The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[TheDemonLord]

To keep it simple for TDL, I don't agree with anything Trump said. There is almost zero history of fraudulent postal voting in the US. Voter fraud in the US is so low as to be almost non-existent and has been for many years.

Republicans are the party of old white guys, the way the USA used to be. The USA is not like that now, and there's no way they will normally ever win a fair election. So they resort to voter suppression, gerrymandering, and electoral fraud. It's all they've got.

People want to vote by mail because it's safer during a pandemic. That would facilitate big voter participation which the Republicans don't want. Thus we have Trump's masterplan.

People, including TDL, can dream up whatever fictional reasons they like but there is nothing wrong with postal voting. Our local body elections were 100% postal and there were no witness signatures required, nor any of the other bullshit he's peddling. I don't seem to recall any uproar about fraudulent voting?

Thus proving my point about the Framing of the issue better than I could have myself.

Not to mention entirely contradictory - if "Voter fraud is almost non-existent and has been for many years" then how come "there's no way they (the Republicans) will normally ever win a fair election. So they resort to voter suppression, gerrymandering, and electoral fraud. It's all they've got" - when they've won both the most recent one and were in office from 2001 to 2009 - is that not included in the auspices of 'For many years'

Which is it Pritch?

Is there Voter Fraud, Suppression and Gerrymandering or are the Republicans able to win fairly?

[Bonez]

To keep it simple for TDL, I don't agree with anything Trump said*. There is almost zero history of fraudulent postal voting in the US. Voter fraud in the US is so low as to be almost non-existent and has been for many years. .Incorrect. There have been plenty of fraudulent postal votes. Like votes from folk who have moved out of a particular area, letting the local authorities know, apparently voted twice postal from their old place and physical voting from their new area. Postal votes by deceased people is another example.

In 2016 what party did that bitch come from who was the last area to put in their votes and later found a huge amount were still in trucks unsorted, back of cars unsorted and in back rooms unsorted?

[pritch]

Not to mention entirely contradictory - if "Voter fraud is almost non-existent and has been for many years" then how come "there's no way they (the Republicans) will normally ever win a fair election. So they resort to voter suppression, gerrymandering, and electoral fraud. It's all they've got" - when they've won both the most recent one and were in office from 2001 to 2009 - is that not included in the auspices of 'For many years'

Which is it Pritch?

Is there Voter Fraud, Suppression and Gerrymandering or are the Republicans able to win fairly?

There is no contradiction, although it does appear there is a comprehension problem. There is a difference between voter fraud and electoral fraud. The latter has been rampant. There has been a huge amount written about this but it's obvious you haven't read it, and I don't want to write a book about it.

If you read the history you come across details like the questions black people had to answer to be permitted to vote. One sample questionnaire I saw there was no right answer to any of the carefully crafted questions. Others were less creative, "How many jellybeans in the jar?"

In more recent history the Supreme Court permitted the introduction of voter ID requirements - although there was no history of fraud. Some states are using this to suppress voting. One red state is very selective about approving ID: student ID is not acceptable, the state welfare ID card is not acceptable, a hunting licence, however, is.

Some of the states are less subtle as in Florida where they purge the rolls. They just delete tens of thousands of names from the electoral rolls. Needless to say they are selective about how they do this.

The Democrats went to sleep on the job the last time there was a boundary redrawing. The Republicans went hard after State political seats. They took many off the Dems who didn't care because Obama had been re-elected and they thought they had won the big prize. Wrong! The boundaries were redrawn to hugely favour the Republicans using new, specialised, software. That's an interesting story on its own.

There's more hanging on this election than just getting rid of an unfit, incompetent, corrupt, mental case, president. It will be boundary redrawing time again.

Vote suppression, gerrymandering and electoral fraud are real, but they are not voter fraud.

[pritch]

Just came across this on The Washington Post web site. Scroll down past the Westerhout item to the video clip.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/17/painful-lessons-madeleine-westerhouts-white-house-years/

[TheDemonLord]

There is no contradiction, although it does appear there is a comprehension problem. There is a difference between voter fraud and electoral fraud. The latter has been rampant. There has been a huge amount written about this but it's obvious you haven't read it, and I don't want to write a book about it.

Ah I see, so it's only a problem when the side you don't like does it or when it doesn't work in your favour - got it.


If you read the history you come across details like the questions black people had to answer to be permitted to vote. One sample questionnaire I saw there was no right answer to any of the carefully crafted questions. Others were less creative, "How many jellybeans in the jar?"

And when were those Questionnaires last used? Circa 1950 I believe?


In more recent history the Supreme Court permitted the introduction of voter ID requirements - although there was no history of fraud. Some states are using this to suppress voting. One red state is very selective about approving ID: student ID is not acceptable, the state welfare ID card is not acceptable, a hunting licence, however, is.

I suspect if we look closer at the example, we'll find that one is a Photo ID issued directly by the State and the other is not.

As for Voter ID - I carry 2 forms of Government issued Photo ID on myself at all times (unless I've forgotten my Wallet), so if I can do it, why can't everyone else do it? It's not exactly difficult to obtain a Government ID.


Some of the states are less subtle as in Florida where they purge the rolls. They just delete tens of thousands of names from the electoral rolls. Needless to say they are selective about how they do this.

The Democrats went to sleep on the job the last time there was a boundary redrawing. The Republicans went hard after State political seats. They took many off the Dems who didn't care because Obama had been re-elected and they thought they had won the big prize. Wrong! The boundaries were redrawn to hugely favour the Republicans using new, specialised, software. That's an interesting story on its own.

There's more hanging on this election than just getting rid of an unfit, incompetent, corrupt, mental case, president. It will be boundary redrawing time again.

Vote suppression, gerrymandering and electoral fraud are real, but they are not voter fraud.

So, were all these Vote Suppression, Gerrymandering and Electoral Fraud practices going on when Obama was elected? How come they didn't work then but did for Trump and Bush?

[Bonez]

There is no contradiction, although it does appear there is a comprehension problem. There is a difference between voter fraud and electoral fraud. This deserves to be in someones sig.

[pritch]

Ah I see, so it's only a problem when the side you don't like does it or when it doesn't work in your favour - got it.


OK so you've reverted to complete nonsense again.



And when were those Questionnaires last used? Circa 1950 I believe?


That's why the word "history" was included. The same people that used to do that are now using IDs to suppress votes.



I suspect if we look closer at the example, we'll find that one is a Photo ID issued directly by the State and the other is not.


I suspect not. You managed to conclude that the state welfare ID is not issued by the state?



As for Voter ID - I carry 2 forms of Government issued Photo ID on myself at all times (unless I've forgotten my Wallet), so if I can do it, why can't everyone else do it? It's not exactly difficult to obtain a Government ID.

Yes, I also generally have two government forms of ID but I don't live in the USA.

In the USA it's one thing for a white person to obtain ID, it's an entirely different thing if you happen to be poor or black. Prior to the last election many DMV offices in predominantly black areas were closed. It's possible to be white and live in the USA with no clue as to what's actually happening for other people.




So, were all these Vote Suppression, Gerrymandering and Electoral Fraud practices going on when Obama was elected? How come they didn't work then but did for Trump and Bush?

Yes, but the voter turnout was huge. A huge turnout will beat the gerrymandering.

The Democrats want a huge turnout this time, Trump wants the opposite and he is working to achieve that.

I'm not qualified to explain this stuff to you, I have no special needs training. Back on ignore you go.

[Bonez]

OK so you've reverted to complete nonsense again.Oh the irony.....:brick:

[Bonez]

I'm not qualified to explain this stuff to you, I have no special needs training. Back on ignore you go.No body really cares pritch. You peak anyway. You have no training on anything significant judging from your postings over the last eight months.

[Viking01]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/08/17/what-disgrace-pentagon-weighing-22-billion-cuts-military-healthcare-just-after

[husaberg]

Not much has changed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSx-N9ayCvU&list=PL6WoDXPMkgr5sMza_dXuY3wq4ubYY__gx&index=2970

In the comments
Trump is starting to make George W. Bush look like Stephen Hawking.

Trump supporters are still the same as well.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzDhm808oU4

[TheDemonLord]

OK so you've reverted to complete nonsense again.

Just demonstrating a Hypocrisy on your part.


That's why the word "history" was included. The same people that used to do that are now using IDs to suppress votes.

The same people?!? The people that wrote those laws are DEAD. Why are you bringing up what happened 70 years ago as if it has some bearing on what is happening now? Especially it was you, yourself that claimed 'Recent years' - Moving the Goalposts much?


I suspect not. You managed to conclude that the state welfare ID is not issued by the state?

Did you miss the word 'Photo'?


Yes, I also generally have two government forms of ID but I don't live in the USA.

In the USA it's one thing for a white person to obtain ID, it's an entirely different thing if you happen to be poor or black. Prior to the last election many DMV offices in predominantly black areas were closed. It's possible to be white and live in the USA with no clue as to what's actually happening for other people.

So, you can do it, I can do it - but those poor black people, somehow, they are incapable of doing it... This is called the Bigotry of low-expectations.


Yes, but the voter turnout was huge. A huge turnout will beat the gerrymandering.

The Democrats want a huge turnout this time, Trump wants the opposite and he is working to achieve that.

You got a source for that? Considering that it was only the African American demographic that had a significant change in voter turnout between Obama and Trump,


I'm not qualified to explain this stuff to you, I have no special needs training. Back on ignore you go.

That's it...

Run away with your tail between your legs when you reach the limits of trying to peddle your bullshit.

[mashman]

They're not out to get you, unless they're out to get you and get caught doing it. Dem chickens, Dem chickens, Dem chickens comin' home to roost.
(https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/world/ex-fbi-lawyer-plead-guilty-in-trump-russia-probe-review)

[jasonu]

I'm not qualified to explain this stuff to you, .

1st thing you have got right in forever.

[Bonez]

That's it...

Run away with your tail between your legs when you reach the limits of trying to peddle your bullshit.
He did that the first week I was back on KB Nov last year lol. pritch can not handle opinions of others. Especially if those opinions have links and facts to back them up. He also obviously doesn't realise that you can ignore posters without even announcing you are putting them on ignore nor. Works a treat I've found.

Off to make a cheese and onion toasty pie for Connie.........

[Viking01]

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2016/us-elections-2016-who-can-vote/index.html

[Bonez]

https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2016/us-elections-2016-who-can-vote/index.htmlWhere? All I see is links to ancient history We are still waiting for Shift to show his evidence "in plain view" he was blabbering about for months.

[pete376403]

Where? All I see is links to ancient history We are still waiting for Shift to show his evidence "in plain view" he was blabbering about for months.

2013 is "ancient history"? Did you read the whole thing? CAN you read the whole thing?

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fUDIucr2eo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xecEV4dSAXE

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qv9sH5ptgRA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io5V8JBHWb0
Nuking hurricanes
civil war airfields
The invisible jets
the washed coal so it was clean...........
big water ocean water and it wet
noise from windmills causes Cancer
putting disinfectant in your body to cure covid

missing
whats happened last night in Sweden
The sharpie hurricane addition.
Paris is no longer Paris
his father was an immigrant
raking the forests "floor" like finland to prevent fires
the "Oranges" of the Muller investigation

[pritch]

Only when Trump is gone from office will we learn what an imbecile he really is.

This is amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCQqmHU0rk4

[Viking01]

Only when Trump is gone from office will we learn what an imbecile he really is.

This is amazing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCQqmHU0rk4

Don't worry. We were going to sell him Iceland - we figured that he wouldn't notice the difference ..... 8-)

[Laava]

Don't worry. We were going to sell him Iceland - we figured that he wouldn't notice the difference ..... 8-)
Make a great golf course!

[pritch]

Don't worry. We were going to sell him Iceland - we figured that he wouldn't notice the difference ..... 8-)

In case it's of interest? Noraly, she of Itchy Boots fame on YouTube, is heading to Iceland on her latest travel adventure. Her Enfield is stuck in Peru so she has bought a Honda 500 twin to explore closer to home.

She explained that Iceland appealed because she is a geologist.

[pritch]

:devil2: :whistle:

[Laava]

In case it's of interest? Noraly, she of Itchy Boots fame on YouTube, is heading to Iceland on her latest travel adventure. Her Enfield is stuck in Peru so she has bought a Honda 500 twin to explore closer to home.

She explained that Iceland appealed because she is a geologist.
I was there last year in May for a week. Amazing place, full of tourists. I know now that a lot of the local people would rather not have the tourists there but they have geared up for tourism massively. There is not a lot of industry there and fishing used to be much bigger than it is now...
but I will be interested in Noraly's view as well...

[Katman]

...
but I will be interested in Noraly's view as well...

I'm sure it will mean a lot to her.

[Laava]

I'm sure it will mean a lot to her.
what a funny, bitter little dryballs you are!

[Bonez]

what a funny, bitter little dryballs you are!Oh the irony.

[Laava]

Oh the irony.
I see you are using Katmoms catchphrase now? Too stupid to come up with one of your own?

[Bonez]

I see you are using Katmoms catchphrase now? Too stupid to come up with one of your own?Oh the irony....:tugger: And thank you most kindly for the fabulous rep comment but I'm happily married luv.

[pritch]

I see Steve Bannon has been arrested for fraud. "Only the best people."

There is a nice clip on YouTube where Donald Trump Jr is praising the fraudsters as a great example of capitalist initiative but it's 12 minutes long, and 12 minutes of Jr is much too much.

This is the guts of it...

[pritch]

Trump’s personal lawyer: Guilty.

Trump’s campaign manager: Guilty.

Trump’s deputy campaign manager: Guilty.

Trump’s National Security Advisor: Guilty.

Trump’s political advisor: Guilty.

And now, Trump’s chief strategist: Indicted.

Only the best people...

[Viking01]

There's always more to the story :

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/08/using-koch-money-cato-institute-has-led-the-drumbeat-to-denigrate-and-privatize-the-u-s-postal-service/

[pritch]

There's always more to the story :


There have been references to Koch in the coverage, I think it's acknowledged he was behind much of the current skullduggery.

The Koch brothers, as it was, have been behind a lot of the right wing policies in the States, their dark money even buying local elections.

The only contact we've had with them that I'm aware of was when brother Larry came to NZ with his Americas Cup challenge. He was not part of the family business though, too much the loose cannon.

[pritch]

Bikers for Trump could give all bikers a bad name. These numbnuts are protested the DNC convention.

The DNC convention is a virtual convention this year, the people appearing are streaming from where they live, not from Milwaukee. There's probably just some campaign management types and a bunch of technical people at the convention centre. The guests and delegates are all over the United States. So revving their engines outside the convention centre might make them feel good but it just makes them look stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1a9Bq2ec3Q

[Viking01]

There have been references to Koch in the coverage, I think it's acknowledged he was behind much of the current skullduggery.

The Koch brothers, as it was, have been behind a lot of the right wing policies in the States, their dark money even buying local elections.

As you said ....

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/08/steve-bannon-is-arrested-for-nonprofit-fraud-after-using-an-octopus-of-nonprofits-to-help-elect-trump/

[pritch]

News overnight that a judge has ordered Trump to pay Stormy Daniel's legal fees. North of $67,000 in our Pacific pesos.

[husaberg]

As you said ....
https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/08/steve-bannon-is-arrested-for-nonprofit-fraud-after-using-an-octopus-of-nonprofits-to-help-elect-trump/

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/25/us/politics/kris-kobach-wall-funding.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoytko/2020/08/20/steve-bannon-charged-with-fraud-in-we-build-the-wall-fundraising-scheme/#


While the tone of Trump’s statement is jarring, the maneuver of distancing himself is old hat. Each time a former staffer causes a problem for Trump, he pretends they played no role, that he barely even knew them. Trump exalted Bannon early on, but soon felt envious of the praise he was getting. “I’m the one who makes the decisions,” he told The New York Times in November 2016. After Bannon landed on the cover of Time magazine, a space Trump cherishes, he began making critical comments. During an April press conference, the president foreshadowed Wednesday’s statement. “I like Steve, but you have to remember he was not involved in my campaign until very late. I had already beaten all the senators and all the governors, and I didn’t know Steve,”


Among the other Trump allies who have been indicted or imprisoned we can count the President's former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort (Bannon effectively replaced him); his former lawyer, Michael Cohen; his one-time national security advisor, Michael Flynn; Manafort's deputy, Rick Gates; Representatives Chris Collins and Duncan Hunter (two early Trump supporters); and donor/political operatives Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, who have pleaded not guilty to criminal charges that they funneled foreign money into US elections. The two are linked closely with Rudy Giuliani, President Donald Trump's personal attorney, and have aided Giuliani's effort to compile what he has claimed is damaging information on Trump's political rival, Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden


Bannon is hardly the first person to get this treatment. Paul Manafort chaired Trump’s campaign for three crucial months, including the period when he clinched and accepted the Republican nomination, but in February 2017, Trump said, “Paul Manafort was replaced long before the election took place. He was only there for a short period of time.” A month later, Press Secretary Sean Spicer was widely mocked for saying that Manafort “played a very limited role for a very limited amount of time.” (Manafort has since been indicted for laundering $75 million; Trump and his lawyers noted the alleged behavior was not related to the campaign.)

Something similar happened to Michael Flynn, once a close friend and key campaign surrogate of the president’s. Trump named Flynn national-security adviser shortly after the election, despite warnings not do so from aides and from President Barack Obama.
Later, after Flynn had lied to both Vice President Mike Pence and the FBI about conversations with the Russian ambassador, Trump’s spokespeople praised Flynn’s character and service, and according to sworn congressional testimony, Trump asked then-FBI Director James Comey to pull back an investigation into Flynn. Yet when Flynn recently pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI, Trump lawyer Ty Cobb dismissed him as “a former Obama administration official.”

When George Papadopoulos joined the Trump campaign as a foreign-policy adviser, he included him in a small meetings and singled him out for praise during a meeting with The Washington Post editorial board, calling him “an excellent guy.” After Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to FBI agents, however, the president dismissed him as a “young, low level volunteer” who “few people knew.”

[Naki Rat]

Well written article. Worth running the audio content to gain full impact.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/

[Viking01]

While the tone of Trump’s statement is jarring, the maneuver of distancing himself is old hat. Each time a former staffer causes a problem for Trump, he pretends they played no role, that he barely even knew them. Trump exalted Bannon early on, but soon felt envious of the praise he was getting. “I’m the one who makes the decisions,” he told The New York Times in November 2016. After Bannon landed on the cover of Time magazine, a space Trump cherishes, he began making critical comments. During an April press conference, the president foreshadowed Wednesday’s statement. “I like Steve, but you have to remember he was not involved in my campaign until very late. I had already beaten all the senators and all the governors, and I didn’t know Steve,”

Re post #9289

Don't mis-quote me, and then drag me into your arguments ... 8-)

[husaberg]

Re post #9289

Don't mis-quote me, and then drag me into your arguments ... 8-)
Do you have deap seated physiological issues that should be resolved by pharmaceutical intervention?

[Viking01]

Do you have deap seated physiological issues that should be resolved by pharmaceutical intervention?

If you compare the links quoted in my earlier post (#9287) and your subsequent response (#9289), you might notice that completely different links are involved. Hence my comment.

[husaberg]

If you compare the links quoted in my earlier post (#9287) and your subsequent response (#9289), you might notice that completely different links are involved. Hence my comment.

Whilst that explained your comment but not your extreme levels of paranoia.
maybe you would like to point at the argument i dragged you or attemted to drag you iinto for a start.

[husaberg]

isnt it odd how the USSR president for lifes Putins political oponents tend to get sick or die so often.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/putin-rival-alexei-navalny-is-poisoned-spokeswoman-says-11597906728

Alexei Navalny 2020
One of the fiercest critics of Russian President Vladimir Putin is in a coma in a hospital in Siberia. His colleagues believe that Alexei Navalny was poisoned. Two years ago, Navalny tried to run against Putin in presidential elections, but he wasn't allowed to register as a candidate.

Pyotr Verzilov
Pyotr Verzilov, a Russian opposition activist, said he went through the same symptoms in 2018, including being put on a ventilator and eventually being flown to a German hospital for treatment, according to the New York Times.

Boris Nemtsov, 2015
In the 1990s, Nemtsov was a political star of post-Soviet Russia’s "young reformers." He became deputy prime minister and was, for a while, seen as possible presidential material — but it was Putin who succeeded former president Boris Yeltsin in 2000. Nemtsov publicly supported the choice, but he grew increasingly critical as Putin rolled back civil liberties and was eventually pushed to the margins of Russian political life. Nemstov led massive street rallies in protest of the 2011 parliamentary election results and wrote reports on official corruption. He also was arrested several times as the Kremlin cracked down on opposition rallies. In Feb. 2015, just hours after urging the public to join a march against Russia's military involvement in Ukraine, Nemtsov was shot four times in the back by an unknown assailant within view of the Kremlin. Putin took "personal control" of the investigation into Nemtsov’s murder, but the killer remains at large.

Boris Berezovsky, 2013
A self-styled tycoon who become a fixture in Yeltsin's inner circle in the late 1990s, Berezovsky is believed to have been instrumental in Putin's rise to power (including a media campaign that smeared Nemtsov). But Berezovsky was unable to exert the influence under the new president he had hoped. His falling out with Putin led to his self-exile in the United Kingdom, where he vowed to bring down the president. He also accused the Kremlin of orchestrating the killing of Alexander Litvinenko, a former intelligence officer and whistleblower poisoned to death in 2009. Berezovsky was found dead inside a locked bathroom at his home in the United Kingdom, a noose around his neck, in what was at first deemed a suicide. However, the coroner’s office could not determine the cause of death.

Stanislav Markelov and Anastasia Baburova, 2009
Markelov was a human rights lawyer known for representing Chechen civilians in human rights cases again the Russian military. He also represented journalists who found themselves in legal trouble after writing articles critical of Putin, including Novaya Gazeta reporter Anna Politkovskaya, who was slain in 2006. Markelov was shot by a masked gunman near the Kremlin. Baburova, also a journalist from Novaya Gazeta, was fatally shot as she tried to help him. Russian authorities said a neo-Nazi group was behind the killings, and two members were convicted of the deaths.

Sergei Magnitsky, 2009
Lawyer Sergei Magnitsky died in police custody in November 2009 after allegedly being brutally beaten, then denied medical care. He had been working for British-American businessman William Browder to investigate a massive tax fraud case. Magnitsky was allegedly arrested after uncovering evidence suggesting that police officials were behind the fraud. In 2012, Magnitsky was posthumously convicted of tax evasion, and Browder lobbied the U.S. government to impose sanctions on those linked to his death. The sanctions bill bears his name and has since been applied to rights abusers in other cases.

