The firearm thread

[Wolf]

Rep for first to tell the record this holds.
Ummmm, World's ugliest finish on a firearm?

Sorry, but that'd look so much better in blue or Parkerising.

Not Chrome - it wouldn't get ya home...

[Indiana_Jones]

We still need to organize a shoot up!

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

A bit of trivia for all you knowledgable firearms persons on this board.

This rifle is for auction on a site in the US,

current bid is US$125,500

Can any of you tell me why?

http://www.antiqueguns.com/p5/009-02047.jpg

[Mr Merde]

No replies or attempts.

Too old I suppose.

To anyone interested in collecting old firearms this is one that is very much sought after.

1st generation, 1860 Henry, serial number 275, iron frame. Calibre .44 rim fire.

They only made 300 of these with the iron frame. Most were made with what we refer to as brass frames but in actuality were a type of bronze.

Hence its rarity

[deanohit]

No replies or attempts.

Too old I suppose.

To anyone interested in collecting old firearms this is one that is very much sought after.

1st generation, 1860 Henry, serial number 275, iron frame. Calibre .44 rim fire.

They only made 300 of these with the iron frame. Most were made with what we refer to as brass frames but in actuality were a type of bronze.

Hence its rarity
Oh I like it alright mate!
Just didn't have any idea what was special about it.

Although I remember reading about a guy who went hunting up the Corromandel with a .44 rimfire a few years back, he has only been able to find about a dozen rounds in NZ. :2thumbsup

[portokiwi]

MMMMMMM:drool: Did anyone see the new PSD 6.8mm.
Looks and feels like the M4 but with more punch.
It was on Future wepons on Discovery ch last night and again this morning.
I wish I had that when I was in Afghanistan. Short barrel too:drool:

[Wolf]

No replies or attempts.

Too old I suppose.

To anyone interested in collecting old firearms this is one that is very much sought after.

1st generation, 1860 Henry, serial number 275, iron frame. Calibre .44 rim fire.

They only made 300 of these with the iron frame. Most were made with what we refer to as brass frames but in actuality were a type of bronze.

Hence its rarity
I'd picked it as a Henry circa 1800s but google as I might (all combinations of Henry, lever action, auction, hex barrel, antique) I couldn't find the pic anywhere.

If I had, I'd've shamelessly posted what it was as if I knew all the rest. :D

[Mr Merde]

Oh I like it alright mate!
Just didn't have any idea what was special about it.

Although I remember reading about a guy who went hunting up the Corromandel with a .44 rimfire a few years back, he has only been able to find about a dozen rounds in NZ. :2thumbsup

I have a .56 rimfire in my gun safe, just aching to be fired.

Found brass in the US

Just need a mould that will throw a bullet of .56 at 350 gns.

[Mr Merde]

I'd picked it as a Henry circa 1800s but google as I might (all combinations of Henry, lever action, auction, hex barrel, antique) I couldn't find the pic anywhere.

If I had, I'd've shamelessly posted what it was as if I knew all the rest. :D


I've been drooling over this site for years now

http://www.antiqueguns.com

[scumdog]

A bit of trivia for all you knowledgable firearms persons on this board.

This rifle is for auction on a site in the US,

current bid is US$125,500

Can any of you tell me why?

http://www.antiqueguns.com/p5/009-02047.jpg

I guessed it was a 44 Henry - but had no idea why it was worth so much, I was thinking it must have been owned by somebody famous.

Never realised they were THAT rare.

[Mr Merde]

I guessed it was a 44 Henry - but had no idea why it was worth so much, I was thinking it must have been owned by somebody famous.

Never realised they were THAT rare.

Any Henry is rare, from memory they only made a few thousand of them.

The iron frame version is the pinacle of collecting lever action rifles.

Have a look at the web site I posted in response to Wolfs comments.

Lots of wonderful toys and they will post to NZ (mostly)

[Wolf]

I was thinking it must have been owned by somebody famous.
Yeah, that thought had crossed my mind, too.

Knew it couldn't have been William Cody's Sharps, though.

[Mr Merde]

I guessed it was a 44 Henry - but had no idea why it was worth so much, I was thinking it must have been owned by somebody famous.

Never realised they were THAT rare.

The next rarest Winchester is referred to as the "transitional model"

They took the Henry and put a side loading gate on it, blanked off the top end of the magazine tube.

This was the fore runner to the 1866 "Yellowboy" and there were about 50 made.

[portokiwi]

The person I was looking after in Afghanistan was buying old guns and rifles over there and shipping them back to the states a lot of the guys there were doing that. They would pay around $100 U.S then sell them for around $500-1500 each,
They are very expensive.

[Sniper]

Hey would be nice but aint got that coin, but its only the stock that is different to the P so can always upgrade at a later time.

Off to sea for a bit soon to save money for the purchase, don't think it will stretch to Khales though

What are they asking for a .308? I kow I have a .223 sitting in my cabinet with a Houge, Harris, Leupold......... Oh God :sweatdrop



Amazing that they can shoot decent groups at all with the amount of movement and shock going into the scope!

Thats why you should also always do a decent bit of research and invest in a good set of rings. I have seen $6000 rifles miss a target at 100yards because the chap was too stingy to spend $150 on a set of rings

[scumdog]

Thats why you should also always do a decent bit of research and invest in a good set of rings. I have seen $6000 rifles miss a target at 100yards because the chap was too stingy to spend $150 on a set of rings

Where've you bin boy? - we've been worried sick about you!!:blink:

But on topic - aften best to have a $400 rifle with a $1,000 scope and ring set-up, better than the other way around which is what a lot try to do.

[Wolf]

best to have a $400 rifle with a $1,000 scope and ring set-up, better than the other way around which is what a lot try to do.
Personally, I'd like the money to have a $1000 rifle and a $1000 scope and ring setup.

I miss my old .243 Miroku. Only had iron sights on it, but it was a great shooter.

A nice Husqvarna bolt action in .243 with a decent scope and rings would be sweet.

I like the flat trajectory of the .243 ammo which also lacks the weight and bulk of .308.

[sAsLEX]

What are they asking for a .308? I kow I have a .223 sitting in my cabinet with a Houge, Harris, Leupold......... Oh God :sweatdrop




Thats why you should also always do a decent bit of research and invest in a good set of rings. I have seen $6000 rifles miss a target at 100yards because the chap was too stingy to spend $150 on a set of rings

2.4 k with Bushnell scope and Leupold rings package.

[Sniper]

Where've you bin boy? - we've been worried sick about you!!:blink:

But on topic - aften best to have a $400 rifle with a $1,000 scope and ring set-up, better than the other way around which is what a lot try to do.

Here and there. Currently having a break from it all> Missing all the good guys from the site.

I agree about the Rifle and scope though.



A nice Husqvarna bolt action in .243 with a decent scope and rings would be sweet.

I like the flat trajectory of the .243 ammo which also lacks the weight and bulk of .308.

Hmmm, drooling over that.

I like the .243 as well, its a good round, not my favourite though. I still enjoy the .223, it may be small, but its accurate, and its always a well placed shot that makes the day :)


2.4 k with Bushnell scope and Leupold rings package.

:blink:

[sAsLEX]

:blink:

:blink: ?

[Jez]

After slaving away at Tiwai Aluminium Smelter one summer my father took me out shopping for my first rifle, i walked out with 2.

.270 Browning Synthetic/Stainless with Leupold rings/scope $2k (in 1996) for the deer along the southern coast of fiordland
.22 Ruger with browning scope ($600 in those days) for the bunnies in central otago

the only problem with all of this is i still havent got my firearms license so they are both under dads name and he keeps em in timaru, which makes going out for a weekend shot a bit tricky

[Monsterbishi]

the only problem with all of this is i still havent got my firearms license so they are both under dads name and he keeps em in timaru, which makes going out for a weekend shot a bit tricky

Just pull finger and get your FAL, it's only $123! You could piece together a solid cabinet for bugger all too.

[deanohit]

Any one got experiance with a Stirling M20 here?
Theres one for sale at the local Hammils that I was checking out as i have a bolt action, but no semis.
How reliable/accurate are they?

[Monsterbishi]

Any one got experiance with a Stirling M20 here?
Theres one for sale at the local Hammils that I was checking out as i have a bolt action, but no semis.
How reliable/accurate are they?

I wouldn't bother, if you want a cheap semi, have a look at the Remington 597, beyond that, can't go wrong with a Ruger 10/22

[deanohit]

I wouldn't bother, if you want a cheap semi, have a look at the Remington 597, beyond that, can't go wrong with a Ruger 10/22
Thanks, but while I would love one of those, I'm more looking for a cheap project, something I can tidy up over a brand new rifle.
If I wanted brand new, a Marlin Papoose would be at the top of the list.

[Mr Merde]

For anyone who may be interested.


http://www.armsbid.com/1-Firearms-Auction.htm




With a little bit of the spare readies I could flood tardme

[mstriumph]

Here and there. Currently having a break from it all> Missing all the good guys from the site.

.....................
:blink:

.... as WE are missing you, fella!

[Sniper]

Any one got experiance with a Stirling M20 here?
Theres one for sale at the local Hammils that I was checking out as i have a bolt action, but no semis.
How reliable/accurate are they?

Depending on the ammo, they will carry on firing long after you have blistersn all your fingers. Mine had an issue with cheap subsonic, but cycled everything else beautifully.

Bloody accurate little rifle. For a .22 anyway. Remember 99% of shooting is down to how well someone can shoot. I have seen a chap swear and carry on about how shit his because at 50yards he couldnt get 3 shots into a 2inch by 2inch square even when prone on sandbags. I got behind and got 7 shots in a 1 by 1.

Actually, ask MDU and Smokin how accurate the M20 is. I used it at 2007s bunny hunt

[deanohit]

Depending on the ammo, they will carry on firing long after you have blisters on all your fingers. Mine had an issue with cheap subsonic, but cycled everything else beautifully.

Bloody accurate little rifle. For a .22 anyway. Remember 99% of shooting is down to how well someone can shoot. I have seen a chap swear and carry on about how shit his because at 50yards he couldnt get 3 shots into a 2inch by 2inch square even when prone on sandbags. I got behind and got 7 shots in a 1 by 1.

Actually, ask MDU and Smokin how accurate the M20 is. I used it at 2007s bunny hunt
Cheers mate.
I'd be putting a better scope on it to start with, got a little thin tube on it at the mo'.
May have to go back in for another look some time.

So what ammo were you using?
I mainly use Winchester subs anyway as thats what my JW15 loves. :ar15:

[Korumba]

Just took my 12yo on a trip around NZ and he went pig hunting (knives) in Nelson and we got 3 nice little Boars over the day..
Then we went “Postal” with a few guns. The Black Powder gun elicited the biggest grin of the day.

And then after calling into my Cuzzys place Mr Merde he has become a Black powder convert… those photos later, these are from Nelson.

[Mr Merde]

Korumba hasnt posted these yet so I thought I would jump in first.

Here is my 12 year old 2nd cousin getting hooked on various types of firearms but especially the "Holy Black"

[Mr Merde]

More of the young one

BTW

As pointed out to me, the firing of a pistol from a non approved range is not allowed, this is why those photos with the hand guns were posed photos only

[Mr Merde]

BTW,

The bald headed old coot with the knobbly knees is none other than Mr Merde himself.

[Sniper]

So what ammo were you using?
I mainly use Winchester subs anyway as thats what my JW15 loves. :ar15:

I used some cheap stuff that I can't remember the name. Best Subs to put through it are CCI.

[Smokin]

Actually, ask MDU and Smokin how accurate the M20 is. I used it at 2007s bunny hunt

I would have to agree with you there buddy, I saw some mighty fine shots come from Snipers Stirling.

And if you tell me your not coming to the 2009 shoot I'll get Mrs Sniper to bind and gag you and I'll come up there and drag you along myself. :shutup:

Oh yeah, Welcome back mate.

[deanohit]

I would have to agree with you there buddy, I saw some mighty fine shots come from Snipers Stirling.
Cheers guys, thanks for the help.

[ManDownUnder]

Where does one purchase the following items...

12g Solid Slug mold
00 Buckshot mold.

I'm guessing they come out of the US or UK... - anyone? Reloaders especially...

[Smokin]

Im sure I saw a slug mold in a NZ catalogue, reloaders supplies maybe?
I'll scratch around and see if I can find it.

[Swoop]

Where does one purchase the following items...

12g Solid Slug mold
00 Buckshot mold.

