The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[sugilite]

I don't think so - but let's address the first comment, cause I think this is a really interesting point of discussion:

Is encouraging people to defend their Constitutional rights the same as starting a Civil War?

I, personally, do not. I can see a number of arguments that would affirm the above, but all of them require a number of a priori statements, such as the acknowledging that the catalyst is the State infringing on people's rights (and not just abstract rights, codified-explicitly-in-your-founding-and-foundational-legal-document-rights).

But it's an interesting Question.

Funny he only mentioned States he really needs to win, and ones with Democrat Governors, coincidence? He gives not one shit about peoples "rights". Just that he gets back in.




That's a false dichotomy for 2 reasons.

The first being is that I would have voted for Obama (although with hindsight, I wouldn't have) and things like the Birth Certificate story were complete fabrications. I'm not sure if you can find an explicit quote from me during that time period to say that, but it remains true.

but more relevent one is - in terms of national Right-Wing TV news organisations - you've got Fox, Sky News Australia and? What about Left-Wing News Organisations? You've got the BBC, CNN, MSNBC, All of NZ's Media, etc. etc. The select few Right-Wing outlets having a dig at Obama is not the same as the vast majority of Left-wing outlets condemning Trump as Evil incarnate.
Somehow the number of outlets makes a difference in the left and righs msg that gets put out? Left watch the left, right watches the right, sad really. However, back to what actually counts - The guys actions are tantamount to murder. He knows damn well his actions and lack thereof and ill advice is killing people. He is evil incarnate - open your bloody eyes and ears, it is all there in plain sight through tweets and video from the shithead himself.



You say got it right, I say they made everyone else suffer for their incompetence - which seems to be a pattern of behavior - coupled that with zero acknowledgement from the Government that the reason we had to go into lockdown, was due to the Community Transmission from those overseas visitors.
What is it? They went to soft, or too hard - you just twist it to suit what ever hypothesis your peddling at the time. There was barely any community transmission when they went stage 3 btw, soon as it turned up, they had to act fast. If they had gone harder earlier you would have been up and arms about that too you hypocrite. How handy it is you have the power of hindsight to apply your judgements and "what I would have dones".




Australia and Taiwan are the ones I'm thinking of. Over-Reaction - well that's a matter of Opinion, of course - but I stand by that statement. See below for clarification

No, Let's. It's point is to show that the absolutist statement is demonstrably wrong. The Economy matters because all of those things that we like to do (Hospitals, Roading, Police etc.) have a cost - and ruining the Economy whilst chanting 'BUT WE ARE SAVING LIVES' is cutting your nose off to spite your face.
Comparing one person with a pandemic? Pitiful and desperate.



At this point, I think that there should still be a quarantine for at-risk groups (Elderly especially, those with pre-existing health conditions etc.) Although even then, I'm not sure it should be 'enforced', more along the lines of 'strongly encouraged and if you get sick and die, it's your own fault for not listening' - Having a layered, proportional response is what I'd have liked to have seen - but instead we had a sudden and tyrannical jump to the most restrictive measure and that IMO was the Over-reaction. Even after 2 weeks of total lockdown when it was clear we weren't seeing the Volume of Cases that other countries had, a review and a relaxation to Level 3 would have been appropriate IMO.
For me, they went back to stage 3 at the earliest prudently possible, maybe a bit early. Same for stage 2. I'm with the pandemic experts that say we should not go to stage one until 4 weeks (2 virus life cycles) have passed with no new cases. I choose the experts over your opinion on this.




Let me answer this in a different way - despite all that has come to pass and come to light, there are still vast swathes of the Media and the political class that are refusing to condemn China.

Chinese money, investment, influence and ownership has resulted in many fingers in many pies.

Upsetting that Apple Cart will have a massive effect on the Global Economy - to the point where although I 100% agree on the principle that something needs to be done, the pragmatist in me says that we've got a Bed that is made and now we have to find the best way to sleep in it. I'm not sure that that sentence quite conveys how much it pains me to say that.

Well and good, but nowhere in my writing have I defended or stuck up for China in my posts. Quite the opposite.
When Trump praised them, I went WTF? If it was obvious to a mostly ignorant Sugilite on the arse end of the World that the released stats were wiffy in the extreme, then why was the so called leader of the free World seemingly completely unaware despite the fact he has incredible resources in gathered intelligence at his disposal? Oh wait, I covered that - it is because he does not read his briefs, something that really stood out to me that you in no way attempted to address. Free pass for Trump! Kill shit tons of people, Free pass for Trump, Start armed protests, Free pass for Trump. BTW, see the reports of the rise in pandemic cases in the areas the protesters were active at 2 weeks later? Wait, no let me guess - Free pass for Trump.

As mentioned I have been having thoughts on engaging you in posts. Reading over what you have written in our latest banter. It has solidified in my mind, you actually appear to share a lot of Trumps qualities, low levels of value on life, corruption is ok, as long as it is groups you don't happen to like that are being affected and sowing seeds of hate and division is also ok too, as long as the groups you despise are the ones gnashing their teeth etc - I could go on and on with examples. With this in mind, my respect for you and your opinions has bottomed out to the point that for the first time in my 14 year kb history - I'm going to put someone on my ignore list. That is an achievement in itself I guess. Go you.

[Katman]

Reading over what you have written in our latest banter. It has solidified in my mind, you actually appear to share a lot of Trumps qualities, low levels of value on life, corruption is ok, as long as it is groups you don't happen to like that are being affected and sowing seeds of hate and division is also ok too, as long as the groups you despise are the ones gnashing their teeth etc - I could go on and on with examples.

Ask him about the 500,000 dead Iraqi children.

[TheDemonLord]

Funny he only mentioned States he really needs to win, and ones with Democrat Governors, coincidence? He gives not one shit about peoples "rights". Just that he gets back in.

Sure, he's got a motive, no argument from me there. But it's not like it isn't part of the Democrat agenda to infringe on the 2A.


Somehow the number of outlets makes a difference in the left and righs msg that gets put out? Left watch the left, right watches the right, sad really. However, back to what actually counts - The guys actions are tantamount to murder. He knows damn well his actions and lack thereof and ill advice is killing people. He is evil incarnate - open your bloody eyes and ears, it is all there in plain sight through tweets and video from the shithead himself.

I'll use the BBC as a reference - they are state funded and have in their charter an obligation to be neutral. They are not, they have a demonstrable left-wing bias. It's the same with the vast majority of Media Outlets - so yes, the Number and Size does make a difference. As for the rest - calling him a Murderer? I hate to say it, but that is Peak TDS.


What is it? They went to soft, or too hard - you just twist it to suit what ever hypothesis your peddling at the time. There was barely any community transmission when they went stage 3 btw, soon as it turned up, they had to act fast. If they had gone harder earlier you would have been up and arms about that too you hypocrite. How handy it is you have the power of hindsight to apply your judgements and "what I would have dones".

It's not twisting - I've been a Tourist to NZ before I moved here and based on the experience, I know exactly how I'd have behaved if I was a tourist coming into the country, given a leaflet that told me to stay in my hotel for 2 weeks - which would be 'Fuck that'. You even yourself agreed that it was flawed when you ran the scenario hypothetically, so I'm not sure why this is an argument.

Because they implemented a plan that was so obviously doomed to fail (if you just thought about it for 5 minutes), they then had to go ultra-restrictive.


Comparing one person with a pandemic? Pitiful and desperate.

'But we are literally Saving lives'

Or do you want to acknowledge that the Economic cost of 'saving lives' can do more damage in the long run?


For me, they went back to stage 3 at the earliest prudently possible, maybe a bit early. Same for stage 2. I'm with the pandemic experts that say we should not go to stage one until 4 weeks (2 virus life cycles) have passed with no new cases. I choose the experts over your opinion on this.

Fair enough, will you also choose the Economic Experts opinion too? And when each set of Experts are in conflict with each other - how will you weigh the difference?


Well and good, but nowhere in my writing have I defended or stuck up for China in my posts. Quite the opposite.
When Trump praised them, I went WTF? If it was obvious to a mostly ignorant Sugilite on the arse end of the World that the released stats were wiffy in the extreme, then why was the so called leader of the free World seemingly completely unaware despite the fact he has incredible resources in gathered intelligence at his disposal? Oh wait, I covered that - it is because he does not read his briefs, something that really stood out to me that you in no way attempted to address. Free pass for Trump! Kill shit tons of people, Free pass for Trump, Start armed protests, Free pass for Trump. BTW, see the reports of the rise in pandemic cases in the areas the protesters were active at 2 weeks later? Wait, no let me guess - Free pass for Trump.

That was not aimed at you, but the wider media. Are China's stats dodgy - well, most people assume that anything coming out from a totalitarian government isn't going to be accurate - the question is, what's the threshold for lighting the fuse. You've got your position on where that is, fair enough, I respect that, but these charges that he's killing people or that he's starting a civil war - it's the same hysterical fear mongering we saw when he was running for the the candidacy, when he was nominated, when he won the presidency, at the mid-terms etc. etc. So you'll forgive me if all I see is someone crying wolf even if there may be a wolf.

But let's flip this back - In the area's where there were protests - why? Was it because Trump told them to protest? That's your argument - so let's take that as fair. Why were they protesting? Because the State legislature was trying to force through unconstitutional legislation whilst there was a Quarantine with a hope of passing it whilst no one could protest it - If you want me to condemn trump and 'not give him a free pass' - then where's your condemnation of that? And I'll add to this, Which was the first cause? The call for protest or the law change that the protest was about and as such, which event should bear greater criticism?


As mentioned I have been having thoughts on engaging you in posts. Reading over what you have written in our latest banter. It has solidified in my mind, you actually appear to share a lot of Trumps qualities, low levels of value on life, corruption is ok, as long as it is groups you don't happen to like that are being affected and sowing seeds of hate and division is also ok too, as long as the groups you despise are the ones gnashing their teeth etc - I could go on and on with examples. With this in mind, my respect for you and your opinions has bottomed out to the point that for the first time in my 14 year kb history - I'm going to put someone on my ignore list. That is an achievement in itself I guess. Go you.

If that's your reading of what I think, you've missed some key points.

I place a great value on life, but not an absolute value on life. People die - I'm not God, neither are you, nor is Trump - sometimes there is absolutely nothing we can do. Sometimes you have to make decisions that will condemn (either directly or indirectly) some people to death, in order to achieve a greater end - I don't like it, but it is reality. How many people died fighting in WW2 that were directly sent in to die? Yet, we both agree it was right to do so, because inaction would have resulted in more people dying. We can hold lofty ideals that 'we don't play a numbers game with human life' but that is exactly what we do. You want me to agree that it's shitty and sucks? I absolutely do, but it doesn't make it any less real.

Corruption? I'm not a huge fan of it, but I'm also a pragmatist - when you have more than 2 people working together, nepotism, favouritism, favors and other forms of Corruption are inevitable - all we can do is try and put boundaries on it to make it as small as possible. For every accusation of Corruption that's been levelled against Trump - there is an equal if not greater amount wafting from the DNC.

Happening to groups I don't like? I'm not sure how you come to this conclusion - Hell, I've had to support the likes of Alex Jones (even though I don't like him) when it comes to principles of Free Speech - there's a few groups I will admit that I've felt pangs of satisfaction when they've been torn down by the monsters they actively created (whilst hurling vitriol at the likes of me for pointing out they are doing something terrible) - but even then, the underlying principle that I was opposed to in the first place remained unchanged.

Hate and Division? Not a fan of Either, You should do some reading on the correlation between the rises in Political Correctness and the deepening of hatred and division. The current Vogue of left-wing politics (intersectionality) is entirely about Hatred and Division, in a blind attempt to somehow 'equalise' the differences between individuals. If anything, my opposition to this form of Politics is proof that I'm opposed to Hatred and Division. Everytime I hear someone stand-up and proclaim their victim status as a PoC or 'Person of Colour' - all I hear is someone saying 'Coloureds' like some racist from the 60s. Everytime I see a TV show where the cast was clearly picked so as to fulfill the prescribed 'acceptable' quotas of minority characters, all I see is Tokenism and to quote Morgan Freeman who said it best "I don't know how to wake up as a black man, I only know how to Wake up".

if that's how you see it and you feel the need to block me, then fair enough. I'll extend the same courtesy to you as I do to everyone else who feels the need: should you ever be around parts where I am, I'll still be happy to buy you a beer.

[pritch]

Far from the strangest thing in the US currently, but the most effective public opposition to Trump is coming from the Lincoln Project - all of whom are from his own party. Meanwhile the Democrats are sleep walking toward the election.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHjJydZO99A

[pritch]

There's this:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52733220

Which is taking this to extremes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2Wx230gYJw

[FJRider]

Random thought: The 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution reads as follows:

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

The armed wannabe 'Meal Team Six' fuckwits that invaded their state legislature were in no way a "well regulated militia". They should have been rounded up and thrown in prison.

The meaning of "Bear arms" is ... to participate in military operations as a member of the armed forces. (Look it up) It is NOT just owning and/or carrying a firearm while not being in a formed military unit.

One thing to remember, If your side takes no prisoners ... there's a good chance the "other side" wont either ... :shifty:

To engage in any "hostilities" as a member of any undisciplined unit ... it will be the worst case of suicide you'll ever experience ... :shifty:

[FJRider]

Ask him about the 500,000 dead Iraqi children.

In some parts of the world ... they put a mob of cattle or sheep in a minefield to clear it.

Other places send their children. They hold their stock as having more value.

1939-45 ... children died in Berlin and London. And a few more cities as well.

Were the deaths intentional ... or casualties of war ... ???

[pritch]

To engage in any "hostilities" as a member of any undisciplined unit ... it will be the worst case of suicide you'll ever experience ... :shifty:

Those idiots that went armed into their state legislature with the intention of intimidating all and sundry could reasonably described as terrorists and could justifiably be treated as such.

Long ago I learned about 'internal security' and The Riot Act etc, but I don't think the US bother overmuch with such impediments. The events at Kent State certainly suggested they didn't.

[pritch]

Trump loves the military. There's another one for the simple minded.

Here's what Trump actually thinks of the military.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/19/national-guard-coronavirus-267514

[sugilite]

Trump loves the military. There's another one for the simple minded.

Here's what Trump actually thinks of the military.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/19/national-guard-coronavirus-267514
Yep, yet more chicanery and duplicitous behavior from this abhorrent administration.
The thing I've been pondering is - when your a President and you get told a pandemic is coming, many are already dying in other countries, and your health officials tell you it is already spreading through the country you govern. When that president then tries to bury the truth in a naive believe their lies will save the stock market. When this president knows that these lies and many others he is telling will absolutely cost lives - how is that not premeditated murder?

[pritch]

Brad Parscale is Trump's 2020 campaign manager. There have been stories about how fantastically he is doing for himself financially while working for Trump's campaign. When Trump sees this their beautiful relationship may grind to a halt. The latest from The Lincoln Project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYpTJTngXE8

[sugilite]

Brad Parscale is Trump's 2020 campaign manager. There have been stories about how fantastically he is doing for himself financially while working for Trump's campaign. When Trump sees this their beautiful relationship may grind to a halt. The latest from The Lincoln Project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYpTJTngXE8
#Swamp 2.0!
#freepass4trump!

[Katman]

Brad Parscale is Trump's 2020 campaign manager. There have been stories about how fantastically he is doing for himself financially while working for Trump's campaign. When Trump sees this their beautiful relationship may grind to a halt. The latest from The Lincoln Project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYpTJTngXE8

Seriously, you have the nerve to accuse others of posting shit videos?

[pritch]

Seriously, you have the nerve to accuse others of posting shit videos?

You have consistently demonstrated that you are unable to tell shit from sugar. Your opinion is entirely irrelevant.

[sugilite]

Is Trumps money before people tacit herd immunity project going to work out?
Looks like Sweden is finding out the hard way that maybe herd immunity has too higher price to pay.
Cure cannot be worse than the problem? How many have to die for cash to make it "Worth it"?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300017373/coronavirus-swedens-covid19-death-toll-surges

[Bonez]

Hell. Folk still haven't got over fact that Trump won the 2016 election without aid from the Russians and most of the Western intelligence agencies after him laugh: Bring on 2020 baby.......:yes:

[pritch]

Is Trumps money before people tacit herd immunity project going to work out?
Looks like Sweden is finding out the hard way that maybe herd immunity has too higher price to pay.
Cure cannot be worse than the problem? How many have to die for cash to make it "Worth it"?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300017373/coronavirus-swedens-covid19-death-toll-surges

Herd immunity seems such a crazy idea especially now that it seems there are more reports of people being reinfected.

Bolsonaro of Brazil likened the virus to a mild dose of the flu and has done zero to prevent it, so the number of cases there is skyrocketing.

All those states in the US that did nothing because "we aren't New York" are discovering they had more in common with NY than they thought.

[jasonu]

You have consistently demonstrated that you are unable to tell shit from sugar. Your opinion is entirely irrelevant.

Fucking rich coming from you.

[mashman]

Cure cannot be worse than the problem? How many have to die for cash to make it "Worth it"?

"structural violence is an "avoidable impairment of fundamental human needs"". (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structural_violence)... Yet we continue to vote for more of the same. Trump/Clinton et al are a symptom of our lack of ability to think critically enough to be able to sort shit from shinola. If Trump drains the swamp in any way, then he's doing everyone a favour whether we know it or not. If he doesn't drain it, then it's open season on the people, and I do mean open season.

[RDJ]

Is Trumps money before people tacit herd immunity project going to work out?
Looks like Sweden is finding out the hard way that maybe herd immunity has too higher price to pay.
Cure cannot be worse than the problem? How many have to die for cash to make it "Worth it"?
https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/coronavirus/300017373/coronavirus-swedens-covid19-death-toll-surges

1. Sweden does not currently have the highest reported death rate.

2. Sweden does have a lot of old people (as does Italy) and also a lot of non-social-distancing diversity reps (as does NYC).

3. Sweden did not attempt to isolate old people.

[sugilite]

Hell. Folk still haven't got over fact that Trump won the 2016 election without aid from the Russians and most of the Western intelligence agencies after him laugh: Bring on 2020 baby.......:yes:

The New Zealand election will interesting too :yes:
Bridges, Collins, and whats his name again? Which winner will national go for?

[Bonez]

Brad Parscale is Trump's 2020 campaign manager. There have been stories about how fantastically he is doing for himself financially while working for Trump's campaign. When Trump sees this their beautiful relationship may grind to a halt. The latest from The Lincoln Project.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYpTJTngXE8There's fictional novels about this shit. MSNBCs R Madcow has been telling bedtime stories since 2016..

[TheDemonLord]

Just for pure stirring-the-pot antics:

What is the view from our Left-wing aficionados on the so-called 'Obamagate'?

Now I've stated I would have voted for Obama, so I'm curious as to what others make of it.

I am yet to decide, there seems to be some accusations that at the very least have Merit to warrant further investigation, but it's hard to differentiate that from what can best be described as 'revenge hit-pieces'

[sugilite]

New study shows that up to 36,000 lives in the USA could of been saved had they gone into a lock down one week earlier than they did.
Imagine if they had a President who could of put the peoples needs in front of his own insecurities and ego?

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.15.20103655v1.full.pdf

#nofreepassfortrump
#lockhimup!

[TheDemonLord]

New study shows that up to 36,000 lives in the USA could of been saved had they gone into a lock down one week earlier than they did.

Now, for interests sake I decided to look up what the human toll was for the 2008 Financial crisis was.

2 estimates put the human cost at between 260,000 and 500,000 for just Cancer deaths, an additional 10,000 suicides are also linked to the 2008 financial crisis.

Everything has a Cost...

[Viking01]

Now, for interests sake I decided to look up what the human toll was for the 2008 Financial crisis was.

2 estimates put the human cost at between 260,000 and 500,000 for just Cancer deaths, an additional 10,000 suicides are also linked to the 2008 financial crisis.

Everything has a Cost...

Hope that you're not saying that the current financial crisis - and economic cost - is solely due to Covid ?

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/03/five-mega-wall-street-bank-stocks-have-lost-average-of-45-percent-in-five-weeks/

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/483845-great-economic-depression-2020/

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/484307-capitalism-bankruptcy-buybacks-fail/

[TheDemonLord]

Hope that you're not saying that the current financial crisis - and economic cost - is solely due to Covid ?

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/03/five-mega-wall-street-bank-stocks-have-lost-average-of-45-percent-in-five-weeks/

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/483845-great-economic-depression-2020/

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/484307-capitalism-bankruptcy-buybacks-fail/

I'll take those sourced with a grain of salt, but the point was to say highlight this:

Not locking down a country = People die.
Locking down a country and the subsequent economic impact = People Die.

Some people are quick to tout one, whilst ignoring the other.

[pritch]

Interesting report from the US Army Corps of engineers. If you read it carefully you will note that since January 2017, when Trump took office, exactly three miles of new wall have been completed. That's one mile a year. This job is going to take thousands of years.

[sugilite]

Interesting report from the US Army Corps of engineers. If you read it carefully you will note that since January 2017, when Trump took office, exactly three miles of new wall have been completed. That's one mile a year. This job is going to take thousands of years.

He only dusts of the wall thing when he needs to whip up support from the neanderthals that think it will actually make a difference.
The Dow is way up today, and to think all it took was thousands upon thousands of bodies in order to pave the road to the transition to greatness.
#die4thedow!

[Viking01]

Interesting report from the US Army Corps of engineers. If you read it carefully you will note that since January 2017, when Trump took office, exactly three miles of new wall have been completed. That's one mile a year. This job is going to take thousands of years.

Maybe Don should engage a Chinese firm to do the job. At least they can point to a wall of some size.

[sugilite]

Imagine if they deleted his lying tweets, 95 percent of them would disappear lol
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12335325

[pritch]

Imagine if they deleted his lying tweets, 95 percent of them would disappear lol
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12335325

Odd that they fact checked a couple of his tweets protesting postal voting. He has been accusing a TV host of murder, referring to it as a "cold case". It's no such thing.

[TheDemonLord]

Imagine if they deleted his lying tweets, 95 percent of them would disappear lol
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12335325

A Court ruled that his Tweets represent official Government communication and therefore cannot be deleted.

However this is an unprecedent move by Twitter and may finally force the issue of Social Media/Tech censorship or Bias.

Twitter vs the President - will be interesting to see who wins, I know who I've got my money on.

[pritch]

A Court ruled that his Tweets represent official Government communication and therefore cannot be deleted.



True, if misleading. It's not at all unusual for Trump to delete tweets. When one of his many misspellings or factually gibberish tweets attracts more than the usual amount of public ridicule, he deletes the original tweet and writes another less embarrassing version. Presumably with the assistance of White House staff.

There was a suggestion from a MAGAt that Trump cancel his Twitter account and take it - and all his followers - to a competitor. (Who knew there even was a competitor?)

My reaction, puhleeeze. The average IQ on Twitter would jump fifty points.

[Katman]

The average IQ on Twitter would jump fifty points.

Wow, yours might actually jump to triple digits.

[jasonu]

Wow, yours might actually jump to triple digits.

Unlikely...

[Bonez]

My reaction, puhleeeze. The average IQ on Twitter would jump fifty points.Oh the irony:yes:

[sugilite]

There was a suggestion from a MAGAt that Trump cancel his Twitter account and take it - and all his followers - to a competitor. (Who knew there even was a competitor?)


Fact: Trump needs Twitter more than Twitter needs Trump, though if course he is important to them.

Any public figure should be fact checked, not just Trump.
But yes, I've been laughing at Trumps outraged reaction because his barefaced lying on twitter is quite critical to him doing well this election. And how inconvenient that these lies be pointed out to the all important swing voters who will take the time to actually read the facts. His base won't, because they are all about the lies - including the ones they tell to themselves.

[TheDemonLord]

Any public figure should be fact checked, not just Trump.


Sure, but how and by whom?

Some statements can be considered false if certain viewpoints are used and can be considered true if certain different viewpoints are used.

Then you have the problem that Twitter has created for themselves - they have effectively editorialised Trump's Tweet. This is highly important because by doing that they are no longer merely a service provider, they are a publisher.

Honestly I'm quite happy about this - I've long been annoyed at the creeping censorship and left-wing bias of the Big Tech companies and now it seems they've pushed it too far and are going to get the slapdown they so rightly deserved.

[pritch]

Some statements can be considered false if certain viewpoints are used and can be considered true if certain different viewpoints are used.


The very definition of "alternative facts". Apparently you missed the joke completely.


I've long been annoyed at the creeping censorship and left-wing bias of the Big Tech companies and now it seems they've pushed it too far and are going to get the slapdown they so rightly deserved.

This is nonsense on several levels. There has been virtually no censorship of social media. Facebook, Twitter, 4chan, whatever.

Zuckerburg has had private meetings with Trump and has done nothing to suggest he doesn't actually support the administration. @Jack of Twitter took a holiday in Myanmar while the regime there was committing genocide against the Rohingya people. Hardly an indication of a left wing bias.

All Twitter did to Trump's tweets protesting postal voting was provide a link to a site that contains factual information. Doesn't matter how you look at it, that is not censorship.

Trump doesn't create laws that's the job of Congress. What he may do, or try to do, is repeal or block the protection provided to Internet content providers contained in section 230.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230

[TheDemonLord]

The very definition of "alternative facts". Apparently you missed the joke completely.

Not at all. Consider the Statement: 'Nuclear Weapons are entirely Safe' - Is that a True or a False statement? In the sense that we haven't had a 'negligent discharge' of a Nuke and where Nuclear Armed Bombers have crashed, they haven't accidentally detonated - it's True. In the sense that a single ICBM can wipe out all the major population centres of a Country, it's false.

Now, WHO gets to decide which perspective is correct? The answer is that it is up to the Individual to weigh the information and then make their own choice. Then when enough Individuals agree on something, we get a consensus. It is not up to Google, Twitter, Facebook etc. to dictate down to us.

Or perhaps a more relevant example given the Political nature of the discussion:

A Trans-Woman is a Male.


This is nonsense on several levels. There has been virtually no censorship of social media. Facebook, Twitter, 4chan, whatever.

Yeah... The fact you include 4Chan with Facebook and Twitter is grounds enough to dismiss what you are saying as ignorant.

Facebook and Twitter have a long history of Censorship - Tommy Robinson, Alex Jones, Carl Benjamin, Candice Owens etc. Now - I know that you and I disagree on the validity of some of those people, However I'm going to focus on Tommy's banning because it's the most interesting. The Claim from Facebook initially was that he had actively called for the beheading of Muslims.

Now on face value, that's a crime, and absolutely grounds for being kicked off of a platform. However, given Tommy's public profile, we all know that had his verified account said that, it would be within nano-seconds screenshotted, and sent around the usual outrage-rags (Guardian, NY Times, Washington Post, Buzzfeed etc.) as final vindication and proof that he's the horrible racist that they've claimed.

No. Such. Thing. Happened.

Then you've got admission by Facebook personel on a Nordic chat show "Well There isn't one particular post where we can say 'this is the post'" which is a teensy-weensy different from the original claim.

See below for Source (9:55 in case the timestamp doesn't work):


https://youtu.be/echsPereZTM?t=595

I'll now point to Alex Jones - I don't like him, I think he's a loon, whether you claim he's merely entertainment or he's serious in his conviction - I think he's a Fuckwit.

But.

He has a right to speak, that was removed in a clearly co-ordinated effort by those who simply did not like him.


Zuckerburg has had private meetings with Trump and has done nothing to suggest he doesn't actually support the administration. @Jack of Twitter took a holiday in Myanmar while the regime there was committing genocide against the Rohingya people. Hardly indication of a left wing bias.

How about from the Man himself:

"which I fully admit is left, is more left-leaning,"

When asked about Bias in the application of the rules.


All Twitter did to Trump's tweets protesting postal voting was provide a link to a site that contains factual information. Doesn't matter how you look at it, that is not censorship

That isn't, but shadow-banning conservatives, de-promoting their content etc. is. But more importantly - doing the above is an Editorial action - which negates their claim that they are 'just a service provider'.

Not to mention the above could be considered interfering with an Election, if it was bad when supposedly 'it was the Russians!' doing it, how is it right when it's the Company who hosts the discussion is doing it?

[Katman]

There has been virtually no censorship of social media. Facebook, Twitter, 4chan, whatever.

Are you serious? :shit:

Tell that to Judy Mikovits.

[Bonez]

Are you serious? :shit:

Tell that to Judy Mikovits.pritch is from another planet. I would have thought all of KB would've figured that out by now.

[pritch]

A creative attempt to alter Zuck's outlook.

[Naki Rat]

Are you serious? :shit:

Tell that to Judy Mikovits.She's only one example but anyone who is posting on those platforms about treatments that are a threat to the pharmaceutical companies are gone burgers pretty damn quick. Follow the $s people!

[sugilite]

Annnd Twitter fights back - YES!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300024333/twitter-adds-rare-warning-to-donald-trump-tweet-that-it-is-glorifying-violence
I personally don't much see the glorification of violence in Trumps tweet, so absolutely definitely a "Fuck You" shot across the bow from Twitter lol
Queue more wah wah wahhhh from "Just let me Lie FFS" Trump :baby::baby::baby:
I saw a photo of the CEO of Twitter earlier, and thought to myself, this guy looks like he has a bit of fight in him.
Trump could move top FB I guess, then he can be suckerbergs problem :laugh:

[austingtir]

Annnd Twitter fights back - YES!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300024333/twitter-adds-rare-warning-to-donald-trump-tweet-that-it-is-glorifying-violence
I personally don't much see the glorification of violence in Trumps tweet, so absolutely definitely a "Fuck You" shot across the bow from Twitter lol
Queue more wah wah wahhhh from "Just let me Lie FFS" Trump :baby::baby::baby:
I saw a photo of the CEO of Twitter earlier, and thought to myself, this guy looks like he has a bit of fight in him.
Trump could move top FB I guess, then he can be suckerbergs problem :laugh:


So do you really think Twitter is going to win this fight?

My money's banked on the Donald everytime.


Dorksey doesnt stand a chance.

[sugilite]

So do you really think Twitter is going to win this fight?

My money's banked on the Donald everytime.


Dorksey doesnt stand a chance.

Well, we will see won't we. Taking the shot they did would suggest they are confidant. And you can bet the Twitter lawyers have deep dived into what powers Trump actually has. And Dorksey as you call him appears to be way richer than desperate to hide his tax returns Trump. (lets be honest here Austin, Due to Trumps massive ego, if his tax returns were worth boasting about he would be shouting their contents from the top of every hill he could find).
I'm just enjoying watching crybaby Trump go nuclear over possibly losing his ability to barefaced lie to the public :lol:

[pritch]

I personally don't much see the glorification of violence in Trumps tweet, so absolutely definitely a "Fuck You" shot across the bow from Twitter lol


The tweet quoted in the article you posted is incomplete. Trump’s original tweet concludes with the words, “When the looting starts the shooting starts. Thank you.”

Trump had already retweeted a supporters tweet today containing the words, “The only good Democrat is a dead Democrat”.

If Trump actually manages to make content providers responsible for posts on their site both of those would be problematical, although that probably won’t have crossed his drug addled mind.

[austingtir]

Well, we will see won't we. Taking the shot they did would suggest they are confidant. And you can bet the Twitter lawyers have deep dived into what powers Trump actually has. And Dorksey as you call him appears to be way richer than desperate to hide his tax returns Trump. (lets be honest here Austin, Due to Trumps massive ego, if his tax returns were worth boasting about he would be shouting their contents from the top of every hill he could find).
I'm just enjoying watching crybaby Trump go nuclear over possibly losing his ability to barefaced lie to the public :lol:


You realize twitter was or still is part owned by the same saudi prince that shot up the mandalay bay hotel in vegas right?

Trump knows who owns most of twitter and does not like that guy at all from day dot.

This wont go how you think its going to go.


Trumps been waiting for Twitter to goof like this.

[pritch]

So do you really think Twitter is going to win this fight?

My money's banked on the Donald everytime.


Dorksey doesnt stand a chance.

Who woke you up? Trump thinks he’s a king. Problem is he is a mad king.

[austingtir]

JUST LMAO


CNN reporter and crew arrested live on air!


https://twitter.com/Sujayanth/status/1266313710441766912














Today was Glorious!!!

[pritch]

And the shooting has started.

[sugilite]

You realize twitter was or still is part owned by the same saudi prince that shot up the mandalay bay hotel in vegas right?

Trump knows who owns most of twitter and does not like that guy at all from day dot.

This wont go how you think its going to go.


Trumps been waiting for Twitter to goof like this.

I actually don't have a feeling any which way that this will go, but I have the popcorn at the ready :yes:

[jasonu]

JUST LMAO


CNN reporter and crew arrested live on air!


https://twitter.com/Sujayanth/status/1266313710441766912


Today was Glorious!!!

CNN, race baiters and shit stirrers.


https://ktvz.com/news/national-world/2020/05/29/a-cnn-crew-has-been-arrested-while-covering-minneapolis-protests/

[TheDemonLord]

Annnd Twitter fights back - YES!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/300024333/twitter-adds-rare-warning-to-donald-trump-tweet-that-it-is-glorifying-violence
I personally don't much see the glorification of violence in Trumps tweet, so absolutely definitely a "Fuck You" shot across the bow from Twitter lol
Queue more wah wah wahhhh from "Just let me Lie FFS" Trump :baby::baby::baby:
I saw a photo of the CEO of Twitter earlier, and thought to myself, this guy looks like he has a bit of fight in him.
Trump could move top FB I guess, then he can be suckerbergs problem :laugh:

"I Fought the Law and the.... Law Won"

[Bonez]

And the shooting has started.It never stopped! Were have you been for the last 200 years?

[sugilite]

Queue Trump calling a pop star with 86 million followers a washed up has been :lol:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/121678137/taylor-swift-takes-on-donald-trump-we-will-vote-you-out-in-november
She not my taste in music, but she can spot a shit President when she sees one.

See his distraction program away from how he and his poor handling of the virus situation has killed thousands is in full swing.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300024394/trump-tries-to-explain-looting-leads-to-shooting-tweet-after-backlash

#Inevereverdidanythingiwasaccusedof
#gullibletrumpeteers

[husaberg]

Queue Trump calling a pop star with 86 million followers a washed up has been :lol:
https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/celebrities/121678137/taylor-swift-takes-on-donald-trump-we-will-vote-you-out-in-november
She not my taste in music, but she can spot a shit President when she sees one.

See his distraction program away from how he and his poor handling of the virus situation has killed thousands is in full swing.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300024394/trump-tries-to-explain-looting-leads-to-shooting-tweet-after-backlash

#Inevereverdidanythingiwasaccusedof
#gullibletrumpeteers

Oh no he didnt............


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2ElhBAJi3Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNFRuHyntW0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gujoslOsj58

https://the-hollywood-gossip-res.cloudinary.com/iu/s--yjcTxHQE--/t_full/cs_srgb,f_auto,fl_strip_profile.lossy,q_auto:420/v1469821913/attachment/donald-trump-taylor-swift-tweet.jpg

[pritch]

See his distraction program away from how he and his poor handling of the virus situation has killed thousands is in full swing.


Yeah, and it's working. Except that something like another 1200 people died of the virus yesterday. People tend to notice things like that - eventually.

The figures should be interesting toward the end of next week following the Memorial Day weekend parties and protests. At least the protesters in Minneapolis are wearing masks to protect themselves from tear gas, their masks might help stop the spread of the virus too.

[austingtir]

Im still recovering from multiple orgasms watching a fox news livestream of CNN HQ in Atlanta getting torn up by leftists...

https://i.imgur.com/23wuC2G.jpg

WHEW.


CNN: incites riots
Rioters attack CNN
CNN:
https://i.imgur.com/TMxN53Q.jpg

[sugilite]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coY19wXp16k

[austingtir]

Herp derp



https://youtu.be/JdKI1wj-JpI

[sugilite]

https://youtu.be/JdKI1wj-JpI

Hey Austin, ya Looking forward to another term for Labor and Jacinda? :devil2:

[austingtir]

Hey Austin, ya Looking forward to another term for Labor and Jacinda? :devil2:


Doesnt matter to me im not voting labour or national. Both are globalist shill parties anyway so its irrelevant which one runs the show to me.


But im going to laugh my ass off when labour doesnt get back in september.


This muller guy has already done a deal with NZfirst. For those that dont know he's good mates with a couple of NZfirst MP's.


Doesnt matter what BS the MSM makes up about labours polling numbers it wont be enough without NZfirst and the greens.

[mashman]

"Online battles between far right groups and anti-fascists – or "Antifa" – are now regularly spilling out onto the streets of America." - Taken from a BBC page describing ANTIFA,.

I read the above comment today when I went to find out what ANTIFA actually is. All opinions on ANTIFA aside, as well as all opinions on the alt-right aside: What is the narrative?

One group is "arguing" with another group over the internet. One group is anti-fascist. The other group isn't. I'll say that one more time, "One group ISN'T.".

It would seem that the right are fascists by their own admission given that they do not support ANTIFA... especially given that, somewhat satirically, the left are using the tactics of the right against itself and are derided for it.

If you're not for ANTIFA, you are a fascist. Ok, that looks like an opinion, but the evidence speaks for itself.

[Katman]

If you're not for ANTIFA, you are a fascist. Ok, that looks like an opinion, but the evidence speaks for itself.

Well I'd want to know exactly who is behind the ANTIFA movement and what their real agenda is before I considered agreeing with the opinion.

[pritch]

Well I'd want to know exactly who is behind the ANTIFA movement and what their real agenda is before I considered agreeing with the opinion.

You are assuming a number of things that may not exist. Ive seen no reports of it being a national organisation. So far it seems to have been a series of counter protests in reaction to the likes of the Proud Boys and others.

Anybody who is anti the antifascists makes their position clear.

[Katman]

You are assuming a number of things that may not exist. Ive seen no reports of it being a national organisation. So far it seems to have been a series of counter protests in reaction to the likes of the Proud Boys and others.

Anybody who is anti the antifascists makes their position clear.

I'm not assuming anything.

Unlike yourself by the sound of it.

[austingtir]

Anybody supporting antifa is an utter halfwit.

Just the same as anybody supporting facists (which the proud boys imo arent)

Antifa needs a boogyman to stay relevant.

Both a flip sides of the same coin.

You two idiots clearly dont know history.

I mean its good that your honest about supporting communists atleast so everyone on here can know what your about and all.


https://i.imgur.com/wCxpIEy.jpg

[pritch]

I'm not assuming anything.

Unlike yourself by the sound of it.

Your post assumed there was someone behind it and that there was an agenda.

"Well I'd want to know exactly who is behind the ANTIFA movement and what their real agenda is"

It would seem that you don't know what you are writing. Literally.

[Katman]

Your post assumed there was someone behind it and that there was an agenda.

"Well I'd want to know exactly who is behind the ANTIFA movement and what their real agenda is"

It would seem that you don't know what you are writing. Literally.

If there was no-one 'behind' the ANITFA movement, there'd be no ANTIFA movement.

And every movement has an agenda.

[austingtir]

They should start rounding up anyone white wearing a gas mask over there. I would bet if they looked through video evidence nearly every single one of these people will of been at previous Antifa shin digs. These people are the main instigators riling everyone else up.

The guy that started the riots in minnesota at the target to me was clearly antifa. They've clearly been planning his and are wearing these gas masks instead of their usual antifa regalia face covers.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266521909602246658

Brandon Bowser
@brandonBowser10

So I decided to go to the Capitol today in Denver. Black protester telling antifa member that he needs to stop defacing statues.

[austingtir]

And there it is:


Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump

It’s ANTIFA and the Radical Left. Don’t lay the blame on others!

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1266760009872007171

[austingtir]

USA TODAY
✔
@USATODAY
A security expert says intelligence reports indicate most of the hard-core protesters in Minneapolis are far-left or anarchists, and that far-right groups have not yet made a significant appearance

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266807589913927680


" 'There are anarchists': Minnesota officials say 'outside agitators' are hijacking peaceful protests "

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2020/05/30/george-floyd-protests-riots-violent-outside-agitators-minnesota/5291658002/

[TheDemonLord]

Well I'd want to know exactly who is behind the ANTIFA movement and what their real agenda is before I considered agreeing with the opinion.

In short, the Communist 'Bloc'.

That is, the Marxist Professors, the Marxist 'journalists', Professional Activists etc. there's also been suggestion (but not substantiated) that there may be some well known and wealthy patrons who are financially backing these groups.

As for the other commenters 'if you are against the Anti-Fascists, then you are pro-fascism' - what a load of bullshit. I'm against them because they are nothing but violent wannabe revolutionaries who want to setup a Communist state - well, we know what the end result of that is, and I'm against that.

The fact that there may be fascists who agree with me is irrelevant, because I'm also not aligned with them - since they also tend to end up with a totalitarian state that restricts the freedoms of the individual.

[Bonez]

You are assuming a number of things that may not exist. Ive seen no reports of it being a national organisation. So far it seems to have been a series of counter protests in reaction to the likes of the Proud Boys and others.

Anybody who is anti the antifascists makes their position clear.ANTIFA are a bunch of Soros paid thugs used to terrorise commuties. Doesn't mater whether they are deemed the be Facist or not. Do keep out with FACTS will you.

[Katman]

In short, the Communist 'Bloc'.

Or it could be just a globalist versus nationalist issue.

A one world government isn't going to materialise all by itself.

[sugilite]

Left, Right, Left, Right, Left, Right, Left, Right - The Divided States of America marches ever closer to oblivion.

Time for the big Chief to stand up and steady the course. The golf course that is - time to tee off at Mar-a-lago Mr President.

[mashman]

Well I'd want to know exactly who is behind the ANTIFA movement and what their real agenda is before I considered agreeing with the opinion.

Fair enough. I wouldn't care so long as the organisation sticks to what it says it's trying to do. But in answer to who s funding ANTIFA, it's the same people as are funding the right. You can't win if you don't own both sides. The same strategy has been uses for centuries to create war. Control both sides.

[mashman]

Anybody supporting antifa is an utter halfwit.

Just the same as anybody supporting facists (which the proud boys imo arent)

Antifa needs a boogyman to stay relevant.

Both a flip sides of the same coin.

You two idiots clearly dont know history.

I mean its good that your honest about supporting communists atleast so everyone on here can know what your about and all.

Fucking idiot. I was sure you were on my ignore list..........

[Katman]

Fair enough. I wouldn't care so long as the organisation sticks to what it says it's trying to do. But in answer to who s funding ANTIFA, it's the same people as are funding the right. You can't win if you don't own both sides. The same strategy has been uses for centuries to create war. Control both sides.

And therein lies the problem.

It matters not whether the 'organisation' sticks to what it says it's trying to do, if those who are doing the funding have a somewhat different agenda.

[husaberg]

Note the difference..........


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhWPw5UZGJQ&list=PLxYCKXSWUoGcK0pYzSrpxZv1cEKjMBS4C&index=74
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e3T3VHmEkg

[mashman]

ANTIFA are a bunch of Soros paid thugs used to terrorise commuties. Doesn't mater whether they are deemed the be Facist or not. Do keep out with FACTS will you.

No they're not. There's a bunch of thugs that Soros looks to have paid to terrorise communities... that also have affiliations with/have infiltrated/potentially direct ANTIFA. If Soros is antifascist. And you are antifascist. Then you and Soros are brothers.

[mashman]

And therein lies the problem.

It matters not whether the 'organisation' sticks to what it says it's trying to do, if those who are doing the funding have a somewhat different agenda.

I take your point, but the funding will only matter if there are enough members. Where the members continue to show support for a thing, I highly doubt the majority of ANTIFA supporters condone violence (even though ANTIFA do not explicitly rule the use of violence out as a form of defense), but where they continue to support such a direction, then it is the responsibility of the members to drop it like a hot sack of shit so that it can no longer continue off-piste. Yes absolutely the money matters, but the support must be there for the organisation to exist in a way that funding can be seen as something other than tipping into a black hole. Alas we aren't that educated. Everybody knows, but they don't :killingme...

[austingtir]

No they're not. There's a bunch of thugs that Soros looks to have paid to terrorise communities... that also have affiliations with/have infiltrated/potentially direct ANTIFA. If Soros is antifascist. And you are antifascist. Then you and Soros are brothers.




I take your point, but the funding will only matter if there are enough members. Where the members continue to show support for a thing, I highly doubt the majority of ANTIFA supporters condone violence (even though ANTIFA do not explicitly rule the use of violence out as a form of defense), but where they continue to support such a direction, then it is the responsibility of the members to drop it like a hot sack of shit so that it can no longer continue off-piste. Yes absolutely the money matters, but the support must be there for the organisation to exist in a way that funding can be seen as something other than tipping into a black hole. Alas we aren't that educated. Everybody knows, but they don't :killingme...


Thanks for further proving your nothing but a complete cabbage.


https://i.imgur.com/pgZY0VW.jpg

[austingtir]

Obama didnt have a rocket launch into space. Loosers.
















You can think of all the future astronauts he put in cages and bombed with drones tho



























Trump 2020!!!!

[pritch]

Left, Right, Left, Right, Left, Right, Left, Right - The Divided States of America marches ever closer to oblivion.

Time for the big Chief to stand up and steady the course. The golf course that is - time to tee off at Mar-a-lago Mr President.

Or perhaps Bedminster? He allegedly has a house there reserved for the Secret Service staff. He rents it to the Secret Secret for US$17,000 a month. Biden also rents a house to the Secret Service staff but at a more normal $2,000.

Anyhoo, they really do need a grownup in the house.

[austingtir]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1266895821083234304

[Bonez]

No they're not. There's a bunch of thugs that Soros looks to have paid to terrorise communities... that also have affiliations with/have infiltrated/potentially direct ANTIFA. If Soros is antifascist. And you are antifascist. Then you and Soros are brothers.What a load of dribble:lol: BAMN and DLM are in the same catagory as ANTIFA-Thugs.

[Bonez]

Good news. The National Guard has been sent to do what the Mayor and local authorities of Minnesota apparently can't do- sort out the thugs trashing the place.:2thumbsup

[austingtir]

Mashman's even more retarded cousins paying black people to riot.....


https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266941632659808256



These black people should just start kurb stomping all these communist fools. Its going to be black people that end up getting shot when the Nat guard rolls in there to sort this mess out.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266958935183024133

[sugilite]

Mashman's even more retarded cousins paying black people to riot.....


https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266941632659808256


https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1266958935183024133

Yeah, it's not like the black people have a legitimate enough beef to begin with, they need the left wing mob to pay them to riot. :laugh:
You really just cannot help but believe every conspiracy caper going huh Austin.

Could end up like what happened in Egypt a few years back, president got out of bed, drew back the curtains to find 3 million people gathered wishing him dead. Then he found out the army he controlled did not want to kill that many people and gave him the big yeah nah bro.

[pete376403]

Rioters...

[pritch]

Trump has declared Antifa a terrorist organisation.

There's a number of things wrong with that: there is nothing to join, no subs to pay, Antifa is not an organisation as such.

The technique is frequently used in other repressive regimes. Making a group illegal provides the opportunity to decide anybody is a member of the group and put them under surveillance, or arrest, or whatever, bypassing the normal legal niceties.

Trump has also banned photographs in the White House today. The suspicion is he can't stand up properly. On his last two public appearances he has had difficulty remaining upright.

Meanwhile the country burns... I bet they wish they had a president.

[Bonez]

Trump has declared Antifa a terrorist organisation. .What a fucken idiot you are.:tugger: You've seen the damage they done over the few years Millions in damage to business, campus and private property. Do Al Quida have a join up fee? What about the old folk they've assaulted, serving servicemen on break and folks like Andy No, a gay independent reporter.

[tri boy]

USA-
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Oh well, just another behemouth burning down.:yawn:

[pritch]

Trump acts tough on Twitter as he incites a race war but the cowardly fat fuck is hiding in a bunker underneath the White House.

Actually there's historic precedence for that.

[pritch]

Antifa leader identified.

[jasonu]

Trump acts tough on Twitter as he incites a race war but the cowardly fat fuck is hiding in a bunker underneath the White House.

Actually there's historic precedence for that.

You are the dumbest cunt ever.

[pritch]

The Lincoln Project is at it again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5w7kwtLJtVc

[Bonez]

You are the dumbest cunt ever.Yip. The history of the planet even.:laugh:

[pritch]

This is apparently very rare, almost unheard of, the White House flood lights are out. If he hasn't already fled to Moscow, Trump is still cowering in the bunker.

[Kickaha]

Trump acts tough on Twitter as he incites a race war but the cowardly fat fuck is hiding in a bunker underneath the White House.


Hang on a minute, you're talking about a man who said he'd take on a school shooter

[TheDemonLord]

Antifa leader identified.

Actually, Sir Winston Churchill (that very famous, Staunch Conservative) would have told the Antifa lot to rightly get thee hence.

He saw the poison of the Soviet Union to the point he was ready to go to war with them after WW2.

[pete376403]

Obama didnt have a rocket launch into space.

Neither did Trump. Elon Musk did, with American taxpayers (of whom trump is not one) footing the bill

[sugilite]

Hang on a minute, you're talking about a man who said he'd take on a school shooter
Without a gun he said, if only huh.

[husaberg]

Obama didnt have a rocket launch into space. Loosers.


Odd as back in the real world, while Obama was US president, there were 11 manned US space shuttle missions.
Obama US president January 20, 2009 – January 20, 2017

Discovery 15 March 2009

Alantis 11 May 2009

Endeavour 15 July 2009

Discovery 28 August 2009

Atlantis 16 November 2009

Endeavour 8 February 2010

Discovery 5 April 2010

Atlantis 14 May 2010

Discovery 24 February 2011

Endeavour 16 May 2011

Atlantis 8 July 2011

So either you are talking your usual twaddle or it was just more fake news those NASA space missions.:lol:

not only that, as if at alone wasnt enough, Trump knows bugger all about Musk or the space X program.

KERNEN: Tesla's now worth more than GM and Ford. Do you have comments on Elon Musk?
TRUMP: Well -- you have to give him credit. I spoke to him very recently, and he's also doing the rockets. He likes rockets. And -- he does good at rockets too, by the way. I never saw where the engines come down with no wings, no anything, and they're landing. I said I've never seen that before. And I was worried about him, because he's one of our great geniuses, and we have to protect our genius. You know, we have to protect Thomas Edison and we have to protect all of these people that -- came up with originally the light bulb and -- the wheel and all of these things. And he's one of our very smart people and we want to-- we want to cherish those people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxEwTFJG1DQ
So trump thought Edison is alive and invented the wheel as well............
here is Obama touring Space X years ago. with Musk
https://www.siliconrepublic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/201308/obamaandmusk-718x523.jpg

[pritch]

Hang on a minute, you're talking about a man who said he'd take on a school shooter

True. He said he'd run toward the action unarmed. This is a guy who can't get out of a chair unassisted, and who used a full motorcade to cross the road. He hasn't run anywhere in decades.

Last week he said he was playing golf for the exercise, but he even drives his golf cart onto the green. Not much exercise there.

[pritch]

It turns out Trump's remarks about declaring Antifa a terrorist organisation are another example of his 'mad king' syndrome. He has no authority to declare any US body of any sort terrorist.

We could be forgiven for wondering why somebody hasn't actually explained the job to him by now.

[Grumph]

It turns out Trump's remarks about declaring Antifa a terrorist organisation are another example of his 'mad king' syndrome. He has no authority to declare any US body of any sort terrorist.

We could be forgiven for wondering why somebody hasn't actually explained the job to him by now.

I'm picking ADD - and no Ritalin.

I see he's had a rant at the State governors per phone. Half an hour plus of telling them that test and trace is the State's responsibility, they must "dominate" the protestors - and most of them are "too weak"

Effectively he's abdicated. No leadership on the pandemic. Inflaming the race situation even more than it is. In conjuction with Senate Republicans, stopping the progress of the next economic relief bill.
The current relief provisions will end very shortly, there's a follow up bill sitting waiting for the Senate along with around 200 other bills passed by the House - but the Republicans won't move anything along.

In about a week the US will get even worse.

What's the prick going to do then ?

[TheDemonLord]

It turns out Trump's remarks about declaring Antifa a terrorist organisation are another example of his 'mad king' syndrome. He has no authority to declare any US body of any sort terrorist.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-domestic-terrorists-us-security-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html

That was back in 2017.

So you'll be rescinding your comments then?

[TheDemonLord]

I see he's had a rant at the State governors per phone. Half an hour plus of telling them that test and trace is the State's responsibility, they must "dominate" the protestors - and most of them are "too weak"

Have you ever noticed, that all of the Violent and destructive Riots during Trumps Tenure (so not just the latest batch) that are comprised of various Far-Left Groups - BLM, ANTIFA, BAMM etc. Only ever happen in areas where the Governor and state office is Held by the Democrats?

One might even say (considering the shared common values of the Mainstream Democrat party and these activists groups) that there is a degree of Complicity between the State Authorities and these protestors, like when orders were given to Police to Stand down during an Antifa riot....

Just a thought....

[Bonez]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-domestic-terrorists-us-security-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html

That was back in 2017.

So you'll be rescinding your comments then?He wont. He's just not that type of person.:oi-grr: Even leftist Professors are admitting these riots are bad for their cause.

[TheDemonLord]

Even leftist Professors are admitting these riots are bad for their cause.

"The Monster we actively created and cheered as it ate our Enemies is now starting to Eat us! Won't somebody help us!"

[pritch]

So you'll be rescinding your comments then?

Briefly, no. If you read that again you'll see that the concern was that there would be violence between the various fascist groups and Antifa. The solution was to declare Antifa terrorists.

Apart from being supremely simple minded it's also currently illegal.
Overseas groups such as Daesh and Al Qaeda can be declared terrorist organisations, but the law that permits that does not apply within the US.
Yet.

You really do need to work on your comprehension skills.

[TheDemonLord]

Briefly, no. If you read that again you'll see that the concern was that there would be violence between the various fascist groups and Antifa. The solution was to declare Antifa terrorists.

And why is that?

Is it because Antifa are usually the ones who instigate the Violent protests and Riots?

Can you point me to a Riot where a bunch of far-right activists burnt down large parts of a city, spray painting swastikas* and fascist slogans?

*Note - that doesn't include ones that have been painted by Far-Left groups as justification for their mayhem.


Overseas groups such as Daesh and Al Qaeda can be declared terrorist organisations, but the law that permits that does not apply within the US.

Antifa have overseas 'chapters' or 'groups' - Therefore it is entirely correct to label them as such.

Should I also point out that the origins of Antifa are from Germany - which, I'm pretty sure is overseas from the US....


You really do need to work on your comprehension skills.

Indeed - care to elaborate then on the difference between being labelled a Domestic Terrorist organization and a Terrorist organization?

I'll save you the trouble and forgo my usual pedantry - the bit that is important is the word that begins with 'T'

[pritch]

Donald Trump the bravest man in America


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/06/01/donald-trump-is-bravest-man-america/

[pritch]

In his latest speech he wants to bring in the US Army. Not the National Guard, the army. Last time I looked that too was illegal, unless possibly he declared martial law. That may change things. It would certainly change him, he could go full blown mad king.

A threat like that will have the constitutional lawyers excited, there should be informed legal comment available shortly.

[Katman]

.....there should be informed legal comment available shortly.

As opposed to the aimless flapping of your gums.

[sugilite]

In his latest speech he wants to bring in the US Army. Not the National Guard, the army. Last time I looked that too was illegal, unless possibly he declared martial law. That may change things. It would certainly change him, he could go full blown mad king.

A threat like that will have the constitutional lawyers excited, there should be informed legal comment available shortly.

I fear (for the American people) that Trump is going to find out the hard way that violence begets violence.

[Bonez]

I fear (for the American people) that Trump is going to find out the hard way that violence begets violence.The violance has already started or haven't you notice that over the last 3 years?

[Naki Rat]

I fear (for the American people) that Trump is going to find out the hard way that violence begets violence.Proposing to send in the heavy squad to deal with the riots sparked by a black man being killed, by probably killing a few more. That should sort out the situation... :facepalm:

[TheDemonLord]

Proposing to send in the heavy squad to deal with the riots sparked by a black man being killed, by probably killing a few more. That should sort out the situation... :facepalm:

Peace....


Through superior Firepower.

[pritch]

It seems that Trump had the forces of 'law and order' violently remove peaceful protestors from in front of the White House so that he could go to a nearby church for a photo op. Photo ops are the only reason he goes to church - other than funerals.

[sugilite]

The violance has already started or haven't you notice that over the last 3 years?
Which just happens to coincide with a real estate reality television actor taking on a job he is not even remotely qualified to do. Or have you not noticed that - both the violence and ineptitude as president?

[husaberg]

Briefly, no. If you read that again you'll see that the concern was that there would be violence between the various fascist groups and Antifa. The solution was to declare Antifa terrorists.

Apart from being supremely simple minded it's also currently illegal.
Overseas groups such as Daesh and Al Qaeda can be declared terrorist organisations, but the law that permits that does not apply within the US.
Yet.

You really do need to work on your comprehension skills.

not to mention the wording domestic
the US government has no existing legal authority to label a wholly domestic group in the manner it currently designates foreign terrorist organizations.

[TheDemonLord]

Which just happens to coincide with a real estate reality television actor taking on a job he is not even remotely qualified to do. Or have you not noticed that - both the violence and ineptitude as president?

Patently Bullshit.

It's been brewing for a very long time, the first real event in the so-called 'Culture War' happened way back 2011.

[pritch]

Patently Bullshit.

It's been brewing for a very long time, the first real event in the so-called 'Culture War' happened way back 2011.

You really aren't very good at this reading stuff are you. Sugilite was replying to a specific comment made by somebody else. Neither your 'culture war of 2011' nor the current weather are relevant.

[sugilite]

You really aren't very good at this reading stuff are you. Sugilite was replying to a specific comment made by somebody else. Neither your 'culture war of 2011' nor the current weather are relevant.
Annnnd this is why he is the only one on my ignore list. The largest point in my post is that being a real estate and reality tv guy is not equipped to run a large country at the best of times, yet alone the worst, but if course DL does not want to talk about that, just dance around a much more minor point.
If I were to reply to his lame rambling, I might put forward that the actual first event was when wealthy white fucks thought it would be perfectly OK to "Own" another human being, and force that human being who had been ripped by force from everything they know and love to work to make their "master", wealthy.
I would love to see DL dropped into the middle of a meeting of intelligent black community leaders trying their best to navigate their way out of this mess while keeping their people alive. He would fast find his words of "wisdom" turning to ash in his ignorant as fuck privileged white mans mouth.

[TheDemonLord]

You really aren't very good at this reading stuff are you. Sugilite was replying to a specific comment made by somebody else. Neither your 'culture war of 2011' nor the current weather are relevant.

Perhaps you might want to re-read yourself, especially if you are going to mock others comprehension...

Sugilite is making an inference that the problems started with the Election of Trump and therefore have a causal element to him being elected.

I'm pointing out that the issues we see having been going on for a lot longer, with the first notable incident coming in 2011.

[TheDemonLord]

Annnnd this is why he is the only one on my ignore list. The largest point in my post is that being a real estate and reality tv guy is not equipped to run a large country at the best of times, yet alone the worst, but if course DL does not want to talk about that, just dance around a much more minor point.

And which politician exactly is equipped to run the US? You've long espoused your distrust of Politicians (a sentiment I happen to share) - so I'm curious as to your answer here.

But even if I take your point as read - I simply retort: he's just as unqualified as everyone else who has ever done it.

As for the 'Minor Point' - actually, it's the most important point - who was President back in 2011? Which Administration laid the groundwork for this to happen? Which Political Ideology is driving the actual violence and the riots? Is it the same one that holds sway in the Universities, the Majority of the Media, the Governors of the certain states that are currently on fire, the functionaries of that Political party?

What was it you said to me? Free pass for Trump? Well, Free pass for Commies back at you.

Also a bonus point here - Yourself and Pritch have raised a few times the spectre of 'Trump wouldn't accept the result if he lost'

Tell me - Who is it that hasn't accepted the result that he Won? I'll give you a hint: Follow the smell of burning Cities.


If I were to reply to his lame rambling, I might put forward that the actual first event was when wealthy white fucks thought it would be perfectly OK to "Own" another human being, and force that human being who had been ripped by force from everything they know and love to work to make their "master", wealthy.

Now, this comment pissed me off. For a number of reasons.

Let's go through the first - the Historical inaccuracy of that claim - Because Slavery was a near-human universal. Every Language on earth has an equivalent word for Slaves, typically referring to those captured in warfare, forced to do manual/menial labor - so let's not make out that this is solely the product of 'Wealthy White Fucks'. Secondly, Let's talk about the African Slave trade - the common perception (or 'Myth') is that the 'EEEEEEEeeeevil White man came to Africa and stole the people!' - Let's try again with a little bit of Fact - the Europeans worked with the existing and well established inter-tribal warfare and Slavery system in Africa pre-colonisation - In fact, some of the coastal African Tribes profited quite substantially from their part in the Slave trade, to the point that when it was ended, they complained bitterly about it to...

And this leads to the 3rd point: Who was it that Ended the Slave Trade?


It is so odious, that nothing can be suffered to support it, but positive law. Whatever inconveniences, therefore, may follow from the decision, I cannot say this case is allowed or approved by the law of England; and therefore the black must be discharged.

Something Something Old Wealthy White Men Something - but let's put the Snark to one side - that's the pronouncement by one Lord Mansfield (Wealthy White Fuck) that was the catalyst for the freedom that most people have today to not be Slaves.

And let's not also forget that it was the global dominance of the Royal Navy that meant when England declared that Slavery was wrong and Illegal, that Britannia did not just mean in the UK, but Globally, and sent forth the empire's Military Might to stop the practice.

Again - thanks to 'Wealthy White Fucks' - those same racists that declared "The Air of England is too pure for a Slave breath in"...

Except...

In y'know Africa and the Middle East, where Slavery is re-emerging - but again, it's all Wealthy White Fucks fault right? Nothing to do with Millenia old Tribal Practices eh?


I would love to see DL dropped into the middle of a meeting of intelligent black community leaders trying their best to navigate their way out of this mess while keeping their people alive. He would fast find his words of "wisdom" turning to ash in his ignorant as fuck privileged white mans mouth.

Like Thomas Sowell? or Perhaps David Webb?

As for my Words of Wisdom - at this point in time it'd be quite simple: "Stop shitting in your own bed" - I've seen many people on the Right side of the Political spectrum, those who are in Law Enforcement or are usually defenders of people who do a difficult job in difficult circumstances unilaterally call out the killing of George.

There was goodwill there from people, and by Looting and Rioting and committing Criminal acts, it's all been pissed away.

Privilege? Get the Fuck out of here...

Because here is the difference: When the Government pissed on me and took away my rights for a Crime I didn't commit - did I go burn down my Local Community? Did I go looting my Local store? Did I direct any violent acts against the Police or Institutions of Government?

Since when is it a Privilege to live by the same standards you set for other people?

[Viking01]

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-slavery/chronology-who-banned-slavery-when-idUSL1561464920070322

https://www.rt.com/uk/418814-slave-compensation-bristol-taxpayer/

https://www.rt.com/uk/316898-jamaica-slavery-reparations-cameron/

[Bonez]

You really aren't very good at this reading stuff are you. Sugilite was replying to a specific comment made by somebody else. Neither your 'culture war of 2011' nor the current weather are relevant.What a fucken pompus arsehole you are pritch. Pull your head out of your arse and do some THINKING for a change.

[sugilite]

What a fucken pompus arsehole you are pritch. Pull your head out of your arse and do some THINKING for a change.


Good news. The National Guard has been sent to do what the Mayor and local authorities of Minnesota apparently can't do- sort out the thugs trashing the place.

Speaking of which, how is your message in the post quoted above that you made on the 31 st May panning out?

[Bonez]

Speaking of which, how is your message in the post quoted above that you made on the 31 st May panning out?Looking pretty fine.

[pritch]

The situation with regard to Trump ordering the troops into action within the USA is becoming clearer. Currently it's as clear as mud. The Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 forbids the deployment of the US military for law enforcement purposes within the US states. This excludes the various state National Guard units. The governors have the power to use those.

Trump, however, can deploy troops in Washington DC because the District of Columbia is not a state and does not have a governor.

The Insurrection Act of 1807 does give the president the power to deploy the military in a state as a last resort. The governors say though that using the act in the current circumstances would be illegal.

Trump is making a variety of grave statements currently which he may mean seriously or not. Nobody knows. None of which helps in the current situation.

[pritch]

What a fucken pompus arsehole you are pritch. Pull your head out of your arse and do some THINKING for a change.

You should try your own advice, it'll be a new experience. That comment is an example of why you are on ignore. You have nothing to offer worth the time it would take to read it.

Bye

[sugilite]

During 2018, through to mid 2019 I lived in a small to medium rural town in Arkansas, USA.
It was an interesting culture shock for me to see how other people lived.
What I witnessed in terms of racial discrimination in that time was quite the eye opener for me.
A handful of low-lights....
A group of 3 black children (10, 11 years old) while out door knocking to raise money for a school trip having a gun pulled on them by none other than the wife of a high ranking administrator in the local justice department. (she was eventually arrested)
White people queuing in lines for a white checkout assistant while black checkout assistants were available at Walmart.
A tone deaf large sized mural in the local post office depicting black people working a plantation, clearly in slavery times. (That made for an interesting conversation with a black teller one day.)
I saw much more than just that, but those will do for the purpose of this post.
To you sanctimonious keyboard warriors in this forum, try if it is possible for you, to imagine living in that environment as a black person. Living in fear that your children could be shot dead for participating in something as innocent as a school fundraising drive. Or being "randomly" stopped by police and wondering if you will live to see the next day?

To those on this forum that are trying to point the finger at left wing radicals for being the reason these protests are exploding across the US, you are denying these genuinely repressed people the right of even protesting the reality they have to endure each and every day. You are de-legitimizing their cause in a quest to push your own insecurities born of fear and ignorance.
Sure, some left wing radicals will be using the situation as a opputunity to push their own bullshit agendas, as will right wing activists be doing exactly the same. But the lion share of the protesters are standing up for their very real, and justified grievances. Standing up to a political/judicial system that has ignored their needs and run roughshod over their rights for way too many years.

Right wing posters here seem obsessed that left wing commies have infiltrated the USA political system and are busy turning the USA into a communist block. Having spent time in the USA I find this notion absolutely laughable. FFS look up wikipedia for the definition of socialism and Communism. The USA could not be further away from those definitions.
The greatest danger to communism taking control is being ably helped by the POTUS. He only knows how to seed division and hate. His skill set comes from a lifetime of using money and the power it brings to bulldoze over anyone and everything to get simply what he wants - and with this guy, it is and always will be all about exactly what he wants, and the rest of the World can just burn.

What nation that has a deeply divided people has ever been in a stronger position to repeal evil and outright subjugation from a foreign power?
The so called communist country whose name I actually fear mentioning because of the power they weld now, and the absolute power they are looking more likely to wield in the future is standing by to step over the dead corpse of the USA and take what ever the fuck they like - both there and eventually everywhere else in the World. And you right wing turkeys are deeply focused on a few left wing loonies?
What would the reality of the scenario I outlay above be for you keyboard warriors? Well, kiss goodbye that cushy IT job DL, and say hello to trawling through trash piles to feed your family, if they are even still alive.
Think it won't happen? The country who I wish not name has already purchased more than half the World in it's never ending quest for absolute domination of the entire Worlds population and resources.

You right wingers may admire and like the work that Trump is doing.
But at what point does the damage he is doing override the delirious joy you all seem to derive of left wing upinarmsiym. Seems to me you are happy for communism overall to win, as long as those left wing commies that largely just live in your head and under your beds are upset.

Instead of applying a red tinted filter, or a blue tinted filter over any given situation, how about just simply using a clear filter first, and make a decision based on what is simply right for the betterment of humanity.

[Katman]

That comment is an example of why you are on ignore.

You do realise the ignore function only works if you actually ignore the person, don't you?

[pritch]

You do realise the ignore function only works if you actually ignore the person, don't you?

OK genius. You do realise though that if somebody quotes it I get to see it don't you.

Then again if following one of the most thoughtful posts seen here in quite some time that's your best shot? Perhaps not.

[Bonez]

C'mon pritch. You have peak at my posts well before they are quoted and have said so in the past. You can't help yourself. What a complete dick you are.

[TheDemonLord]

During 2018, through to mid 2019 I lived in a small to medium rural town in Arkansas, USA.
It was an interesting culture shock for me to see how other people lived.
What I witnessed in terms of racial discrimination in that time was quite the eye opener for me.
A handful of low-lights....
A group of 3 black children (10, 11 years old) while out door knocking to raise money for a school trip having a gun pulled on them by none other than the wife of a high ranking administrator in the local justice department. (she was eventually arrested)
White people queuing in lines for a white checkout assistant while black checkout assistants were available at Walmart.
A tone deaf large sized mural in the local post office depicting black people working a plantation, clearly in slavery times. (That made for an interesting conversation with a black teller one day.)
I saw much more than just that, but those will do for the purpose of this post.
To you sanctimonious keyboard warriors in this forum, try if it is possible for you, to imagine living in that environment as a black person. Living in fear that your children could be shot dead for participating in something as innocent as a school fundraising drive. Or being "randomly" stopped by police and wondering if you will live to see the next day?

There is an implied assumption that I've never lived in a rough neighbourhood, never been pulled over by the Police for being Profiled (Young Male, in a high crime area, walking about late at night, with a hooded jumper) etc.


To those on this forum that are trying to point the finger at left wing radicals for being the reason these protests are exploding across the US, you are denying these genuinely repressed people the right of even protesting the reality they have to endure each and every day. You are de-legitimizing their cause in a quest to push your own insecurities born of fear and ignorance.

Black Lives Matter - an entirely Radical Left-Wing organisation - So it's not finger pointing, when it's the truth.

There are plenty of people who have legitimate grievances that deserve protest. But Protest is not Rioting.

This is where those organizations that are quite open in their calls for Revolution (and sometimes explicitly Violent revolution) comes in to play - remember when BLM were marching 'POP THEM IN THE HEAD AND THEN FRY THEM LIKE BACON!' - They are the ones who are taking that anger and resentment and turning it into VIOLENCE.

To put it more simply: People complaining about being treated like Criminals whilst comitting criminal acts will garner no sympathy.

You mentioned above that a well-to-do lady pulled a Gun on some Black Children. I'm happy to agree that doing so was wrong. Do you agree that the above riots and actions might be one of the factors why she did so?


Sure, some left wing radicals will be using the situation as a opputunity to push their own bullshit agendas, as will right wing activists be doing exactly the same. But the lion share of the protesters are standing up for their very real, and justified grievances. Standing up to a political/judicial system that has ignored their needs and run roughshod over their rights for way too many years.

Not some, all. Propped up by a Left-Wing media, given free-reign by Left-Wing Governors.


Right wing posters here seem obsessed that left wing commies have infiltrated the USA political system and are busy turning the USA into a communist block. Having spent time in the USA I find this notion absolutely laughable. FFS look up wikipedia for the definition of socialism and Communism. The USA could not be further away from those definitions.

They have. Objectively so.
Then we've got Hollywood, the Media, Social Media, The entire education sector, HR and by extension the Corporate world (which is the most ironic) all have a strong Left-Wing bias.

Now, fortunately they are kept in check by not only the Constitution and the Law, but also the fact most people aren't Communists. Most people like private property rights and don't want a violent revolution.

But here's another thing to consider: You use the words 'White Privilege', You mouth the words of revolutionary Marxists: 'wealthy white fucks' - remember? That's the degree of Infiltration. You say you are scared of China, but you mouth the words of Mao Zedong himself.

You might want to think about that.


The greatest danger to communism taking control is being ably helped by the POTUS. He only knows how to seed division and hate. His skill set comes from a lifetime of using money and the power it brings to bulldoze over anyone and everything to get simply what he wants - and with this guy, it is and always will be all about exactly what he wants, and the rest of the World can just burn.

Rubbish. Trump is the reaction from the mainstream AGAINST the creeping infringement of Political Correctness (which is rooted in Marxist ideology). He's not the cause, he's the net result.

If you don't want Trump, cast out the Communists from the Left.

But they refuse to do so, and so Trump will get another term. Same in the UK. Same with the EU. The current Left keep failing to learn the lesson the Electorate is telling them.



The so called communist country whose name I actually fear mentioning because of the power they weld now, and the absolute power they are looking more likely to wield in the future is standing by to step over the dead corpse of the USA and take what ever the fuck they like - both there and eventually everywhere else in the World. And you right wing turkeys are deeply focused on a few left wing loonies?

Do you remember McCarthy? The Communist 'Witch trials', the House of un-american Activities? Remember the claim that various activist and political organizations were funded by the Soviets - remember when this was widely rubbished at the time until the fall of the Soviet union showed it to be 100% true?

I remember...

It's not a few left-wing Loonies - Remember when I asked you could you point to a prominent media figure/Educational figure/Political figure etc. that was a self-avowed Fascist? you cannot, but I can point to multiple of the same who are self-avowed Communists.


What would the reality of the scenario I outlay above be for you keyboard warriors? Well, kiss goodbye that cushy IT job DL, and say hello to trawling through trash piles to feed your family, if they are even still alive.
Think it won't happen? The country who I wish not name has already purchased more than half the World in it's never ending quest for absolute domination of the entire Worlds population and resources.

Sure - China is playing a well played game, but it's not just Infrastructure they are buying up, it's Institutions - like the WHO - it's providing the resources to activist groups so as to undermine their opponents.

And I want to make this clear:

None.
Of.
Which.
Is.
To.
Do.
With.
Trump.

This issue has been brewing for a long time and it far preceeded his term in Office. He is not the Cause, he is a symptom.


You right wingers may admire and like the work that Trump is doing.
But at what point does the damage he is doing override the delirious joy you all seem to derive of left wing upinarmsiym.

When the Left finally learn the lesson and return to the Centre. Balls in your court, always has been.

But yes - the more they move to the Left, the more they call for Violent Revolution, the More they burn down the Communities that they are claiming to be in support of - The more I'm going to enjoy it when the inevitable opposite reaction occurs.


Seems to me you are happy for communism overall to win, as long as those left wing commies that largely just live in your head and under your beds are upset.

Yeah, no.

I keep saying this - but this is a reaction to the agitation caused by those Left Wing Commies. Not the other way around.


Instead of applying a red tinted filter, or a blue tinted filter over any given situation, how about just simply using a clear filter first, and make a decision based on what is simply right for the betterment of humanity.

I don't block or ignore anyone. I listen and read opinions from both sides.

You've stated you have me on Ignore - so I ask, who has the Filter?

I'll ask again to point to a (singular) prominent Fascist that regularly gets Newspaper columns, TV Air time, favorable media Coverage etc. because I can point to a metric fuck-tonne of the Inverse - so I ask, who has the Filter?

[Katman]

OK genius. You do realise though that if somebody quotes it I get to see it don't you.

Regardless of whether someone quotes the post, you're clearly incapable of ignoring it.

[Katman]

I listen and read opinions from both sides.

No you don't.

[TheDemonLord]

No you don't.

Just because I think on some issues that one side is full of shit doesn't mean that I neither read nor listen to it.

The corollary to that is the reason I think one side is full of shit is precisely BECAUSE I read and listened....

[pritch]

There is a playbook for wannabe dictators and Trump is using it. Nothing about this is normal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/cia-veterans-who-monitored-crackdowns-abroad-see-troubling-parallels-in-trump-handling-of-protests/2020/06/02/7ab210b8-a4f6-11ea-bb20-ebf0921f3bbd_story.html

[Katman]

Nothing about this is normal.

Neither is your fixation.

[pritch]

A little ray of sunshine on a sad day. The most racist and one of the most stupid guys in the US Congress - and that is a high bar - lost his seat today. Steve King lost his Primary in Iowa.

[pritch]

The US Secretary of Defence has announced that he does not support invoking the Insurrection Act. A rare show of courage in Trump’s administration which will likely lead to his rapid replacement.

[Grumph]

The US Secretary of Defence has announced that he does not support invoking the Insurrection Act. A rare show of courage in Trump’s administration which will likely lead to his rapid replacement.

I note the Pentagon has walked back the involvement of the senior military in Trump's photo-op at StJohns church. "they weren't told what was happening - just followed"

I'd pick that Esper has been told quietly by the Joint Chiefs that 1/ There's enough doubt about Trump's ability to legally call in the military that they don't want to do it. Congress would certainly not approve it for a start.
And 2/ i suspect that they'd have a hard job finding troops who would act against the US public. The National Guard is another thing entirely. Part=time officers and a gung-ho attitude. They're dangerous.

[TheDemonLord]

The National Guard is another thing entirely. Part=time officers and a gung-ho attitude. They're dangerous.

Yeah....


Imma just leave this here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv-GBQV8zY4

[Bonez]

Yeah....


Imma just leave this here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xv-GBQV8zY4Nice and worth repeating:laugh:

[pritch]

I note the Pentagon has walked back the involvement of the senior military in Trump's photo-op at StJohns church. "they weren't told what was happening - just followed"

I'd pick that Esper has been told quietly by the Joint Chiefs that 1/ There's enough doubt about Trump's ability to legally call in the military that they don't want to do it. Congress would certainly not approve it for a start.
And 2/ i suspect that they'd have a hard job finding troops who would act against the US public. The National Guard is another thing entirely. Part=time officers and a gung-ho attitude. They're dangerous.

The guy at Trump's photo bible bash was the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Trump stated vaguely that the general had been put in charge, he'd won many battles, never lost one...

People who know about such things have commented that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs commands precisely nobody. That makes sense, he's not in command of any unit, there is another general in command of the army. He's probably more of a lawyer than a soldier.

There are some strange goings on. The sinister looking troops at the Lincoln Memorial wearing masks and no identifying marks were apparently Air Force. That takes them instantly from sinister to silly.

There were some serious looking dudes who, when asked who they were, would just reply Justice Dept. These guys have been identified as from the Bureau of Prisons Riot Squad. They could definitely be hazardous to your health.

[Katman]

People who know about such things have commented that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs commands precisely nobody. That makes sense, he's not in command of any unit, there is another general in command of the army. He's probably more of a lawyer than a soldier.

Have you even bothered to look into the past appointments of General Mark Milley?

He's probably more of a soldier than you ever were.

[Viking01]

So when does the "colour revolution" start ?

And will it be an "Orange" revolution, given that Ukraine used that colour back in 2004 ?

[pritch]

Have you even bothered to look into the past appointments of General Mark Milley?

He's probably more of a soldier than you ever were.

I have now and will concede that point. It remains however that he does not have a command. Colin Powell, when he held that position, commented that he couldn't even command his secretary.

He was also criticised for appearing in Trump's photo op in fatigues but I didn't grasp the significance of that at the time. I do now.

[Katman]

I have now and will concede that point.

Perhaps you should have looked into it before flapping your gums - again.

[pritch]

What I like best about these ads is that they are produced by Republicans. People from Trump's own party.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5FvBtu3gB4

[Viking01]

https://sputniknews.com/us/202006031079511249-us-speaker-of-the-house-nancy-pelosi-joins-protests-over-george-floyds-death/

I see Nancy Pelosi decided to visit a protest.

But the big question has to be: Was She Handing Out Cookies ?

[pritch]

When General Mattis left the White House he said he would speak out when the time was right. People were starting to wonder what it would take to get him to break his silence.

Apparently that time is right now.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2020/06/03/jim-mattis-blasts-trump-message-that-defends-protesters-says-president-tries-divide-us/

[sugilite]

I'm totally (not) shocked, hydroxychloroquine found to be totally useless as a treatment for covid 19 in scientific study of 800 subjects. Looks like Trump wasted his time (pretty sure he never took it anyways). Will Fox fuckwits come forward now to say they jumped the gun? Not a chance :laugh:
https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6161585569001

[husaberg]

I'm totally (not) shocked, hydroxychloroquine found to be totally useless as a treatment for covid 19 in scientific study of 800 subjects. Looks like Trump wasted his time (pretty sure he never took it anyways). Will Fox fuckwits come forward now to say they jumped the gun? Not a chance :laugh:
https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6161585569001

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/18/politics/donald-trump-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus/index.html
Trump said he was. but what good is his word anyway....
pretty sure that old yokel was also touting it as a definite cure as well i can imagine either ever admitting it was utter crap.
I wonder why Trump was worried when he said he was supposed to be the fittest ever president.
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[sugilite]

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/05/18/politics/donald-trump-hydroxychloroquine-coronavirus/index.html
Trump said he was.


Yeah, I know he said he was using it, but you know, it is Trump - so most of what he says is a lie. Only his most ardent orange starfish worshipers give his words any credence - like Dl and Austin. :laugh:

[husaberg]

Yeah, I know he said he was using it, but you know, it is Trump - so most of what he says is a lie. Only his most ardent orange starfish worshipers give his words any credence - like Dl and Austin. :laugh:

I added a bit on further refection

[R650R]

After these riots the gun grabbers Democrats are toast. As the rioters/antifa terrorists started moving to the suburbs they stopped in their tracks at the site of armed home and business owners.
I think even a diehard democrat will be glad of their gun owning republican neighbours.
Trump has made all the right decisions in this crisis and keit America together despite all the mainstream media being infested with ideological lefties.
That press secretary Kaley McAneny is like a female Winston Peters tearing snowflake reporters to bits, she could be Madam President one day

[sugilite]

After these riots the gun grabbers Democrats are toast. As the rioters/antifa terrorists started moving to the suburbs they stopped in their tracks at the site of armed home and business owners.
I think even a diehard democrat will be glad of their gun owning republican neighbours.
Trump has made all the right decisions in this crisis and keit America together despite all the mainstream media being infested with ideological lefties.
That press secretary Kaley McAneny is like a female Winston Peters tearing snowflake reporters to bits, she could be Madam President one day

The photo op where he cleared peaceful protesters for a fake bible session was the perfect walk. The condemnation from normally silent religious leaders (loony televangelist aside) was yet another Trump "Win".
His handling of this crisis is right up there with "wishing" the virus away.
Have a few boxes of tissues at the ready come USA Election time sport :pinch:

[Kickaha]

That press secretary Kaley McAneny is like a female Winston Peters tearing snowflake reporters to bits, she could be Madam President one day

She comes across extremely well prepared and also has no problem lying directly to the press

[pritch]

After these riots the gun grabbers Democrats are toast. As the rioters/antifa terrorists started moving to the suburbs they stopped in their tracks at the site of armed home and business owners.


That whole post is completely absurd in its entirety. Nothing remotely like what you describe took place.

People who have been arrested and appeared in court since the protests began have been stated to have belonged to various groups. Today it was reported that precisely zero have belonged to Antifa.

Trump and Barr are trying to blame Antifa, it's the new "caravan". Fuel to fire up the shrinking base.

If you think about it, hard for some here I know, why would Antifa be there at all? Most people, if needing a label, would describe the current protests as left wing. Antifa are opposed to fascists not the left wing, they'd be more likely to arrive at a Tommy Robinson or Milo Yiannopolis event. Or some other event where Trump described participants as "very fine people."

In the sense that Trump and Barr use the term Antifa it does not even exist. Unless there has been a very recent development there is no organisation to join, no sub to pay. There is no leader.

Antifa are people who don't like fascists. If you don't like Antifa, you are the problem.

[Bonez]

ere has been a very recent developmen,t there is no organisation to join, no sub to pay. There is no leader.

Antifa are people who don't like fascists. If you don't like Antifa, you are the problem.Full of shit again. They'll bash anyone and everyone given the opportunity.. And they history of doing exactly that. Even their own members lol. If thet were anti facist they wouldn't use fascist tatics to try and get their massage across,

Betcha a rotten carp you have a peak at this post lo.

[RDJ]

I'm totally (not) shocked, hydroxychloroquine found to be totally useless as a treatment for covid 19 in scientific study of 800 subjects. Looks like Trump wasted his time (pretty sure he never took it anyways). Will Fox fuckwits come forward now to say they jumped the gun? Not a chance :laugh:
https://play.stuff.co.nz/details/_6161585569001

Prematurity, Bro, it's a thing: "In an important moment for science and data transparency, @thelancet announces that its 96,000 observational study on hydroxychloroquine has been RETRACTED."

[sugilite]

Prematurity, Bro, it's a thing: "In an important moment for science and data transparency, @thelancet announces that its 96,000 observational study on hydroxychloroquine has been RETRACTED."
The article discussing the one I linked too has not been retracted.

[RDJ]

The article discussing the one I linked too has not been retracted.

The one you linked to had more than an order of magnitude fewer people, and even fewer in the most-at-risk age-groups.

[sugilite]

The one you linked to had more than an order of magnitude fewer people, and even fewer in the most-at-risk age-groups.

Oh, so that nullifies it? What order of magnitude do you need for it to pass your muster?

[Kickaha]

I think even a diehard democrat will be glad of their gun owning republican neighbours.

Are you really stupid enough to think Democrats don't own guns ?

I wonder how many other times the right wing has used this tactic in the last week
https://www.ibtimes.sg/3-ex-servicemen-part-right-wing-boogaloo-arrested-inciting-riots-george-floyd-protests-46266

[pritch]

Looking on the bright side, Trump finally got his wall. There is now a wall around the White House.

Some research may be needed, but I can't recall another president that needed a wall to hide behind.

What is really scary is that there are people so stupid that they still can't see what is actually happening right in front of their eyes.

[Katman]

Looking on the bright side, Trump finally got his wall. There is now a wall around the White House.

Some research may be needed, but I can't recall another president that needed a wall to hide behind.

What is really scary is that there are people so stupid that they still can't see what is actually happening right in front of their eyes.

How are you getting on with that link about the police wrecking their own vehicle and preparing a fire in an auto parts store?

[FJRider]

... Nothing remotely like what you describe took place.

... That YOU are aware of ... ;)


People who have been arrested and appeared in court since the protests began have been stated to have belonged to various groups. Today it was reported that precisely zero have belonged to Antifa.

Leaderless resistance has been employed by a wide range of movements, including animal-liberation, radical environmentalist, anti-abortion, military invasion resistance, colonialism resistance, terrorist, and hate groups. Having no leader (known, or otherwise) or party member list ... does not mean they don't (or can't) exist ... ;)


Trump and Barr are trying to blame Antifa, it's the new "caravan". Fuel to fire up the shrinking base.

Will Trump not get re-elected ... ??? Is his support base shrinking ... ??? ;)


If you think about it, hard for some here I know, why would Antifa be there at all? Most people, if needing a label, would describe the current protests as left wing. Antifa are opposed to fascists not the left wing, they'd be more likely to arrive at a Tommy Robinson or Milo Yiannopolis event. Or some other event where Trump described participants as "very fine people."

Perhaps they just want results ... not personal fame and recognition (acknowledgement/attention .. ??). Staying "Under the Radar" helps in many situations ... the Viet-Cong of the western world maybe ... :lol:


In the sense that Trump and Barr use the term Antifa it does not even exist. Unless there has been a very recent development there is no organisation to join, no sub to pay. There is no leader.

"That YOU are aware of" ... ;)


are people who don't like fascists. If you don't like Antifa, you are the problem.

Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, as well as strong regimentation of society and of the economy.

It's starting to sound like the "Trump Government" style ... are THEY the problem ... ??? :pinch:

[pritch]

... That YOU are aware of ... ;)


There has been nothing such reported. There was an instance of Facebook fuelled mass hysteria similar to that, details of which I've already posted. The Antifa threat though was in their tiny disordered minds.

When nothing eventuated they decided they'd scared "them" away. Never mind that no such threat ever existed.

If that seems too mental to be true, it isn't, we've got that sort here.

[TheDemonLord]

There has been nothing such reported.

By Whom?

The Washington Post? The Guardian? The New York Times? The BBC?

Funny that pro-left wing media wouldn't report on violence being done by their Activist brethren...

[pritch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTu2RyB6YdA

[husaberg]

How are you getting on with that link about the police wrecking their own vehicle and preparing a fire in an auto parts store?

Were they using a geet powered engine?
Or was it all part of a international conspiracy?

[sugilite]

No, tell me it's not true, I never saw that coming said no person with common sense ever.... :rolleyes:

People are sawing through and climbing over Trump’s border wall. Now contractors are being asked for ideas to make it less vulnerable.
By
Nick Miroff
June 5, 2020 at 8:23 a.m. GMT+12

U.S. Customs and Border Protection has asked contractors for help making President Trump’s border wall more difficult to climb over and cut through, an acknowledgment that the design currently being installed across hundreds of miles of the U.S.-Mexico boundary remains vulnerable.

The new request for information notice that CBP posted gives federal contractors until June 12 to suggest new anti-breaching and anti-climbing technology and tools, while also inviting proposals for “private party construction” that would allow investors and activists to acquire land, build a barrier on it and sell the whole thing to the government.

Trump continues to campaign for reelection on a promise to complete nearly 500 miles of new barrier along the border with Mexico by the end of 2020, but administration officials have scaled back that goal in recent weeks. The president has ceased promoting the $15 billion barrier as “impenetrable” in the months since The Washington Post reported smuggling crews have been sawing through new sections of the structure using inexpensive power tools.

[Katman]

By Whom?

The Washington Post?

It appears to be his new Mills & Boon.

[FJRider]

There has been nothing such reported. There was an instance of Facebook fuelled mass hysteria similar to that, details of which I've already posted. The Antifa threat though was in their tiny disordered minds.


People who have been arrested and appeared in court since the protests began have been stated to have belonged to various groups. Today it was reported that precisely zero have belonged to Antifa.

If you belonged to such a group as Antifa ... would you admit to be belonging to such a group .. ???

Sometimes it just doesn't pay to advertise. People tend to look closer.


When nothing eventuated they decided they'd scared "them" away. Never mind that no such threat ever existed.

Groups that could pose a threat ... like people in power to think that way ... :yes:

I'm ex military ... I've heard the term "Not a threat" before ... and it was later found to be an incorrect assessment ... :lol:


If that seems too mental to be true, it isn't, we've got that sort here.

Ever heard the term ... Truth is stranger than fiction ... ?? It's NOT new ... :lol:

YOU can believe what you like ... if you see no risk to yourself by doing so.

[pritch]

How are you getting on with that link about the police wrecking their own vehicle and preparing a fire in an auto parts store?

No idea what you're talking about. I don't read much of your stuff these days, it's just not worth the time.

[Bonez]

No idea what you're talking about. I don't read much of your stuff these days, it's just not worth the time.Yet you resonded to that one lol.:bash:

[Katman]

No idea what you're talking about. I don't read much of your stuff these days, it's just not worth the time.

Do you not recall making this statement?


The Police were also filmed damaging property, including wrecking a police car, and apparently preparing a fire in an auto parts store.

I'm just curious to see where you got that information from.

[pritch]

The Lincoln Project people are all Republicans, a couple of them I'm familiar with because I see and hear them on social media and podcasts frequently.

What I find most interesting is that one of the key figures, George Conway, is the husband of Trump senior advisor Kellyanne Conway. They must have some interesting conversations over dinner. If they are still talking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYa8mEr3sJA

[pritch]

If you belonged to such a group as Antifa ... would you admit to be belonging to such a group .. ???


There is nothing to belong to, there is no permanent organisation. Those who are anti Antifa are fascists, so I guess I'd admit to being sympathetic to their cause.

The Police did not seem to have any trouble identifying the white supremacists or the Boogaloo Boys. Of course they are probably all sporting tatts identifying themselves as such.

[Katman]

The Police did not seem to have any trouble identifying the white supremacists or the Boogaloo Boys. Of course they are probably all sporting tatts identifying themselves as such.

So have you found the link that shows the police trashing their own vehicle and attempting to set fire to an auto parts store?

Or were you just making it all up?

[Bonez]

So have you found the link that shows the police trashing their own vehicle and attempting to set fire to an auto parts store?

Or were you just making it all up?C'mon pritch is an up standing and wouldn't do something like that would he?:rolleyes:

[Bonez]

There is nothing to belong to, there is no permanent organisation. Those who are anti Antifa are fascists, so I guess I'd admit to being sympathetic to their cause..You obviously missed the video one of the msm did of them. Contacting each other via social media. phones and other devices you fucken idiot.:violin:

Not to mention the little encampments they have in cities like Portland.

[FJRider]

Those who are anti Antifa are fascists, so I guess I'd admit to being sympathetic to their cause.

I've been called worse.



The Police did not seem to have any trouble identifying the white supremacists or the Boogaloo Boys. Of course they are probably all sporting tatts identifying themselves as such.

There can be some advantages to having the face recognition software on their surveillance cameras ... ;)

[Bonez]

I've been called worse. White male, ex military? If so SNAP!:laugh:

[FJRider]

White male, ex military? If so SNAP!:laugh:

My personal motto ... all is possible if you have the caliber for the task at hand ... :cool:

[Viking01]

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/overnights/501040-on-the-money-gop-turning-against-new-round-of-1200-rebate-checks

https://consortiumnews.com/2020/06/05/covid-19-analysis-finds-nearly-1-3-of-owed-jobless-benefits-not-yet-paid/

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/fed-just-unleashed-trillion-new-debt-companies-took-money-and-spent-it-dividends-while

[Bonez]

My personal motto ... all is possible if you have the caliber for the task at hand ... :cool:If it wasn't for the military there Bucket Racing wouldn't exist...;)

[pritch]

I've been called worse.

I'm not calling you anything. Antifa (such as they are) are antifascist. Anybody who is anti Antifa defines themselves.

[pritch]

White male, ex military? If so SNAP!:laugh:

That reads like something from Grindr - and no, I've never been there.

The difference between an airforce and an aero club is the weaponry. The RNZAF have zero strike capability and therefore have more in common with an aero club than an Air Force.

Military? Only barely.

[Katman]

That reads like something from Grindr - and no, I've never been there.

How are you getting on with that link?

You wouldn't be trying to spread fake news, would you?

[Bonez]

How are you getting on with that link?

You wouldn't be trying to spread fake news, would you?He's ignoring you without putting you on ignore:innocent:.

[Bonez]

I'm not calling you anything. Antifa (such as they are) are antifascist. Anybody who is anti Antifa defines themselves.

As what prey tell?

[FJRider]

... The difference between an airforce and an aero club is the weaponry. The RNZAF have zero strike capability and therefore have more in common with an aero club than an Air Force.



It is a little known fact ... that BOTH the Orion AND the Hercules are Nuclear capable.

They CAN deliver ... ;)

And if my ass is in the shit ... a Texan with machine guns will still be welcome.

ANYBODY (on MY side) with a machine gun in fact ...

[FJRider]

If it wasn't for the military there Bucket Racing wouldn't exist...;)

My experience with bucket racing ... exploding pistons were of more risk of harm to me ... than any enemy of state.

But bloody good fun.

[TheDemonLord]

I'm not calling you anything. Antifa (such as they are) are antifascist. Anybody who is anti Antifa defines themselves.

What if Antifa aren't just the self-proclaimed 'Against Fascists'?

What if they are in fact a radical, revolutionary Communist/Anarchist group that is bent on the destruction of the Capitalist, Patriarchal West?

In which case to be opposed to Antifa is not to be in support of Fascists, but rather to be in opposition to anyone who is a Violent revolutionary.

[pritch]

What if Antifa aren't just the self-proclaimed 'Against Fascists'?

What if they are in fact a radical, revolutionary Communist/Anarchist group that is bent on the destruction of the Capitalist, Patriarchal West?

In which case to be opposed to Antifa is not to be in support of Fascists, but rather to be in opposition to anyone who is a Violent revolutionary.

The word ‘if’ is doing some heavy lifting there.

I’m reminded of when the Macedonians told the Spartans that unless the Spartans surrendered they would invade, rape their wives, enslave their children and destroy their civilisation.

The Spartans replied, “If.”

[pritch]

He's ignoring you without putting you on ignore:innocent:.

Wrong. :whistle:

[Katman]

Wrong. :whistle:

Just a link to back up your claim that police were filmed wrecking their own vehicle and attempting to set fire to an auto parts store is all that's needed.

For someone who regularly accuses others of spreading fake news, you seem awfully reluctant to offer anything that supports your claim.

[husaberg]

For someone who regularly accuses others of spreading fake news, you seem awfully reluctant to offer anything that supports your claim.
Steve you do often spread fake news, its not an accusation, its a fundamental truth, supported by evidence.

Like the time you claimed farmers send 100kg plus rodeo calves to the works when the works don't accept cattle this size.
Or that time you claimed there was numerous alternatives to 1080 on the vast inaccessible areas of NZ ,yet you couldn't name a single one.
Or that time you claimed some animals were poisoned on their own property by 1080, when by the owners own admission, they had wandered into a DOC area.
Or that time you posted a engine (the Geet)that was a well known fraud, that was supposed to run on coffee or water and you refused to admit it was a made up piece of shit. You even called him a modern day telsa when in truth, he said he got the technology from an angel named Mrs Cunningham. He invented nothing other than a new way to scam money of idiots.
Or that time you claimed there were no gas chambers at in German concentration camps, when even the two convicted fraudsters you quoted as being proof, admitted it was obvious there were gas chambers.
Or that time you kept claiming ad nausea, the WTC buildings fell at free-fall speed, when the clearly did not
Or that time you claimed they collapsed into their own footprints when they clearly did not.
Or that time when you quoted state trooper Lyle Szupink as saying something, he clearly did not, about United Airlines Flight 93.
Or that time you claimed over and over that an engine was found to be a distance away from the crash site when it was in fact, found less than a third of that distance.
Or that time you kept claiming passports, were never found intact after a high speed impact like 911, when in fact they commonly are.
Or that time you claimed the UFA investigation was independent , full or transparent, when it was clearly none of these three.
Or that times you repeatedly make and pass on false claims about vaccine and vaccine safety often implying, you know more than genuine medical experts, when you have no medial training at all.
Or that time you claimed it was uncommon for bikes to have footpegs mounted to the swingarm when tens if not 100's of millions of bikes were made in over 120 models with this exact set up.

So do go on about the moral highground you claim to inhabit when a guy ignoring you, doesn't reply to you about a post ,that wasn't directed at you.
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[Bonez]

Wrong. :whistle:This thread is wierder than a Monty Python episode..:clap:

[Bonez]

My experience with bucket racing ... exploding pistons were of more risk of harm to me ... than any enemy of state.

But bloody good fun.I was at Ohakea when the whole thing started. The Ohakea Engineering Club with Morty running it did a roaring trade. Not long after that Collen Wheeler got out of the mob and opened up his own engineering shop called Two Wheels Engineering here in Palmy. Over the years I've have a few bits n bobs done for my m/cs. Very talented in many ways. He still does off road with his son when I spoke with him in February. Usually there is someones bike in there to get repairs or mods done.

[Viking01]

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/06/blackrock-authored-the-bailout-plan-before-there-was-a-crisis-now-its-been-hired-by-three-central-banks-to-implement-the-plan/

[pritch]

Just a link to back up your claim that police were filmed wrecking their own vehicle and attempting to set fire to an auto parts store is all that's needed.

.

I'll keep this simple. Firstly, I owe you nothing.

I don't post crap here, mostly I believe it to be factual at the time or I wouldn't bother.

I have seen a clip of multiple cops wrecking a police car, it must be available but I'm not looking for it, I've already seen it. What I'm interested in is what's happening now.

It's not unusual for American cops to damage property, I've seen that previously. If there's a peaceful protest the charges they can use against protestors are only minor. If there is property damage they can claim it's a riot and the sentences go up accordingly. So the cops smash windows and blame the protestors.

I saw the clip of a guy with an umbrella breaking the windows of the auto parts business with a hammer. It was reported that he'd been identified as a cop by his wife. That part I obviously can't verify.

One thing you may not be aware of, the various social media platforms don't use the same software. To reproduce a clip from Twitter and put it here or on Facebook requires that it be posted to a site that changes the formatting. Sometimes that just doesn't work, so it's just too much trouble unless it's important. A Katman demand is nowhere near important enough.

[Bonez]

I'll keep this simple. Firstly, I owe you nothing.

I don't post crap here, mostly I believe it to be factual at the time or I wouldn'are of, the various social media platforms don't use the same software. To reproduce a clip from Twitter and put it here or on Facebook requires that it be posted to a site that changes the formatting. Sometimes that just doesn't work, so it's just too much trouble unless it's important. A Katman demand is nowhere near important enough.Icorrectimundo mopst of the stuff you post in this thread is incorrect.:baby:

[TheDemonLord]

The word ‘if’ is doing some heavy lifting there.

Sure - except they aren't exactly coy about this fact. In fact, they are quite brazenly proud of their Communist and Anarchist beliefs.


I’m reminded of when the Macedonians told the Spartans that unless the Spartans surrendered they would invade, rape their wives, enslave their children and destroy their civilisation.

The Spartans replied, “If.”

You've butchered the quote:

"If we breach your lands, we will rape your wives, enslave your children and destroy your civilisation."

To which the reply was 'If'

[Katman]

A Katman demand is nowhere near important enough.

Fair enough.

Fake news it is then.

[Katman]

You've butchered the quote:

Surely you expected no less.

The quote as told by pritch doesn't even make grammatical sense.

And he's clearly too stupid to even notice.

[Bonez]

Sure - except they aren't exactly coy about this fact. In fact, they are quite brazenly proud of their Communist and Anarchist beliefs.



You've butchered the quote:

"If we breach your lands, we will rape your wives, enslave your children and destroy your civilisation."

To which the reply was 'If'I wouldn't be surprised if pritch has a hard copy of the ANTIFA manifesto.:killingme

[sugilite]

Trump supporters dying to go to the next rally!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300033826/trump-campaign-asks-rallygoers-to-waive-coronavirus-liability

[pritch]

Trump supporters dying to go to the next rally!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300033826/trump-campaign-asks-rallygoers-to-waive-coronavirus-liability

Signing away their rights to sue for getting Covid 19 won't put them off.
It's a hoax, Trump told them. They'll likely be out in force again. Never mind that most of them are in the high risk category.

Meanwhile we wait to see what affect the protests had on the rate of infections.

[pritch]

The fine detail doesn't matter so much, but the USA is being run by a dementia patient. A dementia patient who thinks he's a king.

[husaberg]

The fine detail doesn't matter so much, but the USA is being run by a dementia patient. A dementia patient who thinks he's a king.

or hes just a fat boofhead.

[Naki Rat]

Trump supporters dying to go to the next rally!
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/300033826/trump-campaign-asks-rallygoers-to-waive-coronavirus-liabilityThe rally waiver is proof that Trump doesn't give a toss about his supporters and cares about little else than potentially being financially harmed by their health risk.

[Viking01]

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/06/the-fed-just-pulled-off-another-backdoor-bailout-of-wall-street/

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/06/wall-street-banks-tank-one-day-after-fed-chair-says-theyre-a-source-of-strength/

https://wallstreetonparade.com/2020/06/dirty-details-emerge-as-to-why-mnuchin-is-fighting-congress-over-releasing-the-names-of-recipients-of-ppp-loans/

[pritch]

During a speech the dingbat in chief has announced a vaccine for AIDS. That’ll come as news to a lot of people. It is of course bollocks, as usual he has no idea what he’s mumbling about.

The only people sillier than Trump are those who would take medical advice from him. If there’s any of those left after they injected themselves with bleach and/or shoved a lamp up their arse.

[Laava]

or hes just a fat boofhead.
Or as our hot american waitress admitted the other day, "a monkey in a clown suit"

[husaberg]

Or as our hot american waitress admitted the other day, "a monkey in a clown suit"

An orangeatan.

https://thekennedyspot.files.wordpress.com/2016/10/img_8490-1.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuI4Vm_UkAElBa4.jpg

[Bonez]

I see Mattis is being ignored by the masses, 6 blocks of Seattle taken over by Antifa and their cohorts so this years 4th of July will be interesting to say the least And the 3 Bozos still having gotten over the fact that Trump and Co. won the 2016 US Presidential Elections lol.:tugger::violin:

[pete376403]

I see Mattis is being ignored by the masses, 6 blocks of Seattle taken over by Antifa and their cohorts so this years 4th of July will be interesting to say the least And the 3 Bozos still having gotten over the fact that Trump and Co. won the 2016 US Presidential Elections lol.:tugger::violin:

Got help from the Russians last time, trying to get help from the Chinese with the next one https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/17/john-bolton-book-trump-china-dictators-saudi-arabia

[Viking01]

And John Bolton wouldn't lie. Mike Pompeo said so.

OK, John Boy might still be a little upset about having being dismissed by Trump (as National Security Advisor) in 2019, because of his seeming liking for wars:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/17/john-bolton-iran-north-korea-venezuela-trump

But I'm sure that neither of them would hold a grudge.

[Bonez]

Got help from the Russians last time, Not according to Bumbling Bob.:woohoo:

[pete376403]

And John Bolton wouldn't lie. Mike Pompeo said so.

OK, John Boy might still be a little upset about having being dismissed by Trump (as National Security Advisor) in 2019, because of his seeming liking for wars:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/17/john-bolton-iran-north-korea-venezuela-trump

But I'm sure that neither of them would hold a grudge.

Maybe, but it seems odd the WH is trying to block the book on the grounds that it contains classified information. Are lies classified now?

[Grumph]

Maybe, but it seems odd the WH is trying to block the book on the grounds that it contains classified information. Are lies classified now?

According to Trump, they are if they're his....I see he wants all conversations with him to carry the classified designation.

As you'd expect from someone who routinely requires staff to sign non-disclosure agreements.

And the book has been cleared for publication by the relevant security authorities - and it took them long enough too.

[Bonez]

And the book has been cleared for publication by the relevant security authorities - and it took them long enough too.Pretty standard practice, so not at all unusual.:yes:

[sugilite]

Trump ramping up for his re-election, or is that ramping down. :shifty:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The ramp that I descended after my West Point Commencement speech was very long &amp; steep, had no handrail and, most importantly, was very slippery. The last thing I was going to do is “fall” for the Fake News to have fun with. Final ten feet I ran down to level ground. Momentum!</p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1272000237809414149?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

OK, lets see that last 10 feet shall we?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tszIXno2Q8

Watch out Usain Bolt!

And the bizarre needing the left hand to support the drinking glass episode, for Gods sake, get the man a sippy cup :blink:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NObgJ4RRZ2g


The fucktard had no idea the UK had nukes - What do you expect from a reality TV host/Real estate guy :laugh:

And now his Niece, a clinical psychologist is releasing a book about Trump, and she has the first hand knowledge and qualifications to back it all up. :corn:
With Boltons book also coming out, makes the Trump apologist bozos look all the more lame :lol:

[Laava]

Lols, he looks every bit of his advanced age and yet still acts like a temperamental toddler. Terrible twos springs to mind.

[jasonu]

Trump ramping up for his re-election, or is that ramping down. :shifty:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The ramp that I descended after my West Point Commencement speech was very long &amp; steep, had no handrail and, most importantly, was very slippery. The last thing I was going to do is “fall” for the Fake News to have fun with. Final ten feet I ran down to level ground. Momentum!</p>&mdash; Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) <a href="https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1272000237809414149?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 14, 2020</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

OK, lets see that last 10 feet shall we?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2tszIXno2Q8

:

Remember this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnbDZXoA78k

[Bonez]

Looks ljkt Dr Sellulite is at it again as well. Good to see the old gang still have spots:nya:

[sugilite]

No, did she make any grandiose claims after that incident like, "I struggled to get into the van, but after that I gave the secret service guys the rides of their lives on the drive home!"

[jasonu]

No, did she make any grandiose claims after that incident like, "I struggled to get into the van, but after that I gave the secret service guys the rides of their lives on the drive home!"

That’s not true. I remember her trying to say she slipped.

[husaberg]

NEW YORK – Hillary Clinton abruptly left a 9-11 anniversary ceremony Sunday after feeling “overheated,” according to her campaign, and hours later her doctor disclosed that the Democratic presidential nominee had pneumonia

i just conducted a specific search for that date and statemenst from her made on that day to the media about a slip and can find no such claim that suggests she said she slipped.

[pritch]

Trump remembered crowds of Arabs in New Jersey celebrating the fall of the WTC too.

There'll be something about these hallucinations in a medical book somewhere. Of course, whole text books will be written about Trump's multiple psychoses.

[pzkpfw]

I doubt he hallucinated; he just has a habit of saying any dumb thing that comes to mind that he thinks might be the right thing to say at that moment.

It's part of why he lies so much. Just says what sounds good now, the consequence is for another day. (When he lies again.)

[jasonu]

NEW YORK – Hillary Clinton abruptly left a 9-11 anniversary ceremony Sunday after feeling “overheated,” according to her campaign, and hours later her doctor disclosed that the Democratic presidential nominee had pneumonia

i just conducted a specific search for that date and statemenst from her made on that day to the media about a slip and can find no such claim that suggests she said she slipped.

I watched it live. I remember it like it was yesterday. A few minutes after it happened one of her minions, in a live interview, said she slipped. So you can stick your specific search up your arse.

[pete376403]

You wrote "I remember her trying to say she slipped." Then you wrote "I watched it live. I remember it like it was yesterday. A few minutes after it happened one of her minions, in a live interview, said she slipped".

She said / one of her minions said. Is this an example of alternative facts?

[Bonez]

You wrote "I remember her trying to say she slipped." Then you wrote "I watched it live. I remember it like it was yesterday. A few minutes after it happened one of her minions, in a live interview, said she slipped".

She said / one of her minions said. Is this an example of alternative facts?So she said hse slipped AND one of her mimions. You know like two and two...Guess you didn't do math at kindergarten.

[jasonu]

You wrote "I remember her trying to say she slipped." Then you wrote "I watched it live. I remember it like it was yesterday. A few minutes after it happened one of her minions, in a live interview, said she slipped".

She said / one of her minions said. Is this an example of alternative facts?

All of the above except for the alternative facts part.

[Katman]

Trump remembered crowds of Arabs in New Jersey celebrating the fall of the WTC too....

When we all know they were actually Israelis.

[Bonez]

When we all know they were actually Israelis.Mah Arabs/Israelis. They're all Semites an live in the same bit of sand.:msn-wink: