The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[Voltaire]

A picture is worth...

a fucking sight more than anything you'll get out of Mushface.

I got these as his alternative world

http://www.whaleoil.co.nz/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/fcd21d181357a4749b80382961e3d398.jpg

recent picture taken in Wellington I think

http://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/sleuthjournal/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/11170204/great-depression-2.jpg

[Oscar]

I got these as his alternative world



recent picture taken in Wellington I think



I was more thinking -

https://geopolicraticus.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/workers-paradise.jpg

https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/AAEAAQAAAAAAAAKFAAAAJDlkNTA0Mjk4LTAyNmUtNDVmMC05ZW NiLTg2ZTQ0ZGY1YmQyZg.jpg

[Voltaire]

Didn't really work out too well did it...

http://img.over-blog.com/698x915/0/51/99/49/Fin-septembre-2014/Ukraine---famine---Holodomor-1932-1933.jpg

[Katman]

Didn't really work out too well did it...

There's that 6 million figure - yet again.

[Brian d marge]

There's that 6 million figure - yet again.
They been using that since the 1800 , I think there is a list on the hinternet ..


sent for a divine source

[Katman]

They been using that since the 1800 , I think there is a list on the hinternet ..

It keeps popping up like an indestructible passport.

[Oscar]

Didn't really work out too well did it...



Like the Soviets, Mashbrain's ideas work better as propaganda....

[mashman]

:rofl:@reds under the bed. Noone tell them we're out of coffee.

[mashman]

Like the Soviets, Mashbrain's ideas work better as propaganda....

Pointy stick a little blunt old man? :rofl:

[Oscar]

Pointy stick a little blunt old man? :rofl:

As far as I'm aware, you're older than I am.
Also I may be blunt, but I am certainly not little.

[mashman]

As far as I'm aware, you're older than I am.
Also I may be blunt, but I am certainly not little.

Quite possibly... but I wasn't referring to age.
You always will be in my eyes.

[Oscar]

Quite possibly... but I wasn't referring to age.
You always will be in my eyes.

I imagine you thus:

http://incogman.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/HAPPY-COMMIE-DAY.jpg

[Oscar]

Nah, just kidding...it's more like this:

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTbtimAVsf6-V8HWHeOAOrVHJE_KsOoNCMS93P4fSOBzpLAS0DLYA

[Brian d marge]

It keeps popping up like an indestructible passport.
My next house will bi lined with them passports, made in Turkey I believe
Would make the house virtually indestructible.

sent for a divine source

[Brian d marge]

As far as I'm aware, you're older than I am.
Also I may be blunt, but I am certainly not little.
Maybe you should get out more

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

I imagine you thus:

http://incogman.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/HAPPY-COMMIE-DAY.jpg

Yeah, that's kinda close some days... but you're looking at it from the wrong angle. Picture it from behind.

[husaberg]

Zionism isn't a race.

So when oldie post about how utterly evil Israel is. Then espouses the virtues of Hitler and Mien Kamph in his post what race is he referring to then? Other than the master race.
Then of course there are his statements about the myth of anti-Semitism.
Add to that all the garbage he posts that are from White supremacist websites, you know the ones just like you post as well.

[Virago]

I had started to notice something similar... but I have been assured that said screwing is business and not personal and is completely normal and really is the best we can do. But hey, useless jobs are real important.

http://chasemarch.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/Buckminster-Fuller-Quote.jpg

It's a wonderful concept, that we don't need to work to earn a living - that one in ten thousand person can carry us all. Very noble indeed.

Meanwhile, who's going to scrape the shit of your granny's arse in the resthome? Someone has to do it - than one in ten thousand guy is going to be a very busy fella...

[mashman]

It's a wonderful concept, that we don't need to work to earn a living - that one in ten thousand person can carry us all. Very noble indeed.

Meanwhile, who's going to scrape the shit of your granny's arse in the resthome? Someone has to do it - than one in ten thousand guy is going to be a very busy fella...

Is that a hint of sarimicasm I read in your post.

Why wouldn't the people who are currently caring for those continue to do the job? Maybe, with my new found freedom I can take some of that responsibility upon myself and repay the favour my parents did for me, as well as giving those who have looked after dear old granny a rest from having to wipe dear old granny's arse.

[husaberg]

Is that a hint of sarimicasm I read in your post.

Why wouldn't the people who are currently caring for those continue to do the job? Maybe, with my new found freedom I can take some of that responsibility upon myself and repay the favour my parents did for me, as well as giving those who have looked after dear old granny a rest from having to wipe dear old granny's arse.

Well, You're talking Shit again.<_<

[Voltaire]

So say I'm the 1 in 10 000 who comes up with a great tech breakthru capable of supporting the rest.....

So I must have been supported by some other 1 in 10 000 to do that, whats the motivation to come up with said tech breakthru?

Oh I know the natural altruism and philanthropy instinct we are all born with :laugh:

[bogan]

So say I'm the 1 in 10 000 who comes up with a great tech breakthru capable of supporting the rest.....

So I must have been supported by some other 1 in 10 000 to do that, whats the motivation to come up with said tech breakthru?

Oh I know the natural altruism and philanthropy instinct we are all born with :laugh:

Hehe, tech breakthrough is a breeze compared to granny arsewiper job...

Mind you, after murdering the business owners for their gear, maybe the mob will shoot all the grannies so no wiping required... No wonder old mushmoron is so hesitant to ever go in detail :laugh:

[Virago]

Is that a hint of sarimicasm I read in your post.

Why wouldn't the people who are currently caring for those continue to do the job? Maybe, with my new found freedom I can take some of that responsibility upon myself and repay the favour my parents did for me, as well as giving those who have looked after dear old granny a rest from having to wipe dear old granny's arse.

How noble.

This is where your airy-fairy money-free utopia where everyone is equal falls down. Who gets to live in the Remuera mansion and who gets to live in the South Auckland dump? Who gets to drive the new Roller and who gets to drive the clapped-out Caldina? Who gets the job as the mattress tester, and who gets the shit-scrapping job?

Another thread hijacked...

[mashman]

How noble.

This is where your airy-fairy money-free utopia where everyone is equal falls down. Who gets to live in the Remuera mansion and who gets to live in the South Auckland dump? Who gets to drive the new Roller and who gets to drive the clapped-out Caldina? Who gets the job as the mattress tester, and who gets the shit-scrapping job?

Another thread hijacked...

Not really given that the people who are wiping arses would have remained wiping arses within a financial economy. Whoever lives in them at the moment. Whoever drives them at the moment. The people who currently do.

No really. It's all connected. Anyhoo, your mob started it :bleh:

[bogan]

Not really given that the people who are wiping arses would have remained wiping arses within a financial economy. Whoever lives in them at the moment. Whoever drives them at the moment. The people who currently do.

No really. It's all connected. Anyhoo, your mob started it :bleh:

So this moneyfree is great cos you can have more stuff and work less; but to make it work you have to chose to have the same stuff, and work the same amount :scratch: Yeh, I'm gonna go with you still have no fucking clue what an RBE is.

[Voltaire]

d
How noble.

This is where your airy-fairy money-free utopia where everyone is equal falls down. Who gets to live in the Remuera mansion and who gets to live in the South Auckland dump? Who gets to drive the new Roller and who gets to drive the clapped-out Caldina? Who gets the job as the mattress tester, and who gets the shit-scrapping job?

Another thread hijacked...

Don't be mean to Moshie, posting drivel on here is all he has to do in the way of entertainment, that a driving around in his Caldina...

Bwahaaaaa bwahhhhh ( in absence of anything intelligent)

[oldrider]

I was more thinking

https://geopolicraticus.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/workers-paradise.jpg

https://media.licdn.com/mpr/mpr/AAEAAQAAAAAAAAKFAAAAJDlkNTA0Mjk4LTAyNmUtNDVmMC05ZW NiLTg2ZTQ0ZGY1YmQyZg.jpg

[quote Oscar]*I was more thinking[quote] As you do - so was this guy! http://www.rense.com/general43/jewishrole.htm :shifty:

[mashman]

So this moneyfree is great cos you can have more stuff and work less; but to make it work you have to chose to have the same stuff, and work the same amount :scratch: Yeh, I'm gonna go with you still have no fucking clue what an RBE is.

Holy shit... you actually worked something out. All apart from the last bit, coz I know lots about RBE. What you've miraculously stumbled upon is the main way of getting us there. Well done you.

[bogan]

Holy shit... you actually worked something out. All apart from the last bit, coz I know lots about RBE. What you've miraculously stumbled upon is the main way of getting us there. Well done you.

You know what else I worked out? That the freeloaders in your system would destroy it through rampant consumption, while the honest or hardworking types would gain nothing. It's something everyone (of note) has also worked out. Catch up, cos not picking up on very obvious details like that is why you will never understand how an actual RBE would work.

[mashman]

You know what else I worked out? That the freeloaders in your system would destroy it through rampant consumption, while the honest or hardworking types would gain nothing. It's something everyone (of note) has also worked out. Catch up, cos not picking up on very obvious details like that is why you will never understand how an actual RBE would work.

You have so much fear and negativity towards ones fellow man... yet somehow ignore the failings of the current system. Here's one: Earth overshoot day (http://www.overshootday.org/). Oh and it's not the freeloaders who are consuming all of the resources. :rofl:@understanding how an RBE would work. You've forgotten already.

[bogan]

You have so much fear and negativity towards ones fellow man... yet somehow ignore the failings of the current system. Here's one: Earth overshoot day (http://www.overshootday.org/). Oh and it's not the freeloaders who are consuming all of the resources. :rofl:@understanding how an RBE would work. You've forgotten already.

