Sidecar Racing

[Fast Eddie]

Yes. Pm me or call me with how much you want for them.
what do you need em for - you have fuel injection?

.. you don't come from a speedway background do ya??


You can blow big bubbles with it......
just like the girls from Bejing..


While I like the idea do you think it is likely to bring enough new crews in to have a sustainable class or just take numbers out of the existing classes?

Would pre 82 still be more like the classic chairs? big wheelers and front exits?

or just really old "moderns"

make a pre 89 for all the old moderns..

[Kickaha]

Would pre 82 still be more like the classic chairs? big wheelers and front exits?

or just really old "moderns"

make a pre 89 for all the old moderns..
More like old moderns, so we'll have pre82 and you want pre89?
fucking awesome, wonder where all the bikes to fill these classes will come from

[Fast Eddie]

More like old moderns, so we'll have pre82 and you want pre89?
fucking awesome, wonder where all the bikes to fill these classes will come from

haha, I don't really want anything. Only just filling the one modern class we have.. Leave it as is until we can get grids of 20+ of modern-ish bikes. Then if we get more bikes could start splitting into f1 and f2 and pre 89 (so agip bike can join in there)

[nodrog]

Vote for me

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[scrivy]

Vote for me


Who ARE you???

[scrivy]

fucking awesome, wonder where all the bikes to fill these classes will come from

Probably be transported on trailers from peoples garages....... ya muppet....

[sidecar bob]

While I like the idea do you think it is likely to bring enough new crews in to have a sustainable class or just take numbers out of the existing classes?

I suspect it will appeal to people that dont like pom bikes & dont like long bikes.
At the start there were three classic chairs & if they hadnt kept turning up & running there wouldnt be 25 now.
Going by the enthusiam for period 4 & 5 in Aussie (basically pre '73 & pre '82 all in jap inc) Id say we will have a strong field in a few years.
We are discussing making the rules the same as aussie for two reasons, 1, we can buy their machines ready to race without needing to modify them, & that will grow our class quicker. 2, If we compete in aussie it will be on a level playing field, unlike now, where our classes are very much at odds.

[scrivy]

IWe are discussing making the rules the same as aussie for two reasons, 1, we can buy their machines ready to race without needing to modify them, & that will grow our class quicker. 2, If we compete in aussie it will be on a level playing field, unlike now, where our classes are very much at odds.

How many years ago did I tell you I wanted to race a GSX1100 powered beastie?

[Kickaha]

How many years ago did I tell you I wanted to race a GSX1100 powered beastie?

Been there done that, 2nd behind Johhny B and Brett in the NZGP the first year of sidecar racing, had to push start the cunting 320kg thing by myself, I was normally fucked by the time we lined up for the race

[scrivy]

I was normally fucked by the time we lined up for the race
What's changed....... :killingme:lol:

[Kickaha]

What's changed.......

I can now normally make it past lap 1 (unless it's with Kai)

[Drew]

What's changed....... :killingme:lol:The guy feeding it to him!

[sidecar bob]

I had a good catch up in person with Kevin Grey (one of the kingpins in the forming of the NZPCRA) yesterday.
He is very keen to see pre '82 sidecars run when & where they do, & is currently assisting in putting things through the correct channels to get it off the ground. PCRA members in general are right behind us on this one.
One BMW R90 sidecar for sale soon I think.

[Kickaha]

I had a good catch up in person with Kevin Grey (one of the kingpins in the forming of the NZPCRA) yesterday.
He is very keen to see pre '82 sidecars run when & where they do, & is currently assisting in putting things through the correct channels to get it off the ground. PCRA members in general are right behind us on this one.
I hope you'll insist on push starts like back in the day


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUJVtxumPww


Australian P5 (Pre82) rules can be found here http://www.ma.org.au/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/MOMS/2013_MoMS_Files/2013_MOMS_VERSION_2/CHAPTER_16_29JAN.pdf

[kiwisidecars]

Hi all, Im having a clear out and looking for a home for the attached parts give me a call or PM I have drawings and patterns for most parts as Criss and ritchies sidecar if anyone Interested

[old rig]

I had a good catch up in person with Kevin Grey (one of the kingpins in the forming of the NZPCRA) yesterday.
He is very keen to see pre '82 sidecars run when & where they do, & is currently assisting in putting things through the correct channels to get it off the ground. PCRA members in general are right behind us on this one.
One BMW R90 sidecar for sale soon I think.

one zx10r sidecar for sale soon i think

[nodrog]

....One BMW R90 sidecar for sale soon I think.

http://www.testically.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/happy.jpg

[Fast Eddie]

16.1.4.2 Gloves need not be worn by passengers on sidecars.

jesus.. probably the person most likely to come off and slide down the asphalt on their hands.

[Fast Eddie]

So how many classes will we have then?

Just Post Classic, Pre 82 and Moderns?

Will pre 82 get lumped in with post classic?

As long as nothing effects the modern class I guess it doesn't really matter if someone wants to start another class to race some bikes.. Why not eh.

So long as people don't ditch the moderns in my view! its been a good last season with lots of entries.. hate to see it drop off if people put their efforts into classic stuff instead.

[swarfie]

So how many classes will we have then?

Just Post Classic, Pre 82 and Moderns?

Will pre 82 get lumped in with post classic?

As long as nothing effects the modern class I guess it doesn't really matter if someone wants to start another class to race some bikes.. Why not eh.

So long as people don't ditch the moderns in my view! its been a good last season with lots of entries.. hate to see it drop off if people put their efforts into classic stuff instead.

Ya forgot the REAL sidecar class...Pre-63:mad::cool::bleh:

[scrivy]

Ya forgot the REAL sidecar class...Pre-63:mad::cool::bleh:

Well yeah, but the age of riders shouldn't come into it Nev!! I'm not Pre-63!!

[sidecar bob]

So how many classes will we have then?

Just Post Classic, Pre 82 and Moderns?

Will pre 82 get lumped in with post classic?

As long as nothing effects the modern class I guess it doesn't really matter if someone wants to start another class to race some bikes.. Why not eh.

So long as people don't ditch the moderns in my view! its been a good last season with lots of entries.. hate to see it drop off if people put their efforts into classic stuff instead.

Pre '82 if run with other sidecars, must run with moderns, (this is an MNZ directive) which im sure they will, until, or if ever they get sufficent numbers to run alone.
That said, it seems that NZPCRA, will also be happy to run a minumum grid while the class is in its formative stage.
This is not intended to fragment sidecar racing, but to bring a group of people into, or back into racing that either havent been involved for many years, or never been involved before, because sidecars did not have a class that interested them up until now.
Dont fret, while pre '82 as demonstrated by the Aussies, is a very cool class, I cant see every modern & classic racer jumping into it to the detriment of their current class.
Kai, it is also possible that your outfit may be give an honorary status to run pre '82 based on lap times etc.
These issues need to be worked through in due course.
I can see you have concerns about the modern class & I agree, we have come out of the woods big time in the last 12 months, & not by accident either.
This class is not all about me & I may never own a pre '82 ever, it is about the greater good of sidecar racing in NZ & moving in sync with Aussie up to a point. dont worry about yourself too much, im sure there will always be a class for you to run in.
Any people that do make the change will I guess, sell their outfits to new enthusiastic people. I doubt that more than a couple of existing "moderns" will be re modified back to pre '82 spec.

[scrivy]

Kai, it is also possible that your outfit may be give an honorary status to run pre '82 based on lap times etc.


So if we sandbag, we can race with Kai then??:rolleyes::bleh:

[Weaver]

So if we sandbag, we can race with Kai then??:rolleyes::bleh:

Drop a cylinder like some of the f3 bikes do.

[nodrog]

so much freting!

[Drew]

so much freting!

19 on my 'Strat' knock off, and 22 on my 'Ashton'.

[Fast Eddie]

Ya forgot the REAL sidecar class...Pre-63:mad::cool::bleh:

hahaha sorry, Nev.. when do they become Vintage ;)


Pre '82 if run with other sidecars, must run with moderns...
nice.. more on the grid :D


Kai, it is also possible that your outfit may be give an honorary status to run pre '82 based on lap times etc.
haha! damn straight..


Any people that do make the change will I guess, sell their outfits to new enthusiastic people.
yip hopefully! keep growin the grid sizes :D


so much freting!
all over the fret board

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[Fast Eddie]

19 on my 'Strat' knock off, and 22 on my 'Ashton'.

haha 22 on my real Strat and 21 on the Jazzmaster knock off

[swarfie]

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie;1130505958]hahaha sorry, Nev.. when do they become Vintage ;)




Scrivy would say about my age....bastard :killingme

[Kickaha]

Ya forgot the REAL sidecar class...Pre-63:mad::cool::bleh:
I thought that was just for old pricks


Kai, it is also possible that your outfit may be give an honorary status to run pre '82 based on lap times etc.

I know with an old GSX1100 motor we could do 1.49 at Ruapuna so he may not be fast enough to qualify for it

[Fast Eddie]

I know with an old GSX1100 motor we could do 1.49 at Ruapuna so he may not be fast enough to qualify for it

just make me a Mo Haley only class.. no harris's allowed

[sidecar bob]

Serious question. Can anyone point me at a hub centre steer outfit raced prior to Dec '82 either initally in NZ, or anywhere at all.

[sidecar bob]

So Scrivy gets Pate's outfit, Gordy gets mine, Kornhole gets Gordy's & everyone is happy? except Pate.

[Kickaha]

& everyone is happy? except Pate.

He'll get over it

[Kickaha]

Serious question. Can anyone point me at a hub centre steer outfit raced prior to Dec '82 either initally in NZ, or anywhere at all.