I'm guessing they come out of the US or UK... - anyone? Reloaders especially...

Reloaders Supplies - Onehunga:
Lee Shotgun Slug Mould. #90281 Slug Mould 1oz. $55-
No info in my catalogue on Buckshot. Simple ball mould should do the trick though?

[Colapop]

12ga or 20ga - What are the differences?
Pump action or Semi auto?
Synthetic or wood (butt, grips etc)?
What sort of price would I be looking at?

Application would be small game - ducks, bunny's. Dunno whether my size makes a difference... not as little as some people

[jrandom]

12ga or 20ga - What are the differences?

'Gauge' is the calibre of a shotgun. How wide the barrel is. The lower the number, the wider the barrel.

12 gauge shotties throw more lead with a bigger charge behind it.

20 gauge shotties are good for little people who need to shoot little things.

Buy a 12 gauge.


Pump action or Semi auto?

Pump.

You can get accurate shots off just as quickly, and pump action shotties are cheaper, lighter, and don't jam.


Synthetic or wood (butt, grips etc)?

Wood is classy, but synthetic stocks don't make you cry when you drop them in the mud or accidentally throw a box of fishing gear on top of them in the back of the truck.


What sort of price would I be looking at?

A grand will get you a very decent pump action 12 gauge from one of the Murkn brands. $600 will get you a bottom-end model on special, which would kill the critters just as dead.

[Colapop]

New is better but there are some good second hand weapons around? What sort of things do I look for when I'm looking at second hand weapons? Rust, pitting, smooth action? Take the weapon to a gun shop or gunsmith if poss?

[Mr Merde]

12ga or 20ga - What are the differences?
Pump action or Semi auto?
Synthetic or wood (butt, grips etc)?
What sort of price would I be looking at?

Application would be small game - ducks, bunny's. Dunno whether my size makes a difference... not as little as some people

In shotgun parlance the term guage refers to the following


The number of balls with a diameter equal to the bore of the shotgun, that in total equal 1 lb (pound) in weight.

In the case of a 12 guage there are 12 balls with a diameter of .735" in a weight measurement of 1 lb

In 20 guage there are 20 , in 16 guage there are 16.

a .410 is the actual measurement of the bore.

As to the other questions it is all up to a matter of preference.

[Swoop]

What sort of things do I look for when I'm looking at second hand weapons? Rust, pitting, smooth action? Take the weapon to a gun shop or gunsmith if poss?

#1. A benefit of second hand pump-shotties, is the fact that the action should be silky-smooth...

#2. A firearm is something that pokes out a bit of lead from the front end. A weapon can be anything (rock/club/knife/pointed stick, etc).
(Takes off pedant's hat, puts pens back into pocket protector, cleans blackboard and exits the classroom).

[Wolf]

#1. A benefit of second hand pump-shotties, is the fact that the action should be silky-smooth...

#2. A firearm is something that pokes out a bit of lead from the front end. A weapon can be anything (rock/club/knife/pointed stick, etc).
(Takes off pedant's hat, puts pens back into pocket protector, cleans blackboard and exits the classroom).
[pedant ]

You forgot to push your glasses up the bridge of your nose.

[/pedant ]

[jrandom]

#2. A firearm is something that pokes out a bit of lead from the front end. A weapon can be anything (rock/club/knife/pointed stick, etc).

Correct.

Don't ever go to Central Shooters and refer to a pistol as a 'weapon' within hearing range of an RO.

The subsequent bollocking inevitably lasts a solid sixty seconds, and you will be stared and sniggered at.

[ManDownUnder]

Correct.

Don't ever go to Central Shooters and refer to a pistol as a 'weapon' within hearing range of an RO.

The subsequent bollocking inevitably lasts a solid sixty seconds, and you will be stared and sniggered at.

So... a pistol is not a weapon?

[Wolf]

So... a pistol is not a weapon?
Not on a range it isn't - against range rules to use it as a weapon.

[ManDownUnder]

Not on a range it isn't - against range rules to use it as a weapon.

Meh... guess that's why I restrict my time at the range.

Col - here's (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting-shooting/Shotguns/auction-167497725.htm) the stainless version of what I have. Mr Merde put me onto these things and they're faultless. Cheap (I bought mine for $450) and HEAPS of fun. I took it bunny shooting in Alexandra 2 years running, God only knows how many rounds through it and it just keeps loading and shooting, loading and shooting. If I smashed mine tomorrow I wouldn't bother looking for anything else unless I took up trap shooting.

Made by Winchester, search for "Defender" or 1300 in the shotgun section on TM.

Come and have a play if the weather's ok tomorrow...

[jrandom]

So... a pistol is not a weapon?

Not on a range in New Zealand it's not.

The whole law surrounding our ability to own and use pistols depends on them not being seen as weapons.

I agree that that's fundamentally bollocks, and that pistol shooting is, in its essence, a martial art, but we can't just go around displaying attitudes that openly contradict politically-correct doublethink. It'd give shooters a bad name, etc.

[ManDownUnder]

...but we can't just go around displaying attitudes that openly contradict politically-correct doublethink. It'd give shooters a bad name, etc.

aaaa roger that. Sorry - I forgot to take PCness into account (sounds remarkably like Penis doesn't it - an apt association for the bunch of PC dicks making the rules...).

... as you were.

[Mr Merde]

So... a pistol is not a weapon?

In these days of "political correctness" we are not allowed weapons.

In the olden days yes a pistol was a weapon but today it is a pice of sporting equipment.

Its just like the stupid rules about targets. We are not allowed to use anything that in any way may resemble the human form as it may encourage our violent nature and turn us all "postal"

[ManDownUnder]

...and turn us all "postal"

Hence the rule about not being allowed to post enabled firearms. It's not the bad guys they're worried about - it's rearming the postal workers!

Oh - by the way... you're the reason I keep getting myterious and questionable entries on my VISA statement. Why just last week there was one about something called a "Universal Charge bar and powder baffle"... :niceone:

... go figure. Just waiting for it to arrive as we speak. We're having some fun my little MEC and I.

[Wolf]

here's (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting-shooting/Shotguns/auction-167497725.htm) the stainless version of what I have.
Noice! I remember when you were only allowed to have 2 shots maximum for "sportsmanship" reasons (to give the ducks a fair chance, I gather) and pumps and semis had to have pins in the mags to stop you cramming more than 2 rounds in.

[Mr Merde]

Hence the rule about not being allowed to post enabled firearms. It's not the bad guys they're worried about - it's rearming the postal workers!

Oh - by the way... you're the reason I keep getting myterious and questionable entries on my VISA statement. Why just last week there was one about something called a "Universal Charge bar and powder baffle"... :niceone:

... go figure. Just waiting for it to arrive as we speak. We're having some fun my little MEC and I.


MEC is your friend

Dont tell your good lady where I live. Please!!!

Go the Universal Charge Bar

[Mr Merde]

I've had a couple of pm's since my post about how a shotgun gets known as a 12 guage etc.

I thought I would ask a little question here and see if anyone on this site knows the answer.

Why does a .357 Magnum and a .38 spl use the same size bullet?

Why is the actual bore of a .44 mag and .44 spl, .429? Surely they should be called a .42 mag and a .42 spl or even a .43

As a hint think historically.


Bling to a good answer

[The Pastor]

where is ur post of how a shotgun gets known as a 12 gauge? edit found it.

[jrandom]

Why is the actual bore of a .44 mag and .44 spl, .429? Surely they should be called a .42 mag and a .42 spl or even a .43

Is it something to do with whether the bore's calibre is measured from the lands or the grooves?

I did know this at one point, but buggered if I can remember what the story really is.

[Mr Merde]

Is it something to do with whether the bore's calibre is measured from the lands or the grooves?

I did know this at one point, but buggered if I can remember what the story really is.

No its not where the bore is measured from.

Big hint.

Its in the cartridge

[Korumba]

Here is a wall of Firearms.

Sportsman’s Wherehouse, here in Anchorage way cool store.

[Mr Merde]

I thought I would share this with you.

Korumba sent it to me from the US

[ManDownUnder]

I thought the 357 vs 38 was two names for the same thing - (one being the diameter of the bullet, the other being the ID of the lands in the barrel).

Good 'ol US/English difference in the way things are done - much like anything to do with language (Aluminium vs Aluminum), screw threws (how many per inch vs actual pitch in mm)... etc.

Two views of the same thing. If forced to guess I'd say 38 was the "old" measurement from smooth bore days, and 357 is the modern equivalent ... just the old round once the spin doctors got hold of it?

357 being 357 thousanths of an inch of course...

[Mr Merde]

I thought the 357 vs 38 was two names for the same thing - (one being the diameter of the bullet, the other being the ID of the lands in the barrel).

Good 'ol US/English difference in the way things are done - much like anything to do with language (Aluminium vs Aluminum), screw threws (how many per inch vs actual pitch in mm)... etc.

Two views of the same thing. If forced to guess I'd say 38 was the "old" measurement from smooth bore days, and 357 is the modern equivalent ... just the old round once the spin doctors got hold of it?

357 being 357 thousanths of an inch of course...

Very close.

In the days of old most bullets were of the type known as "heel loaded" and they were the actual diameter of the case and sometimes a little larger. The only round left I know of that is still heelk loaded is the oldest cartridge round (the first to be made and still being made), the venerable .22

A .38 actualy had a diameter of .379 approx.

Come modern times and we started loading the bullets inside the cases. Thier diameter was less than the diameter of the case so the had to reduce the diameter of the barrel.

Rather than change the name of the bullet they still refered to it by the old dimensions.

One of the stranger naming conventions was the 38-40 caliber in the colt revolvers and in Winchester rifles. The actual diameter of the bullet was .40 but rather than call it the 40-40 which may have become confused withn the 44-40 they decided to call it the 38-40.

Now for another bit of trivia.

There are two basic types of priming for centre fire cartridges.

The Boxer style and the Berdan style

The Berdan was designed by an American and used mainly in Europe and the Boxer style was developed in the UK and was adopted by all ammunition manufacturers in the US. Talk about arse about face.

[Swoop]

...........

[Wolf]

...........
Yep, I know which "SLR" I'd prefer under those circumstances...

[Swoop]

Yep, I know which "SLR" I'd prefer under those circumstances...
.50BMG???

Also, a hose for cleaning the underwear...

[Wolf]

.50BMG???

Also, a hose for cleaning the underwear...
At that range the .308 would probably be quite sufficient, but any Self-Loading Rifle would be more useful than a Single Lens Reflex

[deanohit]

Found these the other day, reloading calculators to determine how much it costs per round to load:
Shotgun shells -
www.shootpita.com/reloading-cost.htm

Centerfire cartridges -
www.handloads.com/calc/loadingCosts.asp

[Swoop]

Well, it appears as if I am a terrorist.

Has anyone else had their BetradeMe details passed onto the police and thenceforth onto the terrorist accused?

I really appreciate my name, address, contact details supplied as a tasty burglary list to the criminal fraternity.

Apparently there are another 2999 of us on the list, so I am hoping my burglary will be some time in the distant future.



Fuck.

[Wolf]

Well, it appears as if I am a terrorist.

Has anyone else had their BetradeMe details passed onto the police and thenceforth onto the terrorist accused?

I really appreciate my name, address, contact details supplied as a tasty burglary list to the criminal fraternity.

Apparently there are another 2999 of us on the list, so I am hoping my burglary will be some time in the distant future.



Fuck.
How does one find out if they're on the list?

[Swoop]

How does one find out if they're on the list?

You will have been emailed.

The silly thing is that I have no idea who I traded with that might be a terrorist/Te Queda member.

All a bit perplexing.

[Wolf]

You will have been emailed.

The silly thing is that I have no idea who I traded with that might be a terrorist/Te Queda member.

All a bit perplexing.
I gather that you mean within the last couple of days.

Obviously the blokes I sold a .303 and a BSA .22 target rifle to didn't use them as part of a "tayr'ist plaht"...

[ManDownUnder]

ok dumb question time... 'breaking in a barrel".

New rifle *Tikka T3 stainless 270WSM* itching to be used.... and some say "shoot it, clean it thoroughly, shoot it again... clean it again - thoroughly... etc. There seems to be a shitload of cleaning involved..!

Others say "naaaaa - just clean it properly after each day's shooting...

...and the real truth is?

[Swoop]

Well, a lot of good that was.

Dear Swoop,

Thank you for your email regarding the information we were required to provide to Police as part of their "Urewera Raid" investigations.