Do I? I'm not the one who made a thread dedicated to reposting a bunch of slantedly negative articles about fellow man; so forgive me if that goes the way of all your other judgements...

No, because a working economy prevents the freeloaders from freeloading, that's the point, so of course it isn't them consuming the resources you bloody muppet :facepalm How the fuck are you not understanding these basic concepts yet?

[Oscar]

Maybe you should get out more

sent for a divine source

What with world domination to maintain and the poor to oppress, who has got the time?

[Oscar]

Do I? I'm not the one who made a thread dedicated to reposting a bunch of slantedly negative articles about fellow man; so forgive me if that goes the way of all your other judgements...

No, because a working economy prevents the freeloaders from freeloading, that's the point, so of course it isn't them consuming the resources you bloody muppet :facepalm How the fuck are you not understanding these basic concepts yet?

I blame the fluoride in the water.

[Brian d marge]

I blame the fluoride in the water.
Well that's u sorted

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

Do I? I'm not the one who made a thread dedicated to reposting a bunch of slantedly negative articles about fellow man; so forgive me if that goes the way of all your other judgements...

No, because a working economy prevents the freeloaders from freeloading, that's the point, so of course it isn't them consuming the resources you bloody muppet :facepalm How the fuck are you not understanding these basic concepts yet?

Yes you do. You take out of the thread what you bring in. Throwing that on me is classic bogan.

I understand the basic concepts fine. Your opinion is noted and summarily laughed at. Why would freeloaders vote for an RBE and then summarily try to destroy it by consuming more than they were going to consume in the full knowledge that they would incur the wrath of you righteous morons and curtail what they already have access to? Oh yeah, coz you, negative man himself (it was you outside the LBQ that night wasn't it?) think them dumb and incapable of making such logical decisions. Quite simple really... yet beyond your superpowers on this occasion.

[Oscar]

Well that's u sorted

sent for a divine source

I live in the country.
Only thing in my water is possum crap.

[mashman]

What with world domination to maintain and the poor to oppress, who has got the time?

That's what money is for.

[Oscar]

Yes you do. You take out of the thread what you bring in.


That is fucking priceless.

Your contribution here at KB World usually consists of some lame and nebulous way you have of changing the world, and when you're questioned about it you resort to pompous and condescending psychobabble drivel.

Do you really drive a Caldina?

[Oscar]

That's what money is for.

How would you know?

[bogan]

Yes you do. You take out of the thread what you bring in. Throwing that on me is classic bogan.

I understand the basic concepts fine. Your opinion is noted and summarily laughed at. Why would freeloaders vote for an RBE and then summarily try to destroy it by consuming more than they were going to consume in the full knowledge that they would incur the wrath of you righteous morons and curtail what they already have access to? Oh yeah, coz you, negative man himself (it was you outside the LBQ that night wasn't it?) think them dumb and incapable of making such logical decisions. Quite simple really... yet beyond your superpowers on this occasion.

You're actually tryuing to tell me you stupid worlder thread is one of positivity :laugh: get fucked, mashy.

Because they're freeloaders, and they would get more shit. They're also dumb fucks, who would focused on the short term getting more shit, over the long term viability of the system. You also skip over the point that an RBE cannot be successfully brought in by a vote (you probably don't understand that bit yet), and that if it were brought in by a vote, some people wouldn't have voted for it; in fact some might actively want it to fail for nefarious means (all those false flaggy govt conspiracy illuminati vrils for example). These are gaping holes in your shitty communism ponzi scheme; try reading up on history to see how reality is.

[Woodman]

Do I? I'm not the one who made a thread dedicated to reposting a bunch of slantedly negative articles about fellow man; so forgive me if that goes the way of all your other judgements...

No, because a working economy prevents the freeloaders from freeloading, that's the point, so of course it isn't them consuming the resources you bloody muppet :facepalm How the fuck are you not understanding these basic concepts yet?

If this rbe shit started tomorrow I would be one of the freeloaders. Fuck working anymore, been there done that. Let the hippies and other bludgers who support this shit do all the work while the ones who work for a living now kick back and do fuck all, and see how they like having the boot on the other foot.

Which thread is this?

[bogan]

If this rbe shit started tomorrow I would be one of the freeloaders. Fuck working anymore, been there done that. Let the hippies and other bludgers who support this shit do all the work while the ones who work for a living now kick back and do fuck all, and see how they like having the boot on the other foot.

Which thread is this?

Same here, I'd still work a little though, since I enjoy it; and I'd have all new work toys to play with when I'm there :woohoo:

Well if ever on deserved to be merged with the stupid world thread, hilary vs trump is right up there...

[mashman]

That is fucking priceless.

Your contribution here at KB World usually consists of some lame and nebulous way you have of changing the world, and when you're questioned about it you resort to pompous and condescending psychobabble drivel.

Do you really drive a Caldina?

I respond with answers first though. Then I resort to the KB way i.e. I'm right and you're wrong. Ya'll like playing that game over applying any form of critical thought to something that seems alien to ya. And it's confidence... however, you know me best.

