The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread? [Archive] - Page 37

husaberg

19th June 2020, 17:41

I watched it live. I remember it like it was yesterday. A few minutes after it happened one of her minions, in a live interview, said she slipped. So you can stick your specific search up your arse.

So if you watched it live you will be able to find the video of it pretty easy then...........

but you will have to get it straight first
bacause you said

That’s not true. I remember her trying to say she slipped.
then you said

I watched it live. I remember it like it was yesterday. A few minutes after it happened one of her minions, in a live interview, said she slipped. So you can stick your specific search up your arse.

So you have already altered your initial statement made, in the mater of hours.:Oops:
people with dementia and Alzheimer's often claim to have great memories of events also.

As you made the claim Hillary said it, its up to you to provide some evidence she did.
thus far, with you not being able for hours to produce any corroborating evidence is not looking positive for you.

Bonez

19th June 2020, 17:44

So if you watched it live you will be able to find the video of it pretty easy then...........But he doesn't have to. You twats do.:bleh:

sugilite

19th June 2020, 17:57

They want what?
The Tulsa Arena officials want a Covid 19 safety plan from the Trump team.
https://www.billboard.com/articles/business/touring/9405494/trump-rally-tulsa-arena-safety-plan-request

What will happen is a plan they have absolutely no intention of following will be submitted and accepted.
A percentage of people will die as a result. But Trump is perfectly OK with killing people for his cause.
Oh, and the Trump campaign will not pay the city or organizers for the extra security required etc, because the Trump campaign is as dishonest as their leader.

People on here have said on this thread "At least Trump has not started any wars". He has no need to do so as his actions, (and lack thereof) are already doing a bang up job of killing innocent Americans.

Speaking of killing shit, Trumps plan to kill off the Obama era DACA process through the supreme court has failed - oh dear. :baby:
https://www.geekwire.com/2020/supreme-courts-denial-trumps-attempt-rescind-daca-win-dreamers-microsoft/

With all this losing, Team KB for Trump had better charter a plane and get over there quick to support Trump in person. They can carry him onto the stage at his rally's so he does not have to deal with those dastardly steep slippery ramps. :lol:

Bonez

19th June 2020, 17:59

Just a reminder for Bozos Inc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNVknOb8pZY

pete376403

19th June 2020, 18:05

Mah Arabs/Israelis. They're all Semites an live in the same bit of sand.:msn-wink:

All semites, one supported by USA to the tune of billions of dollars in aid and war materiel, much of which is applied trying to subjugate the other semites, (who, as luck would have it, control most of the oil) So not quite the same patch of sand. Perhaps comprehension wasn't one of your stellar topics at kindergarten or any time after.

husaberg

19th June 2020, 18:19

All semites, one supported by USA to the tune of billions of dollars in aid and war materiel, much of which is applied trying to subjugate the other semites, (who, as luck would have it, control most of the oil) So not quite the same patch of sand. Perhaps comprehension wasn't one of your stellar topics at kindergarten or any time after.

More than likely the reasons hes in the sin bin is him spitting the dummy and throwing his toys out of the cot. So i am pretty sure he has progressed beyond kindergarten.

Bonez

19th June 2020, 18:38

More than likely the reasons hes in the sin bin is him spitting the dummy and throwing his toys out of the cot. So i am pretty sure he has progressed beyond kindergarten.Sin bin hasn't had any effect sweetheart in case you haven't noticed.<_<

Katman

19th June 2020, 19:49

More than likely the reasons hes in the sin bin is him spitting the dummy and throwing his toys out of the cot.

Either that or some whiney little fuck reported one of his posts.

Viking01

19th June 2020, 20:01

And John Bolton wouldn't lie. Mike Pompeo said so.

OK, John Boy might still be a little upset about having being dismissed by Trump (as National Security Advisor) in 2019, because of his seeming liking for wars:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/17/john-bolton-iran-north-korea-venezuela-trump

But I'm sure that neither of them would hold a grudge.

Seems I was wrong on the first point .... 8-)

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/i-was-room-too-pompeo-accuses-traitor-bolton-spreading-outright-falsehoods

sugilite

19th June 2020, 20:06

Just a reminder for Bozos Inc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PNVknOb8pZY

Actually, I like his style, no hype, gloating(think Dr Turdley) or even much Bullshit.
Now Bonez, see if you can actually understand this, just because someone (like me for instance) is a never Trumper and see him for the complete wrong guy for the job, does not mean we (I) automatically are a Clinton, or even democratic supporter.
Trump is President now, Hillary is last decades fish n chips wrapper. If they find stuff in the investigation, send her to trial and cage her if found guilty. Just like they will do to Trump when he comes out of the presidency.
People who bury themselves in the left right thing are laughable.
I left NZ under national, came back under labor, and what had changed? Sweet fuck all. It's all a sham so the real leaders of the World can just get on with fucking us all in the arse.

Laava

19th June 2020, 20:18

I watched it live. I remember it like it was yesterday. A few minutes after it happened one of her minions, in a live interview, said she slipped. So you can stick your specific search up your arse.

So she said hse slipped AND one of her mimions. You know like two and two...Guess you didn't do math at kindergarten.

So the fuck what? Who cares? Doesn't make Trump any less of a fuckup does it? It just highlights how bad the leadership choices are in north mexico and how excitable you little Trump fanbois really are!
They will get the bad leadership they vote for. You should move over there boner, you'd fit right in.

Katman

19th June 2020, 20:32

…..and how excitable you little Trump fanbois really are!

The only 'excitable' ones here seem to be the ones getting all worked up over Trump's display of walking down a ramp or figuring they can see that he's wearing nappies under his trousers.

husaberg

19th June 2020, 20:35

Either that or some whiney little fuck reported one of his posts.
is that your form of a confession?

The only 'excitable' ones here seem to be the ones getting all worked up over Trump's display of walking down a ramp or figuring they can see that he's wearing nappies under his trousers.

Gee sounds like you are suggesting conspiracy theorists lack common sense.....:lol:
but then again on here people are not making claims that were definitive, they are questions or observations, you on the other hand make claims without any supporting evidence

Like when you claimed farmers send 100kg plus rodeo calves to the works when the works don't accept cattle this size.
Or that time you claimed there was numerous alternatives to 1080 on the vast inaccessible areas of NZ ,yet you couldn't name a single one.
Or that time you claimed some animals were poisoned on their own property by 1080, when by the owners own admission, they had wandered into a DOC area.
Or that time you posted a engine (the Geet)that was a well known fraud, that was supposed to run on coffee or water and you refused to admit it was a made up piece of shit. You even called him a modern day telsa when in truth, he said he got the technology from an angel named Mrs Cunningham. He invented nothing other than a new way to scam money of idiots.
Or that time you claimed there were no gas chambers at in German concentration camps, when even the two convicted fraudsters you quoted as being proof, admitted it was obvious there were gas chambers.
Or that time you kept claiming ad nausea, the WTC buildings fell at free-fall speed, when the clearly did not
Or that time you claimed they collapsed into their own footprints when they clearly did not.
Or that time when you quoted state trooper Lyle Szupink as saying something, he clearly did not, about United Airlines Flight 93.
Or that time you claimed over and over that an engine was found to be a distance away from the crash site when it was in fact, found less than a third of that distance.
Or that time you kept claiming passports, were never found intact after a high speed impact like 911, when in fact they commonly are.
Or that time you claimed the UFA investigation was independent , full or transparent, when it was clearly none of these three.
Or that times you repeatedly make and pass on false claims about vaccine and vaccine safety often implying, you know more than genuine medical experts, when you have no medial training at all.
Or that time you claimed it was uncommon for bikes to have footpegs mounted to the swingarm when tens if not 100's of millions of bikes were made in over 120 models with this exact set up.

sugilite

20th June 2020, 09:36

Trump supporting idiots already gathering for the murder rally.
These freedom loving arse holes are going to expose themselves to the virus, take it home, give it to friends and innocents who they do not even know. People will die because of this rally.
#Tulsamurders
https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6165494980001

Bonez

20th June 2020, 09:44

sugilite

20th June 2020, 09:57

Sin bin hasn't had any effect sweetheart in case you haven't noticed.<_<
You have quoted two of my posts, but they have not appeared yet. So it would appear your posts are in need of moderation, thus there is indeed an effect.
You should feel right at home though as half of what you post ends up in PD anyway.

sugilite

20th June 2020, 20:21

No different than the MLM meeups darling.:woohoo:

If I'm deciphering your usual cryptic spelling correctly, I'm getting what you actually meant was Black Lives matter meetups?

Yes, the protesters are spreading the virus doing that, and it is not sensible right now.
However, it most certainly is very different for the president to be organizing a rally in a confined space, in a state and city where cases are spiking now.
It is in effect Pre-meditated murder by President Trump. He absolutely knows people will die either directly, or indirectly as the rally participants go about infecting innocent people after the rally as well as during it.
The man and a large portion of his supporters are morally bankrupt, and have black belts in using lame "what about" arguments - as you have just done here. :rolleyes:

Oh yes, the idiot just sent out the tweet below, he is either just so brain dead that he does not realize it will just motivate protesters even more. Or maybe he just wants the police and national guard to kill more people.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Any protesters, anarchists, agitators, looters or lowlifes who are going to Oklahoma please understand, you will not be treated like you have been in New York, Seattle, or Minneapolis. It will be a much different scene!</p>— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1273972301156016130?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 19, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Bonez

20th June 2020, 20:25

sugilite

20th June 2020, 20:28

Oh you do go on Doc...:baby:
Fastest confirmation of a"morally corrupt" Trump Supporter ever :pinch:

eldog

20th June 2020, 20:33

If I'm deciphering your usual cryptic spelling correctly, I'm getting what you actually meant was Black Lives matter meetups?

Yes, the protesters are spreading the virus doing that, and it is not sensible right now.
However, it most certainly is very different for the president to be organizing a rally in a confined space, in a state and city where cases are spiking now.
It is in effect Pre-meditated murder by President Trump. He absolutely knows people will die either directly, or indirectly as the rally participants go about infecting innocent people after the rally as well as during it.
The man and a large portion of his supporters are morally bankrupt, and have black belts in using lame "what about" arguments - as you have just done here. :rolleyes:

Oh yes, the idiot just sent out the tweet below, he is either just so brain dead that he does not realize it will just motivate protesters even more. Or maybe he just wants the police and national guard to kill more people.
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He just wants you to be distracted from whats really happening.....

Even bad publicity is good publicity right?

and whose name is in the papers/media/tv etc, day and night?

who you gunna vote for.....
yeah ummm, whats that opposition persons name..... never mind vote for Don, we know him:crazy:

I'd say the opposition is missing in action or buried somewhere on page 3

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pritch

20th June 2020, 20:50

If I'm deciphering your usual cryptic spelling correctly, I'm getting what you actually meant was Black Lives matter meetups?

Wow!

You did better than me. I just wrote it off as the non sensible gibberings of an idiot. It wasn't even close to English as we know it.

OK, so thanks to your interpretive skills we may now know what was intended, (or possibly not).

Thank God for the ignore function.

Bonez

20th June 2020, 20:56

Wow!

You did better than me. I just wrote it off as the non sensible gibberings of an idiot. It wasn't even close to English as we know it.

OK, so thanks to your interpretive skills we may now know what was intended, (or possibly not).

Thank God for the ignore function.But you never use it lol!@!

Bonez

20th June 2020, 20:59

Fastest confirmation of a"morally corrupt" Trump Supporter ever :pinch:When have I EVER said I was a Trump supporter Doc? C'Mon.:bye: You really are quite delusional.

ALL I've ever said was he and his his crew were shat on for no valid reason at all for over three years. He was fairly elected and deserved a fair shot like ANY president before him. Shit heads like Nadler. Shift, Commey, Beneen, Clapper etc. should be made an example of. The fact he's manage to get this far is a testament to his his fortitude. So suck on that big boy.

sugilite

21st June 2020, 09:59

When have I EVER said I was a Trump supporter Doc? C'Mon.:bye: You really are quite delusional.

ALL I've ever said was he and his his crew were shat on for no valid reason at all for over three years. He was fairly elected and deserved a fair shot like ANY president before him. Shit heads like Nadler. Shift, Commey, Beneen, Clapper etc. should be made an example of. The fact he's manage to get this far is a testament to his his fortitude. So suck on that big boy.

Well then, I stand corrected, certainly no evidence what so ever in your post that you are a Trump supporter :facepalm:

sugilite

22nd June 2020, 11:07

Viking01

22nd June 2020, 11:13

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/read-here-john-boltons-full-memoir-leaked-online

I was so looking forward to some light reading, but Google had other ideas.

husaberg

22nd June 2020, 17:08

Oh dear, Trump campaign organizers were crowing about the million registrations, then could not even fill a stadium. They had to cancel the outside speeches by Trump as no one was out there either.
They are blaming protesters, but even fox news is saying the protesters had little effect on the rally. There are claims that large groups of teens from the K-pop and Tictok communities registered to go with the intention of not attending. Either way, an epic fail for team Chump 2020. Oh, and Trump spent 8% of his talking time bleating about the coverage of his ramp sprint - what a snowflake. :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SShwjUbTgAE

Trumps team ..... hes so popular a million people want to go...
Fox Reporter..... really? you failed to fill a stadium with 6200 people let alone a million people, isnt that embarrassing for your campaign
Trump team.no that's an alternative fact..... clearly a million people wanted to go but they were scared because of the left wing media and protesters................
Fox reporter.what protesters.... you make no sense..........
Trumps team Fox are clearly the enemy media, trump is the golden monkey emperor. He is the sun the moon and the tides and all the stars in the sky.
Fox reporter well they are till saner than Trump himself
maybe they added the numbers up on trumps sharpie pen and got a small l̶o̶a̶n̶ crowd of a million d̶o̶l̶l̶a̶r̶s̶ people

pete376403

22nd June 2020, 19:20

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/read-here-john-boltons-full-memoir-leaked-online

I was so looking forward to some light reading, but Google had other ideas.

Mary Trump (niece, trained psychologist) has a book coming out soon, too. "Publisher says Mary L Trump, a trained psychologist, describes ‘a nightmare of traumas and destructive relationships’"

News of Mary L Trump’s Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Man, which is set to be released in July, broke on Sunday evening. Further information, including the title, then appeared on an Amazon page.

sugilite

23rd June 2020, 15:12

Lets get this party started!

https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/4/y/m/v/x/l/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.1240x700 .4ymwue.png/1592878285265.jpg

Nek minut!

https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/4/y/m/v/x/k/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.1240x700 .4ymwue.png/1592878285265.jpg

After the event, he looks like he needs the likes of Austin, Bonez and DL to charter a plane and give the man a hug. :laugh:

https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/4/y/m/w/w/v/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.1240x700 .4ymwue.png/1592878285265.jpg

Viking01

23rd June 2020, 16:12

Mary Trump (niece, trained psychologist) has a book coming out soon, too. "Publisher says Mary L Trump, a trained psychologist, describes ‘a nightmare of traumas and destructive relationships’"

News of Mary L Trump’s Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Man, which is set to be released in July, broke on Sunday evening. Further information, including the title, then appeared on an Amazon page.

It's hard not to smile. Only a year ago:

https://asiatimes.com/2019/05/the-most-dangerous-man-in-the-world/

husaberg

23rd June 2020, 16:26

It's hard not to smile. Only a year ago:

https://asiatimes.com/2019/05/the-most-dangerous-man-in-the-world/

that news report you sited is contradictory in content
The most dangerous man in the world
On Venezuela and Iran, Donald Trump is the adult in the room next to his national security adviser, John Bolton

On Venezuela, it was Trump who started talk of a “military option” in August 2017

When US national security adviser John Bolton demanded military plans to oust the government of Nicolás Maduro in Venezuela, Trump demurred, reportedly saying Bolton was trying to pull him “into a war.”

The White House national security adviser wants war, but his boss doesn’t want to be a war president. Trump’s combination of bluster (“bomb the shit out of them”)

Last week, Bolton warned the Tehran government that “any attack on United States interests or on those of our allies will be met with unrelenting force.”

John Robert Bolton (born November 20, 1948) is an American attorney, political commentator, Republican consultant and former diplomat who served as the 25th United States Ambassador to the United Nations from 2005 to 2006 and as the 27th United States National Security Advisor from 2018 to 2019.

27th United States National Security Advisor
In office
April 9, 2018 – September 10, 2019
25th United States Ambassador to the United Nations

August 2, 2005 – December 31, 2006
3rd Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Affairs

May 11, 2001 – July 31, 2005
18th Assistant Secretary of State for International Organization Affairs

May 22, 1989 – January 20, 1993
United States Assistant Attorney General for the Civil Division

1988–1989
United States Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legislative Affairs

1985–1988
Assistant Administrator of USAID for Program and Policy Coordination

Education Yale University (BA, JD)
United States Army Reserve
Maryland Army National Guard
Years of service 1970–1976[

Donald trumps qualifications....
impeached president
School records top secret..... net worth top secret tax returns top secret.
know for self prmotion and was on TV
Well known to be a compulsive liar and involved in a number of fraudulent activities.
John Bolton’s has called US President Donald Trump “naive and dangerous”

pete376403

23rd June 2020, 16:47

"Bomb thrower Bolton" was given as his description first time I read of him. Don't see him as any better than trump, but bolton is not the president and does not have powers to engulf the world in war, so in that respect he (bolton) is a little better.

Viking01

23rd June 2020, 16:53

that news report you sited is contradictory in content
The most dangerous man in the world
On Venezuela and Iran, Donald Trump is the adult in the room next to his national security adviser, John Bolton

....

Donald trumps qualifications....
impeached president
School records top secret..... net worth top secret tax returns top secret.
know for self prmotion and was on TV
Well known to be a compulsive liar and involved in a number of fraudulent activities.
John Bolton’s has called US President Donald Trump “naive and dangerous”

Do feel free to contact Asia Times and correct them .

husaberg

23rd June 2020, 16:55

Do feel free to contact Asia Times and correct them .
I dont need to, they clearly have contradicted themselves, i even gave very simple examples.
why dont you address that you linked the story yet it makes little sense as its so contradictory in content.

But lets see about the Asia times
print 1995 and closed in mid-1997
Asia Times Online was created early in 1999
relaunched in October 2016
It was relaunched yet again in February 2019 with a refreshed web design.

Katman

23rd June 2020, 19:53

….yet it makes little sencse….

Oh, the fucking irony.

Bonez

23rd June 2020, 20:26

Oh, the fucking irony.It is more than irony, it's a 2 ton hydraulic press..:corn:

husaberg

24th June 2020, 07:25

Oh, the fucking irony.

The irony is you commenting on the validity of anything, when you have clearly demonstrated, over a long period, you lack the cognitive ability to form a reasonable conclusion based on information presented.
your only reason for posting was to troll, i commented on the very clear contradiction of the information presented.

A better example of what is is ironic is you, a person who is often and obviously wrong, pointing out a spelling mistake, yet will never admit the obvious occasion where youi are clearly caught in a falsehood, as your ego is far to frail to be able to survive the damage.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131164285#post1131164285

TheDemonLord

24th June 2020, 09:22

Just an interesting thought,

For those following the CHAZ/CHOP - who it seems are attempting the worlds fastest speedrun of Communism - we've had:

Racial Segregation (from the Group that tells us that we are the Racists)
Enforce Curfews (from the Group that tells us to defund the Police)
3 Shootings (from the Group that tells us we need strict Gun Control)

I could go on, but there's several time-honoured phrases that I think are Relevant here:

"Be Careful what you wish for, you just might get it"
and
"Actions speak louder than words"

Viking01

25th June 2020, 10:21

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/06/trump-hotels-to-change-name-after-revelation-founder-had-history-of-racism/

Naki Rat

25th June 2020, 20:02

Don't know if this was posted previously but what this guy is claiming about Trump's 'habits' explains a lot about what the world is seeing: https://justinnewspod.com/2020/05/08/entertainment-interviews-noel-casler-the-apprentice-donald-trump-adderall/

PrincessBandit

1st July 2020, 18:21

https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6168442606001

"This president I tell you is the most informed person on planet earth when it comes to the threats that we face"

Did she feel the need to add "earth" (rather than just "the planet") in case sensible people thought she was referring to Jen'ril Jackass's home planet of Uranus?

husaberg

1st July 2020, 23:10

Viking01

2nd July 2020, 12:54

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3091408/hundreds-bush-officials-launch-43-alumni-group-back

Laava

5th July 2020, 16:04

Thank fuck they finally have a viable candidate for president this time round!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/300049756/kanye-west-announces-plan-to-run-for-us-president-has-elon-musks-full-support
Another self professed genius! Yay!

sugilite

5th July 2020, 22:23

Stand back and watch in awe as the very stable genius gives history lessons :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtgzVARrPu4

Viking01

12th July 2020, 17:13

https://www.mintpressnews.com/mexico-pemex-debt-swap-imf-usmca/269356/

Don't know why they think that Don has lost his negotiating mojo. Looks a sweet deal - as long as you're not Mexican and not concerned about (i) introduction of GMO's (ii) tech company IP (iii) energy security (specifically PEMEX).

Viking01

14th July 2020, 18:29

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2020/07/wolf-richter-the-great-american-shale-oil-gas-massacre-bankruptcies-defaulted-debts-worthless-shares-collapsed-prices-of-oil-gas.html

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/07/13/privatize-profit-socialize-mess-abandoned-fracking-wells-left-spewing-climate

pritch

18th July 2020, 12:53

G'day y'all

Been doing some reading: Bomber Bolton's book and Mary Trump's book. Sorry I can't lend them, they're on Kindle.

Bolton's book is the more scary. He had worked under other presidents, was familiar with how the State Dept is supposed to operate and had been Ambassador to the UN. His descriptions of the chaos that exists in the current White House is more than a little concerning. The heads of the various departments are amateurs, they are unaware of how their department should operate, and each is trying to score points against the others. None "stay in their lane' as the saying has it.

Trump can't stick to a topic. If the concern of the moment is military in nature but he is in a finance meeting he will ask the accountants what he should do. In meetings his mind wanders from topic to topic, he can maintain focus only briefly.

He comes down to work about 11.00AM and spends most of the day watching TV in a dining room off the Oval Office.

Bolton says he quit, and gives a chronology in support of that. Trump said he was fired. One of them has a reputation as a gratuitous liar. You decide.

Mary Trump is a clinical psychologist and has known Trump all her life. She describes life in the Trump family under Fred. A strange family, they put the fun in dysfunctional. She describes the treatment of Trump and his brothers by their father as being responsible for Trump's subsequent mental state. She acknowledges that it's clear he is a sociopath with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, but if you've been paying attention, we already knew that. She says that it would require extensive testing to discover all of his disorders but he would never submit to that.

The sad thing is that people who need to know this stuff won't read the books. Generally they aren't big readers.

A sneak preview?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSDZbtOZUYg

mashman

18th July 2020, 17:39

sugilite

19th July 2020, 15:30

v's Obama/Bush/Reagan etc... All did what presidents were supposed to do, and here we are today in even worse condition because of a succession of those very same people. Blaming Trump, who is a blip in that field over the last, well, since the inception of government, is simply shooting the man holding the flag. It does nothing, because there'll be another flag bearer along shortly who no matter how impeccably "credentialed" will fail just as miserably. That that failure is undertaken presidentially shouldn't matter in the slightest... but it does for some reason.

Sorry, but that is a load of twaddle. Trump has had a massive effect on the US Government this last 4 years. Just how he has handled the virus alone - politicizing the wearing of masks FFS. :brick:

mashman

19th July 2020, 17:24

Sorry, but that is a load of twaddle. Trump has had a massive effect on the US Government this last 4 years. Just how he has handled the virus alone - politicizing the wearing of masks FFS. :brick:

They all had a massive effect on the US Government irrespective of how they lived their lives... which was my point. Some of them owned an awful lot of shares in the war machine and created wars that charged $100 for a load of washing. V's masks? Seems like you've not only lost your memory but also your mind.

pritch

19th July 2020, 18:47

Just how he has handled the virus alone - politicizing the wearing of masks FFS. :brick:

There was a statement by a White House person today that Trump will not let the pandemic distract him. As amazing as that is, they didn't mention what he was averse to being distracted from. I'm assuming it's golf.

Bonez

19th July 2020, 20:44

sugilite

20th July 2020, 10:46

There was a statement by a White House person today that Trump will not let the pandemic distract him. As amazing as that is, they didn't mention what he was averse to being distracted from. I'm assuming it's golf.
Pritch it is the guy exercising, that right foot gets a real workout on the accelerator pedal of the golf cart :laugh:

See the Republican senators are trying to leave the sinking ship.
I say no way arseholes, you have all been going down on trump dick all this time, now it is time to go down with the sinking shit.
Bet they wish they had done the night of the long knives on Trump at the impeachment trial. His head was on the chopping block, and they all were too spineless to swing the sword.
Now they can reap what they sowed the short sighted gutless bozos.

See McConnell is trying to make out he gives a shit about constituents telling all to wear masks now. Wonder if Kentuckians have worked out he only gives a shit about them a few months out from elections.
Pretty sure the coal miners will not of forgotten him shafting them over redundancy money all the while giving the mine bosses a sweet little reach around.

pritch

20th July 2020, 11:07

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gzHE_SY334o

pritch

20th July 2020, 11:14

See McConnell is trying to make out he gives a shit about constituents telling all to wear masks now. Wonder if Kentuckians have worked out he only gives a shit about them a few months out from elections.
Pretty sure the coal miners will not of forgotten him shafting them over redundancy money all the while giving the mine bosses a sweet little reach around.

Amy McGrath was narrowly heading him in the polls, but that's almost too much to hope for. Kentucky is a backward place and he's done fuck all about that in the decades he's been a senator. Done quite a lot for himself and his corrupt wife though.

When he was young he had polio which was treated at the expense of the taxpayer. He's pulled the ladder up now though and is totally opposed to any taxpayer funded healthcare. That takes a special kind of arsehole.

TheDemonLord

20th July 2020, 11:31

It's going to be interesting to see what all the Communist 'protests' (aka Violent Riots and attempts at revolution) will do in this election.

There's a very simple message of 'Look what happens in Far-Left cities with Far-Left Politicians running them'

There's also a very simple message of 'These people clearly hate America'.

I think Trump is going to easily win a second term.

pritch

20th July 2020, 12:22

Bonez

20th July 2020, 12:24

sugilite

20th July 2020, 12:43

In his interview on Fox trump says he aced his psychometric testing. When told the test was not difficult he replied that the last five questions were really difficult. Like what day is it? Where are you? And he's the fucking president, and there are still people who can't see a problem.

The attachment is a copy of the test he took. There are different versions, same format, but the animals may be different, the drawing varies, as does the time of the clock etc.

Reckon Biden made a mistake agreeing to do televised debates with Trump, who is just going to stand there telling bare faced lies that only his base are going to lap up like shit covered chocolate treats.

He should just let Trump get on with his one man crusade to ruin his reelection chances. He is doing the greatest ever job of that all on his own.

TheDemonLord

20th July 2020, 13:14

Reckon Biden made a mistake agreeing to do televised debates with Trump, who is just going to stand there telling bare faced lies that only his base are going to lap up like shit covered chocolate treats.

He should just let Trump get on with his one man crusade to ruin his reelection chances. He is doing the greatest ever job of that all on his own.

Lol.

Biden refuses to debate Trump:

Trump gets to say "He's Scared" or "He doesn't have the facts/truth to debate me and knows he will loose".

Trump's 'one man crusade' as you put it, will practically guarantee his re-election - all he has to do is point to Seattle, Portland etc. Places that are firmly in democrat control and have had massive Riots committed by the far-left Activists, often whilst the politicians in that state/city are either failing to intervene or in some cases outright bending the knee and supporting the rioters.

Biden agrees to debate Trump:

Trump will eviscerate him. Biden has shown moments of clarity and Spine, even if it's on things I disagree with him on - He has also shown some massive errors of judgement and some pretty bad Faux Pas "You aren't black if you aren't voting for the Democrats".

Biden has been backed into a corner - If he doesn't debate Trump, Trump wins. If he debates Trump, then his shortcomings are going to hand Trump the Win.

pritch

20th July 2020, 22:10

The Yanks do good political ads. Currently most of the ads opposed to Trump are from people in his own party. Well, what used to be the Republican Party but which is now the Trump party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHFHv-2LIO0

Katman

21st July 2020, 08:38

US politics just can't get any more bizarre.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53467658

TheDemonLord

21st July 2020, 08:55

US politics just can't get any more bizarre.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53467658

I'm not sure on Kanye,

I couldn't give a toss for his music or his high profile marriage - but he does seem to be something of a genuine family man and in some of his ramblings there are some brutal nuggets of truth.

Katman

21st July 2020, 09:46

I'm not sure on Kanye,

I couldn't give a toss for his music or his high profile marriage - but he does seem to be something of a genuine family man and in some of his ramblings there are some brutal nuggets of truth.

And he's probably even more emotionally/psychologically unstable than Trump.

TheDemonLord

21st July 2020, 10:24

And he's probably even more emotionally/psychologically unstable than Trump.

and yet, probably an infinitely better role model for the African American community than any of the BLM protestors or organizers:

- Successful
- Married (in an apparently stable relationship - which considering his Bride is quite the achievement)
- Father to his Kids (and by all appearances seems to love being a family man)

The last two being a solution to the overwhelming number of problems that the African American community faces.

But let's look at what he actually has to say for himself:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/randalllane/2020/07/08/kanye-west-says-hes-done-with-trump-opens-up-about-white-house-bid-damaging-biden-and-everything-in-between/#3708994447aa

Like all politicians, some things I agree with, some I definitely don't. The ones were I think he ruthlessly hits the nail on the head are:

“That is a form of racism and white supremacy and white control to say that all Black people need to be Democrat
....
And that’s what the Democrats are doing, emotionally, to my people. Threatening them to the point where this white man can tell a Black man if you don’t vote for me, you’re not Black.”

what we’ll do is we’re not going to tear up the Constitution, what we will do is amend.

Oh, one other thing—Black History Month. That is torture porn because when that comes up what we do is we see

One of my to-do lists is to end police brutality. The police are people, too. To end laws that don’t make sense. Like, in the George Floyd case, there was a Black guy that went to jail and it was his first day on the force. So if it’s your first day on the force and it’s your training day, and this OG-accredited cop with 18 violations already starts filing out, are you going to jump in front of that person and lose your job that same day? Especially in this climate when 40,000 people lost their jobs?

There's also lots of pro-religion and anti-Vaxx stuff that I'm not onboard with - some of his other policies - he's indicated he wants to bring manufacturing back to the west, he wants to look at ways to be more ecologically responsible (without requiring the complete destruction of the Capitalist west).

as for Unstable - if I were to put him in a Top Hat and an English Country Manor, I'd call him eccentric, but nothing more than that.

I've yet to make up my mind though - but I think suffice to say, it's going to make Politics much more interesting.

sugilite

21st July 2020, 10:48

Kanye West for President 2020
"What have you got to lose?"

Laava

21st July 2020, 12:21

He should team up with another "broken" tv personality just for the ratings!

pritch

21st July 2020, 12:42

Kanye West for President 2020
"What have you got to lose?"

I feel sorry for Mr West, and not just because I've never heard a single example of his work. :whistle:

He was paid a few million out of Trump's financial help for small businesses Covid fund. Then he announced a run for president. A few days later he cancelled his run. Then he announced a campaign rally. He can't mount a full run now because some states have already closed nominations. Others are closing all the time.

At the rally he wore body armour, for which apparently no explanation was given. He then dissed black heroine Harriet Tubman who, if Clinton had won, would have had her face on a banknote by now. Trump didn't want a woman on a banknote, let alone a black one.

Kanye also burst into tears at his rally. The guy is a mess. He has been diagnosed bipolar but may be off his meds. That his family appear to be doing nothing to help is tragic. It's not as if they can't afford the help he needs.

sugilite

22nd July 2020, 15:59

Witness the ongoing extinction of democracy in the USA. Unmarked Federal Officers (apparently) throwing protesters who have a right to protest into unmarked cars and driving off with them. That sounds like a Russian thing, not a USA one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgTmGBCncI4

I'm sure DL will be a long soon to you all how that Navy vet is an agent of antifa and a menace to society.

Looking forward to Trumps reckoning after he is voted out and inevitably gets physically removed from office.
As much fun as the thought of gen pop in Reikers would be for Trump, he should just get shipped off to a supermax with no outside contact. Attention is his oxygen, it would not take long for him to expire without it.

TheDemonLord

22nd July 2020, 16:30

Witness the ongoing extinction of democracy in the USA. Unmarked Federal Officers (apparently) throwing protesters who have a right to protest into unmarked cars and driving off with them. That sounds like a Russian thing, not a USA one.

I'm sure DL will be a long soon to you all how that Navy vet is an agent of antifa and a menace to society.

Looking forward to Trumps reckoning after he is voted out and inevitably gets physically removed from office.
As much fun as the thought of gen pop in Reikers would be for Trump, he should just get shipped off to a supermax with no outside contact. Attention is his oxygen, it would not take long for him to expire without it.

I don't need to say a word about the Navy Vet - 'Unmarked Federal Officers' - That's the Claim by CNN. Let's put up a counter video shall we?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTqWuSxuNl0

(Skip forward to 1 minute to avoid the Sales pitch) - In the still photos - you can see them wearing unit and serial number patches - so not exactly 'Unmarked' - I've got no comment on the claim of informant extraction. Seems CNN is being a little economical with the Truth, doesn't it?

Then we have to assess the claim - are they protesting (and engaging in Democracy) or rioting (and attempting a Communist revolution)? As much as CNN is running interference for this - it's clearly a riot. Do I need to pull the video clip where there is a building on fire and the reporter is saying 'it's mostly peaceful'.

Then we have the CHAZ/CHOP - whereby these revolutionary communists (let's call them by what they are) took over several city blocks - the result? More Black people killed by the 'cops' in 3 weeks than the entire city police managed in over a year, in fact for the 3 short weeks of it's life (completing all the stages of a Communist revolution) it was the most dangerous place on earth. So much for Black Lives Matter, eh?

Then we have to ask: Where are these Riots taking place? Would it be in Democratic areas with Democrat politicians? Could there be some connection between those two, that maybe the far-left Activist wing is being condoned or even aided by the Democratic politicians who share an ideological viewpoint?

Finally though - we have the nail in the coffin: Those protestors are never going to vote Trump. So what does Trump do? Does he send in the Army or National Guard, fix Bayonets and charge? All that would do is give the Radical Left a pool of blood to claim additional victimhood points from.

But what if he does nothing? Whilst the activist and revolutionary Commies get to have their fun and destroy everything, what of the centrist left-wing voter? Like Ken and Karen Chadbro? Do they vote Democrat and support the politician who sides and supports the violent communist riots who are attempting to burn down their neighborhood?

They might...

But then all Trump has to say is: "This didn't happen in Republican held states, this is what happens when you vote for the Democrats, you get riots, looting, murder - and worst of all, when I send in Federal assistance because I'm forced to, the Democrats tell us to get out, whilst the city is still burning, Your City, burning and the Democrats are telling us to go away"

You are being Played - and in 104 days, I've placed my bet that it'll be Trump by a comfortable margin.

jasonu

23rd July 2020, 02:17

Witness the ongoing extinction of democracy in the USA. Unmarked Federal Officers (apparently) throwing protesters who have a right to protest into unmarked cars and driving off with them. That sounds like a Russian thing, not a USA one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgTmGBCncI4

I'm sure DL will be a long soon to you all how that Navy vet is an agent of antifa and a menace to society.

Looking forward to Trumps reckoning after he is voted out and inevitably gets physically removed from office.
As much fun as the thought of gen pop in Reikers would be for Trump, he should just get shipped off to a supermax with no outside contact. Attention is his oxygen, it would not take long for him to expire without it.

It was declared a riot so only rioters were taken and good job too.
Governor Brown and Mayor Wheeler (both democrats) had done buggar all about the whole situation so a lot of people are happy the feds stepped in but you won't read about that on CNN...

pritch

23rd July 2020, 10:26

sugilite

23rd July 2020, 10:42

The current (unconfirmed) head of the Department of Homeland Security which is supplying Trump's Gestapo has made reference to "proactive arrests". Translated that reads pre-crime arrests. Anyone seen Minority Report?
There are reports that Hong Kong is the top place Americans are googling as a location to emigrate to escape the repression. :rolleyes:

jasonu

23rd July 2020, 12:19

There are reports that Hong Kong is the top place Americans are googling as a location to emigrate to escape the repression. :rolleyes:

Never heard that one.
Verified reoprts or internet babble?
Links please.

pritch

23rd July 2020, 12:43

This was posted on Twitter:

"Republicans are comparing Trump to Jesus. Fair enough. Nail him up, if he comes back in three days, I’ll admit I was wrong."

sugilite

23rd July 2020, 13:35

It was declared a riot so only rioters were taken and good job too.
Governor Brown and Mayor Wheeler (both democrats) had done buggar all about the whole situation so a lot of people are happy the feds stepped in but you won't read about that on CNN...

If the guy shown in the video holding his arms up and being passive is a deemed to be part of the riot and thus due a good beating - then it is hardly surprising it is being reported as brutality.

I get it, something has to be done, but how about have the enforcement identify themselves as such and have "company" branded vehicles to match?
It is all very gestapo-ish as it stands now.

If the democrats mayor and governor are to be taken to task for doing nothing, are you giving Trump a free pass in totally abdicating federal responsibility of a central Government lead response to the pandemic? He totally gave the Governors a hospital pass in that arena just so he could say not my problem being close in to the election.

pritch

23rd July 2020, 14:01

I get it, something has to be done, but how about have the enforcement identify themselves as such and have "company" branded vehicles to match?
It is all very gestapo-ish as it stands now.

Anyone who has ever wondered how Hitler came to power only has to look at what's happening in the US of A. None of this shit is even legal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5p0xBNOvPo

TheDemonLord

23rd July 2020, 14:11

Anyone who has ever wondered how Hitler came to power only has to look at what's happening in the US of A. None of this shit is even legal.

Or....

They could actually read the history of how he came to power and they would know that it looks absolutely NOTHING like what is going on in the US of A....

jasonu

23rd July 2020, 14:26

If the guy shown in the video holding his arms up and being passive is a deemed to be part of the riot and thus due a good beating - then it is hardly surprising it is being reported as brutality.

I get it, something has to be done, but how about have the enforcement identify themselves as such and have "company" branded vehicles to match?
It is all very gestapo-ish as it stands now.

If the democrats mayor and governor are to be taken to task for doing nothing, are you giving Trump a free pass in totally abdicating federal responsibility of a central Government lead response to the pandemic? He totally gave the Governors a hospital pass in that arena just so he could say not my problem being close in to the election.

This is the same governor brown that asked the feds to sort out a few upperty cowboys in Burns Oregon a few years ago. Her and the mayor have done nothing about the Portland situation. A lot of people are thankful the feds are rounding up some of these pricks

pritch

23rd July 2020, 15:32

Or....

They could actually read the history of how he came to power and they would know that it looks absolutely NOTHING like what is going on in the US of A....

You must have read different books to me, but that doesn't come as a shock.

TheDemonLord

23rd July 2020, 15:35

You must have read different books to me, but that doesn't come as a shock.

Really?

Care to show where the US lost a major war and was forced to pay financially crippling reparations in a treaty?

Or what about hyper-inflation that crippled the US economy?

Let's start there.

jasonu

23rd July 2020, 15:37

Really?

Care to show where the US lost a major war and was forced to pay financially crippling reparations in a treaty?

Or what about hyper-inflation that crippled the US economy?

Let's start there.

Tread lightly or he might put you on ignore...

sugilite

23rd July 2020, 18:59

You must have read different books to me, but that doesn't come as a shock.

Yeah, ultimately DL leans heavily into the fiction section. I remember when he seemed quite the expert on exactly how Greta Thunbergs parents had bought her up along with a whole raft of other Thunberg family facts. He was writing as if he had first hand knowledge of the family, like he had been their butler or something. So over a painfully excruciating few days I finally had his "facts" whittled down to the experience/knowledge he was actually drawing from and it all it turned out to be, was a photo of the family wearing antifa T-shirts (which upon reflection could of easily been photo shopped in) and the fact the mother had been an opera singer - a well known hotbed for communist operatives :laugh:. And that was it! In his view that gave him all the knowledge required to extensively critique the entire family on a large range of subjects. :rolleyes:
Having him as the only kber I have ever put on my ignore list is one of the best things I have done on KB. He and his "facts" are just a waste of time you will never get back.

husaberg

23rd July 2020, 19:38

You must have read different books to me, but that doesn't come as a shock.
Remember he likes believe the nazi party were left wing communists rather than a far right wing dictatorship "as it had socialist in the title"
He also said he sympathized with the agenda of the CHCH gunman.
With the gun control laws even though National and all the other parties voted in favour of the new laws ,he still likes to make out its some left wing attempt to take over the country.
For some reason outside of reality he also likes to believe laws are undemocratic when over 99% of MP's voted for them.
Not forgetting also believed he knows more about US laws than the US supreme court, More about US security than the FBI.
With him Bozo and the FeJoia on ignore KB av intellect rises substantially.

Swoop

23rd July 2020, 20:17

I'm not sure on Kanye,

I couldn't give a toss for his music or his high profile marriage - but he does seem to be something of a genuine family man and in some of his ramblings there are some brutal nuggets of truth.
He's a fucking mental-case.

America gets the President that it deserves, and kanye fits the bill nicely... Well, apart from ex-Prez Obama who calls him a "jackass".

TheDemonLord

23rd July 2020, 21:12

I love how people are proudly boasting about having me on Ignore, whilst liberally engaging in character assassinations...

It's almost like they need an excuse so as to avoid having to provide evidence for their claims.

Intellectual Cowardice at It's finest.

pzkpfw

23rd July 2020, 21:44

Thinks you can't make up:

https://thebulwark.com/trumps-new-ad-is-amazing/

(Edit: I came back to edit the typo, but decided to leave it.)

pritch

23rd July 2020, 22:19

This is Judge Napolitano he is one of the Fox News regular legal experts. Although a Fox regular he usually calls it as he sees it. He says Trump's stormtroopers have no legal basis. Some of us know that already but since you may not have believed me, try the judge.

If you watched the film Mississippi Burning you may recall that the FBI couldn't charge the KKK types that killed the civil rights workers with murder. Murder is a state crime and no jury in Mississippi was going to convict their own for killing outsiders especially black ones. The FBI charged them with conspiring to deprive the victims of their civil rights.

Most civil rights law is federal. The inbred racists in the backward states aren't interested in passing civil rights legislation.

Trump's stormtroopers have no right to be anywhere they are not invited. And they have not been invited to Portland or Chicago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZJDj76WK3g

sugilite

23rd July 2020, 22:41

Thinks you can't make up:

https://thebulwark.com/trumps-new-ad-is-amazing/

In a similar vein - you have spent the entire week or so defending the traitors confederate flag, you got to come up with something pretty spectacular to Trump that, but what? How about wishing a notorious sexual predator awaiting trial well?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zb2J3JQtFJQ

Should have a Trump apologist or two along shortly to tell us it he was just kidding and that it was a left wing wind up :laugh:

Viking01

23rd July 2020, 23:23

https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/07/us-claims-diplomatic-immunity-for-covid-19-shuts-down-chinese-consulate.html#more

pritch

24th July 2020, 09:04

He's a fucking mental-case.

West has been diagnosed bipolar so your summation, if blunt, is not inaccurate.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kim-kardashian-kanye-west-mental-health-bipolar-disorder-speaks-out/

sugilite

24th July 2020, 11:26

More bad news for Trump - and think of the dirt this guy has on the liar in chief. :laugh:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge-orders-michael-cohen-be-released-to-home-confinement-says-imprisonment-was-retaliatory-over-forthcoming-book

sugilite

24th July 2020, 12:58

Trump joins the cancel culture
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/trump-announces-jacksonville-part-of-gop-convention-will-canceled-over-coronavirus-concerns

Cites safety concerns for the people - why start caring about peoples safety now?

Trump now recommends masks - 5 months late. How many people have died that did not need to had he promoted masks from the get go? Meh, just throw those on the grim reaper in chiefs tab. :oi-grr:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQbaOg35WQA

Trumps chief White House Lies Release Officer Kaylie McLies explains why parents need to ignore science and send their kids to school, so the kiddies can get educated in ummm, science n shit :brick:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN3lu1nhiDo

TheDemonLord

24th July 2020, 13:35

Yeah, ultimately DL leans heavily into the fiction section. I remember when he seemed quite the expert on exactly how Greta Thunbergs parents had bought her up along with a whole raft of other Thunberg family facts. He was writing as if he had first hand knowledge of the family, like he had been their butler or something. So over a painfully excruciating few days I finally had his "facts" whittled down to the experience/knowledge he was actually drawing from and it all it turned out to be, was a photo of the family wearing antifa T-shirts (which upon reflection could of easily been photo shopped in) and the fact the mother had been an opera singer - a well known hotbed for communist operatives :laugh:. And that was it! In his view that gave him all the knowledge required to extensively critique the entire family on a large range of subjects. :rolleyes:

Because it's an amazing leap of logic to assume that someone wearing a T-Shirt that supports a cause... might support that same cause?!?
It's also an amazing leap of logic to suggest that someone who lets a Child sail around a multi-million dollar yacht (that neither of them own) is at best implicitly in agreement with the ideals being espoused, if not outright explicitly in agreement.
Then for Opera - it's called the 'Liberal Arts' for a reason.

Remember he likes believe the nazi party were left wing communists rather than a far right wing dictatorship "as it had socialist in the title"

So, why does National Socialist have Socialist in the title?
Why did the fascist movement all start from Marxists/Socialists?
Why do they advocate for things like: Planned economies, One Party states, Silencing of Political opponents, Hatred of the Jews etc.

He also said he sympathized with the agenda of the CHCH gunman.

Completely false. Post a Quote or issue a retraction.

With the gun control laws even though National and all the other parties voted in favour of the new laws ,he still likes to make out its some left wing attempt to take over the country.

All except ACT. 'Strong' Firearm laws have long been a hallmark of Left-wing politics. National only voted for it because of political cowardice.

For some reason outside of reality he also likes to believe laws are undemocratic when over 99% of MP's voted for them.

If it was Democratic, why did they need to shorten the Submission process?
If it was Democratic, why were 10,000 submissions given more weight than a 17,000 signature petition?
If it was Democratic, why did they need to change the law to allow for only a 24 hour window of Public Submissions?

When you have to break the checks and balances of democracy to push through your immoral legislation, regardless of how many MPs vote for it: It's not Democratic.

Not forgetting also believed he knows more about US laws than the US supreme court

Again, not true. I've pointed out there's a difference between someone entering a country on a false passport (which is still a crime) with an intent to visit and someone trying to illegally migrate to a country.

More about US security than the FBI.

Again, not true. I've pointed out certain aspects of corporate policy and how that relates to IT Security.

With him Bozo and the FeJoia on ignore KB av intellect rises substantially.

Having him as the only kber I have ever put on my ignore list is one of the best things I have done on KB. He and his "facts" are just a waste of time you will never get back.

If I was as mad or as intellectually deficient as claimed, there's no reason to Block me. No one pays attention to the raving lunatic on the street corner.

However, if what I say has even a single grain of uncomfortable truth, that can get under certain peoples skin and then irritates them so much because they can't argue against it and they can't bare to confront it... Well their only option in that situation would be to use the Block feature....

Funny that...

pritch

24th July 2020, 14:07

Then for Opera - it's called the 'Liberal Arts' for a reason.

The reasoning here is hilarious. The audience at an Opera would be one of the most conservative groups of people imaginable. The prices would quickly weed out the trendy lefties. OK, I know of liberal minded opera fans, but they would be in the minority.

I may be mistaken but I don't think many KBers would have been to an opera.

So, why does National Socialist have Socialist in the title?

'Socialist' is in the title along with 'Nationalist' with the intention of appealing to both nationalists and socialists as prospective voters. If you had read any accepted history you would know that. And no, Reddit, 8kun etc don't count. Try Shirer's Rise and Fall of The Third Reich.

Nobody said the Nazis weren't very good at propaganda, it was a good name, they had sharp looking uniforms and their other paraphernalia usually looked good.

TheDemonLord

24th July 2020, 14:15

The reasoning here is hilarious. The audience at an Opera would be one of the most conservative groups of people imaginable. The prices would quickly weed out the trendy lefties. OK, I know of liberal minded opera fans, but they would be in the minority.

I may be mistaken but I don't think many KBers would have been to an opera.

Audience? Who said anything about Audience, when we are talking about the Performers?

Do try to keep up Pritch.

'Socialist' is in the title along with 'Nationalist' with the intention of appealing to both nationalists and socialists as prospective voters. If you had read any accepted history you would know that.

And the part were all the founders were Marxists and Socialists, that's also a part of accepted history, which you seem curiously eager to omit - or have you just not read enough?

sugilite

24th July 2020, 14:39

The reasoning here is hilarious. The audience at an Opera would be one of the most conservative groups of people imaginable. The prices would quickly weed out the trendy lefties. OK, I know of liberal minded opera fans, but they would be in the minority.

I may be mistaken but I don't think many KBers would have been to an opera.

It is the opera performers you have to watch for Pritch. According to DL they are communists and they all bring up their children a certain way as well, DL must have the Opera Singers manual on child raising, as he seems to be an expert on the subject. If you want to go to a performing arts college to learn how to sing opera and you are a conservative, you will be shit out of luck, only socialists and communists are accepted. :laugh:

pritch

25th July 2020, 14:34

There's so many photos of them together he can hardly deny he knows her.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mo1lDJrZKx8

jasonu

26th July 2020, 05:39

If the guy shown in the video holding his arms up and being passive is a deemed to be part of the riot and thus due a good beating - then it is hardly surprising it is being reported as brutality.

I get it, something has to be done, but how about have the enforcement identify themselves as such and have "company" branded vehicles to match?
It is all very gestapo-ish as it stands now.

If the democrats mayor and governor are to be taken to task for doing nothing, are you giving Trump a free pass in totally abdicating federal responsibility of a central Government lead response to the pandemic? He totally gave the Governors a hospital pass in that arena just so he could say not my problem being close in to the election.

Yep law abiding citizens participating in a peaceful protest...
https://ktvz.com/news/2020/07/24/fires-set-inside-portland-federal-courthouse-fence-18-arrested-on-federal-charges/?fbclid=IwAR1X1CdntHy9_w6TTQUMl31tM8L2OIfG0-k_PkvgDAHDtojsAuaJd-LPBvE

husaberg

26th July 2020, 11:11

Yep law abiding citizens participating in a peaceful protest...
https://ktvz.com/news/2020/07/24/fires-set-inside-portland-federal-courthouse-fence-18-arrested-on-federal-charges/?fbclid=IwAR1X1CdntHy9_w6TTQUMl31tM8L2OIfG0-k_PkvgDAHDtojsAuaJd-LPBvE

if we are doing charges rather then succesful prosecutions
Lawsuits around Trump's financial and tax information
Lawsuits around COVID-19
All current pending prosecution
Lawsuits around the United States Constitution
Lawsuits around executive orders and presidential proclamations
Lawsuits around anti-LGBT policies
Lawsuits around potential legal violations
Lawsuits around the United States Census
Lawsuits around Trump political campaigns
Lawsuits around potential sexual misconduct and assault
Lawsuits around financial manipulation and employee payment
Lawsuits around environmental concerns
Lawsuits around COVID-19
Pending prosecution of former Paul Manafort associate Gregory B. Craig for lying to the Justice Department about work he did for the government of Ukraine by the United States Attorney for the District of Columbia
Pending criminal prosecution of Paul Manafort on state mortgage fraud charges by the New York County District Attorney
Orestes Fintiklis, majority owner of former-Trump International Hotel & Tower Panama regarding tax evasion.
ACN Inc. (American Communications Network)
Amazon Web Services v. United States of America regarding Joint Enterprise Defense Infrastructure

sugilite

26th July 2020, 11:13

pritch

26th July 2020, 13:56

Walmart shoppers often manage to look unusual but this couple outdid themselves. They received considerable flak from other customers.

husaberg

26th July 2020, 14:34

https://politicalpunchline.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/trump-supporter-twisted-logic.pnghttps://www.liveabout.com/thmb/0gd87p6AfAPcm2A09xTvJscXKmM=/640x481/filters:no_upscale():max_bytes(150000):strip_icc()/trump-america-great-hate-56dfa0535f9b5854a9f6c884.jpghttps://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQR4fi9jMuGa4CjP1gToGP9aIH2JuJ YBvxLtA&usqp=CAUhttps://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/81EStClFSLL._AC_SY355_.jpg

pritch

26th July 2020, 21:22

Rick Wilson discusses the 'chemo' that the Republican Party needs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmRsAmSeDOs

TheDemonLord

27th July 2020, 09:04

It is the opera performers you have to watch for Pritch. According to DL they are communists and they all bring up their children a certain way as well, DL must have the Opera Singers manual on child raising, as he seems to be an expert on the subject. If you want to go to a performing arts college to learn how to sing opera and you are a conservative, you will be shit out of luck, only socialists and communists are accepted. :laugh:

There's multiple ways to deal with this.

Let's go with Linguistically to start with: Where does the term 'Liberal' (that being the Americanism for a staunch Left-wing voter) come from? One the etymologies is that people who earned degrees in the Liberal Arts had a noticeable political bent, to the point that it was so noticeable that Liberal became a synonym for that political position.

Then let's bring up psychologically: People in the Arts world by nature have to be high in openness and creativity - they want to try new things and to be a good artist, you have to try new things, to push boundaries etc. Wanna take a guess as to which 2 personality traits most accurately predict a left-wing political stance?

Then we can go with Anecdotally: Think of any TV Show that features heavily either the Performance Arts or Creative Arts - I can bet you won't find any MAGA hat wearing staunch conservatives - but you WILL find people who are only to happy to openly espouse their far-left viewpoints. Whether it be something like Skin Wars, Ru Pauls Drag Race or something like The Big Flower Fight.

Then we can look at things like: Coachella, Burning Man and other similar festivals - How many of the performers do you think will be Trump voters? And then ask how many Hammer and Sickle or Socialist Fist icons you spot - I'll give you a hint, one vastly outweighs the other/

Then we can look at the likes of what commentary prominent Performance Artists say: The majority of Hollywood actors regularly espouse left-wing and far-left ideals, JK Rowling, Lilly Allen, Rage against the Machine etc. etc.

Then we can go Personally: The performance Artist crowd, I used to (and to a limited extent) still do roll in these circles - although the overwhelming air of constant politics does make it harder these days - Many of my dearest friends are in that milieu and I can assure you, all of them have Politics that are very Left.

Back to your original critique:

If someone:

- Wears a T-Shirt that supports certain Political ideologies
- Works in an industry that has a definitive political sympathy
- Makes major life choices based on that Political Ideology
- Allows their child to take part in world-wide activism based on that Political Ideology and
- Allows their child to accept assistance and services from other people who are also promoting that same Political Ideology

You are asserting that because I do not know every single microcosm of their life, that my judgement (based on the weight of evidence of their actions) is false.

Of course, you are allowed to hold that opinion - I do not begrudge you for it, however if it walks like a Duck, Flies like a Duck, Swims like a Duck and Quacks like a Duck - the preponderance of evidence suggests... You've got a Duck.

pritch

27th July 2020, 09:12

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/07/26/leaf-blower-wars-how-portland-protesters-are-fighting-back-against-tear-gas-forming-walls-veterans-lawyers-nurses/

pritch

27th July 2020, 09:19

] however if it walks like a Duck, Flies like a Duck, Swims like a Duck and Quacks like a Duck - the preponderance of evidence suggests... You've got a Duck.

If you are going to quote somebody do them the honour of quoting them correctly. It would also be polite to credit the source.

Having said that, it's a rare breed would quote an arsehole like McCarthy and expect to be taken seriously.

TheDemonLord

27th July 2020, 09:35

If you are going to quote somebody do them the honour of quoting them correctly. It would also be polite to credit the source.

Having said that, it's a rare breed would quote an arsehole like McCarthy and expect to be taken seriously.

I wasn't quoting him specifically, since the phrase has entered common parlance....

However, interesting you raised McCarthy - Widely ridiculed and had many of his claims dismissed as delusions and conspiracy.....

Until the Iron Curtain fell and proved many of his Claims to be true.

Which brings us back to you and I - you scoff at me in the same way that you scoff at McCarthy and for the same reason(s).

Time proved McCarthy righteous, which should make you wonder about what that means for You and I.

sugilite

27th July 2020, 11:11

If you are going to quote somebody do them the honour of quoting them correctly. It would also be polite to credit the source.

Having said that, it's a rare breed would quote an arsehole like McCarthy and expect to be taken seriously.

DL needs to just let me go. :laugh:
I'm a kinda do, or do not guy. With him being the only person (ever) on my ignore list - I won't be bothering to click on the "view post" link on any of his verbal diarrhea. It will be just the same old defend his position at all costs to a VERY flimsy premise.
His posts only look cohesive and conclusive to a party of one - DL himself. :rolleyes:

TheDemonLord

27th July 2020, 11:14

DL needs to just let me go. :laugh:
I'm a kinda do, or do not guy. With him being the only person (ever) on my ignore list - I won't be bothering to click on the "view post" link on any of his verbal diarrhea. It will be just the same old defend his position at all costs to a VERY flimsy premise.
His posts only look cohesive and conclusive to a party of one - DL himself. :rolleyes:

I only reply when you reference me.

So tell me, who needs to let whom go?

pritch

27th July 2020, 12:03

With him being the only person (ever) on my ignore list - I won't be bothering to click on the "view post" link

The ignore list is a great thing. I used to have just two people on it: Cassina and Jason. They have since been joined by a few kindred spirits.

As a result life is subsequently relatively tranquil.

jasonu

27th July 2020, 12:56

sugilite

27th July 2020, 15:46

The ignore list is a great thing. I used to have just two people on it: Cassina and Jason. They have since been joined by a few kindred spirits.

As a result life is subsequently relatively tranquil.
He still at it isn't he? :laugh:
The only thing I query about the forum software itself, is why notify you when a person on your ignore list quotes you?

onearmedbandit

27th July 2020, 15:48

He still at it isn't he? :laugh:
The only thing I query about the forum software itself, is why notify you when a person on your ignore list quotes you?

So you are aware that someone (even if they are on your ignore list) has quoted what you said in a public forum.

TheDemonLord

27th July 2020, 16:12

He still at it isn't he? :laugh:
The only thing I query about the forum software itself, is why notify you when a person on your ignore list quotes you?

Well, if you keep referencing me, I'll keep quoting you.

If you want me to stop, it's simple - uphold your end of the implied bargain of ignoring someone - don't reference me or invoke me.

sugilite

27th July 2020, 16:41

So you are aware that someone (even if they are on your ignore list) has quoted what you said in a public forum.
Yep, I get it, would be nice to have a tick box option when ignoring someone to unhook notifications from them too, just to keep the inbox cleaner - know this is outside moderator/admin control.

pritch

27th July 2020, 17:18

While all and sundry were watching the goings-on at Portland, Trump got his wall. It's around the White House. I don't think Mexico will pay for this one either.

husaberg

27th July 2020, 18:02

While all and sundry were watching the goings-on at Portland, Trump got his wall. It's around the White House. I don't think Mexico will pay for this one either.

Funny you mention Walls

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOebX099dG4https://nationalviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/donald-trump-quotes-mexico.jpg
https://i2.wp.com/picsdownloadz.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Funny-Donald-trump-True-Facts-Hilarious-Funny-memes-Quotes-Pics.jpg[/IMG[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Percent_of_Hispanic_and_Latino_population_by_state _in_2012.svg/1920px-Percent_of_Hispanic_and_Latino_population_by_state _in_2012.svg.png
https://pics.me.me/breaking-mexico-has-sent-its-first-down-payment-for-the-27252514.png

pritch

27th July 2020, 21:38

That pic might be from the last time his wall fell over. The clips showing the current one were taken in obvious hurricane conditions.

Since the stable genius has managed to build just three miles of new wall in over three years, any that falls over subtracting from that laughably insignificant total is significant. He really can't do anything right but we shouldn't be surprised, he bankrupted casinos, he's special.

sugilite

27th July 2020, 21:56

So this is the second time I have seen the evil Greta Thunberg. The first time was the big speech where she spent a lot of time screwing her face up and growling.
This version was much more relaxed.
I can see why DL was slamming her - she cares about the planet and peoples future, gave away a million dollars she received for a prize to outfits she feels will better humanity. Sheer evil commie for sure - World beware! :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Brtog4AABBg

Now contrast this with that stable genius Trump, who has been telling everyone that will listen - whether they want to or not that utilizing his towering intellect, he can remember 3 related things "person, woman man", AND another 2 related things "camera, TV". Well hoooooly fuck!!! That is amazing!!!! And according to him, that is what the stunned Doctors said. They were amazed he passed what is designed as a dementia test. Frankly, I'm amazed he passed too :devil2: Impressive Mr Prettydense, impressive :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4u6HagT6_I

husaberg

27th July 2020, 22:57

So this is the second time I have seen the evil Greta Thunberg. The first time was the big speech where she spent a lot of time screwing her face up and growling.
This version was much more relaxed.
I can see why DL was slamming her - she cares about the planet and peoples future, gave away a million dollars she received for a prize to outfits she feels will better humanity. Sheer evil commie for sure - World beware! :laugh:

Now contrast this with that stable genius Trump, who has been telling everyone that will listen - whether they want to or not that utilizing his towering intellect, he can remember 3 related things "person, woman man", AND another 2 related things "camera, TV". Well hoooooly fuck!!! That is amazing!!!! And according to him, that is what the stunned Doctors said. They were amazed he passed what is designed as a dementia test. Frankly, I'm amazed he passed too :devil2: Impressive Mr Prettydense, impressive :laugh:

have you seen Trump bragging about the simple cognitive test, our kitten did one last night and scored the same as Trump So chance's are even karen could likely pass.

jasonu

28th July 2020, 02:28

It must be bad, even CNN are calling them rioters.
https://ktvz.com/news/oregon-northwest/2020/07/26/portland-rioters-breach-fence-around-federal-courthouse-more-arrests/

TheDemonLord

28th July 2020, 09:27

I can see why DL was slamming her - she cares about the planet and peoples future, gave away a million dollars she received for a prize to outfits she feels will better humanity. Sheer evil commie for sure - World beware! :laugh:

edit: And still you invoke me...

To outfits? Unless my ears deceive me - she said she donated it to 'Her Foundation', and hither come the faint whiff of departed rodent.

I'm slamming her because she is being heralded as the Environmental equivalent of Joan of Arc, she believes she has the right to lecture the entire world when she has not even had to be responsible for her own existence nor suffered the consequences of her proposed 'solutions'

Is she an Evil Commie? Well - let's take a look at her own words:

"If solutions within this system are so difficult to find then maybe we should change the system itself"

'Change the system' - I've heard that somewhere (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Revolution) else (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_Communist_Revolution) before (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitol_Hill_Autonomous_Zone)

"Capitalism is destroying the Planet"

So, we need to change the system entirely and we need to get rid of Capitalism.... something (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bolivarian_Revolution) really (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge) familiar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/August_Revolution)....

Is she Evil? Well, if she thinks Capitalism is bad and wants to replace it with something else (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism), then yeah - She is either Evil or Ignorant.

Given her age, I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt and saying she probably doesn't know the evils that always happen in every Communist revolution.

I'll leave you with one final thought - Remember the Black Lives Matter Riots happening in the US? BLM that is an explicitly Marxist organisation, BLM that took over an entire city Block and in 3 weeks went through all the stages of a Communist shit-hole:

- Glorious Revolution
- Rise of a Warlord/Dictator
- Armed 'secret' police conducting summary beatdowns and several murders with impunity
- Total collapse and failure

And to add to that, unlike most other revolutions where there was pre-existing levels of poverty, oppression and other things - this happened in the US, with first-world infrastructure, tools, equipment etc. All the things that are often cited as a 'reason' for the inevitable failure, weren't an issue... In fact, it seems to have accelerated the rate at which the system was doomed to failure.

But above all that - there's one final and sobering thought, as to the true Evilness of Communism - Remember what BLM's stated objection is - the killing of African Americans by the US Government - so when BLM and their 'supporters' got into power - what did it look like?

100% of the people murdered were Black.
100% of the people who did the killing were White.

Black.
Lives.
Matter.
Indeed.

pritch

28th July 2020, 10:49

sugilite

28th July 2020, 11:21

Trump has always been backward. He paid a friend to sit his SAT, (the US scholastic assessment test to gain entry to university). He has told all of his former schools that he will take legal action if they release any of his records. As any stable genius would.

This backward trend is evident in his life as president; many more people have seen his wife's boobs than have seen his tax returns.

Oh, and in the middle of a raging pandemic Melanie wants to reorganise the White House rose garden. It's all about priorities of course.

You are so on the button there Pritch.
This guy is so naturally boastful that he has been prancing around for more than a week professing to have passed an exam that simply tests for dementia. :pinch:
If his school records were anything worth showing, everyone would of received a copy of them with their stimulus checks.
Same goes for his tax records.
US banks had stopped lending to him, hardly a glowing endorsement of his sparkling business acumen.
Now I admit this is just at best a guess, I strongly feel that the tax returns will show he owes Russians money, which of course, had that information come out would of excluded him from the job he is so shit at.
But he continues to be the "man" that the likes of DL continue to support right to the hilt. It would seem that these enamored Trump supporters have had their heads buried in the sand for so long that that their anuses have evolved to include vocal cords. :laugh:

TheDemonLord

28th July 2020, 11:36

But he continues to be the "man" that the likes of DL continue to support right to the hilt. It would seem that these enamored Trump supporters have had their heads buried in the sand for so long that that their anuses have evolved to include vocal cords. :laugh:

That depends on what your definition of 'The Man' is.

For me, it's refusing to Kowtow to the radical Left-Wing that infests the Media, the Universities, the Democrat party etc.

There are others such as Ben Shapiro who whilst stating he will be voting for Trump is ruthless in his critique of Trump.

pritch

28th July 2020, 11:57

he has been prancing around for more than a week professing to have passed an exam that simply tests for dementia.

I did post a copy of the Montreal Cognitive Test on KB. That's the memory test Trump could not remember the name of. Then again he did the test a couple of years ago. Why he's banging on about it now only God knows.

That was back when Admiral Ronny Johnson was the White House Doctor. Before allegations of Johnson's misconduct and mismanagement surfaced. Now, despite the allegations, Admiral Johnson is running for congress as a Republican. He will probably win, 'cause Texas y'all.

A doctor with the nickname 'Candyman'? Gee I wonder what that means.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/12/09/ex-white-house-doctor-allegedly-known-candyman-is-running-congress-texas/

pritch

28th July 2020, 12:29

Latest from the Lincoln Project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlmHVtVIJdU

pritch

28th July 2020, 16:42

Aaaand the latest from the fantasy world of Trump.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-yankees-pitch-anthony-fuaci_n_5f1f83d0c5b6945e6e3eb56d

pritch

28th July 2020, 22:30

"Highly trained," he said.

TheDemonLord

29th July 2020, 11:48

"Highly trained," he said.

"We need better trained cops!"
"We need to defund the cops!"

sugilite

29th July 2020, 18:15

"Highly trained," he said.
How much training does a thug need I guess.
They are not even police, even though they have the word police on their uniforms. The most truthful label would be "Thugs For Trump".
See they are pouring more and more thugs in to Portland, and the protests are getting larger and larger - fucking slow learners this Trump administration.

Prettydense Trump is going for a President of "law and order" label, what he is achieving more and more by the day is a Pretttdense of "totally out of control".

See Trumps personal lawyer Barr was in front of Congress today, and when asked why he felt the need to thugerize the Black Lives matters protesters but leave completely alone the swastika flag waving, gun toting nazis that Trump had dog whistled up to protest the Democrat Governors virus lock downs - Barr had no answer. Fancy that.

Katman

29th July 2020, 18:27

Well I'm enjoying watching America crumble anyway.

sugilite

29th July 2020, 18:51

Well I'm enjoying watching America crumble anyway.

While I cannot say I'm enjoying it as I have family over there, I am stunned at the speed of the decay. It is very sobering to see just how fast a great nation can turn to chaos and destruction.

sugilite

29th July 2020, 19:00

More action from Bill Barr in congress today. Check out just how corrupt this prick is.... If you don't like the messenger, just watch the footage showing Barr.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvN7C0x_Dr0

pritch

29th July 2020, 19:19

I saw clips of Barr, couldn't bring myself to watch it all.

More interestingly saw an explanation of what Trump is doing and why. He has mentioned sending his brownshirts to Albuquerque as well as Portland and Chicago. Albuquerque is an interesting choice, there is no rioting or out of control crime there. It is a "sanctuary city" though. Trump just lost his Supreme Court case against the sanctuary cities and it was felt by the former Republican official I was watching that the deployment of his stormtroopers is him seeking vengeance for his court loss.

That seems crazy, but it's no more crazy than anything else he does.

Today at his press conference he commented that a doctor was impressive, she was saying among other things that masks were unnecessary. Apparently she also believes that some diseases are caused by people having sex with demons while they sleep, and that some drugs are obtained by using the DNA of aliens. When these additional details were provided he decided he knew nothing about her, and he walked out of the press conference.

Then there was his riff on people liking Dr Fauci but not him. This caused him to wonder if people didn't like his personality. Ya think?

Sadly the relevant clips haven't made it to YouTube yet.

pritch

29th July 2020, 19:35

Here's one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0JZbsJdFIU

The other is herein:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrwOvap7uLo

Katman

29th July 2020, 20:21

While I cannot say I'm enjoying it as I have family over there, I am stunned at the speed of the decay. It is very sobering to see just how fast a great nation can turn to chaos and destruction.

America has created no end of chaos and destruction around the world for decades now.

If anyone deserves a sizable dose of the same, it's them.

onearmedbandit

29th July 2020, 20:34

America has created no end of chaos and destruction around the world for decades now.

If anyone deserves a sizable dose of the same, it's them.

On my (granted only two) trips to America I had a great time, met some great people. But I can't help but agree with your sentiment. Their political and financial power has had disastrous impact across the world.

Laava

29th July 2020, 21:22

Their massive outsourcing is one example of shit coming home to roost. Famously showcased by the Orange Buffoons MAGA hats, made in china.

husaberg

29th July 2020, 22:28

America has created no end of chaos and destruction around the world for decades now.

If anyone deserves a sizable dose of the same, it's them.

Only problem is that entirely hypocritical statement to make, even for you, especially given your incessant moaning about the innocent victims of tyrannical regimes being killed in fighting.

I'm sure those 500,000 children would have loved to have the opportunity of hearing you say that.
Exactly how are the innocent children of the USA different than the citizens of Afghanistan or Syria or iraq.

Katman

30th July 2020, 07:01

Only problem is that entirely hypocritical statement to make, even for you, especially given your incessant moaning about the innocent victims of tyrannical regimes being killed in fighting.

I'm loving the Karen reference.

Do you ever have any original ideas?

I suppose they do say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

sugilite

30th July 2020, 07:28

Prettydense Trump retweets and then defends Doctor advocating hydroxychloroquine. The same doctor in the past has also posted that doctors are using alien DNA to treat people among many other bizarre claims. So a solid source for Trumpdidoo. When called out on it, he ran away from his press conference :laugh:
Oh, he is back flipping on masks again. What a turd. <_<

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12352079

husaberg

30th July 2020, 07:49

I'm Karen

How about you address your hypocrisy over the faux concerns you so often claim to have about innocent parties.
Are you just going to try and avoid discussing that again with your next 20 troll answers.

TheDemonLord

30th July 2020, 09:13

It's funny - the people who despise Trump and support the protestors...

It's not Trump you should be worried about, it's the person who comes AFTER Trump

Viking01

30th July 2020, 09:23

It's not Trump you should be worried about, it's the person who comes AFTER Trump

Because ? Come on. At least throw us a bone.

Katman

30th July 2020, 09:24

How about you address your hypocrisy over the faux concerns you so often claim to have about innocent parties.

How about you find yourself another hobby that isn't me.

mashman

30th July 2020, 09:43

Because ? Come on. At least throw us a bone.

Because the ones that came before Trump were just as corrupt, albeit they had a little more charisma. That's how the game works. Different leader, same leaders.

pritch

30th July 2020, 09:47

From this morning's Congressional hearing. Mr Sensenbrenner, R, Wi, proves why he isn't even qualified to be in the discussion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4waN3LvkLFE

TheDemonLord

30th July 2020, 10:01

Because ? Come on. At least throw us a bone.

When the majority gets sick and tired of violent revolutionary communists burning down their cities - do you think they are going to elect a moderate candidate or do you think they are going to push back even harder at the undermining of their Country, their Ideals etc?

Trump should be viewed as a warning shot across the bow, that the majority are unhappy with the move to the radical left...

Viking01

30th July 2020, 10:51

When the majority gets sick and tired of violent revolutionary communists burning down their cities - do you think they are going to elect a moderate candidate or do you think they are going to push back even harder at the undermining of their Country, their Ideals etc?

Trump should be viewed as a warning shot across the bow, that the majority are unhappy with the move to the radical left...

Given that Don is 74 and a little over-weight, what do you think would happen if he just died peacefully in his sleep tonight ?

TheDemonLord

30th July 2020, 11:22

Given that Don is 74 and a little over-weight, what do you think would happen if he just died peacefully in his sleep tonight ?

You'd get Pence....

But that is outside the scope of what I mean - There's a real possibility of someone standing on the same populace ideals that got Trump elected (Being Politically incorrect, refusing to kowtow to the Woke-ariti etc.) but also promising to take a hard-line stance against Rioting, Looting and perhaps 'Un-American activites', then the Radical Left will see the rise of the actual far-right in the inevitable backlash.

Part of me will laugh with glee for it, because they willfully danced down the path of their own destruction
Part of me will weep, because it's likely to have a lot of collateral damage.

The other alternative is that the Populace decide that they have had enough of Violent rioters and decide to fulfill the obligation of the 2nd Amendment, and we've seen hints of this - people arming themselves to defend statues from the Rioters.

The question is, how will the populace split - the Moderate Democrats have been observed tooling themselves up - the stats make for interesting reading - a LOT of first-time Firearm owners (One source I think showed 100+ percent rise in the number of first-time firearm owners) and a lot of people who have previously advocated for Firearm restrictions or simply held that Firearm ownership isn't for them.

Just like Ken and Karen Chadbro - the lifelong middle-class Democrat voter is starting to realise that the Communist Mob WILL come for them too, and that puts them allied with the traditional Republican voter.

Katman

30th July 2020, 11:28

Part of me will weep, because it's likely to have a lot of collateral damage.

Do you only weep over collateral damage when it's inflicted upon Americans?

TheDemonLord

30th July 2020, 11:54

Do you only weep over collateral damage when it's inflicted upon Americans?

I didn't specify to what degree or how much.

It's about the same as the part that weeps for other innocent people (in Middle Eastern countries).

pritch

30th July 2020, 12:25

Given that Don is 74 and a little over-weight, what do you think would happen if he just died peacefully in his sleep tonight ?

"If he dies before I wake
Please don't let the news be fake"

pritch

30th July 2020, 12:38

Trump had another of his friendly private chats with Putin. He says he didn't raise the subject of Russia placing a bounty on coalition forces in Afghanistan, they talked about other things.

What other things? Another favour for Putin.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53589245

sugilite

30th July 2020, 13:54

Actually, fair enough - Barr should release the report asap. In a really fair World, Trump would release his tax returns too.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/doug-collins-release-durham-report-before-election

husaberg

30th July 2020, 14:43

How about you find yourself another hobby that isn't me.

So you are running with the i dont have to address the obvious hypocrisy of your posts, as you are to narcissistic to admit it routine again, How original of you.

I
Do you ever have any original ideas?
I suppose they do say imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Also, get a hobby that isnt me.
Hypocrisy
Karen 2 the rest of the world zero
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/KeySolidBluejay-max-1mb.gif

FJRider

30th July 2020, 15:05

So you are running with the i dont have to address the obvious hypocrisy of your posts, as you are to narcissistic to admit it routine again ...

YOU are hardly in a position to make such accusations ... your reputation (of doing exactly that) precedes you ... ;)

sugilite

30th July 2020, 15:19

Meanwhile at fox and fawners

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy7pbJ2jvMo

jasonu

30th July 2020, 15:55

YOU are hardly in a position to make such accusations ... your reputation (of doing exactly that) precedes you ... ;)

and then some...

Viking01

30th July 2020, 17:24

Three articles on populism in the US: A little bit of history

https://theanalysis.news/uncategorized/thomas-frank-on-populism/

pritch

31st July 2020, 09:56

Trump has suggested delaying the US election. This had been predicted and when Barr was questioned about it in the Congressional inquiry the other day he mumbled about "the law" but he didn't answer the question.

Apparently the constitution and the US Code are very detailed and specific. The election must be held on the Tuesday following the first Monday in November.

The inauguration date is somewhat less carved in stone, but Trump's term in office ends at noon on the 20th January. At that point, if there has not been an election, the speaker of the house assumes the position until there is an election.

All hail President Pelosi?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/07/30/trumps-suggestion-delay-election-is-most-anti-democratic-thing-any-president-ever-said/?hpid=hp_save-opinions-float-right-4-0_opinion-card-a-right%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

TheDemonLord

31st July 2020, 10:05

Viking01

31st July 2020, 11:50

Ah Don, you little trickster. I didn't see that one coming.

Just as the US Covid-related death toll hits 150K and the latest quarterly US GDP figures are released (-32.9%), out comes still another rabbit from the hat ("we have to delay the election because of Covid").

That should keep the "chattering classes" going for another day or two.

I'd take my hat off to you, but then my rabbits might escape.

pritch

31st July 2020, 12:15

Trump has certainly generated a reaction, for the first time Republicans have come out against him, including Lindsey Graham and Dick Cheney's daughter. A prominent, hitherto pro Trump law professor Calibresi, has demanded his immediate impeachment and removal.

Pompeo and Barr are backing Trump so the final whistle is some way off.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/30/opinion/trump-delay-election-coronavirus.html

Viking01

31st July 2020, 14:16

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TogbPPyQQM

husaberg

31st July 2020, 17:26

Two weeks ago the president was insisting that all schools had to reopen, or he would take away their funding
Now hes suggesting to delay an election...........

This video here from the BBC is worth watch South Korea Vs USA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NTsBJLU1nk
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53532880

USA death Toll Covid 19 now exceed their serviceman deaths from by nearly 1 1/2 times of the total of the
104000 wars vs 154000 Covid
Korean war 40,000
Vietnam war 58,200
Iraq wars 3836
Afghanistan 1833

Kickaha

31st July 2020, 18:10

All hail President Pelosi?

That would be so awesome just for the comedy value alone

pritch

1st August 2020, 09:23

They don't take long...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhscswJudYM

pritch

1st August 2020, 12:57

The rats are leaving the sinking ship. Toooooo late!

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/31/politics/senate-mcconnell-trump-firewall/index.html

husaberg

1st August 2020, 14:55

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EWY5LTnXsAIcMPK?format=jpg&name=smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eb3mrazXkAAqZ_Q?format=jpg&name=smallhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVgx6S9UYAAYLaS?format=jpg&name=small

pritch

1st August 2020, 16:41

Trump likes to think he has the support of veterans. Not these ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUy7r6LMqoA

sugilite

2nd August 2020, 18:43

Time to get in some quick corruption before the big eject.

https://youtu.be/cUgOq96Yjuw

I really hope he does dig in and not accept the landslide defeat heading his way. Seeing federal forces hauling him out on a walk of shame, preferably in handcuffs, is going to be entertainment gold.
Once the dems get full control of the house and senate, Trump better get used to handcuffs. So should invanka, jared, trump jr and very possibly barr.
Will the dems abuse the ultimate power coming their way? Without a doubt.
Will there be an avalanche of far right wing snowflakes? Oh yes there will.
The cupcakes will need to suck it up, because the moment they put Trump in power, this is the inevitable conclusion. Hope you far right wing provocateurs enjoyed it while it lasted, because for you, winter is coming, and it will be a very long and dark one.

Katman

2nd August 2020, 18:54

I really hope he does dig in and not accept the landslide defeat heading his way.

I'll preface this comment by saying - I have no opinion on whether Trump will or won't (or even deserves to) win this election.

But you better hope that he doesn't.

Because if he does, you are going to end up looking too stupid for words.

sugilite

2nd August 2020, 19:13

I'll preface this comment by saying - I have no opinion on whether Trump will or won't (or even deserves to) win this election.

But you better hope that he doesn't.

Because if he does, you are going to end up looking too stupid for words.
And fair enough, and I would own it. My sparodic squabbles with bonez already make me look pretty stupid, as do yours with Husa.

I know the Trump supporters point to the polls in 2016 as getting it wrong. The difference here in 2020 is that unlike in 2016 where the polls were like a roller coaster, sometimes from day to day, this year they are very stable with Trump losing ever more points to Biden with each one.

Katman

2nd August 2020, 20:32

And fair enough, and I would own it. My sparodic squabbles with bonez already make me look pretty stupid, as do yours with Husa.

I know the Trump supporters point to the polls in 2016 as getting it wrong. The difference here in 2020 is that unlike in 2016 where the polls were like a roller coaster, sometimes from day to day, this year they are very stable with Trump losing ever more points to Biden with each one.

Regardless of who wins the election, America's political system is increasingly being seen for the complete farce it has become.

And Biden's not likely to change that.

sugilite

2nd August 2020, 20:51

Regardless of who wins the election, America's political system is increasingly being seen for the complete farce it has become.

And Biden's not likely to change that.
And i agree with that too.
Once the dems are in i will be commenting on their bullshit just as i do Trumps.
Just not as regularly, as with Trump it was drama every day.

pritch

2nd August 2020, 21:39

And i agree with that too.
Once the dems are in i will be commenting on their bullshit just as i do Trumps.
Just not as regularly, as with Trump it was drama every day.

Some of the US legal podcasts I listen to have concerns about the precedents being established under Trump. He has moved things on in the courts in a negative way and there's no going back. The new precedents set are now the standard and will be applied in future court cases.

The US political system worked on a system of trust, the assumption was that people wouldn't want to look bad. Some presidents pushed the boundaries. Trump has completely ignored them.

Because of the pandemic postal voting would be a safer option. Trump recently replaced the Postmaster General with a big donor to his campaign. Postal deliveries have slowed dramatically and staff are reporting that there have been instructions to slow down further. Partly presumably to manage the votes in the election, and partly to justify selling the postal service off.

Tough on people who get medication through the mail. It must have been a big donation though because the new Postmaster General's wife is to be ambassador to Canada.

The staff who work at polling places tend to be senior citizens. People in this at risk group are reluctant to make themselves available during a pandemic. The Democrats need to be awake, it has already been suggested that there be less polling places and it's not hard to guess where they'll be.

One thing the greatest nation on earth can't do is hold an honest election. They really do need UN observers.

pritch

2nd August 2020, 22:27

Ah yes. It'll be good to have a businessman in charge they said. Never mind his six bankruptcies. How do you have six bankruptcies?

Like this:

https://www.rawstory.com/2020/08/revealed-trump-wasted-half-a-billion-on-10000-ventilators-that-wont-arrive-until-september-2022/#.XyZ9Jr9vtH4.twitter

jasonu

3rd August 2020, 05:56

Time to get in some quick corruption before the big eject.

https://youtu.be/cUgOq96Yjuw

the landslide defeat heading his way.

That is a very brave prediction.

sugilite

3rd August 2020, 10:14

That is a very brave prediction.
Yeah, and I'm the first to put up my hand and say I have gone from one extreme to another and now back again.
The only way I will be wrong that I can see is 3 possible ways.
1. Trump manages to do a good job between now and the election (unlikely)
2. The democrats find a new creative way to shoot themselves in the foot (entirely possible)
3. Trumps and his administration are much better at voter suppression than I give them credit for (also entirely possible)

So yeah, if Trump pulls off one of the above, I'll look like a loser and a bit of a twat.
But you know who the real losers will be if a 2nd term emboldened Trump gets back in? You and your fellow citizens.

pritch

3rd August 2020, 12:38

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9NJa1b2hFo

husaberg

3rd August 2020, 13:14

Off the same feed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtgzVARrPu4

TheDemonLord

3rd August 2020, 13:57

But you know who the real losers will be if a 2nd term emboldened Trump gets back in?

The Democrats?

Viking01

3rd August 2020, 14:00

https://truthout.org/articles/trumps-lawyers-contradict-his-false-claims-on-mail-in-voting/

sugilite

3rd August 2020, 14:12

This one is very apt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TogbPPyQQM

pritch

3rd August 2020, 15:32

https://truthout.org/articles/trumps-lawyers-contradict-his-false-claims-on-mail-in-voting/

The law says the election will be held on the Tuesday following the first Monday in November. That's carved in stone.

Trump's concerns about the election dragging on for months are unjustified. Either he wins or he's out at noon on the 20th January, no matter what.

There are actually discussions currently taking place in the corridors of power about who will drag Trump out of the White House if he refuses to leave. US Marines? Secret Service? Or Congressional Police? He is aware of the discussions apparently.

But OK he's going to ban TikTok. Although that too has constitutional implications.

pritch

3rd August 2020, 17:35

Before America was about Trump it was about mom and apple pie. So the stable genius attacked the moms. We await his assault on apple pies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwaklEmDn_0

pritch

4th August 2020, 09:42

sugilite

4th August 2020, 10:47

When I get my phone off the charger in the morning the screen has several news clips. The first one today is as follows:

"The Manhattan DA cited 'extensive and protracted criminal conduct at the Trump organisation' as justification to obtain Trump's tax returns."

Trump's lawyers are making the case that the subpoena is over broad. They are making that case on the basis of the "hush money" payments to Trump's 'mistresses'.

The DA's office noted that their probe is more broad and is additionally related to bank and insurance fraud by the Trump Organisation and its officers.

That's a good start to the day for me, if not for Trump.

The likes of DL will be along to tell you soon how it is all a beat up and that nice honest Mr Trump is being victimized. Isn't it amazing that is does not matter how much smoke is billowing out at epic levels, with these guys there is never a fire generating said smoke!
With the amount of corruption going on in plain site, one can only guess how much the Trumps are gutting the system from the inside.
Time will tell.

TheDemonLord

4th August 2020, 11:01

The likes of DL will be along to tell you soon how it is all a beat up and that nice honest Mr Trump is being victimized. Isn't it amazing that is does not matter how much smoke is billowing out at epic levels, with these guys there is never a fire generating said smoke!
With the amount of corruption going on in plain site, one can only guess how much the Trumps are gutting the system from the inside.
Time will tell.

It's not like we haven't got a litany of dubious allegations made by politicized entities in a blatant effort to take down Trump.
It's not like they repeatedly lose or the 'Smoking Gun' that they tout turns out to be nothing more than a water pistol.
It's not like we haven't been here before, with bold claims, a furor whipped up by CNN, MSNBC et al, cries of corruption, illegal activity etc. that all fail miserably.

I don't need to say anything about Trump to rebut this accusation - He could be as crooked as anything, it doesn't change the fact that this is the next in a long line of blatant attempts by The Democrats (or those heavily aligned with the Democrats) to try and discredit and remove him from office because they can't accept that they lost the election.

And the fact that it's being done from Manhattan, which just so happens to be under the auspices of one Mr Cuomo - That tells me as much as I care to know.

pritch

4th August 2020, 11:16

pritch

4th August 2020, 12:43

The current court case is unusual in that it has already been all the way to the Supreme Court - which sent it back to the lower court. Trump's team have not been having a good day. If they lose they will again likely appeal to the appeals court which has already denied their appeal. Yes, it is getting ridiculous but team Trump is desperate. As always, Trump is playing for time.

If, or more likely, when they lose again, I'd expect that they will make a case that nothing should be done so close to an election. That didn't stop the FBI from reopening an investigation into Hillary's emails a few weeks prior to the election. An investigation which again found nothing, but by then it was too late the damage had been done.

Bonez

4th August 2020, 13:07

The current court case is unusual in that it has already been all the way to the Supreme Court - which sent it back to the lower court. When it went back to the lower court Trump's team again lost. So they have again appealed to the appeals court which has already denied their appeal. Yes, it is getting ridiculous but team Trump is desperate. As always, Trump is playing for time.

If, or more likely, when they lose again, I'd expect that they will make a case that nothing should be done so close to an election. That didn't stop the FBI from reopening an investigation into Hillary's emails a few weeks prior to the election. An investigation which again found nothing, but by then it was too late the damage had been done.Found nothing partly because subpoenaed devices not authorized for official coms were destroyed. Lest we forget...... Or the fact James Comey let her off the hook with out when he was not in a position to do so. Your memory is failing pritch..

pritch

4th August 2020, 18:37

pete376403

4th August 2020, 22:08

A 37 minute interview with trump. Aussie interviewer Jonathon Swan (almost) manages to keep a straight face https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12353763

husaberg

5th August 2020, 00:59

Trump has announced that if he permits Microsoft to take over the American business of TikTok the government would take a cut.

That's not how governments work. That's how the mafia works. Trump would know something about the mob though. The Australian government denied him a casino licence because of his mob connections.

One of trumps casinos got into trouble for laundering money by changing money into chips then claiming it was casino winnings, Ever wonder why the mobs like Casinos.
His dad used to buy chips to bail him out anf balance the books.

Bonez

5th August 2020, 08:19

Found nothing partly because subpoenaed devices not authorized for official coms were destroyed. Lest we forget...... Or the fact James Comey let her off the hook with out when he was not in a position to do so. Your memory is failing pritch..Oh and the courts are still waiting for her to turn up and give her version of events. She refuses to do so.. It's not over pritch by any means.

sugilite

5th August 2020, 08:44

10/10 :whistle:
Haha, I did not even need to dust of the crystal ball for that one :laugh:
Honestly, with using the premise of everything not coming from right wing news site is fake The likes of DL could be in their front yard, and if a CNN reporter were to pass by and say "Bro, your house is on fire", they would turn around and and see the billowing flames and smoke and would say "Oh, fake news, that is just the toast burning in the kitchen." :rolleyes:

Even though patriotic republicans are mobilizing against Trump, the die hard supporters are sucking up every bit of diorama coming out Trumps arse like it's a chocolate fountain at an all you can eat buffet. :lol:

TheDemonLord

5th August 2020, 09:41

Haha, I did not even need to dust of the crystal ball for that one :laugh:
Honestly, with using the premise of everything not coming from right wing news site is fake The likes of DL could be in their front yard, and if a CNN reporter were to pass by and say "Bro, your house is on fire", they would turn around and and see the billowing flames and smoke and would say "Oh, fake news, that is just the toast burning in the kitchen." :rolleyes:

You mean like when MSNBC were standing in front of a burning building during the riots and trying to tell us that it was a peaceful protest?

Poor choice of words my dude.

pritch

5th August 2020, 09:59

A 37 minute interview with trump. Aussie interviewer Jonathon Swan (almost) manages to keep a straight face https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12353763

That interview with Swan made it apparent that Trump was entirely ignorant about postal voting. His position was and has been, absentee voting good, postal voting bad. They are the same thing.

He then went on about dead people getting voting forms, he even trotted out that old tale about the family dog getting voting forms. Swan repeatedly tried to explain these weren't voting forms, they were application forms.

I note this morning that Trump, or more likely one of his staff, has sent a tweet indicating that he now understands these details. We can but hope.

This morning it's all over Twitter that during a televised speech he with the best words mispronounced Yosemite. 'Yo Semite'. The name is a bit tricky and some of us might get it wrong, but an American, the president no less? The ridicule is justified. There are references to the composer Mo Zart, or the painter D Vincey etc etc.

Note: Jonathon Swan has posted a correction so I should repeat it. It seems that while overwhelmingly it is application forma that are posted out, there are a couple of states have posted out voting forms.

pete376403

5th August 2020, 11:58

That interview with Swan made it apparent that Trump was entirely ignorant about postal voting. His position was and has been, absentee voting good, postal voting bad. They are the same thing.

Ignorant about postal voting? Ignorant about most things, it would take less time to list the things he is NOT ignorant about

pritch

6th August 2020, 09:35

These guys know how to press Trump's buttons, and they know how to ensure Trump sees their work. This appears to be another of their ads made for an audience of one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcxt7gUCgKY

pritch

6th August 2020, 09:48

This is interesting. The professor is famous for his system of successfully predicting the outcome of elections and the major news organisations go to him for a story from time to time. This is the first time I have seen him predict a Trump loss. One 'key' to have changed is the civil unrest key.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mp_Uuz9k7Os

TheDemonLord

6th August 2020, 09:55

Viking01

6th August 2020, 10:41

The following article mirrored some feeling about Trumps recent performance:

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/08/05/trumps-alternative/

But maybe Don has a cunning plan, just waiting to be unveiled, which will surprise us all yet again:

https://www.theglobalist.com/united-states-donald-trump-mike-pence-pardon-resignation-joe-biden-bill-barr-2020-us-presidential-elections/

pritch

6th August 2020, 12:17

Except his predication for the 2016 election was wrong.

Perhaps I missed something. Why did Trump send him a congratulatory message for getting it right?

TheDemonLord

6th August 2020, 13:15

Perhaps I missed something. Why did Trump send him a congratulatory message for getting it right?

His Prediction was that Trump would win the Popular vote.

He was correct on Trump winning the Election, but since it's the Popular Vote (and not the overall result) that his model predicts, then it's relevant to point out that he wasn't correct in 2016.

pritch

7th August 2020, 09:26

This ad is being aired on TV in 'battleground' states. It is also being pushed online. It has been produced by a group, 'Republican Vets Against Trump'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUBwxpDfLok

Viking01

7th August 2020, 09:56

This ad is being aired on TV in 'battleground' states. It is also being pushed online. It has been produced by a group, 'Republican Vets Against Trump'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUBwxpDfLok

Humorous in a way, in that Don is not the only US politician who has avoided military duty (certainly since the Vietnam Years). It would surely make a long list.

TheDemonLord

7th August 2020, 10:09

This ad is being aired on TV in 'battleground' states. It is also being pushed online. It has been produced by a group, 'Republican Vets Against Trump'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUBwxpDfLok

Very interesting...

Looking at their website - with a bunch of people with testimonials: https://rvat.org/

I can't help but think, I've seen something Similar, Before (http://patriotsquestion911.com/pilots)

by some very rough maths, on the RVAT website - there's some 500-600 testimonials, not exactly a massive wave of disgruntled former republican voters, more like a drop in the Ocean.

However, looking at their main page: Defending Democracy - I see some interesting patterns in their leadership - all seem to be late 90s to early 2000s era Republicans Aka NeoConservatives - The political landscape has moved on, in a large part to the failed policies of the NeoCons - and now they are upset that they are no longer relevant...

pritch

7th August 2020, 10:26

Humorous in a way, in that Don is not the only US politician who has avoided military duty (certainly since the Vietnam Years). It would surely make a long list.

Prior to Clinton presidents tended to have military experience.

Slick Willy got educational deferments, I don't know how many but he did spend a lot of time at universities including Oxford and Yale Law. He was a Rhodes Scholar after all.

George W was in the Texas Air National Guard during Vietnam which would appear to be as safe a posting as it'd be possible to get at the time. Still, that counts.

Obama had no military experience.

Trump had five draft deferments. The final one being a dodgy bone spurs medical certificate signed by a doctor who was his father's tennant.

Most politicians now have no military experience, although due to their almost continuous wars there are quite a few in Congress who do, including at least two who were wounded in action. Dan Crenshaw (R) lost an eye to an IED while serving as a Navy SEAL officer. Tammy Duckworth (D) a former army Lt Col, lost both legs when an RPG hit the helicopter she was flying. Other vets are currently standing in the upcoming elections.

Viking01

7th August 2020, 17:47

https://sputniknews.com/cartoons/202008061080088771-case-vs-casings/

sugilite

8th August 2020, 11:08

Trump wants Stormy Daniels to take him to thighland :laugh:
https://metro.co.uk/2020/08/06/donald-trump-calls-thailand-thighland-speech-about-washing-machines-13095526/amp/

Viking01

9th August 2020, 08:55

https://sputniknews.com/viral/202008081080103982-joe-says-things-even-people-with-tourettes-go--no-twitter-rofls-over-robin-williams-biden-set/

Do watch both clips

pritch

9th August 2020, 10:00

https://sputniknews.com/viral/202008081080103982-joe-says-things-even-people-with-tourettes-go--no-twitter-rofls-over-robin-williams-biden-set/

Do watch both clips

The choice of Biden as the Democrat party candidate is a concern. The American system does not select the best people. Reading that though it'd pay to bear in mind the source, and consider that the Russians are supporting Trump.

The most recent news I've seen from that direction being that a group of social media sites purporting to be African Americans for Trump were actually run by the GRU.

Viking01

9th August 2020, 10:51

The choice of Biden as the Democrat party candidate is a concern. The American system does not select the best people. Reading that though it'd pay to bear in mind the source, and consider that the Russians are supporting Trump.

The most recent news I've seen from that direction being that a group of social media sites purporting to be Afircan Americans for Trump were actually run by the GRU.

Well, with the Russians supposedly for Trump and the Chinese supposedly against Trumps' re-election, then that should help balance things up ... 8-)

Viking01

9th August 2020, 10:53

And don't come back asking for more .... that's all you're getting .... unlike the banks

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3096618/donald-trump-signs-coronavirus-relief-orders-after

pritch

9th August 2020, 11:35

If it was anybody else you would not believe this, but Trump? Yep, I'm a believer.

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-gov-noem-trumps-desire-carved-into-mt-rushmore-2020-8

Swoop

9th August 2020, 21:49

That pic might be from the last time his wall fell over... Since the stable genius has managed to build just three miles of new wall in over three years...
There is an interesting video on youtube regarding the construction of the new wall sections and they have lots of contractor teams laying miles of fence. Quite interesting how the steel is welded on-site and then concrete filled and allowed to cure, before being lifted into place, welded and concreted into the ground.
"Just 3 miles" isn't true.

It's not Trump you should be worried about, it's the person who comes AFTER Trump
"The Oracle" which predicted Trump's presidency foretold that the President who follows Trump will be... Lisa Simpson.

So the other coffin-dodgers will have to beat The Oracle (The Simpsons).:msn-wink:

husaberg

9th August 2020, 22:02

There is an interesting video on youtube regarding the construction of the new wall sections and they have lots of contractor teams laying miles of fence. Quite interesting how the steel is welded on-site and then concrete filled and allowed to cure, before being lifted into place, welded and concreted into the ground.
"Just 3 miles" isn't true.

:

In September 2019, Trump said he planned to build 450–500 miles of new wall by the end of 2020.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/09/15/president-trump-border-wall-construction-450-miles-2020/2334106001/

In September 2019, Trump said he planned to build 450–500 miles of new wall by the end of 2020.[ As of November 2019, at least 76 miles of existing wall had been replaced or reinforced during Trump's presidency, but no new wall had been completed.
https://www.newsweek.com/cbp-no-new-border-wall-1472077

But yes the US has completed more than 3 miles
but not by much
As of May 2020, only 16 miles out of 194 miles of wall constructed under the Trump administration was not replacement fencing.

That's without the fact that the US tax payers are going to pay for it unlike his promise or the fact because he wanted it painted black its going to cost an extra 3 billion dollars.....

TheDemonLord

11th August 2020, 11:51

Some interesting discussion on Mail-in Ballots between Viva Frei and Barnes Law.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3HRBG4wmHg

sugilite

11th August 2020, 13:25

Trump is keen to get his face on mount Rushmore, apparently there is not enough room on the front as there is not enough stable rock left. He is an unstable president though, so.....
Alternatively, there must be plenty of room around back next to the existing Rushmore presidents arseholes, Trump will be right at home next to those :laugh:
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-on-mount-rushmore/

Viking01

11th August 2020, 13:42

From Wikipedia:

Sculptor Gutzon Borglum created the sculpture's design and oversaw the project's execution from 1927 to 1941 with the help of his son Lincoln Borglum. The sculpture features the 60-foot (18 m) heads of Presidents George Washington (1732–1799), Thomas Jefferson (1743–1826), Theodore Roosevelt (1858–1919), and Abraham Lincoln (1809–1865), as recommended by Borglum. The four presidents were chosen to represent the nation's birth, growth, development, and preservation, respectively.

So, I wonder what Don is going to represent ?

[Edit]

It is sometimes interesting to do some more reading about certain places or events.

In response to the above, I happened upon the following link:

https://truthout.org/articles/trump-thinks-its-a-good-idea-to-add-his-own-face-to-mount-rushmore/

which led on to:

The Great Sioux War of 1876, also known as the Black Hills War, was a series of battles and negotiations which occurred in 1876 and 1877 between the Lakota Sioux, Northern Cheyenne, and the United States. The cause of the war was the desire of the U.S. government to obtain ownership of the Black Hills. Gold had been discovered in the Black Hills, settlers began to encroach onto Native American lands, and the Sioux and Cheyenne refused to cede ownership to the U.S.

Among the many battles and skirmishes of the war was the Battle of the Little Bighorn, often known as Custer's Last Stand, the most storied of the many encounters between the U.S. army and mounted Plains Indians. That Indian victory notwithstanding, the U.S. leveraged national resources to force the Indians to surrender, primarily by attacking and destroying their encampments and property. The Great Sioux War took place under the presidencies of Ulysses S. Grant and Rutherford B. Hayes. The Agreement of 1877 (19 Stat. 254, enacted February 28, 1877) officially annexed Sioux land and permanently established Indian reservations.

Laava

11th August 2020, 13:48

The demise, obvs!

pritch

11th August 2020, 16:27

"Just 3 miles" isn't true.

I think it likely that it was true when they wrote it. There may be a bit more now but it's still an insignificant amount. Repairing old wall doesn't count as new wall. Well, for Trump it might, but not in reality.

sugilite

11th August 2020, 20:38

How do we know Trump supporters are thick as 2 planks? Because he needs to explain stuff to them like in the video below :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uUyiE0fzJ4

pete376403

11th August 2020, 21:16

And trump also claimed that the Spanish Flu pandemic of 1918 ended the Second World War. Another one of those things that nobody knows.

pzkpfw

12th August 2020, 09:25

He also started the 1918 pandemic in 1917.

sugilite

12th August 2020, 19:39

Crikey, when the orange one passes over, the knowledge the World will be losing!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5GqJna9hpTE

pete376403

12th August 2020, 19:43

Joe Bennetts column in the DomPost this morning: https://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/opinion/122407625/predicting-the-future-course-of-the-us-election-campaign - quote "That is verbatim. I've added nothing except punctuation. Hurt the Bible? Hurt God? This is the language level of a snot-eating 4-year-old. The current tenant of the Oval Office belongs in syntactical kindergarten."

HenryDorsetCase

13th August 2020, 07:32

"hurt god"? LOL - you cannot hurt what does not exist. Remember folks "what may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence".

pritch

13th August 2020, 09:10

Coupla things from overnight our time. Rush Limbaugh had a stand in doing his RWNJ show. During the show it was claimed that Trump is extremely physically fit. How Trump attains this enviable state was not mentioned. Was it while he is lying in bed eating hamberders? Or is it during the two hours every morning he spends on hair and make up before he comes down to work at 11.00AM.

The Republicans are attacking Democrat VP pick Kamala Harris for not being black. Her father was Jamaican, mother was from India. Levin on his show claimed there is no history of slavery in her family. Perhaps he thinks all those Africans went to Jamaica for their holidays.

Other RWNJs are pointing out that her ancestors were slave owners. Many black people in the US and Caribbean have ancestors who were slave owners. Not that their female ancestors had any say in the events that lead to that situation.

Even after years of Trump the stupidity is still astounding.

TheDemonLord

13th August 2020, 09:39

The Republicans are attacking Democrat VP pick Kamala Harris for not being black. Her father was Jamaican, mother was from India. Levin on his show claimed there is no history of slavery in her family. Perhaps he thinks all those Africans went to Jamaica for their holidays.

Other RWNJs are pointing out that her ancestors were slave owners. Many black people in the US and Caribbean have ancestors who were slave owners. Not that their female ancestors had any say in the events that lead to that situation.

So, when left-wing activists do it, it's perfectly reasonable.

But when someone who is supposedly Conservative does it - that makes them a Right Wing Nut Job.

There's 2 issues here: Firstly - it's never reasonable to do it. And secondly the 'critique' from the Conservative side isn't that they believe these ideas it's that they are pointing out the Hypocrisy that the Democrats are failing to judge themselves by the same standards that they judge everyone else.

pritch

14th August 2020, 09:44

The new Trump appointed Postmaster General has banned overtime, tripled the price of mailing voting forms. The staff have been told to 'trash' all postal ballots and the postal inspectors who were considered uncorruptable have reportedly been fired. It would seem Trump has successfully killed postal voting.

The Democrats can see what's happening, finally. Interferring with the US Mail is federal crime, but Trump has that covered with Barr in charge of the justice system.

Because of the pandemic there is a shortage of people to staff the polling places, so unless there is a massive campaign to get young people to staff the polling places there will be a shortage. Voting in the US has always been a shambles but this looks likely to cross the line between difficult and impossible.

And the Senators have gone home for six weeks.

pzkpfw

14th August 2020, 10:15

The new Trump appointed Postmaster General has banned overtime, tripled the price of mailing voting forms. The staff have been told to 'trash' all postal ballots and the postal inspectors who were considered uncorruptable have reportedly been fired. It would seem Trump has successfully killed postal voting.
...

And trashing mail sorting machines: https://news.yahoo.com/usps-shutting-down-mail-sorting-174032640.html

Edit: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300082217/donald-trump-admits-opposing-post-service-bailout-to-block-voting-by-mail

"There's nothing wrong with getting out and voting. . . . They voted during World War I and World War II," Trump told Bartiromo.

... because wars where extremely little enemy action occurred inside the states, is comparable to an actual pandemic that's already killed many thousands.

(And soldiers overseas did essentially use postal ballots.)

What a knob.

pritch

15th August 2020, 10:00

All his opponents really need to do is repeat Trump's own words. Although he is trying legal action against someone to stop them doing that.

Next best might be the words of his people?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsLaAbzVb9E

sugilite

16th August 2020, 21:08

Would be super interesting to know what Trump has on Lindsay Grahame, it must be really, REALLY bad shit!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAcs2qFTOYE

pritch

17th August 2020, 11:01

"hurt god"? LOL - you cannot hurt what does not exist. Remember folks "what may be asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence".

Apparently.

Mark Meadows, White House Chief of Staff, when reminded there is no evidence that voter fraud has occurred with postal voting replied,
"The lack of evidence, is the evidence."

Trump maintains that absentee voting is OK, postal voting is not, because the ballots are just posted out to everybody including the family dog. That's bollocks of course.

Absentee voting and postal voting in most states are identical. Trump votes by mail as does his wife, even though they are not actually resident in Florida. Most states post out application forms to registered voters, a few though post out ballot forms direct to registered voters.

Most states will accept the pandemic as a reason to use postal voting, others still require an excuse before they will permit a postal vote.

Meanwhile the mail sorting machinery is being stripped from mail centres, post boxes are being removed all over the country, and postal delivery vans are being loaded onto trucks at night. While all the politicians are on holiday.

pritch

17th August 2020, 11:19

I'm no Al Sharpton fan but I quite like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q7Sk59Ay88

TheDemonLord

17th August 2020, 11:20

Apparently.

Mark Meadows, White House Chief of Staff, when reminded there is no evidence that voter fraud has occurred with postal voting replied,
"The lack of evidence, is the evidence."

Trump maintains that absentee voting is OK, postal voting is not, because the ballots are just posted out to everybody including the family dog. That's bollocks of course.

Absentee voting and postal voting in most states are identical. Trump votes by mail as does his wife, even though they are not actually resident in Florida. Most states post out application forms to registered voters, a few though post out ballot forms direct to registered voters.

Most states will accept the pandemic as a reason to use postal voting, others still require an excuse before they will permit a postal vote.

Meanwhile the mail sorting machinery is being stripped from mail centres, post boxes are being removed all over the country, and postal delivery vans are being loaded onto trucks at night. While all the politicians are on holiday.

Did you per-chance watch the legal discussion about Mail in Voting and how each state has variations in how Mail-in Voting is handled?

Because it articulates that different States have different methods of handling Mail-In Voting - with some being much more robust than others.

pritch

17th August 2020, 15:03

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/politics/vote-by-mail-states/?hpid=hp_politics1-8-12_mailvote-630am-pol-615p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans&itid=hp_politics1-8-12_mailvote-630am-pol-615p%3Ahomepage%2Fstory-ans

sugilite

18th August 2020, 08:39

Did you per-chance watch the legal discussion about Mail in Voting and how each state has variations in how Mail-in Voting is handled?

Because it articulates that different States have different methods of handling Mail-In Voting - with some being much more robust than others.

How about Pritchs other points, mail sorting machines being removed, budget cuts and trucks and po boxes being removed just a few weeks out from the election, and the deliberate slowing down of mail deliveries? You good with that?

pritch

18th August 2020, 09:27

How about Pritchs other points, mail sorting machines being removed, budget cuts and trucks and po boxes being removed just a few weeks out from the election, and the deliberate slowing down of mail deliveries? You good with that?

There have been photos of 'mountains' of post boxes in scrap yards. Others, still in place, have been "locked" so they can't be used. Funny thing, in red states it seems that postal voting is still OK.

Since you quoted TDL, may I add that I have no idea which legal discussion he saw or listened to, but I listen to several legal podcasts every week, some of which are currently discussing this situation because it's definitely topical.

TheDemonLord

18th August 2020, 09:48

How about Pritchs other points, mail sorting machines being removed, budget cuts and trucks and po boxes being removed just a few weeks out from the election, and the deliberate slowing down of mail deliveries? You good with that?

It's not about what I'm good with or not, The whole mail-in vote thing for me is not super relevant.

What IS relevant is the framing of the issue - From an objective legal stand point, different States have different methods of running Mail-in Voting, some with more stringent checks and balances than others.

Pritch's contention is that it's mostly the same so no problems, but within that summation there's a problem word: 'Mostly' - As above, there are differences and some of those where ballots and not mere applications are posted out would seem to be worthy of honest discussion - which seems to be something that certain groups and people are unwilling to do so.

Do I think there is mass voter fraud happening? Not really - in almost all the elections in living memory ~50% voted Left and ~50% voted Right - if we suddenly had an election where 70% voted Left and 30% voted right or vice-versa, I might be concerned.

Do I think that there are loopholes in some states that may be prone to exploitation? Probably and that this should be a topic for honest conversation.

Do I think that neutralizing the Mail system as a precaution against voter fraud is warranted? As articulated, No, I don't (and there's the answer to your question) - however, you'll forgive me if I don't trust for a millisecond that the claim by the Left-wing media is accurate, factual and free from editorial omissions, You'll further forgive me if at this point in time, I decline to fact-check further since they've cried wolf far too many times.

If I ask you the flipside question:

- Not requiring a mail-in ballot to be witnessed
- allowing 3rd parties to assist with a signature (that aren't family)
- allowing 3rd parties to handle the ballot after it's cast
- Not postmarking a mail-in ballot in such a way that it can determined if it was made during the allotted time period
- Providing disproportionate amount of in-person Voting locations in areas that mostly vote Democrat vs Republican
- The law that provided for all this did not go through the proper process to ensure due levels of scrutiny

Are you good with that?

The followup being - where do we get to a point of consensus, I'll (for the sake of discussion) accept that the claims posted by Pritch are 100% true and state that I disagree with this course of action - will you reciprocate and agree with Trump that there is an issue with some State's handling of Mail-In Votes?

Because that is really what I'm interested in.

Viking01

18th August 2020, 10:52

If I ask you the flipside question:

- Not requiring a mail-in ballot to be witnessed
- allowing 3rd parties to assist with a signature (that aren't family)
- allowing 3rd parties to handle the ballot after it's cast
- Not postmarking a mail-in ballot in such a way that it can determined if it was made during the allotted time period
- Providing disproportionate amount of in-person Voting locations in areas that mostly vote Democrat vs Republican
- The law that provided for all this did not go through the proper process to ensure due levels of scrutiny

Are you good with that?

The followup being - where do we get to a point of consensus, I'll (for the sake of discussion) accept that the claims posted by Pritch are 100% true and state that I disagree with this course of action - will you reciprocate and agree with Trump that there is an issue with some State's handling of Mail-In Votes?

Because that is really what I'm interested in.

Out of curiosity, were these "existing issues" during the 2016 election (or even prior) ? Or have circumstances deteriorated since 2016?

pritch

18th August 2020, 11:24

To keep it simple for TDL, I don't agree with anything Trump said*. There is almost zero history of fraudulent postal voting in the US. Voter fraud in the US is so low as to be almost non-existent and has been for many years.

Republicans are the party of old white guys, the way the USA used to be. The USA is not like that now, and there's no way they will normally ever win a fair election. So they resort to voter suppression, gerrymandering, and electoral fraud. It's all they've got.

People want to vote by mail because it's safer during a pandemic. That would facilitate big voter participation which the Republicans don't want. Thus we have Trump's masterplan.

People, including TDL, can dream up whatever fictional reasons they like but there is nothing wrong with postal voting. Our local body elections were 100% postal and there were no witness signatures required, nor any of the other bullshit he's peddling. I don't seem to recall any uproar about fraudulent voting?

* To be fair, I was watching a clip of Trump speaking outrageous rubbish about the US economy early this morning and I posted on social media that I agreed with something he said. He said it was unbelievable. I agreed, what he was saying was literally "unbelievable".

TheDemonLord

18th August 2020, 11:28

Out of curiosity, were these "existing issues" during the 2016 election (or even prior) ? Or have circumstances deteriorated since 2016?

My Understanding is the following:

Due to Covid - a large number of states have either

1: Expanded the criteria by which someone could qualify for Mail-in Voting
or
2: Relaxed the requirements for having a valid mail-in vote

So in 2016, those that had loose checks and balances for the authenticating of a mail-in vote, this was only extended to a small number of people and not the wider state populace. Those that had previously stricter rules around mail-in voting in 2016 have relaxed them somewhat in anticipation of there being a large number of people opting to mail-in their vote, thus leading to potential loop-holes.

Obviously the large grain of salt being - I am not a lawyer and am taking the dumbed-down version from what actual lawyers have said and basing my view on that.

As I write this however, another thought comes somewhat to me, purely hypothetical - but interesting:

Should fear over catching Coronavirus (a Deadly disease) be grounds for remote voting? Considering that the right to vote fought over and paid for in blood and human lives, there's an argument that goes something like this:

"People died for your right to vote. Either Voting is important enough to you that you would risk your life to do so and therefore Corona or NoCorona, you are heading to the polling booth OR If you aren't willing to risk your life for the privilege of Voting, perhaps you shouldn't be allowed to"

Again - this is entirely a thought experiment, but it does raise some interesting moral, ethical, political and sociological questions.