The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread? [Archive] - Page 14

Banditbandit

14th February 2017, 13:41

It's hilarious - you can see Patterns of global conspiracy, but you can't see an inferred reference to the Human ability for Pattern Recognition and its development from Children to Adults.

The human propensity for pattern recognition has been suggested as one of the beginnings of religion - we see faces in the landscape - and propose the existence of "other" beings ..

http://www.smh.com.au/cqstatic/1mn3hy/2007%2010%2027%20038%20Face%20in%20cliff%20at%20S% 20end%20of%20Burkes%20Creek%20Road%20reduced%20siz e.jpg

TheDemonLord

14th February 2017, 14:11

In other words, the point of your post was exactly as I figured.

I did say you were close, did I not - but then you missed the most important point - not only was I implying that most people grow out of this (which you got) - but also the deeper meaning about being wary of seeing patterns in randomised datapoints where no patterns may actually exist.

So, did you watch the video?

No - again, I thought this was obvious - since I neither referenced the video or made any mention of it.

Katman

14th February 2017, 14:27

I did say you were close, did I not - but then you missed the most important point - not only was I implying that most people grow out of this (which you got) - but also the deeper meaning about being wary of seeing patterns in randomised datapoints where no patterns may actually exist.

Well you're wrong - again.

If your only intention was to point out the idea of seeing patterns in random occurrences there was no need for the bit about 'adults who laugh at them'.

The only reason for the inclusion of that bit was your inference that anyone who sees events as part of a carefully choreographed plan is to be likened to a child while those who see everything as a totally random series of coincidental events is likened to an adult.

Hence why I asked - have you watched the video?

The fact that you haven't watched it means you're still happy to present your arguments from a position of ignorance.

Well done you.

TheDemonLord

14th February 2017, 14:45

Well you're wrong - again.

Of course - because the Great KatFlap could never be wrong....

If your only intention was to point out the idea of seeing patterns in random occurrences there was no need for the bit about 'adults who laugh at them'.

There really was - Afterall, Many Adults (and quite a few children) laugh at Immature Conspiracy Theorists.

The only reason for the inclusion of that bit was your inference that anyone who sees events as part of a carefully choreographed plan is to be liken to a child while those who see everything as a totally random series of coincidental events is likened to an adult.

Not quite - There sometimes are carefully choreographed events, there sometimes aren't.
Having the awareness to know that your mind can play tricks on you is the hallmark of an Adult.
Resisting the temptation to jump to a conclusion that suits your world view is the hallmark of an Adult.
Knowing that Correlation and Causation are two very separate and distinct things is the hallmark of an Adult.

What you consistently do is NOT the above - you consistently look at an outcome of an Event, see that someone (typically a person or group that is either in power or you perceive to be in power) benefited from said event and then ascribe blame/agency to that person or group without any other objective evidence.

To that end, using your methodology you would say that the NZ building trades union along with the Real Estate Agents Authority of NZ and Landlords caused the Christchurch Earthquakes.

Hence why I asked - have you watched the video?

No, you asked because you get your jollies off trying to get me to watch your inane repetitive propagandizing Crap.

The fact that you haven't watched it means you're still happy to present your arguments from a position of ignorance.

What Arguments?
What Ignorance?

I've not addressed anything specific on any subject, I've only made generalizations about you and your kind - so why would I need to watch a Video? If I was making an observation on the Video itself, the quality of the evidence in that video then maybe you would have a point.

Well done you.

Yes.
Quite.

Katman

14th February 2017, 14:48

To that end, using your methodology you would say that the NZ building trades union along with the Real Estate Agents Authority of NZ and Landlords caused the Christchurch Earthquakes.

Seriously dude, there's that autism again.

jasonu

14th February 2017, 15:11

Are you suggesting this thread is moved to the pink zone?

I'm surprised it hasn't already.

Katman

14th February 2017, 15:22

I've not addressed anything specific on any subject, I've only made generalizations about you and your kind - so why would I need to watch a Video? If I was making an observation on the Video itself, the quality of the evidence in that video then maybe you would have a point.

If you haven't watched the video how can you have an opinion on the correlation between the events that they're suggesting?

TheDemonLord

14th February 2017, 15:52

If you haven't watched the video how can you have an opinion on the correlation between the events that they're suggesting?

I don't, you Idiot.

But YOU do.

And it's the ways and means that you frequently come to hold an opinion that I am mocking.

After all - is it not you who are so in love with asking cui bono?

So clearly the Chch Earthquake was caused by a Kabal of Builders, Real estate Agents and Landlords - as they most certainly benefited.

Unless of course you wish to concede that sometimes this method of investigation leads to obviously absurd conclusions (like your conspiracy theories for example).....

Katman

14th February 2017, 15:56

I don't, you Idiot.

But YOU do.

And it's the ways and means that you frequently come to hold an opinion that I am mocking.

After - it is you who are so in love with asking cui bono?

So clearly the Chch Earthquake was caused by a Kabal of Builders, Real estate Agents and Landlords - as they most certainly benefited.

Unless of course you wish to concede that sometimes this method of investigation leads to obviously absurd conclusions (like your conspiracy theories for example).....

So in other words, the video might well be bang on the money.

But you won't know because you're not interested in exposing yourself to the information.

How incredibly child-like of you.

TheDemonLord

14th February 2017, 16:07

So in other words, the video might well be bang on the money.

Have I said anything to the contrary?

You seem to be having difficulty with me mocking you and me mocking your video.

But you won't know because you're not interested in exposing yourself to the information.

I've given plenty of your videos a fair go - Problem is they are all crap.

Maybe if you didn't cry wolf so often....

How incredibly child-like of you.

Yes - says the person who can't distinguish between someone rebutting a video and someone mocking a person. How Child-like indeed....

husaberg

14th February 2017, 16:08

Are they a series of unconnected coincidences? and have you proof* that they are not?

*proof not to be confused with opinion.

Did Katman answer the question in your post:killingme

Woodman

14th February 2017, 16:41

Did Katman answer the question in your post:killingme

No, but then he is busy getting owned like he did in the vaccination thread a few days back.

husaberg

14th February 2017, 16:49

No, but then he is busy getting owned like he did in the vaccination thread a few days back.

Gee no wonder his Narcisistic ego is going into to hyperdrive, no room for reality in their.

pritch

14th February 2017, 16:54

I assumed that the inference of your post .

I assumed you meant "implication". A commom mistake but one of my pet peeves.

Reading the thread it seems the misuse is endemic. If I may assist?
A speaker (or writer) may imply something. A listener (or reader) may infer something.
It does not work the other way around.

It'd be a shame if this thread was consigned to PD, it's not like Trump and his team of idiots are not giving us plenty to discuss without resorting to swapping insults over an irrelevance.

Katman

14th February 2017, 17:00

I assumed you meant "implication". A commom mistake but one of my pet peeves.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/inference?s=t

You're welcome.

pritch

14th February 2017, 17:27

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/inference?s=t

You're welcome.

You had better read it again. Apparently you don't understand it.

Stylo

14th February 2017, 17:28

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/inference?s=t

You're welcome.

Stop Press, we have a new Hitler with an American accent. Stephen Miller.

Senior advisor to the Trump

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHusZDjesr4

Voltaire

14th February 2017, 18:02

KatFlap

https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder455/54244455.jpg

Katman

14th February 2017, 18:03

You had better read it again. Apparently you don't understand it.

If you're still struggling, refer point #4.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/infer?s=t

bogan

14th February 2017, 18:28

The human propensity for pattern recognition has been suggested as one of the beginnings of religion - we see faces in the landscape - and propose the existence of "other" beings ..

http://www.smh.com.au/cqstatic/1mn3hy/2007%2010%2027%20038%20Face%20in%20cliff%20at%20S% 20end%20of%20Burkes%20Creek%20Road%20reduced%20siz e.jpg

Looks like some big birds in them parts. I didn't know the Vril could fly, but what other explanation could there be.

If you're still struggling, refer point #4.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/infer?s=t

Which is a different word, and describes the passing on of an inference. Pritch's Pet Peeve is upheld, thanks for playing.

Grumph

14th February 2017, 18:42

bogan

14th February 2017, 18:48

Aaaand...back on topic.

National Security Advisor is goneburger. Due to "vulnerabilty to blackmail from Russia"

Ironic as fuck really. Probably less contact with Russia than Trumpski.
But was the real reason, because he lied to Pense ?

Discuss - without bringing in imaginary beings please...

Positive move I think, guy loses his job due to his lack of transparency in his performance of it. One of the key obstacles preventing the trump administration from acknowledging reality is a lack of transparency.

Was it the real reason? who knows, all we (they) can ask for is transparency...

Katman

14th February 2017, 18:58

Which is a different word, and describes the passing on of an inference.

Like TDL's inference?

bogan

14th February 2017, 19:15

Like TDL's inference?

No, the inference would still be of the one doing the passing on. To infer (#4) is to explain one's own inference to others, as per the example in the link you provided.

Katman

14th February 2017, 19:18

No, the inference would still be of the one doing the passing on. To infer (#4) is to explain one's own inference to others, as per the example in the link you provided.

Like TDL passing on his inference?

#4 to hint; imply; suggest

It's there in plain English.

bogan

14th February 2017, 19:34

Like TDL passing on his inference?

#4 to hint; imply; suggest

It's there in plain English.

TDL could infer, his post (to which you referred) cannot infer, much less contain an inference. The interpretation is clear; it is ok to learn something now and then KM, not everything needs to fit in with what you wish it to be. Obviously this is the problem DT has as well; his GDP nonsense, the crowd size and weather at his inauguration, voter fraud, etc.

Perhaps this type of behavior is just symptomatic of access to a plethora of opinions and echo chambers (internet) and a weak mind (placing a higher importance on what one wants to believe, than what is). Here's hoping humanity as a whole can learn to avoid this after examples like President Trump. John Oliver may rub some people the wrong way with his presentation, but in this (and many other cases) he is bang on.

Katman

14th February 2017, 19:37

TDL could infer, his post (to which you referred) cannot infer, much less contain an inference. The interpretation is clear; it is ok to learn something now and then KM, not everything needs to fit in with what you wish it to be.

If you infer something, it is therefore your inference.

Don't blame me - I didn't invent the English language.

Voltaire

14th February 2017, 19:46

Aaaand...back on topic.

National Security Advisor is goneburger. Due to "vulnerabilty to blackmail from Russia"

Ironic as fuck really. Probably less contact with Russia than Trumpski.
But was the real reason, because he lied to Pense ?

Discuss - without bringing in imaginary beings please...

Its going to take them a while to sort themselves out, maybe a night of long lives, bit of kristallnacht, maybe some lebensraum, we have a few years to go.

Katman

14th February 2017, 19:48

....maybe a night of long lives....

Or maybe 'long knives'.

bogan

14th February 2017, 19:54

If you infer something, it is therefore your inference.

Don't blame me - I didn't invent the English language.

Correct. But not applicable to your context.

