The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[pritch]

freedom of speech
noun
noun: freedom of speech; plural noun: freedoms of speech

the power or right to express one's opinions without censorship, restraint, or legal penalty.

Americans are guaranteed freedom of speech by their constitution. What many of them don't understand is that the first amendment doesn't give you the right to say anything you like about anybody. It means you have the right to criticise the government.

It certainly does not provide the right to go on the 'Net and falsely accuse a person of a crime or whatever, as some people are starting to find out.

[Voltaire]

This one will probably be the next one used.
Was warmed up for Ronnie.

Twenty-fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

[Stylo]

VP might be a job for the clown Jammeh, he's refusing to step down as President of 'The Gambia' in spite of his losing recent elections a week ago.

Trump will need all the help he can get from the same intellectual level, he can't step up yet, he hasn't got a ladder.

[oldrider]

Will it be an interesting couple of days or just another damp squib distraction? - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-is-the-most-ominous-inauguration-day-in-modern-history/2017/01/18/5105f7ee-ddc0-11e6-918c-99ede3c8cafa_story.html?utm_term=.c66e19f3d702 :corn:

[Brian d marge]

Will it be an interesting couple of days or just another damp squib distraction? - https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/this-is-the-most-ominous-inauguration-day-in-modern-history/2017/01/18/5105f7ee-ddc0-11e6-918c-99ede3c8cafa_story.html?utm_term=.c66e19f3d702 :corn:
Ahhh a publication that tells like it it , 6 million copies sold everything


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[pritch]

Was interested to see Trump wanted the military: tanks and missiles, for his inauguration parade. You know, like they do in Russia and North Korea. Next thing he'll want the US Army goose stepping too. He is getting a fly past - weather permitting.

He's sacking Obama appointees with immediate effect. Obama waited until he had replacements ready, sometimes months. There are currently a lot of top security posts vacant.

His team told the Commander of the National Guard to quit his post with effect midnight this Friday their time. When it was pointed out that he is responsible for all security in the state, and that this would be right in the midst of the inaugeration celebrations / protests, they asked him to stay on for a few days. There is so much these fuckwits don't know.

[oldrider]

There is so much these fuckwits don't know.

I remember them saying things like that about the first Labour party in NZ when they took office - it was still being echoed around as I grew up! :psst:

Didn't stop Labour making inroads into reforming the country did it? :no:

Trump being such an unknown quantity is at least making for interesting times - in a few critical areas anyway! :corn: Watch this space! :confused:

[Brian d marge]

First one hundred days , as I said ...

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[jasonu]

I remember them saying things like that about the first Labour party in NZ when they took office - it was still being echoed around as I grew up! :psst:

Didn't stop helen Clarke ruining the country did it? :no:

Trump being such an unknown quantity is at least making for interesting times - in a few critical areas anyway! :corn: Watch this space! :confused:

10 cHARACTERS

[oldrider]

10 cHARACTERS

Helen Clark was about the fourth (?) Labour government - they all went down hill fast after Michael Joseph Savage died - never to recover again - thankfully! :doh:

[Grumph]

He's sacking Obama appointees with immediate effect. Obama waited until he had replacements ready, sometimes months. There are currently a lot of top security posts vacant.


There were some figures quoted on radio today - 600 plus sacked effective immediately - and only around 25 appointments made so far.

If it was NZ, no one would notice - but the US is very different.

I'm also surprised no US authority has come out contesting Putin's claim that Russia has the worlds best prostitutes....

[Oakie]

Didn't stop Labour making inroads into reforming the country did it? Hitler reformed Germany. Reform isn't always positive. Trumps intentions may be good ... but you know what the road to hell is paved with.

[oldrider]

“Color Revolution” against Donald Trump?: http://www.globalresearch.ca/color-revolution-against-donald-trump/5569300 .. fucking dangerous nutters? :weird:

[pete376403]

Ladbrokes (UK bookies) odds on Trump - they should have another one on how long before someone takes him out. Probably not good enough odds.
https://sports.ladbrokes.com/en-gb/betting/politics/american/specials/donald-trump-specials/222881036/

[pritch]

There were some figures quoted on radio today - 600 plus sacked effective immediately - and only around 25 appointments made so far.


And of those about eight have actually provided the required information to the ethics body.



If it was NZ, no one would notice - but the US is very different.


Our system is different. In the US the President appoints all the heads of department, ambassadors etc, usually people who have put millions into his election campaign. For example his Minister of Education who had one of the most stunningly incompetent confirmations hearings ever. And she lied to the Senate which is a jailable offence. 'S OK though she donated millions, her husband has the Amway money. And 'cause Republican.

Our civil service heads are expected to be neutral, they stay in the job whichever party wins the election. Ambassadors are different, some of our ambassadors are career diplomats, but some are political has beens appointed by the govt.

[Brian d marge]

Hitler reformed Germany. Reform isn't always positive. Trumps intentions may be good ... but you know what the road to hell is paved with.
Gold and good intentions

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[jasonu]

I'm also surprised no US authority has come out contesting Putin's claim that Russia has the worlds best prostitutes....

I'll bet they are way better than the K Rd fa'afafines...
https://www.google.com/search?q=fa%27afafine&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjEo8aeodHRAhXngFQKHR2lBZEQ_AUICCgB&biw=1365&bih=921&dpr=0.94#imgrc=bAGYzIRIRuA3ZM%3A

[Grumph]

I'll bet they are way better than the K Rd fa'afafines...

Oh certainly....But if Trump is going to "make America great again" that's one area he has expertise in, and surely will do something about...

[pritch]

In case anyone is interested:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/01/19/donald-trump-has-assembled-the-worst-cabinet-in-american-history/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1

[oldrider]

Trump speech consistent with his election rhetoric - just have to wait and see: "Men shall be remembered for what they do rather than what they say!" :shutup:

As Obama claimed "Yes we can" - eight years later - result? - "NO HE DID NOT" :facepalm:

Time will reveal all - :yes: ------- :corn:

[Voltaire]

Trump speech consistent with his election rhetoric - just have to wait and see: "Men shall be remembered for what they do rather than what they say!" :shutup:

As Obama claimed "Yes we can" - eight years later - result? - "NO HE DID NOT" :facepalm:

Time will reveal all - :yes: ------- :corn:

I think Obama will be remembered as one of the better Presidents.

Most of the others have been warmongers*....oppsss Defenders of the Free.

* Gerald Ford....can't recall him doing anything much.

[pritch]

As Obama claimed "Yes we can" - eight years later - result? - "NO HE DID NOT" :facepalm:


Yeah, I think his legacy will be huge disappointment. Whoever nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize needs a boot up the arse.

Obama's main positive legacy is the Affordable Care Act which gave health insurance to some twenty milion Americans who didn't have it. The Republicans have sworn to repeal it and have passed the vote to do so. Removing health care from 20 million of their fellow citizens could lose them some 20 million votes though. So having been 100% opposed ever since it was first mooted, they have to come up with something positive, they have to devise a replacement. Interesting.
As someone said, "Time to put their big boy pants on."

[TheDemonLord]

In case anyone is interested:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2017/01/19/donald-trump-has-assembled-the-worst-cabinet-in-american-history/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1

lol - that article reads like some very sour grapes...

[oldrider]

I think Obama will be remembered as one of the better Presidents.

Most of the others have been warmongers*....oppsss Defenders of the Free.

* Gerald Ford....can't recall him doing anything much.


Yeah, I think his legacy will be huge disappointment. Whoever nominated him for the Nobel Peace Prize needs a boot up the arse.

Obama's main positive legacy is the Affordable Care Act which gave health insurance to some twenty milion Americans who didn't have it. The Republicans have sworn to repeal it and have passed the vote to do so. Removing health care from 20 million of their fellow citizens could lose them some 20 million votes though. So having been 100% opposed ever since it was first mooted, they have to come up with something positive, they have to devise a replacement. Interesting.
As someone said, "Time to put their big boy pants on."

So many men so many opinions - it's hard to fathom exactly what is and what isn't! :scratch:

I think when Trump learns that he really isn't in charge the shit will hit the fan and they will have to "dispose" of him somehow. :kick: . :doctor: . :ar15:

It will be tough for them to find a new inconspicuous method! - But I'm sure they will think of something! :Oops: - :bye:

[Brian d marge]

lol - that article reads like some very sour grapes...
Washington Post

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[Ocean1]

lol - that article reads like some very sour grapes...

It does. Which begs the question, where do you begin to find and verify genuinely impartial but qualified comment?

I mean, the polarisation of opinion on pretty much every topic you can imagine is apparent everywhere, all based on questionable facts, do you just ignore the more radical and obviously partisan comment and average out the rest?

All the world is queer save thee and me, and even thou art a little queer.

[jasonu]

where do you begin to find and verify genuinely impartial but qualified comment?


Kiwi Biker of course...DUH!!!:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

[Voltaire]

Kiwi Biker of course...DUH!!!:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm:

Have you looked at ADV Rider CSM ( Church State and Money).... ( you need a log on for that section)

[Brian d marge]

Have you looked at ADV Rider CSM ( Church State and Money).... ( you need a log on for that section)
Not at my age ,,, it's like raising the dead these days

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[husaberg]

I think Obama will be remembered as one of the better Presidents.

Most of the others have been warmongers*....oppsss Defenders of the Free.

* Gerald Ford....can't recall him doing anything much.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxFkEj7KPC0
he was a excellent public speaker not afraid to be human and able to answer questions.
Most of all he was able to laugh at himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Y0HkX6J4c

[jasonu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxFkEj7KPC0
he was a excellent public speaker not afraid to be human and able to answer questions.
Most of all he was able to laugh at himself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25Y0HkX6J4c

Fuck that guy. Good riddance!

[pritch]

lol - that article reads like some very sour grapes...

Not so much sour grapes as realistic? Trump himself is basically a con man. He hasn't released his tax returns which he said he would. he hasn't separated himself from his business interests as has been convention for forty odd years, and he has appointed his son in law to a position in his administration which is actually against a US nepotism law.

There is a law against a president accepting money from any foreign interests and the international nature of his businesses means he is almost certainly in breach of that. That law has never been tested though and the big question at the moment is who could enforce it anyway. He has probably dozens of legal actions against him in the process of going through the courts.

So he has surrounded himself with people he is comfortable with, that some of them have similar "values" to himself shouldn't be a surprise.

Having said all that, I really do hope he manages to keep his promises to the people that got "left behind" but I'm not holding my breath.

[Brian d marge]

As I said studio 54 and Roy Cohn .. should tell you everything

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[husaberg]

Fuck that guy. Good riddance!

Maybe you would.
Ps gee Jace at least admit he was a great speaker.
Even if you don't like his politics that can't be taken away.
I can imagine a senario where Trump proves he is able to match his eloquence or his timing or his humour.

[pete376403]

Trump speech consistent with his election rhetoric - just have to wait and see: "Men shall be remembered for what they do rather than what they say!" :shutup:

As Obama claimed "Yes we can" - eight years later - result? - "NO HE DID NOT" :facepalm:

Time will reveal all - :yes: ------- :corn:
Obama probably would have had a lot more success if he was not saddled with a Repub congress and senate who opposed nearly every single thing he proposed.

[YellowDog]

I can't see trump achieving anything constructive at all :no:

Whose going to support him?

[oldrider]

Obama probably would have had a lot more success if he was not saddled with a Repub congress and senate who opposed nearly every single thing he proposed.

True - but that's politics - Trump hasn't got a cake walk by comparison - look at the shit that has gone down even before he got into office! :bash:

Getting in appears to be the easy part! :done: - now all he has to do is - make things happen! :doh: ...... :thud: ............ Yeah, right! .... :corn:

[Katman]

I imagine the next six months will further expose the absurdity of American politics.

[pritch]

Trump hasn't got a cake walk by comparison



If he hasn't got a cake walk it'll be his own fault. The Republicans have the presidency, the congress, the senate, and Trump gets to nominate the next tie-breaking Supreme Court Justice. That gives him and his party control of all branches of Government.

[yokel]

The American 2016 presidential elections, the gift that keeps giving.

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Oh yeah, pizzagate gunna be in your face.

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[oldrider]

Trump’s “Russia Connection”, Behind America’s Perpetual Wars

Why the Enemy Structures US Identity

http://www.globalresearch.ca/trumps-russia-connection-behind-americas-perpetual-wars/5569853 - Interesting - at least for those who are interested :corn:

[husaberg]

If he hasn't got a cake walk it'll be his own fault. The Republicans have the presidency, the congress, the senate, and Trump gets to nominate the next tie-breaking Supreme Court Justice. That gives him and his party control of all branches of Government.

"Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it"
Look what it has done to him already.

[oldrider]

Another take on the same (US- must have enemy) problem! - (written by an Englishman so that we can understand it?)

From Cold to “Hot War”? Operation Barbarossa II: US Military Buildup in Eastern Europe, The Yanks In Their Armoured Parade

http://www.globalresearch.ca/from-cold-to-hot-war-operation-barbarossa-ii-us-military-buildup-in-eastern-europe-the-yanks-in-their-armoured-parade/5569332?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

[Oakie]

I imagine the next six months will further expose the absurdity of American politics.

As if we needed 6 more months to work that out ...

[Voltaire]

Another take on the same (US- must have enemy) problem! - (written by an Englishman so that we can understand it?)

From Cold to “Hot War”? Operation Barbarossa II: US Military Buildup in Eastern Europe, The Yanks In Their Armoured Parade

http://www.globalresearch.ca/from-cold-to-hot-war-operation-barbarossa-ii-us-military-buildup-in-eastern-europe-the-yanks-in-their-armoured-parade/5569332?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles

I very much doubt if Herr Hitler would have invaded Russia with 3500 troops and associated vehicles. He probably had more invading czechoslovakia
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-poland-idUSKBN14W1E4

Author should probably stick to criminal law and conspiracy articles.:lol:

[yokel]

According to the MSM Trump is Hitler 2.0,
Only thing that's Hitlerish about Trump is his support of the fake nation of Israel.

Guess we'll see how this all goes down.


https://youtu.be/sRBsJNdK1t0

[Voltaire]

Hitler started off well in 1933...

http://www.topinfopost.com/2015/01/05/things-you-were-not-told-about-hitler

( its true, I found it on the internet)


1. Hitler Broke Free from the International Banking Cartels

When Hitler’s period as Chancellor of Germany began, the German people had no work, no money and were starving. A wheelbarrow full of 100 billion-mark banknotes could not buy a loaf of bread at the time, and many Germans were living in shacks after countless homes and farms had been seized by Rothschild/Rockefeller-controlled banks.

In his 1967 book The Magic of Money, Hitler’s Reichsbank President, Dr. Hjalmar Horace Greeley Schacht, let out the big secret:

“The mark’s dramatic devaluation began soon after the Reichsbank was “privatized,” or delivered to private investors.”

In other words, responsible for the post-war hyperinflation was not the German government, but rather the privately owned central bank in Germany, and its monopoly it had over the creation of money. Germany’s economy was crashed and devastated by bankers… that is, until Hitler arrived.

After Hitler was elected, refusing to play ball with the Rockefeller-Rothschild rules, one of the first things he did was fix the corrupt, debt-based financial system. By completely thwarting the international banking cartels, the Nazi government issued its own currency known as Reich Marchs, which were debt free and uncontrollable by international financial interests.

Debt Free Finance = Freedom

If America nationalized their currency as Hitler did for Germany, they would effectively sever all ties with international bankers, the manipulation of their government and economy would cease, and they would live debt-free. Just as Hitler issued debt-free currency for Germany, Abraham Lincoln setup an interest free banking system in the United States when he was President, and he was murdered for it. Former US president Andrew Jackson issued interest-free currency, and two shots were fired at his head in an assassination attempt, but the shots misfired and he survived. John F. Kennedy issued interest-free currency during his presidency and we all know how he met his untimely demise.

After Germany’s public banking system was installed, world Jewry responded by declaring war on Germany, including a global boycott of German goods. Within two years, the German economy was flourishing with its new-found stable, and inflation-free currency.
2. Hitler Created a Thriving Economy with No Unemployment

After setting up a public banking system, Hitler began his reign by constructing new roads, bridges, dams, canals, port facilities, and much needed repair of public and private buildings.

Everything was done with public money that owed no interest to the International “Banksters”. As Hitler said, “For every Mark issued, we required the equivalent of a Mark’s worth of work done, or goods produced.”

Next, the NAZI government encouraged women to be homemakers, and all the work being done to repair and improve the country’s infrastructure and transportation created jobs for men. The unemployment problem had been solved within only two years, and Germany was back on its feet.

It’s often been claimed, that Hitler’s success in reviving his nation’s economy was based largely on government spending for rearmament. This is a myth. As the renowned British historian A. J. P. Taylor noted: “Germany’s economic recovery, which was complete by 1936, did not rest on rearmament; it was caused mainly by lavish expenditure on public works, particularly on motor roads, and this public spending stimulated private spending also, as [British economist John Maynard] Keynes had said it would. …while nearly everyone else in Europe expected a great war, Hitler was the one man who neither expected nor planned for it.”
– A. J. P. Taylor, From Sarajevo to Potsdam (Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1975), p. 140.

3. Hitler Emphasized Respect for Women, Children and Strong Family Values

During the economic hardship just before Hitler was elected, Germany was seeing a declining rate of birth. In 1933, hitler passed a law that enabled married couples to obtain interest free loans minimum 1000 Reich Marks (equal to 9 months salary) to set up homes and start families.

For each child birthed, the couple was allowed to keep 250 marks and did not have to repay it. This system pioneered by the Nazi government exists today in Switzerland. In the eyes of Nazis, women were viewed as the preservers of the tribe, the guardians of future generations, and the priestesses of domestic virtue.

Recognizing that families are the primary unit around which a functioning society is built, Hitler emphasized the principle of maintaining a strong bond among family members. Admired for his high regard for mother’s, families were inspired and strengthened under the leadership of Hitler.

Poor families were helped by using financial incentives, and family allowances, marriage loans and child subsidies were provided equally to each and every segment of society.

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4. Nazi Preservation of Environment and Animals

Under the Nazi regime, mishandling an animal was considered a heinous crime, and if somebody was discovered mistreating an animal, they were sent to concentration camps. As someone with great admiration for animals, Hitler showed great concern for animals native to Germany, and passed laws that ensured their safety and well-being.

In 1934, Hitler passed a law called Das Reichsjagdgesetz (the Reich Hunting Law), which regulated how many animals could be killed per year, and to establish proper ‘hunting seasons’. This law has now been adopted by most western countries.

Animal conservation was included in Primary, Secondary and College levels, and in 1935, the Reichsnaturschutzgesetz (Reich Nature Protection Act) was passed. which placed several native species on a protection list including the wolf and Eurasian lynx. It is likely that this law saved some native forest-inhabiting species from going extinct.

The Nazi’s were also the first to create environmental protection laws in history. The German Imperial Conservation law of 1935 was passed, which protected “remaining portions of landscape in free nature whose preservation on account of rarity, beauty, distinctiveness or on account of scientific, ethnic, forest, or hunting significance lies in the general interest.”

“[It is] useful to know the laws of nature – for that enables us to obey them. To act otherwise would be to rise in revolt against heaven.”
– Adolf Hitler
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Hitler was a well-known lover of animals.
5. Hitler Banned Experimentation on Animals (Vivisection)

Nazy Germany was the first country in the world to ban vivisection, or any experimentation on live animals. With its great concern for animal conservation, and human treatment, a complete ban of vivisection was enacted in April 1933.

The Prime Minister of Prussia Hermann Goring has said:

“An absolute and permanent ban on vivisection is not only a necessary law to protect animals and to show sympathy with their pain, but it is also a law for humanity itself…. I have therefore announced the immediate prohibition of vivisection and have made the practice a punishable offense in Prussia. Until such time as punishment is pronounced the culprit shall be lodged in a concentration camp.”

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This German cartoon depicts animals that were saved from vivisection saluting Hermann Goring. The sign in the window reads “Vivisection Forbidden”.
6. Hitler Funded Research into “Free Energy” Technologies

Hitler was well aware that in order to truly escape the stronghold of economic manipulation by the international banking cartel he would need to find a way to eliminate Germany’s dependence on oil. An inexhaustible source of energy that was not monopolized by the private money cartels was required for true sovereignty, and this is what Hitler sought.

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This pursuit led Germany to develop what has been called The Nazi Bell, which is described by author Joseph P. Farrell as “a hyper-dimensional physics device being researched under the auspices of the SS departments Entwicklungstelle-IV, Forschung, Entwicklung, und Patente, and SS General Hans Kammler’s super-secret weapons black projects think-tank, the Kammlerstab.“

According to Farrell, “the mission brief of the Entwicklungstelle IV was to develop free energy and to make Germany independent of foreign oil.”

The Nazi Bell was designed, in Farrell’s estimation, for a threefold purpose:

Energy Independence
Advanced Propulsion Technology
A Weapon of Tremendous Power

In his book Babylon’s Banksters, Joseph P. Farrell points to evidence that after the War, the United States made every effort to reconstruct the personnel team that worked on the Nazi Bell, so that they could develop the technology for themselves and restore the balance of power between “Nazi International” and “Anglo-American” elite factions.
7. German Workers Were Well-Treated

With the goal of enhancing the standard of living for all German citizens equally, Adolph Hitler stimulated the spirit of integrity, comradeship and happiness, by funding numerous worker’s welfare programs including:

Highly Subsidized International vacation trips.
134,000 theater and concert events for 32 million people (Between 1933-1938). 2 million people went on cruises, and 11 million went on theater trips.
Every citizen was given a radio.
A 5 day work week for all citizens.
Free Public Health.
Hitler’s government banned Trade Unions, and it was mandatory that all workers had to join the German labor Front trade union. Strikes were banned, and people who refused to work were imprisoned.
Every large factory had to provide rest areas, cafeterias, dressing rooms, even playing fields and swimming pools for its workers.

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During the Third Reich, German workers were better treated than at any time before, or since.
8. Organized Industrial Production & Farming

As opposed to the current American economy, where production is driven by the pursuit of maximum profit, Hitler initiated a policy of self-sufficiency, where the goal was to produce only what is required by Germans. The goal of the Nazi government was to produce for its country everything the German people needed without having to rely on imports to meet the needs of its citizens.

Along with the calculated production of material goods, new policies were introduced so that the aim of farming was to produce what German’s needed, not what was most profitable. The government subsidized the farmers for loss of profit and farmers were given guarantees that all of what was grown would be purchased.
9. Hitler Eliminated Crime and Improved Health of Germans

By giving social misfits and criminals jobs, Adolph Hitler was able to reduce the crime rate in Germany. In his 1976 book The Twelve-Year Reich, author R. Grunberger stated that there were significant drops in the rates of murder, robbery, theft, embezzlement and petty larceny during the Hitler years.
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A canister used for collections during the Winter Relief Fund.

Many foreigners were impressed by the improved outlook and health of Germans, including Sir Arnold Wilson, a British M.P. who visited Germany seven times after Hitler came to power.

“Infant mortality has been greatly reduced and is considerably inferior to that in Great Britain,” wrote Wilson. “Tuberculosis and other diseases have noticeably diminished. The criminal courts have never had so little to do and the prisons have never had so few occupants. It is a pleasure to observe the physical aptitude of the German youth. Even the poorest persons are better clothed than was formerly the case, and their cheerful faces testify to the psychological improvement that has been wrought within them.”

10. No Citizen Will Starve or Freeze

A prime philosophy of Germany at the time was that all citizens should share the same standard of living. With this in mind, Nazi Germany boasted one of the largest public welfare programs in history with the slogan “None shall starve nor freeze”. Every year, high-ranking Nazi’s and citizens would take to the streets to collect charity for the unfortunate, which generated a feeling of comradeship toward those in need.

They even went to the extent of publishing names of those who didn’t give charity in the paper as a punishment or reminder of their neglect. According to Mark Weber of the Institute for Historical Review,

“On one occasion, a civil servant was prosecuted for failure to donate, and his argument that it was voluntary was dismissed on the grounds it was an extreme view of liberty, to neglect all duties not actually prescribed by law, and therefore an abuse of liberty.”

11. The Nazi Anti-Tobacco Mission

Nazi doctors were the first to write a major scientific paper linking smoking to lung cancer. Following this report, smoking was banned in restaurants and public transportation systems. Advertising of smoking and cigarettes was severely regulated by the Nazis, and tobacco tax was raised to deter people from smoking. In what was one of the most expensive and effective anti-tobacco movements in history, numerous German health organizations began educating the public that risks of miscarriage were heightened when pregnant women engaged in smoking.

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Nazi Anti-Tobacco Ad: “He does not devour it, it [the cigarette] devours him!”
In the year 1940, while annual cigarette consumption per capita in America was over 3,000, in Germany it was only 749.

Hitler prohibited the sale of cigarettes to women.
Hitler prohibited smoking for people under the age of 18.
Hitler prohibited smoking for people in uniforms.
Hitler prohibited smoking in public areas.
Hitler was the first to place “warning” photos of cancerous lungs on cigarette boxes.

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12. Nazi’s Created a Culture that Cherished Music

Recognizing the importance weaving music into the fabric of a country rich in culture, Hitler founded the State Music Institute in 1933 after he came into power. Its purpose was to promote the timeless work of composers such as Beethoven, Mozart, Brahms, Wagner, among others. The Nazis ensured that every German citizen had a radio.

Youngsters were encouraged by the Nazi government to pursue music as a career in order to preserve the rich ancient German cultural heritage. Jazz, Swing, and sexually provocative music were all banned in Germany during the Hitler era.

[yokel]

Hitler started off well in 1933...

http://www.topinfopost.com/2015/01/05/things-you-were-not-told-about-hitler

( its true, I found it on the internet)


1. Hitler Broke Free from the International Banking Cartels

When Hitler’s period as Chancellor of Germany began, the German people had no work, no money and were starving. A wheelbarrow full of 100 billion-mark banknotes could not buy a loaf of bread at the time, and many Germans were living in shacks after countless homes and farms had been seized by Rothschild/Rockefeller-controlled banks.

In his 1967 book The Magic of Money, Hitler’s Reichsbank President, Dr. Hjalmar Horace Greeley Schacht, let out the big secret:

“The mark’s dramatic devaluation began soon after the Reichsbank was “privatized,” or delivered to private investors.”

In other words, responsible for the post-war hyperinflation was not the German government, but rather the privately owned central bank in Germany, and its monopoly it had over the creation of money. Germany’s economy was crashed and devastated by bankers… that is, until Hitler arrived.

After Hitler was elected, refusing to play ball with the Rockefeller-Rothschild rules, one of the first things he did was fix the corrupt, debt-based financial system. By completely thwarting the international banking cartels, the Nazi government issued its own currency known as Reich Marchs, which were debt free and uncontrollable by international financial interests.

Debt Free Finance = Freedom

If America nationalized their currency as Hitler did for Germany, they would effectively sever all ties with international bankers, the manipulation of their government and economy would cease, and they would live debt-free. Just as Hitler issued debt-free currency for Germany, Abraham Lincoln setup an interest free banking system in the United States when he was President, and he was murdered for it. Former US president Andrew Jackson issued interest-free currency, and two shots were fired at his head in an assassination attempt, but the shots misfired and he survived. John F. Kennedy issued interest-free currency during his presidency and we all know how he met his untimely demise.

After Germany’s public banking system was installed, world Jewry responded by declaring war on Germany, including a global boycott of German goods. Within two years, the German economy was flourishing with its new-found stable, and inflation-free currency.
2. Hitler Created a Thriving Economy with No Unemployment

After setting up a public banking system, Hitler began his reign by constructing new roads, bridges, dams, canals, port facilities, and much needed repair of public and private buildings.

Everything was done with public money that owed no interest to the International “Banksters”. As Hitler said, “For every Mark issued, we required the equivalent of a Mark’s worth of work done, or goods produced.”

Next, the NAZI government encouraged women to be homemakers, and all the work being done to repair and improve the country’s infrastructure and transportation created jobs for men. The unemployment problem had been solved within only two years, and Germany was back on its feet.

It’s often been claimed, that Hitler’s success in reviving his nation’s economy was based largely on government spending for rearmament. This is a myth. As the renowned British historian A. J. P. Taylor noted: “Germany’s economic recovery, which was complete by 1936, did not rest on rearmament; it was caused mainly by lavish expenditure on public works, particularly on motor roads, and this public spending stimulated private spending also, as [British economist John Maynard] Keynes had said it would. …while nearly everyone else in Europe expected a great war, Hitler was the one man who neither expected nor planned for it.”
– A. J. P. Taylor, From Sarajevo to Potsdam (Harcourt Brace Jovanovich, 1975), p. 140.

3. Hitler Emphasized Respect for Women, Children and Strong Family Values

During the economic hardship just before Hitler was elected, Germany was seeing a declining rate of birth. In 1933, hitler passed a law that enabled married couples to obtain interest free loans minimum 1000 Reich Marks (equal to 9 months salary) to set up homes and start families.

For each child birthed, the couple was allowed to keep 250 marks and did not have to repay it. This system pioneered by the Nazi government exists today in Switzerland. In the eyes of Nazis, women were viewed as the preservers of the tribe, the guardians of future generations, and the priestesses of domestic virtue.

Recognizing that families are the primary unit around which a functioning society is built, Hitler emphasized the principle of maintaining a strong bond among family members. Admired for his high regard for mother’s, families were inspired and strengthened under the leadership of Hitler.

Poor families were helped by using financial incentives, and family allowances, marriage loans and child subsidies were provided equally to each and every segment of society.

Family-Values
4. Nazi Preservation of Environment and Animals

Under the Nazi regime, mishandling an animal was considered a heinous crime, and if somebody was discovered mistreating an animal, they were sent to concentration camps. As someone with great admiration for animals, Hitler showed great concern for animals native to Germany, and passed laws that ensured their safety and well-being.

In 1934, Hitler passed a law called Das Reichsjagdgesetz (the Reich Hunting Law), which regulated how many animals could be killed per year, and to establish proper ‘hunting seasons’. This law has now been adopted by most western countries.

Animal conservation was included in Primary, Secondary and College levels, and in 1935, the Reichsnaturschutzgesetz (Reich Nature Protection Act) was passed. which placed several native species on a protection list including the wolf and Eurasian lynx. It is likely that this law saved some native forest-inhabiting species from going extinct.

The Nazi’s were also the first to create environmental protection laws in history. The German Imperial Conservation law of 1935 was passed, which protected “remaining portions of landscape in free nature whose preservation on account of rarity, beauty, distinctiveness or on account of scientific, ethnic, forest, or hunting significance lies in the general interest.”

“[It is] useful to know the laws of nature – for that enables us to obey them. To act otherwise would be to rise in revolt against heaven.”
– Adolf Hitler
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Hitler was a well-known lover of animals.
5. Hitler Banned Experimentation on Animals (Vivisection)

Nazy Germany was the first country in the world to ban vivisection, or any experimentation on live animals. With its great concern for animal conservation, and human treatment, a complete ban of vivisection was enacted in April 1933.

The Prime Minister of Prussia Hermann Goring has said:

“An absolute and permanent ban on vivisection is not only a necessary law to protect animals and to show sympathy with their pain, but it is also a law for humanity itself…. I have therefore announced the immediate prohibition of vivisection and have made the practice a punishable offense in Prussia. Until such time as punishment is pronounced the culprit shall be lodged in a concentration camp.”

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This German cartoon depicts animals that were saved from vivisection saluting Hermann Goring. The sign in the window reads “Vivisection Forbidden”.
6. Hitler Funded Research into “Free Energy” Technologies

Hitler was well aware that in order to truly escape the stronghold of economic manipulation by the international banking cartel he would need to find a way to eliminate Germany’s dependence on oil. An inexhaustible source of energy that was not monopolized by the private money cartels was required for true sovereignty, and this is what Hitler sought.

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This pursuit led Germany to develop what has been called The Nazi Bell, which is described by author Joseph P. Farrell as “a hyper-dimensional physics device being researched under the auspices of the SS departments Entwicklungstelle-IV, Forschung, Entwicklung, und Patente, and SS General Hans Kammler’s super-secret weapons black projects think-tank, the Kammlerstab.“

According to Farrell, “the mission brief of the Entwicklungstelle IV was to develop free energy and to make Germany independent of foreign oil.”

The Nazi Bell was designed, in Farrell’s estimation, for a threefold purpose:

Energy Independence
Advanced Propulsion Technology
A Weapon of Tremendous Power

In his book Babylon’s Banksters, Joseph P. Farrell points to evidence that after the War, the United States made every effort to reconstruct the personnel team that worked on the Nazi Bell, so that they could develop the technology for themselves and restore the balance of power between “Nazi International” and “Anglo-American” elite factions.
7. German Workers Were Well-Treated

With the goal of enhancing the standard of living for all German citizens equally, Adolph Hitler stimulated the spirit of integrity, comradeship and happiness, by funding numerous worker’s welfare programs including:

Highly Subsidized International vacation trips.
134,000 theater and concert events for 32 million people (Between 1933-1938). 2 million people went on cruises, and 11 million went on theater trips.
Every citizen was given a radio.
A 5 day work week for all citizens.
Free Public Health.
Hitler’s government banned Trade Unions, and it was mandatory that all workers had to join the German labor Front trade union. Strikes were banned, and people who refused to work were imprisoned.
Every large factory had to provide rest areas, cafeterias, dressing rooms, even playing fields and swimming pools for its workers.

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During the Third Reich, German workers were better treated than at any time before, or since.
8. Organized Industrial Production & Farming

As opposed to the current American economy, where production is driven by the pursuit of maximum profit, Hitler initiated a policy of self-sufficiency, where the goal was to produce only what is required by Germans. The goal of the Nazi government was to produce for its country everything the German people needed without having to rely on imports to meet the needs of its citizens.

Along with the calculated production of material goods, new policies were introduced so that the aim of farming was to produce what German’s needed, not what was most profitable. The government subsidized the farmers for loss of profit and farmers were given guarantees that all of what was grown would be purchased.
9. Hitler Eliminated Crime and Improved Health of Germans

By giving social misfits and criminals jobs, Adolph Hitler was able to reduce the crime rate in Germany. In his 1976 book The Twelve-Year Reich, author R. Grunberger stated that there were significant drops in the rates of murder, robbery, theft, embezzlement and petty larceny during the Hitler years.
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A canister used for collections during the Winter Relief Fund.

Many foreigners were impressed by the improved outlook and health of Germans, including Sir Arnold Wilson, a British M.P. who visited Germany seven times after Hitler came to power.

“Infant mortality has been greatly reduced and is considerably inferior to that in Great Britain,” wrote Wilson. “Tuberculosis and other diseases have noticeably diminished. The criminal courts have never had so little to do and the prisons have never had so few occupants. It is a pleasure to observe the physical aptitude of the German youth. Even the poorest persons are better clothed than was formerly the case, and their cheerful faces testify to the psychological improvement that has been wrought within them.”

10. No Citizen Will Starve or Freeze

A prime philosophy of Germany at the time was that all citizens should share the same standard of living. With this in mind, Nazi Germany boasted one of the largest public welfare programs in history with the slogan “None shall starve nor freeze”. Every year, high-ranking Nazi’s and citizens would take to the streets to collect charity for the unfortunate, which generated a feeling of comradeship toward those in need.

They even went to the extent of publishing names of those who didn’t give charity in the paper as a punishment or reminder of their neglect. According to Mark Weber of the Institute for Historical Review,

“On one occasion, a civil servant was prosecuted for failure to donate, and his argument that it was voluntary was dismissed on the grounds it was an extreme view of liberty, to neglect all duties not actually prescribed by law, and therefore an abuse of liberty.”

11. The Nazi Anti-Tobacco Mission

Nazi doctors were the first to write a major scientific paper linking smoking to lung cancer. Following this report, smoking was banned in restaurants and public transportation systems. Advertising of smoking and cigarettes was severely regulated by the Nazis, and tobacco tax was raised to deter people from smoking. In what was one of the most expensive and effective anti-tobacco movements in history, numerous German health organizations began educating the public that risks of miscarriage were heightened when pregnant women engaged in smoking.

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Nazi Anti-Tobacco Ad: “He does not devour it, it [the cigarette] devours him!”
In the year 1940, while annual cigarette consumption per capita in America was over 3,000, in Germany it was only 749.

Hitler prohibited the sale of cigarettes to women.
Hitler prohibited smoking for people under the age of 18.
Hitler prohibited smoking for people in uniforms.
Hitler prohibited smoking in public areas.
Hitler was the first to place “warning” photos of cancerous lungs on cigarette boxes.

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12. Nazi’s Created a Culture that Cherished Music

Recognizing the importance weaving music into the fabric of a country rich in culture, Hitler founded the State Music Institute in 1933 after he came into power. Its purpose was to promote the timeless work of composers such as Beethoven, Mozart, Brahms, Wagner, among others. The Nazis ensured that every German citizen had a radio.

Youngsters were encouraged by the Nazi government to pursue music as a career in order to preserve the rich ancient German cultural heritage. Jazz, Swing, and sexually provocative music were all banned in Germany during the Hitler era.

There's two Hitlers, one is the evil gasser of Jews and the other is the real Hitler.



https://youtu.be/E0_BZphQ7Qo

[Katman]

As if we needed 6 more months to work that out ...

Well maybe you should pay a little more attention to what the 'conspiracy theorist' at your work is saying.

[YellowDog]

There's two Hitlers, one is the evil gasser of Jews and the other is the real Hitler.


https://youtu.be/E0_BZphQ7Qo

Yes I am quite a conspiracy theorist myself, but I do not believe that lady is not quite the full shilling.

So, over the years since the war, we have had people involved, being trialled and not denying the slaughter of hundreds of thousands, yet we now have a know nothing aging Pocahontas character, whom is clearly on the fiddle, saying it never happened.

It's just so hard to know whom to believe these days :shit:

[Katman]

So, over the years since the war, we have had people involved, being trialled and not denying the slaughter of hundreds of thousands, yet we now have a know nothing aging Pocahontas character, whom is clearly on the fiddle, saying it never happened.

I don't think she's saying hundreds of thousands didn't die - it's the manner in which they died that a great many are beginning to question.

[pritch]

This is just sooooo Trump. His inauguration cake was an exact copy of Obama's 2013 cake - except that, apart from the bottom few inches where he cut it with a sword, the Trump cake is made of styrofoam. It's inedible.

[pritch]

it's the manner in which they died that a great many are beginning to question.

Nobody with all their fucking marbles!

[Katman]

Nobody with all their fucking marbles!

Many of the people who are raising questions quite possibly have a far greater marble collection than you do.

[oldrider]

I don't think she's saying hundreds of thousands didn't die - it's the manner in which they died that a great many are beginning to question.

"Beginning" to question? - Have "always" questioned! :yes:

The fact that questions are forbidden has gradually increased over the years until in some countries to question has become a crime! - Why? :scratch:

Indisputable fact - the holocaust happened - The how and why have fallen victim to poetic licence for political reasons - WHY? - That's the "biggest" question? :scratch:

[YellowDog]

I don't think she's saying hundreds of thousands didn't die - it's the manner in which they died that a great many are beginning to question.

OK - But the very same answer applies.

The War Crimes Commission hearings, in the Hague, were all public. None of these old guys whom have been held to account for following orders (or die), has ever claimed that there were no gas chambers and all they were doing was de-lousing their dirty Jews. "Look, we even had a hospital, to ensure they were kept in tip-top condition. If we had intended to exterminate them, why would we look after them so well?"

The claims are bollox:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/37/4f/58/374f58b4c0ade37972f4b9becbe9a84d.jpg

[Voltaire]

Anyone questioning the millions murdered by Stalin and Mao or are they not as popular on the Conspiracy Top Ten :rolleyes:

[husaberg]

Anyone questioning the millions murdered by Stalin and Mao or are they not as popular on the Conspiracy Top Ten :rolleyes:

Same as the Cambodian genocide.

[Ocean1]

Anyone questioning the millions murdered by Stalin and Mao or are they not as popular on the Conspiracy Top Ten :rolleyes:

Of course not.

That would be tantamount to admitting that such behaviour is historically almost normal. And by implication, therefore, that the vast majority of the world has never had any tiny part of their lives anywhere near as good as they currently do.

And they'd struggle to find shit to whine about, innit?

[Katman]

The claims are bollox:


Yes, we've all seen the innumerable photos of piles of emaciated corpses - people who died of starvation and disease.

[Woodman]

Anyone questioning the millions murdered by Stalin and Mao or are they not as popular on the Conspiracy Top Ten :rolleyes:

Jews weren't involved. The point of the anti holocaust dorks is jew hating, Nothing more nothing less.

[pritch]

Many of the people who are raising questions quite possibly have a far greater marble collection than you do.

I'd take a lot of convincing. I didn't get my knowedge, such as it is, from reading conspiracy crap or revisionist nonsense. I was reading in the years following the war when the original memoirs were published. Not particularly books by Jewish people, books by British POWs who had seen evidence of what was happening, books by soldiers who were at the liberation of the camps. And yes, books by survivors too.

So seventy odd years down the track we have people writing revisionist rubbish for whatever reason, and gullible idiots who should know better, are believing them.

Just because the words "ARBEIT MACHT FREI" *, , appeared above the gates at Auschwitz, Dachenau, and other camps, that is not proof they were work camps.

By the way it is not six million, the figure is nearer twelve million because Hitler didn't like Russians or Slavs or Gypsies or...

Seriously anybody who believes that silly bitch a few posts back needs to see their Doctor. They're on the wrong medication.


* Literally 'work makes free', usually translated as work will set you free or similar

[oldrider]

General George Patton was there with Eisenhower - voicing his impressions apparently cost him his life: http://www.dailystormer.com/general-pattons-warning-about-the-jews-and-their-treacherous-allies/ :corn:

[Ocean1]

General George Patton was there with Eisenhower - voicing his impressions apparently cost him his life: http://www.dailystormer.com/general-pattons-warning-about-the-jews-and-their-treacherous-allies/ :corn:

Did you even bother to look at the source?

Wiki: "The Daily Stormer takes its name from the Nazi Party's tabloid newspaper Der Stürmer, known in retrospect for its virulently antisemitic caricatures of Jews. Its publisher, Julius Streicher, was executed after the war for crimes against humanity."

[oldrider]

General George S. Patton was assassinated to silence his criticism of allied war leaders claims new book http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/3869117/General-George-S.-Patton-was-assassinated-to-silence-his-criticism-of-allied-war-leaders-claims-new-book.html :corn:

[oldrider]

Did you even bother to look at the source?

Wiki: "The Daily Stormer takes its name from the Nazi Party's tabloid newspaper Der Stürmer, known in retrospect for its virulently antisemitic caricatures of Jews. Its publisher, Julius Streicher, was executed after the war for crimes against humanity."

Yeah I did actually but wasn't interested in them just George Patton! - People have brains and can think for themselves IMHO.

[Ocean1]

Yeah I did actually but wasn't interested in them just George Patton! - People have brains and can think for themselves IMHO.

Then perhaps you should develop an interest in where your "facts" come from.

People with brains who can think for themselves don't drink from poisoned wells, dude.

[oldrider]

Then perhaps you should develop an interest in where your "facts" come from.

People with brains who can think for themselves don't drink from poisoned wells, dude.

And? :mellow:

[pritch]

Did you even bother to look at the source?


"America's most trusted Republican news source"? That bar is not set very high. 'Trusted politician' is an oxymoron.

Trump's speech repeated the words "America first". Innocent enough, but that's a phrase frequently used by white supremacists in the USA. That shouldn't be a surprise though because one of the speech writers is a known white supremacist.

[husaberg]

Did you even bother to look at the source?

Wiki: "The Daily Stormer takes its name from the Nazi Party's tabloid newspaper Der Stürmer, known in retrospect for its virulently antisemitic caricatures of Jews. Its publisher, Julius Streicher, was executed after the war for crimes against humanity."

Its not the first time either Katman or Oldie has been sprung using either the daily stormer, Stormfront or Andrew Anglin as a source of information either

[Ocean1]

And? :mellow:

Are therefore less likely to propagate obvious propaganda.

[oldrider]

Are therefore less likely to propagate obvious propaganda.

Next? :shifty:

[Ocean1]

"America's most trusted Republican news source"? That bar is not set very high. 'Trusted politician' is an oxymoron.

Somewhere between the charity that says that every politician begins with their people's best interest at heart, and the cynicism that says that a trusted politician is one that stays bought is probably safe ground.

[Ocean1]

Its not the first time either Katman or Oldie has been sprung using either the daily stormer, Stormfront or Andrew Anglin as a source of information either

Nothing wrong with that. As long as they're not presented as anything other than particularly nasty self interested lobbyists.

[Katman]

Nothing wrong with that. As long as they're not presented as anything other than particularly nasty self interested lobbyists.

You say that like there's never been a nasty self interested Jewish lobbyist.

[husaberg]

Nothing wrong with that. As long as they're not presented as anything other than particularly nasty self interested lobbyists.

The last time oldie and katman did, it was given as an example of their version of totally unbiased proof that it was actually the jews were behind the Armenian genocide.

[oldrider]

Like cows mooing to one another across the paddocks in the evening - they have found something that they can agree upon! :clap: Didn't you do well! :rolleyes:

[Brian d marge]

"Beginning" to question? - Have "always" questioned! :yes:

The fact that questions are forbidden has gradually increased over the years until in some countries to question has become a crime! - Why? :scratch:

Indisputable fact - the holocaust happened - The how and why have fallen victim to poetic licence for political reasons - WHY? - That's the "biggest" question? :scratch:

Voltaire said something along the lines of to learn who rules over you simply look for who you cannot question.
Having read: Joseph Farrel's books and looked for my self, I too have some questions that need answers
They let the Russians go to Berlin while Patton went straight to Czech republic basically. Looking for the bell project. How's that synthetic rubber factory which employed thousands , but never produced any rubber , as far as I know.
The Americans didn't have nuclear tech near ready, until the Germans gave it to them...
Those crazy Germans were up to no good you know...
And the Jewish and more importantly Catholics were the victims of a very sinister plot ..
Nothing to do with the fake news we are being fed about it
Where in England it's now a crime to question ....,
Btw ...Where did the , off top of head so don't quote me
Where did the 8 trillion in today's money of Nazi money disappear to eh ??? bank of international settlements[emoji8]
Where did it resurface......
Or more importantly who was it lent to , eh Japan ,Germany .....

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[Brian d marge]

Then perhaps you should develop an interest in where your "facts" come from.

People with brains who can think for themselves don't drink from poisoned wells, dude.
Do remember your own advice in 2017

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[YellowDog]

Rather than resist, I bet most of those women would drop their knickers in an instant, for any Billionaire President :lol:

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/women%E2%80%99s-marches-more-than-one-million-protesters-vow-to-resist-president-trump/ar-AAm5C4O?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

[oldrider]

Trumps post inauguration address to the CIA: http://www.npr.org/2017/01/21/510977543/campaign-trail-trump-on-display-as-he-goes-to-cia-on-first-day-as-president

There were obvious signs of weakness showing in that presentation and Trump looked really vulnerable. :shifty:

Maybe they will drive him mad and have him committed to an insane asylum! :wacko: (then watch the rats desert the sinking ship)

That might also be a first for an American President so the novelty of it should appeal rather than shooting etc! :yes:

[husaberg]

Voltaire said something along the lines of to learn who rules over you simply look for who you cannot question.

He also said

“Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.”
As well as

"To the living we owe respect, but to the dead we owe only the truth."
Along with

"The mirror is a worthless invention. The only way to truly see yourself is in the reflection of someone else's eyes."
then again he famously mused

"Fools have a habit of believing that everything written by a famous author is admirable. For my part I read only to please myself and like only what suits my taste."

[Brian d marge]

He also said

As well as

Along with

then again he famously mused
Yes he did
And it still doesn't change what I posted



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[husaberg]

Yes he did
And it still doesn't change what I posted



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Of course it doesn't but the first one is rather apt
as is the last.

[Ocean1]

You say that like there's never been a nasty self interested Jewish lobbyist.

No, I said that like a nasty self interested piece of Nazi propaganda has been presented.

[Brian d marge]

Of course it doesn't but the first one is rather apt
as is the last.
It is
That's why I don't believe what we being fed
If ya want ,,a lot of chopping and a rapin and a pillaging
Moses was the man ....Oh wait ....

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[Katman]

No, I said that like a nasty self interested piece of Nazi propaganda has been presented.

I trust you're just as offended when you're presented with a nasty self interested piece of Jewish propaganda.

[Brian d marge]

I trust you're just as offended when you're presented with a nasty self interested piece of Jewish propaganda.
They do make good movies [emoji194] [emoji194]

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[Ocean1]

I trust you're just as offended when you're presented with a nasty self interested piece of Jewish propaganda.

Of course, to behave otherwise is exactly what distinguishes your contributions from those worth bothering with.

[husaberg]

It is
That's why I don't believe what we being fed
If ya want ,,a lot of chopping and a rapin and a pillaging
Moses was the man ....Oh wait ....

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I think if you want to look for the raping and a pillaging there are thousands of more historically accurate examples.
Like Mongols, Vikings, crusaders, the Spanish, what the Japanese’s did to Nanking, the ming dynasty Khmer Rouge, and many many more

[Voltaire]

Voltaire said something along the lines of to learn who rules over you simply look for who you cannot question.
Having read: Joseph Farrel's books and looked for my self, I too have some questions that need answers
They let the Russians go to Berlin while Patton went straight to Czech republic basically. Looking for the bell project. How's that synthetic rubber factory which employed thousands , but never produced any rubber , as far as I know.
The Americans didn't have nuclear tech near ready, until the Germans gave it to them...
Those crazy Germans were up to no good you know...
And the Jewish and more importantly Catholics were the victims of a very sinister plot ..
Nothing to do with the fake news we are being fed about it
Where in England it's now a crime to question ....,
Btw ...Where did the , off top of head so don't quote me
Where did the 8 trillion in today's money of Nazi money disappear to eh ??? bank of international settlements[emoji8]
Where did it resurface......
Or more importantly who was it lent to , eh Japan ,Germany .....

sent for a divine source

Must be a good bottle of red tonight.
Stalin was fixated with Berlin, much like Adi was with Stalingrad.
The Germans were finished after Jan 1943 and it was only a matter of time, Berlin was of no importance to the West but to the Russian it was.
The Germans may have got the atom bomb earlier but they exported a lot of human capital as they were not German enough.
http://www.atomicheritage.org/article/scientist-refugees-and-manhattan-project
I doubt the Germans had the budget to develop " the bomb", the US spent a fortune on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project

See what primitive RE owning does to people....let it be a warning.

[husaberg]

I doubt the Germans had the budget to develop " the bomb", the US spent a fortune on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project

.

The Bomb was a bargin.
1/3 cheaper than the B29.
The program ultimately cost $3 billion dollars, versus $2 billion for the Manhattan Project.
The nazis spend about 1/2 a billion USD of WW2 money alone of the V1 and V2 program

[Brian d marge]

Must be a good bottle of red tonight.
Stalin was fixated with Berlin, much like Adi was with Stalingrad.
The Germans were finished after Jan 1943 and it was only a matter of time, Berlin was of no importance to the West but to the Russian it was.
The Germans may have got the atom bomb earlier but they exported a lot of human capital as they were not German enough.
http://www.atomicheritage.org/article/scientist-refugees-and-manhattan-project
I doubt the Germans had the budget to develop " the bomb", the US spent a fortune on it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project

See what primitive RE owning does to people....let it be a warning.

No
There was a bigger prize and Berlin ,as u said wasn't important
Let the Russians have it
There are sworn testimonials from a dornier pilot about flying through a " mushroom" cloud late 44 ...off too of head
The Germans didnt have a delivery system capable , and you must ask the questions : why didn't the Germans place any importance on its nuclear activity,. Something better ? Up their sleeve?
They did investigate using the bomb , I think it was called operation New York
And the Americans when from the slow plutonium centrifuge to a faster chemical uranium method , within a few months ( I always get this mixed up so don't quote)
But from about july to when they dropped the bomb in August
They used German technology given to them , the Germans had the money alright , look at how much they spent on the synthetic rubber plant at Auschwitz that produced how much rubber ....? And took how much electricity?
They had the means alright
And the Americans didn't need to use the bomb , Japan was already​ broken and would have collapsed within a year
Owning a Royal Enfield has allowed me to break free of indoctrination I think [emoji204]




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[husaberg]

The Germans didnt have a delivery system capable , and you must ask the questions : why didn't the Germans place any importance on its nuclear activity,. Something

The amerika boimber was capable of delivering a 2 ton larger payload to the east coast of America. than the first US atomic bomb
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1989-039-16A%2C_Schwerer_Bomber_Me_264.jpg

[oldrider]

Owning a Royal Enfield has allowed me to break free of indoctrination I think [emoji204]
sent for a divine source

There was a guy in all the best motorcycle advertisements back in the 1950's - his name was "Lucky Jim" and he owned a "ROYAL ENFIELD"! :first::niceone:

I know because I too was a lucky Jim! :ride:

Images (But no lucky Jim ones) https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=Royal+Enfield+Motorcycle+advertising+1950&biw=1273&bih=878&tbm=isch&imgil=D8yrYBDioy4WYM%253A%253Bhu46WPtD-K--WM%253Bhttps%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.pinterest.com %25252Fpin%25252F550565123170216604%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=D8yrYBDioy4WYM%253A%252Chu46WPtD-K--WM%252C_&usg=__F2e1iwpO8KuoJBW371O3SvmTFbg%3D&ved=0ahUKEwjVrpe9pNXRAhUHuhQKHTm8BpkQyjcIJw&ei=q2aEWJWtPIf0Urn4msgJ#imgrc=D8yrYBDioy4WYM%3A

[Brian d marge]

The amerika boimber was capable of delivering a 2 ton larger payload to the east coast of America. than the first US atomic bomb
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b6/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1989-039-16A%2C_Schwerer_Bomber_Me_264.jpg
It wasn't available in time as far as I know and the range ?
Where the launch from ...?


sent for a divine source

[Voltaire]

Did they build it?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B2VtM_NGv20/VC6O-YNMWRI/AAAAAAABOsM/kofCYdx-zGk/s1600/Ju_390_13.jpg

They built 2 of these apparently, one was flown to with sight of NY on a test run, so a story goes.... They probably dropped the

test Atom bomb too....

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=409

Me thinks too many people watch futuristic WW2 movies where the Germans have very advanced equipment.

[husaberg]

It wasn't available in time

sent for a divine source
Google https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_277 or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerika_Bomber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_264
Messerschmitt Me 264 prototype flew in 23 December 1942.
the B29 protoype flew until 21 September 1942.
Zee Germans problem was their efforts were chaotic, fragmented and had to account for the ever changing whims of their leader.
They spent far too much money chasing super weapons and trying to exterminate a race of people instead of providing shells and ammunition, decent cold weather equipment and fuel for their conventional forces.


Did they build it?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B2VtM_NGv20/VC6O-YNMWRI/AAAAAAABOsM/kofCYdx-zGk/s1600/Ju_390_13.jpg

They built 2 of these apparently, one was flown to with sight of NY on a test run, so a story goes.... They probably dropped the

test Atom bomb too....

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=409

Me thinks too many people watch futuristic WW2 movies where the Germans have very advanced equipment.
They finished one though it flew for 50 minutes only.

[Voltaire]

No
There was a bigger prize and Berlin ,as u said wasn't important
Let the Russians have it
There are sworn testimonials from a dornier pilot about flying through a " mushroom" cloud late 44 ...off too of head
The Germans didnt have a delivery system capable , and you must ask the questions : why didn't the Germans place any importance on its nuclear activity,. Something better ? Up their sleeve?
They did investigate using the bomb , I think it was called operation New York
And the Americans when from the slow plutonium centrifuge to a faster chemical uranium method , within a few months ( I always get this mixed up so don't quote)
But from about july to when they dropped the bomb in August
They used German technology given to them , the Germans had the money alright , look at how much they spent on the synthetic rubber plant at Auschwitz that produced how much rubber ....? And took how much electricity?
They had the means alright
And the Americans didn't need to use the bomb , Japan was already​ broken and would have collapsed within a year
Owning a Royal Enfield has allowed me to break free of indoctrination I think [emoji204]

sent from de wine source


Break free of Dealerships and spare parts.

I've always wondered about the American claim of " Saving Lives" by bombing Hiroshima, surely they could have just stopped and waited for the Japanese to surrender, mind you they were a tad amped up.
Probably more for the Russians benefit.
didn't the Germans have quite a few tanks and planes, just nothing to run them on as the Plotski ( wrong spelling) in Romania had now changed hands?

[Brian d marge]

Did they build it?

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-B2VtM_NGv20/VC6O-YNMWRI/AAAAAAABOsM/kofCYdx-zGk/s1600/Ju_390_13.jpg

They built 2 of these apparently, one was flown to with sight of NY on a test run, so a story goes.... They probably dropped the

test Atom bomb too....

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=409

Me thinks too many people watch futuristic WW2 movies where the Germans have very advanced equipment.
Which highlights my questions
If they had a working prototype and which may have had the capacity
Why didn't they use it ?
Because they may have had a better alternative, which may have been the bigger prize that Britain and America knew about
Give Berlin to the Russians etc


sent for a divine source

[husaberg]

Which highlights my questions
If they had a working prototype and which may have had the capacity
Why didn't they use it ?
Because they may have had a better alternative, which may have been the bigger prize that Britain and America knew about
Give Berlin to the Russians etc


sent for a divine source

beacuse the leader keep changing his orders on what he wanted
Same as he did with the jet program the fighter had to be modified to be a bomber which wasted a year where it could have been desroying bombers over germany.
That ended up destroying the facories that made the jets and the fuel to fuel them.

[Brian d marge]

Google https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_277 or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amerika_Bomber
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messerschmitt_Me_264
Messerschmitt Me 264 prototype flew in 23 December 1942.
the B29 protoype flew until 21 September 1942.
Zee Germans problem was their efforts were chaotic, fragmented and had to account for the ever changing whims of their leader.
They spent far too much money chasing super weapons and trying to exterminate a race of people instead of providing shells and ammunition, decent cold weather equipment and fuel for their conventional forces.


They finished one though it flew for 50 minutes only.
Now I would agree with the chasing of the super weapons , they though a ton of money at strange shyt
And , was it himler and goring went on an Antarctic visit, for what , they hated each other as far as I know
The Americans followed after the war
WTF were they up to ?
I hope we are all wearing our tin hats tonight[emoji12]

sent for a divine source

[Voltaire]

Which highlights my questions
If they had a working prototype and which may have had the capacity
Why didn't they use it ?
Because they may have had a better alternative, which may have been the bigger prize that Britain and America knew about
Give Berlin to the Russians etc


sent for a divine source

I recall reading about the German War Effort years ago when I was interested in things that happened 40 years earlier.

From memory there were many companies competing for favour and you ended up with Porsche who was Hitlers favourite car designer having a go at tanks which were pretty useless ( Elefants, Tiger 2's Maus...probably others) and odd aircraft like Blohm and Voss building planes with cockpit on the wing and so on.
Mk4 panzers stayed in production for all of the war, Tigers and Panthers were just a waste of money really.
Can see this happening when US companies start sucking up to Trumph.

[oldrider]

What might a new world order look like if Donald Trump were to rebuild the US Government? - http://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-intelligence-sometimes-really-big-lies-are-good-when-seen-to-be-lies/5569548 Short read. :corn:

[Voltaire]

Having businessmen in the US Govt is nothing new, Robert McNamera went from designing the steering wheel for the Ford Falcon to running the Vietnam War, that ended well....
( slightly over simplified this...:msn-wink:)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_McNamara

Kennedy may be remembered for " I'm a jelly donut" speech in Berlin and the Cuban Missile crisis but the Cubans did not cosy up with the Russians for no reason.
Bay of Pigs does not get much Kennedy Fan play.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

Difference these days is dis/misinformation is at your fingertips now, back then the Govt could control the flow of it easier.

[Banditbandit]

K but the Cubans did not cosy up with the Russians for no reason.


The Cubans cosied up to Russia because after the revolution Castro and his mates went to Washington ask for help to rebuild Cuba. Washington told them they would not support Castro's Cuba because they were communists ...

Where did the Cubans go? Russia of course ...

The world would be a little different if Washington had given them aid.

[oldrider]

Having businessmen in the US Govt is nothing new, Robert McNamera went from designing the steering wheel for the Ford Falcon to running the Vietnam War, that ended well....
( slightly over simplified this...:msn-wink:)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_McNamara

Kennedy may be remembered for " I'm a jelly donut" speech in Berlin and the Cuban Missile crisis but the Cubans did not cosy up with the Russians for no reason.
Bay of Pigs does not get much Kennedy Fan play.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion

Difference these days is dis/misinformation is at your fingertips now, back then the Govt could control the flow of it easier.

Difference is that most people world wide believed that the USA were the good guys! - Not any more! :no:

Information/disinformation - take your pick - it is now patently obvious that they have been the major shit stirrers in almost every conflict since their inception!

Money - always readily available for war and things of war to which it appears the USA government is besotted and committed. :rolleyes:

Will the Trump Presidency make any useful contribution to change for the better? - Only time will answer that question - don't hold your breath! :wait:

[pritch]

Difference is that most people world wide believed that the USA were the good guys! - Not any more! :no:



No argument from me.

Following publication of photographs which disproved Trumps absurd claim that his inauguration was the biggest ever, the Whitehouse spokesperson, now known as Baghdad Bob, called a "press conference". There were no questions allowed, it was just an angry lying little rant.

Apparently there has been a saying about the position of Whitehouse spokesperson, "You get to tell one lie in your career, use it wisely."

So the chronically thin skinned President sends his spokesman out to tell lies about a trivial matter on Day 1. Incidentally both of Obama's inauguration crowds were bigger, and so too was the demonstration yesterday.

When questioned about this Kellyanne Conway, another Trump mouthpiece, said they weren't lies, they were "alternate facts". This has taken off bigly, yuge even.
Expect to see lots of references to "alt facts".

[yokel]

"And just like that, we all knew what restrooms to use again"


https://youtu.be/bkjqYwg_n2c

[yokel]

No argument from me.

Following publication of photographs which disproved Trumps absurd claim that his inauguration was the biggest ever, the Whitehouse spokesperson, now known as Baghdad Bob, called a "press conference". There were no questions allowed, it was just an angry lying little rant.

Apparently there has been a saying about the position of Whitehouse spokesperson, "You get to tell one lie in your career, use it wisely."

So the chronically thin skinned President sends his spokesman out to tell lies about a trivial matter on Day 1. Incidentally both of Obama's inauguration crowds were bigger, and so too was the demonstration yesterday.

When questioned about this Kellyanne Conway, another Trump mouthpiece, said they weren't lies, they were "alternate facts". This has taken off bigly, yuge even.
Expect to see lots of references to "alt facts".

Why the fuck should Trump tolerate those lying media cunts?

It's funny how now crowd size is now a thing compared to when Hillary and Trump were campaigning.


https://youtu.be/zP7SFxYo4Ro

[Banditbandit]

And now Trump's White House has "alternative facts"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_facts

We are certainly in a 'post-Truth' time ..

[yokel]

And now Trump's White House has "alternative facts"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_facts

We are certainly in a 'post-Truth' time ..

Nope, it's 'post- ignorance' time.

But not for everyone just yet.

[pritch]

Nope, it's 'post- ignorance' time.

But not for everyone just yet.

Well you may be right about that, but doubtless wrong about who that applies to.

Those photos are the wrong way around, the big crowd was Obama's the half empty streets are Trump's. Baghdad Bob explained the gaps by saying the white material placed on the ground to protect the grass made it look empty. Never mind the stuff is on the road too. He said it was the first time it had ever been used. Another lie.

The woman in the video is full of shit too. You watch some awful rubbish. Go and clean your bike or something...

[yokel]

Well you may be right about that, but doubtless wrong about who that applies to.

Those photos are the wrong way around, the big crowd was Obama's the half empty streets are Trump's. Baghdad Bob explained the gaps by saying the white material placed on the ground to protect the grass made it look empty. Never mind the stuff is on the road too. He said it was the first time it had ever been used. Another lie.

The woman in the video is full of shit too. You watch some awful rubbish. Go and clean your bike or something...

Yeah she's as bad as CNN I guess?



https://youtu.be/1-lH6tqN5js

[Banditbandit]

Nope, it's 'post- ignorance' time.

But not for everyone just yet.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/89/1f/9e/891f9ee33524dcff9fdda13d55eb4e41.jpg

[yokel]

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/89/1f/9e/891f9ee33524dcff9fdda13d55eb4e41.jpg

Are you going to sit down Catlyn styles?

[Banditbandit]

Are you going to sit down Catlyn styles?

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder325/250x250/50004325.jpg

[oldrider]

All this negative crap about who has the biggest crowd etc :yawn: (has as much meaning as a KB keyboard pissing contest) :mellow:

I hope I am still around at the conclusion of Trumps presidency - the crowd support then "should" be more meaningful. :shifty:

For what it is worth, my current personal position is neutral but hopeful regarding Trump! :scratch:

Adage: Men shall be remembered for what they achieve rather than what they say! - :shutup:

[husaberg]

And now Trump's White House has "alternative facts"


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_facts

We are certainly in a 'post-Truth' time ..

That was epic they were not wrong or lie about the crowd they just used alternative facts.
The pictures and Neilson data is clearly not a quantitative assessment.

[yokel]

All this negative crap about who has the biggest crowd etc :yawn: (has as much meaning as a KB keyboard pissing contest) :mellow:

I hope I am still around at the conclusion of Trumps presidency - the crowd support then "should" be more meaningful. :shifty:

For what it is worth, my current personal position is neutral but hopeful regarding Trump! :scratch:

Adage: Men shall be remembered for what they achieve rather than what they say! - :shutup:

The election is fucking over, talk of crowd size is retarded petty shit, unless you're one of the mad pussy hatters.


https://youtu.be/unkRuPdfghw

[Voltaire]

Crowd Size tells me the Trumph supporters have better things to do on a Friday that stand around a square in Washington.

I do like this one:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2yiik-UQAAkN_B.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2vLmamVQAEh4i_.jpg

nice bit of product placement.:killingme

[Banditbandit]

The election is fucking over, talk of crowd size is retarded petty shit, unless you're one of the mad pussy hatters.


Errrr .. umm .. 'twas Trump's camp that raised the issue - complaining about the media coverage ..

So - they are the mad pussy haters?

[Banditbandit]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2vLmamVQAEh4i_.jpg

Jeez ... the amount of the world's resources needed to keep that one on the right alive and that size is hardly worth it ..

[TheDemonLord]

Crowd Size tells me the Trumph supporters have better things to do on a Friday that stand around a square in Washington.

I do like this one:

nice bit of product placement.:killingme

Maybe It's part of a Plan to deal with the Obesity problem in the US?

Keep doing things to piss off certain demographics so that they will go on Protest Marches....

[Voltaire]

I think he hoped for something more in line with his status....
http://darkroom-cdn.s3.amazonaws.com/2016/05/north-korea-kim-jong-un-workers-party-congress-05112016-24.jpg

Perhaps he might get one when he leaves..
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/12/28/article-2079237-0F498C3F00000578-210_964x498.jpg

[oldrider]

[QUOTE=Voltaire;1131026074]Crowd Size tells me the Trumph supporters have better things to do on a Friday that stand around a square in Washington.

I do like this one:

Equal rights??? - They both look like they have had more than their share!!! :brick:

[Oakie]

I hope I am still around at the conclusion of Trumps presidency - : Well John, one way or another, I don't really think you'll have to wait four years ...

[pritch]

All this negative crap about who has the biggest crowd etc :yawn: (has as much meaning as a KB keyboard pissing contest) :mellow:



It's actually quite important. Most of us would probably agree all politicians are occasional liars. Trump though lies continually even when there's no particular need to. He seems to know fuck all, he doesn't read, he get's his information from cable TV, so he just makes shit up as he goes along. It is the job of the press to point this out.

Trump is winning so far, while journalists are researching a response to one of his lies, he is busy telling more lies. What he says today may well be (and often is) the opposite of what he said previously.

He is still up to his conman tricks. I was annoyed at the press corps applauding him at his recent press conference. Turns out it wasn't the press corps, he brought a support team of employees with him, and it was them applauding.

Same with the CIA, after the things he said about them, he compared them to Nazi germany, there was applause for his speech. He said they gave him a five minute standing ovation. However long it was, and five minute ovations happen mainly in North Korea where people dare not be the first to stop clapping. Again,the applause was mainly from the support team of lackeys he brought with him.

Like John I hope he can do a good job but there is very little to suggest that he or the cabinet he has selected would be capable of that.

I can't remember the exact words but I loved a sign one woman was holding yesterday. Words to the effect,
"I'd call him a cunt but he has neither the depth nor the warmth."

[pete376403]

The Cubans cosied up to Russia because after the revolution Castro and his mates went to Washington ask for help to rebuild Cuba. Washington told them they would not support Castro's Cuba because they were communists ...

Where did the Cubans go? Russia of course ...

The world would be a little different if Washington had given them aid.
Virtually the same thing happened with Vietnam after WWII - Ho Chi Minh asked the US for supporting Vietnamese independence from France. US said no, Ho Chi Minh went for support from Russia. Didn't end well for the French, and then equally badly for the US. The US' morbid fear of "Communism" has hurt them in so many ways.

[Grumph]

I see Trump's staff is justifying the "alternative facts" (copyright D.Trump) by saying that Obama lied to the American people for years...

What about ? His birth certificate ?

[YellowDog]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C2vLmamVQAEh4i_.jpg

Jeez ... the amount of the world's resources needed to keep that one on the right alive and that size is hardly worth it ..

The fat moose, on the right, doing the 'Coke doesn't make you fat' ad, has arse cheeks both at the front and also at the back.

If they don't get the support they need in numbers, perhaps they can achieve it in Kilos :facepalm:

[yokel]

Yip, Trump is 100% correct, CNN is fake news.


https://youtu.be/VC4NuNaQFB8

[husaberg]

328116328115328117328118328119328120

[oldrider]

husaberg CNN representative on KB

KB Fake news agency - :yes:

[pritch]

The fat moose, on the right, doing the 'Coke doesn't make you fat' ad, has arse cheeks both at the front and also at the back.


She's only one bucket of KFC and an upsized Coke from slowing the earth's rotation.

[husaberg]

KB Fake news agency - :yes:

Refer to first attachment

[oldrider]

Refer to first attachment

I rest my case - husaberg = CNN shill. :rolleyes:

[Paul in NZ]

Look I’m no Trump supporter at all… Not a bit of it but at the end of the day he is the duly elected President of the USA. As such he is due all the deference and respect the position carries.

While I’m appalled at the direction the USA seems headed under his presidency and think some of his choices are slightly insane its not the worst of it. Maybe the biggest danger is the entrenched partisan positions being taken. Its as if Americans now see each other as the biggest enemies they face… Its not a healthy environment at all – they seem more interested in tearing each other to bits rather looking at solutions for fixing whats wrong for everyone in the good ole USA…

If they keep this up the place will rip its self to pieces…

[Ocean1]

Look I’m no Trump supporter at all… Not a bit of it but at the end of the day he is the duly elected President of the USA. As such he is due all the deference and respect the position carries.

While I’m appalled at the direction the USA seems headed under his presidency and think some of his choices are slightly insane its not the worst of it. Maybe the biggest danger is the entrenched partisan positions being taken. Its as if Americans now see each other as the biggest enemies they face… Its not a healthy environment at all – they seem more interested in tearing each other to bits rather looking at solutions for fixing whats wrong for everyone in the good ole USA…

If they keep this up the place will rip its self to pieces…

And this doesn't remind you of recent events here? Like the flag referendum...

[TheDemonLord]

And this doesn't remind you of recent events here? Like the flag referendum...

Not on the same Scale.

Not by a long shot.

[Katman]

The Goyim are more easily controlled when they're fighting among themselves.

[Voltaire]

Look I’m no Trump supporter at all… Not a bit of it but at the end of the day he is the duly elected President of the USA. As such he is due all the deference and respect the position carries.

While I’m appalled at the direction the USA seems headed under his presidency and think some of his choices are slightly insane its not the worst of it. Maybe the biggest danger is the entrenched partisan positions being taken. Its as if Americans now see each other as the biggest enemies they face… Its not a healthy environment at all – they seem more interested in tearing each other to bits rather looking at solutions for fixing whats wrong for everyone in the good ole USA…

If they keep this up the place will rip its self to pieces…

I disagree, he deserves about as much respect as he dishes out. President tweeting..... :laugh::laugh:

[Ocean1]

Not on the same Scale.

Not by a long shot.

Well obviously not, numerically.

But the level and nature of the polarisation is up there. As is the damage.

[Ocean1]

The Goyim are more easily controlled when they're fighting among themselves.

Speak for yourself tinfoil boy.

[Katman]

Speak for yourself tinfoil boy.

Dude, you only need a dollar note waved under your nose to be easily controlled.

[Banditbandit]

I hope I am still around at the conclusion of Trumps presidency :shutup:

I hope we all are too ... right now that's looking like a bit of a long shot ..

[Banditbandit]

Yip, Trump is 100% correct, CNN is fake news.

(cut video)

Do you enjoy being a puppet for Russia?

[Paul in NZ]

Not on the same Scale.

Not by a long shot.

I agree - nothing like the same

[Grumph]

And this doesn't remind you of recent events here? Like the flag referendum...

I've yet to meet an actual Trump supporter face to face. And yes, I do get out a bit...the rabid ones on here don't seem common in the real world.

On the other hand, south of the Bombays, mention Aucklanders....

All we can do is wait and see what the US does. I see one of the executive orders signed today was to the effect that any organisation receiving US aid can not support abortion as funding will be removed. Pense is having an effect already. There'll be trouble if he tries to get that applied within the US.

[TheDemonLord]

Well obviously not, numerically.

But the level and nature of the polarisation is up there. As is the damage.

Disagree - People could talk about different Flag designs or possibilities without frothing at the mouth and throwing an adult version of a Toddler Temper Tantrum.

When the vote was cast and the results made - were there rioters in the Street committing numerous acts of Vandalism?

Did every self-appointed Celebrity who knows they are right go on a march to tell half of the country how much of a bigot/flagist they were?

It's the same ball game for sure - but it's the difference between a Rugbytots game and the ABs vs Australia.

[Woodman]

Dude, you only need a dollar note waved under your nose to be easily controlled.

Are you saying that your customers who supply you the money you use to eat have no control over what you do?

[jasonu]

On the other hand, south of the Bombays, mention Aucklanders....

All we can do is wait and see what the US does. I see one of the executive orders signed today was to the effect that any organisation receiving US aid can not support abortion as funding will be removed. Pense is having an effect already. There'll be trouble if he tries to get that applied within the US.

He's given TPP the boot too.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/us/politics/tpp-trump-trade-nafta.html?_r=0

[Brian d marge]

Also
yeeehaaa hot diggity dogggg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pompeo#Abortion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pompeo#Abortion)

go mikey...

[Banditbandit]

He's given TPP the boot too.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/23/us/politics/tpp-trump-trade-nafta.html?_r=0

I think only John Key and Bill English will be shedding any tears here over that ...

[Banditbandit]

Also
yeeehaaa hot diggity dogggg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pompeo#Abortion (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Pompeo#Abortion)

go mikey...

It's going to be interesting if Pompeo sides with the CIA .. and Trump disagrees ..

[pritch]

Not so much a Trump thing as a Republican thing? The USA and Europe over the years have been having an on again, off again, argument about trade. Now that the Republicans are in power it would seem it's on again. They want access to Europe for American beef. The Europeans don't want beef from the USA because it doesn't meet EU health standards. Apparently the Yanks dose their cattle on hormones among other things, and the Europeans don't want their beef "chemically enhanced".

To apply pressure the USA threatens to apply import duties to European products. Like f'rinstance a 100% duty on motorcycles. It's a bit more complicated than that but that's the general gist. The information I saw wasn't complete but it seems to affect mainly small to mid sized bikes?

The motorcycle press should provide details in due course.

[Paul in NZ]

I've yet to meet an actual Trump supporter face to face. And yes, I do get out a bit...the rabid ones on here don't seem common in the real world.

On the other hand, south of the Bombays, mention Aucklanders....

All we can do is wait and see what the US does. I see one of the executive orders signed today was to the effect that any organisation receiving US aid can not support abortion as funding will be removed. Pense is having an effect already. There'll be trouble if he tries to get that applied within the US.

When you meet them in the flesh they are usually not at all rabid… Initially they seem rather rational... Once you hang around for a bit you notice a few weird things that make you go hmmmm… Before long your mouth is hanging open in wonderment....

We have met a few, usually staunch republicans, racist as fuck (although they hide it brilliantly with impeccable manners) and (apparently) very conservative Christians, anti evolution anti abortion and uptight as all get out... etc etc … Holy crap – one couple we had at home were down right scary and 100% convinced they were right and they alone had the answers… Fark – that was a LONG dinner party I can tell you… Vicki giving me constant eye contact and muttering shut up shut up shut up to me every 5 seconds…. I was gracious to a fault – in fact I think they still pray for me.. (shudder)

Then theres the other sort... Ex military hill billies we took on as contractors... Far out - useless - they just up and left us in the lurch 'cos it was 'hard'....

[husaberg]

I rest my case - husaberg = CNN shill. :rolleyes:

Neither David Yankovich for i work for CNN. so time to drop your case, you are clearly suffering from paranoid delusions again.

right now that's looking like a bit of a long shot ..

If you hsve him in your sights, take the shot

[Katman]

Neither David Yankovich for i work or CNN.

Did you fail their English proficiency test?

[Ocean1]

Dude, you only need a dollar note waved under your nose to be easily controlled.

Well you certainly don't have anything like the wherewithal to influence anything I might do.

It's fuckwits like you who are convinced that everyone else must be "controlled" because they don't agree with you.

Whereas the real reason is simply that you're invariably wrong.

[oldrider]

Neither David Yankovich for i work for CNN. so time to drop your case, you are clearly suffering from paranoid delusions again.

That only changes your status from professional to "enthusiastic amateur" - everything else shill remain the same! :shifty:

[husaberg]

That only changes your status from professional to "enthusiastic amateur" - everything else shill remain the same! :shifty:
Your paranoia seems to be getting the better of you.
Last i heard no one actually asks you to post racist crap on KB.
Seriously grow up, If you don't want your racist crap challenged. Go and post your racist crap on a KKK site or a neo nazi website.
Its not as if half the crap you post doesn't come from there anyway.
If you are that deluded that you can't see that the crap you post is offensive and racist, Why not substitute black or any other ethnicity into your posts and links and see what it looks like.

[oldrider]

Your paranoia seems to be getting the better of you.
Last i heard no one actually asks you to post racist crap on KB.
Seriously grow up, If you don't want your racist crap challenged. Go and post your racist crap on a KKK site or a neo nazi website.
Its not as if half the crap you post doesn't come from there anyway.
If you are that deluded that you can't see that the crap you post is offensive and racist, Why not substitute black or any other ethnicity into your posts and links and see what it looks like.

Typical of your type - you can throw shit but you just can't take it when it comes right back at you! - Shill be right mate hang on in there! :rolleyes:

Fake news is all the fashion currently! - Your in vogue! :blip:

[husaberg]

Typical of your type - you can throw shit but you just can't take it when it comes right back at you! - Shill be right mate hang on in there! :rolleyes:

Fake news is all the fashion currently! - Your in vogue! :blip:

My type aye..............:killingme

PS you're hillarious

[Brian d marge]

Due to being housebound I've had a few minutes to look at trumps to date
Firstly his tax plan is a gift to the rich, those that gave money got it back
Yes the tppa wasn't signed but they got a tax break
Obama care , if Ives got it right then ya if ya earn over 250 000 or something like that ya get a break
His posting of people to the top posts are jobs for the boys, half of them seem to be neocons
So while it looks good actually snake seems to be speaking with files tongue
And the agenda seems to be well on track
Anti media , let's have some fake news laws .. by by free speech
It ain't shaping up to look good

sent for a divine source

[Katman]

And the agenda seems to be well on track

Well those Protocols ain't going to be fulfilled all by themselves.

[Brian d marge]

Well those Protocols ain't going to be fulfilled all by themselves.
Hahahaha. And not by me today, I might knock a few out tomorrow if I get a chance
I hope the fallen one don't mind me skipping a day or so

sent for a divine source

[Voltaire]

My type aye..............:killingme

PS you're hillarious

Katman once called me " one of those people", last time I was called that was when I said fishing is boring.....

[oldrider]

My type aye..............:killingme

PS you're hillarious

Enjoy the trivia that makes your day - "hillarious" pot kettle black! :corn:

[husaberg]

Katman once called me " one of those people", last time I was called that was when I said fishing is boring.....

Human... Shark fishing would be okay.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93WiSq9TIoM

[husaberg]

Enjoy the trivia that makes your day - "hillarious" pot kettle black! :corn:

There you go again.........

[oldrider]

There you go again.........

Man you are so so desperate - oh well whatever smokes your tyres - enjoy your moment! :rofl: you are far too good for me I pass! :sleep:

[husaberg]

Man you are so so desperate - oh well whatever smokes your tyres - enjoy your moment! :rofl: you are far too good for me I pass! :sleep:

Yeah.... smoke your tires and for you to pass. Yet interstingly Like Akzle, you likely don't even have a bike, Yet choose to spend your time on a bike forum soliciting attention by posting racist crap.

[oldrider]

Yeah.... smoke your tires and for you to pass. Yet interstingly Like Akzle, you likely don't even have a bike, Yet choose to spend your time on a bike forum soliciting attention by posting racist crap.

Precious self centred idiot - I even feel sorry for you! :facepalm:

[husaberg]

Precious self centred idiot - I even feel sorry for you! :facepalm:
Yeah just keep telling yourself that you are smart, plus the rest of the world is dumb, someone is bound to believe you..... Just like Yokel aye.
https://journalistsresource.org/studies/society/race-society/smart-people-racism-equality-prejudice

[Katman]

Yeah.... smoke your tires and for you to pass. Yet interstingly Like Akzle, you likely don't even have a bike, Yet choose to spend your time on a bike forum soliciting attention by posting racist crap.

What a thoroughly repugnant cunt you are.

[pritch]

. you likely don't even have a bike,

I can vouch for the fact he had one, because we rode a way together one day.

[jasonu]

Katman once called me " one of those people", last time I was called that was when I said fishing is boring.....

But fishing is boring. It's the catching that's fun!

[oldrider]

I can vouch for the fact he had one, because we rode a way together one day.

Thoroughly enjoyed the day too - but for Nick Smith and pressing family needs we could still be doing more of that today! :ride:

Has anyone ever actually seen husaberg or his imaginary bike? :scratch:

[Katman]

Has anyone ever actually seen husaberg or his imaginary bike? :scratch:

<img src="http://dogknobit.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/square-wheel.jpg"/>

[oldrider]

Typically how the Zionist minority rules the world? :- http://www.globalresearch.ca/pro-israeli-lobby-threatens-british-government-over-illegal-settlement-vote-at-the-un/5570506 Interesting to those who are interested. :corn:

[oldrider]

When I was a kid this sort of stuff was happening in Germany: http://www.globalresearch.ca/violence-the-language-of-a-jewish-state-palestinian-citizens-of-israel/5569563?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles followed by world media outrage!

The victims then rightfully cried - "never again" - but here they are 70 years later doing the same thing in Israel - for posting this husaberg condemns me as a racist!

OK, if that works for him! :innocent:

[Katman]

If you want to talk election interference.......

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[YellowDog]

If you want to talk election interference.......

Just can't be true :no:

American's keep themselves to themselves and would never interfere in the affairs of other countries, particularly those with oil.

The circa. US$600,000,000,000 defence budget is needed to look after the Clinton Foundation and other 'non-interference' stuff :no:

[Virago]

While Trump rages about Clinton's deleted emails - who is keeping track of Trump's deleted tweets?

[husaberg]

Thoroughly enjoyed the day too - but for Nick Smith and pressing family needs we could still be doing more of that today! :ride:

Has anyone ever actually seen husaberg or his imaginary bike? :scratch:
I have posted plenty of pictures of my bikes on KB. Yet you never answered the question.
Do you even have a motorbike?
I have yet to see a post ever mentioning anything about them at all as all you ever seem to post is antisemetic claptrap.

Typically how the Zionist minority rules the world? :- http://www.globalresearch.ca/pro-israeli-lobby-threatens-british-government-over-illegal-settlement-vote-at-the-un/5570506 Interesting to those who are interested. :corn:
Global research is a conspiracy website well known for it antsemetic content

When I was a kid this sort of stuff was happening in Germany: http://www.globalresearch.ca/violence-the-language-of-a-jewish-state-palestinian-citizens-of-israel/5569563?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles followed by world media outrage!

The victims then rightfully cried - "never again" - but here they are 70 years later doing the same thing in Israel - for posting this husaberg condemns me as a racist!

OK, if that works for him! :innocent:

I have never condemed you as being a racist on the basis of one post but of the sum total of all your posts.
Nor is it only me that have called you a racist.
Off the top of my head Bogan, the demon lord, Miss trumph, Oscar and myself and many other have all called you out on blatent repeated racism.
You even admited it yourself once.



Yes - I am racist and I am bigoted !

[Virago]

It's certainly been an entertaining first couple of days of the new Presidency. It also been interesting to catch up with some of the stuff posted here - and nothing much changes.

It's rather amusing to see that the resident Trump shills are rather quiet about some of Trump's emerging policies - his support for the Dakota pipeline, and his support for the current Israeli occupation for example. Where's the criticism? And this is just the beginning - there will be plenty more embarrassing Trump policies to follow.

It's also slightly amusing to see that our resident village idiot (Yokel) is still frantically searching Youtube for nut-job videos to "prove" his latest conspiracies.

It was very interesting to see the White House explode over something as insanely trivial as inauguration audience numbers. You would think that there had been an assassination attempt. Sean Spicer's apoplectic tirade where he presented "alternative facts" was incredible, and a serious indication of future direction. This is a presidency run primarily on ego, and the first casualty is truth.

I've always maintained that one of Trump's first moves would be to attempt personal control of the media. This is only the beginning. Saturday Night Live is back on air in just over a week. It will be immediately targeted - Trump's ego will simply not tolerate anyone lampooning him. I would suspect that SNL has already been warned of "consequences".

Interesting times.

[husaberg]

Saturday Night Live is back on air in just over a week. It will be immediately targeted - Trump's ego will simply not tolerate anyone lampooning him. I would suspect that SNL has already been warned of "consequences".

Interesting times.

One of the SNL writters was fired for a twitter tweet about trumps son already.
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11787480
hes off limits as material which is fair enough hes not even a teenager.
It will have hard enough growing up as trumps son without jokes about himself in the media as well.

[pritch]

I would suspect that SNL has already been warned of "consequences".


One of the SNL actors has been suspended indefinitely for a crack she made about Trump's ten year old son. Fair enough. But the self righteous Republican fuckwits have forgotten the attacks on Chelsea Clinton by Rush Limbaugh.

Trump's adult spawn are fair game. Especially since they will all be sucking at the tax payers tit in as many ways as possible. His appointment of his son in law to a Govt job should be tested in court. His lawyers say it's OK, a judge might see it differently.

[Grumph]

I see there's already talk that the White House is looking for a replacement for Sean Spicer.
Reportedly Trump is not happy with his "argumentative skills"

Who do we know who can stand up in front of a crowd and present "alternative facts" with a straight face ?

[Brian d marge]

I see there's already talk that the White House is looking for a replacement for Sean Spicer.
Reportedly Trump is not happy with his "argumentative skills"

Who do we know who can stand up in front of a crowd and present "alternative facts" with a straight face ?
Me

sent for a divine source

[Grumph]

Me

sent for a divine source

Have you had your day in court yet ? Better save the "alternative facts" for then....

[Brian d marge]

Have you had your day in court yet ? Better save the "alternative facts" for then....
Not yet the lawyer ain't been paid and he won't do jack until he is


sent for a divine source

[husaberg]

Not yet the lawyer ain't been paid and he won't do jack until he is


sent for a divine source

Isn't there some interesting quirky thing to do with the Japanese legal system compared to the western one where you are automatically assumed guilty until proven innocent?
Or is that a myth?

[Virago]

One of the SNL writters was fired for a twitter tweet about trumps son already.


One of the SNL actors has been suspended indefinitely for a crack she made about Trump's ten year old son.

Didn't know about that. Children are definitely off-limits - something the paparazzi have never got their heads around.

[Brian d marge]

Isn't there some interesting quirky thing to do with the Japanese legal system compared to the western one where you are automatically assumed guilty until proven innocent?
Or is that a myth?
Yup
It's just happened in in the middle of it ATM
Bit of a scuffle in the pub , I got pulled
November 13
Spent 2 nights in the nick. Released on bail and as far as the prosecutor is concerned if she can get 100 % conviction she will go for it and I get fined or a stint in the big house
If not I negotiate with the 2 faggot's ( no disrespect to actual gay people)
The lawyer is about 150000 and the I'm sorry money will be any where from 2 to 300 000 plus any medical bills ( insurance doesn't cover getting a boot up the arsenal)
Still that's aint so bad
Wayne Gardner spent 2 or three weeks inside , and me mate did a month..In a big succky one
Mine wasn't so bad
Legal aid is being a CNT so the lawyer hasn't done jack shit


sent for a divine source

[Brian d marge]

Didn't know about that. Children are definitely off-limits - something the paparazzi have never got their heads around.
Nor have most of the house of lords

sent for a divine source

[husaberg]

Yup
It's just happened in in the middle of it ATM
Bit of a scuffle in the pub , I got pulled
November 13
Spent 2 nights in the nick. Released on bail and as far as the prosecutor is concerned if she can get 100 % conviction she will go for it and I get fined or a stint in the big house
If not I negotiate with the 2 faggot's ( no disrespect to actual gay people)
The lawyer is about 150000 and the I'm sorry money will be any where from 2 to 300 000 plus any medical bills ( insurance doesn't cover getting a boot up the arsenal)
Still that's aint so bad
Wayne Gardner spent 2 or three weeks inside , and me mate did a month..In a big succky one
Mine wasn't so bad
Legal aid is being a CNT so the lawyer hasn't done jack shit


sent for a divine source
I just read up a bit on the japanese legal system
They can keep you and question you without charges or access to a lawyer for 23 days in Japan.
They also have a 99% conviction rate.
Shit.........

[Brian d marge]

I just read up a bit on the japanese legal system
They can keep you and question you without charges or access to a lawyer for 23 days in Japan.
They also have a 99% conviction rate.
Shit.........
Yup
U is held in custody.
I was treated OK, but read some of the horror stories
Think of vogons without the poetry and that's the Japanese system.
Basically if the police arrest u , u must be guilty
And it's coming to a town near u

sent for a divine source

[Virago]

Yup
U is held in custody.
I was treated OK, but read some of the horror stories
Think of vogons without the poetry and that's the Japanese system.
Basically if the police arrest u , u must be guilty
And it's coming to a town near u

Was chatting with a distant relative who's currently living in Thailand. Their road carnage is legendary, and foreigners are a legal target even if they did nothing wrong. The police attitude is that if you hadn't been in their country the accident wouldn't have happened, so therefore you're at fault. He reckons that if you tangle with one of the nutters on scooters, you just drive away fast. Stopping will open up a major can of law worms.

[Brian d marge]

Was chatting with a distant relative who's currently living in Thailand. Their road carnage is legendary, and foreigners are a legal target even if they did nothing wrong. The police attitude is that if you hadn't been in their country the accident wouldn't have happened, so therefore you're at fault. He reckons that if you tangle with one of the nutters on scooters, you just drive away fast. Stopping will open up a major can of law worms.
Yes u can't even stop and slap the fukr for being a CNT or that can open and the worms will just keep keeping on

sent for a divine source

[Voltaire]

Here is the reason Yokel has gone quiet :laugh:

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Link to Tweet Generator

http://faketrumptweet.com/

[pritch]

The police attitude is that if you hadn't been in their country the accident wouldn't have happened, so therefore you're at fault.

That is the rule in some Arab countries too. Add the inshallah thing where they don't worry about a red light cause they'll get through the intersection if it's God's will and driving there sounds just too risky.

[YellowDog]

Great News!

Trump has confirmed that the Mexicans will be paying for the wall: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38740717

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[Banditbandit]

Who do we know who can stand up in front of a crowd and present "alternative facts" with a straight face ?


Me

sent for a divine source

Shit - evern Kellyanne Conway had a problem tryignto keep a straight face when she said it ..

Arodn tghe 2 minute mark ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSrEEDQgFc8

[pritch]

I know we aren't supposed to judge women by their appearance. Kellyanne Conway is a lying bitch, but imagine waking up in bed next to her.:sick:

[Grumph]

Great News!

Trump has confirmed that the Mexicans will be paying for the wall:

Someone should sidle up to him and whisper "remember the Alamo..."

Then again, a nice local war where he doesn't have to send troops overseas might do wonders for the unemployment rate....

[Voltaire]

Dutch Government respond to Trumphs " America First"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELD2AwFN9Nc
(rather amusing)

[Katman]

I know we aren't suppised to judge women by their appearance. Kellyanne Conway is a lying bitch, but imagine waking up in bed next to her.:sick:

Really???

I mean.....really?????

(Or did you just decide to throw in some 'locker room banter' to lighten the mood?)

[Stylo]

Really???

I mean.....really?????

(Or did you just decide to throw in some 'locker room banter' to lighten the mood?)

I'm with pritch on that one -

Looking at her makes my blood crawl, that , I'm paid to do this 'smile'

Then she starts to speak ....

Trump; The gift that keeps on giving, the media must think they've struck the jackpot

[Brian d marge]

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Random Mongolian on a mountain...

[Katman]

I'm with pritch on that one -

Looking at her makes my blood crawl, that , I'm paid to do this 'smile'

Then she starts to speak ....

Trump; The gift that keeps on giving, the media must think they've struck the jackpot

It's no different to those fuckwits who constantly slagged Helen Clark off for nothing more than her looks.

[Woodman]

I know we aren't supposed to judge women by their appearance. Kellyanne Conway is a lying bitch, but imagine waking up in bed next to her.:sick:

Yea was thinkin the same thing. Scary shit.

[Stylo]

It's no different to those fuckwits who constantly slagged Helen Clark off for nothing more than her looks.

Her looks ?

Aaah Ok, new one on me, thanks mate.

[Katman]

Her looks ?

Aaah Ok, new one on me, thanks mate.

Really?

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178355-Helen-Clark?highlight=Helen+Clark

[jasonu]

It's no different to those fuckwits who constantly slagged Helen Clark off for nothing more than her looks.

Of course there is the possibility that a few years ago Kellyanne Conway may have been a looker where as Aunty Helen...:sick::sick:

[oldrider]

At the conclusion of Voltaire's posted video clip - there was old Brother Nathaniel with an Anti-Semitic take on Trump's progress to date! - Balance? :corn:

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[Stylo]

Really?

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178355-Helen-Clark?highlight=Helen+Clark

Did I mention her 'looks' ? Good on Helen Clark for resigning btw.

Accomplished nothing that I've heard about and, the world's in no better shape thanks for absolutely nothing Helen ....

Hope you got paid well for it.

[Stylo]

Of course there is the possibility that a few years ago Kellyanne Conway may have been a looker where as Aunty Helen...:sick::sick:

Don't go there mate ..

[Katman]

Did I mention her 'looks' ?

Dude seriously, like a great many others on here, you need to learn to read.

I never said you slagged off her looks - I'm just surprised that you seem unaware that that level of comment exists.

(The fact that you automatically assumed I was including you in the aforementioned 'fuckwits' suggests my comment might just have cut a little close to the bone though).

[Stylo]

Dude seriously, like a great many others on here, you need to learn to read.

I never said you slagged off her looks - I'm just surprised that you seem unaware that that level of comment exists.

(The fact that you automatically assumed I was including you in the aforementioned 'fuckwits' suggests my comment might just have cut a little close to the bone though).

Have a good night Katman ...:-)

[pete376403]

Dutch Government respond to Trumphs " America First"

And they (Dutch) are also proposing funding overseas womens health clinics, now that Trump has signed an executive order banning funding for such places.

Trump will not be amused https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2017/jan/25/netherlands-trump-gag-rule-international-safe-abortion-fund

[Voltaire]

At the conclusion of Voltaire's posted video clip - there was old Brother Nathaniel with an Anti-Semitic take on Trump's progress to date! - Balance? :corn:

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the Dutch one was satire, your one....not so much.( gave it a very long 10 seconds)

[Katman]

the Dutch one was satire, your one....not so much.( gave it a very long 10 seconds)

Wouldn't it be lovely if life was just one big joke.

[Voltaire]

Wouldn't it be lovely if life was just one big joke.

Life might not be, but you sure are :lol:

go off and play with Oldrider in your endless USA/ Israel sandpit .

[oldrider]

go off and play with Oldrider in your endless USA/ Israel sandpit .

True - right again - Israel/USA is endless therefore always topical - "not" compulsory reading but very very interesting! :corn:

"If" you can keep your emotional excesses in check! :blip:

[Woodman]

Wouldn't it be lovely if life was just one big joke.

Its what you make of it.

[Brian d marge]

True - right again - Israel/USA is endless therefore always topical - "not" compulsory reading but very very interesting! :corn:

"If" you can keep your emotional excesses in check! :blip:
Dear Brother Nate makes the mistake of saying of saying "jews" which kinda is a blanket statement and is wot blinkers people , i feel, like another im thinking of he said zionist jews, he would be on the money.
But
Lets think about this , Israel isis ra and the elohim is the fiefdom of our , family we love to hate, the family of the red shields
Now IF you were, in history, a jew, how far up the nobility would you get, not far...me thinks ( I would have to check , bought positions or married into maybe, ) So if you wanted to "rule the world" which gang would you appear to join,,,, you have a couple of choices , the vatican, the hidden or a kabbalistic school , those will get up there!
Bill clinton , jesuit school, sometimes seen with red string on wrist
Boy George yale jesuit through his 322 club
Obama, many jesuits surrounding him but I cant remember off top of head will have look that up later.
Trump... Dr dodgy ..to have gotten anywhere he MUST have had dealing with the mafia, low level thugs , and jewish property people.
But which gang of thugs has the most power in washington at the moment, the Nazis ( cia ) , the Jesuits, or the jewish quarter.
Concidering the power in rome is jesuit, and the red shield looks after the finances of rome .....
And "the donald" has his nose so far up israels arse ...which group of thugs has bought "the donald"
Just me thinking out loud thats all...

sent for a divine source

[oldrider]

Trump invested such a tremendous amount of emotional capital and promise into his AIPAC address! - does beg the question of WHY? :scratch:

His campaign lead is supposed to be "America first" but then he clearly puts Israel first! - Check it out for your self! - just sayin that's the way I saw it! :rolleyes:

[Brian d marge]

Trump invested such a tremendous amount of emotional capital and promise into his AIPAC address! - does beg the question of WHY? :scratch:

His campaign lead is supposed to be "America first" but then he clearly puts Israel first! - Check it out for your self! - just sayin that's the way I saw it! :rolleyes:
Dowry

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[YellowDog]

Mexican President Enrique Pena Nieto has cancelled next week's trip to Washington to meet US President Donald Trump.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38760671

[Grumph]

In the same vein, it's being reported that the whole top layer of staff in the State department have resigned rather than work in the Trump era of foreign relations.
The "alternative facts" will probably state they were fired for incompetence...

[jasonu]

In the same vein, it's being reported that the whole top layer of staff in the State department have resigned rather than work in the Trump era of foreign relations.
...

Where did you see that?

[YellowDog]

In the same vein, it's being reported that the whole top layer of staff in the State department have resigned rather than work in the Trump era of foreign relations.
The "alternative facts" will probably state they were fired for incompetence...

Either way, Trump gets to put his own TRUMPITES in there. They seem to be making it too easy for him :yes:

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[oldrider]

Either way, Trump gets to put his own TRUMPITES in there. They seem to be making it too easy for him :yes:

That man deserves a medal - delivering buckets full of common sense while under fire from the crazy maddened mob! - Absolutely brilliant IMHO. :corn:

Edit: Actually he never claimed to be a Trump supporter - he was clearly supporting democracy and explaining what happened and how Trump was elected!

[jasonu]

Either way, Trump gets to put his own TRUMPITES in there. They seem to be making it too easy for him :yes:


I'd vote for that cunt!!!!!

[Grumph]

Where did you see that?

I'm repeating hearsay from a US based bike forum. The first poster didn't put up a link but the first responder had obviously seen it too. No one has yet repudiated it.
That forum has divided into the rabid Trump supporters and the moderates....It's almost always well in advance of any news we see here in NZ as both sides are continually trying to score off the other. And the Canadians scoring off both...
It can be amusing at times - but shit I wouldn't like to meet some of them. They make yokel seem almost civilised - and invariably they're armed....

[Voltaire]

I saw it in the Independent this morning.
I like the Robert Fisk articles on the Middle East Religion/war go round.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-state-department-senior-management-team-quit-resign-rex-tillerson-secretary-donald-trump-cabinet-a7547916.html

[pritch]

Where did you see that?

Try and keep up, that was widely reported.

As was the Whitehouse proposal to fund the wall by imposing a 20% tax on goods imported from Mexico. In what world does a US import tax on Mexican goods penalise anybody except people in the USA who buy Mexican goods? Goods like cars, guitars, Tacate and Jose Cuervo? And less importantly of course, avacados?

[husaberg]

Where did you see that?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/trumps-presidency-turmoil-after-entire-9699915
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/01/state-department-resignations/514550/

In the same vein, it's being reported that the whole top layer of staff in the State department have resigned rather than work in the Trump era of foreign relations.
The "alternative facts" will probably state they were fired for incompetence...

As you predicted alternative facts "Trump style"

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-26/entire-senior-management-team-state-department-just-resigned

[Grumph]

Whether they were fired or resigned is pretty much irrelevant. Previous administrations have kept existing staff on for at least a transition period. It is after all useful to at least know where they keep the biscuits for smoko....And just where you have embassies.
The Trump team (oxymoron ?) seems to want to distance themselves from any previous working arrangements, whether with other governments or the UN..

I see they're looking to audit their contributions to the UN and aid organisations to see if they meet their criteria. The criteria being as expected, anti muslim and anti abortion.
Not a problem, Russia or China will step up and fill the vacancies....

[oldrider]

Whether they were fired or resigned is pretty much irrelevant. Previous administrations have kept existing staff on for at least a transition period. It is after all useful to at least know where they keep the biscuits for smoko....And just where you have embassies.
The Trump team (oxymoron ?) seems to want to distance themselves from any previous working arrangements, whether with other governments or the UN..

I see they're looking to audit their contributions to the UN and aid organisations to see if they meet their criteria. The criteria being as expected, anti muslim and anti abortion.
Not a problem, Russia or China will step up and fill the vacancies....

What you are evaluating here is what's known as a "paradigm shift" where everything relatively stays the same but completely changes!

Compare it to when you try cleaning out your garage by shuffling everything around and around but essentially it is the same - finally you bite the bullet and take everything to the dump and get rid of it and start again!

Essentially you have drained the swamp and created a new situation out of the old.

Hence the phrase: When you are up to your arse in alligators (resistance) it is hard to remember the original intention was to drain the swamp!

I.E. get rid of the alligators!

What we are observing is the departure of the alligators!

Obviously there are many and they are creating a lot of noise - generally an indication that the process was way over due! :blip:

[Voltaire]

Hasn't Bebe phoned him yet to explain that GS runs the US?
https://pics.onsizzle.com/i-know-donald-trump-his-support-for-israel-is-clear-8874169.png

[pritch]

What we are observing is the departure of the alligators!



Can't agree with that. The guys who are out are civil servants who have been working under both Democrat and Republican presidents. They aren't the problem.
The problem is the corrupt politicians, basically all of them, and the lobbyists.

The guys who have left the foreign service are pretty much all the guys who know how to run the place. So far Trump's transition team give the impression they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

Trump is now going to spend millions tracking down his imaginary three million illegal votes. One of the things he has repeatedly stated needs investigating is people being registered to vote in more than one state. People like his daughter, like her husband, like his Press Secretary, and one other member of his cabinet, the Secretary of State? Anyhoo at least four members of his team are registered to vote in more than one state, He'd better get on to that, as if it actually mattered. Which, unless they actually voted in more than one state, it doesn't.

Chump seems to have become president without a clue how government works. Fuck knows when he works, he watches Fox News all bloody night. And even worse, he believes it.

[oldrider]

Can't agree with that. The guys who are out are civil servants who have been working under both Democrat and Republican presidents. They aren't the problem. (some definitely are!)
The problem is the corrupt politicians, basically all of them, and the lobbyists. (true!)


The guys who have left the foreign service are pretty much all the guys who know how to run the place. (but for whom? - debatable point!)

So far Trump's transition team give the impression they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

Trump is now going to spend millions tracking down his imaginary three million illegal votes. One of the things he has repeatedly stated needs investigating is people being registered to vote in more than one state. People like his daughter, like her husband, like his Press Secretary, and one other member of his cabinet, the Secretary of State? Anyhoo at least four members of his team are registered to vote in more than one state, He'd better get on to that, as if it actually mattered. Which, unless they actually voted in more than one state, it doesn't.

Chump seems to have become president without a clue how government works. Fuck knows when he works, he watches Fox News all bloody night. And even worse, he believes it.

I wasn't defending Trump - I was trying to explain a paradigm shift - there are always casualties - time heals :wait: eventually the new way becomes the norm!

Meaning - Paradigm shift: "a time when the usual and accepted way of doing or thinking about something changes completely."

The most important ingredient is integrity sometimes that is missing all together! :argh: just won't work! :oi-grr:

[Grumph]

This isn't a paradigm shift - it's an ongoing fuckup. The reason international affairs have been run as they have for centuries now is because that way works - at least most of the time.

The US ambassador to the UN is reported as saying to US ALLIES, "We're watching to see who doesn't support us - and we're taking names"

That to your allies....Keep it up and you won't have many. Isolationist America is fast becoming a fact.

[jasonu]

Can't agree with that. The guys who are out are civil servants who have been working under both Democrat and Republican presidents. They aren't the problem.
The problem is the corrupt politicians, basically all of them, and the lobbyists.

The guys who have left the foreign service are pretty much all the guys who know how to run the place. So far Trump's transition team give the impression they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

Trump is now going to spend millions tracking down his imaginary three million illegal votes. One of the things he has repeatedly stated needs investigating is people being registered to vote in more than one state. People like his daughter, like her husband, like his Press Secretary, and one other member of his cabinet, the Secretary of State? Anyhoo at least four members of his team are registered to vote in more than one state, He'd better get on to that, as if it actually mattered. Which, unless they actually voted in more than one state, it doesn't.

Chump seems to have become president without a clue how government works. Fuck knows when he works, he watches Fox News all bloody night. And even worse, he believes it.

You could easily get a job presenting for MSNBC...

[Stylo]

Can't agree with that. The guys who are out are civil servants who have been working under both Democrat and Republican presidents. They aren't the problem.
The problem is the corrupt politicians, basically all of them, and the lobbyists.

The guys who have left the foreign service are pretty much all the guys who know how to run the place. So far Trump's transition team give the impression they couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery.

Trump is now going to spend millions tracking down his imaginary three million illegal votes. One of the things he has repeatedly stated needs investigating is people being registered to vote in more than one state. People like his daughter, like her husband, like his Press Secretary, and one other member of his cabinet, the Secretary of State? Anyhoo at least four members of his team are registered to vote in more than one state, He'd better get on to that, as if it actually mattered. Which, unless they actually voted in more than one state, it doesn't.

Chump seems to have become president without a clue how government works. Fuck knows when he works, he watches Fox News all bloody night. And even worse, he believes it.

Agree, and how long this psychopath remains in power is anyone's guess. He's good entertainment though, as before, 'the gift that keeps on giving'

How his senior members, Ryan, Spicer, Conway etc ,can front up and toe the line as they're told too can sleep at night leaves me wondering. Remember, every fact you hear from Trump is either fact or, an alternative fact.

At least Trump is consistent in another aspect too, he has the same IQ as most of his supporters , as is evident reading this thread....... magic

[jim.cox]

He's good entertainment though, as before, 'the gift that keeps on giving'


Indeed

and the word 'Gift' means 'Poison' in German....

[Woodman]

I think trump is a moron, but has America improved with the last 4-5-6 presidents basically doing the same shit? and will America improve if trump does the same shit again, its the definition of insanity.

He'll either fuck it or fix it, but either way it is entertaining.