The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[jasonu]

Oh Yes.... This is great :yes:


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Another case of poor judgment from the old shrew cunt.

[Katman]

Another case of poor judgment from the old shrew cunt.

Poor judgement or careful planning?

[jasonu]

Poor judgement or careful planning?

Shirley not planned, this one could (hopefully) hurt the old cow.

[YellowDog]

I don't believe that Hollywood could possibly create anything close to this.

They both deserve Oscars :yes:

[pritch]

That's the first I have heard of that.

Try and keep up.:innocent:


http://iowapublicradio.org/post/des-moines-woman-says-she-voted-twice-trump-because-polls-are-rigged#stream/0

[jasonu]

Try and keep up.:innocent:


http://iowapublicradio.org/post/des-moines-woman-says-she-voted-twice-trump-because-polls-are-rigged#stream/0

Is Iowa even a place?

[YellowDog]

eMail enquiries .....

sheMail enquiries.....

What's that all about then? The administration is NOW plotting against Clinton. I recon that horible 'Trump loving' Mr Obama is behind it.

There's still nothing wrong :yawn:

http://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37815558

[pritch]

Is Iowa even a place?

Sort of. One of those states is supposed to resemble a giant corn field with a few scattered methodists, but I can never remember whether that's Iowa or Idaho.
I don't thiink it's Ohio.

Apparently they get a vote. Or two.

[jasonu]

Sort of. One of those states is supposed to resemble a giant corn field with a few scattered methodists, but I can never remember whether that's Iowa or Idaho.
I don't thiink it's Ohio.

Apparently they get a vote. Or two.

It's spuds and onions in Idaho.

[Voltaire]

It's spuds and onions in Idaho.

and an old song.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n7t7cGwN7_0

[yokel]

Interesting to note after all those Trump rants about voter fraud; voter fraud which, by the way, has been virtually non-existent. A voter has been caught voting twice - for Trump!

It sure is funny seeing which 'news' stories the mushroom farm media chooses to shower the peps with.


https://youtu.be/hDc8PVCvfKs


https://youtu.be/cJV41gS2c8M

[Voltaire]

Speaking of mushrooms....
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[YellowDog]

This is quite controversial for American voters:

http://abcnews.com.co/obama-executive-order-bans-pledge-of-allegiance-in-schools/

[Hemi Makutu]

"Land of the Free" indeed..

& of course Trump, responds by expressing his faux Xian outrage.. "This is an Xian nation"..
..thereby trumpeting his ignorance of the essential constitutional 'separation of church & state' doctrine..

[YellowDog]

So let's screw right and wrong. Crooked & dishonest, and all the nonsense.

We want Clinton to win aye ?

Surely she's our best bet for continuance of good relations and not being totally shut out ?

Why should we care about anything else ?

[Ocean1]

This is quite controversial for American voters:

http://abcnews.com.co/obama-executive-order-bans-pledge-of-allegiance-in-schools/


"Fappy The Anti-Masturbation Dolphin, a mascot for a Christian organization that travels around the country educating children about the dangers and consequences of masturbation, told ABC News he believes in what Utah is doing. “It is important that children become the unique individuals that this country wants them to be. Conforming into the perfect little human beings that God intended them to be has always been the American way. It is important to remember that our Lord and Savior loves each and every one of us, unless we masturbate, then we’ll burn in Hell for eternity.”



“This is a story about President Obama banning the Pledge of Allegiance in our schools.” Bradley said. “I just want to say a big thanks to every God-fearing, Patriotic American that has supported our cause that gives brand new socks to the homeless.



David Mikkelson, founder of Snopes.com, a website known for its biased opinions and inaccurate aricles they write about stories on the internet in order to generate advertising revenue, told ABC News that he approves of what a story like this is accomplishing. “You have to understand that when a story like this goes viral, and we spend a minute or two debunking it, we make lots of money. Stories like this have helped put my children through college, buy a new car, a home and even get the sex reassignment surgery my wife Barbara always wanted since she was a little boy,”

What?

I mean, WHAT???

[Hemi Makutu]

It hasn't lately, well not since Ronnie Reagan picked up a slug that left him basically 'brain dead' - if not actually killed..

I am a bit impressed that the usually dubious competence of the US presidential SS hasn't got Obama plugged - well, so far anyhow..

( & which makes me think the maybe/couldabeen/dunno if, Clinton email crap from the FBI, isn't a 'false-flag' shock-horror ploy too)..

[Woodman]

What?

I mean, WHAT???

Well its easy for a dolphin to say don't wank, they don't have fucking hands.

[Hemi Makutu]

Well its easy for a dolphin to say don't wank, they don't have fucking hands.


Hands don't have to ah, come into it.. at all, check with your missus.. next time the remote batteries go west..

[oldrider]

Unbelievable! - Really just waiting to see how this whole act pans out in the end! :scratch:

It will have nothing to do with the direction that the USA follows - that is already set in concrete by the real governing body! :corn:

[Woodman]

Hands don't have to ah, come into it.. at all, check with your missus.. next time the remote batteries go west..

okay, you are the expert.

[Hemi Makutu]

okay, you are the expert.

Just 'cause she don't spurt with you, don't mean her blow hole don't work..
- as most every mammal - with a bit of sexual awareness, knows - already..L.O.L...

[YellowDog]

Tick any box guys, it doesn't really matter :yes:

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[pritch]

This is quite controversial for American voters:

http://abcnews.com.co/obama-executive-order-bans-pledge-of-allegiance-in-schools/

Actually that shouldn't be controversial to anyone who isn't busy licking a nearby window. It's rubbish. It's not even new rubbish, it's recycled.

[YellowDog]

Actually that shouldn't be controversial to anyone who isn't busy licking a nearby window. It's rubbish. It's not even new rubbish, it's recycled.

I already figured it was crap.

Lots of that around :yes:

[pritch]

I already figured it was crap.

Lots of that around :yes:

The shills for both parties are posting total rubbish but their supporters suck it up as fact because it's what they want to believe. (Sorta like some KBers?) But it's worse than that. I saw a report this morning that examined the election coverage in the major US papers today and said there was one solitary item that quoted a named source. All the others quoted anonymous sources.

Anonymous sources are usually given limited credence but suddenly a week out from the election it's all the voters have. In all the confusion they probably can't even see how broken their system is. After all they still keep calling it the "land of the free" with more people imprisoned than anywhere else on the planet.

[YellowDog]

The shills for both parties are posting total rubbish but their supporters suck it up as fact because it's what they want to believe. (Sorta like some KBers?) But it's worse than that. I saw a report this morning that examined the election coverage in the major US papers today and said there was one solitary item that quoted a named source. All the others quoted anonymous sources.

Anonymous sources are usually given limited credence but suddenly a week out from the election it's all the voters have. In all the confusion they probably can't even see how broken their system is. After all they still keep calling it the "land of the free" with more people imprisoned than anywhere else on the planet.

There seems to be a strong need for some regulation and enforcement of higher standards.

Hitlary Rotten Clinton is up to all sorts of dirty tricks and Trump's camp is totally innocent :no:

I wonder whom these guys support? http://blackboxvoting.org/

[YellowDog]

To help the undecided:

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[Brian d marge]

It dont matter who ya vote for the boys want big boom boom
Give it a fancy name like contained or limited nuclear strike..

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[oldrider]

Hmmm where do they get this stuff from - there is so much of it - maybe because it is true? - http://www.globalresearch.ca/al-qaeda-will-vote-for-hillary-on-november-8/5554736 :scratch: - :rolleyes:

[Voltaire]

Interesting interview about one of Hillary's emails.
didn't see that on the 6 O'clock news...MSM etc.


https://youtu.be/k9xbokQO4M0

[yokel]

So much shit going on, win or lose SHTF situation is imminent


http://youtu.be/42NIVBxr_GU

[pritch]

Hmmm where do they get this stuff from - there is so much of it - maybe because it is true? - http://www.globalresearch.ca/al-qaeda-will-vote-for-hillary-on-november-8/5554736 :scratch: - :rolleyes:

No, that'd be the last possible reason. That's one about Al Qaeda voting is about as true as the one about Clinton indulging in Satanic rituals.

Some of the really off the wall shit comes from satirical news sites which are then repeated by supporters as real news, either because they are too dim to know the difference, or they just don't care. Trump himself makes up a continuous stream of ficticious nonsense but the "believers" don't question any of it.

This election has got so out of hand now with armed militia planning to patrol polling sites to "supervise" black voters - and that has already started. And is entirely legal in an open carry state as long as they stay 40 feet from the entrance.

Something approaching a thousand voting places in southern states have been closed to make voting more difficult for minorities.

The USA is failing to reach even the status of a banana republic election. It's too late now but they should have had UN observers in to supervise this farce.

[YellowDog]

Intersting photo angle :wacko:

[oldrider]

No, that'd be the last possible reason. That's one about Al Qaeda voting is about as true as the one about Clinton indulging in Satanic rituals.

Some of the really off the wall shit comes from satirical news sites which are then repeated by supporters as real news, either because they are too dim to know the difference, or they just don't care. Trump himself makes up a continuous stream of ficticious nonsense but the "believers" don't question any of it.

This election has got so out of hand now with armed militia planning to patrol polling sites to "supervise" black voters - and that has already started. And is entirely legal in an open carry state as long as they stay 40 feet from the entrance.

Something approaching a thousand voting places in southern states have been closed to make voting more difficult for minorities.

The USA is failing to reach even the status of a banana republic election. It's too late now but they should have had UN observers in to supervise this farce.

True! - somebody (or some organisation) is laughing at the collapse of democracy and freedom as we know or used to think we knew it! :bye:

[bogan]

True! - somebody (or some organisation) is laughing at the collapse of democracy and freedom as we know or used to think we knew it! :bye:

Have you considered that your attempts to uninform people contribute to this collapse? regardless of whether there is an illuminati/vril like organisation operating from within the shadows.

[Woodman]

Have you considered that your attempts to uninform people contribute to this collapse? regardless of whether there is an illuminati/vril like organisation operating from within the shadows.

Maybe oldy, katman yokel etc have followed like sheep an orchestrated campaign to destabilize the west.

[Brian d marge]

No, that'd be the last possible reason. That's one about Al Qaeda voting is about as true as the one about Clinton indulging in Satanic rituals.

Some of the really off the wall shit comes from satirical news sites which are then repeated by supporters as real news, either because they are too dim to know the difference, or they just don't care. Trump himself makes up a continuous stream of ficticious nonsense but the "believers" don't question any of it.

This election has got so out of hand now with armed militia planning to patrol polling sites to "supervise" black voters - and that has already started. And is entirely legal in an open carry state as long as they stay 40 feet from the entrance.

Something approaching a thousand voting places in southern states have been closed to make voting more difficult for minorities.

The USA is failing to reach even the status of a banana republic election. It's too late now but they should have had UN observers in to supervise this farce.
If you look at bills wrist you will sometimes see a red bit of string

That's ya kabbalah, ... And if you want some ancient bat shyt crazy thinking that makes the Bible look like a readers digest true story ..have a nosey around the kabbalah....

That doesn't mean hitlary is a believer, no
Though IMHO , from my own reading , I think Hitlary has sold her soul , to the black Pope and the black Pope's master ...

These people are fkin nuts ,big time

Kissinger, council on foreign relations, the French served a warrant in that evil reptile, for good reason. Got the peace prize for bombing the shyt out of Cambodia ,,it was shared but the other fella , Cambodian prez , I think, refused it for the right reasons

No hitlary is a serf of the empire though BOTH serve Israel and SHE will take us to war , it's what the boys want

Trump , there's a chance he may not.

Hows that bond market , afloat in the imagination of the Ocean? ....

Tui. Let's party like it's 1933....


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[oldrider]

Have you considered that your attempts to uninform people contribute to this collapse? regardless of whether there is an illuminati/vril like organisation operating from within the shadows.

What a silly person you are! :mellow:

[oldrider]

Maybe oldy, katman yokel etc have followed like sheep an orchestrated campaign to destabilize the west.

Could be - only time will tell. :scratch: (I have less of it left than you unfortunately)

[bogan]

What a silly person you are! :mellow:

Which bit are you struggling with? Or are you of the delusion that your uninformation is good for democracy?

[Virago]

I'm a bit confused. If Trump actually wins this thing - is the election still rigged?

[jasonu]

I'm a bit confused. If Trump actually wins this thing - is the election still rigged?

Ask Hillary if that happens. (but I doubt it will...:weep:)

[Brian d marge]

I'm a bit confused. If Trump actually wins this thing - is the election still rigged?
Yes
Battle of Waterloo, Rothschild

Israel always wins..,




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[YellowDog]

I'm a bit confused. If Trump actually wins this thing - is the election still rigged?

Yes, of course it will have had to have been rigged.

I realise that the USA is a very large country, with a diverse range of cultures, however Trump has p!ssed off around 90% of them off. There are't enough 'over 60s' to vote him in, but he should win one or 2 states, which would be a great achievement.

It's like a Tennis player entering a professional golf tournament. Getting to the final and wining a couple of the 18 holes, would be an outstanding achievement.

Nice one DT, but I'd now be making plans to leave the USA. A bitter and twisted president, out for revenge, can only have one outcome.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/LXBlcjRBHYM/hqdefault.jpg

[Voltaire]

I'm a bit confused. If Trump actually wins this thing - is the election still rigged?

They are elections Jim but not as we know it.:rolleyes:

I do like how in at least one state you can vote early and then go back and change it.

[YellowDog]

I do like how in at least one state you can vote early and then go back and change it.

Yes, but it is not 'YOU' who goes back and changes it. Those whom know best, that help you out and save you the trouble :lol:

[Woodman]

What a silly person you are! :mellow:

So its off the table is it? Why?

[Woodman]

In important news the ABs just lost. Might just watch the news tonight.

[YellowDog]

In important news the ABs just lost. Might just watch the news tonight.

Another example of Clinton fixing an improbable outcome :o

[jasonu]

In important news the ABs just lost. Might just watch the news tonight.


Another example of Clinton fixing an improbable outcome :o

Clearly rigged...


Edit, I thought you were joking then saw it in the Harold. The whole country will be going into mourning for at least a week and it will be all you will hear about for ages too.

[Woodman]

Edit, I thought you were joking then saw it in the Harold. The whole country will be going into mourning for at least a week and it will be all you will hear about for ages too.

Its why New Zealand is the best country on the planet......

[oldrider]

In important news the ABs just lost. Might just watch the news tonight.

Don't think there will be too many people who are not happy for Ireland's win - deserved and clearly defined - well done Ireland! :2thumbsup

[oldrider]

Remember the adage "Ugly American"? - Truly the ugliest of them all - Samantha Power http://www.globalresearch.ca/us-hypocrisys-face-at-the-un-samantha-power-2/5555097 :corn:

[yokel]

No, that'd be the last possible reason. That's one about Al Qaeda voting is about as true as the one about Clinton indulging in Satanic rituals.

Some of the really off the wall shit comes from satirical news sites which are then repeated by supporters as real news, either because they are too dim to know the difference, or they just don't care. Trump himself makes up a continuous stream of ficticious nonsense but the "believers" don't question any of it.

This election has got so out of hand now with armed militia planning to patrol polling sites to "supervise" black voters - and that has already started. And is entirely legal in an open carry state as long as they stay 40 feet from the entrance.

Something approaching a thousand voting places in southern states have been closed to make voting more difficult for minorities.

The USA is failing to reach even the status of a banana republic election. It's too late now but they should have had UN observers in to supervise this farce.

Well seen as Hillary's mentor was Saul Alinsky and she's made many trips to that pedofile party island in an pedofiles plane means she is someway involved with Satanist pedos .

"spirit cooking" ? sounds innocent enough I guess.


https://youtu.be/48_gs36zxxE

[Banditbandit]

And Trump's been accused of raping a 13-year-old girl ...

http://fusion.net/story/328522/donald-trump-accused-rape-sexual-assault/

Is t6hs US about the elect its first every pedophile prezzie . whichever one wins>

[Voltaire]

Is this Chelsea?
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/160511200950-ufo-hillary-clinton-moos-erin-pkg-00012708-large-169.jpg

[EJK]

Its why New Zealand is the best country on the planet......

I don't know if you were being sarcastic but I agree for NZ being the best in the world when it comes to voting.

Last time when some pop culture famous rich guy tried to stir up NZ government with flash media and stuff, he made a big show as if he was going to change the whole nation. Spent $$$$$ on media and was quite popular among Kiwis and everybody knew him (very similar to what DJT is doing right now). But when the voting day finally came, he only got 0.7% of votes.

NZ people are smart. They know what is right. Flashy media doesn't work on us.

[Crasherfromwayback]

.

NZ people are smart. They know what is right.

If that were so, we'd not have that dickhead Key in the hot seat.

[EJK]

If that were so, we'd not have that dickhead Key in the hot seat.

If you think he's bad, take a look at South Korea right now. It's a puppet show (quite literally). John Key is a saint in comparison.

[mashman]

Yes, but it is not 'YOU' who goes back and changes it. Those whom know best, that help you out and save you the trouble :lol:

A GEMS of a quote if there ever was one.

[jasonu]

If that were so, we'd not have that dickhead Key in the hot seat.

or aunty Helen for 9 years...

[oldrider]

If that were so, we'd not have that dickhead Key in the hot seat.

Seriously - are there any better candidates among the selection the status quo offer up? :oi-grr:

[yokel]

And Trump's been accused of raping a 13-year-old girl ...

http://fusion.net/story/328522/donald-trump-accused-rape-sexual-assault/

Is t6hs US about the elect its first every pedophile prezzie . whichever one wins>

"At this point what difference does it make" haha.

Anyway this election is not much about Trump vs Hillary , it's about whether we keep going down this disgusting politically correct cultural Marxist path that will destroy the western culture??

Let's hope the cultural Marxist get a big fuck you.

[Brian d marge]

"At this point what difference does it make" haha.

Anyway this election is not much about Trump vs Hillary , it's about whether we keep going down this disgusting politically correct cultural Marxist path that will destroy the western culture??

Let's hope the cultural Marxist get a big fuck you.
Absolutely....

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[bogan]

"At this point what difference does it make" haha.

Anyway this election is not much about Trump vs Hillary

Bullshit, the whole problem with this election is that is exactly what it is about. Your average voter is now too fucking stupid to vote based on policy and realistic outcomes, so they're going with a party vote (based on what they've always supported), or who says the most agreeable things (casual racism and bigotry seem in vogue). None of it is grounded in reality, just like you echo chamber fuckwits babbling on about giving a big fuck you to whatever buzzword for tptb strikes your fancy of the day. Donald is the biggest puppet running, clearly fucking delusional and only there for his ego. Can you even name one advantageous policy that he could actually pull off?

[jasonu]

Bullshit, the whole problem with this election is that is exactly what it is about. Your average voter is now too fucking stupid to vote based on policy and realistic outcomes, so they're going with a party vote (based on what they've always supported), or who says the most agreeable things (casual racism and bigotry seem in vogue). None of it is grounded in reality, just like you echo chamber fuckwits babbling on about giving a big fuck you to whatever buzzword for tptb strikes your fancy of the day. Donald is the biggest puppet running, clearly fucking delusional and only there for his ego. Can you even name one advantageous policy that he could actually pull off?

Chance the names and you could be describing NZ politics.

[bogan]

Chance the names and you could be describing NZ politics.

Casual racism and bigotry? Fuck you votes? anti-tptb rhetoric? Musta missed those bits... Granted 2014 was a relatively bad year for policy discourse, but it was still discussed, as was the realisability of the claimed outcomes.

[PrincessBandit]

I'm curious about two things. Firstly Trump says he won't accept the result if Clinton wins because that means the election is rigged (yet it won't be "rigged" if he wins). Secondly he was trump-eting that early voters who got theirs in before the FBI announced they were investigating Clinton again that he wanted them to vote a second time. I wonder if he still stands by that now they've reiterated "nothing to see here, move along".

It appears that should the USA end up with their first woman president Trump is not going to take it democratically.

So intensely gobsmacking that a man like him can even have a sniff at the White House - Clinton must be really hated!

[pritch]

Fred Dagg probably got it right, "We don't know how lucky we are".

Voting in the US of A can be a real mission. It's a much more involved process than it is in NZ, they aren't just voting for a President there's a whole raft of "down ballot"
candidates to vote for as well.

They have had "yuge" queues around the block for early voting and they have had to keep some polling places open hours past closing time to process the waiting voters.
Trump says they were bussing in extra voters but that is reportedly not the case. At the 7.00PM closing time anyone already present is allowed to keep queueing until they have voted - and it took until 10.00PM in some cases.

Election day takes place on a week day which coupled with the requirement to queue for hours can make it difficult for people in an hourly paid job to vote. Then again in the south about 886 voting places have been closed to make it even more difficult. This and restrictive ID requirements designed to stop blacks, latinos, students and welfare recipients from voting make it difficult for anyone except a potential Republican voter. And the Republican candidate Trump complains the system is rigged?

If all that doesn't put you off voting, in some states Trump supporters will stand outside voting places with guns questioning people going in. All legal and it's no good complaining to the Police because the cop is likely to be a Trump supporter too. People have been advised to contact the FBI special phone lines if there is a problem of voter intimidation. Ringing somebody in Virginia is going to be fucking optimistic if you are virtually anywhere else in the USA.

Like Fred said, we don't how lucky we are.

[yokel]

Bullshit, the whole problem with this election is that is exactly what it is about. Your average voter is now too fucking stupid to vote based on policy and realistic outcomes, so they're going with a party vote (based on what they've always supported), or who says the most agreeable things (casual racism and bigotry seem in vogue). None of it is grounded in reality, just like you echo chamber fuckwits babbling on about giving a big fuck you to whatever buzzword for tptb strikes your fancy of the day. Donald is the biggest puppet running, clearly fucking delusional and only there for his ego. Can you even name one advantageous policy that he could actually pull off?

Well looks like you're one of those too fucking stupid voter types.

BTW anyone who says Trump is a racist or whatever is a bigoted moron.

Political correctness must die, its the reason why reality has become ungrounded.

[Crasherfromwayback]

Well looks like you're one of those too fucking stupid voter types.

a bigoted moron.

.

You've described yourself to a *T*.

[Brian d marge]

A circus ... designed to keep u from looking at the real people in charge
Hitlary , Kaine .. off top of head their handlers are
Zbiginew Brzinsky.. money from Sheldon adelston and jp morgan ,
Trump and and pence same deal ,,,,but I can't remember who, AIPAC ?
Anyway both support isreal and isreal is the kingdom of Rothschild
So basically the boys have stitched up both side of the game .. it dont matter to them who ya vote for ... The agenda is going along nicely
And no amount of voting is going to cure that one

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[bogan]

Well looks like you're one of those too fucking stupid voter types.

BTW anyone who says Trump is a racist or whatever is a bigoted moron.

Political correctness must die, its the reason why reality has become ungrounded.

