Sidecar Racing

[Fast Eddie]

Ok technical question time Scrivy (not that you know shit) Kai has problems on lefts with it understeering as the chair lifts, how does he fix it?

yea..

rights seem ok because the rear will slide under throttle, but the lefts the chair comes up and then it pushes the front rather than slide the rear even under throttle.

could just be the driver (or the swinger ;) )

[Stirts]

& one was in a fairly odd place. I think theres some explaining to do.

I have photograhic evidence of exactly how she got THAT bruise :devil2:

[scrivy]

I have photograhic evidence of exactly how she got THAT bruise :devil2:

The GoPro I had hidden in the bathroom when you and Gordy were in the shower showed up some interesting info.......
1. Gordy sits to piss,
2. Gordy likes to 'soap' himself up..,
3. You were neglected while Gordy played hide the toothbrush....
:niceone:

[scrivy]

Ok technical question time Scrivy (not that you know shit) Kai has problems on lefts with it understeering as the chair lifts, how does he fix it?

Purple. Round. Kittens.

[Stirts]

The GoPro I had hidden in the bathroom when you and Gordy were in the shower showed up some interesting info.......
1. Gordy sits to piss,
2. Gordy likes to 'soap' himself up..,
3. You were neglected while Gordy played hide the toothbrush....
:niceone:

Holy shit, I thought you were taking the piss about the GoPro :killingme

[scrivy]

Holy shit, I thought you were taking the piss about the GoPro :killingme

No, Gordy was taking the piss being filmed by the GoPro.......

Here (http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=388746597)

You just had to look.............

[sidecar bob]

Purple. Round. Kittens.

Oh fuckin dear!!, Hi im Julie & I like kittens.

[nodrog]

why is everybody so mean to me?

[scrivy]

Ok technical question time Scrivy (not that you know shit) Kai has problems on lefts with it understeering as the chair lifts, how does he fix it?


rights seem ok because the rear will slide under throttle, but the lefts the chair comes up and then it pushes the front rather than slide the rear even under throttle.
could just be the driver (or the swinger ;) )

Are you mainlanders thick or sumpin???
Simple Euclidean geometry relating to Pythagoras’ theorem is involved. Got that?

Seriously, what is your front tyre like?? (I’m assuming shagged…) Your bike may be prone to understeer - so put your best tyre on the front to try to reduce it.
What is your front shock like?? (I’m assuming shagged…) When you turn in too hard, you may be ‘shocking’ the front tyre and cause it to slide, again causing understeer.

Remember that when you accelerate, you shift weight rearward and reduce front tyre grip. If your throttle application from the apex point of the corner is too vicious, your chair may also understeer. Because the weight of the chair is transferred to the rear too quickly, leaving the front with little grip. So if you can, try and get the chair turned before you use the twisty switch.
The problem with understeer is that to get rid of it you have to reduce your speed to less than the optimum for the particular corner. This will always cost you time. (and you don’t want that…) So Kai my man, at the first sign of a little understeer - do not keep increasing your steering! This does nothing! The tyres are already at 100% of their grip, and increasing the steering angle will only make your problems worse!

I would suggest getting your passenger to try some radical changes. Is he hanging too far off the side? Is he simply too heavy? (Was it Kick at the time?? Cause he's fucken useless...) Remember, he could be in the wrong place at the wrong time and is simply unloading the front. You need to do some drastic changes and notice their effects.

I on the other hand really enjoy the effects of understeer!! Having to crack off the throttle mid corner brings the rear around really fast, then it sets up the suspension to wallow, I love it!!

But, as Kick says, I don’t know shit…….. :weird:

Scrivy

[scrivy]

why is everybody so mean to me?

WTF??? We're nicer to you than we are to Kick!!! :devil2:

Imagine how Kick feels........ :bleh:

[nodrog]

.....Imagine how Kick feels........ :bleh:

hungry?


_________

[Drew]

hungry?


_________

Don't make him hungry. You wouldn't like him when he's hungry!

[nodrog]

Don't make him hungry. You wouldn't like him when he's hungry!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e29x9Qhi2ks

[Fast Eddie]

Seriously, what is your front tyre like?? (I’m assuming shagged…) Your bike may be prone to understeer - so put your best tyre on the front to try to reduce it.
umm.. it's still round and black. the tread depth holes show some meat left. much more than the rear. as for age condition i dunno.



What is your front shock like?? (I’m assuming shagged…) When you turn in too hard, you may be ‘shocking’ the front tyre and cause it to slide, again causing understeer.
no idea.. i doubt they have ever been rebuilt. there is basically no suspension travel front n rear. like a solid gokart


Remember that when you accelerate, you shift weight rearward and reduce front tyre grip. If your throttle application from the apex point of the corner is too vicious....
hehe, yip... can already feel all that happening on the few outings i have had. if it undsteers i don't keep turning harder i play around and i do manage to get the back around. havent understeered off the track yet (lie i have a couple times, swingers fault tho for sure). i can manage to get it to turn. i'd just rather have it prone to oversteer rather than understeer. it still handles nice i recon. might lower the front? it just feels like front needs more weight on it. maybe swinger too far back all the time.



I would suggest getting your passenger to try some radical changes. Is he hanging too far off the side? Is he simply too heavy? (Was it Kick at the time?? Cause he's fucken useless...) Remember, he could be in the wrong place at the wrong time

Scrivy

i got no idea what my swinger is up to back there.. there is a bit of video footage on youtube so someone that knows could watch and evaluate him..

when kick was on the chair it didn't understeer actually.. but we only did 2 x 1.58ish warm up laps.. so didnt get to see what it handled like at 1.55 with him on it.

anyway.. still learning eh, we wont get another run until hampton downs so see how it handles there.

dunno what sprockets to use on hd. we have rear 44 teeth and front 15teeth on at the moment.. got some gear ratio/top speed formula here but i hate math.

[scrivy]

Don't make him hungry. You wouldn't like him when he's hungry!

We dont like him full stop......... Lol.

Nah, when he gets to Hampster ups, he's gunna get accosted by the NZSRA, thrown to the ground and kissed all over.
I heard he can't wait!!

[scrivy]

umm.. it's still round. the tread depth holes show some meat left. You running luncheon sausage for tyres???

no idea.. i doubt they have ever been rebuilt. there is basically no suspension travel front n rear. like a solid gokart
Hmmm..... me thinks therein lies your problem.......

havent understeered off the track yet (lie i have a couple times, swingers fault tho for sure) and when you use the ripple strips........ i can manage to get it to turn. i'd just rather have it prone to oversteer rather than understeer. it still handles nice i recon. might lower the front? it just feels like front needs more weight on it. maybe swinger too far back all the time.
Do you lean much over the front??
Get ya passenger to lean even further back (not out) and see if it understeers even more. If it does, feed him more pies - or get him to lean more to the front....... :rolleyes:

i got no idea what my swinger is up to back there.. Seriously??? I'm always looking...... there is a bit of video footage on youtube so someone that knows could watch and evaluate him..

when kick was on the chair it didn't understeer actually.. but we only did 2 x 1.58ish warm up laps.. so didnt get to see what it handled like at 1.55 with him on it. With Kicks weight, I doubt it would do a 1 hour 55 minute.....

dunno what sprockets to use on hd. we have rear 44 teeth and front 15teeth on at the moment.. got some gear ratio/top speed formula here but i hate math.

Stay on the same gearing. Kick will send you into the wall on lap 3 anyway........ :eek::clap:

[sidecar bob]

Are you mainlanders thick or sumpin???
Simple Euclidean geometry relating to Pythagoras’ theorem is involved. Got that?

Seriously, what is your front tyre like?? (I’m assuming shagged…) Your bike may be prone to understeer - so put your best tyre on the front to try to reduce it.
What is your front shock like?? (I’m assuming shagged…) When you turn in too hard, you may be ‘shocking’ the front tyre and cause it to slide, again causing understeer.

Remember that when you accelerate, you shift weight rearward and reduce front tyre grip. If your throttle application from the apex point of the corner is too vicious, your chair may also understeer. Because the weight of the chair is transferred to the rear too quickly, leaving the front with little grip. So if you can, try and get the chair turned before you use the twisty switch.
The problem with understeer is that to get rid of it you have to reduce your speed to less than the optimum for the particular corner. This will always cost you time. (and you don’t want that…) So Kai my man, at the first sign of a little understeer - do not keep increasing your steering! This does nothing! The tyres are already at 100% of their grip, and increasing the steering angle will only make your problems worse!

I would suggest getting your passenger to try some radical changes. Is he hanging too far off the side? Is he simply too heavy? (Was it Kick at the time?? Cause he's fucken useless...) Remember, he could be in the wrong place at the wrong time and is simply unloading the front. You need to do some drastic changes and notice their effects.

I on the other hand really enjoy the effects of understeer!! Having to crack off the throttle mid corner brings the rear around really fast, then it sets up the suspension to wallow, I love it!!

But, as Kick says, I don’t know shit…….. :weird:

Scrivy

Youre a munter, all that & you didnt even ask what tyre pressures he's running!

[scrivy]

Youre a munter, all that & you didnt even ask what tyre pressures he's running!

I assumed he's kicked them........ :niceone::bleh:

[jellywrestler]

Youre a munter, all that & you didnt even ask what tyre pressures he's running!

the guy can't even use a tape measure to see whether the sidecars going to fit in the back of a truck or trailer why on earth would you think he could use a tyre pressure guage?

[scrivy]

the guy can't even use a tape measure to see whether the sidecars going to fit in the back of a truck or trailer why on earth would you think he could use a tyre pressure guage?

I'll say again....... what the fucks wrong with a kick????? :confused:

[scrivy]

Oh fuckin dear!!, Hi im Julie & I like kittens.

...and giving rim jobs..... :bleh::niceone:

[Fast Eddie]

You running luncheon sausage for tyres???
chorizos bro, luncheon tastes like shit.



Hmmm..... me thinks therein lies your problem.......

and when you use the ripple strips........
the rumble strips are there to be used, so is the grass and the walls.



Do you lean much over the front??
Get ya passenger to lean even further back (not out) and see if it understeers even more. If it does, feed him more pies - or get him to lean more to the front.......
I lean as much as I can left right and over the front - our next outing will be HD so can get him to try some things there I guess. Seeing as how his legs seem to drag along behind the bike he must be sitting pretty far back. he isn't exactly tall. When I was swinger I managed to keep all of me on the bike without hangin off the back.



Seriously??? I'm always looking......
nah.. makes him self concious.. I just let him do his thing.



With Kicks weight, I doubt it would do a 1 hour 55 minute.....
ha.. :tugger: rather a heavyweight than a lightweight.



Stay on the same gearing. Kick will send you into the wall on lap 3 anyway........
OK for gearing.. we pretty much top out/on the limiter down the ruapuna straight in top gear though..
he's not swinging for me at HD.. think he has a seat on lawrence bike? and if the lawrence bike is anywhere near me on lap 3 they will be having mechanical failure I guess and be too preoccupied.

[Fast Eddie]

the guy can't even use a tape measure to see whether the sidecars going to fit in the back of a truck or trailer why on earth would you think he could use a tyre pressure guage?
haha fuck you're full of shit. No one asked me to measure it. And he rocked up with a full van.. even if the entrance was wide enough for the bike there was no space for a sidecar on that load anyway.

I assumed he's kicked them........ :niceone::bleh:
of course I kicked them... jeez

na we ran 11psi on the front, 12 rear and 13.5 side (hot tyres) with outside temp of 14 degrees celcius.. didn't get a track temp cause was eating too many sandwhiches. Tyre temp after race was around 40 degrees and pretty even center and left and right edges. track was ok but had oil spill from drift cars and lots of dirt/shit on the track from them.. im sure it was clearing by end of the day though.

I'v noticed the understeer thing at all 4 meetings we have done.. I'll just figure out how to ride it properly. Its prob just me.

[scrivy]

na we ran 11psi on the front, 12 rear and 13.5 side (hot tyres) with outside temp of 14 degrees celcius.. didn't get a track temp cause was eating too many sandwhiches. Tyre temp after race was around 40 degrees
I'v noticed the understeer thing at all 4 meetings we have done.. I'll just figure out how to ride it properly. Its prob just me.

I run 14 front and rear, and 16 in the side (All temps hot - set them after a short run)

[Fast Eddie]

I run 14 front and rear, and 16 in the side (All temps hot - set them after a short run)

shit thats a bit higher! you'd know more than me.. I was just winging it.

like I say, next run is HD so you'll be there anyway eh? can play around a little during prac/qualifying.

[Kickaha]

why is everybody so mean to me?
Because you're a knob?

Stay on the same gearing. Kick will send you into the wall on lap 3 anyway........ :eek::clap:
Pay attention dickhead, he will have his normal swinger

the rumble strips are there to be used, so is the grass and the walls.
Don't forget the nice smooth bit of concrete on the outside of the ripple strip at pothole

OK for gearing.. we pretty much top out/on the limiter down the ruapuna straight in top gear though..
I think you'd need taller for HD, do you have any spare gearing?

think he has a seat on lawrence bike? and if the lawrence bike is anywhere near me on lap 3 they will be having mechanical failure I guess and be too preoccupied. Only if Richies leg isn't good, could be lapping you as well

you'd know more than me..
Once you meet him you'll realise you're wrong

[Fast Eddie]

haha, yea lapping is believable... oh well, gimme a wide berth.

yup I've got other gearing.. I think 4/5 rears of diff sizes and 3 diff fronts. 15/44 at the mo, pretty sure I also have 16 and 17 fronts, and 43, 45, 46, 47 rears but would have to go out to shed to check. bit cold.

[scrivy]

I havent changed my gearing since 2004!!
Saves you a lot of work....... Pmsl!

[Kickaha]

I havent changed my gearing since 2004!!
Is that because you're to mechanically inept to be able to?

[scrivy]

chorizos bro, luncheon tastes like shit.

Where you been sticking your luncheon?.....

[Kickaha]

Where you been sticking your luncheon?.....

Good question, I'm not sharing any of his food at the track again:sick:

[scrivy]

is that because you're to mechanically inept to be able to?

green.........

[scrivy]

Good question, I'm not sharing any of his food at the track again:sick:
WTF??? The luncheon had your shit on it.......
Ya sick kunt.....

[Kickaha]

WTF??? The luncheon had your shit on it.......
Ya sick kunt.....

It's really not hard to see why you dont have any friends

[scrivy]

It's really not hard to see why you dont have any friends
What are friends?? Are they the people that clean your fairings for you??

[Fast Eddie]

I havent changed my gearingsocks since 2004!!
Saves you a lot of work.......

no doubt, no doubt. I put on 5 pairs at the start of the week and just peel a layer off each day.

[Fast Eddie]

Where you been sticking your luncheon?.....

on my sidecar wheels...

:first:

[Drew]

Re the under steer. Isn't the agip bike retrofitted with hubcentric steering?

Wonder if it's always had an understeer problem since it was done.

[sidecar bob]

Re the under steer. Isn't the agip bike retrofitted with hubcentric steering?

Wonder if it's always had an understeer problem since it was done.

It was built new with that system, out of old railway lines.

[scrivy]

Re the under steer. Isn't the agip bike retrofitted with hubcentric steering.

No. Its eccentric. But it could be concentric by the way its always going off the track....
Fucked if I'd swing on it.....

Hang on, I dont swing.....

[Fast Eddie]

by the way its always going off the track....
Fucked if I'd swing on it.....

do I hear a meow?

or.. is that fish I smell..

something pussy related anyway

[jellywrestler]

Re the under steer. Isn't the agip bike retrofitted with hubcentric steering?

Wonder if it's always had an understeer problem since it was done.
no that's how it left Mo's workshop when new.

[Fast Eddie]

Re the under steer. Isn't the agip bike retrofitted with hub centric steering?

Wonder if it's always had an understeer problem since it was done.

nah built this way from the start. and usually hub center steering should provide more grip, since the tyre stays flat on the road, leading/trailing link shit tends to lift the contact patch off the ground the more you turn.


It was built new with that system, out of old railway lines.

lol.. mm hmmm

[nodrog]

understeer, I thought thats what they are supposed to do. On the beemer I just sledge the front on right handers then button off when I want it to turn and the rear comes around, makes a cool noise. On left handers I just ride it out and check out the lawns.

[Drew]

nah built this way from the start. and usually hub center steering should provide more grip, since the tyre stays flat on the road, leading/trailing link shit tends to lift the contact patch off the ground the more you turn.



lol.. mm hmmm

I know the geometric advantage, but it should still have some caster to lift an edge when turning. So when the tyre distorts you get maximum contact patch still.

[Fast Eddie]

I know the geometric advantage, but it should still have some caster to lift an edge when turning. So when the tyre distorts you get maximum contact patch still.

mm, would have to turn to full lock on a level surface n see.. its turning axis looks pretty vertical to me. definitely not a visible lift like the trailing link style.

[Drew]

mm, would have to turn to full lock on a level surface n see.. its turning axis looks pretty vertical to me. definitely not a visible lift like the trailing link style.

What does it have those enormous bars for then? Steering should be as light as all hell I would have thought.

[sidecar bob]

understeer, I thought thats what they are supposed to do. On the beemer I just sledge the front on right handers then button off when I want it to turn and the rear comes around, makes a cool noise. On left handers I just ride it out and check out the lawns.

Well thats nice. I suppose you know what those tyres cost?? umm, $70 for three seasons.

[scrivy]

I know the geometric advantage, but it should still have some caster to lift an edge when turning. So when the tyre distorts you get maximum contact patch still.

Orange..........:confused:

[scrivy]

Well thats nice. I suppose you know what those tyres cost?? umm, $70 for three seasons.

WTF???? When I raced it, we never had no flash harry shit..... we ran old used trailer biscuit tyres.....
Why is Gordy so friggin lucky???

[scrivy]

I just sledge the front on right handers then button off when I want it to turn and the rear comes around, makes a cool noise. On left handers I just ride it out and check out the lawns.

Aye?????? Is this in your dream last night, as that wasn't happening out on the track.......... :no::laugh:

[Kickaha]

What does it have those enormous bars for then? Steering should be as light as all hell I would have thought.
Lightness of the steering will depend on the castor angle it runs, I haven't checked to see if that's adjustable and I think Alex put those bars on for more leverage

Why is Gordy so friggin lucky???
Mayeb he's better at sucking sidecar bobs dick than you?

[scrivy]

do I hear a meow? Reeeeaaaaoooowwwwww.... pfftt pffffttttttt
or.. is that fish I smell.. your back too short?
something pussy related anyway

Kai, have I got a deal for you!!!!
I'll do 2 laps around Humpsters on the side of your thing, if you then do 2 laps on the side of mine..... :niceone::first:

[scrivy]

Mayeb he's better at sucking sidecar bobs dick than you?

Well there is always a first time. But I'd prefer not to. You keep standing in line though Kick........

[nodrog]

Well thats nice. I suppose you know what those tyres cost?? umm, $70 for three seasons.

Sweet as bro, I have some spare ones off my sack barrow (yes Scrivy, that it a wheelbarrow for my sacks) you can have.


.... as that wasn't happening out on the track.......... :no::laugh:

No shit, most of it happened on the grass.

[scrivy]

Lightness of the steering will depend on the castor angle it runs, I haven't checked to see if that's adjustable and I think Alex put thoses bars on for more leverage


:facepalm: Problems with understeer, fat passengers sitting on the back of it...... :rolleyes: Fuck me! You guys are rocket scientists eh!? :scratch::killingme Haven't checked the castor angle yet either..... :rolleyes:

I thought the wide bars were to give you more airing room to dry your socks after a race?? :cool:

[Fast Eddie]

What does it have those enormous bars for then? Steering should be as light as all hell I would have thought.

? why would the steering be light if the tyre stays in contact with the road all the time?...

anyway... it handles like it does. its all good lol

[Fast Eddie]

Kai, have I got a deal for you!!!!
I'll do 2 laps around Humpsters on the side of your thing, if you then do 2 laps on the side of mine..... :niceone::first:

ha! sure bro, no problem with that on my end..

I can swing... can you?

[scrivy]

ha! sure bro, no problem with that on my end..

I can swing... can you?

HEE HEE HEE...................

Im sure I can do it around Humpstey Dumpstey. Question is (and I'll put it to you Drew) can Kai do 2 laps on the house bus......???

:headbang:

[scrivy]

? why would the steering be light if the tyre stays in contact with the road all the time?...


When I take my road busa out for rides, the steering is way fucken light.............

Errrr... cause the fronts not on the road............. :eek:

[Fast Eddie]

HEE HEE HEE...................

Im sure I can do it around Humpstey Dumpstey. Question is (and I'll put it to you Drew) can Kai do 2 laps on the house bus......???

:headbang:

lol.. make it 4 then.

[scrivy]

lol.. make it 4 then.

Sweet!! Let's make it 10!!
You on the side first................. :not:

[Fast Eddie]

When I take my road busa out for rides, the steering is way fucken light.............

in russia, you don't ride busa, busa ride you

[Fast Eddie]

Let's make it 10!!

thats pushing it mate.

I'll give you 5 laps to try throw me off. after 5 a fall would just be a result of my narcolepsy

[scrivy]

thats pushing it mate.

I'll give you 5 laps to try throw me off. after 5 a fall would just be a result of my narcolepsy
You do know I've 'LOST' 15 passengers aye?!...... Do I hear 16??

[Kickaha]

? why would the steering be light if the tyre stays in contact with the road all the time?...
Castor angle, fucking look it up


HEE HEE HEE...................

Im sure I can do it around Humpstey Dumpstey. Question is (and I'll put it to you Drew) can Kai do 2 laps on the house bus......???

:headbang:
Depends entirely on if you ride to the level of the swinger on the bike or ride like a cock

[Drew]

. Question is (and I'll put it to you Drew) can Kai do 2 laps on the house bus......???

:headbang:How would I know? I'm still trying to figure out how I didn't end up going out on my own at Taupo.


He's swung before, so he's got a leg up already.

[nodrog]

Fucksakes Scrivy, can you atleast break the poor cunt after hes had a turn around the track?

[Drew]

Fucksakes Scrivy, can you atleast break the poor cunt after hes had a turn around the track?Swingers are the soft ones I reckon, that Warwick homo wouldn't finish the day with a bit of a sore wrist the 2011 nationals round one. Fuckin pussy!

Kai will just have to ride sore!

[Fast Eddie]

Castor angle, fucking look it up

haha nah I know the basics, I was taking the piss.. cause I didn't get why would he think the steering is light when I had mentioned (I think) it has hub center steering with no castor angle, its pretty much vertical I recon. That setup leaves a big contact patch from lock to lock.

[Fast Eddie]

Kai will just have to ride sore!

hehe..

recon, i never complained as a swinger. and now that im driver I got swingers that tap me after 2 laps and want padding and upholstery on the tray and tail so they don't get bruised.

I just need to clone myself.. that would be a winning combo.

[sidecar bob]

hehe..

recon, i never complained as a swinger. and now that im driver I got swingers that tap me after 2 laps
I ended up tapping Tracey after two laps.

[Fast Eddie]

I ended up tapping Tracey after two laps.

different tap Bob..

much less annoying one I might add...

[Fast Eddie]

NSFW

haha, finally something decent in the newspaper - a sweet new website..

http://creepshots.com/

all about people taking pictures of random strangers without them knowing about it..

creepy!

[Drew]

haha nah I know the basics, I was taking the piss.. cause I didn't get why would he think the steering is light when I had mentioned (I think) it has hub center steering with no castor angle, its pretty much vertical I recon. That setup leaves a big contact patch from lock to lock.

With a vertical steering axis, turning the wheel is not trying to lift the chair, and there is no more resistance wherever the wheel is angled. Add castor and you are, and at the same time as the wheel turns, it leans to accomodate the tyre distorting. So it's "heavier" to turn.

What this means, is that without castor the steering is lighter. It'd be fuckin neer impossible to ride though, because you'd get the mean speed wobble at next to no actual speed.

[scrivy]

What this means, because you'd get the mean speed wobble at next to no actual speed.

Sounds like bob after a few 'kens'.....

[scrivy]

I ended up tapping Tracey after two laps.
Was she that fast?!.....

[Drew]

Sounds like bob after a few 'kens'.....I sniffed a wine bottle cork as it was opened the other night, woke up in A and E.

I might have wobbled.

[Drew]

Was she that fast?!.....No, but she says he is. Ba dum tissssshhhhh.

[scrivy]

different tap Bob..

much less annoying one I might add...

FFS!!! You havent heard her when you leave their house in a mess........

[Fast Eddie]

With a vertical steering axis, turning the wheel is not trying to lift the chair, and there is no more resistance wherever the wheel is angled. Add castor and you are, and at the same time as the wheel turns, it leans to accomodate the tyre distorting. So it's "heavier" to turn.

What this means, is that without castor the steering is lighter. It'd be fuckin neer impossible to ride though, because you'd get the mean speed wobble at next to no actual speed.

aaah I see..

guess I will have to look it up. cause trailing link or whatever has the problem of too much castor angle which decreases contact patch as the wheel lifts off the ground the more you turn

I thought hub center was to keep wheel flatter and increase grip.

I'll have a read later. I don't think the agip bike has adjustable castor anyway

[Drew]

aaah I see..

guess I will have to look it up. cause trailing link or whatever has the problem of too much castor angle which decreases contact patch as the wheel lifts off the ground the more you turn

I thought hub center was to keep wheel flatter and increase grip.

I'll have a read later. I don't think the agip bike has adjustable castor anywayHub center steering just means that the pivot is center of the wheel. The axis is what changes with caster, or 'rake' in bike terms.

[scrivy]

Fucksakes Scrivy, can you atleast break the poor cunt after hes had a turn around the track?

I'll let you 'break in' the new boys Gordy.......... :buggerd:

I will however have a beer with 'em:drinkup:

[scrivy]

hehe..

i never complained, I just need to suck myself.. that would be a winning combo.

It's called auto-fellatio............
Watch out for it at Hampsters - a certain Aussie legend can do it..... his party trick! :laugh:

[Fast Eddie]

Who's seen this/remembers this (came out of an old mag)

street legal sidecar that you actually swing on if you want.. or nip down to the shops.

270710270711270713270714270715270716

[Kickaha]

Who's seen this/remembers this (came out of an old mag)

street legal sidecar that you actually swing on if you want.. or nip down to the shops.


Yeah seen that, I have also have a few more like it as they seem to be able to get a "daytime wof" so no need for lights and shit (cept for brakes)

[Fast Eddie]

Hub center steering just means that the pivot is center of the wheel. The axis is what changes with caster, or 'rake' in bike terms.

yea. but I thought they use hub center steering because it lets them have much less castor or rake in an effort to keep the tyre flat on the ground when turning and keep the contact patch big.

I'm watching some dvd about sidecar racing now cause thats where I got my basic understanding from haha.. so I'll see what it says again.

[Kickaha]

but I thought they use hub center steering because it lets them have much less castor or rake in an effort to keep the tyre flat on the ground when turning and keep the contact patch big.

It is all about contact patch

[Fast Eddie]

so what have I got wrong..

more castor = more contact patch? just doesn't seem right lol

regardless it was a good excuse to start watching 'on any other sunday' again.. never knew I had it haha but remember watching it ages ago, glad I got it on my computer - can maybe make a copy onto cd/dvd if anyone wants it. just pay for post/cd. its f*ckn awesome video!

lotta 2 strokes

[Drew]

No, castor = less contact patch when you're stationary. It cambers the wheel when you turn, and when there is momentum and load on the tyre, in a perfect set up it keeps the tread flat.

However, the biggest advantage to castor is stability. Because turning the wheel literally lifts the vehicle with a castor, the weight of the bike is holding it straight.

[Fast Eddie]

No, castor = less contact patch when you're stationary. It cambers the wheel when you turn, and when there is momentum and load on the tyre, in a perfect set up it keeps the tread flat.

I'm watching the video now, and they are saying what im saying haha.. (or, im repeating what they are saying)

hub center with a setup that makes sure from full lock to full lock the edges of the wheel do not lift off the ground/wheel stays flat on the ground is supposedly better, compared to trailing/leading link setups where the rake or castor is quite vicious and the edges of the wheel lifts off the ground a bit when you turn and decreases contact patch (even in corner under load). End result is hub center gives more grip and better steering because wheel stays flat on the ground with more tyre in contact with the road at all times. So I'm still getting the message that less castor or angle as you turn the better. so having a vertical castor would be ideal for contact patch when cornering (edit: there is no doubt a lot more to it, there is camber and geometry shit and all that for a reason to make sure under cornering loads or whatever the tyre stays flat on road and contact patch is as big as possible) but would be very very hard to keep in a straight line (maybe impossible)

anyway - my brain hurts.. good chat.

check out 'on any other sunday' its mint vid on sidecar racing.

[scrivy]

regardless it was a good excuse to start watching 'on any other sunday' again.. never knew I had it haha but remember watching it ages ago, glad I got it on my computer - can maybe make a copy onto cd/dvd if anyone wants it. just pay for post/cd. its f*ckn awesome video!


Make a few copies - bring 'em up to Humpme Downs Syndrome - I'm sure people will pay for them.... I will.

[Drew]

Hmmmm, researching....

[Fast Eddie]

its def a good watch, just watching terry windle building up a chassis now haha..

[Drew]

its def a good watch, just watching terry windle building up a chassis now haha..

Burn that shit onto a disk for me. I'll PM postal addy.

[scrivy]

Burn that shit onto a disk for me. I'll PM postal addy.

He'll take a roll of luncheon sausage and a blowy from you Drew!

[Drew]

He'll take a roll of luncheon sausage and a blowy from you Drew!A much better than price than you demanded!

[scrivy]

A much better than price than you demanded!

DUDE!!! That was Kick, not me...........

Don't confuse me with that pie eating homo.......

[Drew]

DUDE!!! That was Kick, not me...........

Don't confuse me with that pie eating homo.......You're the sandwich eating homo?

[Fast Eddie]

lol.. I'll take cash money - I got a hot mrs I really don't need man love until I'm at least 40-45 and she ditches me for a younger model

further note.. I see what you were sayin Drew about no castor being easier to turn.. if you have heaps of castor the wheels will always fight to stay straight eh.. if you have no castor u can easily turn the wheel but then you'd have to turn it back to go straight.

I was thinking more that no castor would have such a big contact patch all the time that the sheer grip of the tyre would make it hard to turn.

think thats what you were saying anyway.. didn't get it before.

[Drew]

further note.. I see what you were sayin Drew about no castor being easier to turn.. if you have heaps of castor the wheels will always fight to stay straight eh.. if you have no castor u can easily turn the wheel but then you'd have to turn it back to go straight.

I was thinking more that no castor would have such a big contact patch all the time that the sheer grip of the tyre would make it hard to turn.

think thats what you were saying anyway.. didn't get it before.Yep, that's it.

[scrivy]

Yep, that's it.

Green........ Square maybe...

[Kickaha]

Make a few copies - bring 'em up to Humpme Downs Syndrome

You bringing the big screen TV and DVD player?

edit: and most likely the strippers

[scrivy]

You bringing the big screen TV and DVD player?

edit: and most likely the strippers

Have I let you down before Kick??:no:

[Fast Eddie]

:no:

naw look at those puppy dog eyes :rolleyes:

[Drew]

If there's gonna be strippers, (they have to be hot chicks!) I'll be there for sure!!!

[scrivy]

If there's gonna be strippers, (they have to be hot chicks!) I'll be there for sure!!!

YOU and KAI are the strippers......

[scrivy]

Three weeks to go Gordy...... Finished that rig yet......?????? Open day at Taupo this Wednesday.......

[Drew]

YOU and KAI are the strippers......

I know what happens when someone takes his clothes off around you deviants, Warwick told me! He still hasn't gotten over it either, look at the eating disorder he's developed for Christ sakes!

[scrivy]

I know what happens when someone takes his clothes off around you deviants, Warwick told me! He still hasn't gotten over it either, look at the eating disorder he's developed for Christ sakes!

Ever wondered why he bends over and touches his toes when he goes to a sidecar meeting......??
He reckons he's developed athritis in his back........ bullshit....... he's just a homo.....

[Kickaha]

Ever wondered why he bends over and touches his toes when he goes to a sidecar meeting......??
I wouldn't do that anywhere near any of you cunts, not without having my back to a wall anyway

[nodrog]

Three weeks to go Gordy...... Finished that rig yet......?????? Open day at Taupo this Wednesday.......

yeah, just been to to Mcdonalds on it.

[Fast Eddie]

fuuuck, drank a drink called the 'sidecar' tonight, thanks to dr. waters..

then had a bunch of other disgusting cocktails and whisky.

bouncer didn't appreciate me topping up my own drink. dunno why, he was canadian..

[Kickaha]

fuuuck, drank a drink called the 'sidecar' tonight, thanks to dr. waters..
Dr Waters?, does that line actually work for him? deviant cunt, he'll fit right in

[Fast Eddie]

haha it had moderate success.. chatting and maybe number exchange.

was funny to listen to though

[Fast Eddie]

the Americans saw the word sidecar but having never seen a picture of one, this is what they came up with...
270842

not a bad way to take your final ride..
270843

here's a real one ;)
270841

the white blue thing is the windle long bike piloted by Grant and Matt.. they are planning an assault on the national title.... we'll see how they do, might need to drop a couple more seconds off their times before Jan
270844

I was trying to get them to do BSTT and for ages they were like nah can't do it, then on sat just been they were like aw you're lucky you can do it (to me) we could have but its getting a bit late now.. lol fuckers. I think it would have been good for them to see the pace of you guys. give em an idea of how many more seconds they actually gotta lose!

[scrivy]

here's a real one ;)
270841
Looks nice Kai
the white blue thing is the windle long bike piloted by Grant and Matt.. they are planning an assault on the national title.... we'll see how they do, might need to drop a couple more seconds off their times before Jan


I was trying to get them to do BSTT and for ages they were like nah can't do it, then on sat just been they were like aw you're lucky you can do it (to me) we could have but its getting a bit late now.. lol fuckers. I think it would have been good for them to see the pace of you guys. give em an idea of how many more seconds they actually gotta lose!

Remind them that SI sidecar teams get free entry........ Entries haven't closed yet.....

[Fast Eddie]

I messaged up Grant and asked him if any chance he can make a last minute effort. Sadly it is still a no, he has just left one job and starts a new job soon and has too much going on.

He is doing all rounds of the nationals though.

Doesn't want to do any street races, recons the newer windle chassis don't go so well on the street maybe?

[Kickaha]

Doesn't want to do any street races, recons the newer windle chassis don't go so well on the street maybe?
Get that pussy a saucer of milk

Wouldn't be any worse than the LCRs and none of them seem to have suffered from it

[Kickaha]

This is not how you're meant to swing on a long bike
http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/643878_110129849144423_1282487002_n.jpg
It also shows even world champions can get it wrong

[sidecar bob]

Doesn't want to do any street races, recons the newer windle chassis don't go so well on the street maybe?

Is that the short Windle down South? the one that has a chassis built for the Isle of Man?:facepalm:

[Kickaha]

Is that the short Windle down South? the one that has a chassis built for the Isle of Man?:facepalm:

No it's the long Windle ex Jim Coyle, the short Windle down here isn't a converted 600, supposedly it was built for the 1000cc engine and is a different wheelbase than the F2 version

[sidecar bob]

No it's the long Windle ex Jim Coyle, the short Windle down here isn't a converted 600, supposedly it was built for the 1000cc engine and is a different wheelbase than the F2 version

Then I understand his concerns.
Is the short 1000 one the ex Pirate bike?

[Drew]

Then I understand his concerns.
Is the short 1000 one the ex Pirate bike?Yip. I rike it, buy it for me!

[sidecar bob]

Yip. I rike it, buy it for me!

I already own enough bikes that others ride, I could start my own class, bobs bikes.

[Fast Eddie]

the short Windle down here isn't a converted 600, it was supposedly built for the 1000cc engine and is a different wheelbase than the F2 version

seems strange design from the UK, what would it have been built for? in f1/1000cc have to be long bikes don't they? or are they open class with any chassis and can be a short engine in front of rider layout if they want?

it suits NZ and Aussie tho..

sell that MHR already Kick :D get out there before you forget about the sport. (and keep that noisy black bike honest)

[Drew]

(and keep that noisy black bike honest)Pretty sure, that the Windle is better than just "keeping" the Harris bike honest.

Not that Jimmy and I did it, but there were a couple wee limiting factors that day. Like, it was geared to do about 140 flat out! Exit the sweaper, shift one cog, hit the limiter about 20 meters before the start line.

Wonder if the guy that owns it will accept a fucked Hiace van, and an RF900 as trade?

[Fast Eddie]

Pretty sure, that the Windle is better than just "keeping" the Harris bike honest.
oh yea the bike is for sure.


Not that Jimmy and I did it, but there were a couple wee limiting factors that day. Like, it was geared to do about 140 flat out! Exit the sweaper, shift one cog, hit the limiter about 20 meters before the start line. shoulda shifted another cog then ;)


Wonder if the guy that owns it will accept a fucked Hiace van, and an RF900 as trade?
its been on trademe for a while now! I tried contacting him but he won't reply.. bastard.

Give it a shot, if he replies tell him to sell me his old FZR race carbs while you've got a comms link.

[Fast Eddie]

Sweet *UPDATE*

Bike is safely tucked onto the Bike Tranz truck and leaving Christchurch heading North, Heading to Tauranga I believe. So next time I see it, will be at the Barry Sheene warming up for practice! can't wait.

Entry was confirmed and should get entry pack next week

Got our flights up there and back. The Pie Monger (kick) said he'd taxi us from the airport to the barry sheene and back to airport if we're lucky :D

Sleeping wherever we can, its me, swinger Phil and the mrs Ella :D

See you all there! only a couple weeks away now!! fook yea

Bikes log book is not up to date, last hurdle - tried to get it tech checked down here but didn't happen, and hasn't happened at any of our meetings this year. So will cross that bridge when I come to it :S

p.s. I've noted down the odometer reading and the tread on the tyres - so no joy riding down the main drag picking up chicks on my beast

[nodrog]

its been on trademe for a while now! I tried contacting him but he won't reply.. bastard.

Give it a shot, if he replies tell him to sell me his old FZR race carbs while you've got a comms link.

he replied to me. havent you noticed its not on trademe anymore?

[Drew]

he replied to me. havent you noticed its not on trademe anymore?
I seriously hope you're not taking the piss, and that the outfit is gonna get some track time.

[Fast Eddie]

hehe nice, nah I hadn't looked at it in a while.. but yea listing looks to be expired :D

you banging it round at the BSTT?

[scrivy]

Bike is safely tucked onto the Bike Tranz truck and leaving Christchurch heading North, Heading to Tauranga I believe. So next time I see it, will be at the Barry Sheene warming up for practice! can't wait.


I friggin doubt it................. Bobs got it re-sold already!!
He's taking that awful colour scheme off it, and putting in a GSXR1000!!

You'll never see it again.............................:shifty::woohoo:

[scrivy]

you banging it round at the BSTT?

He'll bang anything at the BSTT!! :facepalm:

[Drew]

and putting in a GSXR1000!!

You'll never see it again.............................:shifty::woohoo: Lets face it, that doubles the value instantly! Bob could give Kai his money back and still make good coin!

[scrivy]

Shit Kai, I was expecting a faster comeback from you than this..................

[Fast Eddie]

haha I'm watching racing on the other screen..

[scrivy]

he replied to me. havent you noticed its not on trademe anymore?

Ya bastard!!! I even rang you thinking you had got it.......... I was spanking my monkey..................... :gob:
Only to be disappointed............. :facepalm:

[Drew]

the other screen..

He's a fuckin NERD!

Write this guy off, lets move on!

[scrivy]

haha I'm watching racing on the other screen..

Who gravy strocking first???
Oh, not that kind of racing???

[Fast Eddie]

He's a fuckin NERD!

Write this guy off, lets move on!

haha keep quiet Nathan Explosion

[Fast Eddie]

Who gravy strocking first???
Oh, not that kind of racing???

wtf is gravy strocking..

I'm watching you crashing into hay bales on repeat. It's classic cuz

[scrivy]

He's a fuckin NERD!

Write this guy off, lets move on!

At least he's got a chair..............:shifty: :love:
....and he's doing BSTT and Wangas!!! :woohoo:

[nodrog]

I was spanking my monkey..................... :gob:
Only to be disappointed............. :facepalm:

Shit man, its a bit rough when you are disapointed by your own cock. :shit:

[Drew]

At least he's got a chair..............:shifty: :love:
....and he's doing BSTT and Wangas!!! :woohoo:I could have ten rigs, I still wouldn't do Wanganui bro.

[Kickaha]

I still wouldn't do Wanganui bro.
Becaue you're a softcock pussy wannabee?

[Kickaha]

seems strange design from the UK, what would it have been built for? in f1/1000cc have to be long bikes don't they? or are they open class with any chassis and can be a short engine in front of rider layout if they want?
They do run a open class but I think it's more a club meeting thing

get out there before you forget about the sport. (and keep that noisy black bike honest)
Yeah I would have to say over the last couple of years the love has well and truly gone

he replied to me. havent you noticed its not on trademe anymore?
If you did get it I wouldn't say it's "turn key" really the engine needs to be mounted properly and the injection put back on it

Then I understand his concerns.
Well look how it ended up last time it ran at Wanganui :lol:

[nodrog]

If you did get it I wouldn't say it's "turn key" really the engine needs to be mounted properly and the injection put back on it



yes I have recently learnt that the south Island is full of retardation and wannabe Mcgyver types. :facepalm:

[Kickaha]

yes I have recently learnt that the south Island is full of retardation and wannabe Mcgyver types. :facepalm:

Don't worry the North has even more and most of them race sidecars

[Drew]

Becaue you're a softcock pussy wannabee?

Got my reasons, doubt anyone questions weather or not I am keen to do the dumb dangerous shit.

[sidecar bob]

Got my reasons, doubt anyone questions weather or not I am keen to do the dumb dangerous shit.

I get it totally.
To me, winning at Wangas is going home all together in a big white van WITHOUT red flashing lights on the roof.

[scrivy]

Got my reasons, doubt anyone questions weather or not I am keen to do the dumb dangerous shit.

....and that is why you haven't seen the Busa at Wangas for a few years...... at the speeds they can do, it's simply too dangerous. I'm only doing it this year so our class has enough numbers on the grid. Doesn't mean I'm gunna go 100% though.

One blown tyre, one blown brake line......... shit happens........:no:

[PirateJafa]

Entry is in for BSTT, so Squiggles and myself will see yas there. :) Feel free to say hi if you see us, sidecar will be running my number #277. :)

[Kickaha]

I sort of see where some of you are coming from regarding street racing but it really doesn't cross my mind it might turn to custard and we've had a mechanical failure at Wangas

I'm more worried about some of the people I have to share the track with than anything else

[Drew]

It doesn't cross my mind either. Which is why it ain't a good idea to run the streets on a chair for me.

[sidecar bob]

....and that is why you haven't seen the Busa at Wangas for a few years...... at the speeds they can do, it's simply too dangerous. I'm only doing it this year so our class has enough numbers on the grid. Doesn't mean I'm gunna go 100% though.

One blown tyre, one blown brake line......... shit happens........:no:

I worry about Traceys almost excessive enthusiasm for the place. Thats why pinky is as good as it can possibly be.
If anyone carves her up like happened last year, I will take the same action against them too.
It is no place to behave like a fuckwit, on or off the track.

[Grumph]

I worry about Traceys almost excessive enthusiasm for the place. Thats why pinky is as good as it can possibly be.
If anyone carves her up like happened last year, I will take the same action against them too.
It is no place to behave like a fuckwit, on or off the track.

agree 100%

The last time I went there with a competitor - pretty sure it was the last time it counted for the Nats, so looong ago...We were told at riders briefing that the duty doctor at Wanganui A&E was anti motorcycle....rabidly anti.

Official advice was that if you had an injured but walking rider, take them to Palmerston North....

Very reassuring....

[sidecar bob]

agree 100%

The last time I went there with a competitor - pretty sure it was the last time it counted for the Nats, so looong ago...We were told at riders briefing that the duty doctor at Wanganui A&E was anti motorcycle....rabidly anti.

Official advice was that if you had an injured but walking rider, take them to Palmerston North....

Very reassuring....

Yep, about the same time that Scrivy copped little more than a mouthful of abuse at the hospital, for flipping in the esses & suffering significant internal injuries.

[Fast Eddie]

..If anyone carves her up like happened last year..

and what happened last year..

[Fast Eddie]

.We were told at riders briefing that the duty doctor at Wanganui A&E was anti motorcycle....rabidly anti.


Scrivy copped little more than a mouthful of abuse at the hospital, for flipping in the esses & suffering significant internal injuries.

jeez what sorta Dr's you got up on the N.I. eh?

[nodrog]

Fuck you guys have scared me, sidecar forsale, pm me for details.

[scrivy]

Fuck you guys have scared me, sidecar forsale, pm me for details.

Foghorn Leghorn........ :violin::facepalm:

[sidecar bob]

jeez what sorta Dr's you got up on the N.I. eh?

South African ones that have only ever pulled bullets out of niggers backs.

[Fast Eddie]

They might do me favours then, I was born there

[scrivy]

They might do me favours then, I was born there

I've told you before, Gordy will give you all the favours you want.......

[Fast Eddie]

I've told you before, Gordy will give you all the favours you want.......

true true, I thought there was something to be read in between the lines in his last comment..


Fuck you guys have scared me, sidecar forsale, pm me for details.

[sidecar bob]

They might do me favours then, I was born there

I kinda knew that.

[sidecar bob]

and what happened last year..

Only this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJK11my5W50
Its what happens when someone that qualified ninth has aspirations of taking three thirds on the day, as he freely admits on camera.

[scrivy]

They might do me favours then, I was born there

So.... are you the apa, or the apanuker??

[Drew]

jeez what sorta Dr's you got up on the N.I. eh?Try riding accross Tracey's front wheel, and once Steve's done with you, you'll know first hand.:laugh:

If you look, you can see Dion's leg bending in a very unnatural way between ankle and knee, just before he gets up and hops away.

[scrivy]

Only this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJK11my5W50
Its what happens when someone that qualified ninth has aspirations of taking three thirds on the day, as he freely admits on camera.

At least he admitted fault. Didn't make up some bullshit comment about 'being hit from behind......':shutup:

[sidecar bob]

At least he admitted fault. Didn't make up some bullshit comment about 'being hit from behind......':shutup:

True true. Suffice to say, Pete & I have made our peace.

[nodrog]

Foghorn Leghorn........ :violin::facepalm:

Gandy Goose.

[scrivy]

Gandy Goose.

Chicken Little.................

[nodrog]

Chicken Little.................

judging by your avatar you would know :innocent:

[scrivy]

judging by your avatar you would know :innocent:

Chur........... :shifty::shutup:

[scrivy]

You got that beast ready Gordy???
:facepalm:

I won't hold my breath................:sick:

[nodrog]

You got that beast ready Gordy???
:facepalm::

I dont know, last I heard he was going for a mountain bike ride or some shit to try and get fit to hang on the side of the beemer.

I'm gearing myself up to do a pushup before practice.

[Kickaha]

I dont know, last I heard he was going for a mountain bike ride or some shit to try and get fit to hang on the side of the beemer.
I made up for that today by having fish and chips for lunch and a 1.5L bottle of coke

[nodrog]

I made up for that today by having fish and chips for lunch and a 1.5L bottle of coke

Fuck, you didnt have to go on a diet as well :laugh:

[Kickaha]

Fuck, you didnt have to go on a diet as well :laugh:

Well I did leave out the burger

[Fast Eddie]

So.... are you the apa, or the apanuker??
lol dunno what that is. Was only born there.


Only this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJK11my5W50
Its what happens when someone that qualified ninth has aspirations of taking three thirds on the day, as he freely admits on camera.
oh yea seen that clip, rough. swinger on the short bike that got clipped before tracey managed to get his hand out of the way in time.

[Pumba]

According to Facebook this has come via the sidecar racing association, but it is too fucking cool not to share in this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-rcCrgXhKAM

[nodrog]

According to Facebook this has come via the sidecar racing association, but it is too fucking cool not to share in this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-rcCrgXhKAM

that was choice! I want a turn.

[Drew]

Fuck yeah, where do I sign up for a go at that?

[Kickaha]

That was one track I'd love to race on, I fnd it interesting that you'd race there but not at Wangas Drew, lot of concrete walls and no run off over the top


What about a tubular Baker for someone http://www.ebay.com/itm/271072474535;jsessionid=52E3F2AD02616348778DF48B5D E26E5F?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html %3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D271072474535% 26_rdc%3D1

[Drew]

That was one track I'd love to race on, I fnd it interesting that you'd race there but not at Wangas Drew, lot of concrete walls and no run off over the top


What about a tubular Baker for someone http://www.ebay.com/itm/271072474535;jsessionid=52E3F2AD02616348778DF48B5D E26E5F?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html %3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D271072474535% 26_rdc%3D1
My concerns with Wanganui are not solely based on safety. I don't like the event, I have little motivation to go there at all.

[Drew]

What about a tubular Baker for someone http://www.ebay.com/itm/271072474535;jsessionid=52E3F2AD02616348778DF48B5D E26E5F?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsch%2Fi.html %3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D271072474535% 26_rdc%3D1That's pretty fuckin cool. Seems easier than mmonokok, wonder how it compares for rigidity and weight? Windle long chairs are still steel tube though aye? So I suppose they think it's a good system.

[sidecar bob]

According to Facebook this has come via the sidecar racing association, but it is too fucking cool not to share in this thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-rcCrgXhKAM

Doug Chivas had that same number 12 TZ 750 at Eastern Creek in March. He had to tuck in behind Tracey entering turn one. I was very proud.

[scrivy]

..

That is nice....
I want his bus..........

[scrivy]

Doug Chivas had that same number 12 TZ 750 at Eastern Creek in March. He had to tuck in behind Tracey entering turn one. I was very proud.

I think most of the kiwis ontop of the pit garages were!!!
I think even some of the Aussies were mightily impressed too!!

[Fast Eddie]

That tubular Baker is sweet.

good footage of one of those running at the front in a pack of monocoque LCR's/Windles in the any other sunday film.

not next weekend but the weekend after I'm gonna be havin some of my first laps of HD! yippeee

[scrivy]

not next weekend but the weekend after I'm gonna be havin some of my first laps of HD! yippeee

I told you Kai, Bobs already hocked it off........ :yes:

But you're in luck.... :shit:

The guy who brought it said it was shite, so gave it back to him...........:facepalm:

[Drew]

I told you Kai, Bobs already hocked it off........ :yes:

But you're in luck.... :shit:

The guy who brought it said it was shite, so gave it back to him...........:facepalm:Bob didn't even give back my box of fucken heineken either!

[scrivy]

Bob didn't even give back my box of fucken heineken either!

Hed suck even you for a box of Heineken.....

[kiwi cowboy]

That tubular Baker is sweet.

good footage of one of those running at the front in a pack of monocoque LCR's/Windles in the any other sunday film.

not next weekend but the weekend after I'm gonna be havin some of my first laps of HD! yippeee

Ya lucky bastard but good luck up there and hope you have a ball.

On a side note jeesh you sidecar guys talk some shit.
I,ve had to read all pages and the only thing that is reacuring is how gay you guys are:laugh::facepalm:.
Do all of you race honda motors:laugh::laugh::laugh:as you were.

[Drew]

Ya lucky bastard but good luck up there and hope you have a ball.

On a side note jeesh you sidecar guys talk some shit.
I,ve had to read all pages and the only thing that is reacuring is how gay you guys are:laugh::facepalm:.
Do all of you race honda motors:laugh::laugh::laugh:as you were.Its true, them central hicks are a bit soft in the head!:laugh:

You should have gleaned form the first page, that sidecar riders are all fucken devients, and just skipped to the end to post.

[jellywrestler]

My concerns with Wanganui are not solely based on safety. I don't like the event, I have little motivation to go there at all.

nice to see you're level headed about the place, with a chip on both shoulders!

[scrivy]

nice to see you're level headed about the place, with a chip on both shoulders!

A bit harsh Spyda. He's entitled to his opinion. Quite frankly I cant stand the place either. A few threads on here will agree with us also. Its become more of a business than a club putting on a meeting for members.
But thats my opinion.

[jellywrestler]

Its become more of a business than a club putting on a meeting for members.
.
the truth is nowadays that any club that doesn't run a medium to large event with a business model behind it somewhere is doomed, simple as that, unless they have a generous patron who will underwrite their losses at the end of the day.

Case in point will be the Barry Sheene Memorial, hat's off to the people who had the balls to run with it and I for one will hope like fuck it'll work for them financially, if it doesn't there's going to be some empty wallets around the place.

[Fast Eddie]

I told you Kai, Bobs already hocked it off........ :yes:
har har :motu: cuunts. my poor wee cheap bike, be suprised if u even got a doz for it


Ya lucky bastard but good luck up there and hope you have a ball.

On a side note jeesh you sidecar guys talk some shit.
I,ve had to read all pages and the only thing that is reacuring is how gay you guys are:laugh::facepalm:.

haha cheers bro, on both accounts :D

[Drew]

nice to see you're level headed about the place, with a chip on both shoulders!

Nice to see you assuming I have a chip on my shoulder, for not wanting to run at an event, that I have never even entered.

I haven't bagged it, tried to warn anyone off, bad mouthed, or in any way defamed the event or it's organisers. I simply don't want to ride there.

[Kickaha]

That's pretty fuckin cool. Seems easier than mmonokok, wonder how it compares for rigidity and weight? Windle long chairs are still steel tube though aye? So I suppose they think it's a good system.

Long windle is made the same as the LCR alloy monocoque, I have an article here somewhere and I think it is Terry Windle they interview who tells them he can build a tubular just as good and the monocouque is just fashion :lol:

In the video Kai is talking about they do a lap of the same track on both of them, the tubular with leading link is meant to be a bit more forgiving than a monocoque and easier to ride
That one in the add has a LCR type rear end while most of them have a swingarm

[Kickaha]

Gordie someone is taking the piss out of us :cry:


But we gonna beat you and Gordie :bleh:

[Grumph]

Long windle is made the same as the LCR alloy monocoque, I have an article here somewhere and I think it is Terry Windle they interview who tells them he can build a tubular just as good and the monocouque is just fashion :lol:

In the video Kai is talking about they do a lap of the same track on both of them, the tubular with leading link is meant to be a bit more forgiving than a monocoque and easier to ride
That one in the add has a LCR type rear end while most of them have a swingarm

Windle's got a point there...if both tube frame and monocoque can be built down to the weight limit while being adequately stiff - and the tube frame is easier to make and repair - it is just fashion.
Remember, Windle built a run of carbon fibre monocoques - and L Christian came over to have a look at the first one built, smiled and said, Very nice - but not necessary....

[Drew]

Windle's got a point there...if both tube frame and monocoque can be built down to the weight limit while being adequately stiff - and the tube frame is easier to make and repair - it is just fashion.
That's my question though. Can it be done?

[Kickaha]

Windle's got a point there...if both tube frame and monocoque can be built down to the weight limit while being adequately stiff - and the tube frame is easier to make and repair - it is just fashion. That was exactly Terrys point

Remember, Windle built a run of carbon fibre monocoques - and L Christian came over to have a look at the first one built, smiled and said, Very nice - but not necessary....
I think they made at least three and they had some good success winning Euro champs and a bit of other stuff but were a bit more fragile in crashes and a lot harder to repair

There' still at least one around in the UK

[Fast Eddie]

actually, on the any other sunday interview with terry windle, he says the monocoque is easier to repair. you simply unstitch the affected parts and stitch in new parts and the chassis will handle/feel just like new. tubular you can twist and write off the whole thing...

just what i saw on tv anyway haha

[Pumba]

............ he says the monocoque is easier to repair. ..........

Yea that would be true from my limited knowledge of the metal Monocouque, but not a carbon fibre one.

[Kickaha]

actually, on the any other sunday interview with terry windle, he says the monocoque is easier to repair. you simply unstitch the affected parts and stitch in new parts and the chassis will handle/feel just like new. tubular you can twist and write off the whole thing...

Yeah because the monocoque is made in sections which is why you can upgrade the older LCR to the post 95 front end quite easily

He was talking more about the building of them than the repair, I'll try and dig the article out

[nodrog]

Gordie someone is taking the piss out of us :cry:

Mate, try living here:weep:. Do you have the number for mans refuge? :bash:

[Kickaha]

Do you have the number for mans refuge? :bash:

No, but I found their website http://www.calendargirls.co.nz/photogallery/entertainers

[sidecar bob]

Mate, try living here:weep:. Do you have the number for mans refuge? :bash:

Come around to number two, we'll look after you.

[Drew]

No, but I found their website http://www.calendargirls.co.nz/photogallery/entertainersGood mate is one of the managers for that refuge in Wellington.

I am more than happy to come along with anyone for support.

[Fast Eddie]

its my swingers birthday today, mrs eddie painted him a picture of us from our second race in Timaru:

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shes done a painting of herself on my roadbike if anyones seen it. Girls got talent, she did me a Shelby Cobra too since its a wee dream car for one day.

if anyones got a cool photo they want done on a big canvas or something you should hit her up. She would prob want a dollar or two but would be cheap for the hours that go into it.

[scrivy]

if anyones got a cool photo they want done on a big canvas or something you should hit her up. She would prob want a dollar or two but would be cheap for the hours that go into it.

I'll give her two dollars for a painting of me racing........ might ruin the canvas though...... :facepalm:

[Kickaha]

Here's some classic footage to get you in the mood Gordy, gets interesting near the end:facepalm:

http://youtu.be/J1pVrX4ueXk

[scrivy]

Here's some classic footage to get you in the mood Gordy, gets interesting near the end:facepalm:

Yip, that'll be you and Gordy.............. I notice the rider bailed out too..... again, that'll be Gordy........ :facepalm::shutup::corn:

[scrivy]

There's obviously been a resurgence of interest in sidecars lately.

I've just heard that former NZ Champion Aaron Lovell is back again on his old Championship winning rig.
Former NZ Champion Spike Taylor has acquired the Tim Reeves LCR sidecar from Steve Bron.
Des has a rider for his short bike.
John Blaymires is riding Bruce's Roberts F2 machine.
Robbie Shorter and his rider Barry have almost gotten the ex NZ Champion Gary Wests' long bike ready.
Gordy (future NZ Chumpion) has almost got his golf caddy ready...........:shutup:

It's all looking very promising!:yes:

Can't wait for it to all start............................:woohoo:

[Kickaha]

Former NZ Champion Spike Taylor has acquired the Tim Reeves LCR sidecar from Steve Bron.
Are you sure? last I heard that had fallen through

John Blaymires is riding Bruce's Roberts F2 machine.
What bike is that?

[Fast Eddie]

Good to hear.. all north island tho haha.

need some S.I. numbers

[scrivy]

Are you sure? last I heard that had fallen through
You obviously don't know the right people Kick.....

What bike is that?

The ex Stu Prentis short bike now repowered with a 600.

[Ivan]

hey scrivvy do you know any photographers from the january round at taupo at the TRS series??

[scrivy]

hey scrivvy do you know any photographers from the january round at taupo at the TRS series??

No sorry. I want some too......

[nodrog]

Here's some classic footage to get you in the mood Gordy, gets interesting near the end:facepalm:


Fuck thats awesome, ill put some speakers on the beemer, you bring that song!


There's obviously been a resurgence of interest in sidecars lately.............................:woohoo:

everyone just wants to be me!

[Drew]

everyone just wants to be me!Dunno about that. I haven't seen your missus yet!

[sidecar bob]

Dunno about that. I haven't seen your missus yet!

His missus rides a 1050 speed triple very well & likes sidecars, is that a start?

[racer40]

Over 330 entries received for Barry Sheene inc 20 modern sidecars, 16 classic sidecars (as of last Thur ) should be huge. Any of you that are booked in the sidecar garage it is No 13

[bucket boy]

His missus rides a 1050 speed triple very well & likes sidecars, is that a start?

And lets him spend heaps of money on sidecar

[Fast Eddie]

Any of you that are booked in the sidecar garage it is No 13

choice!

am I in there still, Warwick?

[Kickaha]

choice!

am I in there still, Warwick?

Fuck knows I paid the money so you should be, I think Chris said something about a blow job as well but I told him you'd sort that out

[Fast Eddie]

god damn we're gonna have a gay old time.

Not long now!

[Drew]

god damn we're gonna have a gay old time.

Dudr, you know what's gonna happen when you post like this. Please, stop exciting all the dirty old sidecar riders before they do things to you!

[Fast Eddie]

haha, getting excited now (for the racing)

[nodrog]

Dunno about that. I haven't seen your missus yet!

Thats OK shes seen you, shes amazed you are getting married, actually we all are :laugh:

[Drew]

Thats OK shes seen you, shes amazed you are getting married, actually we all are :laugh:No one, is more surprised than me man.:shit:

[Fast Eddie]

Spot the Agip Bike :D

Video with Mo Haley having a yarn about sidecars

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more sidecar videos at www.youtube.com/southislandsidecars

[nodrog]

Abit quiet in here chaps. Is everybody fixing their oil leaks before Hampers? Kick's probably on another mountain bike ride to the pie shop.

[sidecar bob]

Abit quiet in here chaps. Is everybody fixing their oil leaks before Hampers? Kick's probably on another mountain bike ride to the pie shop.

Na Ive given up on sidecars & am spanking my monkey about my new solo!!

[Kickaha]

Kick's probably on another mountain bike ride to the pie shop.
That got to hard but I started on a proper diet, chips, sausage and coke for lunch

[scrivy]

That got to hard but I started on a proper diet, chips, sausage and coke for lunch

Great!! That'll give you the energy you need to swing on Chris Lawrances rig, just incase Richie can't do it due to his knee.:yes:
Two duties at Hampers !! You the MAN Kick, you da MAN! (fuck, you're gunna get killed........):facepalm:

[Kickaha]

Great!! That'll give you the energy you need to swing on Chris Lawrances rig, just incase Richie can't do it due to his knee.:yes:
Two duties at Hampers !! You the MAN Kick, you da MAN! (fuck, you're gunna get killed........):facepalm:

I've seen how Chris treats Richie at Hamster, I better pick some beer up on the way to the track

[scrivy]

I've seen how Chris treats Richie at Hamster, I better pick some beer up on the way to the track

Errr...... so you can.....
1. Drink it to give you extra confidence,
2. To add extra weight to your meagre frame... :shutup:
3. Or so you can shout the boys after practice???

I'm picking no. 3!!!
:drinknsin

[scrivy]

Na Ive given up on sidecars & am spanking my monkey!!

You doing Tracey out of a job?? Demarcation dude......:shifty:

[scrivy]

I've seen how Chris treats Richie at Hamster, I better pick some beer up on the way to the track

Dude, Gordy and Chris (maybe)............. You got a death wish??? :blink:

[Kickaha]

Dude, Gordy and Chris (maybe)............. You got a death wish??? :blink:

Fucking pussies the pair of them, next year I'll bring a solo and race that as well

[Fast Eddie]

I'll hold ya to that, modern sidecar, classic sidecar and a solo..

should be a good 'un

can't wait for next week :wings:

[sidecar bob]

Just between me & my sidecar chums, I scored this for Jay Lawrence to punt at the Bazza. http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=476951062
Shes a bit of a hotrod & were not planning on just stuffing chickens with it!!! First Kiwi. . . . or better, would be a good start.

[scrivy]

Shes a bit of a hotrod & were not planning on just stuffing chickens with it!!!

But why not??? You're both so good at it. Those chickens will be devastated..................:buggerd::moon:

[scrivy]

...planning on just stuffing chickens with it!!! First Kiwi. . . . .

Oh now hang on, I just re-read your post...................
After the chicken you're gunna try your hand at stuffing a kiwi?? You guys are sick...................:killingme