The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[austingtir]

This seems to be real.....

Rep lets out the biggest fart on a live stream of all time!!!

And yes of course it was a democrat....



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=16&v=K3_Ut4Tn1vk&feature=emb_logo


https://i.4cdn.org/pol/1574128502079.png

[sugilite]

And when this report gets released it will be a small wet fart :laugh:
https://www.politico.com/amp/news/2019/11/18/graham-announces-hearing-inspector-general-071401

[sugilite]

Thank goodness these true patriot whistle blowers are here to shine a light on the Trump administration sewer. Bi partisan investigation this time too :yes:

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/two-senators-from-both-parties-recently-widened-inquiry-into-irs-whistleblower/

[husaberg]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0d/c6/d9/0dc6d92a15503dfd925d96dff1f1ac64.jpg

[austingtir]

Thank goodness these true patriot whistle blowers are here to shine a light on the Trump administration sewer. Bi partisan investigation this time too :yes:

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/two-senators-from-both-parties-recently-widened-inquiry-into-irs-whistleblower/



All the dems have left in their playbook:

Lets just shoot off fake whistleblower claims (by deepstate CIA assets) until the election. "That will get Drumpf".



I can just see all these clowns including the two above high fiving and going "we got him this time".




:yawn:

[pritch]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0d/c6/d9/0dc6d92a15503dfd925d96dff1f1ac64.jpg

FOX is largely responsible for the massive ignorance of a large part of the US population and the resulting increasingly extreme divergence of political views within the country and within families.

Following a recent report about a meeting of judges during which an argument started and two of the judges were shot dead, the thought occurs that the Thanksgiving holiday might be marred by violence. Families are split by their political views to the extent that some people no longer acknowledge those family members holding opposing views. Some are attending events with friends rather than family. It might be safer that way.

[TheDemonLord]

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I completely agree, So many people think Socialism and Communism is Cool these days because they haven't had a proper Education....

[oldrider]

I completely agree, So many people think Socialism and Communism is Cool these days because they haven't had a proper Education....

Au contraire - more likely "because" they had a (so called) proper education. - :whistle:

[TheDemonLord]

Au contraire - more likely "because" they had a (so called) proper education. - :whistle:

Well spotted...

Good times to be had with the use (and Abuse) of the word 'proper'

[Viking01]

Well spotted...

Good times to be had with the use (and Abuse) of the word 'proper'

I thought that my past education was quite satisfactory, and I've
tried to improve it ever since leaving school.

But now I'm having doubts. Maybe even socialist thoughts. Perhaps
you could help me ?

This "socialism" thing you talk about ? I'm Ok with understanding
the formal definition:

"a political and economic theory of social organization which
advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange
should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole".

But in this current world of black and white, is there still any
room for shades of grey ?

It's just that I know a few Social Democrats back in Scandinavia.
I might even have some in my extended family (for all I know).

And I had a few lingering questions:

Are they suspect ? Should I continue to associate with them ? Will
the GCSB come and have a wee talk with me in the future ?

Should I poke fun at their health, education and welfare systems ?

Should I poke fun at their banking and financial systems, and their
levels of state debt ?

Should I tell them that their country should aspire more to emulate
the political and social situation in other western countries, like (say)
the US ? or the UK ? or France ?

Should I tell them that their government should buy more arms, pay
more to NATO, and send more troops to go fight overseas in regional
wars initiated by the US ? Oh, and maintain sanctions on Russia and
China - sorry, I almost forgot.


Hopefully the Social Democrats are still OK.

And it's only the true Socialists and Communists that I have to be
concerned about.

[oldrider]

I thought that my past education was quite satisfactory, and I've
tried to improve it ever since leaving school.

But now I'm having doubts. Maybe even socialist thoughts. Perhaps
you could help me ?

If you have had a "proper" government approved education you are "NOT" supposed to have any thoughts "other" than those that support the "left or right" options! - :whistle:

[TheDemonLord]

I thought that my past education was quite satisfactory, and I've
tried to improve it ever since leaving school.

But now I'm having doubts. Maybe even socialist thoughts. Perhaps
you could help me ?

This "socialism" thing you talk about ? I'm Ok with understanding
the formal definition:

"a political and economic theory of social organization which
advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange
should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole".

But in this current world of black and white, is there still any
room for shades of grey ?

It's just that I know a few Social Democrats back in Scandinavia.
I might even have some in my extended family (for all I know).

And I had a few lingering questions:

Are they suspect ? Should I continue to associate with them ? Will
the GCSB come and have a wee talk with me in the future ?

Should I poke fun at their health, education and welfare systems ?

Should I poke fun at their banking and financial systems, and their
levels of state debt ?

Should I tell them that their country should aspire more to emulate
the political and social situation in other western countries, like (say)
the US ? or the UK ? or France ?

Should I tell them that their government should buy more arms, pay
more to NATO, and send more troops to go fight overseas in regional
wars initiated by the US ? Oh, and maintain sanctions on Russia and
China - sorry, I almost forgot.


Hopefully the Social Democrats are still OK.

And it's only the true Socialists and Communists that I have to be
concerned about.

To answer your questions first and foremost is to draw a clear distinction between Socialism and Social Democracy. There is a lot of very disingenuous argument that conflates the two.

A Social Democracy is like NZ, the UK, Scandinavia etc. Namely that it is a Capitalist Economy, but the Government does provide some services. In recent times the term has been hijacked by people who want to attach the positives of successful Social Democracies to the Label of Socialism, in order to hide the abyssmal failure of such.

I should note that there are moves to change the definition of Social Democracy to be more aligned with Socialism (which it isn't).

Socialism is a stepping point on the road to Communism. Whereas a Social Democracy exists within a Capitalist Economy.

In typical parlance however, a Social Democracy is used to describe a society that has a primarily Capitalist Economy, with a high amount of Taxation and a large number of Government Programs (AKA Scandinavian Model) to demarc it from setups like the UK and NZ (whereby the difference is the degree of taxation and Social programs as opposed to their existence).

Such a model is fine, so long as the Economy is doing well and people are paying into the system. Things like the NHS (for example) work great when supported and supporting a majority of tax-paying individuals.

Things like Socialised Health Care, Education etc. I hold as a Public Good and so should be supplied free at the point of service by the Government (as well as allowing privatised alternatives to exist) but it requires the populace to buy-in, both on a fiscal level buy also a societal level, that such services are there to be used, not abused.

Currently the NHS in the UK is having issues and one of the factors seems to be large numbers of net-migration since the Blair Government - whereby people who haven't paid into the system are able to use the system.

When you say Socialist thoughts - it depends what you mean - are you talking about Nationalizing an Industry? Nationalizing ALL industry? Greater Government control? Planned Economies etc? It's not Socialist to want a working Welfare system - I don't want people who find themselves in bad circumstances unable to get back to being productive, contributing members of Society, I also don't want people to be able to abuse the system as a means to not be productive and contributing.

[oldrider]

Any of the proposed political systems will work effectively and efficiently (or not) depending upon the ability of the elected politicians and the will of the electorate.

Where they fall down is mainly due to the availability (or not) of a balanced financial system that allows their works to be accomplished.

The current social debt system is not one of those and that is the crux of the matter I.E. the root cause of almost every governments failure today.

Private monopoly ownership of the world central banking system is dependant upon secrecy, war, boom and bust for it's own survival let alone survival of any government activity. - :mellow:

[Berries]

I thought that my past education was quite satisfactory, and I've
tried to improve it ever since leaving school.

Hmmm. I have spotted a problem as you write every post like a poem with a limit to the number of words per line.

There's no need now we have got rid of slates.

[Viking01]

Hmmm. I have spotted a problem as you write every post like a poem with a limit to the number of words per line.

There's no need now we have got rid of slates.

Well, some of us have. I'll try and remember that, and turn my slate into landscape instead of portrait in future.

[Viking01]

To answer your questions first and foremost is to draw a clear distinction between Socialism and Social Democracy. There is a lot of very disingenuous argument that conflates the two.

A Social Democracy is like NZ, the UK, Scandinavia etc. Namely that it is a Capitalist Economy, but the Government does provide some services. In recent times the term has been hijacked by people who want to attach the positives of successful Social Democracies to the Label of Socialism, in order to hide the abyssmal failure of such.

I should note that there are moves to change the definition of Social Democracy to be more aligned with Socialism (which it isn't).

Socialism is a stepping point on the road to Communism. Whereas a Social Democracy exists within a Capitalist Economy.

In typical parlance however, a Social Democracy is used to describe a society that has a primarily Capitalist Economy, with a high amount of Taxation and a large number of Government Programs (AKA Scandinavian Model) to demarc it from setups like the UK and NZ (whereby the difference is the degree of taxation and Social programs as opposed to their existence).

Such a model is fine, so long as the Economy is doing well and people are paying into the system. Things like the NHS (for example) work great when supported and supporting a majority of tax-paying individuals.

Things like Socialised Health Care, Education etc. I hold as a Public Good and so should be supplied free at the point of service by the Government (as well as allowing privatised alternatives to exist) but it requires the populace to buy-in, both on a fiscal level buy also a societal level, that such services are there to be used, not abused.

Currently the NHS in the UK is having issues and one of the factors seems to be large numbers of net-migration since the Blair Government - whereby people who haven't paid into the system are able to use the system.

When you say Socialist thoughts - it depends what you mean - are you talking about Nationalizing an Industry? Nationalizing ALL industry? Greater Government control? Planned Economies etc? It's not Socialist to want a working Welfare system - I don't want people who find themselves in bad circumstances unable to get back to being productive, contributing members of Society, I also don't want people to be able to abuse the system as a means to not be productive and contributing.


Good reply, and makes the important distinctions. Thanks.

In respect to your earlier answer, I'd be interested to hear further:

- Which specific countries you saw as having tried to "assign benefits of a social democracy to a socialist country in order to (as you
said) hide the abysmal failure of such".

- NHS model: I take your point re "excess demand over contribution", though I'm not so sure the problems of the UK NHS are primarily
due to increased number of immigrants:

https://www.france24.com/en/20191119-uk-united-kingdom-health-nhs-general-election-boris-johnson-tory-conservative-labour-jeremy-corbyn-brexit

- Whether you think social democracies should put more emphasis on military spending, as opposed to their own internal infrastructural
investment and social spending.

[TheDemonLord]

Good reply, and makes the important distinctions. Thanks.

In respect to your earlier answer, I'd be interested to hear further:

- Which specific countries you saw as having tried to "assign benefits of a social democracy to a socialist country in order to (as you
said) hide the abysmal failure of such".

Not specific Countries - more like Socialist/Communist Activists love to cite Scandinavian countries as an example of how Socialism 'can work' whilst omitting that both are Capitalist systems.Typically Norway, Sweden, Denmark get referenced.

So in a hypothetical Discussion where you might say 'Socialism can't work' - they'll go 'what about Norway, They are pretty much a Socialist country, see SOCIAL democracy' and then point to various government programs as proof, ignoring the fact that it's underpinned by a Capitalist Economy. Doubly fun when you bring up somewhere like Venezuala...

There's other factors as well at play in those countries - such as a strong national identity and culture which help ensure that Government services are properly used. This does seem to correlate strongly with compulsory national Service in those countries - whereby Citizens have a level of respect for Government property/services that I don't see in other countries.

I'd perhaps even go so far as to say that the Nordic weather plays a large roll in keeping communities strong by forcing a degree of isolation, this in turn makes the populace much more attuned to a high degree of Social awareness.


- NHS model: I take your point re "excess demand over contribution", though I'm not so sure the problems of the UK NHS are primarily
due to increased number of immigrants:

https://www.france24.com/en/20191119-uk-united-kingdom-health-nhs-general-election-boris-johnson-tory-conservative-labour-jeremy-corbyn-brexit

There's other factors as well - such as an Aging Population that lives longer, an ever growing list of mental and developmental disorders that fall under the rubric of the NHS, however perhaps the most convincing data point is one that shows the average spend increases per-year for the NHS, there's a steady increase up until around 1998 when the Blair government came into power and heralded the start of the so-called 'mass migration' to the UK


- Whether you think social democracies should put more emphasis on military spending, as opposed to their own internal infrastructural
investment and social spending.

Woah, that's a tough question, since there are so many possible answers - again with the Nordic countries, many of them are armed to the teeth (metaphorically) but have had a long tradition of non-interference - with their Armed forces and Military doctrine geared towards defence of their shoreline and in the event of a Russian invasion, engaging in a delaying action - heavy ambushes with quick retreats.

However there are things to consider such as what Role one should take in the international arena - there's many occasions where Evil has been allowed to flourish thanks to military inaction.

I guess the ultimate answer it is a Balancing game, where the ground constantly changes. Sometimes you need to invest in the Military to replace aging equipment, sometimes you need to invest elsehwere.

[oldrider]

Glenn Beck Presents: The Democrats’ Hydra -------------------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si-vMj-FB88


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[pritch]

The impeachment inquiry is interesting. At the onset a law professor commented the Trump was clearly guilty and there could be no logical defence. So the Republicans kept banging on about the whistle blower although he or she was long since irrelevant.

Then it was “It’s all hearsay”. Yesterday three witnesses testified who had actually been listening to the call. So much for the “hearsay” defence.

The next desperate attempt was “There is no quid pro quo”. Today Sondland testifies there was indeed a quid pro quo. So there was bribery which according to the Constitutioni is grounds for removal of a predident.