This information was supplied to the Police as per their request and in line with our Terms of the site which explain that in some circumstances we may be required to provide such details when required to by law.

The information Police requested was your basic account information along with the trade you had with one of the Police's suspects.

The specific personal data of yours supplied was: account name, personal name, address, phone numbers and e-mail listed on your membership, along with the particular trade.

Please note that we did not provide your password details or any banking or credit card data to the Police.

We do not have insight into which information the Police may have passed on to others involved in the investigation. If you want to find out more about this or further information about the case you can contact Detective Aaron Pascoe (aaron.pascoe@police.govt.nz) who led the investigation.

If you have concerns in respect of how we have acted in relation to the Privacy Act 1993, you can make complaint to the Office of the Privacy Commissioner.

http://www.privacy.org.nz

I can appreciate your concern at the situation but hopefully the previously mentioned details will allay the major concerns you may have. We would ask that you update your details on your Trade Me account to your full legal details, as per our Terms and Conditions.

If you have any further questions or if I can be of any further help please do not hesitate to contact me.

Regards,

X

Trade Me
Support

[Swoop]

New rifle *Tikka T3 stainless 270WSM* itching to be used.... and some say "shoot it, clean it thoroughly, shoot it again... clean it again - thoroughly... etc. There seems to be a shitload of cleaning involved..!

Others say "naaaaa - just clean it properly after each day's shooting...

...and the real truth is?
5 rounds and then a damn good clean.
Another 5 rounds and another clean,
Keep doing this for 20 (some say 50) rounds.

Normal "after the days shooting has finished" cleaning from then on.

Bench-rest shooters will be even more pedantic...

[Mr Merde]

Just finishing the week from hell. Long story I wont go into.

I think a touch of tension release is very much needed.

I think I will take the .223 out of storage and spend a time getting it sighted in.

Then I think I will casually walk the gentle hills around my place.

I'll commune with nature, admire the scenery and wonder at all the fauna.

I think then i will KILL IT ALL.

TENSION RELEASE

[Mr Merde]

Sitting here at my desk, accepting calls and listening to the problems of all those wonderful users out there I have this almost irresistable urge to go...............





POSTAL

[Wolf]

Sitting here at my desk, accepting calls and listening to the problems of all those wonderful users out there I have this almost irresistable urge to go...............





POSTAL
You were thinking of "happening" to someone? As in "shit happens"...

[The Pastor]

remeber, violence is the answer.

[Wolf]

remeber, violence is the answer.
What was the question?

[rottiguy]

just remember if you love something set it free.........if it doesn't come back hunt it down and kill it :ar15:

[Mr Merde]

Has any one of you ever organised a shooting competition?

I'm thinking of talking to my local farmer and trying to arrange a long distance rifle shoot. Up to 1000 meters.

He has already given me permission for myself an another mate to hunt his land and to shoot down the valley, 1500 meters.

As you all may have guessed, I am into 19th century firearms.

What I am thinking of is getting some of the cowboy and black powder shooters I know together and staging a Black Powder Cartridge Rifle shoot at distances from 300 meters to 1000 meters, with a single final shot at 1500 meters.

I'm going to sites in the US that deal with this sport and get a few ideas.

Probably only looking at 10-15 shooters.

It would be fun as at the cowboy competitions we have a side match for these rifles but the longest we really get to shoot is about 380 meters.

These rifles are capable of reaching out and giving MOA groups at 1000 yards. Thats 10 shots in a 10 inch circle at 1000 yards.


As to the organisation of this event I am a completer novice. The only thing I have ever really organised before was a visit to the ballet by 30 Kiwis and Aussies in London one year.

Any advice on organisation would be much appreciated. Not just shooting related.


Chris

[Swoop]

Have you read the last issue of NZ Guns? Harry Hoover has set a range up in Hamilton for 1000m shooting and it looks like fun!
Quite a lot of steel is required though...

A mate (who is into his rotten-egg powder guns) shoots with Antique Arms Assn. and they have swinging targets at various distances. I think this is the easiest way to proceed. A metal frame in the ground and hang a metal dick from 2 chains so it can swing freely when hit and also give a good sound that also confirms a hit.
This makes scoring faster by not having to travel vast distances to patch out, etc...

I've only run a brief rifle action match on a 100m range. Most shooters only want to turn up and shoot, but not assist with luggung heavy weights up and down the range...

[Wolf]

A metal frame in the ground and hang a metal dick from 2 chains
Sounds like a feminist shooting competition...

[Swoop]

I feel like a right one now...:slap: <--couldn't find the "embarrassed" emoticon.

[ManDownUnder]

a bit of a giggle I know... but check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1y5mLpxF_U&NR=1

If the thing coming out the front is doing average pistol speed (whatever the hell that is...) what velocity is the ejected case doing? Fuckin' thing would be shooting passers by as well...

Here's some of the ones I was looking at. Pretty cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ssokvdegzE&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu5PhSk4Eqo&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBAS050qo20&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga6PMbutZ98&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAJWQhMbHL4

and varmint grenades... JESUS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYigC49tnh8

Anyone out there got other good high speed footage? I find it mesmerising.

[Mr Merde]

a bit of a giggle I know... but check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1y5mLpxF_U&NR=1

If the thing coming out the front is doing average pistol speed (whatever the hell that is...) what velocity is the ejected case doing? Fuckin' thing would be shooting passers by as well...

Here's some of the ones I was looking at. Pretty cool.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ssokvdegzE&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu5PhSk4Eqo&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBAS050qo20&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ga6PMbutZ98&NR=1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAJWQhMbHL4

and varmint grenades... JESUS!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYigC49tnh8

Anyone out there got other good high speed footage? I find it mesmerising.

Cant get youtube at work. Pistol ammunition velocity is between 1000fps and 1500 fps, some are faster and some slower but in general it is within that range.

[Wolf]

a bit of a giggle I know... but check this out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1y5mLpxF_U&NR=1

If the thing coming out the front is doing average pistol speed (whatever the hell that is...) what velocity is the ejected case doing? Fuckin' thing would be shooting passers by as well...
Yeah, I think their animation was a bit on the optimistic side, considering where they had the projectile when the casing erupted forth - compare with the slo-mo of the semi-auto shotgun.

[ManDownUnder]

Cant get youtube at work. Pistol ammunition velocity is between 1000fps and 1500 fps, some are faster and some slower but in general it is within that range.

All good. It was an animated semi-auto pistol shot... super slow mo showing the projectile, shock waves and case ejection. Problem is the projectile's only about 50mm out of the barrel when the case is (rapidly) leaving the chamber.

[Wolf]

All good. It was an animated semi-auto pistol shot... super slow mo showing the projectile, shock waves and case ejection. Problem is the projectile's only about 50mm out of the barrel when the case is (rapidly) leaving the chamber.
The action on the slide was pretty aggressive, too - it came back with spring-shattering alacrity.

[ManDownUnder]

The action on the slide was pretty aggressive, too - it came back with spring-shattering alacrity.

LOL true - imagine trying to hold onto it!

[Wolf]

LOL true - imagine trying to hold onto it!
I'd rather be shot at by that gun than fire it - I'd rather have a 115gr projectile coming at me at 1500fps than a 13oz slide coming at me at around 1800fps...

[ManDownUnder]

Here's another one I found (where's Mr Random...)

Good steel vs. high speed lead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNiX_l-HEGM)

[Mr Merde]

LOL true - imagine trying to hold onto it!

Saw a newbie once fire a .45 auto just like the movies.

He placed his left hand over the top of the hand holding the pistol.

First shot and the slide came back and took off a shit load of skin as was as smashing pretty hard into the knuckles of the left hand.

Give him credit, he didnt drop the pistol but he didnt fire it again until he got patched up and listened to the instructor tell him the proper way to hold and fire an auto pistol.

[Wolf]

Saw a newbie once fire a .45 auto just like the movies.

He placed his left hand over the top of the hand holding the pistol.
Only got that far before cringing and doing the "sharp intake of breath" bit - left me kinda bereft of reactions for the next bit (which was fortunately pretty much what went through my mind when I read the above so I didn't realy need to react, having already done so).


First shot and the slide came back and took off a shit load of skin as was as smashing pretty hard into the knuckles of the left hand.

[scumdog]

Saw a newbie once fire a .45 auto just like the movies.

He placed his left hand over the top of the hand holding the pistol.

First shot and the slide came back and took off a shit load of skin as was as smashing pretty hard into the knuckles of the left hand.

Give him credit, he didnt drop the pistol but he didnt fire it again until he got patched up and listened to the instructor tell him the proper way to hold and fire an auto pistol.


Ranks right up there with the newbie who pressed the bolt-release button on a Browning A5 - before he got his thumb out of the ejection port....nice extractor-sized hole punched in the side of his thumb.:shit:

[jrandom]

A mate (who is into his rotten-egg powder guns) shoots with Antique Arms Assn. and they have swinging targets at various distances. I think this is the easiest way to proceed. A metal frame in the ground and hang a metal dick from 2 chains so it can swing freely when hit and also give a good sound that also confirms a hit.

Shooting centerfire 30-calibre FMJs at those targets at 100 yards or less is a Bad Idea.

DAMHIK.

[deanohit]

I bought one yesterday for NZ$100 (a real steal IMO)
It's in good condition, only a fine brown patina on the blue, a clean shiny bore, worn but not dinged stock and a bright and shiny bolt with minor pitting on the handle.
The front sight is still on the barrel, but the rear sight is missing.

It was bought of a guy whos grandfather apparently bought it new with the Mossburg No.M4D scope and Parker Hale moderator fitted.

This is going to be a project for sometime, just a tidy up is all, nothing radical.
I will be leaving the Mossburg on it, as I quite like the look of it.

This rifle is way more accurate than me with the Winchester Subs I love to use, I didn't have a rest beside the hood of the truck, and the wind was gusty, but it still shot around an inch at 30 meters.
I'm sure with a proper rest and a nice day it should really tighten up.
Standing, it is easily minute of possum. :niceone:

The scope is clear, with no signs of fogging.

The moderator got a clean this morning, it is worn, but still in good nick.
It works really well, the sound wasn't much more than a hard cough.

[Swoop]

WTF is that straw... I mean "scope"?

[deanohit]

WTF is that straw... I mean "scope"?

Mossberg No.M4D, it a 4x scope, very clear, just small and long.
Was original with the rifle, so is at least 60 years old. :drool:

[Mr Merde]

I have been off work for the 2nd half of last week, not too well with a raging ear infection.

Really hate daytime TV so I thought what I could do just sitting on the deck.

What I did was finish fitting the stock for my Remington Rolling Block.

Many hours of shaping, and fitting culminated in a forend and stock that fit nice and tight and feel right when shouldered.

After that I sat down with the woodwork and sanded the exterior. Started with 180 grit paper, then to 240, next 400, 800 grit and final finishing with 1000 grit paper.

The woodwork exterior felt as smooth as glass when finished this operation.

Next I mixed up a sealer of 2:1 raw linseed oil\turpintine.

Now spending the next 2 weeks slowly rubbing this into he wood. The turps thins down th oil and allows it to soak into the woodwork.

When it will not absorb any more of this solution I will then spend the next 2 months rubbing ( by hand) a little boiled linseed oil into the woodwork

What I will finish up with is a finish known as a London Finish.

A lovely soft satin sheen to the woodwork.

What I need now is some metal parts fabricated.

I need a 3/3 dovetailed piece of metal with a screw hole tapped in it so I can attach the forend to the barrel.

I need a piece of metal for the upper tang upon which I can mount the ladder sight.

The upper tang needs to be tapped.

Reason for the piece of metal here is that the laddert sight had indents that click into place and hold the ladder ar various angle. Unfortunately none of thes equate with vetical to the upper tang,

I could open up the ladder sight and cut a new indent but is may be easier to install a pice of metal on the tag with the right angle on that, then mount the sight to it.

I hope you undestand what I am trying to say.

Any one here in the Auckland area good with metal work, I can talk to.

Any advice would be appreciated.

This has so far been a 2 year project.


Chris


The very rough diagram below is how I have been thinking of mounting the sight. Paint is a bitch to draw with, so please excuse crudness of the diagram.

[Mr Merde]

I thought that I would continue from my previous posting.

It has now been a week since I finished the sanding of the buttstock and forend.

I have been diligently coating these pieces of woodwork with the linseed oil\turpentine mix, twice daily. They get approximately 12 hours between coats.

The buttstock has still been absorbing the mixture and after the 12 hours looks dry, the forend after the same period looks wet so it has fully absorbed the mixture.

I'm going to coninue coating the buttstock until it is at a similar stage of absorbtion.

Once both pieces will no longer absorb any more of the mixture I will leave them both to dry out for a further 24 hours then start rubbing in the boiled linseed oil. Quanitity to use is approximately 1 tspn of this oil rubbed into the wood until it feels dry. This needs to be done twicwe a day for approx. 2 weeks. Slowly decrerasing the amount of oil until I will be only using a few drops on my palm.

Last night I sat down and before I reapplied the oil\turps I dilligently and very lightly sanded the whole thing down again with even finer grit paper than I have used before. This stuff felt like talcum powder to touch.

The resulting finish feels a smooth as glass. There is a sheen to the wood that wasnt there before.

The original piece of wood was American Walnut (grade 2). In its raw state it had a very light brown colout to it, after a week of applying the oil mixture it is a very deep brown\reddish colour. The grain stands out and looks spectacular. The stock seems heavier (duh, I've added oil to it), this will help in moving the centre of balance a little further back towards the action.

I have ordered a butt plate from the US. 2 1/2 lbs of solid brass in a half shutzen style.

Been in touch with a KB board member who may be able to assist me with the sight mounting problem (thanks jrandom).

Started work on the escutchion for the forend mounting screw. Cutting a .223 case down and using the last 3mm of the base of this to inset into the woodwork.

Now I need to start getting together the materrials needed for the finish of the metal work. I have decided not to blue the barrel. I am going to "brown" it instead to a rich blum colour. Thought about doing this the old fashioned method. Takes a while but delivers great results and freaks people out when they ask how it was done.

In this method you literally piss on the metalwork every morning. You then leave it to rust during the day and in the evening you "card" the rust that has formed. You continue with this until you achieve the required depth of finish you are satisfied with and then you wax the barrel to seal the finish and stop the rusting process. I have been told that this method will take about 2 months to complete.

The project has taken 2 years so far so whats a month or two. I really am itching to fire this rifler but the wait will be worth it in the end.

As soon as her indoors gets back I will get some pics of the work done so far and post them up to this board. If it isnt too boring.

[The Pastor]

your going to rust your barrel?

[deanohit]

Geez Mr Merde, I''m looking forward to seeing the results of this beautiful sounding rifle! :niceone:


I just spent the past week sanding down the old stock on my Model 67, started out with some 60 grit to strip off the varnish and dings and dents.

Then worked my way through the grits, getting rid of the gray wood, down to that beautiful reddish walnut.
Finished up with some 600grit, boy did that put a smooth looking shine on it.

it got it's first coat of oil today (3 parts turps to 1 part raw linseed oil, thats pops idea of a mix) and it soaked it right up.

Left to right below shows each stage:

[Mr Merde]

your going to rust your barrel?

Yep.

If you have ever handled a gun and amired the deep blue finish in the metal parts then what you are really admirig is the finish put on to a controlled rusting ofthese parts.

The deep black colour is achieved by steaming the rust.

Stainless steel firearms dont get blued

Some guns get a pakerised finish.

I prefer rust.

[Mr Merde]

Geez Mr Merde, I''m looking forward to seeing the results of this beautiful sounding rifle! :niceone:


I just spent the past week sanding down the old stock on my Model 67, started out with some 60 grit to strip off the varnish and dings and dents.

Then worked my way through the grits, getting rid of the gray wood, down to that beautiful reddish walnut.
Finished up with some 600grit, boy did that put a smooth looking shine on it.

it got it's first coat of oil today (3 parts turps to 1 part raw linseed oil, thats pops idea of a mix) and it soaked it right up.

Left to right below shows each stage:


Nice job.

My mixture was 2:1 raw linseed oil\turps. Slower drying and deeper penetrating for that.

This mixture penetrates the pores of the wood and seals them.

Now you have put the sealer on try hand rubbing some boiled linseed oil in.

First off give it a generous covering and let it be for about 12 hours. Then repeat the procedure.

Slowly decrease the amount over a matter of weeks.

When the wood will not absorb any more of the oil after the 12 hour period, you will be left with a sticky residue on the surface.

Rub this into the wood by hand ie use your hands.

Then use just a few drops for the whole piece and hand rub it all over the surface.

You will be supprised at the finish.

To maintain it just a few drops applied every couple of weeks or when ever you feel like it will keep the sheen.

This is the basis of what is known as a London Finish.

If you have ever seen an expensive English shotgun and it has a matt sheen that seems to penetrate the wood then this is probably what you are looking at.

[Wolf]

In this method you literally piss on the metalwork every morning. You then leave it to rust during the day and in the evening you "card" the rust that has formed. You continue with this until you achieve the required depth of finish you are satisfied with and then you wax the barrel to seal the finish and stop the rusting process. I have been told that this method will take about 2 months to complete.
I'm just dying to be there when some admiring person is running his hands along the metalwork and says "this is an exquisite finish" and you reply "yeah, I pissed on it". :eek:

What is "carding"/how do you do it?

I used to use the tubes of DIY blueing paste from the gunshop. I found that the best way of using it (got the richest blue and evenest finish) was to thoroughly clean the metalwork with meths to remove the finger grease then (wearing rubber gloves to protect the metal from my greasy mits as much as protect me from the blueing paste) douse the metal with boiling water from the jug, quickly dry it and vigorously apply the paste to the hot metal. I'd repeat that process daily until I had the desired colour then finish up with a liberal application of gun oil.

[The Pastor]

Yep.

If you have ever handled a gun and amired the deep blue finish in the metal parts then what you are really admirig is the finish put on to a controlled rusting ofthese parts.

The deep black colour is achieved by steaming the rust.

Stainless steel firearms dont get blued

Some guns get a pakerised finish.

I prefer rust.
i'd like to see a pic when its done!

what do you mean when you say rubbing in the oil? when talking about painting rubbing usally refers to a very light sand?

[Mr Merde]

i'd like to see a pic when its done!

what do you mean when you say rubbing in the oil? when talking about painting rubbing usally refers to a very light sand?

I mean literally using your hands and rubbing the oil into the wood.

There is a mild heat build up and the pores of the wood open just a little allowing the oil to penetrate the wood.

Using your hands will also assist in the polishing of the piece.

[Mr Merde]

I'm just dying to be there when some admiring person is running his hands along the metalwork and says "this is an exquisite finish" and you reply "yeah, I pissed on it". :eek:

What is "carding"/how do you do it?

....


carding is rubbing down the accumulated rust with a piece of card or canvas. This strips the rust down to a fine layer. As it rusts more these layers accumulate on top of each other and this is the depth you see in a good bluing job.

Never user the kitset stuff.

Trying to build up a blueing setup. Want to try the old methods, chemicals, tools etc..

Must be my age.

[ManDownUnder]

DAMHIK.


No idea at all... (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ABGIJwiGBc)

Closest I ever got was being hit in the guts by a .177 air rifle pellet coming back out of the iron implement shed I shot it into. Not ideal.

[Mr Merde]

As promised here are some photos of my project.

1874 Remington Rolling Block Action, rebarreled with a 34" Badger full octagonal match barrel.

Chris

[Mr Merde]

Some more photos of my work

[deanohit]

Wow, that wood is already looking stunning, beautiful colour to it.

[Mr Merde]

And some more pictures (tell me if I'm boring you)

[Mr Merde]

Last few pictures

[Mr Merde]

So let me know what you think of my first attempt of getting a 134 year old action back into working order. Forgot to mention the action is from a Swedish shotgun version of the Rolling Block.

[deanohit]

Well, I for one am not going to get bored looking at those pics!

What calber is it?
I'm can't remember if you mentioned it earlier.

[Mr Merde]

No I havent mentioned the caliber.

Ive had the barrel reamed for 45-70

I am looking at throwing a 530 gn projectile at about 1300 fps. A .22 throws a 40gn projectile and a .308 throws a 175 gn projectile. The 50 BMG throws a 750 gn projectile.

About 65 grains of FFg black powder but toying with the idea of using Fg powder with 3 grains of FFFg as a starter

Should be good for 1000 yard accuaracy. MOA at that distance is 10 shots in a 10" circle and I have been told that is perfectly achievable with practice

[The Pastor]

NICE WORK _b WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO START PISSING ON IT?

[Mr Merde]

NICE WORK _b WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO START PISSING ON IT?

Got to get some grease to plug the barrel with and something with which to protect the action.

The action is 134 years old and has earned every scratch, bump, blemish and pit. I dont want to take that away from it.

The stock will be finished in about 2 months time so I need to start planning the final finish of the rifle.

I definitely ned it to be up in action by next March for the CAS shoot in Carterton. Ideally I will have been practicing with it for a good 2-4 months solid befoe going to a competition.

If I practice at 500 yards, Carterton will be a doddle as the furtherest they set their targets is 350 yards. The target being a 1 metre square piece of steel.

I'll keep you posted as to the progress of this project.


Chris

[Wolf]

NICE WORK _b WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO START PISSING ON IT?
And are we going to get a report on what diet produces the best results?

"Dandelion: Quantity was high but seems to be inferior quality, black tea produced good colour but I had to drink gallons to get enough for the job..."

[Indiana_Jones]

Has anyone seen these Norinco JW-25A's ?

Look alike KAR98, but it's .22

http://www.guncity.co.nz/22-norinco-jw25a-mauser-98-style-rifle-xidp97036.html

Look pretty cool, but that money you spend on one could be used to get a real Mauser lol

-Indy

[scumdog]

Has anyone seen these Norinco JW-25A's ?

Look alike KAR98, but it's .22

http://www.guncity.co.nz/22-norinco-jw25a-mauser-98-style-rifle-xidp97036.html

Look pretty cool, but that money you spend on one could be used to get a real Mauser lol

-Indy

Anybody know anything about a Chinese M1 carbine copy in 22?

I suspect a Norinco but can't be naffed looking.

I need a spare mag (they're plastic and mine has a split.)

Crap trigger but a really straight shooter with the silencer on it.

[deanohit]

Anybody know anything about a Chinese M1 carbine copy in 22?

I suspect a Norinco but can't be naffed looking.

I need a spare mag (they're plastic and mine has a split.)

Crap trigger but a really straight shooter with the silencer on it.

Are you thinking of the Norinco JW14?

Marlin made the M22 M1 which is a .22 copy of the M1.

[scumdog]

Are you thinking of the Norinco JW14?

Marlin made the M22 M1 which is a .22 copy of the M1.

Def. Chinese.

Side-mounted sling, military type sights, barrel-band on fore-end etc.

[Swoop]

Hey Scummy!

See you are raising the interest of shooters again...:apint:

[rottiguy]

haha yep, me got a 6.5mm mauser, got rid of the wood stock though and went with a synthetic, way too heavy otherwise


Has anyone seen these Norinco JW-25A's ?

Look alike KAR98, but it's .22

http://www.guncity.co.nz/22-norinco-jw25a-mauser-98-style-rifle-xidp97036.html

Look pretty cool, but that money you spend on one could be used to get a real Mauser lol

-Indy

[deanohit]

I used to use the tubes of DIY blueing paste from the gunshop. I found that the best way of using it (got the richest blue and evenest finish) was to thoroughly clean the metalwork with meths to remove the finger grease then (wearing rubber gloves to protect the metal from my greasy mits as much as protect me from the blueing paste) douse the metal with boiling water from the jug, quickly dry it and vigorously apply the paste to the hot metal. I'd repeat that process daily until I had the desired colour then finish up with a liberal application of gun oil.
Thanks, got my Blueing kit today, gonna go down the shed soon and do the trigger guard first for a bit of practice. :2thumbsup

[Wolf]

Thanks, got my Blueing kit today, gonna go down the shed soon and do the trigger guard first for a bit of practice. :2thumbsup
I used to flush the excess paste off with boiling water and rub vigorously with a soft cloth

[deanohit]

I used to flush the excess paste off with boiling water and rub vigorously with a soft cloth

I'm down the shed ate mo', (wireless networks are handy) using the boiling water, but the cloth sounds good, the steel wool appears just a little harsh.

So far I have done 5 coats, it's looking good, but I'll definitely be doing the recommended 20 coats.

[Wolf]

I'm down the shed ate mo', (wireless networks are handy) using the boiling water, but the cloth sounds good, the steel wool appears just a little harsh.

