The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread? [Archive] - Page 26

husaberg

11th September 2019, 17:35

This one could get a bit untidy if Bolton is pissed off. He's smarter than Trump and he's not backward in coming forward.

Trump tweeted that he had fired Bolton, so the TV channels gave that immediate cover. Bolton replied by tweet immediately saying that he had offered his resignation but Trump had said they'd talk about it in the morning. Trump must have changed what's left of his mind.

When Bolton went to the White House people were concerned, since he has been there though he has reportedly talked Trump out of some of his more loony impulses. Now Pompeo is the number one advisor and apparently he believes the rapture is nigh and he could see himself as an instrument of God's will in bringing about the end of the world.

It's not so long ago that the Yanks were saying the Iranian president Ahmadinejad was a threat because he saw himself as an instrument of God's will. Now the boot's on the other foot, but it's no more comfortable.

More like he can claim he fired him then anything he says is, oh that's just because i fired him.
Scarmucci was going on about all those that were being a calming influence are gone

"He takes nobody's counsel. There's nobody in the White House—if you remember his chief of staff [John] Kelly at least had the strength of personality to say 'hey, that's probably not the best thing to do, don't do that.' And so he probably curbed some of the exigencies of his personality."
"I think the guy is losing it, mentally," Scaramucci told the magazine. "He has declining mental faculties; he's becoming more petulant; he's becoming more impetuous. OK, you see just by the way he's sweating, his body's not doing well.
"It's obviously not a guy that takes care of himself, right? And he doesn't listen to anybody. And just think about this, okay? There's no one—there's no Jim Mattis; there's no Gary Cohn; there's no one to check him anymore.
"Whatever my differences were with General John Kelly, after he left, this thing has completely unspooled."

Can you remember anyone who was talked about so negatively by their former staff.

Trump vowed during his presidential campaign that he would only “hire the best people” i

Anthony Scaramucci@Scaramucci
For the last 3 years I have fully supported this President. Recently he has said things that divide the country in a way that is unacceptable. So I didn’t pass the 100% litmus test. Eventually he turns on everyone and soon it will be you and then the entire country.

oldrider

12th September 2019, 10:08

Yesterday Netanyahu claimed he’d identified a third secret nuclear site in Iran:- :rolleyes: http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=194646 - :corn:

Banditbandit

12th September 2019, 11:27

Interesting - Drump blames Bolton for leaking his comment about dropping nukes into hurricanes to stop them reaching America ..

Previously Drump has denied making the comment ..

Clearly, he cannot accuse Bolton of leaking a comment he never made ..

The man is at best totally inconsistent - more likely deranged ..

https://www.salon.com/2019/09/11/trump-suspected-john-bolton-of-leaking-story-about-his-suggestion-to-use-nukes-on-hurricanes_partner/

oldrider

12th September 2019, 16:28

Your credibility took as big a hit as the Pentagon? (Spot the plane game?) :scratch: https://twitter.com/ai_jared/status/1171827860308463617?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - :confused:

oldrider

13th September 2019, 10:00

With friends like these?:- :o - https://www.zerohedge.com/political/israel-caught-spying-white-house-trump-ignores-while-bibi-firmly-denies - :corn:

oldrider

13th September 2019, 12:53

Russia So Flush, Could Pay Off ALL Debt - Foreign, Municipal, Regional, and Domestic - With Cash! ‘Net Debt’ Falls to Zero:- :cool: https://russia-insider.com/en/economics/russia-so-flush-could-pay-all-debt-foreign-municipal-regional-and-domestic-cash-net-debt?ct=t(Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2014 )&mc_cid=824f5e20cd&mc_eid=4030a10227

oldrider

13th September 2019, 17:31

US Pressures Israel To Drop China 'Belt And Road' Investments:- :shifty: - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/us-pressures-israel-drop-china-belt-and-road-investments - :wait: - (Light blue touch paper, do not hold in the hand)

austingtir

13th September 2019, 17:58

Yes folks we have just about reached peak retard.....

https://i.redd.it/23859n27u8m31.jpg

Laava

13th September 2019, 23:24

Yes folks we have just about reached peak retard.....

No, it's just you.
I would have thought someone as "enlightened" as you would be able to spot fake news!

a little clue, I was being sarcastic.

austingtir

14th September 2019, 07:56

No, it's just you.
I would have thought someone as "enlightened" as you would be able to spot fake news!

a little clue, I was being sarcastic.

I can spot fake news. Obviously you cant. It must suck being wrong all the time....

https://www.businessinsider.co.za/burger-king-south-africa-drops-ham-from-hamburger-name-after-halaal-store-change-2019-9

https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ACYBGNSwDMwOwOsqUnQp93o6_jS6_kPbzA%3A 1568404435658&source=hp&ei=0_N7XYmPJtr59QP_7KzoBA&q=burger+king+in+south+africa+dropping+world+ham&oq=burger+king+in+south+africa+dropping+world+ham&gs_l=psy-ab.3..33i160l3.307.8651..8942...0.0..0.302.9077.0j 28j17j1......0....1..gws-wiz.......0i131j0j35i39j0i324j0i22i30j33i21j33i13i 21j33i22i29i30.zY0f_2WkhYE&ved=0ahUKEwjJxP_pyc7kAhXafH0KHX82C00Q4dUDCAU&uact=5

Laava

14th September 2019, 08:22

Whatever Cletus.

onearmedbandit

14th September 2019, 23:30

Viking01

15th September 2019, 09:43

Somehow, Don, I feel that you've got more to fear from the "home team"
than from the "competition" :

https://sputniknews.com/us/201909131076797009-the-very-best-of-dem-debate-night-mix-ups-barbs-and-gaffes-that-make-trump-pale-in-comparison-/

https://www.counterpunch.org/2019/09/13/roaming-charges-they-are-the-walrus/

husaberg

15th September 2019, 12:11

A quick check of a few BK menus from different countries certainly backs it up.

https://www.bk.com/menu-item/hamburger

https://www.burgerking.co.nz/menu-item/hamburger

https://www.burgerking.co.uk/menu/flame-grilled-burgers

https://www.burgerking.fr/produit/hamburger

http://www.burgerking.co.za/menu/beef-burgers/

No it doesn't really Fraser it was only ever on three products.
A bit of checking shows in the SA they although they don't use the name its a lot to do with the fact those burgers never contained any porcine products anyway.
So while it changed to partially be more respectful was also to do with correct labeling in a area where this sort of stuff effects both sales and maters culturally to avoid confusion.
They have also put just bacon on their menus which they never had previously this has lost then their Halal status they previously held.
https://www.businessinsider.co.za/burger-king-south-africa-drops-ham-from-hamburger-name-after-halaal-store-change-2019-9

hamburger is by definition made of minced beef and does not contain pork. The "ham" is in reference to the German city of Hamburg, where hamburger patties were supposedly first made.
Burger King knows this, South African chief operating officer Juan Klopper told Business Insider South Africa on Friday, but it still wants to avoid any possible confusion.
"It is just to be super-sensitive to perceptions, and to be super clear," he said.
The chain has had some queries from Muslim customers in the past on the "ham" part of the name, Klopper said, by way of Majlisush Shura Al Islami, the non-profit that certifies Burger King's remaining halaal outlets as being in compliance with Shari'ah law.
So, while the chain was making changes, it decided to drop the word.
As of this month, 44 Burger Kings in South Africa are no longer halaal certified after the chain decided to introduce the line of bacon items that are popular for the brand in many other parts of the world.
The chain has also promised to add vegan and vegetarian items to its menu "in the very near future".

oldrider

15th September 2019, 13:16

How Zionist Israel is Robbing America Blind. - Really? - Check it out! - :scratch: - According to this "love" obviously "is" blind. - :cool:

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oldrider

15th September 2019, 16:16

Oh look just what we need to start waging war on Iran again:- :banana: https://www.theepochtimes.com/saudi-arabia-drone-attacks-knocked-out-half-its-oil-supply_3082209.html?utm_source=pushengage&utm_medium=pushnotification&utm_campaign=pushengage - :whistle:

[Quote]Drone Attacks Knock Out Half of Saudi Arabia’s Oil Supply, Pompeo Names Iran[Unquote] - The show must go on? :corn:

oldrider

15th September 2019, 18:31

US will be locked in and loaded should Bibi decide to commit them to war? - :Oops: - https://www.rt.com/news/468831-us-israel-negotiate-mutual-defense/ - Way you go off to war? :whistle:

There will no longer be any need to ask Congress (holding things up) for permission. :nono:

onearmedbandit

15th September 2019, 19:04

No it doesn't really Fraser it was only ever on three products.

I was only providing links to the fact their menu differs from others with regards to the term 'hamburger', which on the surface certainly don't refute the claim. How say you to the links austingtir provided?

husaberg

15th September 2019, 19:56

How Zionist Israel is Robbing America Blind. - Really? - Check it out! - :scratch: - According to this "love" obviously "is" blind. - :cool:>

So should be make all jews second class citizens, ban them from holding certain jobs, or just skip that and go straight to the concentration camps and gas chambers.
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What say you colonel klink
All that stuff you post is straight out of the KKK and Nazi Germany do you think that's a co-incidence, that you almost daily post nazi propaganda.

I was only providing links to the fact their menu differs from others with regards to the term 'hamburger'. How say you to the links austingtir provided?

I say yokels original post does not tally with the facts.
What he originally posted was a deliberate misrepresentation of what occurred apparently deliberately skewed to feed a preexisting racial and religious bias.

pritch

16th September 2019, 09:21

I had a look at some of the links and also checked DuckDuckGo. The word 'hamburger' is quite difficult to find on Burger King sites.
That has probably got very little to do with concern for offending muslim sensibilities though. It's most likely more to to with the name of the company which is 'BURGER KING' so the references are to "burgers". Surprise!

To test this I visited MacDonalds, just the web site not the place. The references are to: Big Mac, MacFeast MacGriddle etc, and again to the generic 'burger'.

It seems we can imminently expect some desperate journalist to write a story about MacDonalds catering to muslim prejudices - and some egg to post it on KB.

onearmedbandit

16th September 2019, 13:08

The word 'hamburger' is quite difficult to find on Burger King sites.
That has probably got very little to do with concern for offending muslim sensibilities though. It's most likely more to to with the name of the company which is 'BURGER KING' so the references are to "burgers". Surprise!

.

Did you click on the links I provided? They all except one had Hamburgers on their menu. So your argument that it stands to reason because 'BURGER KING' is flawed.

Katman

16th September 2019, 14:03

Did you click on the links I provided?

What a crazy notion.

jasonu

16th September 2019, 15:00

Did you click on the links I provided? They all except one had Hamburgers on their menu. So your argument that it stands to reason because 'BURGER KING' is flawed.

No one here says hamburger unless they are referring to raw ground beef which is the same as mince meat.

pete376403

16th September 2019, 17:52

what about all the muslims that live in Hamburg in Germany? (which is the origin of the meat in bun item known as a Hamburger) Is the city going to be renamed "Burg"?

husaberg

16th September 2019, 18:13

what about all the muslims that live in Hamburg in Germany? (which is the origin of the meat in bun item known as a Hamburger) Is the city going to be renamed "Burg"?

Sounds a bit jewish, it might upset the neo nazis.

pritch

17th September 2019, 10:35

Did you click on the links I provided? They all except one had Hamburgers on their menu. So your argument that it stands to reason because 'BURGER KING' is flawed.

So it would seem. The site I looked up didn't mention them at all. Yesterday one of your links took me to a page that only mentioned hamburger in lower case. Today it's an ad for a hamburger. I've never seen them advertised in a BK but then I stop looking at Whopper.

Banditbandit

17th September 2019, 10:44

No one here says hamburger unless they are referring to raw ground beef which is the same as mince meat.

Yep - dialectical difference ... in 'merika 'hamburger' is mince ...

As Pete (with numbers) said. The name Hamburger as we use it comes from the town - and has nothing to do with pigs. Just as Sandwich has nothing to do with sand - it was named for an Earl - the Earl of Sandwich.

Because of the dialect differences 'burger' is probably more internationally known as the bun with meat and vege in it - hence it's use by the international chains such as Maccas .. and as such is is spreading as the most common word .. no matter what the dialect.

austingtir

17th September 2019, 15:21

husaberg

17th September 2019, 19:25

Newsflash, The mods (which consist solely of OAB, gremlin and a small budgie called allan), check each and every every post of someone in the sinbin. They do this to make sure its not abusive.
Maybe you should use the time spent in the sinbin to look at your own behaviour and what you post then maybe figure out why it is you keep ending up there.
For someone who claims to be so much smarter than everyone else, how is it you keep ending up in the sinbin. Having to get mummy to check your homework.

Laava

17th September 2019, 21:14

Good lord at the lefty responses to the burger king thing I posted....

https://tenor.com/view/jordan-happy-crying-michael-jordan-gif-4654740

Even after a mod went a checked the validity they still are clutching at straws to try and refute it....

:violin:

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jordan-laugh-laughing-lol-hysterical-gif-4996804
Yep, it's a first. You weren't entirely wrong about something for once. But you just keep on foaming at the mouth about it that's what makes you happy. But there seems to be no evidence it was done to placate muslims. Hopefully you can find some spurious links now that no-one will ever read on here. Bore on!

pritch

17th September 2019, 22:14

It does appear that the word ‘hamburger’ has not entirely vanished from the Burger King lexicon.

Having read this bloody thread again this morning, burgers were front and centre in my mind to the point of distraction. So, it being Tuesday, I paid a visit to said establishment.

My occasional visits usually take place early in the week because it tends to be less busy. Tonight was something of an exception, I had a considerable wait. I filled in the time reading the constantly changing ads. Not once did the dreaded word appear.

If they deleted the word hamburger tomorrow it’s likely nobody would even notice.

And Yokel, I may have done you an injustice. Virtually every single thing you have posted has been wrong, I just assumed this was too.

austingtir

17th September 2019, 22:34

Now these three are trying to pretend I dont live in their heads rent free.

Hilarious.

austingtir

17th September 2019, 22:51

Its a total disgrace that these inept retards tried to go after Kavanaugh again with more phony bullcrap.

https://i.redd.it/9dm6874b21n31.jpg

jasonu

18th September 2019, 16:09

Now these three are trying to pretend I dont live in their heads rent free.

Hilarious.

Did you (rightfully) call someone a cunt?

austingtir

18th September 2019, 18:56

Did you (rightfully) call someone a cunt?

Probably, not even sure what I got binned for this time..... Or the time before that for that matter.... hey probably the time before that too.

Probably been posting to many truth's on here and people are wigging out over it I suspect.

All these BB forums are controlled propaganda which agencies just insert shills into to steer the narrative. Most people dont realize this.

Laava

18th September 2019, 20:15

Probably been posting to many truth's on here and people are wigging out over it I suspect.

All these BB forums are controlled propaganda which agencies just insert shills into to steer the narrative. Most people dont realize this.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
Nawwwwww! Are the peoples not accepting your version of the truth?
Controlled propaganda? Nawww, you don't have to come on here if it upsets you petal!��
Now that the retard level has hit Overload, welcome to my ignore list.

pritch

19th September 2019, 10:59

Now that the retard level has hit Overload, welcome to my ignore list.

Yours too? I just checked and note he has still just posted a single motorcycle related post. On a motorcycle website. Instead of wasting his time reading nonsense and regurgitating it on here, his time might be better spent getting his bike on the road.

Think I'll go for a ride.

oldrider

22nd September 2019, 20:29

pritch

22nd September 2019, 21:56

Saudi Arabia's own mini 9/11 - Pitched to stir up anti Iranian attitudes?:- https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/first-images-crippling-damage-giant-khurais-oil-field-revealed - :confused: - but but but these are Trump's good guys. :yes:

Some people have short memories. Not Trump, his mind is a blank canvas. People with an attention span longer than a goldfish may recall that part of the motivation for Osama Bin Laden and his band of merry martyrs was the fact that infidel US forces were based in Saudi Arabia.

So the US are sending forces to Saudi Arabia again. That'll be OK then.

oldrider

22nd September 2019, 22:11

Some people have short memories. Not Trump, his mind is a blank canvas. People with an attention span longer than a goldfish may recall that part of the motivation for Osama Bin Laden and his band of merry martyrs was the fact that infidel US forces were based in Saudi Arabia.

So the US are sending forces to Saudi Arabia again. That'll be OK then.

Unbelievable isn't it - unfortunately - "it is what it is" as my second son says as he just gets on with his own life. - :ride:

Banditbandit

23rd September 2019, 12:51

Some people have short memories. Not Trump, his mind is a blank canvas. People with an attention span longer than a goldfish may recall that part of the motivation for Osama Bin Laden and his band of merry martyrs was the fact that infidel US forces were based in Saudi Arabia.

So the US are sending forces to Saudi Arabia again. That'll be OK then.

Yes - that's exactly why Bin Laden hit the WTC ..

There are still troops there ..

In 2017 there were about 54,000 US troops stationed there ... no-one knows how many are there now ..

Trump thinks the war will be fought in the Middle East - he is wrong - they have already proven they can hit the USA .. badly ..

Katman

23rd September 2019, 12:57

Yes - that's exactly why Bin Laden hit the WTC ..

There are still troops there ..

In 2017 there were about 54,000 US troops stationed there ... no-one knows how many are there now ..

Trump thinks the war will be fought in the Middle East - he is wrong - they have already proven they can hit the USA .. badly ..

