The firearm thread

[jono035]

well you can buy an indy pad - they are like a maxi pad for your shoulder.

That was to tame the awesome, overwhelming power of the Mosin, right?

[The Pastor]

That was to tame the awesome, overwhelming power of the Mosin, right?
sadly it did nothing for indys accuracy :(

[jono035]

sadly it did nothing for indys accuracy :(

He wasn't doing too bad though? The cliff seemed pretty thoroughly scared, at least...

[The Pastor]

he wasn't doing too bad though? The cliff seemed pretty thoroughly scared, at least...
target was as safe as bin larden tho.

[jono035]

target was as safe as bin larden tho.

True, was more likely to be buried in a landslide than punctured with a bullet...

[The Pastor]

Whats the cheapest rifle to reload / shoot (if factory ammo is cheaper than reloading.....) BIGGER THAN A 22.

[jono035]

Whats the cheapest rifle to reload / shoot (if factory ammo is cheaper than reloading.....) BIGGER THAN A 22.

Well for reloading it'll be something that shoots cast lead in a common size and uses small amounts of powder (assuming you're not going to be doing anything that mows through the brass) so something like a pistol caliber carbine would be cheap as hell (9mm reloads cost me 21c each).

Otherwise, assuming jacketed projectiles, find what is cheapest there. Again it'll be something small and light would be my guess, .223?

Edit: Raw materials cost is constantly increasing so something that is throwing a big, heavy jacketed projectile downrange will most likely be hit most by this. Cast lead will always be the cheapest because if you're casting from wheel-weights you're essentially recycling :D

Edit 2: A .38spl/.357 magnum lever action would be insanely cheap to shoot if you're reloading, same cost as my 9mm... 9c per bullet for truncated cone bullets that'll be perfectly happy in a levergun, 9c per primer, 3-4c for powder depending on how much you buy/what you use... There is a guy on trademe selling the cast projectiles but failing that, any caliber you can get berry's plated projectiles in would be a close second (assuming you don't want to start casting yourself)...

[The Pastor]

would 30-30 be pretty cheap to reload? think there is tons of brass available and you could make it a light powder / projectile i think for 100m tin can size range...... at least thats what im thinking atm.

[wbks]

Talk to a person before you make broad statements. They have a habit of comming back on you and biting you in the arse.
:Playnice:


Or you just dont really give a flying fu<kyea yea im a dumbass etcetc I could go on. sorry...

What's the issue with fowling silencers? Not that it matters with legal rifles, but I've heard that fully auto fire can foul silencers?

[Dean]

yea yea im a dumbass

:lol: :rofl::nya::chase::nya:

[wbks]

:lol: :rofl::nya::chase::nya:sack up for this coro ride or stfu!;)

[jono035]

would 30-30 be pretty cheap to reload? think there is tons of brass available and you could make it a light powder / projectile i think for 100m tin can size range...... at least thats what im thinking atm.

I dunno, find out what the projectiles are worth. It'll cost more in powder but that costs fuck all anyway.

[Dean]

sack up for this coro ride or stfu!;)

:motu::nya::first: :second: :yeah:

[sAsLEX]

Well I think Chris has more Military Service history than the rest of the regular posters here put together...

That's not to say he was out there sniping people while being peed on but there are plenty of people who find themselves in plenty of fucked up situations. Idolizing one subset of those people (especially a subset who end up in those situations very deliberately) is disingenuous.

Edit: Try noting the text you add when you edit a post, makes it a hell of a lot less confusing for those trying to respond to you.

Traf night last night.

Sat next to a Royal Engineer who spent time being shot at in Ireland, was involved in OPS for Bosnia, missed out on the Falklands as he was just coming back from Ireland at the time.

Opposite was a sailor who's offsider was killed by an exocet, and lived through receiving rounds incoming for extended periods of time.

Most in the room had served overseas in conflict.

Maybe you should talk to some of these people wkbs.



p.s. It was interesting to note that a SMG's rounds can be stopped by a wet great coat.

[Mr Merde]

would 30-30 be pretty cheap to reload? think there is tons of brass available and you could make it a light powder / projectile i think for 100m tin can size range...... at least thats what im thinking atm.

30-30 is an easy reload.

Got a set of dies here somewhere also.Yours if you want them

I have about 300 cases if you want them.

I no longer hve a 30-30. Donated it to Sniper a while back.

Easy round to cast for. Go for a flat toped bullet. You could also look at a gas check version allowing you toi oush it higher than about 1700 fps.

Chris

[Mr Merde]

Traf night last night.

Sat next to a Royal Engineer who spent time being shot at in Ireland, was involved in OPS for Bosnia, missed out on the Falklands as he was just coming back from Ireland at the time.

Opposite was a sailor who's offsider was killed by an exocet, and lived through receiving rounds incoming for extended periods of time.

Most in the room had served overseas in conflict.

Maybe you should talk to some of these people wkbs.



p.s. It was interesting to note that a SMG's rounds can be stopped by a wet great coat.

Very sobering talking to those who have been there.

At what range do you recommend the wet great coat.?

[Mr Merde]

Picked up the shotgun. She is a beauty. I'll have to work out a name for this lady as she really looks the part.

I was given at the same time the following;

1 set of chokes for the shotgun
1 shot flask full of #7
1 leather bandolier ready for 12 guage and 45-70
10 boxes of 12 gauge #7 shells
1500 Small pistol primers
2000 Large rifle primers
1000 shotgun primers
1000 #10 percussion caps

Bloody heavy load to carry.

Tried out the shot gun with #7.

Sweet as a nut.
Tried it for patterning at 15 metres.
The past owner has it choked down as both barrels threw a pattern that at the most was 12 inches accross. Blew a bloody great hole in the target you could surround by making a circle with your thumbs and middle fingers.

Took out a tin can aty about 40 metres.

Real easy on the shoulder as it has a recoil pad on it.

Shooting from the hip was a dream. Just point it at the target and pull the triggers. So easy to get the point of aim right.

I can see now i'M going to love this little girl.

It has been stripped of all blueing so it looks older than it really is.

rebounding hammers so quite safe to carry with rounds in the chambers and hammers not cocked.

I'll get some photos up when camera is repaired.

Chris

[wbks]

Why do you say that, sAslex?

[jono035]

Sounds like a pretty good haul there Chris, I look forward to seeing some photos!

wbks - maybe just leave it?

[The Pastor]

30-30 is an easy reload.

Got a set of dies here somewhere also.Yours if you want them

I have about 300 cases if you want them.

I no longer hve a 30-30. Donated it to Sniper a while back.

Easy round to cast for. Go for a flat toped bullet. You could also look at a gas check version allowing you toi oush it higher than about 1700 fps.

Chris
Might take you up on that offer chirs, could offer you some beer/wine/reloading componets for the 30/30 dies?

[Mr Merde]

Might take you up on that offer chirs, could offer you some beer/wine/reloading componets for the 30/30 dies?
I'll dig all the 30-30 stuff out and put it to one side.

Its yours

GRATIS

[Wolf]

I'll dig all the 30-30 stuff out and put it to one side.

Its yours

GRATIS
And this is why we love Chris - malicious little gnome tho' he may be. :2thumbsup

[Indiana_Jones]

Oh yea, I forgot to grab that 30-30 die off you last time.

I'll pick it up for Scott if I come down soon. We can share ^_^

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

... We can share ^_^

-Indy

Popular rumour has it that you already do share but as this is a family friendly board I refrain from mentioning what it is .

[Drunken Monkey]

Any casual shoots coming up? I still haven't had a chance to try out this M14/305.

BTW, anyone know what the deal is with the Cashmore range, i.e opening times, honesty box, etc...????

[Wolf]

Popular rumour has it that you already do share but as this is a family friendly board I refrain from mentioning what it is .
Too right this fucking board is fucking family friendly!

[The Pastor]

Popular rumour has it that you already do share but as this is a family friendly board I refrain from mentioning what it is .
Chirs, our love affair was a secret, very disappointed in you....

(oh and indys the bitch by the way, he loves the .......)

[sAsLEX]

Very sobering talking to those who have been there.

At what range do you recommend the wet great coat.?

They tested it on hearing the Staff Sgts story and hung a coat on a clothes line at about 25 feet.

Rounds stopped dead.




ps Chris still keen on the air pistols from your mate in the UK!

[jono035]

They tested it on hearing the Staff Sgts story and hung a coat on a clothes line at about 25 feet.

Rounds stopped dead.

Well there was something in some possible upcoming legislation about restricting bullet-proof vests etc. Maybe coats are the next things the police can try to make us get an E-cat for?

[sAsLEX]

Well there was something in some possible upcoming legislation about restricting bullet-proof vests etc. Maybe coats are the next things the police can try to make us get an E-cat for?

Why restrict protection?

Should ban airbags...... people would drive safer then.....

[jono035]

Why restrict protection?

Should ban airbags...... people would drive safer then.....

Well I'd say the argument in favor of restricting bullet-proof vests is pretty much the dead opposite to the argument in favor of further restriction on firearms in this country.

You're much more likely to be shot by the police than by a civilian, so therefore if you want a bullet-proof vest, you're probably doing something bad.

I didn't claim the restriction made sense :D

[Mr Merde]

They tested it on hearing the Staff Sgts story and hung a coat on a clothes line at about 25 feet.

Rounds stopped dead.




ps Chris still keen on the air pistols from your mate in the UK!

I'll e-mail him on Tuesday.

Wonder how much the flexibility of the coat assisted in this.

Ever tried cutting a piece of falling cloth?

