The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[oldrider]

The billions recently released through quantitative easing were funnelled directly into the stockmarket to keep it artificially inflated. The economy might be showing warning signs, but as long as the stockmarket looks good Trump is happy.

In other words proof positive that banking is just an official "Ponzi Scheme". - :msn-wink: ............. :Police: (Look way officer nothing to see here?)

[pritch]

In other words proof positive that banking is just an official "Ponzi Scheme". - :msn-wink: ............. :Police: (Look way officer nothing to see here?)

Well, it's hard to argue with that in this particular instance.

The Fed is supposed to work independently of the government but Trump has been bullying them into submission. As members leave he replaces them with people whose main qualification is that they will do what he wants. That could go pear shaped in a big way.

[sugilite]

Well at least Trump is cleaning up the swamp by letting big time fraudsters out of jail :rolleyes:

[Bonez]

Well, it's hard to argue with that in this particular instance.

The Fed is supposed to work independently of the government but Trump has been bullying them into submission. As members leave he replaces them with people whose main qualification is that they will do what he wants. That could go pear shaped in a big way.The Fed is a big con job to the US citizens. Bascly set up to print money or restrict it when ever it wants.

[Viking01]

Well at least Trump is cleaning up the swamp by letting big time fraudsters out of jail :rolleyes:

https://www.commondreams.org/further/2020/02/18/pardoning-swamp

[pritch]

So despite the best efforts of Trump and Barr, Trump's buddy Roger Stone has been sentenced to forty months in the big house. That's less than the sentencing guidelines suggested, even so it might be possible to use an egg timer to check his actual time served.

There is some interesting discussion about the implications of a pardon, should one be forthcoming. If pardoned you are automatically adjudjed guilty of the crime but the penalty is removed. There is no possibility of an appeal if pardoned, as Sherrif Arpaio discovered live on TV. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRKzSW_CtuE&fbclid=IwAR3D4VRQNvgl9Oiammqy8CmX6EoqPB74PdO2T_hWS UWHMvUZ6Ai74bRNaxw

That clip is long but the relevant section starts about 4'40". Ari Melber, the MSNBC host on that clip, is a qualified lawyer.

There is also thought that someone convicted and subsequently pardoned, and therefore guilty, cannot plead the fifth under cross examination (the right not to incriminate themselves). So if Stone is called as a witness in future he will have to answer all questions.

[oldrider]

The Fed is supposed to work independently of the government but Trump has been bullying them into submission. As members leave he replaces them with people whose main qualification is that they will do what he wants. That could go pear shaped in a big way.


The Fed is a big con job to the US citizens. Bascly set up to print money or restrict it when ever it wants.

The Fed is a private banking company that uses (costless) limitless otherwise public credit to shape and control public thinking and behaviour - that is where Rothschild's, Soros et al get their money from!

That is behind the true meaning when Rothschild stated:- "Give me control of a nations finance I care not who makes the rules" - He who holds the money holds the power - "Totally" and they do - because the world lets them!

Any bullying by Trump is done so at their bidding - not his! - Politicians are totally compromised people - puppets that do the bidding of the banking cartel etc - proof is all around us every day! :doh: Take a proper look! :msn-wink:

[Viking01]

So despite the best efforts of Trump and Barr, Trump's buddy Roger Stone has been sentenced to forty months in the big house. That's less than the sentencing guidelines suggested, even so it might be possible to use an egg timer to check his actual time served.

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2020/02/roger-stone-sentenced-to-wait-several-days-for-presidential-pardon/

[pritch]

So the House Intelligence Committee has been advised by the Office of National Security that the Russians are actively interfering in the 2020 election. The Republican members of the Committee threw tantrums. Trump has replaced the top man of the Office with a puppet who has zero experience in any form of intelligence work.

Yet another, "What could possibly go wrong?"

[TheDemonLord]

So the House Intelligence Committee has been advised by the Office of National Security that the Russians are actively interfering in the 2020 election. The Republican members of the Committee threw tantrums. Trump has replaced the top man of the Office with a puppet who has zero experience in any form of intelligence work.

Yet another, "What could possibly go wrong?"

And pray Tell - How exactly are they Interfering?

Because at the moment the Democrats are making themselves look like utter fools without any outside help and Trump's economy and domestic policy appears to be working as intended.

Wait....

Are you saying....

That the Russians are propping up the US economy to make it look good to keep Trump in power?!? Quick! To the Tinfoilmobile!

[Bonez]

So Chicken Little is at it again."The Russians are coming!" since 2015. Must be some kind of KB record.

[sugilite]

Because those nice Russians would never wish any ill on the USA.
TDS

[Viking01]

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/02/19/the-west-displays-its-insecurity-complex/

[Edit]

https://astutenews.com/2020/02/20/no-pompeo-the-west-isnt-winning/

[mashman]

The five eyes. A way for every country to get around its domestic spying laws. Also a spiffing way for every other country to have access to information to meddle in the elections of other countries... or at the very least provide information for such things to take place. Political "infiltration" is not a new thing. As such, all populations have already had an entire lifetime of being bombarded with external "propaganda".

Odd how it's suddenly an issue this time.

[nerrrd]

Hopefully the Russians will get behind that other billionaire this time, we need some variety.

[pritch]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/after-a-congressional-briefing-on-election-threats-trump-soured-on-acting-spy-chief/2020/02/20/1ed2b4ec-53f1-11ea-b119-4faabac6674f_story.html


And for anyone who has mentioned "a few emails or Facebook ads", there's this. And that's not even mentioning Russians.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2020/feb/19/inside-trump-facebook-campaign-podcast

[Bonez]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/after-a-congressional-briefing-on-election-threats-trump-soured-on-acting-spy-chief/2020/02/20/1ed2b4ec-53f1-11ea-b119-4faabac6674f_story.html


And for anyone who has mentioned "a few emails", there's this. And that's not even mentioning Russians.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/audio/2020/feb/19/inside-trump-facebook-campaign-podcastBut you just did. You can't help yourself buddy.

[austingtir]

Oh well its back to the "Muh Russia collusion" narrative huh pritch?


:lol::lol::lol: :tugger:

[oldrider]

Syria - Turkey's Bluff Is Called:- https://www.moonofalabama.org/2020/02/syria-turkeys-bluff-is-called-media-opposition-sources-run-by-british-intelligence.html - :corn:

[oldrider]

Trump Appoints Staunch ZI0NIST Richard Grenell as Intelligence Chief :- https://www.bitchute.com/video/enFfa4z6EYw/ - Has Trump just strengthened Israel's claim of national sovereignty over USA? :wait:

[pritch]

Trump Appoints Staunch ZI0NIST Richard Grenell as Intelligence Chief :-

I knew he was gay and somewhat of a dolt. Hadn't seen zionist mentioned but that's not why he got the job. He got the job, for which he is completely unqualified, because he's a Trump sycophant.

[mashman]

I knew he was gay and somewhat of a dolt. Hadn't seen zionist mentioned but that's not why he got the job. He got the job, for which he is completely unqualified, because he's a Trump sycophant.

Fresh eyes might be needed given the failure of the expertise to date... but yeah, it does look a little like jobs for the boys.

[pritch]

So Trump’s new head of all the intelligence services previously worked for a corrupt Moldovan politician who is now a fugitive. He reportedly omitted to mention this detail and therefore, in the real world, is not eligible to hold a security clearance. In Trump’s ship of fools no doubt clearance will be forthcoming immediately - or even sooner. :whistle:

[mashman]

Clint Eastwood Ditches Donald Trump for Mike Bloomberg in 2020 Election (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/clint-eastwood-ditches-donald-trump-173420544.html)

Quick, Clint Eastwood is interfering in the election.

Countries will not be affected by whoever is the President of the United States, just "locals"? Given the myriad of governments that have been, and are in the process of being, overthrown by the United States in the name of securing their future, I'd say that anyone buying into the bullshit that some country or other is meddling in elections that have no effect on them has completely lost their rational mind and really has paid zero attention to what has happened throughout history.

Oh look, Trump is doing exactly what the Dems did, and the rest before them. What? they didn't pad the justice department their way? they didn't pad their security organisations their way? they didn't start needless war using both arms and economics etc...? they didn't sell ambassador positions to the highest bidder? they didn't employ their mates? they didn't overthrow governments?.......... and so on.

The rot is there from top to bottom. It may well be replaced by new rot, but hey, that's how the hamster wheel turns. If Don has what he claims he has, then the story is far from started.

[oldrider]

Clint Eastwood Ditches Donald Trump for Mike Bloomberg in 2020 Election (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/clint-eastwood-ditches-donald-trump-173420544.html)

Quick, Clint Eastwood is interfering in the election.

Countries will not be affected by whoever is the President of the United States, just "locals"? Given the myriad of governments that have been, and are in the process of being, overthrown by the United States in the name of securing their future, I'd say that anyone buying into the bullshit that some country or other is meddling in elections that have no effect on them has completely lost their rational mind and really has paid zero attention to what has happened throughout history.

Oh look, Trump is doing exactly what the Dems did, and the rest before them. What? they didn't pad the justice department their way? they didn't pad their security organisations their way? they didn't start needless war using both arms and economics etc...? they didn't sell ambassador positions to the highest bidder? they didn't employ their mates? they didn't overthrow governments?.......... and so on.

The rot is there from top to bottom. It may well be replaced by new rot, but hey, that's how the hamster wheel turns. If Don has what he claims he has, then the story is far from started.

MAGA / MIGA? - Either way, it's MIGA - all roads lead to Israel. - Who is Clint Eastwood? :confused:

[Viking01]

Who is Clint Eastwood? :confused:

Think that he is better known by his initials - NRA.

[mashman]

MAGA / MIGA? - Either way, it's MIGA - all roads lead to Israel. - Who is Clint Eastwood? :confused:

Dunno about all, but certainly most. Yeah, who is Clint Eastwood, and then who is Tom Hanks or Beyonce or Your Teacher or Oprah or Streep, Di Caprio etc... They're not all the head of something. For example, add Pritch to that list. They know what they know and dismiss the rest as not worth knowing otherwise they'd know it and be told about it by those who they trust. KB is rife with my source beats your source coz I said so. The rest of the world is no different, and all because they know that the mob are behind them. Woke? One Flew Over The Cuckoo Nest was/is just another documentary along the lines of 1984 ;)

[husaberg]

KB is rife with my source beats your source coz I said so. )

Watties do you know Norman, my sauce is better than yours is, so ketchup........

[oldrider]

And the beat goes on? :whistle: - https://twitter.com/jamesperloff/status/1231673997638631427?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - MIGA? - :done:

[TheDemonLord]

I saw on the news this morning that:

"Rising approval rating for the God Emperor might help chance at Second Term"

You know it's serious when they are almost acknowledging that he's going to Win.

[Viking01]

I saw on the news this morning that:

"Rising approval rating for the God Emperor might help chance at Second Term"

You know it's serious when they are almost acknowledging that he's going to Win.

Worry not. Things are all under control.

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/21/21147318/russian-meddling-2020-election-briefing-trump-grenell

[TheDemonLord]

Worry not. Things are all under control.

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/21/21147318/russian-meddling-2020-election-briefing-trump-grenell

nothing like getting the excuses in early.

[oldrider]

from Mr Reagan:- https://www.sgtreport.com/2020/02/bernies-disturbing-sexual-views/ - From a "Tweet" about Bernie? - https://twitter.com/SGTreport/status/1231813281217642496?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - :wait: - Time reveals all ---- Eventually? :rolleyes:

[Viking01]

nothing like getting the excuses in early.

You must be psychic :

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/atlantic-trump-going-cheat

[TheDemonLord]

You must be psychic :

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/atlantic-trump-going-cheat

Whilst I'd love to claim that as a talent, I'm just see the same predictable pattern happening over and over.

It's sad because the state of Left Wing politics as it stands is doing a massive disservice to their traditional voter base

[oldrider]

Whilst I'd love to claim that as a talent, I'm just see the same predictable pattern happening over and over.

It's sad because the state of Left Wing politics as it stands is doing a massive disservice to their traditional voter base

Traditional left/right voters don't think what they are really voting for anyway - just supporting the same old club that they think they belong to? :thud: - :stupid: - :sleep:

[TheDemonLord]

Traditional left/right voters don't think what they are really voting for anyway - just supporting the same old club that they think they belong to? :thud: - :stupid: - :sleep:

I disagree - look at the shifts in the UK - Labour has abandoned the Working Class in favor of University educated Middle Class Socialists. The Working Classes don't want Socialism and so they voted Tory - in some cases for the first time ever.

IMO it comes down to a number of key principles and so long as either party doesn't violate them, then the Party faithful will keep voting for them.

[oldrider]

I disagree - look at the shifts in the UK - Labour has abandoned the Working Class in favor of University educated Middle Class Socialists. The Working Classes don't want Socialism and so they voted Tory - in some cases for the first time ever.

IMO it comes down to a number of key principles and so long as either party doesn't violate them, then the Party faithful will keep voting for them.

Don't you realise yet that left/right voters, party personnel, and policies are "INTERCHANGEABLE"! - They are one in the same - they all get the same result! - :msn-wink:

[TheDemonLord]

Don't you realise yet that left/right voters, party personnel, and policies are "INTERCHANGEABLE"! - They are one in the same - they all get the same result! - :msn-wink:

Some are, Some aren't.

Cases in point are Brexit and Trump.

Both of which can be seen as a revolt against the typical political dynamics.

Now, I'll agree that the Right Wing of recent times looks eerily similar to the left wing of 30 years ago and that there aren't many principled conservatives left, but that is not to say they don't exist.

However, I'll agree that the functionaries of Government (aka the Civil Service) have cultivated a particular viewpoint and atmosphere which has had a direct impact on some of the Policy changes, however a look to what is happening in the UK with Priti Patel vs the Civil Service and the discussion about the TV licence shows that people are fed-up with the 'interchangeability' of the Policies as you put it.

[Viking01]

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/25/the-democrats-quandary-in-a-struggle-between-oligarchy-and-democracy-something-must-give/

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/25/the-democrats-quandary-in-a-struggle-between-oligarchy-and-democracy-something-must-give/

An interesting article - the Author comes close to articulating the problem, then falls down the well of far-left nonsense.

[Viking01]

An interesting article - the Author comes close to articulating the problem, then falls down the well of far-left nonsense.

So, what do you think the actual problem is (assuming that the author "came close" to articulating it.

And if you could also just point out for me where is this "well of far left nonsense" (so that I don't accidentally trip and fall down it), that would be appreciated.

Thanks.

[oldrider]

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/02/25/the-democrats-quandary-in-a-struggle-between-oligarchy-and-democracy-something-must-give/


An interesting article - the Author comes close to articulating the problem, then falls down the well of far-left nonsense.

Maybe the same (club?) that destroyed the Roman Empire is currently controlling the destruction of the American Empire - as they did with all who went before? :rolleyes: (Where have all the Empires gone, long time passing?):whistle:

[TheDemonLord]

So, what do you think the actual problem is (assuming that the author "came close" to articulating it.

That the Democratic party is having a crisis of conscious, between it's blue-collar roots, it's radical middle-class, university educated activist wing and the Entrepreneurial Millionaires/Billionaires that tend to end up as Candidates.

It holds multiple, fundamentally contradictory views and cannot reconcile them. You've got Bernie who was all 'Millionaires and Billionaires are bad!' - until it was pointed out that he was a Millionaire, now it's 'Billionaires are bad!'.

You've got Bloomberg who quite literally bought himself a seat at the table.


And if you could also just point out for me where is this "well of far left nonsense" (so that I don't accidentally trip and fall down it), that would be appreciated.

Thanks.

When the author states:


Today’s pro-One Percent media – CNN, MSNBC and The New York Times

All of which have a demonstrable left-leaning bias, that means the Author is so-far-left that he considers a left-lean to be 'right wing'

You've got rants about the Bourgeoisie (or in this case 'the one-five%'), declarations of 'Challenging the Economy's Structure' - which sounds awfully like calling for some form of significant change, one might even say a Revolution....

Further down, you've got the old slight-of-hand regarding Economics trying to conflate Social Democracies with a wholly Capitalist Economy with Socialism - that's when the hint of Marxism becomes and veritable stench. It's not only factually incorrect but in this case (given the Authors credentials), a deliberate deception.

[TheDemonLord]

Maybe the same (club?) that destroyed the Roman Empire is currently controlling the destruction of the American Empire - as they did with all who went before? :rolleyes: (Where have all the Empires gone, long time passing?):whistle:

I know what you are alluding to - but if I instead referred to 'unbounded Progressive Politics', then that same statement would hold true.

[oldrider]

I know what you are alluding to - but if I instead referred to 'unbounded Progressive Politics', then that same statement would hold true.

Always a consideration "but" unbounded progressive politics contains too much of the element of "chance" - that's where people like Trump et al (their people?) come into the equation - Bought and paid for certainty? :msn-wink:

[TheDemonLord]

Always a consideration "but" unbounded progressive politics contains too much of the element of "chance" - that's where people like Trump et al (their people?) come into the equation - Bought and paid for certainty? :msn-wink:

I don't think it does contain an element of Chance.

In fact, I think it's almost an inevitable conclusion of the Human Nature, when faced with a life absent of privation and predation. To quote the Matrix:


"Did you know that the first Matrix was designed to be a perfect human world where none suffered, where everyone would be happy? It was a disaster. No one would accept the program. Entire crops were lost. Some believed that we lacked the programming language to describe your "perfect world". But I believe that, as a species, human beings define their reality through misery and suffering. So the perfect world was a dream that your primitive cerebrum kept trying to wake up from."

The end part I believe contains a Kernel of truth - as we get more and more comfy, so we start to focus on smaller and smaller 'issues' to 'overcome' - the same hardwiring that drives "Me and my Tribe are Hungry, we must therefore find something to eat" has nothing to attach itself to, there is no adversity to deal with.

Some choose to overcome this by creating artificial adversity (Sports, Mental challenges, outdoors lifestyle) - you see this with high-power Execs who do things like Ultra-Marathon running or similar pursuits.

Whereas others instead try to fix every little inequality in society, perceived or real - this leads to the rise of SJWs - when you have an infinite number of 'issues' that are intractable and in some cases the 'solution' for one makes another even worse - eventually you get to the point where the endless pursuit of perfection ends up destroying the Society until it can arise annew.

[oldrider]

I don't think it does contain an element of Chance.

In fact, I think it's almost an inevitable conclusion of the Human Nature, when faced with a life absent of privation and predation. To quote the Matrix:



The end part I believe contains a Kernel of truth - as we get more and more comfy, so we start to focus on smaller and smaller 'issues' to 'overcome' - the same hardwiring that drives "Me and my Tribe are Hungry, we must therefore find something to eat" has nothing to attach itself to, there is no adversity to deal with.

Some choose to overcome this by creating artificial adversity (Sports, Mental challenges, outdoors lifestyle) - you see this with high-power Execs who do things like Ultra-Marathon running or similar pursuits.

Whereas others instead try to fix every little inequality in society, perceived or real - this leads to the rise of SJWs - when you have an infinite number of 'issues' that are intractable and in some cases the 'solution' for one makes another even worse - eventually you get to the point where the endless pursuit of perfection ends up destroying the Society until it can arise annew.

I do not dispute your analyses and conclusion but go a step further (many steps in fact) and place yourself in the position of those who reached this conclusion long long ago and then move on to the next step?

They are playing advanced chess while the rest of the world (us) are still grappling with understanding how to set up a draft board! - Keep thinking it doesn't cost anything and it has feel-good benefits.

[oldrider]

Turn on the sound and be enlightened? :Oops: https://twitter.com/w_terrence/status/1232794472431394816?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow% 7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - :rolleyes:

[oldrider]

Feminism Created To Destroy Family & Set Up New World Order - The "late" Aaron Russo! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqIs4fFJ9Mc&fbclid=IwAR37jN3ODfzLgKcx_iKUgGOlfAUxUARqC5tA6axyh zl1cyJrPx0-n8vUoVU - Interesting for those that are (really) interested?



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[pritch]

Trump has given a speech on the Corona virus and US plans to deal with it. Although use of the word 'plan' in this context is a misnomer.

Trump has put Mike Pence, an anti-science religious nut with a record of presiding over an unnecessary AIDS epidemic and writing articles denying a link between tobacco and cancer, in overall charge of the US response. If thoughts and prayers are what's needed that'll be good, 'cause that's what they'll get.

From the Washington Post:
"He (Trump) also said the United States is “rapidly developing a vaccine,” but did not provide any more details. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, contradicted the president, saying a vaccine won’t be ready for more than a year."

Poor Tony. Somebody should have told him, contradict Trump and you're out on your arse.

[Bonez]

Didn't they already anounce the viccne had already been created about 3 weeks after the China outbreak?

Oh and "The Russians are comming!!!"

[sugilite]

No Vaccine yet,l Aussies have something to test. Here is hoping.
Russians are already interfering. Quite naive to think they don't. if one were actually seriously believing that.

[TheDemonLord]

Russians are already interfering. Quite naive to think they don't. if one were actually seriously believing that.

Are there Russian Sock-Puppet accounts?
Sure.
Are there Russian bots spreading misinformation?
Sure.
Are some of the above linked directly or indirectly encouraged by the Kremlin/Russian State.
Probably.
Are either of those going to have any significant impact on the election?
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And that is the Acid test. If you think a few spicy tweets and or posts on Facebook are really what is getting Trump re-elected, then you're in for a bad time*.

The biggest factor that will get Trump re-elected outside of all the things that Trump is doing, is the lack of serious opposition in the DNC.

This is not to say that I don't think that 'Muh Russia' claim is entirely without Merit - it's more a case that in the list of things that will influence the election, the Russian meddling is not in the top 3 or even top 10 - it's so far down the list that it should be considered as inconsequential.


*That's the Royal You, not the You, Sugilite, you.

[sugilite]

Whew, that took 172 words utilizing 1095 characters to agree with me - Yes the Russians are interfering :laugh:


Are there Russian Sock-Puppet accounts?
Sure.
Are there Russian bots spreading misinformation?
Sure.
Are some of the above linked directly or indirectly encouraged by the Kremlin/Russian State.
Probably.
Are either of those going to have any significant impact on the election?
Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo l


And that is the Acid test. If you think a few spicy tweets and or posts on Facebook are really what is getting Trump re-elected, then you're in for a bad time*.

The biggest factor that will get Trump re-elected outside of all the things that Trump is doing, is the lack of serious opposition in the DNC.

This is not to say that I don't think that 'Muh Russia' claim is entirely without Merit - it's more a case that in the list of things that will influence the election, the Russian meddling is not in the top 3 or even top 10 - it's so far down the list that it should be considered as inconsequential.


*That's the Royal You, not the You, Sugilite, you.

[jasonu]

Trump has given a speech on the Corona virus and US plans to deal with it. Although use of the word 'plan' in this context is a misnomer.

Trump has put Mike Pence, an anti-science religious nut with a record of presiding over an unnecessary AIDS epidemic and writing articles denying a link between tobacco and cancer, in overall charge of the US response. If thoughts and prayers are what's needed that'll be good, 'cause that's what they'll get.

From the Washington Post:
"He (Trump) also said the United States is “rapidly developing a vaccine,” but did not provide any more details. Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, contradicted the president, saying a vaccine won’t be ready for more than a year."

Poor Tony. Somebody should have told him, contradict Trump and you're out on your arse.

https://ktvz.com/news/national-world/2020/02/26/president-trump-puts-vp-pence-in-charge-of-coronavirus-response/

Looks to me he is doing mostly all the right things. What else do you think he should be doing?
Certain other countries simply give you a pamphlet at the airport and ask you to 'do the right thing'.

[TheDemonLord]

Whew, that took 172 words utilizing 1095 characters to agree with me - Yes the Russians are interfering :laugh:

I'm agreeing with you in the same way I'd agree with a physicist says that when I hit a fly on my Bike, me and the bike slow down.

Yes it may be true, but in reality it doesn't make a jot of difference.

[sugilite]

I'm agreeing with you in the same way I'd agree with a physicist says that when I hit a fly on my Bike, me and the bike slow down.

Yes it may be true, but in reality it doesn't make a jot of difference.
Because why? You are privy to every plan the Russians are executing and you have a direct hotline with Putin so he can fill you in on every detail? Give me a break, you don't know shit what they may or may not be up to.

[TheDemonLord]

Because why? You are privy to every plan the Russians are executing and you have a direct hotline with Putin so he can fill you in on every detail? Give me a break, you don't know shit what they may or may not be up to.

Well, Putin did say that your browsing history made for interesting reading...

However - The problem is you have to put it against what we do know:

1: Trump has a populist base - 'Make America Great Again', he's been holding what are effectively campaign rallies since getting elected and he is getting massive turn-out at these events.

2: The Democrats are a house divided between 3 factions: The Middle-class Communists (AKA Bernie Bros), The traditional Blue-collar voting base and the Entrepreneurial types. One look at what has happened in the UK should give a clear example of what will happen if they put up Bernie against Trump and Bernie continues to trot out his impossible Socialist policies.

3: The Economy - When even the Left-wing outlets are begrudgingly acknowledging that Unemployment is at record lows, the Economy is doing well.

4: The culture war rebellion against radical left-wing identity Politics

etc.

etc.

To make me take the 'Muh Russia' seriously - the threshold would be show that bots on Twitter and Facebook have more influence on public opinion than the above. Then one also would have to factor that in such a way as to why the relentless assault on the God Emperor by the Media, the DNC, The Universities, Antifa etc. did not work.

[jasonu]

Because why? You are privy to every plan the Russians are executing and you have a direct hotline with Putin so he can fill you in on every detail? Give me a break, you don't know shit what they may or may not be up to.

You are thinking of pritch.

[sugilite]

Fine, just don't make out you know what the Russians are up to when you simply cannot have the slightest idea. Or did you see Putin wearing a I just do the twitter bots thing?

Well, Putin did say that your browsing history made for interesting reading...

However - The problem is you have to put it against what we do know:

1: Trump has a populist base - 'Make America Great Again', he's been holding what are effectively campaign rallies since getting elected and he is getting massive turn-out at these events.

2: The Democrats are a house divided between 3 factions: The Middle-class Communists (AKA Bernie Bros), The traditional Blue-collar voting base and the Entrepreneurial types. One look at what has happened in the UK should give a clear example of what will happen if they put up Bernie against Trump and Bernie continues to trot out his impossible Socialist policies.

3: The Economy - When even the Left-wing outlets are begrudgingly acknowledging that Unemployment is at record lows, the Economy is doing well.

4: The culture war rebellion against radical left-wing identity Politics

etc.

etc.

To make me take the 'Muh Russia' seriously - the threshold would be show that bots on Twitter and Facebook have more influence on public opinion than the above. Then one also would have to factor that in such a way as to why the relentless assault on the God Emperor by the Media, the DNC, The Universities, Antifa etc. did not work.