Today would be a good day for some Republicans to discover their spine.

[austingtir]

Glenn Beck Presents: The Democrats’ Hydra -------------------------- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=si-vMj-FB88




The problem for beck is alot of people wont forgive him for his anti Trumper narratives from a few years back so even outright Trumpers are very dismissive of him when he's actually BANG on the money here.


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[austingtir]

Ukraine MPs Demand Trump and Zelensky Investigate U.S.-Ukraine Corruption Involving $7.4 bln

Q
!!mG7VJxZNCI
20 Nov 2019 - 12:24:02 PM
https://en.interfax.com.ua/news/press-conference/625831.html��
What happens when the PUBLIC discovers the TRUTH [magnitude] re: [D] party corruption?
What happens when the PUBLIC discovers the TRUTH re: [FAKE NEWS] coordination w: [D] party to conceal, shelter, and protect those criminally responsible?
Define 'Projection'.
THE GREAT AWAKENING
SHEEP NO MORE
WWG1WGA!!!
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[austingtir]

Today would be a good day for some Republicans to discover their spine.

Today would be a good day for the TDS fanatics like you to STFU!!

Your wrong CNN is wrong and Shit is wrong.



https://youtu.be/mtA2yrY_hE8

[oldrider]

Look over there while we do this? - :msn-wink: - How did they do that? - :scratch: - Magic? - https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1197002132077121537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - :confused: - MAGIC? - :done:

[austingtir]

Look over there while we do this? - :msn-wink: - How did they do that? - :scratch: - Magic? - https://twitter.com/RT_com/status/1197002132077121537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - :confused: - MAGIC? - :done:


Trump needs to start doing shit not just playing defence. The US public can now see all this stuff going on is a clown show and is complete bullshit to cover all the utter treason and corruption the dems (mainly) have been upto.


Even politico which is a ragging left wing outlet is reporting a shift of 10% against the impeachment rubbish.


And back to Sondland... Most people dont realize this guy is like Trump (but more easily bought by the deepstate). This guy has thousands of employees in his hotel chain.... He's rich as fuck and way more corrupt.

https://provenancehotels.com/

[austingtir]

https://www.bitchute.com/video/cx8PQUrP-T8/

[oldrider]

US Relations With China Were Just Destroyed, And Nothing Will Ever Be The Same Again:- :sleep: - (MAGIC?) - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-relations-china-were-just-destroyed-and-nothing-will-ever-be-same-again - :whocares: - magic?

[austingtir]

US Relations With China Were Just Destroyed, And Nothing Will Ever Be The Same Again:- :sleep: - (MAGIC?) - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-relations-china-were-just-destroyed-and-nothing-will-ever-be-same-again - :whocares: - magic?


Good!!


And Double Good because this silly forum wont let me leave a response that short....



If China wasnts to be the world hedgemonic superpower they are going to have to TAKE IT!!

[austingtir]

This is the state of the dems atm except a massive dumpster fire instead of that house.

https://i.imgur.com/p709V1N.png

[sugilite]

And back to Sondland... Most people dont realize this guy is like Trump (but more easily bought by the deepstate). This guy has thousands of employees in his hotel chain.... He's rich as fuck and way more corrupt.


So Austin, why does Trump team up with so many corrupt people? - just look at how many of his 2016 campaign team are in jail :laugh:

[pritch]

Ken Starr, the Special Investigator who hounded Bill Clinton from Whitewater down the rabbit hole to Monica Lewinsky, now says a top level delegation of Republicans should visit the White House demanding Trump resign.

It'll take more than one Republican, but they'll need to be quick because as of this morning Pence is implicated as well. Also Pompeo and Giuliani.

Trump's secret health scare hasn't gone away either, he's now travelling with his doctor.

[Laava]

I don't normally enjoy watching a trainwreck but this one is in such slow motion it can be quite captivating! Esp amusing is how the faithful still have complete support for POOTUS and then condemn everyone else around him as absolutely corrupt, both democrat and ( those who do not follow trumps script) republican. Did anybody take austingit up on his childish ban bet?😀

[mashman]

Not sure if this has been posted yet... buuuuuut, it would explain why Trump was talking to the Ukranians. Corruption does not live on one side of the fence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TFh1YJynGA

[austingtir]

I don't normally enjoy watching a trainwreck but this one is in such slow motion it can be quite captivating! Esp amusing is how the faithful still have complete support for POOTUS and then condemn everyone else around him as absolutely corrupt, both democrat and ( those who do not follow trumps script) republican. Did anybody take austingit up on his childish ban bet?��


LMFAO seriously?

And no none of you had the balls to take me up on my "childish" ban bet.
If you take me up on it now I swear we've got a vege patch posting in here.

You people are the dumbest bunch of loosers iv ever come across. And still doubling down on stupid.


I almost feel like im beating downs syndrome kids with a baseball bat or something in here I legit feel embarrassed for you people.



chrome-extension://oemmndcbldboiebfnladdacbdfmadadm/https://www.congress.gov/106/cdoc/tdoc16/CDOC-106tdoc16.pdf

This is a treaty basically saying Trump can do whatever and ask whatever the fuck he likes of Ukraine. Signed by Bill Clinton to boot.

Here is the 2001 updated version.

https://www.state.gov/12978

These treaties on corruption completely clear President Trump. You not seeing this on any MSM but here it is. He has every right to ask of Ukraine anything regarding crimes or corruption inside Ukraine or USA and Ukraine. We have many of these treaties wit our allies.

What if … a treaty assuring “mutual legal assistance in criminal matters” had been signed by a president of the United States in Kiev, Ukraine, in July 1998, submitted to the US Senate in October 1999, and ratified without dissent in October 2000 by the Senate?

What if … in a president’s 1998 letter of transmittal, he assured the US Senate that “the treaty is one of a series of modern mutual legal assistance treaties being negotiated by the United States in order to counter criminal activities more effectively,” confirming that treaty should be used “to assist in prosecution of a wide variety of crimes”?

[austingtir]

Further:

The White House, November 10, 1999.
To the Senate of the United States:
With a view to receiving the advice and consent of the
Senate to ratification, I transmit herewith the Treaty Between
the United States of America and Ukraine on Mutual Legal
Assistance in Criminal Matters with Annex, signed at Kiev on
July 22, 1998. I transmit also, for the information of the
Senate, an exchange of notes which was signed on September 30,
1999, which provides for its provisional application, as well
as the report of the Department of State with respect to the
Treaty.
The Treaty is one of a series of modern mutual legal
assistance treaties being negotiated by the United States in
order to counter criminal activities more effectively. The
Treaty should be an effective tool to assist in the prosecution
of a wide variety of crimes, including drug trafficking
offenses. The Treaty is self-executing. It provides for a broad
range of cooperation in criminal matters. Mutual assistance
available under the Treaty includes: taking of testimony or
statements of persons; providing documents, records, and
articles of evidence; serving documents; locating or
identifying persons; transferring persons in custody for
testimony or other purposes; executing requests for searches
and seizures; assisting in proceedings related to restraint,
confiscation, forfeiture of assets, restitution, and collection
of fines; and any other form of assistance not prohibited by
the laws of the requested state.
I recommend that the Senate give early and favorable
consideration to the Treaty and give its advice and consent to
ratification.

William J. Clinton.



Article 1 sets forth a non-exclusive list of the major
types of assistance to be provided under the Treaty, including
taking the testimony or statements of persons; providing
documents, records and other items of evidence; locating or
identifying persons or items; serving documents; transferring
persons in custody for testimony or other purposes; executing
requests for searches and seizures; assisting in proceedings
related to immobilization and forfeiture of assets,
restitution, and collection of fines; and, rendering any other
form of assistance not prohibited by the laws of the Requested
State. The scope of the Treaty includes not only criminal
offenses, but also proceedings related to criminal matters,
which may be civil or administrative in nature.

[austingtir]

This is what happens to those in the Main Stream Media that dont follow the script:
https://twitter.com/FiddlerForest/status/1197238059873398784

[austingtir]

Ukraine was the second largest clinton foundation donor.....

https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/52561📁
Read carefully.

[Viking01]

If China wasnts to be the world hedgemonic superpower they are going to have to TAKE IT!!

You don't think that instead of a hedge, the Chinese might settle for a nice shrubbery ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69iB-xy0u4A

You reckon that their position is set in stone. "A hedge - or else it's open hostilities" ?

I know that Don, the master negotiator, is having a few problems at the moment getting the first part of the US-China trade deal over
the line, and the unanimous vote on the HK Human Rights and Democracy Act is not going to help matters.

But I think that you're looking at this the wrong way around. And not as a potential "solution" to your hedge problem..

We all know that the English are a nation of "gardens and gardeners".

Well, maybe after Boris has managed to achieve a Hard Brexit - and the US has had a chance to negotiate a new trade deal with the UK
(and financially "raped and pillaged" them) , then perhaps Don could "gift" England to the Chinese.

You know, as a "sign of friendship and good will". Along with the English population at the same time.

Think about it.

Not only would the Chinese get a large landmass (of trees, hedges, gardens and shrubberies), but they would also get a population of labour to tend them at the same time.

And Don wouldn't have to worry about more economic refugees flooding into the US (provided that they remember to lock the gates on the
Chunnel, as well as police the UK ports and airports).

I'm sure that the Northern Irish and the Scots would soon sort their own affairs out. The Irish would be unified in the blink of an eye, and the Scots would soon be piling more rocks on Hadrians Wall. What about the Welsh ? Well, what about them ? Everyone else ignores them.

And if Don just happened to mention in general conversation the British Opium Wars - and all the grief that the HK Handover agreement
(negotiated by the Brits) was causing China at the moment, you know, I think there's a good chance that the Chinese could go for such a
proposal. The Chinese are happy, and the US remains No.1.

As Don always says, "it's no good being a hegemon if you can't abuse your powers".

[pritch]

Somebody dubbed Boomhaur on to Gym Jordan and it actually makes more sense.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iomcjd2_OHM&frags=pl%2Cwn

[oldrider]

Trump Woos Jews, Jews Impeach Trump - :confused: - http://www.unz.com/ishamir/jews-impeach-trump-trump-woos-jews/ - or simply more of the tail wagging the (big) dog? - :corn:

[Katman]

I don't normally enjoy watching a trainwreck but this one is in such slow motion it can be quite captivating! Esp amusing is how the faithful still have complete support for POOTUS and then condemn everyone else around him as absolutely corrupt, both democrat and ( those who do not follow trumps script) republican. Did anybody take austingit up on his childish ban bet?😀

As I've stated a number of times before, I have no particular degree of respect for Donald Trump, but watching some of you so desperately clinging to this impeachment farce has been highly amusing.

[Laava]

As I've stated a number of times before.

You have made the mistake of thinking that anybody gives a shit what you think.

[pritch]

As I've stated a number of times before, I have no particular degree of respect for Donald Trump, but watching some of you so desperately clinging to this impeachment farce has been highly amusing.

I take it then that you haven't actually watched any of it as it's far from farcical. The career professionals have been impressive people, the politicians suffering from the comparison.

Still, in that the Republicans will defend Trump beyond all reason, it could seem a bit pointless.

Trump has just been on Fox and Friends raving incoherently and repeating his fantasy conspiracies as well as admitting crimes. Just another day at the office for Trump.

It's a nice day, the bike is legal again, I'm going for a ride. :ride:

[Katman]

I take it then that you haven't actually watched any of it as it's far from farcical.

I've watched plenty of it.

Maybe it's just my impartiality that allows me to see it for the farce that it is.

[husaberg]

Maybe it's just my impartiality that allows me to see it for the farce that it is.

That's the most epic piece of comedy i have ever read.:first::niceone::laugh:
That is pure comic genius.

[Viking01]

https://therealnews.com/stories/patriot-act-renewal-sneaks-through-congress-dem-support

[Katman]

That's the most epic piece of comedy i have ever read.:first::niceone::laugh:
That is pure comic genius.

Well you know what they say - many a true word is said in jest.

[oldrider]

Trump Issues Grave Ultimatum To Queen Elizabeth II At Same Time He Retakes Control Of US Navy:- :confused: - https://phibetaiota.net/2019/11/mongoose-has-president-trump-declared-war-on-the-uk-the-queen-is-the-special-relationship-over/ - :bye: - - - :wait:

[austingtir]

Trump Issues Grave Ultimatum To Queen Elizabeth II At Same Time He Retakes Control Of US Navy:- :confused: - https://phibetaiota.net/2019/11/mongoose-has-president-trump-declared-war-on-the-uk-the-queen-is-the-special-relationship-over/ - :bye: - - - :wait:

Obvious Russian propaganda is obvious batman.

[oldrider]

Video from AIPAC Boasts About Israeli Dominance in US Politics:- https://russia-insider.com/en/tone-deaf-video-aipac-boasts-about-israeli-dominance-us-politics/ri27906?ct=t(Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2 014)&mc_cid=251df95233&mc_eid=4030a10227 - :cool: - Blind America? - :cool: - Blind world?

[oldrider]

Hmmm - apparently not all Americans are actually asleep?

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[pritch]

The real TDS.

[sugilite]

The real TDS.
Exactly, I just cannot understand why people are fooled into believing he is the man for the job when he demonstrates on a near daily basis why he is not. Just going by his tweets alone, take out the slanted media from both sides, the guy is a fucking nutjob.
Anyone that feels the need to announce to the World on multiple occasions that they are "A very stable genius" simply cannot be taken seriously.
So yeah, As I mentioned to our very own KB far right wing loonie, history will remember TDS as an affliction suffered by Trump supporters.