Nah, Mazda Premacy or Nissan March depending.

[mashman]

How would you know?

Pure guesswork.


You're actually tryuing to tell me you stupid worlder thread is one of positivity :laugh: get fucked, mashy.

Because they're freeloaders, and they would get more shit. They're also dumb fucks, who would focused on the short term getting more shit, over the long term viability of the system. You also skip over the point that an RBE cannot be successfully brought in by a vote (you probably don't understand that bit yet), and that if it were brought in by a vote, some people wouldn't have voted for it; in fact some might actively want it to fail for nefarious means (all those false flaggy govt conspiracy illuminati vrils for example). These are gaping holes in your shitty communism ponzi scheme; try reading up on history to see how reality is.

Nope.

Called it.


If this rbe shit started tomorrow I would be one of the freeloaders. Fuck working anymore, been there done that. Let the hippies and other bludgers who support this shit do all the work while the ones who work for a living now kick back and do fuck all, and see how they like having the boot on the other foot.

Which thread is this?

Only 6.1% of people are unemployed. So really you'd be fucking over everyone else... but why break a winning formula eh :shifty:

[seattle smitty]

"Religious people all think God is on their side. Rich people know He is."

In the USA, Democrats/liberals/Leftists all point out how the rich, corporate officers, bankers, Wall Street traders, globalists, and other members of the (Republican and conservative) political/economic Establishment are devoted to working the system to line their own pockets in ways no ordinary citizen can do. Then they tell us about all the unfortunates at the bottom of society, poor through misfortunes of various sorts, who deserve any and all welfare they get, and should get more still.

Then there are the Republicans/conservatives/Rightists who condemn the poor as mostly being too lazy to do honest work, preferring to steal and to cheat the welfare system to support their drug habits and their stupidity and sloth. Meanwhile, they ask us to believe that the people at the top of corporate America are busy creating jobs for the rest of us while our (liberal and Democratic) government Establishment taxes and regulates them excessively.

These are the two political parties "representing" us. As should be obvious, their philosophies are each simultaneously astute . . . and clueless.

[seattle smitty]

"Religious people all think God is on their side. Rich people know He is."

In the USA, Democrats/liberals/Leftists all point out how the rich, corporate officers, bankers, Wall Street traders, globalists, and other members of the (Republican and conservative) political/economic Establishment are devoted to working the system to line their own pockets in ways no ordinary citizen can do. Then they tell us about all the unfortunates at the bottom of society, poor through misfortunes of various sorts, who deserve any and all welfare they get, and should get more still.

Then there are the Republicans/conservatives/Rightists who condemn the poor as mostly being too lazy to do honest work, preferring to steal and to cheat the welfare system to support their drug habits and their stupidity and sloth. Meanwhile, they ask us to believe that the people at the top of corporate America are busy creating jobs for the rest of us while our (liberal and Democratic) government Establishment taxes and regulates them excessively.

These are the two political parties "representing" us. Seems to me their philosophies are each simultaneously astute . . . and clueless.

I took an introductory Economics class in school with a clever prof. When his lectures got to comparing economic systems, he started with Communism. He laid out a beautiful description of hard working citizens laboring for the mutual benefit of all, with no fat cats raking off all the profits, and ordinary people living prosperous, cooperative, fulfilling lives. He ended by saying to the big lecture hall full of students, "Now I submit to you that this is the best of all possible worlds!"

The next day, he launched into a similarly detailed exposition on Socialism, then on (economic) Fascism, and finally on Adam Smith's capitalism. In each case he was laying out the theories of the best advocates for each of the four economic philosophies, and at the end of each he would say, "I submit to you that this is the best of all possible worlds!"

And as far as it went, he was justified in saying that every time. If any economic system actually worked out in practice as it was supposed to work in theory, we would be delighted to live under that system.

Alas, they never do. Every one of these systems gets seriously warped out of shape, subverted (to my thinking) by roughly the same class of sharp, energetic, self-assured, self-aggrandizing, rather ruthless men who, though they usually see themselves as patriots, always rise to power and use it for the benefit of themselves and others of their kind. The early dreams of a classless communist society never had a chance against the men who took control. We who hold out hope for capitalism tell each other that communism was a nice idea, maybe the sort of system Jesus of Nazareth might have approved of with it's "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," but that it never could have worked out in practice. We point to the self-adjusting nature of Adam Smith's system as the only method that can work in actual practice, given the self-centeredness and imperfectability of actual human beings. Yet even capitalism has been twisted badly by an establishment of the same men who twisted every other economic system for their own benefit. Crony capitalism has turned out to be far from the best of all possible worlds.

[yokel]

The Clinton body count keeps climbing.

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[Voltaire]

Politicians know if you can get the ones who believe in God your on to a winner as they will believe anything.

The US sent most of its non military manufacturing to China/Mexico etc, other than to the Wall St how did that seem like a good idea?

So conditions are ripe for a war, US controls military manufacturing, huge supply of cannon fodder.

Teachers and lecturers....what do they know of the real world, nice cushy job working for the state with captive customers who think they are going to change the world when they

get their piece of paper and a mountain of student debt....starting off owing money to the Banking System that will try and keep you poor for the rest of your life.

I'm hoping Trump wins just to shake up the rotten system that has been leaching off the workers for 200 years, and sets of a chain reaction of reform, could start with the bizarre

easily manipulated voting system the US has.

[Oscar]

I'm hoping Trump wins just to shake up the rotten system that has been leaching off the workers for 200 years, and sets of a chain reaction of reform, could start with the bizarre

easily manipulated voting system the US has.

You mean the same Donald Trump that has been leaching off and manipulating that system all his life?
The multiple bankrupt, misogynist and self serving Trump?
That guy?

[TheDemonLord]

"Religious people all think God is on their side. Rich people know He is."

In the USA, Democrats/liberals/Leftists all point out how the rich, corporate officers, bankers, Wall Street traders, globalists, and other members of the (Republican and conservative) political/economic Establishment are devoted to working the system to line their own pockets in ways no ordinary citizen can do. Then they tell us about all the unfortunates at the bottom of society, poor through misfortunes of various sorts, who deserve any and all welfare they get, and should get more still.

Then there are the Republicans/conservatives/Rightists who condemn the poor as mostly being too lazy to do honest work, preferring to steal and to cheat the welfare system to support their drug habits and their stupidity and sloth. Meanwhile, they ask us to believe that the people at the top of corporate America are busy creating jobs for the rest of us while our (liberal and Democratic) government Establishment taxes and regulates them excessively.

These are the two political parties "representing" us. Seems to me their philosophies are each simultaneously astute . . . and clueless.

I took an introductory Economics class in school with a clever prof. When his lectures got to comparing economic systems, he started with Communism. He laid out a beautiful description of hard working citizens laboring for the mutual benefit of all, with no fat cats raking off all the profits, and ordinary people living prosperous, cooperative, fulfilling lives. He ended by saying to the big lecture hall full of students, "Now I submit to you that this is the best of all possible worlds!"

The next day, he launched into a similarly detailed exposition on Socialism, then on (economic) Fascism, and finally on Adam Smith's capitalism. In each case he was laying out the theories of the best advocates for each of the four economic philosophies, and at the end of each he would say, "I submit to you that this is the best of all possible worlds!"

And as far as it went, he was justified in saying that every time. If any economic system actually worked out in practice as it was supposed to work in theory, we would be delighted to live under that system.

Alas, they never do. Every one of these systems gets seriously warped out of shape, subverted (to my thinking) by roughly the same class of sharp, energetic, self-assured, self-aggrandizing, rather ruthless men who, though they usually see themselves as patriots, always rise to power and use it for the benefit of themselves and others of their kind. The early dreams of a classless communist society never had a chance against the men who took control. We who hold out hope for capitalism tell each other that communism was a nice idea, maybe the sort of system Jesus of Nazareth might have approved of with it's "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," but that it never could have worked out in practice. We point to the self-adjusting nature of Adam Smith's system as the only method that can work in actual practice, given the self-centeredness and imperfectability of actual human beings. Yet even capitalism has been twisted badly by an establishment of the same men who twisted every other economic system for their own benefit. Crony capitalism has turned out to be far from the best of all possible worlds.

In B4 Mashy comes along to tell you how it's all Moneys fault and that Man in innately good and doesn't want to fuck over each other....

On a side note - Capitalism works in the real world as the 'best' system because it works with Human Nature, not against it.

[Voltaire]

You mean the same Donald Trump that has been leaching off and manipulating that system all his life?
The multiple bankrupt, misogynist and self serving Trump?
That guy?

Oh yeah, I forgot that, surely none of the other members of the two parties are like that at all.

The way things are Kim Kardashian would probably have got as far a Donald, she knows how to make money out of nothing.

[Katman]

You mean the same Donald Trump that has been leaching off and manipulating that system all his life?
The multiple bankrupt, misogynist and self serving Trump?
That guy?

What's the alternative?

A corrupt, self serving, war whore?

[mashman]

What's the alternative?

A corrupt, self serving, war whore?

Jill Stein looks to be relatively honourable on paper... not at all as you describe her there ;)

[Katman]

Jill Stein looks to be relatively honourable on paper... not at all as you describe her there ;)

Oh, I'd dearly love to see Green Parties around the world gaining positions of power.

Not least for the opportunity of witnessing the wailing and gnashing of teeth that would erupt from a number of fuckwits on here.

(You know who you are). :finger:

[jasonu]

What's the alternative?

A corrupt, self serving, war whore?

Yep, that is the alternative...

[mashman]

Oh, I'd dearly love to see Green Parties around the world gaining positions of power.

Not least for the opportunity of witnessing the wailing and gnashing of teeth that would erupt from a number of fuckwits on here.

(You know who you are). :finger:

... and then they'd shut up shop in protest thereby making themselves the biggest unprincipled hypocrites in history. I'm still chuckling my arse off on that one. "I don't like your system so I shan't participate... but yeah, bludgers are the worst for not participating in a system that they don't like." :killingme :crybaby: :killingme. Yeah, bring on teh greens as it'll be fuckin hilarious to watch them become that which they revile.

[TheDemonLord]

... and then they'd shut up shop in protest thereby making themselves the biggest unprincipled hypocrites in history. I'm still chuckling my arse off on that one. "I don't like your system so I shan't participate... but yeah, bludgers are the worst for not participating in a system that they don't like." :killingme :crybaby: :killingme. Yeah, bring on teh greens as it'll be fuckin hilarious to watch them become that which they revile.

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[Voltaire]

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[mashman]

Well, you could be waiting a while :bleh:

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[Brian d marge]

"Religious people all think God is on their side. Rich people know He is."

In the USA, Democrats/liberals/Leftists all point out how the rich, corporate officers, bankers, Wall Street traders, globalists, and other members of the (Republican and conservative) political/economic Establishment are devoted to working the system to line their own pockets in ways no ordinary citizen can do. Then they tell us about all the unfortunates at the bottom of society, poor through misfortunes of various sorts, who deserve any and all welfare they get, and should get more still.

Then there are the Republicans/conservatives/Rightists who condemn the poor as mostly being too lazy to do honest work, preferring to steal and to cheat the welfare system to support their drug habits and their stupidity and sloth. Meanwhile, they ask us to believe that the people at the top of corporate America are busy creating jobs for the rest of us while our (liberal and Democratic) government Establishment taxes and regulates them excessively.

These are the two political parties "representing" us. Seems to me their philosophies are each simultaneously astute . . . and clueless.

I took an introductory Economics class in school with a clever prof. When his lectures got to comparing economic systems, he started with Communism. He laid out a beautiful description of hard working citizens laboring for the mutual benefit of all, with no fat cats raking off all the profits, and ordinary people living prosperous, cooperative, fulfilling lives. He ended by saying to the big lecture hall full of students, "Now I submit to you that this is the best of all possible worlds!"

The next day, he launched into a similarly detailed exposition on Socialism, then on (economic) Fascism, and finally on Adam Smith's capitalism. In each case he was laying out the theories of the best advocates for each of the four economic philosophies, and at the end of each he would say, "I submit to you that this is the best of all possible worlds!"

And as far as it went, he was justified in saying that every time. If any economic system actually worked out in practice as it was supposed to work in theory, we would be delighted to live under that system.

Alas, they never do. Every one of these systems gets seriously warped out of shape, subverted (to my thinking) by roughly the same class of sharp, energetic, self-assured, self-aggrandizing, rather ruthless men who, though they usually see themselves as patriots, always rise to power and use it for the benefit of themselves and others of their kind. The early dreams of a classless communist society never had a chance against the men who took control. We who hold out hope for capitalism tell each other that communism was a nice idea, maybe the sort of system Jesus of Nazareth might have approved of with it's "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," but that it never could have worked out in practice. We point to the self-adjusting nature of Adam Smith's system as the only method that can work in actual practice, given the self-centeredness and imperfectability of actual human beings. Yet even capitalism has been twisted badly by an establishment of the same men who twisted every other economic system for their own benefit. Crony capitalism has turned out to be far from the best of all possible worlds.
Keep following that train of thought
I've followed it to before the Sumerians , as the record keeping wasn't so hot back before the Sumerians
Even back then there was a bullion class gaming the system
One person however managed to cause Tiberius to use his entire personal fortune... In one of the first cases of Q.E




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[Brian d marge]

"Religious people all think God is on their side. Rich people know He is."

In the USA, Democrats/liberals/Leftists all point out how the rich, corporate officers, bankers, Wall Street traders, globalists, and other members of the (Republican and conservative) political/economic Establishment are devoted to working the system to line their own pockets in ways no ordinary citizen can do. Then they tell us about all the unfortunates at the bottom of society, poor through misfortunes of various sorts, who deserve any and all welfare they get, and should get more still.

Then there are the Republicans/conservatives/Rightists who condemn the poor as mostly being too lazy to do honest work, preferring to steal and to cheat the welfare system to support their drug habits and their stupidity and sloth. Meanwhile, they ask us to believe that the people at the top of corporate America are busy creating jobs for the rest of us while our (liberal and Democratic) government Establishment taxes and regulates them excessively.

These are the two political parties "representing" us. Seems to me their philosophies are each simultaneously astute . . . and clueless.

I took an introductory Economics class in school with a clever prof. When his lectures got to comparing economic systems, he started with Communism. He laid out a beautiful description of hard working citizens laboring for the mutual benefit of all, with no fat cats raking off all the profits, and ordinary people living prosperous, cooperative, fulfilling lives. He ended by saying to the big lecture hall full of students, "Now I submit to you that this is the best of all possible worlds!"

The next day, he launched into a similarly detailed exposition on Socialism, then on (economic) Fascism, and finally on Adam Smith's capitalism. In each case he was laying out the theories of the best advocates for each of the four economic philosophies, and at the end of each he would say, "I submit to you that this is the best of all possible worlds!"

And as far as it went, he was justified in saying that every time. If any economic system actually worked out in practice as it was supposed to work in theory, we would be delighted to live under that system.

Alas, they never do. Every one of these systems gets seriously warped out of shape, subverted (to my thinking) by roughly the same class of sharp, energetic, self-assured, self-aggrandizing, rather ruthless men who, though they usually see themselves as patriots, always rise to power and use it for the benefit of themselves and others of their kind. The early dreams of a classless communist society never had a chance against the men who took control. We who hold out hope for capitalism tell each other that communism was a nice idea, maybe the sort of system Jesus of Nazareth might have approved of with it's "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need," but that it never could have worked out in practice. We point to the self-adjusting nature of Adam Smith's system as the only method that can work in actual practice, given the self-centeredness and imperfectability of actual human beings. Yet even capitalism has been twisted badly by an establishment of the same men who twisted every other economic system for their own benefit. Crony capitalism has turned out to be far from the best of all possible worlds.
Keep following that train of thought
I've followed it to, before the Sumerian's , as the record keeping wasn't so hot back before the Sumerian's
Even back then there was a bullion class gaming the system
One person however managed to cause Tiberius to use his entire personal fortune... In one of the first cases of Q.E

Now on saying that president Chauncey , talked about about a forest ( he used the garden as his metaphor)
But a forest is a good example of an economic system .



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[yokel]

This is why the TV doesn't like Trump very much.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/83091031/donald-trump-barack-obama-and-hillary-clinton-cofounded-islamic-state

[oldrider]

Puppets - they did what they were told to do - that's what makes them so dangerous to the rest of the world! :facepalm:

[Banditbandit]

This is why the TV doesn't like Trump very much.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/83091031/donald-trump-barack-obama-and-hillary-clinton-cofounded-islamic-state



http://www.crethiplethi.com/the-historical-roots-and-stages-in-the-development-of-isis/islamic-countries/syria-islamic-countries/2015/



Historical background

ISIS took root in the new era created in Iraq after the Americans took control of the country in 2003. The Second Gulf War led to the overthrow of Saddam Hussein’s regime, the dismantling of the Iraqi army and the destruction of the existing governmental structure. As a result, a security and governmental vacuum was created and the country’s fragile social fabric (in the middle of which was the volatile Sunni-Shi’ite schism) was severely damaged.


I wonder who was President of the US at that time ... ??? Huh huh .. do you know ?

[PrincessBandit]

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[yokel]

http://www.crethiplethi.com/the-historical-roots-and-stages-in-the-development-of-isis/islamic-countries/syria-islamic-countries/2015/





I wonder who was President of the US at that time ... ??? Huh huh .. do you know ?

Are yes all terrorist come out of this, how convenient

http://static.sbnxt.com/pa2/u56/fu6/power-vacuum-with-coin-acceptor.png?Power%20vacuum%20with%20coin%20accept or

Obama is a continuation of the same plan.
and so is Hillary.

You know when Trump says he will defeat ISIS quickly just means he'll stop the writing out checks for new Toyotas and green screen beheadings.

The source of your disinfo "intelligence and Terrorism (BS) Information Center".

http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/article/20733

[Voltaire]

Trumph could shut down Toyota for producing WMD's

http://stateofthenation2012.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/isis-trucks1.jpg

https://andelino.files.wordpress.com/2015/02/toyota-akbar-03.jpg

Probably funded thru a branch of Mossad :shifty:

[Grumph]

I remember the Aussie plumber who saw his old truck on TV - still signwritten - being used by ISIS as a fighting vehicle.
From memory he had a public go at the dealer he sold it to who had sold it to a cash buyer.
Apparently it was dead easy to ship it to where ISIS could pick it up...

Shut this stuff off and make them fight on foot or from a Camel.

[Woodman]

Oh, I'd dearly love to see Green Parties around the world gaining positions of power.

Not least for the opportunity of witnessing the wailing and gnashing of teeth that would erupt from a number of fuckwits on here.

(You know who you are). :finger:


... and then they'd shut up shop in protest thereby making themselves the biggest unprincipled hypocrites in history. I'm still chuckling my arse off on that one. "I don't like your system so I shan't participate... but yeah, bludgers are the worst for not participating in a system that they don't like." :killingme :crybaby: :killingme. Yeah, bring on teh greens as it'll be fuckin hilarious to watch them become that which they revile.

wtf are you two going on about?

[husaberg]

wtf are you two going on about?