I notice you've been very quiet about the new WTC 7 report.

Banditbandit

23rd September 2019, 13:00

Serving combat veteran and running for President Tulsi Gabbard ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Jo8QU2s_5I

Banditbandit

23rd September 2019, 13:02

I notice you've been very quiet about the new WTC 7 report.

Yeah - I've been pretty quiet about everything ..

Got bored ... probably get bored again very soon ..

WTC 7 Report? Yeah - whatever .. what will happen about that will happen .

austingtir

26th September 2019, 06:21

Rudi going ham on the corrupt dems:

"Do you think China gave $1.5b to a crack addict for nothing?"

https://youtu.be/Q0MrpkZVbyw

Trump 2020 is locked down. The dems are so screwed its not even funny.

Genuine 100% factual collusion with foreign powers and not by Trump.

husaberg

26th September 2019, 18:06

“You’re saying that’s what Biden said to the Ukraine,” Cuomo responded to Giuliani’s claim that then-Vice President Biden bribed the Ukrainian president to squash an investigation into Hunter. “Did you ask the Ukraine to investigate Joe Biden?”

“No, actually I didn’t,” Giuliani answered. “I asked Ukraine to investigate the allegations that there was interference in the election of 2016 by the Ukrainians for the benefit of Hillary Clinton.”

“You never asked anything about Hunter Biden, you never asked anything about Joe Biden to the prosecutor?” Cuomo asked, prompting Giuliani to assert that he had only asked why the case into Hunter’s company was dismissed.

“So you did ask Ukraine to look into Joe Biden,” Cuomo shot back.

“Of course I did,” Giuliani exclaimed, causing a befuddled Cuomo to shout: “You just said you didn’t!”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/rudy-giuliani-biden-ukraine-investigation-corruption-trump-cnn-interview-a9112971.html
:facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm::facepalm: :facepalm::facepalm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha8xylMSg_M
he bet that later on with admitting Trump interfered.
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https://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/09/20/cuomo-rudy-giuliani-ukraine-biden-sot-cpt-vpx.cnn

pritch

26th September 2019, 20:15

oldrider

26th September 2019, 20:15

IRAN IS RUN BY THE CIA:- http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2011/11/iran-is-run-by-cia.html - :corn: - (slimy duplicitous bastards)

pritch

26th September 2019, 20:28

With Judge Brett Kavanaugh being a news topic again this clip has made a reappearance.

I'll just leave it here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pR5ushM2_gQ&frags=pl%2Cwn

TheDemonLord

26th September 2019, 21:08

First it was Russia.
Now it's the Ukraine.
Next will probably be Georgia or Belarus or Khazakstan or....

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqH-JhUFyBc

Woodman

26th September 2019, 22:25

Was interested to see Greta Thunberg has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. I hope she gets it, Trump would be sooo pissed off. Trump has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize twice, unfortunately in both instances the nominations were determined to be forgeries. Nobody ever said he was a fast learner.

I think Greta Thunberg would turn it down and tell people to stop wasting their time giving silly awards and just get on with fixing the environmental crisis.

Viking01

26th September 2019, 22:57

....

Was interested to see Greta Thunberg has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize. I hope she gets it, Trump would be sooo pissed off. Trump has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize twice, unfortunately in both instances the nominations were determined to be forgeries. Nobody ever said he was a fast learner.

https://www.apnews.com/ee3c99e6e5674f93957d80512d0e9a0e

oldrider

27th September 2019, 10:35

Actually, found this guy less emotional and a bit more interesting on the subject:- https://twitter.com/Tiff_FitzHenry/status/1177177062538457089?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow% 7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - :corn:

pritch

27th September 2019, 10:40

I think Greta Thunberg would turn it down and tell people to stop wasting their time giving silly awards and just get on with fixing the environmental crisis.

There's almost a million $US attached to a Nobel Peace Prize. Not too many would turn that down, although Obama did give his to charity.

There is also a gold medal which can be sold, one went for 4.7 million at auction. Additionally there is a diploma, and the peace prize used to include a nice glass or ceramic dove. I saw one of those on the Antiques Road Show but don't know if they still do that. If there are multiple winners each get a medal but the money is divided.

Irrelevant but interesting: there is no Nobel prize for mathematics. Apparently Nobel was convinced the leading mathematician of his day was doing the nasty with his (Nobel's) wife. No way he was letting that guy win one of his prizes, so no prize for maths.

pritch

27th September 2019, 11:11

It's topical so in case anyone is interested herewith the Whistleblower's letter:

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf

jasonu

27th September 2019, 14:17

although Obama did give his to charity.
.

That useless cunt got it for being black, nothing more.

Viking01

27th September 2019, 14:17

It's topical so in case anyone is interested herewith the Whistleblower's letter:

https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/20190812_-_whistleblower_complaint_unclass.pdf

No doubt more information will emerge over time, but in the mean time:

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3030572/mystery-whistle-blower-donald-trumps-ukraine
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/nytimes-outs-ukraine-call-whistleblower-cia-officer

husaberg

27th September 2019, 16:28

That useless cunt got it for being black, nothing more.

Yet
A December 2018 Gallup poll found Obama to be the most admired man in America for an unprecedented 11th consecutive year.

Well l guess most of the people who voted and were voted for, were Americans and lets be frank, realistically, who else do they have to look up to.:killingme

Well at least you can be glad then Trump, will win one then in time, given that orange is the new black
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8b/66/72/8b66724836cdc166589a60a782e7f8bc.jpg

Obama has actually maintained that status for 11 straight years, beginning the year before he assumed office (2008) and continuing for the two years since he has been out of office thus far(2017-18).

Woodman

27th September 2019, 18:42

There's almost a million $US attached to a Nobel Peace Prize. Not too many would turn that down, although Obama did give his to charity.

There is also a gold medal which can be sold, one went for 4.7 million at auction. Additionally there is a diploma, and the peace prize used to include a nice glass or ceramic dove. I saw one of those on the Antiques Road Show but don't know if they still do that. If there are multiple winners each get a medal but the money is divided.

Irrelevant but interesting: there is no Nobel prize for mathematics. Apparently Nobel was convinced the leading mathematician of his day was doing the nasty with his (Nobel's) wife. No way he was letting that guy win one of his prizes, so no prize for maths.

Don't think she is interested in money. In fact she is of the opinion that money is what has caused all the shit that she is attemting to get fixed. And I agree with her.

austingtir

27th September 2019, 19:54

I don't get what Trump is on about with the Hunter Biden business. That was apparently investigated previously, Biden Jr wasn't acting in a personal capacity, he was an employee of a company that was in Ukraine at the time.

Trump is pushing theories about a missing DNC server being in Ukraine that most people consider are just weird. Someone on MSNBC was saying though that if he can sell this pile of crap he will be doing Putin a big favour. Trump is trying to implicate Ukraine in the 2016 election skulduggery to take the heat off Russia so that sanctions would be eased. He is still Putin's catamount.

You have so little understanding of the timing or of the actual events so I have no idea why you are putting your 2c in?

The DNC server was never physically moved. Seth Rich (who is now conveniently dead killed by the DNC of course) put the data on a usb stick and sent it via Kim Dotcom's megaupload to wikileaks.

In an attempt to cover up this fact the dems attempted to hide the above by roping in a ukranian hacker and pinning the above on him (guccifer 2.0 who is now rotting in a jail in america btw) by quickly sending him the same/similar files that Seth Rich sent to wikileaks. Then they also brought in all sorts of other bullshit trying to connect the Russians to the above.... Its all patently absurd.

The entire thing was so sloppy people within a month tech related people quickly realized the metadata showed the claims by the DNC didnt add up so they have continued to change their narrative again and again in attempts to cover that up.

Its all just totally ridiculous.

And the media is still covering for the dems with all this other bullshit.

And as for Biden and co its just even more ridiculous because everything they are attempting to pin on Trump they did themselves and did without any discretion what so ever (of course because next it was Hillary's turn and nobody thought any of this would ever come out that they couldnt just cover up anyway).

And the true story is way bigger than bidens son:

https://i.imgur.com/bQmzYlZ.jpg

austingtir

27th September 2019, 20:03

Yet
A December 2018 Gallup poll found Obama to be the most admired man in America for an unprecedented 11th consecutive year.

Those same polls that had Shillary winning the election at 98%?????

Laughable is all your comments on here are TOTALLY LAUGHABLE!!!

One day people will realize what Obama really did and who was backing him and it wont end well.

sugilite

27th September 2019, 20:48

First it was Russia.
Now it's the Ukraine.
Next will probably be Georgia or Belarus or Khazakstan or....

And don't forget that other hoax Donald Trump has exposed, The Climate Change one.
I'm sure you will be backing Donald debunking that one to the hilt :bleh::laugh:

pritch

27th September 2019, 21:15

Was listening to something recently and the thought was expressed that we are entering a new dark age. Greta is on to it. She said that in the US people are talking about beliefs. Nobody much is talking about science.

The evangelical preachers spout insane nonsense but their followers don't even question why their leader needs more than one private jet.

Any idiot can post rubbish on the Internet but there will be a percentage who believe it. Thus we now have measles because of the idiot anti vaxxers. Science says the earth is in serious trouble but other idiots say it isn't and the dim witted believe it.

Trump isn't helping. Russia was not a hoax. Ukraine is not a hoax. Climate change is definitely not a Chinese hoax. Still, we have people here with reading skills at such a basic level that they are sucked in by this crap.

The young people are right to be protesting, the stupidity (and in some cases the greed) is beyond belief.

austingtir

27th September 2019, 21:51

And don't forget that other hoax Donald Trump has exposed, The Climate Change one.
I'm sure you will be backing Donald debunking that one to the hilt :bleh::laugh:

Whats to do debunk exactly?

Its complete communist bullshit.

husaberg

27th September 2019, 22:02

TheDemonLord

28th September 2019, 00:36

And don't forget that other hoax Donald Trump has exposed, The Climate Change one.
I'm sure you will be backing Donald debunking that one to the hilt :bleh::laugh:

Depends on what you mean by Climate Change Hoax.

If you mean reducing our reliance on Fossil Fuels, Better Recycling and coming up with Alternate practical options for Plastics - I'm fully onboard with this.

If you mean the Demented Shrieking from Closet Communists, indoctrinating children declaring that the end is Nigh - then not so much, I'd be more in the Donald Camp.

However, as an interesting thought:

What if... By engaging in a Trade War with China and making their Industrial sector less competitive through artificial means, it brought manufacturing back into the west, thus reducing pollution as a result of having the goods processed in a region that has much stricter environmental controls/laws?

After all, China is the biggest Polluter on the Planet (with multiple hilarious observations to be had)

Just a thought...

jasonu

28th September 2019, 02:23

Yet
A December 2018 Gallup poll found Obama to be the most admired man in America for an unprecedented 11th consecutive year.

Well l guess most of the people who voted and were voted for, were Americans and lets be frank, realistically, who else do they have to look up to.:killingme

Well at least you can be glad then Trump, will win one then in time, given that orange is the new black
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/8b/66/72/8b66724836cdc166589a60a782e7f8bc.jpg

Obama has actually maintained that status for 11 straight years, beginning the year before he assumed office (2008) and continuing for the two years since he has been out of office thus far(2017-18).

He got the peace prize in 2009 at which time he had done nothing other than being the first black prez.

sugilite

28th September 2019, 07:45

I'm pretty sure Donald means all of it.

Surely you jest about bringing manufacturing back to the West? Do you think the corporate's will suddenly develop a conscience, or simply transfer manufacturing along to the next cheapest child labor exploiting country?

I'm delighted you have ponied up with Donald, that poor old lightweight arsestinger was getting pretty lonely in here and was in desperate need of some heavyweight assistance :devil2:

Depends on what you mean by Climate Change Hoax.

If you mean reducing our reliance on Fossil Fuels, Better Recycling and coming up with Alternate practical options for Plastics - I'm fully onboard with this.

If you mean the Demented Shrieking from Closet Communists, indoctrinating children declaring that the end is Nigh - then not so much, I'd be more in the Donald Camp.

However, as an interesting thought:

What if... By engaging in a Trade War with China and making their Industrial sector less competitive through artificial means, it brought manufacturing back into the west, thus reducing pollution as a result of having the goods processed in a region that has much stricter environmental controls/laws?

After all, China is the biggest Polluter on the Planet (with multiple hilarious observations to be had)

Just a thought...

pete376403

28th September 2019, 07:50

Woodman

28th September 2019, 08:59

The manufacturing that you speak of is mostly unnecessary crap whose only purpose is to make a spreadsheet look better.

oldrider

28th September 2019, 09:27

By Paul Williams September 27, 2019 at 2:11 pm | Permalink

Donald Trump dies and goes to hell
In 50 years, he comes to the devil and says: “I know I’m going to spend an eternity here.
with Obama the Bush family and the Clintons but I would like to ask you for a favor.
I miss my country, I miss the United States.
Can I go back to Washington DC for 15 minutes? I will go to the nearest bar, drink some beer and have a little chat with the bartender. Then I will return to stay here forever.”
The devil says “Okay, but I will change your body for the time you are there. Nobody would know or believe you are actually Donald Trump”.
“That’s even better!” says the president. And the next moment POOF! He appears next to a bar. He walks in, orders a mug of beer and starts talking to the bartender:
“I have been in a coma for quite a long time. I don’t know what’s going on in the world. How is our country doing?”
“Its very good !” says the bartender happily. “We are doing so well in the world, we no longer have ANY external threats! All political issues have been resolved! Every country is either our loyal ally or is completely controlled !”
“Wait a second” – Trump can’t believe his ears – “What about Syria, Iraq, Libya Lebanon Afghanistan?” all the countries we bombed ?
-Everything is quiet now! they are all conquered !
-Then what about Ukraine? China ? N Korea ? Russia ?
-all also bombed to bits and controlled now!
-I can’t believe this! What about Mexico? Venezuala? Turkey?
The bartender takes a globe from under the desk, spins it around and says proudly: “The whole world is beholding to us. I mean it! Everywhere !”
Donald Trump is completely shocked. He says in amazement:
“I am speechless. I didn’t ever think it was possible by any means. Thank you very much.
Anyways, I got to go now. How much for the beer?”
” we are only allowed small rations of beer and food by President Nutenyahu and israel,
that beer was 350 shekels, comrade!”

mashman

28th September 2019, 09:47

The manufacturing that you speak of is mostly unnecessary crap whose only purpose is to make a spreadsheet look better.

Tis a shame but about as close to reality as it can be stated.

The young people are right to be protesting, the stupidity (and in some cases the greed) is beyond belief.

Holy multi-leveled satire batman... the kids don't grasp that which Woodman has stated. Their stupidity is exactly that of the current business as usual crowd, only greener. None of them address the fundamental problem of production creating the gases they're concerned about and the environmental destruction that goes with it that without doubt leads to a changing climate. Greta touches on it, but the kids, and the kids who came before them who are controlling the narrative for the current kids simply by being kids and spouting the same shite they did in the 60's, but the current kids (the "leaders") have no clue as to why the gases are in the environment in the first place. It's a tragedy of the commons... and then when they do figure out what to do, they have to get it past the general public at large. The threads on here would be amusing though. Hate riddled bullshit that some girl has been bought or some other trite bullshit to hide the fact that her message is actually more important than the symbology of her being put forwards as some form of leader. I feel for her, because she has been setup to fail, and where Greta fails, so the kids will fail... rinse and repeat. Unless you guys wake the fuck up like... it's all so very predictable :killingme.

husaberg

28th September 2019, 10:20

He got the peace prize in 2009 at which time he had done nothing other than being the first black prez.

Really so why has he been the mst admired person in the USA for 11 years
Both before and after his presidency.

Gallup's most admired man and woman poll is an annual poll that Gallup has conducted at the end of most years since 1948. Americans are asked, without prompting, to say what man and woman "living today in any part of the world, do [they] admire most?"The result is published as a top ten list. Most years the most admired man is the sitting President of the United States and the most admired woman is or has been the First Lady of the United States.[

Also how is it you know more than the nobel committee.
Reading this he got the prize as he wasnt a gormless git like your current president.
Awards like these always contain a level of political motivation but to say he got it just because he was black or he became president just because he was black is patently untrue.
He is a far more accomplished and clearly more intelligent person and well rounded person that you or your current president will ever be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBgzjbxGlX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyttM9EnObc

The Norwegian Nobel Committee has decided that the Nobel Peace Prize for 2009 is to be awarded to President Barack Obama for his extraordinary efforts to strengthen international diplomacy and cooperation between peoples. The Committee has attached special importance to Obama’s vision of and work for a world without nuclear weapons.

Obama has as President created a new climate in international politics. Multilateral diplomacy has regained a central position, with emphasis on the role that the United Nations and other international institutions can play. Dialogue and negotiations are preferred as instruments for resolving even the most difficult international conflicts. The vision of a world free from nuclear arms has powerfully stimulated disarmament and arms control negotiations. Thanks to Obama’s initiative, the USA is now playing a more constructive role in meeting the great climatic challenges the world is confronting. Democracy and human rights are to be strengthened.

Only very rarely has a person to the same extent as Obama captured the world’s attention and given its people hope for a better future. His diplomacy is founded in the concept that those who are to lead the world must do so on the basis of values and attitudes that are shared by the majority of the world’s population.