A handy hint, an inferred meaning comes from the reader/listener, and implied one, from the writer/speaker or written/spoken text. Ie, you inferred an implication from TDLs post.

Katman

14th February 2017, 19:56

Correct. But not applicable to your context.

A handy hint, an inferred meaning comes from the reader/listener, and implied one, from the writer/speaker or written/spoken text. Ie, you inferred an implication from TDLs post.

Not according to point #4.

Like I said - it's there in plain English.

Zedder

14th February 2017, 20:01

Or maybe 'long knives'.

Ok then: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiyGgFV8kik

Grumph

14th February 2017, 20:19

Or maybe 'long knives'.

I'll vote for that...Start you own thread on grammar please. You're setting new records for off topic idiocy.

Voltaire

14th February 2017, 20:20

Or maybe 'long knives'.

bring wives?

Katman

14th February 2017, 20:21

I'll vote for that...Start you own thread on grammar please. You're setting new records for off topic idiocy.

Take a trip back a couple of pages.

Wasn't me that turned it into a grammar thread.

bogan

14th February 2017, 20:30

Not according to point #4.

Like I said - it's there in plain English.

Did you not get as far as the usage note for that case? Sorry, I had forgotten your propensity to stop reading/investigating once you hear what you wish to, and should have asked this question a number of posts ago.

In any case, the usage note example starts with the words "The next speaker..." (see consistency with previous post explaining how speaker can infer, but listener cannot), but perhaps more importantly "Despite its long history, many 20th-century usage guides condemn the use, maintaining that the proper word for the intended sense is imply and that to use infer is to lose a valuable distinction between the two words."

In addition to that, the word you actually used contains no definition of hint/imply/suggest for the word, inference.

So the attempt at shoehorning your own definition through the multiple layers of incorrectness is not upheld, but thanks for playing.

And while this may seem tangential to the thread topic, it is an illustration of how transparency leads to exposing flawed reasoning and poor decision making. Katman could have done like DT and just fobbed off any attempts to 'show his working' to support his conclusion, an thus maintained the semblance of it being a workable one; but was instead considerate enough to outline his reasoning so we could all see its flaws and know the truth of the matter.

Katman

14th February 2017, 20:37

In any case, the usage note example starts with the words "The next speaker..." (see consistency with previous post explaining how speaker can infer, but listener cannot), but perhaps more importantly "Despite its long history, many 20th-century usage guides condemn the use, maintaining that the proper word for the intended sense is imply and that to use infer is to lose a valuable distinction between the two words."

That's right.

And in this instance TDL was the speaker.

Do you get it yet?

Katman

14th February 2017, 20:52

So the attempt at shoehorning your own definition through the multiple layers of incorrectness is not upheld, but thanks for playing.

And I must say your keenness to jump on some wanky little grammar nazi bandwagon, while ignoring the butchery of the English language as displayed by the random capitalisation in TDL's posts and the pigeon English that is berkboy's posts, is really most amusing.

You seem thoroughly fixated on me.

husaberg

14th February 2017, 21:01

Narcissistic rant ...abridged...

You seem thoroughly fixated on me.

Epic:killingme

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/5059d1476bb3f7301c00001d-377-282/donald-trump.jpg
https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrinknp_400_400/p/6/005/09e/2cf/065b7a1.jpg

Voltaire

15th February 2017, 06:00

Gee no wonder his Narcisistic ego is going into to hyperdrive, no room for reality in their.

There.:innocent:

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/e0/68/6d/e0686d47b280022b9f70e2b57ee030b1.jpg

Yep....nothing to add to this thread either.:woohoo:

bogan

15th February 2017, 06:24

And I must say your keenness to jump on some wanky little grammar nazi bandwagon, while ignoring the butchery of the English language as displayed by the random capitalisation in TDL's posts and the pigeon English that is berkboy's posts, is really most amusing.

You seem thoroughly fixated on me.

Your clutch on that straw looks a little weak considering the source of the dictionary definitions... You'll also find TDL doesn't try to defend such grammar errors with poorly applied, twice removed, antiquated english language conventions :whistle:

Anyway, thanks for another exhibit of the information mishandling typical of the Trump administration; 'if you don't like the truth of a message, attack the messenger'.

Trump's widespread condemnation of news sources which check and truthfully represent the facts, and clear favor of those who instead favor hearsay and 'popular' opinion is most worrisome. Where will this end? which source will triumph, alt-facts or truth? It would be nice to think the listeners/readers would infer through the erroneous implications of poor media representation. But when you have Yokels, KMs, and Oldriders posting rubbish without fact checking it at a much higher rate than open minded readers can correct it; it is obvious the masses who fall into neither category are going to be inundated with drivel. Just like Grumph is in this thread at the moment :laugh:

Katman

15th February 2017, 06:28

Are you still butt hurt about being shown to be wrong again?

Brian d marge

15th February 2017, 17:37

As an asset and a shareholder , wheres the white women ....bring me the white women

328614

husaberg

15th February 2017, 18:00

There.:innocent:

:

Youre right, but in keeping with the recent outburst should i rant and rave and spend about 4 pages trying to convince myself i was right.
I understand its now known as "katflapping"
nah:weird:

Virago

15th February 2017, 18:19

Katman

15th February 2017, 18:23

*Pidgin English

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Pigeon+English

You're welcome.

Brian d marge

15th February 2017, 18:35

Capitalisation:
Capitis diminutio maxima

Removes all rights of the being

sent for a divine source

Virago

15th February 2017, 18:50

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Pigeon+English

You're welcome.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English-based_pidgins

http://grammarist.com/homophones/pidgin-vs-pigeon/

oldrider

15th February 2017, 18:57

Meanwhile back in the thread - interesting rambles? - the real business end of the world is the "money" - Trump could be pissing the big ones off! :bye: Really? :corn:

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/pUfz1dFDbu4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/mtbPkcZpZmY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

yokel

15th February 2017, 19:42

Epic:killingme

http://static4.businessinsider.com/image/5059d1476bb3f7301c00001d-377-282/donald-trump.jpg
https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/shrinknp_400_400/p/6/005/09e/2cf/065b7a1.jpg

The man is the leader of the free world.

https://youtu.be/bobp5OHVsWY

husaberg

15th February 2017, 19:54

The man is the leader of the free world.

whoosh
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/992/466/1b2.gif

bogan

15th February 2017, 19:54

The "man" is the "leader" of the "free" world.

Fixed that one for you.

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/8gsGhdZDC-0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

yokel

15th February 2017, 20:08

I see you both have a bad case of NPD, hope use get the help you need.

I bet you dummies think a bipolar drunk woman streaming at Muslim bitches is " racism " and "hate" speech.

Brian d marge

15th February 2017, 20:24

I see you both have a bad case of NPD, hope use get the help you need.

I bet you dummies think a bipolar drunk woman streaming a Muslim bitches is " racism " and "hate" speech.
Is it on you tube?

sent for a divine source

yokel

15th February 2017, 20:28

Is it on you tube?

sent for a divine source

Nope, allover the bipolar 6 o'clock news.

Same bipolar news that screams about Trump.

husaberg

15th February 2017, 20:41

Is it on you tube?

sent for a divine source

https://youtu.be/P4Q0KH3arzY

pritch

15th February 2017, 20:54

Is it on you tube?

The Brit paper "The Independent" has it. Hope she's proud of herself. :whistle:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/new-zealand-woman-megan-walton-assault-muslims-group-video-huntly-auckland-mehpara-khan-a7580061.html

Brian d marge

15th February 2017, 20:59

The Brit paper "The Independent" has it. Hope she's proud of herself.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/new-zealand-woman-megan-walton-assault-muslims-group-video-huntly-auckland-mehpara-khan-a7580061.html
Just highlighting the witisims and vagaries of the unwashed

It's all good

sent for a divine source

Oakie

15th February 2017, 21:35

I bet you dummies think a bipolar drunk woman streaming at Muslim bitches is " racism " and "hate" speech.

Bi-polar only refers to the way those people act, not what they think.
Drunk ... there's a saying in Latin 'in vino, veritas' or 'in wine there is truth' which pretty much means people will say what they're thinking and you'll see their unfiltered thoughts when they're pissed

So yeah, being bi-polar and drunk doesn't change the meaning of what a person is saying. I'm comfy with it being called racism and hate speech.

Brian d marge

15th February 2017, 21:36

Bi-polar only refers to the way those people act, not what they think.
Drunk ... there's a saying in Latin 'in vino, veritas' or 'in wine there is truth' which pretty much means people will say what they're thinking and you'll see their unfiltered thoughts when they're pissed

So yeah, being bi-polar and drunk doesn't change the meaning of what a person is saying. I'm comfy with it being called racism and hate speech.
I'm at least constant

sent for a divine source

Woodman

15th February 2017, 21:41

The man is the leader of the free world.

Who says he is the leader of the free world?
Why is he the leader of the free world?
is the world free?

Brian d marge

15th February 2017, 21:52

Who says he is the leader of the free world?
Why is he the leader of the free world?
is the world free?
Cause he know the rules and us dumb FK's don't
Who knew that must and may ,have the same meaning.... "Not I" cried the little pig
But they do ....

sent for a divine source

yokel

16th February 2017, 06:08

pzkpfw

16th February 2017, 07:00

FFS, Muslims are not a race. ...

Meh. That's a common, and weak objection.

For many people, culture/race/religion are pretty well intertwined, "racism"/"racist" is close enough in this case.

Besides, what would you call it, if not that?

(
Dunno about you, but when I see people object on the basis of this technicality, they're usually not offering an alternate term; because they are an "???ist" and don't think it was "???ism" in the first place.
)

TheDemonLord

16th February 2017, 09:13

Meh. That's a common, and weak objection.

For many people, culture/race/religion are pretty well intertwined, "racism"/"racist" is close enough in this case.

Besides, what would you call it, if not that?

(
Dunno about you, but when I see people object on the basis of this technicality, they're usually not offering an alternate term; because they are an "???ist" and don't think it was "???ism" in the first place.
)

You can stop being a Muslim anytime you like (except in Muslim countries - cause you know - punishable by Death... that should be a hint), You can't stop being a Kiwi, you can try to embrace another culture.

Religion is not a Race.

As for what I'd call it:

I call it "Not wanting Theorcratic, Barbaric mysoginists who want to enforce their own backwards set of religious law from the middle ages, written by a Pedophile terrorist migrating to places where I or my family is currently residing"

Voltaire

16th February 2017, 10:00

You can stop being a Muslim anytime you like (except in Muslim countries - cause you know - punishable by Death... that should be a hint), You can't stop being a Kiwi, you can try to embrace another culture.

Religion is not a Race.

As for what I'd call it:

I call it "Not wanting Theorcratic, Barbaric mysoginists who want to enforce their own backwards set of religious law from the middle ages, written by a Pedophile terrorist migrating to places where I or my family is currently residing"

Kiwi is a race now?:lol:
I've got two passports, does that mean I'm mixed race?

Katman

16th February 2017, 10:10

Religion is not a Race.

