The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[oldrider]

"Trump was chosen by FREEMASONS ILLUMINATI & JEWS ZIONISTS as their third option to deceive people! - Is it working for them? - or is it working for US? :confused: - :whistle:


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[austingtir]

Part 2

CNN staff dont even believe a word of what they put up.... Surprise surprise.


https://twitter.com/JamesOKeefeIII/status/1184140878685888512

[Banditbandit]

^^
Why would he need to go quietly in 2020 if like in 2016 he gets the majority of the vote?

I would think it might be time for the people on the other side to give up the shenanigans at that stage yet here you are talking about civil war?


TDS at its finest right here.


I not sure whats more crazy people that cant decide what bathroom to use thinking they are going to beat Trump supporters in a civil war or your posts on here?


It's Trump's supporters who are talking about civil war if he is not re-elected ... and Trump has retweeted such comments ... Do you seriously think it is a good idea for a president to retweet such comments? It only inflames the situation - he should be speaking against such comments ..

I can recommend a good Reading for Comprehension course in Rotorua for you - I think you need it.

[austingtir]

It's Trump's supporters who are talking about civil war if he is not re-elected ... and Trump has retweeted such comments ... Do you seriously think it is a good idea for a president to retweet such comments? It only inflames the situation - he should be speaking against such comments ..

I can recommend a good Reading for Comprehension course in Rotorua for you - I think you need it.

It seems your the one requiring the comprehension course that was purely a reply to sugilites deranged ramblings. IE he was the one that brought up civil war not me.


You should try to keep up.

[Banditbandit]

It seems your the one requiring the comprehension course that was purely a reply to sugilites deranged ramblings. IE he was the one that brought up civil war not me.


You should try to keep up.

No ..

Of course we are talking about civil war - Trump's supporters brought it up - those of us who disagree with Trump, his supporters and tactics can't help but talk about this - it's a serious situation ..

ANd then there's Trump's own statements -

"President Donald Trump said on Tuesday that there would be chaos across the country if he were impeached.

“I’m not concerned, no,” the president told Reuters reporters about his potential impeachment during an interview in the Oval Office. “I think that the people would revolt if that happened.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/11/trump-impeachment-white-house-1058779



I don't have any problem keeping up with someone who doesn't own a bike .. :Punk::wings::bleh: :rofl:

[TheDemonLord]

It's Trump's supporters who are talking about civil war if he is not re-elected ... and Trump has retweeted such comments ... Do you seriously think it is a good idea for a president to retweet such comments? It only inflames the situation - he should be speaking against such comments ..

I can recommend a good Reading for Comprehension course in Rotorua for you - I think you need it.

I think you are reading the part that you want and missing the deeper issue:

Would it not be fair to say that the Democrats have tried multiple times to unseat Trump using non-democratic means?

Further to that, Each time they have tried, they have been unsuccessful and each consecutive attempt makes them look more and more like sore losers who are actively trying to subvert the US democratic process and gain power for themselves?

When there is talk of Civil War - it's for that reason, And the Democrats are doing everything they can to light the flames - with talks of Firearm Confiscations, openly espousing Socialistic/Communistic policies etc.

Add to that you have a definitive bias against Trump from a large number of prominent Media outlets, When you keep attacking a group, when you call them Deplorables, racists, Homophobes etc. without justification, when you continually omit, lie, misrepresent things in order to generate outrage and further divisiveness and finally when you mount an assault on the 2nd amendment - you should not be surprised people are talking of Civil War.

[TheDemonLord]

"President Donald Trump said on Tuesday that there would be chaos across the country if he were impeached.

“I’m not concerned, no,” the president told Reuters reporters about his potential impeachment during an interview in the Oval Office. “I think that the people would revolt if that happened.”

I think Trump is correct when he says this - and I don't think this counts as calling for a Civil War, it's a statement of fact.

[austingtir]

No ..

Of course we are talking about civil war - Trump's supporters brought it up - those of us who disagree with Trump, his supporters and tactics can't help but talk about this - it's a serious situation ..

ANd then there's Trump's own statements -

"President Donald Trump said on Tuesday that there would be chaos across the country if he were impeached.

“I’m not concerned, no,” the president told Reuters reporters about his potential impeachment during an interview in the Oval Office. “I think that the people would revolt if that happened.”

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/12/11/trump-impeachment-white-house-1058779



I don't have any problem keeping up with someone who doesn't own a bike .. :Punk::wings::bleh: :rofl:


Exactly Trumps got nothing to be concerned about because the dems have got nothing. They are being exposed more and more with everday that passes as complete frauds.


BTW I posted pics on here of my bike. It just doesnt work so theres nothing much to talk about.

+ its more fun in here winding you shills up.

[Banditbandit]

I think you are reading the part that you want and missing the deeper issue:

No - The Deeper Issue is the point.


Would it not be fair to say that the Democrats have tried multiple times to unseat Trump using non-democratic means?

No - the only way they can unseat Trump is by impeachment - and they have not yet tried that - just starting now.


Further to that, Each time they have tried, they have been unsuccessful and each consecutive attempt makes them look more and more like sore losers who are actively trying to subvert the US democratic process and gain power for themselves?

No. The accusation they are sore losers comes from Trump and his close supporters - the average Trump supporter just buys into his bullshit. He's a serial liar - has been shown to be many times .. a President who lies is an issue, no matter what party they come from.


When there is talk of Civil War - it's for that reason, And the Democrats are doing everything they can to light the flames - with talks of Firearm Confiscations, openly espousing Socialistic/Communistic policies etc.

No. The president is acting against the interests of the USA .. many examples.

The negative impact he is having on the economy

The abandonment of allies to be exterminated by Turkey ..

Threats to imprison political opponents for treason is a characteristic of dictatorial regimes. They do not belong in a Western democracy.

His refusal to follow the law and cooperate with the investigation (if he is innocent what has he got to hide?)




Add to that you have a definitive bias against Trump from a large number of prominent Media outlets, When you keep attacking a group, when you call them Deplorables, racists, Homophobes etc. without justification,

I disagree - there is plenty of justification .



when you continually omit, lie, misrepresent things in order to generate outrage and further divisiveness and finally when you mount an assault on the 2nd amendment - you should not be surprised people are talking of Civil War.

Are you meaning Trump here? (except for the last part about guns)


The claimed role of the news media in a democracy is to hold politicians to account ...

Do you know what the 2nd Amendment actually says?

In case - here it is ..


"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

This was written at a time when the US forces, which were largely volunteer militias with a small standing army, had defeated the might of Pomlandia ... The writers recognized the need for such militia - and armed citizens were very useful to fight off external enemies ..

This has been reinterpreted as the right to defend yourself against an oppressive government (oh - right - this was why the Black Power Movement armed themselves ..

And again reinterpreted as the right to shoot fellow citizens you feel threatened by ..

So - I would insist that all citizens who have guns belong to a recognized militia - and undergo regular training - so they are capable of defending the country .. Yeah - that would go down like a lead balloon wouldn't it ..

But the US now has a very large standing army, air force and navy - Militias are no longer needed - and would probably get in the way - and get wiped out very quickly ..

Seriously - do you think this guy would be any use at all to defend the country?

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/05/07/02/286324A300000578-3071223-image-m-4_1430961045124.jpg


Defend yourself against the Government? Shit - that worked well at Ruby Ridge and Waco, Texas, didn't it ..


https://pics.me.me/i-need-my-gun-to-protect-myself-from-the-government-31194055.png

[sugilite]

If there was a Civil war tomorrow - what would be the instigating factor?

For the UK - it would be the failure (and opposition) of the government to deliver Brexit.
For NZ - it would be pissing on the rights of law-abiding Citizens.
For the US - The only thing that springs to mind would be instigation from the likes of ANTIFA.

None of which I don't think can be ascribed to Trump, or the rise in (supposedly) Right-wing populism. If anything, the rise is as a reaction to the Post-Modern assault on everything to do with the West.

FWIW - on a Political Test - I, too, am ever so slightly left-of-centre. The only reason I appear Right-wing these days is because of just how far Left the Left has gone.

I'm not entirely sure why you went down the if there was a civil war tomorrow angle - concluding at the end that none of it could be ascribed to Trump - like huh, odd?
I was meaning if Trump is so thin skinned his ego cannot handle the rejection of an election and he digs in. And if nothing else, he has shown he is extremely egotistical and thinned skin.

You mention the likes of ANTIFA, but would that not swing around to the likes of the far right extremest groups once Trump is gone? Far right leaning loonies are already responsible for a scary amount of mass shootings.


I partially agree with the first part - mainly because it's so very difficult to differentiate those who want Power to be a force for good in the world vs those who want Power to be a force of Tyranny.

On the second part, however, this links into my comment about post-modern philosophy - the current 'Climate Crisis' is just another extension of this - the Educational institutes have long been on the Left, the number of Marxist Academics borders on Shameful - and what we see is Children being taught this defeatist, misanthropic worldview, which gives them a warped perspective.

However (without knowing how old your Children are) Nature tends to do very well when it comes to that Fight.

Imo, there is two different kinds of polly, the one who wants power and when they get it, use it unwisely, or to their own ends. And the other who has good intentions, but when they find out that one little fish swimming against the corrupt current cannot make a difference they either die inside, or go fuck it and join the corrupt mob.

My eldest is 28, he is not interested in bringing up a family with what he sees in the future, and that goes a long way beyond climate change.



Extremely Long Bow? I agree it's a bit of a stretch, however - look at his other public comments - he's long claimed that he was fed-up with America footing the Bill for everything. Low and Behold, he gets Mexico to start looking after it's part to play with Illegal Immigration.

We also have to put this in context - his ultimate goal is stop drastically reduce illegal Immigration to the US, as such, anything that aids that Goal (Wall, Federales etc.) that he has been a causal factor in, is a success.

It is my opinion that Trump does not care anywhere near as much about illegal immigration as much as you give him credit for. It is just a pressure point he can push to rally voters to his side. His golfing businesses certainly have not been shy use the cheap services of illegal immigrants, and that will just be the tip of the ice berg. Nor do I feel that Trump used the "Mexico will pay for the wall" as a threat to spurn Mexico into making the changes he wants them too. Moreover, it made the policy acceptable to the gullible base that were thinking, yaaaay free wall, wahooo!

If you had kids and they were kicking their rugby balls over to my property, and I said "I'm going to build a wall and you are going to pay for it" and for the sake of calming Mr Cranky down, you got your kids to stop that shit. If I (aptly named Mr Crankey) Then came over and said, see I told you that you would pay for the wall (that does not exist) - I wonder how you would interpret that? I'm thinking it would not be "Dang Mt Crankey is right, I did pay for that non existent wall".


I hate to repeat myself, but so-far, his lack of starting any additional wars put's him way ahead of every president that springs to mind since the early 1980s

OK, I agree, he has not started a new war and that is good. Possibly because one does not suit his agenda, if it were too, I have no doubt he would loose any sleep in starting one. Pure speculation at best. I'm just going on his proven inability to empathize, with his paper towel throwing to hurricane disaster survivors and the recently orphaned baby happy face photo opportunities.

[sugilite]

Exactly Trumps got nothing to be concerned about because the dems have got nothing. They are being exposed more and more with everday that passes as complete frauds.


BTW I posted pics on here of my bike. It just doesnt work so theres nothing much to talk about.

+ its more fun in here winding you shills up.
The kiwibiker far right loony conspiricist club - membership base = 1 - austingtir
Ever noticed how the other Trump defending posters don't back you up? There is a reason for that.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm not entirely sure why you went down the if there was a civil war tomorrow angle - concluding at the end that none of it could be ascribed to Trump - like huh, odd?
I was meaning if Trump is so thin skinned his ego cannot handle the rejection of an election and he digs in. And if nothing else, he has shown he is extremely egotistical and thinned skin.

I don't know how Trump would react if he lost the Election, He's lost many a business dealing and to my knowledge has not had an epic breakdown, instead - he worked to rebuild what he lost. That behavior demonstrates, if anything, the opposite character traits that you are ascribing to him.

But as I said, I don't know what his reaction will be.


You mention the likes of ANTIFA, but would that not swing around to the likes of the far right extremest groups once Trump is gone? Far right leaning loonies are already responsible for a scary amount of mass shootings.

Show me an openly Fascist University Professor.
Because I can sure you many many many many openly Marxist/Communist University Professors.

That is the Difference.

Also on the Far-Right mass shootings, Some of the people who are described as being far-right, may not be as they seem. A certain recent NZ event, where the person in question praised Communist China, Espoused various Environmental talking points - not normally the patter of the 'far-right'.


Imo, there is two different kinds of polly, the one who wants power and when they get it, use it unwisely, or to their own ends. And the other who has good intentions, but when they find out that one little fish swimming against the corrupt current cannot make a difference they either die inside, or go fuck it and join the corrupt mob.

Heh, I agree, but there is the rare 3rd kind who still has the strength of character to be the one little fish. Rare, but they do exist.


My eldest is 28, he is not interested in bringing up a family with what he sees in the future, and that goes a long way beyond climate change.

I'm not much older than him, Assuming the typical dating preference, if he has a serious partner, she's probably either the same age or a few years younger - Give it time.

I, too, never had any interest in children whatsoever, I had never held a Baby in my life, right up until I help my Daughter for the first time.


It is my opinion that Trump does not care anywhere near as much about illegal immigration as much as you give him credit for. It is just a pressure point he can push to rally voters to his side. His golfing businesses certainly have not been shy use the cheap services of illegal immigrants, and that will just be the tip of the ice berg. Nor do I feel that Trump used the "Mexico will pay for the wall" as a threat to spurn Mexico into making the changes he wants them too. Moreover, it made the policy acceptable to the gullible base that were thinking, yaaaay free wall, wahooo!

Let's take that as wrote - that he doesn't care for Illegal Immigration, but he is aware that the populace DOES care about it and so makes it a key point - What does that say about him? That he's a Politician willing to listen to the People? His businesses - unless he's the one doing the Hiring/Firing - I don't think you can attribute the day-to-day admin tasks with him and his beliefs.

The evidence on the threats of Tariffs against Mexico if they didn't adopt their responsibility of maintaining border security has confirmed by the Mexicans themselves. And from memory, Trump was clear before the election that one of the ways he would 'Make Mexico pay for it' was through the use of Tariffs.


If you had kids and they were kicking their rugby balls over to my property, and I said "I'm going to build a wall and you are going to pay for it" and for the sake of calming Mr Cranky down, you got your kids to stop that shit. If I (aptly named Mr Crankey) Then came over and said, see I told you that you would pay for the wall (that does not exist) - I wonder how you would interpret that? I'm thinking it would not be "Dang Mt Crankey is right, I did pay for that non existent wall".

