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Mr Merde

9th October 2007, 15:40

Cheers guys... I really appreciate the feedback. I've printed up the rules and will be going over them with my son as soon as the present has been given to him.

google the following

NZ Firearms

it will give you alink to the police firearms pages and you can download a copy of the Arms Code.

Its 35 pages. Small enough to print off.

For a 10 year old it wouold be intereseting as it is full of diagrams and pictures.

Wolf

9th October 2007, 15:47

For a 10 year old it wouold be intereseting as it is full of diagrams and pictures.
And clarifies each of the 7 rules with "for instances"

007XX

9th October 2007, 15:56

google the following

NZ Firearms

it will give you alink to the police firearms pages and you can download a copy of the Arms Code.

Its 35 pages. Small enough to print off.

For a 10 year old it wouold be intereseting as it is full of diagrams and pictures.

And clarifies each of the 7 rules with "for instances"

Will do, thanks...Even if he's young, he's actually quite level headed, so I know he'll take it on board.

Wolf

9th October 2007, 15:59

Will do, thanks...Even if he's young, he's actually quite level headed, so I know he'll take it on board.
I was way younger than his age when I was given a thorough grounding in firearms safety and use. Kids can take safety pretty seriously on occasions.

007XX

9th October 2007, 16:03

I was way younger than his age when I was given a thorough grounding in firearms safety and use. Kids can take safety pretty seriously on occasions.

Oh he does...I'm just worried about how it is going to be taught to him, that's all.

Anyway, I'll let you blokes get back on topic. Thanks a whole bunch for your help. :first: you guys are champs!!!!:rockon:

Delerium

9th October 2007, 17:00

In saying that he needs to be careful and under supervision, it is a good way to introduce him to firearms and get good habits ingrained early. If he is keen
he may end up applying for his license later on. Air rifles are generally quiet enought that they can be used in your back yard and as a result remove some of the barriers of powder based firearms. You dont need to travel long distances to a range and it is the cheapest form of shooting there is. There is a lot of stigma with firearms and air guns, much of it unjustified. Hope he enjoys himself.

Wolf

9th October 2007, 17:29

Anyway, I'll let you blokes get back on topic.
WTF? This is the firearms thread, you have been on topic!

doc

9th October 2007, 17:39

Oh he does...I'm just worried about how it is going to be taught to him, that's all.

Anyway, I'll let you blokes get back on topic. Thanks a whole bunch for your help. :first: you guys are champs!!!!:rockon:
Oh well she's gone back to the kitchen, where were we ?

deanohit

9th October 2007, 19:10

Oh well she's gone back to the kitchen, where were we ?
:Pokey: :eek: Very subtle mate. :killingme:killingme:

sAsLEX

10th October 2007, 05:01

I was way younger than his age when I was given a thorough grounding in firearms safety and use. Kids can take safety pretty seriously on occasions.

You were probably allowed to smack back in those days, might not of been the rifle you were initially afraid of but the thrashing if you didn't follow the rules!

007XX

10th October 2007, 07:55

WTF? This is the firearms thread, you have been on topic!

I just thought you'd all get a bit bored if I started ranting about how much of a jackass the ex was, hence I'm worried about he's going to teach our son...

Oh well she's gone back to the kitchen, where were we ?

Why you cheeky old fart...Wait til I get my hands on you:girlfight::spanking: :lol:

Mr Merde

10th October 2007, 08:05

I just thought you'd all get a bit bored if I started ranting about how much of a jackass the ex was, hence I'm worried about he's going to teach our son...

You could always arrange for one of the people here in this thread to help. I'm sure anyone of them, if available, would gladly assist in the training of a youth in our sport. They are the lifeblood of the shooting sports and should be encouraged as much as possible, albeit as safely as possible. Personally I extend to you a visit to my little smallholding just south of Tuakau on one of the days when I arrange a shoot on my 100 yard range. The youngster can have a with his airgun and possibly a .22 rifle. All under strict supervision of course.

Why you cheeky old fart...Wait til I get my hands on you:girlfight::spanking: :lol:

Whats wrong with us "old farts"? Go on deny that you actually did go to the kitchen some time after the previous conversation.

Mr Merde ......

Goblin

10th October 2007, 08:12

I just thought you'd all get a bit bored if I started ranting about how much of a jackass the ex was, hence I'm worried about he's going to teach our son...
You could always start a "My ex is a jackass thread" We could compare notes.:rolleyes:

007XX

10th October 2007, 08:13

Mr Merde ......

Cheers for the invite, that would be absolutely awesome! As previously stated, I'd love to learn how to shoot too:clap:

And as far as denying I was in the kitchen later on, Oh you bet your sweet wrinkly cheeks I can...:dodge:

I's just not telling what else I was up to...:devil2: :bleh:

007XX

10th October 2007, 08:20

You could always start a "My ex is a jackass thread" We could compare notes.:rolleyes:

Oh Gawd, where to start?!? Nah, I don't think anyone really deserves having to read about this...:laugh:

But thanks anyway sweet:2thumbsup :hug:

Mr Merde

10th October 2007, 08:20

Cheers for the invite, that would be absolutely awesome! As previously stated, I'd love to learn how to shoot too:clap:

And as far as denying I was in the kitchen later on, Oh you bet your sweet wrinkly cheeks I can...:dodge:

I's just not telling what else I was up to...:devil2: :bleh:

No problem. I'll give you a call when I next have a couple of mates around for a plinking/ sighting in session.

If you and the lad can make it great. You may have to put up with a bunch of "cowboys" shouting yehaa, and calling each other silly names.

007XX

10th October 2007, 08:30

No problem. I'll give you a call when I next have a couple of mates around for a plinking/ sighting in session.

If you and the lad can make it great. You may have to put up with a bunch of "cowboys" shouting yehaa, and calling each other silly names.

:wari: You may find that we can do the "yeeehaaah" with the best of them...:shifty: :lol: I was raised rounding cattles in the stinking hot sun, on horses... Short of having had a sixth finger surgically removed for aesthetic purposes, I'd say we're pretty much Hillbilys when we wanna be! :rofl:

Very much looking forward to it!:2thumbsup

Wolf

10th October 2007, 12:02

:wari: You may find that we can do the "yeeehaaah" with the best of them...:shifty: :lol: I was raised rounding cattles in the stinking hot sun, on horses... Short of having had a sixth finger surgically removed for aesthetic purposes, I'd say we're pretty much Hillbilys when we wanna be! :rofl:

Very much looking forward to it!:2thumbsup
If you don't mind extras along, give me a bit of advanced warning of a weekend session, and if possible I'll organise a babysitter, throw a couple of rifles in the car and Juliet and I will head out as well.

007XX

10th October 2007, 12:06

If you don't mind extras along, give me a bit of advanced warning of a weekend session, and if possible I'll organise a babysitter, throw a couple of rifles in the car and Juliet and I will head out as well.

With Mr Merde's permission of course...But man, that would be really awesome to have a "Kber shooting weekend"!!!:Punk::woohoo:

deanohit

10th October 2007, 12:10

Hell yea, if Merde is cool with it, I'd be keen, havn't been for a shoot in a while. Too bad my rifles are down the Mainland.

ManDownUnder

10th October 2007, 12:17

No problem. I'll give you a call when I next have a couple of mates around for a plinking/ sighting in session.

If you and the lad can make it great. You may have to put up with a bunch of "cowboys" shouting yehaa, and calling each other silly names.

Dates to avoid (for me anyway).

October 24 - November 3 inc
November 9 - November 26 inc.

I'll have me new scope on the HMR at that point too.

Need to find us a block with too many furries critters on it again too. Possums, bunnies or goats. It's all good by me. If someone can help me with the prep on a Goat I'll make the curry afterwards...

Mr Merde

10th October 2007, 13:28

Looks like I have some organising to do.

MDU--- dates noted.
Wolf -- I'll give you plenty of warning
deanohit-- of course you will have an invite.

I'll check with the farmer, make sure the stock has been moved, set up a date and let you all know when.

Merde

Mr Merde

10th October 2007, 13:32

Thought you all would enjoy this picture.

look close.

Darwin was right

Mr Merde

10th October 2007, 13:35

sorry messed up try this

Wolf

10th October 2007, 13:39

Well, I looked close and it looks like the fucking idiot's finger is on the trigger as well - would be a bastard if he flinched at the sound of his mate's shot...

deanohit

10th October 2007, 13:40

Cheers Mr Merde, where are you anyway? You can pm me if you want to keep it quiet.

Love the pic, the ATF don't seem to have many bright cookies there, like the guy who shot himself in the foot while giving a lecture on gun safety.
"I'm the only one in this room qualified to hold a gun" BANG!!!

007XX

10th October 2007, 13:44

If someone can help me with the prep on a Goat I'll make the curry afterwards...

I'm keen...haven't gutted anything in a few years, so would be a bit rusty, but I'm sure the goat won't mind! :laugh:

007XX

10th October 2007, 13:45

Thought you all would enjoy this picture.

look close.

Darwin was right

Bwahhahaha...the missing viallge idiot, except he was obviously stressed from taking care of two villlages and decided to end it!

Mr Merde

10th October 2007, 13:59

I'm keen...haven't gutted anything in a few years, so would be a bit rusty, but I'm sure the goat won't mind! :laugh:

Dont need to gut the thing. Just take the legs, leave the rest to nature.

Also make sure it is a young one.

007XX

10th October 2007, 14:01

Dont need to gut the thing. Just take the legs, leave the rest to nature.

Also make sure it is a young one.

What do you mean "leave the rest to Nature" ???

deanohit

10th October 2007, 14:02

A young nanny, they're always best, some of those billies you can literally smell from a mile away down wind.
Love goat shanks cooked in the camp oven! Can't beat that hint of smoke flavour.

Mr Merde

10th October 2007, 14:04

What do you mean "leave the rest to Nature" ???

open the belly cavity and leave the carcass to decompose. Few weeks and there wont be much left. After taking the legs there is not a lot else left on the carcass worth eating.

deanohit

10th October 2007, 14:06

open the belly cavity and leave the carcass to decompose. Few weeks and there wont be much left.

Especially if theres pigs in the area. Basically natures garbage disposal.

007XX

10th October 2007, 14:12

open the belly cavity and leave the carcass to decompose. Few weeks and there wont be much left. After taking the legs there is not a lot else left on the carcass worth eating.

No disrespect meant, but that seems wrong somehow. Where I come from, if we kill, we use everything.

I'll just shut up now, it's not my place to criticise. :o

deanohit

10th October 2007, 14:18

No disrespect meant, but that seems wrong somehow. Where I come from, if we kill, we use everything.

I'll just shut up now, it's not my place to criticise. :o

No, feel free to say what you want. With goats, we often only take the back steaks and legs, same with deer, but if we get a pig, we carry the whole fat bastard back as there is so much more meat on a pig. When I was rabbit and possum shooting, I always carried them all out, best dog tucker you can get. And like I said in my above post, anything you leave gets cleaned up by other wild pigs.

Mr Merde

10th October 2007, 14:22

Never taken a pig.

Never had the opportunity.

deanohit

10th October 2007, 14:26

Real thrill to get a pig with dogs and a knife, heres one we got a few weeks ago while down my mums. Was only about 30-40lbs, so not much of a carry. Pretty young, but very tender and tasty.

007XX

10th October 2007, 14:34

No, feel free to say what you want. With goats, we often only take the back steaks and legs, same with deer, but if we get a pig, we carry the whole fat bastard back as there is so much more meat on a pig. When I was rabbit and possum shooting, I always carried them all out, best dog tucker you can get. And like I said in my above post, anything you leave gets cleaned up by other wild pigs.

Cheers Buddy...I was bearing in mind that:

a) I'm certain Mr Merde has got WAY more experience in hunting than I
b) he was kind enough to offer help and an invite my way
c) I've never hunted in NZ, so I don't really know the rules

I don't mean any offence with my flat footed french ways, I swear! :whistle:

Wolf

10th October 2007, 14:35

So effectively you butcher in the field rather than lugging it all home and doing it there.

Not a lot left on an animal after you've taken back steaks and legs off - fuck all to eat on the ribs and (to me, anyway) the organs are inedible - hate liver, kidney, heart, intestines/stomach. Not a great fan on eating brains or tongue, either.

Problem with leaving the carcass, I feel, is that it could attract other pests.

Wolf

10th October 2007, 14:39

Pretty young, but very tender and tasty.
shutup shutup shutup!

Generally can't stand pork - too greasy and tastes foul unless you hangi it or marinade it - but I suspect that is entirely due to the way commercial piggeries raise/feed the pigs. Wild pork tastes nothing like the comercial stuff. Very nice, love it (only had it once in my life.)

Venison has got to be one of my all-time favourite meats, tho'.

Edit: Belay that last statement. Venison IS my all-time favourite meat.

scumdog

10th October 2007, 16:52

With Mr Merde's permission of course...But man, that would be really awesome to have a "Kber shooting weekend"!!!:Punk::woohoo:

So how many KBers are you planning on shooting??:whistle::spudwhat::wait::nya:

scumdog

10th October 2007, 16:55

Wolf

10th October 2007, 17:03

Heart, liver, kidneys good for stew.
Eckkk! Can't even stand steak and kidney pie - kidney ruins the taste. Offal thing to do to good steak. Bloody offal. :devil2:

Never tried hare, right with you on the venison. Quite like rabbit (providing the thing is properly gutted...)

Ewww.... what's that?
Tripe.
Stinks to high Heaven, what is it?
Offal.
Awful? It's fucking disgusting...

scumdog

10th October 2007, 17:21

Never tried hare, right with you on the venison. Quite like rabbit (providing the thing is properly gutted...)

Hare? if I served you a hare cassarole you could easily be fooled it was venison.
Dark, rich meat - unlike rabbit

doc

10th October 2007, 17:27

Eckkk! Can't even stand steak and kidney pie - kidney ruins the taste. Offal thing to do to good steak. Bloody offal. :devil2:

Never tried hare, right with you on the venison. Quite like rabbit (providing the thing is properly gutted...)

Ewww.... what's that?
Tripe.
Stinks to high Heaven, what is it?
Offal.
Awful? It's fucking disgusting...
You should try a thin slice of fresh liver raw from vension you have just shot. Will change your opinion. I suppose Kina are of the menu too ?

scumdog

10th October 2007, 17:36

No disrespect meant, but that seems wrong somehow. Where I come from, if we kill, we use everything.

I'll just shut up now, it's not my place to criticise. :o

I don't waste bugger-all.
Even the bits between the ribs I dry and turn into jerky. (biltong?)

Wolf

10th October 2007, 18:21

You should try a thin slice of fresh liver raw from vension you have just shot. Will change your opinion.
Never tried it. Open to trying - only liver I've tried is cattle liver and not fresh killed. Well prepared to believe fresh venison liver is quite different.

I suppose Kina are of the menu too ?
Dunno about your menu but definitely off mine - that I have tried :sick:

deanohit

10th October 2007, 20:57

Oh c'mon, the humble ol' kina's beautiful when fresh out of the sea. Dunno about raw venison liver though, but would try it. I don't mind hearts, but livers and kidneys I avoid.

007XX

11th October 2007, 07:46

So how many KBers are you planning on shooting??:whistle::spudwhat::wait::nya:

:laugh: Now why would I want to do that??? You guys are all angels after all, aren't you? :innocent: :rofl:

I don't waste bugger-all.
Even the bits between the ribs I dry and turn into jerky. (biltong?)

Yes, back in New Caledonia, my uncle used to make the most wicked salami out of what Kiwis consider the "leftovers"...

And 007XY never used to eat offals until he met me and I showed him what french cooking can do...Boiling is not cooking:nono:!

Mr Merde

11th October 2007, 07:55

:laugh: Now why would I want to do that??? You guys are all angels after all, aren't you? :innocent: :rofl:

Yes, back in New Caledonia, ..... wicked salami out of what Kiwis consider the "leftovers"...

....french cooking can do...Boiling is not cooking:nono:!

Salami, isnt that Italian?

Agree with you on the French cooking. Prefer the cusine from Provence than from the northern climes.

007XX

11th October 2007, 08:45

Salami, isnt that Italian?

Agree with you on the French cooking. Prefer the cusine from Provence than from the northern climes.

You're quite correct:

" Salami (Salame) is not one specific sausage; it is a generic term describing any type of encased (insaccati) meat product. The origin of the word comes from the Latin word "Salumen" which describes a mix of salted meats. Like many other Italian pork products, Salami has a long history even pre-dating ancient Rome. Over these centuries regional variations as well as preparation techniques have created various types of these sausages."

The wild venison salami my uncle made is unlike anything I've ever tasted though...quite spicy and gamy but very moorish.

In NC, a lot of different races are all bunched up in a small community : vietnamese, arabians, italians, islanders...so I guess our food is a lot more diverse than the regular french food. makes for some lovely results though. Hubby loves my spring rolls as much as my tahitian raw fish salad! :laugh:

And yes, I'd definitely favour "la cuisine du Midi" over the heavier northern dishes...But eh, who am I kidding, I love food full stop! :whistle:

bungbung

11th October 2007, 13:26

How do I deal with small rust spots without damaging the black finish on the barrel?

Mr Merde

11th October 2007, 13:29

How do I deal with small rust spots without damaging the black finish on the barrel?

Get some Balistol and wipe it over the barrel. If it isnt too bad it should clear it up.

That black finish is only a form of rust anyway.

Merde

Kelem

16th October 2007, 08:22

3 shotguns,
2 270's
Ruger 1022
My current favorite a .17HMR
BSA meteor air rifle thats 38 years old.

deanohit

16th October 2007, 19:13

Here you go 007XX, found this in another forum I frequent and thought you'd enjoy it, a good reason to get back into shooting if ever I've seen one.

"From the first time I've picked up a gun till now I've encountered quite a few female shooters that would put many male shooters in shame. Unfortunately... I'm included in that list. lol

But there's a reason for it. Like it or not, there are some jobs that women are just better at. That's why they were selected for certain jobs during WWII. Even though the men wanted men in those jobs, the real guys in charge got their way and got women in there because they just knew they would be better at it.

Steady hands, patience, able to not let something freak them out so they stop...., ability to deal with repetitive tasks better are just some of the reasons.

If girls want to find something they can "beat boys at", they ought to take up shooting!!"

I'll admit to being one of the guys who took a girl shooting once and was out shot, no biggy, impressed the hell out of me, and I knew from then on to not piss her off!!:ar15:

pritch

24th October 2007, 21:45

Got a card to say that I had a CourierPost package at the depot so at lunch time I shot around there. Not one, but two packages.

A pair of Decot HyWyd inverted bifocal shooting glasses. (Us old fellers need all the help we can get). Most of both lenses is plain but the top of the aiming eye lens is focussed at the distance to the front sight.

This lets you move around if need be without tripping over your feet and when you want to aim you just dip your head slightly and you are looking through the bifocal bit.

Likely heading for the range on Sunday to give these a whirl...

Oh and the other parcel, my new Held Akira gloves :clap:

Broke now:Oops:

Swoop

25th October 2007, 07:23

"From the first time I've picked up a gun till now I've encountered quite a few female shooters that would put many male shooters in shame.
Agreed. I have seen it in action at the range.
A fellow shooter was bringing a different female guest each week, to be introduced to the sport.
All of them shot quite well for beginners who had never fired a pistol in their lives.
One in particular was exceptional, but went away with "well that was easy - onto something more difficult" attitude.:(

A shame. She had potential.

007XX

25th October 2007, 08:08

Here you go 007XX, found this in another forum I frequent and thought you'd enjoy it, a good reason to get back into shooting if ever I've seen one.

Cheers mate...I had read that article previously.

I'm keen and not at all afraid of giving it a go, but just lack the opportunity and time.

Never matter, I'll get there someday!:2thumbsup

chris

25th October 2007, 08:28

Quite like rabbit (providing the thing is properly gutted...)
Absolutely. Before doing anything else, the bladder has to be gently squeezed to empty its contents as nicking it with the knife during preparation will taint the meat. The rabbits we take off our property go straight into the pot.

chris

25th October 2007, 08:31

You should try a thin slice of fresh liver raw from vension you have just shot.
I prefer it flash fried so it's still nice and pink (same with any liver). Throw some sage leafs into the pan at the same time and serve on toast.

Wolf

25th October 2007, 10:44

Absolutely. Before doing anything else, the bladder has to be gently squeezed to empty its contents as nicking it with the knife during preparation will taint the meat. The rabbits we take off our property go straight into the pot.
Hehe. My comment was in reference to a time a bunch of us went hunting and had an overnight stay in the hunting area. One of the guys, Mike, was given some rabbit pieces to carry up with us for our meal. The bloke who gave it to him had shot a couple of rabbits recently and figured we might like wild rabbit for our evening meal since we were in the hunting spirit.

The rabbits had been basically quartered but because the pieces were still frozen when I went to cook them I couldn't dice them for the stew pot so I just shoved the frozen lumps in the pot with the veges and the 2-minute noodles so they would thaw then cook.

Dinner is duly done, rabbit meat all thawed and cooked and we all sit down to eat.

Then David gives a shout and proceeds to get irate with Kenneth, who had kindly pointed out there was shit oozing from the piece of rabbit David was about to take a bite out of.

One of the women says "yeah, there was shit in my piece, too, but I didn't want to say anything."

Seems the bunny who'd killed the rabbits didn't bother gutting them before hacking them up and shoving them in the freezer, then he gave them to Mike to take on our overnight expedition.

So yeah, rabbit's fine - just clean and gut the fucker properly first, eh.

007XX

25th October 2007, 11:08

Seems the bunny who'd killed the rabbits didn't bother gutting them before hacking them up and shoving them in the freezer, then he gave them to Mike to take on our overnight expedition.

So yeah, rabbit's fine - just clean and gut the fucker properly first, eh.

Sickening, but funny...:laugh: I like how the woman noticed but didn't say anything...<_<

deanohit

25th October 2007, 11:27

Hahaha Wolf, that is a great story!! I took a guy white baiting one time, got a few pound, and as I was making a few fresh fritters, he asked "arn't you going to gut them first?" I then asked him back if he wanted a Tui? The humour was lost on him.

jrandom

25th October 2007, 11:31

Salami has a long history... very moorish.

You are very good at unintentionally apt typos, aren't you?

007XX

25th October 2007, 11:34

You are very good at unintentionally apt typos, aren't you?

Hmmmm, unintentional is such a big word! :laugh:

But you are very good at aptly twisitng my very innocent comments into lewd ones...:bleh::niceone::devil2:

jrandom

25th October 2007, 12:07

you are very good at aptly twisitng my very innocent comments into lewd ones...

Nothing lewd about saying that salami is Moorish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorish).

It's not, really, of course, being more Italian than Spanish. But I'm sure it wasn't unknown to them.

007XX

25th October 2007, 12:24

Nothing lewd about saying that salami is Moorish (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorish).