So far I have done 5 coats, it's looking good, but I'll definitely be doing the recommended 20 coats.
Steel wool is rather harsh, yes. Whatever you do, never use a scotchbrite pad - unless you've done a shit job on the blue and intend on taking it back to bare metal...

[deanohit]

Steel wool is rather harsh, yes. Whatever you do, never use a scotchbrite pad - unless you've done a shit job on the blue and intend on taking it back to bare metal...

I was just using the fine steel wool it came with.
The cloth is much better

[hospitalfood]

my experience recently says give it heaps of coats, got an old 12 g SBS hammer gun the other day ( chas osborne. london), gave it a few coats of blueing paste and it looked great, so gave it an oil and it took the blueing right off it again.
got it sorted in the end but.

[deanohit]

I'm done now, wound up giving it around 25 coats in the end as I sort of forgot to keep a count towards the end and kept on going.

I'm stoked with how it came out, got some Rem-oil on it now, and it's looking great.

[The Pastor]

I'm done now, wound up giving it around 25 coats in the end as I sort of forgot to keep a count towards the end and kept on going.

I'm stoked with how it came out, got some Rem-oil on it now, and it's looking great.
post a pic up bro

[deanohit]

post a pic up bro
The camera is still down in the shed, but I will post some up tomorrow mate, I took a few from start to finish..

The metalwork was really looking sorry compared to the newly tidy wood, but it's all really coming together now.
I also got my replica manuals for the rifle and the scope today from the states, US$5 wasn't bad I thought. :2thumbsup

[Mr Merde]

The camera is still down in the shed, but I will post some up tomorrow mate, I took a few from start to finish..

The metalwork was really looking sorry compared to the newly tidy wood, but it's all really coming together now.
I also got my replica manuals for the rifle and the scope today from the states, US$5 wasn't bad I thought. :2thumbsup

Looking forward to seeing the photos.

I love looking at work that others have done on firearms. makes me quite jealous and envious.

How deep a lustre did you get?

What did you seal the finish with?

What's next?

Chris

[deanohit]

Looking forward to seeing the photos.

I love looking at work that others have done on firearms. makes me quite jealous and envious.
Read about it all here: http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1988402&posted=1#post1988402

The stock came up well, it still needs more rubbing, but I put the rifle together for some pics.

Also, does anyone know of a gunsmith who would be able to detach the handle from the bolt (looks silver soldered) and re-chrome it?

How deep a lustre did you get?
I was suprised at how good it looked, not as deep as my Brownings factory finish, but for my first go, I reckon I did real good.
Barrel was done this morning with 25 coats as well.

What did you seal the finish with?
It said to just oil it, so I applied some remoil and left it at that.

What's next?

Chris
Hahaha, my brother and me have a side by side shotty he wants me to do.
Not sure of brand or anything apart from the fact it's in rough, but saveable condition.

[Wolf]

Looks really good, Deano. How's your guts feeling? Nice satisfying glow in it? That's pretty much how I felt after I first restored a firearm.

Your method for getting the dents out of the wood is good. I was told to use a damp cloth and an electric iron but I found boiling the jug and just holding the wood in the steam worked fine - you actually get to see the dents pop out that way.

Looking at a nicely restored firearm, remembering what the thing looked like when you got it and knowing you fixed it all yourself, is an extremely nice feeling.

Best of luck with the shotty

[deanohit]

Looks really good, Deano. How's your guts feeling? Nice satisfying glow in it? That's pretty much how I felt after I first restored a firearm.

Your method for getting the dents out of the wood is good. I was told to use a damp cloth and an electric iron but I found boiling the jug and just holding the wood in the steam worked fine - you actually get to see the dents pop out that way.

Looking at a nicely restored firearm, remembering what the thing looked like when you got it and knowing you fixed it all yourself, is an extremely nice feeling.

Best of luck with the shotty

Cheers Wolf, I made sure I had heaps of before pics so I could see how it has come along, and it is a huge improvement.
Yea, so I'm well happy with it, it's one of my nicer rifles now, and it's because of my work! :woohoo:

[Mr Merde]

Cheers Wolf, I made sure I had heaps of before pics so I could see how it has come along, and it is a huge improvement.
Yea, so I'm well happy with it, it's one of my nicer rifles now, and it's because of my work! :woohoo:

Welcome to the club. Once you have the bug for restoringold firearms it never lets you go.

Very impressed with the pics and the write up on rimfirecentral.

You have done well.

Next project for you should be a custom rifle.

Build it from scratch to yuour specs.

Lots of work in that just deciding on what you want it to do.


Chris

[Wolf]

it's one of my nicer rifles now, and it's because of my work! :woohoo:
Yep :yes:

It gutted me selling the rifles, especially since the Miroku came to me looking like it'd seen service as a cricket bat and I gave that stock a finish like oiled glass that it never had ex-factory (the heathens had varnished it) and a deep blue sheen to the metal that it hadn't had since it was manufactured.

Thing is, I only bought rifles that were mechanically sound with unpitted barrels so all the damage was cosmetic.

I even toyed with the idea of buying a chequering tool at one point so I could redo the chequered grips and forestocks on a couple of the rifles I'd cleaned up.

[Wolf]

Next project for you should be a custom rifle.

Build it from scratch to yuour specs.

Lots of work in that just deciding on what you want it to do.


Chris
Jesus H Christ, Chris, you don't ask much, do ya?

I think there's a wee bit of a difference between steaming and sanding an existing stock and making a custom one to fit you and the lock and barrel - as you'd bloody-well know.

He's taken the first hesitant steps and here you are signing him up for the cross-country hurdles.

Looking at the resto work you've done and the stock you've made, I'm quite in awe - I'm doing well if a box I've made winds up square...

[Mr Merde]

Jesus H Christ, Chris, you don't ask much, do ya?

I think there's a wee bit of a difference between steaming and sanding an existing stock and making a custom one to fit you and the lock and barrel - as you'd bloody-well know.

He's taken the first hesitant steps and here you are signing him up for the cross-country hurdles.

Looking at the resto work you've done and the stock you've made, I'm quite in awe - I'm doing well if a box I've made winds up square...

Yeah I know but its purely for self gratification.

I really love the joy and happiness that comes from someone when they have done something new and different. Best buzz i've ever had.

Firearms have always been something more to me than just weapons.

I'm fascinated by them as works of art. Both mechanical and decorative.

Square boxes defeat me also. Give me something with lots of curves and I am in my element (in all aspects of my life).

Deanohit has impressed me with his work. Suppose I am just trying (too hard) to encourage him in this.

My work is still basic. Took me a long while and a lot of research before I decided what I wanted to do. Even now I'm not that impressed with my stuff, as it seems crude and amateurish to me.

When I lived in London I worked in Berkley Square. Half way between South Audley Street and Curzon Street.

"Purdy" was in the former and "Holland and Holland" in the later. For a year I alternated my lunch breaks between the two. They got to know me so well they used to take be to the back room to see work in progress. I tried to get an apprenticeship with purdey but they werent hiring then so i was out of luck. To this day I still regret it.

You should have seen the work that came out onto the floor of those two establishments. Absolutely beautiful pieces of the art of the makers.

Chris

[deanohit]

Welcome to the club. Once you have the bug for restoringold firearms it never lets you go.
Very impressed with the pics and the write up on rimfirecentral.
You have done well.
Next project for you should be a custom rifle.
Build it from scratch to your specs.
Lots of work in that just deciding on what you want it to do.
Chris
Actually...................................
I had got the idea from Que on Rimfirecentral with his 'Project Cheapshooter" threads using all sorts of different rifles, to get a cheap rifle and make a full stock for it out of Macrocarpa or even Rimu, leather sling, scope and so on.
Then when I got the Winnie home, held it and looked at it, I thought this is too beautiful to butcher, I'll restore it.

I thought of using my JW15, but that is just a beater gun really.

I have done mods to stocks before, thumbhole grips, different finishes and so on since I was old enough to get my license and own .22s.
But this is the first time I've mucked around with the metal.

Yep :yes:

It gutted me selling the rifles, especially since the Miroku came to me looking like it'd seen service as a cricket bat and I gave that stock a finish like oiled glass that it never had ex-factory (the heathens had varnished it) and a deep blue sheen to the metal that it hadn't had since it was manufactured.
Was that one of the BL22 lever actions?
I have one of those in a mates safe down home, real nice rifle, except for the fact that the previous owner decided to just screw the leather sling on instead of getting swivels.

Deanohit has impressed me with his work. Suppose I am just trying (too hard) to encourage him in this.
Don't worry mate, I am keen to further myself, and will have a lot more time and facilities to do this sort of thing in around a month when I move back down south.
Plus I'll have all my rifles in one place then! :yes:

[Swoop]

Here is a simple example of what not to do when you have a pistol without a proper safety...

Bloody tupperware guns!

STORY: The shooter had the little plastic "thingy" on his trousers. This has been caught on the trigger when drawing the gun...

[Wolf]

Was that one of the BL22 lever actions?
Japanese-made Browning Lever Action in .243cal - fucking work of art. The action was like glass, super smooth, a great little shooter.

I agree with the Scatological One - they are more than weapons, they're artforms (admittedly, some are "art with a capital F").

[Indiana_Jones]

I agree with the Scatological One - they are more than weapons, they're artforms (admittedly, some are "art with a capital F").

Half, if not more, the reason I buy the things!

Like I've said before, Love the Mosin-Nagant looks, also love the Mauser KAR98, wanna get one, but the price is abit too much for me at the time being!

Might have to settle for a Sweedish Mauser, I hear they're good :2thumbsup

I also want a Dragunov! That's freakin' mint!

-Indy

[Wolf]

I also want a Dragunov! That's freakin' mint!
Ooooooh, YEAH!

[deanohit]

Japanese-made Browning Lever Action in .243cal - fucking work of art. The action was like glass, super smooth, a great little shooter.

I agree with the Scatological One - they are more than weapons, they're artforms (admittedly, some are "art with a capital F").
Ah, ok then, mine is a .22LR, 15 in the mag, and light as, but it's STEEL!
Same thing with the action, smooth as, never had a jam, but the trigger is quite heavy.
Mmmmm, that wee rifle could do with a tidy up as well. :rockon:

[Mr Merde]

No photos at this time but I thought I would just give a brief update as to the progress of this project of mine.

The photos I posted up were of the stock work when it was at the stage of sealing the pores of the wood with rawlinseed oil and turps.

I have diligently rubbed this mixture in until after 12 hours it wasnt absorbing any more. Next I rubbed the surface of the woodwork until the sticky mixture was forced into the pores of the wood I then left it for a further 12 hours to dry. Once the was done I have started with the boiled linseed oil.. Started with quite a bit of this oil and rubbed it into the wood. Every 12 hours I habve rubbed a little bit less in.

I am now up to the stage of only just rubbing in a very little of the boiled linseed each time, just dipping my finger tips into the oil and rubbing this all over the woodwork

As a result I am building up a deep shine to the wood.

It seems to go into the depths of the stock.

Looking at the wood you could almost swear there is a coating of varnish or plastic over it.

Apparently the more I do the deeper and deeper the shine goes.

I figure I have another couple of weeks of this then I have to allow the coating to harden for a day or two.

These old time methods are brilliant.

[sAsLEX]

Pick up the new/first(well first legal) Rifle this afternoon!

A Remington 308 as alluded to earlier in the thread.
http://www.snipercentral.com/images/reviews/spst4.jpg

Now for a cheeky request. I am heading down to the family bach/crib for a bit of a test run in about a months time, but would like to throw a few rounds through the thing and get it sighted in before I go so I don't have to waste much time doing it down there.

Any one with access to a suitable bit of dirt to do this? Still haven't exhausted getting access to Whangaparoa..........

[sAsLEX]

I have one generous offer for a bit of land to sight up and that now opens up another point for discussion, which covered a few pages on a hunting forum I peruse.

Breaking in barrels and initial cleaning routines.

The suggested techniques varied from one shot, clean, one shot, clean etc for the first 20 odd rounds through the barrel to just clean it as you normally would.

And that brings up another topic of how often/ after how many rounds do you clean the rifle ? This again varies considerably in opinion so will be interesting to see those on here.

[Mr Merde]

I have one generous offer for a bit of land to sight up and that now opens up another point for discussion, which covered a few pages on a hunting forum I peruse.

Breaking in barrels and initial cleaning routines.

The suggested techniques varied from one shot, clean, one shot, clean etc for the first 20 odd rounds through the barrel to just clean it as you normally would.