For 108 years, the Norwegian Nobel Committee has sought to stimulate precisely that international policy and those attitudes for which Obama is now the world’s leading spokesman. The Committee endorses Obama’s appeal that “Now is the time for all of us to take our share of responsibility for a global response to global challenges.”

Oslo, October 9, 2009

pritch

28th September 2019, 10:36

He got the peace prize in 2009 at which time he had done nothing other than being the first black prez.

That much is true. At least one member of the Nobel Committee has said they regretted awarding the prize to Obama as it did not have the desired effect. It would seem they were trying to encourage him to be peaceable, but it didn't work.

oldrider

28th September 2019, 10:45

Tis a shame but about as close to reality as it can be stated.

Holy multi-leveled satire batman... the kids don't grasp that which Woodman has stated. Their stupidity is exactly that of the current business as usual crowd, only greener. None of them address the fundamental problem of production creating the gases they're concerned about and the environmental destruction that goes with it that without doubt leads to a changing climate. Greta touches on it, but the kids, and the kids who came before them who are controlling the narrative for the current kids simply by being kids and spouting the same shite they did in the 60's, but the current kids (the "leaders") have no clue as to why the gases are in the environment in the first place. It's a tragedy of the commons... and then when they do figure out what to do, they have to get it past the general public at large. The threads on here would be amusing though. Hate riddled bullshit that some girl has been bought or some other trite bullshit to hide the fact that her message is actually more important than the symbology of her being put forwards as some form of leader. I feel for her, because she has been setup to fail, and where Greta fails, so the kids will fail... rinse and repeat. Unless you guys wake the fuck up like... it's all so very predictable :killingme.

Maybe worth the time to listen to this then? - :msn-wink:

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Viking01

28th September 2019, 11:18

Nobel Committee Award to Obama
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34277960
https://www.snopes.com/news/2014/09/14/prize-fight/

Obama Interview
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/barack-obama-stephen-colbert-nobel-peace-prize-a7367321.html

More Work Required for Don to Qualify
https://www.checkpointasia.net/nobel-peace-prize-committee-informs-trump-he-has-not-launched-enough-drone-strikes-to-qualify/

Woodman

28th September 2019, 11:58

Maybe worth the time to listen to this then? - :msn-wink:

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Sorry, stopped when I heard 9/11 mentioned. Whatever your theories on that are they need to be kept separate from the climate crisis.Too much noise, too many crackpots.

Katman

28th September 2019, 13:08

Sorry, stopped when I heard 9/11 mentioned.

So you're happy to ignore the findings of the UAF WTC 7 report too?

Woodman

28th September 2019, 13:56

So you're happy to ignore the findings of the UAF WTC 7 report too?

You may have missed my point. Focus please. Messages like Greta Thunbergs don't need any flatearthers being associated with the campaign. The old fat white men will jump on it and try to fuck it up by association.

Happy for you or anyone to be 9/11 conspiracy theorists if that's your thing but the climate crisis needs to be less flaky than a lot of the c.t. crowd. I am sure you understand.

Katman

28th September 2019, 14:24

Happy for you or anyone to be 9/11 conspiracy theorists if that's your thing but the climate crisis needs to be less flaky than a lot of the c.t. crowd. I am sure you understand.

Fair enough.

(But I'll just add - those 'crackpot conspiracy theorists' are starting to sound less and less crackpotty).

jasonu

28th September 2019, 15:21

Really so why has he been the mst admired person in the USA for 11 years
Both before and after his presidency.

Also how is it you know more than the nobel committee.
Reading this he got the prize as he wasnt a gormless git like your current president.
Awards like these always contain a level of political motivation but to say he got it just because he was black or he became president just because he was black is patently untrue.
He is a far more accomplished and clearly more intelligent person and well rounded person that your current president will ever be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBgzjbxGlX4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyttM9EnObc

Seeing it on the internet doesn't automatically make it true Mr. been nowhere done nothing.

husaberg

28th September 2019, 15:31

Seeing it on the internet doesn't automatically make it true Mr. been nowhere done nothing.

So Obama hasnt won the most admired american then the last 11 years? voted by Americans?
Or that wasnt his speech at the UN prior to him wing the noble peace prize in contrast to Trumps?
You genuinely think you are more qualified than the noble committee is?
You have some actual evidence to suggest he won the Nobel only account of him being black?
Or he became US president only on account of him being black?
Lets be frank here. You Talk a heap of crap with zero justification behind it.
Trumph is a blithering buffoon compared to Obama.
You have a guy with A daddy paid for diploma rather than a Harvard educated scholar.
You are all mouth no trousers.
https://cdn.dribbble.com/users/949167/screenshots/3670425/allmouthnotrousers_800x600.jpg

mashman

28th September 2019, 16:46

You may have missed my point. Focus please. Messages like Greta Thunbergs don't need any flatearthers being associated with the campaign. The old fat white men will jump on it and try to fuck it up by association.

Happy for you or anyone to be 9/11 conspiracy theorists if that's your thing but the climate crisis needs to be less flaky than a lot of the c.t. crowd. I am sure you understand.

I detest such positions. Such shows a distinct ignorance in that such states that a flatearther/conspiracy theorist would be less capable of accepting the climate crisis for what it is, and that anyone who isn't a flatearther/conspiracy theorist is good to go. That yer typical run of the mill self-righteous twats also believe both sides of the the climate crisis should show just how fucking retarded taking such a position is. It is everything that is wrong with this world, coz it creates cohorts of so called "experts" (highly myopic) who when they get together, according to the evidence, ignore that evidence and steam ahead with fucking the world because they have zero frames of reference for anything other than doing that... nor do they wish to look any further and therefore they get to attack the human instead of doing themselves a favour and educating themselves. That's why the argument is fucked, because "we" are too busy arguing over whether it's getting hotter or colder or whether a building fell too quickly or whatever brain dead fucktardery KB gets to drag up solely to not have to face itself and console itself with mob circle jerks. Amusing, but highly ignorant.

Woodman

28th September 2019, 17:41

I detest such positions. Such shows a distinct ignorance in that such states that a flatearther/conspiracy theorist would be less capable of accepting the climate crisis for what it is, and that anyone who isn't a flatearther/conspiracy theorist is good to go. That yer typical run of the mill self-righteous twats also believe both sides of the the climate crisis should show just how fucking retarded taking such a position is. It is everything that is wrong with this world, coz it creates cohorts of so called "experts" (highly myopic) who when they get together, according to the evidence, ignore that evidence and steam ahead with fucking the world because they have zero frames of reference for anything other than doing that... nor do they wish to look any further and therefore they get to attack the human instead of doing themselves a favour and educating themselves. That's why the argument is fucked, because "we" are too busy arguing over whether it's getting hotter or colder or whether a building fell too quickly or whatever brain dead fucktardery KB gets to drag up solely to not have to face itself and console itself with mob circle jerks. Amusing, but highly ignorant.

Not actually sure what you are trying to say to be fair....

oldrider

28th September 2019, 17:41

Sorry, stopped when I heard 9/11 mentioned. Whatever your theories on that are they need to be kept separate from the climate crisis.Too much noise, too many crackpots.

OK Woodman (surprised at your claim) I listened to the whole thing again - 9/11 was mentioned in passing "once" literally within a group mention - 19:00 (approx) - :scratch:

Over-all that is a very balanced informative discussion. - :yes:

mashman

28th September 2019, 22:24

Not actually sure what you are trying to say to be fair....

heh... maybe ya never will.

mashman

28th September 2019, 22:29

Maybe worth the time to listen to this then? - :msn-wink:

If there something new in the maelstrom soup outwith 9/11 and Greta with one side screaming that it's a show v's the other side saying that it's perfectly normal? Just askin' like...

austingtir

29th September 2019, 09:06

Wont be long now until it all unravels for the scumbag dem fraudsters....

John Solomon just dumped all the documentation backing up everything thats been said for years about these people going right back to Nulands time in Ukraine.
Clinton, biden, obama etc etc are all fucked imo.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MichaelCoudrey/status/1177370086182551552

https://www.scribd.com/user/259237201/JohnSolomon

BTW thats not a leak. Those docs are all legally obtained.

husaberg

29th September 2019, 09:56

austingtir

29th September 2019, 11:39

If you are so smart ,why were you not predicting on KB that Trump would win?

I must be pretty smart then as I was predicting he would win just not on here.:rolleyes:

husaberg

29th September 2019, 11:45

I must be pretty smart then as I was predicting he would win just not on here.:rolleyes:

Really you said you were predicting his win earlier on and that you were on KB with another log in name.
Are they mutually exclusive.:innocent:
Oddly enough there was a poster that posted that on KB and he was a troll like you.
He also had an Asian mail order bride from Cambodia.
He also moved to Rotorua.
He also claimed to have owned a RS250 Aprilia.
What are the chance's of that.

austingtir

29th September 2019, 11:48

Really you said you were predicting his win earlier on and that you were on KB with another log in name.
Are they mutually exclusive.:innocent:

Nope wrong again.

Again living in your head rent free.

austingtir

29th September 2019, 11:56

Btw this is about the 5th time i have ever replied to your posts but you have replied to hundreds of mine.
So who is living in whose head?

Rent free boyo!

Really, I triggered you this badly with just 5 posts (Lies BTW)? Imagine if I start replying to every one of your posts!?

I went from two bars green to 9 bars red in a matter of minutes.. LOL Seriously this guy.

I thought there were forum rules for abuse of the neg system??

I guess the great triggering of KB forums has begun?

Im sure you can back up all your claims above with actual evidence?... It shouldnt be that hard if what you claim is true.

Must be at least the 5th time iv seen you attempt to or actually doxx someone on here. Yet the mods do nothing. Interdasting.

Anyway your going on Ignore. Im not wasting any more time on you.

oldrider

29th September 2019, 20:27

10 Reasons Democrats' Impeachment Argument Is Falling Apart - :rolleyes: - https://www.zerohedge.com/political/10-reasons-democrats-impeachment-argument-falling-apart - Or how to get your own back? :mellow:

oldrider

29th September 2019, 20:55

Houthis bloody Saudi Arabia's nose again - Big time? - :kick: - https://southfront.org/operation-victory-from-god-houthis-neutralize-thousands-of-saudi-led-coalition-personnel-in-large-scale-ambush/ - How - :Oops: - for the Trump administration is that?

austingtir

30th September 2019, 08:19

Banditbandit

30th September 2019, 10:29

Muslims trying to fulfill their Quranic prophecy of killing each other off.... What's the problem again??

I'm sorry - there is a civil war in Yemen - with the Saudi's backing one side with the help of the USA which supplies Saudi arms .. There are allegations that Iran supports the Houthi side - however these remain allegations as there is little hard evidence of such support

What has that got to do with Islam ???

austingtir

30th September 2019, 11:23

TheDemonLord

30th September 2019, 13:58

I'm pretty sure Donald means all of it.

Surely you jest about bringing manufacturing back to the West? Do you think the corporate's will suddenly develop a conscience, or simply transfer manufacturing along to the next cheapest child labor exploiting country?

I'm delighted you have ponied up with Donald, that poor old lightweight arsestinger was getting pretty lonely in here and was in desperate need of some heavyweight assistance :devil2:

A Conscience? Why would you think that?

I trust that they will follow their Profit margin. If you add an artificial cost (to offset the reduced Labour/Compliance costs that exist in the 3rd world) and as generally a free-market capitalist, you've got no idea how much it pains me to say that.

There is one other alternative, as a nation becomes more prosperous, eventually people start to care about things like the Environment and eventually will start to petition the government to enact Legislation to protect it - however, I'm not sure that will work in somewhere like China.

As for Donald - The continued and baseless attacks on him by Elements that cannot fathom or accept that they lost are going to guarantee he gets re-elected. The wider populace outside of New York and California can see that much of the vitriol hurled at him is just straw-grasping, which serves to only reinforce the validity of voting for him in the first place.

Overall, He's mostly kept to his Campaign promises, made a tenuous peace with North Korea and not started any more shooting wars - as far as US presidents go, that puts him ahead of every President for the last 35 years....

TheDemonLord

30th September 2019, 14:00

The manufacturing that you speak of is mostly unnecessary crap whose only purpose is to make a spreadsheet look better.

And yet, it has a Market.

You can't produce something, with the intent of making ones books look better if no one buys it.

The Unnecessary Crap as you put it, has a value and use to those that buy it, whether or not they should or ought to is another question - but this attempt to repeatedly shift the Blame away from the Consumer is an issue.

pritch

30th September 2019, 14:12

I'm sorry - there is a civil war in Yemen - with the Saudi's backing one side with the help of the USA which supplies Saudi arms .. There are allegations that Iran supports the Houthi side - however these remain allegations as there is little hard evidence of such support

So far I haven't seen any reports of evidence of Iranian involvement. The Saudis showed a clip of the drones and said they came from the north but you can't tell by looking at the clip what direction the drones were travelling, or if indeed they were even the drones in question.

It seems the only "evidence" consists of the fact that both the Houthis and Iran are Shiite.

Strangely in this war the Yanks find themselves on the same side as Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda being Wahhabi or Sunni, are allied with the Saudis against the rebels. That's too big a mental leap for the Yanks though. There was a special forces op against Al Qaeda early in the Trump presidency which turned into a clusterfuck. One of the SEALs and a child were killed. This was complicated somewhat by the fact that the child was an American citizen.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/what-went-wrong-inside-yemen-seal-raid-n716216

Woodman

30th September 2019, 18:38

And yet, it has a Market.

You can't produce something, with the intent of making ones books look better if no one buys it.

The Unnecessary Crap as you put it, has a value and use to those that buy it, whether or not they should or ought to is another question - but this attempt to repeatedly shift the Blame away from the Consumer is an issue.

The consumers, me included are to blame as well just as is designed obselessence, fashion, marketing etc. The good thing is that the consumer is becoming more aware of the non sustainable open ended consumerism. Soon the old fat white men in charge will be gone and hopefully a new breed will be in charge. Our lifestyle which exists at the expense of others is going to change and it is going to be an interesting ride. Also, fuck trump and his america first, fuck everyone else, oppressive terrorist bullshit. Prick needs assasinating.

pritch

30th September 2019, 19:32

The consumers, me included are to blame as well just as is designed obselessence, fashion, marketing etc. The good thing is that the consumer is becoming more aware of the non sustainable open ended consumerism. Soon the old fat white men in charge will be gone and hopefully a new breed will be in charge. Our lifestyle which exists at the expense of others is going to change and it is going to be an interesting ride. Also, fuck trump and his america first, fuck everyone else, oppressive terrorist bullshit. Prick needs assasinating.

About now alarms will be going off at Waihopai and Langley. Expect a knock on the door one night soon.:Police: :sherlock:

husaberg

30th September 2019, 19:57

About now alarms will be going off at Waihopai and Langley. Expect a knock on the door one night soon.:Police: :sherlock:

Pretty sure Waihopai would pretend they didn't hear.
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TheDemonLord

1st October 2019, 08:49

The consumers, me included are to blame as well just as is designed obselessence, fashion, marketing etc.

One of those I'll entertain: Designed Obselessence is an interesting one - people love to wax lyrical about well-designed machines that lasted a lifetime. How the need to keep producing is a huge economic drain on resources etc.

Especially the Environmental types. What they are curiously silent on is how horrendously inefficient some of those old designs are. It's a curious twist of fate that by designing an appliance to have a finite lifespan, recycling them, it does a good job of making sure that old and power-hungry appliances are removed from circulation.

The good thing is that the consumer is becoming more aware of the non sustainable open ended consumerism.

Yeah, all those Eco-Warriors on their Latest iPhones, drinking at StarBucks, they are soooooooooo anti-consumerism...

(when everyone else does it, but not them, they are good)

Soon the old fat white men in charge will be gone and hopefully a new breed will be in charge.

Ah, the Racist, Sexist, Misandry of the Left Wing.

Nevermind the fact that most of the people who are supposedly 'in charge' got there by being successful - by doing things that people wanted, by innovating - let's just leave that part out and blame 'the other'

Our lifestyle which exists at the expense of others is going to change and it is going to be an interesting ride.

Define 'at the expense of others' - for all it's ills (and there are a metric fuck-tonne) the industrialisation of China (for example) has lifted huge swathes of the population out of a brutal subsistence lifestyle.

I feel the need to repeat that China (and other economies, like India) have massive labor and regulatory issues and I'm not trying to make light of them - the advancement does come at a cost, but it IS advancement - You only have to look back 50-60 years to see when China was starving to death.

Also, fuck trump and his america first, fuck everyone else, oppressive terrorist bullshit. Prick needs assasinating.

Wow.

You care so much about other people that you are willing to Kill them.

Your hatred of Capitalism, your espousing of certain EcoFascist viewpoints, you sound like someone we have all heard of - here, let's see if you recognize who you sound like:

Also, fuck Mohammed and his Islam first, fuck ISIS, oppressive terrorist bullshit. Muslims needs assasinating.

Banditbandit

1st October 2019, 11:19

Its actually the Iranians backing the other side.

Proof of that allegation?

Especially as last year Saudi Arabia reportedly shot down 100 drones fired from the Houthis held territory in Yemen .. why now suddenly, is a drone strike blamed on Iran?

And yes they are majority Islamic. Again I fail to see the problem.

Lots of variants of Islam - the biggest division being Sunni and Shi'ite - ... Yes, Iran is Shi'ite as is most of Yemen (Saudi Arabia is Wahhabist - the same as Al Qaeda and ISIS .. ) ... but Iran follows the 12-Imam version while Yemen is Zaydi ..