Natalia Estemirova, 2009
Natalya Estemirova was a journalist who investigated abductions and murders that had become commonplace in Chechnya. There, pro-Russian security forces waged a brutal crackdown to weed out Islamic militants responsible for some of the country's worst terrorist attacks. Like fellow journalist Anna Politkovskaya, Estemirova reported on civilians who often got caught between these two violent forces. Estemirova was kidnapped outside her home, shot several times — including a point-blank shot in the head — and dumped in the nearby woods. Nobody has been convicted of her murder.

Anna Politkovskaya, 2006
Anna Politkovskaya was a Russian reporter for Novaya Gazeta whose book, "Putin's Russia," accused the Kremlin leader of turning the country into a police state. She wrote extensively about abuse in Chechnya, and once or twice appeared on radio shows in Moscow with me. She was shot at point-blank range in an elevator in her building. Five men were convicted of her murder, but the judge found that it was a contract killing, with $150,000 of the fee paid by a person whose identity was never discovered. Putin denied any Kremlin involvement in Politkovskaya's killing, saying that her "death in itself is more damaging to the current authorities both in Russia and the Chechen Republic ... than her activities."

The same week Politkovskaya was poisoned, Roman Tsepov, who was a bodyguard for President Vladimir Putin in the 1990s before he came to power, became violently ill and died a few days after having a cup of tea at a local Russian security service office—his autopsy revealed radioactive material in his body.



Alexander Litvinenko, 2006
"Alexander Litvinenko was a former KGB agent who died three weeks after drinking a cup of tea" laced with deadly polonium-210 at a London hotel, as Business Insider wrote a year ago. "A British inquiry found that Litvinenko was poisoned by Russian agents Andrei Lugovoi and Dmitry Kovtun, who were acting on orders that had 'probably been approved'" by Putin. Russia refused to extradite them, and in 2015 the Russian president granted Lugovoi a medal for "services to the motherland." After leaving the Russian Federal Security Service, Litvinenko became a vocal critic of the agency, which was run by Putin, and later blamed the security service for orchestrating a series of apartment bombings in Russia in 1999 that left hundreds dead. Russia's invasion of Chechnya followed later that year — and with it, the rise to power of Putin. Berezovsky was suspected to be complicit in at least part of the plot to bring Putin to the Kremlin, but he later sought to implicate Putin for Litvinenko's killing. Litvinenko also accused Putin ordering the murder of Politkovskaya.
Aleksandr V. Litvinenko, a rogue Russian intelligence officer, died after drinking tea laced with a lethal radioactive isotope, polonium 210, just a month after Politkovskaya’s murder—a 2016 British investigation concluded his death could have been approved by Putin himself.

Opposition leader Vladimir Kara-Murza was poisoned in 2015, one month after calling for the U.S. to impose harsher sanctions on Russia during a series of public meetings on Capitol Hill—Kara-Murza said he was poisoned again in 2017 as he toured Russia showcasing a documentary about murdered Putin critic Boris Nemtsov.

Sergei Yushenkov, 2003
The affable former army colonel was a favorite of parliamentary reporters in the early 1990s, when I was learning the trade for the Moscow Times. Sergei Yushenkov had just registered his Liberal Russia movement as a political party when he was gunned down outside his home in Moscow. Yushenkov was gathering evidence he believed proved that the Putin government was behind one of the apartment bombings in 1999.

Yuri Shchekochikhin, 2003
As a journalist and author who wrote about crime and corruption in the former Soviet Union when it was still very difficult to do so, Yuri Shchekochikhin once joined me on a police raid of crack houses in Philadelphia in 1988. He was investigating the 1999 apartment bombings for Novaya Gazeta when he contracted a mysterious illness in July 2003. He died suddenly, a few days before he was supposed to depart for the United States. His medical documents were deemed classified by Russian authorities.

[pritch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_20vrE95OF0

[sugilite]

Trumps signiture policy from 2016.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/aug/24/john-oliver-trump-border-wall-stupider-than-i-thought-was-possible

Demonlord, thoughts on it's success?

Now Trumps sister - a former federal judge says he is completely untrustworthy.
Demonlord, how is it you keep the faith with Trump when multiple members of his own family says he is not fit for the job?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5grDgIN__8

Now Bannon, another of trump cronies is caught being dishonest.
Demonlord, with so many of Trumps 2016 campaign members in jail or on their way, or being let off by the Trump personal lawyer Barr, how do you still not think Trump himself is a crook?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DhcvvNHu_o

[TheDemonLord]

Trumps signiture policy from 2016.
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/aug/24/john-oliver-trump-border-wall-stupider-than-i-thought-was-possible

Demonlord, thoughts on it's success?

Using Wikipedia as a source (because I'm lazy) - in 2019 he said by the end of 2020 he would build 450-500 Miles of Wall,


According to U.S. Customs and Border Protection, 275 miles had been completed by August 10, 2020

Now, making allowances for the My Sharona virus, That's not bad going, especially when you also factor in various shenanigans by the House and the Senate (AKA the Government Shutdown)


Now Trumps sister - a former federal judge says he is completely untrustworthy.
Demonlord, how is it you keep the faith with Trump when multiple members of his own family says he is not fit for the job?

There's multiple ways to answer this:

1: He's no more or no less trustworthy than any other politician (e.g. not at all)
2: Family rivalries, especially in 'high profile' families aren't anything new, Nor is a family members venting in private only for such comments to be taken out of Context
3: Doesn't it strike you as odd that a private conversation, about Trump just so happened to be recorded and just so happened to be passed to left-wing media outlets with a known hatred against the man - has all the hallmarks of a setup to me.

Getting back to the concept of Trust though, I don't trust per-se Trump, what I do see is that he's prepared to tell certain groups (who have a shared Marxist undertone, hate the west etc. etc.) to get Fucked - that's why I like him and support him.

There's other things as well - much harder to put into words - he does things in a way that seem to 'expose' the underlying beliefs of those fringe groups. As an example - He recently pardoned the Lady who championed Women's Suffrage in the US - this is a small act, causes him zero political backlash from his supporters - but because She was an Idol for so many of his ideological opponents, they were scrabbling to 'cancel' her or to downplay his Pardon, which exposes their real motivations.

I personally really enjoy this - the unreasonable reaction to his reasonable actions are influencing a lot of disenfranchised Traditional Democrat voters to disassociate with the radical end of the Democrat party and in some cases even consider voting for Him.


Now Bannon, another of trump cronies is caught being dishonest.
Demonlord, with so many of Trumps 2016 campaign members in jail or on their way, or being let off by the Trump personal lawyer Barr, how do you still not think Trump himself is a crook?

Let's put aside the Guilt-by-association for the moment. Much has been made about the various arrests and charges etc. Some of them have merit, others less so (to put it Mildly) - If You'll allow me to quickly fold myself a new Hat made from the finest Aluminium Foil...

All I see is a deliberate effort to dig up skeletons, by people who still haven't accepted the 2016 election result. I'll be honest from the 'Muh Russia' to Impeachment - each additional act has a distinct oudor of desperation about it. I don't believe that any of these actions were undertaken in good faith or as part of a solemn duty.


I get that with each accusation to people like yourself and pritch etc. it looks more and more like definitive proof of wrongdoing, but not to me. If you want to chalk that up to 'faith' on my part - be my guest.

I trust that answers the questions put to me so, here's a question for you - in the below link, you'll see Trump's 2020 Agenda.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/08/24/trump-releases-his-second-term-agenda-n2574894

Things I like:

JOBS

Enact Fair Trade Deals that Protect American Jobs
"Made in America" Tax Credits

END OUR RELIANCE ON CHINA
·Bring Back 1 Million Manufacturing Jobs from China
·Tax Credits for Companies that Bring Back Jobs from China
·Allow 100% Expensing Deductions for Essential Industries like Pharmaceuticals and Robotics who Bring Back their Manufacturing to the United States
·No Federal Contracts for Companies who Outsource to China

EDUCATION

·Teach American Exceptionalism

DRAIN THE SWAMP

·Pass Congressional Term Limits
·End Bureaucratic Government Bullying of U.S. Citizens and Small Businesses
·Expose Washington’s Money Trail and Delegate Powers Back to People and States
·Drain the Globalist Swamp by Taking on International Organizations That Hurt American Citizens
·Hold China Fully Accountable for Allowing the Virus to Spread around the World

DEFEND OUR POLICE

·Bring Violent Extremist Groups Like ANTIFA to Justice

AMERICA FIRST FOREIGN POLICY

·Stop Endless Wars and Bring Our Troops Home

The rest in that list I'm either not too fussed about or think it's Trump Hyperbole (Yes, I'm looking at you, Space Force).

Now quibbles about Tax cuts and 'how is he going to achieve that' aside - on the face of those Policies, are there any that you wholeheartedly disagree with?

To me that Policy set is pretty well-rounded, there's some environmental concessions in there, some commitments to the Blue Collar worker, There's policy to reign in China (who we have shared concerns over).

Some of the Tax Cut policy if I put my lefty hat on (which is seldom used these days) I'd say that the promised tax cuts will end-up disproportionately benefiting big corporations and enabling them to pay less of their 'fair share' and the working man will be just as screwed as always - but even then it's stated intended target is the Blue Collar Worker.

[Bonez]

Now to the stuff that really matters.

The Republicans/Trump also stopped 100% tariffs on European m/cs 300-700ccs, parts and riding related gear.

https://advrider.com/narrow-escape-motos-accessories-off-us-tariff-list/

[pritch]

Now Bannon, another of trump cronies is caught being dishonest.
Demonlord, with so many of Trumps 2016 campaign members in jail or on their way, or being let off by the Trump personal lawyer Barr, how do you still not think Trump himself is a crook?


They've just had a paedophile protecting priest speak at the Trump convention. Who else do you know consorts with so many pedos?

Interesting titbit from the upcoming Cohen book. He mentions golden showers in the USA. Remember the Steele dossier mentioned golden showers in Russia, and how Trump denied it all? One claim is questionable but it seems fat boy has a kink in that direction - and Putin probably has the tapes.

Lawyers for E Jean Carrol who has claimed she was raped by Trump, and has DNA evidence, have requested Trump submit a DNA sample. Of course as anybody wishing to prove his innocence would do, Trump has refused. :confused: It might be interesting if her lawyers requested a DNA sample from Mary Trump?

[Bonez]

They've just had a paedophile protecting priest speak at the Trump convention. Who else do you know consorts with so many pedos?
You pritch. You appear to be professional blow hard.

Enjoy your day.

Kind regards

Bonez

[TheDemonLord]

They've just had a paedophile protecting priest speak at the Trump convention. Who else do you know consorts with so many pedos?

Now, I hate throwing mud-slinging accusations around, Especially ones as serious as Pedophilia - In this instance however the cries from the Left about Pedophilia are more akin to "the Lady doth protest too much me thinks".

Firstly you've got the Movie industry where the 'casting couch' has been something of an open secret (even post me-too) and there have been numerous stories about this being forced upon people who could not give consent.

Secondly you've got the whole Epstein affair

Then lastly (and this is the part I suspect you are not familiar with) is that there has been stirrings in the LGBTAlphabetSoup group whereby Pedophiles have claimed that their attraction to minors is a sexual orientation (in the same way that someone is Gay) or it is a Mental disorder (in the same vein as Gender Dysphoria) and therefore they shouldn't be discriminated against and should have their predilection decriminalized like what happened with the Gays and the Trans groups.

What is really interesting is that some in the far-left activist wing actually agree with this, whereas others have seen this and gone 'wait, what the fuck?', some have attempted to argue that it cannot be covered under the same auspices as the aforementioned because it breaks the rules of consent.

Personally, I'm all for Pedophiles getting treatment. In the form of a Lead pill. Delivered at 850 m/s. Direct to a Vital Organ. Repeat doses as necessary.

[sugilite]

Using Wikipedia as a source (because I'm lazy) - in 2019 he said by the end of 2020 he would build 450-500 Miles of Wall,



Now, making allowances for the My Sharona virus, That's not bad going, especially when you also factor in various shenanigans by the House and the Senate (AKA the Government Shutdown)
Minus the repairs to existing wall - very little "new" wall has been completed. Proven to be defeated by $100 reciprocal saws = fail in my book. Just a stunt to fire up the base in 2016.




There's multiple ways to answer this:

1: He's no more or no less trustworthy than any other politician (e.g. not at all)
2: Family rivalries, especially in 'high profile' families aren't anything new, Nor is a family members venting in private only for such comments to be taken out of Context
3: Doesn't it strike you as odd that a private conversation, about Trump just so happened to be recorded and just so happened to be passed to left-wing media outlets with a known hatred against the man - has all the hallmarks of a setup to me.

I agree she was recorded without her knowledge, adds legitimacy then, speaking her mind without filters. If fox had been exclusively passed it, would they have run it?
effectively, you are saying his sister, a ex federal judge is jealous. Pffft, please.


Getting back to the concept of Trust though, I don't trust per-se Trump, what I do see is that he's prepared to tell certain groups (who have a shared Marxist undertone, hate the west etc. etc.) to get Fucked - that's why I like him and support him.

There's other things as well - much harder to put into words - he does things in a way that seem to 'expose' the underlying beliefs of those fringe groups. As an example - He recently pardoned the Lady who championed Women's Suffrage in the US - this is a small act, causes him zero political backlash from his supporters - but because She was an Idol for so many of his ideological opponents, they were scrabbling to 'cancel' her or to downplay his Pardon, which exposes their real motivations.

I personally really enjoy this - the unreasonable reaction to his reasonable actions are influencing a lot of disenfranchised Traditional Democrat voters to disassociate with the radical end of the Democrat party and in some cases even consider voting for Him.
Are you referring to the so called squad having the Marxist undertones and hating America? If so, please provide quotes from them saying they hate America? I have asked you this in the past, and you seemed to not be able to find any.




Let's put aside the Guilt-by-association for the moment. Much has been made about the various arrests and charges etc. Some of them have merit, others less so (to put it Mildly) - If You'll allow me to quickly fold myself a new Hat made from the finest Aluminium Foil...

All I see is a deliberate effort to dig up skeletons, by people who still haven't accepted the 2016 election result. I'll be honest from the 'Muh Russia' to Impeachment - each additional act has a distinct oudor of desperation about it. I don't believe that any of these actions were undertaken in good faith or as part of a solemn duty.


I get that with each accusation to people like yourself and pritch etc. it looks more and more like definitive proof of wrongdoing, but not to me. If you want to chalk that up to 'faith' on my part - be my guest.
How come when you dismiss the Russian interference out of hand you conveniently forget about the 10+ counts of obstruction?


I trust that answers the questions put to me so, here's a question for you - in the below link, you'll see Trump's 2020 Agenda.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/08/24/trump-releases-his-second-term-agenda-n2574894

Things I like:

JOBS

Enact Fair Trade Deals that Protect American Jobs
"Made in America" Tax Credits

END OUR RELIANCE ON CHINA
·Bring Back 1 Million Manufacturing Jobs from China
·Tax Credits for Companies that Bring Back Jobs from China
·Allow 100% Expensing Deductions for Essential Industries like Pharmaceuticals and Robotics who Bring Back their Manufacturing to the United States
·No Federal Contracts for Companies who Outsource to China

EDUCATION

·Teach American Exceptionalism

DRAIN THE SWAMP

·Pass Congressional Term Limits
·End Bureaucratic Government Bullying of U.S. Citizens and Small Businesses
·Expose Washington’s Money Trail and Delegate Powers Back to People and States
·Drain the Globalist Swamp by Taking on International Organizations That Hurt American Citizens
·Hold China Fully Accountable for Allowing the Virus to Spread around the World

DEFEND OUR POLICE

·Bring Violent Extremist Groups Like ANTIFA to Justice

AMERICA FIRST FOREIGN POLICY

·Stop Endless Wars and Bring Our Troops Home

The rest in that list I'm either not too fussed about or think it's Trump Hyperbole (Yes, I'm looking at you, Space Force).

Now quibbles about Tax cuts and 'how is he going to achieve that' aside - on the face of those Policies, are there any that you wholeheartedly disagree with?


None really, though surprise, surprise, no mention of cracking down on right wing violent groups, just anitfa. However, because these policies are purportedly put forward by Trump. how much can you believe he will actually do since he is a out and out liar? Much more so than your average politician, yet alone president. He lies even when he has no need too, he really has not built up any credence to carry any of it out.


To me that Policy set is pretty well-rounded, there's some environmental concessions in there, some commitments to the Blue Collar worker, There's policy to reign in China (who we have shared concerns over).

Some of the Tax Cut policy if I put my lefty hat on (which is seldom used these days) I'd say that the promised tax cuts will end-up disproportionately benefiting big corporations and enabling them to pay less of their 'fair share' and the working man will be just as screwed as always - but even then it's stated intended target is the Blue Collar Worker.
Yeah, he has proven time and time again, that he pisses all over the "little guy" and only changes that when he needs to buy a few votes from the gullible. Otherwise, it is all support the big corporates and fuck the people.

[sugilite]

Now, I hate throwing mud-slinging accusations around, Especially ones as serious as Pedophilia - In this instance however the cries from the Left about Pedophilia are more akin to "the Lady doth protest too much me thinks".



Have you covered the right wing led pizzagate conspiracy theory with the same level of zest displayed above?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

[Bonez]

Have you covered the right wing led pizzagate conspiracy theory with the same level of zest displayed above?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theoryHave you tried some critical thinking yet? Or just rinse and repeat like you, The Burk and pritch has done for the last four year? You three couldn't "debate" yourselves out of a wet paper bag.

Enjoy your evening.

Best regards.

Bonez.

[sugilite]

Have you tried some critical thinking yet? Or just rinse and repeat like you, The Burk and pritch has done for the last four year? You three couldn't "debate" yourselves out of a wet paper bag.

Enjoy your evening.

Best regards.

Bonez.

Did you know the basement where it all supposedly happened does not exist, as in that building does not actually have a basement?
On the subjects of debates, you must be missing arsetinger as you guys had mass debates all the time ;)

How is the Canada virus going? :laugh:

[MaxPenguin]

Fuck I am over all this Qanon bullshit from the states. It's even getting traction in NZ with the advancenzpp party or whatever they call themselves preaching from the qanon playbook, and fuck me they are getting followers, fuckwits, but eligible to vote none the less.

[pritch]

Minus the repairs to existing wall - very little "new" wall has been completed. Proven to be defeated by $100 reciprocal saws = fail in my book. Just a stunt to fire up the base in 2016.


Estimates seem to vary between three and six miles of new wall possibly depending on when the assessment was made. Way different to the bullshit Trump puts out. Two sections blew over in bad weather too. Judging by the weather forecast we could be seeing another section go down any time now.

[Bonez]

Did you know the basement where it all supposedly happened does not exist, as in that building does not actually have a basement?
On the subjects of debates, you must be missing arsetinger as you guys had mass debates all the time ;)

How is the Canada virus going? :laugh:Seems to be doing the job exactly as it was designed to do- kill people. All those mutli body concrete coffins, built years ago, set a couple feet below ground level then when all are full and ready to be bull dozed over with earth then turned in to car parks and play grounds are coming in very handy now. BTW the coffins were costructed well before Trump was put into office.

Hmm, I wonder who was at the helm when they were? Is suspect t his name rhymes with "a lama"

As I mentioned before critical thinking is obviously an ability you lack.

Best regards

Bonez

[pritch]

Fuck I am over all this Qanon bullshit from the states. It's even getting traction in NZ with the advancenzpp party or whatever they call themselves preaching from the qanon playbook, and fuck me they are getting followers, fuckwits, but eligible to vote none the less.

There's actually a Q Anon woman won nomination to run as a Republican in the States. She's in a safe red area so she will be going to Congress. The party hierarchy have promised her a prominent committee position too. Of course if Trump loses and normality resumes she shouldn't even get a security clearance.

[sugilite]

Seems to be doing the job exactly as it was designed to do- kill people. All those mutli body concrete coffins, built years ago, set a couple feet below ground level then when all are full and ready to be bull dozed over with earth then turned in to cars park are coming in very handy now. BTW that was well before Trump was put into office.

As I mentioned before critical thinking is obviously an ability you lack.

Best regards

Bonez

I can only aspire to have your incredible capacity for critical thinking - WATCH OUT! The death dealing Canadians are coming for your babies :laugh:

[Bonez]

I can only aspire to have your incredible capacity for critical thinking - WATCH OUT! The death dealing Canadians are coming for your babies :laugh:See how easy it is to mate you look like a complete twat in this thread.

Kind regards

Bonez

[sugilite]

See how easy it is to mate you look like a twat in this thread.

Kind regards

Bonez

Mate, you mate me look real bad mate. You win mate :laugh:

[MaxPenguin]

I can only aspire to have your incredible capacity for critical thinking - WATCH OUT! The death dealing Canadians are coming for your babies :laugh:

Let me guess, his critical thinking is scrolling the internet for YouTube videos.

[Laava]

Mate, you mate me look real bad mate. You win mate :laugh:
Lol, you mate me laugh!:laugh::laugh::laugh::msn-wink:

[TheDemonLord]

Minus the repairs to existing wall - very little "new" wall has been completed. Proven to be defeated by $100 reciprocal saws = fail in my book. Just a stunt to fire up the base in 2016.

Well this comes down to a matter of perspective - does replacing or repairing existing sections of wall count as work done? 275 vs 6 quoted by Pritch - it seems that there is a rather large degree of shall we say 'interpretation' based on whichever side of the Fence (hehe) you fall on.

In regards to the Saw - I think that's a bit of a red herring - any security system (IT, Physical etc.) is always going to be breached by someone sufficiently dedicated, skilled and with enough time. It's about deterring the majority and making it sufficiently time-consuming that the attempt can be interdicted.


I agree she was recorded without her knowledge, adds legitimacy then, speaking her mind without filters. If fox had been exclusively passed it, would they have run it?
effectively, you are saying his sister, a ex federal judge is jealous. Pffft, please.

But we don't know the context of the Conversation, given the Media's rather 'judicious' editing of clips, I hold no weight to it - and I'll give an example - I've spoken about my family members like that when they have deserved it and I've been spoken about like that myself when I've been an asshat - doesn't mean that this is what I or my Family members think about each other on the whole.

I didn't specifically mean Jealousy when I said rivalry, but whilst a Federal Judge is noteworthy, it's not the PotUS is it....


Are you referring to the so called squad having the Marxist undertones and hating America? If so, please provide quotes from them saying they hate America? I have asked you this in the past, and you seemed to not be able to find any.

I wasn't, I was referring to Antifa, BLM etc. who explicitly state that they want to tear down the western capitalist patriarchal structures (which is the US), and since you mentioned the Squad - they entirely support the likes of BLM. To answer the question of Quotes.

When BLM are advocating for expropriation and left-wing news outlets are not merely condoning it but actually justifying it In Defense of Destroying Property (https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/blm-looting-protest-vandalism/) and the likes of AOC cannot bring themselves to publicly denounce it, that's all the quote I need. Anyone who doesn't immediately say 'No, Expropriation is wrong' is already damned in my eyes.

The foundation of America is individual liberalism "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness", anyone who does not uphold that core value is opposed to the very essence of what America is, and by failing to take a definitive stance against Rioting, destruction of property, Murder etc. whilst supporting organisations that explicitly state they want to tear everything that America is down - yeah, I take that hatred for America.


How come when you dismiss the Russian interference out of hand you conveniently forget about the 10+ counts of obstruction?

From the get-go everything about the Russian interference screamed 'sore loser syndrome' and the biggest smoking gun for me was the lack of a smoking gun, despite repeated claims by CNN and their Ilk that "This time, we have what will be the final nail in this presidency" - I'm happy to admit that at this point they've cried Wolf so many times that I'm forgoing the usual skeptic burden of proof and dismissing every sensationalist claim from the outset.

Should a sufficiently sound piece of evidence be presented, I'll entertain it, but thus far, nothing even remotely close has been forthcoming.

Chalk that one up to a 'free pass for Trump' if you like - the great irony being a lot of the Commentators who I listen to, who are either Conservative or Traditional British liberal types or even disenfranchised former Democrat voters have plenty of criticism of Trump - ranging from the fact that he essentially talks a lot of Shit, to the fact he Tweets too much, doesn't act very statesmanlike etc. Even to his nepotistic appointments (something I'm not particularly fond of) - there is plenty to critique Trump fairly for, with solid evidence - If the Media dialed it back and maybe even said a nice thing or two about him when he does something good (as opposed to flip-out, like when he Pardoned Susan B Anthony and then life-long admirers were suddenly trying to paint her as a villain because Trump pardoned her) then people like me might have our faith restored a little - but if they haven't figured that out by now, they are too far gone.


None really, though surprise, surprise, no mention of cracking down on right wing violent groups, just anitfa. However, because these policies are purportedly put forward by Trump. how much can you believe he will actually do since he is a out and out liar? Much more so than your average politician, yet alone president. He lies even when he has no need too, he really has not built up any credence to carry any of it out.

Okay, I'm going to take this comment in 2 parts:

Firstly - Let's both assume our equal distrust of politicians and that we both expect that any politician will fail to live up to the promises made and that we will be equally disappointed with the result - That's still a policy set, even if partially/half-arsedly implemented that I think we could both agree isn't too bad, whereas compared to other parties there are Policy items that I am vehemently against. What I'm getting at here is based on Policy alone, someone like you could vote for a candidate that espoused those Policies.

Next part is the Right Wing Violent groups: Which ones? I'm being very serious here - where are they? Are they taking over sections of Cities and burning them to the ground? Are they forcing Mayors to remove funding for the Police? Are they getting major corporate backing and virtue signalling? Are they thriving in the Universities and actively pushing students via certain BS courses into right-wing Extremism? Are they getting mainstream TV Coverage that runs interference for them? Are they being promoted by Mainstream Politicians, Sporting figures etc?

Literally, where are they?

Now, we both know that they do exist, and I'd even be willing to be that in a few years time you will see a surge in right-wing extremism as the current generation gets radicalized by the antics of BLM and ANTIFA.

To be clear, I'm not a fan of Right-wing extremism at all - The only form of Extremism I like is in my Metal Music - but the simple fact is that when we do a simple comparison of the last major 'right wing extremist' incident (Charlottesville) vs all the Death and destruction at the hands of Antifa and BLM in the same time period - it's a completely different scale.


Yeah, he has proven time and time again, that he pisses all over the "little guy" and only changes that when he needs to buy a few votes from the gullible. Otherwise, it is all support the big corporates and fuck the people.

This is where we get into the murky areas of Economic Theory - my personal view is that deregulation and tax cuts will always stimulate the economy, leading to lower unemployment and more growth, however the counter-point is also true that the Rich do get Richer, but it hides the other fact - the Poor get richer too, but at a slower rate. This is the cause of the increase in income disparity often associated with 'trickle-down' economics however this is best described thusly:

If inflation is 2% PA and the Rich person's income increases at 20% PA and the Poor person's income has only increased at 4% PA - Is this fair?

One might argue that the disparity is unfair, however the Poor person is still better off, their income has increased even when factored for Inflation. Whereas all the Jealous Marxist types only see the Rich getting richer and want to help themselves to some of that $$$.

[TheDemonLord]

Have you covered the right wing led pizzagate conspiracy theory with the same level of zest displayed above?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pizzagate_conspiracy_theory

Pizzagate fell outside the realm of reasonable for me, given the evidence presented.

But I'm curious as to which of my 3 examples you think are particularly Zesty?

Certainly some of the more 'elaborate' claims around Epstein I'm happy to dismiss.

[Bonez]

Lol, you mate me laugh!:laugh::laugh::laugh::msn-wink:I believe the word you are looking for is spelt m----a---d----e. I'm sure you will get it correct in the end one day if you keep practicing.

Glad I could help Luv.

Kind regards

Bonez

[Laava]

I believe the word you are looking for is spelt m----a---d----e. I'm sure you will get it correct in the end one day if you keep practicing.

Glad I could help Luv.

Kind regards

Bonez
I think your sense of humour is broken.

[Bonez]

I think your sense of humour is broken.You took the bait and hook then swallowed them Luv..

I do hope you have a very good day.

My kindest regards

Bonez

[Bonez]

Apparently the ANTIFA thugs in Portland are getting their arses trashed.:Punk:

Didn't pritch state ANTIFA was an unorganised group of peaceful protesters?

I see he hasn't changed that stance despite all the evidence to the contrary What a fine upstanding gentleman he is and a perfect example of who youg'ns should take notice of.

[pritch]

Coupla things in recent news items made me wonder.

Donald J Trump Jr has told someone that if Trump loses the election the whole family will be going to jail. That would be a really strange thought for someone who was innocent of any crime. An entirely natural thought for a member of a crime family.

His Brother Eric has received a subpoena to appear before a court in NY. He is refusing to attend. The word subpoena means under penalty but his dad has been instructing all levels of government employees not to obey subpoenas. Several cases are still winding their way through the court system.

The court wants to talk to Eric Trump about the financial dealings of the Trump organisation which, evidence suggests, was overvaluing assets for bank loans and undervaluing them for tax purposes. Simply put, that's several different types of fraud.

Ivanka Trump is thought to have skimmed millions from the Inauguration fund. Apparently the fund was huge, the inauguration was very modest, but the money was gone.

Of course Trump and his children are prohibited by the courts from being involved with any charity because they stole from a kids cancer charity.

The US press are annoyingly simple, they are still referring to the ongoing circus as the Republican National Convention. It's not the RNC. The Republicans met briefly on the first morning, voted to elect Trump as their candidate, and went home. From then on, whatever it is, it is just the Trump show. The Republican Party is almost entirely absent.

The building the event is being held in is a federal building. It's illegal to hold partisan political events in federal buildings.

Pompeo is on the programme to speak today. It's illegal for a government appointee to take part in a partisan political event.

New crimes everyday, some small, some large, by the "law and order" president.

It's a joke, but it's a sad joke.

Especially sad for the some 215,000 Americans who have died of a virus that their president thought would go away - like a miracle.

[TheDemonLord]

if

suggests

is thought to


Any more straws you'd like to grasp?

[Bonez]

Any more straws you'd like to grasp?And doesn't he pad it out nicely with a fairy tail?

Provides no link to the news article he is referencing. Could be a complete fabrication in a satire article. We all know pritch has been a bit liberal with the truth since this thread actually started.

[pete376403]

And doesn't he pad it out nicely with a fairy tail?

Provides no link to the news article he is referencing. Could be a complete fabrication in a satire article. We all know pritch has been a bit liberal with the truth since this thread actually started.

Were not too hard to find. Mind you, there are buried in long articles with no pictures, so it's understandable if you would have trouble. But for your edification:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/magazine/donald-trump-jr.html - “Don’s the only person who thinks they’re going to lose,” says a prominent conservative activist who is in regular contact with him and other key members of Trump’s political operation. “He’s like, ‘We’re losing, dude, and we’re going to get really hurt when we lose.’” An electoral defeat in November, Trump Jr. fears, could result in federal prosecutions of Trump, his family and his political allies.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/24/politics/new-york-eric-trump/index.html

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ivanka-trump-inaugural-investigation-769774/

https://web.archive.org/web/20190926132431/https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2018/ag-underwood-announces-stipulation-dissolving-trump-foundation-under-judicial
and
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#18013dbd6b4a

I think you should get the idea.

[Bonez]

Were not too hard to find. Mind you, there are buried in long articles with no pictures, so it's understandable if you would have trouble. But for your edification:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/magazine/donald-trump-jr.html - “Don’s the only person who thinks they’re going to lose,” says a prominent conservative activist who is in regular contact with him and other key members of Trump’s political operation. “He’s like, ‘We’re losing, dude, and we’re going to get really hurt when we lose.’” An electoral defeat in November, Trump Jr. fears, could result in federal prosecutions of Trump, his family and his political allies.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/08/24/politics/new-york-eric-trump/index.html

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/ivanka-trump-inaugural-investigation-769774/

https://web.archive.org/web/20190926132431/https://ag.ny.gov/press-release/2018/ag-underwood-announces-stipulation-dissolving-trump-foundation-under-judicial
and
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2017/06/06/how-donald-trump-shifted-kids-cancer-charity-money-into-his-business/#18013dbd6b4a

I think you should get the idea.I was referring to pritchs post not you chappy so go have a lay down. Your right hand with Vaseline on it is waiting for you.

It's nice to have another snowflake to make fun of though.
Do enjoy your day.

Regards

Bonez

[TheDemonLord]

Were not too hard to find. Mind you, there are buried in long articles with no pictures, so it's understandable if you would have trouble. But for your edification:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/magazine/donald-trump-jr.html - “Don’s the only person who thinks they’re going to lose,” says a prominent conservative activist who is in regular contact with him and other key members of Trump’s political operation. “He’s like, ‘We’re losing, dude, and we’re going to get really hurt when we lose.’” An electoral defeat in November, Trump Jr. fears, could result in federal prosecutions of Trump, his family and his political allies.

See, this is why I dismiss these things out of hand:

Here we have an anonymous source, claiming to be a Conservative Activist with regular contact....

Who happens to be passing info to the NY Times....

That is immediately contradicted by a Named person....

And furthermore - just ask yourself for a moment - does Donald Trump sound like the person who would openly say that he thinks he's going to loose? about Anything?

[pritch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMBnvGj6e1s

[pritch]

The thought occurred that someone may have questioned that 215,000 figure for COVID cases in the US.

When dealing with unreliable countries like Iran, North Korea, and now the USA, scientists don't just accept the official figures. What they do is check the recorded deaths for previous years and then check the same period this year. A marked increase is considered attributable to the pandemic.

When this exercise was conducted on US statistics the figure was 215,000 which is rather higher than the official 175,000 as it was at that time.

Whichever way you look at it, that's a lot of people and almost entirely due to Trump's unsuitability for the office he holds. There is still no nationally coordinated plan to deal with the virus in the USA. He's still waiting for it to disappear like a miracle. Meanwhile it rages unabated.

[TheDemonLord]

There is still no nationally coordinated plan to deal with the virus in the USA. He's still waiting for it to disappear like a miracle. Meanwhile it rages unabated.

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=federalism

[Bonez]

The thought occurred that someone may have questioned that 215,000 figure for COVID cases in the US.

When dealing with unreliable countries like Iran, North Korea, and now the USA, scientists don't just accept the official figures. What they do is check the recorded deaths for previous years and then check the same period this year. A marked increase is considered attributable to the pandemic.

When this exercise was conducted on US statistics the figure was 215,000 which is rather higher than the official 175,000 as it was at that time.

Whichever way you look at it, that's a lot of people and almost entirely due to Trump's unsuitability for the office he holds. There is still no nationally coordinated plan to deal with the virus in the USA. He's still waiting for it to disappear like a miracle. Meanwhile it rages unabated.Isn't there already a thread about this on KB?

[Bonez]

The thought occurred that someone may have questioned that 215,000 figure for COVID cases in the US.
ted plan to deal with the virus in the USA. He's still waiting for it to disappear like a miracle. Meanwhile it rages unabated.It doesn't hide the fact that pritch consistently lies in this thread. Seems like he is an authority on US politics when he just full of brown smelly stuff that comes out of ones rectum.

[Laava]

You took the bait and hook then swallowed them Luv..

I do hope you have a very good day.

My kindest regards

Bonez
Oh! You were trolling me? Oh well played sir!(insert sarcasm emoji)

[Bonez]

Oh! You were trolling me? Oh well played sir!(insert sarcasm emoji)You are a funny wee man Luv. And I love interacting with you. Can you not tell?

All the best

Regards

Bonez

[Berries]

Isn't there already a thread about this on KB?
If there is I am sure you would have posted in it.

[Bonez]

If there is I am sure you would have posted in it.Why? Do you miss me so much for not posting in that thread? I have plenty of other accurate sources of info about the topic without doing that Mosgiel Muppet. And anyway we don't need another slanging between myself and KB snowflakes. It upsets the rest of the KB forum members. Obviously the KB snowflakes haven't come to that realisation though.

I make an innocuous thread about an indicator repear you KB snowflakes are all over it like Parana to a bleeding carcass. That doesn't make you'll look terribly bright. And well I'm at it I've also noticed that most of you KB snowflakes do not contribute many meaningful posts to assist other KB members. Most of it is criticizing some one or their machine or posting just complete and absolute bull shit.

Enjoy your day.

Very kind regards.

Bonez

[jasonu]

pritch Seems like he is an authority on US politics .

Fucking far from it.

[Bonez]

Fucking far from it.Oops I forgot the word "thinks".:facepalm: I concur with your sentiments sir.

[pete376403]

See, this is why I dismiss these things out of hand:

Here we have an anonymous source, claiming to be a Conservative Activist with regular contact....

Who happens to be passing info to the NY Times....

That is immediately contradicted by a Named person....

And furthermore - just ask yourself for a moment - does Donald Trump sound like the person who would openly say that he thinks he's going to loose? about Anything?

Not The donald but Trump Jr might

[Bonez]

Apparently Trump has a 10 point lead in the GOP at present. Off you go and cry snowflakes.:msn-wink:

[TheDemonLord]

Not The donald but Trump Jr might

So, I'll admit I re-read the article and it's wording plays a touch loose with exactly who is being referred to - but regardless:

We both agree that such a statement would never come from the God Emperor Trump.

Could Trump Jr say something like that? Given that he seems to have inherited some traits from his Dad - I put that in the 'extremely unlikely' category.

[pritch]

Trump's shit show is amazing. Check out Kimberly's speech (screech?) on YouTube, I won't put it here. It's embarrassing. She claimed to be a first generation American because her mother came from Puerto Rico. Apparently she's unaware that Puerto Rico is an American territory and that her mother was therefore a US citizen, not an immigrant.

That's the same Puerto Rico that Trump wanted to swap for Greenland.

I loved the comment on social media that judging by the performance of the speakers, the amount the Trump campaign is spending on cocaine would equal the GDP of a small country. And no, I don't actually believe that. It might be a slight exaggeration.

[Laava]

You are a funny wee man Luv. And I love interacting with you. Can you not tell?

All the best

Regards

Bonez
Are you really short?

[Berries]

That doesn't make you'll look terribly bright.
That's me'll told.

[Bonez]

That's the same Puerto Rico that Trump wanted to swap for Greenland..Sounds like a good deal.:weird:

[Bonez]

That's me'll told.Thats was exactly what I was referring to Mosgiel Moron. A meaningless post.

Enjoy the rest of the afternoon.

All the best.

Bones

[pritch]

Mods,

Is it just possible that Cassina has returned using a false log on?

[sugilite]

Well this comes down to a matter of perspective - does replacing or repairing existing sections of wall count as work done? 275 vs 6 quoted by Pritch - it seems that there is a rather large degree of shall we say 'interpretation' based on whichever side of the Fence (hehe) you fall on.

In regards to the Saw - I think that's a bit of a red herring - any security system (IT, Physical etc.) is always going to be breached by someone sufficiently dedicated, skilled and with enough time. It's about deterring the majority and making it sufficiently time-consuming that the attempt can be interdicted.
Considering how long the border is, and what he promised - what has been actually achieved in the last 4 years is pitiful.
Red herring - really? Considering Trump says the wall is to stop the bad hombres, human traffickers, and illegal immigrants - I'm quite sure the price of a saw is not going to put them off one little bit considering the scale of what they are attempting in the first place. It will hardly deter the minority, yet alone the majority. Sorry mate, but it is a total fail for Trump.




But we don't know the context of the Conversation, given the Media's rather 'judicious' editing of clips, I hold no weight to it - and I'll give an example - I've spoken about my family members like that when they have deserved it and I've been spoken about like that myself when I've been an asshat - doesn't mean that this is what I or my Family members think about each other on the whole.

I didn't specifically mean Jealousy when I said rivalry, but whilst a Federal Judge is noteworthy, it's not the PotUS is it....
She is very specific, he cannot be trusted, and is totally the wrong person for the job. It is hardly the who let out a sneaky fart at the family dinner table type statement you are making it out to be. It is a direct statement on his lack of fitness for the job.




I wasn't, I was referring to Antifa, BLM etc. who explicitly state that they want to tear down the western capitalist patriarchal structures (which is the US), and since you mentioned the Squad - they entirely support the likes of BLM. To answer the question of Quotes.

When BLM are advocating for expropriation and left-wing news outlets are not merely condoning it but actually justifying it In Defense of Destroying Property (https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/blm-looting-protest-vandalism/) and the likes of AOC cannot bring themselves to publicly denounce it, that's all the quote I need. Anyone who doesn't immediately say 'No, Expropriation is wrong' is already damned in my eyes.

The foundation of America is individual liberalism "life liberty and the pursuit of happiness", anyone who does not uphold that core value is opposed to the very essence of what America is, and by failing to take a definitive stance against Rioting, destruction of property, Murder etc. whilst supporting organisations that explicitly state they want to tear everything that America is down - yeah, I take that hatred for America.

It is a bit rich you mentioning AOC and ilk not condemning it, when clearly it is another free pass for Trump when doing the exact same thing over and over again. Shout outs to pedos, great people on both sides in Charlottesville, and on and on. Not to mention Trump is sidestepping/dismantling the constitution at every point he can get away with.




From the get-go everything about the Russian interference screamed 'sore loser syndrome' and the biggest smoking gun for me was the lack of a smoking gun, despite repeated claims by CNN and their Ilk that "This time, we have what will be the final nail in this presidency" - I'm happy to admit that at this point they've cried Wolf so many times that I'm forgoing the usual skeptic burden of proof and dismissing every sensationalist claim from the outset.

Should a sufficiently sound piece of evidence be presented, I'll entertain it, but thus far, nothing even remotely close has been forthcoming.

I invite you to watch the first 5 minutes of Robert Muellers blurb at the start of his grilling by congress. The man never took the dems bait and would not play their games (proving he is no Dem puppet), however, what he said in the first few minutes is incredibly damming that there absolutely was and is ongoing Russian interference. Furthermore, why would Trump go to extreme lengths to obstruct if there was nothing to hide?




Okay, I'm going to take this comment in 2 parts:

Firstly - Let's both assume our equal distrust of politicians and that we both expect that any politician will fail to live up to the promises made and that we will be equally disappointed with the result - That's still a policy set, even if partially/half-arsedly implemented that I think we could both agree isn't too bad, whereas compared to other parties there are Policy items that I am vehemently against. What I'm getting at here is based on Policy alone, someone like you could vote for a candidate that espoused those Policies.

Sure, I'm pretty sure we would both consider not pissing on a poly if they were on fire. Trump is not a politician. He is worse. He is a reality tv host running the presidency as such. He has failed at so many businesses, and now the USA is his business - a point that completely bypasses his base. He has mishandled the virus so badly that the economy is on the ropes and his ineffective leadership has ensured there is no end in sight to deaths and more financial mayhem. My business relies on the USA economy. I have remedied that as best I can by starting another revenue stream here in NZ and thankfully it is doing really, really well. Should of done it ages ago.


Next part is the Right Wing Violent groups: Which ones? I'm being very serious here - where are they? Are they taking over sections of Cities and burning them to the ground? Are they forcing Mayors to remove funding for the Police? Are they getting major corporate backing and virtue signalling? Are they thriving in the Universities and actively pushing students via certain BS courses into right-wing Extremism? Are they getting mainstream TV Coverage that runs interference for them? Are they being promoted by Mainstream Politicians, Sporting figures etc?

Literally, where are they?
OK, the KKK, Skinhead and white supremacy groups, and more for sure. I don't know there addresses, but they live in the USA.



This is where we get into the murky areas of Economic Theory - my personal view is that deregulation and tax cuts will always stimulate the economy, leading to lower unemployment and more growth, however the counter-point is also true that the Rich do get Richer, but it hides the other fact - the Poor get richer too, but at a slower rate. This is the cause of the increase in income disparity often associated with 'trickle-down' economics however this is best described thusly:

If inflation is 2% PA and the Rich person's income increases at 20% PA and the Poor person's income has only increased at 4% PA - Is this fair?

One might argue that the disparity is unfair, however the Poor person is still better off, their income has increased even when factored for Inflation. Whereas all the Jealous Marxist types only see the Rich getting richer and want to help themselves to some of that $$$.
Nope, the trickle down theory is bullshit. A lot of these corporations, banks and so on get rich of paying well below the living wage. Remember I was there for nearly 2 years and the poverty I saw there far exceeded anything I have seen here. It genuinely shocked me.

I invite you to watch the video below of my favorite USA poli Katie Porter making the point I made above in a much more succinct way....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WLuuCM6Ej0

[TheDemonLord]

Considering how long the border is, and what he promised - what has been actually achieved in the last 4 years is pitiful.
Red herring - really? Considering Trump says the wall is to stop the bad hombres, human traffickers, and illegal immigrants - I'm quite sure the price of a saw is not going to put them off one little bit considering the scale of what they are attempting in the first place. It will hardly deter the minority, yet alone the majority. Sorry mate, but it is a total fail for Trump.

But are you going to include the filibustering by the Democrats in 2018/2019, threats of Government Shutdowns etc? As for the Saw - put it this way - anyone with a decent set of Power tools could break into my Gunsafe, despite it meeting the NZ Standards. Does that mean that it isn't doing it's job or that it isn't effective at it's job?


She is very specific, he cannot be trusted, and is totally the wrong person for the job. It is hardly the who let out a sneaky fart at the family dinner table type statement you are making it out to be. It is a direct statement on his lack of fitness for the job.

Sure - but we don't know any of the context around what was asked or how the subject got there and considering it was a private conversation being recorded I put it to you that it was a setup, being asked leading questions and prompted to say something completely outrageous.

If we had the entire conversation including everything that was said leading up to it, maybe I might re-evaluate my tune.


It is a bit rich you mentioning AOC and ilk not condemning it, when clearly it is another free pass for Trump when doing the exact same thing over and over again. Shout outs to pedos, great people on both sides in Charlottesville, and on and on. Not to mention Trump is sidestepping/dismantling the constitution at every point he can get away with.

I thought his comments on Charlottesville (not the Media outrage soundbite, but what he actually said) was extremely level headed, not making a partisan statement and acknowledging both sides.

The difference however is that Trump for all his faults believes in the core principals of America - Individual liberty and Excellence, whereas AOC has stated support for Socialism and various Marxist revolutionary movements despite the wealth of history of how that turns out.

But wait! There's more! When the revolutionary Communists took over Seattle for 4 weeks - did they usher in Utopia? Did everything that the likes of AOC advocate for come to fruition? Or did it produce a Warlord and armed mercenaries who ended up murdering was it 7? 'People of Colour'.

Remember AOC has specifically supported the defunding/Abolition of the Police - and this is in the face of the evidence of what happens to Communities when the Police leave. Something which is a calling-card of the current crop of Marxist Revolutionaries.


I invite you to watch the first 5 minutes of Robert Muellers blurb at the start of his grilling by congress. The man never took the dems bait and would not play their games (proving he is no Dem puppet), however, what he said in the first few minutes is incredibly damming that there absolutely was and is ongoing Russian interference. Furthermore, why would Trump go to extreme lengths to obstruct if there was nothing to hide?

I'm 20 minutes into the below and so far all I've heard is a lot of hot air - nothing even remotely registering as proof or damning evidence - Unless that is the wrong video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFIoVAMSLX0

As for why he would go to extreme lengths: Would you co-operate with what you believed to be a blatant Government stitch-up? I certainly wouldn't - I'd obstruct with every means possible even if I'd done no wrong because to yield the protections against the Tyranny of the State, to the State whilst it's being Tyrannical is never a right.


Sure, I'm pretty sure we would both consider not pissing on a poly if they were on fire. Trump is not a politician. He is worse. He is a reality tv host running the presidency as such. He has failed at so many businesses, and now the USA is his business - a point that completely bypasses his base.

Reagan was an Actor, Wilson was a Professor, I'd go so far to say that not being a traditional politician is one of his greatest appeals.


He has mishandled the virus so badly that the economy is on the ropes and his ineffective leadership has ensured there is no end in sight to deaths and more financial mayhem. My business relies on the USA economy. I have remedied that as best I can by starting another revenue stream here in NZ and thankfully it is doing really, really well. Should of done it ages ago.

So, Here's an area where I personally DO criticize Trump, but I need to put it in perspective - I'm not a huge fan of the Federalist system, Probably because I'm British and the idea of a single authority figure, with a Government legislation that applies to everyone is the 'proper' way to Govern.

I think Trump should have set-out a Federal policy as to what should be done.

However, a lot of Americans who really like the Federalist system have stated that they really appreciate that Trump has respected State's rights to self-determine what they need and apply for Federal assistance when needed.

Suffice to say I disagree with them and this course of action has lead to unnecessary Deaths. The Federalists however simply point to each State's Governors as ultimately responsible.

But yes, On this issue, I disagree with the Federalist perspective and think Trump should have taken action.


OK, the KKK, Skinhead and white supremacy groups, and more for sure. I don't know there addresses, but they live in the USA.

Sure, they exist - but where are they? Are they out Rioting and Looting? Are they taking over sections of Cities? Are they murdering people? Given what is currently happening there is no comparison - the worst they do is walk down the street, waive a confederate flag, shout Sieg Heil, make a salute and fuck off.


Nope, the trickle down theory is bullshit. A lot of these corporations, banks and so on get rich of paying well below the living wage. Remember I was there for nearly 2 years and the poverty I saw there far exceeded anything I have seen here. It genuinely shocked me.

I invite you to watch the video below of my favorite USA poli Katie Porter making the point I made above in a much more succinct way....

If I was to point to Reagonomics and cite the general and specific increases of GDP, even adjusted for Inflation that showed the average wage earner was better off under the Reagonomics policy. Unemployment was massively down etc. Or the post Thatcher economic Boom. Or we could go the other way and back to my favourite bug-bear - the USSR, Venezuela etc.

Watching the video - It's really simple:

1: Don't have kids out of Wedlock/committed relationship
2: Don't have kids when you are on an Entry level job
3: Don't live in a state that has some of the highest cost of living in the Country

Those 3 factors are not the concern of the Bank in setting it's salary - Each one of those represents a choice, made by the Individual and those choices have consequences. Run that same wage calculation but for someone fresh out of high school, late teens, early twenties, no Kids, flatting as opposed to renting an entire house by themselves - And I'd be willing to bet that the calculations look a whole lot better.

But let's be really harsh: The Government raises the minimum wage or imposes regulations or otherwise interferes - The bank deems her job is no longer economical (that is, the value that they get from the work done doesn't exceed the cost of employing her) and now she's Unemployed.

This is something you see in Small-Town NZ when a major employer pulls out, all that Money Velocity that was generated, stops and the Towns suffer for it, or for my personal favorite example: One of the main functions of Prostitutes in Frontier Towns in the Wild West era was to encourage Miners and workers to spend their money and thus generate sufficient money velocity to sustain the town.

And finally yes: In Trickle Down economics the Rich do get disproportionately Richer, but so long as everyone else is better off too, that's what we should care about.

[pritch]

Another day, another raft of Hatch Act violations by the "law and order" president, his wife, and his Secretary of State.

A rag tag bunch of armed RWNJs arrived at the protests in Kenosha, WI. They were greeted with bottles of water and thanked for their attendance by the police, who then advised these Rambo wannabe idiots, "We will push them down by you 'cause you can deal with them. Then we're gonna leave."

A seventeen year old who had travelled from out of state with his AR15, and his rubber gloves, then shot multiple protestors killing two. He was not arrested at the scene but was arrested when he got back home to Illinois.

The killer has been described as a "Boogaloo Boy" in the press but in none of the clips I've seen was he identifiable as such. More likely just some inadequate who decided to do this instead of yet another school shooting.

[Viking01]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/08/26/trump-pushes-new-tax-cuts-wealthy-analysis-shows-us-billionaires-800-billion-richer

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/08/26/trump-pushes-new-tax-cuts-wealthy-analysis-shows-us-billionaires-800-billion-richer

Literally, as if on Cue:


Whereas all the Jealous Marxist types only see the Rich getting richer and want to help themselves to some of that $$$.

[Viking01]

Literally, as if on Cue:

A rough date would do.

Is it before the election, or afterwards ?

[TheDemonLord]

A rough date would do.

Is it before the election, or afterwards ?

The source you posted, is from the Marxist perspective, espousing the talking points that I said that they would make in regards to Trickle-Down economics.

[Viking01]

The source you posted, is from the Marxist perspective, espousing the talking points that I said that they would make in regards to Trickle-Down economics.

I know where it came from. I just wanted a rough date.

[sugilite]

But are you going to include the filibustering by the Democrats in 2018/2019, threats of Government Shutdowns etc? As for the Saw - put it this way - anyone with a decent set of Power tools could break into my Gunsafe, despite it meeting the NZ Standards. Does that mean that it isn't doing it's job or that it isn't effective at it's job?



Sure - but we don't know any of the context around what was asked or how the subject got there and considering it was a private conversation being recorded I put it to you that it was a setup, being asked leading questions and prompted to say something completely outrageous.

If we had the entire conversation including everything that was said leading up to it, maybe I might re-evaluate my tune.



I thought his comments on Charlottesville (not the Media outrage soundbite, but what he actually said) was extremely level headed, not making a partisan statement and acknowledging both sides.

The difference however is that Trump for all his faults believes in the core principals of America - Individual liberty and Excellence, whereas AOC has stated support for Socialism and various Marxist revolutionary movements despite the wealth of history of how that turns out.

But wait! There's more! When the revolutionary Communists took over Seattle for 4 weeks - did they usher in Utopia? Did everything that the likes of AOC advocate for come to fruition? Or did it produce a Warlord and armed mercenaries who ended up murdering was it 7? 'People of Colour'.

Remember AOC has specifically supported the defunding/Abolition of the Police - and this is in the face of the evidence of what happens to Communities when the Police leave. Something which is a calling-card of the current crop of Marxist Revolutionaries.



I'm 20 minutes into the below and so far all I've heard is a lot of hot air - nothing even remotely registering as proof or damning evidence - Unless that is the wrong video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFIoVAMSLX0

As for why he would go to extreme lengths: Would you co-operate with what you believed to be a blatant Government stitch-up? I certainly wouldn't - I'd obstruct with every means possible even if I'd done no wrong because to yield the protections against the Tyranny of the State, to the State whilst it's being Tyrannical is never a right.



Reagan was an Actor, Wilson was a Professor, I'd go so far to say that not being a traditional politician is one of his greatest appeals.



So, Here's an area where I personally DO criticize Trump, but I need to put it in perspective - I'm not a huge fan of the Federalist system, Probably because I'm British and the idea of a single authority figure, with a Government legislation that applies to everyone is the 'proper' way to Govern.

I think Trump should have set-out a Federal policy as to what should be done.

However, a lot of Americans who really like the Federalist system have stated that they really appreciate that Trump has respected State's rights to self-determine what they need and apply for Federal assistance when needed.

Suffice to say I disagree with them and this course of action has lead to unnecessary Deaths. The Federalists however simply point to each State's Governors as ultimately responsible.

But yes, On this issue, I disagree with the Federalist perspective and think Trump should have taken action.



Sure, they exist - but where are they? Are they out Rioting and Looting? Are they taking over sections of Cities? Are they murdering people? Given what is currently happening there is no comparison - the worst they do is walk down the street, waive a confederate flag, shout Sieg Heil, make a salute and fuck off.



If I was to point to Reagonomics and cite the general and specific increases of GDP, even adjusted for Inflation that showed the average wage earner was better off under the Reagonomics policy. Unemployment was massively down etc. Or the post Thatcher economic Boom. Or we could go the other way and back to my favourite bug-bear - the USSR, Venezuela etc.

Watching the video - It's really simple:

1: Don't have kids out of Wedlock/committed relationship
2: Don't have kids when you are on an Entry level job
3: Don't live in a state that has some of the highest cost of living in the Country

Those 3 factors are not the concern of the Bank in setting it's salary - Each one of those represents a choice, made by the Individual and those choices have consequences. Run that same wage calculation but for someone fresh out of high school, late teens, early twenties, no Kids, flatting as opposed to renting an entire house by themselves - And I'd be willing to bet that the calculations look a whole lot better.

But let's be really harsh: The Government raises the minimum wage or imposes regulations or otherwise interferes - The bank deems her job is no longer economical (that is, the value that they get from the work done doesn't exceed the cost of employing her) and now she's Unemployed.

This is something you see in Small-Town NZ when a major employer pulls out, all that Money Velocity that was generated, stops and the Towns suffer for it, or for my personal favorite example: One of the main functions of Prostitutes in Frontier Towns in the Wild West era was to encourage Miners and workers to spend their money and thus generate sufficient money velocity to sustain the town.

And finally yes: In Trickle Down economics the Rich do get disproportionately Richer, but so long as everyone else is better off too, that's what we should care about.

I don't have time to reply to that lot presently - but in the mean time, enjoy your guy below.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdZTMnlZaTg

[TheDemonLord]

Another day, another raft of Hatch Act violations by the "law and order" president, his wife, and his Secretary of State.

A rag tag bunch of armed RWNJs arrived at the protests in Kenosha, WI. They were greeted with bottles of water and thanked for their attendance by the police, who then advised these Rambo wannabe idiots, "We will push them down by you 'cause you can deal with them. Then we're gonna leave."

A seventeen year old who had travelled from out of state with his AR15, and his rubber gloves, then shot multiple protestors killing two. He was not arrested at the scene but was arrested when he got back home to Illinois.

The killer has been described as a "Boogaloo Boy" in the press but in none of the clips I've seen was he identifiable as such. More likely just some inadequate who decided to do this instead of yet another school shooting.

So, if someone kicks you to the floor and draws a pistol on you, you shouldn't defend yourself?

Then, when the angry Mob, seeing you've just shot and killed someone whilst trying to defend yourself, start charging at you, you also shouldn't defend yourself?

I mean you could argue that he shouldn't have been there in the first place, but if you want to play that card, then I get to play "Neither should the rioters".

Edit: Oh and the 2 people that were Shot? A Convicted Pedophile and a Convicted Domestic Abuser - so I'm sure they were just upstanding moral citizens who were only protesting....

[pritch]

I don't have time to reply to that lot presently - but in the mean time, enjoy your guy below.


Geez don't quote TDL's stuff. Some of that is unhinged verging on diagnosable.

[TheDemonLord]

Geez don't quote TDL's stuff. Some of that is unhinged verging on diagnosable.

And yet, if it is so unhinged as to be diagnosable, it would be easily dismissed and wouldn't cause you any trouble.

The fact I get such a visceral response shows that I'm repeatedly hitting a nerve, to the point where you have to clutch your pearls and put me on an ignore list, lest you get tainted by my Heresy.

[pritch]

This is brilliant. Sadly it will likely result in a tldr response from those who most need to read it. Seriously though it is worth the time.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/

[pritch]

The fact I get such a visceral response shows that I'm repeatedly hitting a nerve,

Not at all. The level of delusion is just sad. There is enough sadness in the world without my finding more here.

[TheDemonLord]

Not at all. The level of delusion is just sad. There is enough sadness in the world without my finding more here.

Your faux-concern is deeply touching - but it rings hollow, after-all, if you didn't want to find Sadness, why click on this thread? Plenty of Hilarious Cat and Dog videos on the Internet guaranteed to bring joy to you.

The reason you post here (as do I) is because you enjoy putting your point of view across.

The Sadness and despair you feel when you read my posts is not any concern you profess over me or my Character - you don't know me nor do I believe we've ever met.

Instead, the Sadness and despair you feel is that you know on some things, what I say has elements that contradicts your world-view and deep down you know them to be true and THAT is the cause of your sadness and the only way to deal with it is to block it out and like a Nun in confessional, repeat your ideological equivalent of 10 Hail Marys and 5 Our Fathers.

[TheDemonLord]

https://i.redd.it/ldhz3bsixjj51.png

[Dean]

Geez don't quote TDL's stuff. Some of that is unhinged verging on diagnosable.

Agree, TDL needs to get out his basement, stop writing Harry Potter novels and in to the real world.

The 17 year old has been charged with:
- Possession of a dangerous weapon (he was unlawfully carrying a firearm as he was under 18)
- Recklessly endangering safety (wonder why....)
- First degree reckless homicide
- First degree INTENTIONAL homicide

But if you ask TDL he will have an excuse for each one of these charges - maybe he could be the kids legal representation? Like to see him justify the unlawful killing of x2 people because of their moral standing. I recall a similar justification was used in Nazi Germany....

Sadly TDL wouldn’t peep a word if said 17yr old were a different colour.
In that case he would label “thug” or “terrorist”.

And that’s the ugly truth folks.

[pritch]

Trump will be crying into his Diet Coke. We all know how completely out of shape he is about ratings, but he lost out to Biden across the board.

Some journalists still refer to the most recent effort as the Republican National Convention (RNC), but the Republican Party hierarchy were in short supply. It was largely the Trump family show.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/

[Katman]

Trump will be crying into his Diet Coke. We all know how completely out of shape he is about ratings, but he lost out to Biden across the board.

Some journalists still refer to the most recent effort as the Republican National Convention (RNC), but the Republican Party hierarchy were in short supply. It was largely the Trump family show.

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/political-commentary/covid-19-end-of-american-era-wade-davis-1038206/

You posted the same link yesterday.

Senility appears to be getting the better of you.

[sugilite]

But are you going to include the filibustering by the Democrats in 2018/2019, threats of Government Shutdowns etc? As for the Saw - put it this way - anyone with a decent set of Power tools could break into my Gunsafe, despite it meeting the NZ Standards. Does that mean that it isn't doing it's job or that it isn't effective at it's job?
So if Obama had wanted to build a wall of the scale Trump proposed, the republicans would of been like "hell yeah, we support that!". :laugh:
If your safe is that easy to compromise, then we should probably tighten up what guns people can own even tighter eh :devil2:




Sure - but we don't know any of the context around what was asked or how the subject got there and considering it was a private conversation being recorded I put it to you that it was a setup, being asked leading questions and prompted to say something completely outrageous.

If we had the entire conversation including everything that was said leading up to it, maybe I might re-evaluate my tune.
Now you want some context on what is very obvious and clear statements when on the other hand you became an expert on how Greta Thunberg was bought up from a possibly fake t shirt photos and the mother being an opera singer - give me a break man! :facepalm:





I thought his comments on Charlottesville (not the Media outrage soundbite, but what he actually said) was extremely level headed, not making a partisan statement and acknowledging both sides.

The difference however is that Trump for all his faults believes in the core principals of America - Individual liberty and Excellence, whereas AOC has stated support for Socialism and various Marxist revolutionary movements despite the wealth of history of how that turns out.

But wait! There's more! When the revolutionary Communists took over Seattle for 4 weeks - did they usher in Utopia? Did everything that the likes of AOC advocate for come to fruition? Or did it produce a Warlord and armed mercenaries who ended up murdering was it 7? 'People of Colour'.

Remember AOC has specifically supported the defunding/Abolition of the Police - and this is in the face of the evidence of what happens to Communities when the Police leave. Something which is a calling-card of the current crop of Marxist Revolutionaries.

Man - the marxists and communists only live in your head and under your bed. The reason you don't have any problem with Trumps statements is you have a fascist outlook on race relations and such.
See the latest murders were by a 17 year old radicalized by Trump. Bet some of the other murders of people by color were by the same types.



I'm 20 minutes into the below and so far all I've heard is a lot of hot air - nothing even remotely registering as proof or damning evidence - Unless that is the wrong video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFIoVAMSLX0

As for why he would go to extreme lengths: Would you co-operate with what you believed to be a blatant Government stitch-up? I certainly wouldn't - I'd obstruct with every means possible even if I'd done no wrong because to yield the protections against the Tyranny of the State, to the State whilst it's being Tyrannical is never a right.
If you want to ignore an former FBI director saying there absolutely was and is interference going on, then by all means take a page out of Trumps book and ignore the intelligence agencies and go with your gut feelings.
What a lot of tripe, nothing would make one look guiltier by acting as if there is shit to cover up :facepalm:



Reagan was an Actor, Wilson was a Professor, I'd go so far to say that not being a traditional politician is one of his greatest appeals.
Along with weekly law breaking, subverting the constitution, fraud, sexism and racism - what a guy!



Sure, they exist - but where are they? Are they out Rioting and Looting? Are they taking over sections of Cities? Are they murdering people? Given what is currently happening there is no comparison - the worst they do is walk down the street, waive a confederate flag, shout Sieg Heil, make a salute and fuck off.
No, no, no - they have infiltrated black lives matter and such and are looting and murdering people - several have been caught. Funny how you never mention them eh?




Watching the video - It's really simple:

1: Don't have kids out of Wedlock/committed relationship
2: Don't have kids when you are on an Entry level job
3: Don't live in a state that has some of the highest cost of living in the Country

What, you are not wanting context? Just mapping her life out as if you know it all.
1. How do you know she was not married and he fucked off for something younger like your hero does?
2. see above, could well have been a dual income.
3. So how does one get the money to move when their country is loaded against keeping the poor that way?

Why does the filthy rich bank not pay a living wage in this so called high cost of living area?

I see know all three of his campaign managers are going down for fraud and shit now.
Your whole approach to Trump is like the following.....
You come home and your house is on fire, your wife and kid are inside, you hear sirens approaching and all hell is breaking loose. Your reaction? "Look at that small wee fire, think I will pop down to pac n save to grab some marshmallows".

Though I heavily suspect as you admit you just like to argue and the Trump train gives you the perfect platform to do so. Toot toot!
Obviously I'm an argumentative sod too :msn-wink:

[sugilite]

Agree, TDL needs to get out his basement, stop writing Harry Potter novels and in to the real world.

The 17 year old has been charged with:
- Possession of a dangerous weapon (he was unlawfully carrying a firearm as he was under 18)
- Recklessly endangering safety (wonder why....)
- First degree reckless homicide
- First degree INTENTIONAL homicide

But if you ask TDL he will have an excuse for each one of these charges - maybe he could be the kids legal representation? Like to see him justify the unlawful killing of x2 people because of their moral standing. I recall a similar justification was used in Nazi Germany....

Sadly TDL wouldn’t peep a word if said 17yr old were a different colour.
In that case he would label “thug” or “terrorist”.

And that’s the ugly truth folks.

Sage post.
Unless TDL is a night shift worker, he writes 90% of his fables on the company he works for dime, it is rare to hear from him when he is not on the clock. Just something I noticed.

[sugilite]

Ahhh fuck em, they can just harden up and get sick and possibly die along with their families.
Trumps golf games and these days often illegal campaign platforms are much more important. Suck it up secret service guys.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300094606/coronavirus-us-secret-service-struggles-to-cope-with-cases-as-agents-travel-for-trump-events

[pritch]

Now you want some context on what is very obvious and clear statements


Indeed.

In another life I had to conduct interviews in the course of the job. Experience caused me to be less than thrilled when the interviewee was a lawyer. Lawyers tend to be very precise in their use of language and guarded in what they say. So much so that the end result was not always particularly useful.

In addition to having been a lawyer Trump's sister had been a federal judge for decades. It's likely being careful with words was the habit of a lifetime. Although the recorded conversations were not in a formal situation, this was no innocent abroad. OK, the other party was her niece, although they weren't close. There are new clips coming out all the time, there is no evidence of gotcha or trap questions in any that I've heard.




Though I heavily suspect as you admit you just like to argue and the Trump train gives you the perfect platform to do so. Toot toot!


The arguments though defy all logic. They believe that he's a successful business man. Six bankruptcies and a huge list of failed businesses including Casinos FFS! Overnight our time another one went down, the Trump Vancouver has filed for bankruptcy.

No US bank will lend Trump money. He failed to pay back a DeutchBank loan then took legal action against them. In normal circumstances that would end that relationship, but he received new finance from the bank. It's believed he had guarantors, but nobody in the US will back him so the backers are presumed to be Russian oligarchs.

He is reported to have committed tax fraud and bank fraud. He could release his tax returns and clear everything up, but no, he's doing everything he can to prevent that.

His supporters believe that he's smart. He has threatened legal action against any educational institution that releases his records. He paid someone else to take his SATs. He got his sister to do some of his university papers. As any stable genius would do?

He has been accused of rape and sexual assault by maybe a score of women. One accuser says she has DNA and has requested a sample of Trump's DNA. To prove his innocence he has only to provide the sample. He won't.

He's a five time draft dodging coward.

He has mishandled every emergency that has occurred during his presidency. By the time the election arrives there'll be a death toll approaching 250,000. He is still doing nothing about the pandemic except slow down the rate of testing. No testing = no disease.:brick:

Pandemic? What pandemic?

[pritch]

It's only a matter of time until he does a swan dive from a height.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ny2-wqffqcg

[sugilite]

Here is some more context for Demon Lord to ponder....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBh1CfSZSbA

[Dean]

Sage post.
Unless TDL is a night shift worker, he writes 90% of his fables on the company he works for dime, it is rare to hear from him when he is not on the clock. Just something I noticed.

Await for the 3 part novel rampage when he clocks in tomorrow morning.

(Once he’s swept the showroom floor and dusted the blinds) lol

[TheDemonLord]

Agree, TDL needs to get out his basement, stop writing Harry Potter novels and in to the real world.

The 17 year old has been charged with:
- Possession of a dangerous weapon (he was unlawfully carrying a firearm as he was under 18)
- Recklessly endangering safety (wonder why....)
- First degree reckless homicide
- First degree INTENTIONAL homicide

But if you ask TDL he will have an excuse for each one of these charges - maybe he could be the kids legal representation? Like to see him justify the unlawful killing of x2 people because of their moral standing. I recall a similar justification was used in Nazi Germany....

Sadly TDL wouldn’t peep a word if said 17yr old were a different colour.
In that case he would label “thug” or “terrorist”.

And that’s the ugly truth folks.

Colour has nothing to do with it.

Have you watched the videos on any of the shootings? In all cases he was attacked, whilst retreating before he fired.

Person 1 threw something at him, then charged him attempting to seize his rifle - He got shot multiple times and died. He then immediately called the police to inform them of the shooting.

Then, attempting to withdraw with a mob coming after him, some guy gets him on the ground and tries to pull a gun on him - who gets shot in the Arm, not fatally shot.

Person 2 attempts to seize his rifle, he rolls to the side and fires a single shot through the heart.

Afterwards he turns himself in to the police.

I'll hear an argument that he was playing Cop and shouldn't have been there, but if you want to indulge that, then you'll have to concede that the Rioters shouldn't have been there either.

There's also footage from the evening before the shooting of him grabbing a Fire Extinguisher to put out a fire that the rioters were attempting to start on a building (this is believed to be the catalyst for the first shooting - the Rioters were upset someone stopped their Orgy of Destruction) and footage of him proving medical aid to Rioters who were injured.

Simply put - this is probably going to be a textbook case whereby the Defence is going to argue that his actions constitute the very definition of a 'well regulated militia', point to the video evidence of him attempting to withdraw whilst being chased and attacked by an Angry Mob out for Blood and Destruction and claim self defence.

Edit:

As an aside - I can't stand Harry Potter. I forced myself to watch the movies and wasn't impressed (except the Score - the Soundtrack was amazing)

[TheDemonLord]

So if Obama had wanted to build a wall of the scale Trump proposed, the republicans would of been like "hell yeah, we support that!". :laugh:

Of course there'd be party grandstanding - just like what the Republicans did over Obamacare.

As a point of reference though, I'm sure I've stated previously I would have voted for Obama (although knowing what I know now, I wouldn't have)


If your safe is that easy to compromise, then we should probably tighten up what guns people can own even tighter eh :devil2:

gr8 b8 m8, I r8 8/8.


Now you want some context on what is very obvious and clear statements when on the other hand you became an expert on how Greta Thunberg was bought up from a possibly fake t shirt photos and the mother being an opera singer - give me a break man! :facepalm:

Completely different Circumstances - one being a private conversation taped in secret by a 3rd party and the other being a publicly posted picture by the person themselves.


Man - the marxists and communists only live in your head and under your bed. The reason you don't have any problem with Trumps statements is you have a fascist outlook on race relations and such.

I don't know how you can say that, when the BLM founders proudly state they are trained Marxists. Or when you get people like Ash Sakur in the UK on the BBC proudly stating she's a Communist. Or the Teachers pay dispute in NZ when they were marching quite happily next Socialist Aotearoa banner, or our Prime Minister who was the head of the Socialist Youth.

As for the last statement, that's a pretty serious accusation - and one, if I'm quite honest, I'm a bit fucked off at. I don't care for ANYONE colour. I care a bit about peoples Ideas and some of those ideas have a cultural element that the disingenuous seek to conflate with Race.

If you think that my generally libertarian leanings are somehow Fascist - then that is only definitive proof of how far Left the current left have gone.

Further to add to this - You are approaching this like this is a result of Trump - I can assure you that this 'Culture War' predated Trump running for office. His election was a revolt by the populace against the creeping Political Correctness and Social Justice - I've been aware of this since around 2011.


See the latest murders were by a 17 year old radicalized by Trump. Bet some of the other murders of people by color were by the same types.

Maybe... Just Maybe... He was radicalized by seeing revolutionary communists burning down his community.

Just like Ken and Karen Chadbro - lifelong Democrat voters until the Revolutionary Communists mob threatened their home.


If you want to ignore an former FBI director saying there absolutely was and is interference going on, then by all means take a page out of Trumps book and ignore the intelligence agencies and go with your gut feelings.
What a lot of tripe, nothing would make one look guiltier by acting as if there is shit to cover up :facepalm:

This is not ignoring, I've long since accepted that in every US election from around the 1930s onwards there has been Russian interference. My original burden of proof was that the level of interference exceeded that of previous elections and was more effective - and considering all the known factors from the electoral data, the case doesn't have merit on it's face.

But being the fair-minded person I am, I took another listen - I heard claims (from a source I treat as suspect and politically motivated) but what I didn't hear was anything approaching proof.


Along with weekly law breaking, subverting the constitution, fraud, sexism and racism - what a guy

Taking you on your word: Still more preferable to what the wannabe revolutionaries want....


No, no, no - they have infiltrated black lives matter and such and are looting and murdering people - several have been caught. Funny how you never mention them eh?

I have no doubt that some bad actors have joined in under the banner of the rioting and looting to cause further chaos. The problem is two-fold:

1: The BLM movement had advocated for things like expropriation, and other revolutionary communist ideals... because they are 'Trained Marxists'
2: The actions of BLM are consistent with the likes of CHAZ/CHOP and every other revolution that has happened prior.


What, you are not wanting context? Just mapping her life out as if you know it all.
1. How do you know she was not married and he fucked off for something younger like your hero does?

70% of all Divorces are initiated by Women, which (depending on some factors) can rise as high as 90% - so if she was married and divorced - statistically, she would have instigated it.

As for Context - it was presented as a specific example of a wider issue, a meta-example if you will - thus it is the meta-context that is relevant.


2. see above, could well have been a dual income.
3. So how does one get the money to move when their country is loaded against keeping the poor that way?

Do you have to pay a fee to cross state lines? I get that Moving has a cost associated with it - but she still chooses to live somewhere that (as presented) they cannot afford to live, when you see that the location has the highest cost of living - suggesting moving to another area with a lower cost of living is the only rational option.


Why does the filthy rich bank not pay a living wage in this so called high cost of living area?

Why should the Bank pay a premium for non-premium labor in order to subsidize their employees Life Choices?


I see know all three of his campaign managers are going down for fraud and shit now.
Your whole approach to Trump is like the following.....
You come home and your house is on fire, your wife and kid are inside, you hear sirens approaching and all hell is breaking loose. Your reaction? "Look at that small wee fire, think I will pop down to pac n save to grab some marshmallows".

You mean like when there's multiple businesses on fire, People are rioting, you see the Police in full gear and the Media coverage is 'Mostly peacefull'?

And you wonder why I'm a teensy bit skeptical?


Though I heavily suspect as you admit you just like to argue and the Trump train gives you the perfect platform to do so. Toot toot!
Obviously I'm an argumentative sod too :msn-wink:

Oh I definitely like to argue, I'm not shy about that - It's more that Trump pisses the right people off, He acts in a manner that makes them show their true colours. I can point out all the Communist rhetoric till I'm blue in the face and the 'normies' (average people who haven't been involved in the goings on of the past decade) won't bat an eyelid or might think I'm a loon - but when they burn down cities, create communes, demand that Police be defunded etc. The average person goes 'wait, what?'.


Sage post.
Unless TDL is a night shift worker, he writes 90% of his fables on the company he works for dime, it is rare to hear from him when he is not on the clock. Just something I noticed.

100% true - it helps me think - sometimes a particular problem I'm working on has me stumped - coming here and arguing (and engaging different parts of my brain) often helps me come back to whatever it is I'm doing from a different perspective.

And in case anyone is wondering 'Does my Boss know?' - They've got a login on here (as we both ride) and so is aware of some of the Great TDL Novels that I write, fortunately however - I'm a quick typist.

[Dean]

Colour has nothing to do with it.

Have you watched the videos on any of the shootings? In all cases he was attacked, whilst retreating before he fired.

Person 1 threw something at him, then charged him attempting to seize his rifle - He got shot multiple times and died. He then immediately called the police to inform them of the shooting.

Then, attempting to withdraw with a mob coming after him, some guy gets him on the ground and tries to pull a gun on him - who gets shot in the Arm, not fatally shot.

Person 2 attempts to seize his rifle, he rolls to the side and fires a single shot through the heart.

Afterwards he turns himself in to the police.

I'll hear an argument that he was playing Cop and shouldn't have been there, but if you want to indulge that, then you'll have to concede that the Rioters shouldn't have been there either.

There's also footage from the evening before the shooting of him grabbing a Fire Extinguisher to put out a fire that the rioters were attempting to start on a building (this is believed to be the catalyst for the first shooting - the Rioters were upset someone stopped their Orgy of Destruction) and footage of him proving medical aid to Rioters who were injured.

Simply put - this is probably going to be a textbook case whereby the Defence is going to argue that his actions constitute the very definition of a 'well regulated militia', point to the video evidence of him attempting to withdraw whilst being chased and attacked by an Angry Mob out for Blood and Destruction and claim self defence.

Edit:

As an aside - I can't stand Harry Potter. I forced myself to watch the movies and wasn't impressed (except the Score - the Soundtrack was amazing)

The root of the issue here is this was all avoidable - had he not got involved.

But you use deflection by creating an argument of “well then they shouldn’t be there either”.
This is an unproductive approach, doesn’t encourage accountability & wouldn’t hold up in court and you know it.

This kid knowingly accepted the risks of getting involved by travelling across state lines, illegally brandishing an assault weapon (which you seem to breeze past, the protestor who pulled a gun on him was legally carrying and practising HIS right to self defence). Therefore he must accept the consequences that come with it.

It is questionable whether the kid had bad intentions - he didn’t own any of the businesses that he was trying to protect. But didn’t mind putting some bullets through a few individuals.

I have seen the videos and only a minute few of protesters were visibly carrying guns, how is that kid acting out of self defence when he is the clear aggressor with an assault rifle? Its just as fair to state that the protesters acted out of self defence because an armed man illegally brandishing an assault weapon was a direct threat to their lives?

[sugilite]

Completely different Circumstances - one being a private conversation taped in secret by a 3rd party and the other being a publicly posted picture by the person themselves.
Really, was it posted on one of her social media accounts or something?




I don't know how you can say that, when the BLM founders proudly state they are trained Marxists.
Really? links?


As for the last statement, that's a pretty serious accusation - and one, if I'm quite honest, I'm a bit fucked off at. I don't care for ANYONE colour. I care a bit about peoples Ideas and some of those ideas have a cultural element that the disingenuous seek to conflate with Race.

If you think that my generally libertarian leanings are somehow Fascist - then that is only definitive proof of how far Left the current left have gone.

You profess to slightly leaning to the left but post 99% from the hard right. You deny Black people the right to protest due to your socialism communist hatred. I stand by my comment, you posts have a lot of fascist overtones. A leader or 2 are fans of Marxism, so they must all be predominantly Marxists seems to be the rule of thumb for you.



Maybe... Just Maybe... He was radicalized by seeing revolutionary communists burning down his community.

Just like Ken and Karen Chadbro - lifelong Democrat voters until the Revolutionary Communists mob threatened their home.
His social media professes blue lives matter and Trump support. Which is fine until you start murdering people.
If it is the couple I think you are talking about, the protesters never even approached their home. Just a couple of rednecks wanting to get their guns out.




This is not ignoring, I've long since accepted that in every US election from around the 1930s onwards there has been Russian interference. My original burden of proof was that the level of interference exceeded that of previous elections and was more effective - and considering all the known factors from the electoral data, the case doesn't have merit on it's face.

But being the fair-minded person I am, I took another listen - I heard claims (from a source I treat as suspect and politically motivated) but what I didn't hear was anything approaching proof.
Conveniently forgetting that Trump called on Russia to hack US government servers, which they then obliged. And that was only on the surface that people could see, imagine what was going on out of sight - wakey wakey.




Taking you on your word: Still more preferable to what the wannabe revolutionaries want....
You mean the completely ineffective Marxists that do not stand a chance of even getting a toenail hold in the USA vs a President actively dismantling the constitution while pillaging and raping the system for his own advantage? My Goodness man, your Marxists fears are surely at mental illness levels.




I have no doubt that some bad actors have joined in under the banner of the rioting and looting to cause further chaos.

And lets watch that expand as Trump is laughably running on law and order. Would not surprise me one bit if Trump and his minions financed infiltrators to keep the fear factor going.



70% of all Divorces are initiated by Women, which (depending on some factors) can rise as high as 90% - so if she was married and divorced - statistically, she would have instigated it.

As for Context - it was presented as a specific example of a wider issue, a meta-example if you will - thus it is the meta-context that is relevant.

And all this crystal ball work, but Trumps own sisters clear and concise recordings - including the latest out yesterday, which adds context for you as well. Just sad bro.



Why should the Bank pay a premium for non-premium labor in order to subsidize their employees Life Choices?
Yes, why should the filthy rich bankers pay a living wage to employees living in the area their branches operate. :facepalm:




You mean like when there's multiple businesses on fire, People are rioting, you see the Police in full gear and the Media coverage is 'Mostly peacefull'?

And you wonder why I'm a teensy bit skeptical?
No, your Marxist paranoia fogs your views on so many subjects.




Oh I definitely like to argue, I'm not shy about that - It's more that Trump pisses the right people off, He acts in a manner that makes them show their true colours. I can point out all the Communist rhetoric till I'm blue in the face and the 'normies' (average people who haven't been involved in the goings on of the past decade) won't bat an eyelid or might think I'm a loon - but when they burn down cities, create communes, demand that Police be defunded etc. The average person goes 'wait, what?'.
And here we go again, if you had spent any time in the USA, you would realize marxism, communism, socialism simply could not exist there. The majority of protesters would ask you WTF with all this crazy babbling you do while devaluing their right to protest their MANY genuine grievances.

[pritch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9P2IYE9Uw4

[sugilite]

He only hires the best - until they are not - then he cannot remember their names or labels them ex disgruntled employees. It is never "him" eh Demon lord? :laugh:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgAn22SW-Jc

Shit at hiring
Shit Manager
Shit for brains

[TheDemonLord]

The root of the issue here is this was all avoidable - had he not got involved.

Or if the Rioters weren't rioting - which, y'know was the instigating factor, the reason he decided to get involved in the first place.


But you use deflection by creating an argument of “well then they shouldn’t be there either”.
This is an unproductive approach, doesn’t encourage accountability & wouldn’t hold up in court and you know it.

Who committed the first illegal act - let's start there - which happens to be entirely relevant, even in a court.


This kid knowingly accepted the risks of getting involved by travelling across state lines, illegally brandishing an assault weapon (which you seem to breeze past, the protestor who pulled a gun on him was legally carrying and practising HIS right to self defence). Therefore he must accept the consequences that come with it.

And he did - he called the Police and turned himself in. The problem with 'practicing HIS right to self defence' as you put it, is two-fold:

1: Rittenhouse was retreating from the location whilst being chased by the person who he subsequently shot. Even in States that have Stand-your-ground laws (whereby you can use deadly force for self-defence in Public, without the requirement of first trying to remove yourself from the confrontation) - the moment you advance on someone - that makes YOU the aggressor.

2: Rittenhouse had his Rifle (not an assault weapon) in a low ready, before the other person pulled his weapon and started to present it towards him - at which point, he got shot in the Arm - Therefore clearly the aggresor.

The fact that he didn't fire any follow-up shots (which he was both capable and would have been justified in doing so, since the guy was still holding onto his Firearm) is proof that he was only shooting to remove the threat, not to kill.


It is questionable whether the kid had bad intentions - he didn’t own any of the businesses that he was trying to protect. But didn’t mind putting some bullets through a few individuals.

Does he need to?


I have seen the videos and only a minute few of protesters were visibly carrying guns, how is that kid acting out of self defence when he is the clear aggressor with an assault rifle? Its just as fair to state that the protesters acted out of self defence because an armed man illegally brandishing an assault weapon was a direct threat to their lives?

Firstly - pet peeve - not an Assault Rifle - doesn't have a Fun selector.

https://greatgameindia.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Kyle-Rittenhouse-Was-Being-Hunted-By-Rioters-After-Clashes-With-Militias-Guarding-Gas-Stations.jpg.webp

See the above picture - you see how Kyle is on the floor being kicked in the head, after attempting to retreat? That, right there, is why he is the one that gets to claim self defence and the people that got shot (who attacked him in the first instance as part of all 3 shootings) won't.

[TheDemonLord]

Really, was it posted on one of her social media accounts or something?

Her own Twitter - verification from Snopes here: You'll have to scroll down as it deals with a number of other rumours that are false (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/greta-thunberg-soros-isis-antifa/)


Really? links?

Whilst I'm sure I've posted it before - it may or may not have been when we weren't chatting, so I'll indulge this.

https://youtu.be/kCghDx5qN4s?t=399

But I want to go further and just expand on this - The BLM Symbol - is the Socialist Fist.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

Comrades? "Supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively"? Privelege? Disrupting western-prescribed Nuclear Families? Dismantling the Patriarchy?

How many more Marxist derived talking points do you want? And this is all directly from the source - no middle-man here.


You profess to slightly leaning to the left but post 99% from the hard right.

Such as? And what do you define as the Hard Right? I can assure you, the values that I hold are the principles of British Liberalism, which is a centre-left political perspective.

The fact that what was once centre-left is now characterized as 'Hard Right' is a testament to just how far Left the Left have gone.


You deny Black people the right to protest due to your socialism communist hatred.

Protesting is fine.

Looting is not.
Arson is not.
Vandalism is not.
Rioting is not.
Expropriation is not.




I stand by my comment, you posts have a lot of fascist overtones. A leader or 2 are fans of Marxism, so they must all be predominantly Marxists seems to be the rule of thumb for you.

Okay then - Name those Fascist ideas then - because that is a very weighty accusation, so I'd suggest being very certain about what is and is not Fascist and what I advocate for.

And for the record, since I like you as a person - considering I frequently advocate for things like: Freedom of Speech, Personal Liberty, extending the protection of rights to those you disagree with - you are going to have an exceptionally hard time making those accusations stick - since those 3 alone are in direct opposition to any form of Fascist ideology.


His social media professes blue lives matter and Trump support. Which is fine until you start murdering people.
If it is the couple I think you are talking about, the protesters never even approached their home. Just a couple of rednecks wanting to get their guns out.

And whence did Blue Lives Matter come forth? Could it be due to the actions of 'revolutionary communists burning down Communities'?

The Angry Mob broke onto private property, ostensibly to go 'visit' someone who they didn't like (to have a civil conversation, I'm sure....), Some of them chanting about taking over property that they felt was 'owed to them' (sorta like the Workers seizing the means of Production....) and as for Couple of Rednecks - I think you mean lifelong Democrat voters and the most middle-aged of suburban couples


Conveniently forgetting that Trump called on Russia to hack US government servers, which they then obliged. And that was only on the surface that people could see, imagine what was going on out of sight - wakey wakey.

Sure, let's take that as holywrit - Still doesn't prove the claimed Conspiracy that Russian interference significantly interfered with the election in a way that is substantively different from before.


You mean the completely ineffective Marxists that do not stand a chance of even getting a toenail hold in the USA vs a President actively dismantling the constitution while pillaging and raping the system for his own advantage? My Goodness man, your Marxists fears are surely at mental illness levels.

Except for the entirety of the US Education system, in particular the majority of the University system (with the exception of the STEM and Law fields), Hollywood (kinda a big deal), Major corporations who have supported 'Woke' causes (Social Justice is entirely a Marxist concept - see Yuri Bezmenov, in 1984 describing how it works - nearly 40 years ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlbWqwKFFqY)), Twitter, Facebook, Google etc. have adopted policies that have a Left-wing view of certain issues. The gaming industry (although with Doom Eternal and the latest Call of Duty - they have started to realise that Get Woke, Go Broke is a thing). The Comic Book Industry.

Yeah - totally don't have a toenail hold in the USA (although, I'll expand on this below)


And lets watch that expand as Trump is laughably running on law and order. Would not surprise me one bit if Trump and his minions financed infiltrators to keep the fear factor going.

If I'd played the George Soros funds everything that is the root of all evil card, You'd have rightfully mocked me - so when you are insinuating the reverse, what do you think I'm likely to do?


And all this crystal ball work, but Trumps own sisters clear and concise recordings - including the latest out yesterday, which adds context for you as well. Just sad bro.

When you've got a 90% chance of something, it's not really a Crystal Ball at that point, more like a forgone conclusion.


Yes, why should the filthy rich bankers pay a living wage to employees living in the area their branches operate. :facepalm:

Listen to what the Banker said 'It's an entry level position, attainable straight out of HighSchool' - No Qualifications needed, no Work Experience needed, the Salary is based upon the skills needed (or in this case, not needed) for the job.

What is a Living wage? And let's be reaaaaaally specific about this - firstly because what is considered a Luxury and a necessity changes with time - Is the Internet a Necessity? I'll accept an argument that given how many business opportunities and communication is done online these days, that it is, but was it 10 years ago or 20? I remember when I got my first Dial-up connection in around the year 2000, I'd had a PC for nearly a decade by then - so definitely wasn't a necessity then.

Does a Living Wage include dependents? If so, how many? 1? 2? 3? What about a House? Should it be enough to pay a Mortgage? or just Rent? What about flatting etc? What about a Car? A Cell Phone?

What if someone has a 'Living Wage' but is still living beyond their means - does that oblige the Empoyer to pay them more to fund their Lifestyle, if not, then how is that any different to the example given?


No, your Marxist paranoia fogs your views on so many subjects.

When they are outright stating it, not really Paranoia, is it? When you've got Mobs of people repeating revolutionary Rhetoric and espousing lunatic ideas like completely defund the police - at what point do you consider it at least rational?


And here we go again, if you had spent any time in the USA, you would realize marxism, communism, socialism simply could not exist there. The majority of protesters would ask you WTF with all this crazy babbling you do while devaluing their right to protest their MANY genuine grievances.

So, I actually entirely agree with you - both because Communism, Marxism and Socialism cannot exist anywhere but more specifically because I'm well aware that most people don't want it.

Above I said I'd expand on your Toenail comment - The average person has no interest in it - we saw that with the UK Election (Boris vs Corbyn) and when polled - the ex-labour voters were clear - they didn't want Corbyn because of his Marxist leanings.

It's the same reason I predict that Trump is going to comfortably win a re-election - because you are quite right that they don't want any form of Marxism. And when the average centre-left voter sees their Democratic candidates caving to the Marxist demands of the angry Mob - they are going 'Wait, what?'

When it comes to the Majority of Protestors - They probably don't know that the BLM fist symbol is the Socialist Revolutionary symbol. They probably aren't aware of the theory that underpins the movement they are aligned with - the KGB had a term for these people 'Useful Idiots' - not a particularly nice term - however there are people who may have well-meant intentions who are easily swayed by a 'Trained Marxist': "You support Social Justice don't you? I mean who would support Social Injustice, right? Afterall, wouldn't everything be better if everyone got what they needed, according to their needs...." And that's how otherwise reasonable people descend into pulling down statues and burning down buildings.

Now to get onto your final point - After George Floyd - Immediately after - Every Libertarian, Conservative, Pro-2A, Pro-Law Enforcement channel that I watch all agreed that based on the initial video it was wrong and something needed to be done. How is that devaluing their Grievance?

The problem is that they aren't just protesting - as I've mentioned before - Protest is fine, even if it's protest I disagree with - it's still their right to do so and their right is my right. Rioting, Looting etc. is not Fine. At that moment - Most of the Goodwill that existed went up in smoke (pun fully intended).

But even then, some people were willing to look past the violence based on exceptional circumstances, to hear what was being said - and that is when the calls to 'Defund the Police' were heard, which, considering we know what happens to areas that don't have a police presence, is absolute lunacy.

Then we ask to look more into what their Grievances are - some of which aren't borne out by the data, some of which omit several key factors, some of which are outright lies and some of which are probably true or have an element of truth in them -

No one has ever said that there aren't Racist Cops in the US, I'm sure there are. There are probably some who are jaded and or cynical to the point of being indistinguishable from Racists. There are some Cops who simply want a legal way to assert power over others. The bit I contest is the 'institutional' part - which always seems to be comprised of some dubious statistics produced by people who have a vested interest (cough Marxist derived Grievance studies Cough) and follow Statistical modelling that would get laughed out of a Maths class.

Finally (and yes, this section has been a bit long, but it's important to cover off each aspect of it) We get to the real crux of the issue - What is the biggest threat to Young, Black Americans - it's certainly not the Police. In fact, the biggest threat is one which defunding and removing the Police from certain areas isn't going to alleviate that threat but is going to aggravate it - so what does that tell you about the real motivations of Black Lives Matter?


Edit: and in case you are wondering - this Post was written whilst I was producing a number of automated BI reports for Upper Management.

[Kickaha]

And he did - he called the Police and turned himself in.

He called one of his mates to tell them he had shot someone and that guy called the police

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSLpwYCByQ0

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A leader or 2 are fans of Marxism, so they must all be predominantly Marxists seems to be the rule of thumb for you.


In the interest of just a modicum of accuracy.

As I understand it, the BLM movement arose out of the protests following the killing of Trayvon Martin by George Zimmerman and then in Ferguson following the police shooting of Michael Brown. Sadly there has been a succession of police killings since to keep the protests going.

Three entrepreneurial women registered the name "Black Lives Matter" and became BLM Inc, so to speak. They claimed that the people who had been gassed and arrested at Ferguson etc were not part of the BLM movement. This caused some consternation among those who had done the hard yards..

The three women reportedly all profess to be gay and one claims to be a Marxist. None of which should suggest that all BLM protestors are gay Marxists. Although this may come as news to some RWNJs.

[sugilite]

Her own Twitter - verification from Snopes here: You'll have to scroll down as it deals with a number of other rumours that are false (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/greta-thunberg-soros-isis-antifa/)
ok, accepted



Whilst I'm sure I've posted it before - it may or may not have been when we weren't chatting, so I'll indulge this.

https://youtu.be/kCghDx5qN4s?t=399

But I want to go further and just expand on this - The BLM Symbol - is the Socialist Fist.

https://blacklivesmatter.com/what-we-believe/

Comrades? "Supporting each other as extended families and “villages” that collectively"? Privelege? Disrupting western-prescribed Nuclear Families? Dismantling the Patriarchy?

How many more Marxist derived talking points do you want? And this is all directly from the source - no middle-man here.
So a small handful of them have Marxist leanings (and I'm not sure that makes them bad people either, it's just another political system). Political systems are kinda like religions, most think they are the only right ones.




Such as? And what do you define as the Hard Right? I can assure you, the values that I hold are the principles of British Liberalism, which is a centre-left political perspective.

The fact that what was once centre-left is now characterized as 'Hard Right' is a testament to just how far Left the Left have gone.
Trump is the poster boy for hard right and you are willingly blind to the fact of his ways, as long as he attacks the left you are all good.
Noticed you did not reply about the sister thing, a little too much context out there now with the latest releases for even you to justify?





Protesting is fine.

Looting is not.
Arson is not.
Vandalism is not.
Rioting is not.
Expropriation is not.

I agree, but like I said right at the start of the Floyd protests, miscreants will always use chaos to their advantage. The do not give a fuck about left, right and such. They just thrive in chaos.
By far and away most of the protesters are protesting peacefully, but you want to assign the acts of a very small minority to the majority, but only when it suits to support your positions I have noticed.





Okay then - Name those Fascist ideas then - because that is a very weighty accusation, so I'd suggest being very certain about what is and is not Fascist and what I advocate for.

And for the record, since I like you as a person - considering I frequently advocate for things like: Freedom of Speech, Personal Liberty, extending the protection of rights to those you disagree with - you are going to have an exceptionally hard time making those accusations stick - since those 3 alone are in direct opposition to any form of Fascist ideology.
Just the act of denying black people the right to protest and writing of their valid grievances because 0.5% of "them" riot, burn and pillage. And as mentioned the majority of the miscreants don't give a fuck about what the others are protesting about. I view you as being quite soulless when it comes to branches of humanity that is facing struggle. If anything effects you directly, then wahooo it is off to the races about social standards being upheld. Anything outside of that, you are caviler, cold, callous and in my opinion have a reasonably fascist outlook. I'm entitled to my opinion, and there it is.




And whence did Blue Lives Matter come forth? Could it be due to the actions of 'revolutionary communists burning down Communities'?
No, just right wing nut jobs fanning the flames of fear. The blue team have some serious cleaning house to do, as they have needed to do for a very long time. They just need to get on with it and stop brushing it under the carpet.



The Angry Mob broke onto private property, ostensibly to go 'visit' someone who they didn't like (to have a civil conversation, I'm sure....), Some of them chanting about taking over property that they felt was 'owed to them' (sorta like the Workers seizing the means of Production....) and as for Couple of Rednecks - I think you mean lifelong Democrat voters and the most middle-aged of suburban couples
OK, I think I'm thinking of a different couple, the video I saw had that couple coming out there house with guns and engaging the march where people were not approaching their house at all. For your info, rednecks are not restricted to being right wing, there is more to life than left right politics.





Sure, let's take that as holywrit - Still doesn't prove the claimed Conspiracy that Russian interference significantly interfered with the election in a way that is substantively different from before.
Yes, by all means just write it all off as inconsequential as it is not supportive of your narrative.
I look forward to your I don't care attitude if the dems were to pull the same stunts and have the Biden team actively work with the russians.





Except for the entirety of the US Education system, in particular the majority of the University system (with the exception of the STEM and Law fields), Hollywood (kinda a big deal), Major corporations who have supported 'Woke' causes (Social Justice is entirely a Marxist concept - see Yuri Bezmenov, in 1984 describing how it works - nearly 40 years ago (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlbWqwKFFqY)), Twitter, Facebook, Google etc. have adopted policies that have a Left-wing view of certain issues. The gaming industry (although with Doom Eternal and the latest Call of Duty - they have started to realise that Get Woke, Go Broke is a thing). The Comic Book Industry.
Really, The "WHOLE" education system is marxist? What a knob.


Yeah - totally don't have a toenail hold in the USA (although, I'll expand on this below)



If I'd played the George Soros funds everything that is the root of all evil card, You'd have rightfully mocked me - so when you are insinuating the reverse, what do you think I'm likely to do?
I have heard the name is passing, but do not really know who George Soros is and no time to look, so fire away with impunity from ridicule from me.




When you've got a 90% chance of something, it's not really a Crystal Ball at that point, more like a forgone conclusion.
Did you just bump that percentage up from your earlier post?
This is an excellent example of your caviler soulless approach. Condemn and move on.




Listen to what the Banker said 'It's an entry level position, attainable straight out of HighSchool' - No Qualifications needed, no Work Experience needed, the Salary is based upon the skills needed (or in this case, not needed) for the job.

What is a Living wage? And let's be reaaaaaally specific about this - firstly because what is considered a Luxury and a necessity changes with time - Is the Internet a Necessity? I'll accept an argument that given how many business opportunities and communication is done online these days, that it is, but was it 10 years ago or 20? I remember when I got my first Dial-up connection in around the year 2000, I'd had a PC for nearly a decade by then - so definitely wasn't a necessity then.

Does a Living Wage include dependents? If so, how many? 1? 2? 3? What about a House? Should it be enough to pay a Mortgage? or just Rent? What about flatting etc? What about a Car? A Cell Phone?

What if someone has a 'Living Wage' but is still living beyond their means - does that oblige the Empoyer to pay them more to fund their Lifestyle, if not, then how is that any different to the example given?
The money for living on the bare basics ran out for her before child related bills were taken into account.
People should be able to pay rent, food, medicals, power, water, transport expenses and have at least a little left to save for retirement etc. The banks and other blood sucking corps do not pay anywhere enough for that.
In effect, what is the difference between slavery where slaves are provided food and accommodation and people not being paid a living wage and just having the allusion of freedom as they can got for a walk around the mall and so on.
isn't capitalism great!!!!
As your your lame how many kids, type of house, lifestyle option arguments. Yes, don't even try to resolve such complexities, just keep those suckers in poverty eh.
Yet more cold, callous, soulless rhetoric from you.




So, I actually entirely agree with you - both because Communism, Marxism and Socialism cannot exist anywhere but more specifically because I'm well aware that most people don't want it.

Above I said I'd expand on your Toenail comment - The average person has no interest in it - we saw that with the UK Election (Boris vs Corbyn) and when polled - the ex-labour voters were clear - they didn't want Corbyn because of his Marxist leanings.

It's the same reason I predict that Trump is going to comfortably win a re-election - because you are quite right that they don't want any form of Marxism. And when the average centre-left voter sees their Democratic candidates caving to the Marxist demands of the angry Mob - they are going 'Wait, what?'

Exactly, so why of why do you post like the USA is on the precipice of falling into socialism when it clearly is not.
Let them die at the voting balet. Easy.


When it comes to the Majority of Protestors - They probably don't know that the BLM fist symbol is the Socialist Revolutionary symbol. They probably aren't aware of the theory that underpins the movement they are aligned with - the KGB had a term for these people 'Useful Idiots' - not a particularly nice term - however there are people who may have well-meant intentions who are easily swayed by a 'Trained Marxist': "You support Social Justice don't you? I mean who would support Social Injustice, right? Afterall, wouldn't everything be better if everyone got what they needed, according to their needs...." And that's how otherwise reasonable people descend into pulling down statues and burning down buildings.
So when the people living in the soviet block when it was seemingly released from communism did the same, they should of stayed home?


Now to get onto your final point - After George Floyd - Immediately after - Every Libertarian, Conservative, Pro-2A, Pro-Law Enforcement channel that I watch all agreed that based on the initial video it was wrong and something needed to be done. How is that devaluing their Grievance?

The problem is that they aren't just protesting - as I've mentioned before - Protest is fine, even if it's protest I disagree with - it's still their right to do so and their right is my right. Rioting, Looting etc. is not Fine. At that moment - Most of the Goodwill that existed went up in smoke (pun fully intended).

But even then, some people were willing to look past the violence based on exceptional circumstances, to hear what was being said - and that is when the calls to 'Defund the Police' were heard, which, considering we know what happens to areas that don't have a police presence, is absolute lunacy.
The majority have valid reasons for protesting, and do so peacefully and legitimately. I think I' missed your solution to the systemic violence within a lot of policing in the USA.



Finally (and yes, this section has been a bit long, but it's important to cover off each aspect of it) We get to the real crux of the issue - What is the biggest threat to Young, Black Americans - it's certainly not the Police. In fact, the biggest threat is one which defunding and removing the Police from certain areas isn't going to alleviate that threat but is going to aggravate it - so what does that tell you about the real motivations of Black Lives Matter?
Again, I don't write off the BLM movement as most of them are not active marxists.
I think the whole de-fund the police thing is being badly twisted by the right for political gain. My understanding is it means that money allocated to social aspects the police have had foisted upon them by Governments left and right wanting to save money would be better allocated to other service providers independent of the police. In other words, let police get on with catching baddies, rather than being forced to be social workers and mental health workers like what the national party made them here in NZ when they emptied out the psychiatric wards. (and for the record, Labor has done shit all to resolve that issue among many other issues they said they would sort out)

[TheDemonLord]

So a small handful of them have Marxist leanings (and I'm not sure that makes them bad people either, it's just another political system). Political systems are kinda like religions, most think they are the only right ones.

Not just Marxist leanings - 'Trained Marxists', and their entire philosophy as stated on their website is full of Marxist rhetoric.

But to your point:

What's wrong with Fascism then, afterall 'It's just another Political System'?

(and just to be clear, I think something is very wrong with Fascism, the same thing that is very wrong with Marxism, which is interesting because all of the Fascists were former Marxists)


Trump is the poster boy for hard right and you are willingly blind to the fact of his ways, as long as he attacks the left you are all good.

That must make you Hard Right then, since earlier when I posted his Policy positions, you didn't find any of them egregious in the way that I find the Far-Left Policies Egregious?

Temperamentally, he's not Hard Right either - but this is beside the point - I asked for specific examples and for a definition of what you consider Hard Right - I see they are lacking.


I agree, but like I said right at the start of the Floyd protests, miscreants will always use chaos to their advantage. The do not give a fuck about left, right and such. They just thrive in chaos.
By far and away most of the protesters are protesting peacefully, but you want to assign the acts of a very small minority to the majority, but only when it suits to support your positions I have noticed.

The problem is that those that thrive in chaos, by pure coincidence, subscribe to the exact same political beliefs as the Movement itself.


Just the act of denying black people the right to protest and writing of their valid grievances because 0.5% of "them" riot, burn and pillage. And as mentioned the majority of the miscreants don't give a fuck about what the others are protesting about. I view you as being quite soulless when it comes to branches of humanity that is facing struggle. If anything effects you directly, then wahooo it is off to the races about social standards being upheld. Anything outside of that, you are caviler, cold, callous and in my opinion have a reasonably fascist outlook. I'm entitled to my opinion, and there it is.

How many businesses did I or my fellow Firearm owners burn down when our rights were stripped from us?
How many businesses did I or my fellow Firearm owners loot when our rights were stripped from us?
How many City areas did I or my fellow Firearm owners annex and declare an independant zone when our rights were stripped from us?
How many people did I or my fellow Firearm owners shoot when our rights were stripped from us?

So, I'm applying the same standard I hold myself to, to everyone else. That is the very antithesis of Fascism, both from a theoretical Point of View and from a Practical point of view.

And look - I could accept some small-scale acts here and there, but mass violence on the part of the Rioters whilst chanting Communist Rhetoric


No, just right wing nut jobs fanning the flames of fear. The blue team have some serious cleaning house to do, as they have needed to do for a very long time. They just need to get on with it and stop brushing it under the carpet.

It was created after BLM associates advocated for the Killing of Police and then someone did so.

As for the Police needing to clean house - I agree, to a point, that any functional society must always have adequate checks and balances on the Police. We must however also treat the Police fairly and look at the data - The Washington Post has a database on Fatal Police shootings, something like out of the 1,000 fatal police shootings - only 1 was an unarmed Black Man who wasn't running/resisting arrest.

Is that acceptable? No. 1 is still 1 too many, just like 1,000 people shot and killed by the Police is too many - but we have to factor the sheer number of Police interactions for a country of 350 Million and the fact that a significant proportion of them are armed.

But let's move from the extreme end to the claims of things like Profiling etc.


OK, I think I'm thinking of a different couple, the video I saw had that couple coming out there house with guns and engaging the march where people were not approaching their house at all. For your info, rednecks are not restricted to being right wing, there is more to life than left right politics.

No, that's definitely the video, in order to walk by their house they had to breach a fence and trespass onto private property.


Yes, by all means just write it all off as inconsequential as it is not supportive of your narrative.
I look forward to your I don't care attitude if the dems were to pull the same stunts and have the Biden team actively work with the russians.

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In my statement, I all but confirm the Democrats have been doing it since the 1940s and that I don't care.


Really, The "WHOLE" education system is marxist? What a knob.

From the Stats we have - it's something like there are single digit percentage of teachers that self-identify as Conservative, whereas it's something like almost 50% self-identify as 'very liberal'. All of my friends that are teachers are extremely left-wing

Now, you might argue that I've just proved it's not the whole education system - however when we look at things like Curriculum and that number skews even harder to the left, that comes down from the Administrative side, that's is where things get interesting. Let's start with something simple: The omission of just how bad the Soviet Union was, all the way to:

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=US+social+justice+teaching+curricula


I have heard the name is passing, but do not really know who George Soros is and no time to look, so fire away with impunity from ridicule from me.

If ever there's a lefty group doing something - it's invariably linked in someway to George Soros - he's like the Right-wing version of the Boogeyman, some of it is earned, some of it is conjecture, some of it is BS. We'll move on from that if you are happy to.


This is an excellent example of your caviler soulless approach. Condemn and move on.

At what point then does someone not have to take responsibility for their actions? If it's soulless to say "Your actions directly contributed to the situation you now find yourself in", then fine - I'm soulless - This is not to say they aren't deserving of Assistance - I'm fine with helping people who want to help themselves.

And Helping doesn't just mean 'Throwing money at the problem'. There's a bazillion ways to upskill yourself - Libraries, the Internet - Hell, I'm currently renovating part of my House - I have had no formal training or education - just watched a boat load of Youtube Tutorials and hoping for the best and so far the Progress has been slow (with a few bumps along the way) but steady.

I have no time for people wallowing in self-pity blaming everything else but themselves for the choices they made.

And I include myself in that group, I've made some pretty stupid decisions in life, with the most recent one costing me approximately $30K - Do I blame others for that? Do I blame the system? Do I decry the inequities of the Universe? Nope - it was my stupid decision and my stupid fault.

If you want to discuss that some decisions have disproportionate affects - like a 5 second lapse of concentration whilst riding results in a lifetime confined to a wheelchair - yeah, that Sucks, the Universe is capricious that way - but we all take the risks and hope


The money for living on the bare basics ran out for her before child related bills were taken into account.

I re-watched it to double check and no, it didn't - in the example given they drive a Minivan - which is more expensive to run than a similar value sub-compact and something that someone without children is unlikely to drive (I didn't get a Minivan until the Wife got Pregnant.... Miss my 2-door Coupe)

The money ran out when they included food, which according to the same source that the Lady was citing is an extra $138 a Month. According the video, absent any other data - those 2 metrics along would have put her in the green by about $150 a Month - Thus for a single person, fresh out of Highschool

By the Metrics you outline below

It IS a Living wage.

But let's take it one step further and say she gets a Flatmate for a 2 bedroom apartment (because now she's not worried about having a stranger around her Kid) - her Rent per month drops from approximately $1,600 a month to about $1,100 a month for each flatmate (that's from Rent Cafe where I believe the speaker sourced their value for an average cost of $1,600 a month)

Which would give our person a net monthly savings of $650 a Month. Which, for the record is more than my net monthly savings.

So why are the Banks still assholes for paying such a generous salary?


People should be able to pay rent, food, medicals, power, water, transport expenses and have at least a little left to save for retirement etc. The banks and other blood sucking corps do not pay anywhere enough for that.

So, if a proportion of people left those areas they couldn't afford to live in left, for cheaper areas, what would happen?

Well, since there is no longer an excess of Labour, the Bank would find it difficult to hire people and so in order to entice workers they would have to pay them more.

Supply and Demand 101.


In effect, what is the difference between slavery where slaves are provided food and accommodation and people not being paid a living wage and just having the allusion of freedom as they can got for a walk around the mall and so on.
isn't capitalism great!!!!

Abso-fucking-lutley it's great.

Because ultimately I have Freedom.

Freedom to succeed
Freedom to fail
Freedom to choose whether or not to ride a Motorbike AND which motorbike I want to ride
Freedom to choose where and how I live
Freedom to choose what career and Job I take
Freedom to say spicy things about Aunty Cindy and her clan of Merry Fuckwits and not worry about being shipped off to the Gulag (for now at least...)

But Freedom to make my own choices and enjoy the fruits or the failures therein.


As your your lame how many kids, type of house, lifestyle option arguments. Yes, don't even try to resolve such complexities, just keep those suckers in poverty eh.
Yet more cold, callous, soulless rhetoric from you.

Not at all, just plain old Maths - The Bank does pay a living wage based on all the criteria you outlined and based on the information given in the presentation if we remove the cost of having a Child, if we then further factor in the savings achieved by Flatting (and sharing the cost of living) then it falls even more.


Exactly, so why of why do you post like the USA is on the precipice of falling into socialism when it clearly is not.
Let them die at the voting balet. Easy.

When they took over an entire city block and it was given tacit blessing by the State's Governor.

And I agree - let them Die at the Ballot Box, which is exactly what my Prediction is - same as in the UK - The question will be what happens after, will they have a period of self-reflection and cast out the radical elements, policies and candidates and return to a more traditional centre-left platform? Or will they double-down and Just carry on as they did before, but louder?

I've said it before (although you may have missed it) If you put Thulsi Gabbard up against Trump, toned down her Environmental policies a bit and kicked the likes of AOC, Illahn Omar, the Spineless State Governors who kowtow to angry mobs etc. out of the DNC - There's a chance someone like me might decide to vote for her over Trump.

I want to let that sink in:

Me: Mr God Emperor of Mankind Donald J Trump, would seriously consider not voting for him.

However, I forsee the DNC sabotaging her career as she is the wrong kind of Democrat and we can't have dissension in the ranks...


So when the people living in the soviet block when it was seemingly released from communism did the same, they should of stayed home?

It turns out that actually experiencing Communism inoculates you against Communism...


The majority have valid reasons for protesting, and do so peacefully and legitimately. I think I' missed your solution to the systemic violence within a lot of policing in the USA.

I disagree with the Systemic part, but as I said - I'll hear about ways to improve training, I'll hear about more research into non-lethal options, I'll hear about Fitness standards and psych evaluations at regular intervals, I'll hear about ways to penetrate the Blue Wall when something IS wrong.

But that isn't what is being asked for.


Again, I don't write off the BLM movement as most of them are not active marxists.
I think the whole de-fund the police thing is being badly twisted by the right for political gain. My understanding is it means that money allocated to social aspects the police have had foisted upon them by Governments left and right wanting to save money would be better allocated to other service providers independent of the police.

That's fair, but I do. Because I've seen this cycle in other areas before, both historically and first-hand. The fact the Leadership are Marxists and the Organisation espouse multiple Marxist talking points, I don't trust it for one millisecond.

As for the De-Fund thing - If that is what is being touted - then why call it De-funding the Police? Why not put a positive spin on it and talk about investing in Mental Health?

Because revolutionaries always seek to destroy what already exists rather than create their own

Jordan Peterson has done many multi-hour lectures on this - so I'll try to condense it down: By the Language they use, By the actions they take, By the Ideas they advance - it all stems from a jealous desire to destroy something, as opposed from an Altruistic desire to build something up - I've seen where that jealous end-up, time and time again.


In other words, let police get on with catching baddies, rather than being forced to be social workers and mental health workers like what the national party made them here in NZ when they emptied out the psychiatric wards. (and for the record, Labor has done shit all to resolve that issue among many other issues they said they would sort out)

Let's talk about this for a second - The state of Mental Health in this country (and the UK and the US) is a shambles. And I completely agree - every side of the debate has done a piss-poor job of addressing it.

If the discussion was 'How do we build or rebuild our Mental Health services so that we are able to meet the needs of the Community' - then I'd be onboard with that discussion.

[TheDemonLord]

To add to the discussion about Kyle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvyrJ6lkCXQ&t=3795s


I've referenced Viva Frei as a Legal source on YT as generally presenting a fact-based legal opinion on popular legal issues - that is the Discussion he has about the Kyle shooting.

[sugilite]

A lot of quotes!!!
Hello, you have reached me at a time where I have no time left to argue.
I could definitely carry on arguing if I just had time - which I don't as for me posting on KB is not paid meditation sessions :bleh:

[sugilite]

"We just have no idea who is behind these attacks" says GCSB Minister Andrew Little. We have our top guy Mr D Lord on it, but so far we have no confirmed suspects other than every Marxist and Socialist on the planet. "Mr Lord is constantly typing away at the keyboard all day, so we are confidant his hard work will soon yield some meaningful results" Mr Little went on to say :laugh:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/122611384/govt-spy-agency-has-no-clues-on-source-of-cyberattacks-on-nzx

[TheDemonLord]

"We just have no idea who is behind these attacks" says GCSB Minister Andrew Little. We have our top guy Mr D Lord on it, but so far we have no confirmed suspects other than every Marxist and Socialist on the planet. "Mr Lord is constantly typing away at the keyboard all day, so we are confidant his hard work will soon yield some meaningful results" Mr Little went on to say :laugh:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/122611384/govt-spy-agency-has-no-clues-on-source-of-cyberattacks-on-nzx

Funny story actually - I've met Andrew Little and had a long-form chat with him and my company also experienced a large surge of Spam and DDOS attacks last week - including one exceptionally sneaky one that fooled me for a while.

So, whilst that post did elicit a hearty chuckle - it's not entirely as far-fetched as you'd have thought.

although one point of contention - The main motivator for these bouts of attacks appears to be Financial - which tends to rule out the Marxists and Socialists :P

[TheDemonLord]

which I don't as for me posting on KB is not paid meditation sessions :bleh:

Geez - My Productivity is going to go to shit now, the Boss won't be impressed....

[pritch]

Tough ad, tough language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OhxXy03frE

[Katman]

Tough ad, tough language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OhxXy03frE

As it rightly says in the comments, George Carlin would be rolling in his grave thinking he's being used by one political party against another.

He hated them both.

[sugilite]

There could be life for Trump as a pop star in gen pop. :laugh:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSuregWhlWk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i05gKtHWjGY

[TheDemonLord]

I guess now I have an excuse to Spam Metal Trump....
https://www.youtube.com/c/LarsVonRetriever/videos


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qT4qX9UPJ3c


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUNi07uZAYk

[sugilite]

Fuck me, this prick is getting senile. Portland been burning for years huh? The plane full of dudes wearing black gear, a debunked myth. Would not like thius guy running a garage sale yet alone a country.
Quick DemonLord come and defend your man!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v62Yv5ezu0s

[Bonez]

Geez - My Productivity is going to go to shit now, the Boss won't be impressed....
Great work TDL. Awesome stability. This stinking, rotting corpse of a thread should have been buried right after the snowflakes melted when Trump was elected. But the three stooges keep pumping it up.

Again well done young man.:yes:

[pritch]

There was an amusing little exchange on Twitter this morning. The Portland Press Herald received an angry message inquiring why they weren't doing anything about the riots.

The reply was to the effect,
"Because the Portland Press Herald is a newspaper in Portland, Maine."

[husaberg]

There was an amusing little exchange on Twitter this morning. The Portland Press Herald received an angry message inquiring why they weren't doing anything about the riots.

The reply was to the effect,
"Because the Portland Press Herald is a newspaper in Portland, Maine."

Very similar to when he congratulated "the great state of Kansas" for Kansas City Chiefs' Super Bowl win.
A bit of an oversight considering the Super Bowl champions are based in Kansas City, Missouri

Then again he quoted the wrong city in a mass murder in Ohio.
Got the state wrong in a hurricane.
https://media3.giphy.com/media/j3766xIPcI45luQNQs/giphy-downsized-medium.gif

[TheDemonLord]

Fuck me, this prick is getting senile. Portland been burning for years huh? The plane full of dudes wearing black gear, a debunked myth. Would not like thius guy running a garage sale yet alone a country.
Quick DemonLord come and defend your man!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v62Yv5ezu0s

If you translate from Trumpish to English:

Antifa have big money backers (ironic for a Communist organisation) and regularly bring in people from other places (predominantly Democrat controlled areas) in the country to do nefarious acts.

Given the amount of times that scenario (maybe not the plane full of Antifa members, but the more general scenario) has occurred, nothing particularly controversial here.

Perceived income disparity between wealthier areas and poorer areas leads to an increase in Crime. See - South Africa, London etc. Again, not exactly anything new despite what a single study may say (and you'll forgive me for thinking it's been both Cherry Picked and doesn't address the specific scenario Trump was referring to)

People in high-pressure situations make mistakes - Again, nothing really here that's controversial. Is it a comparison I would choose to use? Well, I can't stand Golf, so no.

[pritch]

This is odd even for Trump. There is no truth to this story whatsoever.

On Fox he said he couldn't comment because it was 'under investigation' which is bollocks. The story originated from a RWNJ some time back but it did cause some consternation in the town named as the destination. The local Sheriff looked into it and issued a statement to the effect there was no truth to the story.

So now, months later, Trump trots it out as current fact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWk5Ujl7LM8

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-s-plane-loaded-thugs-rumor-matches-months-old-facebook-n1238962

[pritch]

Here's one for the simple minded few who still believe Russian interference in the US elections consisted of a few Facebook ads.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-facebook-russia/duped-by-russia-freelancers-ensnared-in-disinformation-campaign-by-promise-of-easy-money-idUSKBN25T35E

[Laava]

This is odd even for Trump. There is no truth to this story whatsoever.

On Fox he said he couldn't comment because it was 'under investigation' which is bollocks. The story originated from a RWNJ some time back but it did cause some consternation in the town named as the destination. The local Sheriff looked into it and issued a statement to the effect there was no truth to the story.

So now, months later, Trump trots it out as current fact.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWk5Ujl7LM8

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/trump-s-plane-loaded-thugs-rumor-matches-months-old-facebook-n1238962
What is interesting about the whole current situation is that trump still has a very real chance of a second term.
And I don't really give a fuck personally but they would struggle to find someone worse! I am interested to see if there is a shitshow if he does get ousted and refuses to leave the white house. Now that will be entertainment plus!

[TheDemonLord]

What is interesting about the whole current situation is that trump still has a very real chance of a second term.

You say that like he wasn't going to....

[pritch]

Sometimes you've just gotta laugh. Or puke?


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/sep/01/donald-trump-sarah-sanders-take-one-for-the-team-kim-jong-un-wink-book?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1599023985

[pritch]

Trump keeps saying the election is rigged. He knows it; he's trying everything. During his trip to the Carolinas he repeatedly told his audiences to vote twice. Vote by mail, then go and vote in person.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-vote-twice-wilmington/2020/09/02/d5633260-ed73-11ea-ab4e-581edb849379_story.html?hpid=hp_no-name_trumpvote-845p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

[Laava]

If the system they have is working as it should, they will get turned away at the ballot box or online depending on which vote type they use first. In the event they manage to cast two votes, if one of them differs from the other, then both will be invalid, otherwise it will still only count as one vote. In theory.

[pritch]

it will still only count as one vote. In theory.

And in many states qualify for a felony conviction.

[sugilite]

If you translate from Trumpish to English:

Antifa have big money backers (ironic for a Communist organisation) and regularly bring in people from other places (predominantly Democrat controlled areas) in the country to do nefarious acts.

Given the amount of times that scenario (maybe not the plane full of Antifa members, but the more general scenario) has occurred, nothing particularly controversial here.


So why does he feel the need to lie and bullshit for photo ops? In this case with a guy that had not owned the shop for 8 years, and the actualk owner declining to support Trump?


https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12361710

[pritch]

So why does he feel the need to lie and bullshit for photo ops? In this case with a guy that had not owned the shop for 8 years, and the actualk owner declining to support Trump?


TV1 showed that item stating the guy was the owner. That annoyed me. Again.

When TV1 show these 'imported' clips there is often detail or nuance missing. Having often viewed the item several times that day it's obvious to me what they are getting wrong; they really should be doing better. Much better.

[TheDemonLord]

So why does he feel the need to lie and bullshit for photo ops?

He's a Politician?

They all do this?

All the time?

[Bonez]

TV1 showed that item stating the guy was the owner. That annoyed me. Again.

When TV1 show these 'imported' clips there is often detail or nuance missing. Having often viewed the item several times that day it's obvious to me what they are getting wrong; they really should be doing better. Much better.
It's called Mainstream Media for a reason. They know they can piss on people.:baby:

[jasonu]

TV1 showed that item stating the guy was the owner. That annoyed me. Again.

When TV1 show these 'imported' clips there is often detail or nuance missing. Having often viewed the item several times that day it's obvious to me what they are getting wrong; they really should be doing better. Much better.

You should call them and set them straight since you are such a fucking expert.

[Bonez]

You should call them and set them straight since you are such a fucking expert.I concur sir.

[pzkpfw]

If the system they have is working as it should, they will get turned away at the ballot box or online depending on which vote type they use first. In the event they manage to cast two votes, if one of them differs from the other, then both will be invalid, otherwise it will still only count as one vote. In theory.

I suspect he might be trying to overwhelm the mail-in system and the double-count system.

He's on record saying mail in voting is bad for the GOP. He's been making baseless accusations against it, had a toadie in the USPS try to mess witht he postal system in general, now he's following up with this.

[pritch]

He's on record saying mail in voting is bad for the GOP. He's been making baseless accusations against it, had a toadie in the USPS try to mess witht he postal system in general, now he's following up with this.

He says mail in voting is bad, although he and most of his cronies do it themselves. He distinguishes between absentee voting, which in his opinion is OK, and postal voting. There is basically no difference.

He appointed a big donor, Louis DeJoy, Postmaster General, and DeJoy has set about wrecking the place. It was a seriously large donation, because Trump also made the DeJoy's wife Ambassador to Canada.

It's worse than that though, the postal service is overseen by a board of governors and the chairman is a mate of Moscow Mitch O'Connell. Trump has the postal bases covered.

Trump will destroy the election if he can.

[TheDemonLord]

He says mail in voting is bad, although he and most of his cronies do it themselves. He distinguishes between absentee voting, which in his opinion is OK, and postal voting. There is basically no difference.

Except for one teensy tiny detail

Absentee and Postal votes have to be requested before the Election and the request goes through a verification process.

Mail-in voting is where an official ballot is sent to a registered voter (who may have moved, may be dead etc.) with no additional verification taking place.

[pritch]

Except for one teensy tiny detail

Absentee and Postal votes have to be requested before the Election and the request goes through a verification process.

Mail-in voting is where an official ballot is sent to a registered voter (who may have moved, may be dead etc.) with no additional verification taking place.

Stop trying to mislead people.

Some states the send the ballots out to registered voters but others send out application forms - exactly the same as for absentee voting.

Sending the ballots out to registered voters is how it works in this country for local body elections and I can't recall any problems.

[pritch]

This isn't on YouTube yet so I'll have to use this link. You'll have to scroll down to find the Lincoln Project video clip.

It's long been apparent that nobody had to create stuff about Trump. His own words do the job just fine.

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/09/what-really-happened-at-walter-reed-lincoln-project-unleashes-devastating-new-anti-trump-ad-using-only-his-own-words/

[Bonez]

Stop trying to mislead people.

Some states the send the ballots out to registered voters but others send out application forms - exactly the same as for absentee voting.

Sending the ballots out to registered voters is how it works in this country for local body elections and I can't recall any problems.But this is not a local body election pritch. And we have a tinsy winsy population compared to the US of A.

[pzkpfw]

Actual investigations into vote fraud in the states show it just doesn't happen all that much.

And it's certainly not a D-only issue.

Just because Trump has started yapping on about it, doesn't mean it's a genuine problem. He's doing this for partisan reasons, it's another kind of gerrymandering.

[jasonu]

Sounds like something Prick might have come up with.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12362336

[sugilite]

Sounds like something Prick might have come up with.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12362336

Except he is on record as saying pretty much exactly that against McCain, despite Trump himself being a serial draft dodger. So why wouldn't he say it about others? Did he say it or not? He lies so often, way more even than other pollies from both sides of the divide. His base simply accepts he is a bare faced liar, what a joke.

[pritch]

Except he is on record as saying pretty much exactly that against McCain, despite Trump himself being a serial draft dodger. So why wouldn't he say it about others? Did he say it or not? He lies so often, way more even than other pollies from both sides of the divide. His base simply accepts he is a bare faced liar, what a joke.

Some have questioned the Atlantic article, others though are now corroborating the details.

It's complicated, but Trump has already threatened to cut off two of his kids if they joined the military. Junior and Tiffany, for those with inquiring minds.

For the others who have doubts - learn to use a search engine.

[Katman]

…..learn to use a search engine.

Just don't automatically take the link at the top of the first page to be the definitive answer.

Only a lazy cunt would do that.

[husaberg]

Some have questioned the Atlantic article, others though are now corroborating the details.

It's complicated, but Trump has already threatened to cut off two of his kids if they joined the military. Junior and Tiffany, for those with inquiring minds.

For the others who have doubts - learn to use a search engine.

I find it hard to imagine that even trump would be that stupid to say a highly decorated former 20 plus year naval officer and pow(Mccain) was a loser in front of a senior marine officer.
Especially referring to the American war dead at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in France in 2018 as “losers” and “suckers.”
It seems so well beyond the stupid remarks he normally makes. I just can't comprehend that he could possibly be that stupid.
That said I have I underestimated the stupidity of American before.

[Katman]

That said I have I underestimated the stupidity of American before.

Unsurprisingly, no-one here underestimates yours.

[husaberg]

Unsurprisingly, no-one here underestimates yours.

thanks for taking the time out from cruising the Taupo public toilets to share your insights stevo.

[Bonez]

I find it hard to imagine that even trump would be that stupid to say a highly decorated former 20 plus year naval officer and pow(Mccain) was a loser in front of a senior marine officer.
Especially referring to the American war dead at the Aisne-Marne American Cemetery in France in 2018 as “losers” and “suckers.”
It seems so well beyond the stupid remarks he normally makes. I just can't comprehend that he could possibly be that stupid.
That said I have I underestimated the stupidity of American before.A bit like you really...:killingme

To quote you "Oh I must really irk you to be repeatedly proven to be a total utter moron in public.":2thumbsup

[pritch]

I find it hard to imagine that even trump would be that stupid to say a highly decorated former 20 plus year naval officer and pow(Mccain) was a loser in front of a senior marine officer.


It is hard to comprehend but it fits the pattern.

Trump wanted to tell the world that McCain got special treatment because he was an admiral's son. Mattis told Trump that was not true and he shouldn't say it. Because he was an admiral's son, McCain was the highest value prisoner the North Vietnamese had.

Trump cannot conceive of doing anything but there's not a quid pro quo. Which may ring a bell?

Read what he said to General Kelly at the cemetary where Kelly's son who was killed in action was buried. That has been verified by other sources.

Here's Trump on McCain during the 2016 election race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNugcPeCZZE

[husaberg]

It is hard to comprehend but it fits the pattern.

Trump wanted to tell the world that McCain got special treatment because he was an admiral's son. Mattis told Trump that was not true and he shouldn't say it. Because he was an admiral's son, McCain was the highest value prisoner the North Vietnamese had

Trump cannot conceive of doing anything but there's not a quid pro quo. Which may ring a bell?

Read what he said to General Kelly at the cemetary where Kelly's son who was killed in action was buried. That has been verified by other sources.

Here's Trump on McCain during the 2016 election race.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNugcPeCZZE

That had seen that one, I can believe he was that thick on that occasion.
It was the other two I had trouble with.

[TheDemonLord]

Stop trying to mislead people.

Some states the send the ballots out to registered voters but others send out application forms - exactly the same as for absentee voting.

Sending the ballots out to registered voters is how it works in this country for local body elections and I can't recall any problems.

There's no misleading.

As you correctly pointed out, different States have different rules as to how they handle elections - some having a very robust mail-in and absentee voting system, whereas others don't.

I can link you to a Legal opinion on the matter if you'd like which outlines the specific legal differences and concerns about Absentee voting vs Mail-in Voting.

[TheDemonLord]

Actual investigations into vote fraud in the states show it just doesn't happen all that much.

And it's certainly not a D-only issue.

Just because Trump has started yapping on about it, doesn't mean it's a genuine problem. He's doing this for partisan reasons, it's another kind of gerrymandering.

Sure, in a normal election cycle where most of the voting is done in person, it doesn't happen all that much.

However, in an abnormal election cycle where most of the majority Democratic voting areas now want to run Mail in Voting with large variations in how robust the verification process is, there is a legitimate concern.

Now - I should add for the sake of fairness, that there's an element of trumping up the issue.

[pritch]

there is a legitimate concern.

Now - I should add for the sake of fairness, that there's an element of trumping up the issue.

Almost but not quite. There's virtually zero concern.

[Bonez]

Some have questioned the Atlantic article, others though are now corroborating the details.

It's complicated, but Trump has already threatened to cut off two of his kids if they joined the military. Junior and Tiffany, for those with inquiring minds.

For the others who have doubts - learn to use a search engine.Back at you Big Boy.

[jasonu]

Except he is on record

I don't (or care) if he said it or not but CNN (or any other of the horribly left media) publishing it doesn't automatically make it fact.

and before you say it I don't believe (hardly even look) what Fox publishes either. They are just as bad if not worse than CNN.

[Bonez]

I wonder if it was a hit single or part of the "America First" album?:laugh:

[Bonez]

The Portland Mayor/Police Commissioner has ran ran ranaway from ANTIFA "peaceful" protestors. :laugh:

Oh and Trump told him to fuck off when he requested Federal assistance and sort it out using the resources he already has:niceone:

What is the State Governor doing to sort this mess out?:mellow:

[pritch]

The Pentagon has ordered the armed forces newspaper "Stars and Stripes" to wind up within a month. The paper has been around since the Civil War; the announcement was widely considered to be Trump retaliating against the stories that he has only minimal respect among serving military personnel.

Trump now says he will not permit the paper to close.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/stars-and-stripes-closure-ordered-by-pentagon-as-lawmakers-push-to-save-legendary-military-newspaper/2020/09/04/27e63c82-eec6-11ea-ab4e-581edb849379_story.html

[Bonez]

The Pentagon has ordered the armed forces newspaper "Stars and Stripes" to wind up within a month. The paper has been around since the Civil War; the announcement was widely considered to be Trump retaliating against the stories that he has only minimal respect among serving military personnel.

Trump now says he will not permit the paper to close.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/stars-and-stripes-closure-ordered-by-pentagon-as-lawmakers-push-to-save-legendary-military-newspaper/2020/09/04/27e63c82-eec6-11ea-ab4e-581edb849379_story.htmlSo you post a contradiction pritch. That seems about right for you..

I must say congratulations though for providing a blurb with a link even if most of it is imaginary.

[sugilite]

Speaking of contradictions, the "christians" supporting Trump are hilarious. :laugh:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAgTZSJ4jo8

[husaberg]

Trump on sacrifices of the families you children have died serving in the US military overseas


Khizr Kahn
Donald Trump, you're asking Americans to trust you with their future. Let me ask you, have you even read the United States Constitution? I will gladly lend you my copy. In this document, look for the words "liberty" and "equal protection of law." Have you ever been to Arlington Cemetery? Go look at the graves of brave patriots who died defending the United States of America. You will see all faiths, genders, and ethnicities. You have sacrificed nothing—and no one.


Trumps Reply
"I think I've made a lot of sacrifices ... I've created thousands and thousands of jobs, tens of thousands of jobs, built great structures. I've had tremendous success. I think I've done a lot." He went on to describe financial help he has provided for veterans' causes

[Kickaha]

Oh and Trump told him to fuck off when he requested Federal assistance and sort it out using the resources he already has:niceone:


Since when ? Trump offered assistance and the Mayor refused it as of the 28/08/20

https://www.rt.com/usa/499376-portland-mayor-riots-barr/

[pritch]

Since when ? Trump offered assistance and the Mayor refused it as of the 28/08/20

https://www.rt.com/usa/499376-portland-mayor-riots-barr/

If I'm reading Russia Today correctly, that item refers specifically to Trump's offer of more cops in camo. Portland had already experienced that and didn't want a repeat.

[Kickaha]

Trump now says he will not permit the paper to close.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/media/stars-and-stripes-closure-ordered-by-pentagon-as-lawmakers-push-to-save-legendary-military-newspaper/2020/09/04/27e63c82-eec6-11ea-ab4e-581edb849379_story.html

The comments section is interesting


Hansen47 59 minutes ago
(Edited)
Asking Cui bono, or who benefits, has been a standard method for understanding criminal behavior for at least 2500 years. Today we ask:

Who benefits from withdrawing funding from Voice of America and Stars and Stripes? Who benefits from ignoring Russian aggression against American soldiers in Syria and Russian bounties to kill Americans in Afghanistan? Who benefits from withdrawing US troops from Germany, from threatening NATO, and from withholding military aid to Ukraine? Who benefits from diverting funds from military projects to build an unnecessary border fence? Who benefits from promoting wacky conspiracy theories intended to undermine confidence in elections? Who benefits from withdrawing US troops from Syria abruptly and from betraying our Kurdish allies? Who benefits when Trump denigrates FBI personnel, falsely accuses US intel experts of treason, or calls the media the enemy of the American people? Who benefits from withdrawing from trade agreements, imposing tariffs, and insulting our neighbors? Who benefits from cancelling the Iran nuclear deal and assassinating an Iranian general? Who benefits from the chaos of a government shutdown? Who benefits from changing the Republican platform concerning Ukraine and from removing sanctions against Russian oligarchs? Who benefits from firing US intelligence experts who specialize in Russian espionage and Russian organized crime?

Vladimir Putin benefits.

Everything Trump does and says provides further evidence that he is implementing Putin’s agenda, the goal of which is to reduce US influence in the world. We saw it when he met unannounced with Lavrov and Kislyak in the oval office the day after he fired Comey and he demonstrated for the world that he is Putin’s puppet in Helsinki and by his secret meetings with Putin, after which he always has a new Russian talking point. He conspires with Russians in plain sight—and then lies about it. Constantly.

[pritch]

The comments section is interesting


Hansen47 59 minutes ago
(Edited)
Asking Cui bono, or who benefits, has been a standard method for understanding criminal behavior for at least 2500 years. Today we ask:

Who benefits from withdrawing funding from Voice of America and Stars and Stripes? Who benefits from ignoring Russian aggression against American soldiers in Syria and Russian bounties to kill Americans in Afghanistan? Who benefits from withdrawing US troops from Germany, from threatening NATO, and from withholding military aid to Ukraine? Who benefits from diverting funds from military projects to build an unnecessary border fence? Who benefits from promoting wacky conspiracy theories intended to undermine confidence in elections? Who benefits from withdrawing US troops from Syria abruptly and from betraying our Kurdish allies? Who benefits when Trump denigrates FBI personnel, falsely accuses US intel experts of treason, or calls the media the enemy of the American people? Who benefits from withdrawing from trade agreements, imposing tariffs, and insulting our neighbors? Who benefits from cancelling the Iran nuclear deal and assassinating an Iranian general? Who benefits from the chaos of a government shutdown? Who benefits from changing the Republican platform concerning Ukraine and from removing sanctions against Russian oligarchs? Who benefits from firing US intelligence experts who specialize in Russian espionage and Russian organized crime?

Vladimir Putin benefits.

Everything Trump does and says provides further evidence that he is implementing Putin’s agenda, the goal of which is to reduce US influence in the world. We saw it when he met unannounced with Lavrov and Kislyak in the oval office the day after he fired Comey and he demonstrated for the world that he is Putin’s puppet in Helsinki and by his secret meetings with Putin, after which he always has a new Russian talking point. He conspires with Russians in plain sight—and then lies about it. Constantly.

Can't give bling but that's an excellent find.

[pritch]

Early this morning I saw a photo of a parade of boats a guy had organised to show support for Trump. And there were a lot of boats. I thought this could be interesting and moved on.

Big numbers of pissed up rednecks on the water? What could possibly go wrong? Quite a lot it seems.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300100646/several-boats-sink-during-parade-for-donald-trump-in-texas

[pritch]

Trump has said the US has no proof Navalny was poisoned by Russia.
Focus on China, he said.

In case you thought this election had already maxed out on weird, Osama Bin Ladens's niece has announced support for Trump in the election.

[husaberg]

Trump has said the US has no proof Navalny was poisoned by Russia.
Focus on China, he said.

In case you thought this election had already maxed out on weird, Osama Bin Ladens's niece has announced support for Trump in the election.

He's at odds with his mate Boris.
"Prime Minister Boris Johnson condemned the latest attack as "outrageous". "The Russian government must now explain what happened to Mr Navalny."

Also with Nato and the US security council.
Nato Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg also called for an inquiry in a tweet, while the US National Security Council (NSC) said the suspected poisoning was "completely reprehensible".
"We will work with allies and the international community to hold those in Russia accountable

or the former Cheif of CIA for Russia
"There's no doubt whatsoever" that an operation to poison Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny was approved at the highest levels of Russia's government and intelligence services, according to Steven Hall, the former CIA chief of Russia operations.

[pritch]

Who knew that so many boats would chop up the surface of the lake? I'm sure it's not that simple, there must be another explanation. An ANTIFA submarine perhaps? :whistle:

[husaberg]

Who knew that so many boats would chop up the surface of the lake? I'm sure it's not that simple, there must be another explanation. An ANTIFA submarine perhaps? :whistle:

Yokel/Austigator used to blame Anfinta too...............


What the hell are you on about? Anybody that takes the above from just looking at their website or facebook is probably ANTIFA affiliated to be that deranged and fucked up in the head to conclude what you have!
Are you a complete retard?
LOL kiwibiker forums home of deranged lefty assholes.... Iv hit the jackpot of scumbags to troll here boys.
You have got to be a greens voter to be this fucked in the head!
The post above is further proof that its the left that are the most hateful, racist, delusional and retarded people getting around at the current time. This is the democrats thinking to a tee. They simply cant believe that people of ethnic heritage other than white can vote slightly to the right of centre and if your not on their "plantation" they start throwing all the usual terms above at anyone that disagrees with them.
The 2020 election is going to be awesome! I can already taste the salty tears from these dimwits.

[ellipsis]

...I remember a satirical publication I picked up in the UK in the mid eighties... the frontispiece was a satirical etching of Maggie and the B-Movie actor, dancing a lively number and her whispering in his ear..."I would follow you to the ends of the earth'...his words in her ear, 'I can arrange that'...or close to that...

...another generation of misfits running the good ole' USA...who's fucking who and who's not paying is something we will never know...but the common man will inevitably suffer...worldwide, who knows?...nothing much changes...ever...or ever will...bit like termites really...

[Bonez]

Yokel/Austigator used to blame Anfinta too...............Did you misspell ANTIFA ? One of these guys https://thedonald.win/p/GvYWGHYn/antifa-gets-coned/c/ ?

[husaberg]

Rest in power pigeons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7FvR8hkr6w

[Bonez]

Rest in power pigeons
Are they like power rangers but can fly?:cool:

[Stylo]

Rest in power pigeons

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7FvR8hkr6w

Brilliant. What a fucking idiot and he's getting more unhinged by the day.

And I'm of the right leaning variety. I just don't do stupid very well.

[TheDemonLord]

The God Emperor has just signed an executive order banning the use of Critical Race Theory Training in federal institutions.

Be still my beating heart.

[Bonez]

The God Emperor has just signed an executive order banning the use of Critical Race Theory Training in federal institutions.

Be still my beating heart.But but that is wasist :confused:

[Bonez]

I told Connie the jam she is using on her morning toast, Black Doris Plum Jam, is racist and should from now on be referred to as JOC (Jam OF Colour) Doris Plum Jam.:rolleyes:

[pete376403]

I told Connie the jam she is using on her morning toast, Black Doris Plum Jam, is racist and should from now on be referred to as JOC (Jam OF Colour) Doris Plum Jam.:rolleyes:


As is your Honda - can't refer to a black CB550 any more

[Bonez]

As is your Honda - can't refer to a black CB550 any moreI call her Darky so it's ok.

[pete376403]

I call her Darky so it's ok.

A cheeky darky? I recall that got someone into trouble once

[Bonez]

A cheeky darky? I recall that got someone into trouble onceThe poor dear. Black Beauty and Black Shadow were taken.

[Laava]

The Trump campaign fleet is leading by example it seems.

[pritch]

The Trump campaign fleet is leading by example it seems.

The sheriffs official damage count:
- 5 boats sank, 2 towed, 3 still submerged.
- Most boats that took on water were towed before sinking.
- Weather was calm. Large boats generated waves.
- No evidence of foul play.



Antifa are innocent.

[Bonez]

Killer of Trump Supporter SHOT DEAD by Police as Antifa THUGS ARRESTED :woohoo:

Now go have a wee cry KB Snowflakes....

[Kickaha]

Killer of Trump Supporter SHOT DEAD by Police as Antifa THUGS ARRESTED :woohoo:

Now go have a wee cry KB Snowflakes....

Why would anyone have a cry? The guy was just as big a nutbar as the Trump supporters

You seem to be making the mistake of thinking because people consider Trump a full grown marmalade twat that they automatically support anyone against him

[Bonez]

Why would anyone have a cry? The guy was just as big a nutbar as the Trump supporters

You seem to be making the mistake of thinking because people consider Trump a full grown marmalade twat that they automatically support anyone against himNo not at all. I've mentioned my position Trump quite a few times but Snowflake can't get it in their head what I said was true. I'll repeat Trump deserves FAIR CRACK without having 3 years of total bull shit thrown at him and his crew. I DO NOT BLINDLY SUPPORT HIM as opposed to the KB Snowflakes just hate the guy. In reality I don't care either way if he wins or loose the 2020 election. That is up to the AMERICAN people to decide not some moaning cunts at the bottem of the Pacific Ocean.

They post a LOT of DRIBBLE in this so why not do the same?:bleh: For example pritch postedm ANTIFA are peaceful protesters and are not an organised group:facepalm: And we ALL know that couldn't be further from the TRUTH.

[sugilite]

No not at all. I've mentioned my positionon Trump quite a few times but Snowflake can't get it in their head what I said was true.

I must of missed those posts. My 1st guess was doggy, but after a wee bit of critical thinking - I'm going with good ole missionary as that would enable you to see your heroes face. :devil2:

[Bonez]

I must of missed those posts. My 1st guess was doggy, but after a wee bit of critical thinking - I'm going with good ole missionary as that would enable you to see your heroes face. :devil2:

I've mentioned a nunber of times to you Doc but you had your head up your rectum.:yes:

[TheDemonLord]

The guy was just as big a nutbar as the Trump supporters


Are you sure about that?

How many Democrat voters have Trump supporters hunted and killed just for being a Democrat Voter?

None?

Well, there's the problem with that statement.

[sugilite]

I've mentioned a nunber of times to you Doc but you had your head up your rectum.:yes:
Doc!!! :love:

[sugilite]

Are you sure about that?

How many Democrat voters have Trump supporters hunted and killed just for being a Democrat Voter?

None?

Well, there's the problem with that statement.

Is there an official chart for those stats or something?

[Bonez]

It goes to show what pritch's character is in not retracting his comment about ANTIFA being unorganised peaceful protestors.:innocent:

[TheDemonLord]

Is there an official chart for those stats or something?

Do you think, for a second, that if someone who was explicitly a Trump voter (full MAGA hat wearing, draped in the Stars and Stripes etc.) hunted down and killed a Democrat voter (in similar circumstances to what the ANTIFA terrorist did) that this would somehow go unreported?

It would be plastered over every alphabet soup news network with tag lines of "WE WERE RIGHT ABOUT TRUMP VOTERS ALL ALONG!" and "THE VIOLENCE OF THE FAR-RIGHT EXTREMISTS REVEALED!" and other such statements.

So I ask - where is the equivalency here?

The answer is clear - there is none.

An ANTIFA Terrorist hunted and murdered someone in cold blood for the crime of being a Trump supporter.

[sugilite]

Do you think, for a second, that if someone who was explicitly a Trump voter (full MAGA hat wearing, draped in the Stars and Stripes etc.) hunted down and killed a Democrat voter (in similar circumstances to what the ANTIFA terrorist did) that this would somehow go unreported?

It would be plastered over every alphabet soup news network with tag lines of "WE WERE RIGHT ABOUT TRUMP VOTERS ALL ALONG!" and "THE VIOLENCE OF THE FAR-RIGHT EXTREMISTS REVEALED!" and other such statements.

So I ask - where is the equivalency here?

The answer is clear - there is none.

An ANTIFA Terrorist hunted and murdered someone in cold blood for the crime of being a Trump supporter.
So you are assuming what? That anytime a Trump supporter considers killing a ANTIFA terrorist, they would first call the media and make sure they have as many witnesses as possible?
Or could they for instance do a drive by at night, and pop pop all done? Could that possibly happen? If course it could.

[TheDemonLord]

So you are assuming what? That anytime a Trump supporter considers killing a ANTIFA terrorist, they would first call the media and make sure they have as many witnesses as possible?
Or could they for instance do a drive by at night, and pop pop all done? Could that possibly happen? If course it could.

Could they do it in the middle of the street, surrounded by fellow Trump supporters who openly cheered at just witnessing an execution?

No?

Edit:

But even if we take your scenario for a moment as serious, Show me a similar situation happening and I'll entertain it. However I stand by the claim that if something remotely like what you described happened - it would be running 24/7 over every left-wing media outlet.

Just like they tried to do with Kyle Rittenhouse, until video footage was shown that definitively he was being attacked on all 3 occassions and wasn't the aggressor.

[sugilite]

Could they do it in the middle of the street, surrounded by fellow Trump supporters who openly cheered at just witnessing an execution?

No?
Not what I asked, but when did that ever stop you :laugh:


Edit:

But even if we take your scenario for a moment as serious, Show me a similar situation happening and I'll entertain it. However I stand by the claim that if something remotely like what you described happened - it would be running 24/7 over every left-wing media outlet.

Just like they tried to do with Kyle Rittenhouse, until video footage was shown that definitively he was being attacked on all 3 occassions and wasn't the aggressor.

No, I cannot show you footage, because in my very plausible scenario, there are no witnesses and as such video or any proof at all. You know, that being the point I made. Any smart murderer is not going to want witnesses eh? :brick:

[Bonez]

Not what I asked, but when did that ever stop you :laugh:



No, I cannot show you footage, because in my very plausible scenario, there are no witnesses and as such video or any proof at all. You know, that being the point I made. Any smart murderer is not going to want witnesses eh? :brick:You are talking about antiTrump supporters though.:wings: Wihich seem to be less bright than Trump supporters:woohoo:.

Critical thinking lad. Critical thinking.....

[TheDemonLord]

Not what I asked, but when did that ever stop you :laugh:

That was the point...

In your scenario everything would have to be done with perfect secrecy because they know it is wrong, whereas in the actual, real-life, recorded on video event - they did it brazenly and with the support of violent mob because they did not believe what they did was wrong.

That is the entire issue: Their moral world view has been so heavily distorted that they think it's acceptable to murder someone because of who they are.

Doubly ironic because they call themselves Anti-Fascists, yet, I'm pretty sure that murdering people because of who they are is something the Fascists were rather fond of.


No, I cannot show you footage, because in my very plausible scenario, there are no witnesses and as such video or any proof at all. You know, that being the point I made. Any smart murderer is not going to want witnesses eh? :brick:

No evidence or proof at all?

Are all Trump supporters some kind of expert Ninja Assassin Mercenaries, with a full understanding of the current level of Forensics?

And even then, I point back to Kyle or the Covington Kid - where evidence doesn't exist, the Media is more than happy to fill in the blanks or even omit contradictory and exonerating evidence.

[sugilite]

You are talking about antiTrump supporters though.:wings: Wihich seem to be less bright than Trump supporters:woohoo:.

Critical thinking lad. Critical thinking.....
But are they? Or could it be that there is smart, dumb and everything in between for both dem and rep supporters?

[Bonez]

But are they? Or could it be that there is smart, dumb and everything in between for both dem and rep supporters?I think I posted ANTI-TRUMP. They could be from ANY political party.

Critical thinking son.:weird:

[sugilite]

No evidence or proof at all?

NYPD murder clearance rates for 2nd quarter of 2020 = 50.9%.
"If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?"

[sugilite]

I think I posted ANTI-TRUMP. They could be from ANY political party.

Critical thinking son.:weird:
You think? You made the post a few minutes ago - dementia?

[TheDemonLord]

NYPD murder clearance rates for 2nd quarter of 2020 = 50.9%.

Which is a false equivalence My friend.

Just because the Murder isn't solved, doesn't mean there is no evidence or that there isn't evidence that points to a perpetrator, only that it is not strong enough to build a legal case.

On numerous occasions that hasn't stopped the Media from holding a trial in the Court of Public opinion, especially for cases where the Media have a 'vested interest'

Furthermore, I would conjecture that if you filtered out from the results those who are in the 'high risk' categories:

Known Criminals/Gang Members/Affiliates
Sex Workers
Homeless
Run-aways

etc.

(and the obvious disclaimer that those people have the right to equal protection under the law and equal justice from the State)

That your clearance rate would change significantly.

[Bonez]

You think? You made the post a few minutes ago - dementia?Go reread it.:shifty:

And what you quoted:bleh:

How is your imaginary friend going?:killingme

Oh and thank you for quoting my post so KB Snowflakes can read them.:yes:

[sugilite]

Just because the Murder isn't solved, doesn't mean there is no evidence or that there isn't evidence that points to a perpetrator, only that it is not strong enough to build a legal case.


Forgive me cutting out all the straw man shit, but statistically only 50.9 non demonlord spun murder cases were solved. They probs don't want to allocate shit all resources. I still stand by the fact that right wing people could easily knock off left wing and visa versa without it being detected yet alone reported.


Go reread it.:shifty:

And what you quoted:bleh:

Oh dear, comprehension too. I never disputed what words you had said.
You better book a dementia test, Trump knows a good one.

[Bonez]

Forgive me cutting out all the straw man shit, but statistically only 50.9 non demonlord spun murder cases were solved. They probs don't want to allocate shit all resources. I still stand by the fact that right wing people could easily knock off left wing and visa versa without it being detected yet alone reported.



Oh dear, comprehension too. I never disputed what words you had said.
You better book a dementia test, Trump knows a good one.C'mon Doc you obviously think all anti-Trumpers are Dems. How is that critical thing coming along?:yawn:

[TheDemonLord]

Forgive me cutting out all the straw man shit, but statistically only 50.9 non demonlord spun murder cases were solved. They probs don't want to allocate shit all resources. I still stand by the fact that right wing people could easily knock off left wing and visa versa without it being detected yet alone reported.

Even accepting your premise, what they could not do - is what actually happened with an ANTIFA Terrorist executing someone for wearing a MAGA hat.

That's the bit where the attempted equivalence falls down.

As an aside - the Figure that you quoted - there's some interesting things to be noted:

Bronx Brooklyn Manhattan Queens Staten Island Citywide
Murder 84.0% 32.6% 61.1% 42.1% 40.0% 50.9%

The Bronx (I believe traditionally a high-crime area) has an 84% clearance rate, Brooklyn has a very low rate (which I believe also was traditionally a high-crime area)

[sugilite]

C'mon Doc you obviously think all anti-Trumpers are Dems. How is that critical thing coming along?:yawn:
Actually with the likes of the Lincoln project and many other type republican groups that unprecedented in history oppose their own guy - no I do not think all anti trumpers are dems.
I wonder why so many republican groups oppose him? Could it be he is a criminal that is actively dismantling their beloved constitution? Sorry to bore you old boy, must be time for a nanna nap for you by now?


Even accepting your premise, what they could not do - is what actually happened with an ANTIFA Terrorist executing someone for wearing a MAGA hat.

That's the bit where the attempted equivalence falls down.
I'm not in any way agreeing with or defending or anything like that. Yes, a ANTIFA murdered a MAGA hat wearing person. Live by the sword and die by it.
I'm absolutely saying that there is no way you can unequivocally say that the opposite has never occurred undetected. No matter how much you desperately want to argue your position, you simply can not know.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm absolutely saying that there is no way you can unequivocally say that the opposite has never occurred undetected. No matter how much you desperately want to argue your position, you simply can not know.

And even if I agree with your 'undetected' qualifier, what I can equivocally say is that there has not been a similar situation in reverse.

That is the crux of the issue, this is entirely a one-sided issue borne entirely out of a particular socio-political philosophy that everytime it has been attempted yeilded the same results

[Bonez]

Actually with the likes of the Lincoln project and many other type republican groups that unprecedented in history oppose their own guy - no I do not think all anti trumpers are dems.
I wonder why so many republican groups oppose him? Could it be he is a criminal that is actively dismantling their beloved constitution? Sorry to bore you old boy, must be time for a nanna nap for you by now?
.You'll need to consult you imaginary for that. As I said earlier I really don't give FUCK but you Snowflakes just go ON and ON and ON infinitum.... It's absolutely hilarious.:clap:

[sugilite]

You'll need to consult you imaginary for that. As I said earlier I really don't give FUCK but you Snowflakes just go ON and ON and ON infinitum.... It's absolutely hilarious.:clap:
And you have perfectly encapsulated your "Don't give a fuck" premise with the many replies you have made. Clearly, no irony there :laugh:


And even if I agree with your 'undetected' qualifier, what I can equivocally say is that there has not been a similar situation in reverse.

That is the crux of the issue, this is entirely a one-sided issue borne entirely out of a particular socio-political philosophy that everytime it has been attempted yeilded the same results
Well, you can equivocally say it - to yourself.
One sided? Please.

[Bonez]

And you have perfectly encapsulated your "Don't give a fuck" premise with the many replies you have made. Clearly, no irony there :laugh:
.It's my daily entertainment Doc. But because you are unable to grasp the concept of critical thinking you will not be able to figure that out.:spanking:

[TheDemonLord]

Well, you can equivocally say it - to yourself.
One sided? Please.

And that is what is going to guarantee Trumps re-election.

In the words of George Gregan:

Four more years boys, Four more years. (https://makeagif.com/i/TIEQTd)

[sugilite]

It's my daily entertainment Doc. But because you are unable to grasp the concept of critical thinking you will not be able to figure that out.:spanking:

Wahoo :2thumbsup, go you Bonez, clearly still not giving a fuck! :bleh:


And that is what is going to guarantee Trumps re-election.

In the words of George Gregan:

Four more years boys, Four more years. (https://makeagif.com/i/TIEQTd)

OK, could happen.
The USA is fucked either way. There is going to be riots, death and perhaps even a civil war no matter who "wins".

[pritch]

You better book a dementia test, Trump knows a good one.

Like the one below?

But seriously, I just learned that those who make it to eighty have to pass the Montreal Cognitive Assessment to renew their drivers licence. The same test Trump made famous.

[Bonez]

Wahoo :2thumbsup, go you Bonez, clearly still not giving a fuck! :bleh:

Absolutely as said before you Snowflakes are an absolute riot.:yes:

A very nice ride on the CB550F today. You should try riding sometime.:yes:

Hell you should team up with pritch and ride around at 170kph everywhere:scooter:

Attending a critical thinking class may be useful as well.:rolleyes:

[Kickaha]

Just like they tried to do with Kyle Rittenhouse, until video footage was shown that definitively he was being attacked on all 3 occassions and wasn't the aggressor.

He'd already committed multiple crimes just by being there with that weapon, I have zero sympathy for him

[Stylo]

To China ...'I have a very, very large brain...'

Only a brain dead red-neck would be happy with a leader who spoke like this. Must have been magic to their ears.

Seems there's still a few of them around. Nothing goin' on here folks . Funny. What a fucking idiot.

Trump. Only for the stupid.





https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQgjpnr5e2s