And that brings up another topic of how often/ after how many rounds do you clean the rifle ? This again varies considerably in opinion so will be interesting to see those on here.

It has been a very rare event for me to be faced with this dilema.

My .223 being the last rifle I have bought new was sighted in on the 1 shot , clean princilpe.

My new BP rifle is not yet up to the stage of actually pulling the trigger on a live round yet but BP has rules all of its own as rregards to breaking in and cleaning.

I've been thinking about this Miltec metal treatment lately. Anyoner here had any experience with this product?


Chris

[Indiana_Jones]

I have one generous offer for a bit of land to sight up and that now opens up another point for discussion, which covered a few pages on a hunting forum I peruse.


dude, hook a guy up!!

Please!!

I've been trying to fins some land in the auckland area to do some shooting!

-Indy

[sAsLEX]

What more does a bloke need?


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Well other than a garage.........

[Mr Merde]

What more does a bloke need?


http://lh6.ggpht.com/thenakinavy/SMjp1rWfhkI/AAAAAAAABIE/aUJjE4XkflE/s288/small.jpg (http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/56koLi6wg9Tr8ZQ40O-KmA)


Well other than a garage.........

Possibly a "squeeze" as well??

[sAsLEX]

Possibly a "squeeze" as well??

For some reason they seem to "suck" up all the toy funds, all of a sudden on being single I have a new bike, a new rifle and money???

[Indiana_Jones]

What more does a bloke need?


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Well other than a garage.........

Niiiiiiice :2guns:

Man I seriously think we need a KB gun day aye.

-Indy

[Wolf]

What more does a bloke need?
Curtains that go with your bike and rifle?

[Swoop]

What more does a bloke need?
Nice work!

What scope???

[ManDownUnder]

so - harold says (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10531786) is was probably a .22 cal air rifle that shot and killed one officer, and injured another???

"One resident heard what she said sounded like a "car blowing up". Others were woken by gunshots followed by the screeching of car tyres."


Witnesses heard gun shots (with an air rifle???)
One dead and one seriously injured (with an air rifle???)


I know - it's possible, but I think it's hellishly unlikely... and my fear is a knee jerk reaction, "look what the most gutless ones can do" followed by a equally naive clamp down/ban/confiscation of anything that spits lead out the front.

It's an interesting one for me - I have no problems with reasonable controls being put on guns - licenses needed, safe storage etc... but I smell a rat on this one.

... An AIR RIFLE???

[Mr Merde]

so - harold says (http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10531786) is was probably a .22 cal air rifle that shot and killed one officer, and injured another???

"One resident heard what she said sounded like a "car blowing up". Others were woken by gunshots followed by the screeching of car tyres."


Witnesses heard gun shots (with an air rifle???)
One dead and one seriously injured (with an air rifle???)

I know - it's possible, but I think it'd hellishly unlikely... and my fear is a knee jerk reaction, "look what the most gutless ones can do" followed by a equally naive clamp down/ban/confiscation of anything that spits lead out the front.

It's an interesting one for me - I have no problems with reasonable controls being put on guns - licenses needed, safe storage etc... but I smell a rat on this one.

... An AIR RIFLE???

This morning on the box they were calling it a 5.5mm firearm

sounds bigger and nastier than a .22 air rifle.

Yes I found it dubious that people would have been woken to the sound of an air rifle being fired. Also must have been a repeating air rifle as two officers were shot and apparently more than once each.

Yes a .22 air rifle can kill, ask a lot of bunny huters, but range is a factor here.

The hype has started.

I'm not trying in anyway to run down those officers that were killed and hurt.

This smacks of the mass hysteria that alweays ensues when there has been some sort of firearms incident.

In 1965 in the UK, Shepards Bush. 4 Officers were shot to death by armed bank robbers.

The government in its widom, after the event, brought in licences for shotguns. This was despite the fact that the killings were done with handguns.

In 1984 (approx), Hungerford. Michael Ryan ran amok and killed 20 people. The government baned a lot of firearms over that one including pump action rifles. Once again despite there never having any incident on record of a pump action rifle being used in any crime anywhere in the UK.

I make these points because it shows a mentality of those who would be our masters to seize any tragic event and through the manipulation of facts and public shock, they pervert such events towards the furthering of their own personal agendas.

One thing that has given me pause to think after this tragic incident and watching the coverage on the news programs is the following;

Yes there was a shooting
Yes an officer was killed and another wounded
Yes it was a tradgedy
yes we are all offended by the event

but why after the event do the police have to make a showing of weiding firearms around the area.

Surely the perpetrators had fled the area. The AOS would have secured the area, road blocks would have been put in place and there would have been a very prominant police prescence.

Why then did officers have to patrol the area with their M16 clone rifles prominantly on display. Surely they could had stored them somewhere convienient where if needed they could be retrieved quickly. They could have also carried pistols which would have been less obvious.

[Wolf]

Sergeant Don Wilkinson, 46, is believed to have been shot dead by a powerful, gas operated, rifle which shoots a pellet similar in size to a conventional .22 calibre rifle round.
Believed? By whom?

First I heard about it, they were saying a shotgun. Now it's a gas-operated air rifle?

It'll be enough for us to get Philip Alpers piping up from across the pond with his usual anti-gun gay whining.

[pete376403]

When I was in the territorials I'm pretty sure the 7.62 SLR was referred to as "...gas operated..." referring to the semi-auto part of it. Possibly someone who knows firearms has accurately described it to a reporter who doesn't have a clue, and "gas operated" has morphed into "air rifle". Possibly.

[The Pastor]

Over-the-counter gun

The gun suspected of killing Sgt Wilkinson can be bought over the counter without a gun licence.

It is understood there are thousands of the high-powered air rifles in New Zealand.

The New Zealand Council for Licensed Firearms Owners said such guns had become increasingly powerful.

"Some of those air guns are as powerful as a high-powered hunting rifle," the council's executive director, John Howatt, told Radio New Zealand.

"You need to have a firearms licence, training and be assessed by police to have a high-powered hunting rifle.

"It is unreasonable you should be able to go out and buy an air rifle just because you are 18."

Police Commissioner Howard Broad said today he would be reviewing the Arms Act and the availability of air rifles

"Policy responsibility for the Arms Act is actually mine so I will have a look at that."

can this be anything else than fear mongering? power full as a high powerd hunting rifle? is he on crack? shouldnt somone in his job know what all types of rifles are capeable of?

[sAsLEX]

Shit and I just bought a 308 when an air rifle would of done!



Mr Merde - a few on a hunting forum suggest hand Lapping the barrel before firing to remove any burrs etc. Before googling I thought I would ask on here what that involves to add a bit more info to the thread.

[Mr Merde]

Over-the-counter gun

The gun suspected of killing Sgt Wilkinson can be bought over the counter without a gun licence.

It is understood there are thousands of the high-powered air rifles in New Zealand.

The New Zealand Council for Licensed Firearms Owners said such guns had become increasingly powerful.

"Some of those air guns are as powerful as a high-powered hunting rifle," the council's executive director, John Howatt, told Radio New Zealand.

"You need to have a firearms licence, training and be assessed by police to have a high-powered hunting rifle.

"It is unreasonable you should be able to go out and buy an air rifle just because you are 18."

Police Commissioner Howard Broad said today he would be reviewing the Arms Act and the availability of air rifles

"Policy responsibility for the Arms Act is actually mine so I will have a look at that."

can this be anything else than fear mongering? power full as a high powerd hunting rifle? is he on crack? shouldnt somone in his job know what all types of rifles are capeable of?

Another fucking "witch hunt" to pin blame on firearms users.

More dracoanian legislation.

Gun control is not about controlling guns it is all about controlling people.

Weapons will always be available to the criminal fraternity. Just the other day I downloaded ( for educational purposes) a book on how to build a .22 calibre machine pistol. All you need is a moderatwe amount of skill and a workshop and anyone can have this weapon. If you search the internet you can find instructions how to make or adapt a lot of household items or easily obtainable materials into quite devastating weapons.

[Mr Merde]

Shit and I just bought a 308 when an air rifle would of done!



Mr Merde - a few on a hunting forum suggest hand Lapping the barrel before firing to remove any burrs etc. Before googling I thought I would ask on here what that involves to add a bit more info to the thread.

Never tried it myself. Know the principle of it and can understand the reasoning but not experienced it.

You can get projectiles that have an abrasive compound in them these apparently do the same job.

Would be interested in what google has to say.

[sAsLEX]

Would be interested in what google has to say.


Barrel lapping used to have to be done on a production line to get a
good barrel, at least until the introduction of button rifled barrels.
Many custom barrels are still lapped for the highest precision.

Traditional lapping is done by creating a lead plug that fits the bore
as precisely as possible (typically by pouring it in the barrel over a
plug. The lap is removed partially from the barrel and lapping
compoubd applied. The lap is psuhed and pulled through the barrel
until a consistent pressure is felt though the action. It is often
necessary to pull the lar from the barrel and to make a new one, and
it's always necessary to clean when changing grits.

Properly done a lapping will make a barrel consistent to within a few
tenths (.0001"), typically 1/10000". In addition the barrel will be
easier to clean and can run for more shots without bad fouling.

Fire lapping is the lazy man's barrel lapping, and some say that it
does as good a job. Nothing will replace a good custom barrel, but
firelapping will improve most factory barrels and make them easier to
clean and fire more consistent groups.

Fire lapping consists of embedding lapping compound on the driving
surfaces of the bullet and firing the bullet through the bore. After
a small number of shots (5-10) the barrel is typically cleaned and you
progress to the next finer grit. I believe that LBT sells only a
couple of grits, NECO sells 4 with the final being a 1200 grit.


A fire lapping system http://www.rifleshootermag.com/gunsmithing/finish_0723

Interesting article on coating the barrel with Moly after lapping but prior to shooting http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/Barrel_BreakIn_II.asp

And a decent article on how they actually make barrels http://www.firearmsid.com/Feature%20Articles/RifledBarrelManuf/BarrelManufacture.htm

[Kaituna]

It'll be enough for us to get Philip Alpers piping up from across the pond with his usual anti-gun gay whining.[/QUOTE]

I Fucken Hate phliphead alpers..... Cock.:bash:

[Indiana_Jones]

I feel sorry for the poor bastard who got shot, but yea, just because a few are dangerous/immature with a weapon, we all have to suffer :(

I reckon they'll move to ban air guns unless you're licenced and/or restrict the power.

-Indy

[hospitalfood]

i don't mind p heads having high power air rifles.
as long as i have my .270 bolt action and my semi .223.
shame that the cop died, hassle for all of us.

[Mr Merde]

......
I reckon they'll move to ban air guns unless you're licenced and/or restrict the power.

-Indy


Yep, another inroad into people control sould be expected.

It is election time now and the politicos are looking for anything that will stir emotions and make them more visible to the general populace. Lets face it, gun ownership is a very emotive subject, both to pro and con lobbies are extemely emotive in thier beliefs.

I know I am.

To the great and silent majority we are only one step further along from the caveman. All they see is what they get from the media and politiboro and have been conditioned for years to believe everything they are spoonfed.

Ultimately a gun is only a tool. It can be used for both reasonable purposes (hunting, sport, defence etc) or for wrong purposes (criminal acts, intimidation, murder etc). All of this has absolutely nothing to do with the gun and everything to do with the person controlling it.

To combat the later behaviour the POWERS THAT RULE US find it suits their purpose (re election) to try and ban the tool rather than stop those who would misuse it. Unfortunately it is always to the detriment of those who use the tool for the former purpose.

Watch these people now pull out of somewhere the number of air rifles used in crime, the number of crims who have had them in their posession, the suddenly mystical power of these silent and deadly weapons (did you know that during the Napoleonic Wars there was an edict from Napoleon that any enemy caught with an air rifle was to be executed on the spot as they were unfair weapons).

There is a potitico in Aussie trying to get side by side shotguns banned because the second barrel is AUTOMATICALLY ready to fire so therefore it is an automatic weapon.Dont laugh this is serious stuff. Misinformation is the trade in stock of all the antis.

Sarah Brady and Teddy Kenedy, both strong anti gun persons, both have armed bodyguards to protect them

Hypocracy

[Wolf]

Lets face it, gun ownership is a very emotive subject, both to pro and con lobbies are extemely emotive in thier beliefs.