The various branches do not like each other - and fight internally - much like Christianity ...

But the conflict in Yemen is an internal one - about politics and nothing to do with Islam ..

Woodman

1st October 2019, 12:43

One of those I'll entertain: Designed Obselessence is an interesting one - people love to wax lyrical about well-designed machines that lasted a lifetime. How the need to keep producing is a huge economic drain on resources etc.

Especially the Environmental types. What they are curiously silent on is how horrendously inefficient some of those old designs are. It's a curious twist of fate that by designing an appliance to have a finite lifespan, recycling them, it does a good job of making sure that old and power-hungry appliances are removed from circulation.

Yeah, all those Eco-Warriors on their Latest iPhones, drinking at StarBucks, they are soooooooooo anti-consumerism...

(when everyone else does it, but not them, they are good)

Ah, the Racist, Sexist, Misandry of the Left Wing.

Nevermind the fact that most of the people who are supposedly 'in charge' got there by being successful - by doing things that people wanted, by innovating - let's just leave that part out and blame 'the other'

Define 'at the expense of others' - for all it's ills (and there are a metric fuck-tonne) the industrialisation of China (for example) has lifted huge swathes of the population out of a brutal subsistence lifestyle.

I feel the need to repeat that China (and other economies, like India) have massive labor and regulatory issues and I'm not trying to make light of them - the advancement does come at a cost, but it IS advancement - You only have to look back 50-60 years to see when China was starving to death.

Wow.

You care so much about other people that you are willing to Kill them.

Your hatred of Capitalism, your espousing of certain EcoFascist viewpoints, you sound like someone we have all heard of - here, let's see if you recognize who you sound like:

Dick............

TheDemonLord

1st October 2019, 12:58

Dick............

So, saying people should be assassinated, making Racist and Sexist comments - that's fine when you do it, but when you get called on it, somehow, I'm the Dick?

Woodman

1st October 2019, 16:57

So, saying people should be assassinated, making Racist and Sexist comments - that's fine when you do it, but when you get called on it, somehow, I'm the Dick?

Racist? Sexist? :weird:

You haven't called me on it, not even remotely ,you have just spouted a whole lot of drivel in reply to try and make yourself seem intelligent to yourself. Its like wanking but with a keyboard.

mashman

1st October 2019, 18:58

Racist? Sexist? :weird:

You haven't called me on it, not even remotely ,you have just spouted a whole lot of drivel in reply to try and make yourself seem intelligent to yourself. Its like wanking but with a keyboard.

IF, you actually give a shit, you have 3 choices.

Argue with fucktards who don't have a clue.
Discuss potential futures with fucktards who do have a clue.
Pretend that it's all just a dream... and I can pass you various methodologies whatever your bent along those lines... inherently pointless like, but all very interesting in their own way that may well tick that box.

I'm sure you'll be able to add a 4th or 5th... but at the end of the day, you cannot reason someone out of a position that they did not reason themselves into. Bravo, and commiserations, for taking the leap for what it's worth (meant genuinely). Watch out for those conspiracy theory peeps though, some of them actually know the same things as you re the economy, but they went to find out why things are the way they are. Again, an inherent waste of time, but again all very interesting and certainly not something that makes anyone a crackpot. It's like saying, oh you believe in 9/11 therefore you must believe in faked moon landings and everything that is open to question irrespective of how ridiculous it sounds. A completely fucktarded position for any sane human being to take, but hey, it's generally the default position of the so called educated. Oh yeah that reminds me, watch out for the Resource Based Economy advocates that aren't conspiracy theory advocates also. Do not challenge the ONLY, they run out of reasons real quick. Also watch out for Extinction Rebellion and The School Kids. They want what the economy cannot deliver and don't know it, moreover they're shouting at people who are doing the best they can with what they have to do more... almost as if those who are doing everything that they can with what they have are keeping something up their sleeve for a rainy day.

Inherently, you have 3 choices. Best of luck.

sugilite

1st October 2019, 19:08

As for Donald - The continued and baseless attacks on him by Elements that cannot fathom or accept that they lost are going to guarantee he gets re-elected. The wider populace outside of New York and California can see that much of the vitriol hurled at him is just straw-grasping, which serves to only reinforce the validity of voting for him in the first place.

Sorry man, but that is a big yeah nahh from me. I have just returned from living in A mid sized farming town/Community in Arkansas for the last one and a half years. I cannot begin to tell you just how arch-typical that town was. Anyhow, I can absolutely assure you Trump is not popular at all with farming communities. On the whole they feel is he a blow hard that in fact did not follow through with any promises they felt were related to them - badly letting them down in the process, or lack there of. Heard the saying "fool me once yadda yadda numerous times). Combine that with the "Easy to Win" trade war with China wiping out a huge chunk of their business, he is seriously unpopular.

The non farmers about the town that talked with me about Trump were just plain embarrassed by him. The whole time I was there, my business had me visiting the CBD every day except Sundays, and in all that time, I only saw one MAGA hat, and right at the end of my stay, one Trump bumper sticker - on a Septic Tank truck - how I laughed. :laugh:

Woodman

1st October 2019, 19:52

IF, you actually give a shit, you have 3 choices.

Argue with fucktards who don't have a clue.
Discuss potential futures with fucktards who do have a clue.
Pretend that it's all just a dream... and I can pass you various methodologies whatever your bent along those lines... inherently pointless like, but all very interesting in their own way that may well tick that box.

I'm sure you'll be able to add a 4th or 5th... but at the end of the day, you cannot reason someone out of a position that they did not reason themselves into. Bravo, and commiserations, for taking the leap for what it's worth (meant genuinely). Watch out for those conspiracy theory peeps though, some of them actually know the same things as you re the economy, but they went to find out why things are the way they are. Again, an inherent waste of time, but again all very interesting and certainly not something that makes anyone a crackpot. It's like saying, oh you believe in 9/11 therefore you must believe in faked moon landings and everything that is open to question irrespective of how ridiculous it sounds. A completely fucktarded position for any sane human being to take, but hey, it's generally the default position of the so called educated. Oh yeah that reminds me, watch out for the Resource Based Economy advocates that aren't conspiracy theory advocates also. Do not challenge the ONLY, they run out of reasons real quick. Also watch out for Extinction Rebellion and The School Kids. They want what the economy cannot deliver and don't know it, moreover they're shouting at people who are doing the best they can with what they have to do more... almost as if those who are doing everything that they can with what they have are keeping something up their sleeve for a rainy day.

Inherently, you have 3 choices. Best of luck.

Yeah, but I am on the right track...

TheDemonLord

1st October 2019, 22:45

Sorry man, but that is a big yeah nahh from me. I have just returned from living in A mid sized farming town/Community in Arkansas for the last one and a half years. I cannot begin to tell you just how arch-typical that town was. Anyhow, I can absolutely assure you Trump is not popular at all with farming communities. On the whole they feel is he a blow hard that in fact did not follow through with any promises they felt were related to them - badly letting them down in the process, or lack there of. Heard the saying "fool me once yadda yadda numerous times). Combine that with the "Easy to Win" trade war with China wiping out a huge chunk of their business, he is seriously unpopular.

The non farmers about the town that talked with me about Trump were just plain embarrassed by him. The whole time I was there, my business had me visiting the CBD every day except Sundays, and in all that time, I only saw one MAGA hat, and right at the end of my stay, one Trump bumper sticker - on a Septic Tank truck - how I laughed. :laugh:

The China thing is interesting - There's a lot to be said for successive presidents not wanting to 'rock-the-boat' and allowing China to take liberties that they shouldn't. There's also a lot to be said that we've gotten to the point where the cure is worse than the Disease.

I have one question though - in your discussions with people who think he's either a blow-hard or are embarrassed by him - what were their thoughts on Hillary?

TheDemonLord

1st October 2019, 22:52

Racist? Sexist? :weird:

You haven't called me on it, not even remotely ,you have just spouted a whole lot of drivel in reply to try and make yourself seem intelligent to yourself. Its like wanking but with a keyboard.

So, this wasn't you then:

Soon the old fat white men

Because when you use that phrase, you are attacking them on the basis of their Race and Gender. It's usage is no different from a white supremecist referring to 'Nigger Bitches popping out kids' - Same vitriol, same hatred. Same Racism, Same Sexism.

And then you've got this:

Prick needs assasinating.

You are advocating for Murder, regardless of the Hyperbole, against someone you don't like. You don't like them because of the views they hold. That's only 1 step away from the Christchurch terrorist (he put words to actions) and 2 steps away from the NKVD and 'disappearances'.

Woodman

2nd October 2019, 06:21

So, this wasn't you then:

Because when you use that phrase, you are attacking them on the basis of their Race and Gender. It's usage is no different from a white supremecist referring to 'Nigger Bitches popping out kids' - Same vitriol, same hatred. Same Racism, Same Sexism.

And then you've got this:

You are advocating for Murder, regardless of the Hyperbole, against someone you don't like. You don't like them because of the views they hold. That's only 1 step away from the Christchurch terrorist (he put words to actions) and 2 steps away from the NKVD and 'disappearances'.
Yeah, but I am still right and you are still stupid.

mashman

2nd October 2019, 06:52

Yeah, but I am on the right track...

Thanks. :killingme... you look to be following the evidence of what is happening. Whether you choose to believe it or not is, and always will be, entirely up to you... all fun and games aside that is. Did you have a question regarding that thing I PM'd you, or did you write it off as impossible?... assuming that you read it that is.

TheDemonLord

2nd October 2019, 08:18

Yeah, but I am still right and you are still stupid.

And that is the Justification that every Dictator used when murdering Millions.

sugilite

2nd October 2019, 11:53

The China thing is interesting - There's a lot to be said for successive presidents not wanting to 'rock-the-boat' and allowing China to take liberties that they shouldn't. There's also a lot to be said that we've gotten to the point where the cure is worse than the Disease.

I have one question though - in your discussions with people who think he's either a blow-hard or are embarrassed by him - what were their thoughts on Hillary?

Oh, I agree, China had to be reigned in, their intellectual property theft alone is shocking. But the Bull in a China approach was not the best approach imo. To my observation Trump does not place much thought or analysis into much of anything he does. Not the best approach for a person of his position.

Not many mentioned Hillary, the few that did just said they plain did not like or trust her. Their focus very much seemed to be on the current situation. I think the majority of the "what about Hilary" Brigade are to be found online. The average American seemed more interested in what is happening to them right now. Trust me, they are noticing the higher prices they are paying in stores thanks to the trade war - and the lower income States like Arkansas feel it especially hard. They know where to place the blame for that.

oldrider

2nd October 2019, 12:27

:shifty: - The USA (in their current form) are marked up for disposal/destruction/dispersal (pick any one) it's simply a matter of when rather than if. - :wait: - (watch this space)

TheDemonLord

2nd October 2019, 12:33

Oh, I agree, China had to be reigned in, their intellectual property theft alone is shocking. But the Bull in a China approach was not the best approach imo. To my observation Trump does not place much thought or analysis into much of anything he does. Not the best approach for a person of his position.

I agree in part, I've read parts of Trumps book - the Art of the Deal - and in particular he advocates for going in with a large number of demands, most of them spurious, and then 'negotiating' down to the few things he actually wanted.

So his Bull in a China shop (btw - Bonus Pun Points coming your way) is consistent - you go in hard and heavy, get their attention and then negotiate back down to the place you wanted to be.

It seemed to have worked with North Korea - I agree it's a very high-risk strategy, but given he's written about the approach that he takes, I think he places a lot more thought and analysis into it, but deliberately plays it as if he doesn't.

For my PoV, There's too many instances where starts from a position of wild rhetoric/twitter posts in public and then things seem to go his way.

I read the other day about how Mexico was starting to police illegal Migrants going from Mexico to the US. Or the Time when he decided not to retaliate for the shooting down of a US drone.

Not many mentioned Hillary, the few that did just said they plain did not like or trust her. Their focus very much seemed to be on the current situation. I think the majority of the "what about Hilary" Brigade are to be found online. The average American seemed more interested in what is happening to them right now. Trust me, they are noticing the higher prices they are paying in stores thanks to the trade war - and the lower income States like Arkansas feel it especially hard. They know where to place the blame for that.

I guess it comes down to who they Trust more. The actions of the DNC in wholly embracing the radical left-wing are more likely to ensure another term for Trump. The question for your fellow Arkansans/Arkansawyers is whether or not the higher prices (with the promise of future riches) are worth voting for the DNC.

Trump maybe inflicting short-term (hopefull) pain with the Trade war, but as you said, China needed something done about it, People can and will blame Trump - however in reality, there's about 40 years worth of Presidents who failed to do anything about it.

Woodman

2nd October 2019, 12:34

And that is the Justification that every Dictator used when murdering Millions.

Mate, everyone thinks your stupid, not just dictators. :brick:

TheDemonLord

2nd October 2019, 12:45

Mate, everyone thinks your stupid, not just dictators. :brick:

Ah yes, the Mythical 'Everyone' that's invoked when your argument has nothing of actual substance.

sugilite

2nd October 2019, 12:52

It seemed to have worked with North Korea - I agree it's a very high-risk strategy, but given he's written about the approach that he takes, I think he places a lot more thought and analysis into it, but deliberately plays it as if he doesn't.

I guess it comes down to who they Trust more. The actions of the DNC in wholly embracing the radical left-wing are more likely to ensure another term for Trump. The question for your fellow Arkansans/Arkansawyers is whether or not the higher prices (with the promise of future riches) are worth voting for the DNC.

Trump maybe inflicting short-term (hopefull) pain with the Trade war, but as you said, China needed something done about it, People can and will blame Trump - however in reality, there's about 40 years worth of Presidents who failed to do anything about it.

To my mind, his North Korea thing was a shambles. Wind up some tension banging the war drums. Only to then turn around and give them the credibility and respect they craved. Will they give away their bargaining card (nukes) that got America to the table? Not a bloody chance. So Trump gave them what they wanted for nothing in return. I fail to see any "winning" in that lot.

Don't forget, the trade war has sucked colossal amounts of money out of local economies due to lost business for farming states and then the double whammy of a lot of goods going up in price. I learned that Americans are very, very much focused on image. Many lived in a house that was just about falling down, but had a near new pick up truck, or flash car parked outside. The throw away mentality has to be seen to be believed. I have many mind numbing examples. Like the federal prison up the road that every two years would buy a fleet of new lawn mowers, and push the old ones into a ditch and cover them over - regardless of condition. A town with over 15000 people in a farming community and not one single engineering shop - why? Because they do not fix anything, they throw it away and get a new one - no matter the machinery size or cost. A NZ based farming community that size would easily have 3 to 4 engineering shops. Americans are concerned about here and now and they sure as heck do not want to give up their throwaway lifestyle. They blame Trump for their current pain, and they are not wrong, his policies are hurting them bad. I honestly do not see re-election in his future.

TheDemonLord

2nd October 2019, 13:06

To my mind, his North Korea thing was a shambles. Wind up some tension banging the war drums. Only to then turn around and give them the credibility and respect they craved. Will they give away their bargaining card (nukes) that got America to the table? Not a bloody chance. So Trump gave them what they wanted for nothing in return. I fail to see any "winning" in that lot.

Simply getting to the negotiating table IMO was a Win. And one that he should get credit for (and doesn't get enough).

There are a few things I think you are spot on about - I don't see North Korea abandoning it's Nuclear Ambition anytime soon. At the same time, the possibility of getting the new Kim to at least be neutral and not so hostile, maybe providing North Korea a path back to redemption (I hate that I have to clarify that part of that would involve some massive internal changes).

Don't forget, the trade war has sucked colossal amounts of money out of local economies due to lost business for farming states and then the double whammy of a lot of goods going up in price. I learned that Americans are very, very much focused on image. Many lived in a house that was just about falling down, but had a near new pick up truck, or flash car parked outside. The throw away mentality has to be seen to be believed. I have many mind numbing examples. Like the federal prison up the road that every two years would buy a fleet of new lawn mowers, and push the old ones into a ditch and cover them over - regardless of condition. A town with over 15000 people in a farming community and not one single engineering shop - why? Because they do not fix anything, they throw it away and get a new one - no matter the machinery size or cost. A NZ based farming community that size would easily have 3 to 4 engineering shops. Americans are concerned about here and now and they sure as heck do not want to give up their throwaway lifestyle. They blame Trump for their current pain, and they are not wrong, his policies are hurting them bad. I honestly do not see re-election in his future.

We'll see, I'm sure they do blame Trump (everyone blames the current Administration for the issues Du Jour), it's whether they think the alternative will be any better - However much money they may be loosing to the Trade War, it'd likely be much worse under the 'socialist Green new Deal' of the type championed by the AOCs of this world.

pritch

2nd October 2019, 13:46

Simply getting to the negotiating table IMO was a Win. And one that he should get credit for (and doesn't get enough).

You are definitely a master of the wrong take. Kim Jong Un had wanted international recognition, the previous presidents refused to give it to him. Trump gave him all the trappings of an international statesman and got nothing in return. Intelligence suggests the DPRK continues its nuke programme unabated.

He is a crap deal maker. When his publisher was asked how much of "The Art Of The Deal" Trump had written, the reply was,
"He didn't even write us a Christmas card."

