Sidecar Racing

[Grumph]

haha! you can take the Agip bike for a ride tho, I wont make you swing ;) Ask kick.. im a bit rough!
I'd be keen to see what you think of the bikes chassis and setup. What should be improved/changed.. how it handles.. I think its great but I don't know any better haha.. it might actually handle a bit dodgy!

and yip when i get to chch end of the week I'll pull aux caliper off and see if still dragging :D churr, glad u r still comin down.. u sure u dont want us to hassle harris for one of his bikes for south island rounds and then pinch agip bike for north island rounds or something?

Kai - didn't you say somewhere that the line for that brake was too close to the headers ? if the fliud is being heated it will expand and the brake wil drag, heating it more etc - vicious circle....

Scrivy - look forward to meeting you on the Friday. We'll talk pedal boxes....

[scrivy]

Kai - didn't you say somewhere that the line for that brake was too close to the headers ? if the fliud is being heated it will expand and the brake wil drag, heating it more etc - vicious circle....
Wouldn't it 'vent' back through the cylinder to reduce pressure?

Scrivy - look forward to meeting you on the Friday. We'll talk pedal boxes....
Feckin Oath!

[scrivy]

Looked like some sort of anal torture tool for chair riders? :eek5:

Don't know what you mean..... But..... what the feck do you know about them???
I reckon deep down you're a dirty old tricycle pirate in disguise..... :yes::pinch:

[Kickaha]

something drags on the front wheel for sure.. its what AJ and I were looking at after first practice...
Strip and clean the caliper

[scrivy]

Strip and clean the caliper

Why does he have to clean the caliper naked?? Are you gunna watch and take pics???

[Kickaha]

Why does he have to clean the caliper naked?? Are you gunna watch and take pics???

To avoid getting his clothes dirty, Ella said she'd do the video and pics

[scrivy]

To avoid getting his clothes dirty, Ella said she'd do the video and pics

Aha! Makes sense now!

[Tony.OK]

I reckon deep down you're a dirty old tricycle pirate in disguise..... :yes::pinch:

I did have a go on the Pink rig last year (would've liked more laps but the Mrs got bored as it was her birthday weekend in Taup's haha), liked it and thought about one but having no friends only leaves me with the choice of riding a solo!

[Kickaha]

thought about one but having no friends only leaves me with the choice of riding a solo!
Scrivys in the same situation and he gets by alright

[Grumph]

Strip and clean the caliper

And check the m/c CAN vent - wouldn't be the first one with the venting arrangements blocked...

Scrivy - opened the file - slowly as I must on dialup - and had time to see IMBED Package.....and started wondering just what damage you'd done to Bob....

Then it opened properly....yes, some sort of travel limiter for the balance bar wouldn't be hard to do - leave enough movement to operate both brakes normally but if one fails that side would go on the limiter and you'd still have the other.

[jellywrestler]

Does Tracey know you call her Santa Claus?



Did you forget about turn 12 at Taupo? no, it's one eight of the length of the straight and there's the same amount of run of past the corner as there is at Wanganui...

[scrivy]

liked it and thought about one, but having no friends only leaves me with the choice of riding a solo!

Is that where the term 'Solo poofters' comes from???.......

[jellywrestler]

through a scrivy on the fire..... Fuck that would've smelt worse than an Anchovies Fanny!

[Tony.OK]

Is that where the term 'Solo poofters' comes from???.......

Nah poofters generally have many friends...............Solo riders don't need/have a mate to sit behind them and tell them ya bum don't look big in those leathers :nya:

I think I'll hush now, Drew's promised me a ride on his rig and the more I say the faster my "off" will be hahaa..........

[jellywrestler]

Nah poofters generally have many friends............... True that, they have so many friends you could almost say they've got mates coming out of their arse

[scrivy]

Then it opened properly....yes, some sort of travel limiter for the balance bar wouldn't be hard to do - leave enough movement to operate both brakes normally but if one fails that side would go on the limiter and you'd still have the other.

That should be do-able.
But in essence, if the pedal or its components (lever/rodends/bias bars/reservours) were to bend/snap/break or leak empty, then we'd still have no brakes.
I still think an independent lever/pedal system is the best course to take, as well as an updated brake pedal box design.

[Fast Eddie]

To be honest, right now my left leg is still too sore to kneel in a sidecar.... Probably will be by next weekend too....

Thanks for the offer of your chair, but that's not how I operate. As you know, I'm a giver, not a taker. There's no chance I'd take a toy off someone else so I could have fun at their expense. I'd rather watch you going round. (I was gunna say 'going hard' - but flagged that thought - 'cause I knew Kick would come back with a gaybo comment....)
naw.. well the offer is there if you change your mind, I can't see myself being able to afford north island round, I didn't realise they were even dearer than south. Will give Paeroa a crack tho! so Agip bike will be up here if you want it :D gwaarn.. would be good to see it n the hands of a good rider.


Kai - didn't you say somewhere that the line for that brake was too close to the headers ? if the fliud is being heated it will expand and the brake wil drag, heating it more etc - vicious circle.....
yip, brake lines run right over/infront of the headers.. thought it was a very strange place to have them go but I think there is no other place for them.. will look at it in chch


To avoid getting his clothes dirty, Ella said she'd do the video and pics
haha..
yip well get nekkid and look at the brakes, prob chuck a new kit through all master cyls and calipers and fresh fluid again. can't hurt!

[Fast Eddie]

Onboard Team Agip

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[nodrog]

.....I think you'll find most other rigs are the same too.....

Mine is similar but different.





no, it's one eight of the length of the straight and there's the same amount of run of past the corner as there is at Wanganui...

potato potatoe


Onboard Team Agip

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lol, good plan, complain about sticking brakes early in thread before posting up your vid. You are smart.

[Drew]

Nah poofters generally have many friends...............Solo riders don't need/have a mate to sit behind them and tell them ya bum don't look big in those leathers :nya:

I think I'll hush now, Drew's promised me a ride on his rig and the more I say the faster my "off" will be hahaa..........Come to the hillclimb then. You can have a hoon up there with us. Bring the thou!

[Fast Eddie]

lol, good plan, complain about sticking brakes early in thread before posting up your vid. You are smart.

ah! you're onto me..

one of the wheels fell off too but it doesn't show on the video.. that slowed me down a bit. :(

na.. I just got tired n dropped the pace as the laps went by. I really need to get on a mountain bike or back in the gym or something..

the bike aint perfect tho! try using that throttle for more than a lap.. arm pump thats wassup. broken finger added to the work the right arm had to do. I was fucked after a lap and sweating like a whore in gordys basement.

really wanna change my seating position too.. couple of braking points the bike would weave and i thought i would pop out of the seat!

heaps of fun tho!!

[Drew]

Fucken hell that's a lot of bloody excuses!

[Kickaha]

Fucken hell that's a lot of bloody excuses!

Scrivy has been training him, if me and Gordy put a bit more effort in we could beat him on the BMW, it'd probably only take 1 less missed gear change a lap by Gordy to do it

[Drew]

Gordy and I

Fixed that for ya.

[Weaver]

some sort of travel limiter for the balance bar wouldn't be hard to do - leave enough movement to operate both brakes normally but if one fails that side would go on the limiter and you'd still have the other.

The Tilton master cylinders that we have has a full stroke (when they bottom out) of 25mm. At 25mm of lonesome travel, the balance bar will be on quite the piss, which it should be designed to not allow. Regardless of this, when one bottoms out, it should then pivot off that and operate the other one provided you have enough lever travel no? Looking at our outfit, that's going to be heaps of required travel, but not impossible.

[Fast Eddie]

...it'd probably only take 1 less missed gear change a lap by Gordy to do it..

oh here we go with the excuses..

racers eh..

[Fast Eddie]

Fucken hell that's a lot of bloody excuses!

fuck I hadn't actually started but had to go to the hobbit.

I'v got some good ones for nats.. you can borrow some when you start racing too.. you'll need em

[scrivy]

I'v got some good ones for nats.. you can borrow some when you start racing too.. you'll need em

Mate, I'll see you next weekend - I've got several thousand excuses you can use. Most will have people scratching their heads, whilst some will have people scratching their balls...... :eek5:

You'll have the fastest lap times of the weekend if all our excuses are used..... :2thumbsup

[scrivy]

fuck I hadn't actually started but had to go to the hobbit.


Just went to the Hobbit. I thought it was sidecar porn - mis-understood the name- thought it said 'bob's bit......' I thought it was Bobs homemade porn............:whistle:

Left deflated........

[Fast Eddie]

Just went to the Hobbit. I thought it was sidecar porn - mis-understood the name- thought it said 'bob's bit......' I thought it was Bobs homemade porn............:whistle:

Left deflated........
fuck, same! took me 1 hour and 45 mins to click it wasn't bob and the dirty thirteen gang bang..


Mate, I'll see you next weekend - I've got several thousand excuses you can use.

yusss, I need them bro!

[scrivy]

yusss, I need them bro!

That's why Im still coming down, and haven't cancelled my flights......

[Fast Eddie]

That's why Im still coming down, and haven't cancelled my flights......

leggeeend

bring your bikini and umbrella too..

[Fast Eddie]

I will write up a race report soon.. been busy holidaying.

Thanks to pumba for the trailer loan again... sorry bout the jack knifed trailer :crazy: send us the bill! (Dad's fault.. the old mercedes isnt a rally car over the kaimais)

gordy for the assistance in putting brakes back together, and lugging it around with steve n tracey to drop it off at mine. and everyone else that helped, spongebob rewired my kill switch the morning of race day, nev fixed the bike ready for wangas.. um spyda for the entry.. kick for the luxurious accomodation and new (to me) race boots.. hmm tracey n tina for the feed when we got to tga.. all the sidecar fam for helping unload the bike and giving us covered pit area.. cheers! umm I know im missing some names, but thats why sidecar racing is special! everyone helps ya out, its awesome. Thanks everyone. Will link up the race report when I write it..

Paeroa can't come soon enough :D and neither can wangas 2013

edit: I always forget old scrivy!! sorry bro, thanks for sorting out getting bike back to chch, otherwise I woulda been doing something like driving to welly and then to picton n shit.. phew! always making our lives easier - big thanks scrivy.. a proper giver, in and out of the bed

[scrivy]

Paeroa can't come soon enough :D

Unlike Gordy, who frustrates Tina everytime in the sack......:nya::pinch:

[scrivy]

leggeeend

bring your bikini and umbrella too..

Bikini??? I aint pit crewing for Kick!!!

[Kickaha]

you can borrow some when you start racing too.. you'll need em
He's already got a telephone book full of them

[Kickaha]

Bikini??? I aint pit crewing for Kick!!!

No fear of that, we'd rather have someone competent

[Fast Eddie]

Unlike Gordy, who frustrates Tina everytime in the sack......:nya::pinch:
neither of them been online in the last few hours eh? must be busy at the mo.. poor stirts.



No fear of that, we'd rather have someone competent
your bro harris pitting next to you then :D

[bucket boy]

[QUOTE=Fast Eddie;1130457002]neither of them been online in the last few hours eh? must be busy at the mo.. poor stirts.
comon shes home with princess gordie he will be asleep on the couch

[wildman]

naw.. well the offer is there if you change your mind, I can't see myself being able to afford north island round, I didn't realise they were even dearer than south. Will give Paeroa a crack tho! so Agip bike will be up here if you want it :D gwaarn.. would be good to see it n the hands of a good rider.


yip, brake lines run right over/infront of the headers.. thought it was a very strange place to have them go but I think there is no other place for them.. will look at it in chch


haha..
yip well get nekkid and look at the brakes, prob chuck a new kit through all master cyls and calipers and fresh fluid again. can't hurt!

Hey cool your doing Paeroa, i'll pay for your fuel again and we can find some food to feed you and a proper bed for you to sleep in if you need it. Will get in touch as it gets nearer.

[nodrog]

.....
Thanks to pumba for the trailer loan again... sorry bout the jack knifed trailer :crazy: send us the bill! (Dad's fault.. the old mercedes isnt a rally car over the kaimais)

......

pics please

[Fast Eddie]

Hey cool your doing Paeroa, i'll pay for your fuel again and we can find some food to feed you and a proper bed for you to sleep in if you need it. Will get in touch as it gets nearer.
Beauty Warren :D your a legend, hey bummer you didn't make it to Wangas it was so good! our bikes wiring needs some serious attention haha, spongebob and the rest of the sidecar family had to frantically wire up some of the bike so the kill switch worked again.. was tense!


pics please

haha I didn't take any.. hopefully its fixable (send us the bill!), sorry Pumba! there is a half built trailer down south for you to jack knife if you ever need it ;)

but the way it happened was classic, Dad said "the car is slow, gotta keep the momentum up (raining, wet road, kaimai hills) next thing round a tight left hander the back steps out, over corrects, snaps other way slides sideways across the lanes and does a 180 ending up on the oncoming lane with the trailer jack knifed.. oops - entirely his fault I might add..

[Ocean1]

That should be do-able.
But in essence, if the pedal or its components (lever/rodends/bias bars/reservours) were to bend/snap/break or leak empty, then we'd still have no brakes.
I still think an independent lever/pedal system is the best course to take, as well as an updated brake pedal box design.

Have a look at these.

http://www.predatorsystemsinc.com/fuses.html

Won't make for a completely seperate system but one, (or a combination) of these can isolate a line if it develops a sudden leak.

[scrivy]

Have a look at these.

http://www.predatorsystemsinc.com/fuses.html

Won't make for a completely seperate system but one, (or a combination) of these can isolate a line if it develops a sudden leak.

SNAP!!
I was telling my brother in Aussie yesterday about my crash, and he said 'Why don't you use a hydraulic fuse?' I said WTF??? He told me bascially about the info you gave us.
He's a pilot, was Captain on (747-777), Airbus A..... (feckin allsorts) and flys allsorts of helicopters, also a safety officer for Boeing. He's also developed a vortex generator for fixed wings and rotors that will revolutionise the industry once caa/faa and Aussie/US military get everything approved. PHD in Aeronautical aerodynamics etc etc.... so knows his stuff.
Called me a munter for not having a seperate redundancy line.... :pinch:
Guess I'm the black sheep in the family......:cry:

[Ocean1]

Called me a munter for not having a seperate redundancy line.... :pinch:

I guess the trouble with anything falling under what might be called a "safety" umbrella is that it's going to attract the attention of various authorities who like such things to be categorised under one or more standards, regardless of how well they might work. If that's not the case here then I'd be talking to someone like Parker Hannifin. In fact I'd be talking to them anyway, I know their valves meet existing industrial safety standards and someone's bound to have done some sort of automotive brake compliance legwork already.

[Grumph]

Have a look at these.

http://www.predatorsystemsinc.com/fuses.html

Won't make for a completely seperate system but one, (or a combination) of these can isolate a line if it develops a sudden leak.

Well....learn something every day....this and selective laser melting too, nearly too much....

Seriously, this does look like a readily available and easy to fit solution.....I just hope that as we're talking sidecars, they're prominently marked "this way round".....

[sidecar bob]

Guess I'm the black sheep in the family......:cry:

More like the sheep shagger in the family.

[scrivy]

More like the sheep shagger in the family.

I thought it was a goat?

[Drew]

I thought it was a goat?
Like you're picky enough to care!

[Pumba]

haha I didn't take any.. hopefully its fixable (send us the bill!), sorry Pumba! there is a half built trailer down south for you to jack knife if you ever need it ;)

but the way it happened was classic, Dad said "the car is slow, gotta keep the momentum up (raining, wet road, kaimai hills) next thing round a tight left hander the back steps out, over corrects, snaps other way slides sideways across the lanes and does a 180 ending up on the oncoming lane with the trailer jack knifed.. oops - entirely his fault I might add..

Fucking hell, all you said was that you jack knifed it, when I was looking at it the other day thought it was a hell of a hit. You are very lucky to get away with that shit on the Kaimai Rd.

Um yea I think I will pass on the offer to jack knife yours in return.

Dad will be getting it looked at later in the New Year when his mate is back from holiday, so will let you know.

[Fast Eddie]

Fucking hell, all you said was that you jack knifed it, when I was looking at it the other day thought it was a hell of a hit. You are very lucky to get away with that shit on the Kaimai Rd.

Um yea I think I will pass on the offer to jack knife yours in return.

Dad will be getting it looked at later in the New Year when his mate is back from holiday, so will let you know.

yip was a tense moment! slid one way then slid the other way and onto the oncoming lane.. glad the road was empty.

cool, hope its fixable! sorry again. Dad insisted on driving, bastard.

[nodrog]

I could probably make the nationals tomorrow.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--tV30rzd7U&feature=youtu.be

[Kickaha]

I could probably make the nationals tomorrow.
Awesome to see, those FCRs are nosiy bloody thing

Sidecar Race 1. Taylor / Hartnell , Goodwin /Prentice , Waters/Gibbs , Harris /Grace , Wolland /Skilton , Bryan/Mickleson , Roberts/Bilby , McDonald/McDonald. (2 DNF #84 Winter/Shepherd #35 Matthesiua/Monro

Winter/Shepard blew a fuse and stopped out on the circuit, Matthesius/Munro DNS with a brake master cylinder problem which is now fixed

Waters/Gibbs stalled on the line and had to come back through the field and ened up in a race long battle with Pirate/Prentis swapping position several times

[bucket boy]

Boy that frame looks good now,good work.

[nodrog]

Awesome to see, those FCRs are nosiy bloody thing

Sidecar Race 1. Taylor / Hartnell , Goodwin /Prentice , Waters/Gibbs , Harris /Grace , Wolland /Skilton , Bryan/Mickleson , Roberts/Bilby , McDonald/McDonald. (2 DNF #84 Winter/Shepherd #35 Matthesiua/Monro

Winter/Shepard blew a fuse and stopped out on the circuit, Matthesius/Munro DNS with a brake master cylinder problem which is now fixed

Waters/Gibbs stalled on the line and had to come back through the field and ened up in a race long battle with Pirate/Prentis swapping position several times

Watched it online, Pete did real well, didnt crash into anybody, or park up on the track.

That spike fulla can peddle, i wish some knob hadnt crashed their shortbike, would have been good to have some sort of reference so it all made sense to me.

[Drew]

Watched it online, Pete did real well, didnt crash into anybody, or park up on the track.

That spike fulla can peddle, i wish some knob hadnt crashed their shortbike, would have been good to have some sort of reference so it all made sense to me.

Fuck yeah, well done Spike and Astrid alright! Seems he's got his groove on, when we raced him at Ruapuna, he was bugger all faster than Jimmy and I on the Windle.

[Kickaha]

That spike fulla can peddle Does alright for a chubby little fucker

i wish some knob hadnt crashed their shortbike, would have been good to have some sort of reference so it all made sense to me.
Their best is about 3-4 sec faster than Spike

[Kickaha]

2001 Windle F2 for sale on Steves Place (http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=45863) 11.5K Euro
http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/download/file.php?id=7478&t=1

[nodrog]

Does alright for a chubby little fucker

Their best is about 3-4 sec faster than Spike

chur, that puts it into perspective, it didnt look that slow on telly :dodge:

[Foxzee]

I'm impressed with the "Pirate"...rig looked very tidy, didn't leak oil and he lead the race for a bit :love: Farken on ya Pete...Congrats! Good on ya Pink as well, good racing by all!

[nodrog]

can somebody tell WTF is going on in the background here?

[swarfie]

can somebody tell WTF is going on in the background here?


It's called sidecar racing Gordy:yes: !!

Thats Hector and Deano bringing up your tail, then Nick Ashton on the Yamaha XS and then the Dennison brothers in the back with their radical cornering and twisted Matchless frame:woohoo:

Oh and just to fill you in...thats Kick feeling your arse:nya:

[nodrog]

It's called sidecar racing Gordy:yes: !!

Thats Hector and Deano bringing up your tail, then Nick Ashton on the Yamaha XS and then the Dennison brothers in the back with their radical cornering and twisted Matchless frame:woohoo:

Oh and just to fill you in...thats Kick feeling your arse:nya:

Fuck it looks dangerous back there!! I thought it was the Dukes of Hazzard trying to jump a hay bale!

[swarfie]

Fuck it looks dangerous back there!! I thought it was the Dukes of Hazzard trying to jump a hay bale!


Yea thats how it happens on a big wheel rig...NO grip...and NO brakes...thats why I love it so much:2thumbsup

You think thats Dukes of Hazard shit, the day after boxing day Willy showed me a photo of Basil coming through that same corner behind him and Julie with his front wheel about 1/2 metre off the ground as he had turned in too early and run over the curb:shit::wings:

[nodrog]

Yea thats how it happens on a big wheel rig...NO grip...and NO brakes...thats why I love it so much:2thumbsup

You think thats Dukes of Hazard shit, the day after boxing day Willy showed me a photo of Basil coming through that same corner behind him and Julie with his front wheel about 1/2 metre off the ground as he had turned in too early and run over the curb:shit::wings:

yeah I saw a photo of that somewhere. Sounds abit too scary for me.

[jellywrestler]

top effort from the sidecar crews at ruapuna lads and ladies, bring it on at levels next weekend...

[sidecar bob]

top effort from the sidecar crews at ruapuna lads and ladies, bring it on at levels next weekend...

Top effort to you Spyda.
Up in the hot commentary box all day, spilling your depth of knowledge of the topic & priceless one liners to keep us all entertained & up to speed with what was happening out there.
Thanks a lot.
Unfortunately I peaked early in the weekend & was sound asleep while the others were enjoying a quiet bevvy at the north south last night.

[Kickaha]

Oh and just to fill you in...thats Kick feeling your arse:nya:I try and stay as far away from his arse as I can, probably why he thinks the beemer handles so funny


Top time at the Ruapuna on the weekends, had more fun watching, talking shit and helping out than I normally do going racing, I'm looking forward to doing the same this weekend

My rider of the weekend was the 70 year old pensioner having a great battle with the girls on Pinky in the GP

I thought out of the few races I watched the sidecars were the most interesting and less of a procession than a few of the others

[nodrog]

I try and stay as far away from his arse as I can, probably why he thinks the beemer handles so funny


Top time at the Ruapuna on the weekends, had more fun watching, talking shit and helping out than I normally do going racing, I'm looking forward to doing the same this weekend

My rider of the weekend was the 70 year old pensioner having a great battle with the girls on Pinky in the GP

I thought out of the few races I watched the sidecars were the most interesting and less of a procession than a few of the others

you still have a race report to do.

[Kornholio]

you still have a race report to do.

So it goes now, yay... when can I have a test ride au?

You wanted a box of bananas for it didn't you?

[Stirts]

when can I have a test ride au?

I thought you were buying your own one? We saw you test riding (http://sealytractor.com/fun_photos/thewife.jpg) one Wicky

[nodrog]

So it goes now, yay... when can I have a test ride au?

You wanted a box of bananas for it didn't you?

We might take it over to the oak on thursday night.


2 boxes bro!

[nodrog]

See what happens when you dont have pies for breakfast!

http://racepics.biz/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=363223

[scrivy]

See what happens when you dont have pies for breakfast!


Errr...... See what happens when you do...................????

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[sidecar bob]

Errr...... See what happens when you do...................????

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In all fairness, he dosent usually look that stupid. I think the instructions were "do your best nek minnit bloke impersonation"

[Fast Eddie]

Mixed weekend for Round 1 of the Nats for Agip Bike.. quickly learning that much better prep is required for the bike from now on, and it needs a lot of work to get it up to standard.

Friday test session revealed the bike didn't handle right.. it seemed fine at Wanganui but I had put the weaving around down to being on a street circuit, once we got onto Ruapuna and it was still weaving around we figured something is wrong with the bike.

Mucked about with it all weekend but never got rid of the weaving around, found a host of problems to be addressed though (edit: one being the chassis looks bent, similar to what your bike looks like now scrivy but not as extreme, just a bit of a bow), luckily Phil offered to buy the parts and do the work as I had to go back to Dunedin and work this week.

I pulled the bike apart before I left chch and Phil now has the task of putting it back together with new rose joints and nuts and bolts to try and get rid of the play and slop we had in the front and sidewheel. Replacing the main bolt that holds the sidecar wheel hub assembly together, that had been stripped and munted and had started working its way out.. wasn't far off popping out and we would have lost our sidewheel! luckily Richie spotted it and we tie wired it back down so we could do the last race.

I also asked Phil to replace the bushes on the handlebars/steering stem and try and stiffen the handle bars up, the top mount for the handle bars had cracked on either side so I think he is making up a new plate out of thicker steel and another reinforcing bar on the left side like Nev had made on the right side. Hopefully keeps the handlebars rigid and secure. See how Phil goes with replacing the bushes though, he thought it might be a bit tricky.. See how he goes.

We also had to strip, clean and rebleed the front brake again as more dirt went into master cyl (no dust boot/cover) and the front brake and siezed on and was dragging. Took that caliper off and swapped it with the the handbrake caliper and we just did away with the handlebar lever and emergency brake option for now until we rebuild the other front caliper and then we can put the handbrake/emergency brake back on.

Bled the system and brakes did an OK job.. never went fast enough to push the brakes. Lapped at 2:05 all weekend.. A bummer as we were hoping to do 1:55 or faster with our new rear tyre and better traction. Oh well.

Couldn't seem to get the brake bias working either, you can put heaps/majority to the back, but the best we managed was about 50/50 to the front.. disk was cold to touch when we came in after some playing with the bias (like pinky) and on the second outing with the bias wound to the front as much as possible the disk was a bit warmer but still not putting more to the front than the back. Another item on the list..

Gearbox got stuck in one gear on the last lap or two and during the warm down lap after last race.. couldnt change up or down at all, even phil tried helping with his hand but we couldnt get it to budge and change gear.. after the race and once engine cooled it seemed to be able to change gears again - might be on its way out..

picked up a spare FZR motor tho.. its all there except one conrod is poking out the crank case.. I'm looking for an FZR or YZF empty crankcase and then with the spares I have at home I could start putting together a spare complete motor for the bike - would be nice.

couple pics..

.. nope no pics actually, internet not playing ball at work

[Fast Eddie]

Errr...... See what happens when you do...................???? (pic of kick)

haha forgot about that wee photo shoot, I could imagine him looking something like during lunch at school back in the day

[nodrog]

.....Gearbox got stuck in one gear on the last lap or two ....

Was that gear reverse?

[scrivy]

Mixed weekend for Round 1 of the Nats for Agip Bike..

At least you got out there........ :facepalm::weep::cry:

[scrivy]

Was that gear reverse?

As I said before...... at least he was out there....... Doing faster times around there than you.... :yes::whistle:

How's your beasty doing???

[scrivy]

In all fairness, he dosent usually look that stupid. I think the instructions were "do your best nek minnit bloke impersonation"

I like the picture name......

[nodrog]

As I said before...... at least he was out there....... Doing faster times around there than you.... :yes::whistle:

How's your beasty doing???

Im still trying to borrow a trailer, people seem reluctant to lend them out now :laugh::sunny::love:

Ive just been trying to learn how to make the brake lines, apparently brakes are required :facepalm:

Hows yours going?

http://unitedcats.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/car-crushed.jpg

[Fast Eddie]

At least you got out there........ :facepalm::weep::cry:
haha, bring your leathers and pilot the agip bike around for a race at levels bro! wouldn't mind seeing it on the podium wearing my transponder..


Was that gear reverse?
haha fuck off, still came 7th in the last race, as Harris would say, 7th fastest in NZ (leave out any other details of course)


Im still trying to borrow a trailer, people seem reluctant to lend them out now :laugh::sunny::love:



haha... hmmm.. I don't think I had anything to do with that though

[scrivy]

Hows yours going?

http://unitedcats.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/car-crushed.jpg

Bro..... it's still recoverable from that state........

[scrivy]

haha, bring your leathers and pilot the agip bike around for a race at levels bro! wouldn't mind seeing it on the podium wearing my transponder..



Dude, I'm down to my last life I think..... Don't wanna push my luck on that piece of shit, I mean art....

[swarfie]

haha fuck off, still came 7th in the last race, as Harris would say, 7th fastest in NZ (leave out any other details of course)






Bwaaahaaahaahahaha...still got beaten by girls though...:facepalm::bleh:

[Fast Eddie]

Dude, I'm down to my last life I think..... Don't wanna push my luck on that piece of shit, I mean art....

:weep:

thought you had 2 left.. what better way to spend one then on this fine classic..

all goods! we will circulate around on it happily and wave to ya :D

[Fast Eddie]

Bwaaahaaahaahahaha...still got beaten by girls though...:facepalm::bleh:

haha yea and we both got beaten by a 70 year old pensioner on a half tonne truck!

[scrivy]

Bwaaahaaahaahahaha...still got beaten by girls though...:facepalm::bleh:

Come on Nev, he didn't get beaten by the girls............................. :no:



He got lapped!!!! :facepalm::shutup::woohoo:

Mind you, so did me and Gordy.....

'cept Gordy's was a lap dance......

[Fast Eddie]

'cept Gordy's was a lap dance......

wish mine was too... :woohoo:

didn't get lapped second race.. altho lap times were the same according to mylaps.. but felt like we were going bit better.

anyway, never mind! we know we can get around our home track better than that.. shit happens, just wish we did when it came nats time! see how levels goes, think our fastest there is 1.27 or 1.26.. would like to match that or beat it. We didnt have a gear selector made up last time we were at levels so should be able to match it now if I get comfy on the bike.

hope weather is good too! everyone went to bed at 10 in chch when we had our BBQ on sat night.. northeners couldn't take the cold at all.. even had to trek across town to get scrivy a blankie :D hehe.. disappointed none of the south island teams bothered to join in on our barbie n drinks. Sept Warwick and Glen and team agip.. gonna have to crack the whip on the locals

[scrivy]

wish mine was too... :woohoo:

see how levels goes, think our fastest there is 1.27 or 1.26..
You talking minutes or hours??:shutup:

hope weather is good too! everyone went to bed at 10 in chch when we had our BBQ on sat night.. northeners couldn't take the cold at all.. even had to trek across town to get scrivy a blankie :D hehe..
Jo wouldn't share hers..... Seriously! She pinched Bob and Traceys! Left me the odd one out freezing....

disappointed none of the south island teams bothered to join in on our barbie n drinks. Sept Warwick and Glen and team agip.. gonna have to crack the whip on the locals

They like bondage and shit like that??? Sweet, I'll bring down my gear then!! :Punk:

[Fast Eddie]

They like bondage and shit like that??? Sweet, I'll bring down my gear then!!

I think the toys you have might get classed as weapons at the airport scrivy..

was talking minutes for the laptime but should double check that on mylaps - could be hours or even months..

[sidecar bob]

Bwaaahaaahaahahaha...still got beaten by girls though...:facepalm::bleh:

In all fairness though, Harris did have a target on his back the size of Uranus.

[nodrog]

In all fairness though, Harris did have a target on his back the size of Uranus.

How big is Nev's anus?

[Kickaha]

See what happens when you dont have pies for breakfast!
That's because I'm not scared of a bit of chair lift and dont overswing like a motherfucker
good sequence of the pass on Will/Julie http://racepics.biz/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=363466

haha yea and we both got beaten by a 70 year old pensioner on a half tonne truck!
He's trying to get a new tyre before levels and up his game even more, think he's going for the win

[scrivy]

good sequence of the pass on Will/Julie

Check out the sidewheel flex on Willys machine...... :shit::gob:
How old is Willy again? :love::shutup:

[nodrog]

Check out the sidewheel flex on Willys machine...... :shit::gob:
How old is Willy again? :love::shutup:

I went to his 40th last week.

[scrivy]

I went to his 40th last week.

I think you'll find it might have been the 40th celebration of his 21st!!!!

[nodrog]

I think you'll find it might have been the 40th celebration of his 21st!!!!

hes just a young fulla, that meth is bad shit, especially when you run your sidecar on it.

[Fast Eddie]

That's because I'm not scared of a bit of chair lift and dont overswing like a motherfucker
good sequence of the pass on Will/Julie http://racepics.biz/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=363466
haha, that sidewheel tyre looks like its keen to pop off the rim - good photos on that site. Damn watermarks.


He's trying to get a new tyre before levels and up his game even more, think he's going for the win
hell yea! a shame he chewed through his other tyre so quickly.. makes a good foot rest now

[sidecar bob]

I went around to Gordys last night & gave his outfit a start up, it is bloody awesome.
He hasnt "fixed it up", he hasnt "made it go" he has absolutely fully restored it to back to better than new from the ground up!!!
The virtually finished product is as good a quality build as you will see, & is a credit to obsessive compulsive people everywhere with diabeties!!!
Bloody well done mate!

[Fast Eddie]

good work gordy.. some pics would be decent.

will it be at paeroa and the last 2 rounds of nats then?

[tail_end_charlie]

good work gordy.. some pics would be decent.

will it be at paeroa and the last 2 rounds of nats then?

Agree with ^^. Pics or it don't exist.........

[scrivy]

Agree with ^^. Pics or it don't exist.........

True that! Gordy is a master of disguise! He poaches pics and vids off the net, and calls them his own.....

He isn't the 'Hedgehog' and he doesn't have a 10 inch crank.......

[scrivy]

Shall we guess a fastest lap time at Timaru this weekend?
I reckon a 1:15.008

[Fast Eddie]

Shall we guess a fastest lap time at Timaru this weekend?
I reckon a 1:15.008

I recon somewhere 1.17

if conditions are perfect maybe getting to 1.15

[Stirts]

some pics would be decent.


Agree with ^^. Pics or it don't exist.........


True that!

You want pics, I got pics. BUT Gordie ain't decent :shifty:

[scrivy]

Gordie ain't decent

WTF?? You calling him inadequit?? The poor prick....... bitch slap.....

[Fast Eddie]

You want pics, I got pics. BUT Gordie ain't decent :shifty:

thats ok, as long as we can see the sidecar

[tail_end_charlie]

You want pics, I got pics. BUT Gordie ain't decent :shifty:

Nobody ever said Gordie was decent.............

And bike porn pics, not your porn pics..........or Gordie's.............or anyones else's (especially not Scrivy's, I shudder to think of what he likes).

[scrivy]

(especially not Scrivy's, I shudder to think of what he likes).

Baaaaaaaaaaaaaa...... what would you know??? :whistle:

[scrivy]

(especially not Scrivy's, I shudder to think of what he likes).

Why???
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[Fast Eddie]

slowly working through the agip bikes many problems and faults...

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.. hoping phil sorted out a new brake line today, he hasn't text in a while. Front brake line was fraying and wearing through where it was rubbing on chassis

[Fast Eddie]

couple snaps Ella took from round 1 NZ Nats and the NZGP..

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[scrivy]

slowly working through the agip bikes many problems and faults...
.. hoping phil sorted out a new brake line today, he hasn't text in a while. Front brake line was fraying and wearing through where it was rubbing on chassis

Good to see it's getting a birthday..... it needed it truthfully. You should have a new found confidence when you next go out on it. :woohoo:

Should I revise my time aronud Timaru?????

[Fast Eddie]

couple more snaps, one there of the tshirt Mo Haley gave me and I got him to sign.. recognise the bike on the shirt? :D 88 Champs.. cool shirt, straight to the pool room wall.

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[Fast Eddie]

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[Fast Eddie]

wave to the camera..

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[Fast Eddie]

Good to see it's getting a birthday..... it needed it truthfully. You should have a new found confidence when you next go out on it. :woohoo:
yea this is just the tip of the ice berg really.. the most phil could do by himself before levels.. hopefully get through a bit more TLC before Paeroa and North Island nats rounds..


Should I revise my time aronud Timaru?????

haha! not on my behalf bro! unless your estimate is when using an hour glass..

can't wait for racing this weekend tho! yee ha!

[scrivy]

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If I caught Bob calling me a loser, I'd be pissed, and he'd be rolling down the track on his arse.......



Or not....

[scrivy]

WTF?? You calling him inadequit?? The poor prick....... bitch slap.....

Do you mean 'When he's IN, he Quits'??

[Kickaha]

In 2006 Alex and I were doing 1.23 at levels on the AGIP bike, I reckon it's got a lot more in it

[Kickaha]

Kai and Phil have done a shitload of work on the AGIP bike for the levels meeting, it's looking good so far
http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/431257_10151647203813709_1968459753_n.jpg

[Kickaha]

This would be something along the likes of Burts bike

Tubular Jacobs outfit. ZX10 injected engine,multiple Darley Moor Championship winner.
new wets on spare wheels. immaculate, ready to race. Change of plans forces
sale. £4,250

[Fast Eddie]

In 2006 Alex and I were doing 1.23 at levels on the AGIP bike, I reckon it's got a lot more in it
sweet, thats our target then.. we did 1.26 last time I think and we were (I was) basically leaving it in 1 gear cause I couldnt work the shifter.
you sure you guys didn't do better than 1.55 at puna? (not that we managed to do it again lol.. but we recon if we get comfortable on it again we had plenty left in reserve to go better than 1.55)


This would be something along the likes of Burts bike

Tubular Jacobs outfit. ZX10 injected engine,multiple Darley Moor Championship winner.
new wets on spare wheels. immaculate, ready to race. Change of plans forces
sale. £4,250 fuck yea.. thas cheeaaaap.. plus a couple bob to get it to NZ eh?


Kai and Phil have done a shitload of work on the AGIP bike for the levels meeting, it's looking good so far
(pic of agip bike ready for levels)

hahahaha, where the fuck did the yellow paint go tho? its still yellow you'll all be happy to know.

[Kickaha]

sweet, thats our target then.. we did 1.26 last time I think and we were (I was) basically leaving it in 1 gear cause I couldnt work the shifter.
you sure you guys didn't do better than 1.55 at puna? (not that we managed to do it again lol.. but we recon if we get comfortable on it again we had plenty left in reserve to go better than 1.55)

That and Levels were the same season (2006) and also the only season I did National rounds with Alex


fuck yea.. thas cheeaaaap.. plus a couple bob to get it to NZ eh?
Fucked that up actually, last post on that for sale thread was today but the advert was dated 2007

[Grumph]

Kai and Phil have done a shitload of work on the AGIP bike for the levels meeting, it's looking good so far


Looks like they've got scrivy's fucking big spanner there.....

[scrivy]

Looks like they've got scrivy's fucking big spanner there.....

Dude....... I was only using the 2 foot long spanner to do up the cam cap bolts....... :pinch:

Helicoils anyone??

[Fast Eddie]

That and Levels were the same season (2006) and also the only season I did National rounds with Alex
cool, still something to aim for, when we hit it then we can aim to go even faster. I'm sure the bike could be pedalled around briskly


Fucked that up actually, last post on that for sale thread was today but the advert was dated 2007

haha..:nya:

[Kornholio]

I thought you were buying your own one? We saw you test riding (http://sealytractor.com/fun_photos/thewife.jpg) one Wicky

I was getting sick of waiting for this one to be built :/ Still keen au! (But have never ridden one... may not like it, I'm picking I will... ) Bring it to Poser day and we go for a blat :)


I went around to Gordys last night & gave his outfit a start up, it is bloody awesome.
He hasnt "fixed it up", he hasnt "made it go" he has absolutely fully restored it to back to better than new from the ground up!!!
The virtually finished product is as good a quality build as you will see, & is a credit to obsessive compulsive people everywhere with diabeties!!!
Bloody well done mate!

He's like Gollum with the ring...

[nodrog]

I went around to Gordys last night & gave his outfit a start up, it is bloody awesome.
He hasnt "fixed it up", he hasnt "made it go" he has absolutely fully restored it to back to better than new from the ground up!!!
The virtually finished product is as good a quality build as you will see, & is a credit to obsessive compulsive people everywhere with diabeties!!!
Bloody well done mate!

I think you are embelishing a bit there, all I did was put it back together with less retardation. And I really cant be fucked having to fix stupid shit at a race meeting.


good work gordy.. some pics would be decent.

will it be at paeroa and the last 2 rounds of nats then?

I'll post pics when you post some of the trailer incident. I'll take it to the nats, but I probably wont do pie roar. While I'm quite confident I could punt it around there, it would be self centered and foolish of me to compete in my first ever modern sidecar race at a street circuit. I dont mind hurting myself, but I have a passenger and spectators to think of. Theres not any containers at paeroa to soften the impact.


WTF?? You calling him inadequit?? The poor prick....... bitch slap.....

You got the number for mans refuge?


couple more snaps, one there of the tshirt Mo Haley gave me and I got him to sign.. recognise the bike on the shirt? :D 88 Champs.. cool shirt, straight to the pool room wall.

You're a hard man kai, making a 120 year old cancer patient do your spannering. And WTF is phil doing in the last pic?


I was getting sick of waiting for this one to be built :/ Still keen au! (But have never ridden one... may not like it, I'm picking I will... ) Bring it to Poser day and we go for a blat :)



He's like Gollum with the ring...

Are you allowed sidecars at superbike simons trackday? I dont know anything about it, I'm not on facebook.

[Fast Eddie]

..And I really cant be fucked having to fix stupid shit at a race meeting.
you sure? fills in the day..



I'll post pics when you post some of the trailer incident.
I never took photos of it.. Pumba might..


I'll take it to the nats..
Choice, and what about Drew.. will he be at Nats.. his build has been awfully quiet, how long does it take to make a sump?



You're a hard man kai, making a 120 year old cancer patient do your spannering.
also made him push start the bike with me and phil on when battery went flat.. Mo's a trooper, what a legend.
nah he was keen as to fuck around on the bike, straight into it.


And WTF is phil doing in the last pic?
thats called swinging gordy..

[nodrog]

.....thats called swinging gordy..

oh

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[Kickaha]

Shall we guess a fastest lap time at Timaru this weekend?
I reckon a 1:15.008

Well the Pirate has done a 1.15 there before but last time Spike was there on the same bike as now he was running around 1.24 but you'd expect him to be faster now
Best lap I can find for Grant is about 1.19 although I was sure he'd gone quicker than that

[Fast Eddie]

Well the Pirate has done a 1.15 there before but last time Spike was there on the same bike as now he was running around 1.24 but you'd expect him to be faster now
Best lap I can find for Grant is about 1.19 although I was sure he'd gone quicker than that

They should be there practicing now anyway? I'll text up old Grant.. he has a datalogger and onboard timing shit on his bike.

[Fast Eddie]

Grant and Matt on the Windle only did one testing session this morning apparently and thats all they wanted to do. Wouldn't say about lap times..

So they must feel ready.. or are running out of tyres!

[Fast Eddie]

sweet, new brake pads fitted, new brake line fitted, good caliper on the front and new high temp fluid through out.

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along with new tie rods and rose joints for side and front wheel, new through bolt for sidechair hub and lots of new screws nuts and bolts to replace worn shit and a good check over, it looks like the bike is good to go for this weekend :D

see how it feels tomorrow..

[Drew]

Choice, and what about Drew.. will he be at Nats.. his build has been awfully quiet, how long does it take to make a sump?




Pfft, sump is done, we're doing the same thing Gordy has done, for the same reason.

Undoing retarded mods from the past, and avoiding having everyone at the track trying to fix the chair for us.

[Drew]

see how it feels tomorrow..If you can change gear...

[Fast Eddie]

...avoiding having everyone at the track trying to fix the chair for us.
no one would want to help you anyway...


If you can change gear...
yea.. Phil ran it up to operating temp and managed to get through all the gears.. See how it goes on the track, can't use clutch much even if I wanted to. Fingers still being a c*nt

[Kickaha]

Well it seems timing has turned to crap at levels but Grant/Matt did a 1.16 no idea how anyone else went in P1 though

[nodrog]

Well it seems timing has turned to crap at levels but Grant/Matt did a 1.16 no idea how anyone else went in P1 though

Fuckin southerners, cant turn on a camera!

[Kickaha]

1 45 Grant Waters 01:16.635 5
2 111 Peter Goodwin 01:16.932 4
3 4 Spike Taylor 1:18.062
4 79 Graeme Harris 1:19.674
5 19 A J MacDonald 1:21.254
6 28 Tracey Bryan 1:21.382
7 84 Corey Winter 01:23.662
8 76 Bruce Roberts 1:28.565
9 35 Kai Matthesius 00:00:00

Dunno where Burts got to, maybe he went for a pie and didn't get back in time

For your reference Noddyrog Scurvy and Sidecarblob do about 1.12 (I think)

[Kickaha]

race1
Pirate/Darren
Grant/Matt
Graeme/Colin
Spike/Astrid
Burt/Max

Some of Spikes laps were as fast as anyones but those first few laps where him and Grant were held up behind Graeme really cost them

I work the points out after 4 races at
Spike 91
Pirate 85
Grant 68

[Kickaha]

Fantastic to see Grant/Matt get a win in the last race today and Max gets to shout beer

Points after Round 2 of the NZ Superbike Championship.(Provisional) Next Round Hampton Downs in March. (knocked off from NZSBK)
1 Spike Taylor / Astrid Hartnell 133
2 Grant Waters / Matt Gibbs 113
3 Pirate Goodwin /Darren Prentice 101
4 Graeme Harris / Colin Grace 79
5 Tracey Bryan /Jo Mickleson 54
6 Bruce Roberts / Jim Bilby 50
7 Alex McDonald / GlenMcDonald 50
8 Corey Winter /Tim Shepherd 44
9 Burt Wolland / Max Skilton 41
10 Kai Matthesius / Phil Monro 15

[Fast Eddie]

Fantastic to see Grant/Matt get a win in the last race today and Max gets to shout beer

Points after Round 2 of the NZ Superbike Championship.(Provisional) Next Round Hampton Downs in March. (knocked off from NZSBK)
1 Spike Taylor / Astrid Hartnell 133
2 Grant Waters / Matt Gibbs 113
3 Pirate Goodwin /Darren Prentice 101
4 Graeme Harris / Colin Grace 79
5 Tracey Bryan /Jo Mickleson 54
6 Bruce Roberts / Jim Bilby 50
7 Alex McDonald / GlenMcDonald 50
8 Corey Winter /Tim Shepherd 44
9 Burt Wolland / Max Skilton 41
10 Kai Matthesius / Phil Monro 15

where did we get 15 points from? sympathy donation for a weekend full of DNF's

[Kickaha]

where did we get 15 points from? sympathy donation for a weekend full of DNF's

That is overall points after both rounds

[Fast Eddie]

chur..

thanks to Kick for the big help getting us entered for round 2, for supplying new brake pads, the rear tyre which still hooks up nicely on the 1 or 2 laps we did. My sister for the loan of the car. Scrivy n SidecarBob who, with no complaints, spent a shit load of their time trying to help phil and I get the agip bike handling so I was comfortable.. sadly it didn't help, umm Rob Taylor for recharging my rear shock and having a look at it.. also no charge and no complaints even tho I was just one of those strange sidecar fellas and he was busy as with the superbikes etc. me swinger Phil for putting in a good few hours working last week on the bike replacing rose joints and nuts and bolts and shit.. which also didn't help but needed to be done. Glen for towing the bike down and putting on a good show with AJ.. he needs a newer bike and I recon he'd give the youngins a run for their money!
hmm, all the sidecar family for loan of tools, time, advice, tie wire.. etc

spyda for the laughs and great commentary.

no doubt I've missed some out.. but everyones help is appreciated and always amazed by the amount of it. :love: sidecar racing

sorry we couldn't go as hard as we should have and add to the crowd entertainment.

[Pumba]

.....sorry we couldn't go as hard as we should have and add to the crowd entertainment.

So what happened?

[Fast Eddie]

So what happened?

Haven't quite figured it out yet.. for one the rear shock seems to stick in place, you compress it and it just stays down, does not rebound.. So whip that off and take it somewhere to look at first.. then see what else is wrong with the bike.. we've done a bit to it - process of elimination we hope.

seems to be an overnight change from handling mint to handling like shite. I thought it was OK at wangas.. but it was a bit funny braking at some points but I just put it down to the street/road surface..

[Grumph]

Haven't quite figured it out yet.. for one the rear shock seems to stick in place, you compress it and it just stays down, does not rebound.. So whip that off and take it somewhere to look at first.. then see what else is wrong with the bike.. we've done a bit to it - process of elimination we hope.

seems to be an overnight change from handling mint to handling like shite. I thought it was OK at wangas.. but it was a bit funny braking at some points but I just put it down to the street/road surface..

So where are you basing yourself ? Are you sorting it before going back north ?

[scrivy]

You should have stayed for prize giving kai. Was a hoot!

[Kickaha]

Scrivy finds out there's no pies at the track

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[Kickaha]

I wonder if they'll sell these separate to the bike
http://www.suterracing.com/en/suter500.html

http://www.suterracing.com/files/media/gp500/Bilderstrecke/engine_real_1_300.jpg
Engine Type 4 Cylinder V4 two stroke
double counter rotating crankshaft, roller bearings
Displacement 54 x 54,5
(56 x 58,5 optional version)
Power min. 200hp
Aspiration Electronic fuel injection
four port throttle body
four carbon reed valve
Exhaust Valve Double flap
electronic controlled
Exhaust four single resonance steel chambers
(optional Titanium)
Gearbox SRT six speed cassette gearbox
Clutch SuterClutch multi disc dry
Ignition Marelli ECU

[Danger Dave]

Hi all, I've been following the sidecar racing for a while now and am currently selling my road race bike and looking to try something else, i see there is a windle sidecar for sale in christchurch, does anyone know the history of this chair and also how many races a year (roughly) do you do? i've had a quick look trying to find some info but i may not be looking in the right place. cheers Dave

[Fast Eddie]

You should have stayed for prize giving kai. Was a hoot!
yea, sorry bro.. I was tired as and was keen to hit the road back to Dunners. I know shoulda stayed, bit rude! sorry all.


So where are you basing yourself ? Are you sorting it before going back north ?
I'm in Dunedin but the bike is in Christchuch.. will be commuting between to try and fix it before North Island nat rounds.. I think Paeroa is off the cards now, doubt we would have it sorted by Feb 17th


I wonder if they'll sell these separate to the bike

mmmmm I need this.. need, not want, neeed it

[Kickaha]

Hi all, I've been following the sidecar racing for a while now and am currently selling my road race bike and looking to try something else, i see there is a windle sidecar for sale in christchurch, does anyone know the history of this chair and also how many races a year (roughly) do you do? i've had a quick look trying to find some info but i may not be looking in the right place. cheers Dave

It is a very good outfit, the engine really needs remounting as it doesn't sit at quite the right angle but this would be one of the best short 1000cc outfits in the country

In the North you dont really get any club racing/championships so you'd have Wanganui, Paeroa, BSTT, two National rounds and maybe the odd other day with different clubs

If you feel like traveling there's also two National rounds in the South and about 7 club days at either Levels or Ruapuna

[Fast Eddie]

Hi all, I've been following the sidecar racing for a while now and am currently selling my road race bike and looking to try something else, i see there is a windle sidecar for sale in christchurch, does anyone know the history of this chair and also how many races a year (roughly) do you do? i've had a quick look trying to find some info but i may not be looking in the right place. cheers Dave

Are you based in South Island? then lots of racing. heres a rough example: July - Timaru, Aug - Timaru, Sep - ChCh, Sep - Timaru, Sep - Chch, Oct - Barry Sheene Hampton Downs, Nov - Chch, Dec - Wanganui, Jan NZ Nationals CHCH, Jan NZ Nationals Timaru, Feb Paeroa, Feb CHCH, March NZ Nats - Hamilton, March NZ Nats Taupo.. then a break until July again.

so basically every month and often multiple times per month..

That windle is bloody awesome.. (others will know its history better) buy it if your in the south island and gonna race it down here with us.. if your a north islander then don't bother its a pile of shite :) hahaha

[Fast Eddie]

Hi all, I've been following the sidecar racing for a while now and am currently selling my road race bike and looking to try something else, i see there is a windle sidecar for sale in christchurch, does anyone know the history of this chair and also how many races a year (roughly) do you do? i've had a quick look trying to find some info but i may not be looking in the right place. cheers Dave

New Zealand Sidecar Racing Association facebook page is one way to get info, otherwise this sidecar thread is a fine place to get any info you need since most of the sidecar racers come on here.
also a basic website in my signature.. I keep it up to date as much as possible

[nodrog]

That windle is rubbish, you dont want that. There is far better and cheaper ones for sale.

[Danger Dave]

That windle is rubbish, you dont want that. There is far better and cheaper ones for sale.

Whys it rubbish? the others guys seem to think that it is a good chair, where do i find these other ones to look at?

[swarfie]

Whys it rubbish? the others guys seem to think that it is a good chair, where do i find these other ones to look at?


Welcome to the forum Danger Dave. I hope you do become a sidecar racer...it's a hell of a lot of fun and we need more mad buggers to fill the grid:banana:. But what you will find is that some of us...we...er...us can be serious piss takers. It can be a headache trying to figger out which ones to NOT listen to...eh Gordy (Nodrog). Stop trying to put the possible newby off ya mongrel :mad:

From my knowledge Mr Windle never built a bad sidecar:no:

[Kickaha]

Have you even had a close up look at a sidecar and thought about what it means to run one or talked to any guys that do?

They take up a car sized space in your shed, unless you have a decent sized trailer or a transit van you'll need something to transport it, you'll need a swinger, you cant buy much shit off the shelf for them unless it's engine or brake bits,tyres are $400-500 a shot but can last quite a while depending on how you ride

You'd be better off going to the NZSRA have a go day (if they're having one) this year and having a good talk to people and having a look over some

[Danger Dave]

Have you even had a close up look at a sidecar and thought about what it means to run one or talked to any guys that do?

They take up a car sized space in your shed, unless you have a decent sized trailer or a transit van you'll need something to transport it, you'll need a swinger, you cant buy much shit off the shelf for them unless it's engine or brake bits,tyres are $400-500 a shot but can last quite a while depending on how you ride

You'd be better off going to the NZSRA have a go day (if they're having one) this year and having a good talk to people and having a look over some

I have had a talk with a couple of guys that run them and that know people who run them (eg Aaron Lovell, Jay Lawrence) I have a swinger lined up and have no issue with having to manufacture any components that we might need storage and transport are no dramas and the tyres don't seem much considing how much i currently spend on superbike slicks.

At this stage i am still just looking at the class as it is the only other class that holds any appeal to me other than superbikes (which i'm way to slow to be competing in haha) so am just trying to get some opinions on the windle (as that is the only chair that i have found for sale) and was also curious how often they are run (which has been already been answered) but i will no doubt be at paeroa checking a few of them out as well.

[scrivy]

I have had a talk with a couple of guys that run them and that know people who run them (eg Aaron Lovell, Jay Lawrence) I have a swinger lined up and have no issue with having to manufacture any components that we might need storage and transport are no dramas and the tyres don't seem much considing how much i currently spend on superbike slicks.

At this stage i am still just looking at the class as it is the only other class that holds any appeal to me other than superbikes (which i'm way to slow to be competing in haha) so am just trying to get some opinions on the windle (as that is the only chair that i have found for sale) and was also curious how often they are run (which has been already been answered) but i will no doubt be at paeroa checking a few of them out as well.
Do you get a hardon when you see containers??

[scrivy]

Buy the windle and go hard! We need more people with mongrel in them out there....

[scrivy]

Cause Gordy and Drew aint got it.......

[Danger Dave]

Do you get a hardon when you see containers??

haha, not quite but that was a nasty hit.

[Grumph]

Have you even had a close up look at a sidecar and thought about what it means to run one or talked to any guys that do?

They take up a car sized space in your shed, unless you have a decent sized trailer or a transit van you'll need something to transport it, you'll need a swinger, you cant buy much shit off the shelf for them unless it's engine or brake bits,tyres are $400-500 a shot but can last quite a while depending on how you ride

You'd be better off going to the NZSRA have a go day (if they're having one) this year and having a good talk to people and having a look over some

There are some plusses as compared to a solo....whatever happens, it's always the swingers fault....the bloody bike won't fall over in the pits......there's someone else there to help with the bills/cleaning/lifting....another house to store the thing at (unless the swinger is family)....etc etc....

[Kickaha]

there's someone else there to help with the bills/cleaning/lifting..
Phil didn't use to like the fact that I'd never bother cleaning it because he used to like it looking pretty, but then I got the brakes and shit sorted after he'd been running it with 1.5mm in the front disc mount and a few other things wrong

[Drew]

Hi all, I've been following the sidecar racing for a while now and am currently selling my road race bike and looking to try something else, i see there is a windle sidecar for sale in christchurch, does anyone know the history of this chair and also how many races a year (roughly) do you do? i've had a quick look trying to find some info but i may not be looking in the right place. cheers Dave

Chris Lawrence has a chair for sale I think, which might be a better first chair than the Windle. I've only ridden two chairs, and am currently rebuilding our own to race, the Windle was one I've ridden. It's a great bike, but as Kickaha said it might need some work. Where Chris's outfit is ready to go straight away, and a third the price (roughly).

[Danger Dave]

Chris Lawrence has a chair for sale I think, which might be a better first chair than the Windle. I've only ridden two chairs, and am currently rebuilding our own to race, the Windle was one I've ridden. It's a great bike, but as Kickaha said it might need some work. Where Chris's outfit is ready to go straight away, and a third the price (roughly).

How do i get hold of Chris so i can see some photos and get some info?

[nodrog]

Theres also the grahame harris bike with the wicked engine that was running up with the long bikes on the weekend, thats like half windle price. Kai or kickaha can post contact details and pics.

[Fast Eddie]

Whys it rubbish? the others guys seem to think that it is a good chair, where do i find these other ones to look at?

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There is this black short bike for sale in ChCh built by Mo Haley.. he is now open to offers, name is Graeme Harris.. I'v seen him offer his for 7,500 with his fast motor in it, he says he will drop the price if you take it with a standard R1 motor and surely the overall price is dropping anyway as he has bought a new bike and needs to get rid of the old one.

The windle has been on trademe for a long time, so I'm sure he is open to cash offers.

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This is the short bike of the Lawrances and is probably the cheapest by faar, Contact cell number is visible in the photo..


How do i get hold of Chris so i can see some photos and get some info?
look at photo above and txt that number..

[Danger Dave]

Cheers Guys all the help has been awesome, so many choices now haha i'll do some research on the chairs and then decide which one to go with.

[scrivy]

Cheers Guys all the help has been awesome, so many choices now haha i'll do some research on the chairs and then decide which one to go with.

I've got a Busa powered chair, ridden by 1 lady owner, never thrashed on weekends...... awesome condition...... oh wait...... :facepalm: that was 1 month ago......

As you were.....

[Fast Eddie]

Cheers Guys all the help has been awesome, so many choices now haha i'll do some research on the chairs and then decide which one to go with.

Look forward to seeing which one you buy, and then see you out there on the grid!

Its very fun no matter how much you spend, I've got one of the cheapest around and have a ball each time I go out!..

For a bit more coin that windle should be capable of running at the front of the pack, and Harris has shown over the last 2 weekends that the black bike can get along quite well up against modern machines..

[Fast Eddie]

There are some plusses as compared to a solo....whatever happens, it's always the swingers fault....the bloody bike won't fall over in the pits......there's someone else there to help with the bills/cleaning/lifting....another house to store the thing at (unless the swinger is family)....etc etc....

this is true! and the sidecar family are awesome, since you spend only a fraction of the day actually racing, its good to be in a class where everyone hangs out together off the track and socialises and helps each other out etc. I've been on the recieving end a lot and I gotta say its awesome! (edit.. I know someone will try do something dirty with that quote)

[scrivy]

I've been on the recieving end a lot and I gotta say its awesome!

Well Kai, I'm spent after the weekend, and I didn't even get to race...... thanks for your 'help'.... :bleh::devil2:

[Fast Eddie]

Well Kai, I'm spent after the weekend, and I didn't even get to race...... thanks for your 'help'.... :bleh::devil2:

:bleh::msn-wink:

back into work.. boring.. haha

see how we go with Agip bike, could swing either way, I asked Phil to measure the rear shock from eye to eye and see if we can borrow one the same or close and go for a boost around the track to see if it cures the handling under brakes issue. If it does then we might keep the bike running and try make the North Island nats rounds (not sure about Paeroa anymore, don't think we can manage it - hope you guys get decent entries tho!! so its there for me to race at next year)

If the shock doesn't help then I guess we do as planned when we first got the bike and strip it right down and rebuild it.. That would prob see us out of action until King of Levels 2013 in July.

will make progress updates as they come :D

[Kickaha]

I asked Phil to measure the rear shock from eye to eye and see if we can borrow one the same or close and go for a boost around the track to see if it cures the handling under brakes issue.
Unless it has the same valving and spring rate it wont show you fuck all

[Kickaha]

Max just put this up on FB, it's the helmet cam we've been waiting for
<iframe width="960" height="540" src="http://contour.com/stories/levels-raceway-january-2013/embed?map=false&width=960px&height=540px" frameborder="0"></iframe>

[Fast Eddie]

Unless it has the same valving and spring rate it wont show you fuck all

.. surely a shock that rebounds and actually works will be some improvement over one that sticks in one place?

[Kickaha]

.. surely a shock that rebounds and actually works will be some improvement over one that sticks in one place?

Maybe, but if it pogos all over the place it might not be

[Fast Eddie]

Maybe, but if it pogos all over the place it might not be

true, guess we would have to rebuild ours either way..

[scrivy]

true, guess we would have to rebuild ours either way..

Was it worse with wets or slicks? Or not?
Just wondering on tyre runout.....

[Fast Eddie]

Was it worse with wets or slicks? Or not?
Just wondering on tyre runout.....

Phil and I both came in and said we thought it seemed worse with the wets on in the wet.. but it could have been exaggerated by the slippery surface or something.. it felt much more nervous in the wet and we were going slower.

we have noticed most of the wheels are a bit dinged up or have buckled rims.. and the tyres are pretty old, all of them except the rear which Warwick gave us before BSTTC

[nodrog]

Max just put this up on FB, it's the helmet cam we've been waiting for

Fuck that was a big thud :niceone:

[scrivy]

Tracey and Jo on their 6 hundy at both Ruapuna and Levels.

Ruapuna:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryWbEWGg9s8

Levels:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdDf9YyUkSA

You two went like rockets!! Must have an awesome pitcrew.....

Can someone post these up on faecesbook....

[Kickaha]

Just wondering on tyre runout.....
Tyre runout wont do that, it'll generally vibrate all the time

[scrivy]

Tyre runout wont do that, it'll generally vibrate all the time

Sorry, my mistake. I meant if one side of the tyre was faulty. I had a front tyre do that years and years ago. Chords/canvas on one side delaminated, and the tyre went 'soft' on one side, causing a hell of a head shake, and was basically uncontrollable.

A new front tyre and all was ok.

[scrivy]

Well, way hey hey.....

Just talked to the Philosopher...... Phil Sowersby....

He's gunna rebuild the Busa chair!!:not::first::headbang:

No rush, no pressure, just a leisurely fix, back to better than new!!
So there will be another chair out there next season!

[Drew]

That's awesome news indeed. You homos are our inspiration to ride like the mongrels we are.

[Kickaha]

He's gunna rebuild the Busa chair!!:not::first::headbang:
Good news indeed, make sure he sorts the gearbox so you dont have that excuse either

[Kickaha]

Pretty good first lap

http://youtu.be/O91AjeZ3thU

[scrivy]

Good news indeed, make sure he sorts the gearbox so you dont have that excuse either

I've got a problem with the gearbox? News to me.

[scrivy]

That's awesome news indeed. You homos are our inspiration to ride like the mongrels we are.

You're a mongrel too? From what clan??
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Be good to see some shorties battling it out up front. With the amount of track time you'll have while my machine is out of action, you'll be old school! You should be able to show me a few new things.....

[scrivy]

Pretty good first lap


Pfffttttt.... seen better......
Please tell me he was the world champ up against amateurs??? The others weren't going hard!

Also, the last 5 seconds of the clip, was his passenger doing a head stand?? You could see it in his shadow!

[swarfie]

Pfffttttt.... seen better......
Please tell me he was the world champ up against amateurs??? The others weren't going hard!

Also, the last 5 seconds of the clip, was his passenger doing a head stand?? You could see it in his shadow!

Yep...definitely shadowss of legs in the air:lol:
And by the way he was tearing past those other munters he would've had one of those 1800 Busa's as a donk as well !!:cool::bleh:

[scrivy]

And by the way he was tearing past those other munters he would've had one of those 1800 Busa's as a donk as well !!:cool::bleh:

A busa donk in a long chair........ Hmmmmm.... PHIL!!!!

I like the guy already! (Not so much the long chair bit...)

[Fast Eddie]

A busa donk in a long chair........ Hmmmmm....

been done before hasn't it..

whens someone gonna throw me a 350-500cc 2 stroker to run in a chair.. proper motor (and a lighter chair)

[Fast Eddie]

haha, noticed a few of us have avatars of chair in the air :D except warwick who is on fire in his..
and bob is just a facial :S :shifty:

[nodrog]

I have a TZ750 I have just rebuilt, you can have that if you like Kai.

[Fast Eddie]

I have a TZ750 I have just rebuilt, you can have that if you like Kai.

You've got my address, courier is fine. I'm home all day

[scrivy]

So how many other rigs are left out there to buy?

Keith Sinclairs late model ZX10 ex Lawrances '93 winning short bike.
Lawrances Bros CBR1000 shorty.
Dave Annans?
What else?

[Danger Dave]

I hadn't heard about the zx10 bike, whats the go with that?

[nodrog]

I hadn't heard about the zx10 bike, whats the go with that?

its an ex lawerence brothers short bike, got a 800km late model zx10 motor in it, wants around 8k . I think kieth is in pukekoe.

sricvy can tell you more.

[scrivy]

I hadn't heard about the zx10 bike, whats the go with that?

Belongs to Keith Sinclair in Auckland. Was ex Leppard/Goodin then ex Lawrance Bros. Lawrances won the title on it in '93, with an air cooled drag motor in it! Was a beast! Then they put a GSXR1100WP in it. Now Keiths implanted a late model ZX10 in it. It's not quite finished apparantely, but not far off. A little TLC and you'll be smoking Gordy...... Actually, if you play your cards right, Gordy will let you smoke his cock for free anyway.... :bleh::laugh:

It would definately put you up the front pointy end. And shorties rule!!! :not::first:

[Danger Dave]

Thats sounds good (i have a sick love of the zx10)

Please Scrivy tell me more, then Nodrog can have the windle

[scrivy]

pukekoe.

sricvy

You need some more insulin bro??

[Danger Dave]

how can i contact to find out more?

[scrivy]

how can i contact to find out more?

Keith Sinclair 09 236 0710
021 736 264
keith68@windowslive.com

He's a good bastard. Spin him a yarn.

[nodrog]

then Nodrog can have the windle

only if you fuckers start donating


You need some more insulin bro??

hook a negro up?


how can i contact to find out more?

it will involve doing something sick to scrivy.

[Danger Dave]

Cheers Mate, i've flicked him an email.

[scrivy]

Cheers Mate, i've flicked him an email.

No sickness necessary................
I'm good like that.:msn-wink:

[scrivy]

it will involve doing something sick to scrivy.

Atching by chance?????

[sidecar bob]

Atching by chance?????

Atching?? W.T.F?

[scrivy]

Atching?? W.T.F?

Oh yeah...... butter wouldn't melt in your mouth.........

You invented it, so you tell us........ slimey prick......

Is that why Tracey walks funny....... (and she's not a clown)

[Fast Eddie]

So how many other rigs are left out there to buy?

Keith Sinclairs late model ZX10 ex Lawrances '93 winning short bike.
Lawrances Bros CBR1000 shorty.
Dave Annans LCR
Graeme Harris Mo Haley R1
Lovely Yellow 'Agip' Bike..
The pensioner is in the market for a modern bike, so I'm sure he's open to offers on his current long bike.

[Tony.OK]

Atching?? W.T.F?

Maybe he meant Feltching?.......................that, even you as a sidecar racer don't want to know about :no:

[Kickaha]

I've got a problem with the gearbox? News to me.
Well admittedly it's the least of your problems


Pfffttttt.... seen better......
Please tell me he was the world champ up against amateurs??? The others weren't going hard!

Also, the last 5 seconds of the clip, was his passenger doing a head stand?? You could see it in his shadow!
Yeah, the first few corners it's like every one was asleep, definitely a headstand, when you training Bob to do that?


whens someone gonna throw me a 350-500cc 2 stroker to run in a chair.. proper motor (and a lighter chair)
Webster said back in the eighties to do a Krauser from scratch was $27,000 GBP


Lovely Yellow 'Agip' Bike..
The pensioner is in the market for a modern bike, so I'm sure he's open to offers on his current long bike.

Dont be a dick, nothing wrong with your bike with a bit of loving, pensioner will fly on a better bike

There's one for sale out of Oz
LCR for sale owned by Duncan Rogers in OZ It's Perry Lett's old bike. Last of the trellis f/end 1994. Suspension has been sorted. Engine is in correct place now. New front disc, hub bearings & cush drive rubbers. New stator. Runs a just re-built K2 with K4 throttle bodies, Yosh cams, ECU & new wiring loom runs 176 Hh.p. 94 ftlb torque. It's the same engine Steve Abbott used here in 05 except wet sump . Comes with 13" wet wheels, sprockets, handlebars & springs & any other bits that belong to it.. I've even got a crate I can send it in. I've won state titles & 3rd in Aus titles & it's been a good bike once it was sorted. Always looked after. Somewhere around 25K Oz.

[scrivy]

Maybe he meant Feltching?.......................that, even you as a sidecar racer don't want to know about :no:

Bobs been feltching for years................ He's even got the tube to get the last bits..........:bleh:

[Tony.OK]

Bobs been feltching for years................ He's even got the tube to get the last bits..........:bleh:

:puke::thud:

[Kickaha]

If anyone wants to upgrade their current sidecar http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/scooters/auction-553024426.htm

[Fast Eddie]

Webster said back in the eighties to do a Krauser from scratch was $27,000 GBP
yea think u posted that up before.. fookin hell.. u get over 200hp tho.. yum.




Dont be a dick, nothing wrong with your bike with a bit of loving
yea I know.



If anyone wants to upgrade their current sidecar http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/scooters/auction-553024426.htm

lol.. kinda want it

[Fast Eddie]

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good morning..

..muffler service anyone?

[sidecar bob]

Maybe he meant Feltching?.......................that, even you as a sidecar racer don't want to know about :no:

It actually came from a mis spelt text between wife & self. She said she wanted to do something in paticular & I txt her back & said I wanted to atch instead of Watch.
She asked me what atching was & so I described it, now that thing is known as Atching, from the English word, "watching"

[Fast Eddie]

She said she wanted to do something in paticular & I txt her back & said I wanted to atch instead of Watch.

Vacuuming?

[scrivy]

It actually came from a mis spelt text between wife & self.

Yeah, whatever!

[sidecar bob]

Yeah, whatever!

True story bro.

[nodrog]

Hey all, bikes only drags on this sunday @ Meremere! Only $30,00 to come race and free for spectators. If you dont have a current wof and reg or would like to race a track bike there will be an exibition class aswell! Hope ta see yas there if not pace the word on.
Yeah ya can bring ya side car! Just have to have a passenger and there will be another one there aswell

[Fast Eddie]

Hey all, bikes only drags on this sunday @ Meremere! Only $30,00 to come race and free for spectators. If you dont have a current wof and reg or would like to race a track bike there will be an exibition class aswell! Hope ta see yas there if not pace the word on.
Yeah ya can bring ya side car! Just have to have a passenger and there will be another one there aswell

naw.. get some videos. I wanna see a couple sidecars drag it off. Take yours Gordy

[nodrog]

naw.. get some videos. I wanna see a couple sidecars drag it off. Take yours Gordy

Can i borrow your trailer?

[Fast Eddie]

Can i borrow your trailer?

Arg, not another joker without a trailer. Enough of those around already.. <_<

[scrivy]

Arg, not another joker without a trailer. Enough of those around already.. <_<

YOU GOT THE FIRST PART OF THE SENTENCE RIGHT.... Gordy is a joker - taking the piss....

[Fast Eddie]

..Gordy is a joker ..

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he's done some good work on his outfit too.. the jokercycle

the launching sidecar is a good touch, I hope that finds its way into the MNZ rule book.

[nodrog]

the laughing sidecar is a good touch, I hope that finds its way into the MNZ rule book.

I thought your chair already had that? Im always hearing laughter everytime it goes around a track.

[Fast Eddie]

I thought your chair already had that? Im always hearing laughter everytime it goes around a track.

:zzzz:

the last race you won was against the other sperm to the egg..

[scrivy]

:zzzz:

the last race you won was against the other sperm to the egg..

Well yeah, but the egg was cute.......

Gordy usually swallows anyhow......

[awa355]

Can someone tell me when the sidecars start the season?? :soon:

I'm pretty well set up now, just need to team up with a swinger and we'll be away.

I dont expect to be winning straight away, May take a race or two to sort out any bugs. :no:

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[Kickaha]

Can someone tell me when the sidecars start the season?? :soon:

I'm pretty well set up now, just need to team up with a swinger and we'll be away.

I dont expect to be winning straight away, May take a race or two to sort out any bugs. :no:



Sweet rig, you're off to a good start as that would be better than 50% of the sidecars in NZ

http://www.flyingmile.co.nz/ invite only two F1 sidecars entered, I know one's Lovell whose the other one?

[scrivy]

Sweet rig, you're off to a good start as that would be better than 50% of the sidecars in NZ


You mean it's better than all the long bikes???:niceone: I hope Louis doesn't hear you say that.......:bleh:

[Kickaha]

You mean it's better than all the long bikes???:

Nothings better than a long bike :finger:

[scrivy]

Nothings better than a long bike :finger:

What about a slightly shorter bike that is faster around a track??

I reckon you don't know how long 9 inches is....... you keep telling ya missus it's 9, but it's only 5..... That's why you think all bikes are long....

[Kickaha]

What about a slightly shorter bike that is faster around a track??

Haven't seen that at the last two national rounds

Who is fastest around the track has fuck all to do with it being long or short and all about the people on the bike

[scrivy]

all about the people on the bike

Hang on, you're endorsing showboating now??:niceone:

[scrivy]

Haven't seen that at the last two national rounds


Wasn't Pete's shortened long bike there???........................:shifty::devil2::w eird:

[scrivy]

Who is fastest around the track has fuck all to do with it being long or short and all about the people on the bike

Or maybe just the bike???

[Kickaha]

Or maybe just the bike???

Nope, a good bike will be easier to ride fast but fast guys are normally fast on anything they ride

[scrivy]

Nope, a good bike will be easier to ride fast but fast guys are normally fast on anything they ride

How do we know if there's fast guys in NZ?:confused: