Sidecar Racing

[Fast Eddie]

I don't see the problem really..

there are bias/twin master cyl setups that make sure that one circuit will always operate. Will photograph some of phils dads rally/targa car setups when I get to chch end of the week, apparently they do the trick and if one fails u still get full use of the other one. And will test our own on agip bike which I believe will still operates a master cyl effectivly even if one is removed/out of action.

and if you can't get a twin master cyl setup so it can't fail then yea, bolt another caliper and hand brake onto the front disc..

[Fast Eddie]

I read the rule, to mean each brake has to operate at least two wheels. Which is slightly problematic.
Where did you read that?

I read, outfit must have minimum of one brake for the front and rear wheel, and if there is a brake on the sidewheel it must be operated by the rear brake.. something like that.

[Fast Eddie]

Yee ha! Paeroa in 2 weeks, can't wait to see everyone going hard!! We will get up there Saturday night and try link up with the sidecar fam

Just incase anyone hasn't seen the official letter, or for any visitors to the thread..

http://www.mnz.co.nz/news/news-detail/2013/01/31/urgent-notice-to-all-sidecar-competitors

We have a potential problem with some brake set ups which we need to address urgently. We must be proactive in checking for and fixing any problems relating to safety, this is extremely important for the safety of yourselves, fellow competitors, the viewing public and the sports future.

Where outfits are using two master cylinders with a pivoting balance bar arrangement if the geometry of the set up is not correct or there is other faults, what can and has happened is if one of the cylinders loses or boils it’s fluid it is possible that when brake pedal is pushed further that due to a mechanical jamming, binding of other restriction the good cylinder CANNOT be depressed / activated. This contravenes rule
# 27.6.2a "if one system fails the other shall work efficiently ".

You will all need to check that there is no mechanical hindrance or binding in any way in any of the brake lever/pedal set up which would stop the levers travel should either or both cylinders fail. The best way to check this is to open a bleeder on a calliper for one cylinder and push the lever and make sure there is no binding and the other cylinder is able to operate correctly and repeat this for the other cylinder and then do both cylinders at once. With both cylinders fully depressed the foot operated pedal should still be able to travel a small amount further. There must be NO reason why either or both cylinders cannot be FULLY depressed.

Also on any brake set up the cylinder must be able to be FULLY depressed without any hindrance. Please check your outfit in the manner above and make all of the modifications if required

All bikes will need to be checked by a MNZ technical steward or scrutineer in the above manner and signed off before their next race and noted in the log book. This will become part of the two yearly check.

We will be checking all outfits at Paeroa and noting as such in the log books as such you will need the appropriate bleeding tools, hoses and fluid required for your outfit also as this may take some time we thank you in advance for your patience.

There will be NO leeway given as this is a very serious issue so if you can all check and correct if required BEFORE the meetings this will help you being a rider and not a spectator.

We have endeavoured to send this to all competitors, but please forward this on to any one you can.

If you wish to contact me to discuss this or if I can be of any help please do so

Regards

Ian Staples
MNZ Technical Steward, Sidecar

063423786
0273746001
irstaples@clear.net.nz

[old rig]

Bit of stress in the household today, trying to work out how to fix a sidecar that isint broken, with regard to the brake rule, which appears to be a bit of a moving goal post at the moment.
We have a factory built outfit with an extremely fine pedigree, that im not about to rip into modifying & probably effectively making it worse, in a rush, two weeks out from a meeting.
I wonder if anyone else is having the same problem?

yep we had the same problem we got round it buy putting the caplier off the front off my mountain bike on to the sidecar it stops my mountain bike good and now we have two independent braking systems:Punk:

[Drew]

Where did you read that?

I read, outfit must have minimum of one brake for the front and rear wheel, and if there is a brake on the sidewheel it must be operated by the rear brake.. something like that.

Sidecars shall be fitted with at least two efficient brakes operation on at least two of the wheels, with at least two separate operational circuits irrespective of their method of operation. If one system fails the other system shall work efficiently.

Two efficient systems, operating two wheels, independent of one and other.

That's my reading of it. Unfortunately the writer of the rules seems to have failed school certificate comprehension. The use of correct punctuation in the written English language, has made many a lawyer's career I'm sure.

I can see that there's an argument suggesting that should one master fail, on the common bias system, that so long as the other one still works anyway unlike the housebus, it is two systems that work irrespective of the others operation.

But how do you prove it? Bleed your brakes at scrutineering every time you race? I'm kinda all for that actually, since I firmly believe brake fluid should be replaced every meeting.

[Fast Eddie]

Sidecars shall be fitted with at least two efficient brakes operation on at least two of the wheels, with at least two separate operational circuits irrespective of their method of operation. If one system fails the other system shall work efficiently.

Two efficient systems, operating two wheels, independent of one and other..

true, all down to the interpretation.

I just read it as, you need at least one brake on the front and one on the rear, you gotta have at least 2 master cylinders and if one fails the other one should still work. (twin master cyls with bias or a seperate hand operated cyl)

I didn't get too carried away with interpreting the operating 2 wheels bit...

We will just refresh our setup on the agip bike as it as, with twin masters that can work if one fails. plus the hand brake.. It should pass the check I think.

As for bleeding every meeting, thats fine thanks to TransDiesel CHCH who supply me with lovely Agip brake fluid.. www.transdiesel.com

Mo Haley told me they never bothered bleeding the brakes much, apparently vince or dave used to make little inserts out of carbon fibre and just slip them inbetween the brake pads and pistons to remove any pedal travel. He said I should be doing the same..

[Drew]

Mo Haley told me they never bothered bleeding the brakes much, apparently vince or dave used to make little inserts out of carbon fibre and just slip them inbetween the brake pads and pistons to remove any pedal travel. He said I should be doing the same..
The only advantage there, is less heat being transferred to the piston and fluid. If one has to pack out the pads, something isn't working right.

Surprises me that Mr Haley encourages the practice really, it is a symptom fix, not a problem solved I think.

[Fast Eddie]

Surprises me that Mr Haley encourages the practice really, it is a symptom fix, not a problem solved I think.

think the idea was just to stop having that few millimeters of free travel before the brakes really bite. rather than trying to bleed out the free travel all the time as the pads wear down, just slip a finger, er I mean thing in.

might try it out sometime.. need some sheets of thin carbon fibre first.

[Drew]

think the idea was just to stop having that few millimeters of free travel before the brakes really bite. rather than trying to bleed out the free travel all the time as the pads wear down, just slip a finger, er I mean thing in.

might try it out sometime.. need some sheets of thin carbon fibre first.

Ya need a better understanding of how the brakes actually work mate. As pads wear down, they don't force the fluid back as far on release. No air gets into the system that wasn't there at the beginning, and there should never be a gap between the pads and the piston.

[nodrog]

Does one have to go through all this drama if one has a seperate hand operated brake system?

A definative answer from somebody whos in the know might help, ie not kai or drew.

[Fast Eddie]

Ya need a better understanding of how the brakes actually work mate. As pads wear down, they don't force the fluid back as far on release. No air gets into the system that wasn't there at the beginning, and there should never be a gap between the pads and the piston.

true true, didn't think too long before I typed.

googled up uses for shims then, Heat transfer mainly and even spacing.

Not sure what mo was on about then saying don't bother bleeding just put the carbon shims in. (although if your having to bleed them all the time cause the fluids boiling etc then it makes sense.. bit of heat shielding to make the fluid last longer)

meh.. something to play with sometime

[Drew]

Does one have to go through all this drama if one has a seperate hand operated brake system?

A definative answer from somebody whos in the know might help, ie not kai or drew.

We, neither of us, claim to be in the know.

A hand brake and a twin master bias that cannot just bottom out a master without activating the other must be sufficient. All bases are covered no matter who reads it right.

[Fast Eddie]

We, neither of us, claim to be in the know.

A hand brake and a twin master bias that cannot just bottom out a master without activating the other must be sufficient. All bases are covered no matter who reads it right.

lets just run 2 discs on each wheel, 2 full circuits and 2 pedals.. if on system fails move to the next pedal.. maybe operated by the swinger!

[nodrog]

I didnt think it was possible, but alas I have run out of face palms.

[Fast Eddie]

:facepalm:

they are infinite in this world..

[old rig]

Does one have to go through all this drama if one has a seperate hand operated brake system?

A definative answer from somebody whos in the know might help, ie not kai or drew.

nev told me that if i have a hand operated brake all would be good

[sidecar bob]

Does one have to go through all this drama if one has a seperate hand operated brake system?

A definative answer from somebody whos in the know might help, ie not kai or drew.

I spoke with Ian at length this morning on this one.
Providing that the seperate system shares no parts in common with the main brake except the disc, then no problem, the main system can be made of cheese.

[nodrog]

I spoke with Ian at length this morning on this one.
Providing that the seperate system shares no parts in common with the main brake except the disc, then no problem, the main system can be made of cheese.

Maybe somebody with more tact and politeness than me could suggest he may want to mention this in the mass emails he is sending out. It may save a whole lot of people packing their undies.

Its been stressful on the beatties.

[nodrog]

For fucksakes, can you not enter the nationals online?

[Fast Eddie]

For fucksakes, can you not enter the nationals online?

you can if you're patient like a jedi.

print entry form, fill it out, scan it back in or take a photo of it on digi camera.. email it in. pay the money with bank deposit.

edit: if you don't have a printer save it as a jpeg or image file, open it in microsoft paint, fill it out like a retard with a crayon using the pencil or paintbrush tool in paint/photoshop.. save it and email it in.

[sidecar bob]

For fucksakes, can you not enter the nationals online?

Tonight were gonna party like its 1699.

[nodrog]

you can if you're patient like a jedi.

print entry form, fill it out, scan it back in or take a photo of it on digi camera.. email it in. pay the money with bank deposit.

so I pay $250 a year so I can pretend its 1984 again?

[nodrog]

Tonight were gonna party like its 1699.

well i was being nice

[Fast Eddie]

so I pay $250 a year so I can pretend its 1984 again?

George Orwell fan?

[nodrog]

George Orwell fan?

Did he invent the MNZ website? then, no I'm not.

[bucket boy]

For fucksakes, can you not enter the nationals online?
Do you ever stop whinging ,your worse than a woman.

[nodrog]

Do you ever stop whinging ,your worse than a woman.

at least my cock works.

[bucket boy]

at least my cock works.
Not what tinee tells me when she comes around.

[Billy]

Did he invent the MNZ website? then, no I'm not.

Whats the MNZ website got to do with entering online??????

MNZ don't run the individual rounds...The clubs do,Try the AMCC and Victoria MCC websites and see whether you can enter online there.In fact if your real intelligent,You would have noticed that round 5 entries were promoted on this very site just recently.

[Kickaha]

In fact if your real intelligent,
I dont think he's ever been accused of that before

[sidecar bob]

Whats the MNZ website got to do with entering online??????

MNZ don't run the individual rounds...The clubs do,Try the AMCC and Victoria MCC websites and see whether you can enter online there.In fact if your real intelligent,You would have noticed that round 5 entries were promoted on this very site just recently.

Fuck mate, I feel your pain, If they cant blame their swingers you guys are next in line.

[scrivy]

at least my cock works.

Pics or it hasn't happened..........:shifty::laugh:

[scrivy]

I spoke with Ian at length this morning on this one.
Providing that the seperate system shares no parts in common with the main brake except the disc, then no problem, the main system can be made of cheese.

No parts in common? So, you can't use a non-return valve in the main brake line with a shared hand master cylinder, but you can use the same disc??

Well that's me fucked then, all that fucken work for nothing!! Wish some Kahnt would have told me, my rig was ready to go next week.:facepalm:

[Kickaha]

Pics or it hasn't happened..........:shifty::laugh:

Pics or video?

[Drew]

Operate independently kinda summed it up from the get go I thought.

Anyhoo, anyone know how many are entered for the North island rounds for the nats?

[nodrog]

Whats the MNZ website got to do with entering online??????

MNZ don't run the individual rounds...The clubs do,Try the AMCC and Victoria MCC websites and see whether you can enter online there.In fact if your real intelligent,You would have noticed that round 5 entries were promoted on this very site just recently.

Im far from intelligent, infact some would say i am borderline retarded. I can hardly turn a computer on let alone make a website. But even i wouldnt be dumb enough to put a button that says "enter event here" on a website if it did nothing.

[scrivy]

Im far from intelligent, infact some would say i am borderline retarded. I can hardly turn a computer on let alone make a website. But even i wouldnt be dumb enough to put a button that says "enter event here" on a website if it did nothing.

Wanna root?

[scrivy]

Im far from intelligent, infact some would say i am borderline retarded. I can hardly turn a computer on let alone make a website. But even i wouldnt be dumb enough to put a button that says "enter event here" on a website if it did nothing.

Does Stirts have "Enter Here" down there???

[nodrog]

Pics or it hasn't happened..........:shifty::laugh:

after lastnight drill escapade Im lucky i still have a penis, tried to upload pics but i seem to be infracted for some reason.


I dont think he's ever been accused of that before

I make you look smart.


Wanna root?

yes please.


Does Stirts have "Enter Here" down there???

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/funny-panties-pictures-6.jpg?w=500

[Kickaha]

infact some would say i am borderline retarded.

Nothing borderline about it

[Fast Eddie]

This was a good watch:

about 7:12 - 7:20 is a good run by the no.2 black bike, chair right in the air and then a wheelie over crest.. looks mint! plenty more footage like that..

Track looks awesome!

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/AvqWWuzsUew" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[Kickaha]

about 7:12 - 7:20 is a good run by the no.2 black bike, chair right in the air and then a wheelie over crest.. looks mint! plenty more footage like that..

Well he is on an LCR so he'd be awesome anyway

[scrivy]

This was a good watch:

about 7:12 - 7:20 is a good run by the no.2 black bike, chair right in the air and then a wheelie over crest.. looks mint! plenty more footage like that..

Track looks awesome!


Nice video!

No long bikes Kick............

[Kickaha]

Nice video!

No long bikes Kick............

Just a guess on my part but that could be because it's F2:facepalm:

Plenty of LCRs though

[sidecar bob]

Just a guess on my part but that could be because it's F2:facepalm:

Plenty of LCRs though

Do they run airbag front suspension with no dampers now? thats what that black outfit at 7.00-7.20 is running by the look.

[Kickaha]

Do they run airbag front suspension with no dampers now?
You'd never know with those short bike riding munters, could be anything

[scrivy]

Just a guess on my part but that could be because it's F2:facepalm:

Plenty of LCRs though

I know Kick, that's why I said it, no long bikes, after your reference of LCR's.......
Was taking the piss...............

[Fast Eddie]

Was taking the piss...............

don't piss into the wind..

[Kickaha]

no long bikes
I found some for you, same track as well

http://youtu.be/bZRFkywIoto

[scrivy]

I found some for you, same track as well


:whocares::yawn::zzzz::puke:

[Kickaha]

:whocares::yawn::zzzz::puke:

:finger:
As near as I can find the F1 lap record is 1.31.995s and F2 1.37 something, I reckon the fast F2 would be in amongst the slower F1 bikes if they ran a mixed grid

[sidecar bob]

:finger:
As near as I can find the F1 lap record is 1.31.995s and F2 1.37 something, I reckon the fast F2 would be in amongst the slower F1 bikes if they ran a mixed grid

An old F2 came 4the at Wanganui in a mixed grid & ran as high as 3rd at Levels, mixed grid also.

[nodrog]

An old F2 came 4the at Wanganui in a mixed grid & ran as high as 3rd at Levels, mixed grid also.

To be fair it was running a 1200cc ,4 cylinder, guzzi engine, on nitromethane.

[jellywrestler]

An old F2 came 4the at Wanganui in a mixed grid & ran as high as 3rd at Levels, mixed grid also.

And one won the NZTT at Pukekohe one year too

[scrivy]

:finger:
As near as I can find the F1 lap record is 1.31.995s and F2 1.37 something, I reckon the fast F2 would be in amongst the slower F1 bikes if they ran a mixed grid

I wonder where they'd be if they ran 1000cc engines too??

[Kickaha]

I wonder where they'd be if they ran 1000cc engines too??

At somewhere like Cadwell I think they'd be winning

[scrivy]

At somewhere like Cadwell I think they'd be winning

I'd agree with you there.

[Kickaha]

I also think it's a real pity they cant run short F1 bikes in worlds or British champs, if they had rules like ours they could build anything they wanted

[scrivy]

I also think it's a real pity they cant run short F1 bikes in worlds or British champs, if they had rules like ours they could build anything they wanted

What is their rule?
Surely LCR could build a wild shorty 1000cc.

I guess though, the limiting factor would be the passengers...... in all seriousness.

[Kickaha]

What is their rule?
Surely LCR could build a wild shorty 1000cc.

I guess though, the limiting factor would be the passengers...... in all seriousness.

I would have to find them but I think the way it is worded stops using anything with a leading link front end, not sure if you could do short hub centre F1

Passengers would adapt

[scrivy]

I would have to find them but I think the way it is worded stops using anything with a leading link front end, not sure if you could do short hub centre F1
Several rigs in Aus were hubbed.

Passengers would adapt
You reckon? At the LCR long bike speeds, trying to swing on a shorty would be fricken difficult.... Only person in NZ that can do it at near those speeds on the side of a shorty is Sidecar Bob.
Would you care to be on the side of a wild shorty around timaru doing 1:08's??
I wouldnt!

[Kickaha]

You reckon?
Yes I do, it's all a matter of what you get used to

In my first season when we first went under 2 minutes at Ruapuna I though we were going fast, we we hit 1.55 I wasn't sure how we could go faster, when we hit 1.49 I thought that was getting close to my limit, at 1.45 I wonder how the fuck Denny did 1.39 without falling off from exhaustion

At the LCR long bike speeds, trying to swing on a shorty would be fricken difficult....
At LCR long bike speeds swinging on an LCR would be fricken difficult to

Would you care to be on the side of a wild shorty around timaru doing 1:08's??
I dont care to be on a long bike doing several seconds slower than that at Timaru, we should go back to Teretonga it's way easier (unless you're Pig than you'll fall off anyway)

[nodrog]

Yes I do, it's all a matter of what you get used to

In my first season when we first went under 2 minutes at Ruapuna I though we were going fast, we we hit 1.55 I wasn't sure how we could go faster, when we hit 1.49 I thought that was getting close to my limit, at 1.45 I wonder how the fuck Denny did 1.39 without falling off from exhaustion

and then you got a ride on a BMW ........

[scrivy]

I wonder how the fuck Denny did 1.39 without falling off from exhaustion


WTF?? When did he do 1:39's???:crazy::scratch:

[Kickaha]

WTF?? When did he do 1:39's???:crazy::scratch:

2011 1:39.656


and then you got a ride on a BMW ........

Well that was a whole new level to step up to

[Fast Eddie]

2011 1:39.656

c'mon kick, you just wrote a date and a time there.. anyone can do that. videos..photos.. wheres the proof!

[Kickaha]

c'mon kick, you just wrote a date and a time there.. anyone can do that. videos..photos.. wheres the proof!

Maybe they hacked mylaps as well http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=1782739

[sidecar bob]

Maybe they hacked mylaps as well http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=1782739

Probably did, given the other stuff thats come out so far.

[scrivy]

]
2011 1:39.656


Ahem..........278048

:woohoo:

[sidecar bob]

Ahem..........278046
:woohoo:

That was the time we stopped just before the transponder loop & pushed it over wasnt it?

[Drew]

Maybe they hacked mylaps as well http://www.mylaps.com/results/showrun.jsp?id=1782739
Fuck that was a cool weekend!

Fuck we were slow on Leanne's chair.

[Drew]

]

Ahem..........278048

:woohoo:

Looks like someone missed the dipper to me. Since at the top it says the best lap time on the day was 1m43s

[sidecar bob]

Looks like someone missed the dipper to me. Since at the top it says the best lap time on the day was 1m43s

Ya gimp Scrivy, if youre going to try to wind up Kick, at least do it properly.

[scrivy]

Ya gimp Scrivy, if youre going to try to wind up Kick, at least do it properly.

Fuck dude, it took me all of 50 seconds, I was in a hurry......, and I was selling plastic containers to someone, and I was doing the cashbook, and ordering, and paying creditors, and printing off invoices and statements for my debtors, and booking my van in for a warrant, and making a coffee, and doing and paying the wages....... give me a break......:sweatdrop

I'll try harder nek time.....

[sidecar bob]

Fuck dude, it took me all of 50 seconds, I was in a hurry......, and I was selling plastic containers to someone, and I was doing the cashbook, and ordering, and paying creditors, and printing off invoices and statements for my debtors, and booking my van in for a warrant, and making a coffee, and doing and paying the wages....... give me a break......:sweatdrop

I'll try harder nek time.....

It dosent need to be that hard. I had one guy doing a wof, one doing a service, a lady taking the money & answering the phone while making up a banking, & I was on KB. Work smarter, not harder. :facepalm:

[scrivy]

It dosent need to be that hard. I had one guy doing a wof, one doing a service, a lady taking the money & answering the phone while making up a banking, & I was on KB. Work smarter, not harder. :facepalm:

But ya see, I just did 6 people out of a job. So I get to take it all home....... :woohoo:
How much your wage bill each week....... :shifty:

[sidecar bob]

But ya see, I just did 6 people out of a job. So I get to take it all home....... :woohoo:
How much your wage bill each week....... :shifty:

About six & a half ten inch slicks.

[scrivy]

About six & a half ten inch slicks.

Same as me doing 6 people out of a job......

[Stirts]

How much your wage bill each week....... :shifty:


About six & a half ten inch slicks, and a reach-around from Gordie :love:

Slappas....
278077

[Fast Eddie]

278084

swingers in nz need to step up their game.. waving is just too easy

[nodrog]

you should have when bob took me up the dirt track

[nodrog]

here you go Kai

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-TZ500-Engine-Egbert-Streuer-LCR-Krauser-Sidecar-/251215159936?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3a7d972280

[Fast Eddie]

here you go Kai

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yamaha-TZ500-Engine-Egbert-Streuer-LCR-Krauser-Sidecar-/251215159936?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item3a7d972280

yum... my birthdays in april so you can just wait til then if you like?

[Fast Eddie]

..bob took me up the dirt track

????? :gob:

[Kickaha]

:woohoo:

Good try dickhead, it would have been more believable if you'd edited the bit where it says best time


Fuck that was a cool weekend!

Fuck we were slow on Leanne's chair.
For your second time out with a different swinger on an old outfit you were doing ok

[scrivy]

Sweet, the mighty BMW and I have a date this weekend!! :woohoo:

I still love you big Fwwwrrrrrr, (even though I blew you up last time......) :love:

I'll be nicer to you.......



Well, nicer than Gordy was..... he pulled ya head off, and rammed his manhood down your throat....:laugh:

[sidecar bob]

Practice at Hampton Downs has been put on hold for the rest of the day, due to tar bleed & the surface generally falling apart.
Apparently some resealing was done last night, & thats where the problem is.

[sidecar bob]

Sweet, the mighty BMW and I have a date this weekend!! :woohoo:

I still love you big Fwwwrrrrrr, (even though I blew you up last time......) :love:

I'll be nicer to you.......



Well, nicer than Gordy was..... he pulled ya head off, and rammed his manhood down your throat....:laugh:

New revised redline is 5800, due to the fact that I dont have time to rebuild it before the Aussies take it around Paeroa next weekend.
Better than not spanking your monkey at all though.

[nodrog]

And i thought i was thick not using enough hardener when i bogged my fairings . .

[sidecar bob]

And i thought i was thick not using enough hardener when i bogged my fairings . .

And you didnt bog them 12 hours before a big race where people had paid you lots of money to compete either.

[nodrog]

And you didnt bog them 12 hours before a big race where people had paid you lots of money to compete either.

You may as well leave the sidecar here, and take a trailer full of ken over.

[scrivy]

New revised redline is 5800, due to the fact that I dont have time to rebuild it before the Aussies take it around Paeroa next weekend.
Better than not spanking your monkey at all though.

WTF?? did Gordy put you up to that? So went dont beat his lap times???

[scrivy]

Couldn't race at puke due to trackwork, and now HD is getn work done a day before a big international meet?? lets race at taupo..... And i can stay home!
Anyway, a greasy track will just mean more sideways fun!!!

[scrivy]

I said greasy TRACK Kai..... Geez......

[scrivy]

And i thought i was thick not using enough hardener when i bogged my fairings . .

We dont think youre thick.....

[nodrog]

WTF?? did Gordy put you up to that? So went dont beat his lap times???

Thats 900rpm more than i had there, not to mention the huge weight penalty i had.

[scrivy]

Thats 900rpm more than i had there, not to mention the huge weight penalty i had.

Bullshit! i heard you valve bouncing it! or was that your teeth??
Kick heavier than bob?

[Drew]

Kick heavier than bob?.....:no:.....

[Kickaha]

New revised redline is 5800
Gordy had it doing twice that,maybe even a bit more on downchanges

Kick heavier than bob?
Fuck he's a fat cunt

[Voltaire]

I went down there for a ride today, did not see much point in practice when there was a Triumph track day on as well....I was sitting on the bank watching the hairpin. Terry Martin ( Triumph Triple and sometime BMW sidecar starter) came thru on lap 2 had it nicely leaned over and bang down he went......on a rather random looking bit of new patch right in the apex. He got it up and restarted.....
Early to bed tonight as spaces looked to be at a premium. Nice to see the sidecar ladies today on their big beasty Triumphs :shutup:

[Fast Eddie]

I said greasy TRACK Kai..... Geez......

giggidy

churr, hope they sort hampers out fr nats!!

[Stirts]

Couldn't race at puke due to trackwork, and now HD is getn work done a day before a big international meet??

Rumor yesterday was that the contractors machinery wasn't functioning 100% (the polymer and additive mix top layer not up to temp?) but they laid it anyway.


lets race at taupo..... And i can stay home!

Apparently Taupo are experiencing the exact same issues ... wonder if they use the same contractors? :facepalm:


I went down there for a ride today, did not see much point in practice when there was a Triumph track day on as well....I was sitting on the bank watching the hairpin. Terry Martin ( Triumph Triple and sometime BMW sidecar starter) came thru on lap 2 had it nicely leaned over and bang down he went......on a rather random looking bit of new patch right in the apex. He got it up and restarted....

I felt sorry for the Triumph Trackday fullus and fullesses, not really much of a go. But man there were some farken sexy Triumphs there.


Nice to see the sidecar ladies today on their big beasty Triumphs :shutup:

Was a nice pootle upto HD, Tracey and I swapped bikes ... I must say, I think I am falling for the 675 :love:

[scrivy]

:cry::crybaby:
Only got Saturday races in........... BMW cracked a piston, and thankfully we caught it just before it went bang..............

GEEZUZ GORDY!!! You're fucken hard on gear!!! I never got to wring it's neck............. You wrecked my turn eh!!:angry2::ar15:

[Kornholio]

:cry::crybaby:
Only got Saturday races in........... BMW cracked a piston, and thankfully we caught it just before it went bang..............

GEEZUZ GORDY!!! You're fucken hard on gear!!! I never got to wring it's neck............. You wrecked my turn eh!!:angry2::ar15:

You know he's gonna blame the swinger for that :/

[Kickaha]

Only got Saturday races in........... BMW cracked a piston, and thankfully we caught it just before it went bang.....
What one? was it the one that got damaged when we rode it?

How did you go up until then?

[Fast Eddie]

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time to fix agip bike,

rebuild rear shock (hopefully) and re-grease all the pivot points on the swingarm/suspension.

Doesn't look like there are bearings in the swingarm, just gets 2 big bolts holding it in.. thought there would be more to it actually.

Didn't seem to any slop or play anywhere so will clean it out and re-grease. chuck shock back in and hope that might help the handling.

Doing the brakes too, rebuild all calipers and the master cylinders and spend some time with the bias setup trying to get the slop out of it and find out how to work it and setup the bias hopefully.

Then it'll be test session time to see if any improvement! hope so.

[Kickaha]

Baker F2 for sale on Steve place http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=45121
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[nodrog]

What one? was it the one that got damaged when we rode it?

How did you go up until then?

It was th one in your side, so its your fault. Had stress cracks in it, from overloading i suspect.

Apparently it was handling abit funny too .. . .

[Drew]

time to fix agip bike,

rebuild rear shock (hopefully) and re-grease all the pivot points on the swingarm/suspension.

Doesn't look like there are bearings in the swingarm, just gets 2 big bolts holding it in.. thought there would be more to it actually.

Didn't seem to any slop or play anywhere so will clean it out and re-grease. chuck shock back in and hope that might help the handling.

Doing the brakes too, rebuild all calipers and the master cylinders and spend some time with the bias setup trying to get the slop out of it and find out how to work it and setup the bias hopefully.

Then it'll be test session time to see if any improvement! hope so.I would hope there are bearings in the swing arm pivot, but might be bushes.

[scrivy]

It was th one in your side, so its your fault. Had stress cracks in it, from overloading i suspect.

Apparently it was handling abit funny too .. . .

YIP! It was Kicks side. I don't know how engines work, but it was Kicks side - so his pie consumption is to blame.... Period.

It wasn't handling funny, it was the clown swinging on it.....:laugh:

We were so lucky to have pulled it down for a look, otherwise it clearly would have gone BANG.
Tell tales signs of the oil bottle being filled, and the amount of gases coming out also at idle were the clincher..... compression tested ok, so another WTF moment. I told Bob I wasn't happy going out with it like that, so he thought he'd like a closer look.... Thank fuck he did.

Anyway, was good to watch the races from the apartment having a few bevvies instead.....
Tracey and her brother Bryan were going hard on their first time out. Chris and Richie had some great battles with them too. JB and Rat won all their races, and the sitters of Nev and Willy were as usual, putting on a great spectacle!!

[Fast Eddie]

I would hope there are bearings in the swing arm pivot, but might be bushes.

see photo..

just bushes it looks like, not sure what they are made out of. Will take it to the parts washer n clean all the shit out of it. Put fresh grease in everywhere.

Shock is in the shop finally, hoping they pull it apart asap and rebuild it. See how much it costs/what it comes back like and if its worth it will do the front as well.

pulling all the brake gear off the bike and get into refreshing all that.

Will take front swingarm off later today and see what else I can occupy myself with.

(edit: see how the swing arm is attached to the bike, just a bolt on each side. not even particularly big bolts. I thought there would have been a big shaft that went right the way through. Oh well, its made it this far in life it obviously works)

[Drew]

see photo..

just bushes it looks like, not sure what they are made out of. Will take it to the parts washer n clean all the shit out of it. Put fresh grease in everywhere.

Shock is in the shop finally, hoping they pull it apart asap and rebuild it. See how much it costs/what it comes back like and if its worth it will do the front as well.

pulling all the brake gear off the bike and get into refreshing all that.

Will take front swingarm off later today and see what else I can occupy myself with.

(edit: see how the swing arm is attached to the bike, just a bolt on each side. not even particularly big bolts. I thought there would have been a big shaft that went right the way through. Oh well, its made it this far in life it obviously works)


Hmmm, must be a pressed fit bush since the bolts just go straight into it. Those M10 bolts are high tensile items, they are plenty big enough.

[sidecar bob]

Was a nice pootle upto HD, Tracey and I swapped bikes ... I must say, I think I am falling for the 675 :love:

Back of the line for you young lady.
The best part of the weekend was thrashing it home trying to keep up with the 636, its a very cool little bike.
I suppose gordy told you I was spanking my monkey all the way, I should have got one of those instead of that stupid RSV1000 a few years ago.

[Voltaire]

I was talking to Will ( Triumph pre unit) at the prize giving and he said that was his last event. :shit:

Kick should have come up for then street races ......at Pie Roa.... :lol: he'd have to drink L and P though......

[Fast Eddie]

Those M10 bolts are high tensile items, they are plenty big enough.

chur, good to know. back into it for me.

[nodrog]

Back of the line for you young lady.
The best part of the weekend was thrashing it home trying to keep up with the 636, its a very cool little bike.
I suppose gordy told you I was spanking my monkey all the way, I should have got one of those instead of that stupid RSV1000 a few years ago.
Mines only a 600, no cheating for me. The tinted visor in the dark was another one of my good ideas. I hope you cleared the speedo, and wiped the jizz off the tank.

I was talking to Will ( Triumph pre unit) at the prize giving and he said that was his last event. :shit:

Kick should have come up for then street races ......at Pie Roa.... :lol: he'd have to drink L and P though......

Watched your first race from the apartments, hope you got your throttle fixed before your other races?

[Voltaire]

Watched your first race from the apartments, hope you got your throttle fixed before your other races?

That's as fast as me and the old beamer go sonny...... :laugh: Still got to pass a couple of Bonnies and a 850 Norton later in the day..... :woohoo:

[Stirts]

Back of the line for you young lady.

Race ya for it biarch!!

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I suppose gordy told you I was spanking my monkey all the way, I should have got one of those instead of that stupid RSV1000 a few years ago.

Yeah, but he thought you were spanking your monkey to keep warm riding home in those "leathers"


I was talking to Will ( Triumph pre unit) at the prize giving and he said that was his last event. :shit:

:weep:



Watched your first race from the apartments, hope you got your throttle fixed before your other races?

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[sidecar bob]

BMW update.
Ive just spent 15 minutes pulling a perfectly good twin plug head, barrell & piston off a spare rough R100rs I bought a while back. (sorry captain purple, thats the end of you as a bike) It should take about twice as long to re assemble it on the sidecar tonight, repeat again tomorrow lunchtime & night on the other side & we will be running reliably again for the Aussies at Paeroa!!

[Stirts]

and the sitters of Nev and Willy were as usual, putting on a great spectacle!!

The Matchie is AWESOME, albeit I had one go, and it was only practice, and my timing was shit, and, and, and giving Nev strict instructions to take it easy on me.

Damn near shit my pants when I couldn't reach the left hand grab, but grabbed Nev instead :o

BUT what an awesome feeling it was when we were sliding round those corners :drool:

[Stirts]

re assemble it on the sidecar tonight

I'll send my Bitch round :niceone:

[sidecar bob]

I'll send my Bitch round :niceone:

Hook up with Tracey in the food & beveridge dept & see if she has any plans for feeding hungry bitches.

[nodrog]

The Matchie is AWESOME, albeit I had one go, and it was only practice, and my timing was shit, and, and, and giving Nev strict instructions to take it easy on me.

Damn near shit my pants when I couldn't reach the left hand grab, but grabbed Nev instead :o

BUT what an awesome feeling it was when we were sliding round those corners :drool:

You dont think im that awesome.

Sounds like im being traded in.

[Stirts]

You dont think im that awesome.

Sounds like im being traded in.

Nah, you're awesomer, even when it is that time already...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_or3fycEqfEM/SZEaZH1q7DI/AAAAAAAAA7Y/qF-ShzKt0bY/s320/tampon+toys.jpg

[scrivy]

Damn near shit my pants when I couldn't reach the left hand grab, but grabbed Nev instead :o


Eh???! The left hand hold, but you grabbed Nev instead?? Errr..... Nev sits on the right of it. How did you grab Nev on the right going for a handle on the left??
Fuck me..... if you swing for Gordy, you'll both be a circus act thats hard to follow!!!
:woohoo:

[scrivy]

Nah, you're awesomer, even when it is that time already...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_or3fycEqfEM/SZEaZH1q7DI/AAAAAAAAA7Y/qF-ShzKt0bY/s320/tampon+toys.jpg

What time??
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[swarfie]

The Matchie is AWESOME, albeit I had one go, and it was only practice, and my timing was shit, and, and, and giving Nev strict instructions to take it easy on me.

Damn near shit my pants when I couldn't reach the left hand grab, but grabbed Nev instead :o

BUT what an awesome feeling it was when we were sliding round those corners :drool:


Glad you enjoyed the experience and sorry I should have remembered that Jo doesn't use that handle either (thought I smelt a little poo! :blink:)...she hangs onto my growing whiskey belly :laugh: and when Graeme Cole was on board he used to put his hand on the back of the tank....photos always made it look like he was gripping the nut-bag..."We aren't going to hurt each other are we!?"
And your'e right, the Matchy is frigging awesome and Jo and I had a ball sliding around putting a show on for the crowd :Punk::woohoo::woohoo: No grip and no brakes :woohoo:
Bring on PIE-Roa:Punk:

[scrivy]

"Mercedes's Lewis Hamilton says a rear brake failure caused him to crash during his first testing session for his new team in Jerez.
Cameras at the circuit did not capture the crash, from which Hamilton walked away unhurt. The British driver ploughed across a gravel trap into a tyre wall 15 laps into the session following a braking problem.
The 2008 world champion says it was a "pretty heavy" impact, but is glad it has happened now in testing, rather than during the season."

Fark!! He was doing about 300kmh before the failure.......

I wonder if FIM will change their brake system??

[racer40]

Had great fun racing against Brian & Tracey all weekend, also Scrivy & Bob on day 1, even had fun with the Matchless & Guzzie in last race. I hope Will isnt retiring. and being as i didnt blow the Norton up, i may get it next year, thanks guys

[Kickaha]

Kick should have come up for then street races ......at Pie Roa.... :lol: he'd have to drink L and P though......
Lend us your bike then Mr


Watched your first race from the apartments, hope you got your throttle fixed before your other races?
Apartments?, you rich cunts

but grabbed Nev instead
He probably thought he was about to get a handjob in return for taking you for a ride

[Kornholio]

He probably thought he was about to get a handjob in return for taking you for a ride

I would be expecting the same thing............

[sidecar bob]

Well, the beemer is half done as planned. Gordy came over & helped big time last night, same again tonight.
He also made a very chur caliper braket for pinky out of Heineken box. It should work mint, after hes fed it into his cnc machine & copied it in alloy that is.

[Drew]

Well, the beemer is half done as planned. Gordy came over & helped big time last night, same again tonight.
He also made a very chur caliper braket for pinky out of Heineken box. It should work mint, after hes fed it into his cnc machine & copied it in alloy that is.

Ha! That's exactly what I used to make the template for our extra brake calliper.

[nodrog]

Well, the beemer is half done as planned. Gordy came over & helped big time last night, same again tonight.
He also made a very chur caliper braket for pinky out of Heineken box. It should work mint, after hes fed it into his cnc machine & copied it in alloy that is.

The prototype is done, i just hope Ken didnt help with the dimensions.

[sidecar bob]

The prototype is done, i just hope Ken didnt help with the dimensions.

He was involved in the process right from the start.

[Drew]

The prototype is done, i just hope Ken didnt help with the dimensions.


He was involved in the process right from the start.

He's helpful like that.

[nodrog]

He was involved in the process right from the start.


He's helpful like that.

Mint, i can blame him for the writing on it then!

[Fast Eddie]

where do you buy real tie wire/lock wire from? racing shit. I just bought some from bunnings and its shit, keeps snapping while under bugger all tension, when I try and lock wire stuff up.

[Weaver]

where do you buy real tie wire/lock wire from? racing shit. I just bought some from bunnings and its shit, keeps snapping while under bugger all tension, when I try and lock wire stuff up.

I use stainless mig wire. I wouldn't suggest going out and buying a whole roll of that though. I've seen people buying the proper stuff from a bike shop before.

[budda]

where do you buy real tie wire/lock wire from? racing shit. I just bought some from bunnings and its shit, keeps snapping while under bugger all tension, when I try and lock wire stuff up.

Your friendly local BIKE SHOP .... support the guys who support the Sport

[Fast Eddie]

cheers, I'm in chch so not sure whats about... place is all fucked since I last lived here. Damn quakes.

Will google some bike shops

[Fast Eddie]

Need some advice on disassembling my rear hub..

I've taken off as much as I can from the rear hub assembly.. I was now hoping the axle and that whole assembly would just slide out of the swing arm. But it doesn't.. I tapped it with a rubber mallet and doesn't seem to move.

Any ideas on how it would come out? Or if I should just hit it harder.. It looks like the splines on the axle are stopping it sliding through the bearings and sliding out.

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[nodrog]

Need some advice on disassembling my rear hub..

I've taken off as much as I can from the rear hub assembly.. I was now hoping the axle and that whole assembly would just slide out of the swing arm. But it doesn't.. I tapped it with a rubber mallet and doesn't seem to move.

Any ideas on how it would come out? Or if I should just hit it harder.. It looks like the splines on the axle are stopping it sliding through the bearings and sliding out.

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Pull the circlip off first?

[Kornholio]

Pull the circlip off first?

A bigger hammer should dislodge that pesky circlip... presto

[Fast Eddie]

Pull the circlip off first?

There's no circlip there. Unless I'm blinder than I am retarded.

[nodrog]

There's no circlip there. Unless I'm blinder than I am retarded.

i dont think thats possible.

[Fast Eddie]

..so that's your only idea, Gordy?

Come over and give us a hand.. short jog from your pad

[swarfie]

There's no circlip there. Unless I'm blinder than I am retarded.

Bigger hit with a SOFT hammer required (copper mallet). Try putting the nut back on so the thread doesn't get damaged too :angry:...it looks as if its been there for a while :laugh:

[nodrog]

..so that's your only idea, Gordy?

Come over and give us a hand.. short jog from your pad

Its hard to see on my phone, but if you are sure there is no circlip or wire type retainer ring in there, then as nev said beat it like you are tony veitch. If you dont have a soft hammer at least wind a sacrifical nut on the end and hit that.

I would love to pop around and help, but im abit busy, heath and bianca are going throgh a rough patch didnt you know.

[swarfie]

Its hard to see on my phone, but if you are sure there is no circlip or wire type retainer ring in there, then as nev said beat it like you are tony veitch. If you dont have a soft hammer at least wind a sacrifical nut on the end and hit that.

I would love to pop around and help, but im abit busy, heath and bianca are going throgh a rough patch didnt you know.

Holy shit Gordy do you live on this thread??? I never even got to editing my answer and you chip in with the same idea...two GREAT minds think alike :laugh::woohoo:

[nodrog]

Holy shit Gordy do you live on this thread??? I never even got to editing my answer and you chip in with the same idea...two GREAT minds think alike :laugh::woohoo:

I have to do somthing while i hide from the boss nev.

[sidecar bob]

Holy shit Gordy do you live on this thread??? I never even got to editing my answer and you chip in with the same idea...two GREAT minds think alike :laugh::woohoo:

My Grandad said, great minds think alike, & fools seldom differ.

[swarfie]

My Grandad said, great minds think alike, & fools seldom differ.

Much like you your Grandad was a "smart" man :yawn: Get back to work before your boss catches you....ooppps forgot ...you are the boss...as you were :laugh::laugh:

OH...forgot.... your married now so I guess your'e not the boss afterall

[Fast Eddie]

Broke out some crayons...

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.. Gave it a few more taps, I can't see much of whats going on in the swingarm but the way the shaft is shaped I don't think it can slide through the bearings.. maybe the bearings have to come out as well? seems dumb.. I was reluctant to hit too hard incase I fuck the bearings.

Started trying to take off the brake disc to see if maybe it slides out the other way but nah the wheel hub is welded on it looks like, its not going that way. (and the brake disc can't even come off until the whole assembly is out of the swingarm so that was a waste of good swear words and knuckle skin undoing those siezed up bolts.. pretty sure it has to come out the way I originally thought)

[swarfie]

Broke out some crayons...

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.. Gave it a few more taps, I can't see much of whats going on in the swingarm but the way the shaft is shaped I don't think it can slide through the bearings.. maybe the bearings have to come out as well? seems dumb.. I was reluctant to hit too hard incase I fuck the bearings.

Started trying to take off the brake disc to see if maybe it slides out the other way but nah the wheel hub is welded on it looks like, its not going that way. (and the brake disc can't even come off until the whole assembly is out of the swingarm so that was a waste of good swear words and knuckle skin undoing those siezed up bolts.. pretty sure it has to come out the way I originally thought)

Don't worry about shagging the bearings, they're probably due for replacement anyway. By hitting them in any way, shape or form they'll have the races dented by the balls and won't last long anyway. Dig the seal out and see what size or numbers are written on the bearings. I still wouldn't mind betting the shaft goes out the way you first thought but then I can't see from the photo either. Measure the OD of the spline and let us know what the bearing numbers are and they can be cross referenced in my bearing cattle-dog..or anyone else's for that matter.

[Fast Eddie]

Don't worry about shagging the bearings, they're probably due for replacement anyway. By hitting them in any way, shape or form they'll have the races dented by the balls and won't last long anyway. Dig the seal out and see what size is written on the bearings. I still wouldn't mind betting the shaft goes out the way you first thought but then I can't see from the photo either. Measure the OD of the spline and let us know what the bearing numbers are and they can be cross referenced in my bearing cattle-dog..or anyone else's for that matter.

chur, Phils shed doubles as a gym so gotta wait til the fella grunting in there has finished and I can get back to work.

Yea tried getting the seal out, fuck im useless.. couldn't dig it out so far. will try harder.

[jellywrestler]

I felt sorry for the Triumph Trackday fullus and fullesses, not really much of a go. But man there were some farken sexy Triumphs there.



at least they got out there whereas we sat all day and didn't in one of the classic classes...

[Kickaha]

Will google some bike shops
Street and Sport, Carlyle street or Budget Motorcycle spares in Wilsons road

should just hit it harder.
Yes

Sidecar DVD night Thursday out home, you're welcome to come Gordy,Bob, Swarfie, Scrivy can sit out on the deck and watch through the window

[sidecar bob]

at least they got out there whereas we sat all day and didn't in one of the classic classes...

I felt that the classic classes were given one run under duress so the promoter wouldnt be obliged to refund the Friday practice fee.
Hopefully next year we wont be upstaged by a sponsor that hogs good track time for no more than previous sponsors have paid not to.
FFS, Ill spot them 5k next year to call it the "Warwick blows goats" classic festival if thats all it costs.

[Kickaha]

Some sidecar porn
http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/download/file.php?id=7560&t=1

[nodrog]

I have made the awesomest caliper bracket, its almost too pretty for a sidecar. I may have to rub it on the driveway and hit it with a hammmer so it looks the part.

[sidecar bob]

I have made the awesomest caliper bracket, its almost too pretty for a sidecar. I may have to rub it on the driveway and hit it with a hammmer so it looks the part.

It will be just fine as it is.
I have BMW barrells & pistons, but no heads yet, we might need to spend 15 minutes assembling it tomorrow night when the heads are ready.
Gave the R100 barrells new rings & a hone, good old Ford Falcon ringset, got enough for three motors for less than the price of one bmw ringset.
Giving the heads new valve guides, valve grind & retrofitting stem seals, which they dont need in a two wheeler, so that should be the end of the smoke exiting every corner that it always did.
It will stay R100rs 980cc with in ported heads for the forseeable future.

[Kickaha]

I have made the awesomest caliper bracket, its almost too pretty for a sidecar. I may have to rub it on the driveway and hit it with a hammmer so it looks the part.

Pics or you didn't build it


Kai bought his swingarm in today, turns out he just didn't have a big enough hammer and wasn't hitting it hard enough

[scrivy]

Kai bought his swingarm in today, turns out he just didn't have a big enough hammer and wasn't hitting it hard enough

Or he's REALLY limp wristed............ :bleh::lol:

[Fast Eddie]

Yea took the swingarm into Warwick for a look see, got a hammering until it moved a bit then used a puller to pull the axle stub out, and a big press to press the bearing out. Cheers! Heres the swingarm and rear hub assembly all apart, gave it a quick degrease.. will give it a full clean then install new bearing and grease up the swingarm pivot. Waiting for the rear shock to be rebuilt - re install that and grease up the linkages etc.

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This was what the stub ended up looking like, the splined bit didn't go back down so it does just slide in and out through the bearing. But not easily!

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Got a nice array of parts to clean, replace, grease and reinstall..

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Got the sidechair wheel hub off, clean and regrease the bearings if they are still OK.. how do you tell? Just tapered bearings, I'm running them in my hand and they feel smooth. There is a bit of slop in this sidechair, Found the problem but will see how to get rid of the slop - may need brass bushes made or found to replace worn items. Also I'm using the grease in the photo for everything.. wheel bearings, pivot points etc - anyone see a problem with that?

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Got all the brakes off and the two master cylinders, they are wilwood items - clean them up along with the 4 calipers I took off.

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This is the brake lever and bias setup.. will pull it apart to see how it works and what needs to be done to get it working properly and get some slop out of the whole setup.

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[Fast Eddie]

Or he's REALLY limp wristed............ :bleh::lol:

haha get out of it! I was using a hammer and a piece of wood to protect my shit and be gentle.. They just went metal on metal and busted up my big nut! haha, and then used a puller and a press to get it apart..

[Kickaha]

clean and regrease the bearings if they are still OK.. how do you tell? Just tapered bearings, I'm running them in my hand and they feel smooth.
Examine the rollers and the races carefully and see if there is any pitting on them, check the cost might not be bugger all to put a new set in

Got all the brakes off and the two master cylinders, they are wilwood items - clean them up along with the 4 calipers I took off.
Seal kits are normally stuff all, rekit them if you can, if you head out this way early you could call on Les Hunter who is local and does all the Wilwood stuff

[Fast Eddie]

Examine the rollers and the races carefully and see if there is any pitting on them, check the cost might not be bugger all to put a new set in

Seal kits are normally stuff all, rekit them if you can, if you head out this way early you could call on Les Hunter who is local and does all the Wilwood stuff

Yea I can head out anytime, imdying will also look at them but only on saturday so might try Les on the way. (edit: and yea, will rekit calipers and master cyls.. might as well will replace pretty much anything thats old as I pull it apart..)

Sweet about the bearings, having a tea break, will clean them up and have a good look at them - but yea if they are cheap I will just replace them.

Once the rear end is done will move onto the front - no word on rear shock yet will stop in tmoro and see whats up

[scrivy]

Once the rear end is done will move onto the front

WTF???? You sound like Bob!!!
Poor Ella..........

[Pumba]

Poor Ella..........

I will say. At least while he was doing the rear she didnt have to look at his face.

[Drew]

I will say. At least while he was doing the rear she didnt have to look at his face.

Kai reckons she's into the beard.

[Fast Eddie]

she said that not me.. she can shave it off if she wants, I'll buy her a cut throat and smoke a cigar while she's at it

[nodrog]

she said that not me.. she can shave it off if she wants, I'll buy her a cut throat and smoke a cigar while she's at it

Shes just too polite to tell you to wear a paper bag on your head.

[Grumph]

Where are you working out of in ChCh ? I'm coming to town tomorrow - Friday - and could make up any bronze bushes you need.
Either PM me or Warwick's got my phone no.

[Fast Eddie]

Shes just too polite to tell you to wear a paper bag on your head.

Jealous, Just cause Tina makes you wear a black rubbish bag to avoid it getting soggy and tearing


Where are you working out of in ChCh ? I'm coming to town tomorrow - Friday - and could make up any bronze bushes you need.
Either PM me or Warwick's got my phone no.

Cheers Grumph, pm sent

[Fast Eddie]

New bearings greased up and ready to refit the sidechair hub. Took the hub into Warwick to make sure the races were properly seated - all was well.
got a bit of tube cut on an angle as a spacer on the bottom and found a top spacer lying in a ice cream box of bit, got a piece of glass out of a photo frame and taped emery paper to it to smooth down a couple of surfaces so everything was sitting flush and was a very snug/tight fit. New tie rod as well from January.

278556

This axle stub had a fair bit of play in it before, now it doesn't :D so job done, Hopefully it's still tight after a few laps and once some load has been put on it.

278557

Schweet, hub disc back on, tight as a tiger. Wheel back on after this and no play when giving it the old wiggle. Good result, one thing to tick off the box.

278558

Swing arm is all degreased, axle stub out etc and degreased, new rear bearing waiting to go in and reassemble and refit to bike. Greasing up everything along the way.

But I have a rather big set back, I can't get the oil/bearing seals for the rear.. Tried all the Seal/Bearing firms in ChCh and also 'Early ford parts' fella.. Not sure where to try next.

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The offenders, seals for the rear bearing, I got as far as them being around a 1968 Ford Zodiac mk4 (maybe) got some part codes like PR6115 and PR6117? could have also been 6119 or 6116.. it eludes me

278559

Pretty much need them before I can reassemble as everything sandwiches together so once its back together I won't be able to put the seals in later without pressing the axle stub out again and wrecking my 89 dollar rear bearing.

278560

[peril 787b]

It's a transmission seal (assuming you can read and part number is PR6119 - cross references to a Timken 472439
Seal Outside Diameter (in): 2.629 or 66mm
Seal Shaft Size (in): 1.875 or 49mm
Seal Width (in): 0.313 or 8mm
Used on Tremec T5 transmissions (23 spline output) 85-88
Could try 17472X part number for a Massey Fergusson tractor as I believe this is the same or New Holland 29142

[Fast Eddie]

..
Could try 17472X part number for a Massey Fergusson tractor as I believe this is the same or New Holland 29142

Choice, None of the bearing shops in ChCh mentioned Massey Ferg or NH options. Or any other options actually. One told me it would be easier to make a new rear end rather than find replacement seals!

Will try the Massey Fergusson and New Holland, Phil's fruit harvester is New Holland so hopefully he has a contact.

Its the one with the metal shell we really need to find, the other one I found a similar one that is 1mm thicker.. it might still work. The metal one is the trickster

[Kornholio]

Choice, None of the bearing shops in ChCh mentioned Massey Ferg or NH options. Or any other options actually. One told me it would be easier to make a new rear end rather than find replacement seals!

Will try the Massey Fergusson and New Holland, Phil's fruit harvester is New Holland so hopefully he has a contact.

Its the one with the metal shell we really need to find, the other one I found a similar one that is 1mm thicker.. it might still work. The metal one is the trickster

Yell out if you get stuck man... We have the Fergie service centres all over us at this time of year, I'm sure one of the parts guys can find something for ye

[Fast Eddie]

Yell out if you get stuck man... We have the Fergie service centres all over us at this time of year, I'm sure one of the parts guys can find something for ye

Pretty stuck, so will yell at ya soon! Cheers man, will have a yarn to my swinger after he finishes with his gym stuff tonight. But yea - if we can't get one will PM ya. Cheers

[Grumph]

Pretty stuck, so will yell at ya soon! Cheers man, will have a yarn to my swinger after he finishes with his gym stuff tonight. But yea - if we can't get one will PM ya. Cheers

Don't know how far into town you went looking for your bearings and seals but try SI bearings in Sydenham.
They've found some real orphans for me.
All the suppliers on the south and west sides are useless IMO.

[Fast Eddie]

Don't know how far into town you went looking for your bearings and seals but try SI bearings in Sydenham.
They've found some real orphans for me.
All the suppliers on the south and west sides are useless IMO.

Yea corner of kingsley and brisbane eh? they were pretty helpful he called places in Auckland looking for the seals and put me onto the early ford parts guy. still no joy..

Try the massey ferg/new holland route next.

[Henk]

If you get stuck try these guys

http://www.bearingsupplies.co.nz/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4&Itemid=4

They have found me some weird shit in the past, and from dimensions have tracked down bearings that meant I didn't need to machine stuff with the only other options I could find. Our buckets run an air con bearing as a rear wheel bearing that I had never heard of and probably couldn't track down again if I didn't have the part number written down.

[Fast Eddie]

Cheers all! Got some good leads to go on now.

Off to Paeroa for the street race, will get back on the case on monday and try track down some replacement seals!


- No word on my rear shock yet.. hopefully he's getting onto it and its not sitting somewhere gathering dust.

Brakes are in at shop too, for full strip and rebuild by the pro's - chur! Wilwood caliper maybe a bit shagged and am told replacement pistons are 50 bucks each X 4.. bastard things

Test run for agip bike once reassembled and see how it goes!

Still gotta look at the brake balance/bias bar thing too.

[Kickaha]

chur! Wilwood caliper maybe a bit shagged and am told replacement pistons are 50 bucks each X 4.. bastard things
Got a bit hot? A complete Wilwood caliper probably isn't much more, they're not that expensive
Few s/h and new on TM http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-parts-accessories/parts-other-makes/brakes/auction-562544203.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-parts-accessories/performance/other/auction-561667205.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-parts-accessories/performance/other/auction-562132677.htm

I've got two new ones if you get stuck

[Kickaha]

Hey Gordy I found you a Windle

2003 F1 Windle for sale Price = £12,000 ono
http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=46353
http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/download/file.php?id=7584&t=1

and a 2008 F1 LCR 2008 LCR http://www.steveenglish.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=46350
with 2 std. '08 R1 engines
YEC Loom and ECU
10 Wheels 4* 14" rears Wets Inters and Slicks
NRP Stainless Exhaust
£16,500 ovno
Tel. 07980775743

[nodrog]

Send it up warwick, thats exactly what i need.

[Drew]

So, how did Paeroa go for the Sidecars? Who won and shit?

[scrivy]

So, how did Paeroa go for the Sidecars? Who won and shit?

You have to shit for a win??

[scrivy]

Choice, None of the bearing shops in ChCh mentioned Massey Ferg or NH options. Or any other options actually. One told me it would be easier to make a new rear end rather than find replacement seals!

Will try the Massey Fergusson and New Holland, Phil's fruit harvester is New Holland so hopefully he has a contact.


Friggin knew that thing of yours was ex-agricultural......

[rastus]

no ya chimp, Howard gregorys TZ700 unit was a right hand outfit in the same piccy was Darryl Dowman on a left hand chair.
To give you a atime line Darrly raced at the Cemetery circuit last year and google TZ yamaha and you'll see it's not that long ago.

Some of the early lads used to have one for each side of the chair depending on where they were too

That is Graeme Cole(Nick Coles old man) swinging with Howard Gregory. He still has that helmet on his shelf.

[scrivy]

:corn:...................

[racer40]

sidecars at paeroa all good, 16 on the grid. adam & stu won both, aarron & denny, & Baz & robbie were up there as well followed by burt & Max, lawrances broke a chain, tracey & Jo raced with no fairing after hitting bails in practise, the reid/ prentice bike went upside down in race 2, pate & crackers blew engine, good to see alex from S.I racing,

[swarfie]

So, how did Paeroa go for the Sidecars? Who won and shit?

The shit is....1, Adam /Stu
2, Aaron/Dennis
3, Baz/Robbie
4, Burt/Max
5, Tracey/Jo
6, Des/Warren
Can't remember how the rest panned out but it was Adam/Stu a master class easily in front and good close racing for the next three placings. Repeat positions for race two.

In the classics Me and Jo got two 3rds on the Matchy with Johny B/Rat on the Guzzi in a class of their own as usual way out front (my missus suggested to JB that we swap rigs :drool: ) with us having a good scrap with Jason/Bryce for second. Kieth on the Harley was 4th and Willy/Julie behind them...pretty sure it was the same order for our second race.

A good day had by most on tricycles but marred by a tragedy in one of the early practice sessions for the two wheelers :(

[Tony.OK]

A good day had by most on tricycles but marred by a tragedy in one of the early practice sessions for the two wheelers :(

Tragedy?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/8316148/Motorcyclist-critical-after-Paeroa-crash

[scrivy]

Tragedy?


Fuck, I hope he's gunna be alright.

[swarfie]

Tragedy?

http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato-times/news/8316148/Motorcyclist-critical-after-Paeroa-crash

I hope I'm wrong but the impression we got at the prize giving was that he didn't make it...shit I hope I am wrong...anyone else know for sure?

[Tony.OK]

Fuck, I hope he's gunna be alright.

Likewise.......................can't find piss all about anything Paeroa related online, typical NZ reporting :mad:

[scrivy]

typical NZ reporting :mad:

No, NZ reporting is friggin great....... if you like thugby.....:lol:

[Fast Eddie]

Friggin knew that thing of yours was ex-agricultural......
haha, yip!

It has a BMW rear wheel bearing though... thought sidecarbob might like that part of it a little bit..


Got a bit hot? A complete Wilwood caliper probably isn't much more, they're not that expensive
Few s/h and new on TM http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-parts-accessories/parts-other-makes/brakes/auction-562544203.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-parts-accessories/performance/other/auction-561667205.htm
http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/car-parts-accessories/performance/other/auction-562132677.htm

I've got two new ones if you get stuck

Cheers! Back in Dunedin for a few days to sort out the uni thing, get to graduate in a couple of months! yipee. I mean aw.. will have to find a job :(

Will be back in ChCh soon once rear shock is finished to reassemble - Will find out the go with my caliper when Malcolm texts me up.. hoping they can just clean up the wilwood but if not will make a decision on replacment - cheers for the links too

Paeroa was bloody good to watch - Was a little disappointed in getting in and out of my leathers a couple of times with hopes of racing - First I was hoping to swing on a F2 bike which I was excited about, got suited up and hopped on the bike to see how it felt in the pits but then the rider decided he wasn't keen on having someone who hasn't done Paeroa before (virgin laps were about to begin and then 2 practice sessions.. oh well, couldn't argue with him) he ended up not even racing and Gordy and Tina were gonna have at with that bike but also didn't pan out.

So I put my shorts n tshirt back on then Darren comes up and asks if I want to go out and swing on his bike - Yip keen!!, back into my leathers.. got on the bike engine running, clutch in, click it into gear. Crunch! bike lurched forward and stalled - clutch didn't work. I had this problem with Agip bike before and just rode without a clutch and got it rolling, but nah the rider wasn't keen. Anyway, I jacked the bike up with Darren and fiddled around with it and got the clutch working for him. Then was asked if I wanted to ride the bike - YIP! I sure did.. Back into my leathers and gear, handed my license in and signed my name up. Sadly as we were going to line up on the dummy grid I was denied again and told the original rider was going to do it again and was kicked off the bike. So f*ck it, back into my civy clothes and off to wander around and watch the racing instead. The bike I was going to pilot ended up crashing and flipping..

The racing was great to watch though, I was pretty jealous not to be out there. Classics looked great, The Guzzi miles ahead of the rest, I thought the moderns were a bit closer, Unsworth did pull the usual lead but there was bloody good battle for the next 3/4 positions. Was great to watch.

Glad there was a south island outfit there too, Alex and Glen Macdonald going hard on their old long bike running old tyres (saving goodies for nats) and looked to be having lots of fun if not battling with the streets a bit - bike looked like a handful! They did well surviving the day.

Very much looking forward to Wangas this year and Paeroa next year and hope to have my bike there and running well for both.

[Fast Eddie]

So, how did Paeroa go for the Sidecars? Who won and shit?

you do know about ctas right?

http://www.livetiming.co.nz/wsPaeroa.aspx?t=14:36

you can scroll through the days proceedings still

[peril 787b]

Friggin knew that thing of yours was ex-agricultural......

So hoping I'm right on this one now...

P.s: This is PBF (ask Bob) if ya'll didn't know

[Fast Eddie]

So hoping I'm right on this one now...

P.s: This is PBF (ask Bob) if ya'll didn't know

..right on what one now?

Who's Bob? where am I..

[peril 787b]

Friggin knew that thing of yours was ex-agricultural......

Hope I'm correct with the seal being ex Massey or NH

[peril 787b]

..right on what one now?

Who's Bob? where am I..

Hope I'm right on the origin of your seal...

[sidecar bob]

So hoping I'm right on this one now...

P.s: This is PBF (ask Bob) if ya'll didn't know

Ahh, P.B.F!! Plesant Bearded Fellow. Brett from Whites, spannerman & tyre changer for Jay. Thanks for looking after the GSX in Aussie mate!

[Grumph]

Hope I'm correct with the seal being ex Massey or NH

Mo wasn't fussy where things came from - if it was the right size and strong enough - and at the right price, he'd use it.
I'd think he saw the PTO assembly maybe at Taggarts place.

Just be thankful the boys didn't give him a Skyhawk stub axle to use.....

[scrivy]

Mo wasn't fussy where things came from - if it was the right size and strong enough....

Sounds like Bob with his early girlfriends......

[Fast Eddie]

Hope I'm right on the origin of your seal...

haha, we'll see.

The seals that are on it now are from a Ford Zodiac (they have ford on em and the various bearing places all said same thing, around '68 ford..) but thats not to say a New Holland or Massey Ferg seal won't be the same and also work! I'm hoping they do because I can't get original ford seals here in the south island nor from a couple Auckland places I tried.

[swarfie]

haha, we'll see.

The seals that are on it now are from a Ford Zodiac (they have ford on em and the various bearing places all said same thing, around '68 ford..) but thats not to say a New Holland or Massey Ferg seal won't be the same and also work! I'm hoping they do because I can't get original ford seals here in the south island nor from a couple Auckland places I tried.

Whats the problem with the availability of size of the seals...ID or OD? If you can get the ID in the next size seal you may be able to bore the OD out in the hub outboard of where the bearings fit. That way they'll be more likely to be available next time you need them. There's always more than one way of killing a cat....trust me I'm a convicted cat killer :( :lol:

[sidecar bob]

Whats the problem with the availability of size of the seals...ID or OD? If you can get the ID in the next size seal you may be able to bore the OD out in the hub outboard of where the bearings fit. That way they'll be more likely to be available next time you need them. There's always more than one way of killing a cat....trust me I'm a convicted cat killer :( :lol:

There is a lot of truth in that post. :killingme

[swarfie]

There is a lot of truth in that post. :killingme

Yep....it phuckt me off at the time :mad:

Kai... I just rang my bearing supplier here in Hamilton (Farrels) and the PR number cross references to 1.875" x 2.625" which they have on the shelf. Those sizes calculate out at 47.63mm x 66.68mm. You could get away with a 48 x 67 (by carefully linishing the OD down to fit in the hub or turning a bit out of it), they have those on the shelf as well. Like I said ....cats:bleh:

[sidecar bob]

Chicks with dicks. so was it mechanical, or rider error? vote now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZfBDWR_OWw

[swarfie]

Chicks with dicks. so was it mechanical, or rider error? vote now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZfBDWR_OWw

one vote for mechanical....but then I know that was the case :rolleyes:

Here's another....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3qqW_fk68Q

[budda]

It's a transmission seal (assuming you can read and part number is PR6119 - cross references to a Timken 472439
Seal Outside Diameter (in): 2.629 or 66mm
Seal Shaft Size (in): 1.875 or 49mm
Seal Width (in): 0.313 or 8mm
Used on Tremec T5 transmissions (23 spline output) 85-88
Could try 17472X part number for a Massey Fergusson tractor as I believe this is the same or New Holland 29142

Aaaaah, an old fashioned parts guy with an ISI book perchance ?

[swarfie]

Aaaaah, an old fashioned parts guy with an ISI book perchance ?

Yep...he might have the book but his calculator doesn't work too well :(

[budda]

Yep...he might have the book but his calculator doesn't work too well :(

Most of todays counter-jockeys wouldnt know what to do with one, except maybe prop up their Afohnefurr while they're on facebook

[scrivy]

Chicks with dicks. so was it mechanical, or rider error? vote now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZfBDWR_OWw

Nah man, that was mechanical.
You could tell by looking at the amount of handlebar input she was carrying, how much depression she had on the foot pedal, where her helmet was pointing and the gyroscopic momentum of the passenger. All forces point towards severe retardation............ er... on one side.....

[sidecar bob]

one vote for mechanical....but then I know that was the case :rolleyes:

Here's another....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N3qqW_fk68Q

Na, it was the swingers fault. I offered to throw her in the pool to get her up to my weight before racing too.

[swarfie]

Na, it was the swingers fault. I offered to throw her in the pool to get her up to my weight before racing too.

Holy crap....she'd have to drink the whole pool bro :killingme

[Fast Eddie]

Whats the problem with the availability of size of the seals...
The normal looking seal I can get one close to it, chch place had one that is 1mm thicker, ID OD I think are same but its 1mm thicker, I thought it may just rub and wreck itself on the shaft/sprocket carrier. Will check that out when we can reassemble it and see if the extra thickness would cause a prob.

The real problem seal is the one with the metal collar thing around it.. 'Cause no one seemed to have anything like it down here. Yet to try Massey Ferg/New Holland options.


Kai... I just rang my bearing supplier here in Hamilton (Farrels) and the PR number cross references to 1.875" x 2.625" which they have on the shelf. Like I said ....cats:bleh:

Is that the seal with the metal ring around it? Thats the one I'm having a hard time getting.. And if they have it on the shelf then problem solved!

Yea - if we can't get a direct replacment then I'm sure we can buy a similar one and make it fit..

I was trying to get just a direct replacement first.

Cheers for all the help! back to work everyone

[Fast Eddie]

278759

The one on the left I can get a similar one, 1mm thicker but that may not be an issue. Was just trying to get an exact replacement if I could.

The one on the right has the metal ring/sleeve with the rubber seal on the inside. That one is the troublesome one to find a replacement for. It'll have to be exactly the same. Or yea - will have to find something similar and muck about with it.

[swarfie]

The normal looking seal I can get one close to it, chch place had one that is 1mm thicker, ID OD I think are same but its 1mm thicker, I thought it may just rub and wreck itself on the shaft/sprocket carrier. Will check that out when we can reassemble it and see if the extra thickness would cause a prob.

The real problem seal is the one with the metal collar thing around it.. 'Cause no one seemed to have anything like it down here. Yet to try Massey Ferg/New Holland options.



Is that the seal with the metal ring around it? Thats the one I'm having a hard time getting.. And if they have it on the shelf then problem solved!

Yea - if we can't get a direct replacment then I'm sure we can buy a similar one and make it fit..

I was trying to get just a direct replacement first.

Cheers for all the help! back to work everyone

No steel shield, just the normal type. Not sure why it needs that...probably doesn't.

[Danger Dave]

I'm after peoples thoughts (this could be dangerous), so i picked up the windle over the weekend :headbang: and it is an 03 r1 engine which is fuel injected from standard, the guy i got it from has fitted it with 41mm FCR Flatslides, i have available everything to convert back to injection so my question is should i keep it carbed or go back to injection?

[swarfie]

278759

The one on the left I can get a similar one, 1mm thicker but that may not be an issue. Was just trying to get an exact replacement if I could.

The one on the right has the metal ring/sleeve with the rubber seal on the inside. That one is the troublesome one to find a replacement for. It'll have to be exactly the same. Or yea - will have to find something similar and muck about with it.

Sorry I was replying to the other thread and didn't see this one. Yep that is a bit of an orphan by the looks of it but I'm sure something else could be adapted to fit. Shame its not up here still.
As far as the extra 1mm is concerned they can be thinned down a bit on the inside...I've done that before now

[Fast Eddie]

Sorry I was replying to the other thread and didn't see this one.
It's all good :) it might not even need to be shaved down if it doesn't contact anything, So that one might be OK, the steel shield one is a bastard but might still find one yet - got a few leads.


I'm after peoples thoughts (this could be dangerous), so i picked up the windle over the weekend :headbang: and it is an 03 r1 engine which is fuel injected from standard, the guy i got it from has fitted it with 41mm FCR Flatslides, i have available everything to convert back to injection so my question is should i keep it carbed or go back to injection?
hahahaha :D this was a sore point when we teased/joked about him converting it to a carb motor.

I would say fuel inject it again.. there is a reason people go for fuel injection. people like squirters more than vacuumers (except SidecarBob)


No steel shield, just the normal type. Not sure why it needs that...probably doesn't.

prob doesn't need any seals - it runs a sealed rear wheel bearing..

But might as well replace the seals since they were put there for some reason..

[Drew]

I'm after peoples thoughts (this could be dangerous), so i picked up the windle over the weekend :headbang: and it is an 03 r1 engine which is fuel injected from standard, the guy i got it from has fitted it with 41mm FCR Flatslides, i have available everything to convert back to injection so my question is should i keep it carbed or go back to injection?

Those cards are worth more than the bloody motor. And not as good as the injection.

No brainer mate, inject it and sell the cards.

[nodrog]

Chicks with dicks. so was it mechanical, or rider error? vote now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZfBDWR_OWw

Tracey dropped her hair straightener and chucked Jo out to look for it? I think thats what happens when you have a week to re-engineer somthing that isnt broken (well its broken now, good and proper). If she had the dustbuster on instead of a fire extinguisher the hay would have got dealt to quick smart.




I'm after peoples thoughts (this could be dangerous), so i picked up the windle over the weekend :headbang: and it is an 03 r1 engine which is fuel injected from standard, the guy i got it from has fitted it with 41mm FCR Flatslides, i have available everything to convert back to injection so my question is should i keep it carbed or go back to injection?

I think you should just give it to me.

My birthday is coming up quite soon, ewes can all chip in if you want - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Shelbourne-F2-racing-sidecar-r6-/200897972787?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item2ec673ca33

[scrivy]

My birthday is coming up quite soon, ewes can all chip in if you want

You want a randy ewe for ya birthday?? I'll sort it for you!

[nodrog]

You want a randy ewe for ya birthday?? I'll sort it for you!

yeah man, spit roast

[scrivy]

yeah man, spit roast

Bob helping you out???

[sidecar bob]

Those cards are worth more than the bloody motor. And not as good as the injection.

No brainer mate, inject it and sell the carbs.

Drew is not the smartest bloke ive ever met, but he's right this time.

[nodrog]

Bob helping you out???

i thought i was the roast

[Kornholio]

i thought i was the roast

You wouldn't be enough for a happy meal my little feathered friend....get out in teh shed and finish my tricycle before im 50 and have to go in the Classics.,......

[peril 787b]

Aaaaah, an old fashioned parts guy with an ISI book perchance ?

Semi old fashioned outlook on how a parts person should be, but not an old fashioned one at all.
And I read the wrong column on my conversion chart, went left instead of right , hence incorrect imperial to metric conversion (amateur error, doh)

[Kickaha]

I'm after peoples thoughts (this could be dangerous), so i picked up the windle over the weekend :headbang: and it is an 03 r1 engine which is fuel injected from standard, the guy i got it from has fitted it with 41mm FCR Flatslides, i have available everything to convert back to injection so my question is should i keep it carbed or go back to injection?
They speedway guy who had it knew carbs were better than injection as you can make more HP with them, he was also going to show the lot of us how to ride

Put the injection back on

[Danger Dave]

Sounds like injection is the way to go, anyone wanna buy some carbs haha

[Drew]

Sounds like injection is the way to go, anyone wanna buy some carbs haha

Yes. Pm me or call me with how much you want for them.

[Kickaha]

Sounds like injection is the way to go, anyone wanna buy some carbs haha

Sell them to Kai he'd suck your dick for days on end to own those

[scrivy]

Sell them to Kai he'd suck your dick for days on end to own those

What will he do for a piece of chewing gum, and an old plaster?

[Pumba]

What will he do for a piece of chewing gum, and an old plaster?

If you are lucky delegate the Job to his Mrs. Because he will think he is worth more than that.

[Kickaha]

What will he do for a piece of chewing gum, and an old plaster?

probably 1/2 a day

[Fast Eddie]

Sell them to Kai he'd suck your dick for days on end to own those

:baby:...

guess they would fit on an old fzr motor eh? how much you want dangerous david? no doubt unaffordable.. could buy an injected motor for what the carbs are worth.

[Fast Eddie]

What will he do for a piece of chewing gum, and an old plaster?


If you are lucky delegate the Job to his Mrs. Because he will think he is worth more than that.

hang on now, Carl.. not so fast..

.. what flavour gum, Scrivy? and is the plaster Disney and friends?

[scrivy]

hang on now, Carl.. not so fast..

.. what flavour gum, Scrivy? and is the plaster Disney and friends?

You can blow big bubbles with it........... and it will stick on your face............

The plaster? Its Sponge Bob...... and full of puss......

[selstar]

would anyone know where my old GT750 sidecar is I would like to find it and maybe go racing again

[sidecar bob]

would anyone know where my old GT750 sidecar is I would like to find it and maybe go racing again

Watch this space. We are in the process of introducing a pre '82 class to bring those old girls out of the woodwork.

[Fast Eddie]

Watch this space. We are in the process of introducing a pre '82 class to bring those old girls out of the woodwork.

naw - make it pre '84 so I can enter the Agip bike in it!!

[sidecar bob]

naw - make it pre '84 so I can enter the Agip bike in it!!

We have a pre 2014 class.

[Kickaha]

Watch this space. We are in the process of introducing a pre '82 class to bring those old girls out of the woodwork.

While I like the idea do you think it is likely to bring enough new crews in to have a sustainable class or just take numbers out of the existing classes?