The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[Brian d marge]

Apparently whoever sucks hardest and longest wins the required approval - make it this way or it's the highway! :shifty: America first - just after Israel. :corn:



pointing to random face in crowd , that will make em think i give a shit !

Pence , Mr Vatican 2 , Rome London and the District of Columbia//// them the places that one should worry about , Israel is just the playground fiefdom of the the rich used to justify the agenda

April 19th the next big holiday , wonder what they will get up to ,,,,

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[Woodman]

pointing to random face in crowd , that will make em think i give a shit !

Pence , Mr Vatican 2 , Rome London and the District of Columbia//// them the places that one should worry about , Israel is just the playground fiefdom of the the rich used to justify the agenda

April 19th the next big holiday , wonder what they will get up to ,,,,

( this message was brought to you by the tin hat manufacturers milton kynes, proudly sponsoring tin hats since Enki looked on man with favour)


One of us needs to get out more ........

[Brian d marge]

One of us needs to get out more ........
cant , they will get me... I know they are out there waiting ...

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[husaberg]

pointing to random face in crowd , that will make em think i give a shit !

Pence , Mr Vatican 2 , Rome London and the District of Columbia//// them the places that one should worry about , Israel is just the playground fiefdom of the the rich used to justify the agenda

April 19th the next big holiday , wonder what they will get up to ,,,,

( this message was brought to you by the tin hat manufacturers milton kynes, proudly sponsoring tin hats since Enki looked on man with favour)

I think i now know where you got your tin foil from.
It was wrapped arround some erbs.....pounds of it by the sound of it;)

[Brian d marge]

I think i now know where you got your tin foil from.
It was wrapped arround some erbs.....pounds of it by the sound of it;)
I wish
I'm in Japan ... All sorts of kinky shyt can u do

But natural drugs ....oh no
Not good

BTW ... Tis true what I posted and that's not the half of it

But I remember the words of a wise man ....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170328/dfa3ba801de721e1fdf5fba4c035fb5c.gif


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[husaberg]

I wish
I'm in Japan ... All sorts of kinky shyt can u do

But natural drugs ....oh no
Not good

BTW ... Tis true what I posted and that's not the half of it

But I remember the words of a wise man ....https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170328/dfa3ba801de721e1fdf5fba4c035fb5c.gif


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Pretty sure thats been paraphrased down further

You never go Full Katman... (movie reference).
...
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[oldrider]

Opinion? :confused: or fact?

Setting the Stage of the Press-President War:

US ruling ideology and Washington power have become unstuck as never before. A war of opposing certitudes and denunciations is waged day to day between the long-ruling US corporate media and the White House. Both continuously proclaim ringing recriminations of the other’s ‘fake news’. Over months they both portray each other as malevolent liars.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-news-the-unravelling-of-us-empire-from-within/5581878 :corn:

[Grumph]

Opinion? :confused: or fact?

Setting the Stage of the Press-President War:

US ruling ideology and Washington power have become unstuck as never before. A war of opposing certitudes and denunciations is waged day to day between the long-ruling US corporate media and the White House. Both continuously proclaim ringing recriminations of the other’s ‘fake news’. Over months they both portray each other as malevolent liars.



Given that the much maligned MSM is simply playing recorded press conferences and quoting what the dickhead is saying, I think I might have a hint which side is indulging in fake news and alternative facts....Check on Reuters position. Nothing's reported unless it's able to be independently verified.

But as I've said before, it's better than Game of Thrones.

Splendid hyperbole, BTW.

[Ocean1]

Have you looked at voting history over the last say 30 years? How often did any Government in this country gain more than 50% of the total vote?

in 1972 Labour got 48.4% of the total
In 1975 national got 47.6%
In 1978 national got 39.8% Labour got 40.04 - National Governed
In 1981 National got 38.8% Labour got 39% (The Nats Governed - Muldoon)
In 1984 Labour got 42.98%
1987 Labour got 47.9%
In 1990 National got 47.82
1993 National got 35.05%
In 1997 National got 33.87% - Bolger got to run the place - this was the first election under MMP.

Given that there is low turn out - never 100% of voters, you cannot claim in any shape or form, that from 1972 to 1993 ANY Government had majority support of the voters.

So tell me again about how we had a representative democracy under FFP.

You don't need 50% of the votes to be the most popular choice.

And adding some votes from a party none of the primary supporters voted for to make up some arbitrary difference in no way constitutes a representative government.

It's a fucking stupid system.

[Brian d marge]

Opinion? :confused: or fact?

Setting the Stage of the Press-President War:

US ruling ideology and Washington power have become unstuck as never before. A war of opposing certitudes and denunciations is waged day to day between the long-ruling US corporate media and the White House. Both continuously proclaim ringing recriminations of the other’s ‘fake news’. Over months they both portray each other as malevolent liars.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/fake-news-the-unravelling-of-us-empire-from-within/5581878 :corn:
Opinion me thinks
The great unwashed of America , yes... cannon fodder

The power .. and the power centres
I don't know
Rome , England, and DC the 3 big centres of the world
Though
As Spain ranks higher than the queen , not sure about the temple bar and its status , possible our red shield bank is more in favour with rome, who has the power apart from Rome?
Spain , what's that , the house of Aragon ( Anjou ?) And is higher that the saxe-coburg , what other houses have more clout. And as all, well a lot of them , of the US presidents trace back to the Venetian royals? , George the 1st... I think,not in a position to check right now. Why would the centre of power shift to Israel?
A war yes , but a shift in power?
Would the landed families allow that? , Can they allow that?
Also the move by da jermans to move the financial centre to jermany..... is that jerman money coming back to haunt the criminal gangs we call leaders ,
Israel has a lot answer for but it's where and whom you don't see that one must look to find the real movers and shakers. Trump and pence tis but a side show

Just some thoughts with 20 min to go before being released ,,from work.



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[Akzle]

It's an interesting Dilema.

One which I don't think either system solves adequately.

If only we could have benevolent dictators....

vote akzle .

[pritch]

It's a fucking stupid system.

Nah. As one of the people who from time to time change their mind, and thereby change the government, I love it.

[Banditbandit]

Are those figures the percentage of the total of eligible voters or the percentage of people who actually voted?

It's a percentage of the people who actually voted.


You don't need 50% of the votes to be the most popular choice.


True - but then you have a Government that most people did not vote for - exactly your criticism of MMP.



And adding some votes from a party none of the primary supporters voted for to make up some arbitrary difference in no way constitutes a representative government.

It's a fucking stupid system.

But it does - it gives you a Government that most people can go along with - and it stops the extremism of both ends of the political spectrum. Any laws that get passed must be supported by a majority of the MPs and that majority has a majority support of the voters.

[Grumph]

So I see the latest edict from his Trumpness is that the EPA shall cease being active in reducing carbon emissions.

Wonder how long the Paris accord will last now.

Next moves - back to steam on the railways - and a coal fire in every household in America....

[Ocean1]

True - but then you have a Government that most people did not vote for - exactly your criticism of MMP.




But it does - it gives you a Government that most people can go along with - and it stops the extremism of both ends of the political spectrum. Any laws that get passed must be supported by a majority of the MPs and that majority has a majority support of the voters.

So what? It's still the most popular choice.

And no, that's nothing like my criticism of MMP. MMP dosen't give you a government most people want, in most cases the result isn't anything anyone had any ability to either chose or predict. Yet again: the result of MMP is almost always something nobody voted for, so how can you claim it has any sort of majority support?

All it does is mandate fucking stupid, irrelevant trade offs, like "you support us on X issue, (which we don't have any public support for), and we'll support you on this (completely unrelated piece of bullshit) Y issue that you also don't have enough support for". How the fuck is that "representative" of anything but an institutionalised rip off?

[Brian d marge]

Two slaves voting for the same master

Doesn't matter what color ya paint it

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[pritch]

So what? It's still the most popular choice.

And no, that's nothing like my criticism of MMP. MMP dosen't give you a government most people want, in most cases the result isn't anything anyone had any ability to either chose or predict. Yet again: the result of MMP is almost always something nobody voted for, so how can you claim it has any sort of majority support?

All it does is mandate fucking stupid, irrelevant trade offs, like "you support us on X issue, (which we don't have any public support for), and we'll support you on this (completely unrelated piece of bullshit) Y issue that you also don't have enough support for". How the fuck is that "representative" of anything but an institutionalised rip off?

I think you are being too cynical. It became apparent early on that the voters (apart from politicians?) grasped the concept of tactical voting.

As for "representative"? How about Roger Douglas? Voted in by the left and then he subjected the country to an extreme right wing restructuring. Ignoring whether or not the sffects were beneficial, there was no way anybody voted for that.

Later we had Shipley and Richardson who gave us a needless recession while the rest of the world enjoyed a period of prosperity.

FPP is dead and buried and bloody good job. Can we go back to having less MPs now? That gerrymander failed.

[TheDemonLord]

I think you are being too cynical.

Ocean being Cynical?


Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

[Banditbandit]

So what? It's still the most popular choice.



I fail to see how you can make that claim.

If less than 50% of those who turned out to vote supported one party (and less than 100% of voters turned out) how can you claim they are the most popular?

[Zedder]

As for "representative"? How about Roger Douglas? Voted in by the left and then he subjected the country to an extreme right wing restructuring. Ignoring whether or not the sffects were beneficial, there was no way anybody voted for that.

Later we had Shipley and Richardson who gave us a needless recession while the rest of the world enjoyed a period of prosperity.

FPP is dead and buried and bloody good job. Can we go back to having less MPs now? That gerrymander failed.


Subjected the country is right, Douglas didn't even have David Lange's blessing for the restructuring and actually overrode his wishes in most financial matters.

Yes to less MPs. As I understand it, we have 20 too many.

[Ocean1]

I think you are being too cynical. It became apparent early on that the voters (apart from politicians?) grasped the concept of tactical voting.

As for "representative"? How about Roger Douglas? Voted in by the left and then he subjected the country to an extreme right wing restructuring. Ignoring whether or not the sffects were beneficial, there was no way anybody voted for that.

Later we had Shipley and Richardson who gave us a needless recession while the rest of the world enjoyed a period of prosperity.

FPP is dead and buried and bloody good job. Can we go back to having less MPs now? That gerrymander failed.

Nah, all I ever want is for a single political entity, (a predefined group is fine) to offer a coherent set of policies that constitute a viable plan to grow the economy.

And then FUCKING STICK TO IT.

Much as you may not have like previous FPP results you can't ignore the fact that others did. If Douglas hadn't dumped the last of the socialist dogma in favour of open market policies, for example, most economists had us dead in the water.

[Ocean1]

Ocean being Cynical?


Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

Y'know, my dear old mum said that if you don't have anything positive to say about someone then you should shut the fuck up or you'll get a punch in the throat.

At least I seem to remember her saying some shit closely resembling.....

[Ocean1]

I fail to see how you can make that claim.

If less than 50% of those who turned out to vote supported one party (and less than 100% of voters turned out) how can you claim they are the most popular?

It's not that difficult is it?

Why does any party have to get an arbitrary 50% of the vote to be the most popular? That model goes back to previous generations, with just the two parties.

You could have 10 parties, 9 of which average 9.9% of the vote, and the most popular might be fuck all over 10%.

Again, so fucking what?

[Ocean1]

Subjected the country is right, Douglas didn't even have David Lange's blessing for the restructuring and actually overrode his wishes in most financial matters.

Yes to less MPs. As I understand it, we have 20 too many.

Need to get some job-sizing shit involved. Some of the chaff do fuck all productive from one week to the next.

You could start by actually defining the roll ffs...

[Zedder]

Need to get some job-sizing shit involved. Some of the chaff do fuck all productive from one week to the next.

You could start by actually defining the roll ffs...


Yes. Only conventions guide what MPs are expected to do.

[TheDemonLord]

Y'know, my dear old mum said that if you don't have anything positive to say about someone then you should shut the fuck up or you'll get a punch in the throat.

At least I seem to remember her saying some shit closely resembling.....

Who said that being cynical was a Negative?

Hell, in my line of work its practically a job requirement.

[Brian d marge]

Subjected the country is right, Douglas didn't even have David Lange's blessing for the restructuring and actually overrode his wishes in most financial matters.

Yes to less MPs. As I understand it, we have 20 too many.
Small fish swimming in a large pool; , didnt stand a chance.

The trap was set during Muldoons reign, with ( I think ,) Think big or even before that ....

[Brian d marge]

Nah, all I ever want is for a single political entity, (a predefined group is fine) to offer a coherent set of policies that constitute a viable plan to grow the economy.

And then FUCKING STICK TO IT.

Much as you may not have like previous FPP results you can't ignore the fact that others did. If Douglas hadn't dumped the last of the socialist dogma in favour of open market policies, for example, most economists had us dead in the water.

Mashie had a good plan.

[Brian d marge]

Y'know, my dear old mum said that if you don't have anything positive to say about someone then you should shut the fuck up or you'll get a punch in the throat.

At least I seem to remember her saying some shit closely resembling.....

She might have been talking about here dearest begotten .

[Zedder]

Small fish swimming in a large pool; , didnt stand a chance.

The trap was set during Muldoons reign, with ( I think ,) Think big or even before that ....


Muldoon was the opposite to what Roger Douglas was about.

[Brian d marge]

Muldoon was the opposite to what Roger Douglas was about.
Yes. But the trap was set before Douglas

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[Banditbandit]

Nah, all I ever want is for a single political entity, (a predefined group is fine) to offer a coherent set of policies that constitute a viable plan to grow the economy.

And then FUCKING STICK TO IT.


You have high, some would say unrealistic, expectations of politicians





It's not that difficult is it?

Why does any party have to get an arbitrary 50% of the vote to be the most popular? That model goes back to previous generations, with just the two parties.

You could have 10 parties, 9 of which average 9.9% of the vote, and the most popular might be fuck all over 10%.

Again, so fucking what?

Then you have a Government with only 10% support - just as the Greens, with 10% of the vote can, you claim, control the Government. I fail to see the difference.

[Banditbandit]

Small fish swimming in a large pool; , didnt stand a chance.

The trap was set during Muldoons reign, with ( I think ,) Think big or even before that ....


Yeah - but Muldoon was the last of our Socialist Prime Ministers ...

[Ocean1]

You have high, some would say unrealistic, expectations of politicians






Then you have a Government with only 10% support - just as the Greens, with 10% of the vote can, you claim, control the Government. I fail to see the difference.

Nobody thinks my boss's expectations that I do the job he hired me to do is unrealistic.


Obviously. And I'm sick of explaining it.
One last time: a government elected with 10% was actually elected. The greens, as a coalition partner wouldn't be.

[Brian d marge]

Yeah - but Muldoon was the last of our Socialist Prime Ministers ...
Completely agree , but, and I'll have to travel through the old balance sheets or budgets of NZ to find it
Maybe one day!
But the loans were made either before or during the think big
Lots of cheap Arab money was floating around back then ... Loan the money, cheaply,
Oil crisis , Arabs , imf , the banks whomever , raise the interest rates and badda Bing badda boom... We got ya
By the way off u follow our economic plan all will be well. Privatise everything , cause the market knows best ,and we can get our hands on those assets
Everything must make a profit
Oh and we would really look favourably upon you if you let us , you know , install our new five eyes , nuclear powered , computer in your lovely country
Oh and by the way we need to fly a few planes to the South Pole ...
There's a good country .....

As I said , very small fish in big ocean...

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[pritch]

But the loans were made either before or during the think big


Remember the synthetic petrol plant, first in the world. Previously the process had only worked in the lab, nobody had ever done it full size. Muldoon had it built at a cost of $17,000,000,000 IIRC. And I did see the gold embossed leather bound documents. Those dollars were a lot bigger than today's.

When it was finished we had a fully functioning plant that converted natural gas to methanol then converted the methanol to gasoline.

Then the oil price dropped. The Govt panicked and almost paid Fletcher's (?) to take it of their hands. After a brief period it was onsold to Methanex, a Canadian company, who export something approaching 2,500,000 tons of methanol a year.

The methanol to gasoline part of the plant was cut up and sold for scrap.

Think big? Big fuck up.

[Banditbandit]

Nobody thinks my boss's expectations that I do the job he hired me to do is unrealistic.


Obviously. And I'm sick of explaining it.
One last time: a government elected with 10% was actually elected. The greens, as a coalition partner wouldn't be.

Yes, I can see your point of view - I just don't agree .. but hey, that's nothing new.

[Voltaire]

Remember the synthetic petrol plant, first in the world. Previously the process had only worked in the lab, nobody had ever done it full size. Muldoon had it built at a cost of $17,000,000,000 IIRC. And I did see the gold embossed leather bound documents. Those dollars were a lot bigger than today's.

When it was finished we had a fully functioning plant that converted natural gas to methanol then converted the methanol to gasoline.

Then the oil price dropped. The Govt panicked and almost paid Fletcher's (?) to take it of their hands. After a brief period it was onsold to Methanex, a Canadian company, who export something approaching 2,500,000 tons of methanol a year.

The methanol to gasoline part of the plant was cut up and sold for scrap.

Think big? Big fuck up.

I missed out on Think Big Projects, I was working for the Post Office at $7.00 PH...then left to join private enterprise, in less than 2 years the rates were up to $10.00 an hour as Think Big had sucked all the tradies in.
My mate made a goodly amount of money at Marsden Pt and Glenbrook....and ' invested' it in the stock market.
Chase Corporation and the like...lost the lot. Easy come easy go he said.

[Brian d marge]

I missed out on Think Big Projects, I was working for the Post Office at $7.00 PH...then left to join private enterprise, in less than 2 years the rates were up to $10.00 an hour as Think Big had sucked all the tradies in.
My mate made a goodly amount of money at Marsden Pt and Glenbrook....and ' invested' it in the stock market.
Chase Corporation and the like...lost the lot. Easy come easy go he said.
My wife, also was entranced by "think big"

she was also disappointed.

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[jasonu]

Remember the synthetic petrol plant, first in the world. Previously the process had only worked in the lab, nobody had ever done it full size. Muldoon had it built at a cost of $17,000,000,000 IIRC. And I did see the gold embossed leather bound documents. Those dollars were a lot bigger than today's.

When it was finished we had a fully functioning plant that converted natural gas to methanol then converted the methanol to gasoline.

Then the oil price dropped. The Govt panicked and almost paid Fletcher's (?) to take it of their hands. After a brief period it was onsold to Methanex, a Canadian company, who export something approaching 2,500,000 tons of methanol a year.

The methanol to gasoline part of the plant was cut up and sold for scrap.

Think big? Big fuck up.

You really are the biggest after the fact armchair quarterback expert I have ever come across.

[Brian d marge]

You really are the biggest after the fact armchair quarterback expert I have ever come across.
am I not worthy?

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[jasonu]

am I not worthy?

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Not even close.

[Ocean1]

Yes, I can see your point of view - I just don't agree .. but hey, that's nothing new.

It's not a point of view, it's a fact.

And whether you agree with them or otherwise makes not a jot of difference.

[mashman]

Mashie had a good plan.

Oi, what's with the past tense.

[Brian d marge]

Oi, what's with the past tense.
I came along

[Banditbandit]

It's not a point of view, it's a fact.

And whether you agree with them or otherwise makes not a jot of difference.


:rofl: See .. that's exactly what I mean ...

[Brian d marge]

What did I tell you

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Last updated 09:35, April 19 2017


April 30 should be an interesting day for someone !

[pritch]

Not sure where to post this but here will do.

The US right wing lunatic fringe is having some problems. Alex Jones' ex went to the court to get his access to their kids stopped because of his alleged mental instability.
Not a good look for Mr Jones, but his lawyer galloped to the rescue and informed the Judge that Jones' show was all an act. Either way that's a problem.

Bill O'Reilly has been given the arse card from FOX News. It is thought he won't even be allowed back to say goodbye. He'd apparenty signed a new two year contract
worth twenty million a year. He may get to keep a fair chunk of that - if his ex doesn't get it.

[Brian d marge]

Those " ex" es are expensive... Both have their place in life hahha

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[husaberg]

Not sure where to post this but here will do.

The US right wing lunatic fringe is having some problems. Alex Jones' ex went to the court to get his access to their kids stopped because of his alleged mental instability.
Not a good look for Mr Jones, but his lawyer galloped to the rescue and informed the Judge that Jones' show was all an act. Either way that's a problem.

Bill O'Reilly has been given the arse card from FOX News. It is thought he won't even be allowed back to say goodbye. He'd apparenty signed a new two year contract
worth twenty million a year. He may get to keep a fair chunk of that - if his ex doesn't get it.

All i can say is he (might yeah right) be a total nutjob, but not only did she marry him, but she also had children with the loon.

[oldrider]

Interesting little clip?

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[pritch]

You'd think that either way Jones has lost whatever credibility he had. On the other hand he never had much and it didn't bother the believers before so...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/04/22/sandy-hook-truther-alex-jones-asks-for-privacy-in-custody-battle-for-the-sake-of-my-children/?utm_term=.4fc956c46624&wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1

[Brian d marge]

You'd think that either way Jones has lost whatever credibility he had. On the other hand he never had much and it didn't bother the believers before so...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/04/22/sandy-hook-truther-alex-jones-asks-for-privacy-in-custody-battle-for-the-sake-of-my-children/?utm_term=.4fc956c46624&wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1
In the beginning maybe, he did expose Bohemian Grove
But the recent take , with Paul Watson ,
No thank you.
It's ok to push ur preferred politician but some of the anti Muslim retoric coming out of that channel is not good
If it is what his listeners want and it's just business fine , you sow you reap.


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[husaberg]

You'd think that either way Jones has lost whatever credibility he had. On the other hand he never had much and it didn't bother the believers before so...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2017/04/22/sandy-hook-truther-alex-jones-asks-for-privacy-in-custody-battle-for-the-sake-of-my-children/?utm_term=.4fc956c46624&wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1


However, Jones has apologized for promoting one recent conspiracy theory: Jones said a Washington pizza restaurant was the site of a sex-abuse ring operated by Hillary Clinton and her campaign adviser John Podesta that was dubbed “Pizzagate.”
Goes on Michelle obama is actually a man and killled Joan rivers
https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2016/05/joan-rivers-murdered-for-exposing-michelle-obama-as-a-transsexua/
Yet the hypocite says

In his statement on Friday, Jones called the court hearing a “private matter” and urged the media to be “respectful and responsible and to show due deference to the process of the law.”

[Brian d marge]

Goes on Michelle obama is actually a man and killled Joan rivers
https://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2016/05/joan-rivers-murdered-for-exposing-michelle-obama-as-a-transsexua/
Yet the hypocite says

Can't be a hipocrite as he has always been against the press, so instead of telling them to fk off he is asking nicely!

What I find more interesting is that he is a multi million dollar Enterprise

And the family has collapsed

A common trait me thinks .....



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[husaberg]

Can't be a hipocrite as he has always been against the press, so instead of telling them to fk off he is asking nicely!

What I find more interesting is that he is a multi million dollar Enterprise

And the family has collapsed

A common trait me thinks .....