[Bonez]

Fine, just don't make out you know what the Russians are up to when you simply cannot have the slightest idea. Or did you see Putin wearing a I just do the twitter bots thing?Nor dose pritch btw.

[pritch]

Whew, that took 172 words utilizing 1095 characters to agree with me - Yes the Russians are interfering :laugh:

Normally I don't see TDL's stuff but you quoted it. TDL has absolutely no understanding of what happened last time and he has learned nothing since. I hope he doesn't work in IT, because IT people should at least be interested enough to find out what's been happening because it could affect them.

The Democrat servers were hacked by Russians and information was released to embarrass the Democrats. This is part of what got Roger Stone in trouble. The Republican servers were likely hacked too, but Putin was taking it easy on them.

The IT guy responsible for maintaining the Democrat server was contacted by the FBI and told that the server had been compromised but he decided that it was one of his mates having him on - and he did nothing. Some IT guys are definitely not very bright.

One false flag operation was run by Russian military intelligence officers out of Moscow. The staff of the office were named in the Mueller report and thirteen were charged although they'll never appear in court.

There was also the Internet Research agency in St Petersburg.

There were pro Trump public meetings held in the USA which were organised from Russia unbeknown to anyone in the USA.

The electronic voting machines are easily hacked, but the electorate laptop which contains all of the results is likely also possibly compromised. The integrity of the election voting systems is typically protected by local body employees and it may well be that Cletus got the job because his uncle is the mayor. Their opponents are professional Russian military intelligence hackers. TDL might be sanguine, but I don't like the odds.

Additionally there are reports around about the techniques used by Facebook. It's actually amazing what they do and how specifically the ads are targeted. They offered both the Democrats and the Republicans the opportunity to use their services, the Republicans accepted, the Democrats thought they could handle their own social media. No they couldn't. Like TDL they had simply no idea. I hope they learned their lesson and I hope they have new IT staff.

[Bonez]

It's obvious the US intelligence apparatus can not be trusted or haven't you figured that out yet? The US disabled a Russian power station so reprisals are to be expected.

[pritch]

In case anyone is interested in the nano targeting used on Facebook there is this. It's from 2018 so it's probably a bit out of date now the speed at which these things move.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/19/facebook-political-ads-social-media-history-online-democracy

[TheDemonLord]

Normally I don't see TDL's stuff but you quoted it. TDL has absolutely no understanding of what happened last time and he has learned nothing since. I hope he doesn't work in IT, because IT people should at least be interested enough to find out what's been happening because it could affect them.

What happened last time was 'blame everything except ourselves' on the part of the DNC. Just like Labour in the UK are currently doing.


The Democrat servers were hacked by Russians and information was released to embarrass the Democrats. This is part of what got Roger Stone in trouble. The Republican servers were likely hacked too, but Putin was taking it easy on them.

To confirm, we are talking about the Email Server incident, yes?

The same one where Private servers that they shouldn't have been operating that existed outside the Auspices of the official Security policy, which is causal to what made them vulnerable to be hacked.

Yes - you were saying how I don't know what I'm talking about?


The IT guy responsible for maintaining the Democrat server was contacted by the FBI and told that the server had been compromised but he decided that it was one of his mates having him on - and he did nothing. Some IT guys are definitely not very bright.

Again, when you are doing something that you shouldn't be - responding to official requests (and implicitly acknowledging that you are doing something you shouldn't be) - is also not a bright idea.

The person in question probably knew they were Boned eitherway and the best option was to do nothing and wait for it to blow over.


One false flag operation was run by Russian military intelligence officers out of Moscow. The staff of the office were named in the Mueller report and thirteen were charged although they'll never appear in court.

There was also the Internet Research agency in St Petersburg.

There were pro Trump public meetings held in the USA which were organised from Russia unbeknown to anyone in the USA.

BUT MUH RUSSIA!!!!! Seriously, let it go. Trump won, the DNC lost and they are going to loose again.


The electronic voting machines are easily hacked, but the electorate laptop which contains all of the results is likely also possibly compromised. The integrity of the election voting systems is typically protected by local body employees and it may well be that Cletus got the job because his uncle is the mayor. Their opponents are professional Russian military intelligence hackers. TDL might be sanguine, but I don't like the odds.

That's quite the bold claim - since you are alleging in effect and unproven mass campaign of Voting Fraud. Doubly tenuous when the DNC themselves have had some rather dubious encounters with busing Voters from state-to-state, using dead people to enroll to vote and need I bring up the Caucus voting scandal for the current DNC Primary?

Me thinks this is the Pot accusing the Fridge of being black....


Additionally there are reports around about the techniques used by Facebook. It's actually amazing what they do and how specifically the ads are targeted. They offered both the Democrats and the Republicans the opportunity to use their services, the Republicans accepted, the Democrats thought they could handle their own social media. No they couldn't. Like TDL they had simply no idea. I hope they learned their lesson and I hope they have new IT staff.

It's not Amazing when you understand how it works.

From an individuals preferences in content you can infer certain things about them - for example, my YT history has things like Forgotten Weapons, various Gaming channels, Motocycling content etc. From that you can infer I'm a Male, my approximate Age bracket, what my likely earning bracket is, and from those initial vectors what other things I'm more inclined to like. From those initial generalizations, by promoting content to me and seeing what I react to, you can further refine your profile of my Likes/Dislikes and more importantly, what my underlying temperament is likely to be. With each iteration this is further refined.

But even then, what you are arguing (in essence) is a Marketing Campaign was the decisive factor. Whereas the fact that Hillary was Awful was more of a factor, the fact that Trump targetted Swing voters, the fact that the voter base saw through the entitled Arrogance of Hillary and the DNC.

To quote JBP when asked on this: "I'd have gone into the booth with the intention of voting for Hillary and then at the last second decided 'screw it' and voted for Trump"

[TheDemonLord]

Fine, just don't make out you know what the Russians are up to when you simply cannot have the slightest idea. Or did you see Putin wearing a I just do the twitter bots thing?

I never said I knew what the Russians were doing, I said that assuming they are doing everything that you claim they are doing, the IMPACT compared to other known factors is minimal.

The burden of proof is to demonstrate that a deliberate online marketing campaign (which is essentially what this can be thought of as) would have a significant impact on Voting behavior.

We know it did not - as with every other US election since way back when ~50% of the voters voted Trump and ~50% of the voters voted Hillary. The difference was in where those Votes were cast - Hillary had most of hers in Democrat strongholds, whereas Trump had a significant proportion in Swing States.

[onearmedbandit]

On the very subject of election vote tampering.

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[sugilite]

I never said I knew what the Russians are doing, I said that assuming they are doing everything that you claim they are doing,
Oh pray, do show me where I claimed what the Russians were doing outside of a general "they are interfering" statement? You are pretty much arguing with yourself there - don't set your straw man self on fire now :laugh:



Nor dose pritch btw.

I see what you did there - invoking the 7 year old drunk. However, not my first rodeo, so try harder :msn-wink:
Hard to not notice how the right wing snowflakes here have a real boner for Pritch, which is kind of amusing as he is nowhere as far to the left as the right wing snowflakes are to the loony fringe right :laugh:

[TheDemonLord]

Oh pray, do show me where I claimed what the Russians were doing outside of a general "they are interfering" statement? You are pretty much arguing with yourself there - don't set your straw man self on fire now :laugh:

That was the royal usage of You again, and yes, I should have labelled it as such. Perhaps a Gentlemans agreement, I'll try to be clearly when I am referring to you yourself and you the generalized form and in return you yourself will read it with a charitable interpretation.

The over-arching point I'm making is, assuming they are doing everything that is being claimed of them, the influence is negligible.

OAB's vid, on the otherhand, was quite interesting - I'm not sure the numbers given are accurate (2 million additional votes out of 129 million votes though is less then 2%, I'd like to know how that number was derived and how it was controlled for) - but none-the-less it fits in with a general theme of soft-censorship by Large Tech companies against Conservatives.

And before there are calls of 'Hypocrite' - even if the numbers are accurate, the fact that Trump still won shows that the overall election process is more robust than Russian or Silicon Valley Meddling. On top of that - Exterior influence (AKA Hacking) is not nearly as effective as Internal Influence (AKA Corporate Policy)

[pritch]

I see what you did there - invoking the 7 year old drunk.

I seem to recall Bonez commenting that he had experience writing safety manuals? I wonder what language he wrote them in, it obviously wasn't English.

[husaberg]

Normally I don't see TDL's stuff but you quoted it. TDL has absolutely no understanding of what happened last time and he has learned nothing since. I hope he doesn't work in IT, because IT people should at least be interested enough to find out what's been happening because it could affect them.

The Democrat servers were hacked by Russians and information was released to embarrass the Democrats. This is part of what got Roger Stone in trouble. The Republican servers were likely hacked too, but Putin was taking it easy on them.

The IT guy responsible for maintaining the Democrat server was contacted by the FBI and told that the server had been compromised but he decided that it was one of his mates having him on - and he did nothing. Some IT guys are definitely not very bright.

One false flag operation was run by Russian military intelligence officers out of Moscow. The staff of the office were named in the Mueller report and thirteen were charged although they'll never appear in court.

There was also the Internet Research agency in St Petersburg.

There were pro Trump public meetings held in the USA which were organised from Russia unbeknown to anyone in the USA.

The electronic voting machines are easily hacked, but the electorate laptop which contains all of the results is likely also possibly compromised. The integrity of the election voting systems is typically protected by local body employees and it may well be that Cletus got the job because his uncle is the mayor. Their opponents are professional Russian military intelligence hackers. TDL might be sanguine, but I don't like the odds.

Additionally there are reports around about the techniques used by Facebook. It's actually amazing what they do and how specifically the ads are targeted. They offered both the Democrats and the Republicans the opportunity to use their services, the Republicans accepted, the Democrats thought they could handle their own social media. No they couldn't. Like TDL they had simply no idea. I hope they learned their lesson and I hope they have new IT staff.
Not only that there was a serries of suspicious information releases from hacks at times that were highly beneficial to Trump


"The bombshell dropped on the Washington Post’s website just after 4 p.m.: a video of Donald Trump, in 2005, using extremely vulgar language to describe women, detailing his attempt to bed a married woman and bragging that he can grope women because he is a celebrity. Less than an hour later, Wikileaks published more than 2,000 emails from what appeared to be the personal account of the chairman of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign."

I wouldn't bother with TDL he also claims to know more about security that the State department and FBI, more about the US law that the US supreme court judges do, Not to mention, more about the law than any lawyer............
If his delusions of grandeur were .02% higher, you could shorten his penis by 4 inches and change his name to Steve.

[TheDemonLord]

I wouldn't bother with TDL he also claims to know more about security that the State department and FBI, Not to mention more about the US law that the US supreme court judges do,Not to mention, more about the law than any lawyer............
If his delusions of grandeur were .02% higher, you could shorten his penis by 4 inches and change is name to Steve.

It's funny - cause I've never claimed that, and considering Husaberg's memory on what I've actually said is poor at best.

The actual statement was that in every Organization I've worked at (Corporate or otherwise) - Deliberately bypassing the Security Policy is grounds for Instant Dismissal.

No Ifs, Buts or Maybes. Gone.

Then there was a discussion about the difference between Cloud-based providers being default Secure (such as O365 as an example) vs a locally setup Server.

I then said that the US Government will have something in it's internal policies (so not 'law') around bypassing of IT Security, which Hillary clearly is in violation of. And given the above, at the very least she should have been drummed out of the Government and at worst, she should be brought up on charges (whether they be of Negligence or simply compromising US security)

The other stuff is because Husa can't distinguish between someone crossing a border illegal to permanently live in a country and crossing the border illegally, with no intention of living or working there. It is not to condone crossing a border illegally, but simply to state that there is a difference.

But I digress - I'm sure both of you will have a big, congratulatory circle jerk, whilst loudly (and often) proclaiming that 'I don't see TDL's posts' (whilst referencing the content of them repeatedly) and further affirm how good and noble you all are in your respective Echo Chamber.

[pritch]

Thinking of the US response to a potential pandemic, and the less than confidence inspiring response of the Health Department here, I was talking to my Doctor this morning. He said GP practices are trying to obtain some masks but all the usual sources of masks are sold out. He did find some at an unusual source. He said the Health Department are holding stocks of protective clothing to be released to GPs if the shit hits the fan.

He also told me that the plan is, in the event you get sick, you'll go to specially designated reporting centres. You don't go to your GP, they don't want all the GPs laid low.

At least it's comforting that someone has actually been thinking about it.

Casting my mind back to when there was pandemic training at work last time there was a threat, the plan was for everybody to go to work as normal. That struck me as a bit off. I'd have thought run the office with a skeleton staff and send people out on jobs from their homes as necessary rather than bring everybody into contact with everybody else.

I see that Trump didn't hand Tony the arse card for contradicting him, but Tony must clear all future public comments with Mike Pence. That basically means that unless it's good news it will lie stillborn on Pence's desk.

Trump is running scared, he has crippled the disaster response organisations in the US, and if the virus becomes a pandemic he will be responsible for the result. That may be why he put Pence, who is absolutely unqualified, in charge of it. If it is a disaster he'll blame Pence.

Cross your fingers...

[Bonez]

https://www.turleytalks.com/videos/trump-approval-soars-to-52-as-massive-number-of-dems-leave-the-democrat-party?utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=84005176&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8-7It4FfX0dA0hMDshGnqvDiLtXPlteR0zmt0o3GrQjKI-5lfiPGl4ojS-90cIVY9B_TYvwLKWTFTzOh41K3H3gVOpsQ&_hsmi=84005176

[mashman]

On the very subject of election vote tampering.

The radio started it, ban radio! The US has an interesting history when it comes to vote tampering. I remember watching a doco on the ways that voting machines could be "rigged" and how votes could be shaved to swing a result ones way without alerting anyone... until it was pointed out that these things were happening. No Russians getting their bots out, just some entity with the capacity to shift election results at will no matter who or what other entities interfere. As such, the only place to land the blame for anything is everywhere but where the blame is clearly evidenced to lie. "All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peace makers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.".

[Katman]

Cross your fingers...

Ok, Chicken Little.

:facepalm:

[onearmedbandit]

Pritch I’m interested in your opinion on the video I posted. What say you on the accusations that google were involved in tampering with the 2016 election?

[husaberg]

Pritch I’m interested in your opinion on the video I posted. What say you on the accusations that google were involved in tampering with the 2016 election?

Not Pritch but i will bite

Epstein is a senior research psychologist at the American Institute for Behavioral Research, but other than a technologist who doesn’t appear to help with the studies, Epstein is the organization’s only staff member

That was the study Epstein described in his Senate committee testimony, where he didn’t mention that his huge claim is based on monitoring the search results of just 21 undecided voters out of 95 voters for a 2017 white paper. In his submitted testimony, Epstein did provide seven pages of citations—but all of them are papers or op-eds he wrote or co-wrote himself. Only one of them—a 2015 paper in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, about how biased results produced by search engines could have the ability to sway undecided voters—was peer-reviewed. Even that study didn’t demonstrate that this has actually happened.
https://aibrt.org/downloads/EPSTEIN_&_ROBERTSON_2017-A_Method_for_Detecting_Bias_in_Search_Rankings-AIBRT_WP-17-02_6-1-17.pdf
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The Epstein meme typifies this dynamic. A pop psychologist and cable-news regular, he regularly publishes op-eds in conservative outlets like the Epoch Times and the Daily Caller, as well as the occasional piece in Politico or USA Today. He once appeared on The O’Reilly Factor to explain why he thinks teens should be treated as adults (in a book on that topic, he argued in favor of corporal punishment), and on a Fox News morning show in 2008, he argued in favor of teens getting married, pointing out that “Mary was 12 or 13 when she had Jesus, was she not?”

[Bonez]

What are the original sources Husaburck? Hell yeah I'm all for corporal punishment.

[onearmedbandit]

Not Pritch but i will bite

You’re right, you're not Pritch. But you still served my purpose. Which was to point out that each side has its beliefs, and each opposing side has its reasons to tear down those beliefs. We’re all fed information from sites/camps/journalists etc that fit our views but no one (at least here) has any first hand info, only info they’ve been fed. Which makes this thread and many like it very pointless. But amusing to see people get hot under the collar about their ‘beliefs’.

[sugilite]

It's funny - cause I've never claimed that, and considering Husaberg's memory on what I've actually said is poor at best.

Pot, Kettle Black :killingme



Pritch I’m interested in your opinion on the video I posted. What say you on the accusations that google were involved in tampering with the 2016 election?
Also not pritch, saw what Husa said. All interesting. I would say that Google parent company being the largest Hillary donor, hell yes they did it. No way in my opinion you could put a percentage on it though.

[onearmedbandit]

Also not pritch, saw what Husa said. All interesting. I would say that Google parent company being the largest Hillary donor, hell yes they did it. No way in my opinion you could put a percentage on it though.

Exactly. I doubt there is anyone in American politics (for that is what we are discussing) without dirty hands. Also agree about putting numbers on it.

[husaberg]

You’re right, you're not Pritch. But you still served my purpose. Which was to point out that each side has its beliefs, and each opposing side has its reasons to tear down those beliefs. We’re all fed information from sites/camps/journalists etc that fit our views but no one (at least here) has any first hand info, only info they’ve been fed. Which makes this thread and many like it very pointless. But amusing to see people get hot under the collar about their ‘beliefs’.

So its only a belief of mine that the facts are the guy has it seems, based all his claims without apparently any scientific or statistical or even credible basis, rather than a logical assessment of the facts of the situation?
How about you debunk what i posted. If its an opinion that's' only a belief. it will be easily debunked.
You posted the video,did you actually check the basis for his claims first or just accept them at face value Fraser......
Also What you seem to miss is even if they did Google is a private company, they can push or not push whatever product they want. Its not a government organisation.
The NRA hyped Trump, as did the KKK and FOX and a number of other organisations.

[onearmedbandit]

So its only a belief of mine that the facts are the guy has no credible basis to make the claims rather than a logical assessment of the facts of the situation.
How about you debunk what i posted. If its an opinion.
Also What you seem to miss is Google is a private company they can push or not push whatever product they want. Its not a government organisation.
The NRA hyped Trump as did the KKK and FOX and a number of other organisations.

Nope I didn't miss anything, but you, well you completely missed my point.


You posted the video ,did you actually check the baisis for his claims first or just accept them at face value Fraser......

Added this bit in as you edited your post after I quoted it. I'm struggling to comprehend that I have to explain this, but I didn't post that video because I believed or even cared about what his claims were. I deliberately sought out that video to elicit a response. I got it (from you), explained my position in response (see post #8331) and you still carried on without paying any attention.

[Bonez]

So its only a belief of mine that the facts are the guy has no credible basis to make the claims rather than a logical assessment of the facts of the situation.
How about you debunk what i posted. If its an opinion.
Also What you seem to miss is Google is a private company they can push or not push whatever product they want. Its not a government organisation.
The NRA hyped Trump as did the KKK and FOX and a number of other organisations.You aren't supplying the sources ie links to back up these claims.Just cut n paste with pretty bold bits. It's not up to us to hunt google to debunk them. It's up to you to proove where those claims came from.

pritch is ignoring OAB question. No dought he'll put him on ignor momentarily. It's a habit of his to folk who have debunked many of his wild claims.

As OAB rightly stated there is no point in this thread. Trump was elected the US president and you all need to build a bridge an get over it.

[husaberg]

Nope I didn't miss anything, but you, well you completely missed my point.



Added this bit in as you edited your post after I quoted it. I'm struggling to comprehend that I have to explain this, but I didn't post that video because I believed or even cared about what his claims were. I deliberately sought out that video to elicit a response. I got it (from you), explained my position in response (see post #8331) and you still carried on without paying any attention.

You sound like Oldie when he gets questioned about why he posts endless racist crap about jews.
Show some guts Fraser, does the study seem to stack up on a statistical or scientific basis or not?
Whilst you might claim to be posting as a devils advocate, simply the devils in the detail.
Let alone the limited stats he used and the flawed nontransparent unscientific methodology.
Does the author for instance declare his apparent conflict of interest if not all out bias against google?

from early 2012 points to a tiff the psychologist had with the company after his website was hacked. Google directed visitors not to go to his page until the malicious code was removed—and kept the warning up even after Epstein tried, apparently unsuccessfully, to clean up his security and begged Google to remove the label. Epstein threatened to sue the company for not removing the warning, explaining to the Times that he felt like he was yelling at a brick wall. Later that year, he published a series of articles in the Huffington Post about why Google should be regulated. For the next few years, he began to publish more regularly about how easily Google could throw an election,

[onearmedbandit]

You sound like Oldie when he gets questioned about why he posts endless racist crap about jews.
Show some guts Fraser does the study seem to stack up on a statistical or scientific basis or not.
Whilst you might claim to be posting as a devils advocate, simply the devils in the detail.
Does the author for instance declare his apparent conflict of interest if not all out bias against google.

That's right, I was posting as the devils advocate. But you won't want to admit that because of the hole you dug for yourself.

Now I'll make this real simple for you. Calling me out over something that I've stated I care nothing about is ridiculous but I guess all you can go with as you've dug that hole too deep already. I've stated many times previously both here and elsewhere that I have no political interest in either the Democrats or Republicans. Maybe I should as America's politics do have an effect on the world stage. But I don't. However I do have an interest in human behaviour and the election of Trump has made for some very interesting observations. I've seen friends fall out with each other over their 'facts' that each of them can disprove of the other. Facts they got from new sources that spins stories to suit agendas.

Want my opinion on Trump? His hair is crazy. That's as far as it goes, because that's what I can see with my own eyes. The rest of it I'm being told by someone with an agenda, good or bad.

[husaberg]

That's right, I was posting as the devils advocate. But you won't want to admit that because of the hole you dug for yourself.

Now I'll make this real simple for you. Calling me out over something that I've stated I care nothing about is ridiculous but I guess all you can go with as you've dug that hole too deep already. I've stated many times previously both here and elsewhere that I have no political interest in either the Democrats or Republicans. Maybe I should as America's politics do have an effect on the world stage. But I don't. However I do have an interest in human behaviour and the election of Trump has made for some very interesting observations. I've seen friends fall out with each other over their 'facts' that each of them can disprove of the other. Facts they got from new sources that spins stories to suit agendas.

Want my opinion on Trump? His hair is crazy. That's as far as it goes, because that's what I can see with my own eyes. The rest of it I'm being told by someone with an agenda, good or bad.

You were the one caught out, you claimed it was a mater of perspective to what the truth of the situation in the video you solely choose to portray was, Yet the reason you refuse to answer the questions, i have put to you, is you were clearly did not check the video first. if your claims had any validity, you could provide an unbiased account of both sides and weigh up the facts. The facts will stand for themselves, beliefs are different
i never asked for your opinion on trump. Nor do i care.
You can act as condescending as you like fraser, None of that will change the fact you cant stump up with facts when pressed

[onearmedbandit]

You were the one caught out, you claimed it was a mater of perspective to what the truth of the situation in the video you solely choose to portray was, Yet the reason you refuse to answer the question i have put to you is you were clearly did check the video first. if your claims had any validity you could providean unbiased account of both sides andweigh up the facts.

Ok I'm trying to understand what you wrote there but there are a few syntax and spelling errors there.

You're making up a reason for me not answering a question that I've already explained to you has no relevance. If I cared enough to be involved in this argument for one side or the other I would make a claim when putting up a video like that. Instead I didn't, I asked pritch what his take was on it. Why? Because I wanted to see his response.

You make too many assumptions, and when people refute these assumptions you refuse to accept that and make even more assumptions. Relax a little, take your time before posting (it might help with making more coherent posts) and just realise some things might not be the way you perceive them to be.

[husaberg]

Ok I'm trying to understand what you wrote there but there are a few syntax and spelling errors there.

You're making up a reason for me not answering a question that I've already explained to you has no relevance. If I cared enough to be involved in this argument for one side or the other I would make a claim when putting up a video like that. Instead I didn't, I asked pritch what his take was on it. Why? Because I wanted to see his response.

You make too many assumptions, and when people refute these assumptions you refuse to accept that and make even more assumptions. Relax a little, take your time before posting (it might help with making more coherent posts) and just realise some things might not be the way you perceive them to be.

you're an egg fraser .
Answer the questions or slink off.
Actually just do both.

[onearmedbandit]

youre an egg fraser .
Answer the questions or slink off.

I've got no reason to do either.

I've made my position quite clear, if that doesn't work for you well sorry not sorry I'm under no obligation to change that position just to make it suit what you want.

[Bonez]

Might be time to close this thread as it pollutes KB far too much.

[Grumph]

By all means can this thread. I'll open one on the 2020 US elections. In which we can discuss Russia's ongoing interference in elections worldwide, the Republicans gerrymandering and why the world would be a better place without Trump...

OAB says he has no interest in politics, fair enough - but you should. What happens in the US affects NZ directly and indirectly. The abortion row happening at present in the US has it's echoes here now. Talk to your wives and daughters to see how they feel about losing basic rights hard fought for.
The right wing nutters here have been emboldened - not a term I like but it's accurate - by Trump. The next shooting victim could be you or yours. Are you happy with that ? The mosque shootings here can be directly linked to the rise of Trump. QED.

Polluted ? Only by some of the nutters who post in it.

[Katman]

By all means can this thread. I'll open one on the 2020 US elections. In which we can discuss Russia's ongoing interference in elections worldwide, the Republicans gerrymandering and why the world would be a better place without Trump...

Russia's interference in elections worldwide would still be a distant second to America's interference in elections worldwide.

[Bonez]

This thread should have been canned as soon as Trump was elected. It's achieved absolutelly nothing since it's inception. It's just an extension of PD.


I'd prefer any thread involving politics. apart from m/c related stuff, imediately got struck down like they do over at AdvRider.

[oldrider]

This thread should have been canned as soon as Trump was elected. It's achieved absolutelly nothing since it's inception. It's just an extension of PD.


I'd prefer any thread involving politics. apart from m/c related stuff, imediately got struck down like they do over at AdvRider.

Nothing stopping you from going back over to adv rider then is there? - Take the burk with you - Problem solved. :msn-wink:

[mashman]

Might be time to close this thread as it pollutes KB far too much.

It ain't the thread that's the issue. Fixed (neutered) minds don't change.

[Bonez]

Nothing stopping you from going back over to adv rider then is there? - Take the burk with you - Problem solved. :msn-wink:
I'm trying my hardest lol.

[Bonez]

It ain't the thread that's the issue. Fixed (neutered) minds don't change.Absolutely spot on. They just close there eye and say nah nah I can't see your post.

They go on about my spelling yet at times are just as bad. Have your head hit by Macchi 339 copopy come down on your head, locking mech had failed, from 1.5mts norrowly missing a locating spiget 3" long and about 1/2" in dia after you have finished an independent inspection on Martin Baker ejection seats and come out of it not altered in some way. I was lucky the mob keep me on full term plus a three year extension. Also I'm gratefull that I can still ride.

[pritch]

Pritch I’m interested in your opinion on the video I posted. What say you on the accusations that google were involved in tampering with the 2016 election?

I'd seen that back when it came out. I don't much like Rafael (call me Ted) Cruz, a latino who got himself elected as a white supremacist senator in Texas which, to give him credit, is a good trick. He is very flexible though, Trump said Cruz's wife was ugly, and that his father worked for Castro against the US, but Cruz is happy now to kiss Trump's arse.

Having said all that, I know nothing against his witness so have to assume he is telling the truth. Cambridge Analytica*, Facebook, and Google too, they're all at it and there are no controls on what they are doing and that's even before you get to the Russians. And the Bulgarian kids?

I listened to a podcast detailing of how Facebook operated and it really is amazing the precision of their targeting and how they press people's buttons.

It's scary shit.


* Cambridge Analytica has gone now but the same people are doing the same things for Emerdata.

[mashman]

Absolutely spot on. They just close there eye and say nah nah I can't see your post.

Why do I see a ball of fucking string....... anyhoo, entertaining the possibility that one is wrong doesn't manifest well in some, especially when the majority of society are banging the same drum. Tis safer to walk with the crowd, and safer still to ignore it all entirely :shifty:........


They go on about my spelling yet at times are just as bad. Have your head hit by Macchi 339 copopy copme down on your head from 1.5mts norrowly missing a locating spiget 3" long and about 1/2" in dia after you have finished an independent inspection on Martin Baker ejection seats and come out of it not altered in some way. I was lucky the mob keep me on full term plus a three year extension. Also I'm gratefull that I can still ride.

Do I need to find you a hurt feelings form? (maybe go smack yer head again, it might fix you)

[pritch]

I'd written that last post before I'd read Husaberg's which modifies my view of Epstein. Otherwise it stays the same.

[Bonez]

Do I need to find you a hurt feelings form? (maybe go smack yer head again, it might fix you)Connie tried that with a frying pan but didn't help unfortunately.

[husaberg]

I've got no reason to do either.

I've made my position quite clear, if that doesn't work for you well sorry not sorry I'm under no obligation to change that position just to make it suit what you want.

You are confusing the words reason with ability.
You simply refuse to answer the questions as it makes you look like a hypocrite.
The example you used is a perfect example of entirely false narrative being peddled as science and manipulated that has basically zero corroborating evidence.
I will break it down for you
It was a study done by one man https://aibrt.org/downloads/EPSTEIN_&_ROBERTSON_2017-A_Method_for_Detecting_Bias_in_Search_Rankings-AIBRT_WP-17-02_6-1-17.pdf
From basically a one man organisation https://aibrt.org/index.php/people
Carried out using 21 people as a subject group with apparently no control group either. https://aibrt.org/downloads/EPSTEIN_&_ROBERTSON_2017-A_Method_for_Detecting_Bias_in_Search_Rankings-AIBRT_WP-17-02_6-1-17.pdf
Carried out by someone With a long history of not liking google, where he didn't declare that possible bias either.https://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/one-mans-fight-with-google-over-a-security-warning/ https://medium.com/@re_53711/fake-news-is-a-fake-problem-914d7ffc7a91
Using a secret methodology he refuses to produce in the study. One which apparently never considered that google uses a algorithm to bases result on what it detects the user whats to find based on previous searches and results.
https://aibrt.org/downloads/EPSTEIN_&_ROBERTSON_2017-A_Method_for_Detecting_Bias_in_Search_Rankings-AIBRT_WP-17-02_6-1-17.pdf
Giving a results that was never peer reviewed in all but one of 15 of his papers
A result other scientist suggest is not creditable.https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/08/trump-epstein-google-searches/ https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-google-search-bias-elections-20190322-story.html https://medium.com/@re_53711/fake-news-is-a-fake-problem-914d7ffc7a91

Your position is not that of devils advocate, its of KB troll.
I dont agree with basically anything at all that Katman says, Yet of late i are certainly getting the idea hes probably right about you Fraser.

[Katman]

I dont agree with basically anything at all that Katman says, Yet of late i are certainly getting the idea hes probably right about you Fraser.

Wow, that's quite some fixation you've got going there.

[Bonez]

You are confusing the words reason with ability.
You simply refuse to answer the questions as it makes you look like a hypocrite.
The example you used is a perfect example of entirely false narrative being peddled as science and manipulated that has basically zero corroborating evidence.
I will break it down for you
It was a study done by one man https://aibrt.org/downloads/EPSTEIN_&_ROBERTSON_2017-A_Method_for_Detecting_Bias_in_Search_Rankings-AIBRT_WP-17-02_6-1-17.pdf
From basically a one man organisation https://aibrt.org/index.php/people
Carried out using 21 people as a subject group with apparently no control group either. https://aibrt.org/downloads/EPSTEIN_&_ROBERTSON_2017-A_Method_for_Detecting_Bias_in_Search_Rankings-AIBRT_WP-17-02_6-1-17.pdf
Carried out by someone With a long history of not liking google, where he didn't declare that possible bias either.https://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/one-mans-fight-with-google-over-a-security-warning/
Using a secret methodology he refuses to produce in the study. One which apparently never considered that google uses a algorithm to bases result on what it detects the user whats to find based on previous searches and results.
https://aibrt.org/downloads/EPSTEIN_&_ROBERTSON_2017-A_Method_for_Detecting_Bias_in_Search_Rankings-AIBRT_WP-17-02_6-1-17.pdf
Giving a results that was never peer reviewed in all but one of 15 of his papers
A result other scientist suggest is not creditable.https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/08/trump-epstein-google-searches/ https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-google-search-bias-elections-20190322-story.html

Your position is not that of devils advocate, its of KB troll.
I dont agree with basically anything at all that Katman says, Yet of late i are certainly getting the idea hes probably right about you Fraser.Wow did you have an extension put on? Now OAB is living in your head.


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[Katman]

Using a secret methodology he refuses to produce in the study.

Yet that's ok when NIST does it.

[onearmedbandit]

And he still doesn't get it...

[Katman]

And he still doesn't get it...

Don't hold your breath.

[pritch]

A bit more on Senator Rafael Eduardo (Ted) Cruz from today's news, it seems he went after Alexandria Ocasio Cortez which was something of a mismatch. AOC majored in economics and international relations and was awarded a prize for a microbiology science project at MIT.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/28/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-ted-cruz-coronavirus

[husaberg]

On the very subject of election vote tampering.


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What say you on the accusations that google were involved in tampering with the 2016 election?


Which was to point out that each side has its beliefs, and each opposing side has its reasons to tear down those beliefs. We’re all fed information from sites/camps/journalists etc that fit our views but no one (at least here) has any first hand info, only info they’ve been fed. .


So its only a belief of mine that the facts are the guy has it seems, based all his claims without apparently any scientific or statistical or even credible basis, rather than a logical assessment of the facts of the situation?
How about you debunk what i posted. If its an opinion that's' only "a belief". it will be easily debunked..
Insert cricket noises...........and back peddling a distraction a few condescending platitudes and a narcissistic rep comment.

You are confusing the words reason with ability.
You simply refuse to answer the questions as it makes you look like a hypocrite.
The example you used is a perfect example of entirely false narrative being peddled as science and manipulated that has basically zero corroborating evidence.
I will break it down for you
It was a study done by one man https://aibrt.org/downloads/EPSTEIN_&_ROBERTSON_2017-A_Method_for_Detecting_Bias_in_Search_Rankings-AIBRT_WP-17-02_6-1-17.pdf
From basically a one man organisation https://aibrt.org/index.php/people
Carried out using 21 people as a subject group with apparently no control group either. https://aibrt.org/downloads/EPSTEIN_&_ROBERTSON_2017-A_Method_for_Detecting_Bias_in_Search_Rankings-AIBRT_WP-17-02_6-1-17.pdf
Carried out by someone With a long history of not liking google, where he didn't declare that possible bias either.https://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/01/05/one-mans-fight-with-google-over-a-security-warning/ https://medium.com/@re_53711/fake-news-is-a-fake-problem-914d7ffc7a91
Using a secret methodology he refuses to produce in the study. One which apparently never considered that google uses a algorithm to bases result on what it detects the user whats to find based on previous searches and results.
https://aibrt.org/downloads/EPSTEIN_&_ROBERTSON_2017-A_Method_for_Detecting_Bias_in_Search_Rankings-AIBRT_WP-17-02_6-1-17.pdf
Giving a results that was never peer reviewed in all but one of 15 of his papers
A result other scientist suggest is not creditable.https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/08/trump-epstein-google-searches/ https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-google-search-bias-elections-20190322-story.html https://medium.com/@re_53711/fake-news-is-a-fake-problem-914d7ffc7a91

I have first hand knowledge i read his report, its swiss cheese and smells funky, you just refuse to admit that the example you used was utter garbage.

[Bonez]

I have first hand knowledge i read his report, its swiss cheese and smells funky, you just refuse to admit that the example you used was utter garbage.You don't bath/shower often do you?

[Bonez]

A bit more on Senator Rafael Eduardo (Ted) Cruz from today's news, it seems he went after Alexandria Ocasio Cortez which was something of a mismatch. AOC majored in economics and international relations and was awarded a prize for a microbiology science project at MIT.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/feb/28/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-ted-cruz-coronavirusAnd cries at the gates of empty parking lots.

[onearmedbandit]

Insert cricket noises...........and back peddling a distraction a few condescending platitudes and a narcissistic rep comment.

I have first hand knowledge i read his report, its swiss cheese and smells funky, you just refuse to admit that the example you used was utter garbage.

Ok this is the last time I play this game with you. It’s tiring.

I didn’t post that video because I believed his claims.
I didn’t post it because I thought it was factual or otherwise.
I don’t care about his research or lack thereof.
I don’t care if it’s biased, blatant lies or misrepresentation. I don’t care if it’s true.

I posted it to illustrate that there are many different views and opinions out there and that a thread like this is ultimately going nowhere.

So by all means research it as much as you like, dispute it all you want. I don’t care. It’s not why I posted it.

So you understand that yet? Don’t answer as I already know the answer. Now bye bye.

[sugilite]

This thread should have been canned as soon as Trump was elected. It's achieved absolutelly nothing since it's inception. It's just an extension of PD.


I'd prefer any thread involving politics. apart from m/c related stuff, imediately got struck down like they do over at AdvRider.
What a pointless post, this thread is not the hotel California. You can leave.

[FJRider]

I have quoted embedded media. Would some kind Mod please give me the punishment I deserve ???

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[pritch]

What a pointless post, this thread is not the hotel California. You can leave.

Nice reference, I'd have given you green but I gotta share the love. Now I've got Joe Walsh playing his Les Paul in my ear.

[Katman]

Nice reference, I'd have given you green but I gotta share the love.

I've always wondered why people feel the need to announce that.

[Bonez]

I've always wondered why people feel the need to announce that.Its a kind of back patting thing much like annoucing you have put someone on ignore.:tugger:

[Katman]

Its a kind of back patting thing much like annoucing you have put someone on ignore.:tugger:

Yes, I see the connection.

[Bonez]

What a pointless post, this thread is not the hotel California. You can leave.Hotel KB Doc.

[mashman]

Connie tried that with a frying pan but didn't help unfortunately.

Awwwwwwww, that's love right there. I hope she cooked you some eggs as a consolation.

[Bonez]

Nice reference, I'd have given you green but I gotta share the love. Now I've got Joe Walsh playing his Les Paul in my ear.Records show you, Adam Shift and Jeffery Epstein shared a room at the Standard Hotal.

[husaberg]

Ok this is the last time I play this game with you. It’s tiring.

I didn’t post that video because I believed his claims.
I didn’t post it because I thought it was factual or otherwise.
I don’t care about his research or lack thereof.
I don’t care if it’s biased, blatant lies or misrepresentation. I don’t care if it’s true.

I posted it to illustrate that there are many different views and opinions out there and that a thread like this is ultimately going nowhere.

So by all means research it as much as you like, dispute it all you want. I don’t care. It’s not why I posted it.

So you understand that yet? Don’t answer as I already know the answer. Now bye bye.

So you you have answered all the questions i never asked, that's awesome.....
How about you answer the ones i have asked for a change.
You posted the video as you claimed it was soley to be provocative and prove your point about how both sides had their beliefs only.
I posted the facts to show to any reasonable adult that the video was in fact a shoddy piece of biased conspiracy pop culture no actual credible scientific basis.
So your claims to be an example of people on both sides being fooled by just choosing to believe information proved that complies with their conformation bias was utterly pathetic.
The fact are, you dont want to discuss how the information i presented is not based in any way on beliefs, but simple science and simple facts. As it doesn't suit the point you were claimed to make.

just to prove my point OAB shows his utter hypocracy a week later


A survey of 737 beer drinkers doesn't really represent America. No doubt some of those 737 voted Trump, no doubt some of them voted Clinton. But still only 737 people isn't indicative of anything.

https://ktla.com/news/nationworld/survey-nearly-40-of-americans-wont-buy-corona-under-any-circumstances-because-of-coronavirus-outbreak/

clearly OAB dismissing a survey 737 people not representing 100 million is only a belief especially if a survey or 21 cant be challlanged for any reason other than a belief.

[oldrider]

So you you have answered all the questions i never asked, that's awesome.....
How about you answer the ones i have for a change.
You posted the video as you claimed it was soley to be provocative and prove your point about how both sides had their beliefs only.
I posted the facts to show to any reasonable adult that the video was in fact a shoddy piece of biased conspiracy pop culture no actual credible scientific basis.
So your claims to be an example of people on both sides being fooled by just choosing to believe information proved that complies with their conformation bias was utterly pathetic.
The fact are, you dont want to discuss how the information i presented is not based in any way on beliefs, but simple science and simple facts. As it doesn't suit the point you were claimed to make.