Perhaps in the interest of grounding your reality, you could explain those three points a bit better :lol:

[Grumph]

A circus ... designed to keep u from looking at the real people in charge
Hitlary , Kaine .. off top of head their handlers are
Zbiginew Brzinsky.. money from Sheldon adelston and jp morgan ,
Trump and and pence same deal ,,,,but I can't remember who, AIPAC ?
Anyway both support isreal and isreal is the kingdom of Rothschild
So basically the boys have stitched up both side of the game .. it dont matter to them who ya vote for ... The agenda is going along nicely
And no amount of voting is going to cure that one

sent for a divine source

While I'm not going to question your presumptions, I would ask if you think that Trump will stay bought ?

Given his tendencies to make policy on the hoof, I suspect that those who are pulling the strings (if they exist) are losing control of him....

If this is so, then the conspiracy theorists will love the FBI today dropping the possibilty of charges against Hilary.

[yokel]

While I'm not going to question your presumptions, I would ask if you think that Trump will stay bought ?

Given his tendencies to make policy on the hoof, I suspect that those who are pulling the strings (if they exist) are losing control of him....

If this is so, then the conspiracy theorists will love the FBI today dropping the possibilty of charges against Hilary.

Time will tell, but I very much doubt Trump is a shill like say Bernie.


http://youtu.be/ufIRuMXbUWQ

[yokel]

Fred Dagg probably got it right, "We don't know how lucky we are".

Voting in the US of A can be a real mission. It's a much more involved process than it is in NZ, they aren't just voting for a President there's a whole raft of "down ballot"
candidates to vote for as well.

They have had "yuge" queues around the block for early voting and they have had to keep some polling places open hours past closing time to process the waiting voters.
Trump says they were bussing in extra voters but that is reportedly not the case. At the 7.00PM closing time anyone already present is allowed to keep queueing until they have voted - and it took until 10.00PM in some cases.

Election day takes place on a week day which coupled with the requirement to queue for hours can make it difficult for people in an hourly paid job to vote. Then again in the south about 886 voting places have been closed to make it even more difficult. This and restrictive ID requirements designed to stop blacks, latinos, students and welfare recipients from voting make it difficult for anyone except a potential Republican voter. And the Republican candidate Trump complains the system is rigged?

If all that doesn't put you off voting, in some states Trump supporters will stand outside voting places with guns questioning people going in. All legal and it's no good complaining to the Police because the cop is likely to be a Trump supporter too. People have been advised to contact the FBI special phone lines if there is a problem of voter intimidation. Ringing somebody in Virginia is going to be fucking optimistic if you are virtually anywhere else in the USA.

Like Fred said, we don't how lucky we are.

”Blacks” Latinos and others voting is cultural appropriation so they shouldn't really be voting in the first place.

[Brian d marge]

While I'm not going to question your presumptions, I would ask if you think that Trump will stay bought ?

Given his tendencies to make policy on the hoof, I suspect that those who are pulling the strings (if they exist) are losing control of him....

If this is so, then the conspiracy theorists will love the FBI today dropping the possibilty of charges against Hilary.
Amazing what money and power does



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[yokel]

Amazing what money and power does



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And the threat of "suicide"

[Brian d marge]

And the threat of "suicide"
Oh the 2 bullets in the back of the head suicide?
Or the car accident in 50 m and the 2 bullets in the back of the head suicide


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[jasonu]

- Clinton must be really hated!

And there it is!!!!!

If ANY ONE of the other 14 republican primary candidates had become the Republican candidate for POTUS Hillary would not have a shit show.

[Voltaire]

And there it is!!!!!

If ANY ONE of the other 14 republican primary candidates had become the Republican candidate for POTUS Hillary would not have a shit show.

She must be pretty good at emails...600 000 of them..thats a lot of typing/reading, must be how she got the Secretary jobbie she had a while back.

[jasonu]

Fred Dagg probably got it right, "We don't know how lucky we are".

Voting in the US of A can be a real mission. It's a much more involved process than it is in NZ, they aren't just voting for a President there's a whole raft of "down ballot"
candidates to vote for as well.

They have had "yuge" queues around the block for early voting and they have had to keep some polling places open hours past closing time to process the waiting voters.
Trump says they were bussing in extra voters but that is reportedly not the case. At the 7.00PM closing time anyone already present is allowed to keep queueing until they have voted - and it took until 10.00PM in some cases.

Election day takes place on a week day which coupled with the requirement to queue for hours can make it difficult for people in an hourly paid job to vote. Then again in the south about 886 voting places have been closed to make it even more difficult. This and restrictive ID requirements designed to stop blacks, latinos, students and welfare recipients from voting make it difficult for anyone except a potential Republican voter. And the Republican candidate Trump complains the system is rigged?

If all that doesn't put you off voting, in some states Trump supporters will stand outside voting places with guns questioning people going in. All legal and it's no good complaining to the Police because the cop is likely to be a Trump supporter too. People have been advised to contact the FBI special phone lines if there is a problem of voter intimidation. Ringing somebody in Virginia is going to be fucking optimistic if you are virtually anywhere else in the USA.

Like Fred said, we don't how lucky we are.\

I voted from the comfort of my living room. Yes I had to vote on stuff as well as POTUS. It took me about 5 minutes and when I was done I put it in my mail box for the postee to deliver. It wasn't that difficult. The last time I voted in NZ I had to get in my car, drive to the polling station, wait in line, get the person to find my name on a list.....
Some states have different set ups. Generally most states have early (before election day) voting. If you are dumb enough to leave it to the last minute you deserve to be made to stand in a line out in the cold. Unfortunately a lot of Yanks like to leave shit to the last minute, you should see the lines for snow shovels at the Home Depot on the first day of snow fall...

'restrictive ID requirements designed to stop blacks, latinos, students and welfare recipients from voting make it difficult for anyone except a potential Republican voter.'
Not that restrictive. If you have a drivers license, a DMV issued photo ID ( both easily and cheaply obtained any time of the year) or a US passport you can vote for anyone they want to vote for. If you cannot get one of those government issued ID's you probably shouldn't be here in the first place let alone get to vote.

If all that doesn't put you off voting, in some states Trump supporters will stand outside voting places with guns questioning people going in. All legal and it's no good complaining to the Police because the cop is likely to be a Trump supporter too.'
Where did you get that shit from????? One of Katmans conspiracy sites...


Fred Dagg rocks!!!!!

[oldrider]

Hillary and Donald - just two sides of the same coin - heads I win tails you lose - business as usual. :whistle:

[Katman]

I'm sure 'they've' got it all figured out.

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[mashman]

She must be pretty good at emails...600 000 of them..thats a lot of typing/reading, must be how she got the Secretary jobbie she had a while back.

heh, 1 and a half years to sift through the first batch of 300,000 (ish) before deciding not to prosecute v's 9 days to sift through the last lot 600,000 before deciding not to prosecute. Ya can't make that shit up.

[YellowDog]

Wouldn't it be great if someone leaked the threats made to coerce that statement out of the FBI.

Does anyone consider this 'quick fix' removes any doubt as to Clinton's lack of credibility ?

[Banditbandit]

Have a look at this ...

https://grondamorin.com/2016/11/04/is-the-author-of-clinton-cash-the-fbi-rogue-agents-or-director-comey-running-the-fbi/

The Justice department (i.e. the prosecution lawyers) said there is no evidence ..

It's all a pro-Trump smear campaign.

At least read it for balance ..

[pritch]

\

I voted from the comfort of my living room. Yes I had to vote on stuff as well as POTUS. It took me about 5 minutes and when I was done I put it in my mail box for the postee to deliver. It wasn't that difficult. The last time I voted in NZ I had to get in my car, drive to the polling station, wait in line, get the person to find my name on a list.....
Some states have different set ups. Generally most states have early (before election day) voting. If you are dumb enough to leave it to the last minute you deserve to be made to stand in a line out in the cold. Unfortunately a lot of Yanks like to leave shit to the last minute, you should see the lines for snow shovels at the Home Depot on the first day of snow fall...

'restrictive ID requirements designed to stop blacks, latinos, students and welfare recipients from voting make it difficult for anyone except a potential Republican voter.'
Not that restrictive. If you have a drivers license, a DMV issued photo ID ( both easily and cheaply obtained any time of the year) or a US passport you can vote for anyone they want to vote for. If you cannot get one of those government issued ID's you probably shouldn't be here in the first place let alone get to vote.

If all that doesn't put you off voting, in some states Trump supporters will stand outside voting places with guns questioning people going in. All legal and it's no good complaining to the Police because the cop is likely to be a Trump supporter too.'
Where did you get that shit from????? One of Katmans conspiracy sites...


Fred Dagg rocks!!!!!

Considering you live there you don't seem all that well informed. Then again I'm retired and have lotsa time to read. Just today the NCGOP announced that black voting is down about 10% white voting up round 20%. It seems they are pleased their voter suppression moves are working. And of course they gave the exact figures but 10 and 20% is close.

In some places there have been queues around the block during the early voting period. Then there was the three hours it took to process voters after closing time.
It would seem early voting has been popular in at least some places.

There have been several reports in recent months of drivers licence copies being very difficult to obtain, particularly if the holder has moved towns. Also if a woman has a licence in her maiden name and has since married she will not be allowed to vote unless her voter registration is also in her maiden name. For maybe a couple of years now there has been ongoing coverage of all the changes introduced in Republican controlled states since the Supreme Court relaxed the laws. The changes were not designed to make voting easier.

Trump has frequently requested his supporters to attend voting places to "supervise voting to prevent fraud". Nobody thinks he was talking about them supervising polling plces in predominantly white areas. Several days ago there was a news item, including photo, of a white guy with a pistol standing outside the entrance to a voting place handing out pro Trump voting material. People complained but the officials said as long as he stayed at least forty feet from the entrance he was legally entitled to be there with his piece. How many others will answer Trumps call we'll know in a day or so.

Your experience voting in NZ seems as unusual as in the US. I have two polling places in easy walking distance and I have never had to wait more than a minute or two.
Literally. Sure, you used to stand for a few seconds while your name was crossed off the list but you now receive an ID in the mail and you just hand that over in exchange for a ballot paper. And it's on a Saturday, not a working day which seems much more sensible.

No, I don't read the conspiracy sites. Although I confess I did watch some of Yokel's links before I put him on "ignore". I watched FOX for some months but found it laughable. I then followed MSNBC for a while, they were just as biased as FOX but in the other direction. I guess they cancell each other out. I regularly read The Washington Post and The Guardian but others on an occasional basis. Looking at the coverage in the US media I have wondered how the Hell people there were supposed to inform themselves. I saw a comment this morning to the effect that history will not be kind to the news media given the predominantly sub-standard reporting of this election. Of course that'll be too late.

Congratulations on performing your civic duty. :niceone:

[Laava]

Wouldn't it be great if someone leaked the threats made to coerce that statement out of the FBI.

Does anyone consider this 'quick fix' removes any doubt as to Clinton's lack of credibility ?

Credibility? What has that got to do with this two douche race? She is a more believable option than the other guy and she is an embarrasment!

[jasonu]

Considering you live there you don't seem all that well informed. Then again I'm retired and have lotsa time to read. Just today the NCGOP announced that black voting is down about 10% white voting up round 20%. It seems they are pleased their voter suppression moves are working. And of course they gave the exact figures but 10 and 20% is close.

In some places there have been queues around the block during the early voting period. Then there was the three hours it took to process voters after closing time.
It would seem early voting has been popular in at least some places.

There have been several reports in recent months of drivers licence copies being very difficult to obtain, particularly if the holder has moved towns. Also if a woman has a licence in her maiden name and has since married she will not be allowed to vote unless her voter registration is also in her maiden name. For maybe a couple of years now there has been ongoing coverage of all the changes introduced in Republican controlled states since the Supreme Court relaxed the laws. The changes were not designed to make voting easier.

Trump has frequently requested his supporters to attend voting places to "supervise voting to prevent fraud". Nobody thinks he was talking about them supervising polling plces in predominantly white areas. Several days ago there was a news item, including photo, of a white guy with a pistol standing outside the entrance to a voting place handing out pro Trump voting material. People complained but the officials said as long as he stayed at least forty feet from the entrance he was legally entitled to be there with his piece. How many others will answer Trumps call we'll know in a day or so.

Your experience voting in NZ seems as unusual as in the US. I have two polling places in easy walking distance (they tend to put them near rest homes for old gits like me...)and I have never had to wait more than a minute or two.
Literally. Sure, you used to stand for a few seconds while your name was crossed off the list but you now receive an ID in the mail and you just hand that over in exchange for a ballot paper. And it's on a Saturday, not a working day which seems much more sensible.

No, I don't read the conspiracy sites. Although I confess I did watch some of Yokel's links before I put him on "ignore". I watched FOX for some months but found it laughable. I then followed MSNBC for a while, they were just as biased as FOX but in the other direction. I guess they cancell each other out. I regularly read The Washington Post and The Guardian but others on an occasional basis. Looking at the coverage in the US media I have wondered how the Hell people there were supposed to inform themselves. I saw a comment this morning to the effect that history will not be kind to the news media given the predominantly sub-standard reporting of this election. Of course that'll be too late.

Congratulations on performing your civic duty. :niceone:

When you scrounge around you will find a lot of stats, anecdotes and he said she said, most of which is not and can not be substantiated. I am pretty sure there will be those that for some reason cannot vote and will blame everyone but themselves. Folks have had up to 4 years to register to vote and it is not hard to do. If some left it to now to register or check their registration and found an issue then too fucking bad.

[Hemi Makutu]

Trump is a real life 'Crusty the clown' - he took on the stooge role - to make the slimy Clinton appear palatable.

Trump has only been a 'character player' since he went bust & Wall Street took over his failed businesses,
they then keeping him on as a 'Colonel Sanders' - in the idealized brash public face of American 'success'..

Meanwhile the 1%ers got on with screwing the rest of us poor dumb saps over..

[Brian d marge]

Trump is a real life 'Crusty the clown' - he took on the stooge role - to make the slimy Clinton appear palatable.

Trump has only been a 'character player' since he went bust & Wall Street took over his failed businesses,
they then keeping him on as a 'Colonel Sanders' - in the idealized brash public face of American 'success'..

Meanwhile the 1%ers got on with screwing the rest of us poor dumb saps over..
Yup most likely

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[Brian d marge]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161108/56c3b1b81672072e21b2bdd475189377.jpg

I see the morning papers are out early today
..
Either fkin good Photoshop or a fkin good excuse


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[Katman]

I see the morning papers are out early today
..
Either fkin good Photoshop or a fkin good excuse

I believe there are two versions of the cover - the other has DT on it.

[TheDemonLord]

I see the morning papers are out early today
..
Either fkin good Photoshop or a fkin good excuse


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My gut says 'shopped:

Magazine is curved, the gold bands at the top are curved, yet the 'Madam President' looks eerily straight. A quick check with the ol' mousecrometer shows the the difference between the top of the first M in Madam and the Gold band to be different to the same distance of the last M in Madam (which one would expect to be uniform)

Not 100% sure though - I never got into the whole digital image manipulation thing.

[WristTwister]

You know they do mock ups of graphics and newspaper front pages etc... for both candidates right?

[jasonu]

I believe there are two versions of the cover - the other has DT on it.

They won't need the DT version.

[PrincessBandit]

If Clinton wins, Trump is going to claim election rigging; if Trump wins I'm going to claim Gremlin ooops I mean Kremlin rigging!

[mashman]

If Clinton wins, Trump is going to claim election rigging; if Trump wins I'm going to claim Gremlin ooops I mean Kremlin rigging!

Like it matters: Dire Warnings From Past U.S. Presidents and Other High-Profile Leaders About an “Invisible Government” That Runs the U.S. With “No Allegiance To the People” (http://consciouslifenews.com/verified-warnings-presidents-about-invisible-government-running-allegiance-people/1136001/)... but WTF would those guys know :laugh:

[YellowDog]

A work colleague told me he was certain that Trump will win. He said he was privlege to credible information and that there was no doubt.

I said that there was no chance of that happening.

He asked me if I want to put my money where my mouth is?

It was like being back at school. We started at $10, then $20, then $50. He then said "why not make it $100?"

I felt bad taking his money so easily, so we changed the bet to a serious meal for the two of us, inlcuding wine.

My choice is i-Village in by Victoria Park. $100 a head ought to do it :yes:

[Laava]

How romantic!:lol:

[Hemi Makutu]

How romantic!:lol:

You wish someone would shout you a kai, eh Al, ..even some sour grapes, maybe?

Just imagine if Hilary gets lucky, wins, & Bill has to pop a few blue 'uns.. with his coronary bypass bangin'..L.O.L...

[Brian d marge]

You wish someone would shout you a kai, eh Al, ..even some sour grapes, maybe?

Just imagine if Hilary gets lucky, wins, & Bill has to pop a few blue 'uns.. with his coronary bypass bangin'..L.O.L...
I've tried those blue UN's ..damn near killed me , damn thing would go down ....

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[Brian d marge]

I believe there are two versions of the cover - the other has DT on it.
Can't find the trumpy one , I tried t140 , Tiger , cub , terrier Harris ..

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[yokel]

Trumps viral YT ad, says it all really.

But will George Soros's voting machines steel the win ?


https://youtu.be/vST61W4bGm8

[Katman]

If Clinton wins, Trump is going to claim election rigging; if Trump wins I'm going to claim Gremlin ooops I mean Kremlin rigging!

Well of course the election's rigged.

Bernie Sanders would be running against DT if it wasn't.

[Laava]

You wish someone would shout you a kai, eh Al, ..even some sour grapes, maybe?

Just imagine if Hilary gets lucky, wins, & Bill has to pop a few blue 'uns.. with his coronary bypass bangin'..L.O.L...

I,m hoping your obese family bring some kfc when they come visit.

[Hemi Makutu]

I,m hoping your obese family bring some kfc when they come visit.

Like a mere Xmas, au? Heheheh...

Trump might have some turkey left-overs, that looks more like you..

[jasonu]

A work colleague told me he was certain that Trump will win. He said he was privlege to credible information and that there was no doubt.

I said that there was no chance of that happening.

He asked me if I want to put my money where my mouth is?

It was like being back at school. We started at $10, then $20, then $50. He then said "why not make it $100?"

I felt bad taking his money so easily, so we changed the bet to a serious meal for the two of us, inlcuding wine.

My choice is i-Village in by Victoria Park. $100 a head ought to do it :yes:

Easy money. Put me down for a hundy on the old shrew. I hope I loose but I doubt it...
(not interested in any suspect wine and cheese meetings.)

[oldrider]

When the carnival is over tra la la - don't throw me in the briar bush Brer Bear! http://americanfolklore.net/folklore/2010/07/brer_rabbit_meets_a_tar_baby.html

Have Americans and the world ever had the wool pulled over their eyes like they have today? :shifty: (well probably every other presidential election actually) :eek:

[HenryDorsetCase]

Today is the day.

The day the god-emperor trump ascends the gilded throne.

All hail!

All hail!

[TheDemonLord]

Today is the day.

The day the god-emperor trump ascends the gilded throne.

All hail!

All hail!

Dune or WH40k?

[HenryDorsetCase]

Dune or WH40k?

VIKINGS and 4chan......

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.google.co.nz/search?q=us+presidential+election+live+results&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b&gfe_rd=cr&ei=N24iWKSDBNDpugTpyLeoAQ

In case anyone is interested

[Gremlin]

This may help for comparison: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states

[jasonu]

It's a fucking nail biter!!!

[PrincessBandit]

Even for those of us watching on CNN! :corn: And I've never followed a US election before.

[Oakie]

Stoopid 'mercins. They breaking the world.

[pritch]

It's starting to look really good for the orange roughy.

[Brian d marge]

Dog and pony show to keep the sheep amused while the real issues are manipulated.,..

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[sidecar bob]

Dog and pony show to keep the sheep amused while the real issues are manipulated.,..

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Tell us of the "real issues"

[husaberg]

Stoopid 'mercins. .

Never a truer word spoken........

[pritch]

Tell us of the "real issues"

It was a weird campaign, issues and policies were barely mentioned.

None of the polls picked this. Trump was hoping for a Brexit like result and it looks as if he got it. Even if Clinton does still scrape through nobody picked a result this close.

[Ocean1]

Dog and pony show to keep the sheep amused while the real issues are manipulated.,..

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Tell us of the "real issues"


It was a weird campaign, issues and policies were barely mentioned.

None of the polls picked this. Trump was hoping for a Brexit like result and it looks as if he got it. Even if Clinton does still scrape through nobody picked a result this close.

I think what Bob wanted was a coherent argument from the site's resident conspiracy nutter on what issues are being manipulated, by who and some rational, sensible reasons for said nutter's beliefs in said manipulation.

Or maybe an admission that said nutter is just talking shit, yet again.

[mashman]

It was a weird campaign, issues and policies were barely mentioned.

None of the polls picked this. Trump was hoping for a Brexit like result and it looks as if he got it. Even if Clinton does still scrape through nobody picked a result this close.

Sounds like the recent Porirua Mayoral election. Murcans vote like Kiwi it would seem :killingme

[bogan]

Sounds like the recent Porirua Mayoral election. Murcans vote like Kiwi it would seem :killingme

Nah, porirua left their raving lunatic with only a handful of votes and a wide internet to whinge to. Americans put theirs in the whitehouse.

[oldrider]

Like it or not - yokel called it all the way - not bad for someone that most of you think is stupid! :first: . :nya: bunch of losers! :rolleyes:

[Stylo]

This is a 30+ year old song 'It's the end of the world as we know it ' REM

Listen out for the Trump reference

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA_CndlBu0g

[YellowDog]

Hillary Clinton, the US Democratic nominee, has overwhelmingly won the vote in a tiny Pacific island which has correctly predicted the outcome of the presidential election for the last 32 years.


Guam, whose residents are American citizens, holds a general election poll every four years, even though it has no members in the Electoral College.

But while the result of Guam's presidential poll has no bearing on the national election, it may be an indicator of how the rest of the country will vote: Residents of the West Pacific Island, which has a population of 162 000, have correctly chosen the winner of each presidential election since 1980.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/11/election-hillary-clinton-wins-landslide-guam-161108215845783.html

[Brian d marge]

Tell us of the "real issues"
Check ur bond market
Oil pipe lines through Syria
Russia
Shall I continue?



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[Brian d marge]

I think what Bob wanted was a coherent argument from the site's resident conspiracy nutter on what issues are being manipulated, by who and some rational, sensible reasons for said nutter's beliefs in said manipulation.

Or maybe an admission that said nutter is just talking shit, yet again.
Said nutter has been proved right so far

Unlike your good self

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[buggerit]

A work colleague told me he was certain that Trump will win. He said he was privlege to credible information and that there was no doubt.

I said that there was no chance of that happening.

He asked me if I want to put my money where my mouth is?

It was like being back at school. We started at $10, then $20, then $50. He then said "why not make it $100?"

I felt bad taking his money so easily, so we changed the bet to a serious meal for the two of us, inlcuding wine.

My choice is i-Village in by Victoria Park. $100 a head ought to do it :yes:

Oops:wait:

[Madness]

Sounds like the recent Porirua Mayoral election. Murcans vote like Kiwi it would seem :killingme

I was rooting for Judith. Shame really.

[bogan]

Check ur bond market
Oil pipe lines through Syria
Russia
Shall I continue?



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Hang on, you list a whole country as a 'real issue'?


Like it or not - yokel called it all the way - not bad for someone that most of you think is stupid! :first: . :nya: bunch of losers! :rolleyes:

Actually his call was that trump was the correct choice, even before sanders/cruz were out of the running. So nah, he's still a fucking moron, he just has a lot of company.

[Ocean1]

Said nutter has been proved right so far

Unlike your good self

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Tell us again how the market crashed as predicted in 2014, but that only you noticed it.

And I don't make predictions based on nothing but delusional bullshit. When I do you can feel free to consider me competition for site conspiracy nutter, until then you're it champ.

[husaberg]

Like it or not - yokel called it all the way - not bad for someone that most of you think is stupid! :first: . :nya: bunch of losers! :rolleyes:

Yokel called What?


I originality thought he may just be a Clinton shill?
but after seeing how he has destroyed Jeb and others now I'm not so sure.
as always, the truth will be reviled by the result.

If he fails against Hillary = he's a shill.


And then replaced by Obama under emergency legislation just after Iran has been attacked in retaliation for Trumps assassination by box cutter knife welding Arabs!


American elections are controlled the same way as their military drones - very precisely from afar in a very very secure anonymous place! :stoogie: :shifty: :stoogie:

dollars were clearly placed each way. Unless you are an idiot and can't figure that out.
See below for an example

[Hemi Makutu]

But he hasn't, has he...

[TheDemonLord]

Well it looks like Hilary

*puts on sunglasses*

Got Trumped.

[Brian d marge]

Tell us again how the market crashed as predicted in 2014, but that only you noticed it.

And I don't make predictions based on nothing but delusional bullshit. When I do you can feel free to consider me competition for site conspiracy nutter, until then you're it champ.
Get ur head out of the sand you may notice some changes

Us 10 year bond rates are 1.8
Lowest as far as I can remember ..1940s , 2012 were the last time they were near 1.9 I think

But feel free to bluster and blow all u want



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[Ocean1]

Get ur head out of the sand you may notice some changes

Us 10 year bond rates are 1.8
Lowest as far as I can remember ..1940s , 2012 were the last time they were near 1.9 I think

But feel free to bluster and blow all u want

I'd be fucking astonished if anything at all suddenly failed to change.

And this proves there's "a dog and pony show to keep the sheep amused while the real issues are manipulated" exactly how?

Bluster is your specialty. Usually takes the form of an oblique reference to an unrelated item and complete refusal to back that up with any sort of explanation.

[Brian d marge]

I'd be fucking astonished if anything at all suddenly failed to change.

And this proves there's "a dog and pony show to keep the sheep amused while the real issues are manipulated" exactly how?

Bluster is your specialty. Usually takes the form of an oblique reference to an unrelated item and complete refusal to back that up with any sort of explanation.
I gave up using colored crayons to explain the same simple ideas to morons
Your STILL going on about the same house prices , the same unemployed etc even after it was shown to u many time it wasn't the case
So , no ..
If you are willing to learn something and have questions then yes I'll spend the time to explain it to u
But ur track record speaks for itself



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[Hemi Makutu]

"I pity the fools" in the rustbelt & etc, who voted him in, by believing his hype..

But they love to believe the hype, 'cause it - along with 'rah rah' bullshit, is the actual basis of 'merican dream..

[mashman]

Nah, porirua left their raving lunatic with only a handful of votes and a wide internet to whinge to. Americans put theirs in the whitehouse.

You are almost funny.

[mashman]

I was rooting Judith. Shame really.

Fixed that for ya.

[Ocean1]

I gave up using colored crayons to explain the same simple ideas to morons
Your STILL going on about the same house prices , the same unemployed etc even after it was shown to u many time it wasn't the case
So , no ..
If you are willing to learn something and have questions then yes I'll spend the time to explain it to u
But ur track record speaks for itself

Did you miss this one?


And this proves there's "a dog and pony show to keep the sheep amused while the real issues are manipulated" exactly how?

Or....


Bluster is your specialty. Usually takes the form of an oblique reference to an unrelated item and complete refusal to back that up with any sort of explanation.

:laugh:

[oldrider]

Time will reveal all - we have nothing left but to wait and see! :wait:

Getting to this point was one thing doing something positive with the victory is a whole new ball game - four interesting years to go! :scratch: hope is all we have left. :yes:

Something we would have had none of with Hillary Clinton! :no:

Maybe we might have a smidgen with Donald? :shit:

[Grumph]

I'd pick the US will have an almighty hangover tomorrow - like the poms post Brexit vote - What have we just done !!!.

With both houses Republican controlled Trump can be marginalised by his party. The house leader will be de facto president and the party policies can go through. Anything they disagree with from Trump simply won't move.

We'll see. I'd also doubt if the party will want to follow Trump in a witchhunt on the Clintons - too many in there have done much the same things over the years.

In the meantime, buy from the US as their dollar is down....

[400sm]

No more global warming
No more lesbians and homos
( helen and hillary)
A true man, not a puppet faggot nigger
for a world leader.
No more pc
REJOICE kb FAGGOTS ...loflmao

[Brian d marge]

Did you miss this one?



Or....



[emoji23]
And your point is ?



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[pritch]

No more global warming
No more lesbians and homos
( helen and hillary)
A true man, not a puppet faggot nigger
for a world leader.
No more pc
REJOICE kb FAGGOTS ...loflmao



Well that post explains something I have wondered about. Thanks for clearing that up. :whistle:

[mashman]

Like it or not - yokel called it all the way - not bad for someone that most of you think is stupid! :first: . :nya: bunch of losers! :rolleyes:

Not the first 9/11 conspiracy he's seen through though :eek:

[Laava]

Not the first 9/11 conspiracy he's seen through though :eek:

Can I just point out that it actually is 9/11 today?

[Brian d marge]

Time will reveal all - we have nothing left but to wait and see! :wait:

Getting to this point was one thing doing something positive with the victory is a whole new ball game - four interesting years to go! :scratch: hope is all we have left. :yes:

Something we would have had none of with Hillary Clinton! :no:

Maybe we might have a smidgen with Donald? :shit:
Agreed , we will have to wait and see what pans out
I thought Trump would take the popular vote and Clinton would take the election
But from the very little I've heard it's done and dusted
Not that it matters as they are all under orders from the same people
So nothing will change ( we will see)
Seems to me they used the same game plan as Obama , we are change ., in Obama's case he was a black president the first black president....so how about you ....present either a woman , or a regular bloke who shoots from the hip, the people will buy it hook line and sinker and we can get on with our plans as per usual



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[oldrider]

Pretty much sums up what just happened in America: http://www.globalresearch.ca/a-brexit-style-revolution-in-the-usa-the-real-differences-between-clinton-and-trump/5555120

A Brexit-Style Revolution in the USA? The Real Differences between Clinton and Trump :corn:

[jasonu]

Apparently Lady Gaga and Cher were in tears.

[yokel]

Like it or not - yokel called it all the way - not bad for someone that most of you think is stupid! :first: . :nya: bunch of losers! :rolleyes:

Stupid is what stupid does.
I told all the stupids that the MSM polls were all bullshit like brexit.
And after the 9/11 collapse she was finished.

If it wasn't for the MSM Hillary couldn't even be elected local dog catcher.

[Voltaire]

Apparently Lady Gaga and Cher were in tears.

So are they heading off to Canada today?:violin:

Are Trump groupies called Trumpets?

[YellowDog]

Congrats to Hillary Clinton, on losing the very easiest election, in modern times, that the Democrats have had.

Bernie Sanders would have walked it 70/30.

It's such a huge suprise just how many people actually voted for her.

The 'Anyone but the self serving, rapist supporting, war mongering, money buys influence' disolusioned, won the vote :o

[PrincessBandit]

Congrats to Hillary Clinton, on losing the very easiest election, in modern times, that the Democrats have had.

Bernie Sanders would have walked it 70/30.

It's such a huge suprise just how many people actually voted for her.

The 'Anyone but the self serving, rapist supporting, war mongering, money buys influence' disolusioned, won the vote :o

Yeah, I wonder what must be going through Bernie's head right now. (Along with all the other Dem's who were pissed off that he got shafted, for THIS election result!)

[Ocean1]

And your point is ?


Bluster is your specialty. Usually takes the form of an oblique reference to an unrelated item and complete refusal to back that up with any sort of explanation.

.............

[oldrider]

How it went down:

Billionaire and Real Estate Mogul Donald Trump Wins US Presidential Election: http://www.globalresearch.ca/billionaire-and-real-estate-mogul-donald-trump-wins-us-presidential-election/5555966 :corn:

[pritch]

It's amazing really the number of people now saying they predicted a Trump victory. Some people expressed concerns, but I only know of one "pundit" who predicted the outcome correctly. A professor in the States who didn't use polls, he had his own set of indicators which he said were aligned for Trump. A week or so ago the Washington Post went back to him and asked if he wanted to change his mind, but no, he "doubled down". And he was right.*

Anne Coulter claimed she was right, but she was just spouting her extreme right wing rhetoric, which is different to predicting an outcome. Sort of like Yokel posting a load of clips ranging from the slightly unhinged to the outright insane. That's not a prediction either.

Mike Hosking, Newstalk ZB's resident bimbo referred this morning to "that saying about interesting times".
Actually it is reputedly Chinese although that is unlikely. "May you live in interesting times". It is supposedly a curse.

Whatever, we do seem to be living in interesting times.

*
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/28/professor-whos-predicted-30-years-of-presidential-elections-correctly-is-doubling-down-on-a-trump-win/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1

[Katman]

At least the people of Iran might be able to sleep a little easier now.

[Katman]

And the TPPA is all but dead and buried.

[oldrider]

The adage springs to mind - "men shall be known by what they do - rather than what they say" - lets just wait and see if he walks his talk! :wait: . :Oops: or :finger:

[Jeff Sichoe]

Exit polls indicated 53% of people who voted Trump were women or POC (what americans call non-whites)

46% of the U.S didn't vote.

[sidecar bob]

And the TPPA is all but dead and buried.

So I watched all those drongos whining about it on TV & hanging up slogans around my town that they didn't tidy up afterwards all for nothing?

[Grumph]

I've just been reading on another forum the worries of an American on medication supplied on what I take to be Obamacare...
Trump pledged to axe Obamacare as soon as he was sworn in.
This guy reckons that without something to take it's place he'll be dead in a month. Says he's taking $3000US worth of meds a week.....
Talking suicide - and says he knows more in the same boat too.

Interesting times indeed. We're into the land of unforseen consequences now.

[Jeff Sichoe]

Similar story to all the people with gender dysphoria who are mid transition on hormones etc who now face the very real possibility they will have that pulled like a rug from under their feet.

Imagine that, half-man, half-women, abandoned by your government and fellow citizens.

https://twitter.com/MWLaPointe/status/796419859559182336

[pritch]

I've just been reading on another forum the worries of an American on medication supplied on what I take to be Obamacare...
Trump pledged to axe Obamacare as soon as he was sworn in.
This guy reckons that without something to take it's place he'll be dead in a month. Says he's taking $3000US worth of meds a week.....
Talking suicide - and says he knows more in the same boat too.

Interesting times indeed. We're into the land of unforseen consequences now.

Trump did say he would repeal Obamacare and replace it with something better. Hopefully he'll get that in the right order. Hard to see though, so many Republicans seem opposed to their fellow citizens having access to healthcare.