It's not, really, of course, being more Italian than Spanish. But I'm sure it wasn't unknown to them.

Oh...:confused: hang on, then I must have got it wrong (what a bloody surprise! :o)

What I meant is moorish, as in : it tastes so good, you want more of it all the time! Was that the correct word to use or not?

Very frustrating sometimes being french:Oops:

Highlander

25th October 2007, 12:27

We use the term "Musty" as in Must have some more...

vifferman

25th October 2007, 12:28

Oh...:confused: hang on, then I must have got it wrong (
What I meant is moorish, as in : it tastes so good, you want more of it all the time! Was that the correct word to use or not?
Yes, but it's spelled "morish" (or "more-ish").

jrandom

25th October 2007, 12:31

Very frustrating sometimes being french

Are you expecting a little Teutonic sympathy?

007XX

25th October 2007, 13:02

Yes, but it's spelled "morish" (or "more-ish").

Cheers Buddy!:D

Are you expecting a little Teutonic sympathy?

Pfffftt...Expectations are bound to be disappointed, so I stopped having them a long time ago!:rolleyes:

chris

29th October 2007, 15:36

OK to advertise here? Presume so.

I have for sale a Webley Raider .22 pre-charge air rifle. It is single shot and comes with a 4x32 scope, bag, divers bottle complete with hose connection and two or three tins of pellets. In excellent condition, there is a small mark on the stock however. $500 Usual rules apply for buyers.

Swoop

5th November 2007, 21:10

Go the Kiwi shooters!!
A kiwi has outshot the ockers on their home turf and posted a PB AND a new NZ record:banana:

Will try and find some details. Useless fecking media will not catch onto this one, especially not tvnz!

Wolf

5th November 2007, 21:14

Will try and find some details. Useless fecking media will not catch onto this one, especially not tvnz!
Perhaps they should have worn rugby jerseys and mashed their opponents' faces - that'd get three days of coverage.

Go the kiwi shooters! Our shooters rock, the ABs suck...

Mr Merde

5th November 2007, 21:20

I've become a little jaded with regard to this site lately so I will be taking a break for a while. Tired of ploughing through pages of "feel good" posts or watching others become abusive.

I'll keep an eye on this thread as I enjoy the conversations we have regarding firearms and related topics.

Have fun, enjoy your shooting.

Chris

deanohit

5th November 2007, 21:22

Mumbles

5th November 2007, 21:31

Got my Dillon 650 on the weekend..... now to save up and get some more stuff powder/prim/proj etc so I can do some loading.... only loading 40sw

There something firearm related :cool:

Mr Merde

5th November 2007, 21:35

Sorry to hear that mate, there does seem to be more BS than normal though.

On a brighter note, my family are paying for me and my truck to go back to the main land for xmas, have already teed up a few hunts for pig and deer around Marlbrough and may even be doing some wallaby shooting down Otago. Can't wait!

Lucky bugger. All I have done lately is a little plinking, a little CAS and a couple of turkeys for the freezer.

Yep a lot of BS being bandied around and it does get very boring.

Found a US site that is dedicated to streetfighter builds. Possibility for my poor GS1200SS as it needs its latest war wounds repaired.

Just arranged to sell 3 of my pistols, money for them going as deposit on 2 more handguns. Broke the stock on my JW15, hve to glue this up. Arranging to have woodwork for my 45-70 RRB sent from the US, birthday present from my other half for the end of the month. This rifle has been 2 years in the making and I am getting impatient to shoot it.

Playing around with lead projectiles for the little M1 carbine. Interesting results. Need a fater powder. AR2207 is accurate but not enough whoomp to operate the action reliably.

Last week broke my Rossi lever action, after thousands of rounds it needs a complete rebuild. Also broke the bolt spring on one of my revolvers.

Things to do, guns to shoot, game to take.

Chris

Wolf

5th November 2007, 22:03

deanohit

6th November 2007, 07:19

Lucky bugger.
Yep, thats me!

Broke the stock on my JW15, have to glue this up.
How'd you break it? I'm looking forward to getting mine out of the safe and checking how it's fared after sitting unused for almost a year, should be fine as I oiled it before putting it away, hopefully just a clean and then :ar15:

Last week broke my Rossi lever action, after thousands of rounds it needs a complete rebuild. Also broke the bolt spring on one of my revolvers.
Man, what are you doin to break all these guns?

Things to do, guns to shoot, game to take.
Too right!

Just found out last night that my youngest brother has got off his back side and got his arms licence, he was stoked when I told him he could have an old Toz bolt .22 I had sitting in a mates safe. Gonna have to get a goat shoot together aswell. It's a hard bloody life!

Patch

6th November 2007, 07:56

Can anyone recommend a club/range in the Auck area. (I have a small and large calibre weapon) I asked when in the shop in Penrose but just got given a 2 page list and am expected to ring everyone myself until I find what I am looking for. I can't really be arsed doing that, would rather go with a couple of good recommendations.

I'm not looking to go hunting anymore (too many mofo's with a license, and not enuff brain power) just occasionally visit a range or a happy farmer who wants some bunnies/goats cleared etc.

I'm ex-military and not here to fuk around. (know how ya feeling Mr. Merde)

pm me with your helpful ideas. Thanks.

Patch

scumdog

6th November 2007, 08:13

Mr Merde

6th November 2007, 09:26

Anybody had problems with a Mini 14?

My mates one fails to cycle the action - lots!

I have it to try and clean, any hot tips on how to do it without pulling the rifle into little bits to get rid of the fouling.??

Has he been shooting lead?

If so I have heard of this type of action slowly filling up the gasport in the barrel.

ie, if the lead is too soft minute ammounts shaved off and clogging the gasport resulting in a failure to action.

Its a possibility.

only fix I know off is to strip and clean thoroughly. Sorry

scumdog

6th November 2007, 09:30

Has he been shooting lead?

only fix I know off is to strip and clean thoroughly. Sorry

Nah, just using 'budget' ammo - could be lack of lube in critical areas or could be powder fouling.

Mr Merde

6th November 2007, 09:34

Nah, just using 'budget' ammo - could be lack of lube in critical areas or could be powder fouling.

Powder fouling a definite possibility.

Cheap powder clogging up the gasport.

Same action as M1 carbine and M14.

It happens and the rifle just seems to slow down to the point where it fails to cycle.

Swoop

6th November 2007, 10:01

Can anyone recommend a club/range in the Auck area.
http://www.imas.co.nz/ranges.html
Have a look at these. Might not be dial-up friendly though.

Nah, just using 'budget' ammo - could be lack of lube in critical areas or could be powder fouling.
How often has it been cleaned and how much stripping down has been done?
They are really easy to strip down to components. Avoid the trigger group unless you want a real bit of fun getting those back together...

Wolf

6th November 2007, 11:36

Well, time to renew my licence.

Have to have it done by the end of the week and I don't get paid 'til next Thursday so I'll be spending the next couple of days working out what to sell or pawn to afford the relicensing fee.

Wolf

9th November 2007, 12:13

Got my relicensing form submitted today. Just have to wait for them to check out my references etc and get back to me but at least I got it all submitted by the due date.

scumdog

9th November 2007, 22:18

Got my relicensing form submitted today. Just have to wait for them to check out my references etc and get back to me but at least I got it all submitted by the due date.

Good one Jon - a pain getting the $$ together I know but cheaper than if it expires...

Pixie

16th November 2007, 11:05

Use one of these:

http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_XM109,,00.html

deanohit

16th November 2007, 11:10

Shit man, thats a beast of a weapon, just the thing for long range bunny shooting!

Swoop

19th November 2007, 20:06

Steam

19th November 2007, 20:11

Oooh. Soooo tempted this morning. Wake up in rural central Auckland, open the curtains and there is a bloody big Wabbit sitting on the neighbours' lawn having a nibble on the grass...:drool:

Slight twitching of the trigger finger commences...

Mutters *bloody built-up areas*:oi-grr:

My dad once woke up mum with gunfire in the bedroom - he really hates magpies, so when he heard one first thing in the morning he jumps out of bed, (stark naked), grabs the gun, flings open the window and CRACK it's dead, and mum is suddenly shrieking and awake "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING NAKED WITH A GUN IN THE BEDROOM???!!!"

Much hilarity when the story is retold, later. Much later.

Wolf

19th November 2007, 20:52

My dad once woke up mum with gunfire in the bedroom - he really hates magpies, so when he heard one first thing in the morning he jumps out of bed, (stark naked), grabs the gun, flings open the window and CRACK it's dead, and mum is suddenly shrieking and awake "WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING NAKED WITH A GUN IN THE BEDROOM???!!!"

Much hilarity when the story is retold, later. Much later.

Dunno if I've told this one. Went camping with a friend and her boyfriend. Her boyfriend and I took our rifles up with us and spent the day "target shooting" across the river valley (more like mucking about firing the guns.)

In the middle of the night, my friend is asleep and her boyfriends says "it's too quiet. Need to break the silence." I figure he means by talking but, no, he picks up the Winchester 30-30 and fires it into the bank across from our camp site.

The roar was like the death of a universe in the quiet of the night, My friend screamed, I collapsed - pissing myself laughing - and my friend landed on top of me while I lay laughing uncontrollably... She'd leapt that high.

Needless to say, she had a few choice words for her boyfriend.

Apparently my dad was quite the one for mimicking moreporks. My dad and my uncle were up hunting, set up camp for the night and dad amused himself calling the morepork that was hooting in the distance. The bird got closer and closer, attracted by dad's call until it was in a tree directly above them and was hooting constantly. Those little suckers are very loud and strident at close range!

My uncle says "Thanks a lot, Clyde" and was answered only by dad's snoring and the hoot of the morepork so he picked up the .303, chambered a round and discharged it into the bushes.

The morepork fucked off at close to light speed and dad leapt into the air yelling "who! what!"

My uncle put the rifle down, said "night, Clyde" and went to sleep.

And people wonder why we like firearms. :weird:

Wolf

20th November 2007, 20:29

Wolf

26th November 2007, 21:27

Had the bloke turn up to talk to my wife and I about my licence renewal on Saturday. Passed the test questions - 100% (hardly surprising) and he seemed well pleased with my answers to his other questions.

Got a call from my other referee on Sunday to say the bloke had spoken with him and seemed well pleased so my new licence should be arriving soon.

Big ups to my referees for their help getting the legalities out of the way.

mud boy

1st December 2007, 17:44

Ive been shot with a gun by my mate with an........air rifle
it hurt alot lol and left a big blue mark on me :lol:

Wolf

1st December 2007, 18:58

Ive been shot with a gun by my mate with an........air rifle
it hurt alot lol and left a big blue mark on me :lol:
Shot myself point blank in the hand with a CO2-powered air pistol once.

Only ever the once.

Serious object lesson in "treat every firearm as if loaded".

Worse, I deliberately pointed it at my hand and squeezed the trigger to test what the CO2 pressure was like.

It was one of those Crosman revolvers with the six-slug revolving cylinder - CO2 bottle hidden in the revolver grip.

I'd fired 6 shots at the target, dry fired twice - could definitely hear the first six fires had a slug up the spout and the last two were through an empty barrel - and the pressure sounded like it was geting low so I pointed it at my left hand and fired to see how much of a blast was coming out of the muzzle.

Instead, I wound up with a slug embedded up to its waist in my palm - had to pick it out of the hole with my fingernails. Fuck, it hurt.

Only thing I could figure was that for some reason, one of the slugs had failed to exit the cylinder when I was firing and then did so when I fired it for a ninth time.

A while later, my uncle and I stripped the pistol and discovered that the grub screw that secures the barrel inside the frame was loose, allowing the end of the barrel nearest the cylinder to shift.

We figure that on the third shot, the barrel had shifted slightly, trapping the slug in the cylinder and still giving that distinctive sound of a pellet being fired. The barrel shifted back into position for the following shots then I dry-fired through chambers 1 and 2, bringing it back around to 3 - still with a chambered slug and now correctly aligned with the barrel - when I fired it into my hand.

Absolute stupidity and carelessness on my part and a lesson well learned - but fortunately with little damage.

Saw a bloke shot in the elbow with an air rifle once - the worrying thing was that I was between him and the mate of his that fired the air rifle. The pellet must've missed my stomach by millimetres.

Swoop

3rd December 2007, 10:19

Big ups to my referees for their help getting the legalities out of the way.
It is this system, of having to provide referees, that some overseas countries would be wise to adopt. It is a [small] hassle to go through, but the system itself is a sensible one.
Glad to hear that it all went well!

Wolf

3rd December 2007, 11:43

It is this system, of having to provide referees, that some overseas countries would be wise to adopt. It is a [small] hassle to go through, but the system itself is a sensible one.
Glad to hear that it all went well!
Especially as they are put through the ringer about your nature, character, likelihood of violence, sort of people you associate with etc etc.

A skilled interviewer should be able to spot if a referee is lying or does not know the applicant very well, especially when they are given questions that give the potential for conflicting answers.

I think it works quite well and the interviewer certainly must have walked away with a clear conviction that my referees know me quite well.

davereid

15th December 2007, 08:17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S7pGt_O1uM8

0arbreaka

26th December 2007, 23:57

Does anyone know where I can get some paracord or something along those lines? Making myself a lanyard for my new knife so i dont lose it.

Smokin

27th December 2007, 08:43

Mitre 10 has a huge range of cords and ropes here, Could be worth a visit to them.

Swoop

27th December 2007, 19:27

Does anyone know where I can get some paracord or something along those lines? Making myself a lanyard for my new knife so i dont lose it.
I have some 2 metre long pieces of gutted 550Lb nylon paracord, if that is of use?

Delerium

29th December 2007, 18:06

let me know how much you want

Mr Merde

3rd January 2008, 20:20

Trying to empty out my collection a bit.

This weekend I will be putting on trademe the following;

M1 Carbine

Reloading Dies

Approx 700 brass .30 Carbine

Bullet Mould (Lee 2 cavity 120gn GC)

Bandolier with some stripper clips and papers.

Anyone here interested then pm me.

Carbine is A cat with a 5 round mag

0arbreaka

3rd January 2008, 22:18

doc

4th January 2008, 06:59

Mr Merde

4th January 2008, 08:18

Need an answer. We need to know 7mm.08 Winchester 139gr. Where should the POI be at 50m if I want it zero for 100m. I.E. If I'm aiming at the centre of the target at 50 m where should the group form . Ta

Hope this helps

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Mr Merde

10th January 2008, 08:26

Couldnt sleep much last night so I got up at 4-30am.

Sitting in the lounge I knew I would nod off again so I decided to go for a walk in the fields around the house. (This was about 5 am and I have to leave for work at 7:15am)

Naturally I grabbed a rifle to carry with me. This time my competition carbine, a Rossi M92 in .44 mag but loaded with black powder under a 205gn lead projectile.

Also carried a pair of binoculars.

15 min later I'm scanning the hills and spot what I think are a couple of bunnies.

Approach is slow and I get to about 50 metres from these animals and it turns out they are hares.

I stop, settle down and get relaxed. Sight on the first hare and pull the trigger. Black powder doesnt have that crack of the modern propellant so the animals werent as spooked. Hare I fired out hasnt moved but the other one is squatted down. I wait a few min and the 2nd hare stretches a bit so up with the carbine and bang. Hare does a flip and just drops to the ground.

I walk down the hill to get the animal and the first still hasnt moved.

My first shot had nailed this hare straight through the heart and lungs. Didnt even know it was dead. The 2nd hare was taken with a similar shot but becuase it was moving at the time it had jumped about a metre.

Never shot a hare before.

Big buggers arent they?

about 3-4 time the size of a rabbit.

Took these two animals home and have now hung them from the rafters in my garage. When I get home tonight I will skin and gut them both.

Gotta find a nice recipe for hare. Any suggestions.

I've heard they are real nice to eat.

I've been going out at various times of the day for the past 2 weeks and these are the first hares I have managed to get. Seen them lots of times but never had the oppotunity to take a safe shot at them (I'm very concious of where I am shooting all the time).

So now I have taken wild turkeys from the area and hares. Supplimenting my diet with wild game cant be bad for me.

Slowly building my fitness back up so I can once again go back out after wild pig and deer.

Chris

Mr Merde

10th January 2008, 08:28

scumdog

10th January 2008, 08:33

Mr Merde, treat the hare as you would fallow venison and you won't go wrong.

Cut into cubes and slow cassaroled is my favourite:niceone:, any similar recipe will do.

Don't hang it for days and days as you hear, (it will only put you off hare) just a day or two in a cooler fly-free area at the most at this time of year.

Mr Merde

10th January 2008, 08:42

doc

10th January 2008, 17:55

Did the ballistic table help?

Yep worked a treat. Originally shooting too high, we zeroed inch high at 50m. Corrected with your tables
Got 6 Hares with 7 shots 50 to 150 meters. Hares are easy prey round here not much shooting done, and they are pretty stupid. Even got a red hind down your way (Glen Murray) That's at the home kill guy's chiller, we want a proper job .

Mr Merde, treat the hare as you would fallow venison and you won't go wrong.

Cut into cubes and slow cassaroled is my favourite:niceone:, any similar recipe will do.

Don't hang it for days and days as you hear, (it will only put you off hare) just a day or two in a cooler fly-free area at the most at this time of year.

Yeah I think people try to get too fancy with small game, skin it, cool it, dice it, simple marinade overnite, put it in the crockpot, use it for a pie filling. I will hunt up a Fish and Game type posh recipe for the Hare fillets and PM you.

Mr Merde

10th January 2008, 22:09

Yep worked a treat. Originally shooting too high, we zeroed inch high at 50m. Corrected with your tables
Got 6 Hares with 7 shots 50 to 150 meters. Hares are easy prey round here not much shooting done, and they are pretty stupid. Even got a red hind down your way (Glen Murray) That's at the home kill guy's chiller, we want a proper job .

Yeah I think people try to get too fancy with small game, skin it, cool it, dice it, simple marinade overnite, put it in the crockpot, use it for a pie filling. I will hunt up a Fish and Game type posh recipe for the Hare fillets and PM you.

Glad they worked. Great believer in ballistic tables. I had to guess some of the information for you. Such as the BC of the bullet, temperature and altitude. Also the initial velocity of the projectile. Wind table is for a 5mph cross wind (8kph).

Swoop

10th January 2008, 22:28

Cannot remember if this (http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob93.html) has been posted before.
Massad Ayoob once again doing his stuff, police style.
Interesting .38 stuff.

Wolf

15th January 2008, 12:54

Cannot remember if this (http://www.backwoodshome.com/articles2/ayoob93.html) has been posted before.
Massad Ayoob once again doing his stuff, police style.
Interesting .38 stuff.
I've certainly read it before but I can't recall if it was linked off this thread or I found it while googling.

Great article, Massad Ayoob is always a brilliant read. I bought his "In Gravest Extreme" and it was superb. Short book but very much to the point.

When I dig it out again I'll loan it to my niece who's recently become a cop. If she ever has to draw in the line of duty, I'd prefer she had the advice of (arguably) the world's greatest expert on self defence and police training in mind.

scumdog

15th January 2008, 16:17

When I dig it out again I'll loan it to my niece who's recently become a cop. If she ever has to draw in the line of duty, I'd prefer she had the advice of (arguably) the world's greatest expert on self defence and police training in mind.

My credo: Aim as staight as posible and keep firing until the fkr complies with my instructions. ("Stop, get down on the ground")

Something I DIDN'T learn at training BTW.

sAsLEX

15th January 2008, 16:26

My credo: Aim as staight as posible and keep firing until the fkr complies with my instructions. ("Stop, get down on the ground")

Something I DIDN'T learn at training BTW.

We get taught that.

Thought that would be SOPs for Cops....... empty mags in to the bugger until they are no longer a threat?

jrandom

20th January 2008, 21:27

Finally shot my M14 clone, the Norinco M305, today.

Drove down to Mr Merde's place in Onewhero for a play. Gosh, I wish I lived in the countryside! Wide open spaces. Sigh.

Anyway.

I haven't shot an M1, M1A or M14 before, and IMHO, the M305 shoots very softly. Very little perceived recoil for a .308. Nice trigger pull; heavy, but clean, with a short initial takeup and then what feels like about a 7lb break. Not quite as crisp as a Sako or Savage, of course, but we are talking a Chinese copy of an American military rifle, and for what it is, it feels great. A gentle push back into the shoulder and a nice smooth BOOM from the muzzle.

I'd need a quiet morning with a spotting scope to put a few hundred rounds through it and get a feel for the iron sights before I could confidently comment on its accuracy, but it certainly gives the impression of being MOA-capable.

We had no difficulty plinking out palm-sized bundles of holes at 100m, sitting and prone. Mr Merde managed a 1-inch 3-round group at one point.

Absolutely no hassles with feeding and firing, apart from the fact that the supplied five-round magazines were a very tight fit; it took a bit of shooting and playing around to get them inserting properly every time. The twenty-round magazines the rifle was designed to take would be a lot easier to work with.

On the whole, once I got the hang of loading it and locking the mag home, it felt like it'd be just about impossible to jam or misfeed. About as bullet-proof (sic) as an automatic 30-calibre rifle gets.

On the whole, the Norinco M305 is about the best value for money one can get in a new rifle at the moment, I'd say. A lovely little piece of carefully-replicated history. Apparently there are a fair few left in the country for sale still (you can get them from Sportways and Reloaders in Auckland, and Gun City in Christchurch) and they're going for $900 - $1000.

If you can scrape the cash together, guys, just buy one. You'll keep it forever and never regret it.

My one's going to see a lot of service at matches and drop a fair few four-legged beasties over the coming decades, that's for sure.

:niceone:

Yes, it is an exact M14 copy, right down to the receiver cutouts (hidden by the M305's wooden stock) that accept a rock 'n' roll selector switch...

jrandom

20th January 2008, 21:31

deanohit

20th January 2008, 22:39

Oh, yeah, I posted it to another thread, but that'll disappear in the mists of time, so here, for posterity, is my four-year-old son shooting Mr Merde's M1 carbine (he was much more interested in the M1 than the .22 - a boy after my own heart):
Now that is cool mate! Another young shooter.:headbang: Great to hear your pleased with your new rifle, they look damn good. What is the wood work like?
The wood on my Norinco JW-15 is pretty average and I'll be making a new stock for it out of native timber as soon as possible. I'm bringing it back up with me and hope to get into 1 or 2 bunny & possum blocks up around Tauranga. If not, I'll be just as happy at the range. :ar15:

jrandom

20th January 2008, 22:47

What is the wood work like?

Very average.

I'll be looking for a nice synthetic stock forthwith.

ManDownUnder

21st January 2008, 15:11

Very average.

I'll be looking for a nice synthetic stock forthwith.

LOL all good mate.

Where to get good stocks from? I love (and will get) a 77/22 at some point but the stock looks naff in the extreme (to my eye anyway). Wooden stock wanted... but where from?

Edit forget that - just found one online... (MR Google is very good...!)
DOH!

chris

21st January 2008, 15:18

jrandom

21st January 2008, 15:32

Just after some advice please. I have a Ruger 10/22 fitted with a Bushnell 9x40 that needs zeroing. I've always been a shotgun man so the little semi auto is something new to me, as is zeroing. Can anyone help me out with an easy fix or point me in the right direction of someone who can help?

Measure out 25 yards. Put a piece of paper up on a board at that distance with a mark in the middle.

Put your crosshairs on the mark and pull the trigger. Shoot 3-round groups. Use a rest for the rifle so that you're not relying so much on your ability to hold it steady. Observe where the holes are grouped around.

The click-adjustments on your scope should be quarter-minute of angle. That means that four clicks move your point of aim one quarter inch to the left at 25 yards. Click your scope's clickers up, down and round about as required until your 3-round groups are centered on the mark in the middle of the paper.

Et voila, your scope is zeroed.

Enjoy!

Mr Merde

21st January 2008, 15:38

Another way is to again have the rifle supported on sandbags.

Get one of thos cheap laser the go on key chains and put it in the breech.

The light should show a dot on the target.

Centre the crosshairs on the dot.

Take out the laser.

Test fire and fine tune

chris

21st January 2008, 15:41

Measure out 25 yards. Put a piece of paper up on a board at that distance with a mark in the middle.

Put your crosshairs on the mark and pull the trigger. Shoot 3-round groups. Use a rest for the rifle so that you're not relying so much on your ability to hold it steady. Observe where the holes are grouped around.

The click-adjustments on your scope should be quarter-minute of angle. That means that four clicks move your point of aim one quarter inch to the left at 25 yards. Click your scope's clickers up, down and round about as required until your 3-round groups are centered on the mark in the middle of the paper.

Et voila, your scope is zeroed.

Enjoy!
OK. I'd read all sorts of stuff about pre-zeroing and bore sighting first of all. I suppose I could use a Black and Decker work bench thingy to hold the rifle steady?

Mr Merde

21st January 2008, 15:48

OK. I'd read all sorts of stuff about pre-zeroing and bore sighting first of all. I suppose I could use a Black and Decker work bench thingy to hold the rifle steady?

Sounds like it will work just dont fire the rifle whilst in the workbench thingy

jrandom

21st January 2008, 15:52

OK. I'd read all sorts of stuff about pre-zeroing and bore sighting first of all. I suppose I could use a Black and Decker work bench thingy to hold the rifle steady?

Bore sighting is what Mr Merde's talking about.

Personally, I don't have a laser pointer, so I find it easier to take a plink at 25 yards, and if the scope's so far out that the shot's off the paper, move in closer until the shot's on target and adjust from there.

(For a .22LR, bullets hitting bang on point of aim at 25 yards is what you want.)

Entirely up to you which way you do it. :)

chris

21st January 2008, 15:53

Sounds like it will work just dont fire the rifle whilst in the workbench thingy

Aaah, so that's not good then?

Mr Merde

21st January 2008, 15:55

Aaah, so that's not good then?

Could scratch your woodwork on the rifle if it recoils and everything does recoil.

As a shotgunner you should know that.

chris

21st January 2008, 15:58

Newton's third law. I presumed you meant that it was not ideal to gain the grouping.

It's the 10/22 all weather carbine so it's mainly plastic and spends time strapped to the quad anyway.

jrandom

21st January 2008, 16:05

It's the 10/22 all weather carbine so it's mainly plastic and spends time strapped to the quad anyway.

You shouldn't need to clamp it down, you'll have to adjust it between shots anyway, just rest the forestock on something softish and hold your aim point by hand and eye, at 25 yards that should be a doddle.

chris

22nd January 2008, 09:47

You shouldn't need to clamp it down, you'll have to adjust it between shots anyway, just rest the forestock on something softish and hold your aim point by hand and eye, at 25 yards that should be a doddle.
OK, I'm gonna give that go. Need to make more head shots on the rabbits so the meat isn't wasted!

Anyone here use a dog or dogs for retrieving?

scumdog

22nd January 2008, 10:06

Newton's third law. I presumed you meant that it was not ideal to gain the grouping.

It's the 10/22 all weather carbine so it's mainly plastic and spends time strapped to the quad anyway.

Re your scope: a 9 X 40 is waaay too much scope to be practical on a .22 - a 4 X 40 is any amount, a 6 X 40 would be the limit.

Oh, and about 23mm high at 50metres will have you back on target again at 70meters. (IF my memory serves me well).

Get the book "The 22 Rifle" - well worth a read.

jrandom

22nd January 2008, 10:09

Re your scope: a 9 X 40 is waaay too much scope to be practical on a .22 - a 4 X 40 is any amount, a 6 X 40 would be the limit.

Tell that to a certain KBer who's just put a 24X on his .17HMR!

I agree with you on a 4X scope being ideal for shooting at small, moving targets within 100m. And I'm not a fan of cheap adjustable scopes; the optics are invariably shit. The plain Tasco 4X models do the job quite well, though.

chris

22nd January 2008, 10:13

Tell that to a certain KBer who's just put a 24X on his .17HMR!

I agree with you on a 4X scope being ideal for shooting at small, moving targets within 100m. And I'm not a fan of cheap adjustable scopes; the optics are invariably shit. The plain Tasco 4X models do the job quite well, though.
Err, yeah. Targets seem to move around a lot more in a big scope! But that's what is fitted so that's what I'll stick with. Gonna have a go at zeroing in tonight.

scumdog

22nd January 2008, 10:17

Tell that to a certain KBer who's just put a 24X on his .17HMR!

I bet a 24X is just dandy for an evenings stroll pinging bunnies!!

17 will have a waay longer range than most .22s - and the parralax error of a scope designed for use at longer ranges will cause problems when most of your shooting is at 20 to 65 metres.

(removes bi-focals, smooths hair, tucks tri-colour biro into pocket protector of white lab coat and leaves room)

jrandom

22nd January 2008, 10:21

(removes bi-focals, smooths hair, tucks tri-colour biro into pocket protector of white lab coat and leaves room)

... to pick your anorak off the coat hook in the hallway, I expect?

scumdog

22nd January 2008, 10:23

... to pick your anorak off the coat hook in the hallway, I expect?

And pootle off home in my 2CV...

Swoop

22nd January 2008, 12:10

I have a 3-9x on the 10/22.
Shootin' = 3x.
Lookin' = 9x.

jrandom

22nd January 2008, 12:10

I have a 3-9x on the 10/22.

Tasco?<tencharacters>

scumdog

22nd January 2008, 12:13

I have a 3-9x on the 10/22.
Shootin' = 3x.
Lookin' = 9x.

Likewise, I have a Gevarm .22 with a 3 to 9, hence my knowledge of the suitability (or otherwise) of a 9X scope.

Swoop

22nd January 2008, 12:24

Tasco?<tencharacters>
Pffft!

Leupold is the only glassware I carry.
(3-9x = less glassware to carry... no binos' for spotting)

Smokin

22nd January 2008, 13:55

Tell that to a certain KBer who's just put a 24X on his .17HMR!

I have a 6x24x42 on my 17HMR too, love it to bits.

sAsLEX

22nd January 2008, 16:33

I bet a 24X is just dandy for an evenings stroll pinging bunnies!!

17 will have a waay longer range than most .22s - and the parralax error of a scope designed for use at longer ranges will cause problems when most of your shooting is at 20 to 65 metres.

(removes bi-focals, smooths hair, tucks tri-colour biro into pocket protector of white lab coat and leaves room)

That depends on where the scope is aimed at. If you have the aim point true at 30m and shoot at 30m there will be no problem.....

Likewise, I have a Gevarm .22 with a 3 to 9, hence my knowledge of the suitability (or otherwise) of a 9X scope.

Ah the Gevarm, Dad has one I used growing up, on the neighbours one the pin that holds the bolt back after firing was a little worn so it would go

bang.......... bang............. bangbangbangbang and empty the mag on auto....:gob:

ManDownUnder

23rd January 2008, 08:48

Tell that to a certain KBer who's just put a 24X on his .17HMR!

I agree with you on a 4X scope being ideal for shooting at small, moving targets within 100m. And I'm not a fan of cheap adjustable scopes; the optics are invariably shit. The plain Tasco 4X models do the job quite well, though.

Dat's me! And for them bunnies to stand no chance at 75 to 150m it's just the setup to have. I was sighting them in and happily overlapping .17 sized holes at 25m... 0.7" low blah blah blah.

Speaking which, I found an awesome writeup on the .17HMR performance... from so many perspectives.

http://www.varmintal.com/17hmr.htm

FilthyLuka

24th January 2008, 11:33

hey fella's

Im lookin at investing in a de-bunnyfication device in a few months time. Im currently shooting a Walther Match rifle (LGR) but thats balls out target rifle and doesn't really work well for anything else.

That is what im gonna be comparing accuracy against. To put it simply, i have little trouble getting 9 out of ten shots in the bulls eye consistently with the walther (25meter target standing). I don't think i can get a de-bunnifying rifle with similar accuracy to the walther but close would be nice :)

Anyway, i've been looking at the 22 range of things. After going for a shoot with a ruger 10/22 i cant say im too impressed, would prefer a bolt.

Was originally looking at an anschutz 1451, but that would be illogical for what ill be using it for (hunting the fuzzies)

Anyway, i've gone through and found my favorite rifles in each of the calibers im lookin at (22 LR, 22 magnum, 17 HMR)

22 LR, marlin 980s, sythnetic stock with stainless

http://www.guncity.co.nz/22-marlin-980s-stainless-synthetic-bolt-action-xidp130781.html

pretty good i guess

22 magnum, Savage 93fss

http://www.guncity.co.nz/22-magnum-savage-93fss-stainless-package-xidp179860.html

Again, pretty good. Like this idea 'cause of the included supressor and scope. haven't really heard anything bad about 22 magnum

and last but not least

17HMR, Anschutz 1517

http://www.guncity.co.nz/17hmr-anschutz-1517d-standard-model-xidp179911.html

Expensive, but i don't mind paying for good kit.

So far i like the Anschutz the best. 17HMR sounds good for what im gonna be doing with it and i know anschutz make decent (also pretty accurate) rifles

Now, the question i have for you folk...

WHICH CALIBER?

i like anschutz purely because i've had good experiences with that brand. 17hmr sounds pretty hot, never fired 22 magnum and 22 lr is, well, 22 lr.

What do you guys think would best suit for some de-bunnying at relatively decent ranges?

Cheers

Denis

Weaver

24th January 2008, 12:11

For rabbits I use a Stirling .22 magnum, with a Nikko Stirling Mountmaster scope and a bipod. It does it job perfectly. Better range and hitting power than a normal .22, ammo is four times dearer though.

Weaver

24th January 2008, 12:15

Ah the Gevarm, Dad has one I used growing up, on the neighbours one the pin that holds the bolt back after firing was a little worn so it would go

bang.......... bang............. bangbangbangbang and empty the mag on auto....:gob:

You can do this with alot of semi-autos if you carefully select just the right ammo. You need the round to be able to push the bolt back just far enough so that it can eject the old case and pick up the new one, but not far enough for it to cock properly. The end result is the bolt slamming fresh rounds in with the firing pin still foward.

scumdog

24th January 2008, 17:54

You can do this with alot of semi-autos if you carefully select just the right ammo. You need the round to be able to push the bolt back just far enough so that it can eject the old case and pick up the new one, but not far enough for it to cock properly. The end result is the bolt slamming fresh rounds in with the firing pin still foward.

ONE of my Gevarms is a take-down model with 20 shot mag and measures 765mm in length without silencer, my No. 1 'sneak' rifle, many a beast it has dropped.

It works on the open-bolt system, has no firing-pin, extractor etc.
Made it full auto when I was a boy - 20 shots in one .20 of a second 'brrrrp'.

NO accuracy after 1st shot so re-semi'd it.

Swoop

24th January 2008, 19:28

Im lookin at investing in a de-bunnyfication device...
I note that your links are from guncity in Chch. Bloody expensive buggers.
Go to Reloaders Supplies in Onehunga. Far better prices and you won't have to pay for freight, either.

Swoop

25th January 2008, 07:54

Coming onto TV this Saturday (26th).
TV1 9.45pm.

Deer Wars. A documentary about the deer culling from helicopters during the 60's and 70's.
An hour and a half long. Looks damn interesting!

scumdog

25th January 2008, 08:06

Coming onto TV this Saturday (26th).
TV1 9.45pm.

Deer Wars. A documentary about the deer culling from helicopters during the 60's and 70's.
An hour and a half long. Looks damn interesting!

Aargh!:crybaby:
Will be at the woodstock rally - best I get the mother-in-law to video it for me.

Mr Merde

30th January 2008, 13:56

http://www.cornellpubs.com/Newsletter%20Images/Foxhunt.jpg (http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/Newsletter%20Images/Foxhunt.jpg)

Not fair on those poor bunnies.

The Pastor

4th February 2008, 10:11

Anyone know a good gun club / rifle range in auckland / north shore I can join? Im thinking about getting my firearms licence. Printed out my application and arms code.

being auckland/north shore, I imagine most of my shooting will be at a range, what type of rifle would be ok for a beginner? Im thinking a 223?

What sort of price range would a 223 (or simerlar) go for? I don't want to spend mega bucks on some wanky rifle. (a la pistol club members hehe) but a scope would be nice

jrandom

4th February 2008, 10:19

Anyone know a good gun club / rifle range in auckland / north shore I can join? Im thinking about getting my firearms licence. Printed out my application and arms code.

You don't need to join a gun club to get your basic firearms licence. Just go to the Takapuna police station (call ahead to check when the Arms Officer will be in) and fill in the form to start the process.

Get onto it sooner rather than later. It takes 3-4 months from the day you walk into that office to the day your firearms licence arrives in the mail.

being auckland/north shore, I imagine most of my shooting will be at a range, what type of rifle would be ok for a beginner? Im thinking a 223?

Once you finally get that firearms licence, buy a .22LR.

You can get a nice little Norinco JW14 bolt action .22 with a Tasco 4X scope for $350 at most Auckland gunshops. I recommend dealing with Sportways Gun Shed in Mt Eden.

A cheap first .22 will let you get your hand in, learn the basics without spending gobs of money, and figure out where you want to go next in your shooting career.

:niceone:

The Pastor

4th February 2008, 10:34

You don't need to join a gun club to get your basic firearms licence. Just go to the Takapuna police station (call ahead to check when the Arms Officer will be in) and fill in the form to start the process.

Get onto it sooner rather than later. It takes 3-4 months from the day you walk into that office to the day your firearms licence arrives in the mail.

I know I don't have to join a club, but where else will I shoot it? I'd prefer to own a farm, but im a city boy :(

Once you finally get that firearms licence, buy a .22LR.

You can get a nice little Norinco JW14 bolt action .22 with a Tasco 4X scope for $350 at most Auckland gunshops. I recommend dealing with Sportways Gun Shed in Mt Eden.

A cheap first .22 will let you get your hand in, learn the basics without spending gobs of money, and figure out where you want to go next in your shooting career.

:niceone:

Yeah you have a good point, Everyone has a 22 so its probably a good idea to start out on one.

Mr Merde

4th February 2008, 14:06

I know I don't have to join a club, but where else will I shoot it? I'd prefer to own a farm, but im a city boy :(

So where do you live? There are people here in Auckland who have space to shoot. How far would you travel?

Yeah you have a good point, Everyone has a 22 so its probably a good idea to start out on one.

.22 is perfect to start out. Cheap to maintain, cheap to feed, accurate, not punishing on the shooter.

It also allows you to learn basic safety and handling before going on to the heavier calibers. Not that I can say much as I was started on .303 at 300 yards.

The Pastor

4th February 2008, 14:58

.22 is perfect to start out. Cheap to maintain, cheap to feed, accurate, not punishing on the shooter.

It also allows you to learn basic safety and handling before going on to the heavier calibers. Not that I can say much as I was started on .303 at 300 yards.
I live on the north shore. I don't know anywhere to go shooting at, although i guess I'll meet some at the rifle range.

I think i will start out on a .22, I would like a rifle with a bit more range but I guess I'll have to be able to shoot accuratly on the small calliber before i can move up.

My mates sks was a blast tho :D

Mr Merde

4th February 2008, 15:10

I live on the north shore. I don't know anywhere to go shooting at, although i guess I'll meet some at the rifle range.

I think i will start out on a .22, I would like a rifle with a bit more range but I guess I'll have to be able to shoot accuratly on the small calliber before i can move up.

My mates sks was a blast tho :D

When you get your licence and rifle give me a call. I have a small 100 m bit of land I use for sighting in.

Just had the go ahead by the local farmer to do some 500-1000 yard shooting.

jrandom

4th February 2008, 15:30

I think i will start out on a .22, I would like a rifle with a bit more range but I guess I'll have to be able to shoot accuratly on the small calliber before i can move up.

Good call. Learning to shoot with a heavy caliber is a great way to develop a lifelong habit of flinching and jerking the trigger, which is a Bad Thing.

And you'll never regret owning a .22LR. Buy one now, and you'll keep it forever, regardless of what other calibers and styles of rifle you purchase in the future.

My mates sks was a blast tho

Great fun to shoot, eh? I'm not really a fan of SKSs and AKs myself, though.

If you do make plans to visit Mr Merde's place for a plink or head to, say, the NZDA's Riverhead rifle range (that's what you should do - join the NZ Deerstalkers Association) let me know, and I'll either lend you (if you have your licence) or bring along (if you don't) my Norinco M305 (the M14 clone). Now there's a proper rifle.

The Pastor

4th February 2008, 15:47

Good call. Learning to shoot with a heavy caliber is a great way to develop a lifelong habit of flinching and jerking the trigger, which is a Bad Thing.

And you'll never regret owning a .22LR. Buy one now, and you'll keep it forever, regardless of what other calibers and styles of rifle you purchase in the future.

Great fun to shoot, eh? I'm not really a fan of SKSs and AKs myself, though.

If you do make plans to visit Mr Merde's place for a plink or head to, say, the NZDA's Riverhead rifle range (that's what you should do - join the NZ Deerstalkers Association) let me know, and I'll either lend you (if you have your licence) or bring along (if you don't) my Norinco M305 (the M14 clone). Now there's a proper rifle.
so the river head range is a good one? I'll give them a call sometime and have a chat. Infact I think I may just know somone who goes there.

Thanks merde and jrandom, i'll call you up on your offers when I get my stuff sorted.

deanohit

4th February 2008, 17:49

Yea RM, a .22 will be a great starting point for you man. In fact a .22 is all I have at the mo'.
Gave my shotty and .222 to my brother as I don't use them much.
How ever the .22 gets used as much as possible as it is such a versatile little rifle, indoor or outdoor range, silenced or not, bunnys and possums, and once you've got some skill, goats, wallabies and small pigs are reasonably easy.
And they're cheap to buy and shoot! Cheap ammo ($50-500 rounds) lets you shoot heaps and heaps of rounds to get used to it and shooting straight.
Good luck mate.

Mr Merde

4th February 2008, 23:01

I am trying hard to finish my rebuilt 1874 Remington Rolling Block.

I have had the action cleaned and smoothed internally, I have had a 34" full octagonal Badger barrel fitted an had the inlets made for the front sight and the forearm tenon. I have ordered a Shutzen buttplate from the US. 2lb of sand cast brass.

I have purchased some very nice walnut blanks. Air dried for 10 years.

Now I need to have the stock either made for me or major advice as to how to go about doing so myself.

So I am posting here for any help I can get.

Anyone here a stock maker or an accomplished woodworker?

Help !!!

Wolf

5th February 2008, 00:18

Good call. Learning to shoot with a heavy caliber is a great way to develop a lifelong habit of flinching and jerking the trigger, which is a Bad Thing.
Add to that the fact you will never get in the amount of practise with a heavier cal that you would with the humble .22lr - a $50 ammo budget equates to bugger all in the heavier calibres but 500 rounds of .22lr. If you shelled out 500 bucks on heavy cal ammo to become proficient with a firearm you could have put 5000 rounds through a .22.

Later, the skills you've learned on the "humble" .22 mean it'll take you significantly less ammo to become a deadly shot with a heavier calibre weapon (you'd already know how to shoot, you'd just be getting used to the different weapon.)

And you'll never regret owning a .22LR. Buy one now, and you'll keep it forever, regardless of what other calibers and styles of rifle you purchase in the future.
Regrettably, I don't have my first rifle- a .22 single-shot Gecado. I sold it so I could afford a .22 semi-auto Anschutz.

Then I sold that because I'd purchased a 5-shot bolt action .22 Brno threaded for a moderator and I found the Brno was a far better weapon for dealing to pests than the semi (the killing of one didn't scare off all the others when I put sub-sonic ammo through the Brno with moderator attached).

I swear by the .22 - definitely a tool not a toy. I'd love another single-shot like my old Gecado that can quickly be broken down for easy transport - it'd be a great survival tool.

Best of luck getting your licence, RM. Get yourself a nice reputable .22 (the Brno is really good) and whack a couple of thousand rounds through it. That'll get you a good grounding in firearms handling that'll set you up for life.

IMO - and others' mileage may well vary - forget getting a scope at first and learn with the iron sights. The scope magnifies the target but it also magnifies every minute wobble of your hands when you're starting out learning how to shoot. It can be very distracting and disheartening, watching the cross hair cavorting and bouncing across the target, and lead to frustration. Don't put a scope on the weapon until you're already fairly accurate with the open sights.

deanohit

5th February 2008, 08:54

IMO - and others' mileage may well vary - forget getting a scope at first and learn with the iron sights. The scope magnifies the target but it also magnifies every minute wobble of your hands when you're starting out learning how to shoot. It can be very distracting and disheartening, watching the cross hair cavorting and bouncing across the target, and lead to frustration. Don't put a scope on the weapon until you're already fairly accurate with the open sights.

A good low powered scope can be more beneficial IMO, as it gives a good clear sight picture to aim at.
4x32 is a handy size, I find mine good for close up shots while I can still use it for the longer shots, but my eyes are shit and I cant focus with iron sights. :ar15:

ghost

5th February 2008, 14:07

I still run a 2.5 on my BRNO .22. Shoots a straight as the next thing and it dont wobble so much. The only down side is the long shots at possums are harder to take cos the recticle covers most small targets at longer ranges. I've got a 2-7 leupold on my ruger, but mostly shoot on x3 or x4.
If you want to do some spot lighting a scope is far easier than open sights, but depends what your after, easier to shoot moving targets with open sights............ I should stop prattling on, it not like I shot anything in that last few months.......

Wolf

5th February 2008, 21:47

If you want to do some spot lighting a scope is far easier than open sights,
Anything's got to be easier than having the rifle stock against your shoulder, held "stable" only by the right hand as the left hand is holding the torch above the head so as to hopefully cast some light on the iron sights as well as the possum, and hoping that the random jiggling of your hands would line up the light and the sights on the red eyes for long enough to take a shot.