Perhaps you could try explaining that to bogan and berkboy.

yokel

16th February 2017, 10:51

You can stop being a Muslim anytime you like (except in Muslim countries - cause you know - punishable by Death... that should be a hint), You can't stop being a Kiwi, you can try to embrace another culture.

Religion is not a Race.

As for what I'd call it:

I call it "Not wanting Theorcratic, Barbaric mysoginists who want to enforce their own backwards set of religious law from the middle ages, written by a Pedophile terrorist migrating to places where I or my family is currently residing"

You know the one thing I like about Muslims is how they keep the bitches in check.

https://youtu.be/-j4tvsmvXmU

Katman

16th February 2017, 10:59

You know the one thing I like about Muslims is how they keep the bitches in check.

Why is it that a large number of the presenters in the videos you post, regardless of the validity (or otherwise) of what they may be presenting, manage to come across as sounding more retarded than berkboy, TDL and bogan put together?

yokel

16th February 2017, 11:20

Why is it that a large number of the presenters in the videos you post, regardless of the validity (or otherwise) of what they may be presenting, manage to come across as sounding more retarded than berkboy, TDL and bogan put together?

If you want to listen to some swish overpaid TV talking head?
Then go do that.
Information is information, I don't care how pitchy it might sound.

oldrider

16th February 2017, 11:27

Kiwi is a race now?:lol:
I've got two passports, does that mean I'm mixed race?

No - it just means you are officially bi-! (whatever?) :scratch:

Katman

16th February 2017, 11:28

If you want to listen to some swish overpaid TV talking head?
Then go do that.

Dude, it's me you're talking to.

Since when have I ever given the impression that I pay any attention to "swish overpaid TV talking heads"?

Virago

16th February 2017, 11:31

Why is it that a large number of the presenters in the videos you post, regardless of the validity (or otherwise) of what they may be presenting, manage to come across as sounding more retarded than berkboy, TDL and bogan put together?

I made it as far as 40 seconds on that one. There are some youtube videos which don't bear watching, and Yokel never fails to reach the bottom of the barrel.

pritch

16th February 2017, 12:01

Information is information,

The word "information" is a yuuuge exaggeration for most of the unhinged bollocks that you post.

Katman

16th February 2017, 12:05

....yuuuge....

No such word.

pritch

16th February 2017, 12:13

No such word.

You know that and I know that, but it's a Trump special and as such appeals bigly.

Aren't you supposed to be working?

Katman

16th February 2017, 12:17

Aren't you supposed to be working?

Yes Massa.

TheDemonLord

16th February 2017, 12:18

pritch

16th February 2017, 12:21

Brian d marge

16th February 2017, 12:34

Let's sing the chorus together......
https://youtu.be/V2XECpwhp8o

sent for a divine source

Voltaire

16th February 2017, 12:34

No such word.

He rote it, you undastoud its meening, theirfour itz a werd.

Katman

16th February 2017, 13:29

It's funny to see that the same playbook is being used - kinda show how it's thrown out without any thought to the actual position or opinion of the opponent....

Not the same playbook at all.

The video that oldrider posted the other day was presented in a perfectly rational and intelligent manner.

You just refused to watch it in case it didn't fit your agenda.

TheDemonLord

16th February 2017, 13:48

Not the same playbook at all.

It really is.

That you don't see it, is even more hilarious.

It really says something about the Conpiracists powers of 'observation'

The video that oldrider posted the other day was presented in a perfectly rational and intelligent manner.

You just refused to watch it in case it didn't fit your agenda.

So, you are still butt-hurt about that Video and your inability to distinguish my actual criticism of you and my non-existent critique of a Video that I never mentioned.

Katman

16th February 2017, 13:52

It really is.

That you don't see it, is even more hilarious.

It really says something about the Conpiracists powers of 'observation'

How can it be the same?

On one hand you've a got a video presented by a fucking moron who sounds even more autistic than you do and on the other hand you have a very well researched and intelligently presented video.

That you can't distinguish the difference between them is simply down to the fact that you haven't watched either of them.

TheDemonLord

16th February 2017, 16:11

How can it be the same?

On one hand you've a got a video presented by a fucking moron who sounds even more autistic than you do and on the other hand you have a very well researched and intelligently presented video.

That you can't distinguish a difference between them is simply down to the fact that you haven't watched either of them.

You've missed the point entirely (and not surprisingly either).

It's got nothing to do with any videos (seriously, your raging obsession with videos I haven't mentioned is bordering on a mental illness) - what it DOES have to do with is your reaction to them.

To spell it out for you:

You post some inane crap (and claim it's good) and on the rare occasion I watch it and point out it is crap, you immediately jump to something along the lines of "sheeple", "Brainwashed by the MSM" or some other such nonesense.

Yokel posts some inane crap (and also claims it's good) and on this occasion you watch it and point out it is crap, Yokel immediately jumps to "If you want to listen to some swish overpaid TV talking head?"

And to top it all off, your complete lack of self-awareness is mind bogglingly hilarious.

Woodman

16th February 2017, 16:45

You've missed the point entirely (and not surprisingly either).

It's got nothing to do with any videos (seriously, your raging obsession with videos I haven't mentioned is bordering on a mental illness) - what it DOES have to do with is your reaction to them.

To spell it out for you:

You post some inane crap (and claim it's good) and on the rare occasion I watch it and point out it is crap, you immediately jump to something along the lines of "sheeple", "Brainwashed by the MSM" or some other such nonesense.

Yokel posts some inane crap (and also claims it's good) and on this occasion you watch it and point out it is crap, Yokel immediately jumps to "If you want to listen to some swish overpaid TV talking head?"

And to top it all off, your complete lack of self-awareness is mind bogglingly hilarious.

Maybe katman has autism

yokel

16th February 2017, 16:55

Dude, it's me you're talking to.

Since when have I ever given the impression that I pay any attention to "swish overpaid TV talking heads"?

So you like professionally produced looking content.
Fair enough,

I'm quite interested in what random people have to say.
As well as professional type stuff.

The video is just a dude taking the piss out of feminists and Muslims.

yokel

16th February 2017, 16:57

yokel

16th February 2017, 17:12

There developed a pattern of psychology and psychiatric professionals diagnosing public figures from afar. This was not considered professional and the responsible bodies counselled that it should stop. Trump's behaviour though has caused the dam to break, this letter to the NY Times in response is a masterpiece.

Well that started off OK then turned into a load of stupid.

The only ones attacking democracy are the sore losers on the left.

The people have soundly rejected the MSM bullshit.
And they're quite upset about it.

We can now go back to two genders yay!

https://youtu.be/SB9vS9rqk18

Katman

16th February 2017, 17:44

So you like professionally produced looking.

It's not so much 'professionally produced' that I'm looking for but if a subject matter is to be taken seriously then it should be presented seriously.

Maniacal forced laughter (a la Mark Dice) comes across as nothing short of retarded.

bogan

16th February 2017, 17:49

Perhaps you could try explaining that to bogan and berkboy.

Why is it that a large number of the presenters in the videos you post, regardless of the validity (or otherwise) of what they may be presenting, manage to come across as sounding more retarded than berkboy, TDL and bogan put together?

Something something thorough fixation on someone? FYI, I am aware of the semantic difference between race and religion; in practical terms, and as a defense for bigotry however, there's fuck all.

Not the same playbook at all.

The video that oldrider posted the other day was presented in a perfectly rational and intelligent manner.

You just refused to watch it in case it didn't fit your agenda.

I got 5mins, to which specific video do you refer?

Grumph

16th February 2017, 18:56

Brian d marge

16th February 2017, 19:03

Aaand back on topic....Trumps public love in with the Israeli PM will be viewed with disbelief in Palestine...or maybe not.

It'll be interesting to see what a desperate Palestine with no apparent friends and nothing to lose will do...
Palestine has lots of friends , those that know the truth ,
Trouble is they reckon the place will be wiped out in a few years time ,
Genocide by stealth ....

sent for a divine source

Brian d marge

16th February 2017, 19:08

Well that started off OK then turned into a load of stupid.

The only ones attacking democracy are the sore losers on the left.

The people have soundly rejected the MSM bullshit.
And they're quite upset about it.

We can now go back to two genders yay!

https://youtu.be/SB9vS9rqk18
Have u been to Pattaya? Do we have to go back to only 2?

I mean we are so spoilt for choice now , so many toilets ,men women, cripples ,and chics with dicks ...

All for two dollars..😀

sent for a divine source

Brian d marge

16th February 2017, 19:14

One of the better ones
https://youtu.be/4HvCRM2xjjY

sent for a divine source

Katman

16th February 2017, 19:15

Genocide by stealth ....

It's not even by stealth.

Israel are openly thumbing their nose at the international community.

Brian d marge

16th February 2017, 19:26

It's not even by stealth.

Israel are openly thumbing their nose at the international community.
And your mother smells of elderberries

sent for a divine source

bogan

16th February 2017, 19:43

Aaand back on topic....Trumps public love in with the Israeli PM will be viewed with disbelief in Palestine...or maybe not.

It'll be interesting to see what a desperate Palestine with no apparent friends and nothing to lose will do...

Israel has a much stronger economy, an up and coming tech industry, and political system much more similar to the U.S. It is no wonder Trump and other presidents see them as a stronger/more important power.

I rather think Palestine will not deign to play by the rules of the western sandpit; but while what they do could be terrifying for many it would ultimately be self destructive. Regardless of how it may have occurred, Israel has an international mandate for the current borders, Palestine has no viable short term (and not likely in mid or long term) options to change that.

husaberg

16th February 2017, 19:50

It's not even by stealth.

Israel are openly thumbing their nose at the international community.

As does Japan, China, Norway, Russia, US and many other countries on a daily basis.
Whats the difference, why no repeated condemnation from you regarding their international nose thumbing;)

Katman

16th February 2017, 19:51

Israel has a much stronger economy, an up and coming tech industry, and political system much more similar to the U.S.

3 billion U.S. dollars per year can buy a lot of that sort of thing.

yokel

16th February 2017, 20:01

It's not so much 'professionally produced' that I'm looking for but if a subject matter is to be taken seriously then it should be presented seriously.

Maniacal forced laughter (a la Mark Dice) comes across as nothing short of retarded.

It's just a bit ridicule for fun.
This has much less laughter, am I getting wormer?

I'm not going to say pizzagate is real, but it probably is.

https://youtu.be/6Rd0cEhZLkM

bogan

16th February 2017, 20:02

3 billion U.S. dollars per year can buy a lot of that sort of thing.

If you refer to the military aid contract, it cannot buy much of any of those things, especially not the political system, which is arguably the most important. For obvious reasons the military aid deal restricts the spend on local products. And the total aid is around 1% their GDP. Their tech industry also encompasses a far wider range than just those of military use.

pritch

16th February 2017, 20:05

Israel has an international mandate for the current borders

The settlements they have been building for years are not within the recognised borders and have been rightly declared illegal by the UN.