I know I am.
Likewise. Especially when it comes down to the lies and hypocrisy the anti-gun camp use - the post-Aramoana fiasco with that slimy little politician bald-faced lying that you can buy fully-automatic weapons over the counter without a licence being a case in point, likewise, as you pointed out, the high use of armed bodyguards by politicians - which is all the more hypocritical as the only reason a bodyguard carries a firearm is so they can (if the situation warrants) use lethal force against a human being. They're not carrying firearms for decoration or for purposes of sport or for non-lethal use (they have access to batons, tasers and pepper spray as non-lethal weapons), they are carrying the firearms so that they can kill another human to protect the mealy-mouthed bottom-feeder that is spouting on about "firearm controls".

I have no problem with Personal Protection Specialists, nor with them carrying a firearm to use if the situation cannot be resolved by non-lethal means.

The problem I have is with those spouting out "Firearms are evil" crap then hiding behind armed bodyguards every time they venture outdoors. If firearms are so fucking evil, then the anti-gun politicos need to put their money where their mouths are and venture abroad protected by purely non-lethal means.

The problem I have is with grandstanders fronting up in parliament brandishing a semiauto, describing it as an "automatic weapon" and blathering on how they "bought it over the counter" when the only way to legally purchase such a firearm is upon the presentation of a valid firearms licence (Cat A back then) which requires a police background check, the attendance of a safety course and the passing of a test.

The main problem I have is how much of a complete and utter mentally-retarded sheep the average New Zealander is to believe all the shit that the professional liars spout out and how incapable they are of recognising the truth when it is told.

Sadly, we live in a nation with a clear majority of morons who blindly believe whatever the paid talking heads tell them to believe so we have the government they want.

[scumdog]

Like tougher laws on air-weapons would stop the twats that shot the cop from having/using one??

"I don't think so Tim"

[Wolf]

Like tougher laws on air-weapons would stop the twats that shot the cop from having/using one??

"I don't think so Tim"
But, but, but, the tough laws on the possession of pistols stop the gangs from having them, don't they?

[/airhead]

[Swoop]

I have no problem with Personal Protection Specialists, nor with them carrying a firearm to use if the situation cannot be resolved by non-lethal means.
Whoever took this photo, was in the right place at the right time!

[Swoop]

Right.

Over the years, I have put a shitload of lead downrange.
I have done the business on countless targets, of all descriptions, be they paper, cardboard, steel, wood, plastic or "reactive".

Today one smarmy, clever-dick, bastard got revenge for itself and all of his mates.
The fu*ker!

Standing on the range and a gust of wind lifts up a cardboard D1 target (unused) which then proceeds to fly about 3-4 metres and smack me between the eyes... edge on!

Motherf*cker!!:laugh:

[Monsterbishi]

which then proceeds to fly about 3-4 metres and smack me between the eyes... edge on!

Motherf*cker!!:laugh:

I picked up a Remy .22 pump action recently, pulled the scope and refitted iron sights, at the range yesterday dialling it in, cycled the action and suddenly one of my fingers was experiencing searing pain - I'd squashed it between the pump and receiver... :shutup:

[hospitalfood]

well......im gagging to get my gun off.
have not made it to the range for a few weeks now.
war movie on telly tonight which will make it worse.
misses gets upset when i unload out the kitchen window.

wish i could just let a few off around the section.
some of my toys are seriously neglected at present coz i seem to spend time working on the house or riding.

i think we need a new law that says we can shoot from our bikes.

[scumdog]

I picked up a Remy .22 pump action recently, pulled the scope and refitted iron sights, at the range yesterday dialling it in, cycled the action and suddenly one of my fingers was experiencing searing pain - I'd squashed it between the pump and receiver... :shutup:

Wait until you use a '94 (or similar) and forget to keep your trigger finger far enough forwards when working the lever...

Or have your thumb inside the ejection slot of an A5 Browning when you (accidently) hit the bolt release...

Oh the fun

Oh the agony!!

[Mr Merde]

...
i think we need a new law that says we can shoot from our bikes.

You mean we cant?

oh goodness me does this mean when I have taken those pheasants walking on the side of the road I was performing a criminal act.

Oh dear I must go and flagelate myself

[Bend-it]

This is the thread that never ends
yes it goes on and on my friends
Some people started posting not knowing what it was
and they'll continue posting here forever just because...

[Bend-it]

well......im gagging to get my gun off.


:eek::buggerd::eek:

[Mr Merde]

Wait until you use a '94 (or similar) and forget to keep your trigger finger far enough forwards when working the lever...

Or have your thumb inside the ejection slot of an A5 Browning when you (accidently) hit the bolt release...

Oh the fun

Oh the agony!!

Remember as a kid my old man telling me about the Sten Gun and how if you held it wrong you were very likely to loose the last joint on your little finger.

The pain.

Caught the web, between thumb and first finger, under the hammer of a revolver I was cleaning, once. S&W 686. The firing pin punched a nice neat hole all the way through. Bled like 40 virgins.


Chris

[Swoop]

Yup. This shooting lark is dangerous... before you put any ammunition anywhere near a gun!

[Indiana_Jones]

That'll keep her protected in the field!

-Indy

[sAsLEX]

That'll keep her protected in the field!

-Indy

I went slightly more up scale.

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[Indiana_Jones]

I went slightly more up scale.

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but I can't use the gun if it's in a box lol

nice though :clap:

-Indy

[dpex]

The Gun Shed are the Browning agents.

They just brought in the most beautiful rifle. A .308, lever action takedown. Pull a lever, the rifle halves and fits into a back-pack.

I carry my Rossi .357 in this fashion. Undo one screw and it comes apart. In fact I never put the screw back when using. It's quite unneccesary.

I also got my pet gunsmith to make a Russion bolt-action .22 into a take-down.

But you understand that I NEVERA go poaching pigs in the Waitakeres or deer in the Woodhill? :--))

[doc]

Remember as a kid my old man telling me about the Sten Gun and how if you held it wrong you were very likely to loose the last joint on your little finger.
Chris

It still happens. Google the HK MP5K. :crybaby:

[Wolf]

The Gun Shed are the Browning agents.

They just brought in the most beautiful rifle. A .308, lever action takedown. Pull a lever, the rifle halves and fits into a back-pack.

I carry my Rossi .357 in this fashion. Undo one screw and it comes apart. In fact I never put the screw back when using. It's quite unneccesary.

I also got my pet gunsmith to make a Russion bolt-action .22 into a take-down.

But you understand that I NEVERA go poaching pigs in the Waitakeres or deer in the Woodhill? :--))
My old basic Gecado single shot .22 had one large slotted screw holding the barrel and action to the wooden stock - you could use a coin to unscrew it. Took less than a minute to take the thing apart which made it significantly shorter for back-packing. Didn't weigh a lot, either.

I'd love a nice light little take-down that can be easily stowed in a pack to carry as a survival weapon - single shot is all that's necessary.

[scumdog]

My old basic Gecado single shot .22 had one large slotted screw holding the barrel and action to the wooden stock - you could use a coin to unscrew it. Took less than a minute to take the thing apart which made it significantly shorter for back-packing. Didn't weigh a lot, either.

I'd love a nice light little take-down that can be easily stowed in a pack to carry as a survival weapon - single shot is all that's necessary.

Got a Gevarm take-down 22 semi-auto, large bolt under the front of the fore-end with a coin-sized slot, half a minute and half a rifle.

And due to a barrel bulge (long story long time ago) I cut down the barrel behind the bulge, now the overall length of it is 765mm so even assembled it's short-as. (Disassembled with the butt unscrewed from the action it makes a bundle only about 250-300mm long)

And I use a moderator on it, (which makes it look 'normal') a very handy/sneaky little rifle.:whistle:

[Wolf]

Got a Gevarm take-down 22 semi-auto, large bolt under the front of the fore-end with a coin-sized slot, half a minute and half a rifle.

And due to a barrel bulge (long story long time ago) I cut down the barrel behind the bulge, now the overall length of it is 765mm so even assembled it's short-as. (Disassembled with the butt unscrewed from the action it makes a bundle only about 250-300mm long)

And I use a moderator on it, (which makes it look 'normal') a very handy/sneaky little rifle.:whistle:
That sounds just the biz. Personally, I'd replace the retaining bolt with one that has a folding "wing" head that can lie flat against the forestock. If the moderator is one of the slimline models that's not a lot greater diameter than the barrel, I'd seriously consider drilling a hole in the stock to slide it into (like the cleaning kit in the stock of the old SMLEs).

Did you do the cutting down, belling and threading of the barrel yourself or did you get a gunsmith to do it?

[scumdog]

That sounds just the biz. Personally, I'd replace the retaining bolt with one that has a folding "wing" head that can lie flat against the forestock. If the moderator is one of the slimline models that's not a lot greater diameter than the barrel, I'd seriously consider drilling a hole in the stock to slide it into (like the cleaning kit in the stock of the old SMLEs).

Did you do the cutting down, belling and threading of the barrel yourself or did you get a gunsmith to do it?

The butt is filled with extra ammo!!

And my fitter-welder cousin did the job of shortening/threading etc. for me.

This Gevarmit works like a Sten, i.e. fires from an open bolt, has no firing-pin, extractor or anything attached to the bolt except for the cocking-handle.

[sAsLEX]

The butt is filled with extra ammo!!

And my fitter-welder cousin did the job of shortening/threading etc. for me.

This Gevarmit works like a Sten, i.e. fires from an open bolt, has no firing-pin, extractor or anything attached to the bolt except for the cocking-handle.

Great aye, and if the pin that retains the bolt is a little tight/worn then all of a sudden you have an automatic .22

[The Pastor]

kb shooting on sunday :) can't wait.

[Mr Merde]

kb shooting on sunday :) can't wait.

Can I come???

[Mr Merde]

Great aye, and if the pin that retains the bolt is a little tight/worn then all of a sudden you have an automatic .22

Nothing like a good "cook off".

After the ownership of semi automatic long arms was made illegal in the Uk the were a number of attempts to circumnavigate the rules.

Onre I remember in particular was a "pistol" version of the AR15 rifle.

We were given a couple of these by the manufacturers to try for a weekend.

Off to the range with 4 cases of 223 ammo.

After about 20 or so mags in each PISTOL something happened and the started to cook off.

4 cases of ammo (4000 rounds) most of which fired at full auto. Pull the trigger once and 30 rounds let go. The only point at which it stopped was when the mag was empty. What a wonderful afternoon.

Needless to say we didnt buy any of these pistols. Also the ones were were trialing were absolutely f@#ked

One of the other members of my club had a Micro Uzi pistol. He accidentally broke of a small piece of metal inside the mechanism and suddenly he had a full select fire pistol. Now that was real fun.

[Wolf]

The Stirling Arms fake M-16 (.22lr semi) with a matchstick jammed into a hole in the side of the receiver will empty its 16-round mag in very short order - more a ripping sound than gunfire.

That was good fun. A waste of ammo, but good fun.

[The Pastor]

Can I come???
if you're good!

[Indiana_Jones]

kb shooting on sunday :) can't wait.

Same! :banana:

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

Well I had 4 of you here today and a real plearure to meet all of you.

Indiana Jones, Renegade Master, sasLex and Curious AJ.

Glad to meet all of you. As I said you are welcome anytime you need to trry out your rifles.

Pick the right time and we have bunnies, hares and wild turkeys to hunt.

Phil the landowner was most impressed with all of you.

Really hope you all enjoyed yourselves.


Chris

[sAsLEX]

Was good to get a couple of packs of ammo downrange!

New rifle was giving some ok groups, prob more the fault of me not having shot in a while than the rifle

[hospitalfood]

Well I had 4 of you here today and a real plearure to meet all of you.

Indiana Jones, Renegade Master, sasLex and Curious AJ.

Glad to meet all of you. As I said you are welcome anytime you need to trry out your rifles.

Pick the right time and we have bunnies, hares and wild turkeys to hunt.

Phil the landowner was most impressed with all of you.

Really hope you all enjoyed yourselves.


Chris

sounds like fun. i have my licence and a few toys. what area are you in ?

[Mr Merde]

sounds like fun. i have my licence and a few toys. what area are you in ?


Franklin, Just south of Tuakau. HAve a nmate who lives in your town. He shoots with Dargaville pistol club. Put you in touch if you like.

Chris

[sAsLEX]

Just checked with Dad, his lever action is a Winchester 1892 Model in 38-40

[Mr Merde]

Just checked with Dad, his lever action is a Winchester 1892 Model in 38-40

that one we were firing today is a copy of a 92 Winchester. MAde to look old.

