The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[jasonu]

I note Nike's sales are reported as up 31% since the start of that ad campaign. Looks like they did their homework....

Where did you get that info from?

[Grumph]

Where did you get that info from?

Widely reported on reputable sites. Google it.

[oldrider]

While all eyes are on Syria’s Idlib, US continues to decimate Yemen :rolleyes: https://www.rt.com/op-ed/438464-yemen-syria-saudi-arabia/- Yeah but :whocares: MAGA????

[oldrider]

The Two Most Dangerous Warmongers in Political Office Today https://www.globalresearch.ca/the-two-most-dangerous-warmongers-in-political-office-today/5654080 Read about their seven deadliest dual objectives. WMD? :facepalm:

[pritch]

Following the Trump fans burning their Nikes. The idiots are now outraged that Willie Nelson is headlining a concert in support of Beto O'Rourke, a Democrat candidate for Rafael Eduardo (call me Ted) Cruz's Texas senate seat.

A woman wrote on Twitter, "I can't wait until the Trump supporters start setting fire to their willies."

[Grumph]

Following the Trump fans burning their Nikes. The idiots are now outraged that Willie Nelson is headlining a concert in support of Beto O'Rourke, a Democrat candidate for Rafael Eduardo (call me Ted) Cruz's Texas senate seat.

A woman wrote on Twitter, "I can't wait until the Trump supporters start setting fire to their willies."

Love it - and the next time Trump flashes his in front of a woman not his wife, he'd better hope she's not a fan of Mrs Bobbitt....

[pritch]

This is as good a place as any...

It turns out the CIA kept a list of Russian jokes. Some may not resonate, others definitely do.

[Viking01]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-19/fbi-doj-defy-trump-order-redactions-planned-top-dems-demand-insuboordination

[oldrider]

United States most trusted and expensive ally? https://twitter.com/benfcampen/status/1041109223017308160/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline% 7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow%7Ctwgr%5E373939313 b636f6e74726f6c&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F :facepalm:

[oldrider]

Donald Trump Thinks the Jews Aren't Grateful Enough https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/.premium-donald-trump-thinks-the-jews-aren-t-grateful-enough-1.6491820

[oldrider]

Chuck Baldwin[Quote] Donald Trump was elected President on the promise that he would drain the swamp and dismantle the Deep State. And many conservatives and Christians thoroughly believe that Trump is actually doing what he promised. But is he? I think not.

Donald Trump had one chance to prove that he was serious about draining the swamp and dismantling the Deep State. One chance. That one chance was his first two years in office. And he blew it.

Trump appointed more Deep State CFR members and Bilderbergers (including Neil Gorsuch, James Mattis, John Bolton, et al.) to his administration than Barack Obama. And don’t be taken in by all of the political bickering surrounding Trump’s Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh. The conservatives’ defense of Kavanaugh is as irrelevant as the liberals’ accusations against Kavanaugh. The fact is, Kavanaugh is a Deep State toady who is up to his neck in covering up the government’s murder of former Clinton Deputy White House Counsel Vince Foster. Speaking of which, Trump has done nothing to bring the Deep State witch, Hillary Clinton, to justice like he said he would do, either.[Unquote]

https://chuckbaldwinlive.com/Articles/tabid/109/ID/3787/He-Blew-It.aspx

[pritch]

Donald Trump had one chance to prove that he was serious about draining the swamp and dismantling the Deep State. One chance. That one chance was his first two years in office. And he blew it.



When Trump talked about draining the swamp I thought he was referring to the lobbyists that infest DC and who buy the politicians for the big donors. I guess I got that wrong. He gave lobbyists top jobs in his administration. One or two are even still there.

Trump has certainly got rid of, or just hasn't filled, hundreds of upper management positions in Government to the extent that the US federal government is widely considered incapable of responding to a major crisis.

The "deep state" seems a creature of fiction. I just believe that people who bang on about the deep state really don't understand how government works. Or, at least, how it is supposed to work. That is the people who aren't actually busy accusing other people of being party to the deep state; people who are almost certainly innocent. Well, innocent of that at least.

[jasonu]

to the extent that the US federal government is widely considered incapable of responding to a major crisis.
.

Please show credible proof of this.

[pritch]

Please show credible proof of this.

Don't be a dim shit, do your own reading. Last figure I saw quoted some 660 unfilled positions.

Judges? Now that's different, the Republicans have been busy stacking the benches. That's not Trump though, that's McConnell.

[jasonu]

Don't be a dim shit, do your own reading.

I couldn't find anything in the Harold so obviously it isn't true.

[Grumph]

I couldn't find anything in the Harold so obviously it isn't true.

All we'll have to do is wait a few weeks. Puerto Rico is still a bloody mess - and will stay that way for years.

Lets see how the relief effort in the Carolinas plays out. Trump's promised the moon, let's see how much gets delivered.

[pritch]

I couldn't find anything in the Harold so obviously it isn't true.

Try reading credible news sources. 'Credible" just got a bit easier, yer old favourite Infowars seems to have struck a head wind. Breitbart is still there, any credible source would be better though.

Seriously, critical thinking is in short supply. Remarkable considering the number of podcasts and other sources trying to correct the shortfall.

The USA, and this country, sure seem to need them.

[oldrider]

Appears there are/have been others of good value but they simply seem to disappear just when the country needs them most? :rolleyes:

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View This Show On YouTube: PART 1: https://youtu.be/4o95Pr1pSNI PART 2: https://youtu.be/i2J1FCnCnnE :corn:

[Viking01]

Please show credible proof of this.

If you want to answer your own question, "Google is your friend" (so I'm told).

Just enter "fema response to US hurricane" into Google, and select the hurricane
of your choice (starting say Katrina in 2005). If you want a few suggestions,
try hurricanes:

-Katrina in 2005 (New Orleans)
-Harvey in 2017 (Texas)
-Maria in 2017 (Puerto Rico)

Or you could search the following articles (found in 5 minutes) for mention of FEMA
and the reported adequacy of its response.

Hurricane Katrina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_government_response_to_Hurricane_Katr ina
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/04/14/fema.ig/

Hurricane Harvey
https://www.texastribune.org/2018/02/27/texans-left-limbo-gov-abbott-fema-use-harvey-reinvent-disaster-respons/

Hurricane Maria
https://abcnews.go.com/US/year-hurricane-maria-federal-government-learn-failures-puerto/story?id=57960340
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-bc-cb--puerto-rico-hurricane-maria-20180904-story.html#

It's not that hurricanes are a new phenomenon, and that they have never occurred
before in the Gulf of Mexico or along the eastern seaboard of the US. Though their
more recent intensity may be.

Given the money recently allocated in tax breaks and for military purposes ($1.5 Tr),
it's not :
1. that money is in short supply, or
2. that more investment in preventative measures and recovery wouldn't help reduce
death toll or overall cost to the US economy.

In the case of the following article about hurricane Maria, it highlighted a possible
difference in priority for response:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/27/donald-trump-fema-hurricane-maria-response-480557

It will be interesting to see if the same will be said about recent hurricane Florence.

[husaberg]

https://youtu.be/Sr0DA1eBYSc

[Viking01]

All we'll have to do is wait a few weeks. Puerto Rico is still a bloody mess - and will stay that way for years.


Grumph, please excuse me while I "steal your quote" as it seemed to be on the
money (so to speak).

Earlier in the week, there was a post relating to US FEMA and its response to
hurricanes within the US and its dependencies, and hurricane Maria (which hit
Puerto Rico) was one mentioned.

But there is a wider problem that should probably be noted as well. Labelled
as "disaster capitalism". or "Where there is a disaster, there's money to be
made".

Puerto Rico
Acknowledge that the following articles are all left leaning, but I'm sure that
readers can adjust accordingly. The facts on the ground will be the same
however it is spun.

https://www.newstatesman.com/world/north-america/2018/09/hurricane-maria-may-have-been-us-s-deadliest-natural-disaster-ever-trump

It appears that for some, every cloud has a silver lining:

http://cepr.net/publications/op-eds-columns/puerto-rico-s-colonial-legacy-and-its-continuing-economic-troubles

http://cepr.net/blogs/the-americas-blog/puerto-rico-s-crisis-has-been-good-for-many-just-not-the-island-s-residents


And a similar problem is shared by another Caribbean neighbour.

Haiti

Back in 2010, Haiti suffered a magnitude 7 earthquake that caused wide-spread
death and destruction. International military forces were quickly deployed to
keep law and order.

And while there were many international pledges of assistance, the country was
soon in lockdown mode and it became difficult to get visibility of what recovery
effort was actually being undertaken (let alone progress and how successful).

After 5 years (2015), even the BBC queried an apparent "lack of progress", and
questioned where and how funds for recovery were being spent.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-33802203

With a US election due in 2016, there were political rumours that some US funds
(possibly being directed via the Clinton Foundation) might not be reaching Haiti,
or not being spent wisely. And it all got very political very quickly.

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2016-37826098

https://www.mondialisation.ca/hurricane-ravaged-haiti-needs-2-billion-in-donations-clinton-foundation-stole-from-its-earthquake-relief-funds/5550029

While the UN Stabilisation mission started being wound down in 2017:

https://www.worldpoliticsreview.com/articles/22736/the-u-n-s-legacy-in-haiti-stability-but-for-whom

the question was still being asked in 2018: Where did the reconstruction money
end up being spent? And did it lead to reinstatement of housing and other basic
services for the Haitian people:

http://cepr.net/blogs/haiti-relief-and-reconstruction-watch/where-does-the-money-go-eight-years-of-usaid-funding-in-haiti

[Grumph]

Well, shit, those of us living in and around Christchurch know all about promises - and missing money.

Why should the US be any different - or better ?

[Viking01]

Well, shit, those of us living in and around Christchurch know all about promises - and missing money.

Why should the US be any different - or better ?


I think that I've tracked down some of the "missing money" re Christchurch.
Watching TV3 news tonight while having dinner, I can see some went into
that new restaurant and cinema complex that is just about to open.

[Grumph]

I think that I've tracked down some of the "missing money" re Christchurch.
Watching TV3 news tonight while having dinner, I can see some went into
that new restaurant and cinema complex that is just about to open.

The reality of central ChCh is that cafes and restaurants are closing because people don't want to go into the central city....

I saw that item too - and all of us here just looked at each other and asked "will anyone go there ?"

[Voltaire]

I realise its not from whacko.com, comspiracy.co.ru or other reliable sites but its an interesting read about how to set up a transitional administration when you surprisingly win an election.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/sep/27/this-guy-doesnt-know-anything-the-inside-story-of-trumps-shambolic-transition-team

[pritch]

This photo is from this morning's Senate hearing. Judge Kavanaugh, candidate for the highest court in the land, would have us believe he has the respect of all the women he has known. He has a letter signed by over sixty of them to say so, although some have since stated they no longer wish to be associated with it.

I have no idea what he was saying when the pic was taken, but look at the faces of the women.

[george formby]

I realise its not from whacko.com, comspiracy.co.ru or other reliable sites but its an interesting read about how to set up a transitional administration when you surprisingly win an election.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/sep/27/this-guy-doesnt-know-anything-the-inside-story-of-trumps-shambolic-transition-team


That is some bizarre reading. Cheers.

[pritch]

That is some bizarre reading. Cheers.

Not much that's new though. Some of the detail I hadn't seen before, but the events described have all been in the news. Nearly two years in though, Trump still knows nothing and he still doesn't give a shit.

Interesting comments about Trump considering that any money raised was his. It was the same with the lawyers, he regarded all government lawyers as being on his team. His comment when he was told that nothing he told the Whitehouse Counsel was subject to legal privilege and that the special prosecutor could call McGahn as a witness was to the effect, "Jesus! I've talked to him a lot."

The book could be interesting but it doesn't feel very rewarding to spend money on a book that mainly just provides a sense of deja vu. Of course if that article was news to anyone, for them the book would be worth the money.

[oldrider]

Goy really are that stupid? - https://twitter.com/cursedsalad/status/1045410875450912773/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline% 7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F That could only be true if the Goy allow it to happen - don't blame the Jews. :no:

John Wayne once said:- Life is hard it's even harder if you are stupid!

[pritch]

John Wayne once said:- Life is hard it's even harder if you are stupid!

Nah, that was Scummy said that. :innocent:

[Grumph]

I realise its not from whacko.com, comspiracy.co.ru or other reliable sites but its an interesting read about how to set up a transitional administration when you surprisingly win an election.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/sep/27/this-guy-doesnt-know-anything-the-inside-story-of-trumps-shambolic-transition-team

Saw that this morning. I hadn't seen a lot of it and found it hilarious. I put it up on a US forum and it looks as though a lot of Americans hadn't heard either...
They seem to be split between resigned and annoyed, LOL. No-one seems surprised.

[Viking01]

Now, if you could just stay focused on the Kavanaugh nomination for
another week:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/28/jeff-flake-brett-kavanaugh-backstory-853839

we have some other unfinished business to attend to:

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/09/28/nation-transfixed-kavanaugh-monstrosity-house-gop-votes-give-rich-another-3-trillion

No wonder Paul Ryan is smiling.

[oldrider]

Now, if you could just stay focused on the Kavanaugh nomination for
another week:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/28/jeff-flake-brett-kavanaugh-backstory-853839

we have some other unfinished business to attend to:

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/09/28/nation-transfixed-kavanaugh-monstrosity-house-gop-votes-give-rich-another-3-trillion

No wonder Paul Ryan is smiling.

Deception - (by deception do war?) - or look over there while I discreetly and unnoticed do this! = Magic - politicians live or die by it! :innocent:

[Grumph]

This sums up the Republican hipocrisy quite well IMO.

[oldrider]

Tweet tweet:- https://twitter.com/HenryMakow

[husaberg]

Tweet tweet:- https://twitter.com/HenryMakow
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ5pQZo4rhUL2vO3xCI1YBAHx0yBajRK m3UT61ycniteZoUDTBd

[oldrider]

You (husaberg) win the prize - you identify with 4. :first:

[husaberg]

https://slideplayer.com/slide/9550779/30/images/4/A+lie+repeated+a+thousand+times+becomes+the+truth. .jpg

[oldrider]

Confirmation! - :yes:

[Voltaire]

Growballs was lucky he did not have to put up with

endless quotes
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oh and blame National.:facepalm:

[oldrider]

New US Law Obliges Americans to Pay Unlimited Billions to Israel http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/new-us-law-obliges-americans-to-pay-unlimited-billions-to-israel/ - :shit:

The bill now will go back to the Senate for approval, and then to Trump to be signed into U.S. law. - Watch this space. :corn:

Will the Senate and Trump sign? - :scratch: - In a heartbeat uncontested. :yes:

[pritch]

Associated Press reports as follows, "Trump administration moves to weaken U.S. radiation rules, says a bit of radiation may be good for you."

And no, that is not a joke.

[Viking01]

In the case of the following article about hurricane Maria, it highlighted a possible
difference in priority for response:

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/27/donald-trump-fema-hurricane-maria-response-480557

It will be interesting to see if the same will be said about recent hurricane Florence.


https://truthout.org/articles/recent-disasters-reveal-racial-discrimination-in-fema-aid-process/

[pete376403]

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html?pgtype=Homepage

[sidecar bob]

Associated Press reports as follows, "Trump administration moves to weaken U.S. radiation rules, says a bit of radiation may be good for you."

And no, that is not a joke.

Well it is how they kill cancer cells.

[oldrider]

Trump Administration Backs Deadly 5G Technology, and His Supporters Are Silent! - :shutup:


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[Viking01]

Associated Press reports as follows, "Trump administration moves to weaken U.S. radiation rules, says a bit of radiation may be good for you."

And no, that is not a joke.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/10/03/making-fringe-scientist-who-argues-exposure-good-people-key-witness-trumps-epa-moves

[oldrider]

Trump boards Air Force One and waves to fans with TOILET PAPER stuck on his shoe https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6242539/Trump-boards-Air-Force-One-TOILET-PAPER-stuck-shoe.html - :bye: . :Oops:

[Banditbandit]

Trump boards Air Force One and waves to fans with TOILET PAPER stuck on his shoe https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6242539/Trump-boards-Air-Force-One-TOILET-PAPER-stuck-shoe.html - :bye: . :Oops:

Seems appropriate ..

[oldrider]

The old left right blue red options being repackaged as Nationalism versus globalism = we will get what "they" want when the confusion finally settles? :corn:

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[oldrider]

Is Trump 4 Real - John Hankey production:

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"After a 20-minute introduction, Hankey's documentary devotes 40 minutes to about a dozen footnotes. In one of these, Hankey provides an interview with Christopher Wylie, research director for Cambridge Analystica where he says they developed slogans like "Build the Wall," "Drain the Swamp," "Rebuild Roads and bridges," and "Fake News" which Trump adopted." - and much more! :corn:

[Viking01]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2018/10/15/theyre-doing-us-they-did-new-orleans-anger-trump-inaction-hurricane-michael-leaves

[pritch]

Trump plundered the FEMA budget to finance his concentration camps for children. Guess he was betting there wouldn't be another hurricane. Wrong again. Fuckwit.

[Viking01]

https://www.counterpunch.org/2018/10/19/reflections-on-chomskys-voting-strategy-why-the-democratic-party-cant-be-saved/

[oldrider]

Serious question. (For USA?) Why are Jewish groups using their trucks to transport invaders to our border? https://twitter.com/Black_Pilled/status/1053338063466827778?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow% 7Ctwcon%5Etimelinechrome&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F :scratch:

[oldrider]

Using insights he got while reviewing the book House of Trump, House of Putin by Craig Unger (see November 2018 issue of Culture Wars magazine), E. Michael Jones, editor of Culture Wars, recently gave a talk in Bavaria, Germany. In this video he discusses that review and that talk.

If you have the time and the inclination this is worth listening to. - :corn:

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[Banditbandit]

An actual idiot at work ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybrL9wrapFE

[TheDemonLord]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_dwx7p8eCc

A very interesting take on Mr Trump - Dilbert is legendary in the Corporate world as both being hilarious and all-too-often painfully true. Scott Adams is also interesting as he's not a diehard republican, and has a particular insight into Trump I've not heard before.

[pete376403]

[QUOTE=Banditbandit;1131114469]An actual idiot at work ...

Cant furl an umbrella but trusted with the nuclear codes/

[Voltaire]

A very interesting take on Mr Trump - Dilbert is legendary in the Corporate world as both being hilarious and all-too-often painfully true. Scott Adams is also interesting as he's not a diehard republican, and has a particular insight into Trump I've not heard before.

My colleague is a big fan, he saw me getting a tad wound up over a 200K quote , the next day showed me this and laughed.

I suspect Scott Adams had people like him send him stories.

http://assets.amuniversal.com/ce1bb5f0936101365390005056a9545d

[oldrider]

An Unstoppable Exodus? - Who'da thought? :scratch: https://www.hagmannreport.com/exclusive-reports/an-unstoppable-exodus/


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[oldrider]

Spot the common denominator. (Hint: It aint Russian)


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[husaberg]

Spot the common denominator. (Hint: It aint Russian)


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Yeah brother nat is on your team aye so you must be right:2thumbsup
Seems like a real good source of credible information and not a religious nut.:lol:
So when do you suggest we storm the synagogues and starting killing all jews.
https://rense.com/1.imagesH/nath2.jpghttps://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/wikiality/images/b/b6/BrotherNathanaelKapnerSign2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20090219211618https://i.pinimg.com/236x/ae/05/29/ae0529a7c7d5a2213fa5b0104f3ff45c--true-lies-anti-christ.jpg

[oldrider]

Israeli soldier gives 74-year-old Palestinian woman water:- https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20150120-israeli-soldier-gives-74-year-old-palestinian-woman-water-then-shoots-her-in-the-head/

[Voltaire]

And 10% off the T Shirt too, whats not to like.

[husaberg]

Israeli soldier gives 74-year-old Palestinian woman water:- https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20150120-israeli-soldier-gives-74-year-old-palestinian-woman-water-then-shoots-her-in-the-head/
Exactly how do i fit in to this story oldie
BTW does what you posted really seem real to you?
Does it seem a bit odd it was not reported until 6 months later and that there were no photos or video of her body or head injuries or it would happen leaving witnesses to tell the story?
http://www.hoaxsearch.com/israeli-soldier-giving-water/
http://www.alhaq.org/documentation/weekly-focuses/821-al-haq-field-updates-from-the-gaza-strip
http://www.thomaswictor.com/nobody-actually-believes-this-garbage/
http://www.hoaxsearch.com/israeli-soldier-giving-water/

[Viking01]

An interview with Jeff Sachs, who was in many parts responsible for the
economic restructuring of Poland in the late 1980's and the Russian
Federation in the early 1990's. In this clip, he discusses American
Exceptionalism. Approx 20 minutes long.

https://youtu.be/kZU0IXO7AQw

[Viking01]

A guide to know if you've been interfered with. A civil service via your
favourite Russian website:

https://www.rt.com/usa/442958-icymi-russian-interference-midterms/

[oldrider]

Why illegal immigrants are supported into the USA? - to do the job that US residents will not do? - Sounds reasonable! :yes: https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/1058716749141557249/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline% 7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F

[husaberg]

husaberg story of bravery?

Israeli soldier gives 74-year-old Palestinian woman water:- https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20150120-israeli-soldier-gives-74-year-old-palestinian-woman-water-then-shoots-her-in-the-head/


Exactly how do i fit in to this story oldie
BTW does what you posted really seem real to you?
Does it seem a bit odd it was not reported until 6 months later and that there were no photos or video of her body or head injuries or it would happen leaving witnesses to tell the story?
http://www.hoaxsearch.com/israeli-soldier-giving-water/
http://www.alhaq.org/documentation/weekly-focuses/821-al-haq-field-updates-from-the-gaza-strip
http://www.thomaswictor.com/nobody-actually-believes-this-garbage/
http://www.hoaxsearch.com/israeli-soldier-giving-water/
So oldie what did what you post have to do with me as you titled it "husaberg story of bravery."
Also did you knowingly post these false claims or were you just unable to sort fact from fiction.
As a hint maybe you might want to learn what a 5.56mm exit wound looks like when someone is shot at 1m from behind looks like.

[pritch]

There is an air of panic in the Whitehouse currently. Trump is calling a group of desperate people, mainly women and kids, eight hundred miles away, an "invasion". That's patently ludicrous. Thing is though, he then uses this "invasion" to declare a national emergency. It's against the law in the US for the military to be deployed against US civilians so he needs a "national emergency" however absurd.

Then he said if the asylum seekers throw rocks, the US military would return fire. Rocks and rifles are the same he said. Then he said he didn't say any of that.

So Trump as Commander in Chief ordered fifteen thousand troops to the border. Last I heard the Pentagon said, "No".
Similar to when he wanted his big parade - like the ones they have in North Korea. That went on the back burner too.

Anyhow, about noon Wednesday our time, things could start to look up. If the Democrats take Congress Trump's life will suddenly become very unpleasant, f'rinstance Congress will almost certainly subpoena his tax returns from the IRS. It is also likely that the Special investigator, Robert Mueller, will release his report. From a line of draft dodgers, and a life long coward himself, he may decide to resign. (Said he hopefully.) :whistle:

[husaberg]

There is an air of panic in the Whitehouse currently. Trump is calling a group of desperate people, mainly women and kids, eight hundred miles away, an "invasion". That's patently ludicrous. Thing is though, he then uses this "invasion" to declare a national emergency. It's against the law in the US for the military to be deployed against US civilians so he needs a "national emergency" however absurd.

Then he said if the asylum seekers throw rocks, the US military would return fire. Rocks and rifles are the same he said. Then he said he didn't say any of that.

So Trump as Commander in Chief ordered fifteen thousand troops to the border. Last I heard the Pentagon said, "No".
Similar to when he wanted his big parade - like the ones they have in North Korea. That went on the back burner too.

Anyhow, about noon Wednesday our time, things could start to look up. If the Democrats take Congress Trump's life will suddenly become very unpleasant, f'rinstance Congress will almost certainly subpoena his tax returns from the IRS. It is also likely that the Special investigator, Robert Mueller, will release his report. From a line of draft dodgers, and a life long coward himself, he may decide to resign. (Said he hopefully.) :whistle:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2016/03/23/trump-quote-million_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqqVzuuqpFlyLIwiB6NTmJwfSV WeZ_vEN7c6bHu2jJnT8.jpg?imwidth=450https://i.imgflip.com/ue23u.jpg

Amazing what a self made man can do with a small loan of a million or 60 million or 460 milion in todays dollars
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/02/trumps-small-loan-from-his-father-was-more-like-60point7-million-nyt.html
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html

[jasonu]

There is an air of panic in the Whitehouse currently. Trump is calling a group of desperate people, mainly women and kids, eight hundred miles away, an "invasion". That's patently ludicrous. Thing is though, he then uses this "invasion" to declare a national emergency. It's against the law in the US for the military to be deployed against US civilians so he needs a "national emergency" however absurd.

Then he said if the asylum seekers throw rocks, the US military would return fire. Rocks and rifles are the same he said. Then he said he didn't say any of that.

So Trump as Commander in Chief ordered fifteen thousand troops to the border. Last I heard the Pentagon said, "No".
Similar to when he wanted his big parade - like the ones they have in North Korea. That went on the back burner too.

Anyhow, about noon Wednesday our time, things could start to look up. If the Democrats take Congress Trump's life will suddenly become very unpleasant, f'rinstance Congress will almost certainly subpoena his tax returns from the IRS. It is also likely that the Special investigator, Robert Mueller, will release his report. From a line of draft dodgers, and a life long coward himself, he may decide to resign. (Said he hopefully.) :whistle:

Maybe all those cunts who mostly can’t prove who they are or where they came from should be shipped to NZ and can set up shop in your neighborhood.

[husaberg]

Maybe all those cunts who mostly can’t prove who they are or where they came from should be shipped to NZ and can set up shop in your neighborhood.
Trump should set up each with a small loan so they can be self made billionares like him. Claims is subject to IRS audits actual billions may vary.

[Voltaire]

Maybe all those cunts who mostly can’t prove who they are or where they came from should be shipped to NZ and can set up shop in your neighborhood.

Who has elections of a Tuesday....

Donald needs to update the plaque inside the Statue of Liberty, clearly out of date.


With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
http://media.cleveland.com/darcy/photo/02darcy-trumpjpg-b484eb2d20bd8217.jpg

[Grumph]

Maybe all those cunts who mostly can’t prove who they are or where they came from should be shipped to NZ and can set up shop in your neighborhood.

Other than an accident of birth which ensured you were born in a civilisation which kept records, they're simply doing what you did, attracted to the bright lights and promises of big money.

I suggest you should keep duplicate records of your green card and passport etc. Under this administration, you could become an illegal alien very easily...

[husaberg]

Other than an accident of birth which ensured you were born in a civilisation which kept records, they're simply doing what you did, attracted to the bright lights and promises of big money.

I suggest you should keep duplicate records of your green card and passport etc. Under this administration, you could become an illegal alien very easily...
Maybe all those people heard trumps speach at the UN and didnt know it was a utter joke

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-z4y8OJxlK8

[pritch]

I suggest you should keep duplicate records of your green card and passport etc. Under this administration, you could become an illegal alien very easily...

Yeah, nevermind the constitution, Trump wants to revoke the birthright citizenship clause. Interesting because of all his five kids only Tiffany would qualify for citizenship on that basis. Then again, he thinks the laws don't apply to him or his. We'll see...

[husaberg]

Yeah, nevermind the constitution, Trump wants to revoke the birthright citizenship clause. Interesting because of all his five kids only Tiffany would qualify for citizenship on that basis. Then again, he thinks the laws don't apply to him or his. We'll see...
Wasn't she the one that forgot to register to vote so she never even voted for her dad.

[jasonu]

Other than an accident of birth which ensured you were born in a civilisation which kept records, they're simply doing what you did, attracted to the bright lights and promises of big money.

I suggest you should keep duplicate records of your green card and passport etc. Under this administration, you could become an illegal alien very easily...

I didn’t do any wall jumping or tunneling.
I’m long past the greencard (resident) scenario. When I chose to move here permanently I became a citizen and assimilated. I work for money I don’t leech off the welfare system and I vote when it is time to do so. I welcome anyone here as long as they come here legally and correctly. The aussies hav the right idea immigration wise and I congratulate them on evicting non citizen scumbags. NZ should watchband learn.

[Grumph]

I didn’t do any wall jumping or tunneling.
I’m long past the greencard (resident) scenario. When I chose to move here permanently I became a citizen and assimilated. I work for money I don’t leech off the welfare system and I vote when it is time to do so. I welcome anyone here as long as they come here legally and correctly. The aussies hav the right idea immigration wise and I congratulate them on evicting non citizen scumbags. NZ should watchband learn.

You've been away too long - NZ learn anything from Australia ? You're dreamin mate.....

[oldrider]

President notwithstanding, US response to everything? - https://twitter.com/The_Cyrenian/status/1058401302323986433/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline% 7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F :corn:

[Banditbandit]

Wasn't she the one that forgot to register to vote so she never even voted for her dad.

Maybe she just found a good excuse to give to him ..

[pritch]

I don’t leech off the welfare system and I vote when it is time to do so.

You're starting to sound like a Trumpist. They're always whinging about "illegals" leeching off the welfare system and voting illegally whereas anybody with a functioning brain knows illegal immigrants can't get welfare and they can't vote.

Most do pay taxes though although they get nothing in return.

I note that some wealthy white woman was recently expressing concern that immigrants would be squatting in her house at the lake. As Bill Maher said, they are coming to clean her house not to squat in it. Anyhoo the whole topic of immigrants squatting in people's houses was raised on "Stormfront". Fuck that.

[oldrider]

This pretty much sums up American and her politics? :facepalm:

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[TheDemonLord]

There is an air of panic in the Whitehouse currently. Trump is calling a group of desperate people, mainly women and kids, eight hundred miles away, an "invasion". That's patently ludicrous. Thing is though, he then uses this "invasion" to declare a national emergency. It's against the law in the US for the military to be deployed against US civilians so he needs a "national emergency" however absurd.

What would you call lots of people trying to enter your country illegally, under the fiat of force then?

As for US Military being deployed against US Civilians - What a shame for your point that they aren't US Civiliians...

And finally - this is not the first time a President has deployed Troops to the border...

[pritch]

What would you call lots of people trying to enter your country illegally, under the fiat of force then?

As for US Military being deployed against US Civilians - What a shame for your point that they aren't US Civiliians...

And finally - this is not the first time a President has deployed Troops to the border...


They are not necessarily trying to enter illegally. Asylum seeking is not illegal.
Who mentioned force?

Once in the USA, if they get that far, they are protected by the Constitution the same as any US civilian. (With the proviso that Trump neither knows nor cares about the Constitution.)

OK, I'll bite, what other president(s) sent the army to the border?

[TheDemonLord]

They are not necessarily trying to enter illegally. Asylum seeking is not illegal.
Who mentioned force?

Then why do it as a Massive Group? If they are seeking Asylum, why not do it in the first safe country they reached? As for force - Did they peacefully follow the lawful instructions given to them by the Mexican Authorities?


Once in the USA, if they get that far, they are protected by the Constitution the same as any US civilian. (With the proviso that Trump neither knows nor cares about the Constitution.)

Might I make an observation that those who are vetted by the US and found to be genuine Asylum Seekers and let through, are not the ones that the Troops are being sent to turn back?


OK, I'll bite, what other president(s) sent the army to the border?

Bush and Obama sent the National Guard to the border (You'll note I said 'troops').

[husaberg]

Then why do it as a Massive Group? If they are seeking Asylum, why not do it in the first safe country they reached? As for force - Did they peacefully follow the lawful instructions given to them by the Mexican Authorities?



Might I make an observation that those who are vetted by the US and found to be genuine Asylum Seekers and let through, are not the ones that the Troops are being sent to turn back?



Bush and Obama sent the National Guard to the border (You'll note I said 'troops').
Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

but seriously, it not as if trumps grandparents were immigrants or two of his three wives or all of his servants
but if he doesnt want these people trying to come to America he should try t be a bit more modest as to how great he has made America

https://www.memecreator.org/static/images/memes/4492202.jpg

[pritch]

Bush and Obama sent the National Guard to the border (You'll note I said 'troops').

Which is completely irrelevant.

Hopefully Trump will be knobbled Wednesday evening our time and the Nazi pricks who have felt emboldened by his rants will crawl back under their rocks.

[TheDemonLord]

Which is completely irrelevant.

