The firearm thread

[jono035]

Hopefully the clay won't hurt too much. With a bit of practice do those clays go reasonably far? I've got open chokes so the clays don't need to go too far.

Dunno, probably only threw ~20 of em. I'd say you could throw them a decent 100m with a bit of practice, but it does take an effort. I can't remember being sore the next day or anything, at least.

[SMOKEU]

Dunno, probably only threw ~20 of em. I'd say you could throw them a decent 100m with a bit of practice, but it does take an effort. I can't remember being sore the next day or anything, at least.

All good, I'll give that a go.

[The Pastor]

yeah i have a thrower, they work well,

[akkadian]

Get married. Chicks make the best clay throwers...

[jasonu]

Yeah, they work pretty well, but there's a knack to em. I just about took RM's head off with one...

Wot he said.
Once you ket the knack, and it only takes a couple of throws, they work really well. They can be loaded with 2 clays for double your enjoyment.

[Mr Merde]

Off to Taupo this comming weekend for a fun shoot CAS style.

Been sorting out the firearms and ammo.

Taking the C & B revolvers with a tin of 2f and 150 ball and 200 caps.

The rossi lever rifle with 100 rounds of .44 mag

The S X S coach gun with 100 shells

The Marlin 336 38-55 with 150 rounds

The Marlin 1893 34-40 with 50 rounds

Do you think I have enough?

This afternoon I need to sit down and cast for the .44 then load. The only caliber I am short of.

Leaving Friday afternoon, comming back Sunday afternoon. Sleeping rough at the range. Camp cookery.

Fun

[caseye]

Enjoy all those bangs aye!

[The Pastor]

Off to Taupo this comming weekend for a fun shoot CAS style.

Been sorting out the firearms and ammo.

Taking the C & B revolvers with a tin of 2f and 150 ball and 200 caps.

The rossi lever rifle with 100 rounds of .44 mag

The S X S coach gun with 100 shells

The Marlin 336 38-55 with 150 rounds

The Marlin 1893 34-40 with 50 rounds

Do you think I have enough?

This afternoon I need to sit down and cast for the .44 then load. The only caliber I am short of.

Leaving Friday afternoon, comming back Sunday afternoon. Sleeping rough at the range. Camp cookery.

Fun

nice one mate, hope you enjoy it, you deserve it

[Mr Merde]

I figure that 500 + rounds will be enough. Would have taken the 45-70 Springfield also but couldnt get all the longarms into the rifle case.

Also I only have 50 cases for that caliber so I wouldnt really get a satisfactory buzz.

As it is I have 3 rifles and a coach gun in a case supposedly built for two longarms.

This is a "fun shoot" so I should have time to sight in the two Marlins.

Taking the C & B revolvers as one of my 1873 clones has a problem with the firing pin not striking properly. Light strikes and no bang. Probably have to get new firing pins for them both. ALso I havent shot the percussion pistols for a couple of years. 1st time since I have "antiqued" them.

Chris

[Mr Merde]

Casting and loading all done.

I have 100 x 12g

200 .451 ball for the C&B revolvers

125 x .44mag for the Rossi lever

40 x 32-40 for the 1893 Marlin ( Black powder)

230 x 38-55 for the 336CB Marlin lever

Total of 695 rounds made today. Now just waiting to burn powder on Saturday.

Pistols, rifles and shotgun have all been cleaned and lubricated.

Got oll the shooting periferals together.

Tommorow I will pack everything up along with clothes and sleeping bags, ready to pack onto the bike to get to the meeting place.

From there transfered to a truck and ther 3 of us will be on our way.

Chris

[caseye]

Awesome, not enough ammo though, as always. I really want to see a "picture" of your bike loaded up ready to go.
Mad max would be proud i reckon.
Hope the weather is kind and that you aint sleeping in the perma frost on that range, bloody cold down there this time of the year.
Enjoy.

[carver]

I can nail a 2 inch target consistently at 110m with a russian .22

[Swoop]

Hope your weekend went well Merde!

A pleasant day at the ranges today, with lots of smoke and perforated targets.
Toys zeroed and very happy!

[Indiana_Jones]

Hope it all went well mate :)

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

Got back at 5 pm tonight.

Tired , sore and happy.

Didnt off load all the ammo but went through a few hundred.

The 38-55 shot really well till I jammed it up. Seems I hadnt put enough crimp on the bullets and they moved out of the case enough to not fully go into battery and fire but to far to eject properly. This is a phenominal round as at one stage I had 5 shots go through a 6 inch post and blow the back off of the post. The bullets measured 2" in group size.

The 32-40 loves the new bullet size. Gone up from .321 to .324 in diameter and the Marlin loved them.Popping 2 inch boards pieces at 100 m easily.

Came home with 100 38-55 and no 32-40

only 20 .44 mag left and no shotgun shells

Didnt shoot the cap and ball revs. didnt have the time or confidence in them.

[Swoop]

Bugger.

CSI range closed permanently.

[Mr Merde]

Killing our sport not by regulation and laws but by closing ranges.

Auckland has over 1.25 million people and it is extremely hard to shoot pistol because the ranges have been closed and the powers will not make it easy to open another.

Noise pollution, hevy metal pollution, traffic density, RMA, its all working to kill of the port of shooting.

Chris

[nseagoon]

Bugger.

CSI range closed permanently.

it's not permanent.

they are fixing the ventilation and consent doesn't allow shooting until repaired. sucks cos I'm itching to try some new .45 loads I was given. and my new plastic fantastic toy

I hear Waiuku is back open again, I'd be keen to try there. maybe it'll be time to get the scope for my Anaconda sighted in since Magnums aren't allowed at CSI

[Winston001]

Just to bring us down to earth, here is what the popular media now talk about... :puke:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2189608/Kim-Kardashian-totes-huge-rifle-gun-goes-skeet-shooting-family-vacation.html

[Swoop]

it's not permanent.

they are fixing the ventilation...
I'm informed that it IS permanent.
The cost of ventilation and de-leading is prohibitive. Youthtown's leadership has had some "issues" with the range existing in the past and this appears to be a perfect opportunity to get rid of it.

[nseagoon]

I'm informed that it IS permanent.
The cost of ventilation and de-leading is prohibitive. Youthtown's leadership has had some "issues" with the range existing in the past and this appears to be a perfect opportunity to get rid of it.

are you a CSI member? I am.
I've received occasional updates from the secretary. the rent has been paid out to youthtown for 2 years from July and I'm a financial member and have been notified of the temporary closure but I think members would have been notified if it's permanent. especially since the financial year had only just begun when the closure took place which means members such as myself had only just paid the fees for the next year

[nseagoon]

I'm informed that it IS permanent.
The cost of ventilation and de-leading is prohibitive. Youthtown's leadership has had some "issues" with the range existing in the past and this appears to be a perfect opportunity to get rid of it.

I take that back, I haven't got the email yet but seems others have. Apparently it is closed for good. I'll have to read the details for myself when I get to work

[Swoop]

I take that back, I haven't got the email yet but seems others have. Apparently it is closed for good.
In the words of the immortal S. Hammer... "Trust me, I know what I'm doing!".

[nseagoon]

In the words of the immortal S. Hammer... "Trust me, I know what I'm doing!".

I suppose the next question is where to from here? Auckland pistol club, Warkworth, or Waiuku?

.... bugger

[caseye]

Whats up with Waiuku, last time I shot there things were going great guns, ( excuse the pun).

[nseagoon]

I might give Waiuku a go then. I've been there once and enjoyed it, just a bit of a long trek for me unfortunately.

I haven't received an update from CSI myself, just checked my emails. does anyone know any further details? especially why youthtown has forfeited the lease prepaid for a year?

[Swoop]

Whats up with Waiuku, last time I shot there things were going great guns.
The latest Bullshooter says they are back in action after coming to an agreement with the landowner.
Only a two year deal however...

Owning the land would be much nicer, but silly dollars were wanted. It appears as though the lease $$$'s were also an attractive proposition for the landowner.

[nseagoon]

just heard, CSI closure is very likely, but still not quite 100% confirmed yet.

I'll hold on with ignorant hope :-/

[caseye]

The latest Bullshooter says they are back in action after coming to an agreement with the landowner.
Only a two year deal however...

Owning the land would be much nicer, but silly dollars were wanted. It appears as though the lease $$$'s were also an attractive proposition for the landowner.

Way back in the day when i was involved there the owner was a nice guy and the land purchase was on the cards for a realistic sum.
Shame things change.
Course it don't help having high profile judiciary for neighbours.

[Mr Merde]

I just landed a job at last.

From Thursday I will be the manager of two help desks. 1 in NZ and the other in the UK.

At last a company that values experience.

[sAsLEX]

I just landed a job at last.

From Thursday I will be the manager of two help desks. 1 in NZ and the other in the UK.

At last a company that values experience.

Awesome news mate!

[The Pastor]

I just landed a job at last.

From Thursday I will be the manager of two help desks. 1 in NZ and the other in the UK.

At last a company that values experience.

mate that is great news, congrats.

[Indiana_Jones]

Good on ya mate!

-Indy

[Scouse]

Looking at buying a SKB 700 12 guage and a semi auto Browning 30-06

[Road kill]

I spoke to one of the main guys from Waiuku this morning and he's told me the rifle range/club has just gotten a 5 year lease with an option to buy on their grounds.

They are restricted to 5000 rounds per day/shoot though.:yes:

[sAsLEX]

I spoke to one of the main guys from Waiuku this morning and he's told me the rifle range/club has just gotten a 5 year lease with an option to buy on their grounds.

They are restricted to 5000 rounds per day/shoot though.:yes:

What happens if two rednecks turn up on the same day.......

[Road kill]

What happens if two rednecks turn up on the same day.......

More two day shoots.

At first I thought it couldn't really be a problem,,,but yeah:facepalm:maybe so huh.

[nseagoon]

does anyone use the Auckland pistol club range?
is it a good club? in regards to facilities and the crew there.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Akld Pistol club was a good operation when I last shot there, 4-5 years ago FWIW

[scumdog]

They are restricted to 5000 rounds per day/shoot though.:yes:

They have somebody standing there counting the shots??:shit:

[Swoop]

is it a good club? in regards to facilities and the crew there.
Very good indeed.

[carburator]

What happens if two rednecks turn up on the same day.......
Us rednecks or hicks have our own range besides only the rich rednecks blow 5000 rnds away in a day.

[Toppo1]

ave a bit of a thing for service rifles :yes:
269801

[Indiana_Jones]

Nice collection mate! :)

-Indy

[lakedaemonian]

ave a bit of a thing for service rifles :yes:
269801

Nice.....if you're ever in the area of Christchurch/West Melton Rifle Range there's the Canterbury Service Rifle Club that does a decent amount of shooting out there, especially starting this time of year....a couple guys ride bikes too.

Good bunch of fellas.

[jono035]

Special meeting being held about CSI on Tuesday 25th at Northcote Citizen's Hall, 7pm. Same place as the last few AGMs.

I'm going to need a new range, too.

Wasn't overly impressed with APC, although I've only been out there twice and haven't shot there. Seems like their opening hours are a little random and it was a little more action shooting focused than I was ideally looking for. Great that a place like that exists, but I think I'd rather shoot a hundred rounds over an hour at the range rather than 30 rounds over a couple of minutes before going home!

[jono035]

Us rednecks or hicks have our own range besides only the rich rednecks blow 5000 rnds away in a day.

'Have our own range' isn't officially possible for pistol shooting. Also, 5000 rounds in a day isn't realistic, but pistol shooters do tend to go through a lot more rounds than rifle shooters. Myself I generally stay at ~50-100 per sitting, but there are plenty out there who go through a hell of a lot more that in a couple of hours at the range.

Doesn't take many of those shooters to start bumping up against that limit.

It also wouldn't be all that hard to count using a decent mic and a PC, although I don't know of anything on the market to do that already.

[Swoop]

'Have our own range' isn't officially possible for pistol shooting.
How do you mean?
There are plenty of ranges around the country that are for pistol shooters.


With APC: there are a couple of big-mouthed retards who generally believe the place wouldn't function without them and antagonise other members, however there are some quietly organised shoots happening there (away from normal operating times) which are relaxed and friendly.

[jono035]

How do you mean?
There are plenty of ranges around the country that are for pistol shooters.


With APC: there are a couple of big-mouthed retards who generally believe the place wouldn't function without them and antagonise other members, however there are some quietly organised shoots happening there (away from normal operating times) which are relaxed and friendly.

I dunno about 'plenty'. I sure wouldn't complain if there were a few more!

I was just trying to point out that having a range with a daily # of rounds limit probably means something different to pistol shooters vs rifle shooters. By having your own range, I mean shooting on your own range/own property.

Something a bit more relaxed and friendly at APC would be great. I'd love to give some of the different match formats a try, too, but it seems a little difficult to know where to start, aside from simply showing up.

[Swoop]

I dunno about 'plenty'. I sure wouldn't complain if there were a few more!

I was just trying to point out that having a range with a daily # of rounds limit probably means something different to pistol shooters vs rifle shooters. By having your own range, I mean shooting on your own range/own property.
Auckland is an anomaly where there are quite a few shooters and very few ranges available. Unfortunately councils' do not see the need for publicly funded sport and recreation facilities that cater to our needs. Thugby, however...:rolleyes:

I have not encountered a range that has a daily rounds limit, so is quite odd to me. Many ranges that we have, had to state how many (approx.) rounds were fired and what calibres, so that de-leading could be done at appropriate times.

Certainly having your own property on which shooting is possible, would be fabulous. I was involved with a rural property where the kids watching TV in the lounge, were quite un-disturbed with me bowling over 'possums from the kitchen window with the 1022. Out the back were turkeys and rabbits plus the space for a 100m range in a dead-end valley. Superb property! Getting one fully templated and signed off by PNZ would be another issue all by itself but is eventually possible.
Hopefully CSI finds somewhere!

[jono035]

Interesting. I'm glad Auckland is the anomaly in this respect, because ensuring that the number of ranges opened is less than the number of ranges closed seems like a pretty decent way to pursue an anti-gun agenda...

I know the feeling with regard to being able to shoot possums out the kitchen window. That's where I first toddled off into the bush with a flashlight and a .22 air rifle, then eventually moved on to lugging around an old car battery with alligator clips onto an old car headlight and .22 rifle.

If more people had these kind of everyday experiences with firearms, I'm sure we'd be much better off as firearms owners and as a country in general! Not to mention, a few less possums never goes amiss...

[awa355]

Can anyone give me an idea what make of rifle my father would have been holding. The photo was taken in 1927.270292

I'm doing a bit of family history. I'm picking it would have been a low calibre rifle, possibly a .22?

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Can anyone give me an idea what make of rifle my father would have been holding. The photo was taken in 1927.270292

I'm doing a bit of family history. I'm picking it would have been a low calibre rifle, possibly a .22?

Barrel looks a bit heavy for a 22
Maybe a 32/20 ?

[jono035]

Barrel looks a bit heavy for a 22
Maybe a 32/20 ?

Yeah, was thinking the barrel looked a bit big.

Also wondering at the loop below the trigger guard. Either lever action or something like a Martini action?

[Indiana_Jones]

Kinda looks like it could have a falling-block action.

-Indy

[caseye]

I'd have said falling block and definitely heavier than .22 quite possibly .32.or .38 were reasonably popular choices back in the day.

[scumdog]

Can anyone give me an idea what make of rifle my father would have been holding. The photo was taken in 1927.270292

I'm doing a bit of family history. I'm picking it would have been a low calibre rifle, possibly a .22?

It looks like a Red Ryder BB gun but I suspect not.

[awa355]

I'll settle for the .32 option.

,one more id needed. This one, I'm picking is a Lee Enfield. The photos were taken at Ngaroma about 1930's.

[Indiana_Jones]

Looks like a 'Long Tom' Enfield to me.

-Indy

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Looks like a 'Long Tom' Enfield to me.

-Indy

Yip, think you're spot on.

[caseye]

Has that Long""""""""""" feel about it alright, can't buy a good one of those for love nor money these days.

[Indiana_Jones]

Agreed, original ones are very hard to get, I have one that had a heavy barrel installed in it in the 50s (it seems) along with a parker hale aperture sight.

-Indy

[Drunken Monkey]

I just landed a job at last.

From Thursday I will be the manager of two help desks. 1 in NZ and the other in the UK.

At last a company that values experience.

'bout time. Staying put then?

[Flip]

Barrel looks a bit heavy for a 22
Maybe a 32/20 ?

It's a Red Rider BB gun.

I had one the same at the same age.

[Mr Merde]

I have a cousin coming home in early December from the US.
He has a couple of rifles that are surplus to his requirements and he asked me to pass the details on to any shooters that may be interested.

They are as follows;

Howa 1500, .270 WIN, blue barrel with Hogue over molded synthetic stock, comes with Nikko Stirling Nighteater Scope 3-10 x 42, Right Hand action
Excellent condition, never been in the bush
Rifle made in Japan, Hogue stock USA, Scope made in China
Rifle and Scope combo NZD $500


Savage Model 11 Hunter, 11GCNS, .308 WIN with AccuTrigger
22 inch Blue barrel with natural wood satin finish, Right Hand action
Detachable Box Magazine
6.75lb Rifle only, 42.5 " Overall Length OAL
Currently mounted with Redfield Revolution 4-12 x 40 4-Plex scope - made in USA by Leupold.
Includes Warne Maxima steel bases and Maxima rings - medium height.
Rifle only NZD $600
Rifle plus scope mounted NZD $850
Excellent condition, 80 rounds fired at Rifle Range

These will be here in NZ early December and if anyone is interested PM me and I will pass on contact details for my cousin.

[Swoop]

Rather interesting at youthtown...
Over $100,000 for an air conditioning/cleaning system needs to be spent.
One idiot on the youthtown board wants to change the range into car parks. He would be lucky if he could get an extra two spaces in there!
Not that he is going to succeed...;)

[puddytat]

Man, just done the simplest of modifications to my Chinese SKS which has really helped that graunchy,heavy, long pull piece of shit trigger action.....& if I can do it then I reckon anyone could with a few simple tools (hammer,pin punch,sandpaper,jewelers file).

Its gone from being a heavy long pull on the trigger with never knowing when it'd go bang,to a smooth, 3-5mm pull where I kind of expected it to've gone bang.:woohoo:
Apart from pulling the trigger apart,its pretty much just polishing the surfaces of the serl & the rails it rides on,cutting one full round off the hammer spring & grinding it flat, & a little bit of file-ing on the top rear edge of the serl.

Anyone one who has this problem should Google it (SKS trigger mod)......theres a good article with pics & also a good video
Now I might be able to hit something.....

[Banditbandit]

It's a Red Rider BB gun.

I had one the same at the same age.

Hmmm this is a Red Ryder BB Gun ... it looks similar, but the wooden forestock on this picture is misisng in the original picture and the tube under the barrel is not there either ...


http://www.northerntool.com/images/product/images/199852_lg.jpg

It might be a Little Beaver - here's a pix of the two together

https://www.toyguntown.com/sc_images/products/637_image.jpg

[puddytat]

Anyone know of anyone whose importing Tech Sights from the U.S.A.....or a N.Z agent?
Im looking at getting a TS200 Peep sight, but they wont ship to N.Z...:facepalm:
They sound like the bizzo .For the SKS.

[puddytat]

Well, supposedly.....Amazon are shipping me one.
When I spoke to Gun City they said it may need to go thru a third party,so maybe Amazon is the 3rd party required?
Just got to wait for a shipping confirmation.....

[Monsterbishi]

Anyone know of anyone whose importing Tech Sights from the U.S.A.....or a N.Z agent?
Im looking at getting a TS200 Peep sight, but they wont ship to N.Z...:facepalm:
They sound like the bizzo .For the SKS.

Failing that NZ Post do a forwarding service where they'll set you up with a US address to send stuff to and they forward it from there.

[jasonu]

Anyone know of anyone whose importing Tech Sights from the U.S.A.....or a N.Z agent?
Im looking at getting a TS200 Peep sight, but they wont ship to N.Z...:facepalm:
They sound like the bizzo .For the SKS.

If you get it sent to me in Oregon I will forward it on to you via USPS (for a small fee for beer). PM if you are interested

[jono035]

A quick googling around seems to indicate that scopes and sights are considered firearm parts by the US Customs Service. There are plenty of people complaining about needing export permits, at least.

A few places will export to NZ without needing to get an export permit if the parts are worth less than US$200, but that rule appears to only apply to licensed exporters.

Just be careful, it seems like a very easy way to end up in trouble.

[jasonu]

A quick googling around seems to indicate that scopes and sights are considered firearm parts by the US Customs Service. There are plenty of people complaining about needing export permits, at least.

A few places will export to NZ without needing to get an export permit if the parts are worth less than US$200, but that rule appears to only apply to licensed exporters.

Just be careful, it seems like a very easy way to end up in trouble.

That is not what I found.
https://www.usps.com/send/can-you-mail-it.htm
https://www.usps.com/send/can-you-mail-it.htm

I also called USPS and was told there is no special restriction on gun accessories.
Within the states you can actually mail unloaded shotguns and rifles. Who'd have thunk...

[jono035]

That is not what I found.
https://www.usps.com/send/can-you-mail-it.htm
https://www.usps.com/send/can-you-mail-it.htm

I also called USPS and was told there is no special restriction on gun accessories.
Within the states you can actually mail unloaded shotguns and rifles. Who'd have thunk...

That's really odd and runs entirely counter to what I found when I was looking into it. Perhaps that's the rules that USPS use (i.e. if you've got all your other paperwork sorted, we'll ship it). Also, could that be within the US, rather than international shipments?

http://www.borderview.com/services/for-individuals/100-export-exemption-details/

That explains the value limit I was talking about before and is an allowance that I've used a few times now. I've talked to a couple of guys who have essentially built entire rifles (excepting the parts listed) from parts purchased in sub $100 lots. It says that the parts may be exported without a license (not sure if this is a sender license or a per-shipment license) but the sender has to be a DDTC Registered Exporter (whatever the hell that is).

There could also be a subtlety between a firearm part and accessory. I'm not sure where that would come down with regards to a sight but oh well.

[puddytat]

Hey, thats most excellent from you fellas.....& I appreciate your input & efforts.
But.....the good news is that I recieved a shipping confirmation from Amazon,saying that Advancemart ( the outfit selling the sight) has shipped my order & its on its way:yes:
The sight itself was $79.00 U.S so this may also explain why its "O.K" to export,& like you said it may well be an accessory.
Next it'll be what customs think of it.....:blink:
I wont believe Im out of the woods until its in my hot little hands though.

[jono035]

Hey, thats most excellent from you fellas.....& I appreciate your input & efforts.
But.....the good news is that I recieved a shipping confirmation from Amazon,saying that Advancemart ( the outfit selling the sight) has shipped my order & its on its way:yes:
The sight itself was $79.00 U.S so this may also explain why its "O.K" to export,& like you said it may well be an accessory.
Next it'll be what customs think of it.....:blink:
I wont believe Im out of the woods until its in my hot little hands though.

Hey, that's great! The trick appears to be finding a seller that is aware of the sub $100 exemption, is DDTC registered and is willing to deal with the hassle of exporting. So far I've bought maybe 4-5 orders from Brownells with good luck, although they're normally a little more expensive than other places such as Midway (who I've bought from and hand-carried back, only low volume reloading gear though which appears to be unregulated).

I just wish Brownells had a decent AR-15 trigger set for less than $100, the milspec trigger on my AR is pretty nasty.

[puddytat]

I just wish Brownells had a decent AR-15 trigger set for less than $100, the milspec trigger on my AR is pretty nasty.

Man, cant be worse than an SKS:facepalm: Feels like you dragging it along gravel !! Have you tried Googling a fix for it? Have just done one on the SKS & what a differance a bit of polishing & filing makes.

[jono035]

Man, cant be worse than an SKS:facepalm: Feels like you dragging it along gravel !! Have you tried Googling a fix for it? Have just done one on the SKS & what a differance a bit of polishing & filing makes.

Yeah, true, it's probably a lot better than the SKS trigger. Hadn't thought of trying to clean it up a bit myself, will have to have a look around.

[jasonu]

That's really odd and runs entirely counter to what I found when I was looking into it. Perhaps that's the rules that USPS use (i.e. if you've got all your other paperwork sorted, we'll ship it). Also, could that be within the US, rather than international shipments?

http://www.borderview.com/services/for-individuals/100-export-exemption-details/

That explains the value limit I was talking about before and is an allowance that I've used a few times now. I've talked to a couple of guys who have essentially built entire rifles (excepting the parts listed) from parts purchased in sub $100 lots. It says that the parts may be exported without a license (not sure if this is a sender license or a per-shipment license) but the sender has to be a DDTC Registered Exporter (whatever the hell that is).

There could also be a subtlety between a firearm part and accessory. I'm not sure where that would come down with regards to a sight but oh well.

Anything EXCEPT the lower reciever (that has a serial number) is just stuff. A reciever, in the USA, is counted as a firearm as it has the serial number stamped on it.m I think the limit value you refere to is an NZ customs thing.

[jono035]

Anything EXCEPT the lower reciever (that has a serial number) is just stuff. A reciever, in the USA, is counted as a firearm as it has the serial number stamped on it.

Again, that runs counter to my experiences. I agree that anything other than the lower receiver is considered a part, rather than a firearm, but the ITAR regulation cited before indicates you need an export permit for barrels, upper receiver housings, BCG (my info is all AR specific), regardless of value, which indicates to me that it is likely more complicated than your comments would indicate.

So, ultimately, it's a personal choice and all but it sounds a bit too dodgy for my liking. The risk vastly outweighs the reward.

[jasonu]

Again, that runs counter to my experiences. I agree that anything other than the lower receiver is considered a part, rather than a firearm, but the ITAR regulation cited before indicates you need an export permit for barrels, upper receiver housings, BCG (my info is all AR specific), regardless of value, which indicates to me that it is likely more complicated than your comments would indicate.

So, ultimately, it's a personal choice and all but it sounds a bit too dodgy for my liking. The risk vastly outweighs the reward.

Yes mate you could be right. My posts refer to the USPS. The recieving countries customs regs would/should be investigated before parts, especially things like uppers and barrels ie stuff that look like gun parts, are sent. I would be super surprised if scopes and or sights caused a problem...

[Mr Merde]

Again, that runs counter to my experiences. I agree that anything other than the lower receiver is considered a part, rather than a firearm, but the ITAR regulation cited before indicates you need an export permit for barrels, upper receiver housings, BCG (my info is all AR specific), regardless of value, which indicates to me that it is likely more complicated than your comments would indicate.

So, ultimately, it's a personal choice and all but it sounds a bit too dodgy for my liking. The risk vastly outweighs the reward.

The ATF have pretty much declared that in the case of AR15 uppers that they are "non firearms" and do not need a permit to buy or to export.

I was looking into this when a company produced a .22 LR belt fed upper for the AR15. Lakeside.

Chris

[Mr Merde]

I am hoping for someones input here.

I am interested in purchasing a Marlin Camp Carbine in .45 ACP. 7 shot 1911 mags.

Has anyone here on this board had any experience of these sweet little carbines?

Thinking that if I get one I will have a suppressor fixed permanently to it.

Would make a sweet little bunny, goat, pig and bush gun.

Have found them for about $500 US and my cuz would probably be able to bring it over for me in December.

Along with 10x 7 round magazines at about $10 US each.

Chris

[jono035]

I am hoping for someones input here.

I am interested in purchasing a Marlin Camp Carbine in .45 ACP. 7 shot 1911 mags.

Has anyone here on this board had any experience of these sweet little carbines?

Thinking that if I get one I will have a suppressor fixed permanently to it.

Would make a sweet little bunny, goat, pig and bush gun.

Have found them for about $500 US and my cuz would probably be able to bring it over for me in December.

Along with 10x 7 round magazines at about $10 US each.

Chris

There was a guy at Central Shooters with one in 9mm... Even firing subs it was still pretty loud. Nice thing to shoot. He had a holo sight on it and it cycled beautifully. If you're going to suppress it, go full on and do a 3" shrouded half-assed de-lisle lookalike! Muzzle pressure would be low enough to use plastic, even.

Still, it's going to be like lobbing stones. At 100m it'll be dropping at a 45 degree angle :P

[jono035]

The ATF have pretty much declared that in the case of AR15 uppers that they are "non firearms" and do not need a permit to buy or to export.

I was looking into this when a company produced a .22 LR belt fed upper for the AR15. Lakeside.

Chris

Might have been declared non-firearm, but I'd imagine it might still need an export permit. From my understanding, I would have needed an export permit if I had of put my grip, foreend, gas block, gas tube and charging handle upgrades on the same order...

[Mr Merde]

There was a guy at Central Shooters with one in 9mm... Even firing subs it was still pretty loud. Nice thing to shoot. He had a holo sight on it and it cycled beautifully. If you're going to suppress it, go full on and do a 3" shrouded half-assed de-lisle lookalike! Muzzle pressure would be low enough to use plastic, even.

Still, it's going to be like lobbing stones. At 100m it'll be dropping at a 45 degree angle :P

But quietly.

Used to shoot my AMT Longslide .45 ACP for groups at 100 yards. This was done in a standing position with an isosceles stance.
Bullseye shooting in the US consists of competing with the .45 and if you cant hit a 1" group at 50 yards one handed then you have no chance. this is with a pistol not a carbine.

The De Lisle was good for 50-100 yards accuracy with an 8" barrel. The Marlin has a 16 1/2 inch barrel. Both use the same round.

[Mr Merde]

I'll settle for the .32 option.

,one more id needed. This one, I'm picking is a Lee Enfield. The photos were taken at Ngaroma about 1930's.

http://www.nrvoutdoors.com/UTILITY/DREYSE%20NEEDLE%20GUN.png

the nose looks similar to this .

Dreyse Needle gun

[Mr Merde]

Can anyone give me an idea what make of rifle my father would have been holding. The photo was taken in 1927.270292

I'm doing a bit of family history. I'm picking it would have been a low calibre rifle, possibly a .22?

Its not a Red Ryder, they werent made until about 1940.
It may be a Daisy H BB gun made about 1921-23

http://images.gunstar.co.uk/Gun-Images/H-A98868.jpg

[Mr Merde]

Oh look at this. Seen one anywhere? Definitely looks like something a 9 year old boy in 1927 would have.

http://images.gunstar.co.uk/Gun-Images/Daisy-MOD-2138-A87692.jpg

Daisy MOD 2138 made in the 1920's


Do I get a prize for this?

Merde

[Mr Merde]

Bored tonite so I thought i would do a little browsing.

Found myself at the ACC site and in particular at the statistics for 2007-2008.

Very Interesting.

In the section "fatal claims by sports played" there is some enlightening information. number of Current cases.

From these stats I have come to the opinion that sports involving water should be heavily regulated, the participants should be licenced for these and there should be a water code that the participants need to be examined on before they are allowed to buy swim gear, diving equipment and fishing equipment.

By doing so we could that year have cut our sports fatalities by 40%.

To back me up here is what is presented

Deaths that year

Underwater diving 41
Fishing 39
Swimming 34
Boating 19

Total 133 out of a total number of 333 of all sports.

Hunting accounted for 12 deaths that year.

Its obvious that water is more dangerous than hunting. The fix that could save a lot of lives is obvious. Let the police be in charge of licensing anyone who wants to participate in sports that involve water. Give them the power to stop anyone who doesn't have good reason from using the oceans, lakes and rivers of NZ. Make anyone who wishes to partake of "water sports" undergo a vetting process including providing references.

Run a crafty campaign to seriously undermine the above sports and drive those future sports persons away from the water. Give the police a budget to enforce this policy and set performance criteria for adherance to these policies.

Just think we could have saved 133 new Zealander's lives that year by making it impoassible to enjoy life on water.

Just my thoughts.

http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/statistics/ABA00053#P77_7107


PS Just for you Indy. By "water sports" I mean activities that involves oceans, lakes and rivers. It doesnt mean giving your girlfriend a "Golden Shower"

[jono035]

Bored tonite so I thought i would do a little browsing.

Found myself at the ACC site and in particular at the statistics for 2007-2008.

Very Interesting.

In the section "fatal claims by sports played" there is some enlightening information.

From these stats I have come to the opinion that sports involving water should be heavily regulated, the participants should be licenced for these and there should be a water code that the participants need to be examined on before they are allowed to buy swim gear, diving equipment and fishing equipment.

By doing so we could that year have cut our sports fatalities by 40%.

To back me up here is what is presented

Deaths that year

Underwater diving 41
Fishing 39
Swimming 34
Boating 19

Total 133 out of a total number of 333 of all sports.

Hunting accounted for 12 deaths that year.

Its obvious that water is more dangerous than hunting. The fix that could save a lot of lives is obvious. Let the police be in charge of licensing anyone who wants to participate in sports that involve water. Give them the power to stop anyone who doesn't have good reason from using the oceans, lakes and rivers of NZ. Make anyone who wishes to partake of "water sports" undergo a vetting process including providing references.

Run a crafty campaign to seriously undermine the above sports and drive those future sports persons away from the water. Give the police a budget to enforce this policy and set performance criteria for adherance to these policies.

Just think we could have saved 133 new Zealander's lives that year by making it impoassible to enjoy life on water.

Just my thoughts.

http://www.acc.co.nz/about-acc/statistics/ABA00053#P77_7107

To be fair, a lot of places won't take you diving without a PADI certification or similar, but I don't know if that's a legal issue or a basic covering-their-asses issue.

I 100% agree, and the arguments bear a lot of similarities to the arguments against the ACC hike on motorbike rego. Perception wins over reality in a lot of cases. Firearms and motorbikes 'seem' dangerous, therefore they must be. Personally, I'm more scared of my bloody angle grinder and circular saw after some of the stories that I've heard.

Of course, one thing that sports injuries often have in common is that they tend to happen to the person being the idiot, which invokes a lot of 'well, that will teach them, then' sentiment. I think human's generally seem to believe that they are completely infallible and incapable of making poor decisions so there's a 'there's no way I'd be that stupid' reaction. In the hunting accidents that have received coverage recently, this is rarely the case as it's generally not the careless idiot in question that gets shot. That's why Darwin awards are funny while the 6pm news generally isn't. Someone running themselves over because they didn't engage the handbrake is hilarious. Someone getting run over because someone else didn't engage their handbrake is tragic. We're incapable of believe that we would ever run ourselves over by accident, yet being run over by someone else's stupidity is a day to day hazard.

Edit: Merde - where the hell did you get the idea that he was the one GIVING the golden shower??

[Mr Merde]

......

Edit: Merde - where the hell did you get the idea that he was the one GIVING the golden shower??

I'm sorry about the assumption. As we all know Indy reasonably well it was too much to think that he would be the giver. He probably dives in sans mask and goggles and only a cheap snorkel for breathing.

Sorry Indy for placing you in the just off normal category, when we should have you left of raving looney\prevert.

Merde

[The Pastor]

horse riding also accounts for some deaths, lets ban them! smelly things.

[jono035]

horse riding also accounts for some deaths, lets ban them! smelly things.

Yeah, I know plenty of people injured or crippled from horse riding. I remember a Jeremy Clarkson column where he was complaining that people who ride horses are living in a different world to the rest of us, because his wife thought it was perfectly reasonable to lobby the government to use a different surface on the roads that is better for a horses hooves... All sense of reason seems to go out the window, only to be reaplced with 'but, horse!'.

[Banditbandit]

Yeah, I know plenty of people injured or crippled from horse riding. I remember a Jeremy Clarkson column where he was complaining that people who ride horses are living in a different world to the rest of us, because his wife thought it was perfectly reasonable to lobby the government to use a different surface on the roads that is better for a horses hooves... All sense of reason seems to go out the window, only to be reaplced with 'but, horse!'.

Yeah .. but if you had a dick that big I'll bet women would fawn all over you too !!!

[Mr Merde]

The current trend of this thread has brought to mind my old drill instructor.

I made the mistake of calling my SLR my gun.

I had the old 4 line verse quoted to me in front of my whole platoon.

" This is your rifle,
This is your gun.
This is for shooting,
This is for fun"

Accompanied by gestures that left nothing to doubt as to which he was referring with each line.

[puddytat]

The current trend of this thread has brought to mind my old drill instructor.

I made the mistake of calling my SLR my gun.

I had the old 4 line verse quoted to me in front of my whole platoon.

" This is your rifle,
This is your gun.
This is for shooting,
This is for fun"

Accompanied by gestures that left nothing to doubt as to which he was referring with each line.

Gee, they were a great weapon wernt they....i remember endless stripping down & re-assembly drills in Basic...loading mags in under 20 secs, all the time corporals yellin' hurry the fuck up...the matchstick trick:oi-grr:

[Mr Merde]

Gee, they were a great weapon wernt they....i remember endless stripping down & re-assembly drills in Basic...loading mags in under 20 secs, all the time corporals yellin' hurry the fuck up...the matchstick trick:oi-grr:

Someone who has done basic before the plastic guns.

The matchstick with the silver paper from a ciggie pack.

Got a bit hot though.

Could light your cigs off the hot metal almost.

In '76 they also issued my platoon with M16's left behind by a Yank unit from Hawaii. OCTU.

[jono035]

So... Turns out the matchstick trick is a way to use a matchstick to make SLRs fire full-auto. There was some discussion whether it was basically an uncontrolled slamfire or whether it simply foiled the disconnector making it an improperly timed full-auto.

Either way, looks like I can safely say that I've added my work IP to a few more watch-lists that my home one was probably already on...

[puddytat]

If I remember correctly, the Army had a few with a heavier barrell & bipod that were capable of automatic....
I was quite happy that I was a short arse.....it was the big fellas that had to lug tha GPMG:nya:

Jono....did you check out the trigger job for your AR ?

[Swoop]

If I remember correctly, the Army had a few with a heavier barrell & bipod that were capable of automatic...
That is the L2A1.

[jono035]

If I remember correctly, the Army had a few with a heavier barrell & bipod that were capable of automatic....
I was quite happy that I was a short arse.....it was the big fellas that had to lug tha GPMG:nya:

Jono....did you check out the trigger job for your AR ?

Haven't had a chance to look into it more than the 10 minutes that I spent after you suggested it. Looks like there are a ton of resources out there. The mil-spec trigger replacement parts are pretty ridiculously cheap, too, so it'd make it pretty easy to have a spare set in case I terminally ruin the first set. Definitely considering giving this a shot.

At the moment, my main issue is the short stroking with subsonics + suppressor though.

[Mr Merde]

So... Turns out the matchstick trick is a way to use a matchstick to make SLRs fire full-auto. There was some discussion whether it was basically an uncontrolled slamfire or whether it simply foiled the disconnector making it an improperly timed full-auto.

Either way, looks like I can safely say that I've added my work IP to a few more watch-lists that my home one was probably already on...

As a respectable old person I couldnt confirm that assumption you just made as to the purpose of the matchstick. Just let it be known that it was wasteful, hard to handle and it wasnt uncommon for steel tubing to wilt, noticably.

Jono you have probably been on a watchlist for a very long time. You are a NZ citizen and we all know that means you are fair game fot TPTB.

[Mr Merde]

If I remember correctly, the Army had a few with a heavier barrell & bipod that were capable of automatic....
I was quite happy that I was a short arse.....it was the big fellas that had to lug tha GPMG:nya:

Jono....did you check out the trigger job for your AR ?



I got to carry both M72 and M79 along with my L1A1.

Loved the M79

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSXgm_xtZO1lQYZIOahXwQWkxb6Z5HNU 4ntydUKGTX88eeyHNYC

Happy when I went to Corp training. Truck towed the 105 and I sat in the back.

5 mile snipers rule.

M72
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR39qLqEzt6SUeWigpQBZPNr6UkzKsXj _lNB3hECbUZox6OHSci

[nseagoon]

If I remember correctly, the Army had a few with a heavier barrell & bipod that were capable of automatic....
I was quite happy that I was a short arse.....it was the big fellas that had to lug tha GPMG:nya:

Jono....did you check out the trigger job for your AR ?


I have a 1962 L2A1 converted to an L1A1. ex trentham stock, NZSD painted on the butt.
I've also imported an israeli SUIT and dust cover. it groups well, rounds touching at 100m (the longest I've tested it to yet)

my cousin has an A cat L1A1 converted to look like an L2A1. I gave it a go shooting, turns out it's more comfortable if you grab both bipod legs, hold them on the left side of the rifle and tuck the butt under your armpit. I found you have to be careful where you touch it once the heavy barrel heats up. even though it takes longer to get hot, it also takes longer to cool down.

[puddytat]

I had a "live'' shot with the m79 after getting closest to the barrel target during Basic with a practice round.....Prick of a trigger, you had to push down so hard on the top triggery bit that I found it virtually impossible to aim & the rocket sailed off into the distance....good bang though!!:woohoo:
dunno how you'd hit a speeding anything , with it. practice I 'spose. Wonder if an RPG would be as difficult?

Had my peep sight for the SKS arrive today, to the day that they said it would arrive. Not bad I thought since it'd come 1/2 way 'round the planet to our Rural Delivery address.:niceone:
The hills will be alive to the sound of gunfire tomorrow as I try to get the hang of them.:ar15:

[scumdog]

As a respectable old person I couldnt confirm that assumption you just made as to the purpose of the matchstick. Just let it be known that it was wasteful, hard to handle and it wasnt uncommon for steel tubing to wilt, noticably.

.

Apparently that is true with most home-made 'full-auto' conversions, particularly the uncontrollable wastefull bit...

[Mr Merde]

I had a "live'' shot with the m79 after getting closest to the barrel target during Basic with a practice round.....Prick of a trigger, you had to push down so hard on the top triggery bit that I found it virtually impossible to aim & the rocket sailed off into the distance....good bang though!!:woohoo:
dunno how you'd hit a speeding anything , with it. practice I 'spose. Wonder if an RPG would be as difficult?

Had my peep sight for the SKS arrive today, to the day that they said it would arrive. Not bad I thought since it'd come 1/2 way 'round the planet to our Rural Delivery address.:niceone:
The hills will be alive to the sound of gunfire tomorrow as I try to get the hang of them.:ar15:

Sounds more like the M72 (rocket launcher) than the M79 (grenade launcher).

M79 trigger was heavy but just like a single barrel shotgun. M72 had that rubber button thing on the top of the tube you had to push doan real hard on.

Merde

[Mr Merde]

Apparently that is true with most home-made 'full-auto' conversions, particularly the uncontrollable wastefull bit...

Yes. arms manufacturers spend a lot of time, money and energy into developing their rock n roll machines. I know of some that were deliberately slowed down in their cyclic rate so as to be easier to handle.

Ever fired a Sten. Definitely "spray and pray'.

Even the MP5 on auto wasnt to good. Anything over 50 metres was a long shot.

Best time I had was with an M16 in fa. Walked the bullets to the 100 metre target and then held it on for a few seconds til the mag ran out. Change mag and do it again.

Bren gun. Best of all. Not fast but very accurate. barrel heated up a real treat though.

Ma Deuce now that was a beast. Not as fast as the GPMG but who cares. Mounted on an APC it was rock steady and accurate.

FA isnt supposed to be accurate. Supposed to give a field of cover, who wants 50 bullets going into one group when you have a lot of baddies comming at you. You want baddies to be fearful and duck down. lots of bullets scattered in a reasonably controlable area.

Merde

[puddytat]

Sounds more like the M72 (rocket launcher) than the M79 (grenade launcher).

M79 trigger was heavy but just like a single barrel shotgun. M72 had that rubber button thing on the top of the tube you had to push doan real hard on.

Merde

yeah youre right, 'twas the M72...

[scumdog]

tre target and then held it on for a few seconds til the mag ran out. Change mag and do it again.

Bren gun. Best of all. Not fast but very accurate. barrel heated up a real treat though.


Merde

My experience too - and the trigger and firing rate were so well matched that single shots while on full auto mode were easy-peasy!

[Mr Merde]

My experience too - and the trigger and firing rate were so well matched that single shots while on full auto mode were easy-peasy!

When doing my basic I was placed in an OCTU platoon, only 20 of us in the intake.

One day our officer decided that since we couldnt leave base that weekend but we didnt have to train, that we should have a yippeee shoot. We took SLR's, M16's, Bren guns in .303, GPMG, AK47's, a couple of UZI's and what ever else he could get ammo for. This included an APC with a MA Deuce mounted on it.

For two days we burned powder and had fun. Almost 40 years ago and it still rings in the memory.

My first taste of rock n roll and left a yearning for more that I still havent lost.

Merde

[scumdog]

My first taste of rock n roll and left a yearning for more that I still havent lost.

Merde

Ya get a 'feel' about how to best use a variety of weapons on full auto eh!

Some are just 'right' and easily controlled and predictable, others like a badly tuned chain-saw on steroids...

[Mr Merde]

Ya get a 'feel' about how to best use a variety of weapons on full auto eh!

Some are just 'right' and easily controlled and predictable, others like a badly tuned chain-saw on steroids...

SD you are a man after my own heart.You have powder in your veins and you spit lead.

[nseagoon]

does anyone remember the thread for a #1 Mk3 enfield? I'm building a De Lisle and have a barrel blank to work on.

[Paul in NZ]

Looks like fun...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/9690407/The-Big-Sandy-Machine-Gun-Shoot-in-Arizona.html?frame=2403831

[Edbear]

Looks like fun...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/picturegalleries/9690407/The-Big-Sandy-Machine-Gun-Shoot-in-Arizona.html?frame=2403831

"Come and fire a live machine gun!" Better than firing a dead one..?:yes:

[Swoop]

They use small helicopters to clear downrange, prior to the shoot commencing. A massive area to sanitize and make sure it is clear prior to the command to "LOAD!".

[scumdog]

"Come and fire a live machine gun!" Better than firing a dead one..?:yes:


A ton of fun - and if you could bring your own ammo it would be even better!( The bastards charge like a wounded bulll, sheesh, ya would think the bullets were made of gold!)

[Swoop]

Well the Gun City "sale" was a bit of a non-event.

Looking at a new rimfire rifle and noticed the "discount" price and thought "maybe".

Luckily I went to Reloaders beforehand to check their price. Normal retail was still over $100- cheaper than the "SPECIAL" Goon Shitty price.

I know Christchurch needs rebuilding, but via gun sale profits?

Oddly, Serious Rooters is even the same cheap deal.

[puddytat]

The local policeman here was a tad unimpressed with gun shitty.....supposedly they've been a tad tardy on the correct forms from the Fuzz for online sales....& have lost a couple of dealer licenses therefor. Down to one he reckoned.
All hearsay of course.

[jono035]

Urgh, yeah, I've never been able to justify anything fancier than a 10/22 mag from there.

I've been eyeing up one of their cheap pump action 12 gauges for a while. Any suggestions in that regard? Looking for something cheap to blow up a dozen or so magpies around my parent's place...

[nseagoon]

yeah I check the gun city site occasionally and they actually ramped up the price on a bunch of items prior to the sale (e cat sks and mini 14's)

as for their shotguns, they are chinese copys of the remmington 870. I have one with a ghost ring sight.
they were $150 when they first came out. I'm shocked at the prices now!

but in saying that it's a good all rounder shotgun. I sighted some rifled slugs at 25m and the holes were all touching.
I use it with #4's on turkeys and #8's on quail. I've never had any problems with it and it field strips the same as a remmington, and if you are in to that sort of thing you can put the ATI stocks and accessories on it without any modification.
it shoots exactly where I aim it.
also the recoil is fine. I've mucked around on the farm shooting 1 handed, away from the shoulder etc with a variety of shots, buckshot etc and the recoil is manageable and less than an SLR.

the only downside is the metal quality. the receiver absorbs lots of oil but still gets rusty easily. it's always been in a dry environment but that hasn't stopped the rust.
the inside of the barrel doesn't rust though. I'm guessing that's because like all norincos it must be chrome lined.

in short, not much to look at but great shooting and reliability!

[jono035]

yeah I check the gun city site occasionally and they actually ramped up the price on a bunch of items prior to the sale (e cat sks and mini 14's)

as for their shotguns, they are chinese copys of the remmington 870. I have one with a ghost ring sight.
they were $150 when they first came out. I'm shocked at the prices now!

but in saying that it's a good all rounder shotgun. I sighted some rifled slugs at 25m and the holes were all touching.
I use it with #4's on turkeys and #8's on quail. I've never had any problems with it and it field strips the same as a remmington, and if you are in to that sort of thing you can put the ATI stocks and accessories on it without any modification.
it shoots exactly where I aim it.
also the recoil is fine. I've mucked around on the farm shooting 1 handed, away from the shoulder etc with a variety of shots, buckshot etc and the recoil is manageable and less than an SLR.

the only downside is the metal quality. the receiver absorbs lots of oil but still gets rusty easily. it's always been in a dry environment but that hasn't stopped the rust.
the inside of the barrel doesn't rust though. I'm guessing that's because like all norincos it must be chrome lined.

in short, not much to look at but great shooting and reliability!

Good to know. Was a 50/50 between stalking Tardme and trying to find a decent 2nd hand one or just picking up a cheap new one and being done with it. Not so keen on the high maintenance aspect though, my shed seems to have moisture issues and everything not utterly soaked in oil just rusts.

[Swoop]

GC also have their own "brand" of AR15's being made in china.:confused:

Personally I'm staying well clear of any of their own made-under-contract (to pirated plans, presumably) firearms.

Their ammo seems a little pricey as well...

[jono035]

GC also have their own "brand" of AR15's being made in china.:confused:

Personally I'm staying well clear of any of their own made-under-contract (to pirated plans, presumably) firearms.

Their ammo seems a little pricey as well...

Well the AR-15s are a bit of a weird one given that the plans are effectively an open standard and there are so many different combinations and permutations of manufacturers and vendors.

I've seen a few people discussing how difficult it is to find any concrete information on just how much of a american made AR-15 is actually sourced from within america. The best appear to be major components are sourced locally and nobody knows about the smaller pieces while they might as well say assembled in america for the more egregious cases.

Personally I made sure that I got forged receiver pieces that were made in america, as well as an american made barrel and BCG and left it at that.

As for being made to pirated plans, there can be a lot of differences there as well. I'm not sure what the situation is with the GC 870 clones but I know with both my Taurus pistols they were made under license with one of them being in the same factory and using the same tooling as Beretta used to make their 92s. With a lot of electronics the clones and knockoffs start out being the best of the rejects pile or ghost shift productions and often turn into separate businesses all by themselves.

I'm not that sympathetic to anyone who outsources their manufacturing to be honest. There's obvious fire being played with there and when you're taking a calculated risk for a calculated reward, you can't get too upset when things don't turn out the way you'd like.

I'd definitely be pickup up ammo somewhere else, though.

[puddytat]

Gun Works in Chch seem reasonable ammo wise,seems like they do a lot of smithing to.

[Swoop]

Gun Works in Chch seem reasonable ammo wise,seems like they do a lot of smithing to.
Gun Works are engineers.
Gun City are firearms dealers.

Two different companies.

[puddytat]

They do sell ammo though.

[caseye]

Urgh, yeah, I've never been able to justify anything fancier than a 10/22 mag from there.

I've been eyeing up one of their cheap pump action 12 gauges for a while. Any suggestions in that regard? Looking for something cheap to blow up a dozen or so magpies around my parent's place...

Don't know if they still have em but Seri arse shooters had a line of Saiga semi auto 12 gauges.
I got one a couple of years ago.
Shoots damn tight, a long way out, can do interchangeable chokes, also shoots literally as fast as you can pull the trigger, recoil, negligible.
Best thing, they come with a 5 shot box mag and you can get em up to 30 or more, naturally with the right endorsement.
AK47 action in a shotty, pure fun.
:done:

[jono035]

Don't know if they still have em but Seri arse shooters had a line of Saiga semi auto 12 gauges.
I got one a couple of years ago.
Shoots damn tight, a long way out, can do interchangeable chokes, also shoots literally as fast as you can pull the trigger, recoil, negligible.
Best thing, they come with a 5 shot box mag and you can get em up to 30 or more, naturally with the right endorsement.
AK47 action in a shotty, pure fun.
:done:

What kinda price range? Tough to beat the ~$400 pump actions but I need something with an AK action to round out the collection...

[caseye]

From memory when i bought it from Richard it was about 5 Hundy. A good price then and it's never missed a beat. Barrel is as always with Russian stuff chromed. no rusting anywhere and it just keeps on going and going, took it out of the safe last week ( first time in nearly 18 months) and blasted some home loads from my brother in law, they kicked good. Too much powder, but handled it fine, shoulder on the other hand a bit sore.
I'd seriously recommend these guns.
The box mag, is the crowning glory, stick of 7, 15 and twenty I beleive, then a full on drum that holds 30 and I believe up to 100, though I think you'd need a gurney to carry it around under the gun.

[nseagoon]

pretty sure serious shooters doesn't have them anymore. I'm imagining they were selling the saigas many years ago. new saiga 12's are around $900 to $1400 for the base model these days

[carver]

pretty sure serious shooters doesn't have them anymore. I'm imagining they were selling the saigas many years ago. new saiga 12's are around $900 to $1400 for the base model these days

i would not have another saiga

[jasonu]

Prices and availability of guns and gun stuff is on the rise. Especially military style weapons and high cap mags. Today my mate bought an AR15 for $2500, last week the very same gun on the very same website was $1600 (and he was lucky to find that one). Try finding high cap mags, good luck with that one. I was lucky enough to find one for my Ruger 9mm. Assult rifle high caps are now pretty much unobtainium. 223 ammo has also become hard to find and more expensive than even 4 days ago.

[jono035]

Prices and availability of guns and gun stuff is on the rise. Especially military style weapons and high cap mags. Today my mate bought an AR15 for $2500, last week the very same gun on the very same website was $1600 (and he was lucky to find that one). Try finding high cap mags, good luck with that one. I was lucky enough to find one for my Ruger 9mm. Assult rifle high caps are now pretty much unobtainium. 223 ammo has also become hard to find and more expensive than even 4 days ago.

Yeah, I'd imagine it's getting to be the same for reloading components, too. Every time there is a serious threat of law changes, people start panic buying firearms, components and ammunition. Not that I blame them, I'd be picking up a few ARs (or at least lowers) in the hope of avoiding some more pointless restrictions in the wake of Sandy Hook.

I had already seen mutterings on various forums about people expecting some form of firearms legislation to be re-enacted like the assault weapons ban if Obama got re-elected, so I guess if people were already worried, this will likely spur them into action.

[Swoop]

Pretty much par for the course. Any hint of politicians writing more crap laws always brings out the buyers.

[jasonu]

Pretty much par for the course. Any hint of politicians writing more crap laws always brings out the buyers.

Na mate, with recient events this time something will happen.

[scumdog]

Na mate, with recient events this time something will happen.

I reckon so too.

Just hope the law-abiding types don't get snared in the new legislation, pollies ain't the sharpest tack in the packet at organising new legislation...

Like in NZ:
If you have a semi-auto .22 with a pistol grip and it only holds five shots in the mag you need a different catagory licence (read: harder to get)
Own a .22 with a 15 shot mag but no pistol grip? - no special licence needed.

Aparently (apart from magazine capacity) if you have the following on a SEMI-AUTO you need a specia,l more expensive-and-harder-to-get licence and increased security:
FREE-STAND MILITARY style pistol a grip (Joe Greens nemesis)
Flash-hider
Bayonet lug
Telescopic butt-stock.

[jasonu]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/160942931197?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2F i.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D1609429 31197%26_rdc%3D1
These were $15 2 weeks ago.

[Swoop]

FREE-STAND MILITARY style pistol a grip

This is very interesting. I have noticed gunshops selling A-cats with free standing pistol grips and questioned the dealers. They say "perfectly fine as long as not Nato stock numbered/pattern". Things could get more interesting.

Have just returned from a tour around the gunshops (fook me! D'auckland traffic is jammed and crawing today) and this pistol grip scenario is quite common.

[Flip]

The rozza still have their heads stuck up their asses as far as the whole A-E cat thing goes. They have been taken to task by judges a couple of times now and have been reminded in court that it is not their job to interperate the firearms law. At last count the courts have said that a AR15-Bushmaster is not a E cat but a Military M16 is.

The funny thing is that the rozza have completely and utterly snafu'd the whole E cat thing now. Because of their pig ignorance they have made a whole lot of A cat into E cat when they are not E cat and have made a lot of new E cat licence holders out of shooters who only need an A cat. When I was last "inspected" I was told that I really dont need a E cat licence and why don't they just delete the E cat off my licence. I asked for that in writing so I can present it in court when I sue the police for the cost of the safe and monitored alarm system. Funny I have never heard from them again.

WRT Sagas, I have had one for about 6 years, its gone through about ten thousand shells, almost never jams, gets cleaned once a year if it is lucky. It took me a while to get used to it as it shoots and holds like a rifle also fitting a holographic red dot sight improved my hit ratio by at least 100%. Its butt ugly but works and I will buy another when I wear this one out. I have a couple of 8 round mags but they do make the gun heavy, the 5's are better-easier if I am legging it, the 8's are best if I am on the back of the landrover.

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[jono035]

Ended up getting a Maverick 88 from Reloader's Supplies for the same price as the base Gun City 870. Would much rather be buying from there, anyway, as I ended up buying half a dozen other things, all cheaper than at GC. Will have to get a few rounds through it before I can really comment, but so far it looks pretty good. Stock is slightly on the cheap feeling side, but the thing is pretty light.

Swoop - I was out in that crazyness to get the shotgun at lunch time. What a shitfight. By 4:30 it was completely clear, there were 4 or 5 cars stacked up on the onramp in the city and then posted speed the entire way home. Looks like Auckland is emptying out early this year.

With regard to the free-standing pistol grip thing, they have been available for A-cat semi-autos for at least a year now. I'm thinking I picked up my AR-15 at a decent time given the recent political rumblings both here and in the US.

Picked up one of the cheap Trius clay throwers and a box of clays to have a play with while up home, as well. Should be a bit of amusement.

[Indiana_Jones]

I see this shit is coming into force soon...

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2011/0285/latest/whole.html

-Indy

[scumdog]

The rozza still have their heads stuck up their asses as far as the whole A-E cat thing goes. They have been taken to task by judges a couple of times now and have been reminded in court that it is not their job to interperate the firearms law. At last count the courts have said that a AR15-Bushmaster is not a E cat but a Military M16 is.

The funny thing is that the rozza have completely and utterly snafu'd the whole E cat thing now. Because of their pig ignorance they have made a whole lot of A cat into E cat when they are not E cat and have made a lot of new E cat licence holders out of shooters who only need an A cat. When I was last "inspected" I was told that I really dont need a E cat licence and why don't they just delete the E cat off my licence. I asked for that in writing so I can present it in court when I sue the police for the cost of the safe and monitored alarm system. Funny I have never heard from them again.



Don't include me in your slagging - I think you are talking about Inspector Joe Greens decisons...

[scumdog]

I see this shit is coming into force soon...

http://www.legislation.govt.nz/bill/government/2011/0285/latest/whole.html

-Indy

Bastards!
I see it is still illegal to have a two-shot semi auto that has a flash supressor if you only have a Cat. A licence:weird::brick:

Obvoiusly 'somebody' carefully thought that bit of legislation...pfft!

[Scuba_Steve]

Bastards!
I see it is still illegal to have a two-shot semi auto that has a flash supressor if you only have a Cat. A licence:weird::brick:


Yea but I'm allowed my fully auto now :D

[jasonu]

Someone sent me this little gem from Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=fGaDAThOHhA

[Zedder]

I've been involved in a few geological and roading surveys in Oz over the years. Often we are in very isolated areas and have both explosives and firearms with us.

Recently however, scrutiny of our teams by federal officials prior to us arriving at survey sites, has increased markedly. We are now treated quite differently and even questioned albeit in a low key way. Things have certainly changed over there.

[scumdog]

Someone sent me this little gem from Australia
https://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=fGaDAThOHhA

Gee, what a surprise!!:pinch::rolleyes: (And a lot of those rifles weren't pump-action/automatics, they were sporting bolt actions, double-barrel shotguns and old 303's.)

NO wonder those two Aussie journos doing bike reviews here recently described their homeland as the 'beige state'.

Aussie: I like the people, the scenery and so on, probably a great place if you have no interest in firearms, modified vehicles and probably a shitl-load of other stuff we can have in NZ.

[jono035]

Gee, what a surprise!!:pinch::rolleyes: (And a lot of those rifles weren't pump-action/automatics, they were sporting bolt actions, double-barrel shotguns and old 303's.)

NO wonder those two Aussie journos doing bike reviews here recently described their homeland as the 'beige state'.

Aussie: I like the people, the scenery and so on, probably a great place if you have no interest in firearms, modified vehicles and probably a shitl-load of other stuff we can have in NZ.

You like the people?

I've got a few friends living in Aussie (Sydney mostly, but some in Melbourne) and they're all saying that it's turning into a scary racist xenophobic nightmare...

[pritch]

You like the people?

I've got a few friends living in Aussie (Sydney mostly, but some in Melbourne) and they're all saying that it's turning into a scary racist xenophobic nightmare...

Nah it was always thus.

[jono035]

Nah it was always thus.

Well, at least they're consistent? :wacko:

[Zedder]

You like the people?

I've got a few friends living in Aussie (Sydney mostly, but some in Melbourne) and they're all saying that it's turning into a scary racist xenophobic nightmare...

Like the USA then.

[jono035]

Like the USA then.

Like parts of the USA, almost certainly. Most of the time I've spent in the US has been in California which, for all their other oddities (firearms related or otherwise), is a pretty friendly and welcoming place. That said, being an english speaking caucasian male from a harmless and well-thought of little island somewhere down by Australia doesn't exactly set anyones alarm bells off...

[scumdog]

You like the people?

I've got a few friends living in Aussie (Sydney mostly, but some in Melbourne) and they're all saying that it's turning into a scary racist xenophobic nightmare...

Probably becuase some can foresee 'the-tail-waging-the-dog' with some minorities calling the shots...it's happened in other places where the new arrival form enclaves of their own country and then expect their adopted country to bend for them...just sayin'.

[awa355]

Good to see we have always taken Gun safety seriously in NZ<_<

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[scumdog]

Good to see we have always taken Gun safety seriously in NZ<_<

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At least six of them are being fairly safe!!

[Swoop]

I see the Youthtown range issue has hit the Harold's wonderful reporting prowess...

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10859163

[nseagoon]

at least Wayne had a say in it. but still didn't quite explain everything, such as the illegal lockout! and the reason the ventilation couldn't be upgraded was because the rent wouldn't be extended past 2 months even though the rent had been paid a year in advance.

the club was more than happy to upgrade the ventilation, they were eyeing up a $250,000 system. but there's no point installing it if there was a risk of being kicked out within 2 months!

now it's sitting there unused as a range, and unable to be rented out to anyone else so no income for youthtown trust now. idiots!

[SMOKEU]

What do you guys think of these http://www.ducks.org/media/Hunting/Gearing%20Up/_images/july10clayThrower.jpg types of clay throwers?


I have a cheap Gun City spring type clay thrower in which the frame bent to the point it's completely fucked the first time I used it. Is throwing clays by hand any good with no wind? I'm too broke to afford a proper thrower.

[Indiana_Jones]

If you get the technique right they're fine to use. Though if I recall correctly I had to use it with my right hand as it wasn't designed with left handed people in mind.

-Indy

[jono035]

The $99 Trius thrower from Reloader's Supplies.

Proper thrower, solid and well made, easy to use, costs less than a box of shells+clays.

[SMOKEU]

Anyone here been shotgunning at the NZHA range in McLeans Island? I see here (http://www.nzha.co.nz/?page_id=67) they have public nights every Tuesday for an entry fee + $3 per round. Does anyone know if the $3 per round includes the clays?

[Indiana_Jones]

$3 a round? Jesus that'd get expensive!

-Indy

[scumdog]

$3 a round? Jesus that'd get expensive!

-Indy

Knowing SMOKEU he was wanting special 'darkie-duster' shells...:pinch:

[carburator]

150 clays $45
250 clay rounds $110

can't be assed doing the maths..

[SMOKEU]

Knowing SMOKEU he was wanting special 'darkie-duster' shells...:pinch:

I usually go for #7 or #7.5 for clays. No need for anything bigger than that.

[Swoop]

Bye bye Hi-Power.
Great service for a lot of years. The main issue was the barrel underlink shearing off (very rarely).


11 February, 2013: After more than three years of complaints from troops in Afghanistan, the British government has agreed to replace the elderly Browning L9A7 9mm pistol with the Glock 17. The army has placed an order for 25,000 Glock 17s, at a cost of $538 each. The procurement process took two years.

The Glock 17 was designed by Gaston Glock 30 years ago and has become enormously popular with policemen. Some armed forces use it, like Austria and Norway. There are over twenty variants, usually having to do with calibre.

The American FBI, for instance, uses the 10.2mm .40 calibre). The Glock has a plastic (polymer) frame and can be safely carried in the holster loaded and ready to fire. All one has to do is aim and pull the trigger. The Glock magazine carries 17 rounds, compared to 13 in the Browning (which was a big jump over six rounds revolvers held). These characteristics have proved enormously popular with police, who are often called on to use their pistol with no warning. Troops in Afghanistan have encountered similar situations.

For British troops another advantage is weight. A loaded Glock weighs 860 gr (1.88 pounds), which is 20 per cent less than the Browning.
The Glock is a simple pistol and very reliable. The manufacturer has subjected the pistols to very extreme environmental tests and tweaked the pistol design to ensure that a Glock would always fire. Over 2.5 million Glocks have been manufactured in the last three decades, meaning that spare parts and servicing are easy to find.

The Glock 17 is replacing the 9mm Browning Hi-Power automatic, whose British military designation is the L9A1 and has been the standard issue sidearm since 1954. Back then it replaced the .38 calibre (9.1mm) Enfield revolver. Even this elderly pistol can still be found in service, as a personal (not army issue) weapon. However, British World War II commandos pioneered the use of the 9mm Hi-Power, and that played a major role in that weapon replacing the Enfield revolver throughout the army. The Hi-Power was designed by John Browning, who also created the M1911 .45 calibre pistol. The two pistols share many design features and characteristics.

For several decades the Hi-Power continued to perform well for both commandos and the rest of the army. But by the 1980s the Hi-Power was a dated design, something that was made very clear with the appearance of the Glock. The Hi-Power is still produced, by Browning in the U.S. and Fabrique Nationale in Europe. Despite being over 70 years old it is not considered obsolete, just not as evolved as weapons like the Glock.
Then neither is the century old American 1911A1 .45 calibre pistol. The problem for the British Army was that most of the Hi-Powers in service were older than the men who using them. These pistols are often 20 or 30 years and the army leadership never gave much through to updating them or bringing in more modern design. This led to many combat officers buying a pistol (often a Glock) with their own money.

British commandos took matters into their own hands and adopted the 964 gr (2.13 pounds) Sig-Sauer P226 9mm as their standard pistol, as well as a smaller pistol for undercover operations. The U.S. Navy SEALs also chose this pistol, as did many other special operations forces. While the Glock is a favourite for regular army troops, the P226 is a bit more compatible with commando type operations.

[The Pastor]

Anyone here been shotgunning at the NZHA range in McLeans Island? I see here (http://www.nzha.co.nz/?page_id=67) they have public nights every Tuesday for an entry fee + $3 per round. Does anyone know if the $3 per round includes the clays?

Range Fees: members of the public are required to pay a range fee of $15.00 for the use of each range. In the case of the shotgun range they will have to pay an additional $3.00 per round of clays.

[SMOKEU]

In the case of the shotgun range they will have to pay an additional $3.00 per round of clays.

Yes, but do you know if that actually includes the clays + use of the throwers?

[Wingnut]

Thought I'd ask around here as well as trolling through trade me but I am after a bolt action .22 magnum if any knew of or had one for sale.

Cheers Fellas...

[Akzle]

Yes, but do you know if that actually includes the clays + use of the throwers?
i think it's "a round of clays"? so 3$ is your DTL or traps (2x10clays?) 15$ entry + ammo:
my local gunclubs charge about 25$ for 25 shells all inclusive. think range fee is 10 and ammo is 10.
but it's horrible fucking ammo up whatatiri


Thought I'd ask around here as well as trolling through trade me but I am after a bolt action .22 magnum if any knew of or had one for sale.

Cheers Fellas...
i got a single shot with no rails that i was going to rechamber in .22mag... five bucks and a bag of chips... (and swap for another .22LR)

otherwise, good ol fucken trademe bro. there's shit on there all the time.

[doc]

Anyone got any experience and advice about these handheld GPS things ?

Myself and Goblin are considering supplementing the cupboard with the local produce around Vegas.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Got a Garmin GPS. They are good but you still need a map. Useful for noting 'hot spots' when your hunting. Overall I'm happy with mine.

[Swoop]

12 March, 2013: For the last seven years the U.S. Army has been trying to replace its standard 9mm pistol (the M9). This is all the result of numerous and continuous complaints from troops, who have found that combat in Iraq and Afghanistan provides lots of situations where the pistol is a crucial weapon.

The current American Army pistol has been found wanting. The list of complaints is long. A big one is the dust and sand so common in Iraq and Afghanistan, which leads to magazine jams. That was partially fixed with a new magazine, but there were a lot of other problems that required a new pistol. The dust and sand tended to get into the loading mechanism because of the open-slide design. Other complaints included the lack of a rail on top for accessories, or threads so that a silencer can be screwed in.

Then there is the poor placement of the safety catch, the inability to adjust the hand grip to fit many different hand sizes and the difficulty users have in quickly replacing components in the field. The army is holding a competition for a new pistol, a process that is supposed to be completed in two years. Meanwhile the army is ordering new M9s to replace those bought in the 1980s that are dying of old age and lots of combat.

Army leadership has long resisted calls for a new pistol and ignored the different combat situations in Iraq and Afghanistan that were behind these pleas. There was just this mind-set that pistols were not that important.

Britain had a similar problem and recently adopted the Glock 17. This weapon is typical of the more modern designs the troops want. The Glock has long been very popular pistol with police and military users and one of many new models that have the new features the troops want.

The Glock 17 was designed by Gaston Glock 30 years ago and initially became enormously popular with policemen. Some armed forces use it, like Austria and Norway. There are over twenty variants, usually having to do with calibre. The American FBI, for instance, uses the 10.2mm (.40 calibre).

The Glock has a plastic (polymer) frame and can be safely carried in the holster, loaded and ready to fire. All one has to do is aim and pull the trigger. The Glock magazine carries 17 rounds compared to 15 in the M9. All these characteristics have proved enormously popular with police, who are often called on to use their pistol with no warning. In Iraq and Afghanistan troops often find themselves operating like SWAT teams and that made other pistols like the Glock appear so superior to the M9. Many troops would buy another pistol with their own money, a trend which has embarrassed the army leadership.

The Glock is a simple pistol and very reliable. The manufacturer has subjected the pistols to very extreme environmental tests and tweaked the pistol design to ensure that a Glock would always fire. Over 2.5 million Glocks have been manufactured in the last three decades, meaning that spare parts and servicing are easy to find.

There is also demand for a larger calibre round.
SOCOM (Special Operations Command) has ordered several larger calibre pistols for their troops over the last decade. Last year the U.S. Marine Corps ordered 12,000 .45 (11.4mm) caliber pistols (at $1,900 each) for its SOCOM and recon troops. Many troops want the old M1911 .45 calibre ACP pistol back. The M1911 was replaced by the M9 in the 1980s.

The M1911 is a 1.2 kg (2.45 pound) 210mm (8.25 inch) long weapon with a 127mm (5 inch) barrel and a 7 round magazine. Compared to the M9 9mm pistol the .45s have more hitting power, while the M9 is a bit more accurate at up to about 50 meters.

The new Marine .45s are not the old M1911A1 model but the more modern Colt CQBP (Close Quarter Battle Pistol), which uses the same ammo as the M1911A1 but has a number of improvements that make the weapon more reliable, flexible, and accurate. The CQBP holds eight rounds, is built to resist salt water corrosion, accept rail mounted accessories, and so on.

There are several improved .45s available because of demand from police departments and government agencies (like the FBI). In the 1990s SOCOM adopted the Heckler and Koch Mk 23 SOCOM model. This is a 1.47 kg (3.2 pound) .45 pistol with a 12-round magazine and the ability to carry a silencer.
It is expensive, at $2,400 each. Loaded with a silencer and laser aiming device the Mk23 weighs 2.29 kg (5 pounds). The Mk23 is a precision weapon, capable of accurate fire at 50 meters (51mm/two inch shot groups).

The Mk 23 is for offensive operations while the lighter and cheaper USP Tactical model was later introduced for personal protection and other duties not requiring the heavier Mk 23.
Over the last decade American troops in Iraq and Afghanistan discovered, through combat experience, what types of weapons worked best at close range to take down the enemy. It was the same with SWAT teams and commandos all over the world.

When conducting a raid and finding yourself up close and personal with someone trying to kill you, there is a need for a heavy calibre pistol or a shotgun (firing 00 shot or slugs). The premier pistol for ensuring you take down someone is still the .45 calibre (11.4mm) or .40 calibre (10mm, but only with a heavy bullet) pistols. These weapons are light and handy, compared to assault rifles or shotguns, and have a long history of quickly taking down an armed and determined foe.

As the U.S. Army Special Forces discovered, if you are well trained and know what you are doing, you should carry a pistol, in addition to your rifle. But not the official issue (since 1985) M9, but something with a bit more stopping power. The Special Forces prefer new model .45 calibre pistols, although 10mm weapons are also popular. The reason for this is that you are most likely to be using the pistol indoors, where your target is going to be really close. You want to knock him down quickly, before he can get at you with a knife or even his hands. Many troops are getting their own pistols and most commanders have been lenient on this issue. The same applies to shotguns. Although the army and marines have bought a lot of them (the Benelli M4 Combat Shotgun is a particular favourite), there never seem to be enough of them for some units (that spend a lot of time raiding buildings in hostile neighbourhoods).

The U.S. military adopted the 9mm pistol in 1985, largely to standardize ammunition. All other NATO states used 9mm for pistols. The U.S. also noted that most 9mm pistols were carried by officers and support personnel, who rarely used them in combat.
SOCOM came into being a few years later and immediately began planning to bring back .45 pistols. Actually, many Special Forces and SEAL operators never gave up using the .45, as it was the ideal pistol for many commando operations.

[nseagoon]

a 9mm is definitely a good pistol to have and as pointed out because it is standardised parts and ammo are cheap and available.
however I wouldn't say glock is the answer. while it advertises "safe action" the only thing that can decide between safe and unsafe should be the person behind the firearm.
and other firearms have their place. Sig Sauer and CZ have made good names for themselves both in sporting and military markets.

.45 wouldn't be ideal even though it is standardised due to low magazine capacity and if you went for a double stack mag you then are carrying more weight. That's one of the reasons everyone went to 5.56 and dropped 7.62. it's that much heavier and bulkier.
maybe 10mm or .40 cal might be the good middle ground but that won't be happening in the near future. it's the same as all western militarys are going to go to a type of 6mm rifle round but can't due to the amount of deployments and current arms and ammo in circulation.

but as I said, plastic fantastic clocks ain't no answer

[scumdog]

a 9mm is definitely a good pistol to have and as pointed out because it is standardised parts and ammo are cheap and available.
however I wouldn't say glock is the answer. while it advertises "safe action" the only thing that can decide between safe and unsafe should be the person behind the firearm.


I like the Glock (any calibre) since once loaded you just need to point and pull,

No safety, no external hammer, no grip safety.

And 9mm is kinda OK - fire a shot and the target doesn't do as you want? Then there's another 16 rounds to go...

[nseagoon]

I like the Glock (any calibre) since once loaded you just need to point and pull,

No safety, no external hammer, no grip safety.

And 9mm is kinda OK - fire a shot and the target doesn't do as you want? Then there's another 16 rounds to go...

they same as many handguns. don't get me wrong. they are good for the price. and they are point and shoot. however I never use the safety on a handgun and then worse case scenario you are shooting the first shot double action then the rest are single action.

the difference with glocks is only a procedural one. the Sig in the NZ military doesn't have a safety and it's used with the decocker. just means that if you mean to kill someone you will use double the trigger pressure for the first shot. no less reliable than a glock though.

I've seen glock stoppages countless times (also beretta and cz) and I've seen them cook off in intense testing and the top slide break off one and damage to more than one within only 1000 rounds in its life. although I think I've just happened to see the lemons of a good bunch, I still wouldn't call them the answer.

[Swoop]

That's one of the reasons everyone went to 5.56 and dropped 7.62

We are going back to 7.62. The new SAW is that calibre.

Have seen the results of a Glock blowing up. Very unusual, but it can happen.

[nseagoon]

We are going back to 7.62. The new SAW is that calibre.

Have seen the results of a Glock blowing up. Very unusual, but it can happen.

the SAW is going to 7.62, not the IW.
not everyone is carrying a minimi so only fatty has to carry the 7.62.

if there is a future change for the IW it won't be back to 7.62, it'll be some american developed 6mm round. in between the two.
the right balance between weight and power. probably on an AR based platform too.
everyone is just waiting for the US to wind up internationally and minimise their troops overseas is my guess

[leathel]

Anyone got any experience and advice about these handheld GPS things ?

Myself and Goblin are considering supplementing the cupboard with the local produce around Vegas.

I have had a few different ones for hunting, Maps are a must have as it makes it so much easier to find the best way (can see the bluffs etc)

had garmin's, etrex mapped, 62s, now have the rihno :)

Went aftermarket topo maps so I can load it to all my gps's without getting new numbers of Garmin like I have to with my marine maps..

Latest GPS I have got is the Zumo for the bike :D

[Flip]

I was issued with a SLR, loved the old thing. Qualified on the my first range day. My brother who was about 20kg lighter than me hated the SLR, but loved his steyr and went to represent the NZ army in shooting competitions.

As far as the 9/45 argument goes I know what I would want to have. The old 1911's do go off with a wallop.

I finally got my Excell Arms 17 hmr Accelerator rifle back from the gun smith, sighted it in yesterday at work so we are all ready for the Easter Bunny Hunt. I broke a firing pin and the rifle had a life time warranty which wasn't worth used toilet paper. Anybody going to the EBH? I am in Team Bastard.

[Flip]

Had a great easter bunnt hunt. Mostly used my Saiga shot gun.

Broke a front axle on the landy pulling a trailer full of bunnies up a steep farm track.

[caseye]

glad to hear you only broke a Landy axle, some poor dolt shot himself with a shotty down there.First time for the EBH.
Double last years tally too, seems more possies and rabbit that ever. More shooters, bigger bounties.
The EBH is an event I'd like to get to before it's topped for "safety reasons"

[Flip]

Well we always have space for another shooter.

Get in contact about 6 weeks before easter next year. The cheapest way would be to fly into Chch and get a ride down with a team Bastard member. Just bring a pack and a shot gun (best tool for the job), get a slab of ammo at the event and otherwise travel light. We always bring far too much stuff anyway.

[Juniper]

Whoo hoo now I am in my happy place! :ar15:

[jono035]

Wow, a month between posts... It's getting quiet in here...

What is everyone up to?

I've been taking a crack at shooting some IPSC. Bought myself a Glock 17, holster etc.

Now looks like I might need to up my reloading capacity so looking at a XL650 with casefeeder etc.

Funny how things get out of hand...

[Juniper]

Wow, a month between posts... It's getting quiet in here...

What is everyone up to?

I've been taking a crack at shooting some IPSC. Bought myself a Glock 17, holster etc.

Now looks like I might need to up my reloading capacity so looking at a XL650 with casefeeder etc.

Funny how things get out of hand...

You shoot in Auckland?

I'm going to be finishing some induction training soon and then want to really train in ISSF and IPSC. Kinda eyeing up NRA too, but it would be kinda wankish to become a pro in all 3 :bleh:

[jono035]

You shoot in Auckland?

I'm going to be finishing some induction training soon and then want to really train in ISSF and IPSC. Kinda eyeing up NRA too, but it would be kinda wankish to become a pro in all 3 :bleh:

Yeah, used to shoot at Central Shooters but have been slightly homeless and vagrant with my shooting for a while.

Have shot a couple of times at Warkworth and a couple of Howick recently.

I don't really know anyone who shoots across multiple disciplines like that, so I'd say try all of them and focus on one. It seems like a lot of the clubs that have both smallbore target and largebore action shooters end up with factions that don't get along, as well, so it all seems a little crazy to me.

Where are you doing this induction training?

[Juniper]

Yeah, used to shoot at Central Shooters but have been slightly homeless and vagrant with my shooting for a while.

Have shot a couple of times at Warkworth and a couple of Howick recently.

I don't really know anyone who shoots across multiple disciplines like that, so I'd say try all of them and focus on one. It seems like a lot of the clubs that have both smallbore target and largebore action shooters end up with factions that don't get along, as well, so it all seems a little crazy to me.

Where are you doing this induction training?

Join the club with being homeless CSI :brick:

I'm now at APC and loving it.

I don't do politics, I'm an adult.

Been shooting a while so I'm sure on ISSF, IPSC or NRA will be my play time.

[Katman]

Having read the article linked below I'm interested to know what firearms enthusiasts here think of America's gun laws.

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/five-year-old-kills-little-sister-birthday-gun-5424798

My apologies if the topic has been discussed in this thread already - I'm not going to wade through seven and a half thousand posts to find out.

[Juniper]

Having read the article linked below I'm interested to know what firearms enthusiasts here think of America's gun laws.

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/five-year-old-kills-little-sister-birthday-gun-5424798

My apologies if the topic has been discussed in this thread already - I'm not going to wade through seven and a half thousand posts to find out.

Who the FUCK gives a 4-5and 6 year old child a firearm and leaves it unattended. The parents should be done for manslaughter.

There is American and then there is blatent stupidity.

Also the article said that the child was given a .22 rifle, yet the child died of a shotgun wound.

I have been shooting since I was 8, in a controlled and educating environment. And have never been allowed to be in any situtation where I was a risk to myself or others.

The Americans will never give up their right to carry for defence, but education should be a massive factor taken into account with any permit given or law change considered.

[Juniper]

Yeah ok, so some things just rub my fur up the wrong way.

[leathel]

yup some stupid people out there, Education is needed for many.

Some just have no respect for rifles, or guns in general, Yanks have some pretty stupid things posted on youtube but even in NZ a lot of the deaths have been from blatant stupidity, night shooting and drinking is still thought of as acceptable by some...plain Stupid in my veiw

So many people are new to the sport of hunting/ Target shooting etc and they haven't had it drumbed in to them from day one like I had but then some have been brought up with parents disregarding all the basic safety rules to so growing up around guns doesn't mean you will be safe too

[jono035]

Having read the article linked below I'm interested to know what firearms enthusiasts here think of America's gun laws.

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/five-year-old-kills-little-sister-birthday-gun-5424798

My apologies if the topic has been discussed in this thread already - I'm not going to wade through seven and a half thousand posts to find out.

That's a horrible situation, to be sure.

There are many points in the chain where this went wrong. Obviously when something like this happens it seems to be the go-to thing to blame the parents, but there's definitely some truth in that attitude.

"White said the rifle was kept in a corner in the house in Burkesville, southern Kentucky, and the family did not realise a bullet had been left inside it."

Keeping a firearm unsecured is a bad idea, especially with kids in the house. Knowingly allowing the kids to have unsupervised access to the firearm is worse. Having a firearm left unattended in a ready to fire state is criminally negligent, in my mind. The US gets a lot of things right with regards to firearms law as far as I'm concerned, but situations like this do point to a distinct attitude problem. A lot of it is simply habit, as well... The only guns that I keep in a 'just add ammo' state are in my safe, all the others are locked in racks with bolts removed etc. Ammo is kept in a locked cabinet (hot water cupboard, funnily enough) on a separate key to the guns.

I don't see it as any different to leaving knives, power tools etc. out, allowing your kids to play near a busy road or leaving the keys in the ignition and letting the kids play in the car. All of these things have resulted in the same outcome.

Juniper: I don't see any mention in that article of a shotgun wound?

[jono035]

yup some stupid people out there, Education is needed for many.

Some just have no respect for rifles, or guns in general, Yanks have some pretty stupid things posted on youtube but even in NZ a lot of the deaths have been from blatant stupidity, night shooting and drinking is still thought of as acceptable by some...plain Stupid in my veiw

So many people are new to the sport of hunting/ Target shooting etc and they haven't had it drumbed in to them from day one like I had but then some have been brought up with parents disregarding all the basic safety rules to so growing up around guns doesn't mean you will be safe too

That's a good point about 'growing up around guns', actually. The entire reason I'd consider myself a safe shooter is that my dad taught me to use an air rifle and then a .22 rifle at a young age, and made sure that I understood that a gun was never to be pointed at anyone, even in jest, even if unloaded, even if I was only playing with an old rusty shotgun barrel with no action. Also to never put a rifle down or hand it to someone else unless you had the bolt open and had LOOKED to make sure there was nothing in there.

The most dangerous people are those, of any age, who are new to shooting. It's all too easy for someone to have a momentary lapse and accidentally swing the muzzle around until it is pointing in an unsafe direction. The key is making sure that those habits are ingrained as soon as possible so that you can't end up in a situation where that happens without alarm bells going off. Every time I've seen it happen, every shooter who sees it reacts instantly, the neural pathways are just that strong.

I guess there are a lot of similarities with motorbikes... There are old shooters and there are stupid shooters, but there are a hell of a lot less old stupid shooters...

[Juniper]

Ammo is kept in a locked cabinet (hot water cupboard, funnily enough) on a separate key to the guns.

Juniper: I don't see any mention in that article of a shotgun wound?

Don't you find that the moisture messes up your rounds?


They must have just edited it. I reread it several times thinking it must have been a typo..... yep just checked theres an updated stamp of 13:52
Hehe I'm an administrator by trade, fact checking and proofing is part of the package :P

[caseye]

Um what moisture?
If there's moisture in your hot water cupboard then you have a leaky hot water cylinder.
Firearms safety has to be paramount, kids using guns, no big deal, under adequate supervision.
Almost every home in Switzerland and Israel, for instance have a fully operational semi automatic, or full auto capable military rifle stashed behind the front door, sometimes a person goes nuts and takes one of these to harm others, but in general the availability isn't an issue cause everyone in that household is either a serving member of a defence force or and ex member of same and any and all children are taught to leave things alone.
Our own laws regarding storage of guns and ammunition are more than adequate to make sure that this sort of accidental death happens very rarely if at all.
Butt, you can't stop Darwiniansim happening all of the time so I guess that as now some poor innocent child dies because some lazy sloth like fat arsed yank can't be bothered rounding up all of the firearms and putting them out of harms way, naturally after making sure they're all empty and quite safe first.

[jono035]

Don't you find that the moisture messes up your rounds?


They must have just edited it. I reread it several times thinking it must have been a typo..... yep just checked theres an updated stamp of 13:52
Hehe I'm an administrator by trade, fact checking and proofing is part of the package :P

Yeah, the hot water cylinder cupboard should be the driest part of the house or you have serious problems...

To be honest, I wish I'd put the safe in there... A couple of my guns had corrosion on the frames after my garage flooded...

Edit: Actually, there a few companies that make driers for gun safes etc. but they're basically 40W heater elements...

[leathel]

Yeah, the hot water cylinder cupboard should be the driest part of the house or you have serious problems...

To be honest, I wish I'd put the safe in there... A couple of my guns had corrosion on the frames after my garage flooded...

I have a heat bar in my safe , great things to get rid of moisture :msn-wink:

I have something similar to this

http://www.brettpro.co.nz/

[jono035]

I have a heat bar in my safe , great things to get rid of moisture :msn-wink:

Yeah, I looked at those things and thought '$100 a year of power to run that thing? Screw that!'... More fool me, I guess...

[Akzle]

Having read the article linked below I'm interested to know what firearms enthusiasts here think of America's gun laws.

fucking ace, for a country that wont import kinder suprises because they're a choking hazard and dangerous for kids...:no:

[Swoop]

Actually, there a few companies that make driers for gun safes etc. but they're basically 40W heater elements...
Screw that.

Just put in a light fitting (bayonet type) and throw in a 20w lightbulb. Piss easy and the bulbs can be picked up at an electrical wholesalers for next to nothing (just buy a pack of 10).

I have to replace a bulb every 2-3 years.

[jono035]

Screw that.

Just put in a light fitting (bayonet type) and throw in a 20w lightbulb. Piss easy and the bulbs can be picked up at an electrical wholesalers for next to nothing (just buy a pack of 10).

I have to replace a bulb every 2-3 years.

Yeah, I agree that's probably a better way to do it but in my case, that would literally mean that I'd need to a) sell a pistol or b) buy a new safe! It's literally like a game of freakin tetris in there at the moment...

I guess the side effect is that it gets you a lit safe, too!

I might do it once I finally get around to sorting out the E-cat...

[Juniper]

Yeah, the hot water cylinder cupboard should be the driest part of the house or you have serious problems...

To be honest, I wish I'd put the safe in there... A couple of my guns had corrosion on the frames after my garage flooded...

Edit: Actually, there a few companies that make driers for gun safes etc. but they're basically 40W heater elements...

*runs to hot water cupboard*

humpth, it feels humid to me.

[jono035]

*runs to hot water cupboard*

humpth, it feels humid to me.

That's not good. Probably a leaking pressure regulator or something.

Basically, it should be slightly warmer than everywhere else and everything should be sealed enough that it's completely dry... The joys of crappy rental housing, I guess?

Either way, plenty of space for a couple of ammo cans with spare reloading components in there and a few bricks of various ammo types etc.

[Juniper]

Yeah, I agree that's probably a better way to do it but in my case, that would literally mean that I'd need to a) sell a pistol or b) buy a new safe! It's literally like a game of freakin tetris in there at the moment...

I guess the side effect is that it gets you a lit safe, too!

I might do it once I finally get around to sorting out the E-cat...

You got your B without getting your E at the same time?? Why?


tetris......ooo can we be friends lol. :drool:

As soon as I find somewhere (not my Flat) to put a safe it will be the B,C and E.





That's not good. Probably a leaking pressure regulator or something.

Basically, it should be slightly warmer than everywhere else and everything should be sealed enough that it's completely dry... The joys of crappy rental housing, I guess?

Either way, plenty of space for a couple of ammo cans with spare reloading components in there and a few bricks of various ammo types etc........... :drool:


Its not THAT crappy.

[jono035]

You got your B without getting your E at the same time?? Why?


tetris......ooo can we be friends lol. :drool:

As soon as I find somewhere (not my Flat) to put a safe it will be the B,C and E.

.......... :drool:

Its not THAT crappy.

Not that crappy? Sounds like you're about to start growing mushrooms in your hot water cylinder cupboard...

Got my B on it's own because I didn't want the hassle of the bigger safe. Now that I've got my own place I'll probably get it sorted out at some point soon. I've completely run out of space in the wall racks, too, so it'll probably be right around the time that I find a new toy to buy...

The tetris situation isn't that impressive, it's a pretty small safe!

[Juniper]

Not that crappy? Sounds like you're about to start growing mushrooms in your hot water cylinder cupboard...

Got my B on it's own because I didn't want the hassle of the bigger safe. Now that I've got my own place I'll probably get it sorted out at some point soon. I've completely run out of space in the wall racks, too, so it'll probably be right around the time that I find a new toy to buy...

The tetris situation isn't that impressive, it's a pretty small safe!

Awwww don't dash my dreams.


Everything feels muggy to me, I was made for hot and dry. Flatmate just looked and told me to put the cider down :confused:

I have absolutely no inclination to shoot rifle so my safe is really only for my ammo and passport.

[jono035]

Awwww don't dash my dreams.


Everything feels muggy to me, I was made for hot and dry. Flatmate just looked and told me to put the cider down :confused:

I have absolutely no inclination to shoot rifle so my safe is really only for my ammo and passport.

Have you got your A yet? If not then you'll need to have some form of rifle storage at least. I guess depending on who the AO is out there, a sturdy chain around something might be enough...

Speaking of cider I just finished a Rekorderlig Orangeand Ginger one... Really. Really. Weird.

[Juniper]

Have you got your A yet? If not then you'll need to have some form of rifle storage at least. I guess depending on who the AO is out there, a sturdy chain around something might be enough...

Speaking of cider I just finished a Rekorderlig Orangeand Ginger one... Really. Really. Weird.

Of course I've got my A. *fluffs tail*

Nah when he came he failed me the first time as the big safe was only bolted to the floor and he could wobble it. So I had to bolt it to the wall and so that he couldn't get his fingers around it.

Oooooo I had the elderflower one last night, very nommy. For the price though my day-to-day is Isaac Pear.

[Winston001]

Having read the article linked below I'm interested to know what firearms enthusiasts here think of America's gun laws.

http://tvnz.co.nz/world-news/five-year-old-kills-little-sister-birthday-gun-5424798

My apologies if the topic has been discussed in this thread already - I'm not going to wade through seven and a half thousand posts to find out.

Yeah good point. There are thousands of posts on American forums about their gun laws and you'll never find one simple answer.

Here's the thing: the constitution of the United States guarantees the right for citizens to carry arms. That is interpreted today 300 years later to mean a "man" can hold an M16 or a Mach 10 or a shottie and blast away at anything he thinks is a threat. And if it happens to be school children then he's made a mistake but the other 339 million people can carry on to fire at will.

[jono035]

Yeah good point. There are thousands of posts on American forums about their gun laws and you'll never find one simple answer.

Here's the thing: the constitution of the United States guarantees the right for citizens to carry arms. That is interpreted today 300 years later to mean a "man" can hold an M16 or a Mach 10 or a shottie and blast away at anything he thinks is a threat. And if it happens to be school children then he's made a mistake but the other 339 million people can carry on to fire at will.

Well I think your somewhat valid point is masked by the emotive rhetoric used. Also, from my admittedly limited understanding of the situation, the 2nd amendment is not interpreted to mean he can "blast away at anything he thinks is a threat". There are plenty of laws surrounding what is acceptable use of force (no matter the means) in defense of ones person and property. I don't recall anywhere seeing people describe shooting school children as simply making a mistake...

In this situation, a parent left a child alone with a dangerous item and it turned out for the worst. Anyone looking to blame this on the presence of the firearm is simply pushing their own agenda. The same thing happens far more often with kids left unsupervised around vehicles, tools, sharp objects and fire lighters.

Surely we're beyond blaming the tool for how it is used? People don't suggest that matches are to blame for the hundreds of fatalities a year caused by unsupervised children starting fires.

[leathel]

Yeah, I looked at those things and thought '$100 a year of power to run that thing? Screw that!'... More fool me, I guess...

the one I have is 10 watt and set on a timer, Winter I have it running longer summer not so long, if its been humid and damp conditions full on

Change 1 light bulb in the house to an energy saving bulb and the power is covered :P

A bit of cost on power sure saves in time keeping rifles oiled :D

[Juniper]

Phiffy rifles lol.

Anyone coming to APC today?

[Swoop]

Don't you just fekking love it when you discover another individual who is on the same wavelength as yourself guns-wise?

Then, he says "this is xyz, and he's also a shooter". You sit down for a quick chat and flamin' ages have gone by!

[Juniper]

Don't you just fekking love it when you discover another individual who is on the same wavelength as yourself guns-wise?

Then, he says "this is xyz, and he's also a shooter". You sit down for a quick chat and flamin' ages have gone by!

Yep!

I was stoked to find a lot of shooters ride bikes too!

[Juniper]

Anyone been enjoying the nice weather with a spot of hunting or a day at the range?

[jono035]

Struck out pretty bad weekend before last. Was too wet to bother with the deerstalkers range and the Howick pistol club got locked out of the range by the Howick rifle club. Annoying, but hilarious. I'm always amazed how we shooters seem to be our own worst enemies in this regard.

Trying again this weekend, though. Warkworth for some IPSC shooting on Saturday, Howick Tuesday/Sunday for holster training, hopefully!

Did you end up heading out to APC?

[Juniper]

Struck out pretty bad weekend before last. Was too wet to bother with the deerstalkers range and the Howick pistol club got locked out of the range by the Howick rifle club. Annoying, but hilarious. I'm always amazed how we shooters seem to be our own worst enemies in this regard.

Trying again this weekend, though. Warkworth for some IPSC shooting on Saturday, Howick Tuesday/Sunday for holster training, hopefully!

Did you end up heading out to APC?

Yep been out there every Saturday since.
Good thing about APC is that you won't get locked out. And I haven't noticed any bitching yet. The training crew are really laid back and are there to get you proficient in each of the categories to go do them safely.

The guys were doing the holster course at APC the week before last , looked fun.
I hit my personal best last week!!!!

[gijoe1313]

Finally managed to get into Wiri Station road to do my Mountain Firearms safety course, sat through the little presentation and watched the video. Out comes the Y test form and voila, little green card to the Botany postie shop and just need to drop the form with receipt and passport photo to the police station!

Now to find a firearms safe to ensure that legal and safe storage of firearms! About bleeding time, been years in the planning! :pinch:

(just hope my dear wifey doesn't drop me in the poo hole when it comes to the interview bit! :innocent:)

[leathel]

congratulations :)

Let the good times begin :)

[Juniper]

Finally managed to get into Wiri Station road to do my Mountain Firearms safety course, sat through the little presentation and watched the video. Out comes the Y test form and voila, little green card to the Botany postie shop and just need to drop the form with receipt and passport photo to the police station!

Now to find a firearms safe to ensure that legal and safe storage of firearms! About bleeding time, been years in the planning! :pinch:

(just hope my dear wifey doesn't drop me in the poo hole when it comes to the interview bit! :innocent:)

Which categories are you going for? Trademe do good el-cheap-o's.

People at the clubs are usually pretty good.

The biggest question they ask partners is "do you know where hey keys for the safe are?" Or "Could you open the safe for me please" TRICK QUESTIONS lol. Don't fall for them!

[nseagoon]

One possible interim measure if you just have A category is a chain around a roof support and through the trigger guards in the attic, also some can put a chain around the hot water cylinder.

If you're going for endorsed safes I'd suggest a 6mm certified rifle safe even if you're getting pistol only. All safes are deceptively small, if you have a few toys you'll know what I'm talking about haha. Also if you are getting endorsements get them all at once because it's only the one charge of $200.

A paintball shop in Albany sells the cheapest endorsed safes I've seen

[carburator]

the paintball shop has the cheapest safes in town, mind you give them a call to see what they have in stock
before driving. they are well made, multi bolt around the doors, with a decent powder coat finish.

GC's ones are tinny and honestly open with a crowbar..

[Juniper]

Hehe trademe for me.

[gijoe1313]

Thanks for the advice, especially the bit concerning the wifey's interview time! :sweatdrop

[bobsmith]

Re: trick questions for partners.

Much better to just get licenses for your partner as well! That way they can't trick you into that. Besides heading out to the range every sunday to run around shooting pistols is what I call quality relationship building time. :2thumbsup

[edit] I also endorse getting as large a safe as you can then getting a slightly bigger one. Got an ecat 12 gun safe when I started out thinking that I'll never use all that space but it's looking a bit tight in there now....

[Indiana_Jones]

Well with my move down south I might actually get more of a chance to take my guns out.

-Indy

[Juniper]

Well with my move down south I might actually get more of a chance to take my guns out.

-Indy

South Island or South Auckland......... :p

[Indiana_Jones]

South Island or South Auckland......... :p

Island lol

-Indy

[gijoe1313]

Well, had the ol'interview inspector come over to my casa yesternight. My mate DONOR also appeared since the inspector wanted to line his ducks up in a row! :sweatdrop

Ken turned out to be an eminently affable ol'chap. He went through the process with my mate and then my missus. Finally to me he asks the usual questions and we nattered on about other things like sealing wax and kings. Pretty clever way to dis-arm you to let your guard down so you can harp on about things like wanting firearms to repel zombie invasions and pop that dang dog who poos on your lawn! :msn-wink:

But, all good, my Cat-A safe passed muster and now just have to wait for the verification process from Wallywood. Apparently this was a good time to apply since there was a massive backlog earlier due to every hunter-wannabe wanting it before the muster season etc.

Now, time to look at various long arms to covet and plan my future purchase(s) :innocent:

[jono035]

Nice, congrats!

If you can swing it, another AR-15 out in the wild never hurts :yes:

[Juniper]

Lucky all 3 in 1 go. Took me freaking ages to get mine done.

So you going for your B as soon as you can?

[nseagoon]

+1 for getting an ar15.
I don't have one, but I've bought a progressive press for all my calibres so until I manage to convince the accountant I don't see any new toys in the future especially if it means I'll have to buy even more reloading gear.

[leathel]

AR's are fun...easy clean and accurate, what more can you ask for :)

But then I love the bolts actions and other firearms I have too :P

[gijoe1313]

Well in the mail I received a nice pressie, got the little plastic card that says I can go and buy firearms, ammo and other assorted gear! I guess that means I can go and fire off some rounds in a nice, safe and controlled manner. :yes:

[Scuba_Steve]

Well in the mail I received a nice pressie, got the little plastic card that says I can go and buy firearms, ammo and other assorted gear! I guess that means I can go and fire off some rounds in a nice, safe and controlled manner. :yes:

:shit: Wait you need plastic card for that??? Dave just sells me AK's out the back of his Holden, no plastic required, cash only

[Swoop]

I noted the other day, that Gun City is moving premises to 706 Gt South Rd. This is the old bike shop that closed down a little while back (Haldanes?)

A good little cluster of shooting shops in the same area, SAI, Serious Rooters and Goon City! :banana:

[leathel]

I noted the other day, that Gun City is moving premises to 706 Gt South Rd. This is the old bike shop that closed down a little while back (Haldanes?)

A good little cluster of shooting shops in the same area, SAI, Serious Rooters and Goon City! :banana:

I hope they make the new shop more secure.....

[Road kill]

Some people knock GC a bit but I've bought a couple of rifles off them and I've always gotten very good service from them.

Will be good to see them back in my neck of the woods.

[leathel]

Some people knock GC a bit but I've bought a couple of rifles off them and I've always gotten very good service from them.

Will be good to see them back in my neck of the woods.

My comment was solely to do with the 25 guns stolen and no video surveillance and pretty shabby locks and storage compared to most....

I generally don't shop in the bigger cities so never been in a gun city.... but I have been to SAI and serious shooters... so more competition in the area can only be a good thing :D

[Dean]

WTB centrefire/rimfire, basic 22 single. Need an entry level. Pm please

[Swoop]

Some people knock GC a bit but I've bought a couple of rifles off them and I've always gotten very good service from them.
They certainly provide a service, however their prices are quite steep and they have an "issue" regarding North Islanders purchasing desired items...

[jono035]

Yeah, Gun City is fine providing you keep a careful eye out and make sure you're getting a decent deal...

I do draw issue with their suppressors... As I understand it, they're basically cheap imports designed to look like Gunworks suppressors. I had an entire custom job done for a similar price to their standard over-barrel suppressors which was an eye-opener.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

I do draw issue with their suppressors... As I understand it, they're basically cheap imports designed to look like Gunworks suppressors. I had an entire custom job done for a similar price to their standard over-barrel suppressors which was an eye-opener.[/QUOTE]

Who did you get to make your suppressor ?

[Juniper]

I'm a Serious Shooters fan. They have always been good and patient with me.

[jono035]

I do draw issue with their suppressors... As I understand it, they're basically cheap imports designed to look like Gunworks suppressors. I had an entire custom job done for a similar price to their standard over-barrel suppressors which was an eye-opener.

Who did you get to make your suppressor ?[/QUOTE]

Gunworks did it based off their 'Maximus' 2" diameter but with stuff moved around so that it ended up matching up with the Hogue forend perfectly. I sent down a full upper, the replacement Hogue foreend and chatted with Robbie Tiffen for about an hour about what my goals were for the build. He ended up chopping 2" off the barrel for me, re-crowning, threading, making a thread protector and fitting the new Hogue foreend all before measuring it up and making up a lengthened Maximus type suppressor that had a few more baffles forward to make it more effective for use with subs.

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/42615-The-firearm-thread?p=1130333194#post1130333194

That's the finished product. All up I think it cost me $500 dead, including shipping both ways (a courier rocked up to my house after hours to pick up the upper in the first place) which seems like incredible value compared to the $400-500 .30 cal suppressors listed on GC.

Also, at the time there was something on the Gunworks website saying that they had been receiving returns of broken suppressors that looked like theirs but were actually low quality knock-offs (paint that was flaking off instead of the anodizing they use, crappy work on the threading, thin walled tube, that kind of thing) where things had shifted and it ended up with baffle strikes and pissed off people etc.

Long story short, Gunworks for the win.