What we would both agree on, is that the ultimate goal of stopping the ball getting kicked over was accomplished and that the financial threat was causal to that goal.

I wouldn't say you built a wall, but I would say you fulfilled your promise to stop balls getting kicked into your yard.


OK, I agree, he has not started a new war and that is good. Possibly because one does not suit his agenda, if it were too, I have no doubt he would loose any sleep in starting one. Pure speculation at best. I'm just going on his proven inability to empathize, with his paper towel throwing to hurricane disaster survivors and the recently orphaned baby happy face photo opportunities.

I'm not so sure he would if it suited his agenda, or perhaps more specifically - I don't think any of his Agendas would be aided by a War. The only thing I have to go on is his mercy when it came to retaliating for the Drone being shot down - accepting the loss of equipment as not justification for the loss of life, combined with a desire to see the US no longer be 'world police' (with the associated financial cost) suggests to me that he'd prefer to do Business than Combat.

[TheDemonLord]

No - the only way they can unseat Trump is by impeachment - and they have not yet tried that - just starting now.

So the Russia Hoax, the Mueller investigation etc. didn't happen?


No. The accusation they are sore losers comes from Trump and his close supporters - the average Trump supporter just buys into his bullshit. He's a serial liar - has been shown to be many times .. a President who lies is an issue, no matter what party they come from.

Okay - compare the behavior of National vs Labour in NZ to what the DNC has done. They are acting in a very similar fashion to the Remain camp in the UK - they cannot accept the result and so are trying every avenue of recourse (justified or not) to get their own way.

That's the objective definition of a Sore Loser.

As for his Lies, let's take your word for the moment that he does - there's a brilliant Jordan Peterson quote on this:

"Americans concluded they liked “the unscripted, impulsive lies of Trump better than the conniving, scripted lies of Clinton.” "

To that end, if I accept your premise, At worst Trump is akin to the guy at the Bar that says he makes more than he actually does or the salesman who overstates his product. Something which is both easily seen through and dismissed as mere bluster.

At best however, Trump is like the Coach who tells the Team what they need to hear to become greater than they currently are.


No. The president is acting against the interests of the USA .. many examples.

I don't think so, let's look at the examples.


The negative impact he is having on the economy

Which is a redress of issues that have been caused by every president since the 1980s by failing to reign in China - a short-term disruption for a long-term gain is not acting against the interests of the US, if anything - it could be argued that the failings of his predecessors to tackle this represents an act on their part against the interests of the US.


The abandonment of allies to be exterminated by Turkey ..

I suspect this will become a tangent in-of-itself, but what are the US foreign Interests? One of Trumps talking points is that they have been paying a price to be the world Police, a Price that is borne solely by American Tax payers. By changing their Foreign Policy, it could be argued that it is in fact within the US interest. This one however is a veritable Minefield.


Threats to imprison political opponents for treason is a characteristic of dictatorial regimes. They do not belong in a Western democracy.

That depends whether or not the Political opponents have acted in a Treasonous manner. Certainly, the DNC have acted in opposition to Trump specifically in ways that are far outside the normal bounds of what acceptable behavior for the Opposition party is.


His refusal to follow the law and cooperate with the investigation (if he is innocent what has he got to hide?)

Has he been arrested for not following the Law? I missed that? As for the Nothing to Hide argument - Suffice to say, I don't buy that in any way.


I disagree - there is plenty of justification.

The only justification is the presumption of a distribution of opinions that will exist within a voter base. In short - there will be racists, sexists, homophobes etc. that Vote for the GoP, there will also be Racists, sexists, Homophobes etc. that Vote for the DNC. Singling out around 50% of your population as someform of Moral Degenerates - Since you are the Philosopher - tell me, what is the Justification for that?


Are you meaning Trump here? (except for the last part about guns)

I'm referring to the Media - Cases in point - Omitting when he was referring to MS13 gang members, The Border picture - that was taken under the Obama administration - I could go on.


The claimed role of the news media in a democracy is to hold politicians to account ...

Hold to account or continually attack because they don't like?

Those 2 things are not the same.


Do you know what the 2nd Amendment actually says?

In case - here it is ..

Yes.


This was written at a time when the US forces, which were largely volunteer militias with a small standing army, had defeated the might of Pomlandia ... The writers recognized the need for such militia - and armed citizens were very useful to fight off external enemies ..

This has been reinterpreted as the right to defend yourself against an oppressive government (oh - right - this was why the Black Power Movement armed themselves ..

And again reinterpreted as the right to shoot fellow citizens you feel threatened by ..

So - I would insist that all citizens who have guns belong to a recognized militia - and undergo regular training - so they are capable of defending the country .. Yeah - that would go down like a lead balloon wouldn't it ..

But the US now has a very large standing army, air force and navy - Militias are no longer needed - and would probably get in the way - and get wiped out very quickly ..

Seriously - do you think this guy would be any use at all to defend the country?

Defend yourself against the Government? Shit - that worked well at Ruby Ridge and Waco, Texas, didn't it ..


Now, I'm going to preface this by saying I don't agree with the Arguments I'm about to make - I, too, share certain opinions about the level of Firepower available to the US Military vs the Private Citizen, the interpretation of the 2A and other surrounding concepts.

But.

I'm going to argue from the perspective I've seen espoused many times by Americans and particularly those who hold the 2A in high regard. Namely because this is the group in question that would be key if there was a Civil war, so I'm making the argument from their perspective.

First up - the definition of Militia (again I agree with your assessment personally) - this however has been defined via numerous Supreme Court judgements in the US - so regardless of what you and I think, the definition in the US, by the US, for the US is that it applies to everyone.

Next up is that whilst the 2A represents a single Sentence, the surrounding documentation (Federalist Papers, various letters by the founding fathers etc.) make it absolutely clear that Self-Defence and the Defence against a Tyrannical Government are the reasons why the 2A exists.

Finally, my understanding is the US Army is forbidden from acting against US Citizens on US Soil, although I think the National Guard have no such inhibition, there's also a comment that where the Armed forces be called by a President to act in contrary to the Constitution, whether or not they would comply - There's some justification that they wouldn't.

To sum up - There's a lot to not like about Trump, but compared to other World Leaders or even other US Presidents, he has received a disproportionate amount of hatred, vitriol and negative coverage. There are many Conservative commentators (Ben Shapiro springs to mind) who refer to themselves as 'Sometimes Trump' - namely they are happy to criticise him when he does something bad, but conversely praise him when he does something good.

As an example of this - remember when TPPA was a thing and the various professional Activists were up to their usual tricks protesting it?

How many of them, do you think, was pleased for Trump when he struck it down? How many of them praised his decision? I didn't hear of a single one, did you?

When Trump opted not to retaliate for the Drone shoot-down, how many of left-wing Media (that branded prior presidents as WarMongers and BabyKillers) came out in support of Trump? I can't remember a whole lot.

[Banditbandit]

Thuis is a quick editied response .. not to everything ..


So the Russia Hoax, the Mueller investigation etc. didn't happen?

Meuller was just about begging them to impeach - the dems did not .. Pelosi is an idiot too ..








Which is a redress of issues that have been caused by every president since the 1980s by failing to reign in China - a short-term disruption for a long-term gain is not acting against the interests of the US, if anything - it could be argued that the failings of his predecessors to tackle this represents an act on their part against the interests of the US.

I'm not sure China needfs to be reined in .. tell me why ..

The trade deficit is because Americans buy more from China than they sell to China .. That's an issue of the consumers wanting cheap goods ..





That depends whether or not the Political opponents have acted in a Treasonous manner. Certainly, the DNC have acted in opposition to Trump specifically in ways that are far outside the normal bounds of what acceptable behavior for the Opposition party is.

Is that treasonaous/ DOes Pelosi really 'hate america"?




Has he been arrested for not following the Law? I missed that? As for the Nothing to Hide argument - Suffice to say, I don't buy that in any way.

The Justice department and other agencies cannot act against a sitting president - only Congress (House and Senate ) can do that .




The only justification is the presumption of a distribution of opinions that will exist within a voter base. In short - there will be racists, sexists, homophobes etc. that Vote for the GoP, there will also be Racists, sexists, Homophobes etc. that Vote for the DNC. Singling out around 50% of your population as someform of Moral Degenerates - Since you are the Philosopher - tell me, what is the Justification for that?




As the leader of a multi-cultural, liberal democracy I'd expect the leader NOT to buy into this bullshit - let alone let it flourish ..

Of course all socieities have homophobs, racists, etc etc - do we truly want the "leader of the Free World" to buy into the bullshit and let it flourish ..

[TheDemonLord]

Thuis is a quick editied response .. not to everything ..

Hairy Muff, I await a fuller response.


Meuller was just about begging them to impeach - the dems did not .. Pelosi is an idiot too ..

Yes, I have my opinions about Meuller and his investigation, Although I'm surprised - we do agree on Pelosi.


I'm not sure China needfs to be reined in .. tell me why ..

The first thing that springs to mind is:

Chinese Companies can only have Copyright claims brought against them in Chinese courts, which will never rule against a Chinese company.
Followed a close second behind China's Workers rights (or lack thereof)


The trade deficit is because Americans buy more from China than they sell to China .. That's an issue of the consumers wanting cheap goods ..

I've got no problem with that per se, more the way that this is achieved.


Is that treasonaous/ DOes Pelosi really 'hate america"?

Pelosi, probably not.
However, other prominent Democrats (the Squad springs to mind) - espouse a viewpoint that is antithetical to the US founding principles.


As the leader of a multi-cultural, liberal democracy I'd expect the leader NOT to buy into this bullshit - let alone let it flourish ..

Of course all socieities have homophobs, racists, etc etc - do we truly want the "leader of the Free World" to buy into the bullshit and let it flourish ..

Well, look at his Victory speech - that was certainly calling for Unity.

I don't however accept he buys into it. Nor do I accept that he lets it flourish.

[austingtir]

LOL they had to tell the crowd to clap!!:lol:

https://democrats.org/debate-live-stream/


And not an american flag was seen!


When the democrats have a debate and all they talk about is Trump....


Good luck with this communist horse you chaps have backed I know where im putting my money.:motu:


2020 is going to be glorious:
https://media0.giphy.com/media/7A4zkWeMXlZqgnTKtJ/giphy.gif

[sugilite]

^^ I just had a look at the link, they are talking about policies right now. Something you will not see at a Trump rally :rolleyes:

[pritch]

This letter is reportedly genuine. It isn't of a standard that would be acceptable in most high schools, but of course that last sentence means 'disregard this letter'. He doesn't want anything to happen to the Trump Towers in Istanbul so he won't do anything much to hurt Turkey.

[pritch]

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/president-least-half-mad-time-210100388.html?.tsrc=fauxdal

[austingtir]

https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/president-least-half-mad-time-210100388.html?.tsrc=fauxdal


All you are doing by posting this garbage is proving you are totally off your rocker.

Its called TDS. You should really seek professional guidance.

Im worried you might off yourself after 2020.

[austingtir]

Trump really is a stable Genius... Here he is dressing down the mil industrial complex and the pentagon among others.

Most anti war president possibly ever?

Strong presser this one!

If there arent some people at raytheon and all over the pentagon getting their assassination plans sorted I'll be amazed!!

from about 20min in:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Eu-gbPAdsI&app=desktop

[jasonu]

This letter is reportedly genuine. It isn't of a standard that would be acceptable in most high schools, .

Was it penned by husaberk?

[austingtir]

Was it penned by husaberk?

He'd be the only one with a microscope that enlarges things large enough to be legible.

[austingtir]

Looks like Nancies been drinking again... Maybe she's thinking about giving up?

https://i.redd.it/s9l7sfhqkzs31.jpg

https://i.redd.it/ull05lus2zs31.jpg

[oldrider]

It's immaterial who "we" (the voters) want to represent us - it is totally dependent upon who "they" want to represent their interests and outcomes. :brick:

Election outcomes are always heads they win tails we lose - results planned bought and paid for well in advance. - :yawn:

[jasonu]

Looks like Nancies been drinking again... Maybe she's thinking about giving up?

https://i.redd.it/s9l7sfhqkzs31.jpg

https://i.redd.it/ull05lus2zs31.jpg

That's a pair of sad cunts that just won't let go.

[Banditbandit]

espouse a viewpoint that is antithetical to the US founding principles.




I'm sure he is not only world leader to do that - does Boris the spider espouse views that support the UK founding principles .. ???

[Banditbandit]

That's a pair of sad cunts that just won't let go.

Given Trump's dealing with Putin and Communist Russia - that's the pot calling ..

Or how about Simple Simon paying his Communist Chinese backers by praising Communist China ..

[austingtir]

Given Trump's dealing with Putin and Communist Russia - that's the pot calling ..

Or how about Simple Simon paying his Communist Chinese backers by praising Communist China ..


You still havent figured it out yet have you?

The democrat moto is accuse others of the foul play you are upto.


If you think its Trump thats colluding with communists you've got bricks in your head.

[sugilite]

All you are doing by posting this garbage is proving you are totally off your rocker.


You are right, The tired old lady photos you posted later were much more impressive. :facepalm:

[austingtir]

You are right, The tired old lady photos you posted later were much more impressive. :facepalm:

You mean Drunk old lady? Have you not seen her tax payer funded alcohol bills?

Theres a reason she sounds like Elmer Fudd at every presser she does. And its not from all that communist dick she sucks.

[sugilite]

You mean Drunk old lady? Have you not seen her tax payer funded alcohol bills?

Theres a reason she sounds like Elmer Fudd at every presser she does. And its not from all that communist dick she sucks.

Not sure criticizing how she sounds is productive, when your guy rambles incoherently quite often - it could be argued that is worse as alcohol is not involved.

How do you know that the alcohol bill is legit? Because some right wing site says it is?
And were you to see a bill showing the cost to the tax payer of trumps many golf games being released by the left news sites, would likely have you running up the fake news flag. (BTW Plenty of clips showing Trump saying Obama played way to much golf, and if he were president he would not play golf at all).
The only true fact is there is no possible way you could possibly know if either bill was legit.
Wakey wakey - it is pretty much all shit no matter what side it comes from.

You have the right to believe all the right wing rhetoric if you choose, but don't kid yourself that we here at kiwibiker are impressed with your tired old lady photos and such.

[austingtir]

You have the right to believe all the right wing rhetoric if you choose, but don't kid yourself that we here at kiwibiker are impressed with your tired old lady photos and such.


Right wing rhetoric aye?

How about the facts:

Their entire impeachment garbage is based on nothing but lies. How much longer will shifty shiff last??

https://www.dcclothesline.com/2019/10/17/schiff-made-it-all-up-there-are-no-whistleblowers/

So yesterday nancy bottled it and wouldnt proceed for the moment with impeachment... maybe she knows something you dont? That everything they say and do is based on lies. So they pretend for their base they are going to impeach then they pull out knowing they would all goto jail if they used the "evidence" they have on hand atm.

Good luck bro your going to need it!

Just a reminder again you are relying on this idiot to impeach Trump:

https://www.dcclothesline.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Adam-Schiff-2-678x381.jpg

When are you going to wake up and realize its never going to happen with these clowns running the show?

[austingtir]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="und" dir="ltr"><a href="https://t.co/09bac03RX6">pic.twitter.com/09bac03RX6</a></p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1183720665691709445?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">October 14, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

[austingtir]

Those dems are dropping like flies:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/rep-elijah-e-cummings-dead-at-68

Anybody else find it interesting how he drops dead after this comes out?

Its almost like Trump has God on his side.... (or military tribunals).

https://twitter.com/StormIsUponUs/status/1156615332762542080


So much winning I almost cant keep up.

[austingtir]

Orange beads and bullet bracelet???


https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4822819/pelosi-bullet-orange-bracelet

"I pray for the president all the time, and I tell him that -- I pray for his safety and that of his family. Now, we have to pray for his health -- because this was a very serious meltdown on the part of the president," Pelosi said later.

As the Democrats walked out, Trump reportedly remarked, "I'll see you at the polls."


Trumps at a Dallas rally today...

https://aim4truthblog.files.wordpress.com/2019/10/nancy-bullet-bracelet.jpg?w=302&zoom=2

If Nancy was wearing blue I would probably be worried. But she's to drunk to even get the outfit right.

[sugilite]

^^ Now he thinks we are interested in womans fashion lol :mellow:


Right wing rhetoric blah, blah, blah, blah

Just a reminder again you are relying on this idiot to impeach Trump:


Where on earth have I stated I want Trump impeached - and are relying on Schiff to do it? No need IMO as he is going to get voted out in spectacular fashion. The mid terms where the republicans lost the house is nothing compared to what is coming their way.
Even though you have a black belt in projection and putting words in other peoples mouths. I will try and spell it out in as few words as possible.
As a reality actor, I liked Trump, saw a handful of episodes of the apprentice and enjoyed them. He makes for good mindless television.
As a property guy, he sure has lost a lot of money, but until his tax records come out, who really knows. (I do wonder why he is sooooo desperate to hide them)
As a President, he is woefully unqualified.
If Trump was a democrat, I would still have exactly the same opinion of him as I do now.
Fun fact Trump used to be a Democrat.
For the record - I am not a republican nor a democrat. As stated many times - I feel nearly all politicians are lying sacks of shit out to further their own agendas.
Keep believing all the "facts" you like. You are a corrupt politicians wet dream. Keep working for them for free.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm sure he is not only world leader to do that - does Boris the spider espouse views that support the UK founding principles .. ???

Boris is about as British as a Bulldog, wearing a Union Jack, with Winston Churchills face, drinking a fresh cup of Tea.

Trump as well, for all his faults, appears to genuinely love the US.

The likes of AOC, Omar etc. seem to hate everything about the US, which is why they want to change it into it's polar opposite.

[sugilite]

The likes of AOC, Omar etc. seem to hate everything about the US, which is why they want to change it into it's polar opposite.

The above statement could only charitably at best be called gross generalization.

The references I've seen in the past to the so called "Squad" going on about them hating the USA... When I have gone to look at what they said, and more importantly the context they said it - did not even begin to equate to hate. They just looked to be wanting to improve things (in their mind).
So it seemed to me if a white polli wanted to improve things to their mind, it got debated and put through the processes. If a polli of color, (and especially a woman one) wants to do the same, they are accused of hating the USA as it is now. And after reading what they actually said, it became clear to me at least the hate thing was a load of crap. All the noise from the right leaning pollis seemed to me to be aimed at creating fear and anger in the right wings base.

[pritch]

No need IMO as he is going to get voted out in spectacular fashion.

I hope you're right but fear you may not be. With all the vote suppression, gerrymandering, and sundry voting machine skulduggery, nothing is guaranteed.

Mike Hosking used to babble on about how we should have a more advanced electronic voting system. Haven't heard that in a while, perhaps he woke up.

[TheDemonLord]

The above statement could only charitably at best be called gross generalization.

The references I've seen in the past to the so called "Squad" going on about them hating the USA... When I have gone to look at what they said, and more importantly the context they said it - did not even begin to equate to hate. They just looked to be wanting to improve things (in their mind).
So it seemed to me if a white polli wanted to improve things to their mind, it got debated and put through the processes. If a polli of color, (and especially a woman one) wants to do the same, they are accused of hating the USA as it is now. And after reading what they actually said, it became clear to me at least the hate thing was a load of crap. All the noise from the right leaning pollis seemed to me to be aimed at creating fear and anger in the right wings base.

Bernie Sanders wants to Improve things in his Mind, and he gets the same, if not more crap for it.

But back to the Squad and Co - Ask yourself what they want to change, then ask the stated reasons for wanting to change it. They are Socialists (Cold War anyone, The US vs Socialism/Communism), their statements towards taxation is in complete contrast to the so-called 'American Dream'. They are in opposition to everything that the US has historically upheld, which is why they want to change just about everything to do the US.

[Banditbandit]

The democrat moto is accuse others of the foul play you are upto.





The same could be said for Trump ...

[sugilite]

Bernie Sanders wants to Improve things in his Mind, and he gets the same, if not more crap for it.

But back to the Squad and Co - Ask yourself what they want to change, then ask the stated reasons for wanting to change it. They are Socialists (Cold War anyone, The US vs Socialism/Communism), their statements towards taxation is in complete contrast to the so-called 'American Dream'. They are in opposition to everything that the US has historically upheld, which is why they want to change just about everything to do the US.

Has Bernie been accused of hating the USA? Not that I have seen.
The tax thing has also been put forward by the likes of Elizabeth Warren, and I have not seen her being accused of hating her country. Furthermore the tax rates for the rich are proposing are in fact very similar to the ones actually in place in the 50's. Was the USA ever accused of being socialist in those days due to those high tax rates?
You say "they" are in opposition of "everything" that the USA has historically held, despite that sounding very exhausting, I have not seen any evidence of that. I by no means think all aspects of what they say (particularly aspects of the new green deal) are good ideas, but I do support their right to put it forward without being bullied and incorrectly accused of hating their country. Unless you have some verbatim quotes that contradict what I'm saying, (that are not taken out of context snippets) we could discuss?

[Banditbandit]

An avalanche of confessions: Trump’s chief of staff just admitted a stunning amount of wrongdoing on live TV

https://www.alternet.org/2019/10/an-avalanche-of-confessions-trumps-chief-of-staff-just-admitted-a-stunning-amount-of-wrongdoing-on-live-tv/?fbclid=IwAR3uiR2ZlBeLHPIe9Q_iMPtW9abIKcHS7xi8Nezf FUk7uq8J84T1HGtOoQA#.XajRFjJoFLE.facebook

[Banditbandit]

Newly uncovered tax documents show Trump kept '2 sets of books' and may have committed financial fraud

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/propublica-trump-tax-records-financial-fraud-2019-10?utm_content=buffer6af39&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook.com&utm_campaign=buffer-bi&fbclid=IwAR0X_8K6At-CNXSfQtElCbPfyQMHDhw4LW_WRGjKHqOButEisavNCd6wMJo&r=US&IR=T

[pritch]

The US is the only developed country that does not have a form of universal healthcare. Over half a million people are bankrupted every year by illness. The insurance policies are very expensive and full of holes.

US infrastructure is crumbling. Trump mentions it and so does Elaine Chow. Elaine Chow is Secretary of Transportation, and Mrs Moscow Mitch McConnell. Everytime she mentioned infrastructure her shares in the biggest US roading company went up. No corruption there then.

Meanwhile the Government is broke due to Trump's tax cuts for the 1%.

AOC wants a 70% marginal tax rate. Naturally the Republicans find this outrageous. Back in the days when America was building things and the country was going great the marginal tax rates were as high as 90%. Reagan started the trickle down rot and ever since then the country has been going backward.

The devil is, as they say, in the detail. AOC wants the 70% to kick in after the taxpayer has made ten million dollars in any year. that won't affect most voters, although the Republicans try and sell the idea that everybody will be taxed at 70% and the MAGAts are thick enough to believe it.

Whoever the next president is they'll be faced with a Hell of a clean up job and a huge debt.

[austingtir]

Crazy nancy... she is craaazzziee!!! LMAO


https://youtu.be/MWtXrCBKvAg?t=290

[sugilite]

I have to admit, he is very very good at spinning bullshit to the gullible, and I mean that with sincerity, he really is very good at it.
But in all that hour and 30 minutes he did not even talk about policies. The closest he got was saying that the dems would wipe out medicare (false) and he would protect it. But did not once say how or what he would replace obama care with. So Austin, if Jacinda or Bridge said they were going to replace ACC, but would tell you after the election how that was going to happen and with what - you would be cool with that right?

The whole speech was just attack the dems and taking credit for things it is debatable he ever had a hand in and all the "this guy came up to me and said "sir blah, blah blah" stories. Just one example - the general that came up to him saying they had no bullets - yeah right :laugh:

[austingtir]

I have to admit, he is very very good at spinning bullshit to the gullible, and I mean that with sincerity, he really is very good at it.
But in all that hour and 30 minutes he did not even talk about policies. The closest he got was saying that the dems would wipe out medicare (false) and he would protect it. But did not once say how or what he would replace obama care with. So Austin, if Jacinda or Bridge said they were going to replace ACC, but would tell you after the election how that was going to happen and with what - you would be cool with that right?

The whole speech was just attack the dems and taking credit for things it is debatable he ever had a hand in and all the "this guy came up to me and said "sir blah, blah blah" stories. Just one example - the general that came up to him saying they had no bullets - yeah right :laugh:

Its funny because he doesnt need to talk about policy he just needs to bring up all the dems fraud shillaries emails and he's a lock for 2020.

I make enough money not to give a toss about ACC. And personally dont even think its that great a system.
Subsidized healthcare leads to an inefficient health care system. I reckon we've got a shit load more doctors just going through the motions day after day rather than doctors that really know their shit with the current ACC system. I went to get prescription the other day. $80 later + the medicine for 10 minutes and it shouldnt of even taken that long for what I was after. Im not impressed by ACC or our health system one bit. If I had got to keep the money I have paid over my liftime I reckon I personally would be way better off.
After saying all that im still happy to pay my ACC because I do see the benefit it brings others less fortunate than myself but to act like its the be all and end all... Its just not.

And if the dems stopped doing stupid communist shit he wouldnt have anything to attack them with.

You and the dems are like the gift that keeps on giving to Trump so keep it up.

[sugilite]

Holy shit Austin, that is a really good answer on the ACC subject, I agree with a lot of that.
Trump is still a dickhead president, and I'm still not sure why you are lumping me in with the Dems, can you not sleep at night if you don't pigeon hole people into left or right?
For what it is worth, I feel the dems are a seriously unorganised bunch of idiots. How many candidates are they putting up? Cannot take them seriously when they cannot even realise how inept that point alone makes them look.

[jasonu]

For what it is worth, I feel the dems are a seriously unorganised bunch of idiots. How many candidates are they putting up? Cannot take them seriously when they cannot even realise how inept that point alone makes them look.

That's why they won't win in 2020.

[sugilite]

That's why they won't win in 2020.
While I can understand your thoughts here, my feelings are Trump idiocy outweighs them all. People are so tired of his self inflicted drama from where I was staying for my 1.5 years there. Time will tell I guess.

[husaberg]

https://pics.awwmemes.com/never-underestimate-the-power-of-stupid-people-in-large-groups-40753846.png

[Laava]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/3ad4b7703a63824f967f5d64ffce41a8/tenor.gif?itemid=15003294

[Viking01]

https://www.smh.com.au/world/north-america/the-most-ruthlessly-honest-president-of-modern-times-a-thousand-days-of-trump-20191017-p531r7.html

[sugilite]

Hilarious and sad at the same time....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_sG7N7pJ6g

[pritch]

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-pelosi-psychologists-syria-erdogan-bizarre-behavior-republicans-a9162396.html

[austingtir]

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-pelosi-psychologists-syria-erdogan-bizarre-behavior-republicans-a9162396.html

A pure propaganda piece directly from the establishment.

[austingtir]

I kinda like Tulsi in a few ways.

https://twitter.com/TulsiGabbard/status/1185289626409406464


Its a matter of when not if Clinton announces she's running again.


If you lot thought it was a shit show last time this is going to take the cake. The woman needs a bullet.


Tulsi should flip to Republican (and drop a few of her silly ideas) but she wont and thats why we cant take her seriously.


https://youtu.be/aFGNd4Z-xjc

And clintons response:

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/200/374/c26.jpg

Someone put this bitch out of her misery FFS!!

[husaberg]

From PRitchs link


Trump.. like the order he gave to a small group of US soldiers 12 days ago, requiring them to abandon the Syrian Kurdish allies with whom they'd shed blood on the way to defeating Isis. Those soldiers, loyal American servicemen, will follow those orders, even though doing so made them — in the words of one soldier — “ashamed for the first time in my career.”

Such was the degree of anger at Trump's sudden abandonment of America's Kurdish allies — seemingly for no other reason than to please Turkey's leader —
that on Wednesday, all but 60 House Republicans joined Speaker Nancy Pelosi's caucus to approve a resolution condemning the move, 354-60. In the Senate, a bipartisan group of senators is readying legislation to impose crippling sanctions on the Turkish regime, with a veto-proof majority expected to join their House colleagues in expressing their disapproval of the Trump administration's enabling of Erdogan's ethnic cleansing.

[austingtir]

From PRitchs link



Such was the degree of anger at Trump's sudden abandonment of America's Kurdish allies — seemingly for no other reason than to please Turkey's leader —


So 354 out of ? senators are warmongering pieces of shit.


Thanks for clearing up what we all already knew.

[husaberg]

The house of representatives that voted is not the senate. Nor does it have senators.
It has 435 members who are "The United States Congress" ie congressman
234 are Dems
197 are republicans
3 are vacant seats
1 is an idependant.

354 condemned trumps move. 60 voted against it 21 never voted or abstained.


In a rare bipartisan vote, Democratic and Republican lawmakers in the House of Representatives joined together to voice their dissatisfaction with President Donald Trump’s decision to withdraw U.S. troops from Syria, effectively abandoning Kurdish fighters whom we had allied with during the fight against ISIS.
The resolution passed on Wednesday by a vote of 354 votes in favor of the resolution to 60 votes against it. The text of the measure stated that Trump’s decision to leave Syria abruptly and without warning to Kurdish forces was also “beneficial to adversaries of the United States government,”

Edit 4pm oh look below for some more funny ass crap, looks like he finally realised just how stupid the post he made looked.
Knowing what a pitifull low rent troll you are i took the liberty to screenshot your reply as i knew you would pull a dick move ,like you did.
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[austingtir]

^^ Reading comprehension never was his strong point was it?