[TheDemonLord]

Exactly, I just cannot understand why people are fooled into believing he is the man for the job when he demonstrates on a near daily basis why he is not. Just going by his tweets alone, take out the slanted media from both sides, the guy is a fucking nutjob.
Anyone that feels the need to announce to the World on multiple occasions that they are "A very stable genius" simply cannot be taken seriously.
So yeah, As I mentioned to our very own KB far right wing loonie, history will remember TDS as an affliction suffered by Trump supporters.

Maybe, Maybe not.

Whilst the cartoon is amusing, nearly all of the quotes are either paraphrases (badly), out-of-context or downright mis-atribututations.

The Cartoon itself is TDS to a T.

It will be interesting to see how History judges Trump. I suspect with time, the delirious screeching will die down and his actions will be judged for their consequences.

[sugilite]

Maybe, Maybe not.

Whilst the cartoon is amusing, nearly all of the quotes are either paraphrases (badly), out-of-context or downright mis-atribututations.

The Cartoon itself is TDS to a T.

It will be interesting to see how History judges Trump. I suspect with time, the delirious screeching will die down and his actions will be judged for their consequences.

I'm curious, if someone came up to you and felt the need to tell you they are a very stable genius, what would your thought process be?

[Katman]

I'm curious, if someone came up to you and felt the need to tell you they are a very stable genius, what would your thought process be?

He'd challenge them to an IQ test.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm curious, if someone came up to you and felt the need to tell you they are a very stable genius, what would your thought process be?

It depends on the context and the person saying it - I've long agreed that Trump has a 'peculiar' way of speaking, that is full of exaggerations in the same way that a Salesman exaggerates.

So given those conditions, I'd probably brush it off as such.

[Banditbandit]

Now - Trump admits he did exactly what the impeachment proceedings are about ..

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/trump-admits-to-ukraine-military-aid-quid-pro-quo-tv-2019-11?r=US&IR=T

Stable genius? Not even close ..

[pritch]

He'd challenge them to an IQ test.

That's fairly predictable, he's done that previously. Safe in the knowledge that it wouldnt happen.

Somewhat at variance with the estimates given on KB, the only mention I've seen of his IQ rated it at 75. Which would seem about right. Of course, if it was truly impressive he wouldn't have threatened all of his educational institutions with legal action if they revealed any of his history.

Currently there are concerns about his health. For some time he has been unable to stand up or sit straight. His sudden visit to hospital - on a Saturday - was unlikely to be a check up, check ups are planned in advance. And the president of the USA can get house calls. Medical professionals considered it likely that he had to go to Walter Reed to be hooked up to machinery that wasn't portable.

There was a report this morning that says he won't come down to the office anymore but will work from his living quarters. I've only seen it once though, so I await some sort of confirmation.

There have been questions about his mobility, lots of video clips if anybody is interested, I'm not. On his most recent flight on AirForce One though, he left by the tradesman's entrance, a door much lower than the usual door, and the doctor was at his elbow.

Considering the fuss he made about Clinton's health, he's less than forthcoming about his own.

[TheDemonLord]

Somewhat at variance with the estimates given on KB, the only mention I've seen of his IQ rated it at 75. Which would seem about right. Of course, if it was truly impressive he wouldn't have threatened all of his educational institutions with legal action if they revealed any of his history.

an IQ of 75?

I think you are missing nearly 100 IQ points from that.

Credible estimates put him in the 150-160 bracket.

[Banditbandit]

Credible estimates put him in the 150-160 bracket.


His own supporters have NO credibility ..

[sugilite]

an IQ of 75?

I think you are missing nearly 100 IQ points from that.

Credible estimates put him in the 150-160 bracket.
I think Katman was alluding to you challenging a person if they told you that they were a very stable genius ;)

[TheDemonLord]

His own supporters have NO credibility ..

Who said that was from a Supporter?

[TheDemonLord]

I think Katman was alluding to you challenging a person if they told you that they were a very stable genius ;)

Well, Trump's achievements prior to becoming PoTUS (and even including that he became the PoTUS) is an objective testament that he must be:

1: Stable
2: Some form of Genius

But even putting that aside, I refer to my point that Trump talks in a very bombastic way - so anything he says I interpret in a manner that is consistent with his proclivity to exagerate.

[Katman]

That's fairly predictable, he's done that previously. Safe in the knowledge that it wouldnt happen.

Somewhat at variance with the estimates given on KB, the only mention I've seen of his IQ rated it at 75. Which would seem about right. Of course, if it was truly impressive he wouldn't have threatened all of his educational institutions with legal action if they revealed any of his history.

Comprehension's not your strong point, is it?

[pritch]

So it does seem that now he's going to stay in his rooms all day, apart from carefully choreographed and drugged up performances? Actually that's not such a big change he didn't come down until 11.00 normally.

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/24/trump-white-house-residence-power-epicenter-073139

[mashman]

Marlow asked Prince to clarify these revelations.

“NYPD was the first one to look at that laptop,” Prince elaborated. “Weiner and Huma Abedin, his wife – the closest adviser of Hillary Clinton for 20 years – have both flipped. (https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/11/04/erik-prince-nypd-ready-make-arrests-weiner-case/)

Doesn't sound too good.

[husaberg]

Marlow asked Prince to clarify these revelations.

“NYPD was the first one to look at that laptop,” Prince elaborated. “Weiner and Huma Abedin, his wife – the closest adviser of Hillary Clinton for 20 years – have both flipped. (https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/11/04/erik-prince-nypd-ready-make-arrests-weiner-case/)

Doesn't sound too good.

Really did you look at the date its over 3 years old?
JOHN HAYWARD4 Nov 2016

[Laava]

https://www.ducatiforum.co.uk/attachments/joke1-jpg.176806/

[jasonu]

Marlow asked Prince to clarify these revelations.

“NYPD was the first one to look at that laptop,” Prince elaborated. “Weiner and Huma Abedin, his wife – the closest adviser of Hillary Clinton for 20 years – have both flipped. (https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2016/11/04/erik-prince-nypd-ready-make-arrests-weiner-case/)

Doesn't sound too good.

It says that report is from November 2016

[austingtir]

So as I was saying....


Ilhan Omar is a legit proven foreign agent:
https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict




Whens someone going to look properly into our own Golriz Gharaman?

[mashman]

It says that report is from November 2016

Yes it does. And nothing was done. I wonder why, with goods claimed as they are, nothing was done. Actually, I don't. Investigations take time, especially where such crimes remain(ed) hidden by power/money/corruption and implicate high enough up the food chain to have all sorts of participants shitting their pants.

[husaberg]

Yes it does. And nothing was done. I wonder why, with goods claimed as they are, nothing was done. Actually, I don't. Investigations take time, especially where such crimes remain(ed) hidden by power/money/corruption and implicate high enough up the food chain to have all sorts of participants shitting their pants.

The FBI investigated Clinton and found nothing.
Do you find that inconvenient?

[oldrider]

If you vote - you have no reason to complain? - :no:

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[austingtir]

The FBI investigated Clinton and found nothing.
Do you find that inconvenient?


FBI is corrupt so its a case of the crims investigating the crims.

And from what I hear they certainly didnt find nothing. They just found ways of hiding it. And the MSM also was complicit with that.


Eventually when you tell as many lies as the FBI,CIA and mainly left wing politicians have it will all come crashing down on them.


About that illegal server... The chinese got her emails in realtime.

https://gohmert.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=398652


Pay to play? How much did the chinese pay?

[husaberg]

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Sorry Austin all i see is just naughts and crosses.Are you stuck in the matrix?
If they are they hugs and kisses its not really appropriate, its a bit odd really.

[austingtir]

Sorry Austin all i see is just naughts and crosses.Are you stuck in the matrix?
If they are they hugs and kisses its not really appropriate, its a bit odd really.

Here's a link for you then.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/11/i-have-initiated-the-destruction-of-the-republic-breaking-exclusive-adulterous-attorney-kevin-clinesmith-after-first-carter-page-fisa-app-originated/




Must suck being on the wrong side of history....

[austingtir]

LMFAO

Listen to 35.08

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1OdKrLZpbbYJX

[oldrider]

There is reality to consider:- :msn-wink: - https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/1199499994140680192/photo/1 - :confused: - The real government gets on with it! - :wait:

[Banditbandit]

So as I was saying....


Ilhan Omar is a legit proven foreign agent:
https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict




Whens someone going to look properly into our own Golriz Gharaman?



Posting the homepage of an Israeli news source hardly proves anything at all about Omar .

Gharaman has been investigated ... no issues - sorry. Sheesh - I'm surprised you can spell her name properly .

[austingtir]

Posting the homepage of an Israeli news source hardly proves anything at all about Omar .

Gharaman has been investigated ... no issues - sorry. Sheesh - I'm surprised you can spell her name properly .


Gharaman was never investigated a person over the ditch looked into her and founds all kinds of shit our media would not publish.. Gharaman LIES about everything. Every single word out of that dumb bints mouth is lies.

But anyway back to Ilhan.

You realize this is actually going through the courts right now right? This is actual testimony coming out of a courtroom....

Check out 35:08 LMFAO.

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1OdKrLZpbbYJX

[husaberg]

Here's a link for you then.

https://www.thegatewaypumdit.com/2019/11/i-have-initiated-the-destruction-of-the-republic-breaking-exclusive-adulterous-attorney-kevin-clinesmith-after-first-carter-page-fisa-app-originated/
Must suck being on the wrong side of history....

Still no valid page
what are you trying to tell us?

[Laava]

Posting the homepage of an Israeli news source hardly proves anything at all about Omar .

Gharaman has been investigated ... no issues - sorry. Sheesh - I'm surprised you can spell her name properly .


Still no valid page
what are you trying to tell us?


Geez guys, stop baiting the troll!...

[austingtir]

LMAO at thinking anyone is going to beat this. They are going to have to kill him to stop him.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2qIXXafxCQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR1B7PSnxpcZsNL-ri0sROPdV0Kyl-dXkCoitLdkNXTKFaqqv5zoqgRqb9I

[austingtir]

Still no valid page
what are you trying to tell us?

And another ; o

https://therundownnews.com/2019/11/omar-challenger-says-she-should-be-hanged-for-treason-if-reports-of-qatari-recruitment-true/

A challenger to freshman Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) said that the congresswoman should be tried and hanged for treason if reports that she was recruited as an asset of Qatar and passed along sensitive intel to Iran are true.

“If it is proven @IlhanMN passed sensitive info to Iran, she should be tried for #treason and hanged,” Danielle Stella said on Twitter.

If it is proven @IlhanMN passed sensitive info to Iran, she should be tried for #treason and hanged. USE-FULL-LINK-qQtLQJsWKd

— Danielle Stella (@2020MNCongress) November 26, 2019
Monday, a bombshell report in Al Arabiya — called the “AP of the Middle East” by Steve Bannon — surfaced saying that Qatar recruited Omar to run for office.

“US Congresswoman Ilhan Omar was recruited by a foreign government, passed sensitive information that was relayed to Iran, and received funding by a foreign government, according to a sworn deposition by a Canadian businessman in a Florida court,” the report said.




When are you going to stop backing treasonous scumbags huza?

[oldrider]

He should have said - "I am backed and controlled by the very same people as the people that I condemn" - they always back both options so that they always win! - :first:

[mashman]

He should have said - "I am backed and controlled by the very same people as the people that I condemn" - they always back both options so that they always win! - :first:

That is wholly possible. The only way to win a war and the trinkets, people, that come with it, is to control both sides of the game. It is evident throughout history... maybe this time will be different. With any luck we'll find out before christmas and we can move on to discussing teeth with a little more verve.

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdYud9re7-Q

Something that may be of interest - I'm starting to like Tulsi more and more.

[Banditbandit]

And another ; o

https://therundownnews.com/2019/11/omar-challenger-says-she-should-be-hanged-for-treason-if-reports-of-qatari-recruitment-true/

A challenger to freshman Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-MN) said that the congresswoman should be tried and hanged for treason if reports that she was recruited as an asset of Qatar and passed along sensitive intel to Iran are true.

“If it is proven @IlhanMN passed sensitive info to Iran, she should be tried for #treason and hanged,” Danielle Stella said on Twitter.

If it is proven @IlhanMN passed sensitive info to Iran, she should be tried for #treason and hanged. USE-FULL-LINK-qQtLQJsWKd

— Danielle Stella (@2020MNCongress) November 26, 2019
Monday, a bombshell report in Al Arabiya — called the “AP of the Middle East” by Steve Bannon — surfaced saying that Qatar recruited Omar to run for office.

“US Congresswoman Ilhan Omar was recruited by a foreign government, passed sensitive information that was relayed to Iran, and received funding by a foreign government, according to a sworn deposition by a Canadian businessman in a Florida court,” the report said.




When are you going to stop backing treasonous scumbags huza?


Allegations - not proven - only idiots take allegations as proof ....

[Banditbandit]

Gharaman was never investigated a person over the ditch looked into her and founds all kinds of shit our media would not publish..

She would have been investigated when she applied for residency and citizenship - if she did lie on her application she would be booted out ..

Everything since is just allegations




Gharaman LIES about everything. Every single word out of that dumb bints mouth is lies.

Show proof of lies - just one will do .. show the proof or go back to tugging little willie .

But anyway back to Ilhan.


You realize this is actually going through the courts right now right? This is actual testimony coming out of a courtroom....

Check out 35:08 LMFAO.

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1OdKrLZpbbYJX

So ?? Not yet proven ..

[austingtir]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdYud9re7-Q

Something that may be of interest - I'm starting to like Tulsi more and more.

Not once you look into her actual policies. Its obvious she's just about as crazy as all the other democrats if you bother to look.

[Katman]

I'm starting to like Tulsi more and more.

And for someone who has never shied away from voicing his support for regime change wars, that's quite some development.

[Banditbandit]

And for someone who has never shied away from voicing his support for regime change wars, that's quite some development.

Yes - quite - umm - shocking really ..

[TheDemonLord]

And for someone who has never shied away from voicing his support for regime change wars, that's quite some development.

I still wouldn't vote for her and still disagree with her on some points, specifically parts of her foreign Policy - however, as a Democrat who isn't a raving Marxist and can sit down and talk - yeah, she's not too bad.

[oldrider]

[video=yoQ[/video]

Something that may be of interest - I'm starting to like Tulsi more and more.

There is always this:- https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/1199800646813323264?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - or something like it, to contend with. - :shifty:

[TheDemonLord]

Yes - quite - umm - shocking really ..

My views are more aligned with Jocko - in particular when he points out the failure was no long-term planning and exit strategy.

But, compared to the other Democrat candidates, she seems the least objectionable.

[Banditbandit]

My views are more aligned with Jocko - in particular when he points out the failure was no long-term planning and exit strategy.

But, compared to the other Democrat candidates, she seems the least objectionable.

She also has a nice smile and wonderful - err - outstanding features ...

https://images.axios.com/BsRqcWWNlqeEB1k320WKWllKx10=/0x117:3046x1830/1024x576/2019/02/14/1550177198260.jpg

[TheDemonLord]

She also has a nice smile and wonderful - err - outstanding features ...

I didn't want to say it, but yes.

Yes she does.

[jasonu]

But, compared to the other candidates, he seems the least objectionable.

That's how Trump got in.

[oldrider]

That's how Trump got in.

True! - But hey - don't forget the Russian contribution? - :devil2:

[Mr. Peanut]

True! - But hey - don't forget the Russian contribution? - :devil2:

I like Russians. I don't think they influenced much beyond a few grand of Facebook ads. Can you actually imagine a Russian guy in trackpants on his 90s dell computer driving home in his Lada and convincing a Southern State corn farmer to vote red?

HEY PAW, some guy called Vlad says Hillary eats babies! I say we trust em!

[austingtir]

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/11/hunter-bidens-new-baby-is-with-a-stripper-from-a-dc-strip-club-he-frequented/


You are dating, mostly living with, your dead brother's wife while ...

Having sex with a stripper

AND .. Dating another woman who you then "marry" a full 5 weeks after stopping living with your dead brother's wife.

Sounds like the behavior of another fine upstanding Democrat!!


:rolleyes:

[Laava]

HEY PAW, some guy called Vlad says Hillary eats babies! I say we trust em!

This is probably closer to the truth than one would imagine...

[jasonu]

True! - But hey - don't forget the Russian contribution? - :devil2:

The dems contributed more by backing Mrs.C.

[Mr. Peanut]

This is probably closer to the truth than one would imagine...

I'm always suspicious of people who are quick to judge the intelligence of others. Are they trying to make themselves feel better about their own inadequacies?

[oldrider]

True! - But hey - don't forget the Russian contribution? - :devil2:


I like Russians. I don't think they influenced much beyond a few grand of Facebook ads. Can you actually imagine a Russian guy in trackpants on his 90s dell computer driving home in his Lada and convincing a Southern State corn farmer to vote red?

HEY PAW, some guy called Vlad says Hillary eats babies! I say we trust em!

My post about the Russians was sarcasm! - we don't have a KB sarcasm emoticon unfortunately. :lol:

[Laava]

I'm always suspicious of people who are quick to judge the intelligence of others. Are they trying to make themselves feel better about their own inadequacies?
Agreed, although being of low intelligence and being stupid are not the same thing a lot of the time.

[pritch]

I like Russians. I don't think they influenced much beyond a few grand of Facebook ads. Can you actually imagine a Russian guy in trackpants on his 90s dell computer driving home in his Lada and convincing a Southern State corn farmer to vote red?

HEY PAW, some guy called Vlad says Hillary eats babies! I say we trust em!

It might seem like that if you were innocent of any actual knowledge. There was the Internet Research Agency (IRA, an unfortunate acronym) in St Petersburg, there was a unit of the GRU in Moscow, (Russian Military Intelligence.) It was 13? staff of this latter unit were charged by the Mueller inquiry.

There were political meetings held in the USA using local unwitting dupes as organisers. There was more besides but nothing has been done to prevent it happening again. The voting machines are easily hackable as are the computers the voting records are stored in. Cletus who got the IT job because he is the Mayors nephew does not really present much of a challenge to professional hackers from the GRU.

[TheDemonLord]

I like Russians. I don't think they influenced much beyond a few grand of Facebook ads. Can you actually imagine a Russian guy in trackpants on his 90s dell computer driving home in his Lada and convincing a Southern State corn farmer to vote red?

HEY PAW, some guy called Vlad says Hillary eats babies! I say we trust em!

Sounds like Boris:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aI4CAJA6wgk

[oldrider]

YouTube Bans Top Christian Channel for Anti-Semitic Rant:- :kick: - https://russia-insider.com/en/youtube-bans-top-christian-channel-anti-semitic-rant-trunews-rick-wiles/ri27952?ct=t(Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2 014)&mc_cid=1839cd3cb5&mc_eid=4030a10227 - :shutup:

<iframe width="680" height="383" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/nqHMBG_EP_A" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[jasonu]

It might seem like that if you were innocent of any actual knowledge. There was the Internet Research Agency (IRA, an unfortunate acronym) in St Petersburg, there was a unit of the GRU in Moscow, (Russian Military Intelligence.) It was 13? staff of this latter unit were charged by the Mueller inquiry.

There were political meetings held in the USA using local unwitting dupes as organisers. There was more besides but nothing has been done to prevent it happening again. The voting machines are easily hackable as are the computers the voting records are stored in. Cletus who got the IT job because he is the Mayors nephew does not really present much of a challenge to professional hackers from the GRU.

You believe anything dished up by MSN, The National Enquirer and Mills and Boon no matter how unlikely or just plain stupid.

[pritch]

I see that David Duke has endorsed Tulsi Gabbard. Sounds about right.


Updates:

Tulsi Gabbard has rejected Duke's endorsement. Duke responds that he didn't mean to endorse Gabbard, he just endorses her stance against Neocon Zionist wars.
If you Google it the impression is that everybody, including the inmates at Stormfront, is having a say.

[TheDemonLord]

I see that David Duke has endorsed Tulsi Gabbard. Sounds about right.

Yes....

Because Neo-Nazis have a long history of Supporting Ethnic Minority Women...

[oldrider]

:corn: - POTUS? Trump may have had an offer he can't refuse - :dodge: - War with Iran or face impeachment - (or maybe even both?) - :wait: - Time reveals all. - :mellow:

[pritch]

Last night on Twitter there was a really good 60 Minutes clip on the GRU interference in the US elections but alas, I can't find it right now. For those of you who are a bit behind, or were actually sucked in, there's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VLQuJFMayg

I mentioned it here previously but apparently it offended Yokel. The FBI warned the DNC that they had been hacked but the DNC IT guy did nothing. Later when asked why, he replied that he thought the phone call might have been one of his mates having him on. There is a procedure for dealing with this situation which anybody working in an office environment should know, but not the DNC apparently.

[oldrider]

Impeachment - a Very Jewish Coup:- :scratch: - https://russia-insider.com/en/impeachment-very-jewish-coup/ri27931?ct=t(Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2 014)&mc_cid=36853f935d&mc_eid=4030a10227 - Backing both sides guarantees a winner? - :whistle:

[Viking01]

Last night on Twitter there was a really good 60 Minutes clip on the GRU interference in the US elections but alas, I can't find it right now. For those of you who are a bit behind, or were actually sucked in, there's this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VLQuJFMayg

I mentioned it here previously but apparently it offended Yokel. The FBI warned the DNC that they had been hacked but the DNC IT guy did nothing. Later when asked why, he replied that he thought the phone call might have been one of his mates having him on. There is a procedure for dealing with this situation which anybody working in an office environment should know, but not the DNC apparently.

Thanks for posting the video clip, but if that qualifies as sound evidence, I still only see plenty of accusations and very little actual evidence.

1. Accusations vs Evidence
Plenty of accusations to justify an expulsion of Russian embassy staff (to sour the US-Russian political relationship) and justify a levying of further economic sanctions against Russia.

You don't need a pending election to provide a backdrop to do the above, but it is very handy. Especially when one of the then-surging candidates was showing some desire to "repair" the political relationship.

2. Preference for a Candidate

Putin stated a preference when interviewed. So what ?

Given Clinton's support for waging wars (ignore any support for Trump in the following article), it's hardly a surprise that Putin expressed a preference to the candidate less focused on war.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/dougbandow/2016/09/26/wannabe-global-dominatrix-hillary-clinton-never-met-a-war-she-didnt-want-other-americans-to-fight/

But in the greater scheme of things, what would it even matter ?

Do you not think that (i) SuperPACS (ii) Electoral College (iii) other countries, would exert far more political influence on the US, or more control on the outcome of a US election ?

It was not that long ago that old hawk John McCain was accusing Russia of simply being "a gas station masquerading as a country".

3. Hacking Emails

So the US intelligence agencies declare that some of Hillary's email (insecurely stored on an external server) was hacked ? And that - once certain embarrassing content had been made public by Wikileaks, Russia was the most likely candidate for having perpetrated a hack ?

https://off-guardian.org/2019/07/25/crowdstrikeout-muellers-own-report-undercuts-its-core-russia-meddling-claims/

And we should continue to believe the US intelligence agencies, when current Secretary of State Pompeo has publicly stated:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPt-zXn05ac

I'm struggling to believe the Russian fairy story.

[Katman]

I'm struggling to believe the Russian fairy story.

Too Mills & Boon for you?

[austingtir]

^^

What most people dont realize is Hilldog was selling access to her email server. Hence pay to play and why it was unsecured.

All these narratives about her being hacked is complete bullshit.


I am of the opinion that if EVERYTHING came out that has gone on over the last 4 decades or more the world economy would collapse and it would cause major world conflicts as in real deal WW3. That imo is how deep all this goes and why it will never see the light of day.

If they release real data on whats actually been going on the general public will shit their beds.

[pritch]

I'm struggling to believe the Russian fairy story.

It's a lot more than a fairy story. Thirteen GRU members have been charged, not that they will have to bother about that unless a 'plane makes an unexpected landing in the US of A. The 60 Minutes article contained the photographs of the staff, named them, and mentioned their units. The Mueller report confirmed Russian interference. All of the US intelligence agencies agreed it happened. But sure, some people are struggling.

The Mueller report statement was to the effect that there were over a hundred contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians, but because witnesses lied or destroyed evidence he could not prove an actual conspiracy between the campaign and representatives of the Russian Government.

It wasn't HRC's private server that was hacked, it was the Democrat party HQ that was hacked, then released by the Russians to Wikileaks and Roger Stone. It's thought likely that the RNC servers were also hacked but nothing was released. Trump had advance notice of the Wikileaks release because he hinted at it's impending arrival during one of his election rallies. Roger Stone is likely to get an all expenses paid holliday for his part in the proceedings.

While mentioning Clinton's server, there never were any missing emails.

Almost half of Trump's millions of followers on Twitter are thought to be bots. Occasionally Twitter have a cleanout and Trump screams that conservatives are being censored because his follower count has dropped hugely. The bots are likely the business of the IRA in St Petersburg, as that's their sort of thing.

So with the Russians working full time on spreading confusion, and Trump continually giving out misinformation, it's not surprising that people are struggling. That's not an excuse, some people need to pay more attention.

[austingtir]

It's a lot more than a fairy story. Thirteen GRU members have been charged, not that they will have to bother about that unless a 'plane makes an unexpected landing in the US of A. The 60 Minutes article contained the photographs of the staff, named them, and mentioned their units. The Mueller report confirmed Russian interference. All of the US intelligence agencies agreed it happened. But sure, some people are struggling.

The Mueller report statement was to the effect that there were over a hundred contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians, but because witnesses lied or destroyed evidence he could not prove an actual conspiracy between the campaign and representatives of the Russian Government.

It wasn't HRC's private server that was hacked, it was the Democrat party HQ that was hacked, then released by the Russians to Wikileaks and Roger Stone. It's thought likely that the RNC servers were also hacked but nothing was released. Trump had advance notice of the Wikileaks release because he hinted at it's impending arrival during one of his election rallies. Roger Stone is likely to get an all expenses paid holliday for his part in the proceedings.

While mentioning Clinton's server, there never were any missing emails.

Almost half of Trump's millions of followers on Twitter are thought to be bots. Occasionally Twitter have a cleanout and Trump screams that conservatives are being censored because his follower count has dropped hugely. The bots are likely the business of the IRA in St Petersburg, as that's their sort of thing.

So with the Russians working full time on spreading confusion, and Trump continually giving out misinformation, it's not surprising that people are struggling. That's not an excuse, some people need to pay more attention.


Where do you even start with someone that is this brainwashed by the MSM?

Total waste of time even bothering imo.

[jasonu]

It's a lot more than a fairy story. Thirteen GRU members have been charged, not that they will have to bother about that unless a 'plane makes an unexpected landing in the US of A. The 60 Minutes article contained the photographs of the staff, named them, and mentioned their units. The Mueller report confirmed Russian interference. All of the US intelligence agencies agreed it happened. But sure, some people are struggling.

The Mueller report statement was to the effect that there were over a hundred contacts between the Trump campaign and Russians, but because witnesses lied or destroyed evidence he could not prove an actual conspiracy between the campaign and representatives of the Russian Government.

It wasn't HRC's private server that was hacked, it was the Democrat party HQ that was hacked, then released by the Russians to Wikileaks and Roger Stone. It's thought likely that the RNC servers were also hacked but nothing was released. Trump had advance notice of the Wikileaks release because he hinted at it's impending arrival during one of his election rallies. Roger Stone is likely to get an all expenses paid holliday for his part in the proceedings.

While mentioning Clinton's server, there never were any missing emails.

Almost half of Trump's millions of followers on Twitter are thought to be bots. Occasionally Twitter have a cleanout and Trump screams that conservatives are being censored because his follower count has dropped hugely. The bots are likely the business of the IRA in St Petersburg, as that's their sort of thing.

So with the Russians working full time on spreading confusion, and Trump continually giving out misinformation, it's not surprising that people are struggling. That's not an excuse, some people need to pay more attention.

Are you on drugs???

Seriously though, the dems are so fixated on the impeachment hearings they seam to have forgotten the next election is now less than a year away and still have not put forward a POTUS candidate that is worth a shit.

[pritch]

Another former Trump campaign manager has been sentenced to jail, another kiddie fiddler. "Only the best people". Yeah right!

[Banditbandit]

https://scontent.fhlz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/78556870_2270020889962515_5273237979899363328_n.jp g?_nc_cat=109&_nc_eui2=AeH7xBsft1FtjUjBLJ8xMGAOQTMXRfI74fDF1k7uV EJXdmgQIms-nT_IjOAf1xlNiJ4xEjOXFyRh8_NuBCQnaR9VNcLEWwjnSZK_h3 kJHJ1-mw&_nc_ohc=NrJ9RmUI1-YAQkIt1qreVV2qLxdrIFpnR2XVOAll4FkoXxUuLCPl8GCQQ&_nc_ht=scontent.fhlz2-1.fna&oh=d6d0f583dfda4829b0943577946b6f4d&oe=5E8C601B

[oldrider]

I think you had it right the first time - definitely Trump's fault! - You are welcome. :yes:

[TheDemonLord]

I think you had it right the first time - definitely Trump's fault! - You are welcome. :yes:

If you look closely, it says 'Made in China' - so it's definitely proof of Chinese aggression and expansionist policies.

[Banditbandit]

So - who should we blame for this one?

Assassins Kill ‘Panama Papers’ Journalist Who Linked Ivanka Trump To Russian Money Launderers

https://politicaldig.com/assassins-killed-panama-papers-journalist-linked-ivanka-trump-russian-money-launderers/?fbclid=IwAR0Pi_hzMrHPXbFzuZhCN5BRKC4FxiE87gbotNIb KJMJX3kitrSyEL0Pr0k

[TheDemonLord]

So - who should we blame for this one?

Assassins Kill ‘Panama Papers’ Journalist Who Linked Ivanka Trump To Russian Money Launderers

https://politicaldig.com/assassins-killed-panama-papers-journalist-linked-ivanka-trump-russian-money-launderers/?fbclid=IwAR0Pi_hzMrHPXbFzuZhCN5BRKC4FxiE87gbotNIb KJMJX3kitrSyEL0Pr0k

The TrumpRuskiDemoBrexitMSMISISJews.

[austingtir]

Creepy Joes brains are officially mashed potatoes...

https://twitter.com/svenstoffels/status/1201576100461240326


Its hard not to notice pritch is the only one silly enough to still put up a fight on here....


:yawn:

[Berries]

Its hard not to notice pritch is the only one silly enough to still put up a fight on here....
Most of us are just laughing at you.

[jasonu]

Most of us are just laughing at you.

Nope. Even the chief nobstain has given up.

[austingtir]

Most of us are just laughing at you.


And history will be laughing at all of you.

Just keep going with the heard.

Sheeple.... when will the learn.


:yawn:

Q sent me.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJnQnD9EXnw

[austingtir]

People make fun of Trump but the state of the democrat nominees is hilarious....

We have Biden going on about kids on his lap and roaches.

Now we have Yang squirting cream into kneeling supporters mouths..... Even his handler was nopeing out and cringing like crazy. :facepalm:


https://youtu.be/zDRfKARDPZc


2020 is going to be hilarious.

[pritch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft6A3WZnd3s

[pritch]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-mental-state-deteriorating-dangerously-125938734.html?.tsrc=fauxdal

[jasonu]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft6A3WZnd3s

Hahahaha Lawrence O’Donnell is about the most one eyed cunt on tv! He is a joke and so is any fuckwit that quotes him believing he ‘tells it like it is’

[oldrider]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft6A3WZnd3s


https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-mental-state-deteriorating-dangerously-125938734.html?.tsrc=fauxdal

Keep repeating it until it becomes a fact? ..... husaberg? ..... Goebbels? ... et al. .. :msn-wink:

[pritch]

The stable genius throws his toys out of the cot and goes home early.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-trudeau-nato-summit-press-conference-macron-boris-johnson-latest-a9232496.html

[Laava]

Hahahaha Lawrence O’Donnell is about the most one eyed cunt on tv! He is a joke and so is any fuckwit that quotes him believing he ‘tells it like it is’
Careful you don't drown there in de Nile!

[pritch]

Careful you don't drown there in de Nile!

Jason isn't bright enough to to understand that the information is not coming from O'Donnell but from his guest, the former Associate Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard.

Interestingly the guest explains some of the psychology of the MAGAts. It's not that I just wrote them off as stupid, but some of them...

[jasonu]

Jason isn't bright enough to to understand that the information is not coming from O'Donnell but from his guest, the former Associate Professor of Psychiatry at Harvard.

Interestingly the guest explains some of the psychology of the MAGAts. It's not that I just wrote them off as stupid, but some of them...

You’re a fucking idiot if you believe anything that Lawrence O’Donnell or any of his guests say. He is more or less a prime time shock jock that trots out the same handful of chosen guest ‘experts’.

[pritch]

File this under, "We don't know how lucky we are".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kll-yYQwmuM

[pritch]

For those who actually want information from genuine sources rather than the Internet's Crazy Korner, the US House Of Representatives Impeachment Inquiry Report can be read here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/context/the-house-intelligence-committee-s-trump-ukraine-impeachment-inquiry-report/15afc048-88d0-41e7-9911-258de345273c/

It's long but even if you just read the Preface you'll get the drift.

[austingtir]

https://i.imgur.com/sGqqm14.jpg

[Banditbandit]

Most of us are just laughing at you.



Yeah - I'm on your side - laugh - Trump's a fool ..

https://i.nobleworkscards.com/mod_images/imageitem/c1582bdg-the-trump-card-humorous-birthday-paper-card-nobleworks.jpg

[austingtir]

The dems are so screwed it's hilarious.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/12/rudy-giuliani-meets-with-ukrainian-lawmaker-andrey-derkach-who-revealed-burisma-holdings-paid-joe-biden-900000-for-lobbying/



And WATCH THIS!!!! Schiff, Biden etc etc are all FUBAR!!!

https://twitter.com/MonsieurAmerica/status/1202669603136032768


Channel Rion of OAN news is hot asf BTW...

[austingtir]

Imagine if we had a (non globalist) leader like Trump. We could be doing just as well as the states is.....


Once again, the Trump Economy absolutely smashed “expert” predictions with today’s Jobs Report:
The unemployment rate fell to 3.5%—matching its lowest level in 50 years.

Economists had expected the economy to add 185,000 jobs. It added 266,000.

Economists had predicted 15,000 more manufacturing jobs. We got 54,000.

Compared with last year, average hourly wages are up more than 3%.

The number of Americans working rose to 158,593,000—a record high.

[austingtir]

This is so beautiful it almost made me forget Epstein didnt kill himself....


https://youtu.be/pgAAdNaL4oM

[austingtir]

Certainly seems to beat the crap out of Big mike's ghetto christmas decor..... :laugh::laugh::laugh:



https://youtu.be/0vU8WhWKHTg

[austingtir]

LMFAO is this real life!?:niceone::niceone::niceone:


https://youtu.be/cLBSESRmjbI?t=621

[austingtir]

^^ watch the Trump vid @ 10min 20sec in.

[Kickaha]

Economists had expected the economy to add 185,000 jobs. It added 266,000.


It's not really that surprising the employment rate in the USA has been on a steady upward climb since 2010 and shows no sign of dropping off

[sugilite]

Sorry to disturb your Trump lovefest Austin - but had you ever thought of getting his name tattooed on your dick?

[jasonu]

It's not really that surprising the employment rate in the USA has been on a steady upward climb since 2010 and shows no sign of dropping off

But according to most media outets and other cunts the USA has gone down the drain since 2016.

[Viking01]

Imagine if we had a (non globalist) leader like Trump. We could be doing just as well as the states is.....


Once again, the Trump Economy absolutely smashed “expert” predictions with today’s Jobs Report:
The unemployment rate fell to 3.5%—matching its lowest level in 50 years.

Economists had expected the economy to add 185,000 jobs. It added 266,000.

Economists had predicted 15,000 more manufacturing jobs. We got 54,000.

Compared with last year, average hourly wages are up more than 3%.

The number of Americans working rose to 158,593,000—a record high.

If that keeps you happy. But there is always more behind the numbers that government agencies and politicians choose to report.

US Employment Figures

https://www.globalresearch.ca/shadow-statistics-us-governments-fudging-the-numbers-on-unemployment-gdp-and-inflation/5687366

http://www.shadowstats.com/
Note that 41,000 of the latest 266,000 "new jobs" figure relate to GM auto workers returning from strike.

And it's always good to know and understand some of the underlying factors that may affect earlier numbers. Like full time vs part-time jobs. Or people taking on second and third jobs.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/51582.htm

https://jackrasmus.com/2019/09/01/labor-day-2019-surveys-show-wages-not-rising-jobs-500000-fewer/

[Viking01]

Jo Biden has been busy on the campaign trail. Not only has he been busy reassuring Americans that the size of their paycheck doesn't matter:

https://www.rt.com/usa/475247-biden-paycheck-job-ukraine/

But he's been busy telling voters that people still remain enamored with the "moderate, corporate friendly policies" that Hillary Clinton was promoting back in 2016. Yes, I can feel you nodding your heads in agreement.

And when questioned about medical care costs (Medicare For All), that despite the Democrat left wing being for it, he maintains that the Democrat Party is not yet aligned with it.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2019/12/06/wheres-party-come-man-biden-claims-democrats-not-down-aoc-style-progress-medicare

Perhaps the DNC and its sponsors are not yet aligned with it, but a majority of their voter base might see otherwise.

I'm just glad that I don't have to pay US medical costs:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/52658.htm

[pritch]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/more-than-500-law-professors-say-trump-committed-impeachable-conduct/2019/12/06/35259c16-183a-11ea-a659-7d69641c6ff7_story.html

[oldrider]

It doesn't matter which left / right politicians you vote for - they will only ever do the bidding of their backers and they are all on the same side FFS! - AND it's world wide! - the world is "their" oyster! - :done: - NOT OURS! :no:

[husaberg]

It's not really that surprising the employment rate in the USA has been on a steady upward climb since 2010 and shows no sign of dropping off
Yip just a continuation of the trend since the last recession.
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/EDBB/production/_108995806_us.unemployment-nc_2.png
US trade deficits another story
https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/E872/production/_99660595_6-tradedeficit-nc.png

[austingtir]

:banana::banana::banana:

Surely thats not shifty schiffs son wearing a "mossad since 1949" T shit?

https://qanon.pub/data/media/585be54cd0b1d56bab4fe5204bc79904e313dfb00af6c70e61 fd92dd46bc1922.jpg

[Katman]

Surely thats not shifty schiffs son wearing a "mossad since 1949" T shit?

There's obviously nothing quite like rubbing it in the noses of the people you're supposed to be serving.

[pete376403]

There's obviously nothing quite like rubbing it in the noses of the people you're supposed to be serving.
Indeed! A bit like this, worn when visiting child detention facilities

[Katman]

Indeed! A bit like this, worn when visiting child detention facilities

True.

What a tangled web the world is weaved in.

[austingtir]

Indeed! A bit like this, worn when visiting child detention facilities

ENNNNNGKKK WRONG!!

She wore it during her ride from the White House to Andrews AFB. She didn't wear it at one of the detention centers.

And:

https://i.imgur.com/K4L5Jh7.jpg



:rolleyes:
Imagine if I wasnt around to correct all the shitlibs on here!?

[husaberg]

or better still Tumps son i laws meeting with this guy why is Austin not up in arms about this?;):lol:
https://images.axios.com/qiYLVc7D50vfaAG3AZYothmIlFs=/0x95:2420x1456/1600x900/2018/05/13/1526216717316.jpg

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PZ6ZJCV42g4/WSKcK9D_RGI/AAAAAAAAba0/BWSH9omfIrEW-QYOUwl_eQcbiyE8MjsywCLcB/s1600/KUSHNER%252C%2BTrump%2B-%2BAND%2BALL%2BJEWS%2Bare%2BIN%2BBED%2Bwith%2BWOME N%2BMURDERING%2BSAUDIS%2Bto%2BDESTROY%2BIran.PNG

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/11/politics/jason-lewis-donald-trump-mike-pence/index.html

343841

[austingtir]

^^^ And there you go assuming I give a shit about Kushner...

BTW you are pretty shit at finding gotchas on him. I could post way juicier stuff than that. But I wont because I know you lot are too stupid to find it.

In the pic above he is doing his job. Its like libs pretending Trump impeached himself talking to a head of state in Ukraine. entire thing is absurd to the absolute extreme.

[pritch]

Kushner's parents and Bibi are old friends, the Kushners senior have long invested in property in Israel. Netanyahu currently has his own problems though, so the Middle East peace that Kushner is supposed to be arranging for his father in law may be a while yet.

[pritch]

https://www.politicususa.com/2019/12/07/one-of-americas-largest-newspapers-drops-editorial-bomb-trump-endorsing-impeachment.html

[pete376403]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgD7J36HV-Q

[austingtir]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgD7J36HV-Q

I posted the whole vid earlier in this thread. The bit about lightbulbs is funnier imo.


Anyway he's got a long ways to go to top biden.

https://twitter.com/johncardillo/status/1203456016341450752

[oldrider]

US Police Forced to Undergo 'Holocaust Training,' Trips to Israel, Funded by Uncle Sam (WHY? :confused:) - https://russia-insider.com/en/jew-fatigue-us-police-forced-undergo-holocaust-training-trips-israel-funded-uncle-sam/ri27982?ct=t(Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2 014)&mc_cid=620cf95daa&mc_eid=4030a10227 - Interesting observation of political interference in America? - :msn-wink:

[Banditbandit]

And this from the Idiot in Chief

"Right now in a lot of states, the laws allow a baby to be born, from his or her mother's womb, in the ninth month. It is wrong, it has to change."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yi-9Q1XDqU

[oldrider]

And this from the Idiot in Chief

"Right now in a lot of states, the laws allow a baby to be born, from his or her mother's womb, in the ninth month. It is wrong, it has to change."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yi-9Q1XDqU

It doesn't matter about who the monkey is - it's the frigging organ grinder that is in charge! - :kick: - Kick his arse - :thud:

[husaberg]

And this from the Idiot in Chief

"Right now in a lot of states, the laws allow a baby to be born, from his or her mother's womb, in the ninth month. It is wrong, it has to change."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yi-9Q1XDqU

Classic Trump......
I am stealing that

[pritch]

This Californian nativity scene is upsetting some. And so it should.

[austingtir]

This Californian nativity scene is upsetting some. And so it should.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/rMlGp3YoaQs4o/source.gif

[austingtir]

Pretty damning stuff:


https://youtu.be/a0RfIAFCXgU

[pritch]

This is Congressman Swallwell questioning the lawyers of both parties at the impeachment inquiry. There's five minutes of it but it's impressive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kAn7hhi4SU

[oldrider]

THE 45 COMMUNIST GOALS AS READ INTO THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, 1963 - Read more at:- https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/watchwomanonthewall/2011/04/the-45-communist-goals-as-read-into-the-congressional-record-1963.html#Z98FqGpbKC8CY6l8.99 https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/watchwomanonthewall/2011/04/the-45-communist-goals-as-read-into-the-congressional-record-1963.html - :mellow: - :soon:

[Bonez]

This is Congressman Swallwell questioning the lawyers of both parties at the impeachment inquiry. There's five minutes of it but it's impressive.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kAn7hhi4SUGood ol Swallowwell. Got the Russia Collusion thing wrong as did main stream media. The guys a joke.

[pritch]

Got the Russia Collusion thing wrong as did main stream media.

Why? Did he say there was no collusion?

[pritch]

Trump likes to claim great business success. Here is a (partial?) list of his failures:
Trump Airlines
Trump Ice
Trump the Game
Trump Steaks
Trump Fire
Trump Power
Trump American Pale Ale
Trump Casinos (multiple failures)
Trump Magazine
Trump Mortgage
Trump University (Court ordered Trump to pay twenty million dollars to victims)
Trump Tampa
Trump Vodka
Trumpnet
Trump Foundation (Found to be fraudulent, ordered to close and to pay two million dollars. Trump and kids banned from being involved with any charity.)
Trump Vitamins
New Jersey Generals
Trump Models
Trump Boardgame
Affliction Entertainment
Go Trump
Tour De Trump
USFL. A rebel football league, Trump insisted they sue the NFL. They won and were awarded one dollar, it folded.

Trump has been bankrupt six times.

Feel free to post a list of his business successes.

[TheDemonLord]

Feel free to post a list of his business successes.

He's a Billionaire.

[pritch]

He's a Billionaire.

According to him, but he lives in a fantasy world. He sued a journalist who said he wasn't a billionaire. Careless of him, he had to produce evidence and of course he didn't have it. The judge asked why he lied, Trump said that was how rich he felt. He lost the case.

It might be accurate to say he feels like a billionaire. Of course he could produce his tax records and then we'd know, but he's trying very hard not do that. And therein probably lies the answer.

[TheDemonLord]

According to him, but he lives in a fantasy world. He sued a journalist who said he wasn't a billionaire. Careless of him, he had to produce evidence and of course he didn't have it. The judge asked why he lied, Trump said that was how rich he felt. He lost the case.

It might be accurate to say he feels like a billionaire. Of course he could produce his tax records and then we'd know, but he's trying very hard not do that. And therein probably lies the answer.

And according to numerous other reputable publications.

However, let's assume that he's not a Billionaire (for the sake of argument) - and he's only a Multi-Millionaire - that still makes him rather successful at business.

Moreso than anyone here.

[pzkpfw]

...
Moreso than anyone here.

Anyone here start at the same point?

[TheDemonLord]

Anyone here start at the same point?

Well, as the naysayers are happily quick to point out - he's declared Bankruptcy before - so that would be a starting point of 0....

[Bonez]

Who cares? The the US public got what they wanted, a shake up of US politics. If Clinton had gotten in it would it would have been a lot worse. Commey still would have been fired. Bumbling Bob may still have had a job possibly as well covering up another WMD like debacle.

[pzkpfw]

Well, as the naysayers are happily quick to point out - he's declared Bankruptcy before - so that would be a starting point of 0....

If you think bankruptcy means naked on the street with no assets, tangible or intangible, you're way off.

[Bonez]

Why? Did he say there was no collusion?

Do keep up. Three independent investigations came to the same conclusion-NO COLLUSION with Russians by Trumps team to effect the outcome of the 2016 US elections.

Nadler, Shift, Wacky Maxine etc going on tele every day for two and a half years made them look like the fools they are.

[husaberg]

Do keep up. Three independent investigations came to the same conclusion-NO COLLUSION with Russians by Trumps team to effect the outcome of the 2016 US elections.

Nadler, Shift, Wacky Maxine etc going on tele every day for two and a half years made them look like the fools they are.
To establish whether a crime was committed by members of the Trump campaign with regard to Russian interference, investigators "applied the framework of conspiracy law", and not the concept of "collusion", because collusion "is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law."
The report found that there was insufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt a criminal conspiracy of the Trump campaign with the Russians, despite ample evidence of cooperation and collaboration. And it declined to make any finding on obstruction of justice, despite a mountain of evidence showing multiple attempts by the president to do exactly that.
Mueller stated on national television that the report did not find that there was “no collusion”
Mueller’s report made no finding on the crime of obstruction of justice despite evidence of multiple attempts at obstruction, apparently because of the Department of Justice ruling that a sitting president cannot be indicted for any crime.
The Mueller Report found that the Russian government "interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion" and "violated U.S. criminal law"
The first method of Russian interference was done through the Internet Research Agency (IRA), waging "a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton". The IRA also sought to "provoke and amplify political and social discord in the United States"
By February 2016, internal IRA documents showed an order to support the candidacies of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, while IRA members were to "use any opportunity to criticize" Hillary Clinton and the rest of the candidates.
Several Trump campaign members (Donald J. Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Kellyanne Conway, Brad Parscale, and Michael Flynn) linked or reposted material from the IRA's @TEN_GOP Twitter account listed above. Other people who responded to IRA social media accounts include Michael McFaul, Sean Hannity, Roger Stone, and Michael G. Flynn (Michael Flynn's son)

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-18/mueller-says-he-lacks-confidence-to-clear-trump-on-obstruction
https://www.cjr.org/first_person/trump-mueller-collusion.php

[Bonez]

No one has been charged with conspiracy NO BODY! All the so called overseas assets were British, Italian, Assie or US intelligence connected.

Stones charged in connection to wikileaks Julian Assange.

[jasonu]

To establish whether a crime was committed by members of the Trump campaign with regard to Russian interference, investigators "applied the framework of conspiracy law", and not the concept of "collusion", because collusion "is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law."
The report found that there was insufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt a criminal conspiracy of the Trump campaign with the Russians, despite ample evidence of cooperation and collaboration. And it declined to make any finding on obstruction of justice, despite a mountain of evidence showing multiple attempts by the president to do exactly that.
Mueller stated on national television that the report did not find that there was “no collusion”
Mueller’s report made no finding on the crime of obstruction of justice despite evidence of multiple attempts at obstruction, apparently because of the Department of Justice ruling that a sitting president cannot be indicted for any crime.
The Mueller Report found that the Russian government "interfered in the 2016 presidential election in sweeping and systematic fashion" and "violated U.S. criminal law"
The first method of Russian interference was done through the Internet Research Agency (IRA), waging "a social media campaign that favored presidential candidate Donald J. Trump and disparaged presidential candidate Hillary Clinton". The IRA also sought to "provoke and amplify political and social discord in the United States"
By February 2016, internal IRA documents showed an order to support the candidacies of Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, while IRA members were to "use any opportunity to criticize" Hillary Clinton and the rest of the candidates.
Several Trump campaign members (Donald J. Trump Jr., Eric Trump, Kellyanne Conway, Brad Parscale, and Michael Flynn) linked or reposted material from the IRA's @TEN_GOP Twitter account listed above. Other people who responded to IRA social media accounts include Michael McFaul, Sean Hannity, Roger Stone, and Michael G. Flynn (Michael Flynn's son)

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-18/mueller-says-he-lacks-confidence-to-clear-trump-on-obstruction
https://www.cjr.org/first_person/trump-mueller-collusion.php

Serious question. Do you honestly think anyone gives a fuck what you say or think or even bothers to read your endless copy and pastes and multiple links to complete bullshit?

[Bonez]

Serious question. Do you honestly think anyone gives a fuck what you say or think or even bothers to read your endless copy and pastes and multiple links to complete bullshit? Authorities have basicly admitted Flynn was set up. Even James Commey admitted it in public.

Obviously never done any REAL research. Probably listens to Fredo and Lemonhead on CNN on youtube as well or that she/he thing on one of the other main networks as well as howled to the moon when Hildabeast didn't get first prize. Been very entertaining watching the ship sink being layed up.

[Berries]

Trump likes to claim great business success. Here is a (partial?) list of his failures:
Trump Airlines
Trump Ice
Trump the Game
Trump Steaks
Trump Fire
Trump Power
Trump American Pale Ale
Trump Casinos (multiple failures)
Trump Magazine
Trump Mortgage
Trump University (Court ordered Trump to pay twenty million dollars to victims)
Trump Tampa
Trump Vodka
Trumpnet
Trump Foundation (Found to be fraudulent, ordered to close and to pay two million dollars. Trump and kids banned from being involved with any charity.)
Trump Vitamins
New Jersey Generals
Trump Models
Trump Boardgame
Affliction Entertainment
Go Trump
Tour De Trump
USFL. A rebel football league, Trump insisted they sue the NFL. They won and were awarded one dollar, it folded.

Trump has been bankrupt six times.

Feel free to post a list of his business successes.
He was on his game in the 70's.

[husaberg]

Do keep up. Three independent investigations came to the same conclusion-NO COLLUSION with Russians by Trumps team to effect the outcome of the 2016 US elections.

Nadler, Shift, Wacky Maxine etc going on tele every day for two and a half years made them look like the fools they are.


To establish whether a crime was committed by members of the Trump campaign with regard to Russian interference, investigators "applied the framework of conspiracy law", and not the concept of "collusion", because collusion "is not a specific offense or theory of liability found in the United States Code, nor is it a term of art in federal criminal law."
The report found that there was insufficient evidence to prove beyond a reasonable doubt a criminal conspiracy of the Trump campaign with the Russians, despite ample evidence of cooperation and collaboration. And it declined to make any finding on obstruction of justice, despite a mountain of evidence showing multiple attempts by the president to do exactly that.
Mueller stated on national television that the report did not find that there was “no collusion”
]


No one has been charged with conspiracy NO BODY! All the so called overseas assets were British, Italian, Assie or US intelligence connected.

Stones charged in connection to wikileaks Julian Assange.

You first claim "no collusion" was established I pointed out it wasnt a offence, you then change tacks to another subject in that no one was charged with conspiracy.
Stick to one subject at a time aye. If everyone involved is so innocent why is it they had to obstruct justice and so many declined to appear for questioning?

[TheDemonLord]

If you think bankruptcy means naked on the street with no assets, tangible or intangible, you're way off.

Of course not - but the point is, he lost most of it and made most of it back.

And regardless of his starting point - he's still been more successful at Business than anyone here.

[pritch]

Do keep up. Three independent investigations came to the same conclusion-NO COLLUSION with Russians by Trumps team to effect the outcome of the 2016 US elections.

.

Bullshit! Read the Mueller report. You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. There was collusion, and there are 10 documented cases of obstruction in the report. Last time I looked the report was still available on the US Justice Dept website.

Nah, you got nothing. Welcome to the ignore function.

[Bonez]

Bullshit! Read the Mueller report. You have absolutely no idea of what you are talking about. There was collusion, and there are 10 documented cases of obstruction in the report. Last time I looked the report was still available on the US Justice Dept website.

Nah, you got nothing. Welcome to the ignore function.Congress and Ratchel Mad cow were kind enough to read it out. Mueller left out a LOT of detail pertenant to the case. Like the background of the contacts and who they contacted before and after meetings. When he went before Congress he looked like a fool obviosly didnt know what wa in it

Awesome first ignor ever. Typical mambies and libtards don't want a decent discussion on the topic.

[Banditbandit]

THE 45 COMMUNIST GOALS AS READ INTO THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD, 1963 - Read more at:- https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/watchwomanonthewall/2011/04/the-45-communist-goals-as-read-into-the-congressional-record-1963.html#Z98FqGpbKC8CY6l8.99 https://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/watchwomanonthewall/2011/04/the-45-communist-goals-as-read-into-the-congressional-record-1963.html - :mellow: - :soon:

That's laughable ....

[TheDemonLord]

That's laughable ....

People used to laugh at McCarthy when he claimed the dirty Commies were funding US Political groups, too....

[Banditbandit]

People used to laugh at McCarthy when he claimed the dirty Commies were funding US Political groups, too....

Oh - I do not disagree that Russia has meddled in US politics for a long time - and that the US has meddled in Soviet.Russian politics ..

But those so called goals of Communism are laughable ...

[TheDemonLord]

Oh - I do not disagree that Russia has meddled in US politics for a long time - and that the US has meddled in Soviet.Russian politics ..

But those so called goals of Communism are laughable ...

Whilst I too would treat those so-called goals with a massive pinch of salt, There is a history of radical left-wing invasions of certain institutions. There have certainly been those of a Communistic persuasion who are well aware of certain sectors of society which tend to have a natural left tilt and have deliberately targeted them for 'radicalisation', with the hope of generating a base of support for the next 'Revolution'

The fact we have a common parlance term 'useful idiots' to describe this...

[Bonez]

Now it looks like you got the swing of it .

IF you can read https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/187338-Back-on-the-road-76-CB550F-Supper-S-port?p=1131147708#post1131147708

[TheDemonLord]

Yes ..

This statement is just as true .

There is a history of radical right-wing invasions of certain institutions. There have certainly been those of a fascist persuasion who are well aware of certain sectors of society which tend to have a natural right tilt and have deliberately targeted them for 'radicalisation', with the hope of generating a base of support for the next takeover ..

Bull.
Shit.

Show me them.

The problem you have is that those of the right-wing persuasion continually seek to categorise and put things in their proper place - it's part of the Orderliness personality trait that is part of the right-wing mindset.

This means they are very good at drawing a line in the sand between what is acceptable and what is unacceptable.

Also of importance is that the Fascist movement was born out of Marxism...

[Banditbandit]

Bull.
Shit.

Show me them.

Go here for a start .

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/29/rightwing-thinktank-conservative-boris-johnson-brexit-atlas-network

Only a start mind you - but you can start with these think tanks - and then follow their memebrship ..


The problem you have is that those of the right-wing persuasion continually seek to categorise and put things in their proper place - it's part of the Orderliness personality trait that is part of the right-wing mindset.

I'm not sure what you mean here ...


This means they are very good at drawing a line in the sand between what is acceptable and what is unacceptable.

Only to themselves ..


Also of importance is that the Fascist movement was born out of Marxism...

Oh - that is outrageously funny ..

The Fascist Movement PROVED Marx was wrong ....

[TheDemonLord]

Go here for a start .

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/29/rightwing-thinktank-conservative-boris-johnson-brexit-atlas-network

Only a start mind you - but you can start with these think tanks - and then follow their memebrship ..

Not a single open Fascist amongst them. Now, It's the Guardian which means everyone who isn't Karl Marx is Radical Right-wing, however, mocking the Guardian aside - the people that it claims to be 'far-right' there's a two-fold burden of proof:

1: Do they self-declare as a Fascist? (I've got a myriad of examples of people happy to self-declare they are a Socialist or Communist)
2: Do any of the policies they advance fall within the auspices of actual Fascism?

I await the examples that meet both of those criteria - and just so you know, when you provide them, I'll refer to the entire UK Labour party in my retort - full of open Socialists who espouse Socialist policies.


I'm not sure what you mean here ...

Only to themselves ..

One of the temperamental factors of what is 'right wing' is wanting to put everything in it's appropriate category and ring-fence it - from Trumps 'Build the Wall'


Oh - that is outrageously funny ..

The Fascist Movement PROVED Marx was wrong ....

Funny or not, it's still a historical record that all of the Fascist thinkers were initially Marxists.

[Bonez]

Andy Ngo got bashed/beaten to the point he had a brain hemourage by ANTIFA, a so called anti-facsist movement in the US for no other reason than recording their anticts. The Portland police didn't even assist him to medical services. Love watching Tiny and co. beating these fuckers up. BAMN is just as bad. One leader, a school teacher, finally got sent to jail. Another, this time a male teacher bike locked someone and got sent to the clink as well. The Police Commisioner/Mayor of Portland Origon supports these thugs and told the police to stand down on a number of occasions. Quite a number of cops have quit.

Both groups have injured innocent folk and done extensive damage to property both private and public in the name of the cause.

I bet Bozo No. 1 and West Coast Bozo have absolutely no idea at all about these idiots funded in part by George Soros. Taranaki Bozo has no real input.

[oldrider]

Tweet-toon with serious overtones:- https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/1204950013656391689?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F

[Bonez]

The Bozos can't even offer an argument. Let alone have a decent discussion. BTW did you know being anti Arab is being antisimatic? Note I didn't say anti-Muslum before you jump to some irrational conclution.

Of course you wont because you obviuosly get your facts from cartoons off Twitter.

[onearmedbandit]

This thread is moderated pretty loosely, I'm happy to let it burble along occasionally going off topic slightly or a little bit of harmless banter. But I've just removed 70 posts of bullshit. Keep it up like that and I'll put the whole thread into pointless drivel.

[mashman]

et le chars 343884

[Bonez]

Bozos should start by reading this https://newrepublic.com/article/154042/failure-define-fascism-today Let's see if they come back with a discussion worthy response.

[sugilite]

For those that think Trump is some sort of tough guy, but is not dirty.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/118149252/donald-trump-pays-3m-fine-for-misusing-his-charitys-money

As mentioned, any republican except religious freak pence would do a better job.
Impeachment hearings are a complete waste of time. The Republican senate will give the orange turd a pass, and the partisan percentages/lines will change little.
Democrats are being stoopid, and do not have a clear cut contender, and it is getting a bit too late to find one.
US politics are in poor shape when they cannot even find a competent and honest person from either side to apply for the job.

So yeah, My mind is changing as I think there is possibly enough gullible Americans out there that think he is doing a good job and reelect him.
A dishonest business man who has a jail cell waiting for him for the tax shenanigans alone, be that after a first or second term. That is what is waiting for him, and pretty sure he knows it. Unless he drops dead from health issues first.

[Bonez]

I think the Dems are still hoping Hilldebeast will jump in at the last minute. The Clintons literalliy own that party. Have done for years.

Trump is pulling huge crowds at his rallies, so is Pence and they are getting bigger. Their team have got the marketing right. Some swing states are starting to shift red. More blacks and latinos are starting to switch. Even some jewish districts are flipping. Dems are basicly bankrupt as far as funds go. They are trying to change electoral districs to get an edge but I don't think that is going to help them at all.

[TheDemonLord]

Saw on the News that Trump has mocked Greta again.

Just when I thought I couldn't like him any more....

[sugilite]

Yeah, one big kid picking on a little kid - classy stuff.

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah, one big kid picking on a little kid - classy stuff.

One little Kid....


Who is being used as a puppet by both her Parents and wider left-wing activists.

You can spare me the 'oh won't someone think of the Children' until you are prepared to level equal scorn at those who put her in the Spotlight.

[sugilite]

So, she is open game for a butt sore United States President to have a go at her for getting the award he coveted because of her parenting? I'm sure you would be just fine if the POTUS publicly ridiculed your daughter because he did not approve of your parenting slants?
Trump even had a fake Time Magazine cover with himself on the cover hanging in Marlago. Yep, simply the perfect paper thin skinned man for the so called most powerful job in the World.

Do you not find it odd that a self proclaimed multi millionaire/billionaire (depending on which interview you see) feels the need to pilfer from a charity he owns and runs?
I'll wait for your justifications on why he felt entitled to do that with baited :sleep:

[Bonez]

You can put anything you want on the the walls of the property you own. Straw man argument at best.

If they wanted to get rid of him he would have been assassinated a long time ago. Of course there's ben a few failed attempts. Some one is looking after his back.

[sugilite]

Personal opinion. We get to express them here.

[Bonez]

And I put forward mine. Or are we no allowad to respond to other members posts in a civil manner?

[sugilite]

I did, and you did - so we did.

[TheDemonLord]

So, she is open game for a butt sore United States President to have a go at her for getting the award he coveted because of her parenting? I'm sure you would be just fine if the POTUS publicly ridiculed your daughter because he did not approve of your parenting slants?
Trump even had a fake Time Magazine cover with himself on the cover hanging in Marlago. Yep, simply the perfect paper thin skinned man for the so called most powerful job in the World.

Do you not find it odd that a self proclaimed multi millionaire/billionaire (depending on which interview you see) feels the need to pilfer from a charity he owns and runs?
I'll wait for your justifications on why he felt entitled to do that with baited :sleep:

I wouldn't thrust any of my children into the limelight for my personal political Gain.

Does that answer the question?

If not - more specifically - lets forgo the fact she is being used by special interest groups in a way that I think is utterly reprehensible for the moment - She wants to step up to the world stage and be a global figure, That means she's stepped into the ring, voluntarily* - and now you are complaining when she's taken a hit?

It doesn't matter who is throwing the metaphorical punches, the exit from public life and the criticism is very easy (and maybe even preferable)

Now onto the part I marked with an asterisk - If you want to play the 'but she's a child' card - then you have to play it to it's logical conclusion, that as a Child she doesn't have any agency and so everything that is happening is at the behest of her Parents and the organizations that they are affiliated with. They are (ab)using a child for their political means.

As I said - You can critique Trump when you critique her parents and the organizations that are pushing this with Equal Venom.

To end - I remember a time when people hanging on street corners with signs saying 'The end is Nigh' were ridiculed - what a strange time we live in when they give speeches at the UN and are Time Person of the Year...

[Bonez]

When I enter politics no matter the age you are fair game full stop.

RGB tried to push for the age of consent to be dropped to 12. A great forward thinker she is.

[oldrider]

Trump signs executive order aimed at suppressing criticism of Israel? - https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/12/anti-d12.html - Why? - :scratch: - Think about that? - MAGA or MIGA? :shifty:

[austingtir]

Its a CULT!!!!

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[austingtir]

:laugh:

https://i.imgur.com/qrwNyBw.jpg

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[sugilite]

I wouldn't thrust any of my children into the limelight for my personal political Gain.

Does that answer the question?

If not - more specifically - lets forgo the fact she is being used by special interest groups in a way that I think is utterly reprehensible for the moment - She wants to step up to the world stage and be a global figure, That means she's stepped into the ring, voluntarily* - and now you are complaining when she's taken a hit?

It doesn't matter who is throwing the metaphorical punches, the exit from public life and the criticism is very easy (and maybe even preferable)

Now onto the part I marked with an asterisk - If you want to play the 'but she's a child' card - then you have to play it to it's logical conclusion, that as a Child she doesn't have any agency and so everything that is happening is at the behest of her Parents and the organizations that they are affiliated with. They are (ab)using a child for their political means.

As I said - You can critique Trump when you critique her parents and the organizations that are pushing this with Equal Venom.

To end - I remember a time when people hanging on street corners with signs saying 'The end is Nigh' were ridiculed - what a strange time we live in when they give speeches at the UN and are Time Person of the Year...

You are back to the habit of putting A LOT of words in my mouth.
What I simply say is that any president that feels the need to tweet disparaging remarks about a 14? year old kid is in my opinion beneath the office.
I have only bothered to watch one clip of her and she was very angry, shitty and over dramatic (an average young teen girl in my experience), thus a lot of her message in my opinion was lost. My opinion and knowledge of her ends at that point. And I don't care enough about her to look any deeper.

Nut shell time on my Trump is President opinions.

A Good president is honest and to the best of their ability stick with their word.
A Good president is empathetic, but not to the point of attempting to wrap everyone's problem in cotton wool.
A Good president is able to work with others for the best possible results, even if their ideology different from them - they are able to get over themselves to achieve what is best for the majority.
A Good president is respected by other World leaders and thus taken seriously.
A Good president has a broad knowledge of social habits, impacts of foreign policies, and a shit load more pieces of the puzzle that need to be analyzed, understood and placed together in the best possible way for the good of the people.

Is Trump any of the above? My opinion from all I have seen that answer is a resounding no.
And no, his alleged skills with money in no way override all of the above.

A lot of people take great pleasure in him triggering the left and making the democrats look stupid - and he does that brilliantly - the thing he is best at.
But what position on the list of presidential talents should that skill lay?
Pretty fuckin low in my opinion.

[TheDemonLord]

You are back to the habit of putting A LOT of words in my mouth.

How so? Most of what I posted was my opinion on Greta - the only thing I attributed to you was the 'think of the Children' card.


What I simply say is that any president that feels the need to tweet disparaging remarks about a 14? year old kid is in my opinion beneath the office.

She's on the world stage, trying to change global Policy - that makes her fair game.


I have only bothered to watch one clip of her and she was very angry, shitty and over dramatic (an average young teen girl in my experience), thus a lot of her message in my opinion was lost. My opinion and knowledge of her ends at that point. And I don't care enough about her to look any deeper.

You aren't missing much.


A Good president is honest and to the best of their ability stick with their word.

He's done as good as, if not better job than the last 3? Presidents at sticking to his word, in my opinion.


A Good president is empathetic, but not to the point of attempting to wrap everyone's problem in cotton wool.

Now, the popular opinion will be that Trump doesn't care - and there's certainly instances that will no doubt be pointed to, to back that at. However - to me at least, Trump has no time for people pro-porting to be the Victim, whilst having massive activist/media/political backing.


A Good president is able to work with others for the best possible results, even if their ideology different from them - they are able to get over themselves to achieve what is best for the majority.

He's done so on a number of issues - can the same be said for the Democrats? They regard him as Evil Incarnate, yet he still soldiers on.


A Good president is respected by other World leaders and thus taken seriously.

It's funny how much respect and seriousness they defer to him, when they want something from the US, however the Mocking the he receives is more a slight against the other World Leaders who have their noses out of joint, than anything on Trump.


A Good president has a broad knowledge of social habits, impacts of foreign policies, and a shit load more pieces of the puzzle that need to be analyzed, understood and placed together in the best possible way for the good of the people.

It seems like your standard for being a good president is Omniscience... I'll also raise the Historically, most US presidents have been guilty of multiple faux pas in regards to Foreign Knowledge/customs etc. This is not to say that Trump shouldn't or couldn't be better, nor is this to say that I think you are wrong on this point, however as an aside - I can think of a few things that dear old Aunty Cindy has done that fall foul of that standard - so take from that what you will.


Is Trump any of the above? My opinion from all I have seen that answer is a resounding no.
And no, his alleged skills with money in no way override all of the above.

A lot of people take great pleasure in him triggering the left and making the democrats look stupid - and he does that brilliantly - the thing he is best at.
But what position on the list of presidential talents should that skill lay?
Pretty fuckin low in my opinion.

I've put my comments in line, however, your last comment I think deserves some discussion.

You say he makes the Democrats look stupid. Would it be fair to say then, that he outsmarts them?

Now to put that in the context of what we are discussing - Which organization is the better option - the one that finds itself regularly outsmarted, or the one doing the outsmarting?

The skillset required to maneuver your political opponents into where you want them very well with the skills required for all forms of Diplomacy and Politics - and so, by your tacit omission - yes, Trump IS a good president.

To go one step further, if the Democrats would spend 5 minutes of introspection and see (which is plain to anyone who isn't an ideological Zealot) where they have made their mistakes, they could easily defeat Trump. That they are not willing to do so should make a rational person more concerned about that Party than ANYTHING Trump has said (alleged or otherwise) or done (also, alleged or otherwise).

[pritch]

Trump even had a fake Time Magazine cover with himself on the cover hanging in Marlago.


That was apparently hung in all his US golf courses, not just Mar a Lard o.

Yesterday while addressing a Hanuka gathering Trump referred to his time in the military. Another fantasy. Now vets are wanting to see X rays of his feet because bone spurs are permanent. Veterans generally don't much like wannabes. They've got no show though, years later the world is still waiting for the promised tax returns.

The Trump Foundation problems were way more comprehensive than "pilfering". David Farenthold won a Pulitzer for his reporting on the subject. https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/david-fahrenthold

[Bonez]

Trump signs executive order aimed at suppressing criticism of Israel? - https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2019/12/12/anti-d12.html - Why? - :scratch: - Think about that? - MAGA or MIGA? :shifty:
Why is that even surprising? Trump/Pence have said they'll support Israel from the very beginning. It's surprising it wasn't done earlier. Elections are coming up so more votes. Bet Shift(who has dual Israeli and US citizenship) and Co. to the punch as well.

Congrats though for at least providing something a bit more substantial than cartoons.

[Bonez]

That was apparently hung in all his US golf courses, not just Mar a Lard Go[/url]So hearsay are facts now? You guys better wake up to reality.

I know you can read this pritch.

[Laava]

So hearsay are facts now? You guys better wake up to reality.

I know you can read this pritch.
What? The bonez reality? Lol, you are no better equipped to know what is going on than anyone else. Unless you're special. Are you special?

[Bonez]

What? The bonez reality? Lol, you are no better equipped to know what is going on than anyone else. Unless you're special. Are you special?You obviosily haven't taken heed of OAB warning have you?

[Laava]

https://www.ducatiforum.co.uk/attachments/fb_img_1576190685609-jpg.179081/

[Laava]

Cheer the fuck up people!


https://youtu.be/8iEB8bfP7wE

[sugilite]

How so? Most of what I posted was my opinion on Greta - the only thing I attributed to you was the 'think of the Children' card.



She's on the world stage, trying to change global Policy - that makes her fair game.



You aren't missing much.
Hence my total lack of interest in learning her background.



He's done as good as, if not better job than the last 3? Presidents at sticking to his word, in my opinion.
Sticking to his word - surely you jest? He flip flops more than a just landed feisty king salmon.




Now, the popular opinion will be that Trump doesn't care - and there's certainly instances that will no doubt be pointed to, to back that at. However - to me at least, Trump has no time for people pro-porting to be the Victim, whilst having massive activist/media/political backing.
You mean paper towels did not fix the Puerto Rico disaster?




He's done so on a number of issues - can the same be said for the Democrats? They regard him as Evil Incarnate, yet he still soldiers on.
Right, and if course his minion turtle fuck face McConnell is burying every thing before the senate regardless of merit - give me a break.




It's funny how much respect and seriousness they defer to him, when they want something from the US, however the Mocking the he receives is more a slight against the other World Leaders who have their noses out of joint, than anything on Trump.
Respect must be earned, the man cannot help but pillage any savings he may of banked on the odd occasion. He is a total fuckwad.




It seems like your standard for being a good president is Omniscience... I'll also raise the Historically, most US presidents have been guilty of multiple faux pas in regards to Foreign Knowledge/customs etc. This is not to say that Trump shouldn't or couldn't be better, nor is this to say that I think you are wrong on this point, however as an aside - I can think of a few things that dear old Aunty Cindy has done that fall foul of that standard - so take from that what you will.
Yeah sure, nobody's perfect, it takes me back to my opinion that for the most part, the people that want power are often the worst kind of people to wield it. I like the idea of democracy, I really do. Just a shame it will never truly work because of, you know - humans. Guess that can apply to any political ideology you could mention.
And sure, Cindy has dropped the ball plenty and in my opinion, her and labor have fallen well short of what should of been done. When I left NZ it was a national Government, when I returned it was a labor one. And what has fundamentally changed? Sweet fuck all thats what. Same goes for which ever party is in power in the USA. The whole political left/right thing bemuses me. It is always the same ring circus, just a different bunch of clowns performing in the big "act". While in the real world the shadowy overlords that really run the show go about their business as usual. And no, I do not know their names or have their email addresses for you - or can even prove their existence.




I've put my comments in line, however, your last comment I think deserves some discussion.

You say he makes the Democrats look stupid. Would it be fair to say then, that he outsmarts them?
Oh hell no, the Democrats are quite capable of looking stupid all on their own. Though Trump gives a near master class in the subject on a near daily basis - Rampant toilet flushing?


Now to put that in the context of what we are discussing - Which organization is the better option - the one that finds itself regularly outsmarted, or the one doing the outsmarting?
Like in the big Government shutdown? I do not rate either one of the two parties as being "smarter".


The skillset required to maneuver your political opponents into where you want them very well with the skills required for all forms of Diplomacy and Politics - and so, by your tacit omission - yes, Trump IS a good president.

Example of Trumps inexperience: The easy to win trade war with China - get the gun out and shoot the enemy in the foot and then shooting his own foot. Good political maneuvering?
Yes, China needed to be called out, but a trade war? - historically no winners, won't be any different this time.
My admission is Trump is a very very good reality tv host. Lets see his tax returns and judge his business acumen. Total inept and shit president. A clown that comes with makeup already applied.


To go one step further, if the Democrats would spend 5 minutes of introspection and see (which is plain to anyone who isn't an ideological Zealot) where they have made their mistakes, they could easily defeat Trump. That they are not willing to do so should make a rational person more concerned about that Party than ANYTHING Trump has said (alleged or otherwise) or done (also, alleged or otherwise).

I agree, they are all losers, the lot of them.


Now it is back off to finish building my workshop so I can get my best ever therapist back on the road. The more I ring her neck, the more she tells me everything will be all right. vrOMMMMM vrOMMMM. My kinda meditation :ride:

[Bonez]

So Trump introducing new prison reforms with Van Jones wasn't a good move?

I see the class clown is being ignored.

[pritch]

The ignore function works fine until somebody quotes the inanities I would otherwise have avoided.

Sarge, former KBer and US Marine, evidently had an ignore list of epic proportions. Before he left Big Dave said his was growing fast too. Mine has always been of modest size, it used to be just Cassina.

Trolls are not worth the time it takes to confirm they're actually a troll and not just stupid. Sealions are similar. A modest but growing ignore list allows me to face the day with unruffled equanimity.

It'll soon be wine o' clock. Have a good weekend y'all. Ride safe.

[Bonez]

I don't think anyone actually cares pritch. This place isn't a Dear Aunt Nelly site.

My military pention has just kicked in so more petrol money.

[mashman]

Trump has begun 2024 campaign and is eligible to serve third term, senior Republican says (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-begun-2024-campaign-eligible-015357541.html)

[jasonu]

The ignore function works fine until somebody quotes the inanities I would otherwise have avoided.

Sarge, former KBer and US Marine, evidently had an ignore list of epic proportions. Before he left Big Dave said his was growing fast too. Mine has always been of modest size, it used to be just Cassina.

Trolls are not worth the time it takes to confirm they're actually a troll and not just stupid though. Sealions are similar. A modest but growing ignore list allows me to face the day with unruffled equanimity.

It'll soon be wine o' clock. Have a good weekend y'all. Ride safe.

Pretty soon you'll be arguing with yourself ya silly old git.

[oldrider]

The Warfare State Lied About Afghanistan, Iraq, & Syria. They Will Lie Again! - (Really?) - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/warfare-state-lied-about-afghanistan-iraq-syria-they-will-lie-again - Well don't hold your breath but Iran springs readily to mind! - :whistle:

[Bonez]

Obama got the Noble Peace prize then started a couple of wars and ruined a few countries so Trump is entitled to his bite at the apple.

[Bonez]

Trump has begun 2024 campaign and is eligible to serve third term, senior Republican says (https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-begun-2024-campaign-eligible-015357541.html)He he. That'll get the Bozos to curl up into the fetal position.

Even if it is just a wind up it will be entertaining to watch. Mike has a great sense of humour.

[mashman]

He he. That'll get the Bozos to curl up into the fetal position.

Even if it is just a wind up it will be entertaining to watch. Mike has a great sense of humour.

Saw another with a Democrat saying that he'll vote against impeachment. No evidence and entrenching Trump being the reasons cited to just not go there. The funny thing is, is that the publican has a point and I wouldn't put it past Trump to go for, and get, that third term. Bonus points for draining some of the swamp as he goes about it. No third term if he doesn't.

[Bonez]

Yeah I can see some of the more sensible Dems getting sick of towing the party line. Chuck and Nancy have lied in public on a number of times about Trumps behavior at meetings.

Trump has nothing to lose by trying. As I mentioned It'll be very entertaining if he does. The thing folk tend tto forget is that the US Constitution is a living document and can be amended. The first 2.5years Trump and team went through a lot of crap. It was pretty obvious Mueller had finished his investigation well before the US mid terms. Thank goodness AG Barr, a close friend of Muellers, gave him a kick up the arse. Rosenstien was partly to blame to and got off relatively scott free. Mueller was to come out up with a clear cut n dry decision not some mamby pamby ramble so that left Barr and Rosenstien, his bosses, to make the final decision.

[sugilite]

Naaa, no third term for Trump, the burgers will get him before that can happen.

[pritch]

I see Surly Rubec is currently viewing this page. Joined 2006, hasn't posted since 2008? Post away dude.

[oldrider]

If Trump is a threatening tyrant, why did Democrats just agree to give him $730bn for the military? :- https://www.rt.com/op-ed/475742-trump-democrats-military-funding-support/ - :msn-wink: