The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[Bonez]

Congratulations mashman.:Punk:

[Katman]

You too can go on ignore.

I can't for the life of me figure out why I'm not on that list as well.

You seem intent on ignoring anyone who holds a different opinion to yours.

As Jason says, at least that's one way of convincing yourself that yours is the only valid opinion.

[pritch]

I can't for the life of me figure out why I'm not on that list as well.

You seem intent on ignoring anyone who holds a different opinion to yours.

As Jason says, at least that's one way of convincing yourself that yours is the only valid opinion.

You get close sometimes but you have made a positive contribution in the past. Although that is starting to seem a very long time ago.

If he said that, Jason is exhibiting his customary lack of judgment.

I have no idea where mashman came up with the stuff he wrote. I have no objection to discussion, but inane babble is another matter.

What I have been taking issue with is Katman's comments about handing prisoners to the cilvil authority, and that he said New Zealand troops were "guilty" of this. He apparently considers this unacceptable but refuses to suggest an alternative. I would be genuinely interested to read of his alternative plan because I can't conceive of one. To criticise the only option seems stupid.

[Bonez]

pritch said "I have no idea where mashman came up with the stuff he wrote. I have no objection to discussion, but inane babble is another matter.


Inane babble is the order of the day. It's a Rant and Rave thread ffs.

[Katman]

What I have been taking issue with is Katman's comments about handing prisoners to the cilvil authority, and that he said New Zealand troops were "guilty" of this. He apparently considers this unacceptable but refuses to suggest an alternative. I would be genuinely interested to read of his alternative plan because I can't conceive of one. To criticise the only option seems stupid.

And my comments have been directly related to TDL's suggestion that invasion of a sovereign country is justified if it's ruler allows torture to be carried out.

[pritch]

And my comments have been directly related to TDL's suggestion that invasion of a sovereign country is justified if it's ruler allows torture to be carried out.

I'll make it simple for you, I don't disagree with you on that. We'll only ever be fed bullshit by the relevant government as to the real reason. It might be oil, or it might be W's daddy issues, but they won't admit that.

I was asking you to justify the comments you made which I considered offensive but OK, you've got nothing.

Moving on...

[Katman]

I was asking you to justify the comments you made which I considered offensive but OK, you've got nothing.

Offensive? My god you're thin skinned.

If you're so upset over my use of the word 'guilty', I'll try to remember to never again suggest you're 'guilty' of ignoring anyone whose opinion differs from yours.

[jasonu]

I have no idea who you are arguing with, but it isn't me. God knows what goes on between your ears, but I'm not interested. You too can go on ignore. You've set the record for the shortest time.

That is pretty much everyone on ignore. Why do you even bother? Why don't you take your blather elsewhere?

Would someone please quote this so the silly old coot sees it. He has me on ignore.....

[mashman]

Congratulations mashman.:Punk:

It only took 11 years and a pair of twisted knickers. Who knew how easy that'd be.

[mashman]

I have no idea who you are arguing with, but it isn't me. God knows what goes on between your ears, but I'm not interested. You too can go on ignore. You've set the record for the shortest time.


But they're not stopping torture if they continue to hand over prisoners to local authorities in the knowledge that they'll be tortured.


Your argument is totally specious. You keep saying that, which may appear superficially reasonable, but is just silly.


Explains why Katmans argument is not specious and highlights a perspective that sees such a position as rather offensive


!pants bunched!


adds a little nuance that at least 2 other people understand


!knickers twisted!


I have no idea who you are arguing with, but it isn't me.

I wasn't arguing. I was explaining my reasoning for seeing Katmans argument as not specious. S'ok though, I'm used to the KB "I don't understand you, so it's all your fault" bollocks... t'was funny seeing it come from yourself though.

[Bonez]

We'll just let pritch converse with himself.

[sugilite]

A interesting article to digest over your morning breakfast.
https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-abandoning-trump-iran-us-withdraw-leadership-world-qassem-soleiman2020-1/?r=AU&IR=T

[pritch]

A interesting article to digest over your morning breakfast.
https://www.businessinsider.com/uk-abandoning-trump-iran-us-withdraw-leadership-world-qassem-soleiman2020-1/?r=AU&IR=T

Yeah, that was on the radio news yesterday, that's a significant development. Putin will be pleased with his man in DC.

[sugilite]

A Sad reflection on modern day news agencies, when it is left to comedians to do their job, and do it in a more informative way FFS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKBgREfspKI

[TheDemonLord]

But they're not stopping torture if they continue to hand over prisoners to local authorities in the knowledge that they'll be tortured.

So they should replace the entire governmental and enforcement structures then? In effect creating something akin to a Colony or a Dominion?

To ensure that it doesn't continue?

But you have stated, you are against that also.

[TheDemonLord]

Oprah singing, T-shirts and not a lot else in my opinion does not give anywhere enough evidence to support the near first hand knowledge of their total parenting style/history you were expounding.

T-shirts that aren't a fashion statement are a pretty good indicator of what one believes or supports or likes. I've got numerous Metal T-Shirts (as an example). Think MAGA Hats or similar, an ANTIFA T-shirt is a fairly accurate indicator of what politics you are likely to hold. On top of that it doesn't contradict other bits of information we have.

Is there Conjecture - for sure, but it's not baseless.


Wait until your passed on stubborn meets teenage hormones - then we will talk :yes:

True... Myself and my Wife have discussed this (based on what she says her childhood was like) - My current battle plan is a tactical 5 year retreat to the Pub.


Working with them is entirely different from parenting them me thinks.

My Project manager disagrees....

Very strongly...

[sugilite]

T-shirts that aren't a fashion statement are a pretty good indicator of what one believes or supports or likes. I've got numerous Metal T-Shirts (as an example). Think MAGA Hats or similar, an ANTIFA T-shirt is a fairly accurate indicator of what politics you are likely to hold. On top of that it doesn't contradict other bits of information we have.

Is there Conjecture - for sure, but it's not baseless.
And I completely agree with your points. Left leaning for sure. But not the basis to place all parenting assumptions upon.




True... Myself and my Wife have discussed this (based on what she says her childhood was like) - My current battle plan is a tactical 5 year retreat to the Pub.

Solid plan :lol:


My Project manager disagrees....

Very strongly...
Yes, I was going to put in the caveat, mangers may not agree - but just the fact they feel like that, imagine not being able to leave those problems behind at the office each day? Or even worse, having to deal with shitty shit at work and also having a stroppy asperger monster waiting to work you over at home!

[jasonu]

A Sad reflection on modern day news agencies, when it is left to comedians to do their job, and do it in a more informative way FFS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKBgREfspKI

yep.

he does a great GW impression too.

[oldrider]

Suddenly the narrative has been changed to become it's - "White Man Wars"? :- https://www.bitchute.com/video/aBzlnZOhtZ0/ - :msn-wink:

[oldrider]

"Trump whisperer Pompeo" was the one who made the case to take out Soleimani, - https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202001101077999237-iran-puppet-master-mike-pompeo-talked-trump-into-killing-soleimani--reports/ - :stupid:

- MIGA? MAGA? MEENY? MOH? - I am POTUS, their leader - "They tell me" which way to go? - :cool:

[Banditbandit]

"Trump whisperer Pompeo" was the one who made the case to take out Soleimani, - https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202001101077999237-iran-puppet-master-mike-pompeo-talked-trump-into-killing-soleimani--reports/ - :stupid:

- MIGA? MAGA? MEENY? MOH? - I am POTUS, their leader - "They tell me" which way to go? - :cool:

Yeah - Pence wants the Rapture to happen NOW - and he thinks he can start it ....

[Katman]

I was asking you to justify the comments you made which I considered offensive but OK, you've got nothing.

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/407271/nzsas-detainees-sent-to-torture-linked-nds-likely-more-than-42-stephenson?fbclid=IwAR3Hw8ocGNaFCLDUNQKi5JQ8wtONPm 6IU-KWcwWhmLVDZGOOjMDxoq7VP0w

[husaberg]

Nicky Hager and Jon Stephenson have stood by the claims in their book Hit and Run, saying they are "100 per cent sure" about the facts of the military operation,
Hager and Stephenson stood by the information in Hit and Run, with Stephenson saying the pair were "100 per cent sure" Kiwi soldiers had been operating in the villages they named.
"We're absolutely confident we're right, no question about it."
The information came from "multiple, multiple sources", Stephenson said.
In a statement sent to media on Sunday night, the authors say it's "actually impossible that the story is wrong".

https://www.rnz.co.nz/news/national/392464/operation-burnham-hit-and-run-author-backtracks-on-key-claim


One of the authors of Hit & Run has now backtracked from a key claim in the book, revealing he now believes armed insurgents were in a village attacked by New Zealand elite soldiers.

Hit & Run states that there were no insurgents in the village of Khak Khuday Dad or nearby Naik - and that the Defence Force was mistaken to think there were.
But Mr Stephenson said he had since spoken to two insurgent commanders who say they were in or around Naik during Operation Burnham.

[oldrider]

No caption needed?:- :msn-wink: https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/1217115566265307138/photo/1 -

[pritch]

Thanks Katman I hadn't seen that.

It appears the SAS handed prisoners, or whoever, to the Afghan authorities, no question. It also seems that in your view there's something wrong with that, so what do you think should happen in those circumstances?

What the SAS were doing is normal procedure. This is not at all like the CIA's "extraordinary rendition" where prisoners were flown to different countries specifically to be tortured

[Katman]

.....so what do you think should happen in those circumstances?

Once again (for the fuck knows how manyth time), my comments have been specifically regarding the practice of torture being used as a justification for invading a country - when the invading forces then allow that torture to continue unabated.

The fact that members of those invading forces then help provide the people for that torture to be practiced on, makes that justification even more nonsensical.

[pritch]

Once again (for the fuck knows how manyth time), my comments have been specifically regarding the practice of torture being used as a justification for invading a country - when the invading forces then allow that torture to continue unabated.

The fact that members of those invading forces then help provide the people for that torture to be practiced on, makes that justification even more nonsensical.

I'm not arguing with that, but it's not relevant to my question.

You said the NZ troops were "guilty" of handing prisoners over for torture, I'm asking for your alternative plan.

[Katman]

I'm not arguing with that, but it's not relevant to my question.

And your question has no relevance to the point I was making.

[pritch]

And your question has no relevance to the point I was making.


You failed to even make sense, but perhaps you'd better give up it seems beyond you.

[Katman]

You failed to even make sense

I suspect that failure may be yours.

[jasonu]

You failed to even make sense, but perhaps you'd better give up it seems beyond you.

You should put him on ignore.

[oldrider]

China, Russia, North Korea and Iran Form Anti-American Alliance:- (Full article) https://videos.whatfinger.com/2020/01/17/china-russia-north-korea-and-iran-form-anti-american-alliance/ - What kung fu dat? - :scratch:

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[oldrider]

Northam Declares State Of Emergency In Virginia Because "Armed Militia Groups Plan To Storm The Capitol" - https://www.zerohedge.com/political/northam-declares-state-emergency-virginia-because-armed-militia-groups-plan-storm-capitol - Not a good look! :oi-grr:

[sugilite]

As inconvenient as that is, I'm backing Trumps lies to outlast his photo collection :lol:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/parnas-ill-release-a-photo-each-time-trump-denies-knowing-me

[pritch]

As inconvenient as that is, I'm backing Trumps lies to outlast his photo collection :lol:


Might take longer than we think. This morning I saw a photo of Parnas with Ivana, Trump's wife number 1.
Lev may have been around a while.

Devin Nunes, Republican Congressman from California, is suing an ever growing list of people and organisations including CNN, Twitter, and an imaginary cow. That latter is not quite as weird as it seems, Nunes describes himself as a farmer, but it seems his farm too is only imaginary.

Nunes' lawyer has now sent a five page letter to Ted Lieu, Democrat Congressman also from California, threatening legal action unless, among other things, Lieu issues a public apology for statements he has made about Nunes.

Lieu's reply has gained instant fame.

[husaberg]

Trumps legal team
Alan Dershowitz
Dershowitz, has defended or advised on such high-profile cases as those of O.J. Simpson, Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein.
Dershowitz was sued last year by one of Epstein’s accusers: Virginia Giuffre, previously known as Virginia Roberts, said Dershowitz falsely claimed she had fabricated the accusations. The lawsuit alleges that Dershowitz "was also a participant in sex trafficking, including as one of the men to whom Epstein lent out plaintiff for sex."

Kenneth Starr
As independent counsel, he led the investigation into the Clintons and the Whitewater real estate deal, which led to the impeachment of President Bill Clinton.
Current job: Until Friday, he was a Fox News contributor.

On NBC's "Today" show in 1999, he called Starr, at various points, “terrible,” “a lunatic” and “a disaster.”
Starr told Fox News host Laura Ingraham last year that he was “in the room” when the sweetheart plea deal for Jeffrey Epstein was cut more than a decade ago with Alex Acosta 2008
During his investigation of Clinton, Starr argued that hearing from witnesses was crucial (watch for Democrats to seize on this). "We cannot responsibly determine whether she [Lewinsky] is telling the truth without speaking directly to her," Starr said. He added: “We have found that there is no substitute for looking a witness in the eye, asking detailed questions, matching the answers against verifiable facts, and if appropriate, giving a polygraph test."
Ken Starr resigned from Baylor when it became known he had covered up a sexual assault scandal.

Pam Bondi
Current job: member of the White House impeachment communications team.
Background: Until last year, Bondi was attorney general of Florida, an office she had held since 2011.

Bondi was involved in a Trump Foundation controversy after the charity was forced to pay a penalty for donating to a campaign group connected to Bondi. Bondi decided not to pursue fraud allegations against Trump University following the $25,000 donation, which was later deemed improper. (Refresh your memory with this 2016 Washington Post piece.) Bondi said in response to the news reports, "I never, nor was my office, investigating him. Never. I would never lie. I would never take money. I've been obviously devastated over this," according to the Tampa Bay Times.

[Katman]

…..according to the Tampa Bay Times.

Says it all really.

[Bonez]

Says it all really.As reliable as MSNBC. Anyway I'm enjoying the Dems making themselves look more stupid re Trumps impeachment articals. Must replenish the popcorn.

[husaberg]

Says it all really.
NBC reported it as did all the other news organisations, but as it wasn't on the grider section daily stormer, i guess you missed it.........but you are welcome to attempt to disprove any off it, Knock yourself out.........
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry/meet-trump-s-legal-team-impeachment-trial-n1118156#anchor-PamBondi

According to the tampa bay times its on a voice mail, but you of course would know better................

Bondi has reportedly denied dropping any investigation during the time her office was contemplating whether to join a New York probe of Trump University. "I never, nor was my office, investigating him. Never. I would never lie. I would never take money. I've been obviously devastated over this," she said in a voice mail message that The Tampa Bay Times said she left with one of its reporters in June.
https://abc7chicago.com/news/clinton-calls-for-scrutiny-of-questionable-trump-foundation-dealings/1500360/




Bondi tried to refund the money in March because it came from a charitable foundation not authorized to make campaign contributions.
But according to Nancy Watkins, a Tampa accountant for Bondi's political committee, And Justice for All, the refund was rejected and Trump wrote a personal check.
Bondi's statement on Tuesday made no mention of the $25,000 Trump check. Nor did it refer to her involvement in a Trump conference call Monday

[pritch]

Trump's defence team is an unlovely cast of characters; all feature on Fox News of course.

Dershovitz has had a distinguished career, Professor Emeritus at Harvard no less, but may now be senile? He was involved with Epstein to a greater extent than just the court case; he apparently received at least one massage from a young lady while a guest of Epstein's, but claimed he kept his underpants on. A Tui ad may be appropriate?

As a special prosecutor Starr hounded Bill Clinton for years, eventually getting him for the very important crime of lying about a blow job. Now though he says Trump's abuse of his office is not a crime as detailed in the constitution and there is no reason Trump should have been impeached. If Starr isn't the biggest hypocrite in the history of the world he has to be a finalist.

When she was Forida Attorney General Trump allegedly bought Bondi off with $25,000 from his charity. Apparently she was starting to investigate his fake university. IIRC that payment was one of the reasons his charity was considered to be operating outside the law, why it was ordered to cease operating, why neither Trump nor his kids are allowed to be involved with any charity, and the kids have to undertake charity training.

Like Trump said, "The best people."

But these things have been reported by most serious news organisations for years now. Sneering at a Tampa newspaper - from Florida where Bondi is from, and where Trump is resident now - is just sneering for the sake of sneering.

[oldrider]

Trump's defence team is an unlovely cast of characters; all feature on Fox News of course.

Dershovitz has had a distinguished career, Professor Emeritus at Harvard no less, but may now be senile? He was involved with Epstein to a greater extent than just the court case; he apparently received at least one massage from a young lady while a guest of Epstein's, but claimed he kept his underpants on. A Tui ad may be appropriate?

As a special prosecutor Starr hounded Bill Clinton for years, eventually getting him for the very important crime of lying about a blow job. Now though he says Trump's abuse of his office is not a crime as detailed in the constitution and there is no reason Trump should have been impeached. If Starr isn't the biggest hypocrite in the history of the world he has to be a finalist.

When she was Forida Attorney General Trump allegedly bought Bondi off with $25,000 from his charity. Apparently she was starting to investigate his fake university. IIRC that payment was one of the reasons his charity was considered to be operating outside the law, why it was ordered to cease operating, why neither Trump nor his kids are allowed to be involved with any charity, and the kids have to undertake charity training.

Like Trump said, "The best people."

But these things have been reported by most serious news organisations for years now. Sneering at a Tampa newspaper - from Florida where Bondi is from, and where Trump is resident now - is just sneering for the sake of sneering.

True! - And - The left is a mirror image of the right - all compromised and controllable - by deception do war? - Magic? - How do they do that? :rofl:

[oldrider]

Alfred McCoy Breaks Down the History of America’s Geopolitical Maneuvering:- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1Ey_-1447s&feature=youtu.be


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[pritch]

Apropos of the current impeachment trial and the reluctance by the Republicans or Trump to have witnesses appear or evidence heard, herewith some figures.

Only three presidents including Trump have been impeached. There have been a number of other holders of high office impeached though, mostly judges, there have been fifteen impeachments in all. Interestingly Adam Schiff prosecuted the last one successfully.

Moscow Mitch McConnell is stopping any witnesses appearing and trying to present this as normal. It is not. The following table shows each of the fifteen previous impeachments and the number of witness in each.

[Bonez]

Were they brand new witnesses or those who already at the previous impeachment investigation? What Mitch wants is if the Dems put foward whitness's they should be the ones that have already been in the House and Trump and Team reserve to right for there witness's to present evidence. As you well know that didn't happen in the House.

[pritch]

. As you well know that didn't happen in the House.

Because Trump, despite there being lawfully issued subpoenas, refused to let any appear. To pursue that through the courts could take years so the Democrats let it pass. That alone though could be another impeachable offence.

He has just admitted another crime on camera. Words to the effect, we've got all the evidence, they haven't got any. Because he will not produce it. That right there is another impeachable offence. None of this is normal.

An innocent person wants all the evidence produced so as to prove they are innocent. Trump wants nothing produced, funny that.

Trump could set a new record, first president to be impeached multiple times.

[Bonez]

An here I was thinking I was on your ignor list you pathetic little weasel. Trump was legally within his rights to go to the courts about the subpoenas.

[Katman]

Apropos of the......herewith some figures.

Are you trying to sound like TDL?

[Bonez]

Wrt lies https://twitter.com/i/status/1220160573251428352?cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjc18y&refsrc=email Where is this "over welming and compelling evidencde"? In "plain sight"? No wait the was that collusion thingy...

Same brocken recold, same old tune..................since before Trump inauguration. Shit over three years.

[pritch]

Are you trying to sound like TDL?

That'd be a no.

[Bonez]

That'd be a no.It's blatently obvious you suffer from Stage 5 TDS. I suggest you keep away from sharp objects.

[oldrider]

Trump plan said to give Israel sovereignty throughout Jerusalem, all settlements:- (MIGA?) - https://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-plan-said-to-give-israel-sovereignty-throughout-jerusalem-all-settlements/?utm_source=Breaking+News&utm_campaign=breaking-news-2020-01-23-2226784&utm_medium=email - MAGA? - Oh that? :rofl:

[pritch]

There seems to be some confusion about the ignore function. If you have someone on ignore you can see that they have posted, but not what they have said. Each time though you have the option to view the post if you wish, or to remove them from your list.

With one exception, I consider the people I have on ignore to be as dumb as a box of rocks and nasty with it. They are incapable of rational discussion, they show up and fling some shit around like the proverbial mad woman, but generally they don't make much sense at all. It's a bonus if it's even English.

TDL is the exception, he's there for a different reason.

I hope that helps. :innocent:

[jasonu]

there seems to be some confusion about the ignore function. If you have someone on ignore you can see that they have posted, but not what they have said. Each time though you have the option to view the post if you wish, or to remove them from your list.

With one exception, i consider the people i have on ignore to be as dumb as a box of rocks and nasty with it. They are incapable of rational discussion, they show up and fling some shit around like the proverbial mad woman, but generally they don't make much sense at all. It's a bonus if it's even english.

Tdl is the exception, he's there for a different reason.

I hope that helps. :innocent:

fuckwit.

10 characters.

[Bonez]

Looks like the votes are in....

Hey MaxPenquin can you confirm to Huseboy I'm not you and you are not me. He seems to be confused.

[MaxPenguin]

Why would he think that?

[Bonez]

Why would he think that?No idea at all. But it is amusing.

[MaxPenguin]

Well I'm comfortable with it if you are.

[Bonez]

Well I'm comfortable with it if you are.Yip. I think something about penguins was the trigger.:rolleyes:

[TheDemonLord]

TDL is the exception, he's there for a different reason.

I did not expect such Flattery.

[oldrider]

International Zionists are no fools - as with Winston Churchill, they have invested heavily in Trump and most likely expect a lot more return on investment than has been evidenced thus far - watch this space? :msn-wink:

[oldrider]

President Donald Trump is the first U.S. president to attend and speak at the event. - Full coverage:- https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/watch-2020-march-for-life-trumps-speech-live-right-here - Votes? - :niceone:


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Actual turnout? - Here.

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[Bonez]

That'll have the snow flakes, those who think they are pandas and gold fish crying in their soy milk.

[oldrider]

I'm Running For President!! Will You Support Me if I DO ALL THIS?!? - :scratch: - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmESOPNH2cI&feature=youtu.be - What would Trump have to do for you to WITHDRAW your support for him? - :corn:


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[oldrider]

Apparently? Trump claims he was "number 1" in his class? :- :shifty: - http://www.hideoutnow.com/2020/01/but-trump-claims-he-was-number-1-in-his.html - Not exactly solid supporting evidence? - :whistle:

[pritch]

Apparently? Trump claims he was "number 1" in his class? :- :shifty: - http://www.hideoutnow.com/2020/01/but-trump-claims-he-was-number-1-in-his.html - Not exactly solid supporting evidence? - :whistle:

Trump had his lawyer write to all his schools threatening legal action if they released any of his records. As you would if you'd had a distinguished academic career...

Then again he wouldn't let any of his political appointees speak at the impeachment hearing. As you would if you were innocent...

/S

[Bonez]

All of Obamas school records are sealed.

[oldrider]

All of Obamas school records are sealed.

Same reason obviously - they are manufactured and groomed for the roll - :msn-wink:

[husaberg]

All of Obamas school records are sealed.

Obamas records are also not sealed, a judge is one of the few people with authority to seal records.
He graduated Columbia university
Obama graduated magna cum laude from Harvard Law School (the second highest honor available) in 1991
Obama was also president of the Harvard law review. How is it do you think he became that, his family had no money
without money, To get into Havard at all his grades would have to be stellar in the first place.
Trump on the other hand............

https://theweek.com/speedreads/827359/trump-wanted-obama-show-transcript-someone-tried-bury-trumps-just-days-later

[pritch]

Obama was a university lecturer on Constituional Law. Trump has never even read the US Constitution and when recently he had to read part of it aloud, he complained it was like a foreign language. So much for his oath of office.

[sugilite]

Obama was a university lecturer on Constituional Law. Trump has never even read the US Constitution and when recently he had to read part of it aloud, he complained it was like a foreign language. So much for his oath of office.
With Trump, it is oaf in office

[oldrider]

Trump drops more bombs than Obama in Afghanistan! - MAGA? - Right on! :Oops:


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[oldrider]

Trump reveals #StealOfTheCentury ? :eek: https://twitter.com/Ian56789/status/1222266144364670977?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - At last, peace? :msn-wink: - MIGA? - MAGA?

[pritch]

Jared is touting 'his' Middle East Peace Plan. Having no experience nor any qualifications for the job his father in law gave him despite the US anti-nepotism laws, he is keen for us to know he has read 25 books on the subject. How many of the 25 were written by Palestinians? My guess?

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[Bonez]

Jared is touting 'his' Middle East Peace Plan. Having no experience nor any qualifications for the job his father in law gave him despite the US anti-nepotism laws, he is keen for us to know he has read 25 books on the subject. How many of the 25 were written by Palestinians? My guess?

0So a bit like Hunter Biden and the enegy sector ah.

[sugilite]

Jared is touting 'his' Middle East Peace Plan. Having no experience nor any qualifications for the job his father in law gave him despite the US anti-nepotism laws, he is keen for us to know he has read 25 books on the subject. How many of the 25 were written by Palestinians? My guess?

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Saw that, and points well made Pritch.
And look, along came a trumpeteer with a bad case of the what abouts :laugh:

Guess that is a lot easier than defending the indefensible eh.

[TheDemonLord]

Saw that, and points well made Pritch.
And look, along came a trumpeteer with a bad case of the what abouts :laugh:

Guess that is a lot easier than defending the indefensible eh.

I'd say that links rather nicely back to the discussion in the other thread, as to who started what first, then getting upset when others do the same.

[Bonez]

I'd say that links rather nicely back to the discussion in the other thread, as to who started what first, then getting upset when others do the same.Definitely funny to watch.

[sugilite]

I'd say that links rather nicely back to the discussion in the other thread, as to who started what first, then getting upset when others do the same.

And if the "what about" was comparable, I might agree. However, it was at best a clumsy attempt. On one hand we have a privileged rich daddies boy pulling in big bucks for doing fuck knows what vs a complete middle eastern novice laying out a plan that could potentially lay waste to thousands of lives.

[husaberg]

And if the "what about" was comparable, On one hand we have a privileged rich daddies boy pulling in big bucks for doing fuck knows what vs a complete middle eastern novice laying out a plan that could potentially lay waste to thousands of lives.
Funny enough both of those examples could also describe DONALD TRUMP......

[mashman]

And if the "what about" was comparable, I might agree. However, it was at best a clumsy attempt. On one hand we have a privileged rich daddies boy pulling in big bucks for doing fuck knows what vs a complete middle eastern novice laying out a plan that could potentially lay waste to thousands of lives.

What experience does a face need other than to be a face? Kushner is a presenter. He says what he's told to say.

[TheDemonLord]

And if the "what about" was comparable, I might agree. However, it was at best a clumsy attempt. On one hand we have a privileged rich daddies boy pulling in big bucks for doing fuck knows what vs a complete middle eastern novice laying out a plan that could potentially lay waste to thousands of lives.

It's certainly fair to say that one is of a greater importance than the other, but it is also fair to say that Hunter was in a position to make decisions that could effect (in a very negative manner) thousands of lives, Not in a Bombs and Bullets sense,

although a slight flippant thought: The 'Experts' haven't gotten anywhere, so how much worse could an enthusiastic amateur be?

[husaberg]

What experience does a face need other than to be a face? Kushner is a presenter. He says what he's told to say.

His title is Snr adviser to Trump......

Abbe Lowell, the lawyer of Kushner, in a statement admitted that Kushner used private e-mail for official White House business. Kushner's father-in-law repeatedly criticized his opponent Hillary Clinton for her personal e-mail usage in her role as Secretary of State......

In late March 2017, Jared Kushner was also given the new role of leading the "White House Office of American Innovation", where Kushner reportedly has been focusing on improving governmental efforts with regard to Veterans Affairs, information-technology contracting, and the opioid crisis. Kushner was involved in the sale of $100+ billion of arms to Saudi Arabia, and during a meeting with Saudi officials at the White House, he called Lockheed Martin CEO Marillyn Hewson to ask for a lower price on a radar system to detect ballistic missiles.

Kushner's business activities in China have drawn scrutiny for mixing government with business. Kushner's investments in real estate and financial services have also drawn controversy for conflicts of interest. In May, the Wall Street Journal reported that he had failed to disclose all required financial information in his security clearance applications, including that he owes $1 billion in loans

In February 2018, all White House staff holding interim Top Secret/SCI security clearances, including Kushner, were downgraded to Secret clearances.
On May 23, 2018, Kushner received permanent Top Secret security clearance.
In May, the Wall Street Journal reported that he had failed to disclose all required financial information in his security clearance applications, including that he owes $1 billion in loans
In January 2019, Trump told the New York Times that he had not intervened to grant Kushner's security clearances. On February 8, 2019, Kushner's wife Ivanka also denied that Trump had intervened to grant her or Kushner's security clearances. However, on February 28, 2019, CNN (citing three anonymous sources) and The New York Times (citing four anonymous sources) reported that Trump had intervened to order the granting of those clearances. Reportedly, this is the first time a U.S. President has intervened in such a way.

like trump hes hardly self made.
Following his father's conviction for fraud in 2005 and subsequent incarceration, Jared Kushner took over the management of his father's real estate company. As of 2019, Kushner's net worth is estimated at about $800 million
Yet owes about a billion..........

[pritch]

The US doesn't need diplomats, they've got Jared.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/jared-kushner-peace-plan-palestinians

[sugilite]

It's certainly fair to say that one is of a greater importance than the other, but it is also fair to say that Hunter was in a position to make decisions that could effect (in a very negative manner) thousands of lives, Not in a Bombs and Bullets sense,
Absolutely zero comparison in my book


although a slight flippant thought: The 'Experts' haven't gotten anywhere, so how much worse could an enthusiastic amateur be?
Equally flippant, go get a guy from HR and let him loose on your code for your most important application, let me know how it went? :bleh:

[TheDemonLord]

Absolutely zero comparison in my book

Fair enough, I agree it's not the same magnitude, but to me it is the same principle.


Equally flippant, go get a guy from HR and let him loose on your code for your most important application, let me know how it went? :bleh:

Maybe not from HR - but I've certainly let one of the Accounts ladies loose on the SQL backend for one of our most important apps.

It went so well that she went off and got herself another job with more pay and benefits....

(and yes I am salty about that, cause she was bloody good at her job)

Point was - if all the 'professionals' and 'Experts' have done nothing but make a pig's Breakfast of it - maybe a fresh pair of eyes will help and if not, it would be hard to do a worse job than what has happened before him.

[pete376403]

The US doesn't need diplomats, they've got Jared.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/01/jared-kushner-peace-plan-palestinians

Who with any sense of reality would pick a Jew to negotiate a deal between the Jews and the Palestinians?

[onearmedbandit]

Point was - if all the 'professionals' and 'Experts' have done nothing but make a pig's Breakfast of it - maybe a fresh pair of eyes will help and if not, it would be hard to do a worse job than what has happened before him.

Simply can not argue with that.

[Kickaha]

Simply can not argue with that.

Are you forgetting where you are ?

[Grumph]

Point was - if all the 'professionals' and 'Experts' have done nothing but make a pig's Breakfast of it - maybe a fresh pair of eyes will help and if not, it would be hard to do a worse job than what has happened before him.

He's managed it. It is a worse job. But he did what he was told to do - favour the money. Israel represents a huge financial investment for the US and an administration based on profit - whether personal (as we've seen) - or for corporate America, was always going to come down on Israel's side.

[pete376403]

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-israel-palestinian-peace-deal-century-netanyahu-middle-east-a9309396.html?fbclid=IwAR3Ke--SCnzo6cMkO09xxf6EdNownF7w6L-3n2-KXIS4_vYYUqE6CUmIG0w

[oldrider]

He's managed it. It is a worse job. But he did what he was told to do - favour the money. Israel represents a huge financial investment for the US and an administration based on profit - whether personal (as we've seen) - or for corporate America, was always going to come down on Israel's side.

Very true! - The adage:- "He who pays the piper calls the tune" - springs to mind! MIGA then maybe MAGA? :msn-wink: - (Trump will be there for as long as they want/need him! :wait: )

[Katman]

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-israel-palestinian-peace-deal-century-netanyahu-middle-east-a9309396.html?fbclid=IwAR3Ke--SCnzo6cMkO09xxf6EdNownF7w6L-3n2-KXIS4_vYYUqE6CUmIG0w


I realised a few hours after reading it that, for every anti-Israel Muslim who believes in the fantastical, crazed verbiage of the “Zionist conspiracy”, these 80 pages of White House notepaper would only reinforce those mind-boggling beliefs.

If it's written there in black and white, it's difficult to see how it can be called 'crazed verbiage of the Zionist conspiracy'.

Anyone who thinks that any peace plan proposed by Israel/America will be anything but a plan to advance the Zionist agenda, is delusional.

[pritch]

And on another note...

It seems the Democrats are changing their rules as to who qualifies to get on the debate stage in favour of Bloomberg. He has overtaken Warren in the polls and is now third behind Biden and Sanders. One of the qualifications is the number of individual donations a candidate has received, Bloomberg is funding his own campaign so he has very few, if any, donations.

Another 'old white guy' is not going to motivate the population to turn out to vote en masse. They'll need a contrasting VP candidate: younger and more 'diverse', a Kamala Harris or Julian Castro? The Democrats fucked their selection up in grand style in 2016 and have given no indication they have learned anything since.

Still, the 2020 election kicks off with the Iowa caucuses next week and the result will trump the polls. No pun intended.

[husaberg]

And on another note...

It seems the Democrats are changing their rules as to who qualifies to get on the debate stage in favour of Bloomberg. He has overtaken Warren in the polls and is now third behind Biden and Sanders. One of the qualifications is the number of individual donations a candidate has received, Bloomberg is funding his own campaign so he has very few, if any, donations.

Another 'old white guy' is not going to motivate the population to turn out to vote en masse. They'll need a contrasting VP candidate: younger and more 'diverse', a Kamala Harris or Julian Castro? The Democrats fucked their selection up in grand style in 2016 and have given no indication they have learned anything since.

Still, the 2020 election kicks off with the Iowa caucuses next week and the result will trump the polls. No pun intended.

Tulsi Gabbard
The First female veteran to run for US president.
You cant get more distant from Hillary than her.

[pritch]

Tulsi Gabbard
The First female veteran to run for US president.
You cant get more distant from Hillary than her.

She's a Republican in drag. The suspicion is that if she doesn't get the nomination, and currently she'd seem to have no show,
she'll run as a spoiler independent to aid Trump. If that seems odd, you might consider her many appearances on Fox.

[TheDemonLord]

She's a Republican in drag. The suspicion is that if she doesn't get the nomination, and currently she'd seem to have no show,
she'll run as a spoiler independent to aid Trump. If that seems odd, you might consider her many appearances on Fox.

And that, right there is (in a nutshell) why Trump will get re-elected.

A moderate Democrat is referred to as a Republican in Drag - it is a testament to how far left the Democrats have gone.

[pritch]

The Iowa caucuses, which begin the US election process next week, are... different. In case anyone actually wants to know how they work there is an explanation here:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/podcasts/post-reports/how-do-caucuses-work-anyway/?itid=hp_audio-homepage-low_pr-main-player-low%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

The item explaining the caucuses doesn't take 24 minutes, there's another discussion there as well.

[Bonez]

pritch is sounding more and more like a paid Soros shill the more he posts. The comments about Tulsi seam to comfirm it.

[onearmedbandit]

I couldn't care less about Trump as a person, but I do believe in balance. I hear so much about how Trump is racist or achieved nothing decent while in power. This I feel gives some balance to the rhetoric we so often hear. I'm sure there will be some that dispute the content of this video.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gZw4pNdWXpc" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[pritch]

Trump crows about 'his' economy. This is more realistic, although I do have a question about the proportions of some of the graphs.

[pritch]

Jared has a remarkable record of not disclosing information. If it wasn't for his father in law he would never have received a security clearance. It would seem that once again he forgot to mention something...


https://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-disclosure-form-west-bank-settlements-israel-white-house-729290

[sugilite]

Jared has a remarkable record of not disclosing information. If it wasn't for his father in law he would never have received a security clearance. It would seem that once again he forgot to mention something...


https://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-disclosure-form-west-bank-settlements-israel-white-house-729290

No conflict of interest there at all. :oi-grr:
Clean Up The Swamp 101 - Throw in an extra bunch of turds. :laugh:

[pritch]

Another howler. Trump has congratulated the Kansas City Chiefs on their Super Bowl win, "you represented the Great State of Kansas and, in fact, the entire USA, so very well."

Except that Kansas City is in Missouri. He has now replaced the original tweet with one mentioning the correct state but the original is still out there.

[jasonu]

Another howler. Trump has congratulated the Kansas City Chiefs on their Super Bowl win, "you represented the Great State of Kansas and, in fact, the entire USA, so very well."

Except that Kansas City is in Missouri. He has now replaced the original tweet with one mentioning the correct state but the original is still out there.

Have you even stepped foot outside of New Zealand?

[husaberg]

Jared has a remarkable record of not disclosing information. If it wasn't for his father in law he would never have received a security clearance. It would seem that once again he forgot to mention something...


https://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-disclosure-form-west-bank-settlements-israel-white-house-729290
His security clearance was given despite objections of intelligence officials, The White House chief of staff, and the then-White House counsel, all of whom were reportedly worried about Jared's “foreign and business contacts"
He also forgot to mention he owes over a billion dollars to 20 different lenders and personal guarantees to pay more than $US300 million
Plus he has business ties with George Soros, Peter Thiel, and Goldman Sachs. it must have slipped his mind as he failed to mention this as well.
His company was also miraculously bailed out by Qatar investment firm at the 11th hour with a billion dollar loan that is basically 99 years worth of lease upfront.
they have tried to get money all around the world with no luck.

[Bonez]

If Shift can get a security clearance anyone sould be able to. He's the biggest security risk to the country.

[oldrider]

The absolute crux of the matter:- https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/1224357057094209537?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - :msn-wink:

[TheDemonLord]

I see that all the anti-Trumpers are getting their jabs in before the Impeachment clown show falls flat on it's face.

[sugilite]

If Shift can get a security clearance anyone sould be able to. He's the biggest security risk to the country.
Did Schiff need daddykins to issue him security clearence when the people paid to spot multiple "Conflicts of Interest" declined him :laugh:



I see that all the anti-Trumpers are getting their jabs in before the Impeachment clown show falls flat on it's face.
Yes, an Impeachment trial with no witnesses. Republicans just want to call those for the important stuff like Presidents getting blow jobs from interns :facepalm:

[TheDemonLord]

Yes, an Impeachment trial with no witnesses. Republicans just want to call those for the important stuff like Presidents getting blow jobs from interns :facepalm:

Is that more or less corrupt than the clearly partisan 'process' that was the Impeachment on clearly trumped up charges by the Democrats?

[sugilite]

Is that more or less corrupt than the clearly partisan 'process' that was the Impeachment on clearly trumped up charges by the Democrats?
He Broke the law by doing a quick quid pro, he got caught. No doubt that did not happen. In my opinion the real corruption and the usual bout of obstruction was performed by trump.

[TheDemonLord]

He Broke the law by doing a quick quid pro, he got caught. No doubt that did not happen. In my opinion the real corruption and the usual bout of obstruction was performed by trump.

If that's how you see it, then fair enough.

I personally didn't see anything done that hasn't been done umpteen times before in international diplomacy, the charge that it benefited Trump personally is IMO very weak - if I remember the timelines correctly, this happened before Biden had launched his nomination campaign.

As for the 'Obstruction' - I don't subscribe to the 'If you are innocent, you have nothing to hide' view, in fact as I get older I tend to take more of the view that it is your duty and obligation as a citizen to challenge every and all access to your private affairs by the state, to ensure that they are not overstepping their bounds.

When this is circled back to Trump - I don't have any doubt that any calls for 'release of records' or 'witnesses' are the polar opposite of the self-less acts of virtue, begrudgingly made for the good of the country that they profess to be.

As an aside, I remember when a certain Email Server was mysteriously wiped after it had been subpoenaed, so even if I were to accept your premise - I see this as a Goose and Gander situation.

[Bonez]

If that's how you see it, then fair enough.

I personally didn't see anything done that hasn't been done umpteen times before in international diplomacy, the charge that it benefited Trump personally is IMO very weak - if I remember the timelines correctly, this happened before Biden had launched his nomination campaign.

As for the 'Obstruction' - I don't subscribe to the 'If you are innocent, you have nothing to hide' view, in fact as I get older I tend to take more of the view that it is your duty and obligation as a citizen to challenge every and all access to your private affairs by the state, to ensure that they are not overstepping their bounds.

When this is circled back to Trump - I don't have any doubt that any calls for 'release of records' or 'witnesses' are the polar opposite of the self-less acts of virtue, begrudgingly made for the good of the country that they profess to be.

As an aside, I remember when a certain Email Server was mysteriously wiped after it had been subpoenaed, so even if I were to accept your premise - I see this as a Goose and Gander situation.
Lets not forget the blackberries that were unauthorized for govt. dept. use also subpenoened and destroyed. That and the server are in the public record.

[sugilite]

If that's how you see it, then fair enough.

I personally didn't see anything done that hasn't been done umpteen times before in international diplomacy, the charge that it benefited Trump personally is IMO very weak - if I remember the timelines correctly, this happened before Biden had launched his nomination campaign.

As for the 'Obstruction' - I don't subscribe to the 'If you are innocent, you have nothing to hide' view, in fact as I get older I tend to take more of the view that it is your duty and obligation as a citizen to challenge every and all access to your private affairs by the state, to ensure that they are not overstepping their bounds.

When this is circled back to Trump - I don't have any doubt that any calls for 'release of records' or 'witnesses' are the polar opposite of the self-less acts of virtue, begrudgingly made for the good of the country that they profess to be.

As an aside, I remember when a certain Email Server was mysteriously wiped after it had been subpoenaed, so even if I were to accept your premise - I see this as a Goose and Gander situation.
I'm dealing with what Trump did and now.
I do not disagree with you on the Hillary shinanigans.
For the record, I feel the Hunter Biden thing stinks to all heaven as well. It will absolutely kill Bidens election chances, as the boat anchor of the email saga followed Hillary around too. The Dem bosses will keep their heads firmly in the sand, the dick heads.

I would be perfectly happy to see the Clinton's and Trump ultimately share adjacent jail cells. :yes:

AOC for 2024 - Then the snow flakes will be red colored :innocent:

[pritch]

Fuck! Hillary's emails. You know it's a lost cause when that crops up. The rest of the post is no better, sorry I haven't got the patience.

For the record. There were no missing emails. According to the FBI, what Trump claimed are missing emails is the stuff the fBI had weeded out because it related to family or social matters, they were not State Dept business.

Andrew McCabe, then FBI Director, discusses the emails in his book but I guess that didn't make Fox News.

[Bonez]

.
AOC for 2024 - Then the snow flakes will be red colored :innocent:Lol. too young I'm afraid so shes got a few more years of crying in front of empty car lots.

[husaberg]

Fuck! Hillary's emails. You know it's a lost cause when that crops up. The rest of the post is no better, sorry I haven't got the patience.

For the record. There were no missing emails. According to the FBI what Trump claimed are missing emails is the stuff the fBI had weeded out because it related to family or social matters. Not State dept business.

Andrew McCabe, then FBI Director, discusses that in his book but I guess that didn't make Fox News.

Notice they all refuse to admit that what he did was illegal, thus hes guilty, but prefer to hide behind childish euphemisms that so and so did it......Its hilarious. I are beginning to hope that he gets in for a few more years just to watch it implode.
Not to mention Trumps son in law using a private server for White house business.
Trump went on a mission to discredit a guy and a country to suit his own personal political agenda he illegally withheld funds he had no right to do.

[sugilite]

Lol. too young I'm afraid so shes got a few more years of crying in front of empty car lots.

God dang it - my bait slipped off the hook! :laugh:

[pritch]

Not to mention Trumps son in law using a private server for White house business.
Trump went on a mission to discredit a guy and a country to suit his own personal political agenda he illegally withheld funds he had no right to do.

Jared and Ivanka along with a bunch of other Trump White House appointments couldn't convince the security staff to give them clearances, so Trump appointed a yes man over the top of the staff and the new man cleared all of the previously declined applications. What could possibly go wrong.

Congress controls the money, the Ukraine Aid had been approved and signed off. Trump had no authority to hold up the money, that he did so is a crime. The Republicans and their lawyers don't even deny it, they are just refusing to do anything about it.

None of this is normal, but it is starting to feel like it.

[Bonez]

God dang it - my bait slipped off the hook! :laugh:I dought she will do another term because she has made so much of a big cunt of herself.

[pritch]

The Iowa caucuses always strange, have turned weird. Many results decided by the toss of coin possibly eighteen in all. A member of Mayor Pete's staff has been tweeting out results but the information he's been sending has included PIN numbers for the app they use to count the votes. As if that wouldn't be enough there are other undisclosed problems which have resulted in an announcement that the result will be delayed. Amid all the confusion Mayor Pete declares that the indications are that he won.

And they've had four years to get ready for today...

[Katman]

I are beginning to hope that he gets in for a few more years just to watch it implode.


:killingme

[Bonez]

I thought the 2016 US presidential elections were finished 3 years ago or did I miss something? Move along please, nothing to see here.....

[husaberg]

The Iowa caucuses always strange, have turned weird. Many results decided by the toss of coin possibly eighteen in all. A member of Mayor Pete's staff has been tweeting out results but the information he's been sending has included PIN numbers for the app they use to count the votes. As if that wouldn't be enough there are other undisclosed problems which have resulted in an announcement that the result will be delayed. Amid all the confusion Mayor Pete declares that the indications are that he won.

And they've had four years to get ready for today...
US senate elections are also to be held November 2020
The Democrat party will only need to pick up three or four seats to gain a majority in the Senate.
The Republican party will be defending 23 seats in 2020, while the Democratic Party will be defending 12 seats.
IF the democrats have control congress and senate trump will no longer be able to hide behind his party.
If this happens he loses both his rubber stamp and rubber lifeboat.
Also the US economy is due a dip solely on history the dow is well overdue a revaluation.
https://mining.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Table-1.jpg

Every US prez gets a library it will be interesting to see what books will be in trumps...... hustler

[pritch]

The Idiot in Chief, not content with bringing back asbestos as a building material, has approved greater use of land mines by the US military. A couple of giant leaps backward. All in a days work, fitted in between sessions working on his enemies list no doubt.

[mashman]

Manning and Snowden et al are patriots. Why were they jailed/persecuted for proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that the democrat government were breaking the law? Fuck the server and mail shit, that's still quite clearly open to opinion for some strange reason (democrat arse lickers... it can't be anything else, well, moronic twat springs to mind, but I wouldn't want to offend anyone :tugger:).

People are being fucked over for proving without question that the government are fucking people over people in general... and the best that those who are being fucked over can muster is, "hang the messenger, because he's dirty for pointing it out according to the law". The irony is astonishing.

Morality v's Law. It's a test that people are failing quite spectacularly, and they seem to be enjoying that failure by hanging others for it. Quite quite ironic.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm dealing with what Trump did and now.
I do not disagree with you on the Hillary shinanigans.
For the record, I feel the Hunter Biden thing stinks to all heaven as well. It will absolutely kill Bidens election chances, as the boat anchor of the email saga followed Hillary around too. The Dem bosses will keep their heads firmly in the sand, the dick heads.

I would be perfectly happy to see the Clinton's and Trump ultimately share adjacent jail cells. :yes:

AOC for 2024 - Then the snow flakes will be red colored :innocent:

Probably the most fair and honest reply I've seen in this thread.

Even if I disagree with the assessment of Trump's phone call.

[TheDemonLord]

Manning and Snowden et al are patriots. Why were they jailed/persecuted for proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that the democrat government were breaking the law? Fuck the server and mail shit, that's still quite clearly open to opinion for some strange reason (democrat arse lickers... it can't be anything else, well, moronic twat springs to mind, but I wouldn't want to offend anyone :tugger:).

People are being fucked over for proving without question that the government are fucking people over people in general... and the best that those who are being fucked over can muster is, "hang the messenger, because he's dirty for pointing it out according to the law". The irony is astonishing.

Morality v's Law. It's a test that people are failing quite spectacularly, and they seem to be enjoying that failure by hanging others for it. Quite quite ironic.

Well, it's been quite a while - but on this, I wholeheartedly agree.

[Bonez]

Ts started already https://www.turleytalks.com/videos/democrats-humiliated-in-iowa-caucus-disaster-as-trump-wins-in-a-blowout?utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=82869677&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9LRtxWzXGLSwGk7Dpt2lKQYDnO6liwE3K34gulD30_3sVSpgJ6 V4cM4DcL1IcpdhzO27HNwocbKgQPOjvBEZUF5eXwWQ&_hsmi=82869677

[sugilite]

The Idiot in Chief, not content with bringing back asbestos as a building material, has approved greater use of land mines by the US military. A couple of giant leaps backward. All in a days work, fitted in between sessions working on his enemies list no doubt.
He is a multi tasker, so it will be with a few rounds of golf thrown in too...

[pritch]

He is a multi tasker, so it will be with a few rounds of golf thrown in too...

Not sure if his golf shouldn't be described as laps rather than rounds, he doesn't walk anywhere not even to the green - he parks on it. Figures released recently showed he has charged the long suffering Yank taxpayers something like three quarters of a million just for golf cart hire since his inauguration.

[jasonu]

Not sure if his golf shouldn't be described as laps rather than rounds, he doesn't walk anywhere not even to the green - he parks on it. Figures released recently showed he has charged the long suffering Yank taxpayers something like three quarters of a million just for golf cart hire since his inauguration.

Is there anything else you want to point out?

[Grumph]

Is there anything else you want to point out?

Yeah. If he follows form, he'll be doing something impeachable in the next couple of days.

Remember it was the day after he thought he was in the clear from the Mueller investigation he started pressuring Ukraine.

I still think he's likely to be the first President to be impeached twice. Should have been impeached on the Mueller enquiry results alone.

[ellipsis]

...I'd like him to nuke Sweden, if she is at home...

[husaberg]

Is there anything else you want to point out?

Trump critised Obama when he was president for playing too much golf
344537

Trump went after Obama's golf habits repeatedly on Twitter and on the campaign trail.
"I mean he's played more golf than most people on the PGA Tour, this guy," Trump said during a 2016 campaign stop in New Hampshire.
Just a day later, he wrote: "We pay for Obama's travel so he can fundraise millions so Democrats can run on lies. Then we pay for his golf."
Oddly now, Trump still plays for golf than the retired Obama does.



But since taking office, Trump has been a regular visitor at his own golf clubs in Florida and Virginia. In his first year as president, Trump outpaced Obama in the amount of time he spent on the green, our Trump Golf Tracker shows.
We decided to track Trump’s golf course visits because he so routinely criticized his predecessor for the practice.
The numbers suggest something of a flip-flop for Trump: As of May 18, 2018, the score of confirmed golf outings is Trump 56, Obama 37.

Obama’s first game as president was April 26, 2009. He went on to play 333 times total over his eight years
Since taking office on Jan. 20, 2017, Mr. Trump has been on the grounds of his golf courses or played golf elsewhere 261 times since becoming President, and that's as of Feb. 2, 2020.
He previously was on pace to visit his golf clubs more than 650 times in an eight-year presidency. However, his pace as of Aug. 6, 2018 now indicates Trump would spend as much as 745 days of his presidency at a golf course if he wins a second term and serves both terms to completion.Trump has spent nearly 22 percent of his days in office at one of his golf properties for some portion of the day. There have been days where Trump has visited one of his golf clubs and not played golf.


TRUMP'S GOLFING HAS COST TAXPAYERS $102 MILLION, JUST $12.7 MILLION BEHIND OBAMA'S TRAVEL DURING ENTIRE PRESIDENCY: REPORT
HuffPost said it "took a conservative approach to determining costs" of Trump's travel. It calculated Air Force One operating costs at $15,994 per-hour—the price of fuel and maintenance—although Pentagon documents received by Judicial Watch showed that each flight-hour cost $180,118 in fiscal year 2016 and $206,337 in fiscal year 2015.

[pritch]

...I'd like him to nuke Sweden, if she is at home...

In a battle of wits between a seventeen year old and Trump, he has no show. She has him beat every time so far.

[Bonez]

IMPEACHMENT- NOT GUILTY!! HA HA Snowflakes!!

[Bonez]

What is your next bitch session going to be about now?

[Bonez]

For those still indenial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdvdKhKAJs4

[husaberg]

In a battle of wits between a seventeen year old and Trump, he has no show. She has him beat every time so far.

That's epic............
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=344546&d=1580939929

Not the first time sheets got him either
https://pics.me.me/greta-thunberg-changed-her-twitter-bio-after-trump-mocked-her-66668655.png

trump the US president an habitual twitter tweeter has less twitter followers than Obama despitr tweeting 3 times as often.
344551344552
Gretas numbers have nearly doubled every month on this platform she is set to surpass trump in about 6 months.
she did this without a small loan of a 200 million dollars

[Bonez]

Obviously a typical Democrate. Funny as fuck.

[Bonez]

I'm off for a ride. Enjoy the rest of your day basement dwellers.......

[pritch]

There's a CBS News clip on Twitter which I'd love to post here but can't be bothered as it'd take work and I should be firing up the weed whacker.

A reporter asks Mike Bloomberg if he thinks the public really want to watch an election race between two billionaires.
Bloomberg looks puzzled then asks, "Who is the second billionaire?"

[pritch]

Not the first time she's got him either
https://pics.me.me/greta-thunberg-changed-her-twitter-bio-after-trump-mocked-her-66668655.png

There's worse to come for the Idiot in Chief. She has now been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Of course Trump has been nominated twice, although both nominations were determined to be fraudulent. Still, to be fair, nobody ever accused Trump of being quick on the uptake.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/world/europe/nobel-peace-prize-trump-fake-nomination.html

[husaberg]

There's worse to come for the Idiot in Chief. She has now been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Of course Trump has been nominated twice, although both nominations were determined to be fraudulent. Still, to be fair, nobody ever accused Trump of being quick on the uptake.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/28/world/europe/nobel-peace-prize-trump-fake-nomination.html

Pretty sure its gretas second nomination.
she doesnt have to make up her time covers like trump either.
https://peopledotcom.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/greta-thunberg-1.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/tweet_video_thumb/DDWMaU8XUAAlznz.jpg

[oldrider]

NOT GUILTY: President Donald J. Trump ACQUITTED On Both Charges - :msn-wink:


<iframe width="1174" height="660" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/gCo6vVFvsqw" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[ellipsis]

she did this without a small loan of a 200 million dollars


...really, are you that naive...

[jasonu]

In a battle of wits between a seventeen year old and Trump, he has no show. She has him beat every time so far.


That's epic............
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=344546&d=1580939929

Not the first time sheets got him either
https://pics.me.me/greta-thunberg-changed-her-twitter-bio-after-trump-mocked-her-66668655.png

trump the US president an habitual twitter tweeter has less twitter followers than Obama despitr tweeting 3 times as often.
344551344552
Gretas numbers have nearly doubled every month on this platform she is set to surpass trump in about 6 months.
she did this without a small loan of a 200 million dollars

You two cunts are pathetic.

[Katman]

...really, are you that naive...

You're far too polite.

[Bonez]

Just a reminder that Trump was found NO GUITY! of both Demonrat impeachment accusations.

[Grumph]

Just a reminder that Trump was found NO GUITY! of both Demonrat impeachment accusations.

An even more moronic post than the usual trumpist crap. If you're going to post pissed, learn where the spell-check is.

Now that the Republicans have said effectively that abuse of power isn't inpeachable, watch him go....
He's already robbed the military budget for more to build his wall - in order to show progress pre-election. Wonder how that's going to go down in the military ?
Now I see that having already failed to gut the clean energy initiative - the courts stopped that - he's simply withholding the money.

The US is fucked.

[Bonez]

It must irk you a lot he wasn't found guilty ah? You poor dear. I suggest you see a doctor to get your stage 5 TDS sorted out.

[pritch]

?
Now I see that having already failed to gut the clean energy initiative - the courts stopped that - he's simply withholding the money.


I read this morning that Ukraine has placed orders for millions of dollars worth of military hardware from the US but the deliveries are held up and nobody, as yet, can find out why. I can help with that; Putin's man in the White House is just obeying orders.

[sugilite]

An even more moronic post than the usual trumpist crap. If you're going to post pissed, learn where the spell-check is.

Now that the Republicans have said effectively that abuse of power isn't inpeachable, watch him go....
He's already robbed the military budget for more to build his wall - in order to show progress pre-election. Wonder how that's going to go down in the military ?
Now I see that having already failed to gut the clean energy initiative - the courts stopped that - he's simply withholding the money.

The US is fucked.
Naturally you are right.
Bonez just makes his posts because he likes to imagine most posting in this thread are democratic snowflakes and that they are all using cleanex to soak up their tears.
He does not give the slightest shit about whether anything Trump does is legal or otherwise, just that somewhere in the World a leftie snowflake is melting :rolleyes:

[oldrider]

Our crooks are better than their crooks! - seems reasonable for left/right wing political believers! - :msn-wink:

[Bonez]

Our crooks are better than their crooks! - seems reasonable for left/right wing political believers! - :msn-wink:Lol. WIN WIN WIN! IS THE NAME OF THE GAME :)

[pritch]

just that somewhere in the World a leftie snowflake is melting :rolleyes:

Twitter is full of outrage at Nancy tearing up the Idiot in Chief's SOTU speech. It's not the liberals who are snowflakes, it's the MAGAts, that's just so much more projection.

Matt Gaetz is even trying for a prosecution of Nancy for the crime of destroying an official document. A similar law exists in this country. If you look at the law as it's written he might have a point, but it normally relates to a document that doesn't exist anywhere else. There were copies of Trumps speech all over the place and it had just been on television for those with strong enough stomachs, her copy was surplus to requirements. Mind you, the way Moscow Mitch has been stacking the courts with shonky judges...

[Grumph]

It must irk you a lot he wasn't found guilty ah? You poor dear. I suggest you see a doctor to get your stage 5 TDS sorted out.

I was well aware he was not going to be found guilty. The only question was - how were the Republicans going to handle it ?

The answer is - poorly. No witnesses or testimony. No defence of the acts themselves. Only criticism of the process - which was laid down by the GOP when they impeached Clinton and was followed to the letter by the House managers. This Senate has staged the US first show trial - and they weren't very good at it.

My grasp of reality is I suggest better rooted in fact than yours. I've yet to see you or any of the trumpists on here come up with any sort of rational defence for his acts.

I do sometimes wonder what you and those like you in NZ would do if we saw the rise of a trump-like politician here. Nearest might be Brian Tamaki - would you support him ?

[husaberg]

Kenneth Starr, who as independent counsel was the tip of the spear in the impeachment of US president Bill Clinton, stood before the Senate on Monday and complained that impeachment has become over-used and weaponised.
As death-of-irony moments go, it would have been like Charlton Heston arguing against guns, Margaret Thatcher denouncing privatisation or Kim Kardashian suggesting fame is overrated.

In 1998, at Starr’s behest, Lewinsky was confronted in a hotel room by male officers and threatened with 27 years in prison unless she wore a wire and sealed the case against Clinton. That same year, when he decided to testify before the House judiciary committee, Starr’s ethics adviser Samuel Dash resigned and rebuked Starr: “You have violated your obligations under the independent counsel statute and have unlawfully intruded on the power of impeachment, which the constitution gives solely to the House.”

Senate Republicans made it pretty clear throughout this process that they were basically indifferent to the underlying question of what Trump did.

They listened with equanimity to Alan Dershowitz argue that there’s no such thing as abuse of power unless it violates specific statutes. But then they also didn’t care about a Government Accountability Office finding that holding up duly appropriated aid to Ukraine was illegal. They decided they didn’t want to hear from John Bolton, Mick Mulvaney, or anyone else with relevant information.

Most All those Rep senetors are standing in November

[pritch]

Pardon my mirth.

[husaberg]

https://tribunecontentagency.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/rss.tribunecontentagency.com20200206edshe-b-1024x664.tifampp-c8e9cd43ad4e2ac9f1a0a51d8df8258d1092906c
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/c8CkbvFgtLalufhNmyAh3klSPzM=/0x0:600x442/1200x0/filters:focal(0x0:600x442):no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/18076040/web_59fde3173515e.jpg

[oldrider]

Pardon my mirth.

Really? - It's all a big game of tossing a double sided coin? - Heads they win - Tails we lose - "We" being the electorate - "They" being the various financial backers?

Choose your candidate? - Our crooks are better than their crooks? - The common denominator is no matter who is POTUS? - One branch of communism always wins? :msn-wink:

Orchestrated and going to plan? :niceone: - Absolutely! - So far it looks like Trump for (at least) another term? - :wait:

[pritch]

Really?

Yeah. I thought the cartoon was simple and to the point. I didn't see any zionists, communists, any other ists, or even the illuminati.
It was a simple joke, but like the best jokes, there was a grain of truth in it.

[oldrider]

Yeah. I thought the cartoon was simple and to the point. I didn't see any zionists, communists, any other ists, or even the illuminati.
It was a simple joke, but like the best jokes, there was a grain of truth in it.

Yeah you got it right - simple and to the point - I see three of the same they all bring about the same end result - look a little deeper it's all there! :shifty:

[jasonu]

Yeah. I thought the cartoon was simple and to the point. I didn't see any zionists, communists, any other ists, or even the illuminati.
It was a simple joke, but like the best jokes, there was a grain of truth in it.

The only thing that is simple around here is you


and berk

[TheDemonLord]

How are all those sour grapes tasting?

[Bonez]

No oners more simple than pritch in this thread........

[Bonez]

Media meltdia https://www.turleytalks.com/videos/media-losers-have-hysterical-meltdown-after-trumps-acquittal-video-montage-included?utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=83063804&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8cxdMiMUbAoHtc2X_Awdm8eC4N4ZrC-hboPLrff_pfLCk7LL89M2Qcp5bW9NzHzndlqeyNZCpoIC_LNgX--TA3NWl1Pg&_hsmi=83063804

[Grumph]

Sondland and both Vindman brothers sacked - for telling the truth. Very Stalinesque...

Under US law I don't think he can touch the original whistleblower - but I bet he tries.

Now there's no control on him, watch the fucker go....

[Bonez]

The imaginary whisle blower Shift dreamed up? It's just a rerun of his "he has overwelming evidence" episode for 2.5 years. THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!!

[Bonez]

Anyone with a brain cell could tell the whisle blower thing was complete bull shit.

[oldrider]

Israel Just Admitted Arming anti-Assad Syrian Rebels. - https://twitter.com/gailymalone/status/1225904612156162048?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - Really? - Why would they do that? :scratch: - :rolleyes:

[Bonez]

Israil has been bombing Syrian military facilities as well. Claiming they were Iranian assets.

All we need now is more proof the Obumma regime backed ISIS.

[sugilite]

The imaginary whisle blower Shift dreamed up? It's just a rerun of his "he has overwelming evidence" episode for 2.5 years. THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!!
So apology notes going out to the poor sap the schitzo right wing nuts named as "The Whistle Blower"? No?
Hahaha, freaking hilarious.

[Bonez]

So apology notes going out to the poor sap the schitzo right wing nuts named as "The Whistle Blower"? No?
Hahaha, freaking hilarious.They are just playing the game. Letting Shifthead think he has the upper hanp. EPIC FAIL!!!!

[sugilite]

They are just playing the game. Letting Shifthead think he has the upper hanp. EPIC FAIL!!!!
Man, that is really very, very weak.


Israil has been bombing Syrian military facilities as well. Claiming they were Iranian assets.

All we need now is more proof the Obumma regime backed ISIS.


Anyone with a brain cell could tell the whisle blower thing was complete bull shit.

Has arestinger really left the room?

[Bonez]

Man, that is really very, very weak.





Has arestinger really left the room?
It's as credible as anything you snowflskes have come up with in this thread so far..

[sugilite]

It's as credible as anything you snowflskes have come up with in this thread so far..
Again, real weak. Call them a name wah wah wah.

[Bonez]

Again, real weak. Call them a name wah wah wah.I bet you were slobbering at the mouth when Shift anoused this mythical whistle blower.

[sugilite]

I bet you were slobbering at the mouth when Shift anoused this mythical whistle blower.
No Bonez, may be if I were a left wing snowflake in the same way you are a right wing snowflake I would of "slobbered". I knew the moment they announced it the Republican held senate would squash it flat.
Just to tune you in. I'm a never Trumper through and through. I would be happy to have just about any other Republican do the job.
I wish the best for the American people and hope they get it, but with that lying doofus running and a massive bunch of uninspiring democrats - the American people have to once again make the best of a very poor selection.
If I had my conscious disconnected, I would laugh my arse off to see Trump get reelected and for the Republicans to lose the Senate, in the same fashion they lost the house in the mid terms. Then the snowflakes really would be red, eh Bonez.

[Katman]

I would laugh my arse off to see Trump get reelected

You've gone full husaberk.

[Bonez]

You've gone full husaberk.Indeed he has. Pity su appeared to be a pretty rational chap in person. Maybe he needs to go riding more often.

[sugilite]

You've gone full husaberk.
"If I had my conscious disconnected,"
Selective Quote


Inded he has. Pity su appeared to be a pretty rational chap in person. Maybe he needs to go riding more often.
Still are - feel the same way about you. However, have you read some of your posts? lol. I have the deepest respect for your riding skills, learned all sorts of things following you btw.

[oldrider]

It's Time To Ask Again What Really Happened To Ukraine's Missing Gold? :psst: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/its-time-ask-again-what-really-happened-ukraines-missing-gold - :wait:


This chart was particularly interesting:- https://www.zerohedge.com/s3/files/inline-images/2020-02-08_0.png?itok=w-uM86mi - :msn-wink:

[Berries]

I have the deepest respect for your riding skills, learned all sorts of things following you btw.
Get a room.

[mashman]

The New Way Forward Act. (https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1225610404325478400) Oh my oh my he is a little upset at the thought of what some Dems want. Some, Dems. For context, it is worth a watch given that he claims that the borders will be gone and racists and child molesters will be deported and then allowed back in again. Seriously, he says it himself and he seems relatively concerned at the thought.

Declaration of Principles for the International Religious Freedom Alliance (https://www.state.gov/declaration-of-principles-for-the-international-religious-freedom-alliance/) The thing that concerns me is that this response from the other side, that I doubt Mr Tucker would go anywhere near as postal over, really doesn't look that different. Consider that using the same logic, these principles would see the Breivik's of the world allowed to send to jail those who try to stop the Breivik's whilst the Breivik's walk around freely... because any authority that tries to persecute them for their belief/religion will be breaking the law :killingme......

[Bonez]

Get a room.Whatsthe matter sweety? Jelly baby.

[pritch]

Israel Just Admitted Arming anti-Assad Syrian Rebels. -

The Americans were arming anti-Assad rebels. They wanted "regime change" because regime change had worked so well in Libya and Iraq...

The Yanks are over the regime change thing for now though because Putin doesn't want regime change, and under Trump what Putin wants Putin gets.

[Bonez]

The Americans were arming anti-Assad rebels. They wanted "regime change" because regime change had worked so well in Libya and Iraq...

The Yanks are over the regime change thing for now though because Putin doesn't want regime change, and under Trump what Putin wants Putin gets.Another idiotic conclution from the 1 + ! = RUSSIA!! Bozo.

[Bonez]

. I have the deepest respect for your riding skills, learned all sorts of things following you btw.I'm flattered. Yes used to enjoy those group runs. Heaps of fun and good company. You can do a lot with a cheap and careful GB400 or crappy ol CX500s on back country roads. Do you still have the green meany?

[oldrider]

The Americans were arming anti-Assad rebels. They wanted "regime change" because regime change had worked so well in Libya and Iraq...

The Yanks are over the regime change thing for now though because Putin doesn't want regime change, and under Trump what Putin wants Putin gets.

Don't you mean What Netanyahu wants Netanyahu gets? - Although Putin is also well into the mix, the orchestration is now so obvious compared to pre-internet days. :whistle:

Take a look at this fiasco frinstance:- https://twitter.com/CalebJHull/status/1226573306012160000?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F

[pritch]

Don't you mean What Netanyahu wants Netanyahu gets? -

No. Trump uses his son in law to communicate with Israel. Trump takes his orders direct from Putin.

[Viking01]

No. Trump uses his son in law to communicate with Israel. Trump takes his orders direct from Putin.

If the latter statement were true, precisely what "orders" do you think Putin has been giving to Don ?

I mean, I could imagine something along the lines :

Syria : Withdraw US troops, release the oil fields and stop supporting terrorist factions with weapons.
Iraq : Honour the Iraqi government request and withdraw US troops.

Venezuela : Stop the financial sanctions as well as restrictions upon medical aid.
Bolivia : Stop facilitating coups to overthrow an elected government.

Russia : Stop the US for withdrawing from major weapons treaties.
Stop directing NATO to position missile systems in neighbouring countries.
Stop financial sanctions and resume normal trading relations.

But No. Don doesn't seem to take any of those actions.

In fact, it's been the complete opposite. He seems to be ignoring Putin completely.

It's almost like he's taking orders from another party (or parties).

[Katman]

But No. Don doesn't seem to take any of those actions.

In fact, it's been the complete opposite. He seems to be ignoring Putin completely.

It's almost like he's taking orders from another party (or parties).

But, but, but, MSNBC said.........

[Bonez]

And the hits just keep on coming....
No. Trump uses his son in law to communicate with Israel. Trump takes his orders direct from Putin.

[jasonu]

No. Trump uses his son in law to communicate with Israel. Trump takes his orders direct from Putin.

You sure know heaps. Are you with the CIA, the KGB or both?

[husaberg]

If the latter statement were true, precisely what "orders" do you think Putin has been giving to Don ?

I mean, I could imagine something along the lines :
But No. Don doesn't seem to take any of those actions.



U]Syria [/U]: Withdraw US troops,
Only he did


Stop financial sanctions and resume normal trading relations.
This benefits Russia as they get to supply the goods




In fact, it's been the complete opposite. He seems to be ignoring Putin completely.


Ignoring Putin really? he says he says believes Putin beyond his own advisers FBi and government

US President Donald Trump has defended Russia over claims of interference in the 2016 presidential election.
After face-to-face talks with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Mr Trump contradicted US intelligence agencies and said there had been no reason for Russia to meddle in the vote.
Mr Putin reiterated that Russia had never interfered in US affairs
"President Putin says it's not Russia. I don't see any reason why it would be," he replied.
US House Speaker Paul Ryan said Mr Trump "must appreciate that Russia is not our ally".

"There is no moral equivalence between the United States and Russia, which remains hostile to our most basic values and ideals," he said, adding that there was "no question" Moscow had interfered in the 2016 election.

He also claimed that putin told him it was the Urkraine that interfered in the election FFS.

Trump also lifted sanctions on firms linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska an alley of Putin.
Deripaska also has ties with Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47023004

[pritch]

If the latter statement were true, precisely what "orders" do you think Putin has been giving to Don ?



The bullshit Trump has been pushing about Ukraine interfering in the US elections comes direct from the Kremlin. Possibly to deflect from their ongoing efforts to disrupt the 2020 US election.

Trump started talking about the people of Montenegro being tough, aggressive people, State Dept staff just shook their heads thinking WTF, where did that come from? It later turned out that this was the official Kremlin view.

He has had meetings with Putin with minimal or no staff in attendance, and he has private phone calls with Putin. Of course they could be talking golf? :rolleyes: Trump has done very little that would displease Putin.

Trump told Putin (or asked permission?) that he was going to off the Iranian General before he told the US Congress.

There's a reason Trump won't release his financial information, one explanation is that the Russian oligarchs own him. Past statements by his sons tend to support that theory.

But hey, you believe whatever you like.

[austingtir]

^^ LMAO pritch is still going on about the ruskies under his bed...... :violin:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1225979868221001733



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMQTXz5kATE

[Bonez]

^^ LMAO pritch is still going on about the ruskies under his bed...... :violin:Yeah going on 3years now.

[husaberg]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQOP74gWoAI_tF5?format=jpg&name=smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQOibCdXsAESXtS?format=jpg&name=smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQQHSv1XUAAbpSE?format=jpg&name=small

[jasonu]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQOP74gWoAI_tF5?format=jpg&name=smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQOibCdXsAESXtS?format=jpg&name=smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQQHSv1XUAAbpSE?format=jpg&name=small

Is that all you've got?
You're as desperate as the Dem party.

[Bonez]

The walls are closing in, the walls are closing in, impeach. EPIC FAIL!!!

Oh and let us not forget THE RUSSIANS ARE COMING!!

[Viking01]

Only he did

This benefits Russia as they get to supply the goods

Ignoring Putin really? he says he says believes Putin beyond his own advisers FBi and government

He also claimed that putin told him it was the Urkraine that interfered in the election FFS.

Trump also lifted sanctions on firms linked to Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska an alley of Putin.
Deripaska also has ties with Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign manager.
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47023004

Just to reply to your points: Re Post #8197 above

1. Withdrawal of US Troops from Syria

Strangely enough, I recall Don having earlier made a campaign pledge to withdraw a portion of US troops "and bring them home".

But Yes, you're factually correct. He did withdraw a small number of US troops from eastern Syria (across the border into northern Iraq), only to then change his mind a month later and reinstate them into Syria. I quote:

"The Trump administration ordered all U.S. forces to withdraw from Kurdish-administered northern Syria in early October ahead of a [planned] Turkish incursion into the region, a controversial move widely seen as a reneging of the U.S.'s alliance with the Syrian Kurds in favour of NATO ally Turkey.

However, the decision was partially reversed by November 2019 as U.S. troops repositioned to eastern Syria, reinforcing their presence in al-Hasakah and Deir ez-Zor provinces with the subordinate mission of securing SDF-controlled oil and gas infrastructure from the ISIL insurgency and the Syrian government.

On 23 November 2019, the head of U.S. Central Command stated there was no "end date" on the U.S. intervention in Syria."

Also covered in the following link:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/11/12/trumps-syrian-see-saw-from-pullout-to-pillage/

2. Stop Financial Sanctions and Resume a Normal Trading Relationship

"This benefits Russia as they get to supply the goods".

Are you trying to tell me that there is no benefit to the US at the same time ?

Because, even in these times of US sanctions on Russia, there is still US demand for Russian supplied items like minerals, metals and rocket engines.

https://sputniknews.com/business/201908291076646070-pure-facade-how-us-continues-buying-made-in-russia-goods-despite-sanctions/

https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Russia_to_supply_US_with_six_RD_180_rocket_engines _this_year_999.html

And if you want to find out the largest country-level investor in Russia (despite current western sanctions), just go to the section "Western Countries are the Big Winners" within the following link.

https://www.intellinews.com/which-country-is-the-biggest-fdi-investor-into-russia-it-s-cyprus-not-165554/

3. Ignoring Putin Completely

Yes, I should have said "ignoring Putin's orders completely" for sake of clarity. But I assumed readers would understand that, since that was the topic of the post.

Why Don should believe Putin more than his own intelligence advisors is obviously interesting. It's probably due to those old KGB mind games that Putin is said to practice.

4. Ukraine Interference in the US Election

I believe Putin stated in an interview he believed it was Ukrainian oligarchs (who may have donated money to the Trump opposition):

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-21/putin-comes-clean-2016-meddling-perfectly-clear-ukrainian-oligarchs-gave-money

A small distinction, but it highlights the difference between the (actions of a) government of a country and those of its countrymen.

Perhaps important to make the same distinction for Russia as well. Accusing Putin for all the actions of its oligarchs (especially since the Russian oligarchs were active through the 1990's - during the financial pillage of the Russian economy - and Putin did not come into power until year 2000).

5. Oleg Deripaska

Your BBC article may describe Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska as "a Putin ally", but not necessarily correct:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-the-u-s-regime-hates-vladimir-putin/5638288

Oleg Deripaska's RUSAL aluminium company was (is) involved with aluminium supply to the US. Don imposed sanctions on RUSAL, only to be forced to reverse his decision barely two weeks later (because of the adverse effect of those sanctions on the operation of key US businesses):

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-sanctions-rusal-insight/how-rusal-escaped-the-noose-of-u-s-sanctions-idUSKCN1IG3G6

Deripaska's relinquishing majority control of the three metals companies may well have been contributory.

6. Paul Manafort

If we just go by the details in the following Wikipedia, there's more than enough evidence of the actual criminal charges for which he was convicted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_Paul_Manafort

Personally, I'm not interested in Manafort or any of the other political advisors and lobbyists who were involved in the US 2016 election. You can discuss and debate them all you wish. Don't wait for me.

But I doubt that we have heard the last of the story about Manafort's alleged Ukrainian involvement:

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/ukraine-elections-2016/

https://alethonews.com/2020/02/08/manafort-ledger-evidence-central-to-trump-russia-collusion-claims-discredited-as-total-fabrication/

And as for one reason why Manafort and Deripaska were in contact: Manafort owed him money ($10 million).

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201901101071381741-NYT-Buries-Glaring-Mistakes-Manaforts-Ties/

[oldrider]

Checkmate! - :first: - (waste of time though he wont even read it)

[sugilite]

I'm flattered. Yes used to enjoy those group runs. Heaps of fun and good company. You can do a lot with a cheap and careful GB400 or crappy ol CX500s on back country roads. Do you still have the green meany?
Yeah I miss those group rides, they were a lot of fun. Yes, I have actually got 2 green meanies - both 89 750s. 1 road, and 1 race, but that one is in bits. It will rise again one day :yes:

[husaberg]

Just to reply to your points: Re Post #8197 above

1. Withdrawal of US Troops from Syria

Strangely enough, I recall Don having earlier made a campaign pledge to withdraw a portion of US troops "and bring them home".

But Yes, you're factually correct. He did withdraw a small number of US troops from eastern Syria (across the border into northern Iraq), only to then change his mind a month later and reinstate them into Syria. I quote:

"The Trump administration ordered all U.S. forces to withdraw from Kurdish-administered northern Syria in early October ahead of a [planned] Turkish incursion into the region, a controversial move widely seen as a reneging of the U.S.'s alliance with the Syrian Kurds in favour of NATO ally Turkey.

However, the decision was partially reversed by November 2019 as U.S. troops repositioned to eastern Syria, reinforcing their presence in al-Hasakah and Deir ez-Zor provinces with the subordinate mission of securing SDF-controlled oil and gas infrastructure from the ISIL insurgency and the Syrian government.

On 23 November 2019, the head of U.S. Central Command stated there was no "end date" on the U.S. intervention in Syria."

Also covered in the following link:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/11/12/trumps-syrian-see-saw-from-pullout-to-pillage/

2. Stop Financial Sanctions and Resume a Normal Trading Relationship

"This benefits Russia as they get to supply the goods".

Are you trying to tell me that there is no benefit to the US at the same time ?

Because, even in these times of US sanctions on Russia, there is still US demand for Russian supplied items like minerals, metals and rocket engines.

https://sputniknews.com/business/201908291076646070-pure-facade-how-us-continues-buying-made-in-russia-goods-despite-sanctions/

https://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Russia_to_supply_US_with_six_RD_180_rocket_engines _this_year_999.html

And if you want to find out the largest country-level investor in Russia (despite current western sanctions), just go to the section "Western Countries are the Big Winners" within the following link.

https://www.intellinews.com/which-country-is-the-biggest-fdi-investor-into-russia-it-s-cyprus-not-165554/

3. Ignoring Putin Completely

Yes, I should have said "ignoring Putin's orders completely" for sake of clarity. But I assumed readers would understand that, since that was the topic of the post.

Why Don should believe Putin more than his own intelligence advisors is obviously interesting. It's probably due to those old KGB mind games that Putin is said to practice.

4. Ukraine Interference in the US Election

I believe Putin stated in an interview he believed it was Ukrainian oligarchs (who may have donated money to the Trump opposition):

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-07-21/putin-comes-clean-2016-meddling-perfectly-clear-ukrainian-oligarchs-gave-money

A small distinction, but it highlights the difference between the (actions of a) government of a country and those of its countrymen.

Perhaps important to make the same distinction for Russia as well. Accusing Putin for all the actions of its oligarchs (especially since the Russian oligarchs were active through the 1990's - during the financial pillage of the Russian economy - and Putin did not come into power until year 2000).

5. Oleg Deripaska

Your BBC article may describe Russian oligarch Oleg Deripaska as "a Putin ally", but not necessarily correct:

https://www.globalresearch.ca/why-the-u-s-regime-hates-vladimir-putin/5638288

Oleg Deripaska's RUSAL aluminium company was (is) involved with aluminium supply to the US. Don imposed sanctions on RUSAL, only to be forced to reverse his decision barely two weeks later (because of the adverse effect of those sanctions on the operation of key US businesses):

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-sanctions-rusal-insight/how-rusal-escaped-the-noose-of-u-s-sanctions-idUSKCN1IG3G6

Deripaska's relinquishing majority control of the three metals companies may well have been contributory.

6. Paul Manafort

If we just go by the details in the following Wikipedia, there's more than enough evidence of the actual criminal charges for which he was convicted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_of_Paul_Manafort

Personally, I'm not interested in Manafort or any of the other political advisors and lobbyists who were involved in the US 2016 election. You can discuss and debate them all you wish. Don't wait for me.

But I doubt that we have heard the last of the story about Manafort's alleged Ukrainian involvement:

https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/ukraine-elections-2016/

https://alethonews.com/2020/02/08/manafort-ledger-evidence-central-to-trump-russia-collusion-claims-discredited-as-total-fabrication/

And as for one reason why Manafort and Deripaska were in contact: Manafort owed him money ($10 million).

https://sputniknews.com/analysis/201901101071381741-NYT-Buries-Glaring-Mistakes-Manaforts-Ties/

Oh if sputnik said so...............
most of what you wrote other than what is a regurgitation of what i pointed out in the first place is your opinion based on what you read in a Russian news site or regurgitated off one.
Back up what you say with facts or stop trying to change your opinion into real events.

[Bonez]

Yeah I miss those group rides, they were a lot of fun. Yes, I have actually got 2 green meanies - both 89 750s. 1 road, and 1 race, but that one is in bits. It will rise again one day :yes:That's good to hear. This XF650 I got is a barrel of fun. Ideal for the roads out your way.

[sugilite]

That's good to hear. This XF650 I got is a barrel of fun. Ideal for the roads out your way.
Sounds awesome - there is a road out this way-ish, not many would know about. Let me know if you out these parts, see what can be organized. Stunning Road, Dramatic scenery and a surprisingly large expanse of what looks like original native forests. Sweet road man. 10km of dirt road involved, bonus is it is billiard smooth the last time I did it. Hang out the rear on the Xf?

[Bonez]

Sounds awesome - there is a road out this way-ish, not many would know about. Let me know if you out these parts, see what can be organized. Stunning Road, Dramatic scenery and a surprisingly large expanse of what looks like original native forests. Sweet road man. 10km of dirt road involved, bonus is it is billiard smooth the last time I did it. Hang out the rear on the Xf?I think I may have done a bit of it some years back but I didn't have a map and the CX was getting low on gas so turned back. Certenly bango country alright.

[pritch]

Overnight our time Trump tweeted this clip. The language might have upset some of his "Christian patriot" followers. Funny thing is, it's a clip from a series demonstrating how a MAGA hat is a "people repellent". I suspect the stable genius didn't watch the whole show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_ydEjUGuI4

[austingtir]

Overnight our time Trump tweeted this clip. The language might have upset some of his "Christian patriot" followers. Funny thing is, it's a clip from a series demonstrating how a MAGA hat is a "people repellent". I suspect the stable genius didn't watch the whole show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_ydEjUGuI4



If its a repellent why didnt it work on this mexican who's pretending to be native american assaulting Trump supporters and then wondering why he got punched in the face?


https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhw1262iHbYLIN0EW6

[oldrider]

If its a repellent why didnt it work on this mexican who's pretending to be native american assaulting Trump supporters and then wondering why he got punched in the face?


https://worldstarhiphop.com/videos/video.php?v=wshhw1262iHbYLIN0EW6

That's just a - :girlfight: - pathetic.

[austingtir]

That's just a - :girlfight: - pathetic.

Yep bubblewrap for hands.

[Bonez]

Overnight our time Trump tweeted this clip. The language might have upset some of his "Christian patriot" followers. Funny thing is, it's a clip from a series demonstrating how a MAGA hat is a "people repellent". I suspect the stable genius didn't watch the whole show.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_ydEjUGuI4Speaking of genius's you don't qualify you nut.

[austingtir]

Old creepy Joe's family has an island near Epsteins little st james........ Who could of predicted this.....:rolleyes:

So now we know where Creepy joe and co were likely laundering their Ukranian and Chinese money......



https://youtu.be/PXuVuJ5lS1M

[Bonez]

Hmmm didn't Killeries aids destroy subpoenaed Blackberries?

[austingtir]

Hmmm didn't Killeries aids destroy subpoenaed Blackberries?


Also note his speculation on Pete butt edge...... People are beginning to make the obvious connection back to petes probable time in libya probably working for hillary and co.... which is why hilldog was trying to rig the primary for him the other week.

And then there's misfud who kicked off the whole Muh Russia narrative for hilldog.....

Seems to be saying Butt edge is somehow related via marriage to misfud... perhaps via the woman misfud married from Ukraine of all places.....

[jasonu]

Also note his speculation on Pete butt edge...... People are beginning to make the obvious connection back to petes probable time in libya probably working for hillary and co.... which is why hilldog was trying to rig the primary for him the other week.

And then there's misfud who kicked off the whole Muh Russia narrative for hilldog.....

Seems to be saying Butt edge is somehow related via marriage to misfud... perhaps via the woman misfud married from Ukraine of all places.....

In English please.

[Bonez]

In English please.Butt Edge is a Killery stooge.

[sugilite]

Fucken hell a traiter Republican daring to complain about Trump moving money from the Pentagon to his wall just in time to make good on his 2016 election promise! Bloody put this deep state opritive to the sword Donald! :devil2:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/02/13/politics/pentagon-border-wall/index.html

[Bonez]

Fucken hell a traiter Republican daring to complain about Trump moving money from the Pentagon to his wall just in time to make good on his 2016 election promise! Bloody put this deep state opritive to the sword Donald! :devil2:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/02/13/politics/pentagon-border-wall/index.html

Off with his head. The Bozos are claiming Trump is an Emperor in all but name only.

[sugilite]

That would be the one with no clothes on :lol:

[mashman]

Fucken hell a traiter Republican daring to complain about Trump moving money from the Pentagon to his wall just in time to make good on his 2016 election promise! Bloody put this deep state opritive to the sword Donald! :devil2:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/02/13/politics/pentagon-border-wall/index.html

Oh the ironies eh...

"The top Republican on the House Armed Services Committee issued a sharp rebuke of President Donald Trump Thursday, slamming the administration's plan to divert $3.83 billion in Pentagon funding to border wall construction as unconstitutional and pledging to take action after lawmakers were notified of the move by the Department of Defense. ".

What's the wall for again?.. or should it be called a fense.

[sugilite]

Oh the ironies eh...

What's the wall for again?.. or should it be called a fense.
For many - it seems the word is off-fence :laugh:

[Bonez]

That would be the one with no clothes on :lol:Damn you for those mental images.

[Bonez]

For many - it seems the word is off-fence :laugh:But what about all those pics of so called immigrents on the fence? I guess they were there for the fantastic veiw.

They sould sell tickets and turn it into a tourist attraction.

[mashman]

For many - it seems the word is off-fence :laugh:

I do gotta wonder if it's a way to try to flush out the war mongers, coz a wall really really does seem like a silly thing to build dunnit... similarly with dropping bombs like really, but hey, it's always amusing seeing grown men cry over a loss of budget.

[mashman]

But what about all those pics of so called immigrents on the fence? I guess they were there for the fantastic veiw.

They sould sell tickets and turn it into a tourist attraction.

Run a rail line along the Mexican side of the fence and giant baseball mitts on the other. Not quite Running Man, but it'd be a start and the revenue during each train run would be pretty incredible. Go on Jose! You can to it!

[Bonez]

Run a rail line along the Mexican side of the fence and giant baseball mitts on the other. Not quite Running Man, but it'd be a start and the revenue during each train run would be pretty incredible. Go on Jose! You can to it!
Now this thread is stating to make sense.::laugh:

[sugilite]

Damn you for those mental images.

Think of poor ole Melania having to play f̶i̶n̶d̶ hide the sausage :sick:


But what about all those pics of so called immigrents on the fence? I guess they were there for the fantastic veiw.

They are just the polite ones that purchased the 23 foot ladders. The bastards are the ones with the $100 reciprocal saws, and the sneaky ones you never see until they are tending golf course greens because they go through the tunnels. :laugh:



I do gotta wonder if it's a way to try to flush out the war mongers, coz a wall really really does seem like a silly thing to build dunnit... similarly with dropping bombs like really, but hey, it's always amusing seeing grown men cry over a loss of budget.
I feel even Trump knows the wall is a waste of time, it is more just to fire up the lesser intelligent ones in his base. "Daaa Trump gunna build us an impenetrable wall round the back yard yeah - Oh that reminds me, hunny, you called the Mexican to come around and mow the lawn yet?". :shifty:

[Viking01]

I feel even Trump knows the wall is a waste of time, it is more just to fire up the lesser intelligent ones in his base.

A Physical Perspective

https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/why-wall-wont-work

A Political Perspective

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/03/08/border-security-what-and-who-is-it-good-for/

[pritch]

They are just the polite ones that purchased the 23 foot ladders. The bastards are the ones with the $100 reciprocal saws, and the sneaky ones you never see until they are tending golf course greens because they go through the tunnels. :laugh:


They don't even need tools, the whole thing is so corrupt that part of the fence just fell over in the wind.

[mashman]

I feel even Trump knows the wall is a waste of time, it is more just to fire up the lesser intelligent ones in his base. "Daaa Trump gunna build us an impenetrable wall round the back yard yeah - Oh that reminds me, hunny, you called the Mexican to come around and mow the lawn yet?". :shifty:

:laugh: Given that Trump is being told what to do, I would imagine that you ain't far from the truth there pard. I wonder if he'll get a medal of honour and an Oscar at the end of it all :shifty:

[Bonez]

:laugh: Given that Trump is being told what to do, I would imagine that you ain't far from the truth there pard. I wonder if he'll get a medal of honour and an Oscar at the end of it all :shifty:And the Noble Peace Prize. I hear you can get them without doing diddly squat these days. Even better if you are a person of colour.

[jasonu]

Damn you for those mental images.

can't be any worse than waking up next to Mrs. obama.

[Bonez]

can't be any worse than waking up next to Mrs. obama.That's done it! I'm going to take a little blue pill so I can sleep tonight without having nightmares.

[mashman]

And the Noble Peace Prize. I hear you can get them without doing diddly squat these days. Even better if you are a person of colour.

So I hear... although I reckon that'll be reserved for his son-in-law as peace breaks out in the East.

[oldrider]

Here is the full pilot episode of “The Long Gunmen” which predicted 9/11. Rogue elements of the U.S. government plan to use a war-game scenario to crash a Boeing passenger jet from Boston into the World Trade Center.
It aired on March 4, 2001. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTzZtxUcncg … 36:26 for anyone looking for the 9/11 prediction part. - :msn-wink: - (Would they lie to us?) - :rolleyes:

[Quote]
jayc2469 (10 months ago)
Immediately following the attacks, President George W. Bush stated that: "Nobody in our government at least, and I don't think the prior government, could envisage flying air planes into buildings" and National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice claimed: "no-one could have predicted that they would try to use an airplane as a missile". (Wiki)
Breathtaking words from Bush, Rice et al at the time, considering the majority of reports they were getting from multiple security agencies suggested the contrary. This episodes producer(s) either had an inkling of foreknowledge or involvement in the Greatest Show On Earth that took place a few weeks after this was broadcast - or it was an incredible (but highly improbable) coincidence.[Unquote] - (Would they lie to us?) - :rolleyes:


<iframe width="290" height="163" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/tTzZtxUcncg" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[mashman]

I saw a thing the other day, can't remember where, and thought it odd at the time. It was a video of Trump saying the word 17 repeatedly for what seemed like eternity. At one point in the video Trump says that the current day antics taking place are 17 years in the making. What happened 20th March 17 years ago? Could it be a date to put in the diary.........

[pritch]

So Trump's minions are still having secret meetings with Russians. Mike Pompeo had a meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at the Munich Conference a few days ago. To all intents and purposes this was a secret meeting - until it was reported in Russian media. Pompeo was reportedly angry when asked about it by US press.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/pompeo-had-undisclosed-meeting-with-russian-minister-at-munich-conference

[TheDemonLord]

so trump's minions are still having secret meetings with russians. Mike pompeo had a meeting with russian foreign minister sergei lavrov at the munich conference a few days ago. To all intents and purposes this was a secret meeting - until it was reported in russian media. Pompeo was reportedly angry when asked about it by us press.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/pompeo-had-undisclosed-meeting-with-russian-minister-at-munich-conference


IN TODAYS NEWS, TWO POLITICIANS FROM DIFFERENT COUNTRIES SPOKE TO EACH OTHER. LEFTWING SOURCES OUTRAGED.

...
...
...
really?

[jasonu]

So Trump's minions are still having secret meetings with Russians. Mike Pompeo had a meeting with Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at the Munich Conference a few days ago. To all intents and purposes this was a secret meeting - until it was reported in Russian media. Pompeo was reportedly angry when asked about it by US press.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/pompeo-had-undisclosed-meeting-with-russian-minister-at-munich-conference

and as we all know the Russian media is always completely , accurate truthful and totally beyond outside influence...

[oldrider]

New York Issued Gag order to Police over Corona Virus


<iframe width="290" height="163" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/_EwOvPvSQ-c" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

[oldrider]

Spending priorities right on cue? - :confused: - https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/1228951142174003205?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - :msn-wink:

[Bonez]

and as we all know the Russian media is always completely , accurate truthful and totally beyond outside influence...
RT News is more accurate than CNN or MSNBC by very large margin..

[oldrider]

Sanders tells New York Times he would consider a preemptive strike against Iran or North Korea:- :facepalm: - https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/02/14/sand-f14.html - (America - Where everything changes - but stays the same?) :msn-wink:

[pritch]

Mayor Pete must have claimed he could speak Norwegian. Somebody asked him to translate, "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas." His translation was "What happens in Vegas lays in Vegas." So the same people are excitedly claiming he can't speak Norwegian.

WTF? Their president can barely speak English and people are criticising a candidate's Norwegian?

If they dislike him they might be better asking him about the black Police Chief he fired.

[oldrider]

Who Bought The $1.3 Trillion In Debt The US Government Added In 2019?:- :scratch: - https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/who-bought-13-trillion-debt-us-government-added-2019 - If not foreign holders, who else is there? - :bs:

[pritch]

Who Bought The $1.3 Trillion In Debt The US Government Added In 2019?:- :scratch: - https://www.zerohedge.com/economics/who-bought-13-trillion-debt-us-government-added-2019 - If not foreign holders, who else is there? - :bs:

The billions recently released through quantitative easing were funnelled directly into the stockmarket to keep it artificially inflated. The economy might be showing warning signs, but as long as the stockmarket looks good Trump is happy.