Dunno if it was me or the possum that was most surprised that I managed to hit it. I figure the possum's surprise was pretty short-lived.

Matt Bleck

6th February 2008, 10:47

I'm not a gun type person...... but fook me I think I am neow!!!

I want one!!

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jrandom

6th February 2008, 11:00

Still doesn't look as sexy as a SPAS-12...

Brett

6th February 2008, 12:34

That is awesome!

EJK

6th February 2008, 12:38

:drool:

I'll take it! :D

irishlad

6th February 2008, 13:48

Can I get that on a class A license?

After all its just a shotgun :msn-wink:

DMNTD

6th February 2008, 13:52

Add to cart...

EJK

6th February 2008, 14:11

Add to cart...

Buy Now

+10

limbimtimwim

6th February 2008, 14:25

I'm going to take the contra postion and say, that's disgusting.

Steam

6th February 2008, 14:33

Great, just what the USA needs, another murderously dangerous weapon.
I wonder how many people in a school or mall could be murdered with that thing before the police arrived. 20? 30? Maybe 100 innocent people?
Why the fuck do Americans say they are a peace-loving nation, when all the evidence says they fucking love guns, bombs, landmines, and killing people.

And despite making a brand new object with only one use - killing people, I bet the designer calls himself a "Christian", a "Family Man" and a "Patriot".

The Pastor

6th February 2008, 14:46

EJK

6th February 2008, 14:50

its for the army you nub

rofl!! :rofl:

Owned...

Bling awarded

limbimtimwim

6th February 2008, 14:59

its for the army you nubSo was the AK-47.

While it is unlikely that device will ever end up as prevalent as the AK-47, things can 'go missing'. And by 'go missing' I mean sold on the black market by a dodgy soldier who would like some extra cash.

Also the comparison with the AK-47 is probably a bit unfair since the communists were giving them to those they supported.

sAsLEX

6th February 2008, 15:09

Prefer some range

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Steam

6th February 2008, 15:10

its for the army you nub

God, you are so naive. Every week I learn a new way in which you are a dumb fuck.
What's to stop them selling it to civilians and making a zillion dollars from the sales? They already have literally millions of semi's and automatics over there, there's nothing to stop them producing this for the home market.

sAsLEX

6th February 2008, 15:10

So was the AK-47.

While it is unlikely that device will ever end up as prevalent as the AK-47, things can 'go missing'. And by 'go missing' I mean sold on the black market by a dodgy soldier who would like some extra cash.

Also the comparison with the AK-47 is probably a bit unfair since the communists were giving them to those they supported.

Diesel and fertiliser are all you need to make a fuckin big mess, should we ban them as well?

deanohit

6th February 2008, 15:11

Meh, give me a .22 rifle any day.

The Pastor

6th February 2008, 15:22

God, you are so naive. Every week I learn a new way in which you are a dumb fuck.
What's to stop them selling it to civilians and making a zillion dollars from the sales? They already have literally millions of semi's and automatics over there, there's nothing to stop them producing this for the home market.
I didnt realise in the states you can buy militry spec wepons.

Steam

6th February 2008, 15:26

Course you can, semis can be converted to full auto with a $5 part.

deanohit

6th February 2008, 15:27

Course you can, semis can be converted to full auto with a $5 part.

Depending on the weapon, can be as simple as removing a part. :ar15:

limbimtimwim

6th February 2008, 15:42

Diesel and fertiliser are all you need to make a fuckin big mess, should we ban them as well?No. The issue for me here is that device is only designed for killing people.

sAsLEX

6th February 2008, 15:49

No. The issue for me here is that device is only designed for killing people.

Would you prefer the armed forces used hugs and care bears in battle?

Smokin

6th February 2008, 16:04

I think we could win the Alexandra Bunny Shoot with a couple of these.

limbimtimwim

6th February 2008, 16:06

Would you prefer the armed forces used hugs and care bears in battle?It would be a start.
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The Pastor

6th February 2008, 16:07

guns dont kill people, RAPPERS DO!

sAsLEX

6th February 2008, 17:13

guns dont kill people, RAPPERS DO!

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deanohit

6th February 2008, 17:35

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Matt Bleck

6th February 2008, 18:31

:jerry: :jerry:

Timber020

6th February 2008, 18:49

Arent shotguns illegal according to the geneva convention?

sAsLEX

6th February 2008, 18:55

Arent shotguns illegal according to the geneva convention?

Dont think so we use them, RNZN

emaN

6th February 2008, 19:01

I'm not a gun type person...... but fook me I think I am neow!!!
welcome to my world:cool:

my i suggest those of you mentioning 'gun crazy usa' take a look at the Violent Crime rates for the US of A...

and then, just for fun, compare them to lil' ol' NZ's.

you'll be (un)pleasantly surprised.

Swoop

6th February 2008, 19:12

Still doesn't look as sexy as a SPAS-12...
So long as looks are the main criteria. Grossly over-engineered and under-performing.

Great, just what the USA needs, another murderously dangerous weapon.

And despite making a brand new object with only one use - killing people, I bet the designer calls himself a "Christian", a "Family Man" and a "Patriot".
I bet Henry Ford could be accused of the same thing...

Course you can, semis can be converted to full auto with a $5 part.
Buahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!:rofl:
Fuggin hilarious!

PirateJafa

6th February 2008, 19:32

Looks like the magazine holds just enough shells for your average classroom. That's me sold.

Steam

6th February 2008, 20:19

Buahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!:rofl:
Fuggin hilarious!

Okay, so I don't know much about converting guns from semi to auto. I'm just going on what a "friend of mine" did, he ordered a whole new... thingy for his wotsit, as he couldn't file off the bit wot does the thing so it can go full auto. Or something. All I know is the part he ordered cost less than the price of the postage.

Steam

6th February 2008, 20:53

my i suggest those of you mentioning 'gun crazy usa' take a look at the Violent Crime rates for the US of A...
and then, just for fun, compare them to lil' ol' NZ's.
you'll be (un)pleasantly surprised.

Here are gun-related deaths per 100,000 people in 1994:
United States 14.24
New Zealand 2.38

But that's not violent crime like you suggested, just deaths.
Violent crime as reported in a Ministry of Justice (hmm, dunno if I want to trust the ministry of justice) press-release in 2000 said:

“The rate of total recorded violent crime for America in 2000 was almost four times the rate for New Zealand. Using the American definitions of violent crime, the rate in the USA was 506.1 offences per 100,000 people compared to 132.6 in New Zealand. "
But maybe those figures have been massaged for political gain.
Only the police would know I suppose.

geoffm

6th February 2008, 21:50

Hmm, machine guns have been controlled in the US since 1934, with the National Firearms Act. Before that, you coudl order them from the Sears catalogue. You can than Al Capone and friends for that law. It did of course make absolutely no difference to the gangsters. I might add, it was the same here before 1920, when gun control laws were introduced (copied from the UK) due to fears of a Bolshieviek revolution. Crime had nothing to do with it.
Modifying your semi auto will get you a 10 year stretch in jail, as will unlicense d possesion of a full auto sear for a semi auto gun.
The BATF (Bureau of Alcohohl, Tabacco and Firearms - all the cool stuff in one package) bans and prosecutes any gun maker which sells guns which can be easily converted to full auto. The semi auto version of the Ingram Mac 10 and Mac 11 being one example.
Finally, if you are going to compare countries, perhaps consider that the US is a really big place, with gun laws varying to city level. Murder rates vary significantly in a similar manner and generally in inverse to the strictness of the laws. A direct comparison is irrelevant, as so many other factors come into account. Examples being the past murder capital of the US (New York) and current (I believe) Washington DC where handguns have been banned since 1911 and 1968 respectively. The US laws vary between states. Some have little more restrictions than that imposed federally, and others (such as California - that quiet haven of lawfullness) have stricter laws than NZ.
Finally, compare the non-gunmureder rate - it is still higher than elsewhere, showing that guns aren't required to kill people. IIRC most offenders are black or hispanic, in the cities and involved in the drug trade.
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homer

6th February 2008, 21:52

very cool

theres some weapons better
but i want one

reminds me of the one i wanted to make that you just cliped the belt feed on to the top
12 gauge belt fed what more could you want ....oh yeah now this

beats a stirling with a nail jamed in the sear and a 15 shot clip
:niceone:

Oh year and rotary mags are the way to go

sAsLEX

6th February 2008, 21:57

you call that a gun.... this is a gun

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EJK

6th February 2008, 22:26

rofl!!!!!!!!!!!!

scumdog

6th February 2008, 22:28

So was the AK-47.

Also the comparison with the AK-47 is probably a bit unfair since the communists were giving them to those they supported.

So that makes it alright huh?

dipshit

6th February 2008, 23:22

And despite making a brand new object with only one use - killing people, I bet the designer calls himself a "Christian", a "Family Man" and a "Patriot".

Of course he would. Perfect weapon for crowd control. Should be able to kill plenty of Muslims with one of these suckers! (or any other of the "other religions" for that matter) God bless America. :ar15: :devil2:

Swoop

7th February 2008, 08:34

Interesting to note where Blackwater is located...
I suppose the people slightly to the North had a lot of input into its design!

you call that a gun.... this is a gun
It isn't. It is a grenade launcher.:bleh:

nodrog

7th February 2008, 08:58

I'm not a gun type person...... but fook me I think I am neow!!!

I want one!!

can i borrow it at duck shooting season?

Mr Merde

7th February 2008, 09:20

Course you can, semis can be converted to full auto with a $5 part.

And a special licence that is bloody hard to get in the US.

Mr Merde

7th February 2008, 09:22

No. The issue for me here is that device is only designed for killing people.

So were darts, javelins, bows and arrrows, the shotput and the discus, lets ban the olympic games

Mr Merde

7th February 2008, 09:35

Arent shotguns illegal according to the geneva convention?

In WW1, once they entered, the US had regiments of men armed with shotguns.

Just imagine 200 + men with 8 shot pump action shotties all loaded with buckshot (.36 ball, 9). behind them another 200 + men just loading shotguns.

The German high command actually complained that it was a cruel and excessive weapon and lodged a complaint with whoever the Geneva Convention people were at this time.

In the meantime they thought it ok to use poison gas to maim and kill.

Needless to say the complaint wasnt upheldand shotguns have been a valuable and widely used military firearm for everything from jungle warefare to urban fighting.

scumdog

7th February 2008, 11:48

Needless to say the complaint wasnt upheldand shotguns have been a valuable and widely used military firearm for everything from jungle warefare to urban fighting.

The old mans platoons scouts in Malaya used Browning 5-shots autos loaded with SG buckshot back in the 50's.

They had to use solid brass shells due to humidity swelling the carboard ones and causing jams. (Plastic ones weren't around back then).

The Pastor

7th February 2008, 18:58

should i get a bolt action 22 or a semi? what are the pros and cons of each?

deanohit

7th February 2008, 21:33

Bolt for a first gun, makes you concentrate on bullet placement rather than filling the air with lead (Although it's fun!) and a good quality bolt gun can be had reasonably cheap.

scumdog

8th February 2008, 18:27

OK, I have one of those Chinese semi-auto .22s that look like and M1 carbine (I think it looks like one - sling-swivels on the side of the stock, barrel-band etc) and need a new magazine.
The present mag is plastic with a steel floor-plate but sadly mine has split.

Anybody know where I can get another one???

Smokin

8th February 2008, 18:42

Sounds like a Norinco to me, I would have thought most firearm dealers would be able to scratch one up for you. I know gun city sells them if that helps at all?

scumdog

9th February 2008, 04:21

Tried an ad in NZ Guns with no luck.

jrandom

9th February 2008, 12:09

Anybody know where I can get another one???

Call Reloaders Supplies (http://www.reloaders.co.nz/) in Auckland. They should be able to courier you those magazines at about $50 a pop.

ManDownUnder

9th February 2008, 12:37

should i get a bolt action 22 or a semi? what are the pros and cons of each?

I prefer bolt for 3 reasons:
1) Solid accurate action takes any slack out of the system (read "accuracy") and also doesn't take energy out of the system (speed power - although that point's debatable I think...)?
2) After squeezing the trigger the gun is safe. A big point for me as a shooter, or if I am shooting with someone I need to know that I am safe.
3) Teaches good placement of bullets because of point 2 above. It takes a few seconds to reload and you can't "just have another go" ... or 5...

scumdog

9th February 2008, 13:24

I prefer bolt for 3 reasons:
1) Solid accurate action takes any slack out of the system (read "accuracy") and also doesn't take energy out of the system (speed power - although that point's debatable I think...)?
2) After squeezing the trigger the gun is safe. A big point for me as a shooter, or if I am shooting with someone I need to know that I am safe.
3) Teaches good placement of bullets because of point 2 above. It takes a few seconds to reload and you can't "just have another go" ... or 5...

Re (1) above and 'take energy' - most semis lose more power from having a shorter barrel than a bolt than because of the the blow-back function - so don't worry on that aspect.

The other poits are good plus you can take the bolt out of a bolt action (no shit?) whereas a semi is tought to make safe and be visibly so.

The downside is I'm forever forgetting where I've 'secured' the bolts for my bolt-actions.:confused:

Swoop

9th February 2008, 16:35

The other poits are good plus you can take the bolt out of a bolt action (no shit?) whereas a semi is tought to make safe and be visibly so.
At range competitions, a great idea that someone came up with, was to cut up pieces of the blue sponge that you use for sleeping-bag underlay (what ever it is called) into pieces 4" long by 1" wide.
These are issued to every competitor and when not shooting it is placed into the ejection port of self-loading rifles.
Damn obvious that the firearm is safe.
Only removed at the firing point when told to "load".

Wolf

9th February 2008, 19:57

3) Teaches good placement of bullets because of point 2 above. It takes a few seconds to reload and you can't "just have another go" ... or 5...
Like a mate of mine using my semi - missed the shot, possum takes off along the branch with the guy firing as fast as he can, trying to track the possum along its path.

Last I saw of the possum was a bushy tail vanishing into a bush a few feet beyond and below the end of the branch - presumably completely unscathed aside from a few scrapes caused by leaping into the bush.

Good thing .22 ammo's dirt cheap - would hate to think what his lack of marksmanship and tendency to "go Rambo" would have cost me if it was a .308.

A single shot bolt action is great incentive to make sure you hit first time.

ManDownUnder

9th February 2008, 20:25

Like a mate of mine using my semi - missed the shot, possum takes off along the branch with the guy firing as fast as he can, trying to track the possum along its path.

LOL... gotta admit my major issue with that is where the lead is landing. First shot is controlled, safe miss zone etc, but shots 2+ have this amazing tendency to go damned near anywhere... "that way" off into the inky night.

Possum shooting is a good example of that downside, it's night - no visibility beyond the immediate and often done with stock and/or housing in range... not good.

Here endeth the safety lecture... I had it beaten into me as a kid (Sue Bradford - see.. a smack does do good!)

ManDownUnder

9th February 2008, 20:27

And a special licence that is bloody hard to get in the US.

...or take the KB/motorcycling approach..."License... wot license?"

Smokin

9th February 2008, 20:29

LOL... gotta admit my major issue with that is where the lead is landing. First shot is controlled, safe miss zone etc, but shots 2+ have this amazing tendency to go damned near anywhere... "that way" off into the inky night.

Thats why you should only go Rambo with a semi auto 12 gauge :Oops:

deanohit

9th February 2008, 20:33

Possum shooting is a good example of that downside, it's night - no visibility beyond the immediate and often done with stock and/or housing in range... not good.
And thats why I've never spotlighted in a place I haven't checked out thoroughly during the day time.
Heck, I want to be invited back to those blocks in the future, not fuck up some good contacts.

doc

9th February 2008, 20:37

the safety lecture... I had it beaten into me as a kid (Sue Bradford - see.. a smack does do good!)

Sorry you don't understand you only have to be safe or demonstrate safety now at the interview or renewal of the licences.

The Pastor

9th February 2008, 21:52

ok looks like i'll get a bolt action. Anyone know of any good deals?

jrandom

10th February 2008, 02:52

ok looks like i'll get a bolt action. Anyone know of any good deals?

Bolt action .22LR?

Norinco JW15. About $350 brand new bundled with a 4X Tasco scope at most gun shops.

Didn't I already post that?

:confused:

The Pastor

10th February 2008, 07:37

Bolt action .22LR?

Norinco JW15. About $350 brand new bundled with a 4X Tasco scope at most gun shops.

Didn't I already post that?

:confused:
are they not some cheap/crap chinese knock offs?

deanohit

10th February 2008, 08:11

are they not some cheap/crap chinese knock offs?

Hell no man, yep they're chinese and they're a knock off, but I've had almost 2000 rounds through mine (got it second hand in new condition), put quality ammo in it and it does every thing I want it too, accurate at 25, 50, out to 100 metres on a good day weather wise.
It now has some rust on it after my brother borrowed it with out me knowing (yes, he does have a licence) and didn't clean it properly, but so what, it's my general beater rifle.
They're easy to learn the shoot and maintain.
Only problem is it doesn't like rounds with a large hollow point in them, the point is too flat to load reliably, so I use small hollow points instead and opt instead for bullet placement instead of maximum damage.

The Pastor

10th February 2008, 08:14

ok looks like i i'll get a Norinco JW15, thanks jrandom & deano

Do they work with that hollow point grease/birdshot trick you were telling me about?

deanohit

10th February 2008, 08:17

ok looks like i i'll get a Norinco JW15, thanks jrandom & deano

Do they work with that hollow point grease/birdshot trick you were telling me about?

Yea, gotta leave the mag in and feed the bullet into the chamber by hand, the birdshot makes the round to long to fit into the mag. Still fun though! :yes:

ManDownUnder

10th February 2008, 08:21

are they not some cheap/crap chinese knock offs?

LOL cheap yes but the quality is actually ok (not excellent - but you gets what you pays for.). Keep in mind guns are different to bikes though. Cheap stuff (espcially a .22) will still last you 20 years+ if you maintain it reasonably and the accuracy is more than you are likely to have.

Buying quality (Winchester, Savage, BRNO,etc) will be a lifetime investment. They will literally outlast you.

Start cheap, get the hang of it and if/when you're ready to go upmarket do it. You'll have a greater understand of how often you'll shoot, if you really want a .22 etc.

Me personally... .22 is probably my favourite calibre. Cheap to feed, low maintenance (low barrel wear etc) and good for plinking rabbits and possums. Suitable challenging shall we say. I'm looking to go upmarket and get a stainless .22 (bolt action you'll note... which makes is damned hard to find one I like)... probably a Ruger 77/22.

Start small and cheap - decide what you like to do then take if tfrom there. It may be you prefer a semi auto, pump, lever, bolt or single shot but whatever it is, it needs to be a qualified decision. In the meantime get familiar with shooting, hone your skills and work out what style of shooting you prefer.

It's a lot like motorcycling.

The Pastor

10th February 2008, 08:32

some sound advice thanks guys. Going to pay my $123.50 today.

jrandom

10th February 2008, 10:47

are they not some cheap/crap chinese knock offs?

Cheap, but not crap. Norinco don't really do original firearm designs; they copy well-proven ones. The JW15 is a copy of the Brno .22, which is an excellent rifle.

Same deal goes for my Norinco M305, a copy of the American M-14.

Norinco also make well-regarded clones of the Colt 1911 .45 pistol.

Generally, you'll find that a Norinco firearm has somewhat rough exterior finish and a trigger pull that may or may not be particularly good, but they'll shoot straight and reliably and last well. At the price they sell for, you really can't go wrong having one or two in your gunrack.

deanohit

10th February 2008, 12:13

Generally, you'll find (snip) a trigger pull that may or may not be particularly good, but they'll shoot straight
Had my trigger assembly polished by a mate, talk about nice and crisp now, and a nice weight to it, I don't know how many lbs it is though.
I now prefer shooting my Norinco to my old Henry .22 lever gun, which, while it's fun and looks good, isn't all that accurate beyond 50 metres.

Wolf

10th February 2008, 12:34

The JW15 is a copy of the Brno .22, which is an excellent rifle.
Indeed it is. If you're going to clone a .22, you can't go wrong with the Brno.

I've had experience with Norinco AK-47 and SKS clones and they were not bad at all. The Norinco SKS looked a fair bit better than my genuine Russian one (mind you, the Norinco was brand new and the Russian was rather old).

Any of you other old farts remember the Toz - dirt-cheap old Russian .22lr with absolutely no quality control, meaning you could get an absolute lemon that had you spewing vitriol at the mention of "Toz" or you could get the best rifle on the planet that had you extolling the virtues of this rugged-as rifle that takes everything you can throw at it and still goes strong.

Never owned one myself but I've known a few who had them - with very varied experiences.

The Pastor

10th February 2008, 13:45

what does 'lr' mean?

jrandom

10th February 2008, 13:51

what does 'lr' mean?

'Long Rifle'.

Which may make you giggle, when you look at the size of the cartridges, but there is also a '.22 short' calibre. Not too common, though. Some Olympic-style pistol shooters like it, but that's about it.

Rimfire type cartridges used to be much more prevalent back in the Good Old Days. There were some seriously fat rimfire calibres. I suspect Mr Merde or one of the other history buffs will be able to add some detail to that comment.

Unfortunately, most of those calibres have fallen by the wayside, leaving .22 Long Rifle as the only common rimfire calibre, along with new designs like the .17HMR (Hornady Magnum Rimfire).

The Pastor

10th February 2008, 13:54

next question... what is rimfire?

Smokin

10th February 2008, 13:57

The primer to ignite the powder in made into the rim of the cartridge.
Centre fire has the primer in the centre of the cartridge.

jrandom

10th February 2008, 13:58

next question... what is rimfire?

That's when the primer is spun into the rim of the base of the cartridge, and the firing pin hits that rim to set it off and start the propellant burning.

You'll see, on a .22LR, that the mark from the firing pin on ejected cartridges is on the rim.

Larger calibres tend to be centerfire; the primer sits in a separate little cup in the middle of the base of the cartridge, and the firing pin hits it in the middle.

Centerfire cartridges are handy, because once you've fired one, you can keep the empty brass, pull the used primer cup out and chuck in a new one, then fill it with propellant and crimp a new bullet in. Saves lots of money. That's what people mean when they talk about 'reloading'.

Rimfire cartridges are way cheaper to manufacture first off, though, which is why .22LR only costs about 2 cents a round to shoot.

The Pastor

10th February 2008, 14:09

im such a noob :(

Wolf

10th February 2008, 14:19

Isn't the old .22 Magnum also a rimfire cartridge?

deanohit

10th February 2008, 14:29

Isn't the old .22 Magnum also a rimfire cartridge?

Yep, got some good knockdown power too, I think it's got the same power at 100yds as the .22LR has at the muzzle. Not too sure though, some one correct me if I'm wrong.

.22mag is way more expensive though, it's like $15-$20 for a 50 pack while the .22LR is $5-$7 for a 50 pack.