Trump's Middle East Envoy, his Jewish son in law Kirshner, is from a family that have been investing in new settlements for years so there wouldn't seem to be a lot of hope for peace there. More like a recruiting tool for Daesh or whoever.

Katman

16th February 2017, 20:06

Israel is steadily bleeding America dry and the Yanks are too stupid to realise it.

Brian d marge

16th February 2017, 20:15

As does Japan, China, Norway, Russia, US and many other countries on a daily basis.
Whats the difference, why no repeated condemnation from you regarding their international nose thumbing;)
Japan is the biggest dodgiest slimebucket that ever existed

It makes, the garage car sales

Forest Road
Walthamstow
London
E17
Look positively saintly ......

sent for a divine source

husaberg

16th February 2017, 20:29

The settlements they have been building for years are not within the recognised borders and have been rightly declared illegal by the UN.

.

True and while I don't agree with the settlements. The Palestinians don't recognise Israel’s borders at all, so why must Israel recognise Palestine’s borders?
Also remember those areas never taken not from Palestine but actually taken from the people who actually invaded and took them from Palestine in a series of wars.
Remember Transjorden annexed huge areas of Palestine as their own.
I see the settlement as being a means to get Palestine to formally recognise Israel. But Palestine are too short sighted to ever do that.
They don't seem to want peace they want something else.

Japan is the biggest dodgiest slimebucket that ever existed

It makes, the garage car sales

Forest Road
Walthamstow
London
E17
Look positively saintly ......

sent for a divine source

I was thinking more whales than Wales.

Brian d marge

16th February 2017, 20:34

I was thinking more whales than Wales.

Oh they are tasty , almost as good as bacon

Almost

sent for a divine source

Katman

16th February 2017, 20:38

They don't seem to want peace they want something else.

So do Israel - and it stretches from the Nile to the Euphrates.

bogan

16th February 2017, 20:48

The settlements they have been building for years are not within the recognised borders and have been rightly declared illegal by the UN.

Trump's Middle East Envoy, his Jewish son in law Kirshner, is from a family that have been investing in new settlements for years so there wouldn't seem to be a lot of hope for peace there. More like a recruiting tool for Daesh or whoever.

I think we can all (or at least mostly) agree with those declarations. But even if the settlements were removed or replaced, Palestine is still a distant second for 'usefulness' to america. The borders make a war of conquest untenable, while a war could be fought to remove the settlements, backlash for the likely civilian casualties would be huge, and the practical achievements minimal.

husaberg

16th February 2017, 20:49

So do Israel - and it stretches from the Nile to the Euphrates.

If that is true rather than just a Katman conspiracy, Then please explain why did they give up so much land back to Egypt and to Jordan?
You really need to learn what is a fact. Before you open your gob again.

Oh they are tasty , almost as good as bacon

Almost

sent for a divine source
BS its bland, Dolphin steaks are where its at.

Brian d marge

16th February 2017, 20:51

So do Israel - and it stretches from the Nile to the Euphrates.
Not near my computer, but I have a doc that shows a greater ISIS RA EL

sent for a divine source

Katman

16th February 2017, 21:09

If that is true rather than just a Katman conspiracy, Then please explain why did they give up so much land back to Egypt and to Jordan.
You really need to learn what is a fact. Before you open your gob again.

Shit doesn't always go their way.

We've seen that recently in Syria.

husaberg

16th February 2017, 21:22

Shit doesn't always go their way.

We've seen that recently in Syria.

So you are wrong again and that’s your narcissistic way of trying to weasel out of it. Maybe you should spend the next three pages trying to make yourself believe that you are actually right.
Ps nice attempt to change reference frames.:msn-wink:

Lets stick to what you tried to pass off as a fact

They don't seem to want peace they want something else.

So do Israel - and it stretches from the Nile to the Euphrates.

If that is true rather than just a Katman conspiracy, Then please explain why did they give up so much land back to Egypt and to Jordan?

oldrider

17th February 2017, 04:41

An Eyewitness Account About How Israel Has Constructed a Humanitarian Crisis in Gaza
by grtv

The following is a December 7, 2013 interview with Eva Bartlett conducted by Mike McCormick on the radio show Mind Over Matters (KEXP 90.3 FM, Seattle).

In the interview Bartlett gives an eyewitness account about the Israeli military occupation of Palestine, the Israeli wars on the Palestinians and how the Israeli government has deliberately created a humanitarian crisis in the Gaza Strip.

Eva Bartlett has been touring North America talking about her experience in both the West Bank and Gaza. To see a list of her speaking events or to contact her to arrange for her to speak about her eyewitness accounts about Palestine visit her personal webpage, InGaza.Wordpress.com. - Interesting. :corn:

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Katman

17th February 2017, 08:52

Katman

17th February 2017, 10:02

oldrider

17th February 2017, 10:59

It's been well reported that America had plans as far back as 15 years ago to create massive destabilisation in the Middle East. General Wesley Clark spelled that out in words of one syllable.

The events that have happened over the last 15 years (and indeed back beyond that) start to make a whole lot of sense when considered in the context of a plan for a Greater Israel.

Interested parties seem most anxious that the USA get on and complete the job of destabilising the middle east by destroying Iran asap! :bash::2guns::ar15:

It's as if Obama and Clinton took too long in getting the job done and got behind schedule and so got fired for their failure and tardiness! :kick:

Who best to suddenly replace them and play catchup? - out of the blue comes the Donald! - expressing absolute total love and loyalty to Israel at AIPAC etc.

President Donald Trump! - America first? - (well maybe just a little bit after Israel :shifty:)

Tailor-made for the job, brimming with attitude, totally against Iran and with an itchy trigger finger to boot - things could be back on track again real soon!

Ever heard of a motto like this before? "By deception make war"! - could America have been deceived - once again? :scratch:

Begs the question - at the end of the day who really does benefit? :rolleyes:

pritch

17th February 2017, 16:24

Why liberals are wrong about Trump:

https://medium.com/@justaride/why-liberals-are-wrong-about-trump-c865b12c72a7#.4xr68x652

bogan

17th February 2017, 16:50

Judging by his rantings at the press conference today, it can't be too long before he goes off the rails. To see this type of person have actual power, is really bringing to the surface the pervasive illogic present in many different parts of society; I hope it is an example we can learn from, and that the lesson is not too costly.

Why liberals are wrong about Trump:

https://medium.com/@justaride/why-liberals-are-wrong-about-trump-c865b12c72a7#.4xr68x652

:laugh: Think that one (or similar) has popped up before.

Consider for a moment, the Israeli flag.

Now I know all the books will tell you that the blue stripes are representative of a tallit prayer shawl, but all the pictures of the prayer shawl that I've found show multiple blue lines of varying thickness.

Then consider that there has also been the suggestion that they're symbolic of the two rivers that the Bible states as the borders of the Promised Land.

http://nojeveje.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/CsSWYUDW8AASTAh.jpg

And the star is made up of illuminati triangles, and the white must signify racial puritanism, and the star looks kind of similar to the armband hitler made the jews wear, ergo, hitler led vril illuminati want to steal the rivers around israel to make rain in the earths core :rolleyes:

Katman

17th February 2017, 16:53

And the star is made up of illuminati triangles, and the white must signify racial puritanism, and the star looks kind of similar to the armband hitler made the jews wear, ergo, hitler led vril illuminati want to steal the rivers around israel to make rain in the earths core :rolleyes:

I expected nothing more from you.

Perhaps you also think they commissioned a bunch of 5 year olds to design the flag.

husaberg

17th February 2017, 17:18

Consider for a moment, the Israeli flag.

Now I know all the books will tell you that the blue stripes are representative of a tallit prayer shawl, but all the pictures of the prayer shawl that I've found show multiple blue lines of varying thickness.

Then consider that there has also been the suggestion that they're symbolic of the two rivers that the Bible states as the borders of the Promised Land.

http://nojeveje.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/CsSWYUDW8AASTAh.jpg

Yeah Katman and the New Zealand flag might be mainly blue because the tory party wanted to subconsciously remind us all to vote for them.
The stars are likely a symbol to remind us that we must worship the Hollywood stars that as yokel told us, shapeshifting aliens working with the illuminati:not:

So how are you getting on with the question.

They don't seem to want peace they want something else.

So do Israel - and it stretches from the Nile to the Euphrates.

If that is true rather than just a Katman conspiracy, Then please explain why did they give up so much land back to Egypt and to Jordan?

Katman

17th February 2017, 17:24

Yeah Katman and the New Zealand flag might be mainly blue because the tory party wanted to subconsciously remind us all to vote for them.
The stars are likely a symbol to remind us that we must worship the Hollywood stars that as yokel told us, shapeshifting aliens working with the illuminati.

Sounds like you're another one who thinks 5 year olds design flags.

bogan

17th February 2017, 17:29

I expected nothing more from you.

Perhaps you also think they commissioned a bunch of 5 year olds to design the flag.

What exactly is your angle with it though, clearly all you have is coincidence to a theory made to fit said coincidence, with no corroborating evidence at all. What sort of point could you hope to make with that sort of illogic?

Why would I care who designed it? It's clearly a pretty good flag design so full credit to the 5 year olds if they came up with that.

husaberg

17th February 2017, 17:31

Sounds like you're another one who thinks 5 year olds design flags.

Sounds like you are still avoiding the questions

They don't seem to want peace they want something else.

So do Israel - and it stretches from the Nile to the Euphrates.

If that is true rather than just a Katman conspiracy, Then please explain why did they give up so much land back to Egypt and to Jordan?

So you are wrong again and that’s your narcissistic way of trying to weasel out of it. Maybe you should spend the next three pages trying to make yourself believe that you are actually right.
Ps nice attempt to change reference frames.:msn-wink:
Lets stick to what you tried to pass off as a fact

So how are you getting on with the question.

Katman

17th February 2017, 17:33

What exactly is your angle with it though, clearly all you have is coincidence to a theory made to fit said coincidence, with no corroborating evidence at all. What sort of point could you hope to make with that sort of illogic?

Why would I care who designed it? It's clearly a pretty good flag design so full credit to the 5 year olds if they came up with that.

It's simply an idea that is worthy of consideration.

That you're not interested in doing so is no surprise.

Katman

17th February 2017, 17:35

Sounds like you are still avoiding the questions

I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

Why would I bother to even consider your questions?

bogan

17th February 2017, 17:56

It's simply an idea that is worthy of consideration.

That you're not interested in doing so is no surprise.

To be worthy of consideration it would need some corroborating evidence. That is how logic and reason work. We've seen trump and other's manipulate voters by offering shiny theories to be 'considered' which are completely unsubstantiated; as citizens in a democracy we must be smart enough not to waste time on baseless theory. You should be smart enough to focus on the illegality of Israel's settlements and their disruption of the Palestinian economy instead of some bullshit theory about their flag design.

husaberg

17th February 2017, 18:22

I wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire.

Why would I bother to even consider your questions?

You clearly can't answer the question, As the actual facts very clearly don't support what you said. Its very simple, much like you.