What you went back and edited changes nothing about the crux of what I said which is they are all warmongering POS and should be put down like John McCain.

[Viking01]

https://dissidentvoice.org/2019/10/us-democrats-cultivated-the-barbarism-of-isis/

[pritch]

^^ Reading comprehension never was his strong point was it?

What you went back and edited changes nothing about the crux of what I said which is they are all warmongering POS and should be put down like John McCain.

Classy. :whistle:

Given your history the ignorance displayed should not be surprising, but still you manage. In case you don't know, and I'm sure you don't, there are also 100 senators, two from each state. The senators used to be appointed by their state governor, these days they are elected. Anyone who thinks about that for more than a nanosecond will realise that the US Senate is about as democratic as the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea.

[pzkpfw]

The troops taken from Syria by the Americans were small in number.
That's let in the Turks who've now killed plenty - including civilians (and, it must be said, invited retaliation - the Kurds have also shelled Turkish towns leading to deaths there).
The troops removed were not sent home to the U.S., most have gone to Iraq.
Meanwhile, more troops have been sent to Saudi Arabia.

But yeah, the 354 are warmongers and the others are just peace lovers or something.

Sure.

[austingtir]

The troops taken from Syria by the Americans were small in number.
That's let in the Turks who've now killed plenty - including civilians (and, it must be said, invited retaliation - the Kurds have also shelled Turkish towns leading to deaths there).
The troops removed were not sent home to the U.S., most have gone to Iraq.
Meanwhile, more troops have been sent to Saudi Arabia.

But yeah, the 354 are warmongers and the others are just peace lovers or something.

Sure.

So what? The Kurds (mainly PKK) arent much better than ISIS.

As far as im concerned the Turks under Erodogan are scumbags aswell.

Let them fight. If they want to.

Why is it the USA's problem other than the fact Obama, Hillary and McCain kicked this entire episode off!!

They were fighting a 1000 years ago and they'll probably still be fighting another 1000 years from now.

[austingtir]

As if we needed anymore evidence democrats are degenerate nutters:

Apparently she was part of a throuple (whatever that means) and one of the 3? is a jilted lover who posted the photo up....

https://twitter.com/badluck_jones/status/1185337955755401216?s=12


The photo begs more than a few questions but I dont even really want to think about it TBH.

[pete376403]

So what? The Kurds (mainly PKK) arent much better than ISIS.

As far as im concerned the Turks under Erodogan are scumbags aswell.

Let them fight. If they want to.

Why is it the USA's problem other than the fact Obama, Hillary and McCain kicked this entire episode off!!

They were fighting a 1000 years ago and they'll probably still be fighting another 1000 years from now.

If the Turks take control of the Incirlik air base AND if the US hasn't removed the nukes stored therein, Turkey moves to being an unstable superpower alongside Pakistan and North Korea, which changes the game considerably.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDRSXmd9LAQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3FmYO5mazgiUS-f4NfAeNDEQuJfEfEJRKuYmKBAvRo5a6lLiaV1DDqfcg

[austingtir]

If the Turks take control of the Incirlik air base AND if the US hasn't removed the nukes stored therein, Turkey moves to being an unstable superpower alongside Pakistan and North Korea, which changes the game considerably.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDRSXmd9LAQ&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR3FmYO5mazgiUS-f4NfAeNDEQuJfEfEJRKuYmKBAvRo5a6lLiaV1DDqfcg


Jesus at the comments under that video. Between them and the retard making the vid... Rampant, RAMPANT TDS on display.

Absolute nonsense is all I just watched.

Brainwashed sheep.

[pritch]

As if we needed anymore evidence democrats are degenerate nutters:



The only thing suprising about that photo is that they're Democrats. The kinky stuff is usually the "family values" Republicans - like this:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/lawmaker-wes-goodman-anti-lgbt-resigns-sex-man-office-caught-ohio-republican-christian-family-values-a8060631.html

[austingtir]

The only thing suprising about that photo is that they're Democrats. The kinky stuff is usually the "family values" Republicans - like this:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/lawmaker-wes-goodman-anti-lgbt-resigns-sex-man-office-caught-ohio-republican-christian-family-values-a8060631.html


Well he's gone so shouldn't she be gone too?

He all know how much howling would be going on from democrats if it was a republican male doing something like this....

[pzkpfw]

Deflect! Deflect!


Always fun to see the conservative types, who feel they defend freedom against those evil socialists who want to tell us all what to do, telling us all how to live.


By contrast I suppose it's OK to do anything with a hooker though, because you pay for it, and that's capitalism, which is always good, eh?

[austingtir]

Deflect! Deflect!


Always fun to see the conservative types, who feel they defend freedom against those evil socialists who want to tell us all what to do, telling us all how to live.


By contrast I suppose it's OK to do anything with a hooker though, because you pay for it, and that's capitalism, which is always good, eh?


No I could tell straight away I was watching a crazy guy ranting on YT.


How exactly are the Turks even going to use these nukes AFTER they even get their hands on them? Its not like you just press a button and they go off!!

How dumb are you?

Even if they got into a hardened bunkerised military base the US would just fly in with bunker busters and level the entire thing.

The Turks arent even remotely smart enough to pull this off.

[pzkpfw]

...

The Turks arent even remotely smart enough to pull this off.

They were smart enough to sucker Trump.

(Though Putin helped.)


In any case, figure out who wrote what, when you reply.

[austingtir]

Are dems really stupid enough to believe this:

https://twitter.com/HillaryClinton/status/1185316131998851072



Yeah and I bet NASA wrote back and told her to use her broom....


https://i.redd.it/hi7wsy712jt31.png

[pritch]

https://thehobbledehoy.com/2019/03/08/british-writer-pens-the-best-description-of-trump-ive-read/?fbclid=IwAR25xJL7iYST7gYpdo-xSOy1j6mhkVMCp_KKRSJPNR5ASNCcZrZU7R1Ir2Y

[sugilite]

Shock horror, Hilary caught lying, and Austin is all over that shit. Guess he does not have the weeks and weeks it would take to document Trumps lies :laugh::laugh::laugh:

In the mean time, This video highlights some of the very real gifts that Trump does have, being a corrupt crook.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REMOC7vBLRY

[austingtir]

Shock horror, Hilary caught lying, and Austin is all over that shit. Guess he does not have the weeks and weeks it would take to document Trumps lies :laugh::laugh::laugh:

In the mean time, This video highlights some of the very real gifts that Trump does have, being a corrupt crook.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REMOC7vBLRY


Funny how none of that is proven fact and even if it was it wouldnt change anything because its nothing in comparison to what all the dems have done.

Treason vs swindling banks out of money legally... hmm.

[oldrider]

Nobody cares - that is the crux of the matter! - If the "they" want him back as POTUS, so it will be and nothing will change that! - NOTHING! - :oi-grr:

[austingtir]

Nobody cares - that is the crux of the matter! - If the "they" want him back as POTUS, so it will be and nothing will change that! - NOTHING! - :oi-grr:

So the alternative is we let Hillary or some other communist UN Globalist controlled shill win who will remove gun rights and start a major civil war in the US destabilizing the country for the UN to use some sort of mandate to go in and take control of the most powerful country in the world to remold in their image....

Makes sense if your a communist.

[Katman]

Makes sense if your a communist.

Or a Zionist.

[husaberg]

Or a Zionist.

But only if you are a conspiracy egg with little common sense or ability to demonstrate the ability to rationally process information without a preconceived religious level of conspiracy theory bias.

[pzkpfw]

So the alternative is we let Hillary or some other communist UN Globalist controlled shill win who will remove gun rights and start a major civil war in the US destabilizing the country for the UN to use some sort of mandate to go in and take control of the most powerful country in the world to remold in their image....

Makes sense if your a communist.


* you're

(The rest of that is too batshit crazy to bother with.)

[austingtir]

* you're

(The rest of that is too batshit crazy to bother with.)

But thats the left's current plan?


Atleast we agree they are batshit crazy.


Hillaries worried about all those russians under her bed again like some in here.... How to do you people sleep at night?

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1185747939257397248?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1185747939257397248&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediae mbed%2Fdkdtyc%3Fresponsive%3Dtrue%26is_nightmode%3 Dfalse

[Woodman]

So the alternative is we let Hillary or some other communist UN Globalist controlled shill win who will remove gun rights and start a major civil war in the US destabilizing the country for the UN to use some sort of mandate to go in and take control of the most powerful country in the world to remold in their image....

Makes sense if your a communist.

So, do to America what America has been doing to others? Gets my vote.

[pete376403]

Jesus at the comments under that video. Between them and the retard making the vid... Rampant, RAMPANT TDS on display.

Absolute nonsense is all I just watched.

Brainwashed sheep.


Can you point out any errors in the original piece? Errors of fact, not opinion that is.

[sugilite]

Funny how none of that is proven fact and even if it was it wouldnt change anything because its nothing in comparison to what all the dems have done.

Treason vs swindling banks out of money legally... hmm.

The video was about Trump and his family dodging tax, not about defrauding banks <_<
AND Trump has nailed the trifecta over and over, Treason, Tax Evasion and Defrauding banks. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:


So the alternative is we let Hillary or some other communist UN Globalist controlled shill win who will remove gun rights and start a major civil war in the US destabilizing the country for the UN to use some sort of mandate to go in and take control of the most powerful country in the world to remold in their image....


Or Dump Trump and put a worthy Republican candidate up? You do realize the party is more than just him right?
Meanwhile, cracks are forming, won't take much before the domino's start cascading downwards.... :wings:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=so2kikf2mSI

[pritch]

I see that somebody has managed to penetrate the thick skull of Trump with some facts. He has now cancelled his plan to host the G7/G8/G? at his Trump National Doral resort. He is investigating another option. Camp David?

His plan was almost certainly to get his bed bug infested dump* renovated at the tax payers expense. He had said he would host the event on a no profit basis but that would have been a clear breach of the constitution and another impeachable offence.

He could still hold it there, as long as all the foreign delegations, their staff, and security, stayed completely free of charge. That idea didn't appeal apparently.



*https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/trump-claims-doral-bedbugs-nasty-rumor-despite-2017-legal-settlement-over-bedbugs/

[Katman]

But only if you are a conspiracy egg with little common sense or ability to demonstrate the ability to rationally process information without a preconceived religious level of conspiracy theory bias.

Spoken like a true rampant Zionist.

[austingtir]

I see that somebody has managed to penetrate the thick skull of Trump with some facts. He has now cancelled his plan to host the G7/G8/G? at his Trump National Doral resort. He is investigating another option. Camp David?


The DNC and the MSM should have to foot the bill themselves, since now it'll be full-price to hold the event.


"I announced that I would be willing to do it at NO PROFIT or, if legally permissible, at ZERO COST to the USA. But, as usual, the Hostile Media & their Democrat Partners went CRAZY!" Trump tweeted.

About 35 minutes later, Trump followed up with a tweet announcing the venue would be changed.

"Therefore, based on both Media & Democrat Crazed and Irrational Hostility, we will no longer consider Trump National Doral, Miami, as the Host Site for the G-7 in 2020," Trump tweeted. "We will begin the search for another site, including the possibility of Camp David, immediately. Thank you!"

[pritch]

The DNC and the MSM should have to foot the bill themselves, since now it'll be full-price to hold the event.


"I announced that I would be willing to do it at NO PROFIT or, if legally permissible, at ZERO COST to the USA. But, as usual, the Hostile Media & their Democrat Partners went CRAZY!" Trump tweeted.

About 35 minutes later, Trump followed up with a tweet announcing the venue would be changed.

"Therefore, based on both Media & Democrat Crazed and Irrational Hostility, we will no longer consider Trump National Doral, Miami, as the Host Site for the G-7 in 2020," Trump tweeted. "We will begin the search for another site, including the possibility of Camp David, immediately. Thank you!"

You're missing the point completely. Again. It would have been an impeachable offense for him to do it as detailed in his tweet (and in your post). He is making the Republicans nervous now. They don't want to go down with him. Hopefully the event will now be organised as it should have been from the beginning.

[Laava]

So, do to America what America has been doing to others? Gets my vote.
Absolutely! I couldn't give a fuck if usa flushes itself down the shitter.

[husaberg]

Spoken like a true rampant Zionist.

Really what other fantasies are you going to share.
If i are a "rampant zionist" surely i would have have expressed something remotely or slightly zionist over the years, it only stands to reason.
So you will have no issues posting them. Unless of course you make statements with out have any substance to back them up.
Oddly enough though back in reality, I could post heaps of racist, antisemitic comments posts, links to racist and antisemitic material you have posted over the years.
Yet you claim not to be racist or antisemitic, Which shows how completely detached from reality you really are.

[pritch]

Interesting but...

https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/us-democrats-in-talks-with-jordan-s-king-abdullah-1.925818

[sugilite]

This oaf has blood of allies on his hands big time, just another nail in his coffin. Even republicans are livid. Maybe Trump will keel over from a heart attack due to all his self inflicted pressure before he gets thrown out in the coming election
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12278077

[austingtir]

This oaf has blood of allies on his hands big time, just another nail in his coffin. Even republicans are livid. Maybe Trump will keel over from a heart attack due to all his self inflicted pressure before he gets thrown out in the coming election
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12278077

What a load of utter bollocks that article is. What is it with lefties and comparing everything to hitler. Totally deranged article that one!!

[austingtir]

The Germans are getting some more of that cultural enrichment they rightly deserve!

https://www.dw.com/en/brawls-between-kurds-and-turks-injure-several-across-germany/a-50863715

[sugilite]

More cracks appearing. It will be night of the long knives for Trump. Republicans could well surprise Trump by voting to remove him in the dems led impeachment. Then put pence in to steady the ship and then find a charismatic candidate for the election. Would definitely be the best pain free way of removing their cancerous tumour and just about the only way they can retain power.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/mcconnell-rips-syria-withdrawal-as-a-strategic-nightmare/

[TheDemonLord]

Tulsi should flip to Republican (and drop a few of her silly ideas) but she wont and thats why we cant take her seriously.


Absolutely disagree, Tulsi is precisely what the Democrats need right now. It's probably not what they are going to get, but it is what they need. A Moderate Left-wing candidate who isn't infected with Identity Politics.

[austingtir]

Absolutely disagree, Tulsi is precisely what the Democrats need right now. It's probably not what they are going to get, but it is what they need. A Moderate Left-wing candidate who isn't infected with Identity Politics.

None of them are moderate... although compared to the rest she LOOKS moderate.

She's actually got some pretty hardcore fucked up ideas if you look through all her policy.

https://i.redd.it/n6mrg2msnit31.png

[TheDemonLord]

None of them are moderate... although compared to the rest she LOOKS moderate.

She's actually got some pretty hardcore fucked up ideas if you look through all her policy.

That's pandering to the current Democrat voterbase

[austingtir]

https://i.redd.it/t19tmstuiot31.jpg

[sugilite]

https://i.redd.it/t19tmstuiot31.jpg

^^ No rabid generalization here - oh, wait :pinch:

[sugilite]

Trump running out of mates and personal lawyers, Barr included :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Roid_QulSM

[oldrider]

What a load of bollocks - meanwhile back in the real world? - :rolleyes:

Winners & Losers In The Failed American Project For A 'New Middle East' - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/winners-and-losers-turkish-attack-kurds-syria

[austingtir]

What a load of bollocks - meanwhile back in the real world? - :rolleyes:

Winners & Losers In The Failed American Project For A 'New Middle East' - https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/winners-and-losers-turkish-attack-kurds-syria


WARNING dont watch this unless you think you can handle it.

As I said the Turks are POS and I gaurantee they wouldnt be doing it if the Kurds didnt do it to them too.

https://www.israelvideonetwork.com/clips-of-turkish-soldiers-massacring-kurds/

Pure execution this is what Erdogan brings to the world as a member of NATO

But according to the MSM and the turkies on here they are all angels and the west should spend the next 100 years keeping these clowns apart...:facepalm:

[austingtir]

Interesting how Trumps message basically hasnt changed in 30 years....

And even more interesting how Oprah and probably everyone in that audience probably would of sucked his cock back stage but now hate his guts.


https://youtu.be/SEPs17_AkTI

[pritch]

Trump running out of mates and personal lawyers, Barr included :lol:


Ari Melber is good, I normally listen to his show most weekends. He's a lawyer but doesn't usually offer opinions on the law himself, he uses guest lawyers, but because of his background he knows what questions to ask.

He also sometimes includes musical personalities, but music from the second decade of the twenty first century is not really my thing.

[TheDemonLord]

Interesting how Trumps message basically hasnt changed in 30 years....

And even more interesting how Oprah and probably everyone in that audience probably would of sucked his cock back stage but now hate his guts.

The other thing to note is how he isn't too dissimilar from the platform that a Certain Clinton ran on back in the 90s.

[Viking01]

A few days ago, Don decided to relocate troops in Syria home
(well, a few of them). Much to the howls of protest. Although
it appears "home" was actually northern Iraq, instead of the US:

https://www.rt.com/news/471348-us-troops-syria-iraq/

Meanwhile, Don has changed his mind (again), and decided that
maybe a few US troops should instead stay behind and guard
important Syrian oil fields east of the Euphrates:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trump-boasts-us-has-secured-oil-syria
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201910211077111257-its-always-about-oil-huh-trump-mulls-keeping-syrian-crude-with-us-companys-help/

It seems the Syrian administration would like to regain control of,
and revive their oil fields as well.

https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13980728000639

And should the Syrian military decide to push east of the Euphrates
and seek to retake possession:

The Syrian Kurds will continue to align with the Syrian administration ?

The US will relinquish the Syrian oil fields without causing any damage ?

[austingtir]

A few days ago, Don decided to relocate troops in Syria home
(well, a few of them). Much to the howls of protest. Although
it appears "home" was actually northern Iraq, instead of the US:

https://www.rt.com/news/471348-us-troops-syria-iraq/

Meanwhile, Don has changed his mind (again), and decided that
maybe a few US troops should instead stay behind and guard
important Syrian oil fields east of the Euphrates:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/trump-boasts-us-has-secured-oil-syria
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201910211077111257-its-always-about-oil-huh-trump-mulls-keeping-syrian-crude-with-us-companys-help/

It seems the Syrian administration would like to regain control of,
and revive their oil fields as well.

https://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13980728000639

And should the Syrian military decide to push east of the Euphrates
and seek to retake possession:

The Syrian Kurds will continue to align with the Syrian administration ?

The US will relinquish the Syrian oil fields without causing any damage ?



Seems to me like good negotiation. I doubt Trump is going to protect any oil fields unless the oil that comes from them is going to be headed in his direction.

It's a hell of a lot better than ISIS getting it and selling it to Turks on the black market as was happening a few years back.

[austingtir]

Tulsi caught hanging around with ANTIFA leadership in portland.....

https://twitter.com/badluck_jones/status/1185728764061405185

[austingtir]

bUt ThE kUrDs.

Meanwhile in mexico....

mexican MILITARY and police took el chapo's son... the cartel came and took him BACK!!!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHHoru4XYAAFpLM?format=jpg&name=large

https://i.imgur.com/iSuB2y7.png

https://i.imgur.com/VtByu5A.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uBQfoTnfxA4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=5yv8d1qys0I

[pritch]

Meanwhile, Don has changed his mind (again), and decided that
maybe a few US troops should instead stay behind and guard
important Syrian oil fields east of the Euphrates:



Donald claimed that "we" have control of the oil. Turns out that by "we" he meant Putin.

[oldrider]

Trump: US May Have to Go to War With Iran Soon:- :whistle: - https://news.antiwar.com/2019/10/21/trump-us-may-have-to-go-to-war-with-iran-soon/ - :msn-wink:

[austingtir]

Trump: US May Have to Go to War With Iran Soon:- :whistle: - https://news.antiwar.com/2019/10/21/trump-us-may-have-to-go-to-war-with-iran-soon/ - :msn-wink:

Probably but not until the deepstate get their false flag sorted out.

Anybody who knows basic history knows they are working on it.

[austingtir]

Tulsi is still kicking the shit out of Hillary. This shit is glorious to watch and well past its due date.


https://youtu.be/cGBbaYeEUik


Has tulsi found the DNC's weak spot? Or will the MSM just completely ignore this.

Apparently according to Shillary Bernie is now a Russian agent as well... Hope this democrat civil war goes nuclear.

[sugilite]

^^ except hardly anyone is bothering to take notice of that (as entertaining as it is) Because of this - most damning testimony to date from a 50 year career diplomat held in the highest regard.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI_NYm9BT90

If the Republicans have any sense they will surprise Trump by supporting the Impeachment - yank that rot out by the roots and get a person in that actually knows how to do the job.

[austingtir]

^^ Yeah it only took the democrats two weeks to get their puppets in the MSM talking points in line!!!

Thanks for proving my point BTW.


https://youtu.be/bZCLpv_XnN0?t=361



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY8QWB6t-sU



Must suck to have me keep coming in here popping your bubbles!

[sugilite]

^^ oh dear, you must have missed the highly respected diplomats testimony about Trump breaking laws, impeachable laws. You spend so much time firing off ammo at the messenger you miss the main point.
To me impeachment is just a side show. The main event will be Trump getting voted out in 2020 (then the avalanche of charges post election will have him in jail).
If the republicans ditch Trump in a surprise impeachment ambush, and they get a decent candidate up for the presidency, they could actually win it in 2020. With Trump. not a chance.

[austingtir]

^^ oh dear, you must have missed the highly respected diplomats testimony about Trump breaking laws, impeachable laws. You spend so much time firing off ammo at the messenger you miss the main point.
To me impeachment is just a side show. The main event will be Trump getting voted out in 2020 (then the avalanche of charges post election will have him in jail).
If the republicans ditch Trump in a surprise impeachment ambush, and they get a decent candidate up for the presidency, they could actually win it in 2020. With Trump. not a chance.


You should be a fantasy novelist.

[sugilite]

You should be a fantasy novelist.
Look, Austin I get it, you are so far gone with Trump that if Mother Teresa were still alive and said she reported that she saw Donald stole a cookie you would be leaping to his defense saying she was a deep state plant.
The facts are Trump is deeply unpopular, a straight our criminal, and prisoner in waiting on tax evasion charges alone. Shoot the messenger all you like, it does not change the underlying truth.

[pritch]

Bill Taylor's letter to the impeachment inquiry is an interesting read. The man was a career diplomat who has served under both Democrat and Republican presidents.

Austingturd's unhinged fantasies become a little more understandable, he watches Bongino. I watched as much Bongino as I could take. Factually he's wrong. The Steele dossier is not what kick started the Russia investigation. Most of the rest of what I saw has the word "if" doing seriously heavy work.

Trump compared the impeachment inquiry to a lynching which did not go down well in parts of the US of A. Lubyanka Lindy Graham backed him up but Moscow Mitch McConnell distanced himself.

McConnell finds himself in an interesting situation as he approaches an election year. He is polling 20% support in his home state. He wil not be happy with that, something needs to change. A different president perhaps?

[jasonu]

^^ except hardly anyone is bothering to take notice of that (as entertaining as it is) Because of this - most damning testimony to date from a 50 year career diplomat held in the highest regard.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RI_NYm9BT90

If the Republicans have any sense they will surprise Trump by supporting the Impeachment - yank that rot out by the roots and get a person in that actually knows how to do the job.

That show is one of the most biased on TV.

[pritch]

Trump has announced that he’s building a wall, a beautiful wall, you can’t go over it, you can’t go under it, and it’s in Colorado. Perhaps he’s planning on getting New Mexico to pay for it? Imbecile.

He has referred to the Democrats as “human scum”. Very presidential. It could be that the impeachment inquiry has him worried. It should.

To understand the legalities involved in Trump’s various escapades I listen to several US legal podcasts. One such mentioned this legal court room tactic.
If you’ve got the law, you bang the law.
If you’ve got the facts, you bang the facts.
If you’ve got nothing, you bang the table.

Similarly if you have no legitimate defence, you attack the process. As Trump is doing.

[sugilite]

That show is one of the most biased on TV.
I agree, though I'm not aware of any outlets that are actually unbiased.
I posted that one at random out of the many outlets that have released the damming transcript of the diplomat. Not that I think anyone if they were being honest did not already know was what had actually happened.

[austingtir]

If the democrats arent human scum why do they keep acting like it?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/epic-gop-reps-byrne-and-gohmert-screamed-in-adam-schiffs-face-as-they-stormed-scif/

[sugilite]

If the democrats arent human scum why do they keep acting like it?

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/epic-gop-reps-byrne-and-gohmert-screamed-in-adam-schiffs-face-as-they-stormed-scif/

You mean why are they conducting this impeachment inquiry following the laid out rules and the way they have always been conducted in the past?
One of the biggest problems in USA politics is each side does not care when their pollies play up, only when the other sides do. They do not seem to realize ALL POLLIES need to be held to account for this never ending river of bullshit.

[oldrider]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to sugilite again.

[pritch]

Matt Gaetz and the idiots who accompanied him into that Secure Compartmented Information Facility should all be charged. Any other person taking a cell phone or smart watch into a SCIF risks losing their job.

They should all be arrested but will probably just receive a strongly worded letter. The Sergeant at Arms has been instructed to take action. They may have damaged their promotion prospects though as this behaviour should have a negative effect on any future security clearance.

For the benefit of anyone who doesn’t know, all the talk about secret hearings is bullshit. There are 45 Republicans involved in the process as they hold seats on one of the three committees conducting impeachment hearings.

[sugilite]

For the benefit of anyone who doesn’t know, all the talk about secret hearings is bullshit. There are 45 Republicans involved in the process as they hold seats on one of the three committees conducting impeachment hearings.

Yes, it is all about keeping the gullible Trump base in a froth - we have our very own one right here on KB.

[austingtir]

You mean why are they conducting this impeachment inquiry following the laid out rules and the way they have always been conducted in the past?


Exactly, what Schiff is trying to do is not legal because the Republicans on that committee have as much right as he does to hear any testimony as they do. Which is why the republicans just barged in on it and Schiff couldnt do anything but run away like a stray dog.

[sugilite]

^^ And right on queue, in stumbles our token Trump Base member to prove the point. Totally unaware that there are Republicans on the committees and the rules of this process have been in place for yeeeaaarrrssss.
As mentioned, dim witted Trump base aficionados are a corrupt pollies wet dream.

[austingtir]

^^ And right on queue, in stumbles our token Trump Base member to prove the point. Totally unaware that there are Republicans on the committees and the rules of this process have been in place for yeeeaaarrrssss.
As mentioned, dim witted Trump base aficionados are a corrupt pollies wet dream.

But im right that Republicans have just as much right as those democrats that are on the same committee on oversight to hear that testimony.

That is just flat out the facts. You can pretend all you want.


Going lalalala in you head is not going to change the facts.


Its just funny to watch how butt hurt you are over all this.

[sugilite]

But im right that Republicans have just as much right as those democrats that are on the same committee on oversight to hear that testimony.

That is just flat out the facts. You can pretend all you want.


Going lalalala in you head is not going to change the facts.


Its just funny to watch how butt hurt you are over all this.
The odd thing is Austin, I'm not butt hurt at all, and due process as stated ion US laws are being followed. I'm sure you would not even blink if it was a Democrat President was being impeached.
Just relax man, if the Republicans disagree, they will repeal in the senate. also part of the law/Impeachment process.

I know the laws are inconvenient for you and your guy, but unfortunately, they cannot simply be wished away, no matter how much you wish them to be.

[pritch]

But im right that Republicans have just as much right as those democrats that are on the same committee on oversight to hear that testimony.


To that extent you are absolutely right, and there are 45 Republicans sitting over the three committees and they are hearing all the evidence, and they are asking their own questions.

Beyond that you are arguing with a situation that just does not exist. Although we should be used to that...

[austingtir]

The odd thing is Austin, I'm not butt hurt at all, and due process as stated ion US laws are being followed. I'm sure you would not even blink if it was a Democrat President was being impeached.
Just relax man, if the Republicans disagree, they will repeal in the senate. also part of the law/Impeachment process.

I know the laws are inconvenient for you and your guy, but unfortunately, they cannot simply be wished away, no matter how much you wish them to be.

If due process was being followed Republicans would be sitting in with Schiff and co to hear testimony.


Its pretty simple but in "orange man bad land" things arent this simple are they?

[sugilite]

^^ they say ignorance is bliss, so I guess Austin is one of the happiest people around..
Unless if course it is articles like the one below that have him in a cold sweat. :devil2:

https://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/opinions-why-the-senate-might-actually-remove-trump-from-office/ar-AAJcGWU

[pritch]

if due process was being followed republicans would be sitting in with schiff and co to hear testimony.


They fucking are. Forty fucking five of them. Ffs

Fucking software won't let me do all caps. Winja would be crying in his beer.

[austingtir]

They fucking are. Forty fucking five of them. Ffs

Fucking software won't let me do all caps. Winja would be crying in his beer.



Then the media also and the public should be able to see whats going on.


The dems are only using this closed door hearings so they can eventually leak more out of context bullshit just like when they went after trump for that ukraine phone call and then he released the transcript and blew schiff and all these other idiots out of the water.... yet schiff still went on to make shit up anyway.

The "hearings" are being held behind closed doors. Then someone is leaking hand picked "facts" to the media. So either the hearing is confidential and the dems call out there own for leaking. Or they make it open to ALL members of the house and the media.

The entire thing is a farce no matter which way you spin it.

[sugilite]

^^ Jeeeesus Austin, the amount of spin coming from your last few posts alone would have a Fisher and Pykel engineer bristling with pride!
The laws already in place and used in impeachment proceedings in the past for both Republican and Democrat Presidents will not be customized just for Trump and his in denial base - no matter how much you all cry over it. :crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:

[austingtir]

^^ Jeeeesus Austin, the amount of spin coming from your last few posts alone would have a Fisher and Pykel engineer bristling with pride!
The laws already in place and used in impeachment proceedings in the past for both Republican and Democrat Presidents will not be customized just for Trump and his in denial base - no matter how much you all cry over it. :crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:


Still living in your head rent free.... Sad but true.

[Laava]

^^ Jeeeesus Austin, the amount of spin coming from your last few posts alone would have a Fisher and Pykel engineer bristling with pride!
The laws already in place and used in impeachment proceedings in the past for both Republican and Democrat Presidents will not be customized just for Trump and his in denial base - no matter how much you all cry over it. :crybaby::crybaby::crybaby::crybaby:

I don't think he's finished yet.

[pritch]

Then the media also and the public should be able to see whats going on.


That's wrong. Trump is saying that, but he is full of it.

I'll keep it simple.

This is an impeachment inquiry.

Police investigations are usually private. Grand Juries are normally secret. Congressional impeachment inquiries are similar.

Trials are normally public. The Senate Impeachment Trial would be public - if that's the outcome of the inquiry.

[austingtir]

That's wrong. Trump is saying that, but he is full of it.

I'll keep it simple.

This is an impeachment inquiry.

Police investigations are usually private. Grand Juries are normally secret. Congressional impeachment inquiries are similar.

Trials are normally public. The Senate Impeachment Trial would be public - if that's the outcome of the inquiry.


In the case of presidential impeachment inquiries this is way outside the norm. Both sides have agreed on the terms in the past. To throw that out the door means anything goes and its simply going to be another great big shit show. Which in the end nothing happens.

[austingtir]

Just LMAO: Freaking bootlicking democrats = "nothing to see here folks!"

EXCLUSIVE: Shocking photos of Congresswoman Katie Hill are revealed as she's seen NAKED showing off Nazi-era tattoo while smoking a bong, kissing her female staffer and posing nude on 'wife sharing' sites
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ONG-NAKED.html
Katie Hill, 32, has been seen in a series of shocking photographs obtained exclusively by DailyMail.com
Hill was pictured kissing and brushing her young female staffer's hair, who DailyMail.com can identify as Morgan Desjardins from Santa Clarita, California
The then 22-year-old began a throuple relationship with Hill and her husband Kenny Heslep shortly after she started working for Hill in 2017
Texts and photos between Hill, Heslep and Desjardins reveal their throuple was steamy at first, but ended with Hill leaving them 'high and dry'
The congresswoman was also seen posing naked while smoking a bong on 9/11 in 2017, as a tattoo of a Nazi-era Iron Cross on her bikini line is on full display
The tattoo could open the congresswoman to accusations of hypocrisy, after she criticized racist Facebook posts that included a similar-looking cross
Sources revealed Hill and Heslep also posted Hill's naked photos online in 2016 under a thread called 'WouldYouF**kMyWife' and 'wifesharing'


This shit is hilarious is she gunna get metoo'd? And probably by a law she would of been all for:
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/24/773025596/first-lawmaker-to-trigger-new-metoo-era-conduct-rules-is-a-female-freshman

[sugilite]

Just LMAO: Freaking bootlicking democrats = "nothing to see here folks!"

EXCLUSIVE: Shocking photos of Congresswoman Katie Hill are revealed as she's seen NAKED showing off Nazi-era tattoo while smoking a bong, kissing her female staffer and posing nude on 'wife sharing' sites
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ONG-NAKED.html
Katie Hill, 32, has been seen in a series of shocking photographs obtained exclusively by DailyMail.com
Hill was pictured kissing and brushing her young female staffer's hair, who DailyMail.com can identify as Morgan Desjardins from Santa Clarita, California
The then 22-year-old began a throuple relationship with Hill and her husband Kenny Heslep shortly after she started working for Hill in 2017
Texts and photos between Hill, Heslep and Desjardins reveal their throuple was steamy at first, but ended with Hill leaving them 'high and dry'
The congresswoman was also seen posing naked while smoking a bong on 9/11 in 2017, as a tattoo of a Nazi-era Iron Cross on her bikini line is on full display
The tattoo could open the congresswoman to accusations of hypocrisy, after she criticized racist Facebook posts that included a similar-looking cross
Sources revealed Hill and Heslep also posted Hill's naked photos online in 2016 under a thread called 'WouldYouF**kMyWife' and 'wifesharing'


This shit is hilarious is she gunna get metoo'd? And probably by a law she would of been all for:
https://www.npr.org/2019/10/24/773025596/first-lawmaker-to-trigger-new-metoo-era-conduct-rules-is-a-female-freshman

Sounds like a Congresswoman one could really get behind :innocent:

[pritch]

In the case of presidential impeachment inquiries this is way outside the norm. Both sides have agreed on the terms in the past. To throw that out the door means anything goes and its simply going to be another great big shit show. Which in the end nothing happens.

Again. This is complete bollocks. No surprises there though.

You should like this clip, it's from FOX. It's Judge Napolitano, their senior legal analyst. Strangely for FOX it's factual. Well his part is. This clip has commentary following the Napolitano piece but you don't have to watch that. I didn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbV5G3o10-I

[pritch]

EXCLUSIVE: Shocking photos of Congresswoman Katie Hill are revealed as she's seen NAKED showing off Nazi-era tattoo while smoking a bong, kissing her female staffer and posing nude on 'wife sharing' sites
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ONG-NAKED.html


"Sorry, we can't find the page you are looking for."

[oldrider]

The march of tyranny will get you what "they" want - are'nt you simply playing "their" game? :msn-wink: (A and B fighting for the benefit of "C"?) :wait:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1187436435437174785

[austingtir]

"Sorry, we can't find the page you are looking for."

Yeah they probably had to take it down because its just to embarrassing for the dems.

Anyway all the info you need is in the blurb.

[austingtir]

Democrats calling the clinton impeachment a "lynching"...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=R6rK8txfXiU

[austingtir]

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/467223-sondland-attorney-disputes-key-portions-of-taylor-testimony-report

Will the media cover it like they did the Taylor testimony, even though it wasn't actually "damning"? Taylor is a Schiff follower, met with Schiff staffers in August, who flew to Ukraine via Burisma. Yeah, umm...Schiffty in here.

Its funny how all these "whistle blowers" can be connected directly to Hunter Bidens Burisma holdings or all the democrats running this impeachment inquiry among practically every other major happening in eastern europe or the middle east.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XfILd96rpVw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOP9rPYBBrg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns5A31dzALk

[TheDemonLord]

"Sorry, we can't find the page you are looking for."

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7609835/Katie-Hill-seen-showing-Nazi-era-tattoo-smoking-BONG-NAKED.html

Copy 'Katie Hill', paste in search bar, first result.

Personally - I've got no issue with an Iron Cross Tattoo, Wife Sharing/Swapping/Swinging/whatever.

The relationship with a staff member at most could be improper.

Seems to me at worst this could be a serious error of Judgement posting certain things online.

[austingtir]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7609835/Katie-Hill-seen-showing-Nazi-era-tattoo-smoking-BONG-NAKED.html

Copy 'Katie Hill', paste in search bar, first result.

Personally - I've got no issue with an Iron Cross Tattoo, Wife Sharing/Swapping/Swinging/whatever.

The relationship with a staff member at most could be improper.

Seems to me at worst this could be a serious error of Judgement posting certain things online.


The rules are clear she is not allowed to treat staffers like she was. Which is why there is an ongoing investigation into what she was doing.

The funny about this is these rules were really designed for all the male politicians... but the first one to get done over by them will be a female democrat...

If a republican did anything even vaguely like this it would be front page news all over the world.

[TheDemonLord]

The rules are clear she is not allowed to treat staffers like she was. Which is why there is an ongoing investigation into what she was doing.

The funny about this is these rules were really designed for all the male politicians... but the first one to get done over by them will be a female democrat...

If a republican did anything even vaguely like this it would be front page news all over the world.

To be fair, the Daily Mail is a Mainstream newspaper, I agree there is a disparity if the person was Male, but as above, I don't much care eitherway.

However, something of hilarious note (especially to all those who say Trump is stupid):

It appears Joe Biden started a new campaign aimed at the Latin vote.

But forgot to register any of the internet Domains for it.

Guess who did....

And guess who now has a section on their website, in spanish, saying that Joe forgot about Latinos.

[austingtir]

To be fair, the Daily Mail is a Mainstream newspaper, I agree there is a disparity if the person was Male, but as above, I don't much care eitherway.

However, something of hilarious note (especially to all those who say Trump is stupid):

It appears Joe Biden started a new campaign aimed at the Latin vote.

But forgot to register any of the internet Domains for it.

Guess who did....

And guess who now has a section on their website, in spanish, saying that Joe forgot about Latinos.


Trumps done that multiple times now on opponents pretty sure he did it to hillary and half the other democrats too.

[austingtir]

"Sorry, we can't find the page you are looking for."

ahh but the internet never forgets: http://archive.is/lCikj

And heres why:

BREAKING: Katie Hill Sends Cease And Desist Letter To Daily Mail Website Over Nude Photos “We demand you remove these photos from publication at once,” reads a letter from the California Democrat’s attorneys.’


Its the same law firm that Hillary and the DNC used to launder money/payments for the fake Steele dossier. The deep state is desperate to stop these from leaking out... I wonder why.

[Banditbandit]

Just LMAO: Freaking bootlicking democrats = "nothing to see here folks!"

EXCLUSIVE: Shocking photos of Congresswoman Katie Hill are revealed as she's seen NAKED showing off Nazi-era tattoo while smoking a bong, kissing her female staffer and posing nude on 'wife sharing' sites
[/url]


The mail again!!! Jees - find a credible source mate ..

You rave on about the media distorting everything - but the mail is one of the worst ...

[Banditbandit]

ahh but the internet never forgets: http://archive.is/lCikj

And heres why:

BREAKING: Katie Hill Sends Cease And Desist Letter To Daily Mail Website Over Nude Photos “We demand you remove these photos from publication at once,” reads a letter from the California Democrat’s attorneys.’


Its the same law firm that Hillary and the DNC used to launder money/payments for the fake Steele dossier. The deep state is desperate to stop these from leaking out... I wonder why.

Read the fuckin' letter - if you can - spurious photos .. the mail have been done for this kind of stuff before ..

You'll believe any bullshit the media puts out ...

[pritch]

Read the fuckin' letter - if you can - spurious photos .. the mail have been done for this kind of stuff before ..

You'll believe any bullshit the media puts out ...

The British tabloids are awful and the Mail is right down there, they reputedly supported Hitler back in the day. But even the Mail is better than the loony fringe nonsense he usually posts.

[Viking01]

The British tabloids are awful and the Mail is right down there, they reputedly supported Hitler back in the day. But even the Mail is better than the loony fringe nonsense he usually posts.

Maybe not the most reliable news site, but the following article might contain
a few grains of truth (and reflect that it was not only the tabloids that were
in awe of Hitler at that time):

https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-british-high-society-fell-in-love-with-the-nazis

[pritch]

I see that Stephanie Grisham has spoken in support of Trump’s “human scum” comments. Stephanie is the Whitehouse Press Officer / Communications Director but although she has been on the payroll for months is yet to conduct a press conference. In fact Stephanie has more drunk driving arrests than press conferences to her credit, and if she did a press conference tomorrow that could still be the case.

Only the best people.

[jasonu]

The British tabloids are awful and the Mail is right down there, they reputedly supported Hitler back in the day. But even the Mail is better than the loony fringe nonsense he usually posts.

You're the one that was constantly quoting Vanity Fair.

[Katman]

You're the one that was constantly quoting Vanity Fair.


That, or Mills & Boon.

[pritch]

That, or Mills & Boon.

You were doing better when you said fuck all.

[austingtir]

"But I will say this, I think you will see things that no one will believe."


https://youtu.be/ZaI4ocl4Clc


https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2019/10/you-will-see-things-no-one-will-believe-president-trump-warns-deep-state-on-ongoing-durham-and-barr-criminal-probe-video/


Oh how they laughed when Trump said 0bama had wire tapped him.
He who laughs last.......

[pritch]

"But I will say this, I think you will see things that no one will believe."


He's right. I didn't believe any of that.

[austingtir]

He's right. I didn't believe any of that.

Its a good thing your opinion doesnt matter then aye!?

[pritch]

Its a good thing your opinion doesnt matter then aye!?

I think you mean "eh" rather than aye eh? It's not difficult it's only two letters, you can do it.

Neither my opinion nor yours matter, but no American with an IQ above room temperature will believe all that.

[oldrider]

Let him (husaberg) be "NO ONE" takes any notice of him and even less take him seriously - this is a "rant and rave" free speech forum anyway - that's why we are here! :msn-wink:

[austingtir]

Let him (husaberg) be "NO ONE" takes any notice of him and even less take him seriously - this is a "rant and rave" free speech forum anyway - that's why we are here! :msn-wink:

Yeah as long as its rant and rave not Doxx and more doxxing im fine with that.

[oldrider]

Yeah as long as its rant and rave not Doxx and more doxxing im fine with that.

He (husaberg) can only hurt you or bother you if "you" allow him to - it is actually completely up to you - you should not mind because he simply does not matter! :no:

[austingtir]

This is deff one of his better Trolls. He got Biden pretty good with this one.

https://www.insider.com/trump-purcha...-biden-2019-10

https://www.todosconbiden.com/


https://twitter.com/todosconbiden

https://joebiden.info/

[austingtir]

Trump tweeting about FBI caught altering general flynns 302's.....

Not looking good for the deepstaters atm I have to say.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1187876420342689792

https://twitter.com/Jim_Jordan/status/1187820031645798401

[sugilite]

Or Trumps impeachment - naturally there will be an appeal, but if they lose that, then uh oh, another twist on the cork And when that cork finally pops - the torrent of shit that will spill will be spectacular.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/116949046/big-blow-for-donald-trump-battle-against-impeachment-inquiry

[pritch]

Here is a more realistic appraisal of that Trump speech that Yokel posted.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/10/23/opinions/trumps-lies-on-syria-were-jaw-dropping-ghitis/index.html

[Katman]

Here is a more realistic appraisal of that Trump speech that Yokel posted.

CNN realistic?

Well that would clearly depend on your bias.

[pritch]

CNN realistic?

Well that would clearly depend on your bias.

There is a difference here that seems to elude some. CNN, MSNBC etc can be biased it's true. The reporters on FOX can also display bias. The FOX opinion hosts on the other hand: Hannity, Ingraham, Carlson, Dodds, etc, present complete fiction as fact and that's a whole 'nutha ballgame. The result is a minority, but still significant part of the US population, hold views that are completely divorced from reality. And that is dangerous.

[oldrider]

Guess if you make em - it's logical that you can break em? - :rolleyes: (Any similarity to Osama Bin-Laden case is purely coincidental)

https://twitter.com/HenryMakow/status/1188518279129763840/photo/1

[austingtir]

There is a difference here that seems to elude some. CNN, MSNBC etc can be biased it's true. The reporters on FOX can also display bias. The FOX opinion hosts on the other hand, Hannity, Ingraham, Carlson, Dodds, etc, present complete fiction as fact and that's a whole 'nutha ballgame. The result is a minority, but still significant part of the US population, hold views that are completely divorced from reality. And that is dangerous.


And what if your wrong and its the complete opposite that is true?


The mueller thing was a hoax and a fraud now we have this impeachment process based off the same fake evidence that was ALL totally manufactured by mueller and Obama's cabinet. All of which can be verifiably proven!!


What if you and CNN are the dangerous ones?

[pritch]

The mueller thing was a hoax and a fraud now we have this impeachment process based off the same fake evidence that was ALL totally manufactured by mueller and Obama's cabinet. All of which can be verifiably proven!!



Verifiably proven? Pardon my mirth.

The Mueller report was some hoax. There are about thirty people charged with crimes and some actually doing time. And it ran at a profit, although you won't see that on FOX.

Obviously you know nothing at all but allow me to assist. A judge has recently ruled that the unredacted version of the report must be given to congress, but you can still read the redacted version here:

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

If you were to read that you would actually know something - and that would be a first.

[austingtir]

Verifiably proven? Pardon my mirth.

The Mueller report was some hoax. There are about thirty people charged with crimes and some actually doing time. And it ran at a profit, although you won't see that on FOX.

Obviously you know nothing at all but allow me to assist. A judge has recently ruled that the unredacted version of the report must be given to congress, but you can still read the redacted version here:

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

If you were to read that you would actually know something - and that would be a first.


Why would I bother reading a report I know is based off of false pretenses? Which I KNEW was false 3 years ago when they started it? The dems and obama manufactured everything in an attempted coup on Trump end of story.

They may have got a few people (most of which on bogus charges of which general Flynn is probably the most notable which is most likely going to be turned around because of the frauded 302's). The entire thing is a which hunt and the evidence proves it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZCLpv_XnN0&t=485s


If you go back through Dan bonginos vids he covers alot of whats actually going on.

The dems have failed in their attempted coup and they know it. Now the people involved need to be charged with outright treason for an attempted coup on a duly elected president and executed.

All they have now is idiots like you they can manipulate via the MSM.

[sugilite]

A number of Republicans are wanting a secret ballet on the impeach and remove vote.
They be sharpening up the knives.

[pritch]

Here we have two "situation room" photographs. One is factual the other is staged hours after the event but is claimed as being real. Note the obvious tension in the first photograph taken during the Bin Laden raid.

In the second photograph note the artfully disconnected ethernet cables, and that all assembled are looking at the camera rather than at a screen. Of course, despite claims to the contrary, this picture had to be posed because at the time of the raid the idiot in chief was in action on his golf course.

[Katman]

….and that all assembled are looking at the camera rather than at a screen.

You should probably get your eyes checked.

[austingtir]

Here we have two "situation room" photographs. One is factual the other is staged hours after the event but is claimed as being real. Note the obvious tension in the first photograph taken during the Bin Laden raid.

In the second photograph note the artfully disconnected ethernet cables, and that all assembled are looking at the camera rather than at a screen. Of course, despite claims to the contrary, this picture had to be posed because at the time of the raid the idiot in chief was in action on his golf course.


So the raid started at 15:30 and they took a picture at 17:05. do you think the entire thing only lasted 15 minutes?

"Herp derp hey u guise the whole event took place in one minute and one minute alone."

They were in the compound itself for 2 hours and the entire event lasted several hours.


Good to know tough and serious guys are in charge of the USA's defence.

just LOL @ the limp wrist substitute teachers in that first picture.


lolllllll

Pritch's TDS gets the better of him again and believes anything that points a certain narrative at trump.

How embarrassing.

[austingtir]

She decided to jump ship before the really juicy stuff came out.... Because we all know what she got caught doing is just the tip of the iceberg.

Even more funny is she was one of the dems that was after Kavanaugh for drinking beers.

https://i.imgur.com/ztfLmuG.jpg

[sugilite]

[SIZE=7]


Pritch's TDS gets the better of him again and believes anything that points a certain narrative at trump.

How embarrassing.

As mentioned earlier Austin, history will record TDS as being people that were deranged enough to keep believing in Trump - even with the huge mountain of evidence before them. Even if you only go by his tweets and interviews alone, he has already admitted to a lot of skullduggery.
As soon as he is out, the IRS among many others will come crashing down on his head.

[jasonu]

There is a difference here that seems to elude some. CNN, MSNBC etc can be biased it's true. The reporters on FOX can also display bias. The FOX opinion hosts on the other hand: Hannity, Ingraham, Carlson, Dodds, etc, present complete fiction as fact and that's a whole 'nutha ballgame. The result is a minority, but still significant part of the US population, hold views that are completely divorced from reality. And that is dangerous.

Apart from husabird who is ignorant as well as biased you are the most biased person on here. You believe and regurgitate any old shit that is in line with your slant no matter where it comes from.

[sugilite]

As mentioned Austin, get off the internet in the USA and you find that Trump is deeply unpopular. The crowd were booing loudly and chants of "Lock Him Up" started up around the stadium. This should help him realize he is only popular at his own rallies.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/116974623/donald-trump-booed-chants-of-lock-him-up-at-basetballs-world-series

Roll on 2020 for his big ejection - unless the Republicans long knife him first and vote to impeach and remove.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1188626726051553285

[austingtir]

As mentioned Austin, get off the internet in the USA and you find that Trump is deeply unpopular. The crowd were booing loudly and chants of "Lock Him Up" started up around the stadium. This should help him realize he is only popular at his own rallies.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/other-sports/116974623/donald-trump-booed-chants-of-lock-him-up-at-basetballs-world-series

Roll on 2020 for his big ejection - unless the Republicans long knife him first and vote to impeach and remove.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1188626726051553285


Yeah at the "washington Nationals" game. Swamp territory....

Trump is the most thoroughly investigated person to ever live and they have dug up jack shit on him. In other words, a significant portion of the country either believes things that are objectively and provably false, or they simply want him behind bars because orange man bad.


A city that votes Democrat 97% and is the beltway for media execs boos a Republican President.

And water is wet.

[sugilite]

^^ So, I lived in republican territory for 1.5 years in the USA, and he was deeply unpopular with them as well. You just go off what you see on the internet Austin, where a small bunch of rowdy Trump supporters seem a larger number than what they really are. 2020, you will see. Personally I would rather see him get voted out than impeached. But for the good of their country, impeachment and a fast stage exit left would be best for all concerned, except Trump and his band of few followers that is.
Oh, and Trump will get locked up.

[austingtir]

^^ And the Trump curse strikes again:

https://i.imgur.com/hQb4xDG.png

[Katman]

2020, you will see.

Dude, you better hope you're right.

'Cos you ain't gonna hear the end of it if you're wrong.

[austingtir]

It's hard to comprehend a crowd would boo a person the day he killed the person that put thousands of woman and children into cages and burned them alive. It's hard to comprehend but thats how far gone the democrats are today.


https://i.redd.it/utikp9zwb7v31.png

[sugilite]

It's hard to comprehend a crowd would boo a person the day he killed the person that put thousands of woman and children into cages and burned them alive. It's hard to comprehend but thats how far gone the democrats are today.


Ohhhh, wow, I had no idea Captain Bone Spurs did the job himself - impressive :rolleyes:

[austingtir]

https://i.redd.it/xnrq45xja4v31.png

[sugilite]

^^ Desperate, absurd, and more than a little sad.

[sugilite]

Dude, you better hope you're right.

'Cos you ain't gonna hear the end of it if you're wrong.

If it came to that, I would admit I got it wrong, then put him on ignore :laugh:

[austingtir]

^^ Desperate, absurd, and more than a little sad.

Funny, I can show you photos of McCain with said Terrorists.

How would McCain of been able to get funding to isis terrorists without the secretary of state and probably the presidents approval aswell??


This is all stuff that is well known to people that have actually been paying attention.


But the orange man bad crowd still be suckin on Obama's dick.

[austingtir]

TRUMP:

"We were in the compound for approximately two
hours, and after the mission was accomplished, we took
highly sensitive material and information from the raid,
much having to do with ISIS origins, future plans,
things that we very much want."


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-death-isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi/


I wonder if they found the Ramadan holiday cards from Obama.


And for those that are clueless: ISIS spawned from the Syrian Rebel movement and was fueled by arms trafficking from defunct Libya through Benghazi which was then destroyed by a mob to remove the deep state's fingerprints.

Remember Hillary and Benghazi?...... got to cover your tracks somehow.

[Katman]

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-death-isis-leader-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi/

My god, that is the most incoherent rambling I've read in a long time.

[pritch]

Perhaps he forgot this?

[austingtir]

My god, that is the most incoherent rambling I've read in a long time.

Probably because its a transcript of what Trump actually said in the media conference.


Its hardly incoherent. Rambling yes.


Trump: "We are leaving Syria"
Baghdadi: sticks his head out of the cave

US Special Forces: "We got him"

[austingtir]

Nancy Pelosi - upset about not being told things.
Also Nancy Pelosi - storms out of meetings where people try to tell her things...

https://i.redd.it/02ed3zhzh6v31.jpg

[oldrider]

MEANWHILE, AT THE CIA SAFE HOUSE?:- :whistle: https://twitter.com/jamesperloff/status/1188555551237640194?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Eembeddedtimeline%7Ctwterm%5Eprofile%3AHenryMakow&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.henrymakow.com%2F - :msn-wink:

[Banditbandit]

Here we have two "situation room" photographs. One is factual the other is staged hours after the event but is claimed as being real. Note the obvious tension in the first photograph taken during the Bin Laden raid.

In the second photograph note the artfully disconnected ethernet cables, and that all assembled are looking at the camera rather than at a screen. Of course, despite claims to the contrary, this picture had to be posed because at the time of the raid the idiot in chief was in action on his golf course.

Russia claims to have killed Baghdadi in 2017 ..

I wonder who is telling the truth ???

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/russia-claims-it-has-killed-isis-leader-al-baghdadi/?fbclid=IwAR0dlhhwmtaWKk8gKBxlDkYj7OwO6u20ntUBdTNi imbHBFJ1-Nq9kwkaGDc

[austingtir]

Russia claims to have killed Baghdadi in 2017 ..

I wonder who is telling the truth ???

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/russia-claims-it-has-killed-isis-leader-al-baghdadi/?fbclid=IwAR0dlhhwmtaWKk8gKBxlDkYj7OwO6u20ntUBdTNi imbHBFJ1-Nq9kwkaGDc

Who knows but probably not the Russians.

https://nypost.com/2018/08/23/isis-leader-resurfaces-with-first-audio-recording-in-nearly-a-year/

[TheDemonLord]

Russia claims to have killed Baghdadi in 2017 ..

I wonder who is telling the truth ???

https://www.nbc4i.com/news/russia-claims-it-has-killed-isis-leader-al-baghdadi/?fbclid=IwAR0dlhhwmtaWKk8gKBxlDkYj7OwO6u20ntUBdTNi imbHBFJ1-Nq9kwkaGDc

TBH - I couldn't care if it was Satan himself that came up from the depths of Hell and dragged his torturing, raping ass back down to be the plaything for all his hellish Minions.

So long as the fucker is dead.

[oldrider]

780 day mission? - Wow! :corn: https://twitter.com/i/topics/news/e946247889?cn=ZmxleGlibGVfcmVjcw%3D%3D&refsrc=email - :scratch: - What's this really all about? - :wait:

[Banditbandit]

TBH - I couldn't care if it was Satan himself that came up from the depths of Hell and dragged his torturing, raping ass back down to be the plaything for all his hellish Minions.

So long as the fucker is dead.

True - but Trump will crow about it ..

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[jasonu]

True - but Trump will crow about it ..



Why shouldn't he?
When bammy finally got Osama he was a total nobody and it was all we heard about for months.

[austingtir]

True - but Trump will crow about it ..

https://scontent.fhlz2-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p75x225/74666226_2750596751646518_1436073876499988480_n.jp g?_nc_cat=106&cachebreaker=sd&_nc_oc=AQkM-gtgEccoyXpRHLn-z_tk3c_HFe0rN9Cl38mg6LkuHrLG-8itm__PfIJ4ZIu2oH0&_nc_ht=scontent.fhlz2-1.fna&oh=6d0d0d368784577a530b04080137c9ca&oe=5E5F4FA0


I actually spent some time and went back and looked through all the articles I could find on Bagdadi's previous deaths. None of which were verified kills. Accounts of him being wounded or seriously wounded yes. No confirmed 100% verifiable kills that I could see.


But yeah when they dump the body in the sea (for some good reasons) it does raise a few questions just like Osama's supposed killing.

I couldnt care either way as long as we dont see pilots getting burned alive on the news or any of that other shit with this clown claiming responsibility who cares?

[oldrider]

American political theatre anyone? :rolleyes:

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[austingtir]

American political theatre anyone? :rolleyes:

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I wouldnt believe that idiot neckbearded baldcell anymore than anybody else.

Half of his "evidence" is total ballony.


The CIA, McCain,Bush, Obama and Hillary all setup ISIS end of story.

Trump still has to tow the line on certain aspects of stuff the military industrial complex or the CIA pushes otherwise they'd of knocked him off already.

The USA is never going to have a president that is totally honest and is being fed totally factual information. That died with Kennedy.

The only way to get back to some semblance of normality is to spinter the CIA into a thousand pieces like Kennedy suggested before he was knocked off.

[sugilite]

The USA is never going to have a president that is totally honest and is being fed totally factual information. That died with Kennedy.


Actually, Kennedy was a liar too. I watched the Vietnam war series, and heard the tapes of what Kennedy was saying in private, then what he was telling the people, and he was lying.
All pollies lie, it is what they do best. Trump has just taken it up a lot of notches.

[austingtir]

Actually, Kennedy was a liar too. I watched the Vietnam war series, and heard the tapes of what Kennedy was saying in private, then what he was telling the people, and he was lying.
All pollies lie, it is what they do best. Trump has just taken it up a lot of notches.

Of course he was but thats as good as its ever going to get.


Right now we have the CIA and FBI lying outright to a sitting president. That to me is a bigger deal than anything else.

[TheDemonLord]

Here's a question - suppose for a Moment that the 'Impeachment' calls turn out to be as credible as the 'Russian interference' Hoax - what then?

I'll state for myself that if the President is successfully impeached, I'll acknowledge it.

But.

Will you do the same? If he doesn't get successfully impeached will you likewise drop your dislike of the President? Will you acknowledge that his supposed 'Crimes' aren't that at all?



I will say this now, I don't think so. I think the moment he beats the Impeachment (and I suspect he will), there will be some other political stunt/tactic thrown out at a convenient time, and all those that went along with the Russian Hoax, are going along with the Impeachment process will also go along with whatever happens next.

[austingtir]

^^ Of course they wont.

I offered all the anti trumpers on this board a perma ban bet and NONE of them took me up on it. NOT ONE OF THEM!!

They are projecting and somehow mentally that makes them feel better inside somehow.

Its pathetic. They dont actually believe a word of what they say because they wont back it up.

[sugilite]

^^ Of course they wont.

I offered all the anti trumpers on this board a perma ban bet and NONE of them took me up on it. NOT ONE OF THEM!!

You want to put a worthless one post profile up against those of us with 1000's of MOTORCYCLE related posts who have been here for years. It is similar to you putting one dollar down and betting it against my $1930
When I offered something more substantial, you initially took it, then ran away like a little girl. You then complained it was too complicated for you to understand - when it in fact was very simple.

[TheDemonLord]

You want to put a worthless one post profile up against those of us with 1000's of MOTORCYCLE related posts who have been here for years. It is similar to you putting one dollar down and betting it against my $1930
When I offered something more substantial, you initially took it, then ran away like a little girl. You then complained it was too complicated for you to understand - when it in fact was very simple.

No need for Bets, how about a Gentleman's agreement - I've stated my position, will you?

[sugilite]

No need for Bets, how about a Gentleman's agreement - I've stated my position, will you?
Does it not come down to if the Republican run senate decides to impeach?

[jasonu]

No need for Bets, how about a Gentleman's agreement - I've stated my position, will you?

I'll bet anyone here it'll be Trump and National as winners in 2020.
KB membership bet???

[austingtir]

Its going to take a brave person to vote against this logic....


https://youtu.be/DfYvCQE1cqE

[sugilite]

I'll bet anyone here it'll be Trump and National as winners in 2020.
KB membership bet???
Not keen on the national one, that is not a bet I would like to take because as far as I'm concerned Jacinda and Labor are doing a shit job of getting things done that they said the would.

[pzkpfw]

Here's a question - suppose for a Moment that the 'Impeachment' calls turn out to be as credible as the 'Russian interference' Hoax - what then?

I'll state for myself that if the President is successfully impeached, I'll acknowledge it.

But.

Will you do the same? If he doesn't get successfully impeached will you likewise drop your dislike of the President? Will you acknowledge that his supposed 'Crimes' aren't that at all?

I will say this now, I don't think so. I think the moment he beats the Impeachment (and I suspect he will), there will be some other political stunt/tactic thrown out at a convenient time, and all those that went along with the Russian Hoax, are going along with the Impeachment process will also go along with whatever happens next.

False dichotomy. If he's impeached, that's a fact you'd have to live with.

But if (and I believe the opposite of you) he beats the impeachment through legitimate means, that doesn't erase all the other crap he's said and done (even if not convicted for any of it).

So no, I won't drop my dislike off him, in your hypothetical. He's a despicable person regardless.

Geez, Obama has not been convicted of anything relevant - can you say that affects your liking or disliking of him?

[austingtir]

False dichotomy. If he's impeached, that's a fact you'd have to live with.

But if (and I believe the opposite of you) he beats the impeachment through legitimate means, that doesn't erase all the other crap he's said and done (even if not convicted for any of it).

So no, I won't drop my dislike off him, in your hypothetical. He's a despicable person regardless.

Geez, Obama has not been convicted of anything relevant - can you say that affects your liking or disliking of him?


Exactly what other crap has he said and done? Its all fake news mate. They've been trying to slander him for 4 years and still have turned up nothing its totally ridiculous and people like you that believe all that shit need to take a long hard look at yourselves!


ALL the evidence points to the entire thing being an outright COUP against a duly elected president.

[TheDemonLord]

False dichotomy. If he's impeached, that's a fact you'd have to live with.

But if (and I believe the opposite of you) he beats the impeachment through legitimate means, that doesn't erase all the other crap he's said and done (even if not convicted for any of it).

So no, I won't drop my dislike off him, in your hypothetical. He's a despicable person regardless.

Geez, Obama has not been convicted of anything relevant - can you say that affects your liking or disliking of him?

Can you quote me as to where I've called Obama a Criminal or accused him of being a Criminal? Or treated him like you treat Trump?

On the whole I'm not very anti-Obama - The critiques I could put to him was his Foreign Policy was lacklustre and his internal policy emboldened the raving Marxist Activists groups, by pandering to the Identity Politics crowd. I could probably nitpick a few more if I really wanted.

Not exactly frothing at the mouth hatred now is it? Certainly not calling him Despicable.



But thank you, you've proved entirely my point: Regardless of what happens, you will still judge him as guilty. So what is the point? After Impeachment you will still clamor for his removal, so there is no point trying to appease you.

You've already decided on the only acceptable verdict.

[TheDemonLord]

Does it not come down to if the Republican run senate decides to impeach?

Well, that is a possibility - however the Republicans haven't exactly been coy about making their dislike of Trump known.


The question will be if whatever evidence is presented, whether it is enough to sway the Senate to Impeach.

If the Evidence is Strong, then they probably will.
If the Evidence is the smoke, mirrors and hurt fee-fees that I suspect it is, then they probably won't.

[pzkpfw]

Can you quote me as to where I've called Obama a Criminal or accused him of being a Criminal? ...

I can't quote you saying something I never claimed you said.


... Or treated him like you treat Trump?

On the whole I'm not very anti-Obama - The critiques I could put to him was his Foreign Policy was lacklustre and his internal policy emboldened the raving Marxist Activists groups, by pandering to the Identity Politics crowd. I could probably nitpick a few more if I really wanted.

Not exactly frothing at the mouth hatred now is it? Certainly not calling him Despicable. ...

The point is, your post implied "no crime = no reason to dislike"; and I was giving a counterpoint with Obama as an example.

Maybe that's not directly applicable to you, by your claim here, but certainly applicable to the core of the Trump supporting crowd.


But thank you, you've proved entirely my point: Regardless of what happens, you will still judge him as guilty. So what is the point? After Impeachment you will still clamor for his removal, so there is no point trying to appease you.

You've already decided on the only acceptable verdict.

You're missing the point again. I did not proclaim him (Trump) guilty of any specific crime, so could not be deciding on the verdict.

In fact I was saying (in opposition to your post implying "no crime = no reason to dislike") that there are other (criminal or not) reasons to (continue to) dislike Trump.

Trump's been dis-likable from the start of his political career. I've seen the videos, I've heard the audio.

[austingtir]

^^
So your just "orange man bad" because the MSM told you so. Just as I thought.


The media has also taught you that Obama can do no wrong because he's black.


There's a theme here but you probably wont get it.

[pzkpfw]

^^
So your just "orange man bad" because the MSM told you so. Just as I thought.


The media has also taught you that Obama can do no wrong because he's black.


There's a theme here but you probably wont get it.

*you're

As in, "you're not worth noticing".

[austingtir]

*you're

As in, "you're not worth noticing".

You must be the 5th one on here to try tell me that and I still dont care, its just easier not to reach over to that key with the pinky finger....

An you always know you won an argument when people revert to being grammar nazis.

[sugilite]

Interesting day in the impeachment process. Colonel Alex Vindman who was listening in on the Ukraine phone call Trump had, confirmed that Trump is guilty of doing the quid pro quo thing - like we did not already know. The Colonels written opening statement is all over the net, except at Fox News it appears. Just sweep that shit under the carpet eh Fox.
Que in austin to accuse Colonel Alex Vindman of being a deep state operative, Russian spy, or closet Democrat :msn-wink:

[austingtir]

Interesting day in the impeachment process. Colonel Alex Vindman who was listening in on the Ukraine phone call Trump had, confirmed that Trump is guilty of doing the quid pro quo thing - like we did not already know. The Colonels written opening statement is all over the net, except at Fox News it appears. Just sweep that shit under the carpet eh Fox.
Que in austin to accuse Colonel Alex Vindman of being a deep state operative, Russian spy, or closet Democrat :msn-wink:

Yep theres something like 3900 liutenant colonels in the US army so do you think it would of been that hard for the deepstate to find one with stage 3 TDS?

[pzkpfw]

You must be the 5th one on here to try tell me that and I still dont care, its just easier not to reach over to that key with the pinky finger....

An you always know you won an argument when people revert to being grammar nazis.

... but you could for "he's" in that same post. As ever, you're full of it.

(It's clear as dogs balls you then deliberately didn't use any in this post.)

Anyway, you never have an argument. You mostly just post memes and echo the Trump talking points like a good little cultist, while claiming you're the one who's not swallowing propaganda.

So I'm not going to engage you on this topic (or any other), just make fun of you once in a while.

[austingtir]

The Swamp Destroyed a 3-Star General. Then Tells Us We Can’t Question a 3-Chin Colonel. Eat Schiff!


https://i.imgur.com/ChNF3hJ.jpg

[pzkpfw]

Interesting day in the impeachment process. Colonel Alex Vindman who was listening in on the Ukraine phone call Trump had, confirmed that Trump is guilty of doing the quid pro quo thing - like we did not already know. The Colonels written opening statement is all over the net, except at Fox News it appears. Just sweep that shit under the carpet eh Fox.
Que in austin to accuse Colonel Alex Vindman of being a deep state operative, Russian spy, or closet Democrat :msn-wink:

Trumps been tweeting, in all caps, to read the transcript.

Of course it's becoming clear, from testimony such as this, that the transcript they released is missing a bunch of words. It'll all become public.

(
The bit I found most fun about the transcript, was the talking heads saying "there's nothing to hide, so we released it".

Which only makes one wonder why Trumps tax returns must remain hidden ...
)

[sugilite]

The Swamp Destroyed a 3-Star General. Then Tells Us We Can’t Question a 3-Chin Colonel. Eat Schiff!


You do realize he was a Trump administration appointee?
Just being hung out to dry for telling the truth, because there is no room for that in Trumps land eh :sleep:

[austingtir]

You do realize he was a Trump administration appointee?
Just being hung out to dry for telling the truth, because there is no room for that in Trumps land eh :sleep:

Maybe they thought he might not have stage 3 TDS? I mean surely you've got to give people the benefit of the doubt?

But then:

https://i.imgur.com/Fegazlm.jpg

https://data.whicdn.com/images/298408474/original.gif

[sugilite]

Maybe they thought he might not have stage 3 TDS? I mean surely you've got to give people the benefit of the doubt?


"Reportedly" - must be true then because it fits your narrative. :rolleyes:

[austingtir]

"Reportedly" - must be true then because it fits your narrative. :rolleyes:

These are Vindmans own words (he's not the smartest cabbage in the patch):

https://i.imgur.com/eW6WzxP.jpg


Theres no agenda to see here folks move along!!

Oh wait:
"Vindman's identical twin brother, Yevgeny, is an attorney on the National Security Council handling ethics issues"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Vindman

How did either of them make it to that rank and or that position without figuring out that the interests of the US come first?


He's literally saying that the Democrats would punish Ukraine for investigating corruption. In other words the Democrats engage in Quid Pro Quo to NOT be investigated!


Cliffs = the democrats are a mess!!!

https://media.giphy.com/media/s3hZZwFRki8r6/giphy.gif

[Berries]

So your just "orange man bad" because the MSM told you so. Just as I thought.


The media has also taught you that Obama can do no wrong because he's black.


There's a theme here but you probably wont get it.
Is it that orange is the new black?

[austingtir]

Is it that orange is the new black?


Yes, yes it is.


I hope the rest of you are taking notes!

[jasonu]

^^
So your just "orange man bad" because the MSM told you so. Just as I thought.


The media has also taught you that Obama can do no wrong because he's black.


There's a theme here but you probably wont get it.

Well be got the Nobel prize for being black so he can't be all that bad...

[sugilite]

These are Vindmans own words (he's not the smartest cabbage in the patch):

https://i.imgur.com/eW6WzxP.jpg


Theres no agenda to see here folks move along!!

He's literally saying that the Democrats would punish Ukraine for investigating corruption. In other words the Democrats engage in Quid Pro Quo to NOT be investigated!

No Austin, he is not saying that at all. You are putting words in his mouth.
I guarantee you, if it were flipped, and the democrats were asking Ukraine to investigate and get dirt on Trump, you would be singing Vindmans praises and hailing him as a true patriot. You not being able to get past the left is wrong, right is correct in every instance is blinding you to the truth.

[TheDemonLord]

I can't quote you saying something I never claimed you said.



The point is, your post implied "no crime = no reason to dislike"; and I was giving a counterpoint with Obama as an example.

Maybe that's not directly applicable to you, by your claim here, but certainly applicable to the core of the Trump supporting crowd.

Okay, fair point - so let us both not ascribe things to each other then?


You're missing the point again. I did not proclaim him (Trump) guilty of any specific crime, so could not be deciding on the verdict.

In fact I was saying (in opposition to your post implying "no crime = no reason to dislike") that there are other (criminal or not) reasons to (continue to) dislike Trump.

Trump's been dis-likable from the start of his political career. I've seen the videos, I've heard the audio.

Let me try a different tack, perhaps I wasn't clear in what I meant - Not liking Trump is fine, that's your right.

Using a dislike of Trump to then spur multiple spurious attempts to get him removed from office simply because you don't like him and can't accept the election result - is not fine.

If after the Impeachment process (if he Wins), you maintain a Dislike of Trump, that's completely okay - but will you accept that he is the Legitimate President and oppose further tactics and politicing to remove him from office? Will you denounce the reports of him that are full of half-truths deliberately omitted, to make him look bad?

If you will not vindicate him if he wins, then what point is there?

[austingtir]

Pretty sure this Pena chap wants to back the current senator from Florida after Trump is done in 2024... LMFAO

Stone cold facts!


https://youtu.be/XMwwq211XZo