The firearm thread

[sAsLEX]

The pivotal words: "confidence in"

Tazers ain't it I'm afraid

9mm the best option? Confidence in that?

As this is what is being bandied about in the media as the preferred side arm.

You currently use FMJ rounds?

[Drunken Monkey]

http://www.guncity.co.nz/recent-adverts-xidc44754.html

Looks like Gun City is opening up in Auckland. That's the advert for anyone who is interested.

62 Carr Rd, Mt Roskill is their temporary 'warehouse style' premises, apparently.

Holy smokes. I have a feeling if I don't get out of town this weekend my bank balance is going to suffer...

[Mr Merde]

In light of this article http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10660417

in the NZ Herald today I posted a question on another thread

http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/126403-Are-speed-cameras-laser-guns-etc-now-illegal

IS the use of Laser guns and speed cameras now illegal.

Thought I would have a rash of posts thrown at me. Didnt eventuate.

If yo read the article you will see he was convicted of presenting a firearm and ASSAULT. the latter for washing the police officers with the laser from the sight attached to the air pistol.

Chris

[Drunken Monkey]

In light of this article http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10660417
...
If yo read the article you will see he was convicted of presenting a firearm and ASSAULT. the latter for washing the police officers with the laser from the sight attached to the air pistol.

Chris

Hmmm, Judge's comment was:

"Judge Chris McGuire said the case highlighted two important legal principles - a homeowner's right to protect their property, and police's ability to investigate a suspected crime."

So the case law is now:
1) A homeowner has no right to protect their property.
2) The police have any ability to investigate a suspected crime.

Is that what we have to learn from this???

[Drunken Monkey]

BTW, anyone interested in purchasing a Parker Hale Model 1200 sportster, mauser 98 action, detachable magazine, caliber .243, Tasco 4x scope, age unknown? Condition seems pretty reasonable for something which I think is 30+ years old (at a guess, these were sold mostly from 1950 - 1980) and it shoots around 1 MOA. Got some ammo to go with it too, decent quality stuff, maybe around 50 rounds or so.

PM me if interested.

[Mr Merde]

The new Super City has finally made me a job proposal.

For almost two years i have been working as the Systems Admin for Papakura Council. The firm has been very happy with my work and I have had regular pay rises reflecting this.

What has the new super city offered me.

1st line telephone support at a reduced salary of $30,000. This is the pay cut they are expecting me to take. I am on 63,000 now so it is nearly a 50% drop.

I havent done 1st line work for almost 20 years now.

For the past few months I have been working my arse off with the transition of thr IT systems. Doing everything they requested of me as well as keeping my councils systems working.

Well they can kiss my hairy arse. From Monday they can send in engineers. i will be refusing to answer any of their requests. I will look after the PDC systems for as long as I am employed by them.

Auckland can go fuck themselves.

I will be making my feelings known by informing the council actively seeking alternative employment from Monday\ morning and they will have the benifit of 2 weeks notice ( all legally I am obliged to give) when i find alternative employment.

If there is anybody out there looking for a sys admin or similar or knows of someone who is, please contact me.

Chris

[jono035]

The new Super City has finally made me a job proposal.

.....

Wow. Just... Wow...

Seriously?? Did you take a crap in the new CIO's mailbox or something? If you didn't, then you probably should, just to get some value out of this.

I hope they change their mind, although I guess you'll be pretty pissed off even if they do.

That's a truly bureaucratic way of rewarding the crazy hours you've been putting in...

There's always the option of quitting with the 2 weeks notice then, when they can't figure out how to do anything, offering to work for them as an external contractor... I know a few people who have turned BS like that into a good money spinner.

[Drunken Monkey]

That's a shafting and they know it.

Will keep an eye out, I know network services stuff is starting to pick up again and I've still got lots of contacts. You'd probably have to work in the big smoke though, doing site to site stuff, and it would range from server projects to 2nd line desktop support.

Still some good may come out of it, you might spot an opportunity you weren't hunting for before. I took a 30% pay cut and left network services for SQL/Reporting/BI and it's been worth every cent.

PS - On a different note, I managed to get over my sale fever in time to not throw money at a new .308 rifle, so I'll be keeping yee olde faithfull mister Hale for now.

[The Pastor]

thats crap chirs!, sorry to hear the lame news, Hope you get a decent job offer soon

[cold comfort]

News tonight- "high powered air rifles will require a firearms license". Well that will put a stop to the criminals using them-yeah, right! How many of the Asian crims with their recently seized fire arms had licences? Jan Molenaar ONCE had a licence but not at the time of his offending. The mooted (but as yet in the too hard basket) of monitoring internet sales may help however. Talk about pointless rules. I was told, when applying to renew mine, i had to have a lockup container for the weapon i did not have. My assurance that i would store said rifle safely in the unlikely event i purchased one fell on deaf ears. (I only wanted it to give me the choice, and the ability to maybe buy one as a present for my son (who has a licence). When I added up the cost of the cabinet and the licence it wasn't worth it.
If there is public uprising it will just be easier to steal one (or grab one off the internet)!

[Indiana_Jones]

Crap news about the job situation Chris. Typical council cunts really...

Here's to a better job.....maybe closer to me :love:

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

I just informed my HR dept that I am actively seeking alternative employment.

That when I do get an other job that I will be giving the minimum amount of notice, 2 weeks, as per the laws of the land.

ALso that since I have 8 weeks holiday owed that I will be taking this over the next 3 months

[Swoop]

It is nice to see that the Green Party MP Keith Locke is a complete idiot.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10661222
Green MP Keith Locke agreed with tightening purchase rules, but said all firearms should be registered.

"Then when police turn up to an address they will then have a better idea of what guns might be inside. Gun registration would reduce the danger to police and make communities safer.

He disregards the Canadian Gun Registry and the BILLIONS of canadian dollars that were wasted with a registration system that failed miserably.

The current system is far more robust with licenced shooters. Criminals will not register or bother to obtain a licence.




ALso that since I have 8 weeks holiday owed that I will be taking this over the next 3 months
Can you get it paid out in ca$h???:blip:

[Drunken Monkey]

I just informed my HR dept that I am actively seeking alternative employment.

That when I do get an other job that I will be giving the minimum amount of notice, 2 weeks, as per the laws of the land.

ALso that since I have 8 weeks holiday owed that I will be taking this over the next 3 months

Fair enough, although honestly wouldn't you just say nothing and look for another job anyway???

[The Pastor]

I just informed my HR dept that I am actively seeking alternative employment.

That when I do get an other job that I will be giving the minimum amount of notice, 2 weeks, as per the laws of the land.

Also that since I have 8 weeks holiday owed that I will be taking this over the next 3 months

Might be wiser to save your holiday pay if you can't find another job right away?

[The Pastor]

Just got sent a copy of this book

http://www.safarisupply.co.nz/shop/Books+%26+DVDs/NZ+Deer+Hunters+Handbook+by+Alex+Gale.html

And it is amazing, it really is. If you want to know anything about deer stalking grab a copy, well written, loads of diagrams, color photos, covers everything from deer species to where they live to how to hunt them to gear, to map/gps using to first aid to venison recipes.

The author was the guy who took me hunting - he really knows his stuff.

[jono035]

Just got sent a copy of this book

http://www.safarisupply.co.nz/shop/Books+%26+DVDs/NZ+Deer+Hunters+Handbook+by+Alex+Gale.html

And it is amazing, it really is. If you want to know anything about deer stalking grab a copy, well written, loads of diagrams, color photos, covers everything from deer species to where they live to how to hunt them to gear, to map/gps using to first aid to venison recipes.

The author was the guy who took me hunting - he really knows his stuff.

Nice, might pick up a copy for a family member who is just starting out. I like that the website thinks that I might also like a copy of 'A (Nearly) Complete History of the Moose in New Zealand'.

[jono035]

Well, the target 10/22 is mine no longer. Now, what do do with the proceeds... Perhaps it's finally time to get around to getting that Marlin 1894 in .44Mag... Oh the possibilities...

[Mr Merde]

Sunday I decided to get out some reloading gear and make a start on something.

Cast a couple of hundred heads for the 32-40 and the 45-70.

The 32-40 was interesting. Took a long time to bring the mould to temperature. It is solid brass. Once it was up there it cast some very nice looking bullets at 170 gns using a 1:30 tin/lead mixture. For the 45-70 I cast some 405 gn bullets. Lighter by 130 gns that my other mould and it shows in the over all length.

Once cast I then proceeded to load the 32-40. Well some of them any way. I now have 50 loaded rounds for the 32-40 sitting in the safe.

Loaded the 170 gn bullet over 34.5 gns of FFg Goex. Compression was about 1/4 inch, and it is sparked off by a large pistol primer. This round looks strange when loaded. It has a tapered case and the bullet seats ove half its length into the case.

Now to go somewhere and let another 100 year old gun roar back into life.

Chris

[jono035]

Sunday I decided to get out some reloading gear and make a start on something.

Cast a couple of hundred heads for the 32-40 and the 45-70.

The 32-40 was interesting. Took a long time to bring the mould to temperature. It is solid brass. Once it was up there it cast some very nice looking bullets at 170 gns using a 1:30 tin/lead mixture. For the 45-70 I cast some 405 gn bullets. Lighter by 130 gns that my other mould and it shows in the over all length.

Once cast I then proceeded to load the 32-40. Well some of them any way. I now have 50 loaded rounds for the 32-40 sitting in the safe.

Loaded the 170 gn bullet over 34.5 gns of FFg Goex. Compression was about 1/4 inch, and it is sparked off by a large pistol primer. This round looks strange when loaded. It has a tapered case and the bullet seats ove half its length into the case.

Now to go somewhere and let another 100 year old gun roar back into life.

Chris

Let me know when you do.

I was having a think about that mould, a cheap electric hot-plate could be the way to go to bring it up to temperature. Just sit it on the hot-plate for a bit while your pot warm up and then get straight to the casting.

[Mr Merde]

Let me know when you do.

I was having a think about that mould, a cheap electric hot-plate could be the way to go to bring it up to temperature. Just sit it on the hot-plate for a bit while your pot warm up and then get straight to the casting.

I was thinking the same thing. I know a lot of septics use that method for all their casting.

One thing I have to do is get a larger pot.

The Lee 10lb pot is a pain in the proverbial. So it looks as though I will need to go to a gas burner andf 40lb cast iron pot. I also hate the bottom pour pots. Never been able to get one to work properly. I always revert to using a ladle (which also needs to be brought up to temperature).

looks like I need to buy some more stuf for shooting. I also need a couple more kilos of black powder. This old time shooting sure chews through it.

The Chinese powder has been putting me off a bit as I noticed it was not very consistant. Was looking in the US for a powder sieve to grade it and suddenly thought "why not use an ordinary flour sieve" The really fine stuff will go through and leave a more consistant grade of powder.

Its this fine powder that leads to inconsistantcies. One more step to accurate BP shooting

[jono035]

I was thinking the same thing. I know a lot of septics use that method for all their casting.

One thing I have to do is get a larger pot.

The Lee 10lb pot is a pain in the proverbial. So it looks as though I will need to go to a gas burner andf 40lb cast iron pot. I also hate the bottom pour pots. Never been able to get one to work properly. I always revert to using a ladle (which also needs to be brought up to temperature).

looks like I need to buy some more stuf for shooting. I also need a couple more kilos of black powder. This old time shooting sure chews through it.

The Chinese powder has been putting me off a bit as I noticed it was not very consistant. Was looking in the US for a powder sieve to grade it and suddenly thought "why not use an ordinary flour sieve" The really fine stuff will go through and leave a more consistant grade of powder.

Its this fine powder that leads to inconsistantcies. One more step to accurate BP shooting

Any idea what the actual range of grain sizes is? You can buy filter mesh in a heap of different grades pretty easily.

[Mr Merde]

Any idea what the actual range of grain sizes is? You can buy filter mesh in a heap of different grades pretty easily.

HAvent thought about it. All I know id Fg FFg FFFg etc.

I wonder if there is something on the interweb.

Didnt think of filter mesh.

Could pour a bottle of powder in the top and filter to different grades through it. Mmmmm

[The Pastor]

i wanna go hunting again.

[Mr Merde]

i wanna go hunting again.

Bambi killer !!!!

[The Pastor]

Bambi killer !!!!

nah, i wanna get bambis dad!

[The Pastor]

http://www.redstaghunting.co.nz/images/SuperGoldStag1.jpg

lol at the photo, making it look about twice as big as it is... (still bloody impressive)

[sAsLEX]

http://www.redstaghunting.co.nz/images/SuperGoldStag1.jpg

lol at the photo, making it look about twice as big as it is... (still bloody impressive)

That is the trick of hunting photography, there is a good article in NZ Hunter about how to take and compose hunting photos so that that the subject comes out looking good.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

General question- are you only able to buy ammo with steel shot these days ?

[Drunken Monkey]

General question- are you only able to buy ammo with steel shot these days ?

No, lead shot still easily available. Shooting waterfowl isn't the only thing you can do with shotguns.

[Indiana_Jones]

Does the steel shot rule only apply to 12 gauge's?

-Indy

[Drunken Monkey]

Does the steel shot rule only apply to 12 gauge's?

-Indy

12 guage and larger.

More details here:
http://www.fishandgame.org.nz/Site/HuntingNZ/Huntingsteelshot.aspx

[Swoop]

12 guage and larger.

More details here:
http://www.fishandgame.org.nz/Site/HuntingNZ/Huntingsteelshot.aspx
It is interesting to note that:

2) ALL users of shotguns "less than 12 gauge" temporarily exempted, (i.e. .410" bore, 32, 28, 24, 20 and 16 gauge).

Since that was dated 2006, I wonder what creeping rules will slide under the radar, that bans lead outright?

[Drunken Monkey]

It is interesting to note that:

2) ALL users of shotguns "less than 12 gauge" temporarily exempted, (i.e. .410" bore, 32, 28, 24, 20 and 16 gauge).

Since that was dated 2006, I wonder what creeping rules will slide under the radar, that bans lead outright?

I expect it was worded like that to move if 16 or 20 gauge became more popular. If you read further on (or maybe it was a different link), small bores account for less than half a percent of the types of shotguns used for waterfowl hunting.

[twistemotion]

Which organisation do you guys think is the best one to protect the interests of firearm owners in NZ? I know about COLFO, but the latest news on their website is from August last year. What's going on? I expect more activity than that from an organisation I pay membership to help look after my interests. The anti-gun lobbyists are far more active than that!!

I certainly hope there's some other organisation which is doing a better job.

[Indiana_Jones]

Which organisation do you guys think is the best one to protect the interests of firearm owners in NZ? I know about COLFO, but the latest news on their website is from August last year. What's going on? I expect more activity than that from an organisation I pay membership to help look after my interests. The anti-gun lobbyists are far more active than that!!

I certainly hope there's some other organisation which is doing a better job.

NSA (http://www.nsanz.org.nz/)

-Indy

[jono035]

Which organisation do you guys think is the best one to protect the interests of firearm owners in NZ? I know about COLFO, but the latest news on their website is from August last year. What's going on? I expect more activity than that from an organisation I pay membership to help look after my interests. The anti-gun lobbyists are far more active than that!!

I certainly hope there's some other organisation which is doing a better job.

There are a few of us Kiwi-biker shooters that are members of an organisation called the National Shooters Association. It was born out of the E-category stock re-interpretation bullshit that was happening this time last year, created by the guy who took the Police to court over it and won.

http://www.nsanz.org.nz/

As an organisation the NSA seeks to represent all shooters, regardless of type of firearm owned or choice of sport. E, B and C endorsement holders as well as, most recently, airgunners are all in constant discussion on how the organisation can best represent the rights of all shooters.

I'm only a member who occaisionally chips in an opinion on the forums, but it's good to see a place where people are willing to fight for all aspects of our sport, even if it is not one they participate in.

[Swoop]

COLFO were an absolute disgrace with the stock interpretation debacle.

[Mr Merde]

Which organisation do you guys think is the best one to protect the interests of firearm owners in NZ? I know about COLFO, but the latest news on their website is from August last year. What's going on? I expect more activity than that from an organisation I pay membership to help look after my interests. The anti-gun lobbyists are far more active than that!!

I certainly hope there's some other organisation which is doing a better job.

The NSA (National Shooters Association) are the only group who stood up to the Police over the attempted reinturpretation of the MSSA rules. They took the Police to the High Court and after 8 months received a favourable verdict from the Judge. This has caused a major backdown by the police in regards to exactly what constitutes a MSSA.

They are a small group of people but they are woilling to go the extra mile for the rights of shooters.

Currently they are in discussion with Judith Collins (the Police Minister) over changes to the airgun laws. From what I have seen they are being very serious and attempting to lessen any drtaconian changes the minister tries to impliment. They have done this by actually asking airgunners their opinion and suggestions.

http://www.nsanz.org.nz/

Chris

[twistemotion]

Thanks everyone, NSA looks like a good option then. I realise one can't solely rely on an organisation to defend your interests, and must personally chip in when needed. We do however need a body to do press releases and such to the media and do some high level lobbying, and it must be ACTIVE.

[Wolf]

NSA hands down. All the rest are of the "can't fight the government" or "it doesn't affect our particular sport so why should we care" persuasion.

The NSA was started solely because all the other so-called shooting advocacy groups - who seem to like to pull in fat fees for doing fuck all - did absolutely nothing during the MSSA reinterpretation bullshit.

If the other groups had not been such a pack of limp-dicked fuck-arounds, the NSA would not have been formed. One bloke had the balls and the tenacity to take action when all the other so-called advocates advocated sitting on their hands and doing nothing.

[The Pastor]

the deer stalkers also lobby for hunting rights - no idea how well tho

[Wolf]

the deer stalkers also lobby for hunting rights - no idea how well tho
Well, we're permitted to hunt anywhere except for where we're forbidden to...

[Finn]

First post in ages... Who are all these people?

Decided to get my NZ firearms licence and what a drama. 7 weeks and no communication what so ever. Meanwhile a Chinese immigrant at my pistol club got his in 2 weeks! Don't care that he's Chinese, he's a nice fella but surely background checking me would be easier. I wonder if gang members have to wait this long? Damn red tape!

Anyway, I'm looking forward to some gun ownership again. It's been a while and will get my B & E endorsement once my A is sorted.

[jono035]

7 weeks is starting to get a bit long... When I got mine, it was a case of them only doing the safety course once a month, so I had to wait a couple of weeks for them to process my application and then a month before the course rolled around.

Tried chasing it up with your local AO at all?

[Finn]

Tried chasing it up with your local AO at all?

Yes, twice. I'll give it till next week and if I haven't heard anything I'll pop into the station and ask what the hold up is.

[Swoop]

What station are you going through? Auckland Central?


BTW, welcome back. The place has changed a bit...

[Drunken Monkey]

The timing is around the availability of places on the mountain safety courses, plus they (apparently) still have a paperwork backlog from all the E-Cat applications.

[Wolf]

they (apparently) still have a paperwork backlog from all the E-Cat applications.
Shove it all on the desk of the prick responsible for it - "reinterpret this, arse-wipe!"

[Finn]

What station are you going through? Auckland Central?


BTW, welcome back. The place has changed a bit...

Yes, Auckland Central and thanks. The place has changed. I haven't :innocent:

[Wolf]

The place has changed. I haven't :innocent:
Well, that's a relief. Welcome back.

[The Pastor]

Yes, Auckland Central and thanks. The place has changed. I haven't :innocent:

I for one, blame you.

[Finn]

I for one, blame you.

You sound like my wife.

[jono035]

You sound like my wife.

He gets that a lot...

[Mr Merde]

He gets that a lot....

Thats what he usually hears when he is busy biting the pillow

[Indiana_Jones]

Don't you just love this thread? lol

-Indy

[The Pastor]

I have the biggest gun, you are just jealous

[jono035]

I have the biggest gun, you are just jealous

Compensating?

[Drunken Monkey]

Compensating?

What does a tube fitted to the end of a muzzle have to do with his gun???

[Wolf]

What does a tube fitted to the end of a muzzle have to do with his gun???
it adds a few inches?

[The Pastor]

Compensating?

Lets just say the rifle is bigger than the pistol

[jono035]

Lets just say the rifle is bigger than the pistol

It sure is. I am at peace with my 3" barrel.

[Drunken Monkey]

OMFG! If there are any more bad puns in this thread I'm gonna go Charles J. Whitman on your asses!!!!!!

[Mr Merde]

Lets just say the rifle is bigger than the pistol

Still a small bore, single shot though.

[Indiana_Jones]

Mine's a muzzleloader

-Indy

[Wolf]

Mine's a muzzleloader

-Indy
The thought makes my eyes water...

[The Pastor]

Praise allah!
http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/295723

[Wolf]

Praise allah!
Save that for the Scottish Thread!

[sAsLEX]

Some new toys will be arriving shortly! I can nearly sees them!

Next shoot I will bring them along.

[Mr Merde]

Just ordered this buttplate for the Remington Rolling Block

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/imgPart/bp-sch-60-b_0.jpg (http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/partDetail.aspx?catId=14&subId=144&styleId=551&partNum=BP-SCH-60-B)

1kg of solid brass.

[jono035]

Just ordered this buttplate for the Remington Rolling Block

http://www.trackofthewolf.com/imgPart/bp-sch-60-b_0.jpg (http://www.trackofthewolf.com/Categories/partDetail.aspx?catId=14&subId=144&styleId=551&partNum=BP-SCH-60-B)

1kg of solid brass.

On the plus side, you'll be able to use it as a soft-face hammer...

[Mr Merde]

On the plus side, you'll be able to use it as a soft-face hammer...

With the total weight of the rifle now getting cloose to 14 lbs or 6.35kg it should soak up the recoil of those really heavy 45-70 rounds.

Now just have to make up a set of good sturdy wooden shooting sticks to support the weight of the rifle.

[The Pastor]

whats good a rifle if you need sticks to hold it up?

[Mr Merde]

whats good a rifle if you need sticks to hold it up?

When shooting at 1000 yards does it matter whats holding it up. Any aid to stability is a bonus.

[The Pastor]

it'd be cool to see what my rifle is like at 1000 yards i reckon maybe dinner plate size groups.....

[jono035]

it'd be cool to see what my rifle is like at 1000 yards i reckon maybe dinner plate size groups.....

Lol, for very large values of 'dinner plate'?

[Indiana_Jones]

Does the warehouse have a special on plates at the moment?

-Indy

[Drunken Monkey]

Does the warehouse have a special on plates at the moment?

-Indy

Pffft, a Warehouse special? I'd put me mum's best china up against RM at 1000 yards any day, safe in the knowledge they'd come home in the same condition they were brought out.

:P

[The Pastor]

the furthest ive shot is a guestimated 400m, I was hitting the target... sometimes.

[Drunken Monkey]

That's why we need to find somewhere we can practice long range shots. I'm thinking 600+, up to 1000 would be great. We could put a man shaped, er I mean man sized, er I mean 2m high x 1m wide steel gong to shoot at.
100m just isn't sporting...

[The Pastor]

100m is sporting for a brit and a mosin.

[Mr Merde]

There are very few places where one can shjoot 1000 yards\metres. You will need tofind a very accomodating farmer. Even then the logistics of logging your hits are complex. You would need a very good spotting scope and have someone watching the target when you shoot.

A target 10" x10" would be MOA at 1000 yards so ideally you would need something about 4 times the size just to be sure you get on the target.

If steel it would need to be about 1/2 to 1" thick.

So a pice of steel about 1.2 metres square and 12-28 mm thick. Thats a lot of weight.

White paint on the steel will allow your spotter to see any hits but woulf need to be refreshed periodically. Therefore you will need some means of easy accesibility to the target as you would soon be knackered walking over hills and such 1000 yards there and 1000 yards back. A 125cc scrambler or a quad would probably be in order. If you have someone downrange you would need radio contact just for safety.

The list goes on.

[Drunken Monkey]

It's just a matter of thinking outside the square. We could hire a small launch between us, then set off to one of the several small islands between Waiheke and the Coromandel Peninsula. Face seaward and pop off rounds at floating targets from a nice beach :)
You get nice visually obvious splashes for the misses, so anything else must be a hit, so that's the spotting sorted. If any maintenance or checks need to be done, the launch can be sent out.
Radio contact isn't a problem, I've got access to a bunch of VHF radios.

[Drunken Monkey]

What am I thinking! If we man-up, we could just shoot from floating platform. Maybe a large launch is what we need!

A 13 meter jobby is only $700 a day. Something that big could take up to 9, would be a stable platform as long as it was reasonably calm...

[jono035]

What am I thinking! If we man-up, we could just shoot from floating platform. Maybe a large launch is what we need!

A 13 meter jobby is only $700 a day. Something that big could take up to 9, would be a stable platform as long as it was reasonably calm...

The floating target idea could work in calm seas, but you'd need it to be pretty calm. A large boat, even on calm seas, would be hopeless. shooting at a 4MOA target = 4/60 of a degree... That's pretty damn stable.

[Mr Merde]

It's just a matter of thinking outside the square. We could hire a small launch between us, then set off to one of the several small islands between Waiheke and the Coromandel Peninsula. Face seaward and pop off rounds at floating targets from a nice beach :)
You get nice visually obvious splashes for the misses, so anything else must be a hit, so that's the spotting sorted. If any maintenance or checks need to be done, the launch can be sent out.
Radio contact isn't a problem, I've got access to a bunch of VHF radios.

I'm sure there is some sort of law regulating the firing of guns over water.

[The Pastor]

I'm sure there is some sort of law regulating the firing of guns over water.

yeah, you can only use steel shot

[sAsLEX]

The list goes on.

Place a web-cam in the butts, watch on laptop wireless.

There are some cool systems out there that use the vibrations in a large target and log your hits.

[Indiana_Jones]

100m is sporting for a brit and a mosin.

Such a Kike

-Indy

[Drunken Monkey]

I'm sure there is some sort of law regulating the firing of guns over water.

I can't see why, as long as it's done safely it's no different [the law] to firing on land. If you've got nothing between you and the horizon, where is the danger? It's not unheard of for people to launch clays off the back of a boat - don't cruise ships still do this?

Well in between writing the above paragraph and this one, I went online and re-read the Arms Act (yes, zzzzzzz indeed). Shooting from a boat is most definately not specifically prohibited. You specifically can not shoot from a motor vehicle, so (in the technically correct usage of) "the exception proves the rule", you may use firearms from a boat. Hunting is carried out from helicopter in this country also, without special permit to do so. So again, as long as you're not "Discharging a firearm, airgun, pistol or restricted weapon in or near a dwelling house or public place so as to endanger property or to endanger, annoy or frighten any person." (bearing in mind I'm talking offshore here, not international waters).

Caveat: I'm not talking about shooting waterfowl here.

[jono035]

Well just because it seems logical, doesn't necessarily mean it is legal!

Also, I guess technically in NZ waters it is a public place, so it's probably illegal without some form of permit. All you'd have to do is piss off a couple of people living nearby or having an afternoon on the boat (noise, bug up their ass) and you'd probably end up in hot water pretty quick if there was anything they could do about it.

I'd think it'd be pretty damn safe... Once you're out to 1000m, the projectile would be falling like a stone anyway. For BP shooting especially, you're basically lobbing projectiles at that point.

[Drunken Monkey]

Corollary:

"Failing to report injuries caused by firearms."

- I pinched my finger in my bipod two weeks ago during routine maintenance/rust inspection and cut my skin. Does this count as an injury? If so, have I broken the law by failing to report this injury?

[jono035]

Corollary:

"Failing to report injuries caused by firearms."

- I pinched my finger in my bipod two weeks ago during routine maintenance/rust inspection and cut my skin. Does this count as an injury? If so, have I broken the law by failing to report this injury?

Yeah, probably. The trick is making sure that you don't piss off someone off who is in a position to make your life difficult over it.

Was that the bipod on the 10/22? If so, I'm proud that the rifle has already drawn blood :D

[Drunken Monkey]

Also, I guess technically in NZ waters it is a public place, so it's probably illegal without some form of permit.

Where, my learned friend, did you get that from? There is nothing that specifically forbids the use of firearms in New Zealand in public places, given you have satisfied all other prohibited criteria. Last time I looked, Australian Federal Law does not apply in NZ!
Remember, DOC managed land is also an exception, not 'the' rule. In non-DOC managed state forest you may indeed hunt without permit (again, as long as you do so safely, satisfying all other legal criteria), you may also hunt with shotgun and rimfire. The only problem is there's very little non-DOC managed state forest that one can access - most of it is virgin bush, in high country, locked in by private land.


All you'd have to do is piss off a couple of people living nearby or having an afternoon on the boat (noise, bug up their ass) and you'd probably end up in hot water pretty quick if there was anything they could do about it.

Hence highlighting the specifics in that paragraph. The whole idea is to get out into some empty water, not truck on up between a bunch of fishing launches and a rum race, then start blazing away. That would just be daft.

[Drunken Monkey]

Yeah, probably. The trick is making sure that you don't piss off someone off who is in a position to make your life difficult over it.

Was that the bipod on the 10/22? If so, I'm proud that the rifle has already drawn blood :D

No, t'was the M14...

[Drunken Monkey]

The ONLY reference to "boat" in the entire act pertains to duck hunters:

"Boat

Duck shooters should check their game licence before they use a firearm in a boat."

[jono035]

No, t'was the M14...

Damn, I was hopeful...

As for the 'open water', well I don't think shooting off a boat is going to work for target shooting so you're then shooting off the coast.


Discharging firearm, airgun, pistol, or restricted weapon in or near dwellinghouse or public place

*

Every person commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 3 months or to a fine not exceeding $3,000 or to both who, without reasonable cause, discharges a firearm, airgun, pistol, or restricted weapon in or near—
o

(a) a dwellinghouse; or
o

(b) a public place,—

so as to endanger property or to endanger, annoy, or frighten any person.

Edit: I realise that it says 'without reasonable cause' but if you've pissed people off and they've called the cops, chances are they're going to ruin your day over the interpretation of that just for fun. If you're shooting from the coast then the assumption is that you're within a reasonable distance from any other houses, because if you aren't within a km of houses then just use that km of dry land to shoot over.

[Drunken Monkey]

"so as to endanger property or to endanger, annoy, or frighten any person."

That last line is a VERY important part of the legislation. If you're reading it as simply "illegal to discharge in or near a dwellinghouse or public place", then your interpretation is incorrect, as that would basically make any firearms discharge an offense.

[jono035]

"so as to endanger property or to endanger, annoy, or frighten any person."

That last line is a VERY important part of the legislation. If you're reading it as simply "illegal to discharge in or near a dwellinghouse or public place", then your interpretation is incorrect, as that would basically make any firearms discharge an offense.

Note that the other component is 'in a public place' up the top.

And yeah, you could make almost any discharge of a firearm an offense, which is why you should probably do it on private property with permission, rather than on public property.

I'm not saying it's likely, I'm saying that if it would happen it'd ruin your day pretty nicely.

[Drunken Monkey]

True, the issue with public land is that it's very hard to manage who enters it and when, so safety does become an issue. On the water, you can see a lot further and cease any dangerous activities before anyone closes the distance.

This is all irrespective of the impracticalities of firing from a moving platform, mind you, I'm just saying I think Merde is wrong and why.

If sAsLex were here, he'd tell you to man up, and that being a navy boy he fires from a boat, in a force 9, with a blindfold on, left handed, from the hip.

:P

[jono035]

True, the issue with public land is that it's very hard to manage who enters it and when, so safety does become an issue. On the water, you can see a lot further and cease any dangerous activities before anyone closes the distance.

This is all irrespective of the impracticalities of firing from a moving platform, mind you, I'm just saying I think Merde is wrong and why.

If sAsLex were here, he'd tell you to man up, and that being a navy boy he fires from a boat, in a force 9, with a blindfold on, left handed, from the hip.

:P

True enough, but Alex has the advantage that, being a navy boy, he's probably got more immunity to pestering by the police lol

[The Pastor]

takapuna beach is really calm

[sAsLEX]

I can't see why, as long as it's done safely it's no different [the law] to firing on land.
.

We fire all the time off the back of our boat!

215867

[jono035]

We fire all the time off the back of our boat!

You really should bring one of those along next shoot...

[Swoop]

It's not unheard of for people to launch clays off the back of a boat - don't cruise ships still do this?
A mate of mine takes his clay thrower with him and busts' clays off of the back of his 25' launch in the Hauraki Gulf. So long as you are far away from other boats... game on!

I pinched my finger in my bipod two weeks ago during routine maintenance/rust inspection and cut my skin. Does this count as an injury?
The bipod is not a firearm. It is an "accessory" or an "acoutrement".
All you would be doing is adding to statistics that would be used against shooters...

[Mr Merde]

I remember an incident from my past, way way way back in time.

Met up with some friends and we went to Browns Beach.

Finished up shooting seagulls with a Broomhandle Mauser pistol ( Spanish copy on full auto).

I do remeber it was fun at the time

Of course I wouldnt condone behaviour like this but my excuse was that I was young and full of "piss and vinegar"

[Mr Merde]

We fire all the time off the back of our boat!

215867

But not inside the territorial waters, I bet.

[Mr Merde]

We fire all the time off the back of our boat!

215867

Question for you Alex.

Whats the difference between a warship and an armed merchant ship?

Subtlke difference but important. Explained to me by some old Navy boys in the UK.

[Mr Merde]

On a different note.

I submitted my CV to 8 job advertisements, on Wednesday.

So far I have 5 interviews.

2 of them this afternoon, one by telephone this weekend, one on Monday afternoon and the final to be arranged.

This final one is a little daunting as it is for the position of Senior Systems Administrator and by the title I am assumning there are non senior admins. This means staff and I havent managed staff for 19 years. I swore that I would never again take up a management position. What good is swearing. The money they are offering is too tempting to not at least give it a try and they rang me so they must have liked my CV.

Sharron is very supportive in all this.

[The Pastor]

hope the job hunt proves fruitful. Good luck.

[Indiana_Jones]

Give it a go mate, sure beats being a phone jockey for the council

-Indy

[Drunken Monkey]

The bipod is not a firearm. It is an "accessory" or an "acoutrement".

Legal hypothetical:

The bipod is not a firearm, but an accessory as it attaches to a firearm, but is not necessarily required by the firearm for operation, in much the same way as a scope, torch, red-dot, etc...

A firearm, therefore, is made up of the following major components:
Bolt + trigger assembly
Barrel
Stock
Magazine (if present)

Of these, barrels, stock and (with some debate) magazines can be bought and sold without a firearms license if sold as an individual item.

Only a bolt + trigger assembly requires a license to be traded (IIRC), seeing as these are absolutely necessary to fire the projectile.*

When does a firearm component become an accessory?

What else defines "it". For example, the Ruger 10/22 in soft air P-90 stock project I linked to earlier - the item is still a Ruger 10/22, just with a different 'stock'.

Does this mean a stock is an accessory, as it can be changed and technically isn't required for the operation of the firearm?

If so, on what logical grounds would one have to create a piece of legislation that regulates a type of firearm by the stock it has (specifically a free standing pistol grip as being a key component to an MSSA)?

*notwithstanding although dangerous, a projectile fired without a barrel does not have sufficient pressure to accelerate to a deadly speed.

[sAsLEX]

But not inside the territorial waters, I bet.

We have areas in NZ

http://www.linz.govt.nz/docs/hydro/ntm/summary/annual/nz05.pdf

Explains it better than I can.

Have had to divert international airlines before.

[pritch]

We have areas in NZ


But sadly a lot less than we did. Every year the High School cadets here used to fire artillery out to sea from the local rifle range. Now that range isn't even deemed safe for rifles. Not even the poofy, plasticky, poor apologies for a rifle, that the services use now. :whistle:

Never mind, I'm off to the range to play with my latest toy tomorrow. Well, it is a .22 but it isn't particularly toy like. Solidly made actually, almost too much so. I'll need to do some dry firing.

[sAsLEX]

But sadly a lot less than we did. Every year the High School cadets here used to fire artillery out to sea from the local rifle range. Now that range isn't even deemed safe for rifles. Not even the poofy, plasticky, poor apologies for a rifle, that the services use now. :whistle:

Never mind, I'm off to the range to play with my latest toy tomorrow. Well, it is a .22 but it isn't particularly toy like. Solidly made actually, almost too much so. I'll need to do some dry firing.

I was in that unit!

Its not the plastic that is the problem, it is the calibre!

What's the .22?

[Swoop]

A firearm, therefore, is made up of the following major components:
Bolt + trigger assembly
Barrel
Stock
Magazine (if present)

Only a bolt + trigger assembly requires a license to be traded (IIRC), seeing as these are absolutely necessary to fire the projectile.
The only component that "makes" a firearm is the piece that has the serial number on it, i.e. the receiver.
All the other parts do not need to be registered (if required).

Have had this discussion with others including an AO.

[Drunken Monkey]

The only component that "makes" a firearm is the piece that has the serial number on it, i.e. the receiver.
All the other parts do not need to be registered (if required).

Have had this discussion with others including an AO.

Mere semantics, that wasn't the point of the post.

[Wolf]

Legal hypothetical:

The bipod is not a firearm, but an accessory as it attaches to a firearm, but is not necessarily required by the firearm for operation, in much the same way as a scope, torch, red-dot, etc...

A firearm, therefore, is made up of the following major components:
Bolt + trigger assembly
Barrel
Stock
Magazine (if present)

Of these, barrels, stock and (with some debate) magazines can be bought and sold without a firearms license if sold as an individual item.

Only a bolt + trigger assembly requires a license to be traded (IIRC), seeing as these are absolutely necessary to fire the projectile.*

When does a firearm component become an accessory?

What else defines "it". For example, the Ruger 10/22 in soft air P-90 stock project I linked to earlier - the item is still a Ruger 10/22, just with a different 'stock'.

Does this mean a stock is an accessory, as it can be changed and technically isn't required for the operation of the firearm?

If so, on what logical grounds would one have to create a piece of legislation that regulates a type of firearm by the stock it has (specifically a free standing pistol grip as being a key component to an MSSA)?

*notwithstanding although dangerous, a projectile fired without a barrel does not have sufficient pressure to accelerate to a deadly speed.
A firearm is made up of:
Lock, Stock and Barrel.

Some means of causing it to discharge, some means of holding it and some means of starting the projectile off in the general direction you want it to go.

It's pretty screwed without any one of them. While you could probably fire my CZ .22 without the stock (the trigger being part of the receiver assembly affixed to the barrel), I really wouldn't want to try and I wouldn't bet on hitting anything.

[Drunken Monkey]

A firearm is made up of:
Lock, Stock and Barrel.

Some means of causing it to discharge, some means of holding it and some means of starting the projectile off in the general direction you want it to go.

It's pretty screwed without any one of them. While you could probably fire my CZ .22 without the stock (the trigger being part of the receiver assembly affixed to the barrel), I really wouldn't want to try and I wouldn't bet on hitting anything.

Then going by your definition, why don't I need to supply a firearms license when pruchasing a stock (or barrel)?

Do I need to rephrase the question?

[jono035]

The problem is that the answer is: Whatever the law says it is.

Logic may or may not enter the equation. In the case of the law, generally it is the upper receiver body as far as I know but could also be extended to be whatever the hell the AO says at the time, given the way these things tend to be handled.

Edit: That is in terms of what part makes a firearm a firearm. As for what consists a firearm and what consists an accessory, I'd say anything mounted to the gun that wasn't required for 'normal' operation, wherein that normal operation is considered as being a common form of operation within the law.

I.e. barrel, receiver, trigger group and stock all firearm, mounting rails, bipods, scopes, suppressors all accessories. Magazines would be part of the firearm when assembled into the firearm, an accessory if they're in your pocket.

[sAsLEX]

I.e. barrel, receiver, trigger group and stock all firearm, mounting rails, bipods, scopes, suppressors all accessories. Magazines would be part of the firearm when assembled into the firearm, an accessory if they're in your pocket.

but to use a rifle you need to be able to aim it so wouldn't the sighting device be integral to the rifle in terms of definition?

[jono035]

but to use a rifle you need to be able to aim it so wouldn't the sighting device be integral to the rifle in terms of definition?

Depends on your intent. Scope, accessory, iron sights are part of the rifle.

[Drunken Monkey]

The problem is that the answer is: Whatever the law says it is.

Logic may or may not enter the equation. ...

We know that, hence hypothetical legal question.

Specifically, how the definition impacts the purchase/sale of firearms and/or their individual components = what is controlled, what isn't controlled. Why would something be ok in one configuration, but not another (e.g. hi-cap mags for Ruger 77/22 vs 10/22), then further impact on use/misuse of the described items, such as pinching my finger in the bipod of the M-14. Swoop was adamant that it was an accessory (I'm inclined to agree), but, where does one draw the line and why.
Is the bipod an accessory because it may be removed, then traded without license? Or is it a case of because it may be traded without a license it is therefor an accessory?
How about stocks? Fitted to one configuration = illegal, fitted to another = legal, just in the same house, but not fitted = case law says (potentially) illegal -> if it's a hi capacity magazine. How about if it's at your mate's house? Legal, as long you don't visit with your firearm??

[jono035]

We know that, hence hypothetical legal question.

Specifically, how the definition impacts the purchase/sale of firearms and/or their individual components = what is controlled, what isn't controlled. Why would something be ok in one configuration, but not another (e.g. hi-cap mags for Ruger 77/22 vs 10/22), then further impact on use/misuse of the described items, such as pinching my finger in the bipod of the M-14. Swoop was adamant that it was an accessory (I'm inclined to agree), but, where does one draw the line and why.
Is the bipod an accessory because it may be removed, then traded without license? Or is it a case of because it may be traded without a license it is therefor an accessory?
How about stocks? Fitted to one configuration = illegal, fitted to another = legal, just in the same house, but not fitted = case law says (potentially) illegal -> if it's a hi capacity magazine. How about if it's at your mate's house? Legal, as long you don't visit with your firearm??

And my point still stands. I was commenting about how people are using logic and reasoning here in order to determine what consists a firearm or not. I was saying that, from a legal point of view, none of that matters.


As to what items are required to have a firearms license to possess/trade then as far as I am aware, it is only the actual receiver itself. You'd need to consult someone with a far better knowledge of the body of common law with respect to firearms to get a definitive answer. Obviously stock and barrel are out. I've bought/sold trigger components on trademe without requiring a license but that doesn't mean much.

From memory I recall the definitive answer to this question being the receiver itself, mostly due to the fact that it is generally the part that is serial numbered. I think I recall someone asking this question at the safety course actually.

[Swoop]

As to what items are required to have a firearms license to possess/trade then as far as I am aware, it is only the actual receiver itself.
... and the ammunition...:shifty:

[jono035]

... and the ammunition...:shifty:

Not if you keep it disassembled before use ;)

[Wolf]

Then going by your definition, why don't I need to supply a firearms license when pruchasing a stock (or barrel)?
"The law is a ass." *



* The correct quote rather than the corrected (mis)quote.

[Wolf]

The trouble is, what is and is not an integral part of a firearm is defined by intelligent people who manufacture firearms and accessories.

What you need a licence to purchase is defined by moronic politicians and "Civil" Servants.

You know, the sort of fucktards that think a hole-through stock is a free-standing military-pattern pistol grip...

If they can't comprehend as simple a concept as "free-standing", what hope is there of them making a sensible decision about anything?

As to scopes - some rifles are manufactured without iron sights and are designed to be used with your choice of scope or aftermarket sight. Other rifles come with iron sights and fitting a scope is optional. On my CZ, a scope's an accessory; on the Ruger .308 I looked at last week, it's a necessity.

Bipods, mounting rails, torches/floodlights etc, while useful, aren't necessities.

[jono035]

The trouble is, what is and is not an integral part of a firearm is defined by intelligent people who manufacture firearms and accessories.

What you need a licence to purchase is defined by moronic politicians and "Civil" Servants.

You know, the sort of fucktards that think a hole-through stock is a free-standing military-pattern pistol grip...

If they can't comprehend as simple a concept as "free-standing", what hope is there of them making a sensible decision about anything?

As to scopes - some rifles are manufactured without iron sights and are designed to be used with your choice of scope or aftermarket sight. Other rifles come with iron sights and fitting a scope is optional. On my CZ, a scope's an accessory; on the Ruger .308 I looked at last week, it's a necessity.

Bipods, mounting rails, torches/floodlights etc, while useful, aren't necessities.

To be fair, I think that this is one of the better aspects of NZ firearms law actually. Being able to freely trade stocks, barrels, magazines and trigger parts is pretty permissive. The only step you could realistically argue for would be having all parts available without a firearms license and only consisting a firearm for license purposes once it was assembled to the point that it could fire a projectile (similar to how reloading components are currently handled) and I really don't see that situation causing that much less hassle, really.

What I'd rather see cleared up are the irritating ambiguities around owning a full capacity magazine that can fit multiple rifles resulting in prosecution on due to the intention to assemble them into a different class of firearm. Getting rid of the MSSA requirements altogether would be a pretty sane way of handling this, one would think...

Aside from that, the problem with declaring parts of a firearm as necessities is just as ambiguous as any other way. A stock and trigger parts are not necessary at all for the firearm to be operational. Barrel, receiver, bolt, firing pin, hammer, hammer spring.

For the purposes of license requirements, only the receiver housing itself should need a firearms license. For the purposes of definitions, a firearm should be comprised of stock/receiver/bolt/trigger group/barrel as the minimum number of components to make up something that would be generally considered a firearm.

Edit: A scope on a rifle without iron sights is not a necessity. It may be for your intended use, but that's just more ambiguity. In the case of a target rifle mounted to a shooting sled with external adjustments, the scope can be limited to getting the rifle on target with the rest of the day spent adjusting from a spotting scope.

[Indiana_Jones]

So party at Chris's next month?

How's the foot Jono?

-Indy

[Mr Merde]

So party at Chris's next month?

How's the foot Jono?

-Indy

And the occasion would be?

[jono035]

And the occasion would be?

Occaision? Why?

Sounds good to me.

Indy: Foot is pretty good, just counting down the days until the next appointment, hopefully that'll see it off (Wednesday the 25th, 11am currently).

[Mr Merde]

A welcome to my 20 year old son who should be arriving about the middle of next month.

[jono035]

A welcome to my 20 year old son who should be arriving about the middle of next month.

Well, that's as good an excuse as any, but I still deny that we should even need an occaision :D

[Mr Merde]

Well, that's as good an excuse as any, but I still deny that we should even need an occaision :D

I agree but we gotta sell that idea to Sharron

[jono035]

I agree but we gotta sell that idea to Sharron

Very true!

[Mr Merde]

Very true!

Not that she really needs a lot of persuading as for some reason she seems to like you lot.

[Drunken Monkey]

I know the location isn't the same, but if we can somehow arrange for a a bit of a blast beforehand, that would make things so much better.

I tested out my new thrower the other week, it's not bloody bad at all for the $49 it cost. Throws singles and doubles and keeps things pretty consistent.

Boom, boom.

[Wolf]

Not that she really needs a lot of persuading as for some reason she seems to like you lot.
No accounting for taste, eh.

[Wolf]

I know the location isn't the same, but if we can somehow arrange for a a bit of a blast beforehand, that would make things so much better.

I tested out my new thrower the other week, it's not bloody bad at all for the $49 it cost. Throws singles and doubles and keeps things pretty consistent.

Boom, boom.
Would enjoy a bit of a blast. Want to sight-in the CZ's scope for a start.

[Indiana_Jones]

We'll use that patch of council land (if I recall correctly) behind Chris's place then? :)

So pencil in a get together for late September?

-Indy

[Drunken Monkey]

We'll use that patch of council land (if I recall correctly) behind Chris's place then? :)

-Indy

As long as you don't damage any people or annoy/frighten any property, Indy (yes I meant it in that order)...

[Swoop]

It looks like the next gunshow will be on the north shore.
Shame about the retard mayor that we have out west...

[jono035]

It looks like the next gunshow will be on the north shore.
Shame about the retard mayor that we have out west...

Good to hear that it has only been temporarily thwarted... There are quite a few people campaigning for the super city stuff now, it'd be a good idea to ask them their opinions on it if anyone gets the chance.

[The Pastor]

north shore 4 life!

The more I live here, the more i like it :D

[Mr Merde]

north shore 4 life!

The more I live here, the more i like it :D

Yarpies of the world unite and congregate near RM. HE loves you all

[jono035]

Yarpies of the world unite and congregate near RM. HE loves you all

No joke.

I'm quite the opposite, the more I see of the shore, the more determined I am to stay the hell away from it.

For me the decision is either live close to where I work or live as far away as practical. One is expensive but saves on commuting time, one gives better quality of life. The north shore seems to be the worst of both worlds...

[sAsLEX]

No joke.

I'm quite the opposite, the more I see of the shore, the more determined I am to stay the hell away from it.

For me the decision is either live close to where I work or live as far away as practical. One is expensive but saves on commuting time, one gives better quality of life. The north shore seems to be the worst of both worlds...

Unless you work on the Shore!

[jono035]

Unless you work on the Shore!

You mean if you're in the Navy or in retail? :p

[The Pastor]

Yarpies of the world unite and congregate near RM. HE loves you all

shore girls, sure thing.

[Indiana_Jones]

It looks like the next gunshow will be on the north shore.
Shame about the retard mayor that we have out west...

Where did you hear this to?

-Indy

[Swoop]

Where did you hear this to?

-Indy
Huh? A vague question.
Where did I hear this? = Latest NZGuns magazine.
Where is it going to? = Somewhere around Northcote (iirc).

[The Pastor]

Huh? A vague question.
Where did I hear this? = Latest NZGuns magazine.
Where is it going to? = Somewhere around Northcote (iirc).

it wasnt tonar street was it? if so thats not the gun fair, its the underground gun dealership!
http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/north-shore-times/801169

[Indiana_Jones]

The Shore is rough as bo!

-Indy

[The Pastor]

FYI its going to be at the aut sports centre northcote

[Swoop]

OK.
Where has the Sunnybrae Rd gunshop gone?

What have you lot done with it?

[The Pastor]

wills is now on wairau road mate

[Swoop]

wills is now on wairau road mate
Ta.
When did they move there? I would have thought the rents would be much worse on the main road.

[The Pastor]

Ta.
When did they move there? I would have thought the rents would be much worse on the main road.

Maybe a month ago, pretty recent, new store is bigger i think (havn't been inside) much bigger road view profile and new updated signs etc.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Needed to compete with Guncity out Mt Roskill.
More clothing, fishing stuff than before, about the
Same firearms stuff.

[The Pastor]

going on a hunt again soon, once i figure out how to hunt i'll organise a kb hunt if anyone is keen.

[avgas]

Am I legally allowed for fire a slug gun in my back yard?
I am planning to ask the neighbors. But would be good to know before hand.

If I can't shoot it in the back yard - where can I in Auckland? Would feel kinda shit taking it to a gun club as its a break barrel, so not exactly as accurate as an Anshulz lol

Also someone said to me rules have changed for firearms license? Anything major?
Was planning to go for it in Dec - as I have 4 rifles (all bolt action) that have not been shot in since I left home.

[Swoop]

21 September, 2010: The U.S. Army and Marine Corps have parted company on the issue of what kind of rifle ammo is best for the troops. The army began to ship lead-free M855A1 5.56mm bullets to its troops over the Summer. The marines went with a slightly more expensive Mk308 (or SOST) round, that SOCOM (Special Operations Command) recently developed. SOST contains lead, but SOCOM considers it more effective in combat than any other 5.56mm round.
All this came about because of years of political pressure on the army to use non-lead bullets. That's because training and combat use of army 5.56mm weapons puts 2,000 tons of lead back into the environment each year. This lead was originally taken out of the environment to be temporarily stored in the form of bullets.

While this non-lead policy burnishes the army's image and environmental cred, it also provides troops with an inferior bullet; the M855A1 copper alloy slug. But inferior to what? Well to a another new bullet. SOCOM (Special Operations Command) has developed a new 5.56mm bullet, the SOST (Special Operations Science and Technology) round. The SOST bullet solves a problem the M855 has long had, the inability to penetrate things like automobile windshields. SOST uses lead, and also has more killing power than the M855 (that did not inflict as much internal damage, and bleeding, as 7.62mm and 9mm rounds.) The M855A1 didn't solve these problems, but it was "green" (less polluting).

The U.S. Marine Corps was going to switch to the M855A1, but changed their minds when they found out about the SOST round. Army troops would like a heavier M855A1 bullet, not really caring if it’s made of lead or copper. Soldiers would like the SOST round, but the only army personnel getting that are Special Forces troops. The army has spent over $32 million developing the M855A1. SOCOM spent a lot less developing SOST, which has a bullet that weighs as much as the M855A1 slug, but is based on a popular hunting bullet design (the Federal Trophy Bonded Bear Claw). SOST is more accurate than the M855A1, as well as being deadlier and having greater penetrating power.

The army is still working on an environmentally correct 7.62mm round, and ignoring troop requests for the SOST round. There have not been a lot of complaints from troops about the M855A1 round. That's because the times that the older M855 round caused problems were few. Moreover, the M855A1 was specifically designed for the shorter barreled M4 rifle that most army troops carry. Most marines carry the longer (by about 100mm/4 inches) barreled M-16. But for the moment, the marines and SOCOM troops have a more polluting round that is more problem free, which can save a few American lives over time. The enemy, of course, has no lead-free rounds at all.

[The Pastor]

Am I legally allowed for fire a slug gun in my back yard?
I am planning to ask the neighbors. But would be good to know before hand.

If I can't shoot it in the back yard - where can I in Auckland? Would feel kinda shit taking it to a gun club as its a break barrel, so not exactly as accurate as an Anshulz lol

Also someone said to me rules have changed for firearms license? Anything major?
Was planning to go for it in Dec - as I have 4 rifles (all bolt action) that have not been shot in since I left home.

if your neighbours are all good in the hood with it then yeah no problems. Just make sure no one can see / hear or that kids are playing over the fence.

might be worth ringing the arms officer and checking if its ok with him.

[scumdog]

Yes, twice. I'll give it till next week and if I haven't heard anything I'll pop into the station and ask what the hold up is.

There is probably a minimum hight requirement for firearm ownership.. yeah, that'll be it, a minimum hight restriction...get taller and you'll get you gun licence..

[SMOKEU]

Am I legally allowed for fire a slug gun in my back yard?


You can legally use an airgun in your back yard as long as you have a solid back stop and aren't doing anything reckless with it, such as taking pot shots at the neighbours cat.

[jono035]

Well, quiet few weeks, eh?

Only just got back into the country this morning so didn't get to go to the arms fair, who went and how was it? Gutted that I missed it.

Saw a few interesting sights while away. Went to the Beretta gunshop in central London, mostly shotguns though so not really my cup of tea, although looking at a GBP100k u/o 12 gauge was interesting. Had a look through my uncles gun collection and there were a few interesting little things in there... A 9mm rimfire bolt action 'garden gun', fires all-brass 9mm shot-shells. Also a cartridge collection with a couple of 4 gauge and 10 gauge cardboard shells, some pinfire shells, a diesel engine starting blank (wtf??) among other things. Neat stuff.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Bigger floor area than out west. Usual assortment of toys.
Spent too much- as usual !

[The Pastor]

Hi all,

Ive found a meet hunt on http://www.fishnhunt.co.nz/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1285659250

This looks like a very easy way to full the freezer. ( farm land, and don't even have to carry it out!)

The details are below, if you wanna go tell me ASAP, I think its going to full fast Date is Nov 26/27/28.


Details as before
Arrive Fri PM and Depart Sun PM
Hunting Sat and Sun until midday as required.
Accom in shearers quarters, hot showers, toilet etc.
Meals provided incl Fri Supper, Sat Brkfst, packed lunch and dinner incl wines. Sun Brkfst and lite lunch.
Deer collected by 4x4 and use of killing shed to dress out kills.
Guiding , insruction and hints on dressing out as required.
Rifle avail if required.
300m range avail if you need to check rifle.

Shooting of free range Fallow is over open hillcountry with pockets of bush.
Price is $250 pp which includes 1 deer. Additional deer @ $100 each.

[Swoop]

7 October, 2010: The U.S. Army has ordered 3,600 upgrade kits for its M24 bolt-action sniper rifles, which will convert them to the M24E1. This will turn the existing 7.62mm M24 rifles into ones capable of firing the .300 Winchester magnum (7.62x67) round. This is a more powerful round than the NATO 7.62x51 round currently used in the M24. The conversion kit includes a new receiver and barrel, a new scope, a new flash suppressor and a folding buttstock. The conversion will take five years and will cost about $7,800 per rifle.
Last year, the army ordered 38.4 million rounds of .300 Winchester magnum ammunition for its newly modified M-24 sniper rifles, as well as similar SOCOMs Mk13 models. The new ammo costs about $1.30 per round. The .300 Winchester magnum ammo is ordered in minimum lots of 56,160 rounds (117 boxes of 480 rounds each). The entire 38.4 million rounds will last a while.

All this is in response to requests from snipers for a longer range weapon, but not one as bulky and heavy as the 13.6 kg (30 pound) .50 caliber/12.7mm rifle (which is good to about 2,000 meters). Thus the army is modifying existing M24 rifles to fire the more powerful .300 Winchester Magnum round. It was felt that this gave the snipers all the additional range they needed, without requiring a much heavier rifle. SOCOM has been using this approach since the early 1990s.

The calls were loudest from snipers operating in Afghanistan, where U.S. Army and Marine Corps shooters wanted a sniper rifle that can consistently get kills out to 1,800 meters. The current 7.62mm round was good only to about 800 meters. The 300 Winchester magnum is a more powerful, but not much larger, round than the current 7.62mm one. An improved version of the magnum round is expected to extend that range another 200 meters or so.

There was another option, and that was to replace the barrel and receiver of the M24 sniper rifles to handle the .338 (8.6mm) Lapua Magnum round. Thus you still have a 17 pound sniper rifle, but with a round that can hit effectively out to 1,600 meters or more. British snipers in Iraq, and especially Afghanistan, have found the Lapua Magnum round does the job at twice the range of the standard 7.62x51mm round. The 8.6mm round entered use in the early 1990s, and became increasingly popular with police and military snipers. Dutch snipers have used this round in Afghanistan with much success, and have a decade of experience with these larger caliber rifles. British snipers in Afghanistan are also using the new round, having converted many of their 7.62mm sniper rifles. Recognizing the popularity of the 8.6mm round, Barrett, the pioneer in 12.7mm sniper rifles, came out with a 15.5 pound version of its rifle, chambered for the 8.6mm. But the U.S. preferred the lighter .300 Winchester magnum solution.

This is not the first time the U.S. Army has quickly responded to sniper needs. Two years ago, in response to requests from snipers operating in urban areas of Iraq, the U.S. Army began issuing the M110 SASS (Semi-Automatic Sniper System). Urban snipers often have multiple targets, at relatively short ranges. They needed a semiautomatic rifle. Previously, many snipers have had success using tuned up M-14s (from the 1960s) as sniper rifles. While semi-automatic and rugged, the M-14 wasn't designed to be a sniper rifle. The M110 was a better semi-automatic sniper rifle, since it is inherently more reliable and accurate. As far back as World War II, it was known that there were many situations where a semi-automatic sniper rifle would come in handy. But it's taken over half a century to solve the reliability and accuracy problems.

The M110 is a based on the AR-10 rifle. The U.S. Navy has been buying a similar weapon, the SR25. This is also known as the Mk11 Sniper Rifle System (SRS). These new semi-automatic sniper rifles are 7.62mm weapons based on the designs of M-16 creator, Gene Stoner. The basis for the M-16 was the AR-15, and a 7.62mm version of that weapon was called the AR-10. About half the parts in the SR25 are interchangeable with those in the M-16. The Stoner sniper rifles achieved its high accuracy partly by using a 20 inch heavy floating barrel. The "floating" means that the barrel is attached only to the main body of the rifle to reduce resonance (which throws off accuracy.)

The M110 weighs 7.9 kg (17.3 pounds) in combat, and about 32 kg (70 pounds) with all components of the system. The M110 can use a ten or twenty round magazine. The 128 cm (40.5 inch) long rifle can have a 15 cm (six inch) tube attached to the barrel, which reduces the noise and flash made when the rifle fires, and largely eliminates nearby dust rising into the air, which often gives away the snipers position.

The M110 will gradually replace many of the bolt-action M24s, while the remaining M24s will be converted to fire the .300 Winchester Magnum, for those snipers working somewhere, like Afghanistan, where more range is needed.

[sAsLEX]

7 October, 2010: The U.S. Army has ordered 3,600 upgrade kits for its M24 bolt-action sniper rifles, which will convert them to the M24E1. This will turn the existing 7.62mm M24 rifles into ones capable of firing the .300 Winchester magnum (7.62x67) round. This is a more powerful round than the NATO 7.62x51 round currently used in the M24. The conversion kit includes a new receiver and barrel, a new scope, a new flash suppressor and a folding buttstock. The conversion will take five years and will cost about $7,800 per rifle.


And how much would buying a new Remington 700 in 300 mag, same scope etc cost?

Got to love military spending!

[jono035]

And how much would buying a new Remington 700 in 300 mag, same scope etc cost?

Got to love military spending!

Possibly they're including the costs of the logistics for the switch. Takes a decent amount of time and effort to keep track of all the rifles coming in/going out, etc.

[The Pastor]

And how much would buying a new Remington 700 in 300 mag, same scope etc cost?

Got to love military spending!

I doubt they would be using a stock 700 off the shelf.

[The Pastor]

kaimanawa's are beautiful!

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Agreed, but I prefer the Kaweka's

[Finn]

There is probably a minimum hight requirement for firearm ownership.. yeah, that'll be it, a minimum hight restriction...get taller and you'll get you gun licence..

That's why I needed an E Cat. With the extra long mag resting on the ground, it's the perfect height.

[scumdog]

That's why I needed an E Cat. With the extra long mag resting on the ground, it's the perfect height.

Who said that?

Stand up that man...


(and there ain't a short enough mag in the world to suit your 'hight'!)

[Delerium]

Agreed, but I prefer the Kaweka's
why is that? I havent been to the kawekas yet but would like to.

[frogfeaturesFZR]

Can't tell you the exact reason, bit more remote, have to work A bit harder for result?
Dunno it's just a great place to spend some time.
Used to read the books by Philip Holden, it's interesting to compare what he wrote about to how it was when I first went there 20 + years ago.

[Expert]

Hey, no doubt someone has already asked this rather obvious question.
Is there anywhere in auckland i can shoot a possum where people won't kick up about it?
i don't want to travel for one possum.
i want to see what one tastes like rather than just shooting it for the fur.
seen a recipe on the 'pooter and want to try it out, apparently it's rare to find one with tb!!??
Anyone else tried it? tasty?
i got them in my garden but my neighbour will report me if i shoot it and i don't need the attention from the law, she's mad.

[jono035]

Hey, no doubt someone has already asked this rather obvious question.
Is there anywhere in auckland i can shoot a possum where people won't kick up about it?
i don't want to travel for one possum.
i want to see what one tastes like rather than just shooting it for the fur.
seen a recipe on the 'pooter and want to try it out, apparently it's rare to find one with tb!!??
Anyone else tried it? tasty?
i got them in my garden but my neighbour will report me if i shoot it and i don't need the attention from the law, she's mad.

I've heard from quite a few different people that TB is only really a problem in the south island population. My parents use trapped/shot possums for dog food regularly (around 3-5 a week) without any issues. I've even eaten them myself on a couple of occasions and I'm still here.

For getting one in and around the city outskirts, I'd suggest just getting a .177 air rifle. A good couple of shots will drop one.

If you've got one in the garden then it's pretty easy to trap them. Freshly cut pieces of apple seem to work the best. I've even got a live-capture cat-trap if you want to borrow it. Have used those successfully for possums a few times before, normally use neck-hold traps up home.

[The Pastor]

TB is killed with cooking isnt it?

[Expert]

Hey jono35.
Trapping the little buggers is a bloody good idea! Why didn't i think of that?
When you own a gun you just get in the mindset to shoot everything!

Your cat trap would be the right size for a possum too. Can i borrow it please? I'll pm you.
What about the neck hold trap? is that like a snare? What does the possum taste like? how did you cook it?

[The Pastor]

a silenced 22 with subsonic ammo, is pretty quite

[jono035]

Hey jono35.
Trapping the little buggers is a bloody good idea! Why didn't i think of that?
When you own a gun you just get in the mindset to shoot everything!

Your cat trap would be the right size for a possum too. Can i borrow it please? I'll pm you.
What about the neck hold trap? is that like a snare? What does the possum taste like? how did you cook it?

Yeah, sure. The cat-trap type ones we used had a hanging hook to put the bait on where this one is a pressure plate, but I'd be confident in it working pretty similarly.

http://www.ew.govt.nz/environmental-information/Plant-and-animal-pests/Animal-pests/Possums/Trapping-possums/#Heading4 has a pretty good description of the neck-hold traps under the 'Kill Traps' section. The problem with them is that you've got a pretty decent chance of getting inquisitive cats/small dogs with them too, depending on where you're living. Basically they're a box that the possum sticks its head in then a swinging arm hits the possum in the throat, trapping it and strangling it.

Don't really remember what it tasted like, I remember describing it as a strong gamey peppery flavour. We have tried it roasted, stewed and even had it cooked in an Umu by a crazy Fijian guy once.

[Wolf]

even had it cooked in an Umu by a crazy Fijian guy once.
Don't know any crazy Fijian blokes, so that recipe's fucked from the outset.

[jono035]

Don't know any crazy Fijian blokes, so that recipe's fucked from the outset.

Well the cooking part of it was relatively sane... We put a few .177 slugs into the possum and it was just hanging, the guy climbed up the tree like a freakin monkey, grabbed the possum, threw it down, climbed down, picked up the possum with our fox terrier hanging off it and walked off towards the house... That was the crazy part...

[sAsLEX]

I was "looking" at some Butler Creek Steel Lips mags the other day for the Ruger and thought it was dumb how when clipped together, the second mag protrudes to the left of the weapon making it damn awkward to hold for a right handed shooter! Can't really see a situation when one would need the number of rounds that would give you.....

Heading north for the weekend to a mates farm that has excess goats and rabbits!

[jono035]

I was "looking" at some Butler Creek Steel Lips mags the other day for the Ruger and thought it was dumb how when clipped together, the second mag protrudes to the left of the weapon making it damn awkward to hold for a right handed shooter! Can't really see a situation when one would need the number of rounds that would give you.....

Heading north for the weekend to a mates farm that has excess goats and rabbits!

I've never really seen the point in those... The mags are a nice compact size to have a couple in a jacket pocket, anyway.

[The Pastor]

all right negros, chirs son and jono are all booked in for the hunt. (it's now full)

The cost is $250ea (meals, accom, 1deer) any more deer at 100$.

Prob need to take half day off on friday Nov 26 - prob leave at like 3pmish.

[Drunken Monkey]

http://www.keepshooting.com/firearmaccessories/magazines/m14_mag_20rd.htm

M14/M1A/M305 20 round magazines for US$16. Over 900 in stock. OMG, it's almost tempting to put an order in for the hell of it!

[scumdog]

http://www.keepshooting.com/firearmaccessories/magazines/m14_mag_20rd.htm

M14/M1A/M305 20 round magazines for US$16. Over 900 in stock. OMG, it's almost tempting to put an order in for the hell of it!


Hmm, reckon ya can get some without (or even with?) a Cat. E licence.

[jono035]

Hmm, reckon ya can get some without (or even with?) a Cat. E licence.

No problem buying magazines even without any firearms license at all. The problem is that there is legal precedent that owning a normal capacity magazine and an A-cat semi-auto rifle that will accept it is considered intent to assemble an illegal E-cat firearm.

[scumdog]

No problem buying magazines even without any firearms license at all. The problem is that there is legal precedent that owning a normal capacity magazine and an A-cat semi-auto rifle that will accept it is considered intent to assemble an illegal E-cat firearm.


Exactly what I was alluding to...

[Drunken Monkey]

Was thinking of doing the license anyway for the mil style sports shooting my colleague does.

I just think it's diabolical to charge the NZ$200 they do here.

[Drunken Monkey]

Cool.

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-AIA/index.shtm

[Banditbandit]

Cool.

http://www.marstar.ca/gf-AIA/index.shtm

Yeah ... look cool on the wall ... but Enfields were always heavy pieces to cart around in the bush ... 'cept the MKIV Jungle Carbine version ...

http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/images/uploads/Jungle_carbine_live/jungle_carbine_9.jpg

[Swoop]

Yeah ... look cool on the wall ... but Enfields were always heavy pieces to cart around in the bush ... 'cept the MKIV Jungle Carbine version ...
Yup. Lighter to carry but BLOODY LOUD!!!

[scumdog]

Yeah ... look cool on the wall ... but Enfields were always heavy pieces to cart around in the bush ... 'cept the MKIV Jungle Carbine version ...

And they kick like a mule - it was the first time British Army had a recoil pad fitted to a general issue weapon.

[The Pastor]

chris / jono

here is the land we will be hunting in
http://www.fishnhunt.co.nz/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1287905290

Looks like we might be needing some binos, i've only got a crap pair, but my rifle is only good for 200 yards anyway :P

[jono035]

chris / jono

here is the land we will be hunting in
http://www.fishnhunt.co.nz/forum/YaBB.cgi?num=1287905290

Looks like we might be needing some binos, i've only got a crap pair, but my rifle is only good for 200 yards anyway :P

Looks good. Rifle needed, though. Unless I take the .303, but I suck with Iron sights so go figure.

[The Pastor]

well my 30-30 is good, but still iron sights...

[Mr Merde]

I will be taking the 32-40 Marlin Lever Action loaded with 170 gn soft lead bullets powered by 38 gns of FFg

Good for up to 150-200 yards max.

Will bring along a cut down .303 for the lad to use.

[The Pastor]

I will be taking the 32-40 Marlin Lever Action loaded with 170 gn soft lead bullets powered by 38 gns of FFg

Good for up to 150-200 yards max.

Will bring along a cut down .303 for the lad to use.

marlins are awesome

[Mr Merde]

Jono do you need a .303 to use? I can supply the ammo also

[jono035]

Jono do you need a .303 to use? I can supply the ammo also

Well between my .303 and Scott's .30-30 I think I'm sorted. I'm just seeing if I can rustle up something with a scope on, I wouldn't want to be shooting at anything beyond about 100m with irons, my eyes aren't good enough.

[The Pastor]

don't worry too much jono you can borrow my 308 if worse comes to worse, im picking we will spot more deer than we can shoot

[jono035]

don't worry too much jono you can borrow my 308 if worse comes to worse, im picking we will spot more deer than we can shoot

Cheers. Thinking about it, with a cut down SMLE, the 32-40 black powder, the .30-30 and the .308 MLX, I think we're probably pretty well covered...

Just looking at those photos on the other forum, looks like some pretty serious hills etc. so wouldn't want to get left out due to not being able to get close enough for a comfortable shot.

[Drunken Monkey]

Good luck, be safe and have fun fellas.

[The Pastor]

Cheers. Thinking about it, with a cut down SMLE, the 32-40 black powder, the .30-30 and the .308 MLX, I think we're probably pretty well covered...

Just looking at those photos on the other forum, looks like some pretty serious hills etc. so wouldn't want to get left out due to not being able to get close enough for a comfortable shot.

you can stalk deer to a close enough distance...

[Mr Merde]

Well between my .303 and Scott's .30-30 I think I'm sorted. I'm just seeing if I can rustle up something with a scope on, I wouldn't want to be shooting at anything beyond about 100m with irons, my eyes aren't good enough.

I have two cut down .303's with scopes.

One for the son to shoot ands one available to you if you want.

Call me on my mble

[jono035]

I have two cut down .303's with scopes.

One for the son to shoot ands one available to you if you want.

Call me on my mble

Ah, that makes it easier. I've got a couple of boxes of .303 ammo here, anyway.

[Mr Merde]

Ah, that makes it easier. I've got a couple of boxes of .303 ammo here, anyway.

I have about 300 rounds of factory, modern production,.303 ammo. From memory it is soft point not military ball.

Sharron's brother left it for me under instructions to use it before it went past its use by date.

[jono035]

I have about 300 rounds of factory, modern production,.303 ammo. From memory it is soft point not military ball.

Sharron's brother left it for me under instructions to use it before it went past its use by date.

Well I'll bring my 40-50 rounds along and we can have a play with that on the sighting range for comparison.

It'd be a shame to let the other stuff go mouldy though...

[sAsLEX]

I have about 300 rounds of factory, modern production,.303 ammo. From memory it is soft point not military ball.

Sharron's brother left it for me under instructions to use it before it went past its use by date.

<img src=http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs416.ash2/69424_444793641570_623286570_5718607_5856383_n.jpg>

Like this .22 ammo a mate was using in the weekend!


Also shot a goat, twice, with the .308 at about 200m but the second shot stood the thing up and it managed to leg it, leaking a fair bit of blood. Lost the blood trial in the gorse after about 150m.

Had been using the scope as a spotting scope at 25m and forgot to wind the focus back out so shot was taken blurry, but was a decent shoulder shot.

Damn strong things these goats.

[Winston001]

Future Weapons by Kevin Dockery. http://www.armchairgeneral.com/future-weapons-book-review.htm

An excellent read if you are interested in pistols, submachine guns, and assault rifles. The title is a bit misleading because the content concentrates on the recent history of weapons development rather than the magical science-fiction type of the future. Nevertheless I enjoyed it and its a pedant's dream. Not only each weapon but its variations are described with photos.

[Wolf]

Not long finished "Sniper (http://www.amazon.com/Sniper-PB-History-Marksman-Military/dp/1846034957/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288650088&sr=1-1)" by Martin Pegler - fantastic read and goes right into the history of sharpshooting. I suspect Chris would love it... if it's not already in his library.

[Mr Merde]

Not long finished "Sniper (http://www.amazon.com/Sniper-PB-History-Marksman-Military/dp/1846034957/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1288650088&sr=1-1)" by Martin Pegler - fantastic read and goes right into the history of sharpshooting. I suspect Chris would love it... if it's not already in his library.

Not in my library yet.

Havent been on the site much lately as this Aucklnd council change has been a nightmare and there is no sign of it getting any better.

Loaded up 100 34-40 rounds now. Itching to fire the gun. Almost tempted to try it out the opther night when all the fireworks were going off.

Taking the 1893 Marlin hunting later this month with RM, Jono and my boy. Need to fire it sometime to see where it shoots.

Applied for a load of jobs over the past week. A lot in Aussie. SOme in the South Island. Anywhere thats not Auckland.

Come January I will be completely debt free, apart from the mortgage. Budgeted at saving about $400 a fortnight. new bike and new rifles in the not so distant future. Thinking very seriously about getting a De Lisle .45 ACP rifle. Had a gunsmith offer to make me one for about $2000. A cracking possum gun. No disturbance for the locals. No cases left lying around. 50-100 metre sniping.

Keep talkking. this thread has been quiet for a while. Whats wrong with you all?

Chris

[Drunken Monkey]

We're overdue for a group BBQ/shoot to stir up some new founded enthusiasm. It's not like the weather has been shitty, but it's the same old story - we need somewhere to shoot!

It's a shame you're looking elsewhere, you vast knowledge and enthusiasm for the sport will be missed.

[The Pastor]

don't move to aussie, kangaroos are much harder to have your way with, compared to sheep or kiwi girls. (on account of the bouncing)

[Mr Merde]

We're overdue for a group BBQ/shoot to stir up some new founded enthusiasm. It's not like the weather has been shitty, but it's the same old story - we need somewhere to shoot!

It's a shame you're looking elsewhere, you vast knowledge and enthusiasm for the sport will be missed.

How about if I talk sweetly to "she who must be obeyed" her royal magesty Sharron and suggest that we have a BBQ at the house beginning of December sometime.

[jono035]

How about if I talk sweetly to "she who must be obeyed" her royal magesty Sharron and suggest that we have a BBQ at the house beginning of December sometime.

Sounds good, although the fact that you chose to colour that text red lends a slightly ominous tone...

[Wolf]

Itching to fire the gun. Almost tempted to try it out the opther night when all the fireworks were going off.
You're not the only one :devil2:

[Indiana_Jones]

Sounds good to me :)

Can't be the weekend of the 4th and 5th for myself as I'm meant to be having a birthday do or what not

-Indy

[Swoop]

Thinking very seriously about getting a De Lisle .45 ACP rifle. Had a gunsmith offer to make me one for about $2000.
There is one on the goon city website (http://www.guncity.co.nz/45-cal-de-lisle-carbine-suppressed-xidp231974.html).

Nice to see that their pricing structure is still the same as always...:facepalm:

[The Pastor]

i can bring 1 crate of beer

[Mr Merde]

Docs have signed me off work for the nexxt two weeks.

Told to relax, do something for myself for a change.

Blood pressure hit 160 over 110.

Need to contact me call me at home or by e-mail to pineyre00@xtra.co.nz

have a new gmail account Dipmerde@gmail.com

54 next week. Hunting two days afterwards.

Merde

[The Pastor]

shit chris, thats no good aye, you take it easy!

[Indiana_Jones]

Take it easy Chris!

At least do one weekend of sweet f-all :)

-Indy

[hospitalfood]

we need somewhere to shoot!

.

I am an associate member of the northern wairoa pistol club where I shoot my rifles, about 10 km north of dargaville. It is a long way for most ( 140km round trip for me ) but I go there every 2nd or 3rd sunday, heading up tomorrow. I have a key but sunday usually has a few members up there anyway. No cost but if you end up coming every week then it is polite to join. associate membership is $150 a year I think. Pistols a bit more.
there is about 10 positions on the 50 m range and 10 ish on the 100 m, and it is possible to set up between 10 m to 100 m. pistol shooters welcome but I do not have my B endorsement and there must be 2 B endorsement present for pistol shooting, but there is usually another B endorsement there. Range rules are fairly standard and must be obeyed, I am happy to brief. no unsafe behavior will be tolerated. It is a friendly casual bunch of guys but safety first. If you are keen to come along for a shoot email me at adammichaelmuir@gmail.com or call on 021 336 067. cheers.

[hospitalfood]

There is a local farmer in Paparoa where I live who lets me shoot on his property any time, but I am not willing to take people I have never shot with before. He is ok with me setting up long range targets.

[Mr Merde]

There is a local farmer in Paparoa where I live who lets me shoot on his property any time, but I am not willing to take people I have never shot with before. He is ok with me setting up long range targets.

Say hello to the boys from Dai Sloe. Cannonball (aka Bill), AJ, Grumpy (aka Greg)

Good club, nice range, friendly members.

[hospitalfood]

Say hello to the boys from Dai Sloe. Cannonball (aka Bill), AJ, Grumpy (aka Greg)

Good club, nice range, friendly members.

Will do, not seen Bill for a bit but will be seeing AJ tomorrow and probably Greg, Greg dropped a rabbit the other day at about 300m with subsonic .22. Not sure which one was more surprised.

[Mr Merde]

Will do, not seen Bill for a bit but will be seeing AJ tomorrow and probably Greg, Greg dropped a rabbit the other day at about 300m with subsonic .22. Not sure which one was more surprised.

Was up there a couple of months ago for Bills 60th birthday.

[The Pastor]

this is where we are going

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=Te+Hue+Road,+Kakatahi,+Manawatu-Wanganui,+New+Zealand&sll=-39.854872,175.142412&sspn=0.030507,0.055189&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Te+Hue+Rd,+Kakatahi+4573,+Manawatu-Wanganui,+New+Zealand&ll=-39.670563,175.344243&spn=0.014469,0.027595&t=h&z=15&iwloc=A

anyone got a good spot to grab some kai south of tamaranui?

[Usarka]

I had a go on a range with an MP5 last week.

Absolutely amazing. Out of 50 rounds, only 1 missed the target (indoor range). Was firing up to around 15 rounds in fully auto. Compact, accurate, well weighted and user friendly. It just "feels" good.



:woohoo:

[The Pastor]

I had a go on a range with an MP5 last week.

Absolutely amazing. Out of 50 rounds, only 1 missed the target (indoor range). Was firing up to around 15 rounds in fully auto. Compact, accurate, well weighted and user friendly. It just "feels" good.



:woohoo:

awesome, how did u swing that sweet deal?

[Usarka]

awesome, how did u swing that sweet deal?

Vegas. In the good old US of A.

[Mr Merde]

I had a go on a range with an MP5 last week.

Absolutely amazing. Out of 50 rounds, only 1 missed the target (indoor range). Was firing up to around 15 rounds in fully auto. Compact, accurate, well weighted and user friendly. It just "feels" good.



:woohoo:

You think that was nice you should have tried the SD model.

QUIET FUN.

[steelphoenix]

Firearms? No. Weapons? Yes.

Everyone in our household does historical reenactment, so we're fairly well armed.
Swords, daggers, bows, shields, polearms... Numbers fluctuate depending on who's repairing what for whom... :innocent:

[The Pastor]

Firearms? No. Weapons? Yes.

Everyone in our household does historical reenactment, so we're fairly well armed.
Swords, daggers, bows, shields, polearms... Numbers fluctuate depending on who's repairing what for whom... :innocent:

well sounds like you better get a rifle or three, no better time to start than the presents. (of Christmas)

[Mr Merde]

I have been waiting for Scott or jono to post something re the hunt we went on two weekends ago. They bhavent so i suppose i better.

It was a great trip down on a hot day. We got there about 7pm and decided to sight in the rifles. The others there pointed us in the direction of the range and we headed off. Only 15 min walk were were told. 1 hour later were decided to turn back. Seems we took the wrong turn. Back to the shearers quarters where we chatted with the others and waited for dinner. Great food.

Next morning up at 5 am for breakfast then out by 6am into the hills. We all got to the range for our sighting in. My 32-40 turned out to be next to useless in my hands. I need to look into this. Scope mounts broke on jono's rifle so we were left with iron sights. We headed off to our designated area for the mornings hunt.

Here I became a liability. I am so unfit and my health not very conducive to hill walking. by the time we had reached the tops I was knackered. I sat down on the top ridge and had a kip for about an hour.

Woken by a very loud shot further up I saw Scottat the very pinacl of a rise. No sign of Jono. All of a sudden two hinds bolted very near my son(Welshy) and I. I started to take aim but realised that Scott was off in the firing line so i didnt take a shot. A few minutes later a flurry of shots and there was Scott jumping for joy. His 30-30 had taken a nice yearling.

While he walked down the slope to gut and dress the carcass Welshy and I made our way to a lowert position. Jono was on the other side of the valley, sliding down on his arse. We all me up about 30 min later. Scott had his deer strung over his back.

The flies were horrendous so we decided to walk out to the huts and deposit the deer inj the cool shed. This walk ouit took about 1 hour and were were tired at the end of it.

I decided to call it a day but Jono, Scott and Welshy were loaned a .223 single shot and they headed off on the quad to the area we had been hunting. About 4 hours later they came back with 2 more yearlings. These were hung in the cool shed till the morning.

hat night we had a glorious meal of venison cassarole and apple crumble.

Next morning up aty 5 am and Scott Jono and I were driven off into the hills again. It was my turn. i was loaned a .243 rifle. First sighting was a 280 metre shot and i soon discovered that the optics hadnt been looked after and I couldnt see through them clearly. I missed that shot. We carried on and saw anothe 2 year old. After climbing almost vertical slopes I was in a position to take a shot. Again I missed that one and the following though addmittedly the second shot was lasered in at 300 metres.

On the way down we startled a hgind in a gully. Ity was noted the this animal was clearly limping so as we only had 3 more rounds of ammo left i suggested to the property owner that i would prefer he put the animal down as I had missed 3 shots already. Alan did so and it turned out the animal had been shot through the leg the day before. We harvested the animal. It was a good 3 year old.

Back at the huts we spent the next few hours boning out the animal we had killed. The 4 animals filled a large chilli bin when dressed out.

It was bloody hot down on the farm and we were knackered.

Left for home about 1pm. Got home and puit the venison in the freezer.

A great weekend. I thoroughly enjoyed it. I need to get fitter. I need a heavier bolt action rifle. i need good optics.


I have a reason to buy more guns.

Yippee.

My son Welshy, took his deer with one shot at 140 metres on a running deer. He was ecstatic and is now a confirmed hunter. He is looking for a left handed rifle.

So in conlusion. Thanks Scott for arrangin gthe trip and Jono for being such great company durinmg it.

Chris

[jono035]

Cheers for that, Chris.

I've had my sister, my cousin and her partner living with me for the past week and work has gotten quite busy so I've barely had a spare moment all week.

Was an awesome weekend for sure.

Have had a couple of meals out of the fillet steaks already which were beautiful. Have also just started eating my first batch of biltong. Came out absolutely beautifully, ate most of it before I thought to take a few photos.

[Drunken Monkey]

... I need a heavier bolt action rifle. i need good optics.


I have a reason to buy more guns.


I gotta Parker Hale in .243 with your name on it still...

[Mr Merde]

I gotta Parker Hale in .243 with your name on it still...

I thought you had passed that one on already.

What sort of price?

[The Pastor]

this rifle looks like a good buy

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=338385305

[Mr Merde]

this rifle looks like a good buy

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=338385305

It does look like a nice rifle. Unfortunately I am not a fan of the .270. Always found it a bit too hard a recoiling rifle to shoot comfortably. I have been looking at .243 and 7mm-08.

[Drunken Monkey]

I thought you had passed that one on already.

What sort of price?

Nope, I've not been in a rush to sell it as I'm not getting out much. PM'd a price.

[Mr Merde]

To all those members of the Onewhero Shooting Club.

On New Years Day it is my sons 20th birthday. His first in NZ

We are holding a party for him in the afternoon onwards.

You are all invited

Jono, Scott, Andrew, Alan (DM), Nigel, Wolf and anyone else whose names I havent mentioned.

BBQ for Jon's venison and nibble food will be laid on. Just bring booze. There is a couple of bunks available and I Have a large internal garage for those too pissed to travel.

Chris

[Wolf]

To all those members of the Onewhero Shooting Club.

On New Years Day it is my sons 20th birthday. His first in NZ

We are holding a party for him in the afternoon onwards.

You are all invited

Jono, Scott, Andrew, Alan (DM), Nigel, Wolf and anyone else whose names I havent mentioned.

BBQ for Jon's venison and nibble food will be laid on. Just bring booze. There is a couple of bunks available and I Have a large internal garage for those too pissed to travel.

Chris
Cheers for that, Chris, will aim to ensure I have the time off in order to attend - gutted that I haven't been able to catch up and join anyone for a shoot.

Will be odd visiting you without lugging a large collection of "hardware".