Sidecar Racing

[scrivy]

Relying on symantics and hoping I have a memory like your senile self's to back peddle aye.

Must have you worried.

Shakin in me boots....... :cold:

Or was that pissing??? Either way I'm getting nervous about you being on the track......:sweatdrop
Someone overheard you saying the Crosby line.... 'Which way does the track go, and whats the lap record......?'

Gunna end in tears.... probably for me by getting my ass kicked.......

[nodrog]

i knew a speedway sidecar guy - now dead - who at a big meeting at Nelson started waving with his left hand while crossing the line...Nelson is egg shaped and you don't approach the line straight...
After his third heat win I said to him the steward would be talking to him soon about the waving...

won the final and waved with both hands as he crossed the line - only just avoided the fence...

His swinger broke his nose for him and came close to putting him in hospital in the pits afterwards.....and never rode with him again.

Yeah I heard those speedway guys dont have a sense of humour.


A street race isn't really the place to be doing that shit

One of us is going to have to wave to my fan, best you ask Jo if you are allowed to bring your testicles.


I prefer tall blondes but if your still waiting after christmas i could come down and take a look at it, no garantees that it will go but i can make it look pretty with lots of different colours. But if it does go you have to buy the coke and real pies WITH CHEESE.

Sweet as dude, Ill see how i go when im on holiday. But if i do get you to give me a hand, I'll try and find my wallet.


....probably for me by getting my ass kicked.......

http://static.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/1347030988653_4916518.png

[Drew]

Shakin in me boots.......
Someone overheard you saying the Crosby line.... 'Which way does the track go, and whats the lap record......?'

Gunna end in tears.... probably for me by getting my ass kicked.......

Wouldn't be too concerned about that just yet, but I think we have enough mongrel to get our outfit at least as out of shape, as you old cunts do yours.

[Kickaha]

One of us is going to have to wave to my fan, best you ask Jo if you are allowed to bring your testicles.
I've already organised a photographer you can wave to her

[Fast Eddie]

We all think there a keeper in the beginning.
yes ^^


But you haven't, what you have is a shed load of chair parts.
hahahahahahaha

[Pumba]

Yeah it isn't worth what he's asking for it.......... .......

It has just been offered to watchers for $7,500

[Fast Eddie]

It has just been offered to watchers for $7,500

I was just coming on to mention that, I got a fixed price offer for 7.5k too, that was a quick drop.. lets see if it drops again (if no one buys it)

I have a buyer at 5k which he isn't interested in.. so we'll see how it goes! Guess he will be running the 272 Long Bike at nats then!

p.s. is the black mo built harris' first/only bike? - Kick, he may have to go on a new learning curve to ride a long bike

[Fast Eddie]

Im married to a sidecar racer & honestly, some days it would be nice to have a break from it.

from the racing or the marriage :D :D hahaha

[sidecar bob]

from the racing or the marriage :D :D hahaha

Na, not the missus, shes an honorary bloke that vacuums!! cant beat that!
When are you up our way?

[scrivy]

Na, not the missus, shes an honorary bloke that vacuums!! cant beat that!
When are you up our way?

I hope you're not implying that us honorary blokes give blowjobs....... Well, we know Kick does.....

[Kickaha]

p.s. is the black mo built harris' first/only bike? - Kick, he may have to go on a new learning curve to ride a long bike
Yes it is, he said he'll most likely ride the black bike at Nationals unless it sells

I hope you're not implying that us honorary blokes give blowjobs....... Well, we know Kick does.....
:yawn: fuck off knobhead

[Drew]

I hope you're not implying that us honorary blokes give blowjobs....... Well, we know Kick does.....What the hell do you mean, "us"? No one ever said you were a bloke, honorary or otherwise.

[bucket boy]

from the racing or the marriage :D :D hahaha

Im sure he would find heaps of takers if it was the marriage.

[Fast Eddie]

Na, not the missus, shes an honorary bloke that vacuums!! cant beat that!
When are you up our way?

chur! just arrived in TGA this evening :D meaan warm weather love it, ditched the clothes instantly but then Officer Robertson asked me to put em back on..

agip bike looks good to go, thanks again Nev! you can tell the bits you have touched cause they are bloody nice and tidy!!, thanks heaps mate. love it, feels tighter u can kick the tyres and things dont shae wobble n rattle anymore :D And thanks Steve (and gordy, trace, tina) for dragging the bike around too. We fired it up couple hours ago and went up and down street feels good. broken finger does not like clutch tho.. thinking about swapping hydraulic clutch line over to brake lever and flag the spare brake it has.
will this work or will a brake master cyl be different to a clutch master cyl? (could google but then yas have got nothin to do ;) ) will need a longer hydraulic clutch line tho as this one wouldn't reach


Yes it is, he said he'll most likely ride the black bike at Nationals unless it sells
true.. i have it on fairly reliable word that long bike cud b had fr cheap.. if i had 6-7k cash id make the offer lol.

havent seen it race in years so cant remember wat it goes like but i swung on it once at a hagd before colin took off overseas.. thought it was nicely built and tidy.

edit: better shout out to my old man who pulled my tacho and temp gauge apart and fixed em! churr, got a smooth workin clear reading rpm counter (it used to flicker up and down so much that all it really did was give u an estimated rpm within a range of 2,000 lol) and he just cut out sm old dodgy wiring and put new stuff in fr main power etc. churrr

[Kickaha]

broken finger does not like clutch tho.. thinking about swapping hydraulic clutch line over to brake lever and flag the spare brake it has.
will this work or will a brake master cyl be different to a clutch master cyl? (could google but then yas have got nothin to do ;) ) will need a longer hydraulic clutch line tho as this one wouldn't reach
Or as an alternative you could just harden the fuck up, you only need the clutch for the start and down changes anyway

i have it on fairly reliable word that long bike cud b had fr cheap..
Yeah right as if he'd sell anything cheap

[Kickaha]

You'd hear the classic sidecar guys squealing from here if one of these fronted up
http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/download/file.php?id=7449&mode=view

Re Krauser 500 two strokes Steve Webster costed one to build and here's what he said

I remember working it out in 1988, if you got everything new it would have cost £27,000 per engine, the krauser crankcase kits were £6500 each, Arco gearbox's £5000, ADM crankshafts £2300, you could have paid for a house

[Fast Eddie]

Or as an alternative you could just harden the fuck up, you only need the clutch for the start and down changes anyway

Yeah right as if he'd sell anything cheap

true about the hardening up, its not actually operating the clutch its the position of it on the handlebar.. stopping me from being able to change grip from holding clutch to holding handlebar only.

and yea harris will try make a profit im sure, but i think he may be under pressure to get rid of one bike asap... we all know what wives are like ;) :D so as they say.. cash talks.

the good news is he now has a real trailer so no more lifting shit for us! yaaay.

lovely weather in tga, so warm!

[Fast Eddie]

You'd hear the classic sidecar guys squealing from here if one of these fronted up
http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/download/file.php?id=7449&mode=view

Re Krauser 500 two strokes Steve Webster costed one to build and here's what he said
phew! house wouldnt be nearly as cool or fast tho


... and down changes anyway

not even that for me, i dont use the clutch at all durin race.. too lazy

[Drew]

not even that for me, i dont use the clutch at all durin race.. too lazyGuess what rough cunt aint getting a go on our chair. LOL

[Kickaha]

not even that for me, i dont use the clutch at all durin race.. too lazy
That was one thing I noticed watching the onboard from HD with Scurvy and sidecarblob was Scurvy used the clutch both ways through the gearbox

[Drew]

That was one thing I noticed watching the onboard from HD with Scurvy and sidecarblob was Scurvy used the clutch both ways through the gearbox

Forget not, that he was having extra trouble with teh shifts that weekend...Or so he said.

[Kickaha]

Books on sidecar racing

Sidecar Champions since 1923, Mick Walker
The Racers edge, Dave Molyneux
A bit on the side, Jan Havard/Steve Webster
Sidecar Championship, George O'Dell
Hold on, Stan Dibben

[nodrog]

Guess what rough cunt aint getting a go on our chair. LOL

you?


That was one thing I noticed watching the onboard from HD with Scurvy and sidecarblob was Scurvy used the clutch both ways through the gearbox

Darren Pate was the same with my new engine, such a thoughtful chap.


Books on sidecar racing

Sidecar Champions since 1923, Mick Walker
The Racers edge, Dave Molyneux
A bit on the side, Jan Havard/Steve Webster
Sidecar Championship, George O'Dell
Hold on, Stan Dibben

and this video http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112691/

[scrivy]

That was one thing I noticed watching the onboard from HD with Scurvy and sidecarblob was Scurvy used the clutch both ways through the gearbox

Only because I thought it might help with the gearchange issues. You can see a few times I go up the hill and don't use the clutch.
Usually only use the clutch into slower hairpin corners - stops the bike from getting outshape at slower speeds, otherwise I just use my foot to click up and down (with a blip going down).
Only wrecked about 3 gearboxes so far...... :facepalm::shit: (But they are just the selectors - piss weak).

I never used the clutch on the old ZX10 either. NEVER had a gearbox issue with that engine.:woohoo:

[Kickaha]

Some Euro nutters with cool road going sidecars, fuck knows how Scrivy and his goat made it in there

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvA_tWPMNlc
Top job taking the piss out of the solo riders

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptaviO_4fIE

[Kickaha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxfIsBv36YM

[Fast Eddie]

videos

+1 on vids.. cant give rep must give u too much

wangas aint far off..

..Hell Yea!!

[Fast Eddie]

Guess what rough cunt aint getting a go on our chair. LOL

haha all good :D once u finished it i wouldn't fit in it anyway ya midget.

i do however fit quite nicely in Annans LCR, and also can get in and snug in Waters Windle... so I'm ready to have a go on those.. hint hint


That was one thing I noticed watching the onboard from HD with Scurvy and sidecarblob was Scurvy used the clutch both ways through the gearbox

yea saw that too, made me sleepy thinking bout having to work so much. do they make auto transmissions fr sidecars?

[tail_end_charlie]

So if the swinger has to buy a case of piss if he falls off, does the rider have to buy a Super Liquor store when he falls off and the swinger stays on?

Cool vids too.

[Drew]

yea saw that too, made me sleepy thinking bout having to work so much. do they make auto transmissions fr sidecars?

Motoguzzi California II

Two stage auto, with a clutch of sorts for the hard launch.

[Drew]

So if the swinger has to buy a case of piss if he falls off, does the rider have to buy a Super Liquor store when he falls off and the swinger stays on?

Cool vids too.NO.

Repeat after me. IT IS ALWAYS THE SWINGERS FAULT!

[tail_end_charlie]

NO.

Repeat after me. IT IS ALWAYS THE SWINGERS FAULT!

Fuck that shit. If it had been me, I would have hoped onto the bike and kept it trolling along just fast enough so that the rider couldn't catch up. Make him run for a mile or so in full leathers just for falling off.

[Drew]

Fuck that shit. If it had been me, I would have hoped onto the bike and kept it trolling along just fast enough so that the rider couldn't catch up. Make him run for a mile or so in full leathers just for falling off.
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Turn one, lap one. Rider falls off, swinger grabs the bars and steers while the rider gets his arse back on and away they go.

[Kickaha]

do they make auto transmissions fr sidecars?
Snowmobile one should work, more like a CVT

So if the swinger has to buy a case of piss if he falls off, does the rider have to buy a Super Liquor store when he falls off and the swinger stays on?
.
Rider pays double

[scrivy]

Rider pays double

Perfected the headstand technique for Wangas? I feel thirsty......

[Kickaha]

Perfected the headstand technique for Wangas? I feel thirsty......

I've been practicing it over the front of the MTB

Rain forecast for Boxing day, yeah baby

[Fast Eddie]

can't seem to get any fluid out of front caliper ln agip bike.

reservoir is full but just cant get any fluid out of bleed nipple. pedal goes to the stop and nothing comes out, at first a little bit did but not enough to make it to end of bleed hose and into drainage container which has the end of the drain hose submersed in fresh fluid.

throw up some suggestions..

[nodrog]

can't seem to get any fluid out of front caliper ln agip bike.

reservoir is full but just cant get any fluid out of bleed nipple. pedal goes to the stop and nothing comes out, at first a little bit did but not enough to make it to end of bleed hose and into drainage container which has the end of the drain hose submersed in fresh fluid.

throw up some suggestions..

i suggest its blocked, take bleed nipple right off and see what happens.

[Drew]

Bleed the master cylinder ya rookie.

[Fast Eddie]

i suggest its blocked, take bleed nipple right off and see what happens.

it went in my eyes! arrrgg it burns

na no joy.. blaah.. scrutineers wnt mind if brakes dont work right?

[Fast Eddie]

Bleed the master cylinder ya rookie.

whats a master cylinder..

[Drew]

whats a master cylinder..

Ok, stop fuckin around.

Scrivy, is that you?

The bit that pumps fluid to the callipers. It Will have a bleed nipple of it's own. Do that first.

[Fast Eddie]

Ok, stop fuckin around.

Scrivy, is that you?

The bit that pumps fluid to the callipers. It Will have a bleed nipple of it's own. Do that first.

haha srry, wen i get stressed i start taking the piss.. yea we are fucking around with it hard. hours now and nothing. (edit: we started on master cyl then went to caliper now back trying master cyl, its not even drawing any fluid from the reservoir, i left cap off to see if it would spit some out but nup)

depress brake, open screw, close screw, release brake, depress brake open, close, release repeat like a hundy times.

mmm, next thing would be to take shit off so i can raise and lower it but thats a massive job looking at setup on agip bike really cant be fucked aye. fuck the brakes ill just run in classics and use gordy n kick as a brake.

anyway back to shed for another go, google didnt tell me anything i didnt know except if i had a syringe or vacuum bleeder my probs would b solved, sept i cant get my hands on those! fuckn cock tease google

[Drew]

A syringe will suffice then.

Sounds to me like the piston is not returning in the master cylinder.

[Fast Eddie]

A syringe will suffice then.

Sounds to me like the piston is not returning in the master cylinder.

everyone seems to have syringes except me.

i dont have a syringe..

[Fast Eddie]

Sounds to me like the piston is not returning in the master cylinder.

haha sheeeit then im fucked. but not in a good way like i was last night

[scrivy]

Scrivy, is that you?


Haha... that's what I was thinking too.....

[scrivy]

throw up some suggestions..

I'll help......... :no::rolleyes::shit:

[Drew]

haha sheeeit then im fucked. but not in a good way like i was last night

Not at all. A little tap on the master should free it up.

The pharmacy Will be open tomorrow. Get a syringe and sus it in the morning.

[scrivy]

The pharmacy Will be open tomorrow. Get a syringe and sus it in the morning.

You'll be surprised, but if you attach a bleed tube to the nipple, and suck hard with it slightly cracked, you'll do enough to break the master cylinder 'stick'. Done that before.

[scrivy]

haha sheeeit then im fucked. but not in a good way like i was last night

Since ya missus is still down south - was it by yourself or with the goat?

[Kickaha]

Since ya missus is still down south - was it by yourself or with the goat?

Did Kai steal Matts goat Barry or did he get a new one?

[scrivy]

Did Kai steal Matts goat Barry or did he get a new one?

I'm picking it was more by himself......
Watch out Kai, all that brake fluid on ya hands could cause ya some problems..................:eek:

[sidecar bob]

Kai, Make sure the master cylinder piston is returning right back to the circlip. If the piston dosent fully return, it does not open the resivoir port to the master cylnder & pretty much what is happening now happens.
Im not about at the mo, but if youre in the shit your dad may be able to raise Paul from Eurotechnic. I understand he occasionally works for beer.

[scrivy]

Im not about at the mo, but if youre in the shit your dad may be able to raise Paul from Eurotechnic. I understand he occasionally works for beer.

Excuse me Sidecar Bob, I know you're out of town at the moment, but I have this problem with my vehicle..... can you help me out.... What's this gunna cost me??

[Fast Eddie]

Not at all. A little tap on the master should free it up.

The pharmacy Will be open tomorrow. Get a syringe and sus it in the morning.
chur, drove round til found supermarket sellingbworm shit fr dogs in a syringe. back into it. busy all day tmoro, drive tga to rotorua to auck n back t tga with shit t do inbetween, then family xmas shit. tonights gonna b ling night


You'll be surprised, but if you attach a bleed tube to the nipple, and suck hard with it slightly cracked, you'll do enough to break the master cylinder 'stick'. Done that before. with my mouth? hydraulic fluid tastes like shit


Since ya missus is still down south - was it by yourself or with the goat? shes here bro..


Kai, Make sure the master cylinder piston is returning right back to the circlip. If the piston dosent fully return, it does not open the resivoir port to the master cylnder & pretty much what is happening now happens.
Im not about at the mo, but if youre in the shit your dad may be able to raise Paul from Eurotechnic. I understand he occasionally works for beer.

cheers bro! will be on it til we have t leave fr wangas, gotta say i dont really know what im looking for with piston circlip thing but yea ill go shine torch and see if i can see a circlip or something

[scrivy]

with my mouth? ... tastes like shit


Ya muppet.......... that's called a rimjob...............:bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh ::devil2::rolleyes:

[Fast Eddie]

Ya muppet.......... that's called a rimjob...............:bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh::bleh ::devil2::rolleyes:

haha..

banged shit with hammer, poked, prodded, used syringes and bottles to try force fluid through it tried bleeding again and again.

professional diagnosis. its fucked.

[Drew]

It's just a mongrel to do.

Syringe on the bleed nipple at calliper. Draw syringe out and crack the nipple loose. At the same time, have the misses push the brake pedal. It'll draw fluid through.

[Kickaha]

professional diagnosis. its fucked.
I think that's more likely the cunt working on it

In the interests of weight reduction and fitness I did another 16 km on the MTB tonight, tried to injure myself twice by crashing so I wouldn't have to race with Gordie but survived unscathed, I'll see how the 30km ride with Goober goes tomorrow that should give me double the chance

[Fast Eddie]

It'll draw fluid through.
I wish..


I think that's more likely the cunt working on it
yip!

[Kickaha]

used syringes
Only been in the North Island a few days and he's straight into a vein :no:
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Drugs+are+bad+mkay.+word+word+word+word+word_b90d1 5_3661895.jpg
No wonder he cant sort his brakes out

[Fast Eddie]

Only been in the North Island a few days and he's straight into a vein :no:
http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Drugs+are+bad+mkay.+word+word+word+word+word_b90d1 5_3661895.jpg
No wonder he cant sort his brakes out

had to use the hammer on the dealer, fuckn pricey goey up here.

someones written something here on my brakes.. i think i can just make it out.. h..a..r..r..i..s..w..a..s.. yea thats it "harris was here 2012"

[Fast Eddie]

It's just a mongrel to do.

Syringe on the bleed nipple at calliper. Draw syringe out and crack the nipple loose. At the same time, have the misses push the brake pedal. It'll draw fluid through.

also filled syringe with fluid, cracked nipple n tried to inject fluid through the lines, nup

[Kickaha]

also filled syringe with fluid, cracked nipple n tried to inject fluid through the lines, nup

I'd be looking at the master cylinder then because it sounds like it's not returning properly, did you have the top off the master cylinder when you tried it?

[Fast Eddie]

I'd be looking at the master cylinder then because it sounds like it's not returning properly, did you have the top off the master cylinder when you tried it?

both, tried with it off first

[Kickaha]

both, tried with it off first

Does the master cylinder have an adjustable bolt to stop the pedal coming back to far?

[Fast Eddie]

Does the master cylinder have an adjustable bolt to stop the pedal coming back to far?

doesnt look like it, pedal itself has a bumpstop to stop it coming back too far..

ella might do the auckland mission alone to pick up my family lol, so i can stay in tga and pull the brakes to bits.. this isnt going to end well i can feel it..

haha sleep time, iv allowed myself 6 hours sleep, more than enough to last a day or two

[Kickaha]

Disconnect the brake lever from the master cylinders and try it

[nodrog]

I think that's more likely the cunt working on it

In the interests of weight reduction and fitness I did another 16 km on the MTB tonight, tried to injure myself twice by crashing so I wouldn't have to race with Gordie but survived unscathed, I'll see how the 30km ride with Goober goes tomorrow that should give me double the chance

does it work yet?

[Fast Eddie]

Disconnect the brake lever from the master cylinders and try it

no resistance at all in master cyl i can just push the rod in and out, took brake hose and nipple out to check for blocks its all clean.. its got problems eh. taking master cyl out now

we are tryin every option, dads gone driving around town looking for mechanics or anyone that can help.

the trailer situation just took a downhill dive too. we are looking proper fucked.

[Fast Eddie]

does it work yet?

na bro :( its got problems, the threaded bit that goes into brake bias setup also fucked. as we dig a little deeper and pull it apart it looks dodgy, i wonder if the crash and impact that bent brake pedal and jammed brakes on transferred force thru linkage and buggered the master cyl too

[nodrog]

na bro :( its got problems, the threaded bit that goes into brake bias setup also fucked. as we dig a little deeper and pull it apart it looks dodgy, i wonder if the crash and impact that bent brake pedal and jammed brakes on transferred force thru linkage and buggered the master cyl too

whats your address again? We got to take our son the the doctor at 10.30am at bayfair, wil pop in if you dont have it sorted by then.

[Fast Eddie]

whats your address again? We got to take our son the the doctor at 10.30am at bayfair, wil pop in if you dont have it sorted by then.

2 piritaka mews, papamoa

022 029 6598

cheers bro!

[swarfie]

2 piritaka mews, papamoa

022 029 6598

cheers bro!


Everyone seems fixated on the master cylinder, have you had the caliper apart? I only put it back on after machining the disc carrier and disc so I may be barking up the wrong tree. Yup the crash might have damaged the piston in the master cylinder. It hasn't got drum brakes like my old tricycle so I'm a bit stuffed...only throwing in my useless two bobs worth...sorry. :weep:

[Fast Eddie]

progress update

master cyl on bench, piston inside siezed solid, trying to blow air through it to blow piston out and will go from there, it may be repairable. nothing is open tho hopefully a bike shop somewhere

also pinched a tinnny trailer of a local stranger... it'll have to do

more updates later

[Fast Eddie]

Everyone seems fixated on the master cylinder, have you had the caliper apart? I only put it back on after machining the disc carrier and disc so I may be barking up the wrong tree. Yup the crash might have damaged the piston in the master cylinder. It hasn't got drum brakes like my old tricycle so I'm a bit stuffed...only throwing in my useless two bobs worth...sorry. :weep:

good man, any two bobs is worth its weight in gold, got master cyl off and apart piston is siezed up. will take off caliper next.. its very rusty inside :S

ill be at wangas if i have t push the c*nt haha

[scrivy]

ill be at wangas if i have t push the c*nt haha

Get Kick to passenger for you - he'll push it for ya now he's fit..... :pinch:

Gordy will pop around to have a look. He's the stuff legends are made of.....
(Hang about - Nah, you're fucked!!) :yes:

[Kickaha]

master cyl on bench, piston inside siezed solid, trying to blow air through it to blow piston out and will go from there, it may be repairable. nothing is open tho hopefully a bike shop somewherer

I wouldn't have thought a bike shop wont be any good to you, some place like Repco should be open and more likely to have parts, although you should be able to clean up what you have

[scrivy]

I wouldn't have thought a bike shop wont be any good to you, some place like Repco should be open and more likely to have parts, although you should be able to clean up what you have

Depends - is it a foot operated master cylinder or a handlebar one? Repco or bike shop....

Fuck, a bit of wet/dry and heaps of rubber grease - you'll be right..... trust me, I know brakes inside and out..... :brick:

Or just sit Wangas out and use the rubber grease with ya missus...... :2thumbsup

[scrivy]

Kai, the bias thing you mention, can you disconnect the front master cylinder and run only the rear/side off the pedal? Do you have a seperate master cylinder on the handlebar? If so, don't worry about the front pedal master cylinder. You may still have two independent systems???....

[Kickaha]

He has it all sorted, master cylinder was siezed

I was reading today that F1 sidecars were banned from the isle of Man TT when they were averaging around 108mph lap but now the top F2 bikes are doing about 116mph average

[nodrog]

Fuck knows what was wrong with it, when I got there there was a pile of bits in a plastic bag. So I just cleaned some shit and put it back together.

[jellywrestler]

He has it all sorted, master cylinder was siezed

I was reading today that F1 sidecars were banned from the isle of Man TT when they were averaging around 108mph lap but now the top F2 bikes are doing about 116mph average

that might be the case but what were the solos doing at the time of the ban in terms of times?

[scrivy]

I was reading today that F1 sidecars were banned from the isle of Man TT when they were averaging around 108mph lap but now the top F2 bikes are doing about 116mph average

Is that because of rodends etc? on bumpy tracks?

[Kickaha]

Is that because of rodends etc? on bumpy tracks?

No idea it didn't elaborate on it, rules changed in 1990 they probably still had short F1 at that stage even though Worlds were long bikes

I might have to find some footage

edit: cant find any footage but going by the winners names and bikes I'd say they were Shortys, with F2 being won by 350 two strokes

[Fast Eddie]

chur, all sorted! whipped the master cyl off and found piston was siezed at the end of its travel, and was dry, not much fluid in it. lots of dirt and debris. emptied out the brake system etc. Gordy popped round and helped put it all back together and bled system. He had a proper syringe, last night I ended up buying dog worming shit so I could empty it to have a syringe.

anyway, shes all sorted now, brakes are back and bike is back together ready to load up. Trailer is a bit small but meh, it was very short notice to find one and im a tight cunt so cant afford to hire one haha.

pics of agip bike as it sits in the shed waiting eagerly to tear through wanganui!

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[Kickaha]

chur, all sorted! whipped the master cyl off and found piston was siezed at the end of its travel, and was dry, not much fluid in it. lots of dirt and debris. emptied out the brake system etc.

This was off the foot brake? Did you do the other one as well?

[nodrog]

chur, all sorted! whipped the master cyl off and found piston was siezed at the end of its travel, and was dry, not much fluid in it. lots of dirt and debris. emptied out the brake system etc. Gordy popped round and helped put it all back together and bled system. He had a proper syringe, last night I ended up buying dog worming shit so I could empty it to have a syringe.

anyway, shes all sorted now, brakes are back and bike is back together ready to load up. Trailer is a bit small but meh, it was very short notice to find one and im a tight cunt so cant afford to hire one haha.

pics of agip bike as it sits in the shed waiting eagerly to tear through wanganui!

275067275068275064275065275066

glad i could help.

[Kickaha]

glad i could help.

What sexual favours did that cost him?

[jellywrestler]

Is that because of rodends etc? on bumpy tracks?

not at all they still had F1 short bikes there was a blanket ban on F1

[Pumba]

Kai I didn't offer earlier as I thought you had it sorted by I am sitting over the other side of the Kaimai's in Morrinsville at the olds place. About a 40min to an hour from where you are.

I know Dad has a nice big tandem axle here, only got here at about 10pm and he is not home so not sure if it has any crap on it, but I can ask if it would make life easier.

[Fast Eddie]

This was off the foot brake? Did you do the other one as well?
yea foot brake, na only did the one that was causin probs.. i know i shoulda done both.. fuck it.. may be sorry later


Kai I didn't offer earlier as I thought you had it sorted by I am sitting over the other side of the Kaimai's in Morrinsville at the olds place. About a 40min to an hour from where you are.

I know Dad has a nice big tandem axle here, only got here at about 10pm and he is not home so not sure if it has any crap on it, but I can ask if it would make life easier.

cheers bro, ill see how we get on with loading the tiny trailer we got tmoro morn if we cant do it i may call/txt u? pm me ur num if ur keen haha.. trailer i got is too small with no wof and no lights :S

[Corse1]

yea foot brake, na only did the one that was causin probs.. i know i shoulda done both.. fuck it.. may be sorry later



cheers bro, ill see how we get on with loading the tiny trailer we got tmoro morn if we cant do it i may call/txt u? pm me ur num if ur keen haha.. trailer i got is too small with no wof and no lights :S

Sorry about the 50mm hitch on the trailer. Found another two tow balls last night. Both 1&7/8 doh! Glad you have the brakes sorted. See you down there. Sidecar looks good too.

[Pumba]

....cheers bro, ill see how we get on with loading the tiny trailer we got tmoro morn if we cant do it i may call/txt u? pm me ur num if ur keen haha.. trailer i got is too small with no wof and no lights :S

PM Sent, 10chchchc

[Fast Eddie]

Sorry about the 50mm hitch on the trailer. Found another two tow balls last night. Both 1&7/8 doh! Glad you have the brakes sorted. See you down there. Sidecar looks good too. nah not ur fault mate! we managed t get another trailer but too small. trying for lucky number 3 now :D


PM Sent, 10chchchc

cheers :D

[Drew]

At this rate, with the amount of protein you are gonna need to be swallowing, you're gonna get fucken GOUT!

All for teh sake of two race meetings...

That's dedication!

[scrivy]

At this rate, with the amount of protein you are gonna need to be swallowing, you're gonna get fucken GOUT!

All for teh sake of two race meetings...

That's dedication!
He's already had enuf protein from gordies love stix for helping him do his brakes....

[Drew]

Sooo, Scrivy and Sidecarbob need to borrow a chair for the nats? We have one what needs a little bit of work.

[Souther flags]

How are they and what happened?

[Kornholio]

How are they and what happened?

There was a disturbance in the force....

[wildman]

Books on sidecar racing

Sidecar Champions since 1923, Mick Walker
The Racers edge, Dave Molyneux
A bit on the side, Jan Havard/Steve Webster
Sidecar Championship, George O'Dell
Hold on, Stan Dibben

cool books got them all, guy from England joined my church a couple of years back and quizzed him cause his last name is Webster. Turns out his dad is Steve Websters cousin and they use to travel around watching Webster race. Trying to get him to invite Steve Webster out here for a holiday, who knows it may work.

[scrivy]

Sooo, Scrivy and Sidecarbob need to borrow a chair for the nats? We have one what needs a little bit of work.

Nah, its repairable.............................. with abut 300 hours work...... It's pretty much toast from the left side, underbelly 2 inch tube snapped in half too!
Haven't had a real good gander, but there's alot of damage everywhere. It took a hard knock, so I'm picking the inertia of the engine going sideways would have bent stuff there too.....
Bummer..........
Body is reaaaaaallllll sore today. Kai, where's ya drugs dude?????
Brakes got better as they beded in, but gearchange was still not right..... story of my life......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1Qv9wdfMfA

[Tony.OK]

Nah, its repairable.............................. with abut 300 hours work...... It's pretty much toast from the left side, underbelly 2 inch tube snapped in half too!
Haven't had a real good gander, but there's alot of damage everywhere. It took a hard knock, so I'm picking the inertia of the engine going sideways would have bent stuff there too.....
Bummer..........
Body is reaaaaaallllll sore today. Kai, where's ya drugs dude?????
Brakes got better as they beded in, but gearchange was still not right..... story of my life......



Buggar fella..............saw it online and wondered what was going on. Thought I heard someones swinger fell off?

[scrivy]

Buggar fella..............saw it online and wondered what was going on. Thought I heard someones swinger fell off?

Nah, Sidecar Bob didn't fall off - he bailed before he too ended up headbutting the 20 foot containers at the end of the run-off area at turn one. He was hangin on for dear life before he made a smart judgement call to preserve himself.

[Tony.OK]

Nah, Sidecar Bob didn't fall off - he bailed before he too ended up headbutting the 20 foot containers at the end of the run-off area at turn one. He was hangin on for dear life before he made a smart judgement call to preserve himself.

Good choice then, glad no one was seriously hurt dude :crazy:

[scrivy]

Good choice then, glad no one was seriously hurt dude :crazy:

Tell me about it.......:sweatdrop

[Ocean1]

Good to see you both walk away, didn't look good mate.

Did you lose all the brakes?

[scrivy]

Good to see you both walk away, didn't look good mate.

Did you lose all the brakes?

Yip. The rear brake torque arm tube snapped in half, and the rear caliper then spun on the disc, and ripped the brake line off the rear caliper. This in turn rendered the side/rear shared master cylinder useless. As the front and rear master cylinders share the same foot pedal, when the pedal went right back, the front was rendered useless, as the pedal travel went to full extension, and the brake bias box just hinged on the inoperable rear/side master cylinder plunger.

Stink! I was pumping the brakes furiously all the time, as well as going down the gearbox, but with such a high gear ratio on the Busa, you're still going really quick in 1st.......

I tried to spin it left to no avail, so then decided to spin it right, thinking that hitting the containers with the side wheel would be safer than going straight in!

Funny thing was, I thought about brake failure there in practice, and thought 'Feck - wouldn't want to fail there - huge containers to hit with no haybales!'
Imagine if Nick Cole & co. had a brake failure into there at a far higher speed....... :eek5::crazy:

[Ocean1]

Makes sense. Happened right in front of me, you'd just got off the gas and changed down, I remember thinking "he orta have changed down again by now, shirley". Then heads came up and there was a bunch of activity, then some swerving and then the crunch. I thought you'd scrubbed off more than you had, from back up the straight you couldn't tell how fast you were going until you hit.

Hope it all straightens out OK.

[Kornholio]

Wicked... even I was stomping the imaginary brake pedal on the carpet just watchin it... Good you guys are alright... Sooo does Bob still owe a box? :p

[scrivy]

Wicked... even I was stomping the imaginary brake pedal on the carpet just watchin it... Good you guys are alright... Sooo does Bob still owe a box? :p

Hell yeah....... :2thumbsup A bail out is still a shout.....
Actually, I reckon I could have saved it if he was still on it...... :pinch:

Always blame the passenger.................................

[ellipsis]

...i watched the whole day on ctas/live timing...real cool...the sidecars were fucking fantastic and as I tell everyone...it's only 3/4s of a meeting without you sidecar nuts...

[Drew]

Hell yeah....... :2thumbsup A bail out is still a shout.....
Actually, I reckon I could have saved it if he was still on it...... :pinch:

Always blame the passenger.................................That's clearly Bob's fault. Where you pitch left to get it sliding and the chair lifts, (away from his side I might add, to protect his arse from teh container), it's too late to go the other way.


You still owe piss too I reckon. You landed on top of the outfit after ya came to a stop, but not through any of yer own skill. Bouncing off a steel wall, and landing back in the chair, is still parting company mutha fucka.

[Kickaha]

Nah, Sidecar Bob didn't fall off - he bailed before he too ended up headbutting the 20 foot containers at the end of the run-off area at turn one. He was hangin on for dear life before he made a smart judgement call to preserve himself.

Scrivy owes piss because he got a ambulance ride regardless of whether he came off the bike or not

I think Gordy molested me in my sleep because I'm quite stiff and sore today

[scrivy]

You still owe piss too I reckon. You landed on top of the outfit after ya came to a stop, but not through any of yer own skill. Bouncing off a steel wall, and landing back in the chair, is still parting company mutha fucka.

Yeah, nah.....
I was still holding onto the handlebars in the video at the very end, so technichaly I didn't let go........
From the angle I could see after the crash, I think I was still touching the machine with my right foot.......
errrr.... the angle was upside down, head on ground and legs up the container........ with fuel around me......

Hmmmmmm.... OK, I was starting to pack my undies a bit.....

[Kickaha]

I have always been told there's a beer fine for an ambulance ride so it shouldn't matter if you didn't loose contact with the bike

Anyway hows the leg? (that's just to provide the illusion that I care)

[scrivy]

Scrivy owes piss because he got a ambulance ride regardless of whether he came off the bike or not
But I asked for the ambulance ride - I wanted to do the royal wave to spectators.

I think Gordy molested me in my sleep because I'm quite stiff and sore today

No wonder why Tina looked depressed and frustrated......

[nodrog]

Nah, its repairable.............................. with abut 300 hours work...... It's pretty much toast from the left side, underbelly 2 inch tube snapped in half too!
Haven't had a real good gander, but there's alot of damage everywhere. It took a hard knock, so I'm picking the inertia of the engine going sideways would have bent stuff there too.....
Bummer..........
Body is reaaaaaallllll sore today. Kai, where's ya drugs dude?????
Brakes got better as they beded in, but gearchange was still not right..... story of my life......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1Qv9wdfMfA

the best bit about that video is seeing myself waving in the s's.

next time you crash, can you do it closer to where your chums are so we dont have to wait to see if ewes are ok?

[nodrog]

.... I'm quite stiff ....

I have that effect.

[scrivy]

I have always been told there's a beer fine for an ambulance ride so shouldn't matter if you didn't loose contact with the bike
Nah, you're full of shit....... making the rules up as you go.......

Anyway hows the leg? (that's just to provide the illusion that I care)

If you were here, I'd kick your arse............. That's just to prove it still could.

[Kickaha]

I have that effect.

Well you're a fucking handsome man :sick:

[scrivy]

Well you're a fucking handsome man

Ya foof!!!!

[scrivy]

That's clearly Bob's fault. Where you pitch left to get it sliding and the chair lifts, (away from his side I might add, to protect his arse from teh container), it's too late to go the other way.
You saw that too?! Absolutely his fault............

Bouncing off a steel wall, and landing back in the chair.....
Bet ya can't wait to get out there and give it a try first hand......:2thumbsup

Oh Drew, thanks for being me pit bitch/fluffer on the day....... brought me stress levels down a bit.....

[scrivy]

Geezuz H feckin christ....... can we stop posting in 4 feckin threads at once - it's doing my head in!!!!!
:wacko::brick:
Heres another short bike at Wanganui - Pate and Krackers.

http://youtu.be/Tc94sZxfkyA

[Kickaha]

Heres another short bike at Wanganui - Pate and Krackers.
He needs to get Krackers to wipe that lense every couple of corners

[scrivy]

He needs to get Krackers to wipe that lense every couple of corners

Haha... Bob adjusts ours as we're racing....

[nodrog]

Heres another short bike at Wanganui - Pate and Krackers.


their race was abit short


Geezuz H feckin christ....... can we stop posting in 4 feckin threads at once - it's doing my head in!!!!!
:wacko::brick:

yes dear


Anyone know when it will be on TV so I can admire how awesome I was

We made it into the wanganui paper (well I did, fuck knows how they managed to hide you).

http://www.wanganuichronicle.co.nz/photos/boxing-day-bikeswanagnui-cemetery-circuit/17345/#/0

[scrivy]

We made it into the wanganui paper (well I did, fuck knows how they managed to hide you).



You getting lapped Gordy?

[nodrog]

You getting lapped Gordy?

Yeah for the ninth time. but hey, to finish first, first you have to finish.

[Kickaha]

You getting lapped Gordy?

How many races did you finish and where did you get overall for the day?

[nodrog]

How many races did you finish and where did you get overall for the day?

http://csimg.pricesavvy.co.uk/srv/GB/29032879gwf04/T/340x340/C/FFFFFF/url/giselle-the-giraffe.jpg

[Kickaha]

http://csimg.pricesavvy.co.uk/srv/GB/29032879gwf04/T/340x340/C/FFFFFF/url/giselle-the-giraffe.jpg

munter, do it properly
http://csimg.pricesavvy.co.uk/srv/GB/29032879gwf04/T/340x340/C/FFFFFF/url/giselle-the-giraffe.jpg

[sidecar bob]

Phew, back home in one piece with two straight sidecars & a straight solo at least.
Im happy to shout the piss, better that than a smashed skull I guess.
Its rather a shame that there wasnt just one airbag or haybale to ram into, that would have been damn near enough to sort the problem out. As it stands, its more of an alternative crash site than an escape road.
These two crashes were separated by 25 years to the day.
The first one caused by excessive retardation, the second by insufficient retardation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL6Q9e0HcRs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1Qv9wdfMfA

Poor old Scrivy is still coming off second best all these years later.

[jellywrestler]

I have always been told there's a beer fine for an ambulance ride so it shouldn't matter if you didn't loose contact with the bike

Never heard that in all my years around Sidecars, did you get a whack on the head Kick?

[sidecar bob]

Never heard that in all my years around Sidecars, did you get a whack on the head Kick?

Someone once told me many years ago, in fact 25 years ago that an ambulance ride was a keg.
I see now that those old bastards were trying to do a couple of gullible young blokes out of a barrell of piss.
Funny thing was, when Scrivy crashed on the bridge, he was still three years off being able to buy piss legally (it was20 then) that never stopped him lining the entire inside of his sleepout walls with empty piss bottles from floor to ceiling.

[Kickaha]

Never heard that in all my years around Sidecars, did you get a whack on the head Kick?
Got told that over 10 years ago, 1 slab for a swinger, 2 for a rider, ambulance ride a keg

Someone once told me many years ago, in fact 25 years ago that an ambulance ride was a keg.
Right, so Scrivy owes a keg then

[sidecar bob]

Got told that over 10 years ago, 1 slab for a swinger, 2 for a rider, ambulance ride a keg

Right, so Scrivy owes a keg then

Who made these fuckin rules anyway? Im shouting chamomile tea, wholmeal scones & fairy cakes.
Id not like to bee seen promoting irresponsible use of alcohol.

[Grumph]

Who made these fuckin rules anyway? Im shouting chamomile tea, wholmeal scones & fairy cakes.
Id not like to bee seen promoting irresponsible use of alcohol.

Given the existing tone of this thread, that gets my nomination for the funniest thing posted yet.....

Looking at some of the posts in the last couple of days, especially kicks's one about someone being a good looking guy....I'm going to have to be careful approaching him at Ruapuna today....you bastards have turned him....

[Drew]

Bet ya can't wait to get out there and give it a try first hand......:2thumbsupOh fuck yeah. I wanna try and take out a camera man first though.


Oh Drew, thanks for being me pit bitch/fluffer on the day....... brought me stress levels down a bit.....No trouble mate. Watching you try and drill a hole in your hand when the bit snapped, was motivation enough to do what I could.

In all the work you do, don't forget that gear linkage needs replaced/re tapped. And that the clutch needs to come off to have look at that selector ratchet.

As you were.

[Drew]

.you bastards have turned him....What ever! He's the one running around the pits in his undies after a race, asking who wants the first reach around.

[Drew]

Who made these fuckin rules anyway? Im shouting chamomile tea, wholmeal scones & fairy cakes.
Id not like to bee seen promoting irresponsible use of alcohol.
My uncle has a theory about that, sort of.

Reckons that if he doesn't drink as much piss as he can, someone else might drink it. Then they might get crook! He doesn't want anything like that on his conscience by God.

[Kickaha]

My best side
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/581431_10151298293573186_914184974_n.jpg

[sidecar bob]

Id just like to thank Grumph for all the fantastic engine set up advice on Jay's GSX1100.
Thanks for explaining exactly how to get the best out of the parts we had.
The results were there for all to see.

[scrivy]

My best side


Shit, there's containers infront of you guys there too..... :no:

[nodrog]

Who made these fuckin rules anyway? Im shouting chamomile tea, wholmeal scones & fairy cakes.
Id not like to bee seen promoting irresponsible use of alcohol.

Fuck sounds you you want a stabbing too!


Given the existing tone of this thread, that gets my nomination for the funniest thing posted yet.........

its even funnier when its not a joke, thats what we were shouted on the last day of work :facepalm:


My best side
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/581431_10151298293573186_914184974_n.jpg

fuck I need new boots.


Shit, there's containers infront of you guys there too..... :no:

I was just dropping kick down at the wharf.

[sidecar bob]

its even funnier when its not a joke, thats what we were shouted on the last day of work :facepalm:



Thats where I got the idea! Any vacancies at your work? I was so jealous when you TXT me that last Thursday.

[Grumph]

Id just like to thank Grumph for all the fantastic set up advice on Jay's GSX1100.
Thanks for explaining exactly how to get the best out of the parts we had.
The results were there for all to see.

While I'm always happy to accept a compliment - deserved or not.....where the fuck are the results ?
Speaking of course as an old cunt on dialup who can't find anything on this webthingy.....

[sidecar bob]

While I'm always happy to accept a compliment - deserved or not.....where the fuck are the results ?
Speaking of course as an old cunt on dialup who can't find anything on this webthingy.....

Ok, just for you. In a combined pre '89 pre '82 class, Jay qualified on pole with nearly two seconds up his sleeve.
He got second in the first race due to front brake fade. After this was addressed, he absolutely smoked the entire field & finished with a comfortable lead.
Im sure he will be along sometime with a round up of his day.

[Grumph]

Ok, just for you. In a combined pre '89 pre '82 class, Jay qualified on pole with nearly two seconds up his sleeve.
He got second in the first race due to front brake fade. After this was addressed, he absolutely smoked the entire field & finished with a comfortable lead.
Im sure he will be along sometime with a round up of his day.

Fair enough results....we might yet get to HD next year if the winds are fair....and the GS1000 survives Nelson next week....

[Kickaha]

as I tell everyone...it's only 3/4s of a meeting without you sidecar nuts...
Of course it is, everyone loves us because it gives the solo bike riding poofters someone to blame for their oil drops

.I'm going to have to be careful approaching him at Ruapuna today
What's on at Ruapuna today?

[Drew]

Shit, there's containers infront of you guys there too..... :no:That's coming up to the intersection at the top of the cemetery isn't it?

[Kickaha]

http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/68663_10151298293723186_932742451_n.jpg http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/734872_10151298292948186_1642234350_n.jpg http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/553511_10151298293028186_1384040199_n.jpg http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407532_10151298293413186_1725878554_n.jpg

[Kornholio]

I hope you didn't fart too much Gordie :/
http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/407532_10151298293413186_1725878554_n.jpg

[Fast Eddie]

At this rate, with the amount of protein you are gonna need to be swallowing, you're gonna get fucken GOUT!

All for teh sake of two race meetings...

That's dedication!

haha chur.. happily do it all again to get to paeroa. nats are starting to look fuckn pricey.. but will try. my bank bal has reached zero :( so f*ckn worth it tho! lol still grinning. wished id pushed a bit harder to get closer to 1 min lap times.. but broken finger, vagina, arm pump and paranoia about crashing slowed me down. swinger was mint tho! and had truckloads of fun, first time at a street race churrrr


He's already had enuf protein from gordies love stix for helping him do his brakes.... nom nom, cheers again gordy


Sooo, Scrivy and Sidecarbob need to borrow a chair for the nats? We have one what needs a little bit of work. harris has a spare bike we could hassle him fr sth island rounds and scrivy is welcome to agip bike fr north island rounds.. i prob cnt afford em. he is welcome to put busa motor in it ;) or wat bout lawrances spare short bike..


Trying to get him to invite Steve Webster out here for a holiday, who knows it may work.
keep trying!


Body is reaaaaaallllll sore today. Kai, where's ya drugs at..
haha, gave u all i had fr me finger :D go grab sm codeine and panadol stuff n mix them, found it wrks good but u get sleepy.


...i watched the whole day on ctas/live timing...real cool...the sidecars were fucking fantastic and as I tell everyone...it's only 3/4s of a meeting without you sidecar nuts... chur! we love the spectators too




next time you crash, can you do it closer to where your chums are so we dont have to wait to see if ewes are ok? I recon!!



Got told that over 10 years ago, 1 slab for a swinger, 2 for a rider, ambulance ride a keg

Right, so Scrivy owes a keg then thought it was keg for heli ride. ambo one is a bit unfair as they force u to hop in even if u dnt want to

lol bout 25 years since fence crash.. now container crash. sheeet, why dont they put hay or padding infront of shipping containers? not rocket science lol

[Fast Eddie]

Geezuz H feckin christ....... can we stop posting in 4 feckin threads at once - it's doing my head in!!!!!


i recon, the other one is a build thread but feck all building going on, just like my trailer and aprilia thread

[Drew]

i recon, the other one is a build thread but feck all building going on, just like my trailer and aprilia threadI been fuckin busy.

Our chair will be ready before your bloody trailer though!

Although, we have a trailer to build also.

[Kickaha]

why dont they put hay or padding infront of shipping containers? not rocket science lol
I doubt they considered total brake failure, more like someone fucking up the corner and needing some room to be able to stop

[jellywrestler]

sheeet, why dont they put hay or padding infront of shipping containers? not rocket science lol The Cemetery Circuit has spent nearly 150K on airbags so far and look how far they cover, covering every square inch of the circuit while techically possible is in reality an impossibility.
Total brake failure too is nearly impossible and only ever happened before on a riderless bike (remember all bikes on the track have two separate brake systems, in case there's catastrophic failure of one....)
Street racing has risks, take Westie's famous right turn at Paeroa, and indeed Floodies right turn at the front straight at Wanganui, both into bare fences.... and both due to catastrophic machine failures.

[scrivy]

Total brake failure too is nearly impossible and only ever happened before on a riderless bike (remember all bikes on the track have two separate brake systems, in case there's catastrophic failure of one....)

What about Stroudies brake failure at Ruapuna going bush at over 180kms!
How much faster than a sidecar would an F1 be doing down the front straight?

Don't wanna bitch, but I thought any obstacle should be protected by a bale or bag?
If I hadn't had missed a gear down front straight, and had been a gear lower for better drive over the bridge, I would have been going a lot faster, and hit so much harder. I sure as shit wouldn't be here now.

[jellywrestler]

What about Stroudies brake failure at Ruapuna going bush at over 180kms!

wasn't total Scrivy, he still had a rear one...
Heppo lost his front brakes at gizzy, still had the rear but jumped as it wasn't enough and there was a truck in the way, i remember the next year a family sitting with their legs in the gutter covering the gouge marks on the road/kerb, Gizzy race commitee thought once a place had had one crash there wouldn't be another as there were also people sitting on the verandah that McEwen and Rees had taken down the year before too

[scrivy]

The Cemetery Circuit has spent nearly 150K on airbags so far and look how far they cover, covering every square inch of the circuit while techically possible is in reality an impossibility.


Using containers to stop people coming in is one thing though, using them at the end of an escape road without even a single bale infront??
How does the safety factor get assessed? What if next year the containers were moved 50 metres further forward? Who assess the risk?
Not bitching, just asking so it doesn't happen to some other poor bastard. I'm hard - I bounced off the container.....

[scrivy]

wasn't total Scrivy, he still had a rear one...


Enough to stop him at 180kms before he hit the containers??? I seriously doubt it! The TV footage showed a fecking long distance travelled.

[jellywrestler]

How does the safety factor get assessed? What if next year the containers were moved 50 metres further forward? Who assess the risk?

simple, by every single competitor there having access to the riders rep to discuss ANY concerns about among other things like track safety, I'm sure though Scrivy the Wanganui folk will be a taking a good hard look at this for future years, hey we've got you to thank for Kill Switches on Sidecars haven't we!

dunno how many people noticed the new curb protection system? after Bugden hit the curb that had been exposed when an earlier (in the same crash) rider had hit and removed the plastic piping that was laid in the gutter they now have small ramps that will deflect anything from hitting the curb and sent them into the softer protection.

[jellywrestler]

Enough to stop him at 180kms before he hit the containers??? I seriously doubt it! The TV footage showed a fecking long distance travelled. he rode that one out on the grass that time.

[scrivy]

simple, by every single competitor there having access to the riders rep to discuss ANY concerns about among other things like track safety, I'm sure though Scrivy the Wanganui folk will be a taking a good hard look at this for future years, hey we've got you to thank for Kill Switches on Sidecars haven't we!

Yes we do Spyda - well lanyards anyway. Even though they were already compulsory in other countries.....

I hope there is a total rulebook re-write about sidecar brake systems.
I've always thought it absolutely absurd to rely on 1 pedal (even with two master cylinders in use) to be sufficient for total braking.
Just 'cause long bikes came into NZ like that, didn't mean it was right to change the rulebook from what we had - two independent systems.
Chris Lawrance and Darren Pate had brake fade - with Chris hitting a marshall on the escape road! Would that have happened if a separate independent system was in place? No.
This should be a wake up call to all teams.
Also, as people change their rod ends periodically, so too should they change their brake torque arms. Look at Ash's crash at Taupo.... With rigs changing hands, and imported bikes around, we simply just don't know how old some of this stuff is. Even brake lines - How many people know how old their fittings are? Will they always be reliable?

I don't know if you remember Spyda where I was on the dummy grid of that first race? Right at the back. Reason being, if an F1 bike failed to take the first ess down Taupo Quay (at what speed? 190km?), then where are they gunna go? Straight into the bikes waiting to go out!

[Grumph]

If it was a meeting just for solos - and restricted to the size and speed the circuit was originally used for, she'd be sweet...

But with modern solos and sidecars in the equation, you're starting to see why the car authorities won't approve street circuits now.

Given the mass and acceleration of the big stuff now you have to firstly look at containment - IE, keeping them away from spectators.
Kill or injure another spectator and street circuits are over....history.

Competitor safety....well we all know the risks and sign on as having accepted them. That said, yes a few more bales wouldn't hurt.

Glad you guys are OK...

[Fast Eddie]

i still run a second hand brake.. fluid is always boiled over wen i want to use it.. should look at that sometime..

[Fast Eddie]

The Cemetery Circuit has spent nearly 150K on airbags so far and look how far they cover, covering every square inch of the circuit while techically possible is in reality an impossibility.
Total brake failure too is nearly impossible and only ever happened before on a riderless bike (remember all bikes on the track have two separate brake systems, in case there's catastrophic failure of one....)
Street racing has risks, take Westie's famous right turn at Paeroa, and indeed Floodies right turn at the front straight at Wanganui, both into bare fences.... and both due to catastrophic machine failures.

true true, i really enjoyed wangas and thought it was well done. loved my first taste of street racing. itching fr next one!

[scrivy]

i still run a second hand brake.. fluid is always boiled over wen i want to use it.. should look at that sometime..

Definitely! We don't want another injury.

[Drew]

true true, i really enjoyed wangas and thought it was well done. loved my first taste of street racing. itching fr next one!


Definitely! We don't want another injury.
I'm amused that you think a tiny little font brake master cylinder off a bike, will work a calliper big enough to fit on the disk the front of a chair.

If you insist on two braking systems, (which cars don't have by the way, racing cannot be made completely safe after all), they should both be capable of actually stopping the thing.

[sidecar bob]

I'm amused that you think a tiny little font brake master cylinder off a bike, will work a calliper big enough to fit on the disk the front of a chair.

If you insist on two braking systems, (which cars don't have by the way, racing cannot be made completely safe after all), they should both be capable of actually stopping the thing.

No, thats right, cars have three braking systems, a tandem master cylnder, plus a handbrake.
Thats why you have to cut a front & a rear brake hose, plus the handbrake cable on a car if you want to fuck your ex up.
The auxilary brake is usually a single piston bike caliper, often with a spacer in it to accomodate the vented disc,
operated by a common garden variety bike master cylnder, quite effective & been around for years.

[Fast Eddie]

I'm amused that you think a tiny little font brake master cylinder off a bike, will work a calliper big enough to fit on the disk the front of a chair.

its a fancy AP master cyl running a JZ caliper and it seems works ok when cold, it can lock front wheel. however after a race or few laps the fluid must boil as it just goes to the end of its travel.. gotta pump it up before u get the brake back - not really gonna wok in an emergency ill look at it one day.. doesnt help the brake lines are routed over the headers lol.

and nah im not racing for safety sake.. i wanna do the iom one day after all lol.. loooove it.

but u can always try minimise the risk a wee bit

[Kickaha]

I hope there is a total rulebook re-write about sidecar brake systems.
I've always thought it absolutely absurd to rely on 1 pedal (even with two master cylinders in use) to be sufficient for total braking.
Just 'cause long bikes came into NZ like that, didn't mean it was right to change the rulebook from what we had - two independent systems.
Don't rely on someone else to do it, nothing stopping you putting a remit in through whatever club you belong to

Chris Lawrance and Darren Pate had brake fade - with Chris hitting a marshall on the escape road! Would that have happened if a separate independent system was in place? It wouldn't happen if proper pads for the temp they're reaching were used either and fluid was changed on a regular basis

i still run a second hand brake.. fluid is always boiled over wen i want to use it.. should look at that sometime..
Once the fluid boils it is pretty close to useless and needs to be changed, if it is always boiling then something in the system needs to be changed

I'm amused that you think a tiny little font brake master cylinder off a bike, will work a calliper big enough to fit on the disk the front of a chair.
They will quite easily if you match up the right componentry, first chair I raced on had a 4pot JFZ worked by a motorcycle master cylinder on the front and worked just fine because we used the right pad compound and m/c diameter

its a fancy AP master cyl running a JZ caliper and it seems works ok when cold, it can lock front wheel. however after a race or few laps the fluid must boil as it just goes to the end of its travel.. gotta pump it up before u get the brake back - not really gonna wok in an emergency ill look at it one day.. doesnt help the brake lines are routed over the headers lol.
Dont fuck about, fix it or the one day you need it might see you and your passenger into a wall somewhere

[Drew]

No, thats right, cars have three braking systems, a tandem master cylnder, plus a handbrake.
Thats why you have to cut a front & a rear brake hose, plus the handbrake cable on a car if you want to fuck your ex up.
The auxilary brake is usually a single piston bike caliper, often with a spacer in it to accomodate the vented disc,
operated by a common garden variety bike master cylnder, quite effective & been around for years.

Both outfits I've worked on had a stupid big calliper and a tiny bike master.

God I love being wrong.

I do have to ask though, if you think they should be there, why didn't you have one the other day?

I have taken it off both ours, and Leanne's while I used it. Just extra un sprung weight we don't need or use.

[Drew]

Oh yeah. If you had enough travel in the lever, the front brake would have still worked anyway.

[scrivy]

I do have to ask though, if you think they should be there, why didn't you have one the other day?
I have taken it off both ours, and Leanne's while I used it. Just extra un sprung weight we don't need or use.

The second line answers the first...... Why most teams don't carry it.

In the interests of safety, I think all teams need to re-visit this mistake.

[Drew]

The second line answers the first...... Why most teams don't carry it.

In the interests of safety, I think all teams need to re-visit this mistake.

Depends how many long chair riders show up, when it's time to vote I guess. It's a lot of engineering to try and squeeze another calliper into the front of an LCR. Not to mention that the lessoned cooling would create another safety issue of it's own in moocho brake fade.

[sidecar bob]

The second line answers the first...... Why most teams don't carry it.

In the interests of safety, I think all teams need to re-visit this mistake.

In light of their currently being no specification for an auxilary brake, I am in discussion with Trace regarding installing one to the rear of pinky.
The reason for this is that the most likely cause of sudden brake failure (as opposed to gradual brake fade) on sidecars, is usually a broken mounting, or rod. With pinky, I can use the existing solid mount on the swing arm with absolutely no cutting or welding.
A small brake is far superior to no brake at all, & the only thing worse than Scrivy & I nailing a shipping container, would have been Tracey & Jo. Pinky has a lot of history & I would be gutted if it got bent, the vacuuming & dishes would start backing up too!!
I would suggest to anyone putting in a remit, that it should read, "front or rear wheel brake" as the front on a lot of outfits is already cluttered & could be akward to work with, it needs to be do able, so people do it.
We need to do what we can to keep ourselves safe, because occasionally the organisers have a brain fart & leave very hard material exposed for us to hit.
I have no issue with Cem Circiut over what happened, & I know Cudge & all the team have our best interests at heart & im sure they didnt deliberately leave things like that, it was just an oversight that im sure will be addressed next year.

[nodrog]

I hope you didn't fart too much Gordie :/

I dont fart.


.... scrivy is welcome to agip bike fr north island rounds....

What a good cunt! We have just organisd with mainfreight to cancel the ferry crossing and ship it up to my garage. I'll have a look at your front brake while its here.

[Drew]

I'm with 'Bob' on perhaps mounting it to the rear wheel. An added bonus being that it would aid in 'chucking it sideways' to scrub of speed like Scrivy tried to do, (but found his swinger had pussied out).

[Drew]

I dont fart.Tui bilboard much?





What a good cunt! We have just organisd with mainfreight to cancel the ferry crossing and ship it up to my garage. I'll have a look at your front brake while its here.Hahahaha, you're just eyeing up his front end for your chair!

[sidecar bob]

I'm with 'Bob' on perhaps mounting it to the rear wheel. An added bonus being that it would aid in 'chucking it sideways' to scrub of speed like Scrivy tried to do, (but found his swinger had pussied out).

Lets turn an old coffee table upside down & put some castors on it, we can then take turns at towing each other towards a concrete block wall at 70kmh & see who jumps off last. Kind of like playing chicken, where the loser gets to spend the rest of his life in a chair drooling from the side of his mouth.
My wellbeing was one less factor Scrivy had to consider when crash landing.

[nodrog]

Hahahaha, you're just eyeing up his front end for your chair!

No, I am just helping Scrivy out. It would be good for him to be on the recieving end for once (yes, cue the gay jokes).

[Drew]

Lets turn an old coffee table upside down & put some castors on it, we can then take turns at towing each other towards a concrete block wall at 70kmh & see who jumps off last. Kind of like playing chicken, where the loser gets to spend the rest of his life in a chair drooling from the side of his mouth.Are you a bit sensitive bro, do you need a hug?

I'd have gotten off when the 'BANG' hapened!


No, I am just helping Scrivy out. It would be good for him to be on the recieving end for once (yes, cue the gay jokes).Good call man. I'm sure Alan would agree that they could use our chair, but I dunno if it will be ready, and will definitely be untested.

Are you gonna have yours finished or what?

[Kickaha]

Depends how many long chair riders show up, when it's time to vote I guess. It's a lot of engineering to try and squeeze another calliper into the front of an LCR.

I'd have to check but I thought Daves bike had a mounting point for a second smaller caliper, not sure on the later LCR

If you have two master cylinders off the same pedal as most outfits do one should still work, providing as Drew pointed out you have enough room for the extra lever travel

[Drew]

On that note, I did a piss poor job of introducing everyone to Alan, aka fanta pants/big gay Al/cunt/whatever you wanna call him, to everyone on the day. He was the half ranga, with the full ranga girlfriend that came over to the pit with me just before containergate race.

[nodrog]

Are you gonna have yours finished or what?

Depends on how much work Kai's chair needs when it gets here.

[nodrog]

On that note, I did a piss poor job of introducing everyone to Alan, aka fanta pants/big gay Al/cunt/whatever you wanna call him, to everyone on the day. He was the half ranga, with the full ranga girlfriend that came over to the pit with me just before containergate race.

yes Nancy Drew.

[sidecar bob]

Are you a bit sensitive bro, do you need a hug?


I get a bit teary this time of month, but its ok, when im feeling blue I just snuggle up with the big red stuffed laydybird Gordy gave me for Christmas & everything is ok.

[Drew]

yes Nancy Drew.I should have kept my frilly umbrella from the day. Complete strangers were admiring it all afternoon.


I get a bit teary this time of month, but its ok, when im feeling blue I just snuggle up with the big red stuffed laydybird Gordy gave me for Christmas & everything is ok.Chums for life aye?

He needed to give you something nice, after what he did to your ring!

[scrivy]

My wellbeing was one less factor Scrivy had to consider when crash landing.

Bob and I had this conversation many many many years ago. I told him under no situation should he stay on if we were ever going to hit something. I knew full well he'd have bailed before we hit. I wasn't in the least concerned he'd be hitting the container.

[scrivy]

I'd have gotten off when the 'BANG' hapened!


Errr... the bang of the brake failing, or the bang against the container...... :pinch::eek5::crazy:

[scrivy]

Oh yeah. If you had enough travel in the lever, the front brake would have still worked anyway.

That's what I was hoping too, but alas no. With the bias taking the path of least resistance, with no fluid in the side/rear master cylinder, the bias simply pivoted at the front plunger rod and went to the rear/side cylinder. Rendering it useless. Stinkage.....

[Drew]

Errr... the bang of the brake failing, or the bang against the container...... :pinch::eek5::crazy:The brake failing. I would have been up and over the barrier so as not to get run over, before you hit the wall.

I still don't get that the front brake didn't come on at all. There is some setup issues to be addressed as well as sorting out the wheel allignment in my opinion. But my experience is limited, so I could be wrong.

[Drew]

That's what I was hoping too, but alas no. With the bias taking the path of least resistance, with no fluid in the side/rear master cylinder, the bias simply pivoted at the front plunger rod and went to the rear/side cylinder. Rendering it useless. Stinkage.....I get that, I just would think that the empty master would 'bottom out', and the working one would then move.


Ah well, all academic now.

Is the chair at you place? Post up some good pics of the damage so we can gasp and offer more useless advice.

[scrivy]

Is the chair at you place? Post up some good pics of the damage so we can gasp and offer more useless advice.

Too many tears been spilt over it..............:pinch:

[Grumph]

That's what I was hoping too, but alas no. With the bias taking the path of least resistance, with no fluid in the side/rear master cylinder, the bias simply pivoted at the front plunger rod and went to the rear/side cylinder. Rendering it useless. Stinkage.....

I'm pretty sure I've seen something in one of Carroll Smith's books maybe about this. A lot of the stuff in his books is Formula Atlantic and i think they mandated some form of auxiliary stops or travel limiter for the bias bar which ensured what happened to you couldn't happen on a formula car.
I can't look in a mates collection of CS books til he reopens but someone here should have them....I'd have thought Prepare to Win at least would be required reading....
If this setup is feasible it's a damm sight easier to police and do than extra calipers tacked on....

[scrivy]

I'm pretty sure I've seen something in one of Carroll Smith's books maybe about this. A lot of the stuff in his books is Formula Atlantic and i think they mandated some form of auxiliary stops or travel limiter for the bias bar which ensured what happened to you couldn't happen on a formula car.
I can't look in a mates collection of CS books til he reopens but someone here should have them....I'd have thought Prepare to Win at least would be required reading....
If this setup is feasible it's a damm sight easier to police and do than extra calipers tacked on....

Sounds good. If you can find it and post up a pic of the system?

[Fast Eddie]

What a good cunt! We have just organisd with mainfreight to cancel the ferry crossing and ship it up to my garage. I'll have a look at your front brake while its here. ha! I'm racing it in South Island first and and then Paeroa, after that u can weld the busa motor in and run it for north rounds :D if it goes hard ill buy the motor!


Depends on how much work Kai's chair needs when it gets here.
won't need any work bro its prestine!

[jellywrestler]

We need to do what we can to keep ourselves safe, because occasionally the organisers have a brain fart & leave very hard material exposed for us to hit.
I have no issue with Cem Circiut over what happened, & I know Cudge & all the team have our best interests at heart & im sure they didnt deliberately leave things like that, it was just an oversight that i'm sure will be addressed next year. I don't really think it was a brain fart or an oversight that this area was unpadded. The reality is that every square inch simply can't be covered by something. Every accident over time at Wanganui has been looked into and learnt from, there has never been anyone go that far to date.
If anyone over the years has looked at this and thought it an issue then they've had the channels there to suggest a change either before, during or after a raceday, and once again to my knowledge no one has; hindsight is a wonderful thing.
You can be assured that they will be looking long and hard at this for the future, you've already suggested hay bales or airfence. I think that they alone could cause more trouble as a rider in similar state may choose to use them instead of bailing out and in doing so hit head on and catapult off the bike up to a solid wall????
I'm in no way suggesting that there shouldn't be something there after your loss of mantrol, but what should it be.
Right now i'd offer the suggestion of catch fencing and baled bottles before the wall.

Wanganui have led the way in Street Circuit safety and i'm sure they will have a plan, meanwhile i'm searching trade me for an old bouncy castle, and/or a surplus Xtreme motocross ramp.
Meanwhile thank fuck you guys are OK and one thing I tried to find on the day was how Scrivy was as there are a lot of folk listening around the country who were left in limbo that we as commentators could've advised people the outcome was OK

[Deano]

I'm glad you are ok too!

The first time I watched the video I thought "oh that isn't too bad", until I watched it again. I'd hazard a guess that it was a lot faster sitting in the bloody thing!

I also thought it was a bit rough that Scrivy had turned the rig so the side hit first, not realising that Bob had already bailed. Maybe the swinger needs a hand brake like Al's pitbike chair ? At least you'd do a few donuts and scrub off some speed - might even spit both you off sideways before the wall !!

[Ocean1]

Right now i'd offer the suggestion of catch fencing and baled bottles before the wall.




http://youtu.be/E9xrPsdMLkI

[sidecar bob]

I'm glad you are ok too!

The first time I watched the video I thought "oh that isn't too bad", until I watched it again. I'd hazard a guess that it was a lot faster sitting in the bloody thing!
It was still fair hauling arse, it only had gears to bring it down from aprox 170kmh
I also thought it was a bit rough that Scrivy had turned the rig so the side hit first, not realising that Bob had already bailed.

That was his way of checking i had gone before he chucked it in L/H side first.
Remember, Scrivy & I first raced 25 years ago, we were mates long before that & a lot has been discussed on long slow van trips too & from meetings.
We arent just depending on dumb luck & god to keep us safe.

[sidecar bob]

I don't really think it was a brain fart or an oversight that this area was unpadded. The reality is that every square inch simply can't be covered by something. Every accident over time at Wanganui has been looked into and learnt from, there has never been anyone go that far to date.
If anyone over the years has looked at this and thought it an issue then they've had the channels there to suggest a change either before, during or after a raceday, and once again to my knowledge no one has; hindsight is a wonderful thing.
You can be assured that they will be looking long and hard at this for the future, you've already suggested hay bales or airfence. I think that they alone could cause more trouble as a rider in similar state may choose to use them instead of bailing out and in doing so hit head on and catapult off the bike up to a solid wall????
I'm in no way suggesting that there shouldn't be something there after your loss of mantrol, but what should it be.
Right now i'd offer the suggestion of catch fencing and baled bottles before the wall.

Wanganui have led the way in Street Circuit safety and i'm sure they will have a plan, meanwhile i'm searching trade me for an old bouncy castle, and/or a surplus Xtreme motocross ramp.
Meanwhile thank fuck you guys are OK and one thing I tried to find on the day was how Scrivy was as there are a lot of folk listening around the country who were left in limbo that we as commentators could've advised people the outcome was OK
It was directly at the end of a straight that christ only knows how fast a superbike goes, at the end of a downhill run, it really was a bit forgetfull of someone, and absolutely no offence intended to the hard working crew that set the whole thing up.
I accidentaly overheard a conversation between two parties just prior to riders briefing, that suggested that the organisers had run out of protective material & the governing body had re shuffled some about, much to the distress of the track maker.
That aside, two haybales or one bale of milk bottles would have at least given us something to aim at.
However, as they said at breifing, if you feel your safety concerns have not been addressed, do not compete at this event. The containers were of no concern to me until aprox 7 seconds before we hit them.

[scrivy]

I also thought it was a bit rough that Scrivy had turned the rig so the side hit first, not realising that Bob had already bailed

One good thing to note though Deano, is that Bob was getting ready for a right hander at turn one. So he was on the right hand side of the rig, not the left.
If he hadn't bailed, he would have kissed the container, not gotten wedged between it and the sidecar.
It happens so fast, yet there's so much stuff going through your brain....

[sidecar bob]

One good thing to note though Deano, is that Bob was getting ready for a right hander at turn one. So he was on the right hand side of the rig, not the left.
If he hadn't bailed, he would have kissed the container, not gotten wedged between it and the sidecar.
It happens so fast, yet there's so much stuff going through your brain....

That was an understatement. Some of you will not be aware that Scrivy was a commercial airline pilot & light aircraft thrillseeker of some repute & posesses a savant gene, idiot savant, nonetheless.
It took him nigh on five minutes for him to explain the train of thoughts & reactions that he processed in the aprox 6 seconds it took between component failure & impact.

[nodrog]

.... if it goes hard ill buy the motor!

did you find some magic beans?

[bucket boy]

did you find some magic beans?
Bob is buying it for him.

[sidecar bob]

Bob is buying it for him.

Do I look like im fuckin santa claus!!!

[jellywrestler]

It was directly at the end of a straight that christ only knows how fast a superbike goes, at the end of a downhill run, it really was a bit forgetful of someone,

no body forgot, to my knowledge there's never been anything there and nobodies ever called to have it, hindsight here is a wonderful thing and whatever goes there has to be well thought out as the run off area currently is approx 30% of the front straights length and in excess of 100 meters of solid seal;check out google earth, remind me of ANY corner on ANY Road race (street or closed track) circuit in New Zealand as I can't as hell think of one.
Every Competitor who has competed at Wanganui has seen the track and had the opportunity to comment on this and every other area and till this incident no-one has seen it as a hazard over and above it's benefit as a run-off.
A haybale or airbag would in my opinion not have improved your chances here this time the decision to aim for one would have I'm sure seen impact at a higher speed than what Scrivy had acheived by his method of scrubbing off speed.
Additionally to aim for a haybale or airbag needs steering, this time you had some, someone elses failure may inhibit their steering.....


A few rows of haybales in front may have done a better job of reducing speed

27.6.2a Sidecars shall be fitted with at least two efficient brakes operation on at least
two of the wheels, with at least two separate operational circuits irrespective
of their method of operation. If one system fails the other system shall work
efficiently.

I wonder how many other machines out there may have two systems but in some instances they simply don't quite meet the last sentences needs eg brake pad loss or snapped brake line, scary really but let's learn from it

[scrivy]

27.6.2a Sidecars shall be fitted with at least two efficient brakes operation on at least
two of the wheels, with at least two separate operational circuits irrespective
of their method of operation. If one system fails the other system shall work
efficiently.

I wonder how many other machines out there may have two systems but in some instances they simply don't quite meet the last sentences needs eg brake pad loss or snapped brake line, scary really but let's learn from it

.......and this is what I hope is achieved out of this accident. We learn from it and fix it so it doesn't cause a death next time.

'at least two separate operational circuits irrespective of their method of operation' - this was for long bikes being brought into NZ as I've said earlier. The wording was shite, as it doesn't say you need to have two levers/pedals, only two master cylinders....

[Drew]

.......and this is what I hope is achieved out of this accident. We learn from it and fix it so it doesn't cause a death next time.

'at least two separate operational circuits irrespective of their method of operation' - this was for long bikes being brought into NZ as I've said earlier. The wording was shite, as it doesn't say you need to have two levers/pedals, only two master cylinders....

I'll go with the majority on this but I seriously hope, that just because your brakes didn't do what everyone thinks they should, that an elaborate system needs to be thought up.

How about someone checks out weather or not one circuit failing, means the other stops working on a chair without a restriction on pedal travel.

I maintain that the bias system we are making, will still have brakes when one system fails. I'll test it when we're done, but that'll be a month or so away. I would like to know before any one idea gains momentum, without anything else being looked at.

[Weaver]

I'll go with the majority on this but I seriously hope, that just because your brakes didn't do what everyone thinks they should, that an elaborate system needs to be thought up.

How about someone checks out weather or not one circuit failing, means the other stops working on a chair without a restriction on pedal travel.

I maintain that the bias system we are making, will still have brakes when one system fails. I'll test it when we're done, but that'll be a month or so away. I would like to know before any one idea gains momentum, without anything else being looked at.

Thinking of it, what would happen though if the brake pedal assembly failed in some way? Then an auxiliary master cylinder might be required.

[ellipsis]

...Street Racing is a fine line between as safe as you can make it and as unsafe as it is going to be...the signature on the entry form is your acceptance of the fact that what happens next is in the lap of the Gods and all the safety shit in the world cant stop the unthinkable happening...'tis our option not to sign...we wouldn't do it if it was unsafe would we?...better ways to stop forward motion are purely down to the beholder aren't they...buildings and containers are just part of the deal...

[Drew]

Thinking of it, what would happen though if the brake pedal assembly failed in some way? Then an auxiliary master cylinder might be required.

Fine then, we'll put the extra one back on the front. But if it fucks up the shiny bars we put on, you're gonna get it in the arse!

Dunno why you care, you're the jumper offerer!

[Weaver]

Dunno why you care, you're the jumper offerer!

I don't want to have to find someone else to drive me and my car about.

I'm thinking along the lines of a motorcycle master cylinder that operates the front brake on the same brake line as the foot pedal.

[Drew]

I don't want to have to find someone else to drive me and my car about.

I'm thinking along the lines of a motorcycle master cylinder that operates the front brake on the same brake line as the foot pedal.
Na, too hard to make one way valves and shit.

Seperate lines is best.

[nodrog]

Do I look like im fuckin santa claus!!!

Does Tracey know you call her Santa Claus?


..... remind me of ANY corner on ANY Road race (street or closed track) circuit in New Zealand as I can't as hell think of one......

Did you forget about turn 12 at Taupo?

[Fast Eddie]

did you find some magic beans?

will baked beans cover it?

[Fast Eddie]

I don't want to have to find someone else to drive me and my car about.

I'm thinking along the lines of a motorcycle master cylinder that operates the front brake on the same brake line as the foot pedal.

oo flag that.. at hamptons my brake line got ripped clean out of caliper.

agip bike has hand brake running its own caliper on the front.. it can stop the bike by itself.. or at least scrub off a bit of speed.. coupled with chopping down gears on the rear its not too bad. If I could trust the fluid to not be cooked when i need to use it I would say its the ideal setup.. need some dot 5 in it or something

relying on an emergency rear brake plus chopping down gears will prob lock up..

[Kickaha]

If I could trust the fluid to not be cooked when i need to use it I would say its the ideal setup.. need some dot 5 in it or something
How much are you using it during the races?

[nodrog]

I will do the race report Gordie

Fuckin hurry up then!

[Drew]

Ok Sidecar people, dot 5 is agricultural brake fluid for Harleys and massey Ferguson. Dot 4.1 is race fluid.

It should be replaced monthly! Really heat resistant fluid absorbs moisture, which when heated evapourates. That vapour in the system is the spongy feeling of fading brakes.

So the good stuff, very quickly becomes worse than the cheap stuff.

All brake fluids are not soluble with each other either. Do I need to say this again for effect? Because lots of Sidecar guys (and girls come to think of it), are whining about their brakes not being right, but few are starting with the basics.

As you were.

[scrivy]

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Does this file attachment work? (Didn't know how to post up a .wmv file)

If so, you'll see that when there is total failure of the left master cylinder (rear/side), the brake bias bar just pivots at the other cylinder (front) allowing absolutely no pressure whatsoever to the other cylinder.

All my brake pumping was to absolutely no effect.....

I think you'll find most other rigs are the same too.....

[scrivy]

Ok Sidecar people, dot 5 is agricultural brake fluid for Harleys

So its ok for Keiths Harley then?

[Tony.OK]

Ok Sidecar people, dot 5 is agricultural brake fluid for Harleys and massey Ferguson. Dot 4.1 is race fluid.

It should be replaced monthly! Really heat resistant fluid absorbs moisture, which when heated evapourates. That vapour in the system is the spongy feeling of fading brakes.

So the good stuff, very quickly becomes worse than the cheap stuff.

All brake fluids are not soluble with each other either. Do I need to say this again for effect? Because lots of Sidecar guys (and girls come to think of it), are whining about their brakes not being right, but few are starting with the basics.

As you were.
Do you just make shit up Drew? All that Heineken has not only ruined your figure but your mind has gone too :bleh:

Dot 4.1? Never heard of it!
Dot 4 and Dot 5.1 are both Glycol based, Dot 5 is Silicone based and should never be mixed with other.
5.1 has a higher boiling point but does need more maintenance in way of bleeding more often because its more hygroscopic.

[Kickaha]

Ok Sidecar people, dot 5 is agricultural brake fluid for Harleys and massey Ferguson. Dot 4.1 is race fluid.
dot 5 is silicon based and not used that often, are you sure dot 4.1 even exists most stuff is either dot 4 or 5.1 for race use

[Drew]

So its ok for Keiths Harley then?I doubt he's still using Harley brakes...Unless he doesn't like stopping. In which case you might wanna pitch your outfit to him for sale.:beer:

[scrivy]

Do you just make shit up Drew? All that Heineken has not only ruined your figure but your mind has gone too :bleh:


.............................:corn:

To quote Mrs Brown.....'That's nice.....'
This'll be good......

[Drew]

dot 5 is silicon based and not used that often, are you sure dot 4.1 even exists most stuff is either dot 4 or 5.1 for race useOff to research this. But my understanding was that the Dot 5 stuff is shit.

[scrivy]

my understanding was that the Dot 5 stuff is shit.

Why would you put shit in your brake reservouir?:nya:
Do you use your fingers??
Don't bite ya nails like I do, do ya?

[Drew]

Off to research this. But my understanding was that the Dot 5 stuff is shit.Once again, I only retained half of what I was told.

Dot 5 works mean at high temoerature, but cannot be mixed with anything else. So replacing seals and flushing lines perfectly free of non silicon based fluid is essential, or it'll eat your seals and then turn brakes into shit.

It does absorb air though, so bleeding should be done with a pressure bleeder instead of the conventional way.

Dot 5.1 is different stuff again, but I didn't look into it for lack of time.

I really have to look shit up before I talk.

As you were.

[Fast Eddie]

How much are you using it during the races?

never..

but after race i give it a squeeze and it always goes to the end of its travel. gotta pump it to get pressure back. it has fresh fluid in it from Nev but unsure what DOT.. it has always been like that pre crash tho..

when its cold its ok.. will look at it in chch.

[scrivy]

or it'll eat your seals...

WTF???? Muff diving seals??? What discovery channel porn are you watching???

I really have to look shit up before I talk.


Usually my forte.....

[Tony.OK]

Once again, I only retained half of what I was told.

Dot 5 works mean at high temoerature, but cannot be mixed with anything else. So replacing seals and flushing lines perfectly free of non silicon based fluid is essential, or it'll eat your seals and then turn brakes into shit.

It does absorb air though, so bleeding should be done with a pressure bleeder instead of the conventional way.

Dot 5.1 is different stuff again, but I didn't look into it for lack of time.

I really have to look shit up before I talk.

As you were.
5.1 is same as 4 mate, just around 10 degree higher boiling point, so great for racing.

And here was me expecting some abuse from ya bud, you gone soft now ya on a trike? My round next time you're up this way mate, we can have a good session looking at Wikipedia :2thumbsup

[scrivy]

never..

but after race i give it a squeeze and it always goes to the end of its travel. gotta pump it to get pressure back. it has fresh fluid in it from Nev but unsure what DOT.. it has always been like that pre crash tho..

when its cold its ok.. will look at it in chch.

It's either getting dragged ever so slightly on the disc, or its acquiring the latent heat from the disc from your other caliper. New fluid for a start.
Have you looked at the pads? See if they're bottoming out on the caliper, and too close to the disc - if so, surface grind them down a bit.

[Kickaha]

never..

but after race i give it a squeeze and it always goes to the end of its travel. gotta pump it to get pressure back. it has fresh fluid in it from Nev but unsure what DOT.. it has always been like that pre crash tho..

when its cold its ok.. will look at it in chch.

Unless it has some serious drag it's unlikely to be boiling, m/c may need a rebuild

[Kickaha]

if so, surface grind them down a bit. You just reminded me about a car we had in at work, it'd been in and had a brake job before it got to us and must have had a bit of a lip on the outer edge of the disc, someone had "machined" it off with an angle grinder

[scrivy]

You just reminded me about a car we had in at work, it'd been in and had a brake job before it got to us and must have had a bit of a lip on the outer edge of the disc, someone had "machined" it off with an angle grinder

PMSL!!! Shaun accused Bob of doing that at HD a year or two back!!!

[sidecar bob]

PMSL!!! Shaun accused Bob of doing that at HD a year or two back!!!

When in fact I was using Burts emery wheel in a grinder to de glaze the discs on a CB900f pre 82 bike.
The bloke went way faster, so it must have worked.

[Fast Eddie]

It's either getting dragged ever so slightly on the disc, or its acquiring the latent heat from the disc from your other caliper. New fluid for a start.
Have you looked at the pads? See if they're bottoming out on the caliper, and too close to the disc - if so, surface grind them down a bit.
something drags on the front wheel for sure.. its what AJ and I were looking at after first practice...


Unless it has some serious drag it's unlikely to be boiling, m/c may need a rebuild

something is dragging on the front wheel for sure.. after a race u pull the clutch in and it slows down pretty quick! prob costing me a second a lap ;) and the fuel economy! the hippies will be most displeased.

[scrivy]

When in fact I was using Burts emery wheel in a grinder to de glaze the discs on a CB900f pre 82 bike.
The bloke went way faster, so it must have worked.

Peoples perceptions of events that they have never bothered to ask people about, but are prepared to slander them on social media.
Go figure....

[scrivy]

something is dragging on the front wheel for sure.. after a race u pull the clutch in and it slows down pretty quick! prob costing me a second a lap ;) and the fuel economy! the hippies will be most displeased.

Has to be the auxillary brake - esp. if its gettn hot! Unbolt it, or remove the pads, and see if there's still dragging going on.
Bob and I can take a gander - I'm going South for the Nats - but now only to spectate.... :cry:

I can be you'se fellas pit bitch.......... :woohoo:

(Dropped bolt here, stripped nut there, tools left on the rig, items left undone......)

ooo I can be Traceys umbrella boy.......

I might even get a ride on the AGIP bike....... :pinch: Scratch that thought..... I don't want to lose another life....

[sidecar bob]

Peoples perceptions of events that they have never bothered to ask people about, but are prepared to slander them on social media.

Yes, I heard that apparently I abandoned you while injured in favour of fixing the sidecar. PMSL, if only it could have been fixed trackside with one hand.
What I was doing was putting my finger over the broken fuel pipe to stop a river of fuel from running under your head.

[scrivy]

Yes, I heard that apparently I abandoned you while injured in favour of fixing the sidecar. PMSL, if only it could have been fixed trackside with one hand.
What I was doing was putting my finger over the broken fuel pipe to stop a river of fuel from running under your head.

....and thank fuck you reacted so fast...... otherwise it would have been forget the marshmellows.... o o o throw a scrivy on the fire.....

[Fast Eddie]

Has to be the auxillary brake - esp. if its gettn hot! Unbolt it, or remove the pads, and see if there's still dragging going on.
Bob and I can take a gander - I'm going South for the Nats - but now only to spectate.... :cry:

I can be you'se fellas pit bitch.......... :woohoo:

(Dropped bolt here, stripped nut there, tools left on the rig, items left undone......)

ooo I can be Traceys umbrella boy.......

I might even get a ride on the AGIP bike....... :pinch: Scratch that thought..... I don't want to lose another life....

haha! you can take the Agip bike for a ride tho, I wont make you swing ;) Ask kick.. im a bit rough!
I'd be keen to see what you think of the bikes chassis and setup. What should be improved/changed.. how it handles.. I think its great but I don't know any better haha.. it might actually handle a bit dodgy!

and yip when i get to chch end of the week I'll pull aux caliper off and see if still dragging :D churr, glad u r still comin down.. u sure u dont want us to hassle harris for one of his bikes for south island rounds and then pinch agip bike for north island rounds or something?

[scrivy]

and yip when i get to chch end of the week I'll pull aux caliper off and see if still dragging :D churr, glad u r still comin down.. u sure u dont want us to hassle harris for one of his bikes for south island rounds and then pinch agip bike for north island rounds or something?

To be honest, right now my left leg is still too sore to kneel in a sidecar.... Probably will be by next weekend too....

Thanks for the offer of your chair, but that's not how I operate. As you know, I'm a giver, not a taker. There's no chance I'd take a toy off someone else so I could have fun at their expense. I'd rather watch you going round. (I was gunna say 'going hard' - but flagged that thought - 'cause I knew Kick would come back with a gaybo comment....)

[scrivy]

Could you guys open up that excel file and then open up the movie file?

[Tony.OK]

Could you guys open up that excel file and then open up the movie file?

Opened file in Excel the double clicked it and it worked. Looked like some sort of anal torture tool for chair riders? :eek5: