Sidecar Racing

[jellywrestler]

colin buckley and robbie shorter hit the bales at kerromoar, both ok, anyword on what this does to the tt for them?

[sidecar bob]

colin buckley and robbie shorter hit the bales at kerromoar, both ok, anyword on what this does to the tt for them?

It means they are carrying around a small metal plate & a few extra bolts in their fairing that they weren't before.

[nodrog]

It means they are carrying around a small metal plate & a few extra bolts in their fairing that they weren't before.

and some shit stained leathers.

[Kickaha]

and some shit stained leathers.

And they miss a practice while they repair the sidecar

[sidecar bob]

and some shit stained leathers.

Seems they were just copying Tim because they thought it was the cool thing to do.

[scrivy]

Not good news from the TT....
😭

Damn phone....

[nodrog]

Not good news from the TT....
😭

Damn phone....

Stink alright.

[jellywrestler]

Not good news from the TT....
😭

Damn phone....
crying wolf a bit there
our boys are ok, buckley shorter stopped on lap one with a technical issue and darren prentis finished 20th. yip someone fell off their perch too, that's never good but on the cards.

[scrivy]

crying wolf a bit there


Was actually referring to the person who locked their keys in their car.... but thanks for the update on the kiwis...

[jellywrestler]

Not good news from the TT....
😭

Damn phone....

why didn't molyneaux start?

[scrivy]

why didn't molyneaux start?

If he was a member of the NZSRA, I'd probably be able to tell ya..... :lol::devil2:

[jellywrestler]

If he was a member of the NZSRA, I'd probably be able to tell ya..... :lol::devil2:

i tuned in quite early and all they could talk about was them not starting, but seem to forget we're not all watching for hours and not all in the loop, a quick repeat would be nice to keep us informed....

[nodrog]

why didn't molyneaux start?

his outfit has been fucked for days, they are going to have it ready for the next race.

[jellywrestler]

his outfit has been fucked for days, they are going to have it ready for the next race.

fucked, that defines a few things really......

[scrivy]

Does anyone know what happened to cause the crash?
Gear failure?

Damn phone....

[nodrog]

thought I would post this here for those that only look in this thread. I don't know if this affects other track day providers there.




Hi People, yes it was the last Playday at Hampton's on Sunday. A sad day and out of our control, we were told only 2 weeks ago that all our bookings were to be moved to the little 1.1k track and that a $30 health and safety tax was to be imposed on all entrants without any notice, this would start from the 1st July. We were also told that Playday would not be allowed to host any bike events at Hamptons. When we asked if our existing bookings would be honoured as Playday had already advertised and sold many spots to people the answer was “NO” This left us no choice but to cancel the events we had booked, refund to all those that had pre-paid and also apologise to all our customers for mucking them around. Playday has had an awesome 6 years at Hampton's and made some really good friends and given plenty of smiles but that chapter has closed but all is not bad, Playday will be offering days on a regular basis at Puke, Taupo and Manfeild. Thanks for all the support guys, we will see you at the race track real soon. Cheers, The Playday Team


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[Drew]

Those play day dicks are knobs. The track days will now be run by HD. Called motoHD in fact. Read the comments on face book. Funny as fuck.

[sidecar bob]

Those play day dicks are knobs. The track days will now be run by HD. Called motoHD in fact. Read the comments on face book. Funny as fuck.

Are you talking about Mandy & Ed? They're gold.

[Drew]

Are you talking about Mandy & Ed? They're gold.

No idea. They looked like Tards on Facebook when HD and then Tony Quinn started replying.

[sidecar bob]

No idea. They looked like Tards on Facebook when HD and then Tony Quinn started replying.

They're simple folk in the nicest possible way with a heap of soul, & I could see how that might look to be the case.

[ellipsis]

No idea.


...even the mostest cleveristist of us sometimes don't cum across as that, at times...I think it must be a human trait...and piss and drugs and boredom and motorcycle racing and shit...

[Drew]

Actually, after reading it again they didn't make the comment I thought was them.

They did take down all of Sloan's comments though.

[racer40]

Spyda, Moly has had engine issues all practice week, should be ok for friday. Darren prentis has a hamsting injury just by being flung around and wasnt allowed out for monday practice this week, hoping they can out on thurs night before the race on friday, but he is a happy boy getting a 100mph lap and a finish. i believe colin and robbie had an electical problem forcing them to retire at end of lap 1, will be ok for friday. and RIP to Dwight Beare who last year shared a marque with Dags and Richie, and me and Darren, he was a great guy and was improving really well and also doing well in the british champs. It is believed he touched the kerb after bishopcourt which sent him into the bank on the other side of the road. Chris

[jellywrestler]

Spyda, Moly has had engine issues all practice week, should be ok for friday. Darren prentis has a hamsting injury just by being flung around and wasnt allowed out for monday practice this week, hoping they can out on thurs night before the race on friday, but he is a happy boy getting a 100mph lap and a finish. i believe colin and robbie had an electical problem forcing them to retire at end of lap 1, will be ok for friday. and RIP to Dwight Beare who last year shared a marque with Dags and Richie, and me and Darren, he was a great guy and was improving really well and also doing well in the british champs. It is believed he touched the kerb after bishopcourt which sent him into the bank on the other side of the road. Chris

bishop court got Pat Hennen too back in 77
was rapped that darren got a finish. thanks for the update, tough game this IOM, when i was there we had ten in our team, watching them come in was like waiting for the aircrews coming back from a raid, and when the helicopter started your heart raqced, when it started and stopped straight away that was even worseerer....
thanks for the update

[sidecar bob]

I have come to a point in my life where the idea that competing at the IOM is a good thing to do has got me completely fucked.
Currently all we seem to have in the sidecar field is stress, pain, dissapointment & death, & that's just amongst the people I know/knew personally.

[old rig]

I have come to a point in my life where the idea that competing at the IOM is a good thing to do has got me completely fucked.
Currently all we seem to have in the sidecar field is stress, pain, dissapointment & death, & that's just amongst the people I know/knew personally.
Have you been to nogrods shed then

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[sidecar bob]

Have you been to nogrods shed then

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Ok, Ill add anger, frustration, disbelief & retardation then.:msn-wink:

[Grumph]

I have come to a point in my life where the idea that competing at the IOM is a good thing to do has got me completely fucked.
Currently all we seem to have in the sidecar field is stress, pain, dissapointment & death, & that's just amongst the people I know/knew personally.


Ok, Ill add anger, frustration, disbelief & retardation then.:msn-wink:

I've been around the scene longer than most and have been through seasons like this before.
All you can do is live in the moment and enjoy what you do while you do it.

In my case now, what usually happens is some young bugger turns up and asks how can i do this ?
If he's enthusistic enough I get dragged into something interesting - and we're off to the races again....

[sidecar bob]

In my case now, what usually happens is some young bugger turns up and asks how can i do this ?
If he's enthusistic enough I get dragged into something interesting - and we're off to the races again....

And the joy is twofold, being helped out by a legend that in the most modest way, has all the answers, & also calls me a young bugger. ;)
To further add to this years shocking TT record, Ian Bell has come undone at Ballaspur & lost his life as a result.

[old rig]

And the joy is twofold, being helped out by a legend that in the most modest way, has all the answers, & also calls me a young bugger. ;)
To further add to this years shocking TT record, Ian Bell has come undone at Ballaspur & lost his life as a result.
I think there has been another solo death as well

The draw of doing the tt is great and sad I take my hat off to every one that does it

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[Drew]

I think there has been another solo death as well

The draw of doing the tt is great and sad I take my hat off to every one that does it

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I think they're idiots. But they have a right to be so.

[old rig]

I think they're idiots. But they have a right to be so.
Big balls idiots
[emoji122]


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[Drew]

Big balls idiots
[emoji122]


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[Kickaha]

http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=56511
http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/download/file.php?id=13141&t=1

[bucket boy]

I think they're idiots. But they have a right to be so.
I could only imagine the talks the riders must have with there partners before they enter.

[Drew]

http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=56511
http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/download/file.php?id=13141&t=1

It doesn't seem to have headlights. How is it legal?

[Pumba]

It doesn't seem to have headlights. How is it legal?

Best explanation I could find


DAY TIME MOT? MYTH OR REAL
There is only one MOT test and only one type of certificate, but you can MOT bikes and or cars for that matter without lights. You will get an advisory note to say that it has no lights and of course you can't ride the bike at night or during seriously reduced visibility.
There are a lot of myths surrounding this subject and some will incorrectly suggest that you need a brake light, although you might live longer if you fit one.
Be prepared for a whole lot of attention from Plod though as most don't know the more obscure aspects of the law likewise many MOT testers.

[Drew]

Best explanation I could find

Jesus fucking Christ. No brake lights or indicators, and 2 foot tall. That isn't gonna end in death much!

[scrivy]

It doesn't seem to have headlights. How is it legal?

Does the passenger seat have a seatbelt??

[george formby]

Ian Bell has come undone at Ballaspur & lost his life as a result.


I woke up to a message giving me this terrible news. I've known Ian since I was a teenager. Lovely bloke. I'm gutted.

[Kickaha]

Fuck yes


http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=56539

Hello,

I'm selling my LCR outfit with yamaha OW31 500cc. The chassis is in mint condition with 6 wheels. Available also many engine spare parts (some new and some in good condition) like piston, crankshafts, cylinder (also 347 cc), heads, clutch and many more. This is a rare LCR.
Please, write me for other photos and info.
Open to reasonable offers... Regards.

http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/download/file.php?id=13170&t=1

http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/download/file.php?id=13168&t=1

[sidecar bob]

What do you suppose a reasonable offer would be? Straight swap a former TT winning, lap record breaking F2?

[Kickaha]

What do you suppose a reasonable offer would be? Straight swap a former TT winning, lap record breaking F2?

No fucking idea whatsoever, talk to some of the guys you know in the UK they'd be more likely to know

[jellywrestler]

I think they're idiots. But they have a right to be so.

really, what is different to the roads at the tt and the gladstone hill climb? i'll tell, the helecopter is further away.

[Drew]

really, what is different to the roads at the tt and the gladstone hill climb? i'll tell, the helecopter is further away.

Have I ever said that I'm not an idiot?

[Kickaha]

Fucking hell Bob you must be psychic (or is that psychotic) you put this up in 2012


Not sure it did.
Chivo had a lot of sucess on it when it was new. Id guess its about 12 years old now.
Its a very clever chassis with great weight distribution.
I seriously pondered getting it for Tracey a while back, & we spent a morning going over it, but she loves her 600 too much to change.
It really needs a Gordy to tidy it right up.

[Drew]

Fuck yes


http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=56539

Hello,

I'm selling my LCR outfit with yamaha OW31 500cc. The chassis is in mint condition with 6 wheels. Available also many engine spare parts (some new and some in good condition) like piston, crankshafts, cylinder (also 347 cc), heads, clutch and many more. This is a rare LCR.
Please, write me for other photos and info.
Open to ]
By Christ that's gorgeous.

[george formby]

Thank goodness! I felt like I'd quashed the thread with my maudlin post. Soz.

Onwards you mad buggers.:woohoo:

[merv]

Have I ever said that I'm not an idiot?

Nah don't remember you saying that!

[Kickaha]

More shit I found from 2012 while looking for other stuff


I could have ten rigs, I still wouldn't do Wanganui bro.

My concerns with Wanganui are not solely based on safety. I don't like the event, I have little motivation to go there at all.

I haven't bagged it, tried to warn anyone off, bad mouthed, or in any way defamed the event or it's organisers. I simply don't want to ride there.

Pretty sure that cunt raced there last year

[Drew]

More shit I found from 2012 while looking for other stuff



Pretty sure that cunt raced there last yearDude, we didn't race there. We fucked around and did skids. But yes, it is another example of me saying something dumb.

[sidecar bob]

Dude, we didn't race there. We fucked around and did skids. But yes, it is another example of me saying something dumb.

We drove around there last weekend, some of the skids are still very clearly visible. Good effort.:yes:

[Drew]

We drove around there last weekend, some of the skids are still very clearly there. Good effort.:yes:
Hahahaha, that's awesome.

[Grumph]

We drove around there last weekend, some of the skids are still very clearly visible. Good effort.:yes:

Was drew down here last weekend ? Some cunt drove round our village after a 21st at the local hall leaving looooong black marks everywhere.
Can't have been that good though - I slept through it all.

[nodrog]

Fucking hell Bob you must be psychic (or is that psychotic) you put this up in 2012

I wish he brought it.

[Kickaha]

I wish he brought it.

Have you finished it yet?

[bucket boy]

Have you finished it yet?

I think hes still waiting on parts.

[sidecar bob]

I wish he brought it.

The previous owners reputation ensured I didn't.

[Kickaha]

The Australians are so slow they get their coffee delivered during the races


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzP1wrVsX0U

[scrivy]

The Australians are so slow they get their coffee delivered during the races


That's a Kiwi calling the coffee black....... :rolleyes:

[Kickaha]

That's a Kiwi calling the coffee black....... :rolleyes:
I don't drink coffee

That sidecar was built new for that advert, currently for sale for $6500 AU

[nodrog]

I don't drink coffee

That sidecar was built new for that advert, currently for sale for $6500 AU

Got a link?

[scrivy]

Got a link?

Was on arsebook for a while...

[Kickaha]

Got a link?

No, pm Kai on FB he went and looked at it

[nodrog]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1116837854.htm

whos is this? im thinking of swapping.

[jellywrestler]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1116837854.htm

whos is this? im thinking of swapping.

the famous south island sidecar champ of once upon a time.

[Kickaha]

It was being built by an ex aircraft engineer who lived in Timaru, he got it to the point of it being a runner then got liquored up at a party and put it into a fence post about 1am in the morning before he got it fully finished, he got a job in Nelson and then it sat doing nothing, dunno how Phil got a hold of it

I can't remember the chassis history but I think it was one of Bill Newtons and originally yellow when he had it with a GSX750 in it and then later a GPZ1100 injected motor


whos is this? im thinking of swapping.
As thick as you are I don't even think you're quite that dumb

[old rig]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/motorbikes/motorbikes/other/auction-1116837854.htm

whos is this? im thinking of swapping.
If you have the shed space? ????????


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[Grumph]

It was being built by an ex aircraft engineer who lived in Timaru, he got it to the point of it being a runner then got liquored up at a party and put it into a fence post about 1am in the morning before he got it fully finished, he got a job in Nelson and then it sat doing nothing, dunno how Phil got a hold of it

I can't remember the chassis history but I think it was one of Bill Newtons and originally yellow when he had it with a GSX750 in it and then later a GPZ1100 injected motor


As thick as you are I don't even think you're quite that dumb

I worked on both of Bill's 750's and don't recognise the frame. Wouldn't surprise me if the running gear is from one of Bill's though.
Neither of the 750 frames were sound and should have been thrown away.

[Drew]

Looks like a better starting point than ours was. But there's a shit ton of work to do on it.

[Kickaha]

I worked on both of Bill's 750's and don't recognise the frame.
It might be the blue chassis Colin had then, used to ridden by a shortarse as it had tie rods back to handlebars mounted behind the steering head

There was another chassis Bill had which he didn't use and he sold

This chassis was sold to a guy in Invercargill, didn't hear anythin about if for ages and somehow a few years later it ended up with Anthony Stephens who I think sold it to Graeme and then to John Lowther who fitted the motor

[Kickaha]

Nationals dates, 4 rounds

Ruapuna 7/8th January
Teretonga 14/15th January

Taupo 25/25th February
HD 4/5th March

[husaberg]

Seen this today, gee ya all years behind old Mo.
First pic I have seen of one of his outfits seen plenty of his solos.
Anyone have any more.

[nodrog]

Seen this today, gee ya all years behind old Mo.
First pic I have seen of one of his outfits seen plenty of his solos.
Anyone have any more.

Fuck you're a bit slow arent ya.

read this thread from the start.

[jellywrestler]

Seen this today, gee ya all years behind old Mo.
First pic I have seen of one of his outfits seen plenty of his solos.
Anyone have any more.

this one was the old tr500, he gave the motor away and then sent the rest to an old swinger in aussie, this was early in the peice, it eventually had a normal front nose cone. he made a bigger fuel tank that his leg went right through, i hated looking at this feature, saw him go head on into a building at lyall bay and come out unscathed, later on he rolled it and couldn't get his leg out, says it spun two and a half times, but he didn't spin as many times.... he limped till he died.
amazing man and amazing engineer

[husaberg]

Fuck you're a bit slow arent ya.

read this thread from the start.
I kind of did by looking at the pics posted I got up to 280 pics in still no stuff as cool.
Then I did a thread search using the tread tools nothing on Mo Harley came up a fair few wart and penis pics did though....

this one was the old tr500, he gave the motor away and then sent the rest to an old swinger in aussie, this was early in the peice, it eventually had a normal front nose cone. he made a bigger fuel tank that his leg went right through, i hated looking at this feature, saw him go head on into a building at lyall bay and come out unscathed, later on he rolled it and couldn't get his leg out, says it spun two and a half times, but he didn't spin as many times.... he limped till he died.
amazing man and amazing engineer

Chairs, he certainly was.

[Pumba]

Mo Harley

Might help if you got the name right Husa. Try Mo Haley.

I will give yo this link for free https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ72apQe12Q

[husaberg]

Might help if you got the name right Husa. Try Mo Haley.

I will give yo this link for free https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZ72apQe12Q

it certainly does lol
http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/151328-Sidecar-Racing?p=1130411737&highlight=haley#post1130411737

[Grumph]

Seen this today, gee ya all years behind old Mo.
First pic I have seen of one of his outfits seen plenty of his solos.
Anyone have any more.

Pics of the early solos are very rare...The only one of the 7R powered Haley's Comet he had was one I'd taken on the grid at Cust in '57 or so.
What have you got or seen ?

[jellywrestler]

Pics of the early solos are very rare...The only one of the 7R powered Haley's Comet he had was one I'd taken on the grid at Cust in '57 or so.
What have you got or seen ?

thee's on in maureen bulls book, can't remember which one, maybe the orange one and also somewhere on the cemetery circuit there's a piccie of mo on the overhead bridge too

[nodrog]

I kind of did by looking at the pics posted I got up to 280 pics in still no stuff as cool.
Then I did a thread search using the tread tools nothing on Mo Harley came up a fair few wart and penis pics did though....


Chairs, he certainly was.

Heres a pro tip - the sidecar in the first post of this thread is a mo one.

[husaberg]

Pics of the early solos are very rare...The only one of the 7R powered Haley's Comet he had was one I'd taken on the grid at Cust in '57 or so.
What have you got or seen ?

not sure what it was but it was a kneeler, I would have to dig out the old Cams magazines to find it though.
There might have been something in the old A-Z classic racing NZ book as well.


Heres a pro tip - the sidecar in the first post of this thread is a mo one.

I am not sure I am ready to turn pro........

[jellywrestler]

Pics of the early solos are very rare...The only one of the 7R powered Haley's Comet he had was one I'd taken on the grid at Cust in '57 or so.
What have you got or seen ?

people sadi it was a 7R but Mo told me it was just a g80

[jellywrestler]

people said it was a 7R but Mo told me it was just a g80

just checked, the kneeler was a g80 then haleys comet was the 7R with duplex steering. i remember he built a sidecar once with the petrol pump operated through the rear suspension, he was racing at whakatane and fuel starvation was an issue as the track was so smooth so he got the swinger to jump up and down as much as possible to make it supply enough fuel

[husaberg]

i remember he built a sidecar once with the petrol pump operated through the rear suspension, he was racing at whakatane and fuel starvation was an issue as the track was so smooth so he got the swinger to jump up and down as much as possible to make it supply enough fuel

Pretty sure The original G45 works racers with pannier tanks had that set up, as did I think the works proboscis Norton. Also pretty sure at least one form of the JPS Norton.

[Grumph]

just checked, the kneeler was a g80 then haleys comet was the 7R with duplex steering. i remember he built a sidecar once with the petrol pump operated through the rear suspension, he was racing at whakatane and fuel starvation was an issue as the track was so smooth so he got the swinger to jump up and down as much as possible to make it supply enough fuel

The bike I snapped according to Mo was version 3. 7R powered, don't remember duplex steering, I'll have to find the print and scan it.
Looks absolutely out of place on a grid of conventional bikes - and at that time Mo was very tall and skinny so he towers over it.
Anyone else remember Mo's original hair colour ? He went silver very early on.

And husa - pretty well all Mo's solos were kneelers. He may have been involved with the twin 500 Triumphs put into a manx frame...I've seen pics of it in I think a Classic Bike mag and someone wrote in and reckoned Mo had built it. Never got the chance to ask him.

[jellywrestler]

The bike I snapped according to Mo was version 3. 7R powered, don't remember duplex steering, I'll have to find the print and scan it.
Looks absolutely out of place on a grid of conventional bikes - and at that time Mo was very tall and skinny so he towers over it.
Anyone else remember Mo's original hair colour ? He went silver very early on.

And husa - pretty well all Mo's solos were kneelers. He may have been involved with the twin 500 Triumphs put into a manx frame...I've seen pics of it in I think a Classic Bike mag and someone wrote in and reckoned Mo had built it. Never got the chance to ask him.

i made the mistake of saying hi maurice one day....
the twin 500's was a skilton project from paihiatua.

[wildman]

It might be the blue chassis Colin had then, used to ridden by a shortarse as it had tie rods back to handlebars mounted behind the steering head

There was another chassis Bill had which he didn't use and he sold

This chassis was sold to a guy in Invercargill, didn't hear anythin about if for ages and somehow a few years later it ended up with Anthony Stephens who I think sold it to Graeme and then to John Lowther who fitted the motor

Hey Kickaha, think you've just shed light on a frame i had which was blue and had the tie rod setup you mentioned. Couldn't work out what engine it had as even an old Katana 750 seemed to big for it so assumed it must of run a 650 twin?. Gave the frame to a mates father up north, not sure what engine they were going to put in it. Was fairly primitive and think the rear suspension was a rubber block.

[wildman]

Seen this today, gee ya all years behind old Mo.
First pic I have seen of one of his outfits seen plenty of his solos.
Anyone have any more.

Hey Husa i now own two Mo Haley sidecars one originally raced by Dave Beresford and Vince Stuer, the other was raced by Kevin Wendt. Both are Hub steered and won a NZ title in their day.

[roogazza]

Here's a sidecar for you blokes . Phil Richards at Gracefield .
322835

I first came across him at Porirua early 70's dressed in white,white Bell and leathers etc. Not many of us in white or colours in those days.

[Grumph]

Here's a sidecar for you blokes . Phil Richards at Gracefield .

I first came across him at Porirua early 70's dressed in white,white Bell and leathers etc. Not many of us in white or colours in those days.

Good god...the frame and forks on the early ones were too flexible for a quick solo, I can't imagine what that was like.

Edit - and the brakes, shudder...piss poor on a solo.

[Grumph]

Looks like you were right Spyda about the duplex steering - unless it's short leading link. Mo couldn't remember if it was '56 or '57.
Most of the 7R's brought into NZ are in the first 3 rows, LOL, it's the Junior GP grid. Note he's on the second row...
Didn't see a lot of 350 manxes till a couple of years later.
I told Mo I had the pic and when he said he didn't have any of that bike, i had it copied and enlarged and gave him a copy.

[jellywrestler]

Looks like you were right Spyda about the duplex steering - unless it's short leading link. Mo couldn't remember if it was '56 or '57.
Most of the 7R's brought into NZ are in the first 3 rows, LOL, it's the Junior GP grid. Note he's on the second row...
Didn't see a lot of 350 manxes till a couple of years later.
I told Mo I had the pic and when he said he didn't have any of that bike, i had it copied and enlarged and gave him a copy.

cemetery circuit 1956 answers the hair colour q...

[roogazza]

Good god...the frame and forks on the early ones were too flexible for a quick solo, I can't imagine what that was like.

Edit - and the brakes, shudder...piss poor on a solo.

too true Grumph ! I believe he used to unhook the sidecar and race in solos ????????????

He was a bit of a star and then strangely disappeared as fast as he had arrived ??
I Don't know any more than that.

[Kickaha]

Hey Kickaha, think you've just shed light on a frame i had which was blue and had the tie rod setup you mentioned. Couldn't work out what engine it had as even an old Katana 750 seemed to big for it so assumed it must of run a 650 twin?. Gave the frame to a mates father up north, not sure what engine they were going to put in it. Was fairly primitive and think the rear suspension was a rubber block.

I didn't ever see it with a motor in it, sat under a carport down here for years then I think it was sold maybe as part of the deceased estate after Colin died, I'm not sure where he got it from

Rubber block seemed to be common for that era, maybe something out of a Mini suspension?

Means the one on TM definitely came from Bill

[Grumph]

cemetery circuit 1956 answers the hair colour q...

The bike looks tiny doesn't it. When i gave Mo the pic, we had a discussion as to how the Register would deal with either the original revived or a replica...At that time we reckoned the register would simply not accept it. And agreed that if it was found somewhere, it would undoubtedly be cut up and rebuilt into a standard 7R as NZ built specials had no value....

[jellywrestler]

The bike looks tiny doesn't it. When i gave Mo the pic, we had a discussion as to how the Register would deal with either the original revived or a replica...At that time we reckoned the register would simply not accept it. And agreed that if it was found somewhere, it would undoubtedly be cut up and rebuilt into a standard 7R as NZ built specials had no value....

the value of Bucephalus came up lately and the same conclusion was drawn, it's gone to a good home as a result, if it had a huge value things might have been different....

[Grumph]

the value of Bucephalus came up lately and the same conclusion was drawn, it's gone to a good home as a result, if it had a huge value things might have been different....

I rebuilt Dick's 500 Norton twin for a guy here. I reckon the frame bits which weren't used on Bucephalus when it was built were used on the 500...The arm was certainly not an 88 one, very light. Lot of very odd stuff done to that one too.
Is Dick still alive ?

[jellywrestler]

I rebuilt Dick's 500 Norton twin for a guy here. I reckon the frame bits which weren't used on Bucephalus when it was built were used on the 500...The arm was certainly not an 88 one, very light. Lot of very odd stuff done to that one too.
Is Dick still alive ?

no Dick fell off his perch earlier this year, he needed to go, no quality in life any more, he'd done his time

[husaberg]

no Dick fell off his perch earlier this year, he needed to go, no quality in life any more, he'd done his time

Bummer I have a write up from the CMRR on dick and "king Arthurs steed" somewhere.

[Grumph]

Warwick - clear out your PM's, until this is done nothing is getting through.....

[Ian Staples]

Hi all,does anyone have contact details for someone who is doing the entries for labour weekend. I am trying to find out if they take late entries
Ian

[Danger Dave]

Hi Ian

Yes late entries are available as per the entry form, i have added a link below to all the info.

http://www.mxt.co.nz/2016-post-classic-international-challeng

[jellywrestler]

Hi all,does anyone have contact details for someone who is doing the entries for labour weekend. I am trying to find out if they take late entries
Ian

entries still open till 23rd sept

[sidecar bob]

Only two sidecar entries for the tri series yet, but W.T.F? What's going on here?
Tracey Bryan & Barry Smith on a Suzuki F2.
http://cemeterycircuit.co.nz/entries-received/

[old rig]

Only two sidecar entries for the tri series yet, but W.T.F? What's going on here?
Tracey Bryan & Barry Smith on a Suzuki F2.
http://cemeterycircuit.co.nz/entries-received/
Hasn't she been keeping you up with the times
Will be good to see very good to see

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[Drew]

Haven't pulled our chair apart and hacked it to pieces for a while. Must be a race coming up soon so we've got no time to do it.

[wildman]

This thread seems to have died off a bit so lets see if we can get it more active. I've started rebuilding the old Mo Haley built Kevin Wendt sidecar back to what it use to look like, why? maybe because I'm a bit strange and because i like the 70-90's period of racing. Anyway i really need decent photos of the sidecar when Kevin ran it, if anyone has any i could borrow to copy i would be very grateful. Engine wise it's going to be running a slightly latter GSXR 86 model motor running mechanical injection and methanol.

[Triplenut]

Hi All,
A few CAMS members have and are building classic/post classic sidecars.
If there is enough interest from more modern sidecars we are happy to run them at our next meeting Ruapuna 21st Jan.

PM me if you are keen so we can get an idea of numbers.
We're keen to encourage some of the older outfits out but all welcome to make up numbers.

Cheers
CAMS

[old slider]

Hey Classic sidecar guys, as a spectator at the recent Cemetery circuit meeting the scariest thing for an avid spectator was hearing the commentator say that unless there are more entries in this field we may not see them race here again.

That would be a bloody shame, us oldies and not so oldies love seeing the fun and often keen rivalry between these racers in a class that allows people to compete in without needing 3 mortgages and large corporate sponsorship ( only presuming) to be competitive.

[Kickaha]

us oldies and not so oldies love seeing the fun and often keen rivalry between these racers in a class that allows people to compete in without needing 3 mortgages and large corporate sponsorship ( only presuming) to be competitive.

I think you'd be surprised what some of those have spent on them

[old slider]

I think you'd be surprised what some of those have spent on them


I can only imagine Kickaha, actually I cant even do that to be honest mate.

I would think that just like 30-40 yrs ago many hours of uncharged Labour goes into most outfits from crew, family and friends, along with the many $$ spent on other expenses, travel etc and the frequent consumables of racing.

My very limited experience from the 70s early 80s racing speedway chairs was that those with seemingly unlimited $$ were often the ones that the rest of us chased, always trying to catch the latest race proven chassis design or later model engines, but sometimes simply a racers ability could make them more than competitive, but usually it didn't last long, pushing old technology way beyond its limits aye. But that's racing.

[nodrog]

I think you'd be surprised what some of those have spent on them

There are people who have spent more on their classic motors than what you could buy an lcr for.

[Grumph]

There are people who have spent more on their classic motors than what you could buy an lcr for.

There are people in any branch of the sport who will spend more to succeed. I've always gained more enjoyment from out thinking rather than out spending...

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL6Q9e0HcRs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoejuM7gYd8

[old slider]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL6Q9e0HcRs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoejuM7gYd8


Wow, awesome memories, immediately after filming himself filling his face the guy with the camera catches me in our white coats moving the crowd back on the railway crossing at the entrance to the Suzuki .

[merv]

So you guys don't update this thread any more when it was a good read :yes:.

[Grumph]

So you guys don't update this thread any more when it was a good read :yes:.

I think they're all poking each other on arsebook....

Until there's actually a major meeting it's hard to gauge just how big a class it'll be this season.
Quite a good turnout of classic and post classic chairs at the Southern Classic festival though.
The founder of the thread is working on the racing taxis in Oz - but his chairs are in the hands of people who seem willng to use them.

[Drew]

24 chairs at Taupo this weekend been. Fucken hell it was EPIC.
Heaps of the North island teams have new (to them) outfits, including us. The international teams are fucken fast!

[jellywrestler]

24 chairs at Taupo this weekend been. Fucken hell it was EPIC.
Heaps of the North island teams have new (to them) outfits, including us. The international teams are fucken fast!

i counted 26

[merv]

24 chairs at Taupo this weekend been. Fucken hell it was EPIC.
Heaps of the North island teams have new (to them) outfits, including us. The international teams are fucken fast!

Great and were you happy with your outfit?

[Drew]

Great and were you happy with your outfit?

Quite happy with it. I'm not as fat as the last two dudes that rode it, so I gotta pack the sides of the body work to hold me in betterer. And Al is fitter and more active than the last swinger, so we need to accommodate his limbs for swapping side to side.

Other than that, it should be a rocket.

[swarfie]

I scrutineered 26. The only one to fail was Tim Reeves LCR shortbike. The chain had almost sawn through the rear hydraulic brake line. Pretty sure he was pleased we found it :2thumbsup

[old rig]

I scrutineered 26. The only one to fail was Tim Reeves LCR shortbike. The chain had almost sawn through the rear hydraulic brake line. Pretty sure he was pleased we found it :2thumbsupAnd how are you feeling today

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[Drew]

And how are you feeling today

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24 pack of Heiken is about $40. Sooo, he should be feeling about that much lighter.

[swarfie]

And how are you feeling today

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Pretty foockin second hand...thanks for your concern :cry:

[swarfie]

24 pack of Heiken is about $40. Sooo, he should be feeling about that much lighter.


24? You can fook off as well....it's bad enough I need a new skid lid. We nearly had you a couple of times on track but 600 into 1000 doesn't quite go. Good day though.

[Drew]

24? You can fook off as well....it's bad enough I need a new skid lid. We nearly had you a couple of times on track but 600 into 1000 doesn't quite go. Good day though.

Was a great day. I thought you were off again in the second race when you guys went in too hot a second time.

[ellipsis]

...it's funny how this thread just livened up within a couple of days of deliberation about whats going to turn the wheel on the one I will be hanging off next year...having deliberated about all kinds of things to keep it in the period we want, a full circle has been negotiated and we are going with an/the Imp motor...just dropped off a couple of pair of SU carbs to get sent off to the people who know more than us...we both just acquired the sensible sixties age so all should be well:blink:...

[robajs]

never really pictured you as a swinger fella but just goes to show that I know fuck all:rolleyes:

[merv]

...it's funny how this thread just livened up within a couple of days of deliberation about whats going to turn the wheel on the one I will be hanging off next year...having deliberated about all kinds of things to keep it in the period we want, a full circle has been negotiated and we are going with an/the Imp motor...just dropped off a couple of pair of SU carbs to get sent off to the people who know more than us...we both just acquired the sensible sixties age so all should be well:blink:...

Interesting, remember the Imp from my school days. Just been to Scotland too and went to the Riverside Museum in Glasgow where the Imp is celebrated.

[sidecar bob]

No caption required

[pete376403]

Interesting, remember the Imp from my school days. Just been to Scotland too and went to the Riverside Museum in Glasgow where the Imp is celebrated.
I had one. If I knew as much as I thought I did it would have been a lot more reliable. I believe its still possible to buy new 998 engines - I think they were sold as Sunbeam Talbots in the end

[Drew]

...it's funny how this thread just livened up within a couple of days of deliberation about whats going to turn the wheel on the one I will be hanging off next year...having deliberated about all kinds of things to keep it in the period we want, a full circle has been negotiated and we are going with an/the Imp motor...just dropped off a couple of pair of SU carbs to get sent off to the people who know more than us...we both just acquired the sensible sixties age so all should be well:blink:...
I'd have thought they would have closed the loophole allowing those by now, and made you find one that actually was a pump motor.

[Grumph]

I'd have thought they would have closed the loophole allowing those by now, and made you find one that actually was a pump motor.

Define loophole....If it was used as a sidecar engine in period, it's an eligible engine.

Have you been socialising with people from the Register again ?

[swarfie]

...it's funny how this thread just livened up within a couple of days of deliberation about whats going to turn the wheel on the one I will be hanging off next year...having deliberated about all kinds of things to keep it in the period we want, a full circle has been negotiated and we are going with an/the Imp motor...just dropped off a couple of pair of SU carbs to get sent off to the people who know more than us...we both just acquired the sensible sixties age so all should be well:blink:...

Welcome to the fold Neil, I'm sure you have a heap of fun. John Anderson built a really nice Imp outfit about six or seven years ago for his son-in-law. Unfortunately Adrian has serious back problems and doesn't use it now although he did turn up at the last Have a Go Day with it (unlikely to be for sale either unfortunately). As per usual John made an awesome job of it too. If you've got enough folding they can be made to go really well as the Poms make/made all sorts of hot shit for them I believe.

[swarfie]

Define loophole....If it was used as a sidecar engine in period, it's an eligible engine.

Have you been socialising with people from the Register again ?


I'd have thought they would have closed the loophole allowing those by now, and made you find one that actually was a pump motor.

They are eligible as far as the Register is concerned as far as I know. Why would anyone need a loophole? Most of the Coventry pump motors were only 750cc and a bit down on power. There's one racing with the Register and has been on and off for about 20 something years. Another John Anderson rig.

[Grumph]

Welcome to the fold Neil, I'm sure you have a heap of fun. John Anderson built a really nice Imp outfit about six or seven years ago for his son-in-law. Unfortunately Adrian has serious back problems and doesn't use it now although he did turn up at the last Have a Go Day with it (unlikely to be for sale either unfortunately). As per usual John made an awesome job of it too. If you've got enough folding they can be made to go really well as the Poms make/made all sorts of hot shit for them I believe.

Interestingly, Nev, I was told by a guy in the know here in ChCh that the really quick ones in classic car racing now use I believe a Pugeot block.
Apparently it's visually identical and the Imp bits swap in. The guy I spoke to was doing the required machining to take them out further than the Imps ever went - around 1300cc.
We used to have a guy here in ChCh who'd built and raced Imps in the UK and had a worldwide rep - and clients. He's moved to queensland but the guys who did his machining are still here.

[Drew]

They are eligible as far as the Register is concerned as far as I know. Why would anyone need a loophole? Most of the Coventry pump motors were only 750cc and a bit down on power. There's one racing with the Register and has been on and off for about 20 something years. Another John Anderson rig.

No one needs a loophole, I'm just trying to start an argument.

[swarfie]

No one needs a loophole, I'm just trying to start an argument.

No argument from me Drew. Bring it on I say :headbang:

[jellywrestler]

No one needs a loophole, I'm just trying to start an argument.

just race it at the Suzuki series where the rule book is forgotten about....

[Drew]

just race it at the Suzuki series where the rule book is forgotten about....

Tuckerman and Costello. What do you expect?

[old slider]

Just watched a video of the sidecars racing at Taupo, some awesome racing and a huge field of chairs.

My question is, do you not have to hold your line from the start like we did in speedway, well until you hit the chalk line anyways?

I noticed in every start one chair seemed to veer straight across to what I imagine is the pole line, I presume he is hoping the others will continue to back off, looked like some, especially that quick #73 chair let him go rather than have a potential Phark-up, especially in the 2nd start.

Certainly don't want a shit fight, just curious as I have never competed in road racing.

https://youtu.be/ZQXPjZLU2wY

[jellywrestler]

Just watched a video of the sidecars racing at Taupo, some awesome racing and a huge field of chairs.

My question is, do you not have to hold your line from the start like we did in speedway, well until you hit the chalk line anyways?

I noticed in every start one chair seemed to veer straight across to what I imagine is the pole line, I presume he is hoping the others will continue to back off, looked like some, especially that quick #73 chair let him go rather than have a potential Phark-up, especially in the 2nd start.

Certainly don't want a shit fight, just curious as I have never competed in road racing.

https://youtu.be/ZQXPjZLU2wY

that's five times world formula one champion and twice formula two champion, think he knows what to do

[Drew]

Just watched a video of the sidecars racing at Taupo, some awesome racing and a huge field of chairs.

My question is, do you not have to hold your line from the start like we did in speedway, well until you hit the chalk line anyways?

I noticed in every start one chair seemed to veer straight across to what I imagine is the pole line, I presume he is hoping the others will continue to back off, looked like some, especially that quick #73 chair let him go rather than have a potential Phark-up, especially in the 2nd start.

Certainly don't want a shit fight, just curious as I have never competed in road racing.

https://youtu.be/ZQXPjZLU2wY
Tim launches and the chair wheelies, so it turns left. But because it's a short bike he will always beat a long bike off the mark.

No rule saying we can't swerve.

[merv]

Hey Drew, did I read that your outfit is ex Doug Chivas?

Would that be the one captured in these photos I took at the 2004 Wanganui races back in the day when we were enthusiastic KB posters. Roll down the page and page your way through the thread and you'll see a few sidecar pics including one with Doug short of his swinger.

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/7424-Wanganui-Races-Pics-and-stories/page3

[Kickaha]

Would that be the one captured in these photos I took at the 2004 Wanganui races back in the day when we were enthusiastic KB posters.

Yes, it's had a few owners since then, Jellywrestler might know but I was told it once held the lap record at Wangas?

[Drew]

Hey Drew, did I read that your outfit is ex Doug Chivas?

Would that be the one captured in these photos I took at the 2004 Wanganui races back in the day when we were enthusiastic KB posters. Roll down the page and page your way through the thread and you'll see a few sidecar pics including one with Doug short of his swinger.

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/7424-Wanganui-Races-Pics-and-stories/page3
The one and only mate.

[merv]

The one and only mate.

So can you get it back to lap record pace?

[merv]

I laugh when I think about it too, those photos back in 2004 I posted using the old 56k dial up modem, just before I got ADSL, and maintained my patience when we knew no better.

[Drew]

So can you get it back to lap record pace?

We'll find out in due course. Need to learn how to ride it first.

[merv]

We'll find out in due course. Need to learn how to ride it first.

Good on ya :niceone:

[Drew]

I laugh when I think about it too, those photos back in 2004 I posted using the old 56k dial up modem, just before I got ADSL, and maintained my patience when we knew no better.

Jimmy was on dial up back then too.

Must have taken days to do that shit.

[old slider]

that's five times world formula one champion and twice formula two champion, think he knows what to do


Dont think anyone doubts his abilities, purely from a spectators perspective it looks like a great opportunity for playing dodgems, I would imagine cutting across or swerving in front of the competition like that is not the place to get a wee engine splutter.

[old slider]

Tim launches and the chair wheelies, so it turns left. But because it's a short bike he will always beat a long bike off the mark.

No rule saying we can't swerve.

Thanks for that Drew, certainly some great racing and thanks to all you crazies for entertaining us spectators.

[pete376403]

Interestingly, Nev, I was told by a guy in the know here in ChCh that the really quick ones in classic car racing now use I believe a Pugeot block.
Apparently it's visually identical and the Imp bits swap in. The guy I spoke to was doing the required machining to take them out further than the Imps ever went - around 1300cc.
We used to have a guy here in ChCh who'd built and raced Imps in the UK and had a worldwide rep - and clients. He's moved to queensland but the guys who did his machining are still here.
Sorry about going off on a car tangent, but somewhere I have a Cars and Car Conversions mag from the 70s or 80s that features a Chrysler Comps works rally Imp of 1300cc. Stock block and stroker crank that necessitated external oil lines as no room inside the crankcase. So its been done before. Also the last Sunbeam Talbots were 998cc. They would have been the straight edge block (the original block was scalloped to follow the profile of the head, around the cylinders.

[Grumph]

Sorry about going off on a car tangent, but somewhere I have a Cars and Car Conversions mag from the 70s or 80s that features a Chrysler Comps works rally Imp of 1300cc. Stock block and stroker crank that necessitated external oil lines as no room inside the crankcase. So its been done before. Also the last Sunbeam Talbots were 998cc. They would have been the straight edge block (the original block was scalloped to follow the profile of the head, around the cylinders.

All true - but the engines using the Pugeot block START at 1300.....There are stories here of some around 1500 built in ChCh before he moved.

Could be the post classic version of a certain Hayabusa.....( just kidding )

[Drew]

So can you get it back to lap record pace?

In those pictures of yours from back when, I notice the dash doesn't look like a Yamaha item. Interesting, as I thought it was always Yamaha powered.

[merv]

In those pictures of yours from back when, I notice the dash doesn't look like a Yamaha item. Interesting, as I thought it was always Yamaha powered.

The fairing in front of you has been built up since those days too.

[Drew]

The fairing in front of you has been built up since those days too.

Yeah. Really piss poorly. Whole fairing is fucked

[T.W.R]

Just out of curiosity has anything ever been done here to the likes of the Krauser/Yamaha LCR that Andre Bosman raced in aussie in the early 90s?
Got an article somewhere and remember the engine was a work of art

[Kickaha]

Just out of curiosity has anything ever been done here to the likes of the Krauser/Yamaha LCR that Andre Bosman raced in aussie in the early 90s?
Got an article somewhere and remember the engine was a work of art

No, I think only some TZ powered short outfits were ever run here and nothing like a LCR/Krauser/ADM/Swissauto, paging Mr Jelly cause he'll know

Mike Richards of MRE is currently rebuilding a LCR/Krauser and will have it for sale once finished

[T.W.R]

No, I think only some TZ powered short outfits were ever run here and nothing like a LCR/Krauser/ADM/Swissauto, paging Mr Jelly cause he'll know

Mike Richards of MRE is currently rebuilding a LCR/Krauser and will have it for sale once finished

I went hunting for the article and had a read through it, must have been a beast of a thing. Did a google to see if there was anything out there and the same guy who did the article has it on his blog though all black & white pics

[sidecar bob]

I currently have Egbert Streuer's daughter staying at my place.
I'm hoping I can obtain some broken sidecar artefact from days gone by to treasure through this source.:2thumbsup

[Grumph]

I currently have Egbert Streuer's daughter staying at my place.
I'm hoping I can obtain some broken sidecar artefact from days gone by to treasure through this source.:2thumbsup

Graham Harris has had a few notable broken sidecar artifacts pass through his hands....I was shown an R1 that was supposed to have modern F1 world championship history.

[Kickaha]

I currently have Egbert Streuer's daughter staying at my place.
I'm hoping I can obtain some broken sidecar artefact from days gone by to treasure through this source.:2thumbsup

Didn't he make his own two stroke motor, see if he has any spare
edit: yeah the Stredor https://www.flickr.com/photos/teamheronsuzuki/sets/72157594456814612


Graham Harris has had a few notable broken sidecar artifacts pass through his hands....I was shown an R1 that was supposed to have modern F1 world championship history.

Ex Kalffi motors from the Pirate from Klaffis 01 campaign , they would have been well fucked before Graeme even got them

[Drew]

Heading to Manfeild today. Should prolly do some work to get the chair ready.

[sidecar bob]

Ex Kalffi motors from the Pirate from Klaffis 01 campaign , they would have been well fucked before Graeme even got them

If they weren't fucked before, the certainly would have been after,
He claims you have to take .020 thou off the head every season, kind of like mowing the lawns.
If anyone has a logical explanation as to how that works, I'm all ears.

[Grumph]

If they weren't fucked before, the certainly would have been after,
He claims you have to take .020 thou off the head every season, kind of like mowing the lawns.
If anyone has a logical explanation as to how that works, I'm all ears.

Gives new meaning to "tuning to a standstill"...

[Kickaha]

If they weren't fucked before, the certainly would have been after,
He claims you have to take .020 thou off the head every season, kind of like mowing the lawns.
If anyone has a logical explanation as to how that works, I'm all ears.

I don't even have a logical explanation a to how he can breath unaided with that little brain power

Apparently you also have to redo valve clearances after pretty much every meeting as well, despite the fact we can do 3 seasons with no problems on ours

[sidecar bob]

Apparently you also have to redo valve clearances after pretty much every meeting as well, despite the fact we can do 3 seasons with no problems on ours

To be fair, You can also do three seasons without wiping your wheels with a rag though.:bleh:

[Grumph]

I don't even have a logical explanation a to how he can breath unaided with that little brain power

Apparently you also have to redo valve clearances after pretty much every meeting as well, despite the fact we can do 3 seasons with no problems on ours

I will say to that, that yamaha produced some kit valves which stretched badly....But you'd hope they'd all been used up by now.
But y'know, budget and general stubborness...

[Kickaha]

To be fair, You can also do three seasons without wiping your wheels with a rag though.:bleh:
I haven't ever gone more than one season without doing that

[Triplenut]

Hi All,
just a quick heads up that we hope to be running classic/post classic sidecars at CAMS club days starting from the 20th Jan 2018 Ruapuna meeting.
We have 4 outfits in the club now with more being built, the intention is to run Pre63, Pre72, Pre82 and Pre89 machines.

If anyone has older outfits that aren't competitive with the modern stuff you are more than welcome , even if they don't fit into the above classes I am sure we can accommodate to help make up the numbers and encourage more people to get into sidecar racing.

There is currently a Pre89 legal machine for sale for $2K in CHCH if anyone is keen ?
Any questions PM me

Cheers
Dave

[merv]

Great showing at Levels over the weekend guys - big ups to you all :banana::clap::cool:

[Drew]

Was pretty awesome alright. Scrivy and Tina got their first win on the new chair, and Alan and myself took the round victory.

[nodrog]

Was pretty awesome alright. Scrivy and Tina got their first win on the new chair, and Alan and myself took the round victory.

I mowed the lawn.

[merv]

Was pretty awesome alright. Alan and myself took the round victory.

Great mate, will that be repeatable as in are you getting used to and setting up the new rig well?

[jellywrestler]

I mowed the lawn.

i talked about group sex and got told off, oddly another commentator called some of the field swingers all weekend but didn't get put in the naughty chair.

[ellipsis]

I mowed the lawn.

...your team looked like a psychedelic lawn...

[Drew]

I mowed the lawn.
And the place looked better for it.

...your team looked like a psychedelic lawn...
The team looks fucken awesome.

[ellipsis]

...yeah...an awesome psychedelic lawn...

[Kickaha]

...yeah...an awesome psychedelic lawn...

Well he seems to have an affinity to grass

[Grumph]

There's a growing interest in post classic chairs down here - I'm being asked for engines.
But I can't find any rules for anything past the register's classic 70's set.

I remember sidecar bob proposing a set which were basically pre 82 but can't find them.
Did they ever get set in stone somewhere ?
There are also some pre 89 outfits reappearing - do we need anything specific to this period in the way of rules ?

I see pre 82 solos having to run with pre 89's - and getting illegal period mods to keep up. What are we likely to see in the way of out-of-period upgrades ?

[sidecar bob]

There's a growing interest in post classic chairs down here - I'm being asked for engines.
But I can't find any rules for anything past the register's classic 70's set.

I remember sidecar bob proposing a set which were basically pre 82 but can't find them.
Did they ever get set in stone somewhere ?
There are also some pre 89 outfits reappearing - do we need anything specific to this period in the way of rules ?

I see pre 82 solos having to run with pre 89's - and getting illegal period mods to keep up. What are we likely to see in the way of out-of-period upgrades ?

It was like hearding argumentative cats, I decided they didn't deserve my valuable time.
Gordie got the rules & made them more betterer, they're buried in this thread somwhere I believe.
They were basically Aussie period 5 rules, blended with MNZ requirements.

[Grumph]

Proposed rules are on page 482.

thanks to mental trousers for assistance.

[husaberg]

Proposed rules are on page 482.

thanks to mental trousers for assistance.


https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/151328-Sidecar-Racing?p=1130813020#post1130813020

[ellipsis]

...we are actually looking for, go slow, bits Grumph...this Imp ain't gonna fly, it's just gonna have to look flash, like the rider and swinger and the trailer...the towing vehicle may have to have a matching paint job too...if that's allowed...

[Grumph]

...we are actually looking for, go slow, bits Grumph...this Imp ain't gonna fly, it's just gonna have to look flash, like the rider and swinger and the trailer...the towing vehicle may have to have a matching paint job too...if that's allowed...

Remember, it's the 80's....dayglo for both the outfit and the tow vehicle.
What's left of your mullet doesn't need to change.....

[ellipsis]

Remember, it's the 80's....dayglo for both the outfit and the tow vehicle.
What's left of your mullet doesn't need to change.....

...my mullet just entered it's seventh decade, somewhat faded and thinner...

[Drew]

...my mullet just entered it's seventh decade, somewhat faded and thinner...

Thinner?

I thought you'd been on chemo between the last two times I saw ya.

[Triplenut]

People have been asking for a copy of the proposed pre 82 rules, sorry it has taken so long for me to get back to you. Here they are. The main bones of it are not negotiable, however we are quite happy to write further clarification into things if required.
This is a copy of the email that was distributed.



Below is the proposed regs for Pre ’82 (Australian period 5) Sidecars, these will be presented to MNZ initially to include in the supplementary regulations, with a view to include them as rules. These rules have been formulated as close to the Australian specifications as possible, mainly so
we can compete with them on a level playing field, & so if their sidecars come up for sale, we can buy & run them here with virtually no modification.
Initially it is intended that Pre ’82 will run in the current F1 F2 modern class & it is likely that these outfits will be on a similar pace to the current F2 machines.
Should numbers increase to a point where there is sufficient to run a Pre ‘82 class alone, the situation will be addressed at such time.
The NZSRA Pre '82 championship will be run in the same races as the modern NZSRA points rounds.
A trophy will be presented at the annual prizegiving to the Pre 82 champion, if only one
outfit contests the championship in the first or subsequent years the trophy will still be awarded to that team.
If anyone would like a hand hooking up with some Aussie teams with a view to purchasing an outfit, let me know, otherwise, get building!!
Cheers, Steve Bryan.


ROAD RACING – PRE 82 POST CLASSIC SIDECARS
Introduction:
Pre 82 which will consist of racing machines manufactured before December 31st 1982.
(a) These rules are intended to ensure a high standard of authenticity and presentation of the representative periods.
(b) All machines must comply with the safety and technical requirements as detailed under chapters 8 & 10 & 27 of the MNZ manual.
(c) Pre 82 specifically excludes the following: Honda VF750F interceptor, Yamaha RZ (all models) Suzuki GSX 1135, GSXR all models GPZ 900 all models Yamaha FJ 1100, Ducati F1 all models Suzuki RG 250, 400, 500 Gamma road bikes.
(d) Maximum engine capacity 1300cc.
Eligibility
The eligibility and dating of post classic sidecars shall be considered in terms of the major components. The group into which a post classic machine is classed will be determined by the age of the newest component.
Front and rear sidecar brakes:
 Manufactured in the period
 Which replicate those manufactured in the period
 Hydraulic bias adjusters permitted
 Linking of brakes permitted
 Front and/or rear sidecar exit configuration
Steering / Front forks:
 Leading or trailing forks with front wheel equally supported on both sides.
Fuel
Open refer to Rule 10.17.3
Fuel induction must be by way of period style carburetor of slide or diaphragm except where fuel injection was fitted as standard (eg GPz 1100 Kawasaki).
Except for period style EI, Lectron and Gardner Flat Slide carburetors, all carburetors are to be of square or round slide type only. All other flat side carburetors are specifically banned, unless fitted to the specific bike during the period. (Onus of proof is on competitor rider or entrant of the machine).
Turbo and supercharging shall not be allowed.
Replica Parts and Materials
Replica parts, major or otherwise, may be used in any proportion, provided that they are true and faithful copies of the original components made to original dimensions from the materials originally specified. In the event of originally specified materials being unobtainable, then materials used must be near to those originally specified.
Carbon Fibre and Kevlar components, major or not, are prohibited in pre 82.
APE and MTC and similar big block after-market engine blocks are prohibited.
Accurate replicas of period equipment that is still manufactured are permitted. Remember that the onus of proof for a period part is on the rider. Any doubt may result in a protest regarding eligibility.
Fairing
Fairing and streamlining must be of the type and style in keeping with the period of competition.
Prohibited Uses – PRE 82 Road Racing Sidecar
 Liquid cooled 4-stroke motorcycle engines
 Rear engine sidecars
 Steerable sidecar wheels
 Monocoque construction
 Banking sidecars
 Electronic fuel injection
 Floating brake discs

Any issues If CAMS borrow these as a basis for our 82 Sidecar rules ?
We are running Pre63, Pre72, Pre82 and Pre89..... just waiting to see what turns up before we get to serious about rules, run what ya brung and sliding more important than rules at present
3 on track last club day 1x 82, 1 x 72, 1 x 89 , at least 3 more under construction - an ironhead harley pre 72, Ellipsis/Lachie Imp 72 and a Mo Halley 89(?) being rebuilt

Cheers

[Grumph]

I'd doubt if there'd be a problem Dave. Someone - you ? - needs to sit down and consolidate them into one set from the MNZ book and the register bylaws with the time periods and their differences clear. This would be a great help for anyone building something so they can get wheel diameters and widths right for a start. i'm sure Spyda or Steve - or any of the old buggers lurking here - would help clarify things.
Have a look at the aussie rules as they stand now too - as Steve said, we could see some of them here.

[jellywrestler]

Have a look at the aussie rules as they stand now too - as Steve said, we could see some of them here.
they've still got time to squeeze them into the hampton downs moto fest and dilute the New Zealand tourist Trophy meeting down a little bit more!

[Grumph]

they've still got time to squeeze them into the hampton downs moto fest and dilute the New Zealand tourist Trophy meeting down a little bit more!

Still hard to draw a crowd to bike racing in Auckland is it ?

[jellywrestler]

Still hard to draw a crowd to bike racing in Auckland is it ?

to add to all the shit, they are now combining supers and 600's and adding a signing session for the 'legends', we all want to see them, but this is on top of the time they will be on the track during the day, i think people will start to resent them big time. now tyhey're chuckingh in free style motocross events, three twnty minutes sessions, with dead track time then, by all means have it, but have it when the track day riders are out there, fuck me, they're having repeated sessions so the track day riders will get to see something else,

[Grumph]

Surely you're joking....If the classes are combined it no longer meets requirements for a national points round.

More grounds to appeal any points that may have been lost.

[jellywrestler]

Surely you're joking....If the classes are combined it no longer meets requirements for a national points round.

More grounds to appeal any points that may have been lost.There's other classes combined like 250 and 300 supers port so don't see how it wouldn't be legal

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[ellipsis]

There's other classes combined like 250 and 300 supers port so don't see how it wouldn't be legal

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...Mickey Mouse is legal but still Mickey Mouse...

[Kickaha]

now tyhey're chuckingh in free style motocross events, three twnty minutes sessions, with dead track time then

What fucking genius idea, I wonder why no other club has thought of doing that

[jellywrestler]

What fucking genius idea, I wonder why no other club has thought of doing that

actually got that wrong, they are overlapping it with track day rides etc...

[sidecar bob]

actually got that wrong, they are overlapping it with track day rides etc...

They should run 600's & supers together, that would save a heap of time & go down like a cup of cold sick . . . .oh, hang on.

[jellywrestler]

They should run 600's & supers together, that would save a heap of time & go down like a cup of cold sick . . . .oh, hang on.

one class in each direction...

[sidecar bob]

one class in each direction...

Now here's a man who understands the meaning of entertainment.

[merv]

Couldn't the sidecars run with the two wheelers too Bob, then there'd only need to be one race class - all in. That would really save time. Bit like a cannonball run on the track.

[Kickaha]

Couldn't the sidecars run with the two wheelers too Bob, then there'd only need to be one race class - all in. That would really save time. Bit like a cannonball run on the track.

I'm fine with that

[husaberg]

Rob North TZ750
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note the rear end it was built and raced in the USA but it did appear at the IOM once but the jackshaft broke.

[Drew]

There's not much to like about the front end and th rear end takes up a shit ton of space.

The fuck is with the truck tyres?

Cool motor.

[Grumph]

There's not much to like about the front end and th rear end takes up a shit ton of space.

Americans...


The fuck is with the truck tyres?


Americans again....


Cool motor.


Agree........

[roogazza]

Agree........

When men were men and women were double breasted !!!!!!
Liked those two stroke chairs from the olden days.

[sidecar bob]

There's not much to like about the front end and th rear end takes up a shit ton of space.

The fuck is with the truck tyres?

Cool motor.

It looks like it was made in Wanganui.

[jellywrestler]

It looks like it was made in Wanganui.

PETE QUILTER from wanganui had a rob north chassis, he said the geomettry was perfect, ie important points but the way the frame tubes got there was interesting, two tubes, one for each side, bent differently, clearly it was function over form.

[Grumph]

PETE QUILTER from wanganui had a rob north chassis, he said the geomettry was perfect, ie important points but the way the frame tubes got there was interesting, two tubes, one for each side, bent differently, clearly it was function over form.

As it should be....

[husaberg]

It looks like it was made in Wanganui.
It was built for Reg Pidmore
Well known BMW racer from the states and 1978 AMA Superbike Champion
His boy Jason was pretty useful as well.;)
Here is the bike with its cloths on at the IOM.
Rob North (himself a very useful sidecar racer back in the UK) was known for building pretty simple but highly functional designs, so there must be a reason for its layout.
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[Grumph]

1/ It seemed like a good idea at the time.

2/ Someone paid him to do it.

3/ There was a single seater race car laying around which had had an accident wiping the left side off it.

[husaberg]

1/ It seemed like a good idea at the time.

2/ Someone paid him to do it.

3/ There was a single seater race car laying around which had had an accident wiping the left side off it.

I'dd plumb for 2, but have you ever seen pics of the fabricated fork yokes he made.
three sections of steel tube ovalised joined together in a triangle cocered with a stressed sheet metal skin

[Grumph]

I'dd plumb for 2, but have you ever seen pics of the fabricated fork yokes he made.
three sections of steel tube ovalised joined together in a triangle cocered with a stressed sheet metal skin

No - but there's a genuine ex works North trident lives in ChCh. How to tell it's the real deal ? Widened Triumph triple clamps.
Bronze welded - and agricultural. Frame's bronze welded too. Current owner wanted to do copies so made up a jig - and it was immediately apparent that as Jelly has remarked above - the two sides weren't the same.
And I knew the guy who bought it in the UK and brought it home with him.

[husaberg]

No - but there's a genuine ex works North trident lives in ChCh. How to tell it's the real deal ? Widened Triumph triple clamps.
Bronze welded - and agricultural. Frame's bronze welded too. Current owner wanted to do copies so made up a jig - and it was immediately apparent that as Jelly has remarked above - the two sides weren't the same.
And I knew the guy who bought it in the UK and brought it home with him.

All the first ones apparently had the head angle wrong as well, they were all the same head angle, just the wrong one.
from memory the fab yokes were for the disc version.
there is a pic of them in a classic bike mag i have somewhere.
Because the bikes were limited run all the parts like tanks were handmade so it didn't mater to Rob if they differed.
The later disc wheels were made in halves bolted together and the discs were supposed to be from a Triumph dolomite machined down.
The frame jig was only made from scap bits and bobs as the chassis was to be a one off funded by Percy Tait with Triumph kicking in a few quid.

[jellywrestler]

were supposed to be from a Triumph dolomite machined down.
must have been a good source for parts, my hesketh has some triumph dolomite used in the engine parts from memory

[Grumph]

must have been a good source for parts, my hesketh has some triumph dolomite used in the engine parts from memory

They thought the bastard things were going to sell so pre-ordered a shitload of stuff. One of the things that brought BL down...

The wide yokes were on drum triples too - that 250mm Fontana is a wide pos.

[roogazza]

was on my usual weekend early morning fang yesterday and while puffing on my cigar A woman come up to me asking about the bike.A bloke chatting to me said this is Gordon Skiltons granddaughter !!!!!
So that started a whole new chat. Some on here will remember the Green chair from years ago.
Gordon is now 80 yrs old and still kicking.
The granddaughter is running the suzuki shop in Pahiatua again after earthquake proofing. She said pop in, the Chair is in the shop too.
Must do that next visit.

[Kickaha]

A woman come up to me asking about the bike.A bloke chatting to me said this is Gordon Skiltons granddaughter !!!!Chair is in the shop

Max, she raced it with him

[roogazza]

Max, she raced it with him

Oh ok, she didn't say.I look forward to seeing her next trip.... (she was obviously a bike nut !).

[jellywrestler]

Max, she raced it with him

differnt granddaughter, unlike you, some people have had sex more than just once.

[Kickaha]

differnt granddaughter, unlike you, some people have had sex more than just once.

Thought about that afterwards, couldn't be arsed editing it on my phone

[old rig]

Come and have a go may the 5th https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180319/de448e36f896bbce3081c4cb2ba5763b.jpg

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[Kickaha]

Come and have a go may the 5th
Fuck that, I saw how you cunts ride (and flip) on the weekend

ps Alan got the pic you missed, check our Team 83 page

[old rig]

Fuck that, I saw how you cunts ride (and flip) on the weekend

ps Alan got the pic you missed, check our Team 83 pageThat's why you need to turn up

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[sidecar bob]

That's why you need to turn up

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We've nearly run out of bikes now, might come along for a ride, it's the only way I'm going to get a go on one.

[old rig]

We've nearly run out of bikes now, might come along for a ride, it's the only way I'm going to get a go on one.Don't forget pinky you big Kids like pinky

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[sidecar bob]

Don't forget pinky you big Kids like pinky

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We put a front wheel off a Commodore on pinky & sold her cheap.

[old rig]

We put a front wheel off a Commodore on pinky & sold her cheap.And some off road suspension as well [emoji38]

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[sidecar bob]

And some off road suspension as well [emoji38]

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We're developing a long travel kit due to the popular demand for off-roading this type of machine
Drew is fairly keen for the first unit.:facepalm:

[Drew]

We're developing a long travel kit due to the popular demand for off-roading this type of machine
Drew is fairly keen for the first unit.:facepalm:

Thanks mate.

[Grumph]

Leg one at Eastern Creek. Irving Vincent must be a weapon on a damp track...

What times were you doing on the Busa ?

[husaberg]

Leg one at Eastern Creek. Irving Vincent must be a weapon on a damp track...

What times were you doing on the Busa ?
Those Irving Vincents head design and cam tech are based on a couple of cylinders of a V8 supercar.
One long flat power curve.
Much like the the Kooistra Hondas they only resemble the origional design, on the outside.

[sidecar bob]

Leg one at Eastern Creek. Irving Vincent must be a weapon on a damp track...

What times were you doing on the Busa ?

Can't remember. I'm over there at the mo running a couple of gsx1100's.
The Vincent looks bloody fast in the flesh too.
Tim Reeves had a go on it at Phillip Island in February & gave them a few chassis setup tips which they acted on.
To be fair, Beau Beaton is a freak on two & three wheels & while it's a beautiful piece of work, it's being ridden extremely hard too.
The last sidecar race got red flagged when sidecar 300 set the rear brake on fire which spread to the bodywork.
They pulled in on the exit of three & tried to signal to Pocahontas. It was quite a blaze for a minute.

[sidecar bob]

Sidecar racing. Bickering is the same the world over.
This shit is pure gold
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oj4-rlQ1vp0

[husaberg]

Sidecar racing. Bickering is the same the world over.
This shit is pure gold
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oj4-rlQ1vp0
Tina clearly needs to trim her toenails
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbLMMixOuGw

[jellywrestler]

Can't remember. I'm over there at the mo running a couple of gsx1100's.
The Vincent looks bloody fast in the flesh too.
Tim Reeves had a go on it at Phillip Island in February & gave them a few chassis setup tips which they acted on.
To be fair, Beau Beaton is a freak on two & three wheels & while it's a beautiful piece of work, it's being ridden extremely hard too.
The last sidecar race got red flagged when sidecar 300 set the rear brake on fire which spread to the bodywork.
They pulled in on the exit of three & tried to signal to Pocahontas. It was quite a blaze for a minute.

is that a rigid rear end on the vinnie steve?

[jellywrestler]

Sidecar racing. Bickering is the same the world over.
This shit is pure gold
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oj4-rlQ1vp0

at least their numbers are legal

[Kickaha]

Sidecar racing. Bickering is the same the world over.
This shit is pure gold
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oj4-rlQ1vp0

I watched all that series ages ago, some of it is funny as fuck

Anyway yesterday I gave my sidecar to some guy whose won a few NZ titles or something on those two wheel things to race for next season, my last outing on it will be KOR next weekend

[ellipsis]

I watched all that series ages ago, some of it is funny as fuck

Anyway yesterday I gave my sidecar to some guy whose won a few NZ titles or something on those two wheel things to race for next season, my last outing on it will be KOR next weekend

...other racing plans I hope?...

[sidecar bob]

I watched all that series ages ago, some of it is funny as fuck

Anyway yesterday I gave my sidecar to some guy whose won a few NZ titles or something on those two wheel things to race for next season, my last outing on it will be KOR next weekend

After seeing how Beau Beaton went on the only sidecar he ever rode, I'd say a competitive solo racer would be a fairly hard charger on any sidecar, even if he has short mans syndrome.

[Kickaha]

...other racing plans I hope?...

May passenger on the AGIP if someone agrees to ride it, maybe some more Buckets or just more trail rides

[Grumph]

Well, if anyone is still interested in sidecars...

This is the engine from the ex George White/Steve Gourdie outfit from the 80's. It's being revived with a view to parading at this years SCF.
Just completed the engine. Someone else is doing the rest. Northerners will remember this outfit as being an annoyingly quick SI local at Nationals.
It ran on big jolts of Nitro at the time. Petrol is in it's future now.

Basically a CB500 four. The four "C"s are done.
Capacity - shall we say, not far short of 700cc...Looks like 750 sleeves with oversize flattops of unknown origin.
Compression - Um, bloody high.
Cam - not marked but I think it's the old Yosh R & T grind from kelford. For 750's so big in a smaller engine.
Carbs - Bigger than stock. I think they may be 750 bodies in the 500 rack.

Jelly removed from the sump - castor oil...Rings unstuck, valves lapped and new seals. Bores deglazed. Years of baked on castor removed
It's exactly as received. No "tuning" No cosmetic improvements. Just clean.

[Kickaha]

Well, if anyone is still interested in sidecars...

Yeah in fact I'm riding the AGIP at Levels tomorrow, got a couple of Northern visitors but they were too big a pair of pussies to bring a sidecar with them

Be interesting to see that bike run again, last time I saw it go it only did the length of the Ruapuna straight

[ellipsis]

...we are very close to having ours on the test runs soon...dunno how it's gonna go...

[jellywrestler]

...we are very close to having ours on the test runs soon...dunno how it's gonna go...

have you got a will sorted?

[Grumph]

have you got a will sorted?

Will was Kick's passenger - but I think Dennis broke him.

Neil will have to find another Will...