1977 early enough for you?
http://www.tonyfoale.com/gallery/SideCars/images/MC-1.jpg

edit: One of the Uk guys said the first hub centre steer bike he saw racing was 1964

Renwick Konig in 1972 http://www.koniggrandprixracers.com/renwick-konig/
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee305/waffa1/Renwick_Konig_flat_L_A_copy1.jpg

There's actually quite a heap of them prior to 1982

[Fast Eddie]

So Scrivy gets Pate's outfit, Gordy gets mine, Kornhole gets Gordy's & everyone is happy? except Pate.
Can I have scrivys with the motor..


Serious question. Can anyone point me at a hub centre steer outfit raced prior to Dec '82 either initally in NZ, or anywhere at all.

So close.. Mo said mine was finished in 1984.. he prob started building it a bit earlier..

But yes - 1976 the first LCR was built..

[Fast Eddie]

1977 early enough for you?
http://www.tonyfoale.com/gallery/SideCars/images/MC-1.jpg

cool! looks like he has a sort of ham slicer arrangment for the front disc like Mo used too.

[sidecar bob]

1977 early enough for you?


There's actually quite a heap of them prior to 1982

I thought it wouldnt be hard to find.
So Kai is only a decent air cooled engine away from a genuine pre '82 outfit?

[nodrog]

I thought it wouldnt be hard to find.
So Kai is only a decent air cooled engine away from a genuine pre '82 outfit?

Come on Bob, hes only a blown radiator hose away from an air cooled engine.

[Fast Eddie]

I thought it wouldnt be hard to find.
So Kai is only a decent air cooled engine away from a genuine pre '82 outfit?

chur! did they not have oil cooling back then.. agip bike used to run a suzuki 1100 oil burner


Come on Bob, hes only a blown radiator hose away from an air cooled engine.

and i'm only a burnout away from a blown radiator hose judging by the state of them..

fuel lines are also weathered and cracking. I was hoping to replace fuel lines with stainless braided shit? same with oil lines. and radiator hoses if possible (never seen em for radiator hoses tho) where do u buy that jazz from..and required fittings n so on

[jellywrestler]

Serious question. Can anyone point me at a hub centre steer outfit raced prior to Dec '82 either initally in NZ, or anywhere at all.

Peter Campbell late malboro series, Wanganui's Dicky Goodwin swung for him that year from memory. Was hoping to talk to Peter about coming over for the Cemetery circuit this year, but as things have changed guess I won't

[scrivy]

Peter Campbell late malboro series, Wanganui's Dicky Goodwin swung for him that year from memory. Was hoping to talk to Peter about coming over for the Cemetery circuit this year, but as things have changed guess I won't

Does your PMT last for 3 weeks??? :eek5:

[Weaver]

I was hoping to replace fuel lines with stainless braided shit? same with oil lines. and radiator hoses if possible (never seen em for radiator hoses tho) where do u buy that jazz from..and required fittings n so on

Why? To make it even heavier? It is a race bike at the end if the day and all those grams add up.

[jellywrestler]

Serious question. Can anyone point me at a hub centre steer outfit raced prior to Dec '82 either initally in NZ, or anywhere at all.

I took these piccies during the great wet race in 79

[nodrog]

Does your PMT last for 3 weeks??? :eek5:

He hasnt got his period, hes just a bloody cunt.

[Fast Eddie]

Why? To make it even heavier? It is a race bike at the end if the day and all those grams add up.

hahaha... thats like telling a fat person to order a diet coke with his 17 big macs, 3 large fries, 15 cheeseburgers and a strawberry sundae..

theres very little weight saving efforts on the agip bike, a couple of grams is worth it for sweet looking lines.

so where do I get em?

[Fast Eddie]

I took these piccies during the great wet race in 79

looks like they are sailing on a lake.

also looks like some front exit provisions there for the swinger?

[nodrog]

hahaha... thats like telling a fat person to order a diet coke with his 17 big macs, 3 large fries, 15 cheeseburgers and a strawberry sundae..

theres very little weight saving efforts on the agip bike, a couple of grams is worth it for sweet looking lines.

so where do I get em?

If yoi are going for gayness instead of performance, superchimp or repco should have a braided hose wrap kit for 1/100th the price of geniune braided hose and fittings. Well they did back in the days of fitting highrise shocks to the rear of your mark 1 escort so you could roll on 13x10 chevoit hotwires with eagers.

If you want to know how much braided line costs, ask bucket boy how much it cost just to do the fuel line in his bucket, just from the carbs to the firewall. He could have probably brought an agip sidecar...

[Fast Eddie]

If yoi are going for gayness instead of performance, superchimp or repco should have a braided hose wrap kit for 1/100th the price of geniune braided hose and fittings. Well they did back in the days of fitting highrise shocks to the rear of your mark 1 escort so you could roll on 13x10 chevoit hotwires with eagers.

If you want to know how much braided line costs, ask bucket boy how much it cost just to do the fuel line in his bucket, just from the carbs to the firewall. He could have probably brought an agip sidecar...

I never owned an escort.. I rolled in a 2 tonne mercedes with about 42 subwoofers in the boot
as for the line found some. (I come on here to kill time more than actually get answers.. google is much quicker than you lot) its pretty dear but not that bad, about 20-30 buck a foot prob only need 2 feet from tank to carbs.

[nodrog]

I never owned an escort.. I rolled in a 2 tonne mercedes with about 42 subwoofers in the boot
as for the line found some. (I come on here to kill time more than actually get answers.. google is much quicker than you lot) its pretty dear but not that bad, about 20-30 buck a foot prob only need 2 feet from tank to carbs.

Bloody kids these days. For uber gayness you are going to need the anodised fittings as well, a hose clip just wont cut it.

[swarfie]

Bloody kids these days. For uber gayness you are going to need the anodised fittings as well, a hose clip just wont cut it.

Then it'll REALLY look shite :brick: ...IMO those red n blue fittings look utter crap!!!

[Fast Eddie]

Bloody kids these days. For uber gayness you are going to need the anodised fittings as well, a hose clip just wont cut it.

Well ahead of you, deciding what color is the hard part..

I also take back the comment on google being better than the KB whanau - I am still in need of this seal:

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one on the right in both pics - we tried the New Holland and Massey Ferg idea but no joy with them.. tried every bearing/seal shop I know of and was listed in ChCh.

Will PM a couple of you who had ideas earlier on.. but anyone else who has an idea sing out :)

Final Question - the bearing that these seals cover is a fully sealed bearing anyway.. so are these dust seals even that crucial? I was just refitting them since I had the whole rear end apart anyway and figure might as well replace everything while I'm here.

[Fast Eddie]

...IMO those red n blue fittings look utter crap!!!

yea the appearance of our police force really is going down hill..

[swarfie]

Well ahead of you, deciding what color is the hard part..

I also take back the comment on google being better than the KB whanau - I am still in need of this seal:

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one on the right in both pics - we tried the New Holland and Massey Ferg idea but no joy with them.. tried every bearing/seal shop I know of and was listed in ChCh.

Will PM a couple of you who had ideas earlier on.. but anyone else who has an idea sing out :)

Final Question - the bearing that these seals cover is a fully sealed bearing anyway.. so are these dust seals even that crucial? I was just refitting them since I had the whole rear end apart anyway and figure might as well replace everything while I'm here.

Go without them if you've already got sealed bearings....save some weight...hahahahah:killingme

[Fast Eddie]

Go without them if you've already got sealed bearings..
sweet! yea just one big f*off sealed bearing for the rear. its biiiig


..save some weight...hahahahah:killingme
oh har har, Nev

;)

I'll have you know that we have a super light weight race fairing for the agip bike, unpainted.. That will have us dicing for the lead for sure..

[Weaver]

Final Question - the bearing that these seals cover is a fully sealed bearing anyway.. so are these dust seals even that crucial? I was just refitting them since I had the whole rear end apart anyway and figure might as well replace everything while I'm here.

If you are certain it's a sealed bearing then run it with out the seal. Just Keep an eye on the bearings. You could get the housing remachined to take a more commonly sized seal too.

[nodrog]

Then it'll REALLY look shite :brick: ...IMO those red n blue fittings look utter crap!!!

Yep, thats why my little brain injured friend gets them stripped and reanodised black.

[sidecar bob]

Then it'll REALLY look shite :brick: ...IMO those red n blue fittings look utter crap!!!

What do you know about mechanical presentation anyway??

[sidecar bob]

Peter Campbell late malboro series, Wanganui's Dicky Goodwin swung for him that year from memory. Was hoping to talk to Peter about coming over for the Cemetery circuit this year, but as things have changed guess I won't

Last year myself & a couple of others spent a bloody fortune of our own money making sidecars a success for Cemetary Circiut, for less than thanks. The organisers didnt know that, so not a worry there.
This year I look forward to hearing what they are going to do for me for the cost of my entry fee.
Im suffering from a bit of charity fatigue, so if its nothing, thats ok & if thats the case then I can see me camped near a quiet river with the wife & kids, drinking a bit of piss & cooling off on boxing day.

[Fast Eddie]

hehe, can't he just buy black ones to start with gordy?

yea colored ones are fantastic, the agip bike actually already has red fake ones on the fuel lines and tank.. lovely.

Hopefully you can just buy stainless/silver fittings for fuel. The brake lines are just braided with silver/plain fittings.

Can pinch the oil lines off the spare motor for starters...

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[swarfie]

yea colored ones are fantastic, the agip bike actually already has red fake ones on the fuel lines and tank.. lovely.



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You're SICK :angry2::crazy::killingme

[swarfie]

What do you know about mechanical presentation anyway??

Hahahaha...the difference is that I MAKE my bling :cool:

[Fast Eddie]

You're SICK

haha I didn't put them on.. will take em off soon enough

[sidecar bob]

Hahahaha...the difference is that I MAKE my bling :cool:

Thats quite obvious, either that or you paid a bloke 2.4 million to build your sidecar.

[swarfie]

Last year myself & a couple of others spent a bloody fortune of our own money making sidecars a success for Cemetary Circiut, for less than thanks. The organisers didnt know that, so not a worry there.
This year I look forward to hearing what they are going to do for me for the cost of my entry fee.
Im suffering from a bit of charity fatigue, so if its nothing, thats ok & if thats the case then I can see me camped near a quiet river with the wife & kids, drinking a bit of piss & cooling off on boxing day.

Jo and I had a great time on Boxing Day Bob... thanks mate. There's a few unsung heroes out there that put a lot into the sport ..Thanks to you all :banana:

[bucket boy]

as for the line found some. (I come on here to kill time more than actually get answers.. google is much quicker than you lot) its pretty dear but not that bad, about 20-30 buck a foot prob only need 2 feet from tank to carbs.[/QUOTE]
are you doing it all in -6 cause its quite cheap its the fittings that work out dear you want to go to the decent brands like earls,fragola cause they last for ever and dont crack like trade me specials

[bucket boy]

Bloody kids these days. For uber gayness you are going to need the anodised fittings as well, a hose clip just wont cut it.

But dont they look great, and easy to undo when working on vehicles.

[bucket boy]

Then it'll REALLY look shite :brick: ...IMO those red n blue fittings look utter crap!!!
They do but the black ones now thats a different story.

[bucket boy]

Yep, thats why my little brain injured friend gets them stripped and reanodised black.

I buy them black,its just some of them arent done in black so I have to get them done.You know gordon its all about the looks.

[nodrog]

I buy them black,its just some of them arent done in black so I have to get them done.You know gordon its all about the looks.

Maybe you could donate a system to Kai, you must have piles of the stuff lyong around that you have forgotten about.

[sidecar bob]

Jo and I had a great time on Boxing Day Bob... thanks mate. There's a few unsung heroes out there that put a lot into the sport ..Thanks to you all :banana:

Cheers mate. But if they want to spit the dummy this year because we dont bend over backwards to make THEIR EVENT a success, they can suck my balls.

[Fast Eddie]

are you doing it all in -6 cause its quite cheap its the fittings that work out dear you want to go to the decent brands like earls,fragola cause they last for ever and dont crack like trade me specials
I wasn't sure on size yet, was just going to measure internal diameter of current hoses and try match that? Whats the standard for a 1000cc motorcycle engine.
Was looking at earls lines, -6 prob about 20 a meter eh? I don't need much length. Hadn't found fittings yet..


Hahahaha...the difference is that I MAKE my bling :cool:

made me some too ;) cheers!

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now I can have matching fairing mount hardware again :D

[Fast Eddie]

Maybe you could donate a system to Kai, you must have piles of the stuff lyong around that you have forgotten about.

.... :stupid:

always accepting donations..

[swarfie]

Cheers mate. But if they want to spit the dummy this year because we dont bend over backwards to make THEIR EVENT a success, they can suck my balls.

I hear what your'e saying. They treat the competitors badly IMO. I've seen it happen too often when events go from non or small profit Club affairs to "Lets fill our pockets" set-ups. At least the Classic Sidecars got some prize money last time (unlike the year before), albeit HALF or less than half than Paeroa, and I know we got a handout from a sponsor that came and gave it directly to all of us rather than risk it going into the organizers pockets...Thanks Ron.

I wonder what happened to the allotted prize money for the Robert Holden race that was cancelled? Okay it was bad luck due to the weather but I bet it wasn't donated to charity!

[bucket boy]

Maybe you could donate a system to Kai, you must have piles of the stuff lyong around that you have forgotten about.

the only thing I do with -6 is the radiator overflow.

[nodrog]

the only thing I do with -6 is the radiator overflow. he might want some -10 stuff to help drown it.

[sidecar bob]

.... :stupid:

always accepting donations..

To fix Pumba's trailer?

[Fast Eddie]

the only thing I do with -6 is the radiator overflow.
oh yea, what do you use for fuel line and oil line?


To fix Pumba's trailer?
lol what brought that up?
I already said I'd pay for it long ago.. haven't had a bill yet.. but will pay it when it comes no probs

[sidecar bob]

lol what brought that up?
I already said I'd pay for it long ago.. haven't had a bill yet.. but will pay it when it comes no probs

Sweet as.
I just thought it was probably the most important thing to get donations for. Im a gimp like that.

[nodrog]

Sweet as.
I just thought it was probably the most important thing to get donations for. Im a gimp like that.

thats not nearly as important as this

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6592992000/hFA4E51A5/

[Kickaha]

http://youtu.be/OAydtf_eDlE

[bucket boy]

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie;1130506731]oh yea, what do you use for fuel line and oil line?
-12 rockercover breathers, -10 tank to pump,-8 to motor and regs,-8 transmission oil lines,-6 return line from pumps to tank.

[nodrog]

http://www.sidecarshop.co.uk/website/index.php

[Kickaha]

The 1985 NZGP and Nationals circuit in Sydenham Christchurch
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Teams Entered were
#3 Howard Gregory/Tony Price Yamaha TZ750
#11 George White/Graeme Bellis Honda CB650
#17 John Kock/Ross Newton Kawasaki 1000
#27 Warwick Jamieson/Fred Urbanowicz Miss Piggy
#31 Warwick Snow/Vince Stew Kawasaki 1100
#59 John Hecker/Gary Hecker Suzuki 750
#61 Mo Haley/Barbara Wood Suzuki 1100
#68 Dick Leppard/Jim Goodin Suzuki 1100
#93 Andy Kippen/Anne Kippen Kawasaki 1000
#97 Kevin Wendt/C Dolph Suzuki 1100

This event was where I first saw sidecar racing and decided I'd have a go at racing them one day, I think it took another 16 years before I got the chance

[Fast Eddie]

The 1985 NZGP and Nationals circuit in Sydenham Christchurch
279219
Teams Entered were
#3 Howard Gregory/Tony Price Yamaha TZ750
#11 George White/Graeme Bellis Honda CB650
#17 John Kock/Ross Newton Kawasaki 1000
#27 Warwick Jamieson/Fred Urbanowicz Miss Piggy
#31 Warwick Snow/Vince Stew Kawasaki 1100
#59 John Hecker/Gary Hecker Suzuki 750
#61 Mo Haley/Barbara Wood Suzuki 1100
#68 Dick Leppard/Jim Goodin Suzuki 1100
#93 Andy Kippen/Anne Kippen Kawasaki 1000
#97 Kevin Wendt/C Dolph Suzuki 1100

This event was where I first saw sidecar racing and decided I'd have a go at racing them one day, I think it took another 16 years before I got the chance

+1 choice

must spread more rep

[scrivy]

This event was where I first saw sidecar racing and decided I'd have a go at racing them one day

Ever get to do it???:lol:

[Kickaha]

Ever get to do it???

Yeah I did thanks, from one end of the country to the other, ran at a couple of circuits no one else will ever get to have a go at, it's all been pretty good so far

[Grumph]

Kick and I both know who's got the ex George White chair. What he may not know is that there was a move going to put a unit 750 Triumph in it to make it "classic" eligible. It did after all originally have a Triumph in it...

If this pre 82 class is a runner the CB can stay. All that's got to happen is for me to find the time to go through the motor and set it up for petrol.

Given the difficulties of doing any kind of classic chair in the SI and my lack of time it may never happen.....

[sidecar bob]

Kevin Wendt's #97 was spongebobs centre hub outfit, recently sold to Barry Fane.
His passenger Charlie bult the first outfit Scrivy & I had in '87.

[scrivy]

Yeah I did thanks, from one end of the country to the other, ran at a couple of circuits no one else will ever get to have a go at, it's all been pretty good so far

There's a circuit in Kaitaia??? :eek5:

[nodrog]

There's a circuit in Kaitaia??? :eek5:

No but there is one in Kaikohe, they even made a doco about it.

[sidecar bob]

Yeah I did thanks, from one end of the country to the other, ran at a couple of circuits no one else will ever get to have a go at, it's all been pretty good so far

You even learned how to do handstands on the BMW. A paticularly distingushed career id say.

[scrivy]

You even learned how to do handstands on the BMW. A paticularly distingushed career id say.

He got that from watching the guys on the gay long bikes in England........

[nodrog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baWS_mxHVr8

[Kickaha]

What he may not know is that there was a move going to put a unit 750 Triumph in it to make it "classic" eligible. It did after all originally have a Triumph in it...
I knew it was under discussion,I had volunteered if it ever was going to make it North for the classic fest

You even learned how to do handstands on the BMW. A paticularly distingushed career id say.
More of a faceplant than a handstand

[Fast Eddie]

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Pressed the new bearing back into the swing arm, pressed the axle stub back into the bearing and swingarm. Minus the seals as we never managed to source replacements, not for lack of trying though!
Had cleaned up all the mating surfaces with emery paper (after a bit of de-rusting and smoothing off.. this bike doesn't look like its been taken apart in a long, long, looong time)

Re-greased all the cleaned up mating surfaces during the reassembly - 6 pivot points on the rear swingarm and suspension setup - all of which were very stiff and would stick in place before I took em off and cleaned em up.

Once all back on everything moved very free and smooth with very little friction.. so it was the moment of truth to reinstall the rear shock

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Chucked it in, blah - not much different. Still doesn't feel like it springs back properly. Its better than it was for sure, it rebounds a little bit. But thats probably more due to all the pivot points I cleaned and greased up rather than an improvement in the shock.

Since the bike shop said the shock is perfectly fine (I took it in and asked for them to rebuild it, they said its fine, moved the rebound adjuster 8 clicks and then gave it back) I will have a look at if anything is bent on the swingarm or something like that.. twisting it or something to make it stick. I dunno.. one of those things that will require a bit more f*cking around. there is nothing siezing up in the pivot points so its gotta be the shock itself or maybe something bent/twisted where the shock mounts..

Or maybe its just the way it is? need someone to look at it in the bike who knows their sidecar suspension setups.

[Fast Eddie]

Went over for a peek at what the Harris was up to.. his new toy..

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LCR carbon passenger tray, LCR (or copy) centre spindle hubs and wheels, and maybe a few more bits pinched or copied off LCR.
Motor was out, was making a funny noise and needs a lookin' at
Fairing and the bike in general needs a tidy up.. Harris is on the case! :)

His black bike was sitting in his shed too ontop of and under piles of stuff, he had the motor out too, one motor is sold for 2kish (the one he ran at nats) and a new (even gruntier maybe) motor is going into the black bike and is still for sale at around the 8k mark, he told Phil 7k not long ago and told me 8.5k yesterday. I'm sure he's open to offers ;)

[Drew]

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Pressed the new bearing back into the swing arm, pressed the axle stub back into the bearing and swingarm. Minus the seals as we never managed to source replacements, not for lack of trying though!
Had cleaned up all the mating surfaces with emery paper (after a bit of de-rusting and smoothing off.. this bike doesn't look like its been taken apart in a long, long, looong time)

Re-greased all the cleaned up mating surfaces during the reassembly - 6 pivot points on the rear swingarm and suspension setup - all of which were very stiff and would stick in place before I took em off and cleaned em up.

Once all back on everything moved very free and smooth with very little friction.. so it was the moment of truth to reinstall the rear shock

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Chucked it in, blah - not much different. Still doesn't feel like it springs back properly. Its better than it was for sure, it rebounds a little bit. But thats probably more due to all the pivot points I cleaned and greased up rather than an improvement in the shock.

Since the bike shop said the shock is perfectly fine (I took it in and asked for them to rebuild it, they said its fine, moved the rebound adjuster 8 clicks and then gave it back) I will have a look at if anything is bent on the swingarm or something like that.. twisting it or something to make it stick. I dunno.. one of those things that will require a bit more f*cking around. there is nothing siezing up in the pivot points so its gotta be the shock itself or maybe something bent/twisted where the shock mounts..

Or maybe its just the way it is? need someone to look at it in the bike who knows their sidecar suspension setups.
The shock is upside down it won't like the oil all trying to sit above the piston, and
being forced into the res.:lol:

[Kickaha]

The shock is upside down it won't like the oil all trying to sit above the piston, and
being forced into the res.:lol:

Some shocks that doesn't matter and they'll work anyway up

Looks like thats the way up it has always been and it's not as though it was a slow bike "back in the day"

[Drew]

Some shocks that doesn't matter and they'll work anyway up

Looks like thats the way up it has always been and it's not as though it was a slow bike "back in the day"

Is it the same shock? Who says it had to work well to go fast?

My theory is easy to test. Take the spring off, test it both ways. You Will need to bleed it by pushing it through it's stroke a few times both ways.

[Kickaha]

need someone to look at it in the bike who knows their sidecar suspension setups.
That counts out just about everyone in New Zealand

[Fast Eddie]

That counts out just about everyone in New Zealand

yea... sadly. Could make a bit of a video next time I'm in cheech and get it online on steves place or something..

Shock is the shame shock its had for a long time now. Front shock is mounted same way and similar or same unit. With the front - push it down, it springs up to where it was quickly. Rear doesn't spring back quite to where it was, but it does spring back now, before it just stuck at the bottom. Can't have the rebound wound all the way up on these or they sieze up apparently. I tried it out and it does seem to make it slow to move. Have it wound about halfway point at the moment. Had played with it at each click. Seems to like being wound right off the most.

Brakes are all back, rekitted - One front caliper was shagged and not viable to repair so will get a trademe special to replace it and a new disc. Rear and side discs were still thick and straight by eye.

Had new front wheel bearings for it haven't got around to the front swing arm etc yet. But should be on the track in a couple of weeks for a test

[bucket boy]

motor is going into the black bike and is still for sale at around the 8k mark, he told Phil 7k not long ago and told me 8.5k yesterday. I'm sure he's open to offers ;)[/QUOTE]

He might not like you as much as phil.

[Kickaha]

He might not like you as much as phil.

No one does

[Fast Eddie]

anyone need a rear wheel for their chair. Steel ofcourse.

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for a 5 stud hub, not for the agip bike but came with it. Not much use to me.

Good for wet/or spare or something maybe.

10 3/4" wideish Rim / 270mm ish I think, thats from outside of the lip to outside lip.

14" Rim diameter

Stud holes measure 110mm across from one hole to either of the two holes opposite it and measure 70mm from one hole to either one of the holes directly next to it. (you'd hope so or funny stud pattern eh)

Didn't measure center hole and it's a bit chilly to go back outside.

If no one has a need for it will chuck it at the dump in a week or so.

[Fast Eddie]

Wiped off some of the grease from the brake bias parts to have a look at why it didn't seem to actually control the bias between front and rear brake application.

I think I found the culprit; missing circlip maybe?

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While it was still in the bike I noticed that the whole adjuster bar just slopped around and moved pretty freely - after cleaning off some grease today from the disassembled bits I see there is a groove where a circlip probably should go that should hold that ball joint in place in the center of the adjuster bar...

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And once its slid into its housing in the pedal assembly it should all stay in one spot and be pretty tight. It wasn't before, but if I find a circlip for it and put it back together I recon it will probably work as it should?

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Rest of the bits need a bit of a clean up, but everything fits together pretty nice and tight so I think its all fine with most of the setup.

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This little pin here holds one of the linkages onto the lever that acts on the bias bar, and the pin is smaller than the hole drilled, this makes a little bit of slop too.. might be lucky to find a way to make a sleeve or spacer for it.. its not the hugest amount of play though.. but will give it a go to get rid of it.

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And also, when I was still in ChCh and putting the swingarm and stuff back on I cleaned off some grease where the brake pedal goes and noticed under all the grime was actually 2 roller bearings completely siezed up and covered in shit. Banged them out and will replace them as well as cleaning up the brake pedal shaft. That should give it a better feel and ofcourse can't hurt to have moving parts clean and friction free!

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[scrivy]

Pee hee hee......


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PnALsN6w1M

[nodrog]

Pretty choice video!!!

Pity you fucked it though, poor beemer.

[Kickaha]

Pity you fucked it though, poor beemer.
Yeah,how hard are those two fuckers on gear? it was going fine when they got it back

[nodrog]

Yeah,how hard are those two fuckers on gear? it was going fine when they got it back

Fuck i reckon. It also looked like it was abit of a haful, wonder what tyre pressures they were running?

[sidecar bob]

Fuck i reckon. It also looked like it was abit of a haful, wonder what tyre pressures they were running?

Some halfwit left them all wrong a month or two earlier & it really upset the thing.

[racer40]

Looked like a good battle with other 2 bikes

[nodrog]

Some halfwit left them all wrong a month or two earlier & it really upset the thing.

I heard that a multiple nz title winner suggested they were the best pressures to run, i think he is trying to cling to his lap records.

[sidecar bob]

Looked like a good battle with other 2 bikes

Yeah, im not sure weather it was actually a battle, or weather the guy on the yellow bike was taking the piss.
His name is Sandbag Lawrance, a wily old cat from way back that will stick one up the inside when you least expect it.

[Stirts]

from way back that will stick one up the inside when you least expect it.

Sounds like Sandbag Lawrance and nodrog have something in common. :pinch:

[Fast Eddie]

For any sidecars racing in the South Island:

Levels Raceway, Timaru;

KOL Rnd 1 May 18 (This was a HAGD but has been decided to make it KOL rnd 1 instead and just include a class of people that want to have a go)
KOL Rnd 2 July 13
KOL Rnd 3 Aug 17
KOL Rnd 4 Sept 14

KOR Rounds will start somewhere around Aug/September too if the last few seasons are anything to go by

See yas at KOL rnd 1 !!

Will be going out for some testing at Ruapuna soon, aiming for Friday 29 March - If anyone is keen to have a go in ChCh you're welcome to have a few laps. Maybe imdying wants another go :D or OAB

[Drew]

For any sidecars racing in the South Island:

Levels Raceway, Timaru;

KOL Rnd 1 May 18 (This was a HAGD but has been decided to make it KOL rnd 1 instead and just include a class of people that want to have a go)
KOL Rnd 2 July 13
KOL Rnd 3 Aug 17
KOL Rnd 4 Sept 14

KOR Rounds will start somewhere around Aug/September too if the last few seasons are anything to go by

See yas at KOL rnd 1 !!

Will be going out for some testing at Ruapuna soon, aiming for Friday 29 March - If anyone is keen to have a go in ChCh you're welcome to have a few laps. Maybe imdying wants another go :D or OABI see. You'll have a points lead since we're doing the Have a go day, wonder if we can beat you with one less round anyway.

[Fast Eddie]

I see. You'll have a points lead since we're doing the Have a go day, wonder if we can beat you with one less round anyway.

To finish first, first you must finish. Don't go backwards into any walls trying to beat me bro..

HAGD is in April anyway isn't it? whats the excuse May is a completely different month..

[Drew]

To finish first, first you must finish. Don't go backwards into any walls trying to beat me bro..

HAGD is in April anyway isn't it? whats the excuse May is a completely different month..

Have a go day is in May bro.

[swarfie]

To finish first, first you must finish. Don't go backwards into any walls trying to beat me bro..

HAGD is in April anyway isn't it? whats the excuse May is a completely different month..

No cheating now boys...HAGD is 4th May :nya:

[Drew]

No cheating now boys...HAGD is 4th May :nya:

No cheating required. His outfit is heavy as my wife's car, and makes little if any more power.

[swarfie]

No cheating required. His outfit is heavy as my wife's car, and makes little if any more power.

I've worked on it and I beg to differ...its bloody heavier than yor wife's car...that is unless she drives a Hummer:killingme:lol:

[Drew]

I've worked on it and I beg to differ...its bloody heavier than yor wife's car...that is unless she drives a Hummer:killingme:lol:

Hahahahahaha. True dat!

[Kickaha]

No cheating now boys...HAGD is 4th May :nya:

Kai is talking about the Canterbury HAGD which is for solo riding poofters (actually fuck knows what one he is talking about)

[Fast Eddie]

Right, that is it, I'm going to put my alloy back on.. and my light weight fairing

[Fast Eddie]

Kai is talking about the Canterbury HAGD which is for solo riding poofters (actually fuck knows what one he is talking about)

Nah I thought the Taupo HAGD and AGM meeting and all that was in April, my bad. (but yes, KOL Rnd 1 is replacing the Canterbury HAGD for solos)

Looking forward to seeing Harris's total span bike and Bruce aka Trenchy on the white long bike that Harris sold him.

[Fast Eddie]

...that is unless she drives a Hummer

she knows how to give one.. giggidy

[Kickaha]

Right, that is it, I'm going to put my alloy back on.. and my light weight fairing

You shouldn't need it to beat Drew, he always vasty over estimates just how good he really is

[Fast Eddie]

You shouldn't need it to beat Drew, he always vasty over estimates just how good he really is

Hehe, that and Harris will chew his ear off for so long about brake and engine setup he'll miss most of the starts.

[swarfie]

Right, that is it, I'm going to put my alloy back on.. and my light weight fairing

Oooooooowwwww...that'll make it light...hahahahaha...not ! :killingme

[Drew]

Hehe, that and Harris will chew his ear off for so long about brake and engine setup he'll miss most of the starts.

I have met Graham a couple times. He doesn't bother with the endless stories with me.

[jellywrestler]

Looked like a good battle with other 2 bikes

one of the best sidecar dices i've seen for years in fact

[Kickaha]

Will be going out for some testing at Ruapuna soon, aiming for Friday 29 March -

Easter Friday, I doubt it will be open

Talked to Goober last night he said to let him know, they're keen to come out

[Fast Eddie]

I have met Graham a couple times. He doesn't bother with the endless stories with me.
Give him time..


Easter Friday, I doubt it will be open
True, Didn't show up on my calendar. See how I go, maybe the Tuesday before or the Friday after easter.


Talked to Goober last night he said to let him know, they're keen to come out
Yip was planning to, be good for them to come and set their bike up and get ready to kick ass at KOL

[Kickaha]

See how I go, maybe the Tuesday before or the Friday after easter.
I am planning on doing that Tuesday with the Bucket

[Grumph]

I am planning on doing that Tuesday with the Bucket

Did you know there's a CAMS meeting the week prior to easter ?

[Fast Eddie]

I am planning on doing that Tuesday with the Bucket

You'll need someone there to help ya push it, incase it blows up again..

Cool, So thats Tuesday 26th March - I'll pencil it in :D (If anyone in chch wants to come out to Ruapuna on that date and have a couple fun laps on a sidecar you are more than welcome - no charge ;) )

[Danger Dave]

Just a quick update, the new ecu for the fuel injection system arrived today :clap: and so now we can finish rewiring it all up (damn speedway muppets :oi-grr:) it turns out the windle had been left in a tralier for well over 6 months and had started to deteriorate a lot more than expected but half the fun is bringing them back to life, with the help of Brett (PBF for those that know him) we'll have it all sorted very soon.

[scrivy]

Just a quick update, the new ecu for the fuel injection system arrived today :clap: and so now we can finish rewiring it all up (damn speedway muppets :oi-grr:) it turns out the windle had been left in a tralier for well over 6 months and had started to deteriorate a lot more than expected but half the fun is bringing them back to life, with the help of Brett (PBF for those that know him) we'll have it all sorted very soon.

Can't wait to see it. Fizzing at the bung hole yet??

[Danger Dave]

[QUOTE=scrivy;1130511584 Fizzing at the bung hole yet??[/QUOTE]

Thats a bit of a personal question haha, i'm big time excited about getting out on it :banana:, First outing will be at the HAGD, just trying to decided what sort of paint and graphics to apply now.

[sidecar bob]

just trying to decided what sort of paint and graphics to apply now.

Could I be so bold as to suggest cheap ones?
We had two show winning paint jobs on the 1300 & pinky done just prior to Christmas at the cost of one small fortune. Pinky is off to the painter tomorrow to be redone due to major damage. . . . & well, I dont really need to explain about the 1300.

[bucket boy]

Could I be so bold as to suggest cheap ones?
We had two show winning paint jobs on the 1300 & pinky done just prior to Christmas at the cost of one small fortune. Pinky is off to the painter tomorrow to be redone due to major damage. . . . & well, I dont really need to explain about the 1300.
gordie i hear is good at painting them with a can.

[Danger Dave]

it will be a cheap one, i'll be painting it myself in the drive way and a good friend is a signwriter who will be doing the grapics, just got to decide on the colours and designs

[jellywrestler]

it will be a cheap one, i'll be painting it myself in the drive way and a good friend is a signwriter who will be doing the grapics, just got to decide on the colours and designs

best do it on the grass, then the overspray won't be on your drive

[sidecar bob]

it will be a cheap one, i'll be painting it myself in the drive way and a good friend is a signwriter who will be doing the grapics, just got to decide on the colours and designs

Just a thought, A bright colour that none of the other sidecars is painted is always good, it makes you easy to pick out. That was the idea with the 1300, and pinky too i guess..
The commentator might give you more love that way.

[Fast Eddie]

We had two show winning paint jobs ...
What show?


best do it on the grass, then the overspray won't be on your drive
or Phils dads shed.. which is now yellow..
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[Fast Eddie]

.. new ecu for the fuel injection system(damn speedway muppets :oi-grr:)
haha, yip!


it turns out the windle had been left in a tralier for well over 6 months and had started to deteriorate .
yea poor thing. rub it

[Kickaha]

Did you know there's a CAMS meeting the week prior to easter ?

No I didn't but I will be at the World Speedway GP and then Taupo Nationals that weekend

[sidecar bob]

What show?


The show you how to crash properly.

[Kickaha]

The show you how to crash properly.

Sweet, you guys giving lessons on that now? Kai needs some because he barely scuffed his paint

[swarfie]

Sweet, you guys giving lessons on that now? Kai needs some because he barely scuffed his paint


Ahhh...was a bit more than "scuffed paint" eh Kai :brick::angry2:

I reckon you guys should stop painting them to make them look pretty...it only invites destruction:(

[Kickaha]

I reckon you guys should stop painting them to make them look pretty...it only invites destruction:(

Have you had a look at your own bike lately?

[scrivy]

Have you had a look at your own bike lately?

Chrome and polish is not paint............

[Kickaha]

Chrome and polish is not paint............

Shiny as all fuck counts as "pretty"

[scrivy]

Shiney as all fuck counts as "pretty"

Seen any shiney hookers up K rd??

[Kickaha]

Seen any shiney hookers up K rd??

I'll check when I'm there on the 23rd

[scrivy]

I'll check when I'm there on the 23rd

Shouldn't you be in Taupo on that day??

[scrivy]

Anybody good with cans of spraypaint??
Gordy needs his fairings done before Hampsters.

I reckon he should get the local taggers to do it......

(At least it would get done....) :whistle:

[Kickaha]

Shouldn't you be in Taupo on that day??

Nope, Speedway GP Saturday night and down to Taupo early Sunday

[bucket boy]

Anybody good with cans of spraypaint??
Gordy needs his fairings done before Hampsters.

I reckon he should get the local taggers to do it......

(At least it would get done....) :whistle:

Hes done them

[Kickaha]

Hes done them

Pics or it didn't happen

[scrivy]

Hes done them

Black primer is not painted...........:lol:

[bucket boy]

Black primer is not painted...........:lol:

its all one colour,bob says not to have a flash paint job.

[sidecar bob]

its all one colour,bob says not to have a flash paint job.

Flash is ok, expensive is dumb.

[nodrog]

Well i win the award for the ugliest sidecar, its fatter and blacker than Teenys self image.

[Fast Eddie]

Sweet, you guys giving lessons on that now? Kai needs some because he barely scuffed his paint
I scuffed it then touched it back up.. Contain yourself Warwick, I don't want any lessons from Bob and Weave, I don't think Nev will fix my bike a 2nd time..


Ahhh...was a bit more than "scuffed paint" eh Kai
I wouldn't know.. you did all the work! (thanks again though, I'm on the hunt for a new front brake rotor soon, as I warped the one u fixed :S)


Shiny as all fuck counts as "pretty"
I don't think I've seen a cleaner or prettier bike than Nevs ageing matchless ;)


Seen any shiney hookers up K rd??
Not since nev last took it for a spin up n down the rd


Well i win the award for the ugliest sidecar, its fatter and blacker than Teenys self image.
Ugliest Rider AND ugliest sidecar.. greedy c*nt

[old rig]

just thought i should put it out there sidecar 77 is up for sale

best to ring me and ask any questions

it has a 2008 zx10r motor that has run a big end

you can get my number from sidecar bob or scrivy

there is a pic on my profile of the sidecar

:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(

[Drew]

just thought i should put it out there sidecar 77 is up for sale

best to ring me and ask any questions

it has a 2008 zx10r motor that has run a big end

you can get my number from sidecar bob or scrivy

there is a pic on my profile of the sidecar

:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
How much for cash?

On a serious note though, any idea why it has run a bearing? I ask for purely selfish reasons of course, we pretty much copied your design for oil feeding and baffle.

[swarfie]

just thought i should put it out there sidecar 77 is up for sale

best to ring me and ask any questions

it has a 2008 zx10r motor that has run a big end

you can get my number from sidecar bob or scrivy

there is a pic on my profile of the sidecar

:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(


What...ur not abandoning ship are you Pate?

[Drew]

What...ur not abandoning ship are you Pate?

I'll do him aswap for a running ZX12 powered beast, for his outfit.

Just to keep him in the game like.

[scrivy]

I'll do him aswap for a running ZX12 powered beast, for his outfit.

Just to keep him in the game like.

My wifes getting tired...... Can I get a swap for her too??:lol:

[old rig]

My wifes getting tired...... Can I get a swap for her too??:lol:

i thought we swap after the racing is done:drool:

[old rig]

What...ur not abandoning ship are you Pate?

yep the cost has got to great for me

i will still be around to push start you :lol:

[sidecar bob]

just thought i should put it out there sidecar 77 is up for sale

best to ring me and ask any questions

it has a 2008 zx10r motor that has run a big end

you can get my number from sidecar bob or scrivy

there is a pic on my profile of the sidecar

:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(:(
Theres a sad face at my house about this too. You guys had some fantastic dices.

[Grumph]

yep the cost has got to great for me

i will still be around to push start you :lol:

Smokey Unick wrote that having a wet sump motor in a sprint car was like having a live snake in the cockpit with you...

As far as i know he never built any Kawasakis but I'm sure he would have come up with something equally colourful cos the damm things are a timebomb just waiting to do a crank.
We'll see how the dry sump motor I've just built for a rally car lasts....the last one broke but the owner says it was his fault....hmm maybe.
The owner is still talking about having the billet dry sump copied locally but he's having trouble finding someone with spare capacity to do it.

[swarfie]

Theres a sad face at my house about this too. You guys had some fantastic dices.

SAD faces all round....come on ya can't give up just like that:weep::weep::weep::weep::weep::weep:

Just show me what you want made for ya sump...I'll do it if it means you don't chuck the towel in:2thumbsup

[scrivy]

SAD faces all round....come on ya can't give up just like that:weep::weep::weep::weep::weep::weep:

Just show me what you want made for ya sump...I'll do it if it means you don't chuck the towel in:2thumbsup

I'll help towards the crank. Well get there little buddy.....

[Kickaha]

http://youtu.be/ixwN9xVCoKA

[Fast Eddie]

Video

awesome :clap:

[Drew]

awesome :clap:

I thought was a bit boring.

[Kickaha]

http://youtu.be/3728aDWF9tg

[Kickaha]

On a serious note though, any idea why it has run a bearing?
Because it isn't a Yamaha or a Suzuki both of which seem to handle sidecar use better than most other brands, although the Suzuki needs a sump done for it and the Yamaha doesn't

[scrivy]

Because it isn't a Yamaha or a Suzuki both of which seem to handle sidecar use better than most other brands, although the Suzuki needs a sump done for it and the Yamaha doesn't

I ran my ZX10 for 8 years.................:banana:

[sidecar bob]

It just needs a roller bearing crank '81 GSX1100 putting in it & it will be a class leading pre '82 outfit.

[Kickaha]

I ran my ZX10 for 8 years.................:banana:
Obviously you weren't allowed to touch the motor then, that's the one in Gordies bike? had a Kwaka in when I was on it as well and not ever a problem

It just needs a roller bearing crank '81 GSX1100 putting in it & it will be a class leading pre '82 outfit.
I was thinking about the whole pre82 thing because really I think that's the motor you'd want but you dont often see much of that up for sale anymore

Blew a GSX1100 at Teretonga, running second behind Sowersby, just passed the white flag, end of the straight rod out the front and big fireball

[Grumph]

How much for cash?

On a serious note though, any idea why it has run a bearing? I ask for purely selfish reasons of course, we pretty much copied your design for oil feeding and baffle.

Scrivy - you got a good (or lucky) one....

Even as road bikes some last and some don't. Having now seen the guts of a fair number, i can say that there is a lot of variation in how well the interior plumbing lines up with sundry holes. This has to affect oil flow.
In a chair you have the added fun of sideways G which the designer never contemplated.

Then you have the bastard historical Kawasaki design flaws....two bigends off one main for a start. Then (yes Drew yours has got it) there's the bolt in main bearing alongside the primary drive which is fed by a twisted piece of small ID pipe....which doesn't EVER line up with the holes feeding the bearing shell...

I'm only surprised that some of them did last. Warwick, I'd reckon that the shorter SI circuits may have helped the Hooper fleet - but he did a crank or two I think.

[old rig]

Scrivy - you got a good (or lucky) one....

Even as road bikes some last and some don't. Having now seen the guts of a fair number, i can say that there is a lot of variation in how well the interior plumbing lines up with sundry holes. This has to affect oil flow.
In a chair you have the added fun of sideways G which the designer never contemplated.

Then you have the bastard historical Kawasaki design flaws....two bigends off one main for a start. Then (yes Drew yours has got it) there's the bolt in main bearing alongside the primary drive which is fed by a twisted piece of small ID pipe....which doesn't EVER line up with the holes feeding the bearing shell...

I'm only surprised that some of them did last. Warwick, I'd reckon that the shorter SI circuits may have helped the Hooper fleet - but he did a crank or two I think.

i don't under stand "two big ends off one main" as there is 5 main bearings and 4 big ends

i use to own the motor that scrviy ran for 8 years and its made so well no wonder he did so well on it broke every lap record in nz (i could be wrong)im sure i will be told strait we did well as well for a 1989 motor it would keep up with gsxr's and bet them
i have been talking with a guy in aussie that runs a 2008 zx10r and he dosen't run big end i think it ran one as we got the crank welded the 1st time it did it and i would say the weld has failed

[Drew]

Then you have the bastard historical Kawasaki design flaws....two bigends off one main for a start. Then (yes Drew yours has got it) there's the bolt in main bearing alongside the primary drive which is fed by a twisted piece of small ID pipe....which doesn't EVER line up with the holes feeding the bearing shell...

I think I need to see a picture of said bolt on oil feed. I can't find it in our manual, or motor, but I must be looking in the wrong place.

[Grumph]

i don't under stand "two big ends off one main" as there is 5 main bearings and 4 big ends

i use to own the motor that scrviy ran for 8 years and its made so well no wonder he did so well on it broke every lap record in nz (i could be wrong)im sure i will be told strait we did well as well for a 1989 motor it would keep up with gsxr's and bet them
i have been talking with a guy in aussie that runs a 2008 zx10r and he dosen't run big end i think it ran one as we got the crank welded the 1st time it did it and i would say the weld has failed

that's quite possible - no arguments here.

the two big ends off one main refers to the oiling arrangements on those cranks - if you have a look at the bare cranks, you'll see that only two mains feed the big ends - two big ends fed off each of those mains.
Yamaha did this on some motors too - Suzuki has always been one big end fed per main as has the dark side (Honda)
there's very little wrong with the Kawa heads and cam drives, they can make a shitload of power - but the cranks are always the weak point.

As an aside i got a couple of ZX10 cranks welded back when Summit Eng were doing it - neither lasted very long at all.
Like Suzuki, when you run a big end on these, you almost invariably crack the crank too.

[scrivy]

Obviously you weren't allowed to touch the motor then, that's the one in Gordies bike? had a Kwaka in when I was on it as well and not ever a problem
I was told to go get the beer when it was rebuilt................ Bastards.....


I was thinking about the whole pre82 thing because really I think that's the motor you'd want but you dont often see much of that up for sale anymore
Blew a GSX1100 at Teretonga, running second behind Sowersby, just passed the white flag, end of the straight rod out the front and big fireball

Behind Sowersby?? WTF?? Behind an old geriatric man who hadn't raced for 23 years??? Why hadn't you lapped him???
:oi-grr:

[Kickaha]

Behind Sowersby?? WTF?? Behind an old geriatric man who hadn't raced for 23 years??? Why hadn't you lapped him???
:oi-grr:

Hadn't raced for 23 years? fuck off knob he'd been racing a lot more recently than that

[scrivy]

Hadn't raced for 23 years? fuck off knob he'd been racing a lot more recently than that

Ummmmm.... he's the 1978 NZ Sidecar Champ!! .........and old enough to be your dad.........

Bt he's still faster than you, and can probably eat more pies than you too............ er...... followed down with bourbon!!! :banana:

[scrivy]

i don't under stand "two big ends off one main" as there is 5 main bearings and 4 big ends

i use to own the motor that scrviy ran for 8 years and its made so well no wonder he did so well on it broke every lap record in nz (i could be wrong)im sure i will be told strait we did well as well for a 1989 motor it would keep up with gsxr's and bet them
i have been talking with a guy in aussie that runs a 2008 zx10r and he dosen't run big end i think it ran one as we got the crank welded the 1st time it did it and i would say the weld has failed

Yo duck liver....... Don't flick ya rig. Pull the fuckin thing down, check the crank and rod. I put my money on the weld job. Chuck in a new crank and bits, and leave the sump as it is. Cheapish fix, and you're out there again having fun....... Well more fun than I'm having......:weep::weep::weep: Fucked mine into a container, then blew up the BMW on my first time out in 3 years.......:weep::weep::weep:
I can tell you what Darren, it SUCKS to watch the racing.......:(

[Deano]

I can tell you what Darren, it SUCKS to watch the racing.......:(
Wanganui 2012 was so boring for me.....really needed a couple of dozen to keep me going. MUch better to be out there doing it !

[Kickaha]

Ummmmm.... he's the 1978 NZ Sidecar Champ!! .........and old enough to be your dad.....

What's your point dickhead? you said he hadn't raced for 23 years when I was racing against him, you were wrong as you so often are

[Drew]

Bloody hell. Must he the weather or something, agro levels are very high around here these days.

[nodrog]

So much anger

[sidecar bob]

I like kittens. . . . and rimjobs.

[koba]

Sorry to interject in a conversation about kittens and rimjobs but...

Is there any general wisdom or guidelines on where sidecar wheels should sit in relation to each other?

Are the front and rear wheels generally in line or area they offset somewhat?

Anyone got some dimensions or a plan, even rough as all hell?

[Danger Dave]

Have a look at this link, you will find all you need to know.

http://mnz.edev.co.nz/docs/rules/2012_moms_chapter_27_sidecar_road_racing_secificat ions.pdf?sfvrsn=2

[koba]

Have a look at this link, you will find all you need to know.

http://mnz.edev.co.nz/docs/rules/2012_moms_chapter_27_sidecar_road_racing_secificat ions.pdf?sfvrsn=2

Cool, that's helpful as it gives some minimum and maximum dimensions but does anyone have some ideal numbers?

[sidecar bob]

Cool, that's helpful as it gives some minimum and maximum dimensions but does anyone have some ideal numbers?

A rough description of the type of machine & I could get you fairly close.
Short,? long? F1 or F2?

[koba]

A rough description of the type of machine & I could get you fairly close.
Short,? long? F1 or F2?

Bucket:o


tenchar

[Fast Eddie]

Cool, that's helpful as it gives some minimum and maximum dimensions but does anyone have some ideal numbers?

34 is ideal..

here are the blue prints to my chair, you have my permission to copy them;

279842

[koba]

Seriously though, I was looking at a bucket 'long' rig, of the type that most of the running rigs are build from and I noticed how out of line the rear wheel and front are, their center-lines are quite far apart.

Most of the bikes out there are long bikes, I've only seen one short one and it's quite an intricate build given the scale.

It's an interesting subject as sidecars are so, well, different.
I'm musing over what makes them good and/or bad.

I had another swing and a drive (if that's what you call it) in the weekend and had a real laugh, even pranging it was fun.
It's really cool being on something that is so fun where there is so much scope for refinement, it made me want to do laps all day.

So yeah, basically any wisdom on construction and proportions would be interesting to mull over.

[Fast Eddie]

Is there any general wisdom or guidelines on where sidecar wheels should sit in relation to each other?
yes there is.


Are the front and rear wheels generally in line or area they offset somewhat?
up to you but there is a maximum offset you can have. can't have a trike. generally front and rear inline(ish)


Anyone got some dimensions or a plan, even rough as all hell?
yip, attached my blueprints.. ;)

There is heaps online, check out and have a search on www.steveenglish.com or the link Danger Dave chucked up or google up a storm on manufacturers like LCR, Windle, Baker, DMR and so on.

Find yourself a someone whos built a couple sidecars for good advice.. Is Blaymires on old kiwibiker?

must be a couple builders in nz or track down our kiwi legend Mo Haley..

here's a video of him talkin sidecars:

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I also made and gave out a bunch of copies of a sidecar dvd at the bazza last year which went into setup of bikes, building techniques etc its pretty cool. Maybe someone on here can swing ya a copy or I can burn off another one and send it to you. Think its called On Any Other Sunday

[koba]

34 is ideal..

here are the blue prints to my chair, you have my permission to copy them;

279842

:lol::killingme

Some suggested design improvements, see attached pic.279843

[koba]

All that stuff above


Cheers, that will keep me busy for a while.

[nodrog]

I like kittens. . . . and rimjobs.

Im telling the spca

[sidecar bob]

Bucket:o


tenchar


Oh, sweet, that should be on my bucket list then.

[Fast Eddie]

:lol::killingme

Some suggested design improvements, see attached pic...

haha the rockets look fast, I'll take those.

[Kickaha]

Bloody hell. Must he the weather or something, agro levels are very high around here these days.


So much anger

Fuck up or I'll smash the pair of you:mad:

Not enough entries as yet to run a sidecar class at Taupo or a few of the others
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/157276-Superbike-Championship-Round-5?p=1130514132#post1130514132


It's all here: http://www.vicclub.co.nz/nationals_entries.php

At the time of writing:
8 125 GP
6 250 Production
8 Superlite
4 Development
1 Open (F1 & F2)
9 Protwins
5 Sidecars
6 Superbike
14 Supersport 600

Entries Close on Thursday (deadline reqd for programme printing - it will be printed not a photocopied booklet).

[sidecar bob]

I had Andrew from Vic club on the Phn a few nights ago. We had a quick head count of who hasnt entered yet that is going too & we will be fine. They just need to send their entries off now.
I guess gordy will enter when his tag & logbook arrive from Kurdistan. I put the paperwork through to MNZ a week ago, fuck knows what takes so long to drop something in a courier bag from Huntly.

[Kickaha]

I had Andrew from Vic club on the Phn a few nights ago. We had a quick head count of who hasnt entered yet that is going too & we will be fine. They just need to send their entries off now.

Thank fuck for that, I dont want to waste my time coming to that event just to watch Superbikes and other solo shit riding around

[nodrog]

Fucksakes, Im just checking my lotto ticket,

http://sd.keepcalm-o-matic.co.uk/i/keep-calm-and-masturbate-to-a-tree.png

[sidecar bob]

Bo hoo. We are very sad. . . .http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-570861896.htm

[Kickaha]

Bo hoo. We are very sad. . . .http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-570861896.htm

That is a real shame

[wildman]

Seriously though, I was looking at a bucket 'long' rig, of the type that most of the running rigs are build from and I noticed how out of line the rear wheel and front are, their center-lines are quite far apart.

Most of the bikes out there are long bikes, I've only seen one short one and it's quite an intricate build given the scale.

It's an interesting subject as sidecars are so, well, different.
I'm musing over what makes them good and/or bad.

I had another swing and a drive (if that's what you call it) in the weekend and had a real laugh, even pranging it was fun.
It's really cool being on something that is so fun where there is so much scope for refinement, it made me want to do laps all day.

So yeah, basically any wisdom on construction and proportions would be interesting to mull over.

I'm sure the bucket rules cover the dimensions, if not give Brenton a yell he pretty much knows all the specs by heart. Don't think we got your crash on video so we might have to get you to do it again, it looked awsome from where i was standing. I take it the short one with the intricate build your talking about is my hub centre steering one. It was built off a set of LCR plans and scaled down but yeah is a bit of a challenge to set up. Will have it at Tokoroa if you want to measure it and take photos. There are a couple of other short type chairs under rebuild which should be up and running in another month.

[koba]

I'm sure the bucket rules cover the dimensions, if not give Brenton a yell he pretty much knows all the specs by heart. Don't think we got your crash on video so we might have to get you to do it again, it looked awsome from where i was standing. I take it the short one with the intricate build your talking about is my hub centre steering one. It was built off a set of LCR plans and scaled down but yeah is a bit of a challenge to set up. Will have it at Tokoroa if you want to measure it and take photos. There are a couple of other short type chairs under rebuild which should be up and running in another month.

Ill try to remember to put the tape measure in the Van! :banana:

[Fast Eddie]

Good luck to all the sidecar teams racing this weekend at hampton downs!

If you are stuck at home like me, follow the weekends action on http://www.livetiming.co.nz/

[Kickaha]

Practice 1 Sidecars. Hampton Downs top ten
1 93 Aaron Lovell/ Dennis Simonson 00:01:11.743
2 4 Spike Taylor/ Astrid Hartnell 00:01:14.643
3 18 Barry Smith/ Robbie Shorter 00:01:15.375
4 45 Grant Waters/ Matt Gibbs 00:01:16.463
5 111 Peter Goodwin/ Darren Prentis 00:01:19.054
6 16 Michael (Burt) Wolland/ Maxine Skilton 00:01:20.641
7 28 Tracey Bryan/ Jo Mickleson 00:01:21.372
8 41 Chris Lawrance/ Richard Lawrance 00:01:22.795
9 2 Adam Unsworth/ Stu Dawe 00:01:22.943
10 84 Corey Winter/ Tim Shepherd 00:01:23.282

I'm guessing the Lawrances and Adam/Stu are scrubbing tyres in that session as it's a lot slower than they'd normally do

[Fast Eddie]

#NZSBK Q2 Sidecars from Hampton Downs
1 2 Adam Unsworth/ Stu Dawe 00:01:12.513
2 93 Aaron Lovell/ Dennis Simonson 00:01:12.617
3 41 Chris Lawrance/ Richard Lawrance 00:01:14.342
4 18 Barry Smith/ Robbie Shorter 00:01:14.793 SSR1000
5 4 Spike Taylor/ Astrid Hartnell 00:01:15.404
6 28 Tracey Bryan/ Jo Mickleson 00:01:19.180
7 50 Des James/ Warren Miller 00:01:20.358 LCR R1 Yamaha
8 111 Peter Goodwin/ Darren Prentis 00:01:21.331
9 84 Corey Winter/ Tim Shepherd 00:01:21.716
10 76 Bruce Roberts/ Jim Bilby 00:01:24.110 Shelbourne Suzuki 600
11 19 Alex MacDonald/ Glen Mcdonald 00:01:24.450
12 47 Barry Fane/ Aida Gulbransen 00:01:30.878
13 69 Gordie McKeown/ Tina Stirton 00:01:35.471

With Grant Waters/Matt Gibbs a DNQ - waiting for find out why they didn't make that session, as well as Burt Wolland/Maxing Skilton a DNQ, waiting to find out problems going on there.

Those two will start from back of the grid I'm guessing, should be some interesting racing especially with those 2 faster bikes fighting through the field! this is going to be good!

also.. 15 sidecars entered.. thats more than superbikes :D go sidecars!

UPDATE: Grant Waters/Matt Gibbs are experiencing electrical and or battery issues and the engine will not start or run.. they are working on it.
Burt Wolland/Maxine Skilton had a flat tyre and missed the qualifying. Hopefully they sort the tyre out before race 1 approx 3pm

[Fast Eddie]

#NZSBK Sidecars Race 1.Hampton Downs
1 93 Aaron Lovell/ Dennis Simonson
2 41 Chris Lawrance/ Richard Lawrance
3 18 Barry Smith/ Robbie Shorter
4 4 Spike Taylor/ Astrid Hartnell
5 50 Des James/ Warren Miller
6 28 Tracey Bryan/ Jo Mickleson
7 84 Corey Winter/ Tim Shepherd
8 19 Alex MacDonald/ Glen Mcdonald
9 76 Bruce Roberts/ Jim Bilby
10 2 Adam Unsworth/ Stu Dawe 00:01:19.278
11 16 Michael (Burt) Wolland/ Carl Venimore
12 69 Gordie McKeown/ Tina Stirton
13 45 Grant Waters/ Matt Gibbs DNF
14 111 Peter Goodwin/ Darren Prentis DNF

EDIT 15 47 Barry Fane/Aida Gulbransen DNS?DNF - Not sure what happened here but notice they were not in the race or on the list... not sure what happened

That was probably the best race I have watched from NZ sidecar racing from the last few years! Fantastic dice for 1st between Lovell and Unsworth, a shame Unsworth came into some problems and had to drop off, Also a great dice there between the Pirate and Grant Waters, a shame they both DNF.. 2nd place is up for grabs! 1st is sitting with Spike for now if he can keep it together and keep finishing..

Can't wait for tomorrow!

[Fast Eddie]

Hampton Downs Sidecar Race Result Sunday R1:
• 1 93 Aaron Lovell/ Dennis Simonson
• 2 2 Adam Unsworth/ Stu Dawe
• 3 45 Grant Waters/ Matt Gibbs
• 4 4 Spike Taylor/ Astrid Hartnell
• 5 84 Corey Winter/ Tim Shepherd
• 6 76 Bruce Roberts/ Jim Bilby
• 7 28 Tracey Bryan/ Jo Mickleson
• 8 47 Barry Fane/ Aida Gulbransen

Farm boys went well, Pinky was at the back of the pack for most of the race but must have pulled finger on the closing lap to claim next spot up. Their fastest lap time was quicker than farm boys though so not sure what they were up to or why it took them a while to get warmed up.

Lawrances looked to have pulled out after 1 lap - Saving themselves for the TT as Kick reports from the track.

Grant managed to catch up and pass Spike during the race.

Rest of the bikes DNS due to not having wet tyres (pour water on em, I know!)

All n all a nice little pootle around in the wet... next race coming up in an hourish I think.

[clmintie]

Had to throw this pic in here, RESPECT.. :2thumbsup




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[Fast Eddie]

Had to throw this pic in here, RESPECT.. :2thumbsup

you wouldn't believe the swinger worked for McDonalds eh? you'd think she'd be much fatter.. and keep that chair down haha

[Fast Eddie]

RED FLAGGED NZTT Sidecar TT 5 to GO.
▲ 1 93 Aaron Lovell/ Dennis Simonson
• 2 4 Spike Taylor/ Astrid Hartnell
• 3 2 Adam Unsworth/ Stu Dawe
▲ 4 45 Grant Waters/ Matt Gibbs
• 5 18 Barry Smith/ Robbie Shorter
▲ 6 28 Tracey Bryan/ Jo Mickleson
▼ 7 69 Gordie McKeown/ Tina Stirton
• 8 84 Corey Winter/ Tim Shepherd


NZ Sidecar TT. Part 2
• 1 93 Aaron Lovell/ Dennis Simonson
• 2 2 Adam Unsworth/ Stu Dawe
• 3 4 Spike Taylor/ Astrid Hartnell
▲ 4 45 Grant Waters/ Matt Gibbs
▼ 5 41 Chris Lawrance/ Richard Lawrance
• 6 28 Tracey Bryan/ Jo Mickleson
• 7 69 Gordie McKeown/ Tina Stirton
• 8 84 Corey Winter/ Tim Shepherd
• 9 19 Alex MacDonald/ Glen Mcdonald
• 10 50 Des James/ Warren Miller
• 11 76 Bruce Roberts/ Jim Bilby

With Grant Waters passing the Lawrances just before they crossed the line under checkered flag.

Before the red flag there was some good racing by the farm boys chasing pinky, looking to pass at some parts just before the flag. Bit more spread out field after restart.

[sidecar bob]

Hows Gordys form. Tracey only beat him by half a bike length in the last race. :lol:

[swarfie]

Hows Gordys form. Tracey only beat him by half a bike length in the last race. :lol:

Less than that as I recall ;):lol::killingme

[Stirts]

Hows Gordys form. Tracey only beat him by half a bike length in the last race. :lol:


Less than that as I recall ;):lol::killingme

That's some damn fine racing right there!! :killingme

[Danger Dave]

That was some very cool racing to watch, does anyone know how the pair are that hit the wall in race 2 - part 1?

[sidecar bob]

That was some very cool racing to watch, does anyone know how the pair are that hit the wall in race 2 - part 1?

Swinger has broken collarbone & a few bruises, Rider is fine.

[sidecar bob]

That's some damn fine racing right there!! :killingme

Spaces avaliable starting from $500.

[Fast Eddie]

That's some damn fine racing right there!! :killingme

You guys were so quick, couldn't even see you on camera!

gordys bike needs to be brighter colors.. hard to see on tv..

go fluro lime green - its a kwaka isnt it?

[Fast Eddie]

That was some very cool racing to watch, does anyone know how the pair are that hit the wall in race 2 - part 1?

Will I be watching the windle in action this weekend in Taupo? or not ready yet?

[sidecar bob]

You guys were so quick, couldn't even see you on camera!

gordys bike needs to be brighter colors.. hard to see on tv..

go fluro lime green - its a kwaka isnt it?

I agree. Matt black blends in with the track badly.

[Danger Dave]

Will I be watching the windle in action this weekend in Taupo? or not ready yet?

Nah still not ready yet, i'm waiting for the brother in law to finish modifiying the fuel tank, hopefully have it back this week then still need to tidy up the body work.

[Fast Eddie]

Nah still not ready yet, i'm waiting for the brother in law to finish modifiying the fuel tank, hopefully have it back this week then still need to tidy up the body work.

Ah well, you have a bit of time then. HAGD maybe or the Barry Sheene ;)

Or feel free to drag it back south and race with us over the winter :D

[Shotted]

I was there on practice day only, and probably got more shots of sidecars than anything else.....well, you do don't you!
Here is a selection. There are others who may have been shot if anyone wants to ask.
They are all from 2 viewpoints because in 1 practice session you can't get about in time.
If you want a higher res. image better for getting printed yourself, email me. No charge-

oink@inspire.net.nz


(If anyone is interested in photography, I used a Canon 1DIII + 400mm F5.6 lens)
Cheers,
Don


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[Kickaha]

Fantastic shots

[racer40]

Fantastic shots

Aida has more than just a cracked collerbone, looks like pelvis injuries as well, in ward 10 middlemore for a week. Barry also very sore after contact with wall, and has a week off. they were the 3rd bike to spin on that corner in that race i beleive.

[Kickaha]

they were the 3rd bike to spin on that corner in that race i beleive.
So who else went around? does anyone owe beer?

[sidecar bob]

Seriously, theres a hell of a lot of sense in jumping off a sidecar at the right moment, you just need to know when that moment arrives.

[scrivy]

Seriously, theres a hell of a lot of sense in jumping off a sidecar at the right moment, you just need to know when that moment arrives.

Container your self Bob....

[scrivy]

FARK!!!!!

Just got home from work, and there's a great big white trailer in my drive with a Windle in it!!!

Santa does love me afterall!!! :2thumbsup

Time for my leathers and a few skids up the road................. :banana:

[Kickaha]

FARK!!!!!

Just got home from work, and there's a great big white trailer in my drive with a Windle in it!!!

Santa does love me afterall!!! :2thumbsup

Time for my leathers and a few skids up the road................. :banana:

Always knew you were a closet long bike lover

[nodrog]

So who else went around? does anyone owe beer?

We threw it away there in saturday pratice. But my awesome skill and inabilty to cook meant that all that happened was a 360 mid track without stopping.

[sidecar bob]

FARK!!!!!

Just got home from work, and there's a great big white trailer in my drive with a Windle in it!!!

Santa does love me afterall!!! :2thumbsup

Time for my leathers and a few skids up the road................. :banana:

No, really!! Does Danger Dave love us that much??!! Thats the only windle im interested in.

[Kickaha]

We threw it away there in saturday pratice. But my awesome skill and inabilty to cook meant that all that happened was a 360 mid track without stopping.

No doubt about it mate you're a riding God, you could teach that Scrivy a thing or two

[sidecar bob]

No doubt about it mate you're a riding God, you could teach that Scrivy a thing or two

Unlike you south island gimps that thought a sidecar with 10 mm of lead (the opposite of trail) handled pretty good.