Robbie Burns (Poet) springs to mind:- "Would that God the gift to give us to see ourselves as others see us" :whistle:

[husaberg]

Robbie Burns (Poet) springs to mind:- "Would that God the gift to give us to see ourselves as others see us" :whistle:

It's unlike you to bring religion into a discussion Rabbi...........

[Bonez]

It's unlike you to bring religion into a discussion Rabbi...........Oh the irony.

[TheDemonLord]

So you you have answered all the questions i never asked, that's awesome.....
How about you answer the ones i have asked for a change.
You posted the video as you claimed it was soley to be provocative and prove your point about how both sides had their beliefs only.
I posted the facts to show to any reasonable adult that the video was in fact a shoddy piece of biased conspiracy pop culture no actual credible scientific basis.
So your claims to be an example of people on both sides being fooled by just choosing to believe information proved that complies with their conformation bias was utterly pathetic.
The fact are, you dont want to discuss how the information i presented is not based in any way on beliefs, but simple science and simple facts. As it doesn't suit the point you were claimed to make.

The Husa doth protest too much....

The more you proclaim your Facts, Evidence and Righteousness, the more you prove the point that OAB was making.

OAB is under no obligation to answer any questions because his point was about the character of the people making the Argument, not the veracity of the facts in the debate.

What makes this hilarious is that OAB has outright stated what his point was, why he posted what he did and how your reaction to it is proof of said point. And yet you continue to argue against it, not realising the more you argue against it, the more you vindicate his initial premise.

I've gotta say - It's been a while since I've seen such a masterful troll - well played OAB.

[Berries]

Oh the irony.
Why do you keep posting that picture of a pensioner next to a shitty old nail? Is it an ADV rider thing?

[Bonez]

Why do you keep posting that picture of a pensioner next to a shitty old nail? Is it an ADV rider thing?The burk has a thing about my hight.

[oldrider]

Every US election year has a disease:- :doctor: https://twitter.com/Mythbus87686284/status/1233781004734693376?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow% 7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - Working in tandem with 5G? - :msn-wink:

[onearmedbandit]

The Husa doth protest too much....

The more you proclaim your Facts, Evidence and Righteousness, the more you prove the point that OAB was making.

OAB is under no obligation to answer any questions because his point was about the character of the people making the Argument, not the veracity of the facts in the debate.

What makes this hilarious is that OAB has outright stated what his point was, why he posted what he did and how your reaction to it is proof of said point. And yet you continue to argue against it, not realising the more you argue against it, the more you vindicate his initial premise.

I've gotta say - It's been a while since I've seen such a masterful troll - well played OAB.

Thanks but I can not take the credit by myself, none of this would have been possible without the effort put in by husa himself, the research he did, the googling, the furiously tapped out responses. Which is even more amazing when you consider the original post wasn't even directed at him. But he picked up that ball and took it under his arm and started sprinting full steam towards the goal line. Unfortunately in all his excitement he didn't realise it was his own goal line despite me blowing the whistle numerous times.

[husaberg]

Thanks but I can not take the credit by myself, none of this would have been possible without the effort put in by husa himself, the research he did, the googling, the furiously tapped out responses. Which is even more amazing when you consider the original post wasn't even directed at him. But he picked up that ball and took it under his arm and started sprinting full steam towards the goal line. Unfortunately in all his excitement he didn't realise it was his own goal line despite me blowing the whistle numerous times.

Yeah of course, run with that story as its far more convincing than you did produce a simply stupid example and get caught out. Or the other two excuses you had already posted previously.
Seriously Fraser all your example was proved was you dont know shit about the subject, no amount of a dutch rudder from Steve and the stupid pom is going to change that.

[Bonez]

Yeah of course run with that story as its far more convincing than you did produce a simply stupid example and get caught out.
Seriously Fraser all your example was proved was you dont know shit about the subject, no amount of a dutch rudder from Steve and the stupid pom is going to change that.Umpire the player has run out of the stadium with the ball...................(Dots Added for effect)

[oldrider]

In Call With Erdogan, Trump Backs Turkey on Syria? - :stupid: - (Who's country is this?) - https://news.antiwar.com/2020/02/28/in-call-with-erdogan-trump-backs-turkey-on-syria/ - :Oi: Syria's Land and Syria's troops and guests are the aggressors? FFS!

[oldrider]

The threat of a nuclear war between the US and Russia is now at its greatest since 1983:- https://www.rt.com/op-ed/481959-nuclear-war-russia-nato/ - :wait:

[pritch]

In Call With Erdogan, Trump Backs Turkey on Syria? - :stupid: - (Who's country is this?) - https://news.antiwar.com/2020/02/28/in-call-with-erdogan-trump-backs-turkey-on-syria/ - :Oi: Syria's Land and Syria's troops and guests are the aggressors? FFS!

There are a couple of Trump towers in Istanbul. Apparently Trump has a significant portfolio of other real estate investments there, as well as the obvious conflicts of interest. Although there's not much conflict, Trump is Erdogan's bitch.

[oldrider]

Trump's love affair with Israel's Netanyahu and Trump's obedient remarks as "President of The Zionist Israeli States Of America" - :rolleyes: https://rense.com/general96/trumps-love-affair-with-israels-netanyahu.php -MIGA rather than MAGA? - :msn-wink:

[oldrider]

Self inflicted Anti-Semitism in action? - https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu-back-from-brink-with-dazzling-election-win-now-two-court-battles-loom/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter - :msn-wink: - Not one Goy involved? - :rolleyes:

[oldrider]

The Syria Deception:- :scratch: - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/syria-deception - Sorting through the :bs:?

[Viking01]

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03/05/the-myth-of-sanders-socialism/

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.counterpunch.org/2020/03/05/the-myth-of-sanders-socialism/

You can tell the Article is full of shit when they try to conflate a Social Democracy with 'Socialism'.

Denmark is not, nor ever has been, Socialist.

[oldrider]

Trump Agrees to Provide Israel the Technology it Needs to Take Out Iran - https://www.breakingisraelnews.com/146323/trump-agrees-to-provide-israel-the-technology-it-needs-to-take-out-irans-nuclear-sites/ - MIGA/maga? - :msn-wink: - Super Power Israel has the right to defend it's self? - :yes:

[Katman]

You can tell the Article is full of shit when they try to conflate a Social Democracy with 'Socialism'.

You do understand what the word 'purportedly' means, don't you?

[TheDemonLord]

You do understand what the word 'purportedly' means, don't you?

It's still part of the same Bait and Switch tactic.

Either the author does not believe that Denmark is a Socialist country, in which case who is the comment directed towards? Those that believe Denmark to be a Socialist state (which happens to be the same group of people desperate to find a model of 'Socialism' that works)

or

The Authoe does believe that Denmark is a Socialist country and belongs in said group above towards which the comment is marketed.

Eitherway - it's a clear indicator that whatever follows is going to be piss-weak Socialist apologia - which it was.

[oldrider]

September 10th 2009 an ex American congressman with balls that back his "own" American version of MAGA? - He is dead just now!

Greta Van Susteren - James Traficant - (interesting? - or maybe Not!) It's not a long clip.


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[sugilite]

I guess captain turds idea of cleaning up the swamp entails killing off the poor.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/05/opinions/ludicrous-plan-coronavirus-vaccine-opinion-sachs/index.html

[oldrider]

Michelle Obama could become the next US president:- :Oops: - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/53076.htm - :whistle: - But MAGA? - :cool: - MIGA? - :first: - :wait:

[Bonez]

I guess captain turds idea of cleaning up the swamp entails killing off the poor.
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/05/opinions/ludicrous-plan-coronavirus-vaccine-opinion-sachs/index.htmlC'mon Doc it's a CNN opinion piece.

[sugilite]

C'mon Doc it's a CNN opinion piece.

Doc?
Was waiting for the "but it is CNN".
So you are saying he did not hire a pharmaceutical lobbyist to do the job?
Won't hold my breath waiting for the only truthful reply :msn-wink:

[sugilite]

Trump says it is safe to still hold rallies in the midst of the Corona Virus outbreak. You know, the virus where many people don't show symptoms, so don't get checked and spread it everywhere. Donald Trump has no qualms killing people to get those precious votes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP7eU_I-GUk

And yes, if Dems do the same they are no better. However once again Trump shows a complete lack of giving a fuck about the people he is supposed to be protecting, constantly lying through his teeth about the effects of the virus. Can't have those financial markets falling further can he? Whats the worth of numerous lives of his gullible supporters failing to take this virus seriously due to his words? He is a piece of shit through and through.

[jasonu]

Trump says it is safe to still hold rallies in the midst of the Corona Virus outbreak. You know, the virus where many people don't show symptoms, so don't get checked and spread it everywhere. Donald Trump has no qualms killing people to get those precious votes.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aP7eU_I-GUk

And yes, if Dems do the same they are no better. However once again Trump shows a complete lack of giving a fuck about the people he is supposed to be protecting, constantly lying through his teeth about the effects of the virus. Can't have those financial markets falling further can he? Whats the worth of numerous lives of his gullible supporters failing to take this virus seriously due to his words? He is a piece of shit through and through.

lay off the angry pills bro.

[Bonez]

Doc?: It was an opinion piece nothing more nothing less. You do know what an opinion is don't you? CNN ratings are in the toilet at the moment glad I didn't disapoint you.

You diagnosed me so from now on you are Docter selulite in this thread. I have some nice pink and red pills that will calm you down. You especially need the red pills.

[Bonez]

lay off the angry pills bro.It's the LOONY LEFTS way of coping with Trump being President.

[oldrider]

Lebanon, Iraq, and Iran Condemn Israel’s ‘Declaration of War’ after It Bombs 3 countries in One Weekend?:- https://needtoknow.news/2019/08/lebanon-iraq-and-iran-condemn-israels-declaration-of-war-after-it-bombs-3-countries-in-one-weekend/ - MAGA/MIGA - Lets bomb together no one will notice :msn-wink:


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[pritch]

These two win the Internet for today. They are both in a position to influence people's opinions, and this is the level they operate at?

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2020/03/06/msnbcs_brian_williams_new_york_times_editorial_boa rd_member_mara_gay_five_divided_by_three_equals_on e_million.html



For the benefit of the math challenged the actual sum is about $1.50.

[sugilite]

lay off the angry pills bro.
so you would be cool with a relative going to a rally and coming back with the virus?

[sugilite]

It was an opinion piece nothing more nothing less. You do know what an opinion is don't you? CNN ratings are in the toilet at the moment glad I didn't disapoint you.

You diagnosed me so from now on you are Docter selulite in this thread. I have some nice pink and red pills that will calm you down. You especially need the red pills.

And you did not disappoint, you avoided the whole thing with the term "an opinion piece". So it was only the reporters "opinion" that Trump hired a pharmaceutical lobbyist to do the job, or Trump did exactly that? Cleaning the swamp has equated to putting multiple foxes in charge of hen houses. But the gullies on the far right keep eating that shit up :rolleyes:
You diagnosed yourself with the head injury report, so straight from the horses mouth so to speak. Care to re-share the medical diagnosis I supposedly gave?

[Bonez]

And you did not disappoint, you avoided the whole thing with the term "an opinion piece". So it was only the reporters "opinion" that Trump hired a pharmaceutical lobbyist to do the job, or Trump did exactly that? Cleaning the swamp has equated to putting multiple foxes in charge of hen houses. But the gullies on the far right keep eating that shit up :rolleyes:
You diagnosed yourself with the head injury report, so straight from the horses mouth so to speak. Care to re-share the medical diagnosis I supposedly gave?You now the one in pD. Your memory is failing. All there in bright pink for every one to see Doc.

[sugilite]

You now the one in pD. Your memory is failing. All there in bright pink for every one to see Doc.
OK, what evs on that one then.
So, too hard to answer the simple question RE:Trump?
Giving him a passing grade on his handling of what is certainly going to be a Worldwide pandemic?
Defend your man at all costs, just the way Trump likes his mindless followers, no critical thinking allowed :laugh:

[Bonez]

OK, what evs on that one then.
So, too hard to answer the simple question RE:Trump?
Giving him a passing grade on his handling of what is certainly going to be a Worldwide pandemic?
Defend your man at all costs, just the way Trump likes his mindless followers, no critical thinking allowed :laugh:Keep going Doc. You are rated right up there withe the New Plymouth Nut and the knukle dragging Burk.:tugger:

[pritch]

Keep going Doc. You are rated right up there withe the New Plymouth Nut and the knukle dragging Burk.

When you say "up there" is that an acknowledgement that you are a short arse afflicted by small man syndrome?
Among other things.

Don't reply I won't read it.

[sugilite]

Keep going Doc. You are rated right up there withe the New Plymouth Nut and the knukle dragging Burk.:tugger:
So you got nothing then?

[Katman]

Trump says it is safe to still hold rallies in the midst of the Corona Virus outbreak. You know, the virus where many people don't show symptoms, so don't get checked and spread it everywhere. Donald Trump has no qualms killing people to get those precious votes.

Are you serious?

I went to the Pixies concert last night - held in the same place that someone who has tested positive for CV went to the Tool concert at.

Should the Pixies be condemned for having no qualms about killing people simply so they can make money from performing?

Get a fucking grip man.

[Viking01]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/03/05/70-groups-demand-trump-prohibit-coronavirus-profiteering-big-pharma

[pritch]

Are you serious?

I went to the Pixies concert last night - held in the same place that someone who has tested positive for CV went to the Tool concert at.

Should the Pixies be condemned for having no qualms about killing people simply so they can make money from performing?

Get a fucking grip man.



You pays your money and you makes your choice. In the current situation, if a band came here that I liked I'd consider attending the show.

Going to large gatherings in the US is a bit fraught currently, nobody knows how advanced the spread of the virus is. Testing is so limited as to be almost non-existent, a large percentage of the population will never be tested because of cost. There is no national system of sick pay so many people can't afford to take a day off work. Of all developed countries the US is worst situated to deal with a pandemic, and that's before you factor in Trump's incompetence.

As has been mentioned elsewhere, the SXSW festival has been cancelled and that's a big deal.

About Trump's rallies specifically, I had read that there weren't any planned in the near future anyway. He must be running out of places to hold the events because he hasn't been paying costs associated with holding the rallies, and by now must owe millions around the country.

[Bonez]

When you say "up there" is that an acknowledgement that you are a short arse afflicted by small man syndrome?
Among other things.

Don't reply I won't read it.
I bet you do you old dolt. Funny how you knew I was refering to you. I'm 6ft so far from small big boy.

Here's a pic just for you Negitive Noddy.

[Bonez]

Are you serious?

I went to the Pixies concert last night - held in the same place that someone who has tested positive for CV went to the Tool concert at.

Should the Pixies be condemned for having no qualms about killing people simply so they can make money from performing?

Get a fucking grip man.Unfortunately he is. So is his side kick Chicken Little

[austingtir]

https://i.imgur.com/aTXt5x5.jpg












https://youtu.be/oHAd4mGu3CQ

[sugilite]

Are you serious?

I went to the Pixies concert last night - held in the same place that someone who has tested positive for CV went to the Tool concert at.

Should the Pixies be condemned for having no qualms about killing people simply so they can make money from performing?

Get a fucking grip man.

Like pritch said, you made your choice. In my mind, yes public gatherings should be curtailed until more is known. The death rate has crept up to 3 in 100 now. When that 50 mill was up for grabs last week, most would think the odds would be pretty fucking amazing if you had a 3 in 100 chance of winning. So if it is OK with you Steve, I will make up my own mind on what is safe and what is not.


I bet you do you old dolt. Funny how you knew I was refering to you. I'm 6ft so far from small big boy.
Here's a pic just for you Negitive Noddy.
So why do you feel the need to keep telling every one and posting that same photo? You sure seem over sensitive about it snowflake.


Unfortunately he is. So is his side kick Chicken Little
The elderly and people with preexisting respiratory issues are most at risk, so that covers both of us eh Bonez.

[Bonez]

So why do you feel the need to keep telling every one and posting that same photo? You sure seem over sensitive about it snowflake.I can post what ever I like and attach what ever I like Doc so go suck dog balls. See you in the pink room.

Going for a ride today. Not sure which m/c yet. Having only one helmet is better than trying to pick one out of ten. My old one has had its chin strap cut and in the rubbish bin.

[sugilite]

And because you post into a public forum, we get to comment on it. duuuh
You treat PD like it is some sort of place no one wants to be, it is just another part of the forum that happens to have a pink background, big whoop :laugh:
I too are going for a ride, I have one helmet to choose from and one running bike - I hope.

[oldrider]

Communist traitors vs Zionist traitor - Take your pick because there is no other. :confused: https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/1236390981232197635?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - :killingme - Henry Ford? - Any colour you like as long as it's black. (RED in this case?)

[husaberg]

Communist traitors vs Zionist traitor - Take your pick because there is no other. :confused: https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/1236390981232197635?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - :killingme - Henry Ford? - Any colour you like as long as it's black. (RED in this case?)

So are you going to say this isnt nazi era propaganda as well
After all what you are posting is exactly nazi propaganda.
ps adding in a quote from the USA best known antijewish antisemetic racist was a masterstroke.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/henryford-antisemitism/

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESiLAL1XkAgnZK-?format=jpg&name=small
https://collections.ushmm.org/iiif-b/assets/713999

[oldrider]

Who Made Coronavirus? Was It the U.S., Israel or China Itself? - :shifty: - http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/53083.htm - Never let a good crisis go to waste! - Who was it said that? - :scratch:

[pritch]

So Trump in a recent rambling soliloquy commented that he didn't know people died of the flu. His own grandfather died of the flu. I wonder if it was the same grandfather that founded the family tradition of cowardice by getting booted out of Germany for not doing his military service.

[husaberg]

So Trump in a recent rambling soliloquy commented that he didn't know people died of the flu. His own grandfather died of the flu. I wonder if it was the same grandfather that founded the family tradition of cowardice by getting booted out of Germany for not doing his military service.

Remember the time he thought his father had migrated to the USA.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrIQGIS-mDo&feature=emb_logo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRKwwk7CXBQ

[Katman]

Remember the time he thought his father had mitigated to the USA.


He thought his father had what????…...:eek5:

:killingme

You live up to the post in my signature every fucking day.

[husaberg]

He thought his father had what????…...:eek5:

:killingme

You live up to the post in my signature every fucking day.

Do you reminder that distinctly

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=343966&d=1576872801

[MaxPenguin]

He thought his father had what????…...:eek5:

:killingme

You live up to the post in my signature every fucking day.

Just imagine being cornered by him at a party?

[pritch]

He thought his father had what????…...:eek5:

:killingme



Auto complete is an abomination. On reflection I'd probably still have the odd spelling mistake without it, but at least they'd be my own.

[Bonez]

Auto complete is an abomination. On reflection I'd probably still have the odd spelling mistake without it, but at least they'd be my own.And not your imaginary freind?

[Bonez]

And because you post into a public forum, we get to comment on it. duuuh
You treat PD like it is some sort of place no one wants to be, it is just another part of the forum that happens to have a pink background, big whoop :laugh:
.WOW!!!! I had no idea.

[sugilite]

WOW!!!! I had no idea.
Yep, clearly you were struggling with both concepts - pleased I could assist.

In the mean time, a good day :yes:

https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=344877&d=1583651355


https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=344876&d=1583651355

[husaberg]

Yep, clearly you were struggling with both concepts - pleased I could assist.

In the mean time, a good day :yes:


Chuck that first one in for pic of the week............
Other than the distance to the road and the wool things it looks like Whitecliffs

[pritch]

Chuck that first one in for pic of the week............
Other than the distance to the road and the wool things it looks like Whitecliffs

The other one looks like Kawhia or possibly Raglan. Nice. Bike's not bad either.

[husaberg]

The other one looks like Kawhia or possibly Raglan. Nice. Bike's not bad either.

Doesn't look like it would run short of puff out of town, Kawa got the horny design right then.

[jasonu]

Auto complete is an abomination. On reflection I'd probably still have the odd spelling mistake without it, but at least they'd be my own.

Being a fucking idiot also helps.

[Berries]

I'm 6ft so far from small big boy.

Here's a pic just for you Negitive Noddy.
You must have some sort of complex to keep bringing up your height and posting that Grinder photo.

[sugilite]

The other one looks like Kawhia or possibly Raglan. Nice. Bike's not bad either.
Git it in one - Kawhia. Although my main target road was one that runs off the road to Kawhia, where the other photo was taken


Doesn't look like it would run short of puff out of town, Kawa got the horny design right then.
Yep, bike runs great, but is a cosmetic mess. Only paid $750 for it - $1 for each cc.
I did do it up, but made mistake of using spay paint cans. I have a compressor and spray guns now, so will put it back to standard green, pearl white and blue colors next time. I have a race one too, in bits, just needs to be put together. Motor has brand new official Kawasaki superbike race kit parts in it, including the uber rare close ration transmission. Thinking I will never race it though, so may just sell that lot off lol.
I've got a hankering for a mid 2000's liter bike, have done for a while now.

[pritch]

Git it in one - Kawhia. Although my main target road was one that runs off the road to Kawhia, where the other photo was taken


There is an interesting looking road connects Kawhia and Raglan near the coast, SH8, never done that one. Actually it starts earlier turning off of the road past Waitomo caves before Marokopa then north to Kawhia and Raglan. May or may not be all sealed?

[Bonez]

You must have some sort of complex to keep bringing up your height and posting that Grinder photo.No complex at all the burk thinks I'm a a 4 foot miget. I like to remind him I'm not.

[sugilite]

There is an interesting looking road connects Kawhia and Raglan near the coast, SH8, never done that one. Actually it starts earlier turning off of the road past Waitomo caves before Marokopa then north to Kawhia and Raglan. May or may not be all sealed?
Yes have done that one, not sealed at all, great road though.
The one that peels to the left about 15 km's out of Kawhia will take you (with correct turn offs) all the way to State highway 3 not far out Awakino/New Plymouth - about 10 km's of very good dirt road in there. Overall an incredible road, one of the best, had no idea there was that much native forest left in the north island. AND NO TRAFFIC :yes:

[oldrider]

Police State Contagion: US Plan to Use Bioweapons to Impose Martial Law One Quarantine at a Time https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=8&v=5ZC0NOljRWQ&feature=emb_logo - Fact or fiction? :scratch: You be the judge?

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[sugilite]

Are you serious?

I went to the Pixies concert last night - held in the same place that someone who has tested positive for CV went to the Tool concert at.

Should the Pixies be condemned for having no qualms about killing people simply so they can make money from performing?

Get a fucking grip man.
Some people are starting to understand.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/120107598/coronavirus-italy-to-lock-down-milan-and-northern-provinces
"133 of the coronavirus deaths have been registered in just the last day (Sunday local time), meaning a 57 per cent jump in fatalities in an astoundingly short time."

https://resources.stuff.co.nz/content/dam/images/1/z/f/6/b/r/image.related.StuffLandscapeSixteenByNine.1240x700 .1zibm6.png/1583692153255.jpg

The Piazza Duomo in Milan has emptied out as the number of coronavirus cases in Italy has increased.

I guess they are now getting a fucking grip.

[Katman]

The sky is falling!!!
344878

[sugilite]

Good time to visit Italy then?

https://wonderopolis.org/wp-content/uploads//2015/03/1425_3.jpg

[mashman]

Good time to visit Italy then?

I hope the 99.999999999% of the people living/visiting Italy don't have the same luck as those on the cruise ships of death. All of those dead people on those cruise ships. Have we not learned anything.........

[Katman]

I hope the 99.999999999% of the people living/visiting Italy don't have the same luck as those on the cruise ships of death. All of those dead people on those cruise ships. Have we not learned anything.........

But, but, but......

.....VIRUS!!!!

[Katman]

Good time to visit Italy then?

I'd quite happily visit Italy now if it suited my plans.

In much the same way that I happily visited India without bothering with any vaccinations.

[sugilite]

I'd quite happily visit Italy now if it suited my plans.

In much the same way that I happily visited India without bothering with any vaccinations.
Personal choice is fine, and it is not about the sky falling on ones head and being forever fearful.
For me it is about making smart decisions. I stand by my statement that public gatherings are not a good idea right now until more is learned. A 57% rise in deaths in Italy might be worth taking notice of for instance.

[mashman]

Personal choice is fine, and it is not about the sky falling on ones head and being forever fearful.
For me it is about making smart decisions. I stand by my statement that public gatherings are not a good idea right now until more is learned. A 57% rise in deaths in Italy might be worth taking notice of for instance.

I agree that large gatherings probably aren't the smartest idea, but given how fast it has moved and that carriers don't necessarily show symptoms etc... and that it is being spread through the air and, according to some research done in Germany, is able to survive hours/days outside of the body on surfaces, and where the temps are right it can last 28 days. Whilst the smartest idea is to shut things down to help prevent spread, are such moves just kicking the can down the road?

[sugilite]

I agree that large gatherings probably aren't the smartest idea, but given how fast it has moved and that carriers don't necessarily show symptoms etc... and that it is being spread through the air and, according to some research done in Germany, is able to survive hours/days outside of the body on surfaces, and where the temps are right it can last 28 days. Whilst the smartest idea is to shut things down to help prevent spread, are such moves just kicking the can down the road?
For sure, as mentioned in my Trump rant, I feel this virus is basically unstoppable for just the reasons you list. Clearly the elderly and people with pre-existing respiratory issues need to be protected.
If the rate of it spreading can be slowed down, they best have a chance of some sort of vaccine being developed in time, or even some more effective way to help these people survive it.
I feel peoples cavalier attitude to it will do nothing except accelerate it and end up killing people that otherwise may have survived. That is why I was so scathing about Trump down playing the whole mess.

[Katman]

I feel peoples cavalier attitude to it will do nothing except accelerate it and end up killing people that otherwise may have survived.

Sucks to be some people.

[Bonez]

I'd like to know the time stamp of that square photo. Media has made up in the past. Not saying that the stuff article is wrong. It pays to know more detail these things because of all the false reporting that has gone on over the last few years/decades.

[mashman]

For sure, as mentioned in my Trump rant, I feel this virus is basically unstoppable for just the reasons you list. Clearly the elderly and people with pre-existing respiratory issues need to be protected.
If the rate of it spreading can be slowed down, they best have a chance of some sort of vaccine being developed in time, or even some more effective way to help these people survive it.
I feel peoples cavalier attitude to it will do nothing except accelerate it and end up killing people that otherwise may have survived. That is why I was so scathing about Trump down playing the whole mess.

To be honest I haven't heard what Trump has said... albeit a couple of friends who had and had said they were taken aback by his common sense.
The trouble with a vaccine is that, well, where are the SARS and MERS vaccines? Same family. Likely the same result i.e. promise. Cavalier and Trump in the same sentence.... say it ain't so lol. They're all gonna react differently given the perceived risk. At the moment the risk of death is relatively low compared to its family members, but there is most definitely time and scope for that to change... and quite possibly as that happens Trumps rhetoric will change. Damned is ya do.....

[sugilite]

Sucks to be some people.
I find it quite interesting how someone on one hand can be so hot on road safety, many times stating motorcyclists not just putting themselves in danger but others too. Yet, there appears to be a disconnect applying similar principles (common sense, think of other people yadda, yadda) to this virus. Looking at Italy overall road toll for 2016 has an average of 9.13 deaths a day. That means in the last 24 hours, around 14 times more people died in Italy from the virus, than road crashes. And my feeling is the Virus is just getting started.
So why the flippant disconnect man?

[Bonez]

I find it quite interesting how someone on one hand can be so hot on road safety, many times stating motorcyclists not just putting themselves in danger but others too. Yet, there appears to be a disconnect applying similar principles (common sense, think of other people yadda, yadda) to this virus. Looking at Italy overall road toll for 2016 has an average of 9.13 deaths a day. That means in the last 24 hours, around 14 times more people died in Italy from the virus, than road crashes. And my feeling is the Virus is just getting started.
So why the flippant disconnect man?Over the last fortnight how many died from road deaths and from the virus in Italy?

[Bonez]

Back to Trump and CNN. Fact not opion this time. https://www.turleytalks.com/videos/trump-sues-cnn-as-conservatives-rise-up-and-take-fake-news-to-court?utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=84414222&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9r1JEwIDJYGQwua_JYrTI_SFJ3TxuHitg0LGHUw-jH6PN8rZAPYJNA-glRnvWdv644n3qhKBQE7AJdIABADc8RNbq6Xw&_hsmi=84414222

[sugilite]

Over the last fortnight how many died from road deaths and from the virus in Italy?
Maybe the question should be, how long have cars been in Italy? How long has this virus been there? Moreover, how many people will die tomorrow from the virus?

[sugilite]

Back to Trump and CNN. Fact not opion this time. https://www.turleytalks.com/videos/trump-sues-cnn-as-conservatives-rise-up-and-take-fake-news-to-court?utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=84414222&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-9r1JEwIDJYGQwua_JYrTI_SFJ3TxuHitg0LGHUw-jH6PN8rZAPYJNA-glRnvWdv644n3qhKBQE7AJdIABADc8RNbq6Xw&_hsmi=84414222
Dictator 101 - Take down the media.

[Katman]

I find it quite interesting how someone on one hand can be so hot on road safety, many times stating motorcyclists not just putting themselves in danger but others too.

You might have noticed that I don't much give a fuck about that anymore either.

[sugilite]

You might have noticed that I don't much give a fuck about that anymore either.
Actually Steve, I figured you had calmed down about that as the message had largely got through. KB is no longer the wild west it once was and I personally credited you for a lot of that.

[Bonez]

Maybe the question should be, how long have cars been in Italy? How long has this virus been there? Moreover, how many people will die tomorrow from the virus?
Answer the queston Doc. Over the last fortnight how many died from road deaths and from the virus in Italy?

[Bonez]

Dictator 101 - Take down the media.The media that fasly claimed AOC was crying outside of a detention centre. The same media that claimed a teenager with a MSAGA hat was hasiling a so called ex Rocon Ranger. That media. I could go with many other examples it's so easy.

[sugilite]

Answer the queston Doc. Over the last fortnight how many died from road deaths and from the virus in Italy?
I cannot say precisely, on average stats gathered in 2016, about 126. So still less than the virus in the last 24 hours.

[sugilite]

The media that fasly claimed AOC was crying outside of a detention centre. The same media that claimed a teenager with a MSAGA hat was hasiling a so called ex Rocon Ranger. That media. I could go with many other examples it's so easy.
I could put forward a lot of examples of Trump bare faced lying too. Whats your point?

[Bonez]

I could put forward a lot of examples of Trump bare faced lying too. Whats your point?Trump is not the media. You know exacly what the the pont is Doc. Stop playing dumb.

[Bonez]

I cannot say precisely, on average stats gathered in 2016, about 126. So still less than the virus in the last 24 hours.2016 isn't current you can either aswer my question correctly or admit you have no current accurate stats which is obviosly not the case. Next you will be doing a Burk on us.

[sugilite]

Trump is not the media. You know exacly what the the pont is Doc. Stop playing dumb.
Your such a child. Get back to me when you have an actual adult response.

[sugilite]

2016 isn't current you can either aswer my question correctly or admit you have no current accurate stats which is obviosly not the case. Next you will be doing a Burk on us.

Guess your next move will be to escalate the childishness to in an attempt to get your "oh dear I'm making a dick of myself" posts put into PD.

[Bonez]

Guess your next move will be to escalate the childishness to in an attempt to get your "oh dear I'm making a dick of myself" posts put into PD.That is obviously YOUR opinion Doc and maybe less than a handfull of other KBers. Doesn't bother me either way. You are a mod and you are making a complete fool of yourself without my help.

[oldrider]

Understanding "The plan of the century"? - https://interactive.aljazeera.com/aje/2020/the-failed-deals-of-the-century/index.html - The failed deals of the century - How do they compare? :scratch: Information that may help with understanding the situation? :shifty:

[pritch]

Sucks to be some people.

That has to be one of the most senseless comments I've ever seen on KB - and it's not like there's no competition.

[sugilite]

That has to be one of the most senseless comments I've ever seen on KB - and it's not like there's no competition.
Ohhh, I dunno Pritch, things I have learned just in the past few posts....
1. Apparently I'm a KB mod now :lol:
2. Ok for a president to be a barefaced liar, but not left leaning press :wacko: (But lets face it, no orange fluffy nuts on the chin Trump supporter can possibly be interested in "Truth". :killingme
2. Italian car fatalities must have had a massive change in the last 4 years as 2016 is old news stats wise :laugh:
Stop press: Italian stats for fatalities 2018 is 3325, as against 3333 for 2016. A difference of 8. No 2019 results yet, guess someone will be along soon to say 2018 is old news too. <_<
https://www.statista.com/statistics/437928/number-of-road-deaths-in-italy/

[pritch]

People who study epidemics professionally have said that in the early stages of a pandemic the number of cases will double every six days. It doesn't take very many days until the numbers are huge.

The authorities in most countries are trying to stop or slow the spread. On the other hand the USA is doing nothing but block any news but good news - not that there is much of that. Even a doctor who believes he has the symptoms including a fever can't get tested. If people can't get tested there can't be confirmed cases. That seems to be Trump's policy. Which amounts to the adult (more or less) equivalent of sticking his fingers in his ears and singing lalalalalalalalala.

Generals controlling US forces overseas have been ordered not to do anything that would contradict anything Trump has said. Brilliant!

Previously when I suggested we ban all travel from the US I was not serious. Now though I believe that would be a really good idea.

[Katman]

That has to be one of the most senseless comments I've ever seen on KB - and it's not like there's no competition.

Actually it makes perfect sense.

But I'm not surprised that you can't figure it out.

[Bonez]

Ohhh, I dunno Pritch, things I have learned just in the past few posts....
1. Apparently I'm a KB mod now :lol:
2. Ok for a president to be a barefaced liar, but not left leaning press :wacko: (But lets face it, no orange fluffy nuts on the chin Trump supporter can possibly be interested in "Truth". :killingme
2. Italian car fatalities must have had a massive change in the last 4 years as 2016 is old news stats wise :laugh:
Stop press: Italian stats for fatalities 2018 is 3325, as against 3333 for 2016. A difference of 8. No 2019 results yet, guess someone will be along soon to say 2018 is old news too. <_<
https://www.statista.com/statistics/437928/number-of-road-deaths-in-italy/Ok you are too unstable to be a mod. I was wrong but everytthing else I posted was correct:zzzz:

Well done for finding another two years of road statistics. You get an E for effort.

[Bonez]

That has to be one of the most senseless comments I've ever seen on KB - and it's not like there's no competition.Let's put it another way- Shit happens. But you can't seee this post can you?

[husaberg]

Dictator 101 - Take down the media.

If hes not careful he will Jeffery Archer himself as if hes suing they get the right to call him as a witness/witless


Hammered by White and her deputies, Trump ultimately had to admit 30 times that he had lied over the years about all sorts of stuff: how much of a big Manhattan real estate project he owned; the price of one of his golf club memberships; the size of the Trump Organization; his wealth; his speaking fees; how many condos he had sold; his debts, and whether he borrowed money from his family to avoid going personally bankrupt. He also lied during the deposition about his business dealings with career criminals.
Trump's poor performance stemmed in part from the fact that he was being interrogated by shrewd attorneys wielding his own business and financial records against him. But there were lots of other things that went wrong as well.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-01-25/i-ve-watched-trump-testify-under-oath-it-isn-t-pretty

[sugilite]

Ok you are too unstable to be a mod. I was wrong but everytthing else I posted was correct:zzzz:

Well done for finding another two years of road statistics. You get an E for effort.

OK, those 2018 stats are the latest released by the Italian Government. Shall I shoot them an e-mail telling them that they better shake a leg for the 2019 stats? I'm bloody sure as soon as they find out a self confessed big brawny 6 foot tall biker with the handle bonez from New Zealand needs them so he can make an as yet unspecified point - they will get right on it :bleh:

[Bonez]

OK, those 2018 stats are the latest released by the Italian Government. Shall I shoot them an e-mail telling them that they better shake a leg for the 2019 stats? :
If you like. It's really up to you if it makes you feel better.

[oldrider]

Trump Declares Himself “King of Israel,” the “Second Coming of God” - :soon: - https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/08/donald-trump-king-of-israel - :not: - Chaos? Well, - they are working on it! :cool:

[sugilite]

Captain Snowflake strikes again - goes from the "beautiful" and then "perfect" virus test, to the "perfect" phone call and "perfect" transcript. I see the relationship. :facepalm:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_XwC9IQKBc

[pritch]

[QUOTE=sugilite;1131155818]Captain Snowflake strikes again - goes from the "beautiful" and then "perfect" virus test, to the "perfect" phone call and "perfect" transcript. I see the relationship. :facepalm:

Some of the shots from that visit to the CDC reveal camel toe. It has been long suspected that Trump wears nappies but it looks obvious in some of the shots there. One shouldn't make fun of the afflicted, but this is the guy who claimed to be the fittest presidential candidate ever, and who recently had the Surgeon General make almost equally silly claims.

[mashman]

Captain Snowflake strikes again - goes from the "beautiful" and then "perfect" virus test, to the "perfect" phone call and "perfect" transcript. I see the relationship. :facepalm:

The phone call was regarding whether or not they should let people off the big thing floaty with people on it nearby. Some people want them off. Some people want them left onboard for a period of time. There is most certainly a test available though lol. The test is perfect, but the phone call not so much.

[Katman]

Some of the shots from that visit to the CDC reveal camel toe. It has been long suspected that Trump wears nappies but it looks obvious in some of the shots there.

Jesus fucking christ man, I don't like the guy either but just how fucking desperate are you to push your point?

[Bonez]

https://www.turleytalks.com/videos/hillary-clinton-admits-that-the-nationalist-right-is-winning-and-taking-over-the-media?utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&utm_content=84481674&_hsenc=p2ANqtz-8-1s8aHtVg361ygn4LLv3PYBd7kRa2Qo9J8G3-rZ22r6-Ow0LzyhEjcvrC6yy7ECrhWwLJ7J6VNipGkROFutIKiQCejw&_hsmi=84481674

[jasonu]

Jesus fucking christ man, I don't like the guy either but just how fucking desperate are you to push your point?

It was irritating and annoying. Now it is just laughable.

[Katman]

It was irritating and annoying. Now it is just laughable.

Pritch needs a pair of nappies he can wear as a cravat.

[pritch]

Jesus fucking christ man, I don't like the guy either but just how fucking desperate are you to push your point?

This 'point' is much commented on social media, I mentioned it because of the Surgeon General's inane comments about the great state of Trump's health.

There is currently a photograph circulating from the same event purporting to show that the stable genius pissed himself. Whether that's real of doctored I have no idea but you will notice that I didn't post that.

[mashman]

Anyone know anything about Trump announcing dramatic/major economic policy tomorrow? It would seem that the virus requires new economics. Should be interesting.

[Bonez]

This 'point' is much commented on social media, I mentioned it because of the Surgeon General's inane comments about the great state of Trump's health.

There is currently a photograph circulating from the same event purporting to show that the stable genius pissed himself. Whether that's real of doctored I have no idea but you will notice that I didn't post that.Yet you just did. Incontinence nappies might work better to stop those leaks.

[pritch]

I get the impression some may disagree. If you haven't seen the camel toe photographs you are talking about something you know nothing about. No surprises there though.

[Bonez]

I get the impression some may disagree. If you haven't seen the camel toe photographs you are talking about something you know nothing about. No surprises there though.You have heard of irony right?:lol::baby:

[Viking01]

Anyone know anything about Trump announcing dramatic/major economic policy tomorrow? It would seem that the virus requires new economics. Should be interesting.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/486733-trump-pitches-tax-cut-to-ease-panic

[mashman]

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/486733-trump-pitches-tax-cut-to-ease-panic

Ta. So very disappointing.

[sugilite]

Trump on Obama playing Golf and how he won't be doing that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPANJQ6O9bU

NEK MINUT!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4e7A60DBPo

[Bonez]

Trump on Obama playing Golf and how he won't be doing that.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPANJQ6O9bU

NEK MINUT!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4e7A60DBPoTrump and co. have done more in 3 years than Obumma did in 8 without starting a new war. Got anything new to show us.