Trump doesn't read, his general knowledge is very poor, as is his vocabulary. As the consequences of his 'high crimes and misdemeanours' close in, his mental condition is going to deteriorate markedly and for someone in his condition to have access to the nuclear codes is a worry.

Here's a better take: https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/116224978/the-wave-is-rolling-and-it-wont-be-stopped

Laava

2nd October 2019, 14:04

TheDemonLord

2nd October 2019, 14:16

austingtir

2nd October 2019, 14:37

I read that article and have to agree. It just hits the nail on the head on every point. I dont concur tho about his downfall will be a joy to watch. Tragic in a way although I have zero pity for him. USA will have s bit of a cleanup to do...

I dont even need to read it to know its the delusions of some retarded lefty that doesnt have half a clue about whats going on.

As Trump said today the entire thing is an orchestrated COUP attempt on a duly elected president of the united states.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1179179573541511176

I feel Trump will soon have to take the kid gloves off and things are going to start to get real. These people that are staging the coup have to be held to account. And imo they will be. Because all the evidence of who has been frauding is now in the public domain and it WAS NOT TRUMP!!

These delusions of impeaching Trump are laughable to the absolute extreme.

What happens when he doesnt get impeached? What next?? Thats right you lot have got NOTHING left.

Que crazed libs screaming at the sky again ala 2016.

austingtir

2nd October 2019, 14:40

The Trump Ukraine timeline:

March 11, 2014
John O Brennan (CIA Director under Obama) admits that he indeed took a trip to Kiev, Ukraine to meet with Ukranian Officials. It is suggested in 2019 that his trip was not known because he used a fake passport
RT

-August 2014
Hunter and Joe Biden pictured golfing with Devon Archer, who served of the board of supervisors; Burisma Holdings which Victor Shokin later investigated for corruption
Spoiler!

-Middle March 2016
Joe Biden Strong Arms Ukraine with $1B USD into Firing Victor Shokin who was investigating Hunter Biden and Burisma. Brags about it in front of an audience but tells them it was becaue Shokin wasnt doing enough to investigate corrupt Ukrainian officials. Main Stream media and Democrat Politicians continue to parrot this lie

-End of March 2016
Ukraine's Prosecutor General says that 3 of Biden's lawyers meet with him to apologize for "dissemination false news" regarding the investigation of Ukrainian officials (Meaning telling everyone that Shokin was fired for not investigating corrupt officials rather than investigating Hunter Biden's corruption)
Prosecutor General Memo

-Jan 2017; Right as the Democrats take control of the House of Representatives. Most notably, the House Intelligence committee, Chaired by Adam Schiff (D-CA), and the House Judiciary Committee, Chaired by Jerry Nadler (D- NY)
"Let me tell you, you take on the intelligence community, they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you. So even for a practical, supposedly hard-nosed businessman, he’s being really dumb to do this.”

-March 20, 2019
Ukrainian Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko alleges he received a Do Not Prosecute List from Obama Appointed Ukrainian Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch

-March 21, 2019
IG Inspector Michael Horowitz confirms Year long probe into Obama Era Carter Page FISA Abuse Probe is still open

-April 1, 2019
The Hill reports with Victor Shokin (later gets fired in conjunction with pressure from Joe Biden and $1B USD)
that Joe Biden's gloating re-opens the investigation into Hunter Biden BECAUSE Joe Biden leave's out key details during his gloat session
The Hill

-April 7, 2019.
Ukraine reaches out to US Democrats to let them know of Biden's doings (New Administration in Ukraine, New party, New direction). Democrats turn them down.
The Hill

-April 2019
Victor Shokin releases his 12 page Affidavit online that says he was indeed fired for investigating Hunter Biden among other things
Victor Shokin Affidavit that democrats/MSM are ignoring

-May 24, 2018
Whistleblower requirements of 'first-hand' knowledge appears to be changed via the IC IG ICWPA Form 401 from 'reliable first hand knowledge' to 'second hand knowledge'
**Twitter Link
^^^^Second Picture, First Paragraph^^^^

**2nd Twitter Link

-June 20, 2019
Joe Biden refuses to answer questions regarding Hunter Biden's business dealings
ABC News

-July 25, 2019. Donald Trump asks President Zelinsky to re-open the investigation into Hunter Biden which was closed due to Joe Biden's interference on his phone call

-Aug 12, 2019
Whistleblower complaint filed

-Aug 22, 2019
IG Inspector Michael Horowitz Completes Carter Page (Obama Era) FISA Abuse Probe

-Aug 24, 2019
A staffer for Rep. Adam Schiff's House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence took a trip to Ukraine last month sponsored and organized by the Atlantic Council think tank (a partner of Burisma; the company that HUnter Biden was a Senior Board member of and Victor Shokin was fired for investigating for suspision of corruption)
Link

-Sept 24, 2019
Nancy Pelosi announces Impeachment inquiry

-Sept 25, 2109
Speaker of the House, Nancy Pelosi, admits she hasnt read the Trump-Ukraine transcript

-Sept 26, 2019
Adam Schiff fabricates "quotes" of the transcript the White House released in a hearing
Twitter Link

-Sept 26, 2019
DOJ releases memo that shows political bias on part of whistleblower
The Political Insider

-Sept 26, 2019
Washington Post:
Former Ukraine General Prosecutor Yuri Lutsenko says he found no evidence of corruption in Hunter Biden Case

-Sept 27, 2019
Former Ukranian Prime Minister says Ukraine must investigate to see if Hunter Biden complied with the country's laws
Ukraine MUST investigate Hunter Biden

-Sept 27, 2019
The Federalist reports on the Whistleblower requirements being altered
The Federalist

-Sept 28, 2019
CNN Incorrectly "Fact Checks" Trumps facts regarding Joe Biden's visit to Ukraine. They are inccorect regarding:
1. Shokin investigating Hunter Biden
2. Biden did indeed pressure Ukraine to fire Shokin
3. Biden LITERALLY brags about getting Shokin fired in a 2018 video
The rest is pretty much conjecture and "it seems as if" type "fact checking"
CNN "Fact Checking"

-Sept 30
Trump tweets about the rule change regarding the whistleblower rule and secondhand knowledge

-Main Stream Media IMMEDIATELY call it a conspiracy
*CNN
*The Huffington Post
*NBC News

-Sept 30, 2019
'60 Minutes' "misinterprets" Lawyers requests for Joseph Maguire, the director of national intelligence, for “appropriate resources to ensure [their client’s] safety” as the whistleblower under federal protection as they are afraid for their lives even though only the Intelligence community, the FBI and DOJ know their identity.
Politico

-Sept 30, 2019
NYT run the headline/tweet: Breaking News: President Trump pushed Australia's prime minister to help Attorney General William Barr in an investigation intended to rebut the Mueller inquiry. However, Trump states in an interview several days earlier that he "hopes Barr will look at UK, Australia and everyone."

The New York Times
Dan Bongino Explains why it is sensationalized via Bongino.com

-Oct 1, 2019
Investigation re-opened into former Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko

It is no co-incidence the dem's/MSM went into full freakout mode when they realized Trump, Guilliani and co were actually going to Ukraine and asking the current president of Ukraine to look into Biden and co.

jasonu

2nd October 2019, 16:15

If you don't talk to North Korea, eventually you'll have to go to war with them. Sweeping a problem under the carpet and ignoring it hasn't served any President well since the 1950s.

It baffles me that you can say he's a Crap Deal Maker - regardless of his Politics or your personal feelings on the matter, anyone who has reached the heights of business that he has, initial start-up loans or not, Bankruptcies or not, Must empirically be good at Deal Making, regardless of whether he wrote the book or not. I simply point to it because it appears to be the same strategy he employs:

"I'm gonna build a wall and Mexico is gonna pay for it!"
becomes
"Mexico tightens southern border security"

Is that the same as Jacinda not knowing the difference between China and Japan? Or not understanding the US Constitution? or any other N number of faux pas?

I don't know if Trump does or doesn't read, and yes - his manner of speaking is 'Unique', he's certainly not an Orator of the kind like JRM or Boris Johnson. His manner is 'plain' and yet, for him, it seems to work.

As for the Nuclear Codes - I again bring up his refusal to issue a retaliation strike for the US drone. I'm about 75% sure that all the US presidents in my living memory would have initiated some form of Military action for that. What does that say about Trump?

Is that Wave like the Blue wave that was meant to happen in the Mid-Terms?
Or is that like the 'Hilary is guaranteed to get in' wave?
Or that Britain won't vote to leave the EU?

We've seen and heard this sort of thing before, by the same groups of people, and each subsequent time it's turned out to be false, I see no reason to believe this time will be any different.

You are arguing with an ignorant old dick head. Don't waste your breath.

Woodman

2nd October 2019, 17:12

Ah yes, the Mythical 'Everyone' that's invoked when your argument has nothing of actual substance.

Also predictable.....

husaberg

2nd October 2019, 17:29

You are definitely a master of the wrong take. Kim Jong Un had wanted international recognition, the previous presidents refused to give it to him. Trump gave him all the trappings of an international statesman and got nothing in return. Intelligence suggests the DPRK continues its nuke programme unabated.

He is a crap deal maker. When his publisher was asked how much of "The Art OF The Deal" Trump had written, the reply was,
"He didn't even write us a Christmas card."

Trump doesn't read, his general knowledge is very poor, as is his vocabulary. As the consequences of his 'high crimes and misdemeanours' close in, his mental condition is going to deteriorate markedly and for someone in his condition to have access to the nuclear codes is a worry.

Here's a better take: https://www.stuff.co.nz/opinion/116224978/the-wave-is-rolling-and-it-wont-be-stopped

Someone's posting about trumps accomplishments also forgot that North Korea and South Koreaswere having negotiations well before trump got involved.

In May 2017 Moon Jae-in was elected President of South Korea with a promise to return to the Sunshine Policy.In his New Year address for 2018, North Korean leader Kim Jong-un proposed sending a delegation to the upcoming Winter Olympics in South Korea. The Seoul–Pyongyang hotline was reopened after almost two years.At the Winter Olympics, North and South Korea marched together in the opening ceremony and fielded a united women's ice hockey team.] As well as the athletes, North Korea sent an unprecedented high-level delegation, headed by Kim Yo-jong, sister of Kim Jong-un, and President Kim Yong-nam, and including performers like the Samjiyon Orchestra. A North Korean art troupe also performed in two separate South Korean cities, including Seoul, in honor of the Olympic games as well. The North Korean ship which carried the art troupe, Man Gyong Bong 92, was also the first North Korean ship to arrive in South Korea since 2002.The delegation passed on an invitation to President Moon to visit North Korea.

Following the Olympics, authorities of the two countries raised the possibility that they could host the 2021 Asian Winter Games together. On 1 April, South Korean K-pop stars performed a concert in Pyongyang entitled "Spring is Coming", which was attended by Kim Jong-un and his wife. The K-pop stars were part of a 160-member South Korean art troupe which performed in North Korea in early April 2018.It also marked the first time since 2005 that any South Korean artist performed in North Korea. Meanwhile, propaganda broadcasts stopped on both sides.

Kim and Moon shake hands in greeting at the demarcation line.
On 27 April, a summit took place between Moon and Kim in the South Korean zone of the Joint Security Area. It was the first time since the Korean War that a North Korean leader had entered South Korean territory.North Korean leader Kim Jong-un and South Korea's President Moon Jae-in met at the line that divides Korea.The summit ended with both countries pledging to work towards complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. They also vowed to declare an official end to the Korean War within a year. As part of the Panmunjom Declaration which was signed by leaders of both countries, both sides also called for the end of longstanding military activities in the region of the Korean border and a reunification of Korea.Also, the leaders agreed to work together to connect and modernise their railways.

On 5 May, North Korea adjusted its time zone to match the South's. In May, South Korea began removing propaganda loudspeakers from the border area in line with the Panmunjom Declaration.

Moon and Kim met a second time on 26 May to discuss Kim's upcoming summit with Trump

Also predictable.....

Remember whjen that crackpot tosser Yokel, used to post nutjob rants he found on a thread on a bodybuilding forum.
Have a read of this and see if it sounds familiar.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=177608891&p=1588934151#post1588934151
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131142420#post1131142420

I am not saying hes yokel of course:psst:
Just they clearly shared the same lead paint pasta and mercury pudding as kids:rolleyes:

austingtir

2nd October 2019, 17:35

Further on the Ukraine "whistleblower":

-“Disclosure of Urgent Concern” form may have been doctored, post factum, concerning the acceptance of 2nd hand information."

-"If you go into properties of the .pdf file of the form, it shows it was created on Sept 24, 2019. It also shows it was then modified on Sept 25th, 2019.
They tried to backdate it to August when the "whistleblower" submitted his complaint but the actual change in policy to allow hearsay was actually changed on Sept 24,2019 which was right after lawyers revealed the "whistleblower" cannot claim whistleblower protection because the law does not allow for hearsay. After that was being reported someone rushed in on 9/24/2019 and created a new form to allow hearsay then on 9/25/2019 they went back and modified the form to change the revision date to Rev: AUG 2019 which is not the proper format for the date.

"They are engaging in a cover up of a cover up to back date the new rule to Aug 2019 which is when the "whistleblower" submitted the complaint."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvGl11ONY7k

They are also COMPLETELY ignoring former Ukrainian PM saying that Ukraine SHOULD investigate Hunter Biden's corruptness
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1WC1T3

pritch

2nd October 2019, 18:35

You are arguing with an ignorant old dick head. Don't waste your breath.

As opposed to a completely thick young dick head who doesn't even know where he lives?

austingtir

2nd October 2019, 18:41

As opposed to a completely thick young dick head who doesn't even know where he lives?

I wouldnt care where I lived either if I had a thick young dick....

Just kidding I do.

husaberg

2nd October 2019, 18:57

I wouldnt care where I lived either if I had a thick young dick.....

You and katman share similar proclivities.

austingtir

2nd October 2019, 19:11

You and katman share similar proclivities.

Actually thats the second time iv taken the piss out of Pritch for posting similar stuff. Soon to be immortalized in the pointless drivel subforum im sure.

The "man's" got issues and a clear conscious isnt one.

husaberg

2nd October 2019, 19:17

Actually thats the second time iv taken the piss out of Pritch for posting similar stuff. Soon to be immortalized in the pointless drivel subforum im sure.

The "man's" got issues and a clear conscious isnt one.
You are clearly in a league of your own <div align="right" style="width:50%;float:right ;"><marquee direction="left" > when it come to a profound lack of intelligence</marquee></div>

austingtir

3rd October 2019, 07:39

Shifty Schiff proven to be a complete scam artist and Trump telling the MSM how it is and how its going to be.

(Big lawsuit's coming for the dems responsible for the mueller investigation and all the other treason and fraud)

https://youtu.be/yrcoPbUkjtA?t=2482

TheDemonLord

3rd October 2019, 08:21

Also predictable.....

As predictable as the 'compassionate' radical left-wing calling for Violence and Assassinations against people they don't like, then trying to sweep their hate-filled ulterior motives under the carpet...

Just remember, I'm not the one calling for Assassinations.
I'm also not the one criticizing people on their Gender or their Race.

pritch

3rd October 2019, 09:19

Bernie Sanders, Democratic presidential candidate, has been hospitalised for an artery blockage. Health of candidates is a concern in US elections and the advanced age of some of the current candidates makes it more relevant than usual.

I hope Sanders recovers, I also hope he decides to stay home and spend time with his grandkids.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/10/02/4bf1660a-e522-11e9-a331-2df12d56a80b_story.html

TheDemonLord

3rd October 2019, 09:55

Woodman

3rd October 2019, 12:24

As predictable as the 'compassionate' radical left-wing calling for Violence and Assassinations against people they don't like, then trying to sweep their hate-filled ulterior motives under the carpet...

Just remember, I'm not the one calling for Assassinations.
I'm also not the one criticizing people on their Gender or their Race.

Whatever, he still needs shooting.

TheDemonLord

3rd October 2019, 12:49

Whatever, he still needs shooting.

...
...
...

Whatever, they still need shooting.

pritch

3rd October 2019, 16:48

For those of you who may not know, Jacob Wohl and his mate are a couple of incompetent fuckwits. They are currently offering fifty thousand dollars for the identity of the whistle blower, although they might be able to scrape up fifty bucks between them. Last I heard Jacob Wohl was facing felony charges relating to his financial dealings.

Google his name, he's a laugh a minute.

These two previously announced a press conference, they had a witness to accuse Robert Mueller (he of the report) of sexual assault. Some press turned up but their accuser didn't. That's pretty much par for the course.

This is their latest. They are trying to bring down Democratic presidential candidate Elizabeth Warren by producing a 24 yo body building Marine who has allegedly been having an affair with the seventy year old Warren. The reaction so far is not quite what they might have expected. Rather than arousing disgust, it seems this would make Warren the envy of women everywhere.

Oh, and pardon their spelling.

austingtir

3rd October 2019, 17:39

^^

https://media.tenor.com/images/8d97b09f48928340f9c92a74aad9c776/tenor.gif

Your last post was about Comrade Bernie who nobody gives a rats ass about.

Now your plastering fake news all over the board again....

What the whistleblower did was treasonous because its all obviously politically motivated. If this person had a genuine case against Trump that actually held water then fine but he doesnt what the whistleblower has done is actually outright treason and I cant wait until Trump and co expose who it was because that person is going to be in the shit big time especially so after shifty schiff went to congress and made up stories about what Trump said.

How did Schiff manage to get in contact with this "whistleblower" before everyone else?

Did you know that what Schiff did is illegal on multiple levels? Not only did he bullshit his way through what Trump said but congress has rules against keeping whistleblower material to yourself. All of the intelligence committee in congress has to be informed on these matters and shifty Schiff did not to that.

Trump is rightly calling it treasonous and it is.

Not only that Schiff is also tied to Bidens crack head son's company.... And was headed to ukraine a few weeks back before this whole whisteblower thing blew up. Schiff is in the shit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=gEMuTMgquIQ

Guilliani dropping bombs on Biden:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOnOnobGIh4

sugilite

3rd October 2019, 18:41

(Big lawsuit's coming for the dems responsible for the mueller investigation and all the other treason and fraud)

Wow, even with your keenness to have Trumps nut-sack gently caressing your chin at every opputunity, you are still able to spout shit. Must be what ever Trump is packing is not enough to gag you huh?

That inquiry is not getting very far - is it? Not even any charges for Comey who was supposed to be one of the big instigators of it all. Remind me again, how many of Trumps team were charged and jailed for their dirty deeds?

austingtir

3rd October 2019, 19:34

Wow, even with your keenness to have Trumps nut-sack gently caressing your chin at every opputunity, you are still able to spout shit. Must be what ever Trump is packing is not enough to gag you huh?

That inquiry is not getting very far - is it? Not even any charges for Comey who was supposed to be one of the big instigators of it all. Remind me again, how many of Trumps team were charged and jailed for their dirty deeds?

Your realize this stuff is probably going to take 10 years to sort out right? Thats how much outright corruption they have to sort through.... all from those dem's you seem to think are all saints. Theres plenty of time to deal with Comey and co. And it wont be when you think.

Alteast somebody is naming names: Sue Gordon is the "whistleblower".... Doh, I bet she thought she was going to be anonymous through out this saga.... nope bitch your about to get served.

Imagine my shock when he mentions it all goes back to Ukraine again....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUJz0CBxzco

sugilite

3rd October 2019, 20:41

Overall, He's mostly kept to his Campaign promises, made a tenuous peace with North Korea

Tenuous indeed - to my eye peace with North Korea Looks a lot like pre-peace with North Korea.
https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6091486330001

pritch

3rd October 2019, 20:41

What the whistleblower did was treasonous because its all obviously politically motivated.

How did Schiff manage to get in contact with this "whistleblower" before everyone else?

Did you know that what Schiff did is illegal on multiple levels?

Unlike Trump I have read the US law of treason. In the US the law of treason only applies in time of war. The US is not currently at war with any of the relevant countries. Therefore nobody, including Trump himself, can be charged with treason.

The whistleblower acted lawfully, multiple federal prosecutors and former prosecutors have complimented his letter.

The whistleblower's complaint was forwarded to The Whitehouse, *that* was not suposed to happen. Not unnaturally it made the wb nervous. He took his problem to the Chair of the Intelligence Committee which is exactly what he was supposed to do according to the law.

Rudy Giuliani has now hired a lawyer. A good idea, he needs one. So does Trump.

austingtir

3rd October 2019, 21:08

Unlike Trump I have read the US law of treason. In the US the law of treason only applies in time of war. The US is not currently at war with any of the relevant countries. Therefore nobody, including Trump himself, can be charged with treason.

The whistleblower acted lawfully, multiple federal prosecutors and former prosecutors have complimented his letter.

The whistleblower's complaint was forwarded to The Whitehouse, *that* was not suposed to happen. Not unnaturally it made the wb nervous. He took his problem to the Chair of the Intelligence Committee which is exactly what he was supposed to do according to the law.

Rudy Giuliani has now hired a lawyer. A good idea, he needs one. So does Trump.

Its actually sedition and more likely espionage many of the dems could be charged with.

austingtir

3rd October 2019, 21:17

More evidence of collusion among all the members of the "cabal"....

https://www.judicialwatch.org/press-releases/judicial-watch-doj-docs-show-rosenstein-advising-mueller-the-boss-doesnt-know-about-their-communications/

When it looks like a COUP and sounds like a COUP it probably is a COUP.

TheDemonLord

4th October 2019, 08:08

Tenuous indeed - to my eye peace with North Korea Looks a lot like pre-peace with North Korea.
https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6091486330001

I don't disagree it's tenuous, I'm not so naive to think one meeting will turn back decades of iron-fisted tyranny - but the fact they are talking (considering all previous interactions with North Korea) is a big first step.

It could amount to nothing - oh well, we tried, we failed, time to try something else.
It could amount to something Bad - Not much different from the previous trajectory that NK was on.
It could amount to something good - Huzzah!

Or perhaps to put it a different way - If Obama had managed to have the first talk with North Korea - the Media would be shlurping his Dong as if it was the fountain of Youth and Knowledge, whilst simultaneously huffing his farts and declaring them to be the most aromatically pleasing thing that they had ever whiffed.

oldrider

4th October 2019, 10:13

austingtir

4th October 2019, 12:04

Democrats want to impeach a president for trying to expose a crime, then elect the person who actually committed the crime? - :scratch:

https://treason.news/2019-09-30-dems-want-impeach-president-exposing-crime-elect-the-criminal.html - :corn:

The backlash at the next election is going to be glorious to watch the american people (majority of them) now realize what has been going on...:

https://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/4abdc58da3.jpg

pritch

4th October 2019, 14:30

Democrats want to impeach a president for trying to expose a crime, then elect the person who actually committed the crime? -

Nothing to ponder there. Trump tweeted today that he was entitled to run an investigation. Bollocks! The Federal Bureau of Investigation exists for that, the hint is in the name. What he did, and continues to do, is an impeachable offence.

There was some light relief today though. I'll get to it later.

pritch

4th October 2019, 15:34

Congressman McCarthy, leader of the Republicans in the US House of Representatives, sent a letter to Nancy Pelosi asking that she hold a vote on the impeachment inquiry into Trump's alleged bribery of the President of Ukraine.

This is the text of her reply:

October 3, 2019

The Honorable Kevin McCarthy

Republican Leader

H-204, The Capitol

Washington, D.C. 20515

Dear Leader McCarthy,

As Members of Congress, we take a solemn oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

The existing rules of the House provide House Committees with full authority to conduct investigations for all matters under their jurisdiction, including impeachment investigations. There is no requirement under the Constitution, under House Rules, or House precedent that the whole House vote before proceeding with an impeachment inquiry.

As you know, our Founders were specifically intent on ensuring that foreign entities did not undermine the integrity of our elections. I received your letter this morning shortly after the world witnessed President Trump on national television asking yet another foreign power to interfere in the upcoming 2020 elections. We hope you and other Republicans share our commitment to following the facts, upholding the Constitution, protecting our national security, and defending the integrity of our elections at such a serious moment in our nation’s history.

best regards,

NANCY PELOSI

Speaker of the House

nerrrd

4th October 2019, 19:07

When it looks like a COUP and sounds like a COUP it probably is a COUP.

Yeah that Mike Pence is pretty sneaky, getting congress to try and remove the president so he can take his job.

austingtir

4th October 2019, 19:15

austingtir

4th October 2019, 20:00

Surely even you never Trumpers have to see this is just getting way past absurd now.

These people need to be hung end of story. You cant have people running around leaking a presidents convos just because they dont like him.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/breaking-another-leaker-anti-trump-deep-state-operative-leaks-trump-china-call-info-to-fake-news-cnn/

oldrider

4th October 2019, 20:05

Magic - Tar Baby Ukraine? :rolleyes: http://www.unz.com/emargolis/tar-baby-ukraine/ - :scratch: - Something else will emerge soon - watch this space! - Iran anyone? :msn-wink:

austingtir

4th October 2019, 20:16

Yeah that Mike Pence is pretty sneaky, getting congress to try and remove the president so he can take his job.

Its the CIA that is leading the Coup.

https://youtu.be/by4MzrVODeQ

pritch

5th October 2019, 10:21

husaberg

5th October 2019, 11:04

A long read but a good one. The author is apparently a respected member of the US legal profession. More surprisingly he is the husband of that blonde harpy, Trump's special advisor, Kellyanne Conway. She of the "alternative facts". They must have some intersting converstaions over dinner.

https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-uds-cse&cx=011155507021793277500:q1wrtf3mvmu&q=https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/george-conway-trump-unfit-office/599128/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjChOHn0IPlAhVOinAKHeyJAW4QFjAAegQIABAC&usg=AOvVaw2TQ7lxzQpvUOJYPGKxTioL

That has some petty decent English verbiage

shibboleths
inured

i never seen the clip of Trup claiming he would be a hero and run into intervene in a school massacre armed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZKWcXms1iE
Which is hilarious given his repeated draft dodging

oldrider

5th October 2019, 11:10

A long read but a good one. The author is apparently a respected member of the US legal profession. More surprisingly he is the husband of that blonde harpy, Trump's special advisor, Kellyanne Conway. She of the "alternative facts". They must have some intersting converstaions over dinner.

https://www.google.com/url?client=internal-uds-cse&cx=011155507021793277500:q1wrtf3mvmu&q=https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/10/george-conway-trump-unfit-office/599128/&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjChOHn0IPlAhVOinAKHeyJAW4QFjAAegQIABAC&usg=AOvVaw2TQ7lxzQpvUOJYPGKxTioL

All that would have greater meaning if Trump was really the POTUS instead of being simply another one of a long list of compromised toadies manipulated into the office. - :corn:

pritch

5th October 2019, 11:34

All that would have greater meaning if Trump was really the POTUS instead of being simply another one of a long list of compromised toadies manipulated into the office. - :corn:

'Southpark' summed it up, "You only ever get choice between a giant douche and a turd sandwich."

Husaberg,

IIRC that trump quote came in the aftermath of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School shooting in Florida. It transpired that there was an armed cop on duty but he had not entered the building. In fact when the neighbouring police force arrived they were incredulous that none of the sheriffs deputies on the scene by then had yet entered the building.

Trump, a five time draft dodger, famous for having heel spurs, and who hasn't run anywhere in decades, said he would run in to confront the gunman even if he was unarmed.

Strangely, I can only imagine him charging anywhere in a golf cart, but definitely not toward danger.

Katman

5th October 2019, 12:05

That has some petty decent English verbiage.

With not a coalesce in sight.

husaberg

5th October 2019, 13:03

With not a coalesce in sight.
That post there is the classic example of what was in the article about trump that Pritch posted.
That's clealy illustrates just the difference between a narcissist like you and Trump and other people, People that are not narcissists admit when they are wrong. You are just like trump, as you never admit it even when it is obvious to anyone with half a brain you are clearly wrong. But you hypocritically toss out insults with little ability to comprehend how silly it makes you look.
Who do you think you are fooling with your wounded narcissist routine. Do you seriously think because i got a word wrong once and like a man admitted it, that means the hundreds of times you have been proven wrong never happened. Get a grip.
Maybe you should see if that is one of the many cost effective alternatives to 1080 you spoke of for remote areas, or if that was the works the 150kg calves you claimed were sent to imediately after a redeo when this never happens.
Or if ti was the patent for the Geet engine you claimed was a break breakthrough when everyone told you it was a hoax.

Bob nailed it the other day you contribute nothing to this site, you are basically nothing more than a parasite. Your posts are not even related to the subject just you trying to troll for attention.

Katman

5th October 2019, 14:15

Do you seriously think because i got a word wrong....

Yeah, the "they mean the same thing" (complete with double facepalm) was particularly side-splitting.

:killingme

husaberg

5th October 2019, 14:47

Yeah, the "they mean the same thing" (complete with double facepalm) was particularly side-splitting.

:killingme

Ignoring the stuff that shows you to be an epic narcissist doesnt mean you are not an epic narcist, it only further shows you are a narcissist

That post there is the classic example of what was in the article about trump that Pritch posted.
That's clealy illustrates just the difference between a narcissist like you and Trump and other people, People that are not narcissists admit when they are wrong. You are just like trump, as you never admit it even when it is obvious to anyone with half a brain you are clearly wrong. But you hypocritically toss out insults with little ability to comprehend how silly it makes you look.
Who do you think you are fooling with your wounded narcissist routine. Do you seriously think because i got a word wrong once and like a man admitted it, that means the hundreds of times you have been proven wrong never happened. Get a grip.
Maybe you should see if that is one of the many cost effective alternatives to 1080 you spoke of for remote areas, or if that was the works the 150kg calves you claimed were sent to imediately after a redeo when this never happens.
Or if ti was the patent for the Geet engine you claimed was a break breakthrough when everyone told you it was a hoax.

Bob nailed it the other day you contribute nothing to this site, you are basically nothing more than a parasite. Your posts are not even related to the subject just you trying to troll for attention.
Do you have anything to contribute to the thread, about the topic, or are you just trolling for attention. Like all your other posts in this thread have been thus far.

oldrider

5th October 2019, 15:01

Steady husaberg your Saul Alinsky training is beginning to expose your agenda. ("Ridicule is man's most potent weapon" - said Hillary Clinton's mentor radical communist Saul Alinsky)

austingtir

5th October 2019, 15:39

Bob nailed it the other day you contribute nothing to this site, you are basically nothing more than a parasite. Your posts are not even related to the subject just you trying to troll for attention.

Pot/kettle black much?

husaberg

5th October 2019, 17:00

Pot/kettle black much?

Oh really, Trump is that repugnant he has to get his wives via mail order, Do you know anyone like that? someone utterly repugnant to the opposite sex that they cant even find someone interested without ordering a wife out of a catalogue
So where exactly is your wife from again?

Steady husaberg your Saul Alinsky training is beginning to expose your agenda. ("Ridicule is man's most potent weapon" - said Hillary Clinton's mentor radical communist Saul Alinsky)
Ridiicule you mean like pointing out how Trumps father was a member of the KKK.
Have you ever been a member of the KKK Oldie?
What do you think of those that post endless torrents of unsolicited racist material like the KKK does

Katman

5th October 2019, 17:11

So where exactly is your wife from again?

You're hardly in any position to accuse others of repugnance.

husaberg

5th October 2019, 17:14

You're hardly in any position to accuse others of repugnance.

There you go again with that Trump like narcissistic ego posting hypocritical comments, You cant even respond to complete posts.
Your opinion is tainted as its based on me proving you wrong hundreds of times, thus hurting your fragile narcissistic ego that much you clearly cant handle it.
Imagine if Trump had that little control over his anger he tweeted "suck my cock" every time someone proved him wrong.
What you pople think about him would that gain him voters. Or would it make him look pathetic and weak minded?
But we digress what do you think about those who order mail order brides, do you consider that to be human trafficking? is it repugnant?
We know trump prefers to import his wives from the eastern block, what about kiwis who order mail order brides. Are they repugnant individuals?
what about people who brag they like to walk up to a woman and grab them by the pussy or grab them and kiss them are they repugnant like trump bragged?
Or what about those that claim women enjoy being raped are they repugnant?
Or what about those that seek to regulate what a woman can do with their pregnancy even if they were raped like trump has?
ps have you posted even one post about the subject of the thread yet, or are you just troll posting because you just cant help yourself.

austingtir

5th October 2019, 17:49

^^"This user is on your ignore list"

http://giphygifs.s3.amazonaws.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif

pritch

6th October 2019, 09:18

It's reported from multiple sources today that DPRK have walked out of the nuclear talks. They also launched a new missile from a submarine this week. So much winning!

oldrider

6th October 2019, 09:50

Who said facts are not funny? - http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.com/ - :laugh:

austingtir

6th October 2019, 10:54

Well subtle they aint:

Unbelievable, basically saying outright that they are corrupt scumbags....

https://twitter.com/DemocratsUnited/status/1180540183562870784

She legit thinks shes clever.

oldrider

6th October 2019, 13:04

The highest homeless population in the United States? - Really? :rolleyes: https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1180434345535922176?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow% 7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - Who'da thought? :msn-wink:

pritch

6th October 2019, 17:59

The highest homeless population in the United States? - Really? :rolleyes:

Geez John, Charlie Kirk will rot your brain. His crap is particularly popular with the Dunning-Kruger set.

oldrider

8th October 2019, 08:13

‘Time to get out of these ridiculous endless wars’: Trump orders US pullback from Syrian border before Turkish operation begins https://www.rt.com/news/470361-us-syria-tribal-wars/ ?

pritch

8th October 2019, 08:51

‘Time to get out of these ridiculous endless wars’: Trump orders US pullback from Syrian border before Turkish operation begins https://www.rt.com/news/470361-us-syria-tribal-wars/ ?

When he announced this insanity my first thought was that Erdogan must have approved a Trump hotel in Turkey.

This morning there are comments that he will have done it on Putin's instructions. And here you are posting the first approving article I've seen, and it's Russia Today. What a coincidence.

Should you think my use of the word 'insanity' inappropriate, consider this Trump tweet from this morning:

"As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over..."

(Emphasis mine.)

oldrider

8th October 2019, 09:17

Like Arnold Schwarzenegger - I guess he (Donald) will be "BACK"! :soon: .(That is if he ever leaves?) - :wait:

oldrider

8th October 2019, 09:45

New Weapons and the New Tactics Which They Make Possible: Three Examples:- http://www.unz.com/tsaker/new-weapons-and-the-new-tactics-which-they-make-possible-three-examples/ - :corn:

austingtir

8th October 2019, 16:50

When he announced this insanity my first thought was that Erdogan must have approved a Trump hotel in Turkey.

This morning there are comments that he will have done it on Putin's instructions. And here you are posting the first approving article I've seen, and it's Russia Today. What a coincidence.

Should you think my use of the word 'insanity' inappropriate, consider this Trump tweet from this morning:

"As I have stated strongly before, and just to reiterate, if Turkey does anything that I, in my great and unmatched wisdom, consider to be off limits, I will totally destroy and obliterate the Economy of Turkey (I’ve done before!). They must, with Europe and others, watch over..."

(Emphasis mine.)

Considering he originally basically announced his foreign policy in 2016 when he was campaigning and is carrying out exactly what those that voted for him voted for I suspect you should save your hyperventilating outrage for later and wait and see what happens.

The way I see it, it cant be any worse than Obama and Hillaries foreign policy which got everyone in this mess to start with.

https://i.imgur.com/u02RkAi.png

As if we need any more proof the average person is brainwashed:

"The USA meddles in other countries too much! they should not be the world police!"

"The USA leaving N. Syria will endanger the Kurds!!!" (when nobody really honestly gives a shit about the kurds anyway).

Its not a terrible decision imo as if Turkey does anything then Trump can paint them as the bad guys and im all for that.

And what cracks me up even further to you two's reaction to this is: “This does not constitute a withdrawal from Syria. We’re talking about a small number of troops that will move to other bases within Syria,” the official noted, citing 50-100 troops in the region.

50-100 troops.

LMFAO at the MSM and you idiots.

austingtir

10th October 2019, 11:15

Never stop Trolling you mad bastard:

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1181968273333719041?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1181968273333719041&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediae mbed%2Fdfjf76%3Fresponsive%3Dtrue%26is_nightmode%3 Dfalse

Obama must of thought Hillary would do it.

pete376403

10th October 2019, 21:23

Sure didn't take long for Turkey to begin the offensive against the former US allies.

austingtir

11th October 2019, 07:55

Sure didn't take long for Turkey to begin the offensive against the former US allies.

Its all just further proof of why Turkey should of never been admitted into NATO.

They tell us in the west one thing but when you look into them they just constantly stabbing us in the back. They were buying ISIS oil off them when isis controlled those areas and helping them hop the border in and out of turkey to avoid the kurds/US/syrians killing them. They also were quite happy to let all the "refugees" fvck europe up among other things.

Now they clearly want all their pet terrorists back that the kurds have stored away in prisons.

That all said Trump has done a deal with the Turks I would imagine as long as they dont go completely crazy and start killing everyone he wont give much of a crap what they do as Iran is the bigger issue for Trump.

The Russia/Iran/Assad alliance has won the war in Syria. Saudi and the USA will now just try to minimize the damage. But imo the damage was done long ago because of the failed wars in Iraq and Afghanistan Iran now has a strong foothold in both countries and Syria now as well.

Trump is right the last near 20 years of wars in the middle east have been a geopolitical disaster.

Banditbandit

11th October 2019, 11:41

That all said Trump has done a deal with the Turks I would imagine as long as they dont go completely crazy and start killing everyone he wont give much of a crap what they do as Iran is the bigger issue for Trump.

You are fucking kidding me !!!! Killing innocent people who were the allies (last week they were allies) and whose people have given their lives to fight on the same side as you, is not a big issue???

Fuck me - Trump, like you, is completely ammoral ..

bastard can't be trusted ..

TheDemonLord

11th October 2019, 11:48

bastard can't be trusted ..

Except he's done exactly what he said he was going to do, not usually a reason to distrust someone.

Viking01

11th October 2019, 11:59

This Middle Eastern (and US) politics is all so confusing for my old
brain. Especially this latest Turkish foray into eastern Syria (or into
"Syrian Kurdistan" for want of a clearer label).

1. Clear Messages

First, Don gives Erdogan a "message" that if he does something that
he (Trump) doesn't like, he (Trump) will "wreak destruction upon the
Turkish economy" if Turkey goes "off limits" :

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-49966216

So, what does "off limits" mean ?

Does it mean "defeat the YPG", or "kill scores of Kurdish civilians"
(in Syria) ?

or does it possibly mean:

Close airbases used by the US (like Incirclik) in Turkey ? Tell the
US to take their nuclear weapons home ?

I appreciate that it's hard to make all things crystal clear in 140
characters, but sometimes I wish Don would make the effort.

Perhaps two tweets next time ?

2. Allies and Alliances

Next, if he (Trump) is concerned about the Kurds, what's with this
business about "getting US forces out of harm's way", and "scuttling
across the border from Syrian Kurdistan to Iraqi Kurdistan" ?

https://southfront.org/dozens-of-u-s-service-members-withdrew-from-northeast-syria-sana/

I mean, how does this work ?

You (supposedly) use the Syrian Kurds to "fight your ISIS battles".
But then when the Turks threaten to attack them (Syrian Kurds),
you (the US) first refuse to help defend them, and then second,
your forces "retreat" to Iraqi Kurdistan ?

Are the Syrian Kurds not getting a "rough deal" ?

Are the "Iraqi Kurds" not brothers-in-arms with the "Syrian Kurds" ?

Surely the Iraqi government (or what passes for it these days) has
something to say on this action by the US ?

The BBC published an article on "the Kurds" earlier, and I thought
that I was slowly starting to get an understanding:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-29702440

But now I'm just confused again.

I just wish the US administration would paint a "clearer picture"
on what and who they stand for (in eastern Syria, at least).

Maybe I've just been looking at the "wrong picture ?

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/07/06/the-only-strategic-rationale-for-americas-involvement-in-syria-finally-revealed/

austingtir

11th October 2019, 12:25

You are fucking kidding me !!!! Killing innocent people who were the allies (last week they were allies) and whose people have given their lives to fight on the same side as you, is not a big issue???

Fuck me - Trump, like you, is completely ammoral ..

bastard can't be trusted ..

Trump had a phone call with Erdogan. Then this happened. Thats why I say they've done a deal. The MSM will hyperventilate their projected outrage and you will play along like you always do.... because "orange man bad".

Acting like anyone is innocent in a war is kinda absurd BTW.

As I said before the Kurds for the most part are a hard left based group. The US only backed them to stop ISIS and keep a foothold in Syria if the conditions changed enough for a full on intervention which it didnt. That is done (probably for now until the next iteration inevitably springs up).. If the Kurds wanted to be backed long term perhaps they shouldnt be such ardent leftist's they even had ANTIFA turds over there helping them who were even claiming they would go back to the USA with their "training" and wreck havoc.

Innocent my ass.

Its time for people in the west to wake up. The time of communist/hard socialist groups dictating to everyone what they can say and do is coming to an end.

Look at the recent happenings with the Houston Rockets owner and his complete and utter blunder in taking the knee for China's money. That entire thing is a total disgrace and the majority of americans are totally disgusted and sick and tired of US owned companies cow towing to china or similar for $$$$. Sure they are just being typical capitalists but that shit has to stop it wouldn't of flown during the cold war with Russia and it shouldnt fly now. There are plenty of dead US soldiers bodies in the ground that fought for this stuff just for one generation of halfwits to throw it all away.

People in NZ need to take a hard look at themselves to as we cowtow to China far to much as well.

Times are changing and it's well overdue.

austingtir

11th October 2019, 12:41

This Middle Eastern (and US) politics is all so confusing for my old
brain. Especially this latest Turkish foray into eastern Syria (or into
"Syrian Kurdistan" for want of a clearer label).

I just wish the US administration would paint a "clearer picture"
on what and who they stand for (in eastern Syria, at least).

Maybe I've just been looking at the "wrong picture ?

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2019/07/06/the-only-strategic-rationale-for-americas-involvement-in-syria-finally-revealed/

Its simple (kind of) the entire Syria war was a proxy war over gas pipelines to europe. We have Assad/Russia/Iran as one group and the USA/Kurds/Saudi Arabia backing the other pipeline route. Then we have the likes of Turkey and the Israeli's (just backing whoever fitted their interests the best in many cases ISIS)... While pretending to back the US and co.

The USA backing the Kurds was entirely to this aim. Now that the other side have clearly won this war the americans see it as nothing more than a money pit and are rightly getting out of it.

Thats the truth!

https://i.imgur.com/Lw2EZoM.jpg

Viking01

11th October 2019, 13:35

Its simple (kind of) the entire Syria war was a proxy war over gas pipelines to europe. We have Assad/Russia/Iran as one group and the USA/Kurds/Saudi Arabia backing the other pipeline route. Then we have the likes of Turkey and the Israeli's (just backing whoever fitted their interests the best in many cases ISIS)... While pretending to back the US and co.

The USA backing the Kurds was entirely to this aim. Now that the other side have clearly won this war the americans see it as nothing more than a money pit and are rightly getting out of it.

Thats the truth!

https://i.imgur.com/Lw2EZoM.jpg

Next, you'll be telling me that it is somehow related to the idea of Greece as
a gas hub, and to some of the other recent goings-on in the Mediterranean
region e.g.

https://www.thenationalherald.com/200106/cyprus-israel-greece-push-for-gas-pipeline-to-europe/

https://www.checkpointasia.net/eu-sanctions-turkey-for-illegal-oil-drilling-around-cyprus-ankara-fires-back-by-tearing-up-anti-

migrant-agreement/

https://russia-insider.com/en/economics/us-builds-bulwark-against-growing-russian-influence-eastern-med/ri27542

https://southfront.org/greece-expels-russian-diplomats-hidden-agenda-behind-unfriendly-move/

oldrider

11th October 2019, 14:24

`US Troops are NOT Leaving Syria - :oi-grr:

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sugilite

11th October 2019, 16:19

Buckle up Trumpeteers this is going to be a rough ride!
Two of Giulianis men racing to the airport to leave the country (under Trumps team orders no doubt) and snap, they get arrested. So much to unpack and you can bet Trump is packing his undies full of poo right now.
*Trumps hand on Giulianis shoulder - "Oh look here comes a bus Rudy" :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5y7wjyn6HRk

austingtir

11th October 2019, 18:18

sugilite

11th October 2019, 19:06

I suggest you dont make a career out of clutching at straws!!

Glad to see you agree I'm not clutching at straws :facepalm:

I commend your commitment at wanting to ride this turd all the way to the sewer, nay the sea!

Sooooo, the latest fox poll has more than 50% of Americans wanting him impeached AND removed. And that was before this bombshell.

Ride em cowboy austingtir, ride em cowboy :woohoo:

austingtir

11th October 2019, 19:45

Glad to see you agree I'm not clutching at straws :facepalm:

I commend your commitment at wanting to ride this turd all the way to the sewer, nay the sea!

Sooooo, the latest fox poll has more than 50% of Americans wanting him impeached AND removed. And that was before this bombshell.

Ride em cowboy austingtir, ride em cowboy :woohoo:

Those same polls that had the crooked one winning the last election by 98%???

So who's the one thats really riding the turd here?

"Orange man bad".... It never ends.

LMFAO
""Hunter, you're a loser. Why did you get $1.5 billion, Hunter? JOE BIDEN WAS NEVER A GOOD SENATOR. HE WAS NEVER GOOD AT ANYTHING. HE WAS ONLY GOOD AT KISSING BARACK OBAMA'S ASS!

https://youtu.be/_yx0AV4c_Cc

austingtir

11th October 2019, 20:41

https://shop.donaldjtrump.com/products/wheres-hunter-tee

"*Made in USA (not Ukraine or China)
*No Prior Experience Required
*No Actual Work Required"
https://giphygifs.s3.amazonaws.com/media/pHMtogPBHC7Cg/giphy.gif

Lordy, we aint even fully into the election cycle yet....

sugilite

11th October 2019, 21:10

Those same polls that had the crooked one winning the last election by 98%???

It was a FOX poll, you know the Trump fan boy channel. So you know it is bad.

Orange corrupt man - if it was Jacinda doing the same shit you would be tying her a noose.
Get real FFS

austingtir

11th October 2019, 21:54

It was a FOX poll, you know the Trump fan boy channel. So you know it is bad.

Orange corrupt man - if it was Jacinda doing the same shit you would be tying her a noose.
Get real FFS

Nope wrong again. Some of us have been around long enough to know who own's fox.

Newsflash they aint Trump fans.

All MSM is propaganda end of story.

jasonu

12th October 2019, 02:55

It was a FOX poll,

Let's see it.

austingtir

13th October 2019, 09:43

Ilhan and boyfriend caught at violent antifa rally outside Trump rally.

https://twitter.com/ccpicusa/status/1182802674573627395

sugilite

13th October 2019, 10:06

Let's see it.
In the video i posted above

sugilite

13th October 2019, 10:07

Nope wrong again. Some of us have been around long enough to know who own's fox.

Newsflash they aint Trump fans.

All MSM is propaganda end of story.
So all the Trump fawning going on over there is???????

austingtir

13th October 2019, 10:12

So all the Trump fawning going on over there is???????

Maybe they are just telling the truth?

Dude is doing an amazing job. Prove me wrong.

China bending the knee...

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/11/769469085/trump-announces-phase-one-of-trade-deal-with-china

Im sure CNN can spin this but those of us with an IQ above room temperature can see it for what it is.

Winning.

husaberg

13th October 2019, 10:15

https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/10/10/20907864/fox-news-impeachment-poll-trump
They have finally turned on the orange Worm. the most right wing of the mainstream has nown even turned on the orange clownatang
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austingtir

13th October 2019, 10:23

https://i.imgur.com/NJBhnHi.jpg

austingtir

13th October 2019, 15:55

sugilite

13th October 2019, 20:06

TheDemonLord

14th October 2019, 07:52

How come you don't chase Trumps corruption with the same zest?
The orange turd is not getting reelected with over 50% of Americans now wanting him impeached and REMOVED.
Bye bye Trump and bye bye you as I bet you won't be around this forum anymore when your hero is exposed as the total fraud he is. God knows you are not here to talk about motorcycles Mr 1 (bike related) post.

We'll see.

The Polls said he'd never win the Primary.
The Polls said he'd never beat Hilary.
The Polls said he'd be out at the Mid-terms.
The Polls said that the UK would remain in the EU.

Banditbandit

14th October 2019, 10:01

Ilhan is a Muslim Brotherhood Qatari Agent and he has the paperwork to prove it

https://www.pscp.tv/w/1eaJbAeZYWvGX

I knew something like this would come out about that scumbag and I bet this is just the tip of the iceberg for her.

This isnt the first time this guy has exposed her links to qatar.

A Qatari agent??? Fuck me - how little you know about the world, you ignorant little willie ... Qatar is an ally of the USA - and has a major base there.

"Qatar has recently signed defense pacts with the United States and United Kingdom, as well as with France earlier in 1994.

Qatar plays an active role in the collective defense efforts of the Gulf Cooperation Council; the other five members are Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, the UAE, and Oman.

The presence of the large Al Udeid Air Base, operated by the United States and several other UN nations, provides a guaranteed source of defense and national security."

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Secretary_Pompeo_Meets_With_Qatari_Minister_of_For eign_Affairs_Sheikh_Mohammed_bin_Abdulrahman_Al_Th ani_%2840723423453%29.jpg/220px-Secretary_Pompeo_Meets_With_Qatari_Minister_of_For eign_Affairs_Sheikh_Mohammed_bin_Abdulrahman_Al_Th ani_%2840723423453%29.jpg

Pompeo met with the deputy PM earlier this year ..

sugilite

14th October 2019, 10:13

We'll see.

The Polls said he'd never win the Primary.
The Polls said he'd never beat Hilary.
The Polls said he'd be out at the Mid-terms.
The Polls said that the UK would remain in the EU.

Since those polls taken before an election he narrowly won he has...
Started the clumsy trade war with China.
Fucked the Ethanol industry.
Fucked farming in general.
Exposed himself as woefully unqualified in foreign affairs and many other aspects of the job.
Shown his disregard for the law brazenly in public many many times.
Constantly embarrasses large amounts of the population with incoherent public ramblings.
Absolutely exhausting the American public with never ending turmoil and controversy of his own making.
Been exposed as the lyingest President in history ever.
and so mind numbingly more.

Now I get arsestinger is just a simplistic moron who's critical thinking consists solely of right is right left is wrong. But I have always given you credit as having above average intelligence. Which leads me to believe Demonlord is just bored and here to troll :devil2:

Arsestinger ignorantly blurts out China bends the knee, when very much like the Korea situation, Trump is in fact giving China what they have wanted all along - A LIMITED trade deal. So much winning? Hardly.

austingtir

14th October 2019, 10:28

....

You are in denial for three years and counting!

Trump won that election resoundingly. The electoral college is all that matters and he won that easily. He would of also won the popular vote if not for all the voting fraud.

You are a brainwashed joke.

austingtir

14th October 2019, 10:31

A Qatari agent??? Fuck me - how little you know about the world, you ignorant little willie ... Qatar is an ally of the USA - and has a major base there.

"Qatar has recently signed defense pacts with the United States and United Kingdom, as well as with France earlier in 1994.

Qatar plays an active role in the collective defense efforts of the Gulf Cooperation Council; the other five members are Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain, the UAE, and Oman.

The presence of the large Al Udeid Air Base, operated by the United States and several other UN nations, provides a guaranteed source of defense and national security."

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0e/Secretary_Pompeo_Meets_With_Qatari_Minister_of_For eign_Affairs_Sheikh_Mohammed_bin_Abdulrahman_Al_Th ani_%2840723423453%29.jpg/220px-Secretary_Pompeo_Meets_With_Qatari_Minister_of_For eign_Affairs_Sheikh_Mohammed_bin_Abdulrahman_Al_Th ani_%2840723423453%29.jpg

Pompeo met with the deputy PM earlier this year ..

Acting like "allies" dont spy on each other and have rogues in the group.

Laughable to the extreme.

It would be nice to live in this fairytale world you live in but it doesnt exist.

Britain helped Obama spy on Trump prior to the 2016 election and everyone that isnt a complete retard knows this.

Allies my fucking ass. You dont even know the meaning of the word.

TheDemonLord

14th October 2019, 10:56

Since those polls taken before an election he narrowly won he has...
Started the clumsy trade war with China.
Fucked the Ethanol industry.
Fucked farming in general.
Exposed himself as woefully unqualified in foreign affairs and many other aspects of the job.
Shown his disregard for the law brazenly in public many many times.
Constantly embarrasses large amounts of the population with incoherent public ramblings.
Absolutely exhausting the American public with never ending turmoil and controversy of his own making.
Been exposed as the lyingest President in history ever.
and so mind numbingly more.

Now I get arsestinger is just a simplistic moron who's critical thinking consists solely of right is right left is wrong. But I have always given you credit as having above average intelligence. Which leads me to believe Demonlord is just bored and here to troll :devil2:

Arsestinger ignorantly blurts out China bends the knee, when very much like the Korea situation, Trump is in fact giving China what they have wanted all along - A LIMITED trade deal. So much winning? Hardly.

Part Trolling for sure, I like that Trump has lit fires in many places - When I look at US Politics, like many places - there are a good number of people who are far too comfortable. The amount of Nepotism is too high for my liking and a bit too blatant.

I also like that he's anathema to the Radical Left, and causes them to wail and Gnash their teeth, frothing at the mouth.

But in seriousness - I'm prepared to accept that Trump is being foolish (All Politicians are never exempt from that) - but I was reading today (as an example) that due to Trump's threats to Mexico, they've upped the Border security on their side - and have increased their capture rates of attempted illegal immigrants by 50+% - so I look at that and think:

Do you remember his rhetorhic 'We're gonna build a wall and Mexico's gonna pay for it!' - Remember how he was ridiculed for the statement and how the Mexican President adamantly denied they do any such thing?

What has happened recently, although isn't Mexico building a wall, isn't a million miles away from his statement either. And it's things like this, that from my perspective keep happening. That he starts full of bluster and grandiose claims, only to dial it back to what was needed.

Or the story about Nuking a Hurricane, only to have a leaky Staffer dismissed. It could be luck, it could be skill, it could be something else.

I could be wrong, We'll see at the next election whether anyone else shares that assessment.

austingtir

14th October 2019, 11:20

Hardly any MSM reporting the shear amount of african migrant "refugees" who mostly managed to afford plane tickets to fly or get on a boat to some south american shithole (that none of these "refugees" seem to want to seek asylum in for some reason) and then walk up and get stuck at the borders of various countries including mexico.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWVGHJ0RRh8

This is the beast the democrats have created. Yet the MSM does not report the facts.... interesting.

And more than a few idiots on here openly supported.

Now we have Jacinda opening our gates to these "refugees".....

Wake up sheeple.

sugilite

14th October 2019, 13:01

You are in denial for three years and counting!

Trump won that election resoundingly. The electoral college is all that matters and he won that easily. He would of also won the popular vote if not for all the voting fraud.

You are a brainwashed joke.

Wow, you struggle to even use the quote system correctly.
You make the mistake of thinking I'm in your world of only seeing things solely as left or right based politics (of which the lines are constantly shifting btw). I'm not. If a right leaning president was elected that was competent, not corrupt and doing good for his country, rather than pandering to the rich and looking after his own interests I would be cheering from the sidelines. Instead we have a corrupt lying orange turd who will say absolutely anything be it true or not. Lines his own pockets, puts people in charge of important stuff that have no experience other than campaign donations, fuck the list of BULLSHIT is endless with this guy. My problem is that a man of his ethics and IQ has no place having that job. It has nothing to do with being left or right. It is idiots of the same ilk as yourself that have been brainwashed and swallow his shit like it is chocolate flavored bacon - that put this piece of inhumane shit into power. But not for much longer.

As I mentioned, if Jacinda (Who has deeply disappointed me btw) did even 10% of what Trump has done, you would be stringing up the noose. And I'm sure at some level, you probably know that.
Life is more complex than just left and right sport.

All you far right and far left extremists are a corrupt politicians wet dream. While you all sit around in your self congratulating circle jerks - boasting about how smart you all are, you are just doing the bidding of corrupt fucks that do not care a flying shit about you or your circumstances. Just as long as the low IQ types keep peddling their misinformation directives, they are happy.

You think I'm brainwashed? Go look in the mirror.

I guess I can queue a lame "^^ this guy" type response, because you never have anything of actual merit to contribute - which is why when Trump finally gets flushed, you will vanish from this site as your ego will not be able to cope with being proved patently incorrect.

austingtir

14th October 2019, 16:55

sugilite

14th October 2019, 17:33

^^ No I just dont like quoting your over inflated rubbish. If people want to read it they can read your original post.

Notice how I dont need to write paragraphs of crap to make my point?

I stopped reading your response above after the first sentence. Complete TDS garbage is all that is.

So a bit to unpack here. Lets start with how you in one short post have exposed how you are a blatant liar and hypocrite.
You claim you stopped reading after the first sentence, yet in your first sentence comment on the contents of my last paragraph - Liar :pinch:
You copy and paste in screes and screes of extremest propaganda and moan about me posting original paragraphs. - Hypocrite :no:
Do you not realize you are on a forum consisting of a diverse range of opinions, creeds and beliefs? You are not on some extremest forum where you all gloss over each others lies and hypocrisy while giving each other runarounds.
No wonder Trump is your hero, you are both cut from the same cloth -that being lying hypocritical oafs who think no one will notice your blatant clumsy ill thought out bullshit.

Laava

14th October 2019, 17:40

Bwahahahahahahaha! Hilarious!

austingtir

14th October 2019, 17:44

^^ Clearly im living in your head rent free for you to spend that amount of time to write all that... AND...
http://i.imgur.com/0xSMa.gif

Berries

14th October 2019, 17:45

Get a room.

sugilite

14th October 2019, 17:51

^^ Clearly im living in your head rent free for you to spend that amount of time to write all that... AND...
http://i.imgur.com/0xSMa.gif
Looks like the body matches the mind, brave selfy post though, so points for that.

austingtir

14th October 2019, 17:51

https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1183554549996503040

sugilite

14th October 2019, 18:02

Part Trolling for sure, I like that Trump has lit fires in many places - When I look at US Politics, like many places - there are a good number of people who are far too comfortable. The amount of Nepotism is too high for my liking and a bit too blatant.

But in seriousness - I'm prepared to accept that Trump is being foolish (All Politicians are never exempt from that) - but I was reading today (as an example) that due to Trump's threats to Mexico, they've upped the Border security on their side - and have increased their capture rates of attempted illegal immigrants by 50+% - so I look at that and think:

Do you remember his rhetorhic 'We're gonna build a wall and Mexico's gonna pay for it!' - Remember how he was ridiculed for the statement and how the Mexican President adamantly denied they do any such thing?

What has happened recently, although isn't Mexico building a wall, isn't a million miles away from his statement either. And it's things like this, that from my perspective keep happening. That he starts full of bluster and grandiose claims, only to dial it back to what was needed.

I guess in the current shifting sands of the political ideology desert I lean slightly to the left of center, I view the two extremes of each camp as being as bad as each other.
Sure he has lit a lot of fires, many are out of their comfort zones, but if the fire could well lead to civil war if he does not go quietly in 2020. When does a bit of fun turn into a lot of death?

I have long felt that the kinds of people that seek power (pollies of most permutations) are not the right people to have power. This makes democracy problematic. Do I have a better solution? No, wish I did. Some of my kids are so disillusioned with the World, they do not want to raise families in it - and that is fucking sad.
I do feel it is a extremely long bow to draw comparing Mexico with having tightened their borders (as positive as that is) to paying for the wall - that incidentally has made very little progress since he has been in power - just saying.

austingtir

14th October 2019, 18:15

pzkpfw

14th October 2019, 18:22

... I have long felt that the kinds of people that seek power (pollies of most permutations) are not the right people to have power. This makes democracy problematic. Do I have a better solution? No, wish I did. ...

There was one Arthur C Clarke story I read where (just a side plot, not the main theme) anyone who wants to be President is locked up as a criminal, and instead "the computer" randomly picks a citizen to be one for a term.

(It was a while ago, I reserve the right to have mixed up the Author and whether or not it was a novel or short story.)

austingtir

14th October 2019, 18:36

Id love to of seen the look on Stelters stupid face when he saw this:

https://i.imgur.com/x25on9L.jpg

sugilite

14th October 2019, 18:41

Id love to of seen the look on Stelters stupid face when he saw this:

https://i.imgur.com/x25on9L.jpg

Where are these recorded comments? I'm keen to read/hear them.

austingtir

14th October 2019, 18:42

Where are these recorded comments? I'm keen to read/hear them.

Varitas is releasing them tomorrow apparently. So patience son.

TheDemonLord

14th October 2019, 19:12

I guess in the current shifting sands of the political ideology desert I lean slightly to the left of center, I view the two extremes of each camp as being as bad as each other.
Sure he has lit a lot of fires, many are out of their comfort zones, but if the fire could well lead to civil war if he does not go quietly in 2020. When does a bit of fun turn into a lot of death?

If there was a Civil war tomorrow - what would be the instigating factor?

For the UK - it would be the failure (and opposition) of the government to deliver Brexit.
For NZ - it would be pissing on the rights of law-abiding Citizens.
For the US - The only thing that springs to mind would be instigation from the likes of ANTIFA.

None of which I don't think can be ascribed to Trump, or the rise in (supposedly) Right-wing populism. If anything, the rise is as a reaction to the Post-Modern assault on everything to do with the West.

FWIW - on a Political Test - I, too, am ever so slightly left-of-centre. The only reason I appear Right-wing these days is because of just how far Left the Left has gone.

I have long felt that the kinds of people that seek power (pollies of most permutations) are not the right people to have power. This makes democracy problematic. Do I have a better solution? No, wish I did. Some of my kids are so disillusioned with the World, they do not want to raise families in it - and that is fucking sad.

I partially agree with the first part - mainly because it's so very difficult to differentiate those who want Power to be a force for good in the world vs those who want Power to be a force of Tyranny.

On the second part, however, this links into my comment about post-modern philosophy - the current 'Climate Crisis' is just another extension of this - the Educational institutes have long been on the Left, the number of Marxist Academics borders on Shameful - and what we see is Children being taught this defeatist, misanthropic worldview, which gives them a warped perspective.

However (without knowing how old your Children are) Nature tends to do very well when it comes to that Fight.

I do feel it is a extremely long bow to draw comparing Mexico with having tightened their borders (as positive as that is) to paying for the wall - that incidentally has made very little progress since he has been in power - just saying.

Extremely Long Bow? I agree it's a bit of a stretch, however - look at his other public comments - he's long claimed that he was fed-up with America footing the Bill for everything. Low and Behold, he gets Mexico to start looking after it's part to play with Illegal Immigration.

We also have to put this in context - his ultimate goal is stop drastically reduce illegal Immigration to the US, as such, anything that aids that Goal (Wall, Federales etc.) that he has been a causal factor in, is a success.

I hate to repeat myself, but so-far, his lack of starting any additional wars put's him way ahead of every president that springs to mind since the early 1980s

austingtir

15th October 2019, 08:29

Someone should make one of these for Captain Cook and show it to all those around NZ protesting Endeavour....:rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/CTEu7xD.jpg

Columbus brought a new culture and diversity to America. Do they not like diversity and multiculturalism anymore?

And Checkmate:

https://i.imgur.com/KpyZ4BJ.png

pritch

15th October 2019, 08:39

I have long felt that the kinds of people that seek power (pollies of most permutations) are not the right people to have power.

That is solid gold. Doesn't much matter which party or which country, politicians are generally of a type. There are exceptions and Trump is one such. He has a number of diagnosable mental conditions, is extremely ignorant, and is totally unfit to hold office.

jasonu

15th October 2019, 10:08

There are exceptions and Trump is one such. He has a number of diagnosable mental conditions, is extremely ignorant, and is totally unfit to hold office.

Are you a medical professional?

pritch

15th October 2019, 13:53

FOX News channel is divided into news staff and opinion hosts. The former have always retained some semblance of impartiallity however weak. The opinion people Hannity, Ingraham, Carlson, Dodd and all, not so much. Total fantasy is more their thing.

Recently Bill Barr, Trumps AG, sought and got a meeting with Murdoch the owner of Fox. Shortly thereafter Shepard Smith, a reporter with Fox since Day 1, left Fox.

Judging by this effort Neil Cavuto may be next to go.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwc9K5W6fgw

austingtir

15th October 2019, 15:15

As project veritas correctly pointed out the difference between FOX and CNN is both teams have their opinion people like Hannity and co the difference is when you watch Hannity you know he's going to put across a conservative view point and be pro Republican and be honest about that fact.

With CNN you have the likes of Don Lemmon, Cuomo, Cooper etc etc all pretending whatever they say is gospill and acting like they arent just propaganda mouth pieces of the DNC. Which project veritas is without a shadow of a doubt about to prove.

CNN just needs to be honest about the fact they've gone full leftist propaganda and stop pretending like they arent.

CNN like the democrats have gone so far left they make Fox look centre right when fox is actually centre left just like every other news org on the planet. Thats the absurdity of the entire thing.

What's even more amusing is the guy recording CNN's CEO is still there!!!

https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1183756343313928198?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1183756343313928198&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediae mbed%2Fdhrv4s%3Fresponsive%3Dtrue%26is_nightmode%3 Dfalse

This meme pretty much covers CNN's CEO:

https://i.imgflip.com/2xhsm9.jpg

Viking01

15th October 2019, 16:35

Last Friday, it looked as if a US - China trade deal (of some form)
had nominally been agreed, though several US commentators were
not showing great optimism as to what the US had achieved:

https://moneymaven.io/mishtalk/economics/trump-s-no-meat-on-the-bones-trade-announcement-with-china-7iu61ngBtE67vGX4EioyTQ/

And the post agreement (celebratory) meal looked all but celebratory
(much depending upon which side of the table you were sitting on):

https://www.smh.com.au/business/the-economy/the-photo-that-reveals-who-got-the-better-of-the-us-china-trade-truce-20191014-p530es.html

Jack Rasmus gives a good readable summary of the game played up to
current date:

https://jackrasmus.com/2019/10/13/china-us-mini-trade-deal-trump-takes-the-money-and-runs-print/

oldrider

16th October 2019, 08:57

austingtir

16th October 2019, 09:14

Unprecedented: US Forces Peacefully Hand Over Key Syrian City to Russians, Syrians :scratch: https://russia-insider.com/en/unprecedented-us-forces-peacefully-hand-over-key-syrian-city-russians-syrians/ri27782?ct=t(Russia_Insider_Daily_Headlines11_21_2 014)&mc_cid=5e34e5804d&mc_eid=4030a10227 - :msn-wink: (All wars are bankers wars?)

Was it not the Syrian's city to begin with until Obama, McCain and Hillary decided ISIS was a good terrorist group to fund and supply and be their pet army?

sugilite

16th October 2019, 09:28

^^
Why would he need to go quietly in 2020 if like in 2016 he gets the majority of the vote?

I would think it might be time for the people on the other side to give up the shenanigans at that stage yet here you are talking about civil war?

TDS at its finest right here.

History will flip Trump Derangement Syndrome towards the people that actually believed in Trump. You might want to pre-book some counseling sessions.

Where are those recordings you mentioned? not released? No surprise there.

Looks like Trump is running out of people that are willing to lie for him.
The no quid pro texter coming out to say Trump dictated that text message, the previous Ambassador to Ukraine shining a light into the murky Trump cesspool and finally Bolton about to fuck Trump, and it looks like he is dispensing with the courtesy of using any Vaseline.
Interesting times.

austingtir

16th October 2019, 09:35

History will flip Trump Derangement Syndrome towards the people that actually believed in Trump. You might want to pre-book some counseling sessions.

Where are those recordings you mentioned? not released? No surprise there.

Looks like Trump is running out of people that are willing to lie for him.
The no quid pro texter coming out to say Trump dictated that text message, the previous Ambassador to Ukraine shining a light into the murky Trump cesspool and finally Bolton about to fuck Trump, and it looks like he is dispensing with the courtesy of using any Vaseline.
Interesting times.

I posted it in the other thread. Theres only two recording's (part 1) been released so far and its pretty damning for your communist mates at CNN.

In a free society it's okay to hold a personal grudge against Donald Trump if you wish. It is NOT OK to wield the entire power of a news media corporation in a vendetta against the duly elected President Of the United States of America.

[Notice the weinstein logo in the background? (and the semi retarded look on his face... His face is as crooked and as ethical as his journalism).... anybody with any intelligence might think this is probably not a good horse to back!] But not old sugilite he's going to ride this horse until it drops dead.

https://i.imgur.com/jSRf5Z0.jpg