This morning on the 'Net I came across a British TV programme from three months ago. The result having been a major surprise, they had studied the Brexit vote figures and concluded that people, particularly those on lower incomes, do not like telling strangers what they are planning to do. So when a stranger, the pollster, calls they say they are undecided. The TV dudes took the percentages of how the undecided British voted in the Brexit vote, then applied those same percentages to the undecided figures in the three key states in the US election. The prediction was a win for Trump.

The pollsters should learn from that - but probably won't.

[Banditbandit]

Imagine that, half-man, half-women, abandoned by your government and fellow citizens.



You mean like Yokel ??

[sidecar bob]

I've just been reading on another forum the worries of an American on medication supplied on what I take to be Obamacare...
Trump pledged to axe Obamacare as soon as he was sworn in.
This guy reckons that without something to take it's place he'll be dead in a month. Says he's taking $3000US worth of meds a week.....
Talking suicide - and says he knows more in the same boat too.

Interesting times indeed. We're into the land of unforseen consequences now.

I don't wish to sound heartless, but that country (and many others) have huge problems that saving some money would go a long way to fixing. If he keeps doing what has always been done he will get the same result.
If say one million people are consuming $150,000 of medication a year with no contribution that represents a decent financial burden, but you can bet the numbers are far higher than that.
I was never a big fan of his, but I believe that he loves America & that alone is worth something.

[awa355]

I wouldn't panic too much about Trumps promises, Like almost every politician, he will do a U-turn on most pre election pledges.

American flags have been burnt amidst riots protesting at his win, FFS, they did the voting. :brick::brick:

[jasonu]

This morning on the 'Net I came across a British TV programme from three months ago. The result having been a major surprise, they had studied the Brexit vote figures and concluded that people, particularly those on lower incomes, do not like telling strangers what they are planning to do. So when a stranger, the pollster, calls they say they are undecided.
.

I tell them to fuck off and mind their own business. They don't call back.

[TheDemonLord]

I wouldn't panic too much about Trumps promises, Like almost every politician, he will do a U-turn on most pre election pledges.

American flags have been burnt amidst riots protesting at his win, FFS, they did the voting. :brick::brick:

I watched an interesting opinion on this. Someone referenced Trumps book 'the art of the deal' and how Trump will throw out a large list of demands, knowing full well he isn't going to get all of them then being able to compromise on some and succeeding on others. He then compared that to many of Trumps outlandish campaign demands and suggested that Trump is doing exactly what he says in his book

[Brian d marge]

.............
Other people are up to speed . The problem is definitely your end
To say you don't have a clue would the most monumental of all British understatements
But please don't stop , ur entertainment value alone is pure gold...


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[Ocean1]

If say one million people are consuming $150,000 of medication a year with no contribution that represents a decent financial burden, but you can bet the numbers are far higher than that.

There's more than a few consuming that here.

And that's in a system that's supposed to distribute health spending solely on a best effect basis.

[Brian d marge]

I don't wish to sound heartless, but that country (and many others) have huge problems that saving some money would go a long way to fixing. If he keeps doing what has always been done he will get the same result.
If say one million people are consuming $150,000 of medication a year with no contribution that represents a decent financial burden, but you can bet the numbers are far higher than that.
I was never a big fan of his, but I believe that he loves America & that alone is worth something.
A friend of mine, I helped with speed week,
Had accident on way home,
20 k for helicopter, and his house for other medical bills
That was 10 yr ago ....
It ain't like NZ

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[Ocean1]

Other people are up to speed . The problem is definitely your end
To say you don't have a clue would the most monumental of all British understatements
But please don't stop , ur entertainment value alone is pure gold...


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Bluster is your specialty. Usually takes the form of an oblique reference to an unrelated item and complete refusal to back that up with any sort of explanation.

...........

[Brian d marge]

...........
Is this proof of your ability to count , or cut and paste?

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[sidecar bob]

Is this proof of your ability to count , or cut and paste?

sent for a divine source

Look I really don't want to wade into anything, but ive had my eyes peeled for months for you to explain yourself & all I keep getting is that you have & we just aren't smart enough to have "got it"

[Brian d marge]

Look I really don't want to wade into anything, but ive had my eyes peeled for months for you to explain yourself & all I keep getting is that you have & we just aren't smart enough to have "got it"

what is "it " im supposed to "explain" ? judging by the comment i get off line ,Im pretty sure "others are getting " it ..

a few posts a go , I responded to ur question, I posted , the bond market Russia , etc ...

Now u have two option , if your not sure , A; ask ( offline as you have done before ) B; do your own research to find out "why " I said such a thing , and Then call bullshyt ,

Its nothing to do with being smart enough , just unread. and that is a simple fix.

[sidecar bob]

what is "it " im supposed to "explain" ? judging by the comment i get off line ,Im pretty sure "others are getting " it ..

a few posts a go , I responded to ur question, I posted , the bond market Russia , etc ...

Now u have two option , if your not sure , A; ask ( offline as you have done before ) B; do your own research to find out "why " I said such a thing , and Then call bullshyt ,

Its nothing to do with being smart enough , just unread. and that is a simple fix.

Yeah, ok, Im just going to put it down to us being tuned in to such deeply different frequencies that you may as well be speaking Russian.
If that makes me a dumbass then im cool with that.
I cant change some shit, so I probably give it bugger all space & as a result don't get it. Or it could be my Autisim, or ADHD that's making it hard for me.

[mashman]

I wouldn't panic too much about Trumps promises, Like almost every politician, he will do a U-turn on most pre election pledges.

American flags have been burnt amidst riots protesting at his win, FFS, they did the voting. :brick::brick:

Why wait til yer president when you can do that very thing and become president. Start at 3:55, end at 6:23. When it's expected, accepted and virtually a guaranteed vote winner, you gotta ask why people vote for it again and again. Much like National and Labour voters in NZ :D


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZTLmvUDIEg

[Brian d marge]

Yeah, ok, Im just going to put it down to us being tuned in to such deeply different frequencies that you may as well be speaking Russian.
If that makes me a dumbass then im cool with that.
.
Yes ,thats an excellent way of putting it . but you aint a dumbarse

The unfortunant thing is that the people in " power" I use that term very loosely , know that most people cant be arsed , looking into there silly games . AND they are silly such as; Nissan ? Mazda ? WTF do they mean , it ain’t Japanese , نيسان Nīsān, something to do with the april in arabic ,in Hebrew , it means the first month of the year , the vernal spring equinox, Mazda is the same meaning in Persian these people are NUTs , and its in ya face all the time and WE are too stupid to realise it , ( IMHO)

I know , its my bad , but Im curious about all this stuff , for example , ,,, why is the US 10 year treasury note , at an all time low IF not the LOWEST point ever ? The treasury note traditionally being a safe haven for investors and an inverse of the stock market , as in people move their money away from risk into a safer option , the more demand for the bond the lower the yield. its was at at 1.36 52 week low .2 at the moment .... is it only me worried about this . I dont know

So yes , I know , I could ( and I sometimes do expand ) but as you can see, if I was to expand on a lot of these things , I would spend 27 hours a day on KB ..and in a few min I need to go back to work.

So as I said to ocean , if ya have questions , Im more than happy to explain whats going on in me unpissed head ( pissed is another deal all together ? but I cant spare the time to explain every little detail to someone whom is unwilling to at least make an attempt to get on a similar page ,

just to end , Pepsi , have a look at who the Egyptians called pepsi .....

[Brian d marge]

[QUOTE=mashman;1131011964]Why wait til yer president when you can do that very thing and become president. Start at 3:55, end at 6:23. When it's expected, accepted and virtually a guaranteed vote winner, you gotta ask why people vote for it again and again. Much like National and Labour voters in NZ :D

QUOTE]

not the only time the dow jones slipped 777 points
hahahahaaaaaaa

[Grumph]

Yes ,thats an excellent way of putting it . but you aint a dumbarse

The unfortunant thing is that the people in " power" I use that term very loosely , know that most people cant be arsed , looking into there silly games . AND they are silly such as; Nissan ? Mazda ? WTF do they mean , it ain’t Japanese , نيسان Nīsān, something to do with the april in arabic ,in Hebrew , it means the first month of the year , the vernal spring equinox, Mazda is the same meaning in Persian these people are NUTs , and its in ya face all the time and WE are too stupid to realise it , ( IMHO)

I know , its my bad , but Im curious about all this stuff , for example , ,,, why is the US 10 year treasury note , at an all time low IF not the LOWEST point ever ? The treasury note traditionally being a safe haven for investors and an inverse of the stock market , as in people move their money away from risk into a safer option , the more demand for the bond the lower the yield. its was at at 1.36 52 week low .2 at the moment .... is it only me worried about this . I dont know

So yes , I know , I could ( and I sometimes do expand ) but as you can see, if I was to expand on a lot of these things , I would spend 27 hours a day on KB ..and in a few min I need to go back to work.

So as I said to ocean , if ya have questions , Im more than happy to explain whats going on in me unpissed head ( pissed is another deal all together ? but I cant spare the time to explain every little detail to someone whom is unwilling to at least make an attempt to get on a similar page ,

just to end , Pepsi , have a look at who the Egyptians called pepsi .....

Einstein couldn't come up with a unified theory either....I'd postulate that if you can't, there may not be a unifying factor...

And I'll leave you with two words - Shit happens.

[sidecar bob]

Einstein couldn't come up with a unified theory either....I'd postulate that if you can't, there may not be a unifying factor...

And I'll leave you with two words - Shit happens.

Now here is a man I understand!!:niceone:
Youre a chum Grumph.

[Brian d marge]

Einstein couldn't come up with a unified theory either....I'd postulate that if you can't, there may not be a unifying factor...

And I'll leave you with two words - Shit happens.
Nowt to do with unified theory ..I suggest u missed the point


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[Brian d marge]

Now here is a man I understand!!:niceone:
Youre a chum Grumph.
Your choice...

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[jasonu]

Exit polls indicated 53% of people who voted Trump were women or POC (what americans call non-whites)

46% of the U.S didn't vote.

It was a record turnout.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016/11/08/election-2016-turnout-records-trump-clinton/93498784/

[sidecar bob]

Your choice...

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He builds race engines, really good ones, I use race engines. Its that kind of understanding.;)

[Brian d marge]

He builds race engines, really good ones, I use race engines. Its that kind of understanding.;)
I know he is good at his craft

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[oldrider]

This is the relationship to watch out for: The Presidential incumbent and the president elect - :shifty: - only one of them knows the truth about the others real role! :shutup:

Or how much the relationship actually costs the American taxpayer annually! (follow the money) :confused: . :wait: . :shit: . :eek: . :facepalm:

PM Netanyahu Statement on US Election
(Communicated by the Prime Minister’s Media Adviser)

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu:

“I congratulate Donald Trump on being elected the 45th President of the
United States of America.

President-elect Trump is a true friend of the State of Israel, and I look
forward to working with him to advance security, stability and peace in our
region.

​The ironclad bond between the United States and Israel is rooted in shared
values, buttressed by shared interests and driven by a shared destiny.

I am confident that President-elect Trump and I will continue to strengthen
the unique alliance between our two countries and bring it to ever greater
heights.”

Or will he be a man of his word and "Make America Great Again" - instead of making Israel great at America's expense? - Now that will be interesting! :corn:

[bogan]

Yes ,thats an excellent way of putting it . but you aint a dumbarse

The unfortunant thing is that the people in " power" I use that term very loosely , know that most people cant be arsed , looking into there silly games . AND they are silly such as; Nissan ? Mazda ? WTF do they mean , it ain’t Japanese , نيسان Nīsān, something to do with the april in arabic ,in Hebrew , it means the first month of the year , the vernal spring equinox, Mazda is the same meaning in Persian these people are NUTs , and its in ya face all the time and WE are too stupid to realise it , ( IMHO)

I know , its my bad , but Im curious about all this stuff , for example , ,,, why is the US 10 year treasury note , at an all time low IF not the LOWEST point ever ? The treasury note traditionally being a safe haven for investors and an inverse of the stock market , as in people move their money away from risk into a safer option , the more demand for the bond the lower the yield. its was at at 1.36 52 week low .2 at the moment .... is it only me worried about this . I dont know

So yes , I know , I could ( and I sometimes do expand ) but as you can see, if I was to expand on a lot of these things , I would spend 27 hours a day on KB ..and in a few min I need to go back to work.

So as I said to ocean , if ya have questions , Im more than happy to explain whats going on in me unpissed head ( pissed is another deal all together ? but I cant spare the time to explain every little detail to someone whom is unwilling to at least make an attempt to get on a similar page ,

just to end , Pepsi , have a look at who the Egyptians called pepsi .....

Have you considered they might have just picked names they liked? Or how unlikely it is that they would name the fucking company in such a way to give away all these illuminati motives?

Likewise, perhaps an alltime low, is simply that there always has to be an alltime low at some time?

You're seeing shit that isn't there, were it there, you'd probably be able to actually explain it with even just a smidge of specificity.

[oldrider]

So how did they do it the first time around? - War! - Hillary Clinton was always right on track she was an outright open terrorist warmonger! :ar15:

Why America Needs War: http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-america-needs-war/5328631 Interesting read. :corn:

So OK how is Donald going to make America Great again without the grand old American continuous war program? (Probably in a country near you!) :scratch:

[yokel]

It's amazing really the number of people now saying they predicted a Trump victory. Some people expressed concerns, but I only know of one "pundit" who predicted the outcome correctly. A professor in the States who didn't use polls, he had his own set of indicators which he said were aligned for Trump. A week or so ago the Washington Post went back to him and asked if he wanted to change his mind, but no, he "doubled down". And he was right.*

Anne Coulter claimed she was right, but she was just spouting her extreme right wing rhetoric, which is different to predicting an outcome. Sort of like Yokel posting a load of clips ranging from the slightly unhinged to the outright insane. That's not a prediction either.

Mike Hosking, Newstalk ZB's resident bimbo referred this morning to "that saying about interesting times".
Actually it is reputedly Chinese although that is unlikely. "May you live in interesting times". It is supposedly a curse.

Whatever, we do seem to be living in interesting times.

*
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/10/28/professor-whos-predicted-30-years-of-presidential-elections-correctly-is-doubling-down-on-a-trump-win/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1

You know, instead of criticising the people that called it , you should criticize the ones that got it wrong.
It's what an intelligent person would do.



https://youtu.be/grD_IINiH9c


Similar story to all the people with gender dysphoria who are mid transition on hormones etc who now face the very real possibility they will have that pulled like a rug from under their feet.

Imagine that, half-man, half-women, abandoned by your government and fellow citizens.

https://twitter.com/MWLaPointe/status/796419859559182336

Good fucking job .


You mean like Yokel ??

Here's a revaluation for you, male =/= female.

There's no such thing as "gender", it's just cultural Marxist fucking nonsense.

Maybe now we can go back to two "genders" ??

[bogan]

you should criticize the ones that got it wrong.

The ones that voted for Trump you mean?

[ellipsis]

...talk, talk, talk, unqualified talk, more talk...sheets of drivel...quotes, lies, clips, drivel...talk , talk, talk, ...expletives...wanking on...complete misunderstanding of what's really happening...sorry let me rephrase that...my cock is caught in my zip...66% of the women had cunts...oh no...this can't be happening...I fucken said it would...what?, a woman president, fuck off...must phone Vlad, get the inside story...who do we shoot?...is my CBR's front wheel bearing gone and should I walk the rest of the way...what's for breakfast...is this big enough for you baby, please don't hurt me...

[YellowDog]

A bit of an oxymoron really:

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[Voltaire]

So how did they do it the first time around? - War! - Hillary Clinton was always right on track she was an outright open terrorist warmonger! :ar15:

Why America Needs War: http://www.globalresearch.ca/why-america-needs-war/5328631 Interesting read. :corn:

So OK how is Donald going to make America Great again without the grand old American continuous war program? (Probably in a country near you!) :scratch:

And here I was thinking it was mass producing cars like the Model T, building huge train networks and making great products the world wanted to buy.

Hopefully this is the last of the Pensioner Presidents the US gets, as living in the past and thinking you can tell Apple and other US companies manufacturingin China and move the factory to the rust belt is not going to happen, would mean CEO's could not pay themselves obscene salaries, either is the wall of most of the other drivel spouted in the last year. I imagine the Republicans can control Donald better than if Hillary got in.

[Grumph]

Another amusing sidelight from an American forum....An Indiana resident apologising for Pense.
I think Pense was the Indiana Governor ? Anyway, he's praying Trump stays healthy as Pense is way worse.
A bible bashing, anti abortion, creationism teaching pure bible belt bigot of the worst kind he says....

[Voltaire]

Another amusing sidelight from an American forum....An Indiana resident apologising for Pense.
I think Pense was the Indiana Governor ? Anyway, he's praying Trump stays healthy as Pense is way worse.
A bible bashing, anti abortion, creationism teaching pure bible belt bigot of the worst kind he says....

Sentiment on some other US bike forums are anyone but Hilary, as lets face it, Donald is totally unqualified to be President of anything more than an RSA or Bowling Club.
Its no good the millennials moaning on Twitter or Facebook, that's not how politics works, maybe in another 20 years it might just be who gets the most likes.

[Ocean1]

And here I was thinking it was mass producing cars like the Model T, building huge train networks and making great products the world wanted to buy.

Hopefully this is the last of the Pensioner Presidents the US gets, as living in the past and thinking you can tell Apple and other US companies manufacturingin China and move the factory to the rust belt is not going to happen, would mean CEO's could not pay themselves obscene salaries, either is the wall of most of the other drivel spouted in the last year. I imagine the Republicans can control Donald better than if Hillary got in.

Do they really think that they can manufacture in the US, with US wage rates and still buy a new 65" TV for a couple of hundred bucks?

There just can't be that much of a reality disconnect can there?

[Voltaire]

Do they really think that they can manufacture in the US, with US wage rates and still buy a new 65" TV for a couple of hundred bucks?

There just can't be that much of a reality disconnect can there?

Remember when they used to make TV's here...PYE I think they were made in Waihi or somewhere. Noble attempt by Govt to give workers jobs in the regions but I think when we got our B and W one in the early 60's it was probably 6 months wages or more, cars were made here and cost a fortune.

The US who had huge manufacturing capacity have sent it to China and there must be huge Waihi like places with bugger all to do.
When GM went belly up the Govt poured lots of money into that, did it help?

Same thing happened int he UK in the 70's and they seem to have moved on.

[yokel]

Remember when they used to make TV's here...PYE I think they were made in Waihi or somewhere. Noble attempt by Govt to give workers jobs in the regions but I think when we got our B and W one in the early 60's it was probably 6 months wages or more, cars were made here and cost a fortune.

The US who had huge manufacturing capacity have sent it to China and there must be huge Waihi like places with bugger all to do.
When GM went belly up the Govt poured lots of money into that, did it help?

Same thing happened int he UK in the 70's and they seem to have moved on.

Yes tv's are cheap as now and a home is now half a million bucks.

What a fucking win eh?

[yokel]

The ones that voted for Trump you mean?

Could you possibly reply with anything more retarded?

Now let's here it from the "smart" and "tolerant" Hillary supporters


https://youtu.be/1d9lm-T87AQ

[TheDemonLord]

Yes tv's are cheap as now and a home is now half a million bucks.

What a fucking win eh?

It is if you own your home....

[TheDemonLord]

Remember when they used to make TV's here...PYE I think they were made in Waihi or somewhere. Noble attempt by Govt to give workers jobs in the regions but I think when we got our B and W one in the early 60's it was probably 6 months wages or more, cars were made here and cost a fortune.

The US who had huge manufacturing capacity have sent it to China and there must be huge Waihi like places with bugger all to do.
When GM went belly up the Govt poured lots of money into that, did it help?

Same thing happened int he UK in the 70's and they seem to have moved on.

Well that's simple - We got Margaret Thatcher and her planetary sized brass balls.

[yokel]

It is if you own your home....

Well I do and it's almost freehold,
The market booms been good to me but it's bad for the county as a whole.
When it crashes and it will, I'll feel sorry for all the new people to the market that will lose their hard earned kiwi saver deposits.

[Ocean1]

Remember when they used to make TV's here...PYE I think they were made in Waihi or somewhere. Noble attempt by Govt to give workers jobs in the regions but I think when we got our B and W one in the early 60's it was probably 6 months wages or more, cars were made here and cost a fortune.

The US who had huge manufacturing capacity have sent it to China and there must be huge Waihi like places with bugger all to do.
When GM went belly up the Govt poured lots of money into that, did it help?

Same thing happened int he UK in the 70's and they seem to have moved on.

Yeah, Phillips had a factory in The Hutt, disappeared around the same time, for exactly the same reason: NZ decided free trade worked better for a primary exporting country than trade barriers did. The Phillips plant made some good stuff, but most protected industries didn't.

We were right then and we're right now, making shit and overcharging for it only works because the customer can't buy from anyone else. And the argument that the customer should pay a premium for shit because otherwise the taxpayer has to is pretty weak. It ignores the option of producers actually offering something their customers actually want to buy, for a realistic price.

Small countries seem to do better by specialising more, but other than boatbuilding we don't seem to make it easy for such industries.

[TheDemonLord]

Well I do and it's almost freehold,
The market booms been good to me but it's bad for the county as a whole.
When it crashes and it will, I'll feel sorry for all the new people to the market that will lose their hard earned kiwi saver deposits.

Even if the Market crashes - what are you left with?

A Nice house, in a nice country, with nice Neighbors, Sea Views, Beaches in walking distance.

It could be worse....

[Jeff Sichoe]

Yeah, Phillips had a factory in The Hutt, disappeared around the same time, for exactly the same reason: NZ decided free trade worked better for a primary exporting country than trade barriers did. The Phillips plant made some good stuff, but most protected industries didn't.

We were right then and we're right now, making shit and overcharging for it only works because the customer can't buy from anyone else. And the argument that the customer should pay a premium for shit because otherwise the taxpayer has to is pretty weak. It ignores the option of producers actually offering something their customers actually want to buy, for a realistic price.

Small countries seem to do better by specialising more, but other than boatbuilding we don't seem to make it easy for such industries.

Yeah ok you can accept that if you can also accept child slave labour and NO workers rights which is the only reason imports are as cheap as they are.

It's not a 'free' market when the people creating the goods are slaves

[scumdog]

Yeah ok you can accept that if you can also accept child slave labour and NO workers rights which is the only reason imports are as cheap as they are.

It's not a 'free' market when the people creating the goods are slaves

IF they weren't 'creating the goods' and doing whatever they did before creating said goods would they be better off?

[pzkpfw]

Yeah ok you can accept that if you can also accept child slave labour and NO workers rights which is the only reason imports are as cheap as they are.

It's not a 'free' market when the people creating the goods are slaves

The systems do correct a bit.

Already, the Chinese middle classes want their standards to improve and their wage expectations have risen. That's driven some manufacturing out of China to the next-cheapest in line.

A good way to get equality and a "free" market is for everyone's standards to rise to the same level.

[Voltaire]

Yes tv's are cheap as now and a home is now half a million bucks.

What a fucking win eh?

Two bedroom Home Units near me are over 700K, they say due to immigration but generally immigrants don't turn up with a lot cash..., the world awash with cheap fiat money and investors who no longer wish to have money in the bank returning pittance.

TV's will go up in price in the US once they start making them locally.:whistle:

[Voltaire]

The systems do correct a bit.

Already, the Chinese middle classes want their standards to improve and their wage expectations have risen. That's driven some manufacturing out of China to the next-cheapest in line.

A good way to get equality and a "free" market is for everyone's standards to rise to the same level.

I don't think you can avoid the pyramid of low earners at the bottom and the 1% at the top, I was in India last year and seeing a Western looking Audi dealers in among the poverty tends to suggest there is some money there for a few, seen similar in other Asian countries too.

[Hemi Makutu]

1%ers use the 'free market' as a 'pyramid scheme'..

I wonder if Trump will manage to avoid paying tax on his presidential salary.

[Katman]

....but generally immigrants don't turn up with a lot cash

I think you're confusing Indians and Chinese with Samoans.

[Brian d marge]

Another amusing sidelight from an American forum....An Indiana resident apologising for Pense.
I think Pense was the Indiana Governor ? Anyway, he's praying Trump stays healthy as Pense is way worse.
A bible bashing, anti abortion, creationism teaching pure bible belt bigot of the worst kind he says....
Yup and look at where his money comes from
A worry is , is the tail wagging the dog , or the dog wagging the tail.

One thing , I heard that Hitlary got the popular vote
So if this is right then she still could swing it , via the electorial college

One month will tell .. as far as I know

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[pritch]

Even if the Market crashes - what are you left with?

A Nice house, in a nice country, with nice Neighbors, Sea Views, Beaches in walking distance.

It could be worse....

As long as interest rates stay low. Since they are at record low levels the likelihood is that they will rise, they could easily double quickly. Then the people that bought expensive houses with big mortgages might lose their nice house, neighbours and views etc.

[Brian d marge]

As long as interest rates stay low. Since they are at record low levels the liklihood is that they will rise, they could easily double quickly, then the people that bought expensive houses with big mortgages might lose their nice house, neighbours and views etc.
If those interest rates rise by any significant amount
Debt , not just ur house , but national debt will be come difficult to repay
In some cases impossible

That's why governments are moving towards a low interest rate ..imho

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[pritch]

I think you're confusing Indians and Chinese with Samoans.

LOL. Gotta share the love ow.

There are some seriously wealthy immigrants. From Europe and the US as well as Asia. They are not noticeable beacause a lot of them buy farms. The farm costs so much it can never be economic but it lets them get away from the madding crowds, and it's an appreciating investment.

[YellowDog]

It's a matter of working out what's important :yes:

[Ocean1]

Yeah ok you can accept that if you can also accept child slave labour and NO workers rights which is the only reason imports are as cheap as they are.

It's not a 'free' market when the people creating the goods are slaves

Yeah, third world conditions are lower than most of us would like. But they're massively better than they were before free markets and international trade allowed them a slice of the pie. A slice that continues to grow year by year: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/declining-global-poverty-share-1820-2015


So how 'bout you go ask all them "slaves" if they'd rather go back to 80% infant mortality, a lifespan average of 17, zero health care, subsistence farming/fishing, endemic government corruption and routine tribal warfare or whether they'd rather continue actually improving their lives by picking up jobs their western clients can't be fucked doing.

[pritch]

So if this is right then she still could swing it , via the electorial college


Not so. The popular vote is bloody near irelevant it seems. In the nature of a consolation prize to the loser?
There was virtually no mention of it on the CNN live coverage. All they were interested in was the electoral college figures, and Trump won those convincingly.

Some media have been mentioning Trump's mandate. Others question what mandate he has if he lost the popular vote.
I'm with the late Gil Scott Heron, "Mandate my ass!"

[mashman]

If those interest rates rise by any significant amount
Debt , not just ur house , but national debt will be come difficult to repay
In some cases impossible

That's why governments are moving towards a low interest rate ..imho

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Difficult to repay :laugh:. You reckon it can be repaid?

[Clockwork]

Yeah, third world conditions are lower than most of us would like. But they're massively better than they were before free markets and international trade allowed them a slice of the pie. A slice that continues to grow year by year: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/declining-global-poverty-share-1820-2015


So how 'bout you go ask all them "slaves" if they'd rather go back to 80% infant mortality, a lifespan average of 17, zero health care, subsistence farming/fishing, endemic government corruption and routine tribal warfare or whether they'd rather continue actually improving their lives by picking up jobs their western clients can't be fucked doing.

Hey.... I'm really thrilled that their quality of life is improving.

Not so thrilled that mine is declining. Even less impressed that my children/grandchildren can look forward to an ever declining standard of living/employment conditions so that wealthy investors and shareholders can continue to get wealthier. Just hope that ol' "trickle-down" begins to kick-in real soon now!

[TheDemonLord]

Hey.... I'm really thrilled that their quality of life is improving.

Not so thrilled that mine is declining. Even less impressed that my children/grandchildren can look forward to an ever declining standard of living/employment conditions so that wealthy investors and shareholders can continue to get wealthier. Just hope that ol' "trickle-down" begins to kick-in real soon now!

Even with housing issues - the Standard of living in the west has never been higher - so I have to ask:

U Wot M8?

[Ocean1]

Hey.... I'm really thrilled that their quality of life is improving.

Not so thrilled that mine is declining. Even less impressed that my children/grandchildren can look forward to an ever declining standard of living/employment conditions so that wealthy investors and shareholders can continue to get wealthier. Just hope that ol' "trickle-down" begins to kick-in real soon now!

Oh wah. So you find you can't compete with unskilled farmers half a planet away, to what extent do you expect your countrymen to subsidise your lack of productivity?

And if wealthy investors and shareholders are doing better than you think they should then like everyone else you have the choice of not buying their product or setting up shop right alongside them.

Whining because you don't get paid as much as you think you should isn't going to change shit.

[jasonu]

Even if the Market crashes - what are you left with?

A Nice house, in a nice country, with nice Neighbors, Sea Views, Beaches in walking distance.

It could be worse....

In some cases a nice house that is worth 1/2 what you owe on it and no job ie you're fucked. That's what happened here in 2008.

[jasonu]

I think you're confusing Indians and Chinese with Samoans.

Must spread more rep!!!!!

[jasonu]

1%ers use the 'free market' as a 'pyramid scheme'..

I wonder if Trump will manage to avoid paying tax on his presidential salary.

The prez gets more or less $500k p/a. I'd be more interested in the tax paid on the $500k a shot after dinner speeches they give after the presidency ends.

[Ocean1]

In some cases a nice house that is worth 1/2 what you owe on it and no job ie you're fucked. That's what happened here in 2008.

Think it'd happen anywhere responsibility for the loan isn't directly linked solely to the borrower and the lender.

[jasonu]

I think you're confusing Indians and Chinese with Samoans.

Best post in ages!!!!!

[jasonu]

Think it'd happen anywhere responsibility for the loan isn't directly linked solely to the borrower and the lender.

True enough. Freddie Mac and Fanny May, amongst others got a ration for their loaning practices.

[TheDemonLord]

In some cases a nice house that is worth 1/2 what you owe on it and no job ie you're fucked. That's what happened here in 2008.

Well, the no job part would be unfortunate - but my point being is that:

a: a paper value loss isn't necessarily a bad thing if you are still enjoying a high standard of living.
b: Those things are widely considered valuable and as such, it is only a matter of time till the market bounces back again.

[Brian d marge]

Difficult to repay [emoji23]. You reckon it can be repaid?
I know Japan , I assume it's similar elsewhere
It's mathematically impossible to repay all the debt in a fiat currency model
If Japan's debt level gets to 4% then the tax take is not sufficient
So they either low the interest rates or devalue the currency or find a new .com bubble
Tis what happened in Germany

The question is how long can the can ( great song by Suzi Quotro) be kicked down the road.

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[Brian d marge]

Not so. The popular vote is bloody near irelevant it seems. In the nature of a consolation prize to the loser?
There was virtually no mention of it on the CNN live coverage. All they were interested in was the electoral college figures, and Trump won those convincingly.

Some media have been mentioning Trump's mandate. Others question what mandate he has if he lost the popular vote.
I'm with the late Gil Scott Heron, "Mandate my ass!"
I need to get a little more up too speed on this popular vote thing , I just caught it on an alternate media site last night

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[sidecar bob]

In some cases a nice house that is worth 1/2 what you owe on it and no job ie you're fucked. That's what happened here in 2008.

Nobody forces anyone to get into debt, if people want to leverage themselves that hard its tough luck if they come a cropper.
Where there is return there is also risk.

[yokel]

I need to get a little more up too speed on this popular vote thing , I just caught it on an alternate media site last night

sent for a divine source

The popular vote is irrelevant as that's not how it's played and won.
They campaign to get the electoral votes.

[yokel]

Nobody forces anyone to get into debt, if people want to leverage themselves that hard its tough luck if they come a cropper.
Where there is return there is also risk.

Fair enough, but why should the people have to bale out the bankers after getting people into unserviceable debt?

[mashman]

I know Japan , I assume it's similar elsewhere
It's mathematically impossible to repay all the debt in a fiat currency model
If Japan's debt level gets to 4% then the tax take is not sufficient
So they either low the interest rates or devalue the currency or find a new .com bubble
Tis what happened in Germany

The question is how long can the can ( great song by Suzi Quotro) be kicked down the road.

sent for a divine source

It were a rhetorical question ;).

So long as they're printing money, you can kick the can as long as you like... til someone of influence sharts themself badly enough that it all comes tumbling down. Risk eh. Good job it's so localised.

[Brian d marge]

Yeah, third world conditions are lower than most of us would like. But they're massively better than they were before free markets and international trade allowed them a slice of the pie. A slice that continues to grow year by year: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/declining-global-poverty-share-1820-2015


So how 'bout you go ask all them "slaves" if they'd rather go back to 80% infant mortality, a lifespan average of 17, zero health care, subsistence farming/fishing, endemic government corruption and routine tribal warfare or whether they'd rather continue actually improving their lives by picking up jobs their western clients can't be fucked doing.
Quoting from your 1979 Cia world fact book , Christmas edition
Is like a farmer asking the turkeys about Christmas

It may have escaped you notice but in order to compare you need a base line
So let's try and find a non corrupt government..
Yes u can use their criteria. But u need a base line

I would stick to ur Dan dare album ya mom gave ya

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[sidecar bob]

Fair enough, but why should the people have to bale out the bankers after getting people into unserviceable debt?

Well I'm not equipped to answer that.
All I can tell you is that I was not bailed out of anything as a child or young adult, therefore I don't go into anything thinking that anyone will bail me out if I fuck it up, so am wired accordingly to choose my path very carefully.

[Stylo]

We'll have to see where the horse will take them, I guess ...

Breakback Mountain revisited


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[jasonu]

Nobody forces anyone to get into debt, if people want to leverage themselves that hard its tough luck if they come a cropper.
Where there is return there is also risk.

Right on Sista. In the early 2000's people here including a couple of mates re financed their houses as the value was shooting up, spent the money on quads, boats, trips, cars etc. When the bubble burst. Nek minit...see post 2232.

[Brian d marge]

It were a rhetorical question ;).

So long as they're printing money, you can kick the can as long as you like... til someone of influence sharts themself badly enough that it all comes tumbling down. Risk eh. Good job it's so localised.
Zimbabwe, Venezuela, your friend and mind wiemar, and Japan
Top of the fantasy league of champions.
The US of A are in extra time 2 goals down...

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[Katman]

I don't agree with his pick on a Sanders/Trump outcome but his viewpoint is certainly worth considering nonetheless.

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(He even talks about bogan @ 7.35).