So do Israel - and it stretches from the Nile to the Euphrates.

If that is true rather than just a Katman conspiracy, Then please explain why did they give up so much land back to Egypt and to Jordan?

Katman

17th February 2017, 18:32

To be worthy of consideration it would need some corroborating evidence.

There's plenty of corroborating evidence.

You just choose not to view it.

bogan

17th February 2017, 18:35

There's plenty of corroborating evidence.

You just choose not to view it.

As may be, but why do you choose not to provide it? As citizens in a democracy we must also be smart enough to provide the information required for other citizens to make rational choices.

Katman

17th February 2017, 18:56

bogan

17th February 2017, 19:05

Why do you choose to be spoon fed?

It is not spoon feeding, it is simply efficient information handling; and it avoids trolls wasting time. You claim there is corroborating evidence, I suspect there is none, and that it is a waste of time investigating it. So for you to with-hold such evidence is illogical, and runs contrary to an informed democracy.

Grumph

17th February 2017, 19:07

As may be, but why do you choose not to provide it? As citizens in a democracy we must also be smart enough to provide the information required for other citizens to make rational choices.

Trump obviously disagrees with you. Over an hour today of saying how he's enjoying himself in front of the lying media and how he doesn't have to say anything...
I could almost hear yokel cheering in the background.

bogan

17th February 2017, 19:53

Trump obviously disagrees with you. Over an hour today of saying how he's enjoying himself in front of the lying media and how he doesn't have to say anything...
I could almost hear yokel cheering in the background.

Indeed, which I why I say trump is not the product of a smart and rational democracy; and hope that he is the wake-up call the US needs to once again become one.

Brian d marge

17th February 2017, 20:00

I would forget Trump .. look behind and see the influence on him

Trump is the least of ur worries

Started looking at the words used by " officials" to see who and whom controls , yes ,totally controls you

Think you are a person , think again....

Nothing but an object to be used as such ....

sent for a divine source

Katman

17th February 2017, 20:20

It is not spoon feeding, it is simply efficient information handling; and it avoids trolls wasting time. You claim there is corroborating evidence, I suspect there is none, and that it is a waste of time investigating it. So for you to with-hold such evidence is illogical, and runs contrary to an informed democracy.

Why should I tell you what to believe?

Make your own mind up.

bogan

17th February 2017, 20:34

Why should I tell you what to believe?

Make your own mind up.

If by tell, you mean show (tell is characterized by an absence of corroborating evidence, show is characterized by its provision); the answer would be to effect positive change.

Grumph

18th February 2017, 06:20

If by tell, you mean show (tell is characterized by an absence of corroborating evidence, show is characterized by its provision); the answer would be to effect positive change.

On that criteria. it's apparent Katman is "totally wired" wrong.......

bogan

18th February 2017, 07:43

An entertaining summary of the press conference.

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Katman

18th February 2017, 08:13

If by tell, you mean show (tell is characterized by an absence of corroborating evidence, show is characterized by its provision); the answer would be to effect positive change.

Read the Oded Yinon Plan.

If you thought I meant evidence to corroborate the significance of the stripes on the flag then we obviously had crossed wires.

I was very clear in calling it merely a "suggestion" - and one that I think is worth considering whether there is any substance in. (In the light of the 'corroborating evidence' of plans for a Greater Israel).

husaberg

18th February 2017, 08:20

On that criteria. it's apparent Katman is "totally wired" wrong.......

Hes just going through a phase, with a bit of luck he will come back down to earth.

pritch

18th February 2017, 08:39

oldrider

18th February 2017, 09:44

Overnight our time there was a disturbing thread on the ability of the current Whitehouse to deal with a disaster. Disasters or pandemics occur during most presidencies: AIDS, bird flu, Katrina, Ebola, whatever. Such a threat requires the coordination of a considerable number of government departments and depends on timely and accurate decisions and reliable announcements from the Whitehouse.

One of the guys who headed the ebola response under Obama outlined what is required but is concerned that the current chaotic bullshit artists (my words not his) could not handle such an emergency. And I don't think he even referenced the fact that so many important government positions remain unfilled.

You have to laugh at Trump otherwise the stress levels would be through the roof.

First they gave us the (Google) driver less car now they have given us the driver less country! - Google or some such unknown derivative is in control!

The world is being taken for a ride on auto pilot - definitely "not" out of control - the world simply does not know who or what "is" in control!

Donald will most probably be dispensed with by way of self destruction and cast off into some cosy lunatic asylum for the rest of his life! :rolleyes:

Sit back and watch the show unfolding around you - we in NZ have some of the best seats - at least we can be thankful for that! :drinknsin

Grumph

18th February 2017, 10:54

The old saying "Distance lends enchantment to the view" might apply in that we don't get the smell....

Still not a pleasant view.

oldrider

18th February 2017, 14:51

Nothing changes in Gaza and Western media just do not want to know - or at least do not want the world to know about it! :oi-grr:

This clip was Published on 31 Jul 2014

"After a United Nations-run school sheltering more than 3,000 Palestinians was shelled early Wednesday, UN official Chris Gunness could not contain his grief while on camera with Al Jazeera Arabic.

But still here in 2017 nothing has really changed for Gaza and the new president of the USA simply loves Israel and thinks the sun shines out of Benjamin Netanyahu's bum - what chance for positive change for Gaza? :scratch:

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/vsDyxnJxbkc" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

And then consider this and the current political situation!

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husaberg

18th February 2017, 17:10

Nothing changes in Gaza and Western media just do not want to know - or at least do not want the world to know about it! :oi-grr:

This clip was Published on 31 Jul 2014

"After a United Nations-run school sheltering more than 3,000 Palestinians was shelled early Wednesday, UN official Chris Gunness could not contain his grief while on camera with Al Jazeera Arabic.

But still here in 2017 nothing has really changed for Gaza and the new president of the USA simply loves Israel and thinks the sun shines out of Benjamin Netanyahu's bum - what chance for positive change for Gaza? :scratch:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2753176/Hamas-DID-use-schools-hospitals-Gaza-Strip-human-shields-launch-rocket-attacks-Israel-admits-says-mistake.html
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/09/12/1410508620000_Image_galleryImage_This_combination_ of_undat.JPG

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GWQQFJXMrg4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i3c5uWIDBXY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8O9AHzUKYk8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vHDyuSTneA

pritch

18th February 2017, 18:04

the new president of the USA simply loves Israel and thinks the sun shines out of Benjamin Netanyahu's bum -

Except on TV Trump referred to BiBi as "Betanyahu".

oldrider

18th February 2017, 18:26

[QUOTE=husaberg;1131031046]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2753176/Hamas-DID-use-schools-hospitals-Gaza-Strip-human-shields-launch-rocket-attacks-Israel-admits-says-mistake.html/QUOTE]

Gee whiz nobody in the Western world ever saw any of that footage - three big cheers for the KB shill for enlightening us! :niceone: . :blip:

Stylo

18th February 2017, 18:38

First they gave us the (Google) driver less car now they have given us the driver less country! - Google or some such unknown derivative is in control!

The world is being taken for a ride on auto pilot - definitely "not" out of control - the world simply does not know who or what "is" in control!

Donald will most probably be dispensed with by way of self destruction and cast off into some cosy lunatic asylum for the rest of his life! :rolleyes:

Sit back and watch the show unfolding around you - we in NZ have some of the best seats - at least we can be thankful for that! :drinknsin

Knowing no-one is in control of the USA is as scary as shit.

Trump is in the Pilot seat but he has no idea what all those buttons mean, would you want to be a pasenger ?

husaberg

18th February 2017, 19:00

Gee whiz nobody in the Western world ever saw any of that footage - three big cheers for the KB shill for enlightening us! :niceone: . :blip:

Intersting seeing as you posted two clips from the young Turks, which are a western media channel, you total cretin.:laugh:

oldrider

18th February 2017, 19:21

Interesting (and entertaining) redacted: The real reason USA needs to save the world from Iran the "aggressor nation of the East"! :corn:

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/65_GcK0g_VU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

husaberg

18th February 2017, 19:44

Interesting (and entertaining) redacted: The real reason USA needs to save the world from Iran the "aggressor nation of the East"! :corn:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/65_GcK0g_VU

I picking you don't know that redacted tonight is satirical news program and that Lee Camp is a comedian.:lol:

For more than two years, Lee Camp has hosted RT’s satiric weekly “Redacted Tonight.” It’s a show in the spirit of Jon Stewart’s “The Daily Show.” That means punchy comedic riffs, plus displays of outrage, news clips and crudely photoshopped collages. Camp’s own style is dense and preachy, and he expresses himself in a flat, nasal shout.

Grumph

18th February 2017, 19:48

Interesting (and entertaining) redacted: The real reason USA needs to save the world from Iran the "aggressor nation of the East"! :corn:

Well according to Yokels opposite number on an American site, the Mossad has pedophile evidence on most senior US politicians and journalists....

Strangely Trump seems to be the exception. He will cleanse the CIA (also containing pedophiles...) and the politicians too. This is said to be why his own party hate him, he will expose them too....

We do seem to be living in an alternative reality.

National Security Advisor score - one out, one declined to bat.....

oldrider

18th February 2017, 20:05

I picking you don't know that redacted tonight is satirical news program and that Lee Camp is a comedian.:lol:

Err hello clever Dick - go back and read what you quoted from me - it said "and entertaining" - stop and read stuff before jumping to conclusions FFS! :tugger:

husaberg

18th February 2017, 20:32

Err hello clever Dick - go back and read what you quoted from me - it said "and entertaining" - stop and read stuff before jumping to conclusions FFS! :tugger:

Yeah sure whatever:yawn:

The real reason USA needs to save the world from Iran the "aggressor nation of the East"!

Katman

19th February 2017, 08:02

I picking you don't know that redacted tonight is satirical news program and that Lee Camp is a comedian.:lol:

I'm picking you didn't understand anything that was said in the video.

husaberg

19th February 2017, 09:08

I'm picking you didn't understand anything that was said in the video.

Hardy surprising, considering you constantly display a complete inability to follow a logical thought process.
Seeing as you believe you are so clever, summarise the evidence presented in the video clip that backs up the assertions made then?

pritch

19th February 2017, 09:44

National Security Advisor score - one out, one declined to bat.....

More than one declined now - and climbing. Petraeus and another wanted to bring their own top people with them, they were told no. They then said, "No thanks".

Petraeus would have been an unusual choice, considered capable but sacked by Obama for speaking out of turn, he then gave state secrets to his mistress presumably to impress her. I think he is still on probation for the latter.

Katman

19th February 2017, 10:26

Hardy surprising, considering you constantly display a complete inability to follow a logical thought process.
Seeing as you believe you are so clever, summarise the evidence presented in the video clip that backs up the assertions made then.

Do you even know the difference between satire and straight out comedy?

husaberg

19th February 2017, 11:14

Do you even know the difference between satire and straight out comedy?
http://gawker.com/5593408/the-onion-video-satire-that-fooled-conspiracy-theorists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWfKdKWJEkM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aotlEpmAFVQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AEMl06leKY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0ndz20w2Oc
That again would be another example of you avoiding the questions asked of you.:lol:

oldrider

19th February 2017, 11:59

Trump appears to have himself a nest of vipers to work on with for or against! - Take your pick!

Reminds me of a two peaked hat I saw once that said - I am their leader - which way did they go? :scratch:

Watched this clip out of curiosity - interesting! :corn:

<iframe width="640" height="360" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/JPYUWx0XyzU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Grumph

19th February 2017, 12:46

husaberg

19th February 2017, 12:48

I expected Yokel to be the first to post those links. There's a hell of a lot more around saying much the same thing including allegations that the Californian state version of our CYFS is handing children over to pedophiles. And as i said last page, the Mossad has all the names and is blackmailing everyone....except Trump....

Both right and left leaning Americans on another forum I watch are saying fantasies...

As i said before, we seem to be living in an alternative world...

That link Yokel posted was also mainly about human trafficking ie the selling of people.
I firmly doubt he fully appreciated the irony of it.

I'm going for Asian flavor, specifically Cambodian.
As soon as Immigration give the ok I'll be going back over to get her.

pritch

19th February 2017, 13:47

There's a hell of a lot more around saying much the same thing including allegations that the Californian state version of our CYFS is handing children over to pedophiles.

Truth is stranger than fiction. In Britain child protection services are run by local councils rather than by central government. Like NZ they have homes for kids that are unable to live with their family for whatever reason. They decided to privatise these homes and the running of them was handed over to corporations.

Unsurprisingly corporations exist to make a profit, so they puchased properties in the parts of town where real estate was cheapest and put the kids there. The cheapest part of town will rarely be the best, more likely it's the high crime part of town - and so it transpired.

Just be aware that if you hear some numb nut politician espousing privatisation of child care facilities that it's a really stupid idea.

There's a ton of stuff on the 'Net about Rotherham and the useless South Yorkshire Police, although I expect the SY Police can be excused because they were still busy covering up their part in the Hillsborough disaster. :whistle:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal

Stylo

19th February 2017, 16:12

Funny that there are now ads for flatmates ( room mates) in the US asking that smokers , pet-owners and ... Trump supporters need not apply.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcQXNrmpwgo

Brian d marge

19th February 2017, 17:45

Truth is stranger than fiction. In Britain child protection services are run by local councils rather than by central government. Like NZ they have homes for kids that are unable to live with their family for whatever reason. They decided to privatise these homes and the running of them was handed over to corporations.

Unsurprisingly corporations exist to make a profit, so they puchased properties in the parts of town where real estate was cheapest and put the kids there. The cheapest part of town will rarely be the best, more likely it's the high crime part of town - and so it transpired.

Just be aware that if you hear some numb nut politician espousing privatisation of child care facilities that it's a really stupid idea.

There's a ton of stuff on the 'Net about Rotherham and the useless South Yorkshire Police, although I expect the SY Police can be excused because they were still busy covering up their part in the Hillsborough disaster. :whistle:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rotherham_child_sexual_exploitation_scandal
If ya need a supply of kids , privatization of the "care " industry helps a lot...
Merry old England ...Shall we start listing won what and where
Dolphin sq
Heath , savile , Mr Harris and his tied down kangaroo...
As for the podestas
The higher up ya go the sicker they get , isn't that right Mr bush snr ..
Fkers the lot of em

sent for a divine source

Katman

19th February 2017, 19:06

I expected Yokel to be the first to post those links. There's a hell of a lot more around saying much the same thing including allegations that the Californian state version of our CYFS is handing children over to pedophiles. And as i said last page, the Mossad has all the names and is blackmailing everyone....except Trump....

Both right and left leaning Americans on another forum I watch are saying fantasies...

As i said before, we seem to be living in an alternative world...

You almost sound like Donald Trump's election is the only weird thing that's going on in the world.

bogan

19th February 2017, 19:32

Read the Oded Yinon Plan.

If you thought I meant evidence to corroborate the significance of the stripes on the flag then we obviously had crossed wires.

I was very clear in calling it merely a "suggestion" - and one that I think is worth considering whether there is any substance in. (In the light of the 'corroborating evidence' of plans for a Greater Israel).

I did say it required corroborating evidence for the suggestion to be worth considering; obviously the corroborating evidence would be to validate the suggestion, not simply go deeper down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theory with the Oded Yinon Plan.

So I do not see why it is worth considering if there is no substance to it. That would simply be a waste of time.

Katman

19th February 2017, 20:11

Just how deep does it go?

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1184433

Katman

19th February 2017, 20:12

I did say it required corroborating evidence for the suggestion to be worth considering; obviously the corroborating evidence would be to validate the suggestion, not simply go deeper down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theory with the Oded Yinon Plan.

So I do not see why it is worth considering if there is no substance to it. That would simply be a waste of time.

Ignorance must be bliss.

bogan

19th February 2017, 20:32

Ignorance must be bliss.

All I asked was to have the ignorance removed from that theory; simply stop ignoring the question of corroborating evidence for all these theories you 'suggest'. Simply stop being ignorant and stop perpetuating fake news and alternative 'facts'.

Katman

19th February 2017, 20:36

Simply stop being ignorant and stop perpetuating fake news and alternative 'facts'.

There's that fucking echo chamber again.

bogan

19th February 2017, 20:53

There's that fucking echo chamber again.

In what sense? The terms fake news and alternative facts are accurately applied to that which is promoted from second hand sources without supporting evidence or basic fact checking. There is no echo chamber at play in describing it thusly, since there is no unverifiable theory being echoed around until it achieves the semblance of validity.

husaberg

19th February 2017, 20:54

There's that fucking echo chamber again.

Nah, That would just be those paranoid voices in you head again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnhAnl0rAB0

Katman

19th February 2017, 21:13

In what sense?

In the sense that you're a fucking echo chamber.

What sense do you think?

You fucking egg.

husaberg

19th February 2017, 21:38

Odds on PD with in 2 days.....

Katman

19th February 2017, 21:40

Odds on PD with in 2 days.....

Well that probably depends on how earnestly you and bogan cry to the moderators.

As far as I'm aware the words 'fuck' and 'egg' are still on the list of approved insults.

oldrider

19th February 2017, 22:27

Odds on PD with in 2 days.....

Well that is always you intention isn't it - anything you don't agree with you work at it until you get it into PD - modus operandi of husaberg the KB shill. :yes:

oldrider

20th February 2017, 02:02

Who Rules the United States?: http://www.globalresearch.ca/who-rules-the-united-states/5575520 interesting? :scratch:

nzspokes

20th February 2017, 05:43

Well fuck, Trump is taking after Katman.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/89580619/sweden-mocks-us-president-donald-trump-over-his-false-claim-about-terror-attack

Voltaire

20th February 2017, 06:04

Well fuck, Trump is taking after Katman.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/89580619/sweden-mocks-us-president-donald-trump-over-his-false-claim-about-terror-attack

Clearly the Swedish media is part of the anti Trumph fake news brigade.

Give the man a break,tweeting is hard work.

I hear Triumph sales are falling in the US as people think Trumph owns it.

https://i.imgflip.com/1hfuc4.jpg

bogan

20th February 2017, 07:00

Well that probably depends on how earnestly you and bogan cry to the moderators.

As far as I'm aware the words 'fuck' and 'egg' are still on the list of approved insults.

Probably more to do with how far off track you've taken the thread due to a simple request for corroborating evidence to support a theory you put forth.

Oh, and calling somebody an echo chamber makes no sense, because an echo chamber requires a group of people, and an information medium.

yokel

20th February 2017, 07:55

Just how deep does it go?

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-1184433

If you don't want to be physically sick. Don't watch this video https://youtu.be/7b273RhFHCY

And then there's Dr Phill and "pizzaslime"

"pizza smell gives me the happy screams"

https://youtu.be/VAh3gYxfEfs

Grumph

20th February 2017, 08:20

For those of a cynical frame of mind...

Woodman

20th February 2017, 08:22

If you don't want to be physically sick. Don't watch this video https://youtu.be/7b273RhFHCY

And then there's Dr Phill and "pizzaslime"

"pizza smell gives me the happy screams"

https://youtu.be/VAh3gYxfEfs

So what was on the video? Don't want to be physically sick so won't watch it.

pritch

20th February 2017, 09:57

For those of a cynical frame of mind...

Yeah I was wondering what happened "in Sweden last night".
I see this morning that nobody in Sweden knows what Trump was talking about either. Even less factual than Bowling Green.

He also mentioned what happened in Germany. The mass sex attack by muslim men on German women was fake news, a work of fiction with no basis in fact.

Of course none of this will bother his fans.

Brian d marge

20th February 2017, 11:02

Its amazing , how we STILL pay attention to the media , when again and again its proved to be lying ....

Once , fine , twice ooops my bad , but three or more times , now THAT is the definition of stupid .......

BTW the Russians are coming ....

oldrider

20th February 2017, 11:51

Yeah I was wondering what happened "in Sweden last night".
I see this morning that nobody in Sweden knows what Trump was talking about either. Even less factual than Bowling Green.

He also mentioned what happened in Germany. The mass sex attack by muslim men on German women was fake news, a work of fiction with no basis in fact.

Of course none of this will bother his fans.

But it will embolden his enemies who I would have thought were bold enough without him encouraging them FFS! :stupid: . :doh:

Katman

20th February 2017, 12:42

Yeah I was wondering what happened "in Sweden last night".

The article has been updated.

pritch

20th February 2017, 13:04

The article has been updated.

Which article? (Serious question, there were lots.)

Katman

20th February 2017, 13:08

Which article? (Serious question, there were lots.)

The one on the previous page.

Banditbandit

20th February 2017, 13:27

Yeah I was wondering what happened "in Sweden last night".
I see this morning that nobody in Sweden knows what Trump was talking about either. Even less factual than Bowling Green.

He also mentioned what happened in Germany. The mass sex attack by muslim men on German women was fake news, a work of fiction with no basis in fact.

Of course none of this will bother his fans.

The man is a hopeless ego-maniac who's main source of information appears to be conspiracy theory websites and his fans on facebook.

husaberg

20th February 2017, 15:28

Well that probably depends on how earnestly you and bogan cry to the moderators.

As far as I'm aware the words 'fuck' and 'egg' are still on the list of approved insults.

Well that is always you intention isn't it - anything you don't agree with you work at it until you get it into PD - modus operandi of husaberg the KB shill. :yes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZlV3oQ3pLA0

husaberg

20th February 2017, 16:07

Another theory which may or may not be correct - but seems to make sense - is that he believes what he sees on TV. He doesn't read, nor does he seem to be at all curious, and that's a worry because his channel of choice appears to be FOX News. Several times he has posted an angry tweet within minutes of the same topic being mentioned on FOX.
:
Its happened again, you called it.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-sweden-happened-last-night-based-on-debunked-fox-news-report-a7589031.html

Ocean1

20th February 2017, 17:41

:laugh: "Make America Smart Again" :laugh: :laugh::laugh:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/89604663/make-america-smart-again-scientists-in-us-rally-against-trumps-reality

yokel

20th February 2017, 17:52

:laugh: "Make America Smart Again" :laugh: :laugh::laugh:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/89604663/make-america-smart-again-scientists-in-us-rally-against-trumps-reality

Well they voted in Trump over Hillary so that's a great start.

And then there's poor old Stockholm syndrome Sweden.

https://youtu.be/sTCo55Nfxa8

Ocean1

20th February 2017, 18:01

Well they voted in Trump over Hillary so that's a great start.

You could emigrate, dude, you'd fit right in.

Bonus: would increase the mean IQ of both countries.

yokel

20th February 2017, 18:13

Yeah I was wondering what happened "in Sweden last night".
I see this morning that nobody in Sweden knows what Trump was talking about either. Even less factual than Bowling Green.

He also mentioned what happened in Germany. The mass sex attack by muslim men on German women was fake news, a work of fiction with no basis in fact.

Of course none of this will bother his fans.

It's called Stockholm syndrome.
Trump didn't mention an actual terrorist attack.

Sweden is screwed.

Grumph

20th February 2017, 19:11

The man is a hopeless ego-maniac who's main source of information appears to be conspiracy theory websites and his fans on facebook.

He's pledged to bring to justice the news organisations promoting "False News"...You'd automatically think he'd start with Fox...
After all, THEY made HIM look bad.....

In breaking news, posted by a very cynical American on another forum, "The survivors of the Bowling Green Massacre are to go to Sweden to offer support to survivors of the attack there".....

It's becoming very apparent he's not listening to anyone on his staff - Or is it that none of them are talking to him ?

oldrider

20th February 2017, 19:30

It's becoming very apparent he's not listening to anyone on his staff - Or is it that none of them are talking to him ?

In the climate of the current day - how do you know any of that is even true? :scratch:

Probably best to let him run his course and judge him by what he does rather than be convinced by all these dubious claims about what he is going to do or not do!

yokel

20th February 2017, 19:52

The words "terrorist" and "attack" where the fuck are they?

Trump is right, it's all fake news folks.

https://youtu.be/t0tSLV3GGQc

pritch

20th February 2017, 19:59

In the climate of the current day - how do you know any of that is even true? :scratch:

Problem might be more the staff he listens to: mainly Bannon and Miller, both white supremacists, but neither of whom knows shit about how government works. They both worked at Breitbart ffs. Now *there's* a fake news organisation.

"You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden. Who would believe this? Sweden."
Not me anyway you idiot orange-utan drop-kick. Try Yokel.

oldrider

20th February 2017, 20:07

Not me anyway you idiot orange-utan drop-kick.

Seriously? - what on earth brought that on? :scratch:

pritch

20th February 2017, 20:11

Seriously? - what on earth brought that on? :scratch:

Not you. The orange one. I was answering his question, "Who would believe this?"

oldrider

20th February 2017, 20:21

Not you. The orange one. I was answering his question, "Who would believe this?"

:lol: That makes me feel a whole lot better - you had me worried there! :eek:

Voltaire

21st February 2017, 06:57

I read in the news ( probably fake) that Russia is now #1 oil exporter and grain grower in the world.

The head choppers are #2 and US #3 for oil production.

Putin the 'Great' into Russia.

pritch

21st February 2017, 09:16

I read in the news ( probably fake) that Russia is now <snip> #1 grain grower in the world.

Trump's "policies" may bite him on the arse because they aren't thought through. Mexico has been buying billions worth of corn from the US annually. They are currently trying to source corn from South America so as not to buy from the US. The inbred yokels in Iowa may have cause to reflect on their enthusiasm for Trump.

Trump though can feel completely vindicated, he has just been endorsed by no other than Robert Mugabe. :lol:

Banditbandit

21st February 2017, 09:28

Trump's "policies" may bite him on the arse because they aren't thought through. Mexico has been buying billions worth of corn from the US annually. They are currently trying to source corn from South America so as not to buy from the US. The inbred yokels in Iowa may have cause to reflect on their enthusiasm for Trump.

As soon as Trump canned the TPPA the farmers who supported him reacted - 75% of the grain they grow is exported ... I saw a video clip of one of them saying trade was so important to the US that they did not believe he would do that ..

Well, they are learning now.

Trump though can feel completely vindicated, he has just been endorsed by no other than Robert Mugabe. :lol:

:rofl: One of those friends you do not need in your life ..

oldrider

21st February 2017, 09:30

Trump's "policies" may bite him on the arse because they aren't thought through. Mexico has been buying billions worth of corn from the US annually. They are currently trying to source corn from South America so as not to buy from the US. The inbred yokels in Iowa may have cause to reflect on their enthusiasm for Trump.

Trump though can feel completely vindicated, he has just been endorsed by no other than Robert Mugabe. :lol:

Upshot of Trump experience?: - The American people are probably going to end up "begging for martial law" - it wont be nice for anybody anywhere in the world! :oi-grr:

TheDemonLord

21st February 2017, 10:21

As soon as Trump canned the TPPA the farmers who supported him reacted - 75% of the grain they grow is exported ... I saw a video clip of one of them saying trade was so important to the US that they did not believe he would do that ..

Well, they are learning now.

Well - to be fair, he did say multiple times that he was going to can the TPPA - I mean, I understand people are shocked and confused at a world leader actually doing what they said they would do but....

In other hilariously ironic news - all the types of people who were so vehemently against the TPPA - how many of them have said a kind work about Trump or even a kind word about Trump doing away with the TPPA....

Grumph

21st February 2017, 10:21

In the climate of the current day - how do you know any of that is even true? :scratch:

Probably best to let him run his course and judge him by what he does rather than be convinced by all these dubious claims about what he is going to do or not do!

The only "dubious claims" I have posted have been straight from Trump's mouth...

IMO news organisations have no need to make anything up around this idiot, every time he opens his mouth he puts a foot in it. Conventionally politicians going into a press conference will have discussed with staff exactly what will be said - and what won't be touched. Watch any of the NZ Ministers - there's a staffer at the shoulder to stop any off course digressions immediately.
Looking at what he's saying - not reported but actual live film - there's no filter at all. It's stream of consciousness stuff with no pre planning whatsoever.
Sooner or later he's going to say something publicly which will get him pulled up either by Congress or the Judiciary.

I see the trip to Florida was to reassure himself he still had grassroots support...campaigning is one thing, governing another.

Brian d marge

21st February 2017, 10:34

Upshot of Trump experience?: - The American people are probably going to end up "begging for martial law" - it wont be nice for anybody anywhere in the world! :oi-grr:
That's the plan .. UNLESS Trump is doing the right things , first 100 days and all that

Stock market touching 20 k , and a Mafia lad in charge , surrounded by scum
What could possibly go wrong

If I were in Iran ... The all mighty would be getting extra doses of prayer ,

sent for a divine source

oldrider

21st February 2017, 10:49

The only "dubious claims" I have posted have been straight from Trump's mouth...

IMO news organisations have no need to make anything up around this idiot, every time he opens his mouth he puts a foot in it. Conventionally politicians going into a press conference will have discussed with staff exactly what will be said - and what won't be touched. Watch any of the NZ Ministers - there's a staffer at the shoulder to stop any off course digressions immediately.
Looking at what he's saying - not reported but actual live film - there's no filter at all. It's stream of consciousness stuff with no pre planning whatsoever.
Sooner or later he's going to say something publicly which will get him pulled up either by Congress or the Judiciary.

I see the trip to Florida was to reassure himself he still had grassroots support...campaigning is one thing, governing another.

Wasn't aimed at "you" just like Pritch wasn't aiming at me! - nothing like face to face eyeball to eyeball is there? - no expression on a keyboard! :Oops:

Grumph

21st February 2017, 10:53

If I were in Iran ... The all mighty would be getting extra doses of prayer ,

Not to worry, Russia's just agreed to sell them a world class missile and aircraft defence system....

Now, why do you think Putin did that.....

pritch

21st February 2017, 11:50

The only "dubious claims" I have posted have been straight from Trump's mouth...

This is one great thing about Trump. Over time his positions change radically. Sometimes it doesn't take long at all, he can do a 180 about turn in a single sentence.

An example of his words crippling him was the Executive Order implementing the muslim ban. The first amendment of the Constitution opposes religous discrimination so when it was challenged in court the Government tried to say it wasn't a ban and it wasn't specifically against muslims. So the lawyers for the opposition read to the court a list of statements from the orange-utan* saying he would introduce a muslim ban. Trump says he will take it further but he's batting 0 for 3 so far.

Comments from people who have seen the EOs that he has signed indicate that they are very amateurish. None of the procedures that would normally have been used have been followed, and they have obviously been written by people with no knowledge or experience of what is required. The wording would be laughable if they weren't so serious.

*I mean no disrespect to any orang-utan living or dead.

pzkpfw

21st February 2017, 12:04

...
Comments from people who have seen the EOs that he has signed indicate that they are very amateurish. None of the procedures that would normally have been used have been followed, and they have obviously been written by people with no knowledge or experience of what is required. The wording would be laughable if they weren't so serious.
...

Yep. Half his ticket was "I'm not a politician", and the claim he'd then be "better".

But what we're seeing is that running a country properly actually does take politicians (and diplomats, and bureaucrats, and experienced staff, ...).

Brian d marge

21st February 2017, 12:21

Not to worry, Russia's just agreed to sell them a world class missile and aircraft defence system....

Now, why do you think Putin did that.....
Phew , safe
Russian stuff may be old tech but it works

sent for a divine source

yokel

21st February 2017, 12:23

This is one great thing about Trump. Over time his positions change radically. Sometimes it doesn't take long at all, he can do a 180 about turn in a single sentence.

An example of his words crippling him was the Executive Order implementing the muslim ban. The first amendment of the Constitution opposes religous discrimination so when it was challenged in court the Government tried to say it wasn't a ban and it wasn't specifically against muslims. So the lawyers for the opposition read to the court a list of statements from the orange-utan* saying he would introduce a muslim ban. Trump says he will take it further but he's batting 0 for 3 so far.

Comments from people who have seen the EOs that he has signed indicate that they are very amateurish. None of the procedures that would normally have been used have been followed, and they have obviously been written by people with no knowledge or experience of what is required. The wording would be laughable if they weren't so serious.

*I mean no diesprespect to any orang-utan living or dead.

Correct me if I'm wrong, I would've thought you'd have to be a US citizen to be covered by the constitution?

And it's not a Muslim ban.

pritch

21st February 2017, 12:48

Correct me if I'm wrong, I would've thought you'd have to be a US citizen to be covered by the constitution?

And it's not a Muslim ban.

It may have escaped your notice, but Trump is a US citizen. Although it does appear his wife was an illegal immigrant.
Trump swore an oath, "I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Trump disagrees with you, he said repeatedly that he would have a muslim ban. A Federal Court and an Appeals Court have decided his EO banning immigration from seven countries he had no business ties with, but from which no citizen had ever committed a terrorist attack in the USA, was in fact the muslim ban of which he spoke.

yokel

21st February 2017, 20:14

It may have escaped your notice, but Trump is a US citizen. Although it does appear his wife was an illegal immigrant.
Trump swore an oath, "I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

Trump disagrees with you, he said repeatedly that he would have a muslim ban. A Federal Court and an Appeals Court have decided his EO banning immigration from seven countries he had no business ties with, but from which no citizen had ever committed a terrorist attack in the USA, was in fact the muslim ban of which he spoke.

What's all that got to do with the US constitution Us citizens and dune coons from the middle east?

Moving on..

Trump was right again.

https://youtu.be/gmbmP6zssWo

pete376403

21st February 2017, 20:15

A FB post described Trump as a "shit-flinging howler monkey" - seemed apt.

Brian d marge

21st February 2017, 20:22

I'm off on me travels again , ATM I'm in. Bum fk nowhere
Yesterday , I went to a temple , it's a thing to do ...boorin , but there were Chinese. Sorry China , ur as cute as a button holy fk there are some cute ones,. But NO idea of anything to do with the public , even doors ,
I thought it was a stereotype but no ...
Damn Donald , can we solve the China question, forget Sweden....

sent for a divine source

pritch

21st February 2017, 21:02

I was wondering if y’all had heard of Milo Yiannopoulos?

His Wikipedia bio starts out - “Milo Yiannopoulos is a British journalist, author, entrepreneur, public speaker, and senior editor for Breitbart News, a far-right news and opinion website based in the United States.”

Milo pretty much hates women, feminists, transexuals, and a whole host of other people probably including muslims and Mexicans. His mother was a Jewish Greek but he is British. He is also out and proud. He first came to my notice by the singular accomplishment of being banned by Twitter. To get banned from what at times appears to resemble a virtual sewer is really a bit special.

Milo has been actively seeking speaking engagements. There have been “riots” in protest at some of the universities at which he was booked to speak. Milo revels in the attention claiming that he is a champion of free speech. Many people who should have known better supported his free speech claims. He was on the Bill Maher Show last week and the host didn’t exactly cover himself in glory, not challenging much at all of what Milo said.

Milo is tight with Trump’s in-crowd, after all Breitbart is not a big organisation and both Trump’s top advisors also worked there and probably share many of his views. (Pardon me repeatedly calling him Milo but I’d get bloody RSI typing his surname all the time.)

Milo was due to address the Conservative Political Action Conference as key note speaker. Many people were wondering if the CPAC people had lost the plot making him the keynote speaker. He also had a publishing deal with Simon and Schuster for his upcoming book “Dangerous”.

Milo likes to say things that shock, but it seems that he doesn’t know his hosts as well as he thought. You see the Yanks are mostly rather prudish (at least in public). So when Milo during a TV interview expanded on his view that gay men should be permitted to have sex with boys as young as thirteen, the bubble suddenly burst. Bear in mind that the age of consent for heterosexual activity is eighteen in most states. Sex between gay men and thirteen year old boys is waaaay beyond what most Americans could contemplate.

Milo has been branded a paedophile, his keynote address has been cancelled, and his book deal has been cancelled. The disgusting little creep, might as well fuck off back to Britain and we will hopefully hear no more about him. Please pardon my schadenfreude. :lol:

pritch

21st February 2017, 21:14

What's all that got to do with the US constitution Us citizens and dune coons from the middle east?

Moving on..

Trump was right again.

I will write this in big letters, read it slowly.

Trump cannot sign an executive order that breaches the constitution. Ultimately the courts decide if he has done that.

The guy that made that video is another one who can't grasp the meaning of the word 'context'.

husaberg

21st February 2017, 21:58

What's all that got to do with the US constitution Us citizens and dune coons from the middle east?

Moving on..

Trump was right again.

The US consitution does not just cover the rights of its citizens, it covers legal rights in regards to creating laws etc.
https://www.senate.gov/civics/constitution_item/constitution.htm

pritch

21st February 2017, 22:09

TheDemonLord

22nd February 2017, 00:20

Grumph

22nd February 2017, 06:59

Here is one that I seriously hope is fake news. The New York Times is reporting that Alex Jones has been hired by Trump to work in an advisory role.

Somebody over there needs to wake the fuck up and dump the orange-utan.

I understand the Aussies like to call him the "Tangerine ball-bag" Feel free to change to that if you prefer.

In other news, "evangelist" Pat Robertson claims that staring at Melania or a picture of same can turn a gay man straight....
Personally, I think she's got a high profile stalker...

pzkpfw

22nd February 2017, 07:39

...
In other news, "evangelist" Pat Robertson claims that staring at Melania or a picture of same can turn a gay man straight....
Personally, I think she's got a high profile stalker...

That related to this? http://www.snopes.com/pat-robertson-melania-nude-pics/

yokel

22nd February 2017, 09:06

Yeah - I quite enjoy Milo - That's certainly one perspective of Milo, I happen to hold another perspective.

Well it looks like he's a victim of sexual abuse.
And can see all hate spewed out by the leftist media at Milo is going to back fire.

yokel

22nd February 2017, 09:10

I will write this in big letters, read it slowly.

Trump cannot sign an executive order that breaches the constitution. Ultimately the courts decide if he has done that.

The guy that made that video is another one who can't grasp the meaning of the word 'context'.

You are quiet the moron.

"You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden. Who would believe this? Sweden."

What Trump says next puts it into context.

Was it
A- there was this horrible terrorist attack.
Or
B- they're bringing in loads of people.

pritch

22nd February 2017, 10:00

You are quiet the moron.

Is it possible you meant "quite the moron"?

That's a funny thing about Trump supporters, they all seem to be semi literate at best.

yokel

22nd February 2017, 10:03

Is it possible you meant "quite the moron".

That's a funny thing about Trump supporters, they all seem to be semi literate at best.

Well at least I don't take shit out of context.

pritch

22nd February 2017, 10:05

It's reported today that Milo has left Breitbart. Perhaps he will join the other former Breitbart employees: Bannon, Miller, and Gorka, at the Whitehouse?

The thought occurs that with so many former Brietbart people advising Trump perhaps I ought to read their rubbish. Although I can't face the thought of watching Alex Jones unhinged nonsense now that he too is on Trump's team.

pritch

22nd February 2017, 10:07

Well at least I don't take shit out of context.

Green bling awarded. That's genuinely funny. :lol:

I'm going for a ride, you should too.

oldrider

22nd February 2017, 11:01

I'm going for a ride.

Lucky bastard! :ride: Enjoy!

TheDemonLord

22nd February 2017, 13:07

Well it looks like he's a victim of sexual abuse.
And can see all hate spewed out by the leftist media at Milo is going to back fire.

TBH - I'm going to treat Milo's claim of abuse the exact same way I treat every other 'celebrity' who claims historic sexual abuse - With skepticism until objective evidence is presented.

That all said - even if you don't like Milo - you have to concede that he fell upon his sword with grace and dignity and there are many that could learn a thing or two about responsibility by watching Milo's resignation.

Katman

22nd February 2017, 13:27

That all said - even if you don't like Milo - you have to concede that he fell upon his sword with grace and dignity and there are many that could learn a thing or two about responsibility by watching Milo's resignation.

Bullshit - he simply tried playing the 'victim' card.

The guy's nothing but a repugnant fuckwit.

And quite frankly it speaks volumes about you, that you could swoon so over him.

TheDemonLord

22nd February 2017, 15:20

Bullshit - he simply tried playing the 'victim' card.

The guy's nothing but a repugnant fuckwit.

And quite frankly it speaks volumes about you, that you could swoon so over him.

You note - that I didn't give him any slack about his supposed Victim status?

If it speaks volumes about me that I respect a person that knows when they have made a mistake and crossed certain boundries and steps down, taking responsibility for their actions - then yeah - I guess that does speak Volumes....

yokel

22nd February 2017, 16:04

The article that kicked off the rise of Milo.
www.breitbart.com/london/2014/12/04/the-sexodus-part-1-the-men-giving-up-on-women-and-checking-out-of-society/amp/

And the hypocrisy of the leftist.

https://milo.yiannopoulos.net/2017/02/takei-child-molestation/

https://youtu.be/6hDSOyuuSi4

yokel

22nd February 2017, 16:15

Green bling awarded. That's genuinely funny. :lol:

I'm going for a ride, you should too.

You can't ride away from the truth ether.

Trump made absolutely no reference to a terrorist attack in Sweden.

https://youtu.be/t1kB0XeXdOs

bogan

22nd February 2017, 16:34

Trump made absolutely no reference to a terrorist attack in Sweden.

But if there was a T'rist attack in Sweden, would that be to which he did refer :sherlock:

yokel

22nd February 2017, 16:43

But if there was a T'rist attack in Sweden, would that be to which he did refer :sherlock:

Trump was talking generally about the migrant crisis, which I guess could be seen as a terrorist attack by the Swedish government on it's people.

husaberg

22nd February 2017, 17:49

You can't ride away from the truth ether.

Trump made absolutely no reference to a terrorist attack in Sweden.

https://youtu.be/t1kB0XeXdOs

But if there was a T'rist attack in Sweden, would that be to which he did refer :sherlock:

Trump was talking generally about the migrant crisis, which I guess could be seen as a terrorist attack by the Swedish government on it's people.

If it was a generalisation, why did he say what happened in Sweden last night. that's pretty specific rather than generalisation.

"You look at what's happening last night in Sweden. Sweden, who would believe this?"
Trump then mentioned the French cities of Nice and Paris and the Belgian capital, Brussels. The three European cities were all attacked by terrorists over the past two years.

Katman

22nd February 2017, 18:00

If it was a generalisation, why did he say what happened in Sweden last night. that pretty specific rather than generalisation.

Because the article on immigration that he was referring to, aired on TV the night before.

It's not rocket surgery.

husaberg

22nd February 2017, 18:09

Because the article on immigration that he was referring to, aired on TV the night before.

It's not rocket surgery.

It's clearly not an article if he watched it on fox news.
Are you confusing television with print media.

yokel

22nd February 2017, 18:11

Because the article on immigration that he was referring to, aired on TV the night before.

It's not rocket surgery.

Yes Trump made the mistake of not referencing the Fox article.

I guess that's what happens when you don't use a teleprompter and a team of speech writers (assuming).

Stylo

22nd February 2017, 18:41

Yes Trump made the mistake of not referencing the Fox article.

I guess that's what happens when you don't use a teleprompter and a team of speech writers (assuming).

Trump.

I'd be surprised if he makes it to Christmas. He hasn't revealed his tax details yet, as requested numerous times ( something to hide Donald dumbfuck ? )

Every other President has.

Made a dick of your self so far and even your Republican 'fellows' are quietly laughing at you, well, who wouldn't ?

What a fucking idiot..

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