Designed by the one and only John Moses Browning.

Your dads one is a classic. 38-40 is actually a .40 calibre rifle. Bit of a strange calibre for them to load as they had the 44-40 already and this round was a little under powered.

Does your dad need ammo?

You can still buy it in the US but it would be better if you hand loaded it.

Colt also chambered their single action revolver in this calibre.

Probably best to use the real powder in it as they did produce them right up till about 1920, and their action is really strong but they were designed for black powder.

If he ever wants it to go to a good home let me know as you have probably guessed I am a real fan of the old stuff.

Chris

PS
I was really chuffed that you liked my buffalo rifle.
You four are the first to see it almost finished apart from Sharron.
Who by the way appologises for not joining in but was suffering from a bad headache (we were paint stripping before you arrived).

[sAsLEX]

PS
I was really chuffed that you liked my buffalo rifle.


I will have to come back down when its finished, and see whos rifle will be more accurate at 1000 yards!

[Indiana_Jones]

Well I had 4 of you here today and a real plearure to meet all of you.

Indiana Jones, Renegade Master, sasLex and Curious AJ.

Glad to meet all of you. As I said you are welcome anytime you need to trry out your rifles.

Pick the right time and we have bunnies, hares and wild turkeys to hunt.

Phil the landowner was most impressed with all of you.

Really hope you all enjoyed yourselves.


Chris

Just wanted to thank you again Chris.

Not only for letting us pop over, but for also allowing us to use a few of your weapons, that was awesome!

Black power looks fun :D

Was a real pleasure.

I think I can safely say that we all enjoyed ourselves immenesly :2thumbsup

Please send my thanks to Phil for allowing us to use his land :yes:

We shall have to definitely do something for the day when it comes to bunny blasting!





I was really chuffed that you liked my buffalo rifle.


How could anyone not like it?!

It's freaking sweet! :2thumbsup

-Indy

[sAsLEX]

Black power looks fun :D


Never would of picked you for that lot!

[Mr Merde]

Never would of picked you for that lot!

Its all in the heart.

If you feel you are then you are.

[Wolf]

Sounds like shitloads of fun, wish I'd been able to make it. Next time, if anyone is heading through or from Hamilscum and has room for an extra bod and a few rifles, let me know, I'd love to join you all for a shoot.

[The Pastor]

yeah cheers chirs that was good fun

[Indiana_Jones]

Trying to get some pictures up, but I can't capture images from the Video taken (it's like Blu-ray format), bare with me!

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

Got some!

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

More

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

More...

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

And the rest!

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

Just found this,

Gun fair in Auckland :woohoo:

http://www.antiquearms.org.nz/pdf/aaf2008.pdf

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

Just found this,

Gun fair in Auckland :woohoo:

http://www.antiquearms.org.nz/pdf/aaf2008.pdf

-Indy

Held every 6 months. Go most times as it is a really good show and you can find lots of bits for shooters.

[Wolf]

Held every 6 months. Go most times as it is a really good show and you can find lots of bits for shooters.
I went once many years ago, actually held a real IMI Desert Eagle - and rapidly came to the conclusion it was not a firearm I could comfortably hold and fire.

[Curious_AJ]

Got some![pics]

-Indy

as you can see i am in none of those... mainly coz i was the camera lady... however, i had fun doing it... mmm film... and shooting was fun too... though i must admit i'm shy of missing as i hadn't been shooting for at least 8 years... however, I now remember why I started in the first place!

^_^

Thanks Chris for making me do it... lol.

*is a ning nong*

[Mr Merde]

as you can see i am in none of those... mainly coz i was the camera lady... however, i had fun doing it... mmm film... and shooting was fun too... though i must admit i'm shy of missing as i hadn't been shooting for at least 8 years... however, I now remember why I started in the first place!

^_^

Thanks Chris for making me do it... lol.

*is a ning nong*

Didnt have to try too hard.

Glad you enjoyed yourself young lady. It was a real pleasure meeting you for the first time.

I know my pup (Tanner) liked you also as he hasnt been patted by one person so much.

DOnt forget that you are all welcome back any time. It gets easier and quicker to get to the place the more you travel the route.,

Chris

[deanohit]

Awwww damn, I'm jealous of all you guys now!

But hey, happy days, I was reunited with all my other rifles and shotguns when I got back down to my mates here in Blenheim last night and got them back off him.

Fun times are coming!

[Curious_AJ]

Didnt have to try too hard.

Glad you enjoyed yourself young lady. It was a real pleasure meeting you for the first time.

I know my pup (Tanner) liked you also as he hasnt been patted by one person so much.

DOnt forget that you are all welcome back any time. It gets easier and quicker to get to the place the more you travel the route.,

Chris

as it was a pleasure to meet you!

lol Tanner's a lovely dog, and ofcourse, being me, I can't resist cute animals.

I think in the future I might be interested in looking at more shooting, however, it's a toss up between guns and archery for me i think. Both of which I used to do in the past when I was younger, but ran out of the space when we moved over here.

[Wolf]

it's a toss up between guns and archery for me i think.
I love both. When I did an archery course, our instructor encouraged us to find our own most comfortable anchoring point that we could easily replicate, rather than saying "thou shalt draw the bow back to here and anchor here".

Firearms or archery - either is a lot of fun. Wouldn't mind trying crossbow at some stage.

[Curious_AJ]

I love both. When I did an archery course, our instructor encouraged us to find our own most comfortable anchoring point that we could easily replicate, rather than saying "thou shalt draw the bow back to here and anchor here".

Firearms or archery - either is a lot of fun. Wouldn't mind trying crossbow at some stage.

that's pretty awesome, you do need to find what you're comfortable with, it applies to both guns and bows.

mmm crossbow... looks like fun!

[sAsLEX]

mmm crossbow... looks like fun!

Crossbows are banned from hunting with in alot of DOC land, normal bows are less restricted...... though being a vet nurse type I doubt this would be of too much concern to you?

[Wolf]

that's pretty awesome, you do need to find what you're comfortable with, it applies to both guns and bows.

mmm crossbow... looks like fun!
I found three fingers below the nocked arrow (none above) and middle finger touching the corner of my mouth was the best place for me. It placed the nock pretty much directly below my (weak) right eye and thus made it easier for me to sight. Still had to shut my left eye to stop me from using it, which is not ideal, but I have to shut my left eye when using a rifle as well or it over-rides my right eye's view over the sights. With a pistol I can have both eyes open as I sight with my left eye.

[Curious_AJ]

Crossbows are banned from hunting with in alot of DOC land, normal bows are less restricted...... though being a vet nurse type I doubt this would be of too much concern to you?

you're right. I'm not much into the hunting aspect (though still an interesting thing to learn for reference later *files away*) I'm more into the target aspect of things. Same goes with if I was to start shooting regularely. Though if I was to get a gun licence I think it would be me trying to get a pistol one (coz I'm difficult) I like using hand guns ^_^


I found three fingers below the nocked arrow (none above) and middle finger touching the corner of my mouth was the best place for me. It placed the nock pretty much directly below my (weak) right eye and thus made it easier for me to sight. Still had to shut my left eye to stop me from using it, which is not ideal, but I have to shut my left eye when using a rifle as well or it over-rides my right eye's view over the sights. With a pistol I can have both eyes open as I sight with my left eye.

yeah I find that I have to close my left eye as well, particularely if I'm wearing my glasses (long-sighted) as one of them is worse, I can't remember which, it's really weird with being long-sighted. Though I prefer to be aiming with no glasses on as I can see more clearly that way. I found that I had to hold the bow quite far from my body when firing and also, with aiming (no sight on the bow itself) I had to be pretty much level with my eye line though if I touched my face in any way I found the arrow went *SHWING!* into a tree about a meter from where I was trying to hit. go figure lol.

[Mr Merde]

Just a quick message.

The four of you who visited my place last weekend.

Remeber the flock of turkeys accross the valley.

They just made the mistAke of walking around on the firing point of my range.

There are now 5 less of them walking around the fields now.

A 12 guage pump action works really well at 20 metres.

3 of which are going in to the freezer to replenish the foodstocks.

7-8 kilos each.

Chris

[Mr Merde]

God awful noise outside.

Popped onto the deck and there is now four of the damm things just walking around on the lawn.

They are just grazing with the chickens. Never seen that before. Very weird.

I'll leave them alone.

Must keept the stocks up.

[The Pastor]

God awful noise outside.

Popped onto the deck and there is now four of the damm things just walking around on the lawn.

They are just grazing with the chickens. Never seen that before. Very weird.

I'll leave them alone.

Must keept the stocks up.
if you need a hand killing animals give me a bell :D

[Indiana_Jones]

For people that like guns, movies, and both together, and want to find out what a certain gun used was, this site is pretty cool.

http://www.imfdb.org/index.php?title=Terminator_2:_Judgement_Day

-Indy

[doc]

God awful noise outside.

Popped onto the deck and there is now four of the damm things just walking around on the lawn.

They are just grazing with the chickens. Never seen that before. Very weird.

I'll leave them alone.

Must keept the stocks up.

GE free, I presume. :drool:

[jrandom]

For people that like guns, movies, and both together, and want to find out what a certain gun used was...

The answer is usually 'Franchi SPAS-12'.

:love:

(I've had a day out with one, and you wouldn't want to take the thing duck shooting; it weighs about 15kg. Feels like it, anyway.)

[Curious_AJ]

Just a quick message.

The four of you who visited my place last weekend.

Remeber the flock of turkeys accross the valley.

They just made the mistAke of walking around on the firing point of my range.

There are now 5 less of them walking around the fields now.

A 12 guage pump action works really well at 20 metres.

3 of which are going in to the freezer to replenish the foodstocks.

7-8 kilos each.

Chris

i dare say that cuts down heaps on food costs?

[Mr Merde]

i dare say that cuts down heaps on food costs?

Thats Christmas dinner taken care of.

[Indiana_Jones]

Gun barrels are pretty lol :D

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

Anyone here wanna help me work on the crown of my Nagant? :D

-Indy

[Curious_AJ]

Gun barrels are pretty lol :D

-Indy

as i said before, looks like photoshop... but its not.. o0o0h .. but yes, pretty! looks like spore logo... i used to have a pic of my head on the other side of a cannon, but it got lost.. doh.

does anyone know of any pistol clubs in the northshore or nearish? I want to enquire.

[Mr Merde]

as i said before, looks like photoshop... but its not.. o0o0h .. but yes, pretty! looks like spore logo... i used to have a pic of my head on the other side of a cannon, but it got lost.. doh.

does anyone know of any pistol clubs in the northshore or nearish? I want to enquire.

Auckland is running out of pistol clubs. Over the shore there is the navy Club, Dome Valley a bit further north and the next would be Dargaville. There are clubs further north.

South there is Hamilton , Waiuku, Fox road.


Chris

Nice to see your interest picking up

[Mr Merde]

Anyone here wanna help me work on the crown of my Nagant? :D

-Indy

Specialised cutter needed.

From memory you need to cut to a 11 degree angle.

I'll ask around.


Chris

[Indiana_Jones]

Auckland is running out of pistol clubs. Over the shore there is the navy Club, Dome Valley a bit further north and the next would be Dargaville. There are clubs further north.

South there is Hamilton , Waiuku, Fox road.


Chris

Nice to see your interest picking up

I'm looking up a few clubs for AJ and myself, I find this one in central Auckland, underneath the "youth town' centre'

http://www.centralshooters.co.nz/newsDisplay.asp?id=9&ck=707982

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

Specialised cutter needed.

From memory you need to cut to a 11 degree angle.

I'll ask around.


Chris

Cheers Chris,

I've been posting on gun forums and googling up, and getting lots of different stuff about 'lapping' & 'counter bored' etc, confusing yet interesting :)

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

I'm looking up a few clubs for AJ and myself, I find this one in central Auckland, underneath the "youth town' centre'

http://www.centralshooters.co.nz/newsDisplay.asp?id=9&ck=707982

-Indy

Forgot about that one.

Its underground on Nelson Street. Has a calibre max of .357 I seem to remember.

There is also Auckland Pistol Club in Takanini area.

[Mr Merde]

Cheers Chris,

I've been posting on gun forums and googling up, and getting lots of different stuff about 'lapping' & 'counter bored' etc, confusing yet interesting :)

-Indy

Check out Brownells.

www.brownells.com (http://www.brownells.com)

Massive gunsmith supplies. Will post to NZ. You name it they have it.

Chris