Except it's not the completely unprecedented action that you are trying to portray it as, Unless you want to argue that the National Guard don't count... but I suspect that the NG themselves would have some rather choice words to say about that.


Hopefully Trump will be knobbled Wednesday evening our time and the Nazi pricks who have felt emboldened by his rants will crawl back under their rocks.

I'll give you a hint - that type of whining is what makes the average centrist voter vote FOR Trump, not against.

[oldrider]

Iran's Powerful Hardline Cleric Threatens To "Instantly" Create $400 Oil By Seizing Tankers https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-04/irans-powerful-hardline-cleric-threatens-seize-oil-tankers-launch-missiles-ahead - Yeah right! - Tui moment? :rolleyes:

[jasonu]

You're starting to sound like a Trumpist. They're always whinging about "illegals" leeching off the welfare system and voting illegally whereas anybody with a functioning brain knows illegal immigrants can't get welfare and they can't vote.

Most do pay taxes though although they get nothing in return..

Going by these statements it is obvious you have not spent any significant time here and you absolutely don’t know what the fuck you are talking about.

[seattle smitty]

Two cents from another 'merkin:

Let me start by stating that I detest Trump, this country's biggest bullshyter, a huge embarrassment. His followers are likely to do very well in this election because the economy is doing very well at the moment, . . . despite the fact that this is something for which Trump cannot begin to legitimately take credit (he has been in office for a year and nine months, far too little time to greatly affect any economic cycle, this one being nearly ten years old, so far). I will also say that despite my distaste for modern self-described conservatives, I was an enthusiastic Goldwater conservative in my youth, and remain generally somewhat to the Right of center, so don't imagine that any agreement here for a Trump idea is a product of American political liberalism.

What I want to say is that Trump's anti-illegal-immigrant rhetoric does NOT repeat NOT make him a racist or xenophobe in itself, and I doubt that he is one. Furthermore, I applaud his current stated intention (his statements usually lead to nothing, and are often reversed in a week or two) to end automatic citizenship for all offspring of non-citizens who bring them across our borders to be born. I will further say that the first-generation immigrant Mexicans, legal or not, are by and large hard-working, tax-paying, and admirable folk (where too many of the non-immigrants here are lazy whiners).

BUT . . .

BUT, THIS COUNTRY HAS TOO MANY PEOPLE ALREADY!!!!

When I was a kid in the Fifties, the far-sighted were already, and I remember this very well, warning of over-population, . . . in a time when the country had about 155-160 million citizens. We now have something near 330 millions!!! Our cities, formerly liveable, are daily gridlocked with all the people trying to get to work and back. Sit in your car in one of these creeping, miles-long traffic crawls and you surely can see how stupid we were all those years ago to fail to do anything we could to prevent the doubling of our population. Where are all the people who want to come here going to live? Millions of acres of rich farmlands and wild country stretching for tens and hundreds of miles out from the old city and town limits of the years of my youth have and are being paved-over by developers, who get rich on this environmental despoilation. The America of my youth is utterly unrecognizable.

So it is long-since time that we took down the signs inviting any and all to come here. The welcome mat is long-since obsolete. The sign should be, "Visitors welcome, we'd love to meet you, but if your country is a mess, go back and try to fix it, by whatever means you feel necessary. We have no more vacancies here, we are FULL, period."

[pete376403]

Two cents from another 'merkin:

Let me start by stating that I detest Trump, this country's biggest bullshyter, a huge embarrassment. His followers are likely to do very well in this election because the economy is doing very well at the moment, . . . despite the fact that this is something for which Trump cannot begin to legitimately take credit (he has been in office for a year and nine months, far too little time to greatly affect any economic cycle, this one being nearly ten years old, so far). I will also say that despite my distaste for modern self-described conservatives, I was an enthusiastic Goldwater conservative in my youth, and remain generally somewhat to the Right of center, so don't imagine that any agreement here for a Trump idea is a product of American political liberalism.

What I want to say is that Trump's anti-illegal-immigrant rhetoric does NOT repeat NOT make him a racist or xenophobe in itself, and I doubt that he is one. Furthermore, I applaud his current stated intention (his statements usually lead to nothing, and are often reversed in a week or two) to end automatic citizenship for all offspring of non-citizens who bring them across our borders to be born. I will further say that the first-generation immigrant Mexicans, legal or not, are by and large hard-working, tax-paying, and admirable folk (where too many of the non-immigrants here are lazy whiners).

BUT . . .

BUT, THIS COUNTRY HAS TOO MANY PEOPLE ALREADY!!!!

When I was a kid in the Fifties, the far-sighted were already, and I remember this very well, warning of over-population, . . . in a time when the country had about 155-160 million citizens. We now have something near 330 millions!!! Our cities, formerly liveable, are daily gridlocked with all the people trying to get to work and back. Sit in your car in one of these creeping, miles-long traffic crawls and you surely can see how stupid we were all those years ago to fail to do anything we could to prevent the doubling of our population. Where are all the people who want to come here going to live? Millions of acres of rich farmlands and wild country stretching for tens and hundreds of miles out from the old city and town limits of the years of my youth have and are being paved-over by developers, who get rich on this environmental despoilation. The America of my youth is utterly unrecognizable.

So it is long-since time that we took down the signs inviting any and all to come here. The welcome mat is long-since obsolete. The sign should be, "Visitors welcome, we'd love to meet you, but if your country is a mess, go back and try to fix it, by whatever means you feel necessary. We have no more vacancies here, we are FULL, period."
Good, rational post - totally out of place here. Its not just the US that is full - the entire planet is overpopulated. A decent plague would help (I had high hopes for Ebola, but alas not to be)

[Ocean1]

Good, rational post - totally out of place here. Its not just the US that is full - the entire planet is overpopulated. A decent plague would help (I had high hopes for Ebola, but alas not to be)

http://statisticstimes.com/population/countries-by-population-density.php

[oldrider]

http://statisticstimes.com/population/countries-by-population-density.php

Overpopulated? [ 185 New Zealand 18.206 ] Perhaps KB could bare testimony enough to that. :rolleyes:

[jasonu]

Two cents from another 'merkin:

Let me start by stating that I detest Trump, this country's biggest bullshyter, a huge embarrassment. His followers are likely to do very well in this election because the economy is doing very well at the moment, . . . despite the fact that this is something for which Trump cannot begin to legitimately take credit (he has been in office for a year and nine months, far too little time to greatly affect any economic cycle, this one being nearly ten years old, so"

Maybe the good economy is not trumps doing but dollars to donuts if the economy had taken a slide since he got in it would be all his fault.

[oldrider]

Maybe the good economy is not trumps doing but dollars to donuts if the economy had taken a slide since he got in it would be all his fault.

True! - Like him or lump him that's the way of politics world over. :rolleyes:

[pritch]

Except it's not the completely unprecedented action that you are trying to portray it as, Unless you want to argue that the National Guard don't count... but I suspect that the NG themselves would have some rather choice words to say about that.

I'll give you a hint - that type of whining is what makes the average centrist voter vote FOR Trump, not against.



You apparently have difficulty with simple things. The National Guard is not the Army. The National Guard is permitted to be deployed against civilians. The Army is not.

One mans "centrist" is another mans Nazi.

[Viking01]

Did I miss something like Obama being re-appointed to head up the
Democrats again ?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/midterms-2018/trump-rally-today-obama-speech-midterm-elections-republicans-polls-senate-house-democrats-a8618811.html

[Viking01]

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-11-05/your-complete-midterm-elections-guide

[TheDemonLord]

You apparently have difficulty with simple things. The National Guard is not the Army. The National Guard is permitted to be deployed against civilians. The Army is not.

Which is why I used the word "Troops", and the NG have participated in active Combat roles in recent years. However, even if I accept your nitpick (which I don't FYI) - you're still left with the problem that the people wanting to come in are not US Civilians, and therefore are not subject to the limitations placed on the Army.


One mans "centrist" is another mans Nazi.

And there you have your truest statement - you're right, if your other Man happens to be to the Left of Stalin...

[seattle smitty]

Maybe the good economy is not trumps doing but dollars to donuts if the economy had taken a slide since he got in it would be all his fault.

Absolutely right. Happened to Obama, where he was blamed for the very slow recovery following the bank crashes of 2008. He could have handled the situation he inherited from Bush a whole lot better than he did, but the economy would have recovered slowly regardless. A lot of presidents were either lucky or unlucky depending on the trajectory of the economy during their term. The current boom is getting somewhat long in the tooth, and if Trump is wise he might want to quit after one term and declare himself Greatest Ever.


Pete, why was my post out of place? It's an election thread, and I was discussing a central issue, immigration and border control, and why I agree with a president I otherwise dislike.

[Voltaire]

Dropping the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% has given companies a huge boost. Means they can do more share buy backs and increase investor returns. Company I contract too just bought another one for 34 billion us. Ceo has 35 mill in shares and this week bought another 3 mill. Nice.....

[mashman]

Good, rational post - totally out of place here. Its not just the US that is full - the entire planet is overpopulated. A decent plague would help (I had high hopes for Ebola, but alas not to be)

Earth Overshoot states that we use 1 years worth of resources every 7 months or 1.7 sustainable planets for life to exist as it does today.

Out of 7.6 billion people, 20% reportedly consuming 80% of that which is produced.

Kill the non consuming 80% of the population and you still end up living on an unsustainable planet.

Is population really the problem?

[Banditbandit]

Dropping the corporate tax rate from 35% to 21% has given companies a huge boost. Means they can do more share buy backs and increase investor returns. Company I contract too just bought another one for 34 billion us. Ceo has 35 mill in shares and this week bought another 3 mill. Nice.....

Might help if they share the increased profits with the workers too - in terms of higher wages ..

[Ocean1]

Might help if they share the increased profits with the workers too - in terms of higher wages ..

Oh aye. 'Cause the employees would absolutely bail the company out if they had a bad year.

[seattle smitty]

Earth Overshoot states that we use 1 years worth of resources every 7 months or 1.7 sustainable planets for life to exist as it does today.

Out of 7.6 billion people, 20% reportedly consuming 80% of that which is produced.

Kill the non consuming 80% of the population and you still end up living on an unsustainable planet.

Is population really the problem?


I certainly take your point, mashman, but yes, population is a problem. Not THE problem, but A problem, and a very big one. The notion that if we all became a lot more efficient in our use of the earth's resources, the planet could continue to support increasing numbers of humans is badly misguided, in assuming efficiency is politically, or even HUMANLY realizable. Population control is more nearly possible, as the Chinese used to at least attempt to do. Their solution (among others) will eventually have to be widely adopted.

[mashman]

I certainly take your point, mashman, but yes, population is a problem. Not THE problem, but A problem, and a very big one. The notion that if we all became a lot more efficient in our use of the earth's resources, the planet could continue to support increasing numbers of humans is badly misguided, in assuming efficiency is politically, or even HUMANLY realizable. Population control is more nearly possible, as the Chinese used to at least attempt to do. Their solution (among others) will eventually have to be widely adopted.

I agree, it is A problem... however instead of population control, were the 20% come to consume like the 80% we go from living on an unsustinable planet to a sustainable one without any population control. We don't need to be more efficient to achieve that, we merely stop producing that which serves no life purpose that that 80% of the population don't have but have survived without access to. The energy saved will be more than enough to cater for our needs and for us to grow as a population. Then it's merely a case of adding to the education system something that teaches the reasons that we stopped production, and hence the reason for human re-production to be undertaken more thoughtfully (booze and quiet corners may put a damper on things there lol).

Were we address THE problem, so we have a chance to educate population control (as China kind of did) without a Logans Run style death lottery of some form or another, heh. As you say, we'll have to adopt "control" at some point. It'd be useful to educate it into the upcoming generations, but that just isn't profitable. Anyhoo... population control on a planet that's growing in a manner that all but ensures ecocide/genocide, is kind of a moot.

[Viking01]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/11/07/jeff-sessions-out-as-attorney-general-972776

It will be interesting to see not only what political actions that the Democrats
chose to trigger in the coming months (impeachment?), but more importantly
how the Democrats decide to market themselves for 2020. Does anyone have
a clear picture what the Democrats actually stand for any longer ?

https://eurasiafuture.com/2018/11/07/america-needs-a-political-sun-tzu-but-instead-got-liberal-john-waynes/

[HenryDorsetCase]

Oh aye. 'Cause the employees would absolutely bail the company out if they had a bad year.

When did an employed CEO on a contract EVER do that? No, obscene CEO salaries just can't be justified. When the company goes well its down to them (they say) but when the company goes badly its anyone's fault but theirs. Recent example: Fucking Theo Speerings at Font error.

[HenryDorsetCase]

https://eurasiafuture.com/2018/11/07/america-needs-a-political-sun-tzu-but-instead-got-liberal-john-waynes/[/url]

What do the Republicans "stand for"? Because the fucking mango fucking mussolini stands for fuck all.

[oldrider]

Glimpsing at this article I espied a word for which I had had no previous exposure, so I checked it out then read the article to ascertain correct use etc?

The writer seemed to have got it spot on (in my humble opinion) - here endith the lesson. https://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2018/11/05/what-this-election-is-about/ :hitcher:

[husaberg]

When did an employed CEO on a contract EVER do that? No, obscene CEO salaries just can't be justified. When the company goes well its down to them (they say) but when the company goes badly its anyone's fault but theirs. Recent example: Fucking Theo Speerings at Font error.
Remember the wall street bail outs
Tax power money to bail out private companies who then gave themselves massage bonus's even though they would have been bankrupt.


The lobby of AIG's headquarters in the American International Building (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_International_Building).

The AIG bonus payments controversy began in March 2009, when it was publicly disclosed that the American International Group (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_International_Group) (AIG) insurance corporation was going to pay approximately $218 million in bonus payments to employees of its financial services division.
AIG is notable for having received taxpayer bailouts and in the fourth quarter of 2008 posted a loss of $61.7 billion, the greatest ever for any corporation. Beyond the $165 million in bonus payments that were announced, total bonuses for the financial unit could reach $450 million and bonuses for the entire company could reach $1.2 billion


ine of the financial firms that were among the largest recipients of federal bailout money paid about 5,000 of their traders and bankers bonuses of more than $1 million apiece for 2008, according to a report released Thursday by Andrew M. Cuomo (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/andrew_m_cuomo/index.html?inline=nyt-per), the New York attorney general.
At Goldman Sachs (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/goldman_sachs_group_inc/index.html?inline=nyt-org), for example, bonuses of more than $1 million went to 953 traders and bankers, and Morgan Stanley (http://topics.nytimes.com/top/news/business/companies/morgan_stanley/index.html?inline=nyt-org) awarded seven-figure bonuses to 428 employees. Even at weaker banks like Citigroup and Bank of America, million-dollar awards were distributed to hundreds of workers.


Citigroup, one of the biggest recipients of US government bailout money, gave employees $5.3bn in bonuses for 2008, New York's attorney general said today in a report detailing the payouts by nine big banks.

The report from attorney general Andrew Cuomo's office focused on 2008 bonuses paid to the initial nine banks that received loans under the government's Troubled Asset Relief Program (Tarp) last fall. Cuomo has joined other government officials in criticising the banks for paying out big bonuses while accepting US taxpayer money.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2009/jul/30/bank-bonuses-tarp
A bit closer to home

South Canterbury was by far the biggest, though taxpayers have also footed the bill for Allied Nationwide (about $130m) and Equitable Mortgage ($188m).
Other smaller finance companies to be bailed out were Mascot, Strata, Vision Securities, Rockford, Viaduct Capital and Mutual Finance.
Before that, the last big taxpayer bailouts were Air New Zealand ($885m in January 2002) and a $1b bailout of the BNZ in the early 1990s.
The original deposit guarantee scheme had $133b under guarantee. An extended version of the scheme was put in place in October and will run to the end of this year.
Only three companies have cover: PGG Wrightson Finance, Fisher & Paykel Finance and the Wairarapa Building Society.
we also bailed out insurance companies.

nother $250 million of taxpayers' money has been set aside for Southern Response, as the bill heads towards $1.25 billion.
After it was found AMI didn't have enough reinsurance to cover its 2010/11 Canterbury earthquake claims, AMI's non quake-related business was sold to IAG, leaving the taxpayer with Southern Response, which is responsible for settling outstanding quake claims.
At the time of the quakes, AMI was the country's second largest residential insurer and had a 35% share of Christchurch's residential insurance market.
A document released under the Official Information Act reveals that in March 2012, Treasury's "best estimate of the likely cost of the AMI support package over its life" was only $98m. While the Government in April 2011 subscribed to $500m of convertible preference shares in AMI, Treasury thought it would only need to cough up for $98m of these.
Yet the cost to the taxpayer is ballooning, as Southern Response’s estimated gross cost of settling claims before reinsurance (including project management and claim management costs) has increased from $1.86b in June 2011, to $3.03b in March this year.
The government in its latest Budget allocated an additional $250m to go towards helping Southern Response settle its outstanding quake claims.

[Ocean1]

When did an employed CEO on a contract EVER do that? No, obscene CEO salaries just can't be justified. When the company goes well its down to them (they say) but when the company goes badly its anyone's fault but theirs. Recent example: Fucking Theo Speerings at Font error.

Well actually I did. Which sorta did justify my subsequent comparatively reasonable remuneration, 'cause as I said, the rank and file contributed squat.

And by all means fuck Theo Speerlings at Font error, but let's not do that 'cause he's a CEO, let's do it 'cause he's a grasping, lying prick who contributes fuck all to the bottom line.

[Banditbandit]

Oh aye. 'Cause the employees would absolutely bail the company out if they had a bad year.

Unhappy and demoralized staff are less productive - and a good way to help the company have a bad year ...

I'm with Richard Branson who said "Train your staff so they can leave, treat them well so they don't want to."

He's made millions implementing that approach ..

[Ocean1]

Unhappy and demoralized staff are less productive - and a good way to help the company have a bad year ...

I'm with Richard Branson who said "Train your staff so they can leave, treat them well so they don't want to."

He's made millions implementing that approach ..

Turns out remuneration has fuck all to do with whether employees are unhappy or demoralised.

But say it did. Why wouldn't you parse that as "A good way to help the company have a good year is to be happy and productive"?

See, the socialist outlook "the company/govt/taxpayer is responsible for my morale and income" fails. Every time. Demonstrably and repeatedly. And yet from exactly the same starting point, the other one doesn't.

[TheDemonLord]

I agree, it is A problem... however instead of population control, were the 20% come to consume like the 80% we go from living on an unsustinable planet to a sustainable one without any population control.

So when are you going to practice what you preach and kill yourself?

[husaberg]

Turns out remuneration has fuck all to do with whether employees are unhappy or demoralised.

But say it did. Why wouldn't you parse that as "A good way to help the company have a good year is to be happy and productive"?

See, the socialist outlook "the company/govt/taxpayer is responsible for my morale and income" fails. Every time. Demonstrably and repeatedly. And yet from exactly the same starting point, the other one doesn't.

So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.

[Ocean1]

So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.

I've never seen a survey showing remuneration as the leading factor in employee satisfaction or performance, at least not among career professionals. And I've seen a few.

And my staff were neither unhappy or unproductive. Funny how that doesn't fit your preconceived theories about how that shit works.

[oldrider]

Interesting MSM reporting for a change? :corn:

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[husaberg]

Turns out remuneration has fuck all to do with whether employees are unhappy or demoralised.
But say it did. Why wouldn't you parse that as "A good way to help the company have a good year is to be happy and productive"?
See, the socialist outlook "the company/govt/taxpayer is responsible for my morale and income" fails. Every time. Demonstrably and repeatedly. And yet from exactly the same starting point, the other one doesn't.


Unhappy and demoralized staff are less productive - and a good way to help the company have a bad year ...
I'm with Richard Branson who said "Train your staff so they can leave, treat them well so they don't want to."
He's made millions implementing that approach ..


So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.


I've never seen a survey showing remuneration as the leading factor in employee satisfaction or performance, at least not among career professionals. And I've seen a few.
And my staff were neither unhappy or unproductive. Funny how that doesn't fit your preconceived theories about how that shit works.
I have no doubt you understand very little about about staff productivity as i seems you cant follow a simple line of thought, where did i mention anything about remuneration. i mentioned productivity and unhappy staff. you then drew an il-considered conclusion based on your own preconceived notion.
Judging by your attitudes expressed and your inability to actually read what is written i doubt you will even understand one.
Of course you will claim to know far more than everyone else on this subject as well.

[Ocean1]

I have no doubt you understand very little about about staff productivity as i seems you cant follow a simpole line of thought, where did i mention anything about remuneration. i mentioned productivity and unhappy staff. you then drew an il-considered conclusion based on your own preconceived notion.
Judging by your attitudes expressed and your inability to actually read what is written i doubt you will even understand one.
Of course you will claim to know far more than everyone else on this subject as well.

You didn't mention remuneration. That was, nonetheless the topic in discussion:


Might help if they share the increased profits with the workers too - in terms of higher wages ..

Looks like your line of thought is as short as your attention span, maybe you should start doubting your understanding of shit a bit more often.

[Viking01]

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/443390-midterms-democrats-progressives-strategy/

[husaberg]

You didn't mention remuneration. That was, nonetheless the topic in discussion:


You plucked it out of thin air and attempted to pass it of as being part of my thoughts expressed. That's at best delusional on your part

[seattle smitty]

I agree, it is A problem... however instead of population control, were the 20% come to consume like the 80% we go from living on an unsustinable planet to a sustainable one without any population control. We don't need to be more efficient to achieve that, we merely stop producing that which serves no life purpose that that 80% of the population don't have but have survived without access to. The energy saved will be more than enough to cater for our needs and for us to grow as a population. Then it's merely a case of adding to the education system something that teaches the reasons that we stopped production, and hence the reason for human re-production to be undertaken more thoughtfully (booze and quiet corners may put a damper on things there lol).

Were we address THE problem, so we have a chance to educate population control (as China kind of did) without a Logans Run style death lottery of some form or another, heh. As you say, we'll have to adopt "control" at some point. It'd be useful to educate it into the upcoming generations, but that just isn't profitable. Anyhoo... population control on a planet that's growing in a manner that all but ensures ecocide/genocide, is kind of a moot.


Mashman, given my DISpleasure with recent American elections, I'm pleased that you are willing to butt heads with me on this subject which is never ever mentioned by our idiots in office.

Now, do you figure to educate the poor, hungry 80% to stop slashing and burning the world's jungles and forests or selling the wood to Japan, stop killing all the animals for bush-meat or to sell to the Chinese, AND to forget about ever having the resource-consuming luxuries that you'll have educated the 20% to forgo, such as modern hospitals and medicine, communications, mass production (of such things as motorcycles, hah!), buildings (ones for schools that don't leak or collapse in a strong wind, yadda, yadda, yadda. Sure, our distant ancestors all lived and survived as you point out that the 80% have done, . . . but they died like flies in times of famine, the moms very often died in childbirth or their offspring did, or if they survived being born, their llife expectancy was maybe thirty years, their lives included nothing in the way of intellectual content, they had no such thing as weekends or vacations, oh, AND despite lacking roads, they didn't even have dirtbikes. All in all, not a way of life I'd care to adopt, in comparison to being forbidden to have more than one kid (and in fact, I've never had one).

Referring back to the destruction of woodlands/jungles/animals, the ONLY way the poor 80% have ever been educated to do less of that is when they learned that some members of the over-consuming 20% would fly in on their energy-profligate jetliners and spend tourist dollars.

Sure, I'm arguing this by making extreme contrasts, yet it's not all that extreme. Have you heard the phrase, "cedars of Lebanon"? Pretty much all of the cedars of Lebanon (among other factors than slash and burn, they were imported by Egyptian and other regional boat-builders who otherwise only had access to unusable date-palms) were GONE by Bible times, the vegetation of the area having been devoured by the sheep and goats of the poor 80% of that time. I'm saying that humans are very capable of depleting resources, even in fairly low numbers and living their (short) pre-industrial lives.

So if over-population is not THE problem, it sure is close, bears profoundly upon a lot of other problems, and dealing with it makes it more likely that the other problems can be addressed to some effect. I am ALL FOR better (and reduced) use of natural resources, have been since my 1950s boyhood (when, amazing as it might seem today, conservation of resources and wild places was a conservative Republican concern, in which Democrats of the time rarely expressed much interest). My overall point is that with a much smaller population, humans could sustainably live well, and do so WITH many of the modern trappings of Western life, intelligently modified.



Meanwhile, about your reference to a Logan's Run lottery, hmm, I might be tempted to take my chances provided I had access to a young Jenny Agutter, whoa!! (OTOH, if she got pregnant, I'd lose credibility on this subject, LOL).

[Ocean1]

You plucked it out of thin air and attempted to pass it of as being part of my thoughts expressed. That's at best delusional on your part

Thin air? It was the post I was replying to in the first of your above tedious wee list.

You're the one that picked up half the conversation and inserted your conflated assumptions about a link between happiness and productivity.

[husaberg]

Thin air? It was the post I was replying to in the first of your above tedious wee list.

You're the one that picked up half the conversation and inserted your conflated assumptions about a link between happiness and productivity.
Thin air...all right you were solely responding to my post thats why you quoted me and only me.
so again where did i mention remuneration in relation to productivity. you did, not me, then you claimed it was in relation to my thoughts expressed.
I replied to a single post where you displayed a thought process that was extremely flawed. Nothing in my reply was in regards to remuneration. quite the opposite.
339430

In case you missed all studies there is a extremely high coloration showing a10-20% improvement in between worker productivity and staff happiness this has been proven in multiple studies.
These are not a conflated assumption these are factual studies as i pointed out there are reasons successful firms carryout and implement strategies based on the findings of climate studies.
Nor as i have said does it surprise me at all that you are unaware of that

[mashman]

Mashman, given my DISpleasure with recent American elections, I'm pleased that you are willing to butt heads with me on this subject which is never ever mentioned by our idiots in office.

I didn't keep up with the mid-terms. Too busy staying away from the news. Anything interesting happen? And don't worry, you'll get the result you wanted next time ;). Butting heads eh. Grrrr. Roar. Snort.



Now, do you figure to educate the poor, hungry 80% to stop slashing and burning the world's jungles and forests or selling the wood to Japan, stop killing all the animals for bush-meat or to sell to the Chinese, AND to forget about ever having the resource-consuming luxuries that you'll have educated the 20% to forgo, such as modern hospitals and medicine, communications, mass production (of such things as motorcycles, hah!), buildings (ones for schools that don't leak or collapse in a strong wind, yadda, yadda, yadda.

We do what needs to be done or die out. We're already doing it i.e. Earth Overshoot, however we call it BAU. Slash and burn to turn resources into $ to sell back again. The future hope being that we can recycle/repurpose the stuff and use it again whilst retaining profit margins in a global business market that's sprinting towards technological unemployment.... yadda yadda yadda lol.

What needs to be done is to stop producing approximately 50% of that which serves no life purpose. Things like plastic cutlery, rubiks cubes, single use packaging (50% would likely go with the production cull) etc... and all of thpse bits n pieces of planet that get turned into $ to keep people able to go out and buy more pieces of planet.

We do what needs to be done or die out.



Sure, our distant ancestors all lived and survived as you point out that the 80% have done, . . . but they died like flies in times of famine, the moms very often died in childbirth or their offspring did, or if they survived being born, their llife expectancy was maybe thirty years, their lives included nothing in the way of intellectual content, they had no such thing as weekends or vacations, oh, AND despite lacking roads, they didn't even have dirtbikes. All in all, not a way of life I'd care to adopt, in comparison to being forbidden to have more than one kid (and in fact, I've never had one).


We die like flies in times of famine. We produce enough food to feed 10 billion, yet ships that could carry food or agri stuff maybe are carrying Rubiks cubes etc... We have more dwellings on this planet than there are humans by a long way. Yet billions of them leave their house and go to some other space for 8 hours a day doing a job that they could actually do from the house... therefore leaving spaces available for people to live in etc... We could do all sorts of simple things. One of the most productive would be to retask as much of the workforce as possible i.e. if your job is inherently pointless and there's something that needs doing in your neighbourhood that you are skilled/competent enough to do, then go do that instead and you'll be paid the same salary that you were being paid. Simple things that will free people up to do what needs to be done instead of doing a job that is inherently pointless etc... Converting lawns into vegetable patches with a splash of permaculture here and aquaponics there etc... and our requirement for regionally imported foodstuffs drops dramatically, and where that is done in conjunction with water collection, so we take more people off the mains and so on again. We'll realise that in NZ we live on a subduction zone, and we'll start building schools that are dome shaped given their strength instead of boxes. Should help with wind issues too. Soooo many simple things.

I don't see why we'd suddenly go backwards. Something like 82% of the worlds energy usage is bits of planet to make concrete, steel, a never ending stream of mobile phones i.e. general stuff. 18% is electricity requirement. Maybe we're using the planet incorrectly and calling it progress. As such, yeah I can see us dropping what needs to be dropped if it serves no life purpose, because the alternative is that die thing. Who knows, that may well include the death of the motorcycle. I hope not, but hey, until we stop producing the tat, we won't know how much will be left for toys.



Referring back to the destruction of woodlands/jungles/animals, the ONLY way the poor 80% have ever been educated to do less of that is when they learned that some members of the over-consuming 20% would fly in on their energy-profligate jetliners and spend tourist dollars.

Man gotta eat. Food costs money. Catch 22.



Sure, I'm arguing this by making extreme contrasts, yet it's not all that extreme. Have you heard the phrase, "cedars of Lebanon"? Pretty much all of the cedars of Lebanon (among other factors than slash and burn, they were imported by Egyptian and other regional boat-builders who otherwise only had access to unusable date-palms) were GONE by Bible times, the vegetation of the area having been devoured by the sheep and goats of the poor 80% of that time. I'm saying that humans are very capable of depleting resources, even in fairly low numbers and living their (short) pre-industrial lives.


As someone once said, life is an act of consumption. Easter Island being another example of a population not considering how it used its resources. Given where we are in terms of resource usage and general global societal cohesion, I see no extreme contrasts lol.



So if over-population is not THE problem, it sure is close, bears profoundly upon a lot of other problems, and dealing with it makes it more likely that the other problems can be addressed to some effect. I am ALL FOR better (and reduced) use of natural resources, have been since my 1950s boyhood (when, amazing as it might seem today, conservation of resources and wild places was a conservative Republican concern, in which Democrats of the time rarely expressed much interest). My overall point is that with a much smaller population, humans could sustainably live well, and do so WITH many of the modern trappings of Western life, intelligently modified.

For sure it's a problem, just not the one that's actually killing us and doing the damage. That's wholly at the door of inefficient and illogical production for money to grow an economy. One of the U.S. edu's produced a paper that calculated how much arable land there was available for each human being (taking into account mountains etc...). There is more than enough land for us to double the population... and that's the 2D version. The 3D version involves vertical things as well as stuff that lives under ground. Our carrying capacity is potentially much larger than it currently is. Obviously not for everyone to have Rubiks cubes etc... but certainly to live a spectacular life that may well include access to motorcycles, even Rubiks cubes. We have room for more people where we use what we have more aptly. But yeah, educate the kids and tell them to go home and tell their parents would work well, heh...



Meanwhile, about your reference to a Logan's Run lottery, hmm, I might be tempted to take my chances provided I had access to a young Jenny Agutter, whoa!! (OTOH, if she got pregnant, I'd lose credibility on this subject, LOL).

Her problem :killingme

[pritch]

Interesting MSM reporting for a change?


Geez John! I could only handle a few minutes of that. The Democrats focus for the election was healthcare. The Republican focus was the "invasion" of some desperate people nearly a thousand miles away.

It was almost a given that the Democrats would subpoena Trump's tax returns, although whether the returns will provide evidence of his laundering money for the Russian mafia is another matter. They will almost certainly show he pays no tax and will likely show he is nowhere near as rich as he claims.

I'm pleased to see Schiff is still planning on impeaching Kavanaugh, and although I didn't see it mentioned, I'll also be pleased when the new unconstitutionally appointed Attorney General gets the arse.

This clown show would be fucking hilarious if it wasn't so serious.

[oldrider]

Geez John! I could only handle a few minutes of that. The Democrats focus for the election was healthcare. The Republican focus was the "invasion" of some desperate people nearly a thousand miles away.

It was almost a given that the Democrats would subpoena Trump's tax returns, although whether the returns will provide evidence of his laundering money for the Russian mafia is another matter. They will almost certainly show he pays no tax and will likely show he is nowhere near as rich as he claims.

I'm pleased to see Schiff is still planning on impeaching Kavanaugh, and although I didn't see it mentioned, I'll also be pleased when the new unconstitutionally appointed Attorney General gets the arse.

This clown show would be fucking hilarious if it wasn't so serious.

Well I for one never expected anything else but a clown show (didn't stop me "hoping" for more though) with a choice between a turd or a piss pot for "leader"?

I think the writer got that pretty much on the mark - the real government sent the people a message - "don't fuck with us"! :no:

[husaberg]

It was almost a given that the Democrats would subpoena Trump's tax returns, although whether the returns will provide evidence of his laundering money for the Russian mafia is another matter. They will almost certainly show he pays no tax and will likely show he is nowhere near as rich as he claims.


xcuses that Trump and his supporters have given for not releasing tax returns

Trump: “I’m being audited … so I can’t.” (See next section.) (Repeatedly since February)
Trump: “There’s nothing to learn from them.” (Fact-checkers say this is false.) (February, February, May, May, January)
Trump: “Mitt Romney looked like a fool when he delayed and delayed and delayed and … didn’t file until a month and a half before the election and it cost him big league.” (February, July)
Trump: His tax rate is “none of your business.” (May)
Paul Manafort, former campaign chairman: American people “wouldn’t understand them.” (May)
Manafort: The only people who want them “are the people who want to defeat him.” (May)
Trump: “I don’t think anybody cares.” (Polls show this is false.) (May, September)
Eric Trump, son: Would be “foolish” to release; “you would have a bunch of people who know nothing about taxes trying to look through and trying to come up with assumptions on things that they know nothing about.” (August)
Mike Pence, vice president who released his tax returns: They’re a “distraction.” (September)
Donald Trump Jr.: “Would distract from (his dad’s) main message.” (September)
Kellyanne Conway, then-campaign manager and current counselor to the president: “I just can’t find where this is a burning issue to most of the Americans.” (In April, before joining his campaign, Conway said, “Donald Trump’s tax returns aren’t … transparent” and called for their release.) (September)
Jeffrey Lord, commentator: Tax returns are “a political gimmick, a gotcha … Political opponents are going to go through there and look to make issues out of things.” (September)
Trump Jr.: “There’s a lot in a 12,000-page tax return that wouldn’t make sense to open up.” (September)
Trump: “You will learn more about Donald Trump” by looking at his financial disclosure forms than by looking at tax returns. (Fact-checkers say this is false.) (September)
Rudy Giuliani, Trump surrogate: “The way all of you are treating this is a very good indication of why someone might not want to release their tax returns.” (October)
Trump: Blames Clinton for fact he doesn’t pay taxes: “A lot of my write-off was depreciation, and that, Hillary as a senator, allowed. The people that give her all this money want it.” (As a senator, Clinton did vote to close tax loopholes — including one Trump may have used to pay no federal income taxes.) (October)
Trump: “The only ones that care about my tax returns are the reporters.” (Roughly 74 percent of Americans, including 53 percent of Republicans, say Trump should make his tax returns public, according to a Washington Post-ABC poll in January.) (January)
Conway: “People didn’t care. They voted for him, and let me make this very clear: Most Americans are very focused on what their tax returns will look like while President Trump is in office, not what his look like.” (January)


Why IRS audits do not prevent Trump from releasing his tax returns

Trump’s tax attorneys said in March that his returns since 2009 were being audited. The IRS said nothing, including an audit, “prevents individuals from sharing their own tax information.”
His tax attorneys said returns from 2002 to 2008 are no longer being audited. Neither are the returns from 1977 to 2002. Trump said he will still not release any of those returns because “they’re all linked.”
Multiple former IRS commissioners say audits are a bad excuse.
President Richard Nixon released his tax returns while under audit.
All major presidential nominees of the past 40 years have released their tax returns.
Trump can delay the completion of his audits.
As president, Trump will be automatically audited every year, an IRS practice in place for presidents and vice presidents since the 1970s.
Every elected president, dating back to Richard Nixon, has voluntarily released his tax returns each year.


What we would learn from Trump’s tax returns

How much (or how little) money he makes
How much (or how little) he pays in taxes
How much (or how little) he gives to charity
What deductions and tax credits he uses
His investments
His business partners
Who he owes money
What he writes off as business expenses
How much (or how little) money he keeps in foreign accounts (including in Russia)

What Trump has said about his tax returns
2011: Said he would release tax returns after President Obama released his long-form birth certificate
2014: Said he would “absolutely” release returns “if I decide to run for office.”
2015: “I would release tax returns. … Nobody knows the tax return world better than me.”
2015: Said he would release tax returns when “we find out the true story on Hillary’s emails.”
January 2016: Said he was ready to disclose his “very big … very beautiful” returns.
February 2016: Said he would release returns “probably over the next few months.”
February 2016: “I will absolutely give my return, but I’m being audited now for two or three [years’ worth] now so I can’t.”
February 2016: Responding to claims he has a “bombshell” in his taxes,” Trump said: “We’ll make a determination over the next couple of months. It’s very complicated.”
May 2016: Said he fights “very hard to pay as little tax as possible.”
May 2016: Will “release my tax returns when audit is complete, not after election!”
July: Manafort: “Mr. Trump has said that his taxes are under audit and he will not be releasing them.”
July: “I haven’t had much pressure (to release tax returns). I’ll be honest, most people don’t care.”
September: “When the audit is complete I will release my returns. I have no problem with it. It doesn’t matter.”
September debate: “I will release my tax returns, against my lawyer’s wishes, when [Clinton] releases her 33,000 emails that have been deleted.”
January, first press event as president: “I’m not releasing the tax returns because as you know they’re under audit.”
May: “I might release them after I’m out of office.”


2012: Trump Said Romney, the Republican presidential nominee, should release his tax returns: April 1 “historically is the time that everybody gives them.”

Trump’s tax attorneys said in March that his returns since 2009 were being audited. The IRS said nothing, including an audit, “prevents individuals from sharing their own tax information.”
His tax attorneys said returns from 2002 to 2008 are no longer being audited. Neither are the returns from 1977 to 2002. Trump said he will still not release any of those returns because “they’re all linked.”
Multiple former IRS commissioners say audits are a bad excuse.
President Richard Nixon released his tax returns while under audit.
All major presidential nominees of the past 40 years have released their tax returns.
Trump can delay the completion of his audits.
As president, Trump will be automatically audited every year, an IRS practice in place for presidents and vice presidents since the 1970s.
Every elected president, dating back to Richard Nixon, has voluntarily released his tax returns each year.

[Ocean1]

Thin air...all right you were solely responding to my post thats why you quoted me and only me.
so again where did i mention remuneration in relation to productivity. you did, not me, then you claimed it was in relation to my thoughts expressed.
I replied to a single post where you displayed a thought process that was extremely flawed. Nothing in my reply was in regards to remuneration. quite the opposite.
339430

In case you missed all studies there is a extremely high coloration showing a10-20% improvement in between worker productivity and staff happiness this has been proven in multiple studies.
These are not a conflated assumption these are factual studies as i pointed out there are reasons successful firms carryout and implement strategies based on the findings of climate studies.
Nor as i have said does it surprise me at all that you are unaware of that

:facepalm: So many straw mens....

[husaberg]

:facepalm: So many straw mens....

Really you replied stating it was in reply to stuff i clearly never said. Maybe you need to figure out why it that was and how it had nothing to do with me and everything to do with you illogical thought process.
The straw-man was you claiming i had said anything to do with remuneration at all.
I said

So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.
To which you replied

I've never seen a survey showing remuneration as the leading factor in employee satisfaction or performance, at least not among career professionals. And I've seen a few.
And my staff were neither unhappy or unproductive. Funny how that doesn't fit your preconceived theories about how that shit works.

A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent.

You might want to point out how the numerous studies that support that happy workers are more productive is a strawman when i said happy workers are more productive and visa versa..

So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesn't it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.


your conflated assumptions about a link between happiness and productivity.

But it gets better, My assumptions about worker productivity, really my own assumptions.But i guess you know more than forbes, Google and many other university reasarchers and other companies do.
Why not you are ocean.............

Employee happiness has increasingly become an imperative in business. Why? There is now growing evidence that when one's employees are happy, organizations thrive.
To put this claim into perspective, consider just a few key statistics.
One study found that happy employees are up to 20% more productive than unhappy employees. When it comes to salespeople, happiness has an even greater impact, raising sales by 37%. But the benefits don't end there.
Happy employees are also good news for organizations: The stock prices of Fortune’s “100 Best Companies to Work for" rose 14% per year from 1998 to 2005, while companies not on the list only reported a 6% increase. https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbescoachescouncil/2017/12/13/promoting-employee-happiness-benefits-everyone/#5cf8d8b8581a


n a recent study Professor Andrew Oswald, Dr. Eugenio Proto and Dr. Daniel Sgroi from the Department of Economics at the University of Warwick conducted a number of experiments to test the idea that happy employees work harder. Results indicated that happiness led to a 12% spike in productivity, while unhappy workers proved 10% less productive. The research team concluded that “…human happiness has large and positive causal effects on productivity.”] https://tdsolutions.org/workplace-productivity/happy-workers-are-productive-workers


We find that human happiness has large and positive causal effects on productivity. Positive emotions appear to invigorate human beings. Under scientifically controlled conditions, making workers happier really pays off. Companies like Google have invested more in employee support and employee satisfaction has risen as a result. For Google, it rose by 37 percent. The driving force seems to be that happier workers use the time they have more effectively, increasing the pace at which they can work without sacrificing quality.

That leads to the question, how do companies begin a cultural shift to happiness to leverage its benefits? Well, first of all, happiness isn't something leaders impose or force on employees as a top-down program or engagement strategy to squeeze more productivity out of them.

For the most part, it's a mindset that begins with leaders shifting their own beliefs and accepting employees as their greatest asset. When human beings at work are held with the utmost regard, you begin to treat them differently.
https://www.inc.com/marcel-schwantes/want-a-happier-workplace-studies-say-the-best-companies-do-these-5-things-every-.html


Professor Andrew Oswald, one of three researchers who led the study, said companies that invest in employee support and satisfaction tend to succeed in generating happier workers. At Google, employee satisfaction rose 37% as a result of those initiatives—suggesting that financial incentives aren’t enough to make for highly productive employees.
https://www.fastcompany.com/3048751/happy-employees-are-12-more-productive-at-work

[jasonu]

Geez John! I could only handle a few minutes of that. The Democrats focus for the election was healthcare. The Republican focus was the "invasion" of some desperate people nearly a thousand miles away.

It was almost a given that the Democrats would subpoena Trump's tax returns, although whether the returns will provide evidence of his laundering money for the Russian mafia is another matter. They will almost certainly show he pays no tax and will likely show he is nowhere near as rich as he claims.

I'm pleased to see Schiff is still planning on impeaching Kavanaugh, and although I didn't see it mentioned, I'll also be pleased when the new unconstitutionally appointed Attorney General gets the arse.

This clown show would be fucking hilarious if it wasn't so serious.

Schiff is the biggest cry baby whiner finger pointer big mouth the Dems have.

[pritch]

Schiff is the biggest cry baby whiner finger pointer big mouth the Dems have.

On that we don't exactly disagree, we'll see.

[AllanB]

I fail to understand why US news gets top billing in NZ. I seriously don't give a rats arse about their politics or mass shootings and strongly feel US related stories should be bumped well down the article listing, just before the sports person announces the seventy second person getting a All Black cap in 2018 ........

[oldrider]

I fail to understand why US news gets top billing in NZ. I seriously don't give a rats arse about their politics or mass shootings and strongly feel US related stories should be bumped well down the article listing, just before the sports person announces the seventy second person getting a All Black cap in 2018 ........

It's just the way the game is played - unfortunately we are the pawns and as such have rather low value and even less say!:- https://twitter.com/DesiTice/status/1060399134534815745/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline% 7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F

[Ocean1]

Really you replied stating it was in reply to stuff i clearly never said. Maybe you need to figure out why it that was and how it had nothing to do with me and everything to do with you illogical thought process.
The straw-man was you claiming i had said anything to do with remuneration at all.
I said

To which you replied



You might want to point out how the numerous studies that support that happy workers are more productive is a strawman when i said happy workers are more productive and visa versa..



But it gets better, My assumptions about worker productivity, really my own assumptions.But i guess you know more than forbes, Google and many other university reasarchers and other companies do.
Why not you are ocean.............

Dude, nobody reads your wall-of-text/quote-justifications, give it up, you entered a discussion about employee remuneration and blathered on about happy = productive. If you're so upset about your perceived interpretation of the existing discussion then start your own fucking discussion. I won't be contributing, there's no point, you can't fucking read and you repeatedly fail the comprehension thing.

[jasonu]

I fail to understand why US news gets top billing in NZ. I seriously don't give a rats arse about their politics or mass shootings and strongly feel US related stories should be bumped well down the article listing, just before the sports person announces the seventy second person getting a All Black cap in 2018 ........

NZ is one of the few countries that still likes the USA. Mind you, with the Tooth Fairy in charge that might not be the case in another 2 years time.

[husaberg]

Dude, nobody reads your wall-of-text/quote-justifications, give it up, you entered a discussion about employee remuneration and blathered on about happy = productive. If you're so upset about your perceived interpretation of the existing discussion then start your own fucking discussion. I won't be contributing, there's no point, you can't fucking read and you repeatedly fail the comprehension thing.
I dont care if anybody reads what i write you clearly dont, otherwise you would have not claimed i inferred something i clearly didn't, you egg. You are the only person talking about remuneration i never did. Grow up and learn some comprehension.
Happy employees are more productive while idiots have to resort to swearing as they dont have a decent enough vocabulary or constructive argument or it seems a half decent excuse when you cock up.

[jasonu]

On that we don't exactly disagree, we'll see.

Yep, MSNBC trots him out at least once a week to have a public blub boohoo whinge and a cry.

[Ocean1]

I dont care if anybody reads what i write you clearly dont, otherwise you would have not claimed i inferred something i clearly didn't, you egg. You are the only person talking about remuneration i never did. Grow up and learn some comprehension.
Happy employees are more productive while idiots have to resort to swearing as they dont have a decent enough vocabulary or constructive argument or it seems a half decent excuse when you cock up.

So leme see now....


Might help if they share the increased profits with the workers too - in terms of higher wages ..


Oh aye. 'Cause the employees would absolutely bail the company out if they had a bad year.


Unhappy and demoralized staff are less productive - and a good way to help the company have a bad year ...

I'm with Richard Branson who said "Train your staff so they can leave, treat them well so they don't want to."

He's made millions implementing that approach ..


Turns out remuneration has fuck all to do with whether employees are unhappy or demoralised.

But say it did. Why wouldn't you parse that as "A good way to help the company have a good year is to be happy and productive"?

See, the socialist outlook "the company/govt/taxpayer is responsible for my morale and income" fails. Every time. Demonstrably and repeatedly. And yet from exactly the same starting point, the other one doesn't.


So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.


I've never seen a survey showing remuneration as the leading factor in employee satisfaction or performance, at least not among career professionals. And I've seen a few.

And my staff were neither unhappy or unproductive. Funny how that doesn't fit your preconceived theories about how that shit works.

So did you miss the fact that remuneration was the core topic being discussed or did you just ignore it?

Or were you just blinded by visions of the even bogyman mistreating his underpaid minions and decided to take him to task for that?

See, you really are the only one assuming the discussion is about the relationship between happy and productive. It's not.

[husaberg]

So leme see now....




Turns out remuneration has fuck all to do with whether employees are unhappy or demoralised.
But say it did. Why wouldn't you parse that as "A good way to help the company have a good year is to be happy and productive"?
See, the socialist outlook "the company/govt/taxpayer is responsible for my morale and income" fails. Every time. Demonstrably and repeatedly. And yet from exactly the same starting point, the other one doesn't.


Unhappy and demoralized staff are less productive - and a good way to help the company have a bad year ...
I'm with Richard Branson who said "Train your staff so they can leave, treat them well so they don't want to."
He's made millions implementing that approach ..


So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.


I've never seen a survey showing remuneration as the leading factor in employee satisfaction or performance, at least not among career professionals. And I've seen a few.
And my staff were neither unhappy or unproductive. Funny how that doesn't fit your preconceived theories about how that shit works.


I have no doubt you understand very little about about staff productivity as i seems you cant follow a simple line of thought, where did i mention anything about remuneration. i mentioned productivity and unhappy staff. you then drew an il-considered conclusion based on your own preconceived notion.
Judging by your attitudes expressed and your inability to actually read what is written i doubt you will even understand one.
Of course you will claim to know far more than everyone else on this subject as well.

So did you miss the fact that remuneration was the core topic being discussed or did you just ignore it?

Or were you just blinded by visions of the even bogyman mistreating his underpaid minions and decided to take him to task for that?

See, you really are the only one assuming the discussion is about the relationship between happy and productive. It's not.

Here is a hint I quoted your post solely in replying to mine , you then attempted to misrepresent what i had said. which you have continued to do since, which has showed a total lack of balls.
Don't get me wrong its not a surprise.

[Ocean1]

Here is a hint I quoted your post solely in replying to mine then attempted to misrepresent what i had said. then you have since then showed a total lack of balls.
Don't get me wrong its not a surprise.

Well shit, even with help you fuck up the comprehension thing.

Seriously, go read it until you understand. I'll be right over here, not holding my breath.

[husaberg]

So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.


I've never seen a survey showing remuneration as the leading factor in employee satisfaction or performance, at least not among career professionals. And I've seen a few.
And my staff were neither unhappy or unproductive. Funny how that doesn't fit your preconceived theories about how that shit works.


I have no doubt you understand very little about about staff productivity as i seems you cant follow a simple line of thought, where did i mention anything about remuneration. i mentioned productivity and unhappy staff. you then drew an il-considered conclusion based on your own preconceived notion.
Judging by your attitudes expressed and your inability to actually read what is written i doubt you will even understand one.
Of course you will claim to know far more than everyone else on this subject as well.


Well shit, I clearly f-ed up.
I had no arguement so i just implied you had said stuff you clearly didnt because i are clearly under endowed
Seriously, goi have no excuse as to why i will not admit it as i am a total egg.
Edited to reflect reality

[seattle smitty]

Mashman, you remind me of the Bible-thumpers in this country with their god directing them to populate and subdue the earth, who respond to people like me with, "I fly over this country and see LOTS of unused empty space." By which I guess they mean that we could add another 10 billion. That if there's any wild space, fill it up, pave it, build houses, have babies, replace space-wasting farms with hydroponics, have more babies, work from home because all human work should be done on a keyboard and all other work by robots), have even more babies, etc. I understand that much of China is already at an early stage of this, with no privacy, no space.

Sounds like a version of Hell to me.

If I could be transported back to the 1950s (with half the present population, twice the wilderness), I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[Ocean1]

Edited, because that's what I always do

..............

[husaberg]

So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.


I've never seen a survey showing remuneration as the leading factor in employee satisfaction or performance, at least not among career professionals. And I've seen a few.

And my staff were neither unhappy or unproductive. Funny how that doesn't fit your preconceived theories about how that shit works.

okay, .So where did i say anything about remuneration. it shouldnt be hard for you to show this ,if i actually had after-all.


I have no doubt you understand very little about about staff productivity as i seems you cant follow a simple line of thought, where did i mention anything about remuneration. i mentioned productivity and unhappy staff. you then drew an il-considered conclusion based on your own preconceived notion.
Judging by your attitudes expressed and your inability to actually read what is written i doubt you will even understand one.
Of course you will claim to know far more than everyone else on this subject as well.



You're the one that picked up half the conversation and inserted your conflated assumptions about a link between happiness and productivity.

Secondly it will not be hard for you to show there is not a well proven extensively documented link between staff happiness and productivity.
Unless of course you were talking through a hole in your bottom.
Unless you can actually prove both it is apparent you are clearly wrong.

[mashman]

Mashman, you remind me of the Bible-thumpers in this country with their god directing them to populate and subdue the earth, who respond to people like me with, "I fly over this country and see LOTS of unused empty space." By which I guess they mean that we could add another 10 billion. That if there's any wild space, fill it up, pave it, build houses, have babies, replace space-wasting farms with hydroponics, have more babies, work from home because all human work should be done on a keyboard and all other work by robots), have even more babies, etc. I understand that much of China is already at an early stage of this, with no privacy, no space.

Sounds like a version of Hell to me.

If I could be transported back to the 1950s (with half the present population, twice the wilderness), I'd do it in a heartbeat.

If that's what you read as me conveying, then stop reading me as a bible-thumper and try the concerned human being projection in its place. What is stated is true. We could, in theory, double the population if we addressed Earth Overshoot and the production issues that cause it and still have stunning lives. In fact the way I see it as being by far better than the standard of living today, or pretty much any other yesterday. As such, I Am not saying that we should in any way shape or form even attempt to grow the population, because that would see population growth replace production growth as the leading cause of Earth Overshoot. Thanks for the mental image of me bible-thumping though :niceone:, but you can keep the projection.

I'll settle for the 70's. At least there was something akin to music around then :niceone:

[husaberg]

Mashman, you remind me of the Bible-thumpers in this country with their god directing them to populate and subdue the earth, who respond to people like me with, "I fly over this country and see LOTS of unused empty space." By which I guess they mean that we could add another 10 billion. That if there's any wild space, fill it up, pave it, build houses, have babies, replace space-wasting farms with hydroponics, have more babies, work from home because all human work should be done on a keyboard and all other work by robots), have even more babies, etc. I understand that much of China is already at an early stage of this, with no privacy, no space.

Sounds like a version of Hell to me.

If I could be transported back to the 1950s (with half the present population, twice the wilderness), I'd do it in a heartbeat.


Those bible basher have wider support than Mashman has in NZ.
he only got 214 votes in the election
https://www.parliament.nz/en/mps-and-electorates/electorate-profiles/electorate-profiles-data/document/DBHOH_Lib_EP_Mana_Electoral_Profile/mana-electoral-profile#_20

In his home town when he stood for mayor he only got slightly more. 337
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/85220440/Defeated-Porirua-mayoral-candidates-look-on-the-bright-side

Although he likes to make out his views are widely supported it's readily apparent they are not.

[Voltaire]

Those bible basher have wider support than Mashman has in NZ.
he only got 214 votes in the election
https://www.parliament.nz/en/mps-and-electorates/electorate-profiles/electorate-profiles-data/document/DBHOH_Lib_EP_Mana_Electoral_Profile/mana-electoral-profile#_20

In his home town when he stood for mayor he only got slightly more. 337
https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/85220440/Defeated-Porirua-mayoral-candidates-look-on-the-bright-side

Although he likes to make out his views are widely supported it's readily apparent they are not.

200 is pretty good, doubt I could manage more than the Missus and the dog.... and he could be bribed, However he’d have to lump it as his performance does not contribute to the bottom line.

[husaberg]

200 is pretty good, doubt I could manage more than the Missus and the dog.... and he could be bribed, However he’d have to lump it as his performance does not contribute to the bottom line.


Dont sell yourself short,Based on experience people can get more than 1% or 5x the votes mashy received just based on mistaken identity alone.
He had a plan of setting up tinnie houses on motorway bypasses Maybe if i ask nicely he will elaborate on it further.

[Ocean1]

okay, .So where did i say anything about remuneration. it shouldnt be hard for you to show this ,if i actually had after-all.





Secondly it will not be hard for you to show there is not a well proven extensively documented link between staff happiness and productivity.
Unless of course you were talking through a hole in your bottom.
Unless you can actually prove both it is apparent you are clearly wrong.

Yeah I thought that's what you'd got wrong.

Show me where I related staff happiness to productivity.

[husaberg]

Yeah I thought that's what you'd got wrong.

Show me where I related staff happiness to productivity.

You are gish galloping you either answer my questions or just slink off back to watching New Statesman reruns pretending you are Allan rather than Piers.
If you cant answer my questions the only logical reason is you clearly made the crap up.


So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.


I've never seen a survey showing remuneration as the leading factor in employee satisfaction or performance, at least not among career professionals. And I've seen a few.

And my staff were neither unhappy or unproductive. Funny how that doesn't fit your preconceived theories about how that shit works.

okay, .So where did i say anything about remuneration. it shouldnt be hard for you to show this ,if i actually had after-all.


I have no doubt you understand very little about about staff productivity as i seems you cant follow a simple line of thought, where did i mention anything about remuneration. i mentioned productivity and unhappy staff. you then drew an il-considered conclusion based on your own preconceived notion.
Judging by your attitudes expressed and your inability to actually read what is written i doubt you will even understand one.
Of course you will claim to know far more than everyone else on this subject as well.



You're the one that picked up half the conversation and inserted your conflated assumptions about a link between happiness and productivity.

Secondly it will not be hard for you to show there is not a well proven extensively documented link between staff happiness and productivity.
Unless of course you were talking through a hole in your bottom.
Unless you can actually prove both it is apparent you are clearly wrong.

[Ocean1]

You are gish galloping you either answer my questions or just slink off back to watching New Statesman reruns pretending you are Allan rather than Piers.
If you cant answer my questions the only logical reason is you clearly made the crap up.





okay, .So where did i say anything about remuneration. it shouldnt be hard for you to show this ,if i actually had after-all.





Secondly it will not be hard for you to show there is not a well proven extensively documented link between staff happiness and productivity.
Unless of course you were talking through a hole in your bottom.
Unless you can actually prove both it is apparent you are clearly wrong.

I don't have to, I never made any claim relating the two, if I had you'd have no trouble quoting it.

So you fabricated that shit, the only real question is whether you did so because you're duplicitous or simply stupid.

It'll be more obvious which depending on whether you admit you fucked up and apologise or double down yet again on a completely unsupported rhetoric.

[husaberg]

I don't have to, I never made any claim relating the two, if I had you'd have no trouble quoting it.

So you fabricated that shit, the only real question is whether you did so because you're duplicitous or simply stupid.

It'll be more obvious which depending on whether you admit you fucked up and apologise or double down yet again on a completely unsupported rhetoric.
Oh grow up you are the one making claims you cant back up and refusing to answer simple questions you would have to be the most condescending narcissistic lying idiot ever to grace this site.

If you cant answer my questions the only logical reason is you clearly made the crap up.


So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.


I've never seen a survey showing remuneration as the leading factor in employee satisfaction or performance, at least not among career professionals. And I've seen a few.

And my staff were neither unhappy or unproductive. Funny how that doesn't fit your preconceived theories about how that shit works.

okay, .So where did i say anything about remuneration. it shouldnt be hard for you to show this ,if i actually had after-all.


I have no doubt you understand very little about about staff productivity as i seems you cant follow a simple line of thought, where did i mention anything about remuneration. i mentioned productivity and unhappy staff. you then drew an il-considered conclusion based on your own preconceived notion.
Judging by your attitudes expressed and your inability to actually read what is written i doubt you will even understand one.
Of course you will claim to know far more than everyone else on this subject as well.



You're the one that picked up half the conversation and inserted your conflated assumptions about a link between happiness and productivity.

Secondly it will not be hard for you to show there is not a well proven extensively documented link between staff happiness and productivity.
Unless of course you were talking through a hole in your bottom.
Unless you can actually prove both it is apparent you are clearly wrong.

[Ocean1]

Oh grow up you are the one making claims you cant back up and refusing to answer simple questions you would have to be the most condescending narcissistic lying idiot ever to grace this site.

If you cant answer my questions the only logical reason is you clearly made the crap up.





okay, .So where did i say anything about remuneration. it shouldnt be hard for you to show this ,if i actually had after-all.





Secondly it will not be hard for you to show there is not a well proven extensively documented link between staff happiness and productivity.
Unless of course you were talking through a hole in your bottom.
Unless you can actually prove both it is apparent you are clearly wrong.

As expected. Duplicitous twat it is.

[husaberg]

As expected. Duplicitous twat it is.
No need to be so hard on yourself but If you cant answer my questions the only logical reason is you clearly made the crap up.


So all those climate surveys top performing companies use are in your opinion a waste of time, seems a bit odd they keep doing them then doesnt it.
Have you never figured out unhappy staff are not particularly productive. Just maybe you don't know as much as you think you do.


I've never seen a survey showing remuneration as the leading factor in employee satisfaction or performance, at least not among career professionals. And I've seen a few.

And my staff were neither unhappy or unproductive. Funny how that doesn't fit your preconceived theories about how that shit works.

okay, .So where did i say anything about remuneration. it shouldnt be hard for you to show this ,if i actually had after-all.


I have no doubt you understand very little about about staff productivity as i seems you cant follow a simple line of thought, where did i mention anything about remuneration. i mentioned productivity and unhappy staff. you then drew an il-considered conclusion based on your own preconceived notion.
Judging by your attitudes expressed and your inability to actually read what is written i doubt you will even understand one.
Of course you will claim to know far more than everyone else on this subject as well.



You're the one that picked up half the conversation and inserted your conflated assumptions about a link between happiness and productivity.

Secondly it will not be hard for you to show there is not a well proven extensively documented link between staff happiness and productivity.
Unless of course you were talking through a hole in your bottom. In that instead of it being "a conflated assumptions about a link between happiness and productivity" its a well documented and well known link.
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178017-The-American-(USA)-2016-presidential-elections-thread?p=1131115574#post1131115574
Unless you can actually prove both it is apparent you are clearly wrong.

[seattle smitty]

Haw, score! Mashman, I thought the Bible-thumper reference might get a rise out of you! I'm doing this only semi-seriously since I know my ideas don't sell, and I know nothing significant will be done until disaster has arrived, at which time i'll have long-since croaked. As a long time ex-Christian atheist, materialist, and something of a nihilist, I know I won't personally care about any of it. Nor will anyone else who has met the end we all meet. But during my few decades of life, it has been a good distraction to act as if we human and other living beings are enormously important in the long run. Today I am compelled to distract myself in my old age by welding on a nice lady's horse trailer. Thanks, Mashman.

[mashman]

Haw, score! Mashman, I thought the Bible-thumper reference might get a rise out of you! I'm doing this only semi-seriously since I know my ideas don't sell, and I know nothing significant will be done until disaster has arrived, at which time i'll have long-since croaked. As a long time ex-Christian atheist, materialist, and something of a nihilist, I know I won't personally care about any of it. Nor will anyone else who has met the end we all meet. But during my few decades of life, it has been a good distraction to act as if we human and other living beings are enormously important in the long run. Today I am compelled to distract myself in my old age by welding on a nice lady's horse trailer. Thanks, Mashman.

Another optimist I see. Yeah, you got me good.

[Swoop]

Maybe all those cunts who mostly can’t prove who they are or where they came from should be shipped to NZ and can set up shop in your neighborhood.
The ToothMonster and her ilk certainly would love to do just that.


... citizenship for all offspring of non-citizens who bring them across our borders to be born.
NZ has seen a bit of that over the years. Particularly heavily-pregnant asian "tourists" arriving here on holiday...
"Oh! baby arrive. Birth certificate & citizenship please".

Population control is more nearly possible, as the Chinese used to at least attempt to do. Their solution (among others) will eventually have to be widely adopted.
Oddly, the chinese limitation of having children has resulted in a lack of people being able to look after their elders and the relaxation of that "one child" rule has happened. It's affected their military as well.

[oldrider]

Then when they want war they shall have war because the divided will demand it. :rolleyes: https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1061759255966040065/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Eembeddedtimeline% 7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F :brick: (watch this space)

[husaberg]

Ever noticed how religious nuts are always predicting the end of the world.
https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2011/08/23/42416136-SS_Doomsday_Prophets_Cults_Cover.600x400.jpg?v=130 2032978
Heavens Gate
David Koresh
Jim Jones
hinri Kyo Shoko Asahara
Charles Manson

[jasonu]

Ever noticed how religious nuts are always predicting the end of the world.
https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2011/08/23/42416136-SS_Doomsday_Prophets_Cults_Cover.600x400.jpg?v=130 2032978
Heavens Gate
David Koresh
Jim Jones
hinri Kyo Shoko Asahara
Charles Manson

and one day they will be right...
Just think of all the 'I told you so's'

[husaberg]

and one day they will be right...
Just think of all the 'I told you so's'
One of them might one day, which means all of the others got it wrong every other time. but yeah the i told you so's...........the next day will be epic......

[oldrider]

and one day they will be right...
Just think of all the 'I told you so's'

Even a broken clock is right twice a day - so there is hope yet for husaberg to get something right but don't hold your breath! :yawn:

[seattle smitty]

Oddly, the chinese limitation of having children has resulted in a lack of people being able to look after their elders and the relaxation of that "one child" rule has happened. It's affected their military as well.


Right, Swoop, but that's what the self-appointed economics experts use as an excuse here for taking in evermore immigrants, ever more immigrant babies, ever more populace from all sources: "We can't AFFORD any population control." So no one ever tries to think of how to manage a transition to fewer people. Well, to what extent they were ever right, they are very wrong now. Robotics-tech and robot intelligence is advancing faster than reporters are able to announce all the breakthroughs. Robots will very soon be handling all manner of tasks done by humans, and the problem will NOT be in the ability to provide for all of us, but in finding socio-economic means of transferring the wealth as necessary. The owners of the big corporations that will be first to take advantage of the coming intelligent robots will use them, as always, to put humans out of work while taking nearly all of the increased profits as personal "compensation." Figure that one out, and we can get a handle on human over-population without having a tiny class of "haves" and a huge number of "have-nots."

This will be the problem until the robots take over, possibly maintaining us as curiosities, a species of paupers.

[Swoop]

Figure that one out, and we can get a handle on human over-population...

Bare in mind what will happen to the planet IF a cure for cancer is found. More people living on the planet and for a longer time too.

[husaberg]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day - so there is hope yet for husaberg to get something right but don't hold your breath! :yawn:
lets see
First you called Trump a patsy put into the election to make sure Clinton won the election
then hes his own man who will get assassinated for making changes and upsetting what you believe is some global conspiracy
Then according to you hes a just a jew patsy plant later on.
then hes his own man again
you really need to stick to one story

While you are at it how about you respond to this post



husaberg story of bravery?
Israeli soldier gives 74-year-old Palestinian woman water:- https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20150120-israeli-soldier-gives-74-year-old-palestinian-woman-water-then-shoots-her-in-the-head/


Exactly how do i fit in to this story oldie
BTW does what you posted really seem real to you?
Does it seem a bit odd it was not reported until 6 months later and that there were no photos or video of her body or head injuries or it would happen leaving witnesses to tell the story?
http://www.hoaxsearch.com/israeli-soldier-giving-water/
http://www.alhaq.org/documentation/weekly-focuses/821-al-haq-field-updates-from-the-gaza-strip
http://www.thomaswictor.com/nobody-actually-believes-this-garbage/
http://www.hoaxsearch.com/israeli-soldier-giving-water/
Do you know what an 5.56 bullet at a few meters into a skull would do in regards to a exit wound

[oldrider]

The Short War With Gaza Exposed Israel’s Weakness? https://southfront.org/the-short-war-with-gaza-exposed-israels-weakness/

[Swoop]

"The Palestinians in Gaza are united. The resistance against the occupation is alive and well".
:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:: laugh:

[oldrider]

Strange forest fires where the forest doesn't actually burn?

In this video, single homes were burned down with no damage to neighboring homes. Can anyone explain this? :scratch: https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1063244258893799424 :confused:

[Swoop]

"Nothing on this page is real" - How lies become truth online.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12162400

An interesting read, especially with the amount of KB members who post shit from websites like this.
How many are just one, sad person in a room, with access to the interdwibble and a website? Remember that there are individual's with their opinion, groups with agendas, political supporters, governments and conglomerates. All have the opportunity to post "something" and have you believe it.
Russia excels in disinformation, where china deletes what is does not like (criticism of the communist dictatorship) and provides lots of "alternative truths".

People are gullible.
People are stupid.
There is normally a reason that people do this sort of thing... $$'s.

[oldrider]

"Nothing on this page is real" - How lies become truth online.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12162400

An interesting read, especially with the amount of KB members who post shit from websites like this.
How many are just one, sad person in a room, with access to the interdwibble and a website? Remember that there are individual's with their opinion, groups with agendas, political supporters, governments and conglomerates. All have the opportunity to post "something" and have you believe it.
Russia excels in disinformation, where china deletes what is does not like (criticism of the communist dictatorship) and provides lots of "alternative truths".

People are gullible.
People are stupid.
There is normally a reason that people do this sort of thing... $$'s.

$$$$? - Don't know how to do that! - Don't really want to know either.

Just because I post shit doesn't mean I believe it - that is up to the reader to decide (if any) surely!

Some narrow minded people seem to think that if you post criticism of National that you support Labour ffs. -

Sometimes I post shit just to show that there is another opinion/point of view out there other than MSM or the official narrative etc.

KB (or the interweb in general) to me is like talking in the pub without the expense of having to buy a round every few minutes!

The shit is the same only the depth seems to vary a little more now and then.

We dont watch TV (repeats and shit news) and only buy a paper to check out the death notices in case we miss someone important to us has passed.

E-mail.
Internet banking.
KB. (fun)
Sports results.
Light breeze through general world news reports and lies.
I build things and the internet is great for brushing up on things I have technically lost touch with. (or never knew) - Thats about it for me! :corn:

[pritch]

"Nothing on this page is real" - How lies become truth online.


That technology has been around a while now, the Harold is just catching up.

There is a lot of "fake news" and it is getting harder to tell the difference. Murdoch has a lot to answer for with the crap spewed by Fox and the various tabloid papers he owns in the UK. The msm aren't helping as they compete for a shrinking advertising dollar.

There's a lot of gullible bastards around believing this rubbish, that's how we got Trump and Brexit.

[Voltaire]

I used to get the Sunday Sport for its investigative journalism....

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/Sunday_Sport.jpg

https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5107/5683784770_7ffec6193d.jpg

They must have restored that bomber by now, must Google it.:laugh:

[Ocean1]

I used to get the Sunday Sport for its investigative journalism....

They must have restored that bomber by now, must Google it.:laugh:

Aye! And yer old fashioned fake news was so much more absorbent than this shiny new stuff, eh?

[Swoop]

Just because I post shit doesn't mean I believe it - that is up to the reader to decide (if any) surely!
One of the issues is simply the regurgitation factor. If people don't spread the crap (like the article mentions, with "share this" type approach, or web links) there is less encouragement for these sad pricks to exist.
A gradual dumbing-down of the populace is the result (America excluded: they are already at the bottom of the barrel).
;)

That technology has been around a while now, the Harold is just catching up.

There is a lot of "fake news" and it is getting harder to tell the difference. Murdoch has a lot to answer for with the crap spewed by Fox and the various tabloid papers he owns in the UK. The msm aren't helping ...
This isn't directed at the "msm" but equally at smaller outlets who promote their product to the public. Disinformation is still a bunch of lies regardless of the outlet.

[Banditbandit]

I used to get the Sunday Sport for its investigative journalism....




I call BULLSHIT - you got it for the tits on page three ..

[husaberg]

Just because I post shit doesn't mean I believe it - that is up to the reader to decide (if any) surely!

Some narrow minded people seem to think that if you post criticism of National that you support Labour ffs. -

Sometimes I post shit just to show that there is another opinion/point of view out there other than MSM or the official narrative etc.



Only thing is all the stuff you posted has a antisemtic twist, which is not explainable by you saying you just post information for balance. none of this is in reply to other posts either, its all completely unsolicited
Its rather ironic that you also expect people to believe that its a co-incidenc, given that what you predominately quote being is hilter about jews, qoutes from Mein Kamph about jews , citations from the protocols of Zion and all the anti jewish/Israeli stuff just plus stupid conspiracy theories that are about jews all happens out of shear happenstance.

PS I am still waiting to find out how this below in you mind relates to me.


husaberg story of bravery?

Israeli soldier gives 74-year-old Palestinian woman water:- https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20150120-israeli-soldier-gives-74-year-old-palestinian-woman-water-then-shoots-her-in-the-head/

Exactly how do i fit in to this story oldie
BTW does what you posted really seem real to you?
Does it seem a bit odd it was not reported until 6 months later and that there were no photos or video of her body or head injuries or it would happen leaving witnesses to tell the story?
http://www.hoaxsearch.com/israeli-soldier-giving-water/
http://www.alhaq.org/documentation/weekly-focuses/821-al-haq-field-updates-from-the-gaza-strip
http://www.thomaswictor.com/nobody-actually-believes-this-garbage/
http://www.hoaxsearch.com/israeli-soldier-giving-water/

[oldrider]

Who the fuck do you think you are husaberg - the thought and posting police? - You have a long wait ahead of you enjoy it! :laugh:

[husaberg]

Who the fuck do you think you are husaberg - the thought and posting police? - You have a long wait ahead of you enjoy it! :laugh:
I am the person pointing out your hypocrisy in claiming just because you post masses of antisemetic material on a daily basis that it doesnt mean you are antisemitic.
A long wait, Not really, i feel safe in the knowledge you cant answer the questions due to a distinct lack of guts and a the fact you are antisemitic...

Sure, I am a bigot a racist and a lot of other things

You presumptuous wanker! :tugger:

PS I am still waiting to find out how this below in your mind relates to me.


husaberg story of bravery?

Israeli soldier gives 74-year-old Palestinian woman water:- https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20150120-israeli-soldier-gives-74-year-old-palestinian-woman-water-then-shoots-her-in-the-head/

Exactly how do i fit in to this story oldie
BTW does what you posted really seem real to you?
Does it seem a bit odd it was not reported until 6 months later and that there were no photos or video of her body or head injuries or it would happen leaving witnesses to tell the story?
http://www.hoaxsearch.com/israeli-soldier-giving-water/
http://www.alhaq.org/documentation/weekly-focuses/821-al-haq-field-updates-from-the-gaza-strip
http://www.thomaswictor.com/nobody-actually-believes-this-garbage/
http://www.hoaxsearch.com/israeli-soldier-giving-water/

[Murray]

I am the person pointing out your hypocrisy in claiming just because you post masses of antisemetic material on a daily basis that it doesnt mean you are antisemitic.
PS I am still waiting to find out how this below in your mind relates to me.

He's an old Kraut - don't bother

[Katman]

He's an old Kraut - don't bother

Oh look, the Berk has a new boyfriend.

You two make a lovely couple Murray.

[Banditbandit]

Oh look, the Berk has a new boyfriend.

You two make a lovely couple Murray.

Hey Kat ! Haven't seen you for a while

[Katman]

Hey Kat ! Haven't seen you for a while

That's what tends to happens when whiny little fuckstains constantly go crying to the moderators.

[Grumph]

That's what tends to happens when whiny little fuckstains constantly go crying to the moderators.

What a pleasant chap you must be in person.....

[Laava]

What a pleasant chap you must be in person.....
He absolutely HAS to be president of the local, if not national, glee club, surely. Surely!

[oldrider]

How does our money system work? :scratch:


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[mashman]

How does our money system work? :scratch:

Despite thousands of years of use, it doesn't. Simple to understand but with an exceptionally silly conclusion given that it denies the evidence... and also causes huge amounts of pollution as people come up with crazy things to produce just to get more currency to do something other than merely exist. It's impossible to master something that only follows the ownership of production.

[husaberg]

That's what tends to happens when whiny little fuckstains constantly go crying to the moderators.
Odd because i was sin binned for this post for one month for member abuse where the only thing i did was to point out your general intelligence was rather lacking by referring to you as a dipshit..
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/183438-The-2017-Election-Thread?p=1131113754#post1131113754
prior to this i had no infractions for about two years.
Considering it was you the post was about and you immediately red repped me with abuse after it and minutes later i was sin binned, it seams pretty logical it was you that moaned to the mods about it.

[jasonu]

He absolutely HAS to be president of the local, if not national, gay club, surely. Surely!

Fixed for accuracy.

[jasonu]

Odd because i was sin binned for this post for one month for member abuse where the only thing i did was to point out your general intelligence was rather lacking by referring to you as a dipshit..
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/183438-The-2017-Election-Thread?p=1131113754#post1131113754
prior to this i had no infractions for about two years.
Considering it was you the post was about and you immediately red repped me with abuse after it and minutes later i was sin binned, it seams pretty logical it was you that moaned to the mods about it.

Call him an egg next time.

[Voltaire]

How does our money system work? :scratch:




Interesting watch, must be nice being the 1%.

I see the spotlight is on the AU banks at the moment. 3 Mill bonus.....

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12164010

[oldrider]

Can we actually even imagine 20Trillion dollars? :confused: Government spending - it's like being in the shit - it's only the depth that varies! :eek:


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[Banditbandit]

What a pleasant chap you must be in person.....


He absolutely HAS to be president of the local, if not national, glee club, surely. Surely!

Naaa .. I've had coffee with the Kat .. he's a good bloke.

[oldrider]

In a historic move, Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky) may filibuster against massive aid package to Israel.

AIPAC issues action alert to pressure Paul, predicts Congress will pass the aid package – largest in US history - (What was that again Donald MAGA or MIGA?)

[Editor’s note: This equals approximately $23,000 for every Jewish Israeli family of four.] :rolleyes:

https://israelpalestinenews.org/in-historic-move-sen-rand-paul-places-hold-on-38-billion-to-israel/ Israel must be allowed to defend it's self. :msn-wink: . [Against Gaza?] :o

[pritch]

In a historic move, Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky) may filibuster against massive aid package to Israel.


Not that I disagree with him on this occasion, but Rand Paul needs to be careful or his geriatric neighbour might punch the crap out of him again.

[oldrider]

Over 70 people hospitalized in Syria's Aleppo after militants shell city with poison gas – reports :angry2: https://www.rt.com/news/444804-syria-gas-attack-aleppo/ - Trump outraged? :mad:

[oldrider]

In a historic move, Senator Rand Paul (R-Ky) may filibuster against massive aid package to Israel.

AIPAC issues action alert to pressure Paul, predicts Congress will pass the aid package – largest in US history - (What was that again Donald MAGA or MIGA?)

[Editor’s note: This equals approximately $23,000 for every Jewish Israeli family of four.] :rolleyes:

https://israelpalestinenews.org/in-historic-move-sen-rand-paul-places-hold-on-38-billion-to-israel/ Israel must be allowed to defend it's self. :msn-wink: . [Against Gaza?] :o

Pro-Israel Groups Expose Rand Paul as Blocking U.S. Aid to Israel - https://freebeacon.com/national-security/pro-israel-groups-expose-rand-paul-blocking-u-s-aid-israel/ - :wait: Is he the only Senator that supports Americans? :scratch:

[oldrider]

Well here is a clip that suggests Senator Paul (above) may have a point? :rolleyes:

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[Viking01]

https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/108982332/michael-cohen-donald-trumps-former-lawyer-pleads-guilty-to-lying-to-congress

[oldrider]

Interesting comments by E. Michael Jones on U.S. Support of the War in Yemen

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[oldrider]

Somehow, U.S. media have so far missed both this extraordinary action by an American Senator and the orchestrated pressure against him, but Israeli media are covering it thoroughly.

In other words, Israelis know about the $38 billion legislation, Israeli partisans in the U.S. know about it and are pressuring Congress to pass it, but the large majority of American taxpayers whose money will be given to Israel have no idea that the legislation is even before Congress. - MAGA? or MIGA? :scratch:


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[jasonu]

Somehow, U.S. media have so far missed both this extraordinary action by an American Senator and the orchestrated pressure against him, but Israeli media are covering it thoroughly.

In other words, Israelis know about the $38 billion legislation, Israeli partisans in the U.S. know about it and are pressuring Congress to pass it, but the large majority of American taxpayers whose money will be given to Israel have no idea that the legislation is even before Congress. - MAGA? or MIGA? :scratch:


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Rand Paul is another of the whiny losers. In my books he is just a very small step above the likes of Nancy Pelosy, Chuck Shumer and that cry baby faggot Adam Schiff.

[oldrider]

Rand Paul is another of the whiny losers. In my books he is just a very small step above the likes of Nancy Pelosy, Chuck Shumer and that cry baby faggot Adam Schiff.

That may be true, not disputing that - The point in question is the amount of money that American taxpayers are shelling out to Israel when there is so much needed in USA?

I guess that currently you are one of them so that would be a - yes you are OK with that? - $23,000.00 per person in Israel annually for the next ten years, or something like that?

We (over here) are only observers and it is non of our business but that seems a hell of a high price for what they get in return - if anything? :scratch:

[husaberg]

That may be true, not disputing that - The point in question is the amount of money that American taxpayers are shelling out to Israel when there is so much needed in USA?

I guess that currently you are one of them so that would be a - yes you are OK with that? - $23,000.00 per person in Israel annually for the next ten years, or something like that?

We (over here) are only observers and it is non of our business but that seems a hell of a high price for what they get in return - if anything? :scratch:
Observers really a while back the US offered us a $975 million dollar discount on the F16's they wanted to sell to us.
You also confuse aid with $ nearly all of the money is spend on joint ventures such as missile systems that are collaborations with the US.
You also miss that the US spends 2 billion more per year in Iraq plus 2 billion year more in Afghanistan.
But that pales in comparison to the 4 million+ USD that Russia spends in Syria a day ATM
They have already spent 2.2 billion USD, Considering Russia's GDP is 1/10 of the US how about those poor Russian tax payers, funding this, Taxpayers i might add who dont even get to vote about it?
Lets be clear here the only thing that concerns you in any of your posts is Jews
339738

[oldrider]

Lets be clear here the only thing that concerns you in any of your posts is Jews

True! - They are so interesting and entertaining! - https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1068998312701902849 :rolleyes:

[husaberg]

True! - They are so interesting and entertaining! - https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1068998312701902849 :rolleyes:
So you daily post unsolicited racist twaddle to amuse yourself Have you consider other ethnic groups are also interesting?
But you never explained exactly what was interesting or entertaining about this post.

Israeli soldier gives 74-year-old Palestinian woman water:- https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20150120-israeli-soldier-gives-74-year-old-palestinian-woman-water-then-shoots-her-in-the-head/
Other than it showed you were not exactly bright, considering it was clearly made up racist crap you were peddling
does what you posted really seem real to you?
Does it seem a bit odd it was not reported until 6 months later and that there were no photos or video of her body or head injuries or it would happen leaving witnesses to tell the story?
But i guess you are more interested in pushing a racist narrative than actual events
http://www.hoaxsearch.com/israeli-soldier-giving-water/
http://www.alhaq.org/documentation/weekly-focuses/821-al-haq-field-updates-from-the-gaza-strip
http://www.thomaswictor.com/nobody-actually-believes-this-garbage/
http://www.hoaxsearch.com/israeli-soldier-giving-water/

[jasonu]

I guess that currently you are one of them so that would be a - yes you are OK with that? - $23,000.00 per person in Israel annually for the next ten years, or something like that?
:scratch:

About the same as the tooth fairy giving all that money to the boonga islands.
What was it, $70 million +- to Nuie that has a population of less than 2000???

[husaberg]

About the same as the tooth fairy giving all that money to the boonga islands.
What was it, $70 million +- to Nuie that has a population of less than 2000???
looks like they get about $33,000 each per year.
but I sincerely doubt hes interested unless its a racial slur involving Jews.

[oldrider]

About the same as the tooth fairy giving all that money to the boonga islands.
What was it, $70 million +- to Nuie that has a population of less than 2000???

True - once again nobody cared much about that either - So Rand Paul is simply a political fish swimming against the current - move along nothing happening here? :no:

[oldrider]

George Carlin obviously knew who husaberg was. :yes:

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[husaberg]

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/11/29/politics/michael-cohen-guilty-plea-misleading-congress/index.html


Cohen, who famously once declared he would "take a bullet" for Trump, is cooperating with Mueller and has spoken with the special counsel's office for more than 70 hours on topics beyond Moscow, a source with knowledge of the discussions told CNN.
He pleaded guilty earlier this year to eight counts in a separate case from the Manhattan US attorney's office. Cohen did not have an agreement to cooperate with prosecutors on that case.
Thursday's revelations are potentially significant because they appear to show that Trump was engaged in business dealings with Russia in the midst of a campaign in which Moscow interfered to help elect him.
They could also intersect with other information that Mueller knows to create political and legal jeopardy for the President.


Also

the charges to which he pleaded guilty in August included information about his reimbursement by the Trump Organization for payments he made or helped orchestrate to conceal allegations from two women about sexual encounters with Trump before he ran for office. Trump has denied those claims.

[oldrider]

About the same as the tooth fairy giving all that money to the boonga islands.
What was it, $70 million +- to Nuie that has a population of less than 2000???

Well this is how American author Alison Weir sees it going down. - https://israelpalestinenews.org/media-ignore-largest-foreign-military-aid-package-in-us-history/

Congress is about to legislate the largest military aid package to a foreign country in U.S. history, but U.S. media aren’t telling the American public.
Israelis know about the money, and Israel partisans are pressuring the one lone Senator opposing it, but apparently U.S. news organizations don’t think the general public needs to know…

By Alison Weir. :shutup:

[husaberg]

Well this is how American author Alison Weir sees it going down. - https://israelpalestinenews.org/media-ignore-largest-foreign-military-aid-package-in-us-history/

Congress is about to legislate the largest military aid package to a foreign country in U.S. history, but U.S. media aren’t telling the American public.
Israelis know about the money, and Israel partisans are pressuring the one lone Senator opposing it, but apparently U.S. news organizations don’t think the general public needs to know…

By Alison Weir. :shutup:
Really nothing in the US media about foregn aid to Israel unlike your racist beliefs about Jews maybe the US citzens dont get anti Jewish propaganda shoved down their throats everyday of the week like you post daily on a motorbike thread.
https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-fg-us-israel-20180517-story.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/world/middleeast/israel-benjamin-netanyahu-military-aid.html
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-israel-statement/u-s-israel-sign-38-billion-military-aid-package-idUSKCN11K2CI

ps as i have pointed out its not the largest nor is Israel the biggest recipient of US foreign aid.
they get billions less than Irag or Afganistan

[oldrider]

Tell this guy he is an Anti-Semitic racist he's used to it.

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[Voltaire]

For those of you who are above the chattering masses on Facebook.

Same as it ever was...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nSuregWhlWk

Clearly some people have a lot of spare time.

[oldrider]

Here it comes again - only this time in Afghanistan:- https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/america-is-headed-for-military-defeat-in-afghanistan/ :kick:

[Katman]

Here it comes again - only this time in Afghanistan:- https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/america-is-headed-for-military-defeat-in-afghanistan/ :kick:

They deserve everything they get.

[oldrider]

Look over at Ukraine while we do this in Syria?:- https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/11/29/with-azov-sea-events-stealing-spotlight-us-gathers-huge-military-force-in-around-syria.html - How did they do that? :scratch: - never saw it coming? - :no: - Deception? :yes:

[oldrider]

Green door what's that secret your keeping or something real going on at the George H W Bush funeral? :scratch: http://stateofthenation2012.com/?p=110301 Then again :whocares:

[oldrider]

In Stinging Rebuke To Trump, Senate Votes To End Support For Saudi War:- https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-13/stinging-rebuke-trump-senate-votes-end-support-saudi-war

Conflict history revised?

How Israel Was Busted Nuking Yemen. https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/24/how-israel-was-busted-nuking-yemen/

[husaberg]

In Stinging Rebuke To Trump, Senate Votes To End Support For Saudi War:- https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-13/stinging-rebuke-trump-senate-votes-end-support-saudi-war

Conflict history revised?

How Israel Was Busted Nuking Yemen. https://www.veteranstoday.com/2016/09/24/how-israel-was-busted-nuking-yemen/


Can you produce any credible scientific information to back up the claims that a Nuclear device was air detonated in Yemen
Or produce any information how a Nuclear device could have beeen detonated above the ground without it being detacted all around the world.
Or should we just accept its the same sort of propaganda that you pass on as you lack the intelligence to figure it that its total horseshit,
Just like your previous links that said Israelis had shot a old lady in the head with a rifle when the picture included showed nether and entry or exit wound that anyone with a functioning brain would expect to see.



Lets be clear here the only thing that concerns you in any of your posts is Jews



True! - They are so interesting and entertaining! - https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/1068998312701902849 :rolleyes:
So you daily post unsolicited racist twaddle to amuse yourself Have you consider other ethnic groups are also interesting?
But you never explained exactly what was interesting or entertaining about this post.

Israeli soldier gives 74-year-old Palestinian woman water:- https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20150120-israeli-soldier-gives-74-year-old-palestinian-woman-water-then-shoots-her-in-the-head/
Other than it showed you were not exactly bright, considering it was clearly made up racist crap you were peddling
does what you posted really seem real to you?
Does it seem a bit odd it was not reported until 6 months later and that there were no photos or video of her body or head injuries or it would happen leaving witnesses to tell the story?
But i guess you are more interested in pushing a racist narrative than actual events
http://www.hoaxsearch.com/israeli-soldier-giving-water/
http://www.alhaq.org/documentation/weekly-focuses/821-al-haq-field-updates-from-the-gaza-strip
http://www.thomaswictor.com/nobody-actually-believes-this-garbage/
http://www.hoaxsearch.com/israeli-soldier-giving-water/

[oldrider]

Trump Considering Jared Kushner For Chief Of Staff :- https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-13/trump-considering-jared-kushner-chief-staff :shifty:

[pritch]

Trump Considering Jared Kushner For Chief Of Staff :- https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-12-13/trump-considering-jared-kushner-chief-staff :shifty:

Trump may indeed be considering it, but it is against the law*. Although that doesn't usually bother him over much. Well not until recently... If he was bothered by Mueller, the SDNY will be giving him nightmares now.




* The Republicans thought JFK appointing his brother as Attorney General was beyond the pale and subsequently passed a law to prevent such nepotism in future. Besides which Kuchner doesn't have the required security clearances, nor does his wife. None of which might be enough to stop the idiot** from trying.

** If you are curious as to what an idiot looks like, type "idiot" into Google images. If you voted for him, just look in the mirror.

[oldrider]

Or not? :- https://mondoweiss.net/2018/12/israeli-maintain-citizens/ - America's greatest ally - Trumps closest friends? :corn: Interesting.

[oldrider]

Astounding – Steele Stuns British Judge ‘ I WORKED FOR HILLARY , TO FRAME TRUMP’ ........... :Oops:

BREAKING & STUNNING ADMISSION: Report begins at 21:00 minutes in- MIG Agent Christopher Steele globalist connection intro from 00:00 –20:00

http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/astounding-steele-stuns-british-judge-i-worked-for-hillary-to-frame-trump/ ........ :corn:

[oldrider]

Trump Admits His Mideast Policy Guided by Israeli, not American, Interests :- https://www.mintpressnews.com/trump-admits-his-mideast-policy-guided-by-israel-not-american-interests/253170/ - Tail wagging the dog? - Which is which? :scratch:

[husaberg]

Trump Admits His Mideast Policy Guided by Israeli, not American, Interests :- https://www.mintpressnews.com/trump-admits-his-mideast-policy-guided-by-israel-not-american-interests/253170/ - Tail wagging the dog? - Which is which? :scratch:

In case you missed it the US policy of the middle East is Structured around their Few Allies there Israel, Iraq. etc or Humanitarian aid to war zones such as Syria
Iraq was the biggest reciprent despite your numerous inncorect asertions that it is always Israel.
Its not as you wrongly and repeatidly suggest the tail waging the dog, but the US grooming its allies.
https://www.statista.com/chart/12370/us-foreign-aid-to-selected-countries-in-the-middle-east/
Just as Russia does with its Allies Exactly why do you think Russia is in Syria other than it has its only offshore naval base.

[pritch]

In case you missed it the US policy of the middle East is Structured around their Few Allies there Israel, Iraq. etc or Humanitarian aid to war zones such as Syria


Ummm you may have missed today's news with detail of the latest totally irational change of policy? If you did, don't worry. The Pentagon missed it too.

God help the Kurds!

[husaberg]

Ummm you may have missed today's news with detail of the latest totally irational change of policy? If you did, don't worry. The Pentagon missed it too.

God help the Kurds!
er trump well it will be gone soon or not implemented anyway
Wheres the wall

[oldrider]

Netanyahu Orders Trump To Pull Out Of Syria | Why? :scratch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=68&v=AhtMnI7qkH4 - :wait: and watch this space? :corn:

[pritch]

The US politicians have mostly headed home for Christmas, only very low numbers remain in DC. So Trump has gone to fully unhinged mode. Announcing US withdrawal from Syria to the suprise of everyone - except Netanyahu. He's done another u turn on shutting down the government and is now refusing to sign the agreement that would keep it open, and there aren't enough politicians in town to change anything. He was trying to make cuts to the food stamp programme at Christmas but that boat wouldn't float so now he's trying to toughen work requirements. Merry Christmas indeed. At least he gave Assad, Putin, ISIS and Iran an early Christmas present.

[mashman]

At least he gave Assad, Putin, ISIS and Iran an early Christmas present.

As well as the many thousands of innocent civilians that are killed when murca oorah come to town. They're kind of important too.

[pritch]

As well as the many thousands of innocent civilians that are killed when murca oorah come to town. They're kind of important too.

I don't think there was so much of that in Syria. Assad and ISIS were doing fine on their own.

[Katman]

I don't think there was so much of that in Syria. Assad and ISIS were doing fine on their own.

And we all know you couldn't give a fuck about collateral damage anyway.

[mashman]

I don't think there was so much of that in Syria. Assad and ISIS were doing fine on their own.

Assad would have sorted ISIS in next to no time if the west hadn't have wanted Assad gone using ISIS to create instability in the region. Tis why they armed them with weapons, training and intelligence in the first place n'est pas? Hardly on their own when it comes to the displacement of millions and death of hundreds of thousands of innocent.

[TheDemonLord]

The US sends Troops in: WarMongers! Imperialists! Bloodthirsty! Military Industrial Complex!
The US withdraws Troops: Irrational! Unhinged! Fools! Delusional!

[husaberg]

Assad would have sorted ISIS in next to no time if the west hadn't have wanted Assad gone using ISIS to create instability in the region. Tis why they armed them with weapons, training and intelligence in the first place n'est pas? Hardly on their own when it comes to the displacement of millions and death of hundreds of thousands of innocent.
Assad was getting his ass kicked same as the other dictators were as a result of Arab spring, if neither Ruskies or the US had of intervened he would be getting dragged out of a ditch and beaten to death same as Gadaffi was.

[oldrider]

Gaddafi? :scratch: https://twitter.com/africlandpost/status/1074491806790737920 - Maybe he was hard done to? :rolleyes:

[jasonu]

The US sends Troops in: WarMongers! Imperialists! Bloodthirsty! Military Industrial Complex!
The US withdraws Troops: Irrational! Unhinged! Fools! Delusional!

Well said that man.

[Grumph]

For those of you who saw that there's a gofundme account started to help fund the wall.....There's also an account started to "Buy ladders"....

I'm sure that those of you who may wish to contribute to either side are capable of finding the links for yourselves....

[Voltaire]

Won't less troops in Syria and Afghanistan mean less military spend, less manufacturing and less jobs?

Time to declare war on Lawnmowers?






More Americans are killed by LAWNMOWERS than Jihadi terrorists on average each year, statistics reveal

The bizarre statistic has won International Statistic of the Year
69 American people are killed by lawnmowers annually on average
In comparison, just two Americans are killed by Jihadi terrorists on average

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/offbeat/americans-more-likely-to-be-killed-by-lawnmowers-than-foreign-terrorists-1.3331119

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-5191701/More-Americans-killed-LAWNMOWERS-Jihadi-terrorists.html

( Probably in the Stalinist Papers but picked and Irish one, quote from Daily Mail as more Sensationalist looking))

[Katman]

Well said that man.

I'm curious as to what you think his point actually was.

If you think he's making the suggestion that there's a degree of indecision or 'flip-flopping' in some people views about American interference in other countries affairs, you'd be wrong.

All he's done is describe two extreme opposite viewpoints on a matter of ethics.

[jasonu]

I'm curious as to what you think his point actually was.

If you think he's making the suggestion that there's a degree of indecision or 'flip-flopping' in some people views about American interference in other countries affairs, you'd be wrong.

All he's done is describe two extreme opposite viewpoints on a matter of ethics.

I think his point is no matter what America does people will find a way to say it is wrong.
Damed if you damed if you don’t sort of thing.

[Grumph]

I think his point is no matter what America does people will find a way to say it is wrong.
Damed if you damed if you don’t sort of thing.

Well, it stands to reason that if you go in to a war, you should at least stay long enough to shape the peace.

I see that Trump came to his withdrawal decision after talking to the Turkish premier. And completely contrary to how he was briefed prior to the call.
You'd have to wonder just what was said in the call about safeguarding the Kurds - if anything.

It's becoming apparent that Trump's business - based style doesn't recognise allies. It's Trump/US first and to hell with anyone else.

[Katman]

It's Trump/US first and to hell with anyone else.

Except Israel.