The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread? [Archive] - Page 28

pzkpfw

31st October 2019, 15:11

Okay, fair point - so let us both not ascribe things to each other then?

Let me try a different tack, perhaps I wasn't clear in what I meant - Not liking Trump is fine, that's your right.

Groovy. I appreciate your reasonable discussion.

Using a dislike of Trump to then spur multiple spurious attempts to get him removed from office simply because you don't like him and can't accept the election result - is not fine.

I can agree with that.

The thing is, I don't think that's what's going on.

From what I see, they get evidence of possible wrong-doing ... and investigate. As they should.

If after the Impeachment process (if he Wins), you maintain a Dislike of Trump, that's completely okay - but will you accept that he is the Legitimate President and oppose further tactics and politicing to remove him from office? Will you denounce the reports of him that are full of half-truths deliberately omitted, to make him look bad?

If you will not vindicate him if he wins, then what point is there?

If the impeachment investigation fails to provide evidence worthy of impeachment *, I will happily say he should not be impeached.

Heck, I can even agree right now he's (technically **) the legitimate president of the U.S.

But ... that does not mean that further evidence of other possible crimes should not be investigated.

Being innocent of one crime ... or even if one were universally "liked" ... does not make one innocent of all potential crimes.

(* Of course, even if it does, actions could by stymied by the Republicans, as they seem to love power and Trump more than their country.)

(** There was interference, so his presidency is at the very least tainted. It's a big issue for Democracy in the current World.)

Can I recommend this forum: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6
It's got people on both side participating.

pzkpfw

31st October 2019, 15:17

No Austin, he is not saying that at all. You are putting words in his mouth.
I guarantee you, if it were flipped, and the democrats were asking Ukraine to investigate and get dirt on Trump, you would be singing Vindmans praises and hailing him as a true patriot. You not being able to get past the left is wrong, right is correct in every instance is blinding you to the truth.

I saw a great comment in the forum I just linked ( http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6 ).

Someone was wondering how people could see/hear what Trump says/does and still come out in support.

It was then compared to wrestling. Everybody knows it's fake, but they sort of make themselves believe because they want to.

(I think the Venn diagram of wrestling fans and Trump supporters would have a pretty good overlap too!)

Katman

31st October 2019, 15:37

(** There was interference, so his presidency is at the very least tainted. It's a big issue for Democracy in the current World.)

Perhaps America should have a good long think about that before they go interfering again in the elections of any other countries.

austingtir

31st October 2019, 16:37

Perhaps America should have a good long think about that before they go interfering again in the elections of any other countries.

Jesus that's wishful thinking. What are the 23000 employed at the pentagon going to do with their days if they dont have a few pawn countries to destablize?

Woodman

31st October 2019, 16:43

Jesus that's wishful thinking. What are the 23000 employed at the pentagon going to do with their days if they dont have a few pawn countries to destablize?

Sit around wondering why there are no more terrorists?

austingtir

31st October 2019, 16:49

Sit around wondering why there are no more terrorists?

Oh but theres always more terrorists. Pelosi and co were just over in jordan dropping off more weapons and cash for the next round.

Woodman

31st October 2019, 16:54

Oh but theres always more terrorists. Pelosi and co were just over in jordan dropping off more weapons and cash for the next round.

I reckon they should try and interfere with nz. Always thought we would make pretty good terrorists.

austingtir

31st October 2019, 17:07

^^

The greens voters would if they knew how to use or even owned guns..... Marama Davidson and Golriz would have all us old white men rounded up and off to the gulags for sure.

Woodman

31st October 2019, 18:12

^^

The greens voters would if they knew how to use or even owned guns..... Marama Davidson and Golriz would have all us old white men rounded up and off to the gulags for sure.

Nah, us old white men will be dead soon enough. The new gen will look after the place better.

Katman

31st October 2019, 18:14

I reckon they should try and interfere with nz. Always thought we would make pretty good terrorists.

I'd be a General.

Woodman

31st October 2019, 18:15

Also you don't need guns to be a good terrorist, a few Stanley knives and some planes works a treat.

Katman

31st October 2019, 18:16

Also you don't need guns to be a good terrorist, a few Stanley knives and some planes works a treat.

I'll bring hammers and screwdrivers.

Woodman

31st October 2019, 18:16

I'd be a General.

General nuisance. Which technically what a terrorist is.

Katman

31st October 2019, 18:18

General nuisance. Which technically what a terrorist is.

Careful - I'm watching Narcos at the moment.

Woodman

31st October 2019, 18:35

Careful - I'm watching Narcos at the moment.

Wtf is narcos?

austingtir

31st October 2019, 19:02

Nah, us old white men will be dead soon enough. The new gen will look after the place better.

Did you see the clown world vid I posted in the other thread. Some of the next generation are a real worry imo. Not all though.

The problem with "looking after the place better" is that its going to be rooted in communist idealogies and its not going to go how the people like extinction rebellion, Antifa and Greta thumberg think its going to go.

The cocks dancing around and getting their comeuppance on those trains in britain is a good example of what will really happen.

Because most people realize survival is not necessarily tied to "looking after the place better". Which means groups like extinction rebellion and people following Greta will always be the 1% (just like the supposed elite actually but way less influential) and probably some of them even mean well but they will be used as playthings by those that dont.

Woodman

31st October 2019, 19:14

Did you see the clown world vid I posted in the other thread. Some of the next generation are a real worry imo. Not all though.

The problem with "looking after the place better" is that its going to be rooted in communist idealogies and its not going to go how the people like extinction rebellion, Antifa and Greta thumberg think its going to go.

The cocks dancing around and getting their comeuppance on those trains in britain is a good example of what will really happen.

Because most people realize survival is not necessarily tied to "looking after the place better". Which means groups like extinction rebellion and people following Greta will always be the 1% (just like the supposed elite actually but way less influential) and probably some of them even mean well but they will be used as playthings by those that dont.

Oh there is going to be a brawl, and don't think the greenies won't take up arms. They will. Climate change and biodiversity destruction is worth fighting against.

pritch

31st October 2019, 20:42

Rather more factual than the fantasy reported by the idiot in chief. Currently the Washington post has a vidio clip of the Baghdadi raid with military commentary.

https://www.washingtonpost.com

austingtir

31st October 2019, 20:57

Oh there is going to be a brawl, and don't think the greenies won't take up arms. They will. Climate change and biodiversity destruction is worth fighting against.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/iKHWBVBR3sevcSRiLZ/200.webp?cid=790b7611e880762064b2e24676f0fe548dba7 4e2727438bd&rid=200.webp

Katman

1st November 2019, 06:39

Wtf is narcos?

A training video for aspiring terrorists.

oldrider

1st November 2019, 07:40

Narcos? - https://www.netflix.com/nz/title/80025172 - :shifty:

austingtir

1st November 2019, 08:42

LMFAO at this sloot blaming her abusive husband.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tvzUEbZr4U

TheDemonLord

1st November 2019, 08:54

I can agree with that.

The thing is, I don't think that's what's going on.

From what I see, they get evidence of possible wrong-doing ... and investigate. As they should.

My personal take, is that suppose everything they say is true, that Trump asked a foreign country to look into Biden's son for dodgy dealings in that Foreign country and in return would release promised aid - I don't see a whole lot wrong here, it's no different from what most countries do, it may be a bit more explicit, but again, I don't find it anymore or less wrong that what happens.

I'll freely admit that this probably makes me more of a jaded cynic than anything else.

Then there is the secondary issue, it seems to me that they are grasping at straws and trying to find anything (no matter how trivial) that they can (ab)use to try and get their way.

Being innocent of one crime ... or even if one were universally "liked" ... does not make one innocent of all potential crimes.

For sure, there's no disagreement there, I've cut this out of line because I think the key point is the one that follows:

If the impeachment investigation fails to provide evidence worthy of impeachment *, I will happily say he should not be impeached.

Heck, I can even agree right now he's (technically **) the legitimate president of the U.S.

But ... that does not mean that further evidence of other possible crimes should not be investigated.

That's fair. But consider this - if you were driving around and everytime you drove your car, there was immediately a Police car on your tail that would pull you over the for slightest of mistakes (didn't indicate at a roundabout, didn't indicate for at least 3 seconds etc.) - you would say that it was harassment and not the proper conduct of the Police.

I'll accept that as the leader of the US there is an increased level of Oversight that is warranted, but this inquisitorial desperation to find any and every little thing that could be used to try and usurp him is much like the example above.

(* Of course, even if it does, actions could by stymied by the Republicans, as they seem to love power and Trump more than their country.)

Listening to some Conservative Commentators (Ben Shapiro is a good example of this), I don't think that's a fair characterization of them - a lot of them are only too happy to be Critical of Trump when he does something stupid (the aforementioned Ben is a great example of this), but conversely, they are also prepared to accept when Trump has done something good (or at least they think is good) - it's this last bit that's lacking. Consider the TPPA, the various activist groups were all up in arms about it. Trump came in, pulled the deal and it died - not one of them could even acknowledge that he did something they liked.

(** There was interference, so his presidency is at the very least tainted. It's a big issue for Democracy in the current World.)

I disagree - there must be a number of questions asked (and for the record, I don't agree there was interference):

1: Was the (supposed) interference more or less than previous elections?
2: Was the (supposed) interference causal to the election of Trump as opposed to corelating?
3: Did the (supposed) interference cause a massive demographic shift in Voters?

On the first point - if there was interference (and I don't think there was to any noticeable degree), then I put it to you it was no more or less than any other interference and at any point in time (case in point - the Soviet's funding of Socialist political groups in the US)

On the second point - You can point to a number of factors that would appear to be more causal than any interference - Trumps fundamental message, Hilary's disdain for the working class American (the basket of Deplorables), discontent at certain policies that appear to benefit the city-dwelling masses vs the heartland of the US etc.

The last point is perhaps the most key - in the Election, same as every other election ~50% voted Republican, ~50% voted Democrat, there was no fundamental shift in voting behavior. What we did see, is that Trump focused a huge amount of energy on Swing states, much more than Hilary, add into that how the Electoral College works - Trump effectively played the game to win. He went after people in the areas where he would need people to vote for him, compared to Hilary who (comparatively) only campaigned in areas were people will vote for her.

That there wasn't a sizeable shift in Voting behavior means that any interference had a negligible effect, whereas Trump's campaign strategy seems to have been much more causal to his success.

Can I recommend this forum: http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6
It's got people on both side participating.

Another forum where I can argue and piss people off? Lordy! I do love an argument, but I think if I were to join another forum, that little bit of work that I get done during the day might get smaller and the Boss might notice!

Viking01

1st November 2019, 09:37

https://www.telesurenglish.net/news/Trump-Says-UK-Labour-Leader-Corbyn-Would-Be-so-Bad-to-Britain-20191031-0012.html

jasonu

1st November 2019, 10:15

LMFAO at this sloot blaming her abusive husband.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tvzUEbZr4U

I saw that too. Apparently it is everyone else’s fault but hers.

Berries

1st November 2019, 10:52

Why is she wearing a Prince Albert as a necklace?

Banditbandit

1st November 2019, 12:02

Some of the next generation are a real worry imo. Not all though.

People have been saying that for generations - even Aristotle complains about the younger generation .... You sing an old song - you became your parents ..

TheDemonLord

1st November 2019, 12:39

I saw that too. Apparently it is everyone else’s fault but hers.

Would still tap though.

oldrider

1st November 2019, 20:25

How war's should be fought! - between the leaders? - :girlfight: - https://twitter.com/i/status/1189951651668512772 - :lol:

pritch

2nd November 2019, 15:01

Interesting if longish read in The Independent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-impeachment-inquiry-latest-russia-mueller-ukraine-zelensky-a9181641.html

In all of that the following paragraph struck me as the most interesting.

And the information being requested has left allies astonished. One British official with knowledge of Barr’s wish list presented to London commented that “it is like nothing we have come across before, they are basically asking, in quite robust terms, for help in doing a hatchet job on their own intelligence services”.

Also completely unrelated to that, Trump has announced that henceforth he will be resident in Florida. This has people guessing as to what the motivation of the life long New Yorker might be. One suggestion concerns bankruptcy. Most US states exclude the primary dwelling from bankruptcy proceedings but limit the value, typically to around three to four hundred thousand. Florida has no limit. And Trump does have a history of bankruptcies.

jasonu

2nd November 2019, 15:10

pritch

2nd November 2019, 15:14

The Daily Mail an undercover visit to Trump Doral, the venue Trump had proposed for the G7 (or G8 or?).

Even excluding the bedbugs things aren't that great.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7631265/Inside-Trumps-Doral-Resort-G7-dignitaries-missed.html

sugilite

2nd November 2019, 16:12

Or
A lot of old people in the states move to Florida. Maybe he fancies the climate there.
You may be right, but my personal feelings are it also points to why he is so desperate to keep his tax records secret, never mind they will very likely show a lot of loans from Russian oligarchs. Which is a bad look for a US President to owe Russians money due to leverage yadda yadda.

R650R

2nd November 2019, 16:34

Also completely unrelated to that, Trump has announced that henceforth he will be resident in Florida. This has people guessing as to what the motivation of the life long New Yorker might be. One suggestion concerns bankruptcy. Most US states exclude the primary dwelling from bankruptcy proceedings but limit the value, typically to around three to four hundred thousand. Florida has no limit. And Trump does have a history of bankruptcies.

When your draining the swamp you don't want to be too close to all the desperate creepy crawlies running out of the swamp... Florida is a lot safer for avoiding assassination than in new York...

oldrider

2nd November 2019, 20:02

Outcome of every situation is not always obvious as it might first appear:- :no: - https://twitter.com/i/status/1190471050775138304 - Impeachment anyone? - :mellow:

austingtir

2nd November 2019, 20:20

Kudos to the man who has scooped this story. Apparently he uncovered all this weeks ago.

His name is Greg Rubini.

https://twitter.com/GregRubini?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp% 7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

On October 18th, 2016 there was a 1pm luncheon honoring (then) Prime Minister of Italy... Matteo Renzi.

Here is a list of some attendees of that meal:

1. John Brennan
2. Susan Rice
3. Joe Biden
4. Nancy Pelosi
5. John Kerry
6. Loretta Lynch
7. John Podesta
8. Tony Podesta
9. Valerie Jarrett
10. James Clapper
11. James Comey
12. Charles Kupchan
13. Eric Ciaramella

So... you probably don't know who the 12th and 13th men are on this list even if you follow politics.

The thirteenth person is the "Whistleblower" that approached Adam Schiff. The 12th person is his boss. Anybody thats vaguely followed US politics will know who the first eleven are.

Rubini has also pointed out the connections via Ukraine which are all totally undeniable.

So the MSM is avoiding all this sort of stuff like the plague which is why those like sugilite on this forum are going to get hit by a ton of bricks once all the really juicy stuff comes out and the MSM cant control the narrative anymore.

For the people that are slow.

We have an ongoing and undeniable COUP attempt on a duly elected president of the USA and most people in the world are still clueless.

Cliffs: on Eric

-Started at CIA
-Registered Democrat held over on Trump Admin from Obama White House, was Ukraine director for Obama Admin
-Worked for Biden/Brennan and traveled with Biden to Ukraine - was Biden's Ukraine "point man"
-Ties to Biden, Brennan, Clapper, Schiff, Rice prior to whistleblowing
-Worked with Dems and Brennan to help the Russia Hoax - he was cited in the Muller Report
-Invited DNC anti-Trump Russia hoax operatives to the Trump White House
-Fired from Trump's White House in 2017 for leaking - then went back to working at the CIA (wtf?)
-Among others, was the "anonymous source" for false media narrative Putin ordered President Trump to fire James Comey (LOL!)
-After hearing from somebody else about Trump's Ukraine call, he met with Schiff's team (filled w/ past co-workers he's close with) for "guidance" weeks before officially whistleblowing
-He's how this whole impeachment process began

This whole thing is a massive joke. Never forget the lunacy on how this impeachment process started.

After being fired for leaking, how was this guy allowed back in the CIA? He needs to brought in for testimony ASAP. No wonder Democrats have been hiding him and using all their powers to shield this from Republicans.

https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2019/10/30/whistleblower_exposed_close_to_biden_brennan_dnc_o ppo_researcher_120996.html

sugilite

2nd November 2019, 23:53

For the people that are slow.

We have an ongoing and undeniable COUP attempt on a duly elected president of the USA and most people in the world are still clueless.

If that were true, it would have to be the worst coup attempt ever - when the republican run senate can swat it down in an instant.
You will pick up any old right wing dog turd narrative and run with it. :killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme

austingtir

3rd November 2019, 00:20

If that were true, it would have to be the worst coup attempt ever - when the republican run senate can swat it down in an instant.
You will pick up any old right wing dog turd narrative and run with it. :killingme:killingme:killingme:killingme

It is true and you know it.

Whats right wing about stating obvious facts. All the stuff I posted above is verifiable fact.

Its an outright COUP attempt and has been since before Trump was president.

sugilite

3rd November 2019, 09:15

It is true and you know it.

Whats right wing about stating obvious facts. All the stuff I posted above is verifiable fact.

Its an outright COUP attempt and has been since before Trump was president.

"coup" - a sudden illegal, often violent, taking of government power, especially by part of an army:
To use the word coup in this instance is completely evocative and misleading. It is designed to rark up the lower IQ types. And look - you are absolutely frothing at the mouth like a rabid zombie!
Your boy gone done fucked up with this quid pro quo. If his phone call was so perfect, why move it to a secure server? Why try to block key witnesses if their is nothing to hide?
Trump was told under no uncertain terms by Kelly, that if he surrounded himself with "yes" men, he would open himself up to impeachment. And here it is coming to be.
Your guy is woefully under qualified for the office of the president - wakey wakey Austin.

pritch

3rd November 2019, 09:20

All the stuff I posted above is verifiable fact.

Your idea of a verifiable fact is even more out of whack than KellyAnne Conway's. And she gave the language 'alternative facts'.

jasonu

3rd November 2019, 09:27

Your idea of a verifiable fact is even more out of whack than KellyAnne Conway's. And she gave the language 'alternative facts'.

and of course all the drivel you copy and paste from fuck knows where is all right on the money...

pritch

3rd November 2019, 10:14

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-sociopath-mental-health-harvard-psychiatry-professor-1468441

husaberg

3rd November 2019, 13:39

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oldrider

3rd November 2019, 18:46

The only poll that really counts is the election but as it is USA can even that be trusted? - NO! :no:

austingtir

3rd November 2019, 18:49

The only poll that really counts is the election but as it is USA can even that be trusted? - NO! :no:

In my experience only $3.50 shills and forum trolls post graphs and charts...

sugilite

5th November 2019, 09:07

Drain the swamp my arse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ofs7b6w1Pts

austingtir

5th November 2019, 09:43

Drain the swamp my arse.

Anderson Cooper (his mother was a satanist) and his brother suicided himself because he didnt want to be gay like Anderson because the mum was pushing him into it.

On top of the above Cooper is a CIA asset like most of the talking heads in the media today.

This is just more accuse others of what you are guilty of bullshit from the dems.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9Rc7qmWwAYZ9Ra.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9Rc-Z-XoAMYQwe.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9RdDjvXkAAfvIr.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D9RdHjjXUAAmWt1.png

Interesting how like McCain as soon as the real dirt start's coming out she drops dead of cancer (June 2019).....

sugilite

5th November 2019, 10:10

^^ Some deranged unhinged shit right there, would hate to live in this guys world :weird::weird::weird:

austingtir

5th November 2019, 10:57

^^ Some deranged unhinged shit right there, would hate to live in this guys world :weird::weird::weird:

No just the scum you are posting on here as being righteous. But the facts prove otherwise.

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/a5/6d/c3/a56dc31b93f38b900e48d021f9ce4b9d.jpg

Woodman

5th November 2019, 11:48

No just the scum you are posting on here as being righteous. But the facts prove otherwise.

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/a5/6d/c3/a56dc31b93f38b900e48d021f9ce4b9d.jpg

So he spent 2 years as an intern at the cia and is now a journalist, so that means he must be a cia asset.

Lol.

austingtir

5th November 2019, 11:52

So he spent 2 years as an intern at the cia and is now a journalist, so that means he must be a cia asset.

Lol.

If you look into the backgrounds of half the journos at CNN (and all the rest but the ones at CNN are particularly blatantly obvious) there heaps of them that have done stints at the CIA. Its a common theme.

And its not a coincidence.

The mockingbird media.......

Laava

5th November 2019, 11:57

So he spent 2 years as an intern at the cia and is now a journalist, so that means he must be a cia asset.

Lol.
No, he spent two summers. Six months. Fuck all. Prob making tea for the big boys and sweeping the floor.

sugilite

5th November 2019, 12:17

Come on Laava, Cooper is a top secret CIA asset. The only people that know this secret is Austin, and people with access to Wikipedia, so shhhhhh :msn-wink:

austingtir

5th November 2019, 13:02

LOL he's going on about CNN right this second.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnSTLWLVBbo

sugilite

5th November 2019, 14:38

LOL he's going on about CNN right this second.

So easily distracted, and God forbid he talk about policy or how he is feasibly going to fix very real issues the American people face. Shallowest president ever by quite some margin.

It turns out all a drug dealer /human trafficer needs to do to beat Trumps big beautiful wall is pop down to the local hardware store for a reciprocating saw
https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/117129102/smugglers-are-sawing-through-new-sections-of-donald-trumps-border-wall
Yet another Trump failure
Sad

austingtir

5th November 2019, 14:42

So easily distracted, and God forbid he talk about policy or how he is feasibly going to fix very real issues the American people face. Shallowest president ever by quite some margin.

It turns out all a drug dealer /human trafficer needs to do to beat Trumps big beautiful wall is pop down to the local hardware store for a reciprocating saw
https://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/117129102/smugglers-are-sawing-through-new-sections-of-donald-trumps-border-wall
Yet another Trump failure
Sad

LMAO

The wall is called a deterrent.

The mere fact they had to goto the local hardware store and buy tools to get through it is even lost on you.

+ im pretty sure they changed the design recently to include concrete in the bollard to prevent exactly this.

What they should do is have a 50 meter buffer zone of shoot on sight. Problem solved.

Laava

5th November 2019, 14:49

Come on Laava, Cooper is a top secret CIA asset. The only people that know this secret is Austin, and people with access to Wikipedia, so shhhhhh :msn-wink:
OK, mums the word!
Am off to Obamas birthplace next week for a holiday. Is the only part of that godawful cuntry I can bring myself to visit nowadays. Hope I don't get "accidentally shot" by one of the gun totin' liberal jesus freaks with red hats or the cops.

austingtir

5th November 2019, 15:11

OK, mums the word!
Am off to Obamas birthplace next week for a holiday. Is the only part of that godawful cuntry I can bring myself to visit nowadays. Hope I don't get "accidentally shot" by one of the gun totin' liberal jesus freaks with red hats or the cops.

If you're going anywhere but Kenya you are going to the wrong place!

pritch

5th November 2019, 15:43

^^ Some deranged unhinged shit right there, would hate to live in this guys world :weird::weird::weird:

Yeah. MAGAts are truly insane, they'll believe any nonsense. Hillary Clinton is a mass murderer, she ran a child sex ring in the basement of a pizza place, arrests are imminent in a huge international child sex conspiracy. Although that story having been running for a couple of years now they are rather misusing the word 'imminent'. NASA are kidnapping children and sending them to Mars where their organs are harvested. Then there's Benghazi, Uranium One, and a conspiracy theory about a missing DNC server in Ukraine. If all else fails, there's always (gasp!) her emails.

(Trump supporters do seem to have an unhealthy interest in child sex though.)

Yet they've got a criminal mental case in the White House and they think he's a Christian. :wacko:

Laava

5th November 2019, 16:10

Yet they've got a criminal mental case in the White House and they think he's a Christian. :wacko:
Those two ailments often go hand in hand. Esp in the cathlick clergy.

Woodman

5th November 2019, 16:37

If you look into the backgrounds of half the journos at CNN (and all the rest but the ones at CNN are particularly blatantly obvious) there heaps of them that have done stints at the CIA. Its a common theme.

And its not a coincidence.

The mockingbird media.......

So heaps of half the journalists at CNN have worked at the cia? What percentage is heaps?

jasonu

5th November 2019, 17:20

OK, mums the word!
Am off to Obamas birthplace next week for a holiday. Is the only part of that godawful cuntry I can bring myself to visit nowadays. Hope I don't get "accidentally shot" by one of the gun totin' liberal jesus freaks with red hats or the cops.

Fuck mate that's a joke. I've been there. Hawaii looks like Mangere and Otara with nice beaches.
Have you actually visited the states proper? A week in Disneyland doesn't count.

austingtir

5th November 2019, 17:21

So heaps of half the journalists at CNN have worked at the cia? What percentage is heaps?

Its inconsequential weather they worked there OR are handled by the CIA.

What you will find is some of them have previously worked at the CIA and thats not difficult to find info on its all online and easy to find proof of like Cooper. The more difficult ones to prove are obviously the ones that are directly handled by the CIA.

Obviously upper management and ceo's would be the more obvious ones taking orders like the one currently at CNN.

So heaps or half whatever the number is there are a shit load of them.

They were doing this back in the 60's under an operation called operation mockingbird. This stuff is not new and its even more pervasive and obvious since obama and co changed the law in 2012 to allow the media to propagandize the US people.

Laava

5th November 2019, 18:14

Fuck mate that's a joke. I've been there. Hawaii looks like Mangere and Otara with nice beaches.
Have you actually visited the states proper? A week in Disneyland doesn't count.
Yeah, I am not going there because it,s awesome, but at least you have made it sound better than LA. Yeah there are some nice places if you stay out of the shithole cities... get absolutely sick of listening to the dumbarse yankee girls whose conversational skills barely go beyond "oh my god!" and "like" every second word.

sugilite

5th November 2019, 19:32

LMAO

The wall is called a deterrent.

The mere fact they had to goto the local hardware store and buy tools to get through it is even lost on you.

So the multi, multi billion dollar wall forces the baddies to buy a $100 dollar saw - yep, sounds like that idea came straight from "Mr Art of the deal".

+ im pretty sure they changed the design recently to include concrete in the bollard to prevent exactly this.

Stunning development, now the baddies will need to go buy a $80 ladder :facepalm:

So heaps of half the journalists at CNN have worked at the cia? What percentage is heaps?
And a good percentage of Trump staffers are ex Fox staff. Trump needs all the spin he can get! The master of Trump spin is if course our very own Austin. I swear if Trump went and laid a big smelly dump on Austins front porch, Austin would be spinning it to something like Trump left him some awesome fertilizer to put on his garden :laugh::laugh::laugh:

austingtir

5th November 2019, 20:36

And a good percentage of Trump staffers are ex Fox staff. Trump needs all the spin he can get! The master of Trump spin is if course our very own Austin. I swear if Trump went and laid a big smelly dump on Austins front porch, Austin would be spinning it to something like Trump left him some awesome fertilizer to put on his garden :laugh::laugh::laugh:

Beats the citibank turds that paid Obama's way into the white house that were funded by the same saudi prince that likely shot up the the mandalay bay hotel in vegas.

sugilite

5th November 2019, 20:48

^^ Letting his LCS get the better of him, you are frothing again Austin.
Leftist
Conspiracy
Syndrome

austingtir

5th November 2019, 23:40

^^ Letting his LCS get the better of him, you are frothing again Austin.
Leftist
Conspiracy
Syndrome

CS you say?

This is some of Alex's best work if I do say so:

https://www.waynedupree.com/alex-jones-hillary-book-signing/

https://youtu.be/Yl_nFabxLcA

Funny shit look at the state of those hillary supporters... they are like clones of her. Colostomy bags and all!!!

http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/file.php?40,file=244339,filename=charlton_heston_m ake_america_great.gif

jasonu

6th November 2019, 03:22

Yeah, I am not going there because it,s awesome, but at least you have made it sound better than LA. Yeah there are some nice places if you stay out of the shithole cities... get absolutely sick of listening to the dumbarse yankee girls whose conversational skills barely go beyond "oh my god!" and "like" every second word.

Yep LA is Americas Auckland, a big toilet.

sugilite

6th November 2019, 10:11

CS you say?

This is some of Alex's best work if I do say so:

Funny shit look at the state of those hillary supporters... they are like clones of her. Colostomy bags and all!!!

Funny video in actual fact, but I'm quite sure the right wing supporting Americans look a lot like the left wing mob :mellow:

And, that "tank" as they call it in the video title looks a lot like a standard truck with a plastic body kit. Sums up the authenticity of drongos like Alex quite succinctly. Cheap on the outside and very little substance on the inside :yes"
Was it not him that had to recant in court and apologize and recant his despicable portrayal of the sandy hook massacre being faked? Your hero is pure scum Austin, you seem to collect scum bag "heros".

onearmedbandit

6th November 2019, 10:37

Yep LA is Americas Auckland, a big toilet.

When I stayed in Orange County for 3 months a couple years back (my first trip to the States) I wanted to go check out LA. Everyone I spoke to in OC told me not to waste my time, that it wasn't a nice city. I'm glad I went, stayed there for 3 nights, but boy they were right. Interesting place still.

austingtir

6th November 2019, 10:52

Funny video in actual fact, but I'm quite sure the right wing supporting Americans look a lot like the left wing mob :mellow:

And, that "tank" as they call it in the video title looks a lot like a standard truck with a plastic body kit. Sums up the authenticity of drongos like Alex quite succinctly. Cheap on the outside and very little substance on the inside :yes"
Was it not him that had to recant in court and apologize and recant his despicable portrayal of the sandy hook massacre being faked? Your hero is pure scum Austin, you seem to collect scum bag "heros".

I dont care about Alex jones either way I just think the guy is hilarious.

He's a performance actor and is good for a laugh but he also does say some legit shit... its just a shame he has to act like a raving lunatic to get his message across. Its effective though and he has millions of followers. As long as he keeps from mentioning lizard people and interdimensional shape shifters he's usually not to bad.

The fact of the matter is he's "possibly" been wrong about one thing and theres really no evidence either way.
The whole sandy hook thing was a concerted effort by the deepstate to shut him up because the stuff he is saying hurts them alot.

Look into what he's been right about including Epstein OVER 10 YEARS AGO!!!

Nobody can deny he's a patriotic american.

He's got a bit of work to do to top his Piers Morgan interview though.... "Hugo chavez took the guns, 1776 WILL COMMENCE AGAIN!!!!" LMFAO

https://youtu.be/jIJubiy9uaM

This interview is solid gold:

"How many chimpanzee's can dance on the head of a pin"

sugilite

6th November 2019, 14:08

I'm looking forward to finding out why he is so desperate to hide his tax returns :corn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PciXRL2UcBU

Banditbandit

6th November 2019, 15:01

If you're going anywhere but Kenya you are going to the wrong place!

Hahaha .. boy you are dumb ..

And Trump was born in Pakistan ..

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/trump-born-in-pakistan-2k0cvhkpx

sugilite

6th November 2019, 15:08

Well Hoooooly shit Bandit, that certainly casts a light over the situation. All this time Trump has been a deep Taleban operative! :shifty:

austingtir

6th November 2019, 16:22

I'm looking forward to finding out why he is so desperate to hide his tax returns :corn:

Napolitano is the biggest sook i have ever seen Trump didnt select him for supreme court and he's been butt hurt ever since.

austingtir

6th November 2019, 16:28

Flynn was going audit intel agencies.... thats why the deepstate tried to take him out.

https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2019/10/25/lee-smith-deep-state-used-criminal-conspiracy-to-stop-flynns-audit-of-intelligence-agencies/

A world of hurt is coming for the deepstate. they have been exposed as the frauds they are in the last few weeks.

"bUt DrUmPhFs tAX rEtUrnS Reeeeeeeeeeeee"

sugilite

6th November 2019, 16:53

Napolitano is the biggest sook i have ever seen Trump didnt select him for supreme court and he's been butt hurt ever since.
Pay back is a bitch - Trump desperate to keep those tax returns hidden - You know that is for a reason eh Austin?

Meanwhile, another worm turns and another nail getting driven in to the Trump coffin.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/117214887/major-blow-to-us-president-donald-trump-as-top-diplomat-reverses-his-impeachment-testimony

austingtir

6th November 2019, 17:06

Pay back is a bitch - Trump desperate to keep those tax returns hidden - You know that is for a reason eh Austin?

Meanwhile, another worm turns and another nail getting driven in to the Trump coffin.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/117214887/major-blow-to-us-president-donald-trump-as-top-diplomat-reverses-his-impeachment-testimony

Just more grasping at straws.....

Que 641034124th wE gOt DrUmPH this time!!!!!!

sugilite

6th November 2019, 17:28

Just more grasping at straws.....

Trumps hand picked man, who just happened to donate a million dollars to his campaign gives damming evidense on the illegal quid pro quo.
Pretty big straw pal.
But you just keep dreaming the dream that Trump is actually a good honest president :weird::weird::weird:

Laava

6th November 2019, 18:03

Meanwhile, another worm turns and another nail getting driven in to the Trump coffin.

Just a shame the coffin is made in america, it is gonna need a shitload of nails to hold it together if they can even find a decent qualified, non immigrant tradesman...
meanwhile, the seppos get the std of politicians they deserve!

sugilite

6th November 2019, 18:40

Woodman

6th November 2019, 18:47

The fuckwit pulled out of the Paris accord. Fuckwit, doesn't give a fuck, Says it all really.

austingtir

6th November 2019, 18:58

Keep dreaming the impossible Dream Austin
Trump flew in to support the Republican Governor in one of the reddest states in the USA and they LOST. In 2016 Trump won Kentucky by over 30. Looks like the American people are finally waking up. Roll on 2020 and bye bye Trump. The Dems could put a trained chimp in and win at this point.

LMFAO you will believe ANYTHING.

Reddest state my ass.

Dems have held that state 13 out of 16 times!!!! And they only just scraped through this time!!! Not looking good for you boyo!

https://i.imgur.com/EzGT7RI.jpg

sugilite

6th November 2019, 19:09

LMFAO you will believe ANYTHING.

Reddest state my ass.

The sad part for you is - in 2016 it was very red, and no it is not :violin:
Sux to be a republican in Kentucky now, Mitch McConnell is on his way out too.
I've told you of my first hand experience living in a red state, and I told you people are sick and tired of his drama and lies. This is the tip of the spear. Roll on 2020. :Punk:

pritch

6th November 2019, 19:52

The fuckwit pulled out of the Paris accord. Fuckwit, doesn't give a fuck, Says it all really.

Yeah. That notification starts the official withdrawal process which will be completed the day after the 2020 election. That might seem like clever timing but it's probably not. The idiot in chief doesn't do clever.

pritch

6th November 2019, 19:59

Mitch McConnell is on his way out too.

McConnell said the other day that the Senate would not vote to remove Trump from office. Shite poll numbers and election defeats excepted of course.

Republicans in several southern shithole states lost their jobs. There will be chill drafts of realisation circulating in the Senate.

sugilite

6th November 2019, 20:48

Sorry to go off topic and mention motorcycles, but it just struck me that this wee little dog has more motorcycle cred than austingtir :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0fGgonDxN0

austingtir

6th November 2019, 20:54

Sorry to go off topic and mention motorcycles, but it just struck me that this wee little dog has more motorcycle cred than austingtir :laugh:

Its a good thing for me then that I have more Rant and rave cred than you then huh?

I mean you make it pretty obvious how butt hurt you are about my posts on here so why would I stop?

https://i.imgur.com/up5gqVv.gif

pritch

6th November 2019, 21:14

sugilite

6th November 2019, 22:34

Its a good thing for me then that I have more Rant and rave cred than you then huh?

As voted by yourself, and speaking of which it just proves on KB, your just a sad lonely voice in the wilderness Austin :yes:
Too add to that, you are as fake as your hero. Your profile says you have an Aprillia, but in reality you actually have a broken neglected FZR250, which you should pass along to someone that will actually do something with it.

sugilite

6th November 2019, 22:38

Just saw something that brought me joy. You may remember a photograph of a woman cyclist flipping the bird at the presidential motorcade. She was subsequently fired from her job for this heinous crime. In the current elections though, she has defeated the Republican incumbent for a seat on her county board.

Hehehe, that is poetic justice right there. After losing The governorship in Kentucky earlier today, maybe the other republicans will realize now the poison chalice that Trump has become and will be sharpening up their knives for the impeachment ambush Trump could now well receive.
I would still like to see him demolished in 2020, but a good ole lynching by his own party would be a close second place :second:

jasonu

7th November 2019, 05:03

I've told you of my first hand experience living in a red state, and I told you people are sick and tired of his drama and lies. This is the tip of the spear. Roll on 2020. :Punk:

Do you think these people will vote for Warren, the likely next Democrat POTUS candidate, because
A. They like her
B. She is a democrat
or
C. She is not Donald Trump and would vote for anyone that also isn't Donald Trump.

sugilite

7th November 2019, 06:21

Do you think these people will vote for Warren, the likely next Democrat POTUS candidate, because
A. They like her
B. She is a democrat
or
C. She is not Donald Trump and would vote for anyone that also isn't Donald Trump.

I would imagine it would be a combination of all 3.

sugilite

7th November 2019, 06:26

Who would of thought a huge unaffordable tax cut for the rich would not trickle down to the rest of the population... That's right, just about every economist at the time Trump signed off on it.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12282408

oldrider

7th November 2019, 08:04

The only parties that ever benefit from any politicians actions are those that back them "financially" - never been any different. - :corn:

jasonu

7th November 2019, 08:28

I would imagine it would be a combination of all 3.

If they do go with Warren I predict they will loose heavier than last time.

TheDemonLord

7th November 2019, 08:40

sugilite

7th November 2019, 08:47

If they do go with Warren I predict they will loose heavier than last time.
I'm no Warren fan, to be brutally honest, I'm not much of a fan of any of them. Thought mayor Pete had potential, but I'm going a bit off him too.

However, having said that, I still feel Trump is worse than all of them. The day before Trump flew into Kentucky, his guy was 5 points up in polls. After Trumps rally he lost those points and subsequently the election. Trump really is a poison chalice now and all the republicans currently riding on his coat tails are in for a very unpleasant ride. In my opinion if course.

austingtir

7th November 2019, 09:08

The day before Trump flew into Kentucky, his guy was 5 points up in polls. After Trumps rally he lost those points and subsequently the election. Trump really is a poison chalice now and all the republicans currently riding on his coat tails are in for a very unpleasant ride. In my opinion if course.

BOOM!!!!!!

Gov. Bevin officially requests recanvas in general election (A recanvass is not a recount they are going to actually check the machines for "anomalies")

https://www.wkyt.com/content/news/Gov-Bevin-officially-requests-recanvass-in-general-election-564567581.html

VOTER FRAUD!!!! 100%

GOP-Attorney General got --- 823k VOTES
GOP-Agriculture Commissioner Got --- 821k VOTES
GOP - Treasurer GOT --- 855K VOTES

And then the
GOP Governor - ONLY GOT --- 704k VOTES
and the DEMOCRAT WON with 708k VOTES

THERE IS NO WAY IN THE WORLD
THOSE VOTERS WHO VOTED FOR
GOP-Attorney General,
GOP-Agriculture Commissioner,
GOP - Treasurer
DID NOT FOR
THE GOP GOVERNOR !!!!
Bevin, Matthew won in a LANDSLIDE and he KNOWS IT!!

https://www.wdrb.com/news/next-steps-for-bevin-after-refusing-to-concede-defeat-in/article_e068f778-0091-11ea-9229-0315606891ff.html

"Bevin also noted that he faced a similar situation during the last election, and was ultimately declared the winner. "

https://web.archive.org/web/20191106042309/https:/twitter.com/Overlordkraken1/status/1191892891238576128

Sugilefticle =
https://media0.giphy.com/media/u8u0R51ND9L2/giphy.gif

oldrider

7th November 2019, 09:42

Dr Corsi "CIA Runs The Drug Cartel"
7,146 views •5 Nov 2019

<iframe width="903" height="508" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/d1Bvx4q7fDM" frameborder="0" allow="accelerometer; autoplay; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture" allowfullscreen></iframe>

austingtir

7th November 2019, 09:48

Dr Corsi "CIA Runs The Drug Cartel"
7,146 views •5 Nov 2019

Why do you think Trump is now saying he's going to go after the cartels directly and offered the mexican pres the US military to go after them?

But of course the mexican pres (who will be getting his strings pulled by the cartels/CIA said no.....)

If anyone believe's all the stuff that has happened in the last three years in coincidence then they must of evolved from cabbages or something.

The deepstate/cia attacks Trump and he attacks them back.

Its going to be funny as shit if Trump just does a Bin laden style raid across the border and fucks all the cartels up royally as thats whats likely to happen next imo.

sugilite

7th November 2019, 10:29

BOOM!!!!!!

VOTER FRAUD!!!! 100%

THERE IS NO WAY IN THE WORLD
THOSE VOTERS WHO VOTED FOR

WEEEEEEE!!!! :headbang::banana::clap: Austin, your epic melt down is waaaay better than any fireworks I saw on Guy Fawkes night - can hardly wait till Trump gets impeached and removed, or voted out in 2020. If your reaction to this is anything to go by, I'm definitly going to have 40 gallon drums of popcorn on standby :lol::lol::lol::jerry::jerry::jerry:

Why do you think Trump is now saying he's going to go after the cartels directly and offered the mexican pres the US military to go after them?

But of course the mexican pres (who will be getting his strings pulled by the cartels/CIA said no.....)

OR, the Mexican president has seen how Trump has been treating "allies" of late :rolleyes:

jasonu

7th November 2019, 11:42

Just saw something that brought ppl me joy. You may remember a photograph of a woman cyclist flipping the bird at the presidential motorcade.
She subsequently quit her job

Fixed for accuracy.

pritch

7th November 2019, 11:43

Voter fraud is very rare in the US of A, unlike electoral fraud which is common. The Governor who got the arse was one of those who been making healthcare cover difficult to access. That, and a visit from Trump, would be enough to sink anybody’s chances.

pritch

7th November 2019, 11:52

Hehehe, that is poetic justice right there. After losing The governorship in Kentucky earlier today, maybe the other republicans will realize now the poison chalice that Trump has become and will be sharpening up their knives for the impeachment ambush Trump could now well receive.I would still like to see him demolished in 2020, but a good ole lynching by his own party would be a close second place :second:

Here is a refresher for anyone who needs it.
https://time.com/5719601/juli-briskman-trump-middle-finger-virginia-election/

sugilite

7th November 2019, 12:56

Fixed for accuracy.
Are you sure about that?
https://time.com/5228865/juli-briskman-donald-trump-middle-finger-lawsuit/

austingtir

7th November 2019, 13:06

Oh look its the "whistleblower"..... nah he wont be biased at all.

http://is2.4chan.org/pol/1573086125190.jpg

These deepstaters are a complete joke.

No wonder they didnt want this clowns identity to come out.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/11/06/eric-ciaramella-attorney-january-2017-coup-has-started-july-2017-we-will-remove-him/

Mueller Coup= failed
Whistleblower Coup = failed

Thats a wrap boyos 2020 is a done deal.

sugilite

7th November 2019, 13:51

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2019/11/06/eric-ciaramella-attorney-january-2017-coup-has-started-july-2017-we-will-remove-him/

What a bunch of speculative (at best) twaddle :nya:
For sure you have many kindred <del>Kooks</del> spirits there though Austin

jasonu

7th November 2019, 14:09

Are you sure about that?
https://time.com/5228865/juli-briskman-donald-trump-middle-finger-lawsuit/

From my local CNN affiliated news station.
When I first read it on the same site a couple of hours ago it said 'subsequently quit her job'.
Now it says summat different.
Who can tell
https://www.ktvz.com/news/politics/cyclist-who-flipped-off-trump-motorcade-wins-local-office-in-virginia/1139582691

sugilite

7th November 2019, 14:14

From my local CNN affiliated news station.
When I first read it on the same site a couple of hours ago it said 'subsequently quit her job'.
Now it says summat different.
Who can tell
https://www.ktvz.com/news/politics/cyclist-who-flipped-off-trump-motorcade-wins-local-office-in-virginia/1139582691
I read the article you linked to twice, but cannot find a reference anywhere to her quitting her job. What am I missing here?

Banditbandit

7th November 2019, 14:35

From my local CNN affiliated news station.
When I first read it on the same site a couple of hours ago it said 'subsequently quit her job'.
Now it says summat different.
Who can tell
https://www.ktvz.com/news/politics/cyclist-who-flipped-off-trump-motorcade-wins-local-office-in-virginia/1139582691

I read the article you linked to twice, but cannot find a reference anywhere to her quitting her job. What am I missing here?

I've seen both - quit and fired .. who cares? She got elected.

Banditbandit

7th November 2019, 14:38

I read the article you linked to twice, but cannot find a reference anywhere to her quitting her job. What am I missing here?

The article itself is confusing - paragraph 1 says 'lost her job' paragraph 2 (her lawyer) says 'forced to resign' and paragraph 4 (quoting her) says 'got fired' ..

forced to resign is probably about it.

jasonu

7th November 2019, 14:41

I read the article you linked to twice, but cannot find a reference anywhere to her quitting her job. What am I missing here?

As I said. When I first read it a couple of hours ago on the exact same site it said 'she subsequently quit her job'. I guess it has been up dated, re worded, changed.....

austingtir

7th November 2019, 15:11

What a bunch of speculative (at best) twaddle :nya:
For sure you have many kindred <del>Kooks</del> spirits there though Austin

The entire deepstate narritive is blowing up in their face big league right now.

Trump just finished a rally where he stood in front of thousands of people and pointed out exactly the bullshit behind this "whistleblower" who is just another TDS lunatic like yourself. Here's his lawyer in 2017 plotting the coup.

The Democratic operative attorney representing the anti-Trump whistleblower vowed to "get rid of Trump", and said that the "#coup has started" in 2017 tweets.

Mark Zaid, the John Podesta, Clinton and Schumer-linked attorney who founded the anti-Trump nonprofit 'Whistleblower Aid' in 2017, tweeted "It's very scary. We will get rid of him, and this country is strong enough to survive even him and his supporters. We have to."

He also tweeted "#coup has started" after former AG Sally Yates was fired for "refusing to enforce a legal order" from Trump.
The Democratic operative attorney representing the anti-Trump whistleblower vowed to "get rid of Trump", and said that the "#coup has started" in 2017 tweets.

Mark Zaid, the John Podesta, Clinton and Schumer-linked attorney who founded the anti-Trump nonprofit 'Whistleblower Aid' in 2017, tweeted "It's very scary. We will get rid of him, and this country is strong enough to survive even him and his supporters. We have to."

He also tweeted "#coup has started" after former AG Sally Yates was fired for "refusing to enforce a legal order" from Trump.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EItOuHCX0AAL5K5?format=png&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C3dzHD5WIAIakGy?format=jpg&name=small

https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/1192095147242278912

https://twitter.com/MarkSZaidEsq/status/826262311560216578

Zaid is also founder and director of the James Madison Project, which still lists Democratic operative John Podesta as a member of its board in a hidden area of the website

https://zh-prod-1cc738ca-7d3b-4a72-b792-20bd8d8fa069.storage.googleapis.com/s3fs-public/styles/inline_image_desktop/public/inline-images/podesta%201.jpg?itok=E5YRZDQX

Cliffs =
The people sugilefticle has put his faith in are all idiots.

Libs- it's not a coup!

Mark Zaid- it's a coup!

Conservatives- Its a coup!

Libs- How is this a coo????

austingtir

7th November 2019, 15:22

The greatest political scandal in history is about to unravel for the world to see... (those of us that were paying attention in 2016 already knew all this)

IG report is coming going to be "explosive for the obama admin"... "For people at the highest levels of the fbi and highest levels of justice department its going to ruin careers"

"obama admin submitted illegitimate documentation to the fisa court"

"people are going to be indicted"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=NycT4Q6UtQo

austingtir

7th November 2019, 16:46

https://twitter.com/GregNorberg/stat...04170934788096

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIs0bDzVAAE2boe.jpg

BREAKING: Schiff Appears to Remove Transcript from
docs.house.gov After Forgetting to Redact the Name of the
Alleged 'Whistleblower' Eric Ciaramella

(Link now dead.)
link to docs.house.gov
(Link archived here.)
[link to http://web.archive.org/web/201911070...IG00-D008.pdf]

Benny
Verified account
@bennyjohnson

Um - why is Eric Ciaramella's name in the congressional
Impeachment testimony?

Dems said they would redact the name of the
"whistleblower."

2 explanations:

1. Ciaramella is not the whistleblower

2. Dems messed up BIG TIME & printed the name of the
leaker in their own document

(Relevant section of the transcript.)
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EIugEOdU4AA0GKI.jpg

Summary of Eric CIAramella:

https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9d88224ba03e7e86274c18660256dfd83289e26d2d25fdf72f e666461c697378.jpg

What great company these people keep.... This CIAramella's lawyers youtube account:

http://magaimg.net/img/9hud.jpg

https://streamable.com/06o3p

How you going to spin this one sugiCOPE?

pritch

7th November 2019, 18:09

forced to resign is probably about it.

That TIME article I linked says she subsequently received a settlement from the employer. That suggests either unjustified or constructive dismissal.

sugilite

7th November 2019, 18:50

The entire deepstate narritive is blowing up in their face big league right now.

The greatest political scandal in history is about to unravel for the world to see... (those of us that were paying attention in 2016 already knew all this)

Deep breaths Austin, there there. :rolleyes:

austingtir

7th November 2019, 23:22

Deep breaths Austin, there there. :rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/dTcAHZcg.jpg

sugilite

8th November 2019, 06:53

Cheer up Austin, and on a cheerful note, looks like suburban woman are going to have a large part in kicking your macho man to the curb :laugh::laugh::laugh:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/117224448/antitrump-fervour-sweeps-us-state-elections

Viking01

8th November 2019, 07:30

Probably the fault of those uncertified electronic voting machines.
I'd demand a recount.

sugilite

8th November 2019, 07:51

Such an honest family :pinch:
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/judge-orders-trump-pay-2-million-misusing-his-foundation-n1078306

"The settlement also included an admission from Trump that he personally misused foundation funds and called for mandatory training requirements for the now-defunct foundation's directors — Donald Trump Jr., Ivanka Trump and Eric Trump"

sugilite

8th November 2019, 09:42

Virginia is now officially a blue state - Democrats control both chambers in the legislature and governors office for the first time since 1993. Glug, Glug, Glug for Trump. Quick someone throw Austin a life ring, some one? Hello? Anybody??? :devil2:

Banditbandit

8th November 2019, 09:53

The entire deepstate narritive is blowing up in their face big league right now.

Trump just finished a rally where he stood in front of thousands of people and pointed out exactly the bullshit behind this "whistleblower" who is just another TDS lunatic like yourself. Here's his lawyer in 2017 plotting the coup.

The Democratic operative attorney representing the anti-Trump whistleblower vowed to "get rid of Trump", and said that the "#coup has started" in 2017 tweets.

Mark Zaid, the John Podesta, Clinton and Schumer-linked attorney who founded the anti-Trump nonprofit 'Whistleblower Aid' in 2017, tweeted "It's very scary. We will get rid of him, and this country is strong enough to survive even him and his supporters. We have to."

He also tweeted "#coup has started" after former AG Sally Yates was fired for "refusing to enforce a legal order" from Trump.
The Democratic operative attorney representing the anti-Trump whistleblower vowed to "get rid of Trump", and said that the "#coup has started" in 2017 tweets.

Mark Zaid, the John Podesta, Clinton and Schumer-linked attorney who founded the anti-Trump nonprofit 'Whistleblower Aid' in 2017, tweeted "It's very scary. We will get rid of him, and this country is strong enough to survive even him and his supporters. We have to."

He also tweeted "#coup has started" after former AG Sally Yates was fired for "refusing to enforce a legal order" from Trump.

Zaid is also founder and director of the James Madison Project, which still lists Democratic operative John Podesta as a member of its board in a hidden area of the website

Cliffs =
The people sugilefticle has put his faith in are all idiots.

Libs- it's not a coup!

Mark Zaid- it's a coup!

Conservatives- Its a coup!

Libs- How is this a coo????

Is that the smell of desparation in this post?

Little willie struggling with reality?

austingtir

8th November 2019, 10:50

Is that the smell of desparation in this post?

Little willie struggling with reality?

Nope just proving that you and your mate sugiCOPE are.

COPE harder boyos.

sugilite

8th November 2019, 13:25

Nope just proving that you and your mate sugiCOPE are.

COPE harder boyos.

I don't know about Pritch, but I'm coping just fine with all this Trump losing going on :lol:

austingtir

8th November 2019, 17:29

ABC News had a tough choice. Expose an international pedophile and sex trafficking ring involving the elites or get to interview Prince Harry and Meghan after their wedding.

https://i.redd.it/vwt9fna0xbx31.png

oldrider

11th November 2019, 10:09

53 Million Americans Drowning In Cycle Of Low-Wage Work:- :confused: - https://www.zerohedge.com/personal-finance/53-million-americans-drowning-cycle-low-wage-work - :shifty: - Now a "nightmare" of insurmountable debt :facepalm:

pritch

11th November 2019, 11:34

I don't know about Pritch, but I'm coping just fine with all this Trump losing going on :lol:

I've been having a few days away from all the insanity in the news. Back to reality now though.

I see Gym Jordan has got himself onto the Congressional Intelligence Committee. I wouldn't have considered him to be particularly intelligent but at least he isn't taking legal action against an imaginary cow like the guy he's replacing. By way of mitigation, Nunes' suing an imaginary cow is entirely consistent with his owning an imaginary farm.

Gym is a good choice to orchestrate a cover up. He covered up the sexual abuse of school boys under his charge for years. Last time there was a court case he slid out from under. Next time? Perhaps justice will finally be served. The Republicans will just have to find someone else of sufficiently low moral character for the Intelligence Committee. That shouldn't pose a problem.

Parts of that may read a bit weird to some of you, but under the 'very stable genius' weird is the new normal.

Oh! Then there's also the whistleblower. Trump and his sycophants (and the MAGAts) rant endlessly about the whistle blower. It's no good trying to explain it to them, from Trump down they're too dim to get it. For the brighter KB audience, the whistleblower is irrelevent now. He brought the crime to light. Since then career diplomats, a distinguished military officer, and others, have confirmed his details. Trump is clearly guilty of extortion.

Recent polls suggest that 50% of the US population now want Trump impeached and removed from office. There might be some interesting TV coming up as the hearings are televised? If the Democrats don't fuck it up.

Viking01

11th November 2019, 11:57

https://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2019/11/electronic-voting-machine-debacle-continues-in-2019-setting-dangerous-precedent-for-2020.html

austingtir

11th November 2019, 17:31

pete376403

11th November 2019, 18:28

A Soros owned company handles most of the voting machines and also had contracts to telly the votes. the entire thing is just absurd and was exposed years ago but not on the MSM.

They have proof of voter fraud in that election last week aswell BTW sugilte.

Anyway some on here were claiming Fox is in league with Trump.... Well why are they so worried about saying Eric CIAremella's name?
https://twitter.com/almsadventures/status/1193567857248014336

They are just as deepstate controlled as the rest of the media they are just better at hiding it.

ES&S are the largest voting machine manufacturer. Couldn't find anything on this page about Soros ownership, could you please detail where his "ownership" is concealed? Enquiring minds, etc... https://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/whomakes.htm

pritch

11th November 2019, 19:02

Well why are they so worried about saying Eric CIAremella's name?
That’s not difficult - for normal people. The name is supposed to be protected by law. Trump has never given much thought to the law.

austingtir

11th November 2019, 19:17

That’s not difficult - for normal people. The name is supposed to be protected by law. Trump has never given much thought to the law.

Wrong again.

There is nothing saying anyone cant name him. Which is why some have.

We have Epstein like control over the media having a light being shone on it because the MSM continues to lie and bullshit for the deepstate. And the likes of you and sugilite eat it up like chocolate shit.

Look at the looks on these stunned mullets when she says the name and the attempts afterwards to cover it up because they are like shit im going to loose my job over this shit!!!

https://youtu.be/7RIbUkV6tdQ

austingtir

11th November 2019, 19:32

ES&S are the largest voting machine manufacturer. Couldn't find anything on this page about Soros ownership, could you please detail where his "ownership" is concealed? Enquiring minds, etc... https://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/whomakes.htm

Seriously? You think your going to find links on the manufacturers page that werent scrubbed in 2016 when this originally came out?

https://conservativedailypost.com/soros-controlled-companies-are-providing-voting-machines-in-these-16-states/

And you should try duckduckgo when searching for stuff like this google scrubs it.

And this is the more standard voter fraud thats going on:

https://youtu.be/D0lGrnH-WK4

austingtir

11th November 2019, 19:48

This shows what a joke Schiff and these deepstate "whistleblowers" are:

These fuckers dont even know anything first hand they just watched the "news" and their TDS went haywire so they felt they "had" to testify.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aA-r_206plk

Just further proof schiffs coup is Dead On Arrival!!

sugilite

11th November 2019, 19:57

They have proof of voter fraud in that election last week aswell BTW sugilte.

Where is this "proof" of voter fraud you speak of?
And don't send me a link to one of those right wing circle jerk sites you like so much. There is very little fact or proof to be had there.

The whistle blower is by law allowed anonymity, how else are people expected to report wrong doings by their superiors without getting flailed alive by nut jobs like yourself.
Just for the record, the law applies to Right and Left leaning people.
Just like your hero, as soon as a law is inconvenient you spout it is not a law!

austingtir

11th November 2019, 19:58

Where is this "proof" of voter fraud you speak of?
And don't send me a link to one of those right wing circle jerk sites you like so much. There is very little fact or proof to be had there.

The whistle blower is by law allowed anonymity, how else are people expected to report wrong doings by their superiors without getting flailed alive by nut jobs like yourself.
Just for the record, the law applies to Right and Left leaning people.
Just like your hero, as soon as a law is inconvenient you spout it is not a law!

It doesnt matter what I post because your TDS will get the better of you everytime.

sugilite

11th November 2019, 20:11

It doesnt matter what I post because your TDS will get the better of you everytime.
Yes, I agree, you got nothing when you get called out. :baby:

austingtir

11th November 2019, 20:15

Yes, I agree, you got nothing when you get called out. :baby:

I already posted it and you couldnt refute a word of it.

Try again.

sugilite

11th November 2019, 20:18

I already posted it and you couldnt refute a word of it.

Try again.
Nope, I have not seen you post any evidence of proof. A shit done of speculation and hearsay, but not one dot of verifiable fact.

austingtir

11th November 2019, 20:27

Nope, I have not seen you post any evidence of proof. A shit done of speculation and hearsay, but not one dot of verifiable fact.

Epstein didnt kill himself. Thats not verifiable fact either is it? Clown.

sugilite

11th November 2019, 20:30

Epstein didnt kill himself. Thats not verifiable fact either is it? Clown.
Austin, I have never mentioned Epstein even once on KB. You are even more fucked up than normal - you off your meds or what?

austingtir

11th November 2019, 20:32

Austin, I have never mentioned Epstein even once on KB. You are even more fucked up than normal - you off your meds or what?

The point im trying to make which obviously flew right over your head as everything else im sure does as well. Is that this is a forum of opinions hence its called rant and rave.

You have your opinion and I have mine and you have done exactly zero to change my opinion.

End of story.

https://imgflip.com/i/3fygwn

sugilite

11th November 2019, 20:38

The point im trying to make which obviously flew right over your head as everything else im sure does as well. Is that this is a forum of opinions hence its called rant and rave.

You have your opinion and I have mine and you have done exactly zero to change my opinion.

End of story.
Right got it, so when you say you are presenting verified fact, you are actually just giving your opinion. :rolleyes:

austingtir

11th November 2019, 20:39

Right got it, so when you say you are presenting verified fact, you are actually just giving your opinion. :rolleyes:

Thats your opinion...

https://i.imgur.com/lo1CiW9.jpg

sugilite

11th November 2019, 20:45

Thats your opinion...

I'm not trying to change your mind Austin. There is no point as you are completely devoid of any capability of critical thinking.
Austins total capacity of critical thinking = Duuuuh, ok it is right leaning, it must be true. Duuuuuh, it is left leaning it must be like.....false - duhhhhhhh :facepalm:

Austin making as much sense as his hero tonight.
Clearly in the video below, he shows he does not want the whistle blower to remain anonymous, as he cannot pronounce the word :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG8r_z5yukE

austingtir

11th November 2019, 21:10

I'm not trying to change your mind Austin. There is no point as you are completely devoid of any capability of critical thinking.
Austins total capacity of critical thinking = Duuuuh, ok it is right leaning, it must be true. Duuuuuh, it is left leaning it must be like.....false - duhhhhhhh :facepalm:

Austin making as much sense as his hero tonight.
Clearly in the video below, he shows he does not want the whistle blower to remain anonymous, as he cannot pronounce the word :lol:

I dunno what you've got to laugh at. Your Coup is being run by a bumbling idiot that couldnt even keep an anonymous "whistleblower" anonymous.

You fail!

sugilite

11th November 2019, 21:15

I dunno what you've got to laugh at. Your Coup is being run by a bumbling idiot that couldnt even keep an anonymous "whistleblower" anonymous.

You fail!
LOL, "your coup" :rolleyes:
Your frothing again Austin :drool:

pritch

12th November 2019, 07:51

On other social media I don't even try to argue with members of the Trump cult. I just block them. If it's a bot I block it and report it. Most of these people have lost their sense of reason, if they ever had one, but the saddest cases are easily identified by certain words and phrases: George Soros, deep state, tds, election fraud or MAGA. These and others are a give away.

At least on KB we can put them on ignore.

jasonu

12th November 2019, 08:19

austingtir

12th November 2019, 08:41

That’s a sure fire way to win an argument. Put anyone with a different opinion on ignore until it is just you left

Their TDS gets the better of them everytime.....

austingtir

12th November 2019, 09:13

This is why Tillerson and Kelly got the boot. Scumbags.

https://www.oann.com/nikki-haley-former-cabinet-members-told-me-to-resist-president-trump/

sugilite

12th November 2019, 10:30

This is why Tillerson and Kelly got the boot. Scumbags.

https://www.oann.com/nikki-haley-former-cabinet-members-told-me-to-resist-president-trump/

In the 2nd paragraph of that article “With All Due Respect.” She said Kelly and Tillerson “confided in me that when they resisted the president, they weren’t being insubordinate — they were trying to save the country.”
Yeah dirty dogs trying to save their country from a boorish completely unqualified incompetent President.
Who picked them for their posts Austin? Who hand picked the many, many staff since sacked? Trump did. If he were a CEO of any large company he would of been sacked by the board long, long ago. Why does he pick so many people who end up working against him? Why can he not inspire loyalty once these people see how he operates? I'm just gently leading you to a spot of critical thinking, try it some time, you may find it very illuminating.

TheDemonLord

12th November 2019, 10:35

In the 2nd paragraph of that article “With All Due Respect.” She said Kelly and Tillerson “confided in me that when they resisted the president, they weren’t being insubordinate — they were trying to save the country.”
Yeah dirty dogs trying to save their country from a boorish completely unqualified incompetent President.
Who picked them for their posts Austin? Who hand picked the many, many staff since sacked? Trump did. If he were a CEO of any large company he would of been sacked by the board long, long ago. Why does he pick so many people who end up working against him? Why can he not inspire loyalty once these people see how he operates? I'm just gently leading you to a spot of critical thinking, try it some time, you may find it very illuminating.

The problem with that statement, is that Trump has been running multiple businesses successfully, since the 1970s.

Kinds runs contrary to the 'if he were a CEO...' point.

Furthermore, to the excerpt you quoted (CBF reading the thing), by what right do those that are resisting the President get to do so? This is much the same attitude as is happening with Brexit - that the great unwashed masses must be saved from themselves by the enlightened intelligencia.

austingtir

12th November 2019, 10:46

In the 2nd paragraph of that article “With All Due Respect.” She said Kelly and Tillerson “confided in me that when they resisted the president, they weren’t being insubordinate — they were trying to save the country.”
Yeah dirty dogs trying to save their country from a boorish completely unqualified incompetent President.
Who picked them for their posts Austin? Who hand picked the many, many staff since sacked? Trump did. If he were a CEO of any large company he would of been sacked by the board long, long ago. Why does he pick so many people who end up working against him? Why can he not inspire loyalty once these people see how he operates? I'm just gently leading you to a spot of critical thinking, try it some time, you may find it very illuminating.

All it proves is the swamp runs DEEP.

It's at the point where it almost doesnt matter who he selects they are going to have some interest or other group pulling their strings.

Thats how corrupt the washington circuit is.

Those that dont submit to the deepstate get handled like General Flynn.

sugilite

12th November 2019, 11:35

The problem with that statement, is that Trump has been running multiple businesses successfully, since the 1970s.

Kinds runs contrary to the 'if he were a CEO...' point.

Furthermore, to the excerpt you quoted (CBF reading the thing), by what right do those that are resisting the President get to do so? This is much the same attitude as is happening with Brexit - that the great unwashed masses must be saved from themselves by the enlightened intelligencia.

Yes, I realized that he ran companies since the 70's, however I also suspect he owned the companies, thus there was no board to sack him. Speculation yes, can't be fucked researching - also yes.

When you have a President running rough shod over the constitution like this one is, then yes, Government staff that have also sworn an oath to the constitution should definitely run counter to said presidents illegal operations.

TheDemonLord

12th November 2019, 11:52

When you have a President running rough shod over the constitution like this one is, then yes, Government staff that have also sworn an oath to the constitution should definitely run counter to said presidents illegal operations.

When I see a successful impeachment for breaching the Constitution, then we'll talk ;)

sugilite

12th November 2019, 12:49

When I see a successful impeachment for breaching the Constitution, then we'll talk ;)
Fair enough - even though he has basically admitted what he is being impeached on. But for fun, think about how much unconstitutional shit he has got away with that only his internal staff know about! We are talking about a man whose companies have been sued more than 3000 times. There is that saying where there is smoke their is fire. :msn-wink:

In a hypothetical case, lets say Trump ordered a high quality bespoke made exhaust for his Mercedes off Austin. Dollars to donuts he would not pay for it, and tell Austin to deal with his lawyers. He is infamous for not paying the little contractor. Though I'm pretty sure Austin would still keep the Trump pinup posters he has on his bedroom wall :lol:

TheDemonLord

12th November 2019, 13:05

Fair enough - even though he has basically admitted what he is being impeached on. But for fun, think about how much unconstitutional shit he has got away with that only his internal staff know about!

My Honest answer is probably around the same ball park as every other President in US history, although things like the Invasion of Iraq, the 5 Eyes surveillance setup etc. I'd even go so far to say probably LESS than every other president in recent US history....

We are talking about a man whose companies have been sued more than 3000 times. There is that saying where there is smoke their is fire. :msn-wink:

3000 times, for 500 companies some of which have been around for 30 years - that's nothing!

I once did IT for a Real Estate/rental company who said words to the effect of 'If we don't have a current lawsuit, we aren't doing things properly' (although I should point out that the context of this comment was to do with evicting shitty tenants)

In a hypothetical case, lets say Trump ordered a high quality bespoke made exhaust for his Mercedes off Austin. Dollars to donuts he would not pay for it, and tell Austin to deal with his lawyers. He is infamous for not paying the little contractor. Though I'm pretty sure Austin would still keep the Trump pinup posters he has on his bedroom wall :lol:

I know of people like that, some people who look at a contract and reason that it is cheaper to sue in court, than pay for the item. However, I feel it is fair to point out that I doubt that Trump runs Accounts Receivable directly. The most you could levy at him would be turning a blind-eye to underhanded (but legal) business practices.

Banditbandit

12th November 2019, 15:51

Epstein didnt kill himself. Thats not verifiable fact either is it? Clown.

So - you admit it ..

Banditbandit

12th November 2019, 15:53

The problem with that statement, is that Trump has been running multiple businesses successfully, since the 1970s.

Errr .. you seem to be ignoring several bankruptcies with that statement - and his debt to the Russian backed and about to be defunct Deutsche Bank

austingtir

12th November 2019, 16:09

So - you admit it ..

If you were paying attention I admitted what I post is my opinion as obviously nobody can prove that Epstein killed himself.

But its pretty obvious to anyone that isnt a deepstate cultist what happened to Epstein so....

Just more proof you boys are on the wrong side of history but you dont know it yet.

sugilite

12th November 2019, 18:49

Oh dear, rats are starting to leave the sinking ship - and in the most bizarre way :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGrAvsw13lo

Mr. Peanut

12th November 2019, 18:52

Oh dear, rats are starting to leave the sinking ship - and in the most bizarre way :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGrAvsw13lo

Are you unironically using MSNBC as a source of information?

sugilite

12th November 2019, 19:07

Are you unironically using MSNBC as a source of information?
I try to use fox when I can :innocent:

sugilite

12th November 2019, 19:12

I try to use fox when I can :innocent:

Speaking of which...

Judge dismisses Trump lawsuit over New York tax returns

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Mr. Peanut

12th November 2019, 19:24

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajsbq0xK-sE

I get most of my analysis from this guy. Seriously.

austingtir

12th November 2019, 19:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajsbq0xK-sE

I get most of my analysis from this guy. Seriously.

Not bad

I like the comments under the second part to that vid.

"Get out and vote. The left, and their dead certainly will be"

"2 things I know for sure.

1. Trump will be re elected.
2. Epstein didn't kill himself"

austingtir

12th November 2019, 20:09

https://i.redd.it/0rpivcade4y31.jpg

Mr. Peanut

12th November 2019, 20:26

This reminds me of old KB. Just needs someone resorting to death threat in allcaps :violin:

austingtir

12th November 2019, 20:28

This reminds me of old KB. Just needs someone resorting to death threat in allcaps :violin:

Huzatwerk will be off his ban in a couple of weeks.....

TheDemonLord

12th November 2019, 20:56

Errr .. you seem to be ignoring several bankruptcies with that statement - and his debt to the Russian backed and about to be defunct Deutsche Bank

Not at all, If anything - going Bankrupt and then working back up shows his Entrepreneurial mettle.

Point is, Bankruptcies or not, it's a fair statement to say he's been more successful at Business than anyone here.

austingtir

12th November 2019, 21:03

Not at all, If anything - going Bankrupt and then working back up shows his Entrepreneurial mettle.

Point is, Bankruptcies or not, it's a fair statement to say he's been more successful at Business than anyone here.

I heard a comedy routine by Dave Chappelle that went along the lines of the Democrats are out here arguing over who's the most communist.... meanwhile Donald is over here grabbing ALL the pussy!!!

Even his hardcore lefty audience laughed their asses off at that one.

Funny thing is I cant find it now.... Those lefty tech companies are really quite impressive at suppressing anything remotely positive to the Don.

pritch

12th November 2019, 21:55

Are you unironically using MSNBC as a source of information?

Ari Melber is more reliable than a lot of what is posted here.

pritch

12th November 2019, 22:01

This reminds me of old KB. Just needs someone resorting to death threat in allcaps :violin:

Under the current regime to avoid penalty it is recommended that we don’t use a more offensive insult than “egg”.

sugilite

12th November 2019, 23:00

TheDemonLord

13th November 2019, 06:24

Calling Mr demon lord, I'm curious to see what you make of this?
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-administration-epa-science-medical-research-public-health-pollution-a9199416.html%3famp

I feel like I've read 3 separate articles:

The Headline.
What the new EPA policy is.
What the Interpretation by Advocacy groups is.

First point to make is that any statement made by an interest group must be treated with healthy skepticism. This applies to all Interest groups, including the ones I'm a part of. I've got my agenda and it's almost always about making things better for me, in reference to what I believe.

Next we have to discuss that certain scientific fields have suffered from a large Ideological tilt. Climate is the obvious one, the Medical field to a lesser degree. Some 'research' is being done to purely to prove a political end, than it is to answer questions about the world as we know it.

An example that stuck in my mind was a published scientific article claiming that Abattoir workers had high levels of PTSD, what was interesting was the large amount of Marxist theory stated, referenced and cited in the article that was used to backup certain claims. Now, it's not secret that I'm not a fan of Marxism - that said, the historical record of anytime Marxist doctrines have been implemented should be enough to automatically refute any article that references them.

And yet, the Article was published. Now, to be really fair, we have to consider the above article, that maybe the constant killing of Animals does take some form of toll on a person and maybe there are those that cannot handle it.

The problem is, when the Author of a paper has a clear a priori political agenda that they are seeking only to validate, we aren't doing proper science.

This also applies to various 'studies' that are funded by Lobby groups etc. so I don't want to make out that this critique is only in one direction, it's not.

Back to the EPA - it seems that they want to have full transparency of any study used for Policy making. The spirit of this (assuming good faith) is to allow independent bodies full access to all data (including patient data) to verify any and all claims.

This seems to be a good idea in part, since if everything is out in the open, it can be checked.

Now, the info in the article on the Policy from the EPA doesn't specify to what degree Raw Data needs to be presented - certainly if my Full Name, D.o.B, Address and Medical history was made publicly available, I'd be more than a little upset - as would anyone else.

However, if it was anonymous data, then I don't see a problem with it.

I do have some concerns over the retroactive nature of the Policy, as I'm not a fan of retrospective changes.

Last comment is to do with the Article itself - and the Advocacy group comments - The anti-Trump bias is clear. If the Headline said 'New rules require increased Transparency for Policy making' - there'd be no furor, no uproar etc. but we don't see that, they are taking the worst possible, uncharitable view, the Headline barely matches what the changes are.

To Sum up: If we take the new policy on Good Faith, then it has a kernel of a good idea. There needs to be clarification as to what degree of transparency they are after (there may be in the full policy, but CBF). This rule would apply equally to both sets of Lobby/Advocacy groups doing 'science' on both sides of the issue - which seems to me to be a good thing as if proper science is done, then the truth will out. If we are using Truth to determine Policy, ultimately we should get better policy.

So that's my take on it.

pritch

13th November 2019, 09:03

Calling Mr demon lord, I'm curious to see what you make of this?
www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-administration-epa-science-medical-research-public-health-pollution-a9199416.html%3famp

This is not a first.

When Alexander Fleming discovered penicillin he really didn't do much with it. When WW2 was looking imminent though the Brits decided penicillin would be a good thing to have in industrial quanities, but who to turn to that would have the facilities and the expertise to do the work? Ultimately it was decided that the best people in the world to undertake the task would be the scientists at the US Dept of Agriculture.

Scientists and samples crossed the Atlantic and the staff at the USDA figured out how to churn the stuff out by the 44 gallon drum.

Trump has gutted the US Dept of Agriculture.

One option might be a rambling dissertation - or you could just understand that the ignorant fucker does not like science.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/08/16/trump-administration-plans-reorganize-agriculture-research-offices-alarming-some-scientists/

sugilite

13th November 2019, 09:14

To Sum up: If we take the new policy on Good Faith, then it has a kernel of a good idea. There needs to be clarification as to what degree of transparency they are after (there may be in the full policy, but CBF). This rule would apply equally to both sets of Lobby/Advocacy groups doing 'science' on both sides of the issue - which seems to me to be a good thing as if proper science is done, then the truth will out. If we are using Truth to determine Policy, ultimately we should get better policy.

So that's my take on it.
Yeah, I'm on board with all of that, lets hope the process is not abused. It "could" be a good thing.

austingtir

13th November 2019, 09:15

Meanwhile in Syria:

the media goes to visit those "Austere religious scholars" the washington post was prattling on about and get the response they deserve:

"we're going to slaughter you"

https://youtu.be/tW_7me1Nj7w

sugilite

13th November 2019, 09:19

Now Trump has gutted the US Dept of Agriculture.

You could go off on a rambling dissertation - or you could just understand that the ignorant fucker does not like science.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2018/08/16/trump-administration-plans-reorganize-agriculture-research-offices-alarming-some-scientists/

Yeah, while I agree with a lot of what Demonlord says, the thing that makes me nervous is the administration overseeing it and Trumps proven record of rolling back environmental gains to suit big business - along with the retrospective aspect, if abused - could be extremely damaging to say the least.

sugilite

13th November 2019, 09:32

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ajsbq0xK-sE

I get most of my analysis from this guy. Seriously.
I agree with a lot of what he has to say. What I do not feel he is taking into account though is the level that love him or loath him Trump has triggered voters to take more notice of politics and motivated them to vote. Especially the youth.
Completely agree with what he says about all the lame duck democrat nominees.

pritch

13th November 2019, 09:38

Errr .. you seem to be ignoring several bankruptcies with that statement - and his debt to the Russian backed and about to be defunct Deutsche Bank

The MAGAts believe Trump was a successful businessman, nobody else does. Six bankruptcies, even Trump Casinos failed ffs. Trump water, Trump Steaks, Trump Airlines, Trump Mortgages, Trump Vodka, and Trump University, for which the court ordered he pay 20 Million. All failed.

"A poor man's idea of a rich man, a weak man's idea of a strong man, a stupid man's idea of a smart man."

TheDemonLord

13th November 2019, 09:40

The MAGAts believe Trump was a successful businessman, nobody else does. Six bankruptcies, even Trump Casinos failed ffs. Trump water, Trump Steaks, Trump Airlines, Trump Mortgages, Trump Vodka, and Trump University for which the court ordered he pay 20 Million. All failed.

And?

He's still at the very least a Multi-Millionaire, widely to believed to be a Billionaire.

That therefore means he is a successful Businessman. This point should not even be up for debate.

sugilite

13th November 2019, 09:49

And?

He's still at the very least a Multi-Millionaire, widely to believed to be a Billionaire.

That therefore means he is a successful Businessman. This point should not even be up for debate.

Yeah, nah, I don't agree with this. If he released his tax records (as he is on record as saying he will) it is my opinion that they will show he is no where near as wealthy as he makes out.
The only way I can think of that one would fail with a casino business, is by siphoning too much cash out the back door.

TheDemonLord

13th November 2019, 09:55

Yeah, nah, I don't agree with this. If he released his tax records (as he is on record as saying he will) it is my opinion that they will show he is no where near as wealthy as he makes out.
The only way I can think of that one would fail with a casino business, is by siphoning too much cash out the back door.

Assume he's not as wealthy as he Makes out, okay, fair enough - I'll accept that.

Even then, he's still vastly wealthier than You or I. He's still done massive business ventures, had his named festooned upon Hotels, Private Jets etc.

sugilite

13th November 2019, 10:25

Assume he's not as wealthy as he Makes out, okay, fair enough - I'll accept that.

Even then, he's still vastly wealthier than You or I. He's still done massive business ventures, had his named festooned upon Hotels, Private Jets etc.

Yeah, my Dad was nowhere as rich as his :msn-wink::bleh:

pritch

13th November 2019, 12:48

Yeah, my Dad was nowhere as rich as his :msn-wink::bleh:

Yeah. Apparently after allowance for inflation he has about what he inherited. He could have invested it and sat at home doing finger painting and he'd have as much.

Everytime I see a financial report on one of his golf courses it has lost millions. Sometimes lost tens of millions. It just doesn't make sense - unless it's all some sort of money laundering scheme. Russian money.

F'rinstance:https:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/losses-deepen-at-trumps-scotland-properties-new-financial-reports-show/2019/10/08/08ddf890-e9d4-11e9-bafb-da248f8d5734_story.html

https://skift.com/2017/10/09/trump-resorts-in-scotland-see-losses-more-than-double/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-prized-doral-resort-is-in-steep-decline-according-to-company-documents-showing-his-business-problems-are-mounting/2019/05/14/03cc701a-6b54-11e9-be3a-33217240a539_story.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/16/us/politics/trump-financial-disclosures.html

There are several mentions in that lot that he paid cash for the Scottish and Irish properties. Roubles?

husaberg

13th November 2019, 17:21

LOL, "your coup" :rolleyes:
Your frothing again Austin :drool:

Old Austins doing a stirling job of making New Conservative voters look dim...............;)

austingtir

13th November 2019, 20:33

^^

And do you asure the quality of your post's before you hit send?

You obviously didnt learn anything from your "holiday".

husaberg

13th November 2019, 21:10

^^

And do you asure the quality of your post's before you hit send?

You obviously didnt learn anything from your "holiday".

Poor Austiej, he trys and misses again, you are attempting to make up for a lack of quality with a vast quantity of rubbish.
I should i give you twelve tries to get it right , maybe then you will put more of value then on getting you facts right.
but until then you really should crawl back under da rock you crawled out of fairy.
PS You really should stand as a candidate at the election if only to get it through just how much you are out of touch with reality you are
i doubt you would even get 12c votes

tally HO.

Mr. Peanut

13th November 2019, 21:10

The MAGAts believe Trump was a successful businessman, nobody else does. Six bankruptcies, even Trump Casinos failed ffs. Trump water, Trump Steaks, Trump Airlines, Trump Mortgages, Trump Vodka, and Trump University, for which the court ordered he pay 20 Million. All failed.

"A poor man's idea of a rich man, a weak man's idea of a strong man, a stupid man's idea of a smart man."

You're awfully sure of yourself. He's the most powerful man in the world, it's fair to assume he's not a complete idiot.

austingtir

13th November 2019, 21:22

People that are interested should check out Steve's channel.

https://youtu.be/il7FRYHj_TA

sugilite

13th November 2019, 21:54

^^

And do you asure the quality of your post's before you hit send?

You obviously didnt learn anything from your "holiday".
At least he makes a decent fist of researching shit - all you do is find stark raving mad looney shit and go That will do, copy n paste :laugh::laugh::laugh:
I understand you have been on a few holidays yourself Austin :nono:

pritch

14th November 2019, 00:40

You're awfully sure of yourself. He's the most powerful man in the world, it's fair to assume he's not a complete idiot.

No it’s not. The evidence is that he is a “fucking moron”.

TheDemonLord

14th November 2019, 08:26

No it’s not. The evidence is that he is a “fucking moron”.

Circular Reasoning 101.

The fact you can't admit that he has been successful in some ways is just a testament to your blinding hatred of the Man. You may not like him, sure - I get that. There's lot's of things you can point to, to not like.

But to outright deny reality, That is truly 'Moronic'.

Banditbandit

14th November 2019, 09:06

You're awfully sure of yourself. He's the most powerful man in the world, it's fair to assume he's not a complete idiot.

Yeah? On what basis? The ONLY qualification for being a politician is electablity .. and you do not need intelligence for that - in fact many politicians have adequately proved that intelligence is NOT a requirement ...

Circular Reasoning 101.

The fact you can't admit that he has been successful in some ways is just a testament to your blinding hatred of the Man. You may not like him, sure - I get that. There's lot's of things you can point to, to not like.

But to outright deny reality, That is truly 'Moronic'.

How are you defining 'successful?

TheDemonLord

14th November 2019, 09:13

Yeah? On what basis? The ONLY qualification for being a politician is electablity .. and you do not need intelligence for that - in fact many politicians have adequately proved that intelligence is NOT a requirement ...

Now, far be it from me to not enjoy a good bit of ragging on Politicians, but being that popular requires a certain degree of intelligence.

How are you defining 'successful?

People on the other side of the world, well before he ran for office knew who he was.
He's been or is currently a Billionaire.
He's had a successful Reality TV Series (You're Fired!)
He's been a social figure for the last 30-40 years.
He's done something that only 4 other living people out of the entire population of the US has done.

So yeah, that quantifies on numerous objective levels as successful.

How much weight or stock you put into them, that's a different discussion.

austingtir

14th November 2019, 09:46

Again no facts just hearsay and "what people told me".

Complete farce!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmjVYIIlTRI

jasonu

14th November 2019, 11:10

Again no facts just hearsay and "what people told me".

Complete farce!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmjVYIIlTRI

About all that could be expected

pritch

14th November 2019, 11:13

No it’s not. The evidence is that he is a “fucking moron”.

For those who struggle with simple things, and it does seem we have a few, my statement above contains quotation marks. The comment is not mine, it is attributed to the then US Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson.

Similarly, I believe it was the then US Secretary of Defence, General Mattis, who described Trump as having the emotional development of a toddler.

I can't recall anybody who has ever implied that Trump was at all bright. Other than, of course, Trump himself. Trump has allegedly threatened all of the educational institutions with which he was involved that he would sue if they released any of his records. Hardly the actions of a "very stable genius".

Cultists will drink the Koolaid, the rest of us just shake our heads, and make no mistake, Trump believers are cultists.

austingtir

14th November 2019, 11:25

^^

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/NW23WQQlybM/hqdefault.jpg

TheDemonLord

14th November 2019, 11:40

For those who struggle with simple things, and it does seem we have a few, my statement above contains quotation marks. The comment is not mine, it is attributed to the then US Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson.

Similarly, I believe it was the then US Secretary of Defence, General Mattis, who described Trump as having the emotional development of a toddler.

I can't recall anybody who has ever implied that Trump was at all bright. Other than, of course, Trump himself. Trump has allegedly threatened all of the educational institutions with which he was involved that he would sue if they released any of his records. Hardly the actions of a "very stable genius".

Cultists will drink the Koolaid, the rest of us just shake our heads, and make no mistake, Trump believers are cultists.

Doesn't matter who it's attributed to.

Could be attributed to God for all I care.

The Simple fact is, he's been successful. To do that requires Intelligence. If you were to look at any one of his Careers, that would be more than enough for a single person to be considered successful, except he's done them all.

There have been plenty of people who have inferred that Trump must have a high IQ of some degree (estimates around the 150-170 mark), but, you'd need to step out of your Echo Chamber to hear them.

I'll simply repeat - denying reality is the mark of a cult believer, and to state he's neither smart nor successful is definitely denying reality.

Mr. Peanut

14th November 2019, 15:52

For those who struggle with simple things, and it does seem we have a few, my statement above contains quotation marks. The comment is not mine, it is attributed to the then US Secretary of State, Rex Tillerson.

Similarly, I believe it was the then US Secretary of Defence, General Mattis, who described Trump as having the emotional development of a toddler.

I can't recall anybody who has ever implied that Trump was at all bright. Other than, of course, Trump himself. Trump has allegedly threatened all of the educational institutions with which he was involved that he would sue if they released any of his records. Hardly the actions of a "very stable genius".

Cultists will drink the Koolaid, the rest of us just shake our heads, and make no mistake, Trump believers are cultists.

I like Tulsi Gabbard, I respect Bernie Sanders though I disagree with him and I quite like Trump, mainly because he pisses off the right people. You're making huge assumptions about people based on their appraisal of one person.

To write off millions of people because they like someone you don't is a real shame.

What has Trump done using the power of his office, that you don't like?

Trump is an asshole, but he seems like a pretty benevolent, useful asshole.

Mr. Peanut

14th November 2019, 15:59

;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZ46I3kMOr0&t=191s

Laava

14th November 2019, 16:03

Going to be interesting, if Trumps impeachment goes the distance, who will start the first thread about his impeachment being a conspiracy. I think I know who will do the most posting in there!:yes:

Banditbandit

14th November 2019, 16:07

Mr. Peanut

14th November 2019, 16:11

I fail to see how you can regard a man as intelligent who displays such ignorance:

The five countries in Mexico |

We are going to build a wall on the Colarado/Mexican border

I am the Chosen One

You can never be too greedy

I'm also honored to have the greatest temperament that anybody has

We should use nuclear bombs to dispel hurricanes

You know, it really doesn't matter what [the media] write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass.

And much more ..

Ignorance and intelligence are two different things. Ask an arts major to rebuild a carburettor.

He knows his audience and he knows they don't particularly care.

Al Gore was highly educated, but he didn't become the president. He won the game he was playing, which was politics not QI.

austingtir

14th November 2019, 16:15

Going to be interesting, if Trumps impeachment goes the distance, who will start the first thread about his impeachment being a conspiracy. I think I know who will do the most posting in there!:yes:

But everybody who doesnt have their TDS screws loose knows even if the house impeaches him its meaningless given whats proven to have gone on before and since he was elected.

Its an outright attempted Coup not an impeachment BTW.

ALL THE EVIDENCE PROVES THIS AND PEOPLE BEHIND IT ARE GOING TO JAIL!!!

All the evidence to prove Bidens corruption is out NOW!:

BOMBSHELL: Leaked documents from the Ukrainian General Prosecutor’s office indicate complex money transfers from foreign sources into the control of a “slush fund” owned and operated by Devon Archer, John Kerry Senior, John Kerry Junior, Heinz Jr, and Hunter Biden.
https://twitter.com/chiIIum/status/1194766648563191809

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EJSl9P2WoAMZbrF.jpg:large

And thats not even getting started on all the proof that the dems have been trying this soft Coup on him since he was elected via mueller and everything else including outright spying on Trump.

At this point all the dems are fighting for is to stop THEMSELVES going to fuckin jail!!!

2015-16 ANTI TRUMPER Glenn Beck on the money here: 2hrs long!!!

https://www.blazetv.com/video/The-Democrats-Hydra-glenn

austingtir

14th November 2019, 18:14

Further: (again 2hrs long but you can skip lots of twaddle 16minutes in)

https://youtu.be/kuvfYE7ZdL0

Cliffs:

The dem are guilty of every single thing they have accused Trump of and more.
The MSM is also totally complicit.
Its a bad episode of Columbo (27minutes in)
Timeline of corruption (33 minutes in) ( he didnt spend enough time explaining who Egor Kolomoisky is and what a complete scum bag Nazi pos he is)
44minutes in shows what happened to Manafort.... (convenient fall guy to make trump look bad)
49minutes in Bidens attempt to cover it all up.....
51:30 Obama is telling Ukranian prosecutors who to investigate.... (what does that sound similar too?)
54minutes in Manafort joins the Trump team..... (show's how they got those members of Trumps team arrested that muppets on here keep chimping on about)
101 minutes in Ukrainian "black ledger" released to tarr Trump team (manafort and co in middle of 2016 election)
105 minutes in The missing 1.8 billion dollars.......
109 minutes in Trump wins election.......
113minutes in Ukranians interferred with USA elections goto JAIL!!...... (evidence at 115 minutes proving why) And it was the CLINTONS yet again.....
118 minutes in Shows how all of this was setup for Hillary..... (but she didnt get elected did she!???? Doh....)
132 minutes in cliffs
137 minutes in Great explanation of whats about to happen....
140 minutes in GUILTY VERDICT!!

sugilite

14th November 2019, 20:27

austingtir

14th November 2019, 20:31

^^ froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, Deep State going to get caught any day now, and now, and now, and..:rolleyes: :sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:

Jeez that must be a record for you now how many replies now to my posts where you've got NOTHING!

LMFAO.

sugilite

14th November 2019, 20:59

^^ The irony is strong in this one :laugh:

mashman

14th November 2019, 21:32

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/FVQAAOSwSUJa9X6S/s-l300.jpg

TheDemonLord

15th November 2019, 07:58

I fail to see how you can regard a man as intelligent who displays such ignorance:

The five countries in Mexico |

We are going to build a wall on the Colarado/Mexican border

I am the Chosen One

You can never be too greedy

I'm also honored to have the greatest temperament that anybody has

We should use nuclear bombs to dispel hurricanes

You know, it really doesn't matter what [the media] write as long as you've got a young and beautiful piece of ass.

And much more ..

I've long agreed that Trump has a sloppy way of speaking, that is unlike the Statesman-esque speeches we are used to.

Also, at least one of those is disputed (only being attributed to him by a 3rd party), others are out of Context. Still doesn't outweigh his other achievements.

austingtir

15th November 2019, 08:42

Who could of seen this coming:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ex-tv-medical-correspondent-charged-with-asking-9-year-old-girl-for-racy-photos/

"Adam Schiff Associate Arrested By LAPD On Pedophilia Charges

Dr. Bruce Hensel, a long-term associate of Rep. Adam Schiff, has been arrested in Los Angeles on pedophilia related charges after he asked a 9-year-old girl to send him sexually suggestive pictures, according to prosecutors and law enforcement.

Rep. Adam Schiff and Dr. Hensel have been closely linked for years, with the LA Times describing the doctor as a “special guest” at Schiff’s 50th birthday party in 2010. Schiff also handpicked Dr. Hensel to work with him on health care townhalls in California and has been the recipient of big dollar donations from the 71-year-old throughout his political career.

The Los Angeles Police Department confirmed Dr. Hensel was arrested Wednesday morning in Beverly Hills and charged with contact with a minor for sexual purposes.

The arrest came after a child sexual exploitation investigation involving the 9-year-old after inappropriate messages and photographs were shared between the child and Dr. Hensel. The 71-year-old was booked for contact with a minor with the purpose of committing sexual acts"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=11&v=LEHQi7l8B18&feature=emb_logo

husaberg

15th November 2019, 08:53

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2019/07/11/us/politics/09dc-trumpspstein1/09dc-trumpspstein1-superJumbo-v2.jpg
“I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy,” Mr. Trump told New York magazine in 2002. “He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.”
https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106024529-1563386932391screenshot2019-07-17at2.07.56pm.png
Mr. Epstein was never a dues-paying member of the Mar-a-Lago club, according to an official at the Trump Organization. But as a guest of a guest, he was treated like a close friend by the club’s owner and self-appointed headwaiter, Mr. Trump.
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/YNb78jytQQRR9H9cnHTr678Ed-o=/0x0:715x456/920x613/filters:focal(301x171:415x285):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/64693635/Screen_Shot_2019_07_08_at_8.51.48_PM.7.png
Epstein’s brother Mark Epstein also told the Post Trump flew on Epstein’s plane “numerous times.”
In 2009, Brad Edwards, an attorney who has represented various Epstein victims, had Trump served with a subpoena for testimony in a case against Epstein.

pritch

15th November 2019, 10:06

^^ froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, froth, Deep State going to get caught any day now, and now, and now, and..:rolleyes: :sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep::sleep:

Yeah. "Deep state" is one of those give aways, there is no such thing, it's a nutjob conspiracy theory.

Trump accused yesterday's witnesses of being "never Trumpers" which is also absurd. Both had served under multiple presidents from both parties, and Taylor was brought out of retirement and appointed Ambassador to Ukraine by the idiot-in-chief hmself.

The process is interesting. Trump is guilty as charged: he has admitted it, his Chief of Staff also admitted it live on TV. The question is whether the inquiry can convince enough voters of that fact - and that it matters. If it can, he's gone. If not, when it gets to the Senate for the "trial" phase, the Republicans will continue to stand by him.

Whether they stand by him to the extent he is the candidate in 2020 is another thing.

mashman

15th November 2019, 11:14

Yeah. "Deep state" is one of those give aways, there is no such thing, it's a nutjob conspiracy theory.

“It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am. The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals of them may… actually had a seperation [sic] of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned.” – George Washington, 1st President of the United States (1789–1797), from a letter that Washington wrote on October 24, 1798, which can be found in the Library of Congress.

Yeah, a nutjob conspiracy theory. Or it doesn't for your narrative perhaps. You used to seem like quite a sensible chap.

pritch

15th November 2019, 11:51

Yeah, a nutjob conspiracy theory. Or it doesn't for your narrative perhaps. You used to seem like quite a sensible chap.

I'm not sure it's me that changed. It used to be considered that one in five people were suffering a mental heath disorder. That's 20%, but since Trump hardcore support is running nearer 30% it's possible the one in five was an underestimate. :whistle:

pritch

15th November 2019, 11:55

Even Harvard Law professors find this funny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQvjALuwqwY

mashman

15th November 2019, 12:21

I'm not sure it's me that changed. It used to be considered that one in five people were suffering a mental heath disorder. That's 20%, but since Trump hardcore support is running nearer 30% it's possible the one in five was an underestimate. :whistle:

I've seen some analysis that states that 99% had mental health disorders before Trump arrived on the scene. Could it be that it's dropping simply because Trump came on the scene?

sugilite

16th November 2019, 06:30

So much for Austin's VOTER FRAUD! After the Canvas was completed, the Republican had in fact lost the election fair and square.
https://www.politico.com/news/2019/11/14/matt-bevin-concedes-kentucky-governor-070975
WITCH HUNT!
:laugh:

oldrider

16th November 2019, 08:35

It doesn't matter who wins - what is always constant is that "we" lose - :msn-wink: - Can you feel the chaos mounting? - :doh: - Classic boiled frog syndrome? - :wait: . :Oops:

Laava

16th November 2019, 11:31

https://www.ducatiforum.co.uk/attachments/e8261c79-8af6-436a-a92b-b70f1c84cc71-jpeg.175780/

As someone else said, Mr Stone will be hoping that Trump does not get re-elected next year and then he will get pardoned on Trumps way out of office next year instead of waiting another four...
assuming that Trump even remembers who he is?

sugilite

16th November 2019, 12:03

As someone else said, Mr Stone will be hoping that Trump does not get re-elected next year and then he will get pardoned on Trumps way out of office next year instead of waiting another four...
assuming that Trump even remembers who he is?

Yeah, yet another member of Trumps "Team Swamp" goes down. Trump is all about Trump, so good luck to Stone on getting a pardon. Mind you they may have neighboring jail cells in the future :laugh:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/117472443/roger-stone-convicted-of-lying-to-us-congress-about-2016-leaks

austingtir

16th November 2019, 14:51

^^The entire trial is based around the same bullshit that Russia hacked clinton or the DNC's emails....

That never happened.

Seth Rich (one of the DNC's own staffers) leaked all the data to wikileaks and then was killed for it.

And as for clinton all her data want even on secure servers and she was selling access to it all anyway.

When that eventually comes out it will prove that this entire thing was nothing more than a kangaroo court show trail like all the rest.

husaberg

16th November 2019, 16:07

Trump even admitted he acknowledges its true that Russia interfered in the election.
Did you miss that.

austingtir

16th November 2019, 17:41

https://i.redd.it/onwnjii3vxy31.jpg

sugilite

16th November 2019, 19:31

Typical Trump, just does not know when to shut the fuck up. Now it is real time witness tampering. Even the prosecuter who was in charge of the Clinton impeachment is saying how ill advised Trump is being. It is going to be fascinating to see which straw it will be that finally breaks the camels back for the Republican party.
https://www.thestar.com.my/news/world/2019/11/16/factbox-039that-was-a-turning-point039---reaction-to-trump-impeachment-hearing

austingtir

16th November 2019, 19:35

oldrider

17th November 2019, 08:26

Vladimir Putin Sums Up The New World Order In 5 Words:- :wavey: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/vladimir-putin-sums-new-world-order-5-words - :wait:

pritch

17th November 2019, 10:25

It is going to be fascinating to see which straw it will be that finally breaks the camels back for the Republican party.

It could be Sondland. He's got a chain of hotels to protect and, unlike Trump's, his are making money. He won't want to go down for Trump. His wife is reportedly nagging him to cut himself free of Trump before the association damages his business.

Stone is convicted on all charges. That's six people convicted of lying to protect Trump. Odd that people keep going to jail for lying to protect him if he's innocent. Some witch hunt. This didn't wear well. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRKzSW_CtuE

Trump has just pardoned a group of war criminals despite opposition from the Pentagon. These guys were not objects of public sympathy like some, they are evil bastards. It would seem that Trump wants war crimes to be OK.

husaberg

17th November 2019, 11:26

Proof of how unpopular trump really is now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8XUs2y_o54
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfpQ9lFWX6A

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqBRBS3-Sww
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR4WxNQO9EA

its not just the UN laughing at him.
the crowd ws chanting Lock him up.
Every sitting US president since WW1 has thrown out a First pitch what is Trump scared of?

I am sure the idiots will try and spin this anyway.
“I had more cheers at a baseball game than any president in history, believe me”
"believe me: I got millions and millions and millions of Boo's, more than everyone else"
"No one gets bigger boos than me"

http://i1133.photobucket.com/albums/m584/pbmus/Mobile%20Uploads/2016-12/801B59CA-C16E-48DE-A260-A4833621066A.jpg

pritch

17th November 2019, 13:16

austingtir

17th November 2019, 13:17

Vladimir Putin Sums Up The New World Order In 5 Words:- :wavey: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/vladimir-putin-sums-new-world-order-5-words - :wait:

Yeah OK comrade.

Nothings going to happen anytime soon.

husaberg

17th November 2019, 13:33

Trump has been taken to Walter Reed hospital. Staff were running to vehicles but Trump was walking unassisted. It's claimed that it's his routine annual check but apparently no check was scheduled, and his annual check was February. Also routine medical checks don't usually take place on the weekend.

Mike Pense might be getting excited?

Harold Bornstein, Mr Trump's longtime personal doctor, said he made up the glowing bill of health on the president's orders.
"He dictated that whole letter. I didn't write that letter," Dr Bornstein told CNN.
At the time Dr Bornstein was widely ridiculed for the assessment, with sceptics pointing out it was eerily similar to Mr Trump's manner of speaking,
Dr Bornstein, who was Mr Trump's personal doctor for more than 30 years, also claimed the president's bodyguard later took possession of his medical records in an episode that felt like a "raid."
Dr Bornstein said that Mr Schiller and another "large man" were in his office for about 30 minutes and "created a lot of chaos".
The February 2017 incident left him feeling "raped, frightened and sad", he told NBC News.
It turns out trump as well as lying about his health is lying about his height and weight also.
Hes overstating his height by at least 2-3 inches and his weight by at least 20 pounds.

jasonu

17th November 2019, 14:20

austingtir

17th November 2019, 14:41

Where do you get all this crap from?

The lefty MSM making up stories again.

They know the impeachment process has failed so they are moving back to all the other garbage.

North Korea level propaganda.

https://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/30a946d37e.jpg

jasonu

17th November 2019, 15:24

The lefty MSM making up stories again.

They know the impeachment process has failed so they are moving back to all the other garbage.

North Korea level propaganda.

https://www.godlikeproductions.com/sm/custom/30a946d37e.jpg

You should see that fag Adam Schiff doing his thing on TV. It's a fucking embarrassment and embarrassing to watch. Laughable actually.

Viking01

17th November 2019, 16:52

Trump has just pardoned a group of war criminals despite opposition from the Pentagon. These guys were not objects of public sympathy like some, they are evil bastards. It would seem that Trump wants war crimes to be OK.

Are you sure that they were real "war criminals" ? It's not like the
Pentagon to be opposing pardon of "war criminals". Especially when
the people involved are members of the "home team".

But you did raise an interesting point: Presidential Pardons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the _president_of_the_United_States

Makes interesting reading. Especially in light of your comment about
Don granting pardons to three US military personnel:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/15/politics/trump-war-crimes-intervenes/index.html

But if Don keeps this pace up, he'll soon eclipse Bill Clinton.

Ukraine

On a separate note, Don's current spot of bother re the Ukraine puzzles me.

I can still recall the 1981 Iran Contra saga, where Ronny Reagan's team sold
some arms to Iran (something to do with release of US hostages), and then
proceeded to use the proceeds from the arms sale to supply the Contras
(fighting the Nicaraguan government). You can read about it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

It seems like the current Ukrainian scandal is just another one of those
"weapons-for-weapons" scandals, though in Don's case, one "weapon" is
simply the supply of information on his likely Democrat rival, Joe Biden.

The interesting part about the Iran Contra affair is that it was facilitated
by Marc Rich, who were pardoned in 2001 by Bill Clinton - after a suitable
sized donation to the Democrats and the Clinton Foundation (listed in the
first link above).

You'd have thought that would have set some sort of legal precedent, and
that Don could claim immunity from impeachment (on that point, anyway).

It's also a little rich (sorry, not pun intended) in irony, in that during the
Obama reign, Biden was really keen to send weapons (Javelins) to Ukraine
in order to wind up the Russians. But Obama resisted that request, despite
Biden's objections.

And what does Don do ? He releases some money for the purchase and supply
of Javelins to Ukraine (just as the Democrats had wanted) - and now, what
thanks does he get ? Talk about ungrateful.

The other point which made me smile was announcement of the appointment
of the new Ambassador to Ukraine (William Taylor, Jnr).

It seems (reading his bio) that after William left the US State Department, he
went to work for the US Peace Institute. An oxymoron, if ever there was one.

And once having joined, he then actively campaigned for a more robust policy
towards Russia in Ukraine.

Apparently, Taylor was all for preserving "rules based order" in Ukraine. Though
I couldn't quite work out "whose rules and whose orders".

But Don, I'd be a little bit worried about this week's coup (in Bolivia).

I know that the CIA made a mess of the Ukrainian one back in 2014, and the
Venezuelan one was an absolute shambles, but they might have gotten their
game back together in more recent months.

It might be time to consider "early retirement" and "spending more time with
the family" (or on the golf course).

But, should you decide to remain - and the other crowd do actually decide
(and manage) to impeach you - then offer you a face saving pardon after
the fact, I'd just make damn sure to get a receipt for any donation made.
It's bound to be tax deductible.

husaberg

17th November 2019, 17:17

Are you sure that they were real "war criminals" ? It's not like the
Pentagon to be opposing pardon of "war criminals". Especially when
the people involved are members of the "home team".

But you did raise an interesting point: Presidential Pardons.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the _president_of_the_United_States

Makes interesting reading. Especially in light of your comment about
Don granting pardons to three US military personnel:

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/11/15/politics/trump-war-crimes-intervenes/index.html

But if Don keeps this pace up, he'll soon eclipse Bill Clinton.

Ukraine

On a separate note, Don's current spot of bother re the Ukraine puzzles me.

I can still recall the 1981 Iran Contra saga, where Ronny Reagan's team sold
some arms to Iran (something to do with release of US hostages), and then
proceeded to use the proceeds from the arms sale to supply the Contras
(fighting the Nicaraguan government). You can read about it here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran%E2%80%93Contra_affair

It seems like the current Ukrainian scandal is just another one of those
"weapons-for-weapons" scandals, though in Don's case, one "weapon" is
simply the supply of information on his likely Democrat rival, Joe Biden.

The interesting part about the Iran Contra affair is that it was facilitated
by Marc Rich, who were pardoned in 2001 by Bill Clinton - after a suitable
sized donation to the Democrats and the Clinton Foundation (listed in the
first link above).

You'd have thought that would have set some sort of legal precedent, and
that Don could claim immunity from impeachment (on that point, anyway).

It's also a little rich (sorry, not pun intended) in irony, in that during the
Obama reign, Biden was really keen to send weapons (Javelins) to Ukraine
in order to wind up the Russians. But Obama resisted that request, despite
Biden's objections.

And what does Don do ? He releases some money for the purchase and supply
of Javelins to Ukraine (just as the Democrats had wanted) - and now, what
thanks does he get ? Talk about ungrateful.

The other point which made me smile was announcement of the appointment
of the new Ambassador to Ukraine (William Taylor, Jnr).

It seems (reading his bio) that after William left the US State Department, he
went to work for the US Peace Institute. An oxymoron, if ever there was one.

And once having joined, he then actively campaigned for a more robust policy
towards Russia in Ukraine.

Apparently, Taylor was all for preserving "rules based order" in Ukraine. Though
I couldn't quite work out "whose rules and whose orders".

But Don, I'd be a little bit worried about this week's coup (in Bolivia).

I know that the CIA made a mess of the Ukrainian one back in 2014, and the
Venezuelan one was an absolute shambles, but they might have gotten their
game back together in more recent months.

It might be time to consider "early retirement" and "spending more time with
the family" (or on the golf course).

But, should you decide to remain - and the other crowd do actually decide
(and manage) to impeach you - then offer you a face saving pardon after
the fact, I'd just make damn sure to get a receipt for any donation made.
It's bound to be tax deductible.

A couple of points,the IRAN CONTRA deal to supply iran happened before any hostages were taken, so the potential excuse that it was anything to do with hostages is simply untrue.
Also trying to compare What trump has done is ludicrous.
He was blackmailing an alley to start an investigation to advance him politically.
Aside from the obvious implications of what he did he was using public money to fund a political campaign.

sugilite

17th November 2019, 19:31

Yeah OK comrade.

Nothings going to happen anytime soon.

Do you call Trump Comrade when he has (on multiple occasions) fawned over Putin?
Yeah, did not think so.

And in the mean time, the turd does not fall far from the toilet :laugh:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6QIg5vVzhk

Viking01

17th November 2019, 21:56

A couple of points,the IRAN CONTRA deal to supply iran happened before any hostages were taken, so the potential excuse that it was anything to do with hostages is simply untrue.
.

I'll have to disagree with you.

Quote from "Iran Hostage Crisis" Wiki

The Iran hostage crisis negotiations were negotiations in 1980
and 1981 between the United States Government and the Iranian
Government to end the Iranian hostage crisis. The 52 American
hostages, seized from the US Embassy in Tehran in November
1979, were finally released on 20 January 1981.

Part of the US hostage crisis resolution reached involved an
(unauthorised) supply of weapons to Iran. Then involved in a
war with Iraq (1980-1988), a war in which the US supplied
weapons to both Iran and Iraq.

This was followed by the Boland Amendment in 1982.

Quote from "Why Was the Boland Amendment passed"

The House of Representatives passed the Defense Appropriations
Act 411–0 on December 8, 1982 and it was signed by President
Ronald Reagan on December 21, 1982.

The amendment outlawed U.S. assistance to the Contras for the
purpose of overthrowing the Nicaraguan government, while allowing
assistance for other purposes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boland_Amendment

husaberg

17th November 2019, 23:28

I'll have to disagree with you.

Quote from "Iran Hostage Crisis" Wiki

The Iran hostage crisis negotiations were negotiations in 1980
and 1981 between the United States Government and the Iranian
Government to end the Iranian hostage crisis. The 52 American
hostages, seized from the US Embassy in Tehran in November
1979, were finally released on 20 January 1981.

Part of the US hostage crisis resolution reached involved an
(unauthorised) supply of weapons to Iran. Then involved in a
war with Iraq (1980-1988), a war in which the US supplied
weapons to both Iran and Iraq.

This was followed by the Boland Amendment in 1982.

Quote from "Why Was the Boland Amendment passed"

The House of Representatives passed the Defense Appropriations
Act 411–0 on December 8, 1982 and it was signed by President
Ronald Reagan on December 21, 1982.

The amendment outlawed U.S. assistance to the Contras for the
purpose of overthrowing the Nicaraguan government, while allowing
assistance for other purposes.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boland_Amendment

You can disgree as much and as often as you like it will not change the facts the major problem with what you are saying is that's not the hostages the contra deal was about, they were hostages from Lebanon
not Iran. you are thinking iranian hostages means the iranian embassy hostages it does not.

https://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/08/world/iran-pipeline-hidden-chapter-special-report-us-said-have-allowed-israel-sell.html

The official justification for the arms shipments was that they were part of an operation to free seven American hostages being held in Lebanon by Hezbollah, a paramilitary group with Iranian ties connected to the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps. The plan was for Israel to ship weapons to Iran, for the United States to resupply Israel, and for Israel to pay the United States. The Iranian recipients promised to do everything in their power to achieve the release of the hostages.However, as documented by a congressional investigation, the first Reagan-sponsored secret arms sales to Iran began in 1981 before any of the American hostages had been taken in Lebanon. This fact ruled out the "arms for hostages" explanation by which the Reagan administration sought to excuse its behavior