[sAsLEX]

I'll e-mail him on Tuesday.

Wonder how much the flexibility of the coat assisted in this.

Ever tried cutting a piece of falling cloth?

It was due to the fact it was wet. I think that at the instant of the bullet striking, the water held the fabric together enough to stop penetration, and then the forward energy of the projectile was transferred to the much larger surface area of the coat which resisted movement due to having to displace a much larger volume of air.

[Mr Merde]

It was due to the fact it was wet. I think that at the instant of the bullet striking, the water held the fabric together enough to stop penetration, and then the forward energy of the projectile was transferred to the much larger surface area of the coat which resisted movement due to having to displace a much larger volume of air.

Sounds feasible but I would hate to be inside the coat to test it for real.

[Wolf]

Sounds feasible but I would hate to be inside the coat to test it for real.
sounds like a job for a tailor's dummy packed with sensors and ballistic gel (or, failing that, layers of plasticine). The tailor's dummy would remove the "how much of it was the coat being free to move" issue by simulating a layer or 2 (if it was a double-breasted coat) over a torso, the plasticine/gel would deform and let us know what happened to the "person" inside.

Draping it over the corpse of a pig or similar animal would also work and you can autopsy it later and see if the ribs broke.

For the SMG, assuming no law-abiding collector would fire one of the ones in his/her collection, a long-barrelled 9mm pistol would have to do.

If anyone decides to try it, I'd be keen to come along and watch.

[jono035]

sounds like a job for a tailor's dummy packed with sensors and ballistic gel (or, failing that, layers of plasticine). The tailor's dummy would remove the "how much of it was the coat being free to move" issue by simulating a layer or 2 (if it was a double-breasted coat) over a torso, the plasticine/gel would deform and let us know what happened to the "person" inside.

Draping it over the corpse of a pig or similar animal would also work and you can autopsy it later and see if the ribs broke.

For the SMG, assuming no law-abiding collector would fire one of the ones in his/her collection, a long-barrelled 9mm pistol would have to do.

If anyone decides to try it, I'd be keen to come along and watch.

Ballistic gel isn't really much use beyond penetration/expansion testing... I've seen plasticine used to good effect when testing 'bullet-proof' materials... Shows quite a large amount of permanent deformation which can be used to gauge how much of a wound someone would have sustained from the impact. Not having the bullet go through is little consolation if you end up with broken ribs and a collapsed lung!

For testing just use some loaded down .44 magnum rounds out of a lever gun. Easy to get them similar to a .45acp out of a SMG.

[Wolf]

I've seen plasticine used to good effect when testing 'bullet-proof' materials...
Likewise. The one I saw had layers of rolled out plasticine stacked to demonstrate the difference between a straight Kevlar jacket and one incorporating a Sorbothane blunt trauma pad underneath the armour.

There was a lot of deformation of the former and significantly less deformation of the latter.


Shows quite a large amount of permanent deformation which can be used to gauge how much of a wound someone would have sustained from the impact. Not having the bullet go through is little consolation if you end up with broken ribs and a collapsed lung!
yep. Make mine the one with the Sorbothane liner, thanks.

Didn't realise the gel's only useful for penetration tests. Thanks.

[Mr Merde]

Took the latest member of my firearms family out the back to the range, today.

Took along 75 rounds of #7 shot, 3 tin cans and a 4' square piece of advertising board (the sort the estate agents use as it makes a great target)

At about 15 metres I fired for pattern. Both barrels printed to the same place with the shot making about a 1/2 metre circle. The wads also pierced the board.

Moved back to 25 metres, pattern opened up to about 1 metre, wads didnt penetrate this time.

At 30 metres the pattern opened up to about 1 1/2 metres

Not bad for 18 1/2 inch barrels.

Now I started playing.

Tin cans set at 15 metres, 30 metres and 50 metres approx.

Hit every time at 15m and the tin can danced, both barrels seem to have an "improved choke.

At 30 metres the same thing, the cans danced. Follow up shots were nice and quick and I caught the can in the air on more than one occasion.

Now out to 50 metres. Had to change my aiming point. Put the bead over the can. Miss. lowered the sight so that the bead sat about 2/3 down the can. Bang and she jumped into the air. Follow up was slower butr again the can was airborne.

OK now I wanted to know the range at which I could hit the can.

For those of you who know my place I placed the next can about 3/4 of the way to the cliff from the firing point.

Placed the bead at the bottom of the tin can and fired. Bugger me it hit and the can was knocked over. Did it with the other barrel to be sure it wasnt a fluke and the can spun away.

OK so now I know this little shortie can hit out to about 70 metres.

Next can was thrown out to about 10 metres. Took aim, pulled the trigger and the can was driven into the mud. Mud went flying into the air. Picked up the can and there is a hole in it the size of a golf ball with a few pellet holes surrounding it.

This thing would be absolutely deadly as a home defense weapon if such was allowed. A central hit to the boddy mass would cause massive damage.

All I need to do now is to find out how it handles black powder and also how it goes against clays with both modern and bp.

To say I am pleased would be an understatement. I'm over the moon. I have a shottie that is easy to use, accurate, deadly and looks good.

She needs a name.

BLING TO THE BEST SUGGESTION.


Chris

[The Pastor]

Took the latest member of my firearms family out the back to the range, today.

Took along 75 rounds of #7 shot, 3 tin cans and a 4' square piece of advertising board (the sort the estate agents use as it makes a great target)

At about 15 metres I fired for pattern. Both barrels printed to the same place with the shot making about a 1/2 metre circle. The wads also pierced the board.

Moved back to 25 metres, pattern opened up to about 1 metre, wads didnt penetrate this time.

At 30 metres the pattern opened up to about 1 1/2 metres

Not bad for 18 1/2 inch barrels.

Now I started playing.

Tin cans set at 15 metres, 30 metres and 50 metres approx.

Hit every time at 15m and the tin can danced, both barrels seem to have an "improved choke.

At 30 metres the same thing, the cans danced. Follow up shots were nice and quick and I caught the can in the air on more than one occasion.

Now out to 50 metres. Had to change my aiming point. Put the bead over the can. Miss. lowered the sight so that the bead sat about 2/3 down the can. Bang and she jumped into the air. Follow up was slower butr again the can was airborne.

OK now I wanted to know the range at which I could hit the can.

For those of you who know my place I placed the next can about 3/4 of the way to the cliff from the firing point.

Placed the bead at the bottom of the tin can and fired. Bugger me it hit and the can was knocked over. Did it with the other barrel to be sure it wasnt a fluke and the can spun away.

OK so now I know this little shortie can hit out to about 70 metres.

Next can was thrown out to about 10 metres. Took aim, pulled the trigger and the can was driven into the mud. Mud went flying into the air. Picked up the can and there is a hole in it the size of a golf ball with a few pellet holes surrounding it.

This thing would be absolutely deadly as a home defense weapon if such was allowed. A central hit to the boddy mass would cause massive damage.

All I need to do now is to find out how it handles black powder and also how it goes against clays with both modern and bp.

To say I am pleased would be an understatement. I'm over the moon. I have a shottie that is easy to use, accurate, deadly and looks good.

She needs a name.

BLING TO THE BEST SUGGESTION.


Chris

This is my boom stick!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vD1JNWkt4o


Quality is pretty lame, but its a great clip.

[doc]

Took the latest member of my firearms family out the back to the range, today.
Chris

Did you see Sky Future weapons last week with the 1st shotgun designed for military purposes . Friggen awesome. Stainless, never needed cleaning no recoil , 300rpm mil purpose rounds ,designed for room combat but showed it at the range. Faaaark, I want one :eek:

[jono035]

Did you see Sky Future weapons last week with the 1st shotgun designed for military purposes . Friggen awesome. Stainless, never needed cleaning no recoil , 300rpm mil purpose rounds ,designed for room combat but showed it at the range. Faaaark, I want one :eek:

Was that the automatic shotty? That thing was unbelievably ugly but what a beast.

[Mr Merde]

Did you see Sky Future weapons last week with the 1st shotgun designed for military purposes . Friggen awesome. Stainless, never needed cleaning no recoil , 300rpm mil purpose rounds ,designed for room combat but showed it at the range. Faaaark, I want one :eek:

I take it that this is the AA12 you are talking about.

Yes bloody awesome, the pure destructiveness of this firearm is very impressive.

The shotgun has been a military weapon since WW1. In that war the US deployed companies of men armed with the Winchester pump action trench gun. They used 00 rounds , which for the uninitiated is 9 .36 calibre balls.

With 200 men firing as fast as they could and other men in the trenches loading the firepower was devastating.

Work out the maths

The shotgun holds 7 rounds

7 times 9 = 63 pellets
200 men x 63 = 12500 in the first load.
A man can empty these shotguns in 10 seconds or less
so lets say that they fire for a minute that 6 reloads

12600 x 6 = 75,600 .36 calibre balls downrange

If the kept this up for 15 min (random number) = 1,134,000 pellets in 15 min

The German high command, who authorised the use of mustard gas long before this, actually compalined to the Geneva Convention re the use of shotguns in warfare as cruel and not fair.

These shotgun companies were apparently absolutely leathal for any troops advancing accross no mans land, even more so than the machine gun companies emmployed by both sides.


As to wanting one yes it would be very interesting but can you see our govt allowing a civilian to own one of these when they are struggling to arm the defence and police forces with weapons that are of a design more than 30 years old. Tui moment.

[jono035]

I've seen a few videos of people shooting through various things (pig carcasses etc.) with 00 buckshot and the results are pretty horrific... Definitely works as advertised... Each ball ends up with a similar amount of energy to a 9mm pistol round (similar size projectile too) so you've basically got half a 9mm magazine in a single shell. Yikes.

Edit: 00 buck is 50-60 grains per pellet so more like half to 1/3 the energy of a 9mm...

http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs10.htm claims that #1 shot is better due to it still having enough energy to penetrate through 12 inches on ballistic gelatin but almost twice as many pellets per shell. Some of the level of detail you can find on how best to kill a human is kind of creepy.

Edit 2: Of course, that is only for home-defense so very short range. 00 is apparently effective out beyond 100 metres...

[sAsLEX]

Bought a new gun this weekend!

<img src=http://www.bluewaterhunter.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/media/cressi_geronimo.jpg>

[Mr Merde]

Bought a new gun this weekend!

http://www.bluewaterhunter.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/media/cressi_geronimo.jpg

Its got an illegal pistol grip

[Indiana_Jones]

Bought a new gun this weekend!

<img src=http://www.bluewaterhunter.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/media/cressi_geronimo.jpg>

Have you been watching this too much?


<img src="http://007.bond.free.fr/images/music/thunderball_cd.jpg">

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

RM and Indy,

Tidied up my reloading bench today.

Got all the 30-30 cases together.

198 cases of which 72 are already primed for loading.

Also have 75 projectiles, 175 gn

Dies are sitting with them.

2 die set.

All yours when you next visit.

Also I have the two SxS hammer guns ready and waiting.

Indy. I have foiund the hammers for the one I promised you. One completely intact the other has the lever snapped off, jusyt a matter of getting someone with some mech skill to weld a new lever to it and it will be good to go.

Polishing brass today.

30 45/70 cases, 200 .223 cases , 500 .44spl cases, 200 .44 mag cases and 200 .30 M1 carbine cases.

Once done I will have a load of reloading to do.

Need to get a top punch for the M! so that I can size the cast bullet heads I have made ( about 2000).

Got about 200 heads foir nthe .223, 60 nfor the 45/70, need to cast for the .44, I'll sit down next weekend and spend a day just casting, should be able to turn out about 1000 200gn bullets.

I need to get some black powder, some more modern propellant and some pellets for the shotgun loads.

Time to rebuild the arsenal.

Still have 11 boxes of #4 shot and 8 boxes of #7 for the various shotguns.

Found another 50 rounds already made up for the M1. Just tack the back sight and ready to play.

Running low on .22 rimfire. only have about 300 rounds left. Time for a new brick or two.

Had a busy weekend. House went on the market and we have had 3 parties through looking already. One came back today for a second look, she left saying that she was going home to work on figures. One of the other parties is comming back on Wednesday evening for a second look. Comming all the way from Thames. Things are looking hopefull.

I will miss the freedom to just pop over the back and go shooting but moving makes sense and a peaceful life.

Before we sell i WILL HA VE A DAYS SHOOTING HERE. a FAREWELL TO THE RANGE. I'll try and get all of you down for the day and have some fun plinking.

Chris

[Indiana_Jones]

RM and Indy,

Tidied up my reloading bench today.

Got all the 30-30 cases together.

198 cases of which 72 are already primed for loading.

Also have 75 projectiles, 175 gn

Dies are sitting with them.

2 die set.

All yours when you next visit.

Also I have the two SxS hammer guns ready and waiting.

Indy. I have foiund the hammers for the one I promised you. One completely intact the other has the lever snapped off, jusyt a matter of getting someone with some mech skill to weld a new lever to it and it will be good to go.


Had a busy weekend. House went on the market and we have had 3 parties through looking already. One came back today for a second look, she left saying that she was going home to work on figures. One of the other parties is comming back on Wednesday evening for a second look. Comming all the way from Thames. Things are looking hopefull.

I will miss the freedom to just pop over the back and go shooting but moving makes sense and a peaceful life.

Before we sell i WILL HA VE A DAYS SHOOTING HERE. a FAREWELL TO THE RANGE. I'll try and get all of you down for the day and have some fun plinking.

Chris

Cheers Chris, means a lot.

And kinda sad about the house going, it is the end of a short and sweet era :)

We shall make sure we poop down for one last shoot and drink :)

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

Cheers Chris, means a lot.

And kinda sad about the house going, it is the end of a short and sweet era :)

We shall make sure we poop down for one last shoot and drink :)

-Indy


I'll find somewhere else to shoot. I will go mad if i CANT GET OUT AND FIRE OFF A FEW ROUNDS EVERY NOW AND THEN.

The range in Ramarama is still progressing beit slowly. Recent changes to RMA should speed up the Franklin Council.

[Indiana_Jones]

I'll find somewhere else to shoot. I will go mad if i CANT GET OUT AND FIRE OFF A FEW ROUNDS EVERY NOW AND THEN.

The range in Ramarama is still progressing beit slowly. Recent changes to RMA should speed up the Franklin Council.


<img src="http://c2.api.ning.com/files/V3d3OCp3A2MLbERwMVCTpLUirpi6pecwnuV-MdnaqlL15nGjQhQIY5V1GugVbU0QnwZ4WFLwclbRmJXHlqTwn4 AOcIhl5XEK/EmperorPalpatine.jpg">

Good......Gooooooooood

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

http://c2.api.ning.com/files/V3d3OCp3A2MLbERwMVCTpLUirpi6pecwnuV-MdnaqlL15nGjQhQIY5V1GugVbU0QnwZ4WFLwclbRmJXHlqTwn4 AOcIhl5XEK/EmperorPalpatine.jpg



Good......Gooooooooood

-Indy

I didnt know my mother had given you the photos of my teenage years.

Wasnt I a handsome SOB?

Just refer to me as "Emporer Malicious Little Gnome"

[Indiana_Jones]

I didnt know my mother had given you the photos of my teenage years.

Wasnt I a handsome SOB?

Just refer to me as "Emporer Malicious Little Gnome"

The best looking cunt ever mate

I'd turn gay for you back in the day

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

The best looking cunt ever mate

I'd turn gay for you back in the day

-Indy

I usually have that effect of women.

The usual comment is something like this

"If thats what a man is like, I'm turning gay"

VELCRO RULES

you use your imagination to ponder this analogy, think of exactly what velcro is

[Indiana_Jones]

Ok my pure and innocent mind is lost.

-Indy

[Wolf]

Its got an illegal pistol grip
Damn! I've blinged you too recently.

[jono035]

It'll be sad to say goodbye to the range even though I haven't had a chance to shoot there regularly.

It is good that you're getting interest in the property, Chris, although that's hardly surprising, it's a beautiful place. Have you seen anything else that you've liked the look of so far?

[Wolf]

Ok my pure and innocent mind is lost.

-Indy
Don't gimme that crap, you lost your mind years ago.

[Swoop]

Bought a new gun this weekend!
Guess you save money by not needing to purchase a suppressor for it!

[Mr Merde]

Guess you save money by not needing to purchase a suppressor for it!

But what cost the shoulder holster?
\

[The Pastor]

Don't gimme that crap, you lost your mind years ago.
he was born that way mate

[wbks]

I probably asked this before, but can't remember and it must be atleast a hundred pages back now, so why do people recommend against SKS' as a first hunting rifle? Cheap, 308, accurate enough to hit an animal within a couple hundred meters...

[jono035]

I probably asked this before, but can't remember and it must be atleast a hundred pages back now, so why do people recommend against SKS' as a first hunting rifle? Cheap, 308, accurate enough to hit an animal within a couple hundred meters...

It's semi-auto? A bolt action would be a safer alternative...

[Mr Merde]

I probably asked this before, but can't remember and it must be atleast a hundred pages back now, so why do people recommend against SKS' as a first hunting rifle? Cheap, 308, accurate enough to hit an animal within a couple hundred meters...

A semi auto in a large calibre is a steeper learning curve when lear ning to shoot accurately

The same with pistols. A revolver is easier to learn to shoot with than a semi.

A good bolt action rifle can be very accurate with very little work or learning. A semi auto rifle needs quite a lot of work to improve its accuracy. You also have to learn to deal with all the moveme nt in the action.

[wbks]

It's semi-auto? A bolt action would be a safer alternative...Safer?...


A semi auto in a large calibre is a steeper learning curve when lear ning to shoot accurately

The same with pistols. A revolver is easier to learn to shoot with than a semi.

A good bolt action rifle can be very accurate with very little work or learning. A semi auto rifle needs quite a lot of work to improve its accuracy. You also have to learn to deal with all the moveme nt in the action.You mean I might tend to pull the trigger as fast as I can without focusing on accuracy?

[jono035]

Safer?...

You mean I might tend to pull the trigger as fast as I can without focusing on accuracy?

Bolt action is safer because after firing the bolt is closed on a fired cartridge. If you don't fire then it is easy to hold the bolt at half open or unload back to the magazine.

Semi auto is inherently unsafe because after firing there is a live round loaded. It is also inherently harder to unload requiring removal of magazine and working the bolt (against the return spring) and collecting the ejected round before sticking it back in the magazine.

I don't consider a safety to be an acceptable alternative, if it malfunctions, gets knocked off or doesn't get engaged properly, you're going to end up shooting yourself or someone else.

You shouldn't be shooting at anything that you need a semi-auto to kill anyway!

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Mate it's the first shot that counts, if thats good you don't need to fire again.
A good bolt action teaches you its 'quality. not quantity'
Having said that the SKS cartridge isn't bad, I think you can pick up a 'cheaper' bolt action for 700 or so. Personally I'd recommend .243, but then I'm biased.
Good luck with whatever you choose.:yes:

[jono035]

Yeah, I remember a guy showing up at the range to sight in his semi-auto .22 and I got talking to him about possum hunting. He was saying it was amazing how tough they were and that he could empty an entire magazine into them before they fell out of the tree...

I hunt using a bolt-action and it pisses me off when I don't drop them with the first hit...

[Drunken Monkey]

I probably asked this before, but can't remember and it must be atleast a hundred pages back now, so why do people recommend against SKS' as a first hunting rifle? Cheap, 308, accurate enough to hit an animal within a couple hundred meters...

The SKS might fire 7.62 (7.62x39), but not .308 (7.62x51)...Don't get them confused, they are chalk and cheese.
In fact SAAMI .308 Winchester isn't exactly the same as 7.62x51 NATO, but for the large part they are interchangeable, but that's another thread...

[ready4whatever]

I have a good collection, but my favourite deer hunting gun is my Remington 700 .308 that i won at a deerstalkers shoot. Its one lethal weopen with its 3-9 Zeiss scope. I've shot all sorts ranging from goats to sambar to thar. I recommend a 30 cal rifle but thats just me. Plenty of good .270's etc around that'll do the job (for red deer). Sambar and wild cattle i wouldnt settle for anything less that the .308. Those 400 pound+ stags dont go down too easily. For those I'd prefer my dads 30-06, with another 5 more bombs in the mag..

[Swoop]

Do not forget that the trigger on an SKS is bloody horrible... All the right ingredients to get you into the wrong habits.

[Wolf]

Do not forget that the trigger on an SKS is bloody horrible... All the right ingredients to get you into the wrong habits.
And for such a small round, it has a sharp, nasty kick.

I'm quite serious when I say that Shiny side up's .30-06 is a nicer weapon to shoot (old Husqvarna Mauser-action) - the recoil is there but its a shove, not a smack.

The 7.62x39 in the SKS slams sharply back into the shoulder. I fired off a few rounds rapid at Chris' place (as you do when you have a semi on the range) and it was painful and nasty.

I fired SSU's 'ought-six and it just pushed back into my shoulder.

[Mr Merde]

..... All the right ingredients to get you into the wrong habits.

Thats pretty much what I have been , in my bumbling way, trying to say.


WKBS -- The best gun to learn to hunt and shoot with is a single shot rifle. This will force you to use that one shot to the best of your ability and the capabilities of the rifle.

Once you have learnt how to shoot and can "call your shot" then think about moving on to a different action type.

What use hunting with a 7 shot wonder semi auto if you cause excess pain and suffering to the animal by not giving it the dignity of a quick one shot kill and rely on the "spray and pray" technique

[Wolf]

Thats pretty much what I have been , in my bumbling way, trying to say.


WKBS -- The best gun to learn to hunt and shoot with is a single shot rifle. This will force you to use that one shot to the best of your ability and the capabilities of the rifle.

Once you have learnt how to shoot and can "call your shot" then think about moving on to a different action type.

What use hunting with a 7 shot wonder semi auto if you cause excess pain and suffering to the animal by not giving it the dignity of a quick one shot kill and rely on the "spray and pray" technique
My first ever rifle (of my own, anyway, ignoring the farm rifles that I only ever "plinked" with) was a Gecado single-shot .22

Beaut weapon.

[jono035]

My first ever rifle (of my own, anyway, ignoring the farm rifles that I only ever "plinked" with) was a Gecado single-shot .22

Beaut weapon.

Nice. The rifle that I learned to shoot on (apart from .22 and .177 spring air rifles) was my neighbours single shot bolt action .22... Old as hell but shot beautifully. Many a possum was turned into dog food by that rifle...

[Indiana_Jones]

I love my .22 Martini :D

-Indy

[jono035]

I love my .22 Martini :D

-Indy

It's a nice rifle to be sure... Bloody heavy to fire free-hand though...

[Mr Merde]

It's a nice rifle to be sure... Bloody heavy to fire free-hand though...

Designed that way.

After the first shot you take it by the barrel and use it as a club to bludgeon your opposition into submission

Its a Single Shot Military Insult Weapon

[jono035]

Designed that way.

After the first shot you take it by the barrel and use it as a club to bludgeon your opposition into submission

Its a Single Shot Military Insult Weapon

Ah, I see now. It definitely would make a good club!

[Wolf]

Ah, I see now. It definitely would make a good club!
if it's anything like the BSA martini-action .22 I used to have, all I can say is: I'd prefer a lighter club that's easier to swing.

[jono035]

if it's anything like the BSA martini-action .22 I used to have, all I can say is: I'd prefer a lighter club that's easier to swing.

Lol, sounds like the discussions on hunting forums about projectile velocity vs projectile weight :p

[wbks]

Bolt action is safer because after firing the bolt is closed on a fired cartridge. If you don't fire then it is easy to hold the bolt at half open or unload back to the magazine.

Semi auto is inherently unsafe because after firing there is a live round loaded. It is also inherently harder to unload requiring removal of magazine and working the bolt (against the return spring) and collecting the ejected round before sticking it back in the magazine.

I don't consider a safety to be an acceptable alternative, if it malfunctions, gets knocked off or doesn't get engaged properly, you're going to end up shooting yourself or someone else.

You shouldn't be shooting at anything that you need a semi-auto to kill anyway!It's not so much that I need a semi auto to kill something, it's that for $500 I'm getting a brand new rifle that from what I hear is as good to carry around the bush as most rifles and takes cheap ammo that is powerful enough. Can't be less accurate than 60-100 year old 303's in the same price range, either. So developing a lop sided skill base ("spray and pray") , and not being able to handle the rifle safely is what you guys think makes it a bad choice? No one here seems to like them:sweatdrop

[The Pastor]

the sks's arnt brand new afaik?

[Drunken Monkey]

Yep, brand spankers. There's a few for sale on TM.

[The Pastor]

I saw a crate of them at serrious, they looked pretty banged up

[scumdog]

It's not so much that I need a semi auto to kill something, it's that for $500 I'm getting a brand new rifle that from what I hear is as good to carry around the bush as most rifles and takes cheap ammo that is powerful enough. Can't be less accurate than 60-100 year old 303's in the same price range, either. So developing a lop sided skill base ("spray and pray") , and not being able to handle the rifle safely is what you guys think makes it a bad choice? No one here seems to like them:sweatdrop

303 is more accurate and fires a heavier bullet, the main advantage the SKS has (possibly the only one) is speed of fire.

[wbks]

303 is more accurate and fires a heavier bullet, the main advantage the SKS has (possibly the only one) is speed of fire.Even the 303's available within $500? They're either old WW1/2 remains with "bore could be better" etc or parker hale's for over that

[jono035]

Even the 303's available within $500? They're either old WW1/2 remains with "bore could be better" etc or parker hale's for over that

There are plenty of ones with good bores for $100-200. They won't be sub moa lasers or anything but they'll shoot plenty well enough to hunt with. A hell of a lot of people do.

Worst comes to the worst, buy a Mosin...

[The Pastor]

There are plenty of ones with good bores for $100-200. They won't be sub moa lasers or anything but they'll shoot plenty well enough to hunt with. A hell of a lot of people do.

Worst comes to the worst, buy a Mosin...
wash your mouth out! no need to swear in here!

[Indiana_Jones]

There are plenty of ones with good bores for $100-200. They won't be sub moa lasers or anything but they'll shoot plenty well enough to hunt with. A hell of a lot of people do.

Worst comes to the worst, buy a Mosin...

lol nice

-Indy

[Swoop]

a brand new rifle that from what I hear is as good to carry around the bush as most rifles and takes cheap ammo that is powerful enough. ... and not being able to handle the rifle safely is what you guys think makes it a bad choice? No one here seems to like them:sweatdrop
Not quite. They are a great little rifle with a cartridge that is ideal for NZ bush hunting conditions and range (<150m). You can treat them a bit rough and not be concerned about damaging a nicer rifle.
I have one and use it on goats quite happily.

It is not the best to learn on though... the trigger pull is like dragging a brick over a concrete surface...:weep:

[Wolf]

There are plenty of ones with good bores for $100-200. They won't be sub moa lasers or anything but they'll shoot plenty well enough to hunt with. A hell of a lot of people do.
The sporterised "Smelly" .303 is a kiwi icon, was a time practically every farm had one. Crumpy immortalised it and extolled its virtues in at least one of his books (just finished rereading his most famous work on the subject for the umphty-umphth time). Robust, reliable and more than adequate for nailing decent-sized game and you have a ten-round mag for the day you round the corner and encounter a mob of goats - should be able to bag more than one even with a bolt action.

[Swoop]

A follow up from a previous post.

Russia and China are negotiating a settlement over the Kalashnikov assault rifles (who owns what designs and who should be paid royalties). Russia believes there are about 100 million Kalashnikov rifles in existence (most of them AK-47s and variations), and that half of them are illegal copies. China is responsible for the largest number of illegal copies. Russia and China have made peace over decades of Chinese theft of Russian military designs. The two nations are making joint development deals, to create advanced versions of old Russian equipment designs.

[jono035]

New toy!

Taurus .44 Magnum Stainless Revolver...

4" barrel (would have preferred longer for better sight radius), compensated. Comes with 4 speed loaders, 100 rounds of ammo, an IPSC holster.

Hopefully it'll get here next week!

[Wolf]

New toy!

Taurus .44 Magnum Stainless Revolver...

4" barrel (would have preferred longer for better sight radius), compensated. Comes with 4 speed loaders, 100 rounds of ammo, an IPSC holster.

Hopefully it'll get here next week!
congrats. Taurus have a good rep.

[jono035]

congrats. Taurus have a good rep.

Yeah, I've been pretty happy with the PT99 that I've got.

The guy is also selling a couple of 1911 pattern pistols and a .22 target pistol insanely cheap... This may turn out more expensive than initially planned...

[sAsLEX]

Yeah, I've been pretty happy with the PT99 that I've got.

The guy is also selling a couple of 1911 pattern pistols and a .22 target pistol insanely cheap... This may turn out more expensive than initially planned...

I want a 1911...... or a P226.... just need that license.


But I have too many hobbies at the moment to get the required range visits, especially now our ranges at Whangaparoa are closed!

[jono035]

I want a 1911...... or a P226.... just need that license.


But I have too many hobbies at the moment to get the required range visits, especially now our ranges at Whangaparoa are closed!

Yeah, I think that'll be the next on the cards for me as well. There are a couple of guys at the range who own IPSC kitted out Paras that are pretty impressive, but I think I'd go for a plain single-stack one without all the bells and whistles...

The guy who I bought the revolver off is also selling a few 1911s, a couple of cheap ones that are apparently quite rough around the edges and then a Peters Stahl 1911 that looks very tasty.

[Mr Merde]

Yeah, I think that'll be the next on the cards for me as well. There are a couple of guys at the range who own IPSC kitted out Paras that are pretty impressive, but I think I'd go for a plain single-stack one without all the bells and whistles...

The guy who I bought the revolver off is also selling a few 1911s, a couple of cheap ones that are apparently quite rough around the edges and then a Peters Stahl 1911 that looks very tasty.

What sort of prices for the 1911's?

[jono035]

What sort of prices for the 1911's?

http://www.gunstuff.co.nz/other_items.php?owner_id=100016

That is the guy's other listings on gunstuff.

buyout prices of $400 for the AMT 1911, $450 for the springfield (which is too long to compete in IPSC production apparently) and $1200 for the Peters Stahl.

He also has a walther OSP target pistol for $175 that looks decent too.

[Swoop]

the Peters Stahl.
Interesting that it is on a springfield frame. They make their own frames and the tolerances are much nicer.
You will need a taper crimp die, if you get this.

[jono035]

Interesting that it is on a springfield frame. They make their own frames and the tolerances are much nicer.
You will need a taper crimp die, if you get this.

Pretty much all autoloader dies (definitely all .45ACP dies) are taper crimp because they headspace on the case mouth. I don't think you could find one that wasn't?

[Swoop]

Pretty much all autoloader dies (definitely all .45ACP dies) are taper crimp because they headspace on the case mouth. I don't think you could find one that wasn't?
I will guess that modern stuff is all taper crimp?:scratch:
My seating die is roll crimp & I have to back that off a touch, then taper afterwards to suit the chamber tolerances. Yay for a 5 position press!

[Mr Merde]

Sat down at the reloading table and preped 800 M1 .30 Carbine cases.

Decapped, resized and ready for primer, powder and bullet.

Very laborious task but as her indoors was p1ssed with me it made for a safe and pleasant few hours.

Oh for a progressive press and all the components to feed such.

[Swoop]

Oh for a progressive press and all the components to feed such.
Do not visit Serious Rooters and perv at the Dillon range, then!:crybaby:

[Mr Merde]

Do not visit Serious Rooters and perv at the Dillon range, then!:crybaby:

I should be picking up a Dillon RL550 press next week.
Set up for .38 spl and .45 LC

[Swoop]

I should be picking up a Dillon RL550 press next week.
Set up for .38 spl and .45 LC
Niiiiice!!:yes:

[Indiana_Jones]

Need to move my reloading kit to my house sometime, shall get fatty cakes to deliver it to me.

Need to make some rounds up!

-Indy

[jono035]

Need to move my reloading kit to my house sometime, shall get fatty cakes to deliver it to me.

Need to make some rounds up!

-Indy

I've already loaded about 400 rounds and shot about 300 of those... what are ya waiting for??

[Mr Merde]

I've already loaded about 400 rounds and shot about 300 of those... what are ya waiting for??

Someone to do the work for him most likely

[The Pastor]

Someone to do the work for him most likely
prob just spare time, hes very busy with fixing his bike up after he crashed it twice on one ride!

[Indiana_Jones]

Someone to do the work for him most likely

Yea, mummy won't do it :(

-Indy

[jono035]

Someone to do the work for him most likely

Well I'm perfectly happy to load ammunition for him (for a modest fee, of course!)

BTW Indy: Was just looking through an old favourite website to find an article on soft ballistic material effectiveness and just found this!

Accurizing a Mosin rifle with a piece of cork. (http://www.theboxotruth.com/docs/edu63.htm)

[Swoop]

Someone to do the work for him most likely
Pfffft!

The "youth of today"!:crybaby:

[Drunken Monkey]

I've got an itchy trigger finger. When's the next shoot?

[Swoop]

I've got an itchy trigger finger. When's the next shoot?
Last night was suitable...
I'm bloody sure I could hear short bursts being fired somewhere near Swanson.:eek5:

[sAsLEX]

Who want some lead, I have 2kg of dive weights that don't fit my dive belt.... Chris?


ps any update on the air pistols?

[Mr Merde]

Who want some lead, I have 2kg of dive weights that don't fit my dive belt.... Chris?


ps any update on the air pistols?

I'll have any lead I can get.

Nothing back on the air pistols yet. I'll e-mail him again on Monday.

[JDK]

Howdy
Hey chris ya mate still got the 45 fast shot's on the market ?? mate missed out on a pair of 45's that were in the last bullshooter

[Mr Merde]

Howdy
Hey chris ya mate still got the 45 fast shot's on the market ?? mate missed out on a pair of 45's that were in the last bullshooter


Still available as far as I know. I'll call HArry today and find out.

Chris

[Wolf]

Any shooting planned out at your place this Saturday, Chris?

If there is, I'd be keen to head out and have a bit of a blast and finally meet up with some of the more firearms-inclined KBer's.

[jono035]

I'd be keen for some shooting too.

Indy and RM: I can pick you guys up if need be, although the pair of you arriving together on the scrambler with half a dozen rifles between you could be worth seeing...

[Wolf]

I'd be keen for some shooting too.

Indy and RM: I can pick you guys up if need be, although the pair of you arriving together on the scrambler with half a dozen rifles between you could be worth seeing...
If they did that, I'd want to arrive first and get the camera set up.

[Indiana_Jones]

Hmmmm Could be done......

lol

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

This Saturday I am off at a family function.

Sunday is free though.

[The Pastor]

dont think i'll be able to make it guys :(

[Drunken Monkey]

Me three? I can drive down/take passengers. Plus I've never been, so I don't know the way :(

[The Pastor]

then again, it is hanging out with chirs + guns. I'll see what I can do.

[Wolf]

I should be able to make Sunday but would turn into a pumpkin at around 4:00pm - have to be back in Hamilscum by 6pm for when the boys come home from Juliet's.

[Wolf]

then again, it is hanging out with chirs + guns. I'll see what I can do.
you've got to make it, RM.

[Wolf]

So it looks like I'm in danger of actually meeting some of the people I regularly chat with on here - could be scary...

Looking forward to seeing everyone's "toys" and taking mine out of the mothballs. Not sure which ones I'll lug up there yet. Will bring a bag of reactive targets (ok, ok, empty tin cans, but it sounds better the other way, trust me)

[Drunken Monkey]

Anything else needed? Printed targets or anything like that?

[Mr Merde]

Anything else needed? Printed targets or anything like that?

I have a few of the estate agent type boards. They mave very good targets as they stand up to bullet damage very well.

Targets can be stapled to them.

[Swoop]

I have a few of the estate agent type boards. They mave very good targets as they stand up to bullet damage very well.

Targets can be stapled to them.
They are a superb invention and also easily aquired. Most roads have an ample supply!:yes:

[Indiana_Jones]

I shall have to buy and make up some 7.62x54R in that case.

Will make it a Mosin day :)

-Indy

[Wolf]

Cool, so what time do we turn up?

[Drunken Monkey]

Quote is useful for comparions!


Finally shot my M14 clone, the Norinco M305, today.

As did I on Saturday evening.


Drove down to Mr Merde's place in Onewhero for a play. Gosh, I wish I lived in the countryside! Wide open spaces. Sigh.

I wasn't so lucky, but an hour and bit drive out of Aucks then off the beaten track was a suitably deserted bay, no farms or baches around for a couple of kms.


I haven't shot an M1, M1A or M14 before, and IMHO, the M305 shoots very softly. Very little perceived recoil for a .308.


Nice trigger pull; heavy, but clean, with a short initial takeup

Agreed, heavy(ish) and crisp.


and then what feels like about a 7lb break.

I'll take his word for it.



Not quite as crisp as a Sako or Savage, of course, but we are talking a Chinese copy of an American military rifle, and for what it is, it feels great.

Indeed.


A gentle push back into the shoulder and a nice smooth BOOM from the muzzle.

Yes, the basic design of this type of rifle causes a rotation instead of a direct push back into the shoulde, which may account of some of this. Despite the rifle's tendancy to jump up under kick while firing, it's not by any stretch of the imagination difficult to bring back down for quick follow-up shots (goats - you have been warned!)


I'd need a quiet morning with a spotting scope to put a few hundred rounds through it and get a feel for the iron sights before I could confidently comment on its accuracy, but it certainly gives the impression of being MOA-capable.

We had no difficulty plinking out palm-sized bundles of holes at 100m, sitting and prone. Mr Merde managed a 1-inch 3-round group at one point.


Erm, no comment. Wasn't aiming at anything in particular, just watching the splashes.


Absolutely no hassles with feeding and firing, apart from the fact that the supplied five-round magazines were a very tight fit; it took a bit of shooting and playing around to get them inserting properly every time. The twenty-round magazines the rifle was designed to take would be a lot easier to work with.

It does have a heavyish spring, you may want to watch your fingers, but otherwise yes I find the 5 round magazines diffucult to remove quickly. Maybe someone should surrepticiously smuggle in some 20 round mags for us. Or perhaps someone with an E-cat could just buy them legimately (my customer brought in 10 for his M1A).


On the whole, once I got the hang of loading it and locking the mag home, it felt like it'd be just about impossible to jam or misfeed. About as bullet-proof (sic) as an automatic 30-calibre rifle gets.

I found slapping the magazine in hard, or giving it an extra tap with the palm of the hand to make sure its locked in tight seems to do the trick.


On the whole, the Norinco M305 is about the best value for money one can get in a new rifle at the moment, I'd say. A lovely little piece of carefully-replicated history. Apparently there are a fair few left in the country for sale still (you can get them from Sportways and Reloaders in Auckland, and Gun City in Christchurch) and they're going for $900 - $1000.

If you can scrape the cash together, guys, just buy one. You'll keep it forever and never regret it.

Can't disagree with that either. At today's prices you can get 2 from Reloaders in Onehunga for $1300. SAI are doing them for $689. This is probably the best value for money semi-auto, A-cat centrefire rifle you can buy. I reckon it will increase your survivability probability in a Zombie apocalypse at least 10 fold.


My one's going to see a lot of service at matches and drop a fair few four-legged beasties over the coming decades, that's for sure.

I'm just going to kill goats. And the occasional tin can.


:niceone:



Yes, it is an exact M14 copy, right down to the receiver cutouts (hidden by the M305's wooden stock) that accept a rock 'n' roll selector switch...

I have a synthetic stock version, I prefer the lighter weight and easier care of the synthetics. I expect the wood stock would be harder wearing and longer lasting?

Another notable differences is the flash hider is fake (it's solid, just indented where the holes would be).

All in all, I am pleased with the purchase especially because I only get out to shoot a couple times a year. You get all this functionality and looks for what is really just chump change, so you don't walk past your rack and see a $4000 rifle gathering dust.

[Wolf]

I shall have to buy and make up some 7.62x54R in that case.

Will make it a Mosin day :)

-Indy
Hmmm, might have to bring my Russian along - with a supply of 7.62x39...

[Mr Merde]

They are a superb invention and also easily aquired. Most roads have an ample supply!:yes:

I was given 3 of them from the people at work.

About A0 size

One has been peppered with shotgun pellets and still holds up very well. Another has hole from the 45-70 in it.

Ive seen worse bullet damage on paper and wood targets than is visible on these.

Excellent targets or backing for such.

[Mr Merde]

Meant to say.

I got the A0 size targets just to make it easier for Indy and other Mosin shooters to actually hit something other than the 900 sq metre cliff face

[Wolf]

So that's me, DM, Indy, possibly RM - who else usually shoots out at Chris' place?

[jono035]

I reckon it will increase your survivability probability in a Zombie apocalypse at least 10 fold.

Better than nothing, certainly.

It still has nothing on a large caliber pistol or shotgun when it comes to zombie defense however.

Wolf: Barring nothing too unexpected I will be there as well.

Drunken Monkey: I can meet up with you somewhere and lead a convoy if needed?

[Drunken Monkey]

Better than nothing, certainly.

It still has nothing on a large caliber pistol or shotgun when it comes to zombie defense however.

Wolf: Barring nothing too unexpected I will be there as well.

Drunken Monkey: I can meet up with you somewhere and lead a convoy if needed?

Shotguns with double-ought are great for 30 meters or less, but when a horde comes rushing towards you because some schmuck sets off a car alarm, you need to reach out and touch them before they get close enough to bite. I like to start popping zombies off at around 200m+, this is just impossible with a shotgun.
A Colt Python in .357 magnum makes a good backup, but the question there is do ya leave the last round for yourself, or do you fire that last one at a zombie and trust your mates to shoot you when you turn?


A meet up would be good. PM me details closer to the time.

[Wolf]

Wolf: Barring nothing too unexpected I will be there as well.
Great. This'll rival the Cold Kiwi for meeting up with KBers!

What time's suitable for turning up, Chris? Wouldn't want to interrupt Sunday Mass...

[Mr Merde]

Great. This'll rival the Cold Kiwi for meeting up with KBers!

What time's suitable for turning up, Chris? Wouldn't want to interrupt Sunday Mass...

From noon onwards is OK.

Had a word with the boss so she is not going to be supprised.

[Wolf]

A Colt Python in .357 magnum makes a good backup, but the question there is do ya leave the last round for yourself, or do you fire that last one at a zombie and trust your mates to shoot you when you turn?
Depends on who ya mates are - with some of my mates, I'd go with a high-capacity semi and a couple of extra mags as I'd be needing all the ammo I can get to shoot them when they turn...

[Wolf]

From noon onwards is OK.

Had a word with the boss so she is not going to be supprised.
cool as, will at least be able to get in a few hours of shooting and bullshitting before I have to go back and don my solo dad hat...

and shackles.

[Mr Merde]

Depends on who ya mates are - with some of my mates, I'd go with a high-capacity semi and a couple of extra mags as I'd be needing all the ammo I can get to shoot them when they turn...

Yea tho I walk through the valey of the shadow of death
I will fear no evil
Cos I am the meanest son of a bitch in the valley.

Zombies are pussies

You try taking on "her indoors" when she is in a bad mood.

[Wolf]

Zombies are pussies
True, but they'd totally own some of my mates...

[Wolf]

You try taking on "her indoors" when she is in a bad mood.
I'll pass, thanks. Zombie Apocalypse and Chuck Norris I can handle but there are some things I won't take on...

[Mr Merde]

I'll pass, thanks. Zombie Apocalypse and Chuck Norris I can handle but there are some things I won't take on...

I respect a man who knows his limitations.

Indy, take note. Keep your latest squeeze on a short rope.

[Mr Merde]

So what toys can I expect?

I have 16 rounds left for the 45-70.

Anyone game? My shoulder had a bruise for 4 days after 32 rounds.

I have 60 M1 carbine rounds ready. May get time to make some more.

No .44 made yet as I havent cast the heads for it.

Might try and throw together some .223.

Shotgun rounds (about 400 of these)

[Drunken Monkey]

Toy box:

Parker Hale 1200 98 sportster in .243
Remington 597 in .22 mag
Norinco M305
Remington 870

Plenty of ammo for all, so if anyone wants to try any of them out you're more than welcome to.

[jono035]

Probably just my target .22 but I'm there with bells on if there are rounds going spare for the 45-70...

I really need to get myself another rifle to play with...

[Wolf]

This is when we need the range up and running so the pistols can be brought out. Would love to try out a 9mm one day.

EDIT:
I'll be bringing at least my Brno and possibly the SKS

[Mr Merde]

Probably just my target .22 but I'm there with bells on if there are rounds going spare for the 45-70...

I really need to get myself another rifle to play with...

16 rounds of 45-70.

535 gn bullet powered by 64 gns of FFg BP
All this in a rifle that weighs about 8lbs, with a 29" barrel.

Did I mention that it had a steel crescent butt plate.

[Wolf]

16 rounds of 45-70.

535 gn bullet powered by 64 gns of FFg BP
All this in a rifle that weighs about 8lbs, with a 29" barrel.

Did I mention that it had a steel crescent butt plate.
yes, that's why I'm not rushing to volunteer to fire it...

[Mr Merde]

yes, that's why I'm not rushing to volunteer to fire it...

The pain does go away. Its called numbness.

Dont forget these rifles were built for military cadets to use.

Thats boys of between 16 and 18 years of age.

Thats why the barrel is cut down to 29 inches as opposed to the full military of 32 inches

Also why the stock is 9 1/2 inches instead of the 10 1/2 of the military issue.

All of you with the possible exception of RM and Indy, are grown men. Surely you can stand a little pain.

[Drunken Monkey]

But back in those days 16-18 year old boys were 8 foot tall, lived in lakes, walked to and from school in bare feet up hill both ways, they were bred hard.

[Wolf]

But back in those days 16-18 year old boys were 8 foot tall, lived in lakes, walked to and from school in bare feet up hill both ways, they were bred hard.
They're also a lot younger, fitter and have supple bones...

[sAsLEX]

Winchester Model 92 in 38-40
Remington 700 in .308
Ruger 10/22 in .22


Not sure how much ammo I have for these but will be there if I can get a ride.

[Brock]

does any one no were to get a cheap e cat gun safe for 2 guns :sunny::yes:

[jono035]

Winchester Model 92 in 38-40
Remington 700 in .308
Ruger 10/22 in .22


Not sure how much ammo I have for these but will be there if I can get a ride.

I'm going to pick up RM and Indy from the shore and there is a spare seat if required...

And I'm sure the 45-70 will be painful, that's half the fun! With the shorty .44 magnum revolver somewhere in courier van on its way here I should probably get used to that feeling...

Wolf: Tuesdays or Thursdays at 7pm in central city, gimme a day or 2 notice and bring $15 for visitors fee, I'll bring the .22, the 9mm and the .44!

[sAsLEX]

I'm going to pick up RM and Indy from the shore and there is a spare seat if required...

And I'm sure the 45-70 will be painful, that's half the fun! With the shorty .44 magnum revolver somewhere in courier van on its way here I should probably get used to that feeling...

Wolf: Tuesdays or Thursdays at 7pm in central city, gimme a day or 2 notice and bring $15 for visitors fee, I'll bring the .22, the 9mm and the .44!

What sort of car? My gun case is a little excessive!

[Drunken Monkey]

What sort of car? My gun case is a little excessive!

I can pick you up in the Evo if you like. PM me.

Maybe Jono should swing by Alex's on the way back through South and we can convoy from there?

[Drunken Monkey]

Winchester Model 92 in 38-40
Remington 700 in .308 <<=== oooh oooh oooh me wants!!!!
Ruger 10/22 in .22


............

[sAsLEX]

............

its the Tacticool version as well.....

I am Shore based as well.

[Mr Merde]

sAslex,

On Trade me there is some 38-40 ammo for sale

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting-shooting/Ammunition/auction-252766040.htm

[sAsLEX]

sAslex,

On Trade me there is some 38-40 ammo for sale

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Hunting-shooting/Ammunition/auction-252766040.htm

Will watch that with interest.

Bugger its on trademe else I might of asked a question

Anyone have a fake FAL # that works on trademe?

[jono035]

Alex - Accord Wagon but with stereo gear in the boot. It fits my pillarlock case for me .22 target rifle but only just. We'll be able to sort something out anyway, just let me know if you need.

[Mr Merde]

Will watch that with interest.

Bugger its on trademe else I might of asked a question

Anyone have a fake FAL # that works on trademe?

Go to this traders other listings and ask your question there. He has clothes for sale and as far as I know you dont have to putr your firearms number to ask questions on clothes.

[The Pastor]

Go to this traders other listings and ask your question there. He has clothes for sale and as far as I know you dont have to putr your firearms number to ask questions on clothes.
Quick we better inform TM of such a loophole in the system, think of all the crime that could happen!

[Drunken Monkey]

Alex - Accord Wagon but with stereo gear in the boot. It fits my pillarlock case for me .22 target rifle but only just. We'll be able to sort something out anyway, just let me know if you need.

If there's going to be a gear problem, put the back seats down and we'll go 2 x 2...

[Mr Merde]

Quick we better inform TM of such a loophole in the system, think of all the crime that could happen!

Isnt it past your bedtime young man?

[The Pastor]

Isnt it past your bedtime young man?
Almost, Indy's mum dosent get home for another hour.

[geoffm]

Any shooting planned out at your place this Saturday, Chris?

If there is, I'd be keen to head out and have a bit of a blast and finally meet up with some of the more firearms-inclined KBer's.

I could always bring the Armalite :-)

[Wolf]

My word, It's shaping up for quite a crowd - if that cliff had boots, it'd be quakin' in 'em.

[Mr Merde]

My word, It's shaping up for quite a crowd - if that cliff had boots, it'd be quakin' in 'em.

SO who is comming?

[JDK]

I would if i could but can't long drive there and back in a day

[Mr Merde]

I would if i could but can't long drive there and back in a day

You are excused.

It was great chatting to you last night.

[Indiana_Jones]

I'll be there, will get in contact with jonno tonight to sort out our travel arrangement :)

-Indy

[Wolf]

I'll be there.

[Drunken Monkey]

I am in, definately.

[jono035]

I'll be there for sure.

DM: Yeah, could also just leave the subs out of the car too, either or. We'll see how it goes.

[sAsLEX]

I will be there.

[Drunken Monkey]

bah, did an equipment check this arvo only to the the spare mag I bought the 597 (texmo's old rifle) had some wierd sort of corrosion on it. :angry2:
The original mag was plastic, and I had the occasional feed issue that is well documented on these rifles, so I thought I'd 'upgrade' to the metal one. IIRC I still had some feed issues, just less frequently.
Of course after I found it in this state, it was practically rooted. I've pulled it apart and tried to clean it up as best as possible, but I suspect it is now worse than the original one! :brick:
Further research on the web shows this is not unique (!), and Remington have released a 3rd generation of magazine to resolve the 'issue' !!!! OMG!

Shoulda kept the shitty old Sterling, just talked to my mate today it still hasn't missed a beat and he's put about 300 rounds through it.

[jrandom]

I'll be there.

Sold the M305 a few months ago, as I've had zero opportunities for shooting this year and needed the cash.

But I'll turn up and talk shit. I'm better at that than shooting anyhow.

:sunny:

[Mr Merde]

I'll be there.

Sold the M305 a few months ago, as I've had zero opportunities for shooting this year and needed the cash.

But I'll turn up and talk shit. I'm better at that than shooting anyhow.

:sunny:

It will be good to see you again. Been a long time

[The Pastor]

Saw your letter in the latest guns n hunting mag chirs, well done good plug for the nsa. Good artical about hunting with a flintlock too.

[Mr Merde]

Saw your letter in the latest guns n hunting mag chirs, well done good plug for the nsa. ....

They didnt publish the letter I added to my e-mail. The one where AW McLeod refused to give any information to a gun owner on the proposed changes to MSSA, because there was an ongoing court case. While at the same time actively advertising this "irelavant opinion" of the police departmnet, in national periodicals.

[The Pastor]

They didnt publish the letter I added to my e-mail. The one where AW McLeod refused to give any information to a gun owner on the proposed changes to MSSA, because there was an ongoing court case. While at the same time actively advertising this "irelavant opinion" of the police departmnet, in national periodicals.
total bullshit, but i guess they want the money from the advert.

[Drunken Monkey]

Politics aside, if you ever did consider upgrading to an E-Cat, now is the time. The fee is being waived until April next year and the only reason you need to supply is that your existing weapon was A-Cat but falls under the new E-Cat definition. This means you just need to fill in a form and install an E-Cat safe (about $800).

[Wolf]

I'll be there.

Sold the M305 a few months ago, as I've had zero opportunities for shooting this year and needed the cash.

But I'll turn up and talk shit. I'm better at that than shooting anyhow.

:sunny:
I'm sure that with the arsenal that'll be out there, someone with a spare firearm or two will let you bang off a few rounds.

It'll be cool to see you there.

[The Pastor]

Politics aside, if you ever did consider upgrading to an E-Cat, now is the time. The fee is being waived until April next year and the only reason you need to supply is that your existing weapon was A-Cat but falls under the new E-Cat definition. This means you just need to fill in a form and install an E-Cat safe (about $800).
You'd have to own one tho aye?

[Wolf]

You'd have to own one tho aye?
And have the money for the safe :crybaby:

[Drunken Monkey]

You'd have to own one tho aye?

Hmm, probably, although my mate is going through this process and he hasn't had to present it yet. I suppose you could always borrow one. Or just buy a cheapy and convert it to E-Cat. (e.g. put a flash hider on a $250 Norino .22, or buy a 20 round mag for your M305, your imagination is the limit)
Apparently that's how you import them as they don't want the total number of E-Cats in the country to go up, you buy an A-Cat rifle, then buy an aftermarket E-Cat stock, then surrender that weapon when you import a new one. It costs obviously, but it highlights the silliness of the rule.

[Mr Merde]

...
Apparently that's how you import them as they don't want the total number of E-Cats in the country to go up, you buy an A-Cat rifle, then buy an aftermarket E-Cat stock, then surrender that weapon when you import a new one. It costs obviously, but it highlights the silliness of the rule.


Its not a law. The Arms Act makes no such provision on a person wanting an E cat firearm to hand one in.

This is another case of the police making an interpretation and in collusion with NZ Customs they are forcing it upon the NZ shooting community.

[Drunken Monkey]

Its not a law. The Arms Act makes no such provision on a person wanting an E cat firearm to hand one in.

This is another case of the police making an interpretation and in collusion with NZ Customs they are forcing it upon the NZ shooting community.

Bastards.

That's all I have to say on that matter.

[jono035]

Its not a law. The Arms Act makes no such provision on a person wanting an E cat firearm to hand one in.

This is another case of the police making an interpretation and in collusion with NZ Customs they are forcing it upon the NZ shooting community.

Yeah, this is something that I would like to see as next on the chopping block. It doesn't seem to have done anything to the availability of E-cat weapons (of which the extra 'danger factor' seems pretty ephemeral anyway), just made them that much more expensive. Hell, it's probably cheaper to buy an un-licensed E-cat weapon providing you have the right contacts than it is to buy a licensed one... Yet another way that people obeying the law are penalised.

[Indiana_Jones]

I never understood that logic by the cops, making someone 'surrender' their E-cat, does that mean they have to give it to the cops and deal with the cash loss? =/

-Indy

[Indiana_Jones]

Sweet (http://www.guncity.co.nz/303-charlton-machine-gun-ccat-xidp129426.html)

:sunny:

-Indy

[jono035]

Sweet (http://www.guncity.co.nz/303-charlton-machine-gun-ccat-xidp129426.html)

:sunny:

-Indy

That is awesome. I love the exposed piston and bolt carrier arrangement...

[Mr Merde]

Sweet (http://www.guncity.co.nz/303-charlton-machine-gun-ccat-xidp129426.html)

:sunny:

-Indy

So by current police thinking the .303 smle should now be classified as a MSSA or a C cat firearm because it is capable of being converted to a semi auto or fully auto weapon.

Someone better e-mail A W McLeod

[Drunken Monkey]

I thought they were already the A-Cat-E-Cat. 10 round mag (exceeds 7 rounds) and a bayonet lug. I figured it was just the sheer logistical issue that led them to turn a blind eye to them...

[Mr Merde]

I thought they were already the A-Cat-E-Cat. 10 round mag (exceeds 7 rounds) and a bayonet lug. I figured it was just the sheer logistical issue that led them to turn a blind eye to them...

Currently there is no magazine maximum capacity for bolt or lever action rifles.

The SMLE as issued is a bolt action

How about this for NZ

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/crockett007/leveractionAR.jpg

Its not a semi auto so it doesnt come under the MSSA ruling

Its lever action. In .30 calibre but you can get them in .223 and .308

[Drunken Monkey]

Currently there is no magazine maximum capacity for bolt or lever action rifles.

Ah yes, I forgot about that bit.

[The Pastor]

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[Mr Merde]

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or

MSSA


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[Mr Merde]

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LEVER ACTION RIFLE I bet you would not be able to import this into the country

[The Pastor]

Its ok chris,

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/46/238256662_ff4acf09e0.jpg?v=0

[Wolf]

Its ok chris,

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/46/238256662_ff4acf09e0.jpg?v=0
I've always liked 966 as an emergency number.

Check the buttons on your phones if need be...

[The Pastor]

2hrs done and 15 rounds reloaded.

this serriously takes forever.

7 rounds didnt make it.

really wishing i trimmed the cases first >_<

[sAsLEX]

Well I took the new gun hunting tonight....... only took one shot as a group of three came up from my rear quarter and overtook me slowly out to my flank, should of had a go then but waited till they turned in front of me at which time they were too far away.

<img src=http://www.wildblue.co.nz/images/Seriola_lalandi.jpg>


They are rather impressive when moving!

[Mr Merde]

2hrs done and 15 rounds reloaded.

this serriously takes forever.

7 rounds didnt make it.

really wishing i trimmed the cases first >_<

This is very slow. You should with a single stage press be able to turn out 50 rounds per hour, or similar.

Talk me through your procedure.

Chris

[The Pastor]

i put the powder in and then the bullet.......


takes me a bit of time to measure out the powder. Still crushing a few cases tho...

[JDK]

ummmm what ya loading to crush the cases ??? something is not right if the cases need triming to stop the crushing triming will lead to more even crimping makeing for more even shot to shot thats also working on the other factors of primer power brass hardness etc etc being all the same ..
i have 100's of .222 cases and a few 243 cases never trimed only crushed one trying to crimp the liveing hell out of it and of jacketed rounds ya starting to screw them up way before that ..
JDK

[Indiana_Jones]

Picked up some 7.62x54R rounds :D

Got a few empty cases to load to, shall do that tonight

-Indy

[jono035]

New toy arrived by courier this morning. Got the inspection done then took it to the range this afternoon.

Holy hell.

50 rounds later and I'm hooked! The revolver is much heavier than I expected which, along with the massive compensator holes and rubber grip, makes the recoil perfectly manageable... Feels like someone has given my hand a going over with a chunk of 4x2 though.

Might wander around and see who has dies for .44 magnum tomorrow as I don't think the supplied ammo is going to last very long, funnily enough...

Now I just need a stainless Marlin 1894 20" in .44 magnum to go with it...

(Then maybe a single stack 1911 which means that with .45ACP reloading gear I could get a SMLE action and try my hand at making a de lisle carbine... Oh dear...)

Edit: Best string was 12 rounds (2 full cylinders) with 2x10, 4x9, 2x8, 7, 6, 5, 3... The damn thing is a hell of a lot more accurate than I'll ever be, that's for sure...

[Wolf]

It's starting to sound like a costly enterprise, Jono...

[The Pastor]

It's starting to sound like a costly enterprise, Jono...
motorbikes, guns, booze and women. Nothing cheap about anyof them.

Then again you can get cheap bikes, guns, booze and women - but do you really want to go there?

[jono035]

motorbikes, guns, booze and women. Nothing cheap about anyof them.

Then again you can get cheap bikes, guns, booze and women - but do you really want to go there?

So true... At least bikes and guns you get good value by going second hand...

Wolf: Yeah, for some reason all my hobbies cost lots of money and make lots of noise :P

[The Pastor]

the first mistake is the cheep booze, then all hell breaks loose

[jono035]

the first mistake is the cheep booze, then all hell breaks loose

No joke. I used to know a guy who could procure 1L bottles of spirits (home distilled) for $10 each. It's a miracle I'm not blind to be honest...

Oh god, even the memory turns my stomach...

[The Pastor]

alright, 2nd go at reloading.

1hr 5 mins 20 rounds loaded. (powder and projectile)

no crushed cases (but dunno if they are crimped)

is gun powder in the eye cause for medical consern?

note to self, dont ever smoke in my room.

[jrandom]

Picked up some 7.62x54R rounds :D

I've still got a couple hundred of those, FMJ and soft point, sitting in the garage. My Nagant's a distant memory, so I'll bring them along for you tomorrow.

[Indiana_Jones]

I've still got a couple hundred of those, FMJ and soft point, sitting in the garage. My Nagant's a distant memory, so I'll bring them along for you tomorrow.

That'd be much appreciated Mr. Random :)

-Indy

[Hans]

Picked up some 7.62x54R rounds :D

Got a few empty cases to load to, shall do that tonight

-Indy

Are we likely to find you lying somewhere on a rooftop soon? That's ammo for a very special type of game...

[Blackrat]

try Arthur Clelland - 07-843.7858 Browning gunsmith in Hamilton.
Regards

[Indiana_Jones]

Are we likely to find you lying somewhere on a rooftop soon? That's ammo for a very special type of game...

Come again? lol

-Indy

[Hans]

Forgive me :gob: it's just that I can't imagine a civilian use for 7.62x54R. Enlighten me if you will. Genuinely curious here.

[Wolf]

Forgive me :gob: it's just that I can't imagine a civilian use for 7.62x54R. Enlighten me if you will. Genuinely curious here.
They can kill deer, y'know.

[Hans]

Yeah, I realise that. I'm just not aware of anything civilian that's chambered for it. That's all.

[Wolf]

Is anyone taking along a .308/7.62x51 tomorrow?

[Wolf]

Yeah, I realise that. I'm just not aware of anything civilian that's chambered for it. That's all.
Well the Mosin-Nagant is ex-military to be sure, but then so's the venerable .303 that's been the mainstay of farmers, hunters and deer-cullers in NZ since Christ wore shorts.

[Hans]

Now I get it...Ta

[Wolf]

I had an old M-N, myself, once. Nice. And cheap.

Only ever fired it a few times at a target, never got a chance to take it hunting before I sold it.

Did better with that than my old 6.5x55 Swedish Mauser - I never even got a chance to fire it once before I had to sell it to get cash.

[Hans]

Yep, my ignorance of local circumstances. Where I come from 7.62x54R is seen purely as a military round and no-one would go hunting with it. And, funnily enough, something like 7mm08 would be seen as a hunting round and nothing else.

[Indiana_Jones]

Ah lol (after reading the last few posts)

Pending the court case regarding the 'free standing' (yea right) stocks, I might get a Dragunov after the new year, another 7.62x54R :D

-Indy

[Hans]

That was the first thing that came to mind, when I read your post. Hence the question.

[Indiana_Jones]

That was the first thing that came to mind, when I read your post. Hence the question.

Yea, they make a civilian version of that too, AKA the Tigr

-Indy

[Wolf]

Always wanted a Dragunov - doesn't really suit my type of hunting since I'm not patient enough to sit downwind of a watering hole all day waiting for the game to come along, but I wanted one just so I could say I'd owned one.

[Hans]

Dunno. I guess to my mind it's more a tool as opposed to a gun that you'd take hunting. Once upon a time I'd have one at home on the odd occasion and have handled a few of them. But it's still just a well-maintained tool. Not the sort of rifle you take pride in owning.

[Indiana_Jones]

but I wanted one just so I could say I'd owned one.

You'd get all the chicks with that lol

-Indy

[Wolf]

But it's still just a well-maintained tool.


You'd get all the chicks with that lol
Chicks like a man with a well-maintained tool...

[jono035]

Always wanted a Dragunov - doesn't really suit my type of hunting since I'm not patient enough to sit downwind of a watering hole all day waiting for the game to come along, but I wanted one just so I could say I'd owned one.

The obvious answer here is use it for rabbits! You can even make weird remarks under your breath about the red mist :p

[Indiana_Jones]

Up at 9 on a Sunday, what has become of me lol

-Indy

[sAsLEX]

Is anyone taking along a .308/7.62x51 tomorrow?


I am.


The obvious answer here is use it for rabbits! You can even make weird remarks under your breath about the red mist :p

and how the only thing you feel is the recoil...

[Indiana_Jones]

If anyone has some .303 and wanna try the Martini I can bring that down too, I would it down otherwise, but I don't have any .303 lol

Gonna be Russian guns day today

-Indy

[The Pastor]

i have close to 80 handloads for mine.

[Wolf]

Well, that's my day fucked.

Loaded up the pack and the rifles, secured them to the bike and set off.

Got about 2kms out of the town limits and got a puncture.

Just spent the last half hour pushing the bike and all my gear home again.

So, after all the planning and anticipation, I won't be out at Chris's place today and won't be meeting a shit-load of people I was keen to meet.

"Fucked off" does not even begin to cover it.

Have a great day guys.

[wbks]

Always wanted a Dragunov - doesn't really suit my type of hunting since I'm not patient enough to sit downwind of a watering hole all day waiting for the game to come along, but I wanted one just so I could say I'd owned one.Do people actually do that kind of hunting in NZ? With any success?