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Yes he is, as you said yourself is he is acting rather different when the situation is him.
He is asking for privacy when he is an attention whore. Who has no issues peddling what is total baseless crap
Considering the scorn he pours on others, that as public figures he considers fair game, such as the unfounded child rape sex ring allegations etc etc .
I sincerely hope he is going to get a taste of his own medicine, this time served up as a suppository

[Brian d marge]

Yes he is, as you said yourself is he is acting rather different when the situation is him.
He is asking for privacy when he is an attention whore. Who has no issues peddling what is total baseless crap
Considering the scorn he pours on others, that as public figures he considers fair game, such as the unfounded child rape sex ring allegations etc etc .
I sincerely hope he is going to get a taste of his own medicine, this time served as a suppository
Buy me a pizza

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[husaberg]

Buy me a pizza

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[Brian d marge]

If my legs get any further apart , there will be a new chapter in the Kamasutra

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[husaberg]

If my legs get any further apart , there will be a new chapter in the Kamasutra

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So ya just knew something fishy was going on..........

[Brian d marge]

So ya just knew something fishy was going on..........
Leave my gf beaver out of this conversation. She is seeing a doctor and says it will be clear in a week

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[husaberg]

Leave my gf beaver out of this conversation. She is seeing a doctor and says it will be clear in a week

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Girlfriend? You see your sushi told me she was married, i feel kind of cheated.
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[oldrider]

Fmr CIA Officer Philip Giraldi: Israel is NOT an Ally of the United States! - You be the judge has Trump changed anything for the better? :scratch:

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This speech was from a few years ago, but remains just as relevant today. Israel spies on us, buys off our politicians, and wages war on our country.

[Grumph]

Listening to Trump speak to the NRA, I'd pick that there's no chance of rational gun control in the US for the forseeable future.

It'd be ironic if he was shot...

[pritch]

Listening to Trump speak to the NRA, I'd pick that there's no chance of rational gun control in the US for the forseeable future.



With Republicans controlling the Presidency and both houses the gun industry is safe. Ironically this may mean hard times for the industry. Every time Obama tried to introduce a gun control measure, however mild, sales went through the roof. In recent years there have been shortages of some types of ammunition, magazines and assault rifles, demand was so high. Whatever was under threat sold like hot cakes.

[Brian d marge]

With Republicans controlling the Presidency and both houses the gun industry is safe. Ironically this may mean hard times for the industry. Every time Obama tried to introduce a gun control measure, however mild, sales went through the roof. In recent years there have been shortages of some types of ammunition, magazines and assault rifles, demand was so high. Whatever was under threat sold like hot cakes.
I make my own
Cheaper and I'm getting better at it

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[pete376403]

Listening to Trump speak to the NRA, I'd pick that there's no chance of rational gun control in the US for the forseeable future.

It'd be ironic if he was shot...

Ironic? I think it is inevitable.

[oldrider]

Why they (Israel) want Trump to team up with the Russians!:- http://www.timesofisrael.com/israels-intelligence-minister-urges-us-to-team-up-with-russia-against-iran/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter :corn:

Meanwhile while we make these new arrangements - look over there at North Korea! - diversion? - (By deception make war?) :innocent:

[Brian d marge]

Ironic? I think it is inevitable.
Le,pen is also starting to look over her shoulder

Look at what she wants to do with Frances money

She may be " one of the boys" but they don't like it when u start taking back control of ur currency

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[pritch]

Ironic? I think it is inevitable.

What was ironic was that when Trump gave that speech to the NRA there was a "no guns allowed" policy in place.

[Woodman]

How can anyone fix the gun problem in the US? It is basically unfixable.

[Brian d marge]

I don't care what America is doing , you should see the advertisement, I get on this thread , yes please , where do I sign up !!!!

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[Laava]

Ironic? I think it is inevitable.

Celebrate good times, c'mon!

[oldrider]

Interesting little clip just popped up out there - what could it mean? - if anything! :confused:

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[oldrider]

Is Trump Suffering from “WMD-Ophobia”? Leading Psychiatrists Express Concern at President’s “Dangerousness”, “Instability” and “Unpredictability” :- http://www.globalresearch.ca/is-trump-suffering-from-wmd-ophobia-leading-psychiatrists-express-concern-at-presidents-dangerousness-instability-and-unpredictability/5587326 :rolleyes: Is a straight-jacket required just for Trump or the whole nation? :scratch:

[pritch]

I see on the news tonight that in his meeting with the Ausie PM, Trump said that the USA and Australia had been allies for 99 years. Far be it from me to be pedantic (much!) but if the USA entered WW! in 1916 (ooops) - which they did. (Late again.) That'd be 101 years wouldn't it?

Not altogether sure we can blame Trump for that, at least one of his advisors might be as ignorant as he is.

[jasonu]

I see on the news tonight that in his meeting with the Ausie PM, Trump said that the USA and Australia had been allies for 99 years. Far be it from me to be pedantic (much!) but if the USA entered WW! in 2016 - which they did. (Late again.) That'd be 101 years wouldn't it?

Not altogether sure we can blame Trump for that, at least one of his advisors might be as ignorant as he is.

If the USA entered WW1 in 2016 they would have been way late.
Maybe you should apply for a White House adviser position, you seem well qualified.

[husaberg]

I see on the news tonight that in his meeting with the Ausie PM, Trump said that the USA and Australia had been allies for 99 years. Far be it from me to be pedantic (much!) but if the USA entered WW! in 2016 - which they did. (Late again.) That'd be 101 years wouldn't it?

Not altogether sure we can blame Trump for that, at least one of his advisors might be as ignorant as he is.


If the USA entered WW1 in 2016 they would have been way late.
Maybe you should apply for a White House adviser position, you seem well qualified.

you do have a point.

The United States declared war on Germany on April 6, 1917,
American soldiers under General John Pershing, Commander-in-Chief (C-in-C) of the American Expeditionary Force (AEF), arrived in large numbers on the Western Front in the summer of 1918

Anyone else get sick of bailing out the ther surrender monkey frogs.

[oldrider]

Is Trump Really President?:- http://www.globalresearch.ca/is-trump-really-president/5588718?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles :scratch:

[pritch]

If the USA entered WW1 in 2016 they would have been way late.


Interesting. I have a Colt commemorative belt buckle which is marked "made from shell casings from the 1916/18 war'.

Wikipedia says war was declared in April 1917.

Either way it's before my time, but it's still not 99 years.

[oldrider]

Ernie Gallo: The U.S.S Liberty: what really happened? What did not?

Published on 5 Apr 2014

Presentation at the National Summit to Reassess the U.S.-Israel "Special Relationship" on March 7, 2014 at the National Press Club.

Now the US relationship with Israel is even more special under Trump! - America or Israel first? :rolleyes:

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[Voltaire]

you do have a point.


Anyone else get sick of bailing out the ther surrender monkey frogs.

tell that to the thousands of French buried at Gallipoli.

[husaberg]

tell that to the thousands of French buried at Gallipoli.

I am not sure they would hear me or understand me even if i said in in French.
At least the Dardanelle was on their own continent.

[Voltaire]

I am not sure they would hear me or understand me even if i said in in French.
At least the Dardanelle was on their own continent.

I wonder what the French made of the Brits saying Tally ho chaps we're heading back to blighty in 1940, Matilda is no match for the PZ1V's.

[husaberg]

I wonder what the French made of the Brits saying Tally ho chaps we're heading back to blighty in 1940, Matilda is no match for the PZ1V's.

They were too busy being evacuated themselves, remember it was not only the british expaditionary force that was evacuated at Dunkirk.
It was a silly idea to build a wall defence that was easy to skirt arround
More the point was how peeved they were when the brits blew up their warships to stop the germans getting hold of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Mers-el-K%C3%A9bir
Never knew the frogs bombed Gibraltar in retaliation

[oldrider]

It's all here the confession of the orange snake:- http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/08/trumpsnake/ :corn:

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America? - “You knew damn well I was a snake before you took me in"!

[Brian d marge]

They were too busy being evacuated themselves, remember it was not only the british expaditionary force that was evacuated at Dunkirk.
It was a silly idea to build a wall defence that was easy to skirt arround
More the point was how peeved they were when the brits blew up their warships to stop the germans getting hold of them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attack_on_Mers-el-K%C3%A9bir
Never knew the frogs bombed Gibraltar in retaliation
That's right , 2 cruisers trapped in harbour , given a warning the got a bit of British right up em

They don't like it up em they don't

But it's zem jermans that are making me think

Some of the stuff they were working on ,forget the V2 , these boys had TV guided bombs ,

Look at the ratio of ruskie dead to German, 20 to one possibly more on the Russian front

Rumour has it they da Germans were using fuel air bombs

So the boys had the tech, and Nuremberg was a farcical show

So where is that tech now , who has it or knowledge of it and if they did persue that knowledge, then that would make a nuclear bomb look like a firecracker

And while I am thinking out loud , 9/11 that building was pulverized into dust bombs or planes or thermite don't turn stuff into dust
IMHO
And just how do 322 reindeer go to reindeer heaven , from lightning
Yeah right

No I'm beginning to think some one. ( Not a country or religion ) but someone has a big boom boom

And have given some subtle warnings

Someone somewhere is up to no good, money has to be be paid back and warnings were given

Imho



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[husaberg]

That's right , 2 cruisers trapped in harbour , given a warning the got a bit of British right up em

They don't like it up em they don't

But it's zem jermans that are making me think

Some of the stuff they were working on ,forget the V2 , these boys had TV guided bombs ,

Look at the ratio of ruskie dead to German, 20 to one possibly more on the Russian front

Rumour has it they da Germans were using fuel air bombs

So the boys had the tech, and Nuremberg was a farcical show

So where is that tech now , who has it or knowledge of it and if they did persue that knowledge, then that would make a nuclear bomb look like a firecracker

And while I am thinking out loud , 9/11 that building was pulverized into dust bombs or planes or thermite don't turn stuff into dust
IMHO
And just how do 322 reindeer go to reindeer heaven , from lightning
Yeah right

No I'm beginning to think some one. ( Not a country or religion ) but someone has a big boom boom

And have given some subtle warnings

Someone somewhere is up to no good, money has to be be paid back and warnings were given

Imho



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So who did mr hitler think he was kidding.
The Poms had to do something because the Frogs had a huge navy, second only to the POms in that part of the world.
I knew about the guided bombs, but they were not used much, couldn't see though cloud or smoke plus the Jerry's never really had any stategic long range heavy bombers.
Its a waste of time concentrating on having the most technological weapons, if this results in a waste of resourses meaning you can't produce them in sufficent numbers or repair them.
The Sherman vs the King Tiger is a great example, the Jerry one might have be 4 times as good, but the Yanks were able to produce them at a 100:1 better ratio.
I watched something on the A10 warthog the other day it seems the design brief was laid out by the most succesfull German stuka pliot
That plane is still being used now and has never been bettered.

[Brian d marge]

I knew about the guided bombs but they were not used much plus the Jerry's never really had any stategic long range heavy bombers.
Its a waste of time concentrating on having the most technological weapons if this result in a waste of resourses meaning you can't produce them in sufficent numbers or repair them.
The Sherman vs the King Tiger is a great example the jerman one might have be 4 times as good but the americans ewere able to produce them at a 100:1 better ratio.
Agreed , look at the ruskkies thank t34, ? Banged out of the factory at a fair old clip , rough ready and lots of em
Dem jermans had a massive tank , so big it couldnt get over the bridges

But look at the thinking , the west incl Britain , the Matilda , one step up from the horse

The jermans ...Lazer guided sharks , well they were heading down that path

So with that kinda out there thinking , what have they or someone who gotta hold of that knowledge , what do they have now

The nuclear power is a deterrent. Bob can nuke me as much as I can nuke him so I better be nice

But what if bob has got something better than a nuke , something which is better for the user ( a nuke ain't , ya use it and that does it for the area and the infrastructure for a few years at least))

Just a thought





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[husaberg]

Agreed , look at the ruskkies thank t34, ? Banged out of the factory at a fair old clip , rough ready and lots of em
Dem jermans had a massive tank , so big it couldnt get over the bridges

But look at the thinking , the west incl Britain , the Matilda , one step up from the horse

The jermans ...Lazer guided sharks , well they were heading down that path

So with that kinda out there thinking , what have they or someone who gotta hold of that knowledge , what do they have now

The nuclear power is a deterrent. Bob can nuke me as much as I can nuke him so I better be nice

But what if bob has got something better than a nuke , something which is better for the user ( a nuke ain't , ya use it and that does it for the area and the infrastructure for a few years at least))

Just a thought

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Cobalt bomb
electron bomb
https://khinalithefashionprincess.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/collagedvisdg.jpg

[pete376403]

neutron bomb (not the pointer sisters song) was supposed to kill all the people but leave most of the infrastructure standing IIRC. was banned as unsporting

[oldrider]

Nuclear warfare has no winners it is just used to frighten people so that they are easier to manage and control - they (people) are the real weapon! :shifty:

[Grumph]

I see Trump's just fired FBI Director James Comey - who was running the investigation into his Russian connections....

The man is pushing the envelope....Shades of Nixon and Watergate.

[Brian d marge]

Cobalt bomb
electron bomb
https://khinalithefashionprincess.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/collagedvisdg.jpg
Ahh Olivia neutron bomb

Destroyed many a young man

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[Zedder]

I see Trump's just fired FBI Director James Comey - who was running the investigation into his Russian connections....

The man is pushing the envelope....Shades of Nixon and Watergate.


Apparently Comey thought it was a joke at first:http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11853153

The situation just gets more bizarre every day.

[oldrider]

See any parallels in Trump's circus and what this video clip is claiming? - judge for yourself! :scratch:

Bibi Netanyahu received 20 standing ovations from the USA congress - ever wonder WHY? :confused:

Trump's address to AIPAC prior to election was a major suck up to behold! - ever wonder why? :corn: Are his current actions similar to the claims in this clip? :rolleyes:

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[pritch]

....Shades of Nixon and Watergate.

That's unkind to Nixon.

Interestingly Comey was fired allegedly on the advice of Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III, the Attorney General, who supposedly recused himself from the investigation into the Russian connection. It appears to have been done at short notice, the letter was delivered to the FBI by Trump's personal bodyguard which is not business as usual. The bodyguard is not a government employee.

Ivanka Trump's in laws are in China selling $500,000 immigration applications and soliciting Chinese investment in real estate. Some or all of the press were excluded, because the family didn't like the story that would be printed. There was a screen shot from the presentation which apparently stated (in Mandarin) that the chief decision maker in the investment programme was Donald Trump. His photo was prominently displayed.

There are a number of laws being broken but the Republicans control both the House and the Senate so the chances of anything happening are remote. As yet.

[Grumph]

That's unkind to Nixon.

Interestingly Comey was fired allegedly on the advice of Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III, the Attorney General, who supposedly recused himself from the investigation into the Russian connection. It appears to have been done at short notice, the letter was delivered to the FBI by Trump's personal bodyguard which is not business as usual. The bodyguard is not a government employee.

Ivanka Trump's in laws are in China selling $500,000 immigration applications and soliciting Chinese investment in real estate. Some or all of the press were excluded, because the family didn't like the story that would be printed. There was a screen shot from the presentation which apparently stated (in Mandarin) that the chief decision maker in the investment programme was Donald Trump. His photo was prominently displayed.

There are a number of laws being broken but the Republicans control both the House and the Senate so the chances of anything happening are remote. As yet.

Yes, as has been described elsewhere, the Republicans are trying to slow-walk it through the house investigation to gain time. But given the internet and every news organisation in the world is looking at it too, they may well be last to the party. This firing is another delaying tactic.
I like what one commentator said this morning - Nixon is defined by the statement "I am not a crook" - Trump may well be defined with "I am a crook - deal with it" At least Nixon appears to have simply wanted power - this prick is lining his and his families nests as hard as he can.

[pritch]

Interestingly when Trump met with the Russians at the Whitehouse yesterday there were no press or TV allowed. Later there were photos supplied by TASS, the Russian news agency.

I see that it has been asked if it was a good idea to let Russian government cameramen with all their cameras and equipment into the Oval Office?
A fromer Deputy Director of the CIA responded, "No, it was not."

[Katman]

I find it highly amusing that people are still focusing on whether there was any Russian inference in the American election process - while completely ignoring America's repeated covert interference over the last 5 or 6 decades in the governance of countries all around the world.

[Brian d marge]

As I said at the beginning, Trump using his own money
I said it was a good business call, invest up front , and plunder if u get in. Half way through he got other people's money , even better.
Tax rates will drop,. His business interests will suffer from a lack of interference....
All sweet as


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[pritch]

I find it highly amusing that people are still focusing on whether there was any Russian inference in the American election process - while completely ignoring America's repeated covert interference over the last 5 or 6 decades in the governance of countries all around the world.

You must be using the wrong news sources, there have been many US news items have acknowledged the inherent irony in all of this. Some have included detailed lists of countries where the USA used covert, or even overt military force, to ensure a friendly (to them) political outcome.

Still, if Trump was using Russian funds or influence that does need to be dealt with unless he can shut it down...

First item on the charge sheet will read, "Obstruction of justice". Same as Nixon's did.

[husaberg]

I find it highly amusing that people are still focusing on whether there was any Russian inference in the American election process - while completely ignoring America's repeated covert interference over the last 5 or 6 decades in the governance of countries all around the world.

Not half as amusing as you constantly going on about corruption, political and military interventions Yet never once ever mentioning Russia.

[oldrider]

Claims to answer that old chestnut - cui bono? (Who Benefits?)

Who actually does run America and the world? :scratch: Was the election actually necessary because apparently nothing has changed! :oi-grr:

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[Katman]

Claims to answer that old chestnut - cui bono? (Who Benefits?)

What a great video.

Probably the most concise summary of today's situation yet presented.

And it's precisely how the investigation of a crime should be conducted.

[Banditbandit]

Interestingly when Trump met with the Russians at the Whitehouse yesterday there were no press or TV allowed. Later there were photos supplied by TASS, the Russian news agency.

I see that it has been asked if it was a good idea to let Russian government cameramen with all their cameras and equipment into the Oval Office?
A fromer Deputy Director of the CIA responded, "No, it was not."


There are several fictional stories about a Russian sleeper agent that was planted in the USA as a child pre-WWII.

Given the time frame that Trump's family moved to the USA these stories are becoming more and more plausible.

[oldrider]

Which version of truth is peddled by or omitted by Main stream media etc? - Be your own judge! - Interesting comparisons? :corn:

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[pritch]

Np previous president would have even had Russians in the oval office, much less a camera crew with loads of equipment. Now this:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_trumpintel-0504pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.8a5ef0845aee

[Banditbandit]

Np previous president would have even had Russians in the oval office, much less a camera crew with loads of equipment. Now this:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_trumpintel-0504pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.8a5ef0845aee

And this is what Trump accused Hilary of - endangering the lives of "security assets".

[oldrider]

Np previous president would have even had Russians in the oval office, much less a camera crew with loads of equipment. Now this:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-banner-main_trumpintel-0504pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.8a5ef0845aee


And this is what Trump accused Hilary of - endangering the lives of "security assets".

My criminals are more legitimate than your criminals and the people picked me! - Nah na nah na nah! :rolleyes: Only in America! (Or should that be Israel?) :wait:

[oldrider]

Very interesting news? :yes: http://victuruslibertas.com/2017/05/did-trump-accidentally-save-the-world/ Real world terrorists being exposed at last? :corn:

[Oakie]

I've bottled it up long enough and now I have to have my PETTY rant to get it off my chest.

I hate the fact that Trump returns salutes of the military. Not only is he not in uniform and has never served, but his daddy's doctor gave him a medical deferment to avoid the draft in the Vietnam War.

There are more important things to worry about with this man but this small thing really annoys me.

[Grumph]

They salute the office not the man...Pretty sure I read during the Bush era that most of the White House detatchment were known to mutter, shall we say, rude things under their breath while saluting. Doubt if it's got any better...

I see he's reported as telling the Russians that firing Comey - the "nut job" - has eased the pressure on him.....

[Oakie]

I don't mind him receiving salutes. That is protocol. It's his saluting back that burns my arse. (Is Hitcher still around?)

[oldrider]

American military minds are really brainwashed idiots! http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-18/russian-obsession-goes-back-decades

Trump must be starting to realise by now - he is not the real POTUS! :rolleyes: Well he might after his visit to Israel. :laugh:

[admenk]

I don't mind him receiving salutes. That is protocol. It's his saluting back that burns my arse. (Is Hitcher still around?)

Presumably, in the "land of the free", you can do what you like...:innocent:

As a matter of interest, why does it annoy you so much?

[pritch]

I don't mind him receiving salutes. That is protocol. It's his saluting back that burns my arse. (Is Hitcher still around?)

Know what you mean, seeing someone salute while not wearing a hat grates with me. But hey, it's the USA.

When Obama was in the hot seat there was uproar because on one occasion he did not salute the guard when boarding Marine 1. So I guess the Prez, whoever it is, is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't.

The story about Obama not saluting may have been "fake news" anyway, but it kept the biggots busy for a while.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np7lObaDiBk

[Katman]

The story about Obama not saluting may have been fake news anyway, but it kept the biggots busy for a while.

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You're welcome.

[pritch]

You're welcome.

It's like there's an echo in here? I'd guess that a handshake outranks a salute.

[Brian d marge]

American military minds are really brainwashed idiots! http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-18/russian-obsession-goes-back-decades

Trump must be starting to realise by now - he is not the real POTUS! :rolleyes: Well he might after his visit to Israel. :laugh:

The plan to set Israel against the Muslims is going to plan, ( August 2017?)

Someone somewhere has the means to influence. The neocons tend towards Zion, the military or at least the weapons research industry are Nazis.and many in trumps and surrounding trump are Jesuits. They ALL are kabbalahistic satanists.

I dont think they are brainwashed at the higher levels , I do think they follow a plan. which is bordering on military precision. While we aint in the club so will never know , ( I suspect they are 50 years possibly 100 years advanced in technology. Than what they tell us.) They DO leave markers , flags that cannot be hidden. ( hows that magic bullet for example)

i have some questions , wheres the money.? The Nazis and the Japanese hid a ton of gold and assets , after the war . The marshal plan was just money laundering , so where is that money now? its either in a bank or spent , what bank and /or what was ,is it being spent on?

Russia , was broke in 1991. now they are putting naval bases in Venezuela and America says nothing , bombing Isis and America says nothing?

Germany ? sitting in the middle of Europe with very high tech ( nuclear ) industry trying to move the financial base from London to Frankfurt . setting themselves up for the death of the dollar, ( the petro dollar is dead , and countries such as Mexico and Greece are heading into a " crackup boom" ( Google Austrian school crack up boom). How will America payback debt in a non dollar economy ,? a gold rush ?

WTF are these arsehats up to ? ATM , 1984 is looking like a very good playbook. !

Either way, Someone needs money ( for research weapons tech) , someone has a big weapon ( some sort of non nuclear frequency weapon) , and All of them are satanic psychopaths

Trump and Israel are just pawns in the game .
( stands back and takes off tinfoil hat due to overheating )

[Moi]

I don't mind him receiving salutes. That is protocol. It's his saluting back that burns my arse. (Is Hitcher still around?)

The "President" - doesn't matter who holds that "office" - is the head of the military and so as a more senior officer is saluted and salutes in return... shall we say the "office" returns the salute.

[jim.cox]

The New York Times has published an interesting analysis (http://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/opinion/trump-classified-data.html) of Trump's personality suggesting, with evidence, that he is just a like seven year old

[Oakie]

As a matter of interest, why does it annoy you so much?

I really don't know. I think because it is a military protocol which I don't think he has the right to use. I'm not even ex-military myself so It's not like it's personal to me. Just one of those things.

[Brian d marge]

The "President" - doesn't matter who holds that "office" - is the head of the military and so as a more senior officer is saluted and salutes in return... shall we say the "office" returns the salute.

Thats very true , look at who the queen curtsey's to , you will be surprised . but the heraldry tells you all!]

[Katman]

I really don't know.

Too many vaccines have rotted your brain.

[Brian d marge]

The New York Times has published an interesting analysis (http://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/15/opinion/trump-classified-data.html) of Trump's personality suggesting, with evidence, that he is just a like seven year old
The farmer sending a letter to the turkeys saying Xmas will be jolly

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[Oakie]

Too many vaccines have rotted your brain.

Nah. I've been vaccinated against brain-rot!

[Moi]

The "President" - doesn't matter who holds that "office" - is the head of the military and so as a more senior officer is saluted and salutes in return... shall we say the "office" returns the salute.

According to this from The Florida Times Union (http://jacksonville.com/reason/fact-check/2016-04-15/story/fact-check-obama-reagan-and-should-presidents-return-salutes), Ronald Reagan is responsible for the President returning the salute... made for interesting reading...

Here's another piece (http://anewdomain.net/us-president-allowed-salute-nope-heres/) that explains the protocol...

[oldrider]

‘Sucking up to Saudis is long US tradition, every president does it’ - ? https://www.rt.com/op-edge/389051-trump-visit-saudi-arabia/?utm_source=spotim&utm_medium=spotim_recirculation&spotim_referrer=recirculation&spot_im_comment_id=sp_6phY2k0C_389051_c_hXCrEO Getting ready for the war on Iran? - Interesting. :corn:

Or will the Saudis simply supply ISIS with all the latest weapons? - or maybe even both! :scratch:

[Katman]

Fuck America and all the whores that follow them unquestioningly into war.

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[oldrider]

NEO – America Descends into Madness: http://www.veteranstoday.com/2017/05/26/neo-america-descends-into-madness/ -- :corn:

[oldrider]

Robert David Steele #UNRIG - We The People - Unity for Integrity :wait:

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[oldrider]

Making sense of Trump: 10 things every pro-lifer needs to know :- https://www.lifesitenews.com/blogs/trump-presidency-has-been-crazy-so-far-and-who-knows-where-it-will-end :rolleyes: Donald has surely got them guessing! :scratch:

[Banditbandit]

Pathetic little child ...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m99y_NBsHp4

[pritch]

This is the cover of a German magazine. It reads Earth to Trump

[oldrider]

Donald's address to AIPAC. :wait: - So how's he going so far? :confused:

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[Voltaire]

Has the man said anything intelligent since being elected?

[Oakie]

Has the man said anything intelligent since being elected?

About as much as he said beforehand.

[oldrider]

The note Donald left at the wall. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBfRh9SUAAERe9L.jpg :shifty:

[oldrider]

The Coup, Then and Now - The Enemies of Humanity Try to Give Trump the JFK Treatment:- http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/47183.htm :corn: Interesting!

[oldrider]

Dare to take the time to look at this whole video - it may challenge your beliefs and what you believe to be the truth? :scratch: . Interesting? - You be the judge. :shifty:

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[oldrider]

That forgotten little war continues https://twitter.com/YemenPostNews (scroll down and see just what a threat these people are to Saudi Arabia)

Like Saudi Arabia needed more arms and ammunition since depleting them in Yemen - thanks to Donald Trump Bibi Netanyahu and the blind eyed United Nations!

Where the fuck is justice in this depraved world? :sick: Nobody - especially MSM seem to care about this slaughter destruction and mayhem! :brick: FFS!

[pritch]

Our old mate Alex Jones had a recent guest on "Info Wars" who explained how NASA are kidnapping children and taking them to Mars as slave labour where their organs and bone marrow are then harvested. Apparently the USA is so fucked up now that NASA actually felt compelled to issue a denial. :gob:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5mFJ45ju5k

[oldrider]

Thought some might enjoy this - I thought it was quite neat :lol:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD-n1bAXkAAtY2n.jpg:large

[YellowDog]

It's like they're in the same band :lol:

[pete376403]

http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/australian-reporter-demolishes-trump-after-g20-biggest-threat-to-the-west/ar-BBE2Zo4?li=AAaUOAg&ocid=ientp

e.g. “[He is] a man who barks out bile in 140 characters, who wastes his precious days as president at war with the west’s institutions like the judiciary, independent government agencies and the free press.”

[oldrider]

Demoralization, Destabilization, Insurgency, Normalization https://mcalvanyintelligenceadvisor.com/demoralization-destabilization-insurgency-normalization - A revealing interview? True or false? :scratch:

Time to get off the bus - it's not going to stop so take the risk and jump while you still can.

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[pritch]

Trump was talking about his beautiful solar powered wall and saying it had to be transparent otherwise people on the USA side might be hit by sacks of drugs flying over the wall. Which rates up there with his best unhinged comments, but there had been an item on CNN about a catapult that had been used to throw drugs across the wall.
Which in itself is interesting, because he says CNN is fake news and he doesn't watch it.

Trump though is not the only leader a few sheep short in the top paddock. Malcolm Turnbull talking about Australia forcing Facebook, Google and all to let the police and others access encrypted content said, "The laws of mathematics are very commendable but the only law that applies in Australia is the law of Australia”. And thus Turnbull gained instant world wide fame.

[oldrider]

Cracks appearing in the NIST 9/11 narrative why is it taking so long? - fear, disbelief and American patriotism are a hard combination to crack! - Part of the plan? :yes:

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[puddytat]

Fuckwit......

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[oldrider]

Who Started the Six Day War of June 1967? https://israelpalestinenews.org/started-six-day-war-june-1967/ an interesting read - for those who might be interested. :niceone:

[oldrider]

Fmr. Congressional staffer confirms “thermonuclear device” detonated at WTC on 9/11: https://www.intellihub.com/fmr-wh-staffer-says-thermonuclear-devices-detonated-at-wtc-on-911/ :scratch:

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[oldrider]

Puerto Ricans are American citizens!

So why isn't the U.S. government doing more to help in the aftermath of Hurricane Maria? https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/912384227127070720

Question for Google: How much taxpayer money does USA government give to Israel each year? - $38+ billion! - Making America great again? - "really"? :scratch:

[pritch]

Trump has said that he has spoken to the president of the US Virgin Islands about the situation there following hurricane Maria. Interesting, the president of the US Virgin Islands is Donald Trump.

Meanwhile the people in Puerto Rico are now dying of water borne diseases, some from leptospirosis. Common here, an occupational hazard for dairy farmers I guess, New Zealanders get sick but others, like people from the UK and apparently Puerto Rico die of it.

The huge hospital ship "Comfort" has reached Puerto Rico but is apparently doing next to nothing. 0 points for organisational skills on somebody's part.

[oldrider]

“WIPED OFF THE MAP” – The Rumour (Deception?) of the Century? :yes:

"Across the world, a dangerous rumour has spread that could have catastrophic implications. According to legend, Iran’s President has threatened to destroy Israel, or, to quote the misquote, “Israel must be wiped off the map”. Contrary to popular belief, this statement was never made, as the following article will prove."

http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/?p=5966 - (very) Interesting for those who may be interested! (or not) :corn:

Very current Netanyahu / Trump propaganda tool used via MSM etc against Iran at every opportunity, has no basis of fact! :oi-grr:

[jasonu]

Trump has said that he has spoken to the president of the US Virgin Islands about the situation there following hurricane Maria. Interesting, the president of the US Virgin Islands is Donald Trump.

Meanwhile the people in Puerto Rico are now dying of water borne diseases, some from leptospirosis. Common here, an occupational hazard for dairy farmers I guess, New Zealanders get sick but others, like people from the UK and apparently Puerto Rico die of it.

The huge hospital ship "Comfort" has reached Puerto Rico but is apparently doing next to nothing. 0 points for organisational skills on somebody's part.

Stop reading the Herald.

[husaberg]

Meanwhile the people in Puerto Rico are now dying of water borne diseases, some from leptospirosis. Common here, an occupational hazard for dairy farmers I guess, New Zealanders get sick but others, like people from the UK and apparently Puerto Rico die of it.
.

Not just dairy farmers, pig farmers meat workers as well you can get it from exposure to rat droppings ie house crawl spaces.
You might not die from red water fever (ie lepto) but you might wish you would do at times.
It floored Steve Gurney for a year or so.
Its very under disagnosed in NZ as it presents with severe flu symtoms. Not always with the classic textbook red eyes.

[oldrider]

According to this, he is right on cue as POTUS go:- :blip:

Trump Has Killed More Civilians with Illegal Drone Strikes in 9 Months Than Obama Did in 8 Years https://www.activistpost.com/2017/10/trump-killed-civilians-illegal-drone-strikes-9-months-obama-8-years.html :corn:

[James Deuce]

According to this, he is right on cue as POTUS go:- :blip:

Trump Has Killed More Civilians with Illegal Drone Strikes in 9 Months Than Obama Did in 8 Years https://www.activistpost.com/2017/10/trump-killed-civilians-illegal-drone-strikes-9-months-obama-8-years.html :corn:

And Obama ramped up significantly on Dubya. Don't fall for Obama being black Jesus. He was the instrument of corporate economic policy, just like every other POTUS, post-Eisenhower.

[oldrider]

Had to read this to believe it was true! http://thefreethoughtproject.com/hurricane-harvey-israel-pledge/ - makin "America"? great again? :scratch: Really?

[Berries]

Had to read this to believe it was true! http://thefreethoughtproject.com/hurricane-harvey-israel-pledge/ - makin "America"? great again? :scratch: Really?
So how do you boycott Israel? I'm not going to get my son circumcised if that counts.

[oldrider]

So how do you boycott Israel? I'm not going to get my son circumcised if that counts.

Yeah that should do it! :lol:

[pritch]

Wot a lovely start to the day. Opened Twitter to see multiple reports that Trump has been enquiring of Whitehouse staff about the process required for his resignation.

He recently arrived in Hawaii to some protests. Many of the protesters were holding signs saying, "Welcome to Kenya". Love it!

[Katman]

Wot a lovely start to the day. Opened Twitter to see multiple reports that Trump has been enquiring of Whitehouse staff about the process required for his resignation.

And if he does it will usher in the era of Mike Pence - arguably an even more dangerous option.

I can't help but wonder whether it was the plan all along.

Give the people a buffoon for a year and they'll soon welcome any replacement - regardless of how toxic that replacement might be.

[pritch]

And if he does it will usher in the era of Mike Pence - arguably an even more dangerous option.


It's true that Pence can be considered a radical fundamentalist Christian, but he does at least know some stuff and can apparently form a cohesive sentence.

On MSNBC last night one of the Russian women in the group Pussy Riot said she was not bothering to learn any more English, she already knows more words than Trump.

[Katman]

......but he does at least know some stuff and can apparently form a cohesive sentence.

So too have a great many despots.

[Graystone]

And if he does it will usher in the era of Mike Pence - arguably an even more dangerous option.

I can't help but wonder whether it was the plan all along.

Give the people a buffoon for a year and they'll soon welcome any replacement - regardless of how toxic that replacement might be.

I'm thinking it's not just one plan, the GOP just wanted back in control, by whatever means necessary. Vlad just wanted to cause a ruckus. Both got their way, though I don't think the collusion goes much (if any) deeper than trump himself in terms of the GOP.

I don't have too much sympathy though, since they were fool enough to vote trump in, it really is a case of the people getting what they deserve.

[yokel]

Major Clinton campaign donor arrested.
Lord emperor Trump just keeps wining and winning.....


https://youtu.be/s2z8WgSUkWc

[Woodman]

And if he does it will usher in the era of Mike Pence - arguably an even more dangerous option.

I can't help but wonder whether it was the plan all along.

Give the people a buffoon for a year and they'll soon welcome any replacement - regardless of how toxic that replacement might be.

Fuck!! even the president is a false flag:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[pritch]

though I don't think the collusion goes much (if any) deeper than trump himself in terms of the GOP.

I don't have too much sympathy though, since they were fool enough to vote trump in, it really is a case of the people getting what they deserve.



This post didn't age well? One of Trumps appointments has been having business dealings with Putin's family despite the sanctions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-commerce-secretary-invests-in-rm-linked-to-putin-family-and-allies-reports-say/2017/11/05/19148220-4084-4fc7-afe8-56338790e529_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_paradise-8pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.eeac6591d178



Collusion is a journalists' word. The lawyers' word is conspiracy, and the interesting thing about that is that it's not necessary for a crime to have actually been committed for there to be a conspiracy

[Swoop]

I don't have too much sympathy though, since they were fool enough to vote trump in, it really is a case of the people getting what they deserve.
America elects the president it deserves.

The rest of the world laughs at them and they wonder why.

[oldrider]

This post didn't age well? One of Trumps appointments has been having business dealings with Putin's family despite the sanctions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-commerce-secretary-invests-in-rm-linked-to-putin-family-and-allies-reports-say/2017/11/05/19148220-4084-4fc7-afe8-56338790e529_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_paradise-8pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.eeac6591d178



Collusion is a journalists' word. The lawyers' word is conspiracy, and the interesting thing about that is that it's not necessary for a crime to have actually been committed for there to be a conspiracy

Legal meaning:- https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/conspiracy

[oldrider]

America elects the president it deserves.

The rest of the world laughs at them and they wonder why.

True! - unfortunately not many of those laughing actually understand the joke! :scratch:

[oldrider]

Gaddafi was right about JFK - (watch Johnston in the background) :shit: Who is it that actually has NUKES (weapons of mass destruction) again? - Iran or Israel? :scratch:

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[husaberg]

Gaddafi was right about JFK - (watch Johnston in the background) :shit: Who is it that actually has NUKES (weapons of mass destruction) again? - Iran or Israel? :scratch:
https://youtu.be/jRhQekGyiRI


The JFK speech is about communism and of how free speech of the press needs to be balanced with the need of maintaining national security due to the cold war ffs.
he was reminding the press that a lot of the information important for National security has been released by the press and this is being read by the USSR, At the time, this was potentionally harmfull to the USA's national security.
He was asking them very nicely to please be be responsable.
It was a very lighthearted speach. One of his funniest.
https://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset-Viewer/Archives/JFKWHA-025-001.aspx

here is the first part of it, cretin.
The fact that your video attempts to manipulate this fact, speaks volumes for its integrity and your own, lack their of.

President John F. Kennedy
Waldorf-Astoria Hotel, New York City
April 27, 1961
Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen:
I appreciate very much your generous invitation to be here tonight.
You bear heavy responsibilities these days and an article I read some time ago reminded me of how particularly heavily the burdens of present day events bear upon your profession.
You may remember that in 1851 the New York Herald Tribune under the sponsorship and publishing of Horace Greeley, employed as its London correspondent an obscure journalist by the name of Karl Marx.
We are told that foreign correspondent Marx, stone broke, and with a family ill and undernourished, constantly appealed to Greeley and managing editor Charles Dana for an increase in his munificent salary of $5 per installment, a salary which he and Engels ungratefully labeled as the "lousiest petty bourgeois cheating."
But when all his financial appeals were refused, Marx looked around for other means of livelihood and fame, eventually terminating his relationship with the Tribune and devoting his talents full time to the cause that would bequeath the world the seeds of Leninism, Stalinism, revolution and the cold war.
If only this capitalistic New York newspaper had treated him more kindly; if only Marx had remained a foreign correspondent, history might have been different. And I hope all publishers will bear this lesson in mind the next time they receive a poverty-stricken appeal for a small increase in the expense account from an obscure newspaper man.

I have selected as the title of my remarks tonight "The President and the Press." Some may suggest that this would be more naturally worded "The President Versus the Press." But those are not my sentiments tonight.
It is true, however, that when a well-known diplomat from another country demanded recently that our State Department repudiate certain newspaper attacks on his colleague it was unnecessary for us to reply that this Administration was not responsible for the press, for the press had already made it clear that it was not responsible for this Administration

[oldrider]

As usual, missed the point completely - others probably will not - meanwhile, moving right along! :shifty:

[pritch]

From the (very) recent Virginian State elections. The politician responsible for "the bathroom bill", banning transgender women from using female toilets, was defeated - by a transgender woman.

[oldrider]

While Everyone Was Busy Being Distracted by Texas...( and maybe North Korea etc?):- https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=100&v=AWGof4StIQo :rolleyes:

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[pritch]

In New Jersey a politician who joked of the "Women's March" protest, "But will they be home in time to cook dinner?" has been defeated by one of the women who marched.

There have been a number of firsts, including the first ever black mayor in Montana. Elected in the state capital no less, he arrived in the US as a refugee from Liberia, Africa.

The election results should be a slap in the face for Trump but while he is probably too dim to realise exactly what happened and will be busy blaming everybody else, nobody is as interested in politics as politicians. Republican Senators and Congressmen will be acutely aware of the swing against them.



In this country people, Mike Hosking for one, waffle on about us needing electronic voting. Because of hacking fears in the US, all votes in Virginia were cast on paper. It might be a bit premature to introduce computers to the process? At least until security can be guaranteed.

[yokel]

So it's been one year already, let's have an election recap.

https://youtu.be/YZ46I3kMOr0

Major things coming down the pipeline.
Anyone remember that phrase 'lock her up'?


https://youtu.be/moO9dfYHrZA

[Voltaire]

Happy Anniversary Donald.


2,470 tweets and 0 major legislative achievements: A year of Trump in numbers

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-year-tweets-laws-numbers-stats-latest-a8044941.html

[oldrider]

Hamid Karzai: US Colluded With ISIL in Afghanistan http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/48184.htm :o Time and truth? - Great mix! :wait:

[oldrider]

YOU'RE ABOUT TO WITNESS WHAT WAS AN IMPOSSIBILITY JUST ONE YEAR AGO - Interesting (Trump) times coming up? :wait:

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When you are up to your arse in alligators it's hard to remember that the original intention was to DRAIN the SWAMP! - Has Trump remained focussed after all? :shifty:

[pritch]

Bloody Hell John. Where do you think these idiots get this stuff?

The Republicans are trying to blow smoke about Uranium One. A Russian company bought an interest in an American company, they did not buy any uranium. Why would they? Most of the worlds uranium comes from one of the former soviet satellites, Turkmenistan, Tajikastan, or one of the other stans. The Republicans are suggesting that Clinton was up to no good although she may not have even been Secretary of State at that time.

The USA, like NZ, has a foreign inverstment watchdog and the members of that committee were unanimous in approving the purchase. One of the nine members said if the same request was made today it would be passed just the same.

So what is going on? Mueller, the special investigator into Trump's Russian connections started making arrests and frightened the shit out of Trump and his handlers. They can't sack Mueller without creating an uproar. Mueller's boss, Jefferson Beuregard Sessions III, can't sack Mueller because Sessions recused himself from everything to do with Trump's Russian connection. The end game is to get Mueller to recuse himself because he was head of the FBI at the time of the Uranium One deal thereby creating a conflict of interest. That's drawing a long bow because the FBI normally has nothing to do with overseas investments. It's all fairly desperate far fetched stuff.

Did that website carry the story about HRC's child sex slave ring underneath the pizza place? Or the one about NASA kidnapping cjildren and sending them to Mars where their organs were harvested? It's about the same level.

[Grumph]

On a US based forum I belong to, there's another one like him posting every crackpot revelation that comes out.
There's a witty canadian who simply posts pizza based gifs as an answer to them.
If i could be bothered i'd probably do the same here.

[Swoop]

If i could be bothered i'd probably do the same here.

You'd be busy...

[Grumph]

You'd be busy...

Undoubtedly - but what shows up here is a mere fraction of the fantastic twilight zone weirdness on line in the US.

But the shocking thing is the high proportion of Trump supporters who believe every word....

[mashman]

Bloody Hell John. Where do you think these idiots get this stuff?

The Republicans are trying to blow smoke about Uranium One. A Russian company bought an interest in an American company, they did not buy any uranium. Why would they? Most of the worlds uranium comes from one of the former soviet satellites, Turkmenistan, Tajikastan, or one of the other stans. The Republicans are suggesting that Clinton was up to no good although she may not have even been Secretary of State at that time.

The USA, like NZ, has a foreign inverstment watchdog and the members of that committee were unanimous in approving the purchase. One of the nine members said if the same request was made today it would be passed just the same.

So what is going on? Mueller, the special investigator into Trump's Russian connections started making arrests and frightened the shit out of Trump and his handlers. They can't sack Mueller without creating an uproar. Mueller's boss, Jefferson Beuregard Sessions III, can't sack Mueller because Sessions recused himself from everything to do with Trump's Russian connection. The end game is to get Mueller to recuse himself because he was head of the FBI at the time of the Uranium One deal thereby creating a conflict of interest. That's drawing a long bow because the FBI normally has nothing to do with overseas investments. It's all fairly desperate far fetched stuff.

Did that website carry the story about HRC's child sex slave ring underneath the pizza place? Or the one about NASA kidnapping cjildren and sending them to Mars where their organs were harvested? It's about the same level.

Are you saying that what was posted is implausible? (https://consciouslifenews.com/verified-warnings-presidents-about-invisible-government-running-allegiance-people/1136001/)

[oldrider]

Not a Trump supporter or a believer - just trying to sort through the flood of trash like everybody else seems to do.
American politics would be real comedy if it didn't effect and kill so many innocent people!

[Ocean1]

Are you saying that what was posted is implausible? (https://consciouslifenews.com/verified-warnings-presidents-about-invisible-government-running-allegiance-people/1136001/)

I do believe they'll have to modify this wee tool. As it stands there's no provision for the completely unhinged to select "all of the above".

[Grumph]

I do believe they'll have to modify this wee tool. As it stands there's no provision for the completely unhinged to select "all of the above".

If I still drank - and cared enough - I would do a revision of that adding the current buzzword - The "Deep State".

According to the believers this is responsible for everything from Trump's unpredicted ascent to POTUS to the Washington child sex ring run out of a pizza parlour....

[Graystone]

Not a Trump supporter or a believer - just trying to sort through the flood of trash like everybody else seems to do.
American politics would be real comedy if it didn't effect and kill so many innocent people!

I do question the wisdom of upending such a bucket of piss as that video while trying to sort through the flood of trash...

[pritch]

[Are you saying that what was posted is implausible?

What I was taking issue with is the complete rubbish being pushed about how Clinton was paid millions to sell uranium to the Russians. That is errant rubbish. I wasn't sure if she was actually Secretary of State at the time. Apparently she was, but the Secretary is not normally involved directly in the process, and anyway is but one of nine on the committee.

(Hopefully) and amazingly, here is Shep Smith of Fox News. The Fox viewers are up in arms and want him sacked because of this. The dim fucks would rather have fairy stories than facts. God forrbid anyone would disturb their misconceptions.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Fox+news+shepherd+smith+Uranium+one&t=hg&ia=videos&iax=videos&iai=RnsAZzsdI1U

[mashman]

I do believe they'll have to modify this wee tool. As it stands there's no provision for the completely unhinged to select "all of the above".

There is. That's why they created the tool. The rest of us use our brains as we don't need a manual to work things out.

[mashman]

If I still drank - and cared enough - I would do a revision of that adding the current buzzword - The "Deep State".

According to the believers this is responsible for everything from Trump's unpredicted ascent to POTUS to the Washington child sex ring run out of a pizza parlour....

Believers of what? That there's a game and a war being played out that is way beyond you and I to fathom? Yeah, I buy that given the evidence to date. Has there every been child slavery? Yes. Has a POTUS ever received a Nobel Peace Prize for being the bloodiest POTUS in modern history? Yes. on Has their ever been human trafficking for the purposes of providing sexual services? Yes. Is there a link between all three? Probably, but they all exist in their own right.

Deep State :killingme... of denial, yeah.

[oldrider]

I do question the wisdom of upending such a bucket of piss as that video while trying to sort through the flood of trash...

Question all you like - it's called freedom to decide for yourself - there is a lot less of it about than there used to be! :mellow: - soon what is left may be taken from you too. :shutup:

[mashman]

What I was taking issue with is the complete rubbish being pushed about how Clinton was paid millions to sell uranium to the Russians. That is errant rubbish. I wasn't sure if she was actually Secretary of Styate at the time. Apparently she was, but the Secretary is not normally involved directly in the process, and anyway is but one of nine on the committee.

(Hopefully) and amazingly, here is Shep Smith of Fox News. The Fox viewers are up in arms and want him sacked because of this. The dim fucks would rather have fairy stories than facts. God forrbid anyone would disturb their misconceptions.

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Fox+news+shepherd+smith+Uranium+one&t=hg&ia=videos&iax=videos&iai=RnsAZzsdI1U

It's not something I'd put past them. After all, some people go to great lengths to feather their own nest. Some even create pathways for vehicles to enter and exit warzones full of "acquired" oil whilst working for people who get Nobel Peace Prizes for increasing the number of bombs dropped securing peace. Kind of makes uranium selling to whoever, not Russia, but a human being that may happen to be Russian, look like petty crime. That and her rhetoric concerning Iran/Iraq/Libya/Syria etc... and the funding of ISIS that is no longer conspiracy. The odds are stacked against her being squeaky clean simply because she was in a position of responsibility. After all, covering positions of authority would be something that sexual predators would do in order to control their victims. I do not see these sorts of things as outwith the realms of reality.

I'm sure Shep is fantastic and unbiased in his reporting.

As the man said when he posted the video, "Interesting (Trump) times coming up? Has Trump remained focussed after all?".

[Graystone]

Question all you like - it's called freedom to decide for yourself - there is a lot less of it about than there used to be! :mellow: - soon what is left may be taken from you too. :shutup:

Try as you might, you and the other conspiracy theorists won't take my freedom to make an informed decision.

[oldrider]

Try as you might, you and the other conspiracy theorists won't take my freedom to make an informed decision.

:scratch: Try a 180 degree turn on that comment - there is nothing more that I want than your continued freedom to make your own informed decisions!

[Graystone]

:scratch: Try a 180 degree turn on that comment - there is nothing more that I want than your continued freedom to make your own informed decisions!

Then why spread misinformation? The torrent of garbage comes more from conspiracy theorists than it does official sources.

[oldrider]

Then why spread misinformation? The torrent of garbage comes more from conspiracy theorists than it does official sources.

Show me again where any of my posts say compulsory reading/viewing - anybody who looks at them does so of their own free will and decides upon the value (or not) of it to themselves! :corn:

[Graystone]

Show me again where any of my posts say compulsory reading/viewing - anybody who looks at them does so of their own free will and decides upon the value (or not) of it to themselves! :corn:

You are spreading misinformation, that people can look at them or not is irrelevant. The relevant information is being drowned out in the flood of bullshit, which hampers people's ability to make an informed choice, just look at how Trump got elected.

[Katman]

You are spreading misinformation....

How the fuck would you know whether any of it constitutes 'misinformation'?

[Graystone]

How the fuck would you know whether any of it constitutes 'misinformation'?

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/misinformation

[Katman]

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/misinformation

Like I thought - you wouldn't have a fucking clue.

[Woodman]

How the fuck would you know whether any of it constitutes 'misinformation'?

How do you know it isn't?

[Katman]

How do you know it isn't?

I'm not the one giving it a label.

[Woodman]

I'm not the one giving it a label.


Oh so you were talking about earwigs then :brick:

[oldrider]

You are spreading misinformation, that people can look at them or not is irrelevant. The relevant information is being drowned out in the flood of bullshit, which hampers people's ability to make an informed choice, just look at how Trump got elected.

Thats simply the way that you choose to interpret and believe - you sound (to me) like you would like to be a member of the thought police. :Police:

[Katman]

Oh so you were talking about earwigs then :brick:

Earwigs?

Have you been drinking again?

[Ocean1]

There is. That's why they created the tool. The rest of us use our brains as we don't need a manual to work things out.

They created the tool to help amateur conspiracy theorists identify which of a small range of incredible theories they could believe.

On the evidence to date it's abundantly apparent that a seasoned professional such as yourself is absolutely capable of resolving every single one of the various and mutually exclusive impossibilities involved and needs no assistance whatsoever in believing every single one of them.

[mashman]

They created the tool to help amateur conspiracy theorists identify which of a small range of incredible theories they could believe.

On the evidence to date it's abundantly apparent that a seasoned professional such as yourself is absolutely capable of resolving every single one of the various and mutually exclusive impossibilities involved and needs no assistance whatsoever in believing every single one of them.

Who created it?

And you know my belief is what exactly? As stringent as yours because that's all you know? I sit at 51% conspiracy theory media v's 49% as advertised in the mainstream media with virtually every subject. Some are more obvious than other to be far from conspiracy theories. And given that so many conspiracy theories have become truths over the years, you know, the sinking of ships, coups, and the various modern day theatre that's put forwards with which to gain an objective, yeah right, view on the subject, how is one supposed to sift the wheat from the chaff? A practice exists, as do the people who undertake those practices. The rest is entirely up to you, and if you ever ........ ooo squirrel.

[Ocean1]

Who created it?

Who cares?


And you know my belief is what exactly?

Wrong.


As stringent as yours because that's all you know?.

Oh no, all I need to know to calibrate your credibility is your history of fracturing data to suit your narrative.

Which is overwhelmingly suggestive of a complete idiot.

Your propensity to then present such mashups of alternative facts as some sort of evidence supporting your economic cargo cult fantasies is the sort of behavior that's cute in a 4 year old, (and about as credible) but in a presumably grown man it's just plain pathetic.

[mashman]

Who cares?

Wrong.

Oh no, all I need to know to calibrate your credibility is your history of fracturing data to suit your narrative.

Which is overwhelmingly suggestive of a complete idiot.

Your propensity to then present such mashups of alternative facts as some sort of evidence supporting your economic cargo cult fantasies is the sort of behavior that's cute in a 4 year old, (and about as credible) but in a presumably grown man it's just plain pathetic.

Source matters yeah?

:killingme...

:killingme :crybaby: :killingme @ credibility. Your projection of what you read me as is well documented. It's wrong. But it's well documented. I'd expect any rational anarchist to understand that. Even a 4 year old one.

[oldrider]

Warning - those of delicate disposition should not look at this post! :no:
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[Graystone]

Like I thought - you wouldn't have a fucking clue.


Thats simply the way that you choose to interpret and believe - you sound (to me) like you would like to be a member of the thought police. :Police:

The spray and walk away approach is a dead giveaway, those who lack the wherewithal to discuss and defend their position and that which they post is a pretty good indicator that it's misinformation.

[mashman]

The spray and walk away approach is a dead giveaway, those who lack the wherewithal to discuss and defend their position and that which they post is a pretty good indicator that it's misinformation.

Maybe you should shout louder. CAPS is good for that apparently. Coz if you shout a little louder what you're saying might actually become true, as repeating it sure as hell isn't working. It's information. Make your own mind up as oldrider states. You're claiming to know why he's posting it when he has clearly stated why he has posting it. That's seriously irrational behaviour Son. Fucked in the head mentality even.

[Graystone]

Maybe you should shout louder. CAPS is good for that apparently. Coz if you shout a little louder what you're saying might actually become true, as repeating it sure as hell isn't working. It's information. Make your own mind up as oldrider states. You're claiming to know why he's posting it when he has clearly stated why he has posting it. That's seriously irrational behaviour Son. Fucked in the head mentality even.

What makes you think it isn't working? conspiracy theorists are still quickly identified and not taken seriously. Seems like it is working fine to me.

[mashman]

What makes you think it isn't working? conspiracy theorists are still quickly identified and not taken seriously. Seems like it is working fine to me.

:killingme Of course it seems to be working fine for you... coz you know why people post what they post better than they do. Hard to learn anything from that perspective, and the only reason you revert to name calling (despite deriding such approaches). Son, using hypocrisy, brute ignorance and name calling to claim logic, reason and common sense based on the opposite of what has been stated by another is a pathetic way to discount anything. Fortunately we know that that's the best you have and summarily laugh at it. You're dumb, but in a really funny way.

[Graystone]

:killingme Of course it seems to be working fine for you... coz you know why people post what they post better than they do. Hard to learn anything from that perspective, and the only reason you revert to name calling (despite deriding such approaches). Son, using hypocrisy, brute ignorance and name calling to claim logic, reason and common sense based on the opposite of what has been stated by another is a pathetic way to discount anything. Fortunately we know that that's the best you have and summarily laugh at it. You're dumb, but in a really funny way.

Name calling? I do not recall ever doing so, could you substantiate that, or is it exactly the type of misinformation I just characterised...

Given you seem to disagree with me, does that mean you think that conspiracy theorists are being taken seriously?

[mashman]

Name calling? I do not recall ever doing so, could you substantiate that, or is it exactly the type of misinformation I just characterised...

Given you seem to disagree with me, does that mean you think that conspiracy theorists are being taken seriously?

"The spray and walk away approach is a dead giveaway, those who lack the wherewithal to discuss and defend their position and that which they post is a pretty good indicator that it's misinformation.". You didn't characterise any misinformation, you played the man as a conspiracy theorist and therefore that's supposed to mean something in terms of the credibility of the information i.e. making your own mind up and dealing with it like a grown up. It's ok though, I realise that Denial is a river in Egypt.

Fuckwit.

[Graystone]

"The spray and walk away approach is a dead giveaway, those who lack the wherewithal to discuss and defend their position and that which they post is a pretty good indicator that it's misinformation.". You didn't characterise any misinformation, you played the man as a conspiracy theorist and therefore that's supposed to mean something in terms of the credibility of the information i.e. making your own mind up and dealing with it like a grown up. It's ok though, I realise that Denial is a river in Egypt.

Fuckwit.

And you think categorising someone is name calling? That seems a bit precious.

But to the more relevant point, do you think conspiracy theorists are being taken seriously?

[oldrider]

The spray and walk away approach is a dead giveaway, those who lack the wherewithal to discuss and defend their position and that which they post is a pretty good indicator that it's misinformation.

Agree to disagree - vive la difference perhaps? :rolleyes:

[Graystone]

Agree to disagree - vive la difference perhaps? :rolleyes:

Not quite sure you understand what that saying means. It applies after a thing has been discussed, and no consensus reached. You can't agree to disagree about misinformation because the discussing of such a thing makes it self evident. So it comes as not surprise you jump straight to such cop outs and by doing so implicitly confirm that it is indeed, simple misinformation.

[mashman]

And you think categorising someone is name calling? That seems a bit precious.

But to the more relevant point, do you think conspiracy theorists are being taken seriously?

Fuckwit.

Fuckwit.

[oldrider]

Not quite sure you understand what that saying means. It applies after a thing has been discussed, and no consensus reached. You can't agree to disagree about misinformation because the discussing of such a thing makes it self evident. So it comes as not surprise you jump straight to such cop outs and by doing so implicitly confirm that it is indeed, simple misinformation.

Oh silly me - I gave you too much credit for common sense but there you go - I guess all your life must be one big key board pissing contest!

Old nursery rime springs to mind: Little Jack Horner sat in the corner eating his pudding and pie - he put in his thumb and pulled out a plumb and said - "oh what a good boy am I". :facepalm: At least one in every school class! :first:

[mashman]

Oh silly me - I gave you too much credit for common sense but there you go - I guess all your life must be one big key board pissing contest!

Old nursery rime springs to mind: Little Jack Horner sat in the corner eating his pudding and pie - he put in his thumb and pulled out a plumb and said - "oh what a good boy am I". :facepalm: At least one in every school class! :first:

One? heh... :shifty:

[Graystone]

Fuckwit.

Fuckwit.


Oh silly me - I gave you too much credit for common sense but there you go - I guess all your life must be one big key board pissing contest!

Old nursery rime springs to mind: Little Jack Horner sat in the corner eating his pudding and pie - he put in his thumb and pulled out a plumb and said - "oh what a good boy am I". :facepalm: At least one in every school class! :first:

Come now, let's use some common sense and not make this a big keyboard pissing contest of trading insults. Do try to keep it on topic.

[mashman]

Come now, let's use some common sense and not make this a big keyboard pissing contest of trading insults. Do try to keep it on topic.

Common sense from Mr "I know what you meant despite what you state you meant." bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa. It is on topic. It's about fuckwits. Fuckwit.

[oldrider]

Canadian Nationalist party challenging (Fidel Castro's son Justin?) Trudeau's globalism:- https://www.nationalist.ca/news/ :corn:

Castro connection?:- https://www.indy100.com/article/conspiracy-theorists-think-justin-trudeau-is-fidel-castros-love-child-so-whats-the-evidence-7447416

[pritch]

Warning - those of delicate disposition should not look at this post! :no:


Nah, that's good. It's like the Three Stooges. It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad.

[oldrider]

Saw a claim about Buzz Aldren's uncomfortable "facial contortions" while he was standing behind and listening to Trump speaking - looked photo shopped. :scratch:

Then I saw this! - Believe everything you see on the internet? :no: - :laugh:

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Buzz faced?
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[pritch]

Saw a claim about Buzz Aldren's uncomfortable "facial contortions" while he was standing behind and listening to Trump speaking - looked photo shopped. :scratch:



That stuff is technically feasible but would take time. Time which they didn't have, these things are on the news just a few hours later and on multiple channels.

[pritch]

Nothing to do with the election but it deserves a mention...

So there's a coupla undercover cops posing as drug dealers and along come a coupla undercover cops posing as drug buyers. What could possibly go wrong?

[Graystone]

Common sense from Mr "I know what you meant despite what you state you meant." bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaa. It is on topic. It's about fuckwits. Fuckwit.

Interesting, I certainly do not recall ever stating that, are you saying that you know what I mean despite it not being what I've stated? That sounds a lot like more misinformation.

[mashman]

Interesting, I certainly do not recall ever stating that, are you saying that you know what I mean despite it not being what I've stated? That sounds a lot like more misinformation.

It was a long day at the coalface. We sat and mulled a few things over as we marveled at what we had built. Phil was pleased that the arch was holding way more than anyone suspected. Although he had known all along that the likelihood of the arch doing its job, and more, was a given. Primarily because that's how Ken had instructed Phil to build the bridge. Dave said, "Phil. What can you do for this?" as he slid the budget across the desk. Phil's eyes lit up as it was way more than he needed, but opened up all sorts of other possibilities when it came to putting in the arch or all arches. All of a sudden any thoughts of there being a long day at the coalface was gone. The marvel was before them. Dave took a deep breath, turned, looked Phil in the eye and said, "I knew if I gave you enough money and authority you'd be able to do it.". Phil said, "I could have done this 10 years ago if we had have been living in a Resource Based Economy. The financial system slowed this whole thing down. But hey, Fuckwits.". Dave spun on his heels and muttered something about capitalism being responsible for both of their achievements. But Phil had already drifted off painting in a backdrop of buildings of function and of the beginnings of a city that he would never see built, nor even that a single sod would be turned whilst capitalism continued to exist. He had heard what Dave had said, but figured that the picture he was painting didn't need to be interrupted by such a fuckwit. After that, Phil realised that Dave actually accomplished nothing. Not because he wasn't a smart, intelligent and lovely guy... but he was indeed just a fuckwit. But what a fuckin arch.

[TheDemonLord]

It was a long day at the coalface. We sat and mulled a few things over as we marveled at what we had built. Phil was pleased that the arch was holding way more than anyone suspected. Although he had known all along that the likelihood of the arch doing its job, and more, was a given. Primarily because that's how Ken had instructed Phil to build the bridge. Dave said, "Phil. What can you do for this?" as he slid the budget across the desk. Phil's eyes lit up as it was way more than he needed, but opened up all sorts of other possibilities when it came to putting in the arch or all arches. All of a sudden any thoughts of there being a long day at the coalface was gone. The marvel was before them. Dave took a deep breath, turned, looked Phil in the eye and said, "I knew if I gave you enough money and authority you'd be able to do it.". Phil said, "I could have done this 10 years ago if we had have been living in a Resource Based Economy. The financial system slowed this whole thing down. But hey, Fuckwits.". Dave spun on his heels and muttered something about capitalism being responsible for both of their achievements. But Phil had already drifted off painting in a backdrop of buildings of function and of the beginnings of a city that he would never see built, nor even that a single sod would be turned whilst capitalism continued to exist. He had heard what Dave had said, but figured that the picture he was painting didn't need to be interrupted by such a fuckwit. After that, Phil realised that Dave actually accomplished nothing. Not because he wasn't a smart, intelligent and lovely guy... but he was indeed just a fuckwit. But what a fuckin arch.

Meanwhile, in an RBE, in a parrellel universe, 10 Million Ukranians were starving to death because some Fuckwit called Phil had used all the resources to build a bunch of pointless arches, in the middle of nowhere with no regard to whether or not the majority of people needed them or wanted to them.

And at that moment, the Ukranians realised that the RBE was just another unrealistic pipe dream, from social constructionist, closet communists that would see them all dead.

[Graystone]

It was a long day at the coalface. We sat and mulled a few things over as we marveled at what we had built. Phil was pleased that the arch was holding way more than anyone suspected. Although he had known all along that the likelihood of the arch doing its job, and more, was a given. Primarily because that's how Ken had instructed Phil to build the bridge. Dave said, "Phil. What can you do for this?" as he slid the budget across the desk. Phil's eyes lit up as it was way more than he needed, but opened up all sorts of other possibilities when it came to putting in the arch or all arches. All of a sudden any thoughts of there being a long day at the coalface was gone. The marvel was before them. Dave took a deep breath, turned, looked Phil in the eye and said, "I knew if I gave you enough money and authority you'd be able to do it.". Phil said, "I could have done this 10 years ago if we had have been living in a Resource Based Economy. The financial system slowed this whole thing down. But hey, Fuckwits.". Dave spun on his heels and muttered something about capitalism being responsible for both of their achievements. But Phil had already drifted off painting in a backdrop of buildings of function and of the beginnings of a city that he would never see built, nor even that a single sod would be turned whilst capitalism continued to exist. He had heard what Dave had said, but figured that the picture he was painting didn't need to be interrupted by such a fuckwit. After that, Phil realised that Dave actually accomplished nothing. Not because he wasn't a smart, intelligent and lovely guy... but he was indeed just a fuckwit. But what a fuckin arch.

That's nice dear, anything to say on topic though?

[mashman]

That's nice dear, anything to say on topic though?


Interesting, I certainly do not recall ever stating that, are you saying that you know what I mean despite it not being what I've stated? That sounds a lot like more misinformation. .

Mirror mirror on the wall. Who's th... nah, Fuckwit.

[Graystone]

.

Mirror mirror on the wall. Who's th... nah, Fuckwit.

Misinformation is one of the core issues surrounding the 2016 presidential elections, how is that not on topic?

[oldrider]

Misinformation is one of the core issues surrounding the 2016 presidential elections, how is that not on topic?

True!

Unfortunately misinformation has been the norm long long before any recent elections - the advent of the internet has exposed just to what extent! :eek:

The weapon of defence for those being exposed is to to flood the internet etc with so much misinformation that it will become less effective until ignorance reigns again! :confused:

[mashman]

Misinformation is one of the core issues surrounding the 2016 presidential elections, how is that not on topic?

See, I would have removed, "That sounds a lot like more misinformation.", that bit from your quote but knew you'd get all precious again. As such, you read what you chose to read for whatever reason you chose to read it. Mirror m... Fuckwit.

[mashman]

True!

Unfortunately misinformation has been the norm long long before any recent elections - the advent of the internet has exposed just to what extent! :eek:

The weapon of defence for those being exposed is to to flood the internet etc with so much misinformation that it will become less effective until ignorance reigns again! :confused:

Didn't they make misinformation legal? (http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/07/14/u-s-repeals-propaganda-ban-spreads-government-made-news-to-americans/).

[Graystone]

True!

Unfortunately misinformation has been the norm long long before any recent elections - the advent of the internet has exposed just to what extent! :eek:

The weapon of defence for those being exposed is to to flood the internet etc with so much misinformation that it will become less effective until ignorance reigns again! :confused:

So stop adding to the flood!


See, I would have removed, "That sounds a lot like more misinformation.", that bit from your quote but knew you'd get all precious again. As such, you read what you chose to read for whatever reason you chose to read it. Mirror m... Fuckwit.

Have you heard about the world's roundest object? scaled up to the size of the earth it's highest peak would only be 7m above ground level, yet your posts somehow have even less of a point.

[oldrider]

So stop adding to the flood!

So many men, so many opinions - read that as meaning, to me it's mind over matter - "I don't mind because yours don't matter". :rolleyes:

[Graystone]

So many men, so many opinions - read that as meaning, to me it's mind over matter - "I don't mind because yours don't matter". :rolleyes:

Try raising your repost criteria to more than just whether it fits your opinion then, check if it is misinformation before posting it. Think back to a year ago, were you pro-trump or against?

[mashman]

Have you heard about the world's roundest object? scaled up to the size of the earth it's highest peak would only be 7m above ground level, yet your posts somehow have even less of a point.

Getting closer.

[oldrider]

Misinformation? - depends who you are and how you have been taught to think! http://www.mintpressnews.com/saudi-arabia-israel-back-un-bill-against-iran-syria-over-human-rights/234592/ :scratch:

[pritch]

Misinformation is one of the core issues surrounding the 2016 presidential elections, how is that not on topic?

Nah, 'cause misinformation is a core issue on KB too. :whistle:

[oldrider]

The Real Foreign Agents In The US You Aren't Being Told About? - but can/will they survive the Trump swamp draining machine? :scratch: - :rolleyes: - :shutup:

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