suppressor baffles will be washers rather than concentric spirals. also to keep it light weight the suppressor volume won't be as large as the original. it'll still be pretty quiet though. due to the round being subsonic and I'll be loading with greater or at 230 grain projectiles

jono035

16th February 2014, 20:28

I hadn't thought about a 3d printed mag adaptor, I was hoping to either tack weld or create my own mag attachment inside the old mag. I may have to look in that when I reach that part.

To be honest I'm not following the original at all. I have a stainless barrel blank from Vulcan barrels Christchurch (who did a superb job) it's long enough to do 2 or 3 rifles. Robbie Tiffen will fit the barrel, profile, modify the extractor and thread the end.

I'm using a #1 mk3 action I picked up for free.

the stock I'm going to use is a folding one from an ak47. I'm making an adaptor to fit this using a plastic spacer I'm filing into shape.

I'll be mounting a weaver rail over the bolt.

as for the suppressor I'm going to attempt to make my own one. I'm not expecting it to be nearly as quiet as the original as I won't be porting the barrel and the suppressor baffles will be washers rather than concentric spirals. also to keep it light weight the suppressor volume won't be as large as the original. it'll still be pretty quiet though. due to the round being subsonic and I'll be loading with greater or at 230 grain projectiles

Nice. Robbie mentioned a few oddball projects like this when I was talking to him about my suppressor. Did you think about getting him to build up the suppressor? I'm pretty happy with the one he made for my 300 Blackout. Wasn't cheap, though!

I've got an old .303 here and I've printed some half-assed .22 magazines before that mated into the well of my Stirling bolt-action nicely, just they didn't work because the feed lips were a bit crap because of poor design on my part.

I'll have a quick look tomorrow and see if I can come up with something that will work for the 1911 mags I have on hand.

Edit: Hell, given the extreme lack of recoil from what I've seen of those things and the relatively short useful distance due to the subsonic rounds, you could probably 3D print the bloody scope rail, too.

nseagoon

16th February 2014, 20:43

Nice. Robbie mentioned a few oddball projects like this when I was talking to him about my suppressor. Did you think about getting him to build up the suppressor? I'm pretty happy with the one he made for my 300 Blackout. Wasn't cheap, though!

I've got an old .303 here and I've printed some half-assed .22 magazines before that mated into the well of my Stirling bolt-action nicely, just they didn't work because the feed lips were a bit crap because of poor design on my part.

I'll have a quick look tomorrow and see if I can come up with something that will work for the 1911 mags I have on hand.

Edit: Hell, given the extreme lack of recoil from what I've seen of those things and the relatively short useful distance due to the subsonic rounds, you could probably 3D print the bloody scope rail, too.

I did think of him for the suppressor build and when/if my suppressor fails or isn't good enough then I'll be getting him to build me one. I have one of his generic AR ones and I'm more than happy with it, I imagine this one wouldn't be nearly as cheap.
when I do my 45acp AR build I'd be tempted to use one of his as it'll need to be a little more hard wearing due to being a semi action.

I've seen aluminium rails for $80 for the #1, unsure how stable they'll be as I believe they clamp onto the bar that goes over the bolt, I may screw mine on if that's the case as I don't want it to slip. it'll be a bush hack rifle, something I can put in my pack for a few days, get knocked around, then pull out in my block, flick the stock out, attach the suppressor, and attach the scope and away I go.

if you do come up with a 1911 adaptor I'd be very interested in the results.

jono035

17th February 2014, 20:34

I did think of him for the suppressor build and when/if my suppressor fails or isn't good enough then I'll be getting him to build me one. I have one of his generic AR ones and I'm more than happy with it, I imagine this one wouldn't be nearly as cheap.
when I do my 45acp AR build I'd be tempted to use one of his as it'll need to be a little more hard wearing due to being a semi action.

I've seen aluminium rails for $80 for the #1, unsure how stable they'll be as I believe they clamp onto the bar that goes over the bolt, I may screw mine on if that's the case as I don't want it to slip. it'll be a bush hack rifle, something I can put in my pack for a few days, get knocked around, then pull out in my block, flick the stock out, attach the suppressor, and attach the scope and away I go.

if you do come up with a 1911 adaptor I'd be very interested in the results.

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Half assed attempt after a couple of hours of mucking around with Solidworks. It occurred to me after getting out my .303 that the only mags I have are double-stack, which only fit right at the absolute back, which probably isn't a great place to put it.

I grabbed the dimensions off the net and made a rough model to play with. The top section of the double stack mag is the same dimension, at least.

So yeah, looks like it shouldn't be too difficult. Would either need to attack the frame with a dremel or get myself a single stack to test it, though.

nseagoon

17th February 2014, 20:47

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Half assed attempt after a couple of hours of mucking around with Solidworks. It occurred to me after getting out my .303 that the only mags I have are double-stack, which only fit right at the absolute back, which probably isn't a great place to put it.

I grabbed the dimensions off the net and made a rough model to play with. The top section of the double stack mag is the same dimension, at least.

So yeah, looks like it shouldn't be too difficult. Would either need to attack the frame with a dremel or get myself a single stack to test it, though.

that's pretty cool.
I was planning on putting the 45 mag up the front of the enfield mag, I believe when I've fired the shot the round would sit in the bolt then drop behind the 45 mag. thet way I'd be able to fire 2-4 shots without having to worry about picking up brass, maybe if I lined the mag and receiver with felt or velvet type material it would stop the brass from tumbling around noisily.
However a plastic mag replacement for the enfield mag will be pretty quiet.

I should have the rifle ready to put together in around 8 to 10 weeks if I get enough time. I'll start thinking about the mag adaptor at that point

jono035

17th February 2014, 20:54

that's pretty cool.
I was planning on putting the 45 mag up the front of the enfield mag, I believe when I've fired the shot the round would sit in the bolt then drop behind the 45 mag. thet way I'd be able to fire 2-4 shots without having to worry about picking up brass, maybe if I lined the mag and receiver with felt or velvet type material it would stop the brass from tumbling around noisily.
However a plastic mag replacement for the enfield mag will be pretty quiet.

I should have the rifle ready to put together in around 8 to 10 weeks if I get enough time. I'll start thinking about the mag adaptor at that point

That's a good point, I would have printed the piece hollow anyway, so might as well print it with the bit behind the mag hollowed out as a brass catcher.

Could always just try to print myself a single stack 1911 mag to test with...

sAsLEX

19th February 2014, 05:35

What programme are you using Jono? (Edit on reading properly I see Solidworks - I use Inventor 2012 or something)

And what formats does the printer take?

jono035

19th February 2014, 06:15

What programme are you using Jono? (Edit on reading properly I see Solidworks - I use Inventor 2012 or something)

And what formats does the printer take?

Yeah, Solidworks 2013 at the moment. We've got a couple of licenses at work but I've got a slightly dodgy version at home.

The printer itself takes g- code. In my case I use a program called Slic3r to generate that from .STL files. Apparently it also takes .OBJ and .AMF... There are also alternate slicer programs that may take different formats but I don't really know much about them.

Flip

24th February 2014, 08:25

Last week I sold my 54 Hawkins rifle.

I keep seeing the empty wall rack in the study and have the feeling I might have made a mistake.

What should I replace it with? I like the idea of a 32 Kentucky squirrel smooth bore. It would counterpoint my 75 bess well.

Akzle

24th February 2014, 10:28

Crasherfromwayback

25th February 2014, 12:47

Here's a toy some of you may like...a mate of mine's brother just got his hands on it. Noice.

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Akzle

25th February 2014, 13:22

never been too taken by the ar platform.
Yeah, fine, bit of fun. Lego for big kids. But... Just meh. Doesnt tickle me.
Theres a better gun for every porpoise.

Crasherfromwayback

25th February 2014, 13:27

Theres a better gun for every porpoise.

Not allowed to shoot them.

Akzle

25th February 2014, 13:41

Not allowed to shoot them.

hai, petey-san.

leathel

25th February 2014, 13:51

never been too taken by the ar platform.
Yeah, fine, bit of fun. Lego for big kids. But... Just meh. Doesnt tickle me.
Theres a better gun for every porpoise.

I was never too fussed on them either... until I got one, Fantastic point and shoot goat/ Varmint/ Pest control rifle. Very very accurate and everything is at hands reach, Safety on of, drop mag etc without dropping the rifle :D

Now I have a problem... Adds one more rifle to the must take on the goat cull trips and not sure which one to leave behind (room for 3 rifles for 2 people)

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd316/leathel-one/2013-08-24131123.jpg (http://s222.photobucket.com/user/leathel-one/media/2013-08-24131123.jpg.html)

I might need to make room for more rifles :P

Akzle

25th February 2014, 13:57

I might need to make room for more rifles :P

loose some weight and youll get another man along too!

Theres plenty of pointable semis out there. Take an sl, or an aug (personal fav) or a rugger...

Quasievil

25th February 2014, 13:57

Not allowed to shoot them.

hai, petey-san.

You two dribble to much, look at your post count versus your membership length.
Sad, clearly no life of any substance other than KB.

Yup here to rib you :laugh:

Akzle

25th February 2014, 14:01

Sad, clearly no life of any substance other than KB.

dont worry sunshine, theres plenty of substances in my life.

Crasherfromwayback

25th February 2014, 14:09

You two dribble to much, look at your post count versus your membership length.
Sad, clearly no life of any substance other than KB.

Yup here to rib you :laugh:

Says the raving fucking homo that took to drivelling shit on my auction on TM. Pot-Kettle much?

leathel

25th February 2014, 14:21

loose some weight and youll get another man along too!

Theres plenty of pointable semis out there. Take an sl, or an aug (personal fav) or a rugger...

nah the SL doesn't fit me right and is a bit of a heavy pig really..... the pray and spray Ruger doesn't come close to it accuracy wise out of the box, Not owned the Steyr and be interesting to see how accurate they are, and how good the trigger is being set froward like they are.

I have had a fair few semi's and none shoot this accurate out of the box.... maybe I fluked a good one but its doing well, not even had to stuff with the trigger which is fine from the box, not as nice as some of the better bolt rifles I have but good enough, especially given what I paid for it!

Quasievil

25th February 2014, 14:26

theres plenty of substances in my life.

Admitting to your drug habit on a public forum is not a good idea, you could lose your Job, you might end up a Bike salesman for the rest of your days or something horrible like that.

Crasherfromwayback

25th February 2014, 15:01

a Bike salesman for the rest of your days or something horrible like that.

What is it you do again Brett?

Akzle

25th February 2014, 15:07

nah the SL doesn't fit me right and is a bit of a heavy pig really..... the pray and spray Ruger doesn't come close to it accuracy wise out of the box, Not owned the Steyr and be interesting to see how accurate they are, and how good the trigger is being set froward like they are.

I have had a fair few semi's and none shoot this accurate out of the box.... maybe I fluked a good one but its doing well, not even had to stuff with the trigger which is fine from the box, not as nice as some of the better bolt rifles I have but good enough, especially given what I paid for it!

never played with an sl enough to comment.
Had a semi rug in 223 that would drill deer at a hundred yards, shooting moa. Nicen light but too much plastic.

I heart bullpups. And the aug is as modular as the ar, ie can swap out 308/223, heavy barrel, left or right hand eject port (i shoot left) field stripable, yada yada yada. Plastic, but in a good way. It can shoot more accurately than me...

Quasievil

25th February 2014, 15:14

What is it you do again Brett?

Whos Brett ?

Akzle

25th February 2014, 15:16

Admitting to your drug habit on a public forum is not a good idea, you could lose your Job, you might end up a Bike salesman for the rest of your days or something horrible like that.

rather that than loose my sense of humor and become a dropkick failed troll.

(...like you. Incase you missed the point)

Crasherfromwayback

25th February 2014, 15:22

rather that than loose my sense of humor and become a dropkick failed troll.

(...like you. Incase you missed the point)

One that's been offered cash to put up or shutup...but is too much of a windbag pussy to man up and accept it.

Akzle

25th February 2014, 15:32

One that's been offered cash to put up or shutup...but is too much of a windbag pussy to man up and accept it.

i could do with some cash. Where do i sign up?

Crasherfromwayback

25th February 2014, 15:47

i could do with some cash. Where do i sign up?

Gotta earn it. Same as he was offered. Not like I ever thought he'd have the balls to take me up on it. Cause he ain't got any.

Akzle

25th February 2014, 15:53

Gotta earn it. Same as he was offered. Not like I ever thought he'd have the balls to take me up on it. Cause he ain't got any.

my testicles are huge, whats the offer

Crasherfromwayback

25th February 2014, 15:57

my testicles are huge, whats the offer

A fair amount of cash...choose a bike (road, dirt...makes no diff), a stop watch and any racetrack you care to name. Fastest guy takes home all the cash. Loser gets to fuck up once and for all.

Akzle

25th February 2014, 16:08

A fair amount of cash...choose a bike (road, dirt...makes no diff), a stop watch and any racetrack you care to name. Fastest guy takes home all the cash. Loser gets to fuck up once and for all.

90mile beach on a ct.
Make it a triathlon. Have to carry a caster, Land 3 fish and drink a crate...

Crasherfromwayback

25th February 2014, 16:15

90mile beach on a ct.
Make it a triathlon. Have to carry a caster, Land 3 fish and drink a crate...

You fish...I'll drink.

Akzle

25th February 2014, 16:34

You fish...I'll drink.

that would make it more of a relay than a race...

Flip

25th February 2014, 16:55

aha. So you like both guns and vehicles that are loud and inefficient.
I have a cricket bat i could give ya?

Not sure what you mean. I only need one shot.

294159

Quasievil

25th February 2014, 16:56

You fish...I'll drink.

That would work as judging by Akzles red rep comments he has a thing for cocks in his mouth, a very bizzare thing to admit on a red rep statement, each to their own I guess.

Crasherfromwayback

25th February 2014, 19:32

That would work as judging by Akzles red rep comments he has a thing for cocks in his mouth, a very bizzare thing to admit on a red rep statement, each to their own I guess.

Nah. I'm guessing he's calling you a cocksucking faggot. Now...why don't you man up...and accept the lil challenge I've sent you. That...or simply fuck off like the full of shit windbag you are. Because we've all seen your posts about how good you are. Cept now you have a chance to prove it yet won't. What does that say about you...as a man?

jono035

25th February 2014, 19:57

Anyway, on a slightly more ON TOPIC note...

Second outing with the Kimber last week. Put 50 rounds onto a target from 15m and had them basically tear a 150mm diameter hole. Was about 100mm out, 2 o'clock, so not sure what the hell is going on there. I generally assume it's my shooting before I assume the sights are out, but everything else with the gun has just been absolutely singing.

I've seen pistol vices used for firing to check functioning and sight position etc. before. Anyone had any experience with those?

leathel

25th February 2014, 20:11

jono035

25th February 2014, 20:13

Crasher: That's a nice looking AR there. I had one of the quad-rail 'cheesegrater' front ends on mine but replaced it pretty damn quick with a free-floating Hogue overmoulded one. Much nicer to hold and shoot. I guess that's a left slide release attachement on it? I think I've got the same Leatherman/pouch and the same damn cleaning rod as that, too. Amusing.

Leathel: I'm with you there on the accuracy thing. The 'horrible' milspec trigger on my AR is still miles better than the triggers on any of my other rifles bar the target 10/22 I had.

Also, it's the typical thing with such a customisable rifle: Even if they're not your cup of tea (and the ultra tactical 'black rifle' style isn't really mine) then you've got a world of options to make it into what you want. You certainly pay for the privilege, at least here, but you've got options at least. You can spec one out to be quite expensive, or you can get by quite decently with cheaper bits and pieces. Even if you went reasonably hard out, you'd still come in under the price of a Steyr...

Much better range of options for uppers in different calibers. I've had a lot of fun with the .300 blackout so far. Still nowhere near as quiet as I want it, but I suspect that I need to drop the load a bit further, it's still supersonic.

Edit: Quoted the wrong post, need sleep.