I think, you will find that one, has clearly been sampling his own product, a bit too much.:lol:


You still sound like the cocksucker who tried starting a rumour that I dealt P from my business.

I.... so... want to fuck you.
On the plus side it does go along way to explaining his rampant paranoia.
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[Brian d marge]

Are yes all terrorist come out of this, how convenient

http://static.sbnxt.com/pa2/u56/fu6/power-vacuum-with-coin-acceptor.png?Power%20vacuum%20with%20coin%20accept or

Obama is a continuation of the same plan.
and so is Hillary.

You know when Trump says he will defeat ISIS quickly just means he'll stop the writing out checks for new Toyotas and green screen beheadings.

The source of your disinfo "intelligence and Terrorism (BS) Information Center".

http://www.terrorism-info.org.il/en/article/20733
Absolutely
Isis , biggest con job since Zbiginew Brzinsky was a choir boy

They pulled the same stunt way back in the day, when I was I lad , all the Bolsheviks, were running around in Ford trucks ... Possibly why they failed to enslave europe

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[husaberg]

Absolutely
Isis , biggest con job since Zbiginew Brzinsky was a choir boy

They pulled the same stunt way back in the day, when I was I lad , all the Bolsheviks, were running around in Ford trucks ... Possibly why they failed to enslave europe

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Where they Black?


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The Fords trucks, not the Bolsheviks
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[Brian d marge]

Where they Black?
The ford trucks, not the Bolsheviks:bleh:

ho ho very funny , must spread the love etc , ..yes they were , you could have any color as long as it wasnt shocking pink

[husaberg]

ho ho very funny , must spread the love etc , ..yes they were , you could have any color as long as it wasnt shocking pink

Don't get me wrong they were right to be concerned look what I found under my bed.
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[Katman]

Don't get me wrong they were right to be concerned look what I found under my bed.
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Please tell us that's not the last 14 year old you took home.

[husaberg]

Please tell us that's not the last 14 year old you took home.
Seriously You are an us Now? I knew you had tickets on yourself, but shit sell a few less.
BTW Its Nicole Kidman, so pretty sure she's not 14.

[Madness]

Its Nicole Kidman, such a pity she's not 14.

I actually laughed out loud at this post.

[Brian d marge]

Don't get me wrong they were right to be concerned look what I found under my bed.
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I have the same VHS , unfortunately , the tape is stretched at the good bits

[Voltaire]

I have the same VHS , unfortunately , the tape is stretched at the good bits

If you've got blisters use a better tape.http://www.e-firstaidsupplies.com/store/graphics/00000001/922-10846-012312.jpg

[Akzle]

...

On a side note - Capitalism works in the real world as the 'best' system because it works with Human Nature, not against it.

http://www.upworthy.com/2-monkeys-were-paid-unequally-see-what-happens-next

there was actually a ted talk I was looking for but google fu fails me.


oh wait. here. note where she says "an unnatural system like the economoney"
http://www.ted.com/talks/laurie_santos?language=en

note also that monkeys start stealing shit when money is introduced. hurrah free market!

[Ocean1]

"an unnatural system like the economoney"

How you goin' with your "natural" system?

Only, history says last time anyone was retarded enough to try that shit it was solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.

Any similarities to the more contemporary adherent completely coincidental?

Or are you not actually walking the talk?

[TheDemonLord]

http://www.upworthy.com/2-monkeys-were-paid-unequally-see-what-happens-next

there was actually a ted talk I was looking for but google fu fails me.


oh wait. here. note where she says "an unnatural system like the economoney"
http://www.ted.com/talks/laurie_santos?language=en

note also that monkeys start stealing shit when money is introduced. hurrah free market!

Funny Video - But not capitalism. They are doing the same work, ergo they are expecting the same reward (nothing wrong with that).

I'll give you an example of Capitalism in the Animal kingdom - a Lion Pride. The Male lion gets first dibs on any kill, leaving those that brought down the prey (The lionesses typically) to get the left overs, however the Male Lion has to fight to the death to defend his Pride (and cubs) should a rival lion try and take over the pride.

Capitalism 101 - he that takes the biggest risk gets the biggest reward.

[Brian d marge]

How you goin' with your "natural" system?

Only, history says last time anyone was retarded enough to try that shit it was solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.

Any similarities to the more contemporary adherent completely coincidental?

Or are you not actually walking the talk?

fk me , Calvin and Hobbes ,

you do know when he formed that opinion and why ....

yes of course you do otherwise you wouldnt have used it ...

[Brian d marge]

Funny Video - But not capitalism. They are doing the same work, ergo they are expecting the same reward (nothing wrong with that).

I'll give you an example of Capitalism in the Animal kingdom - a Lion Pride. The Male lion gets first dibs on any kill, leaving those that brought down the prey (The lionesses typically) to get the left overs, however the Male Lion has to fight to the death to defend his Pride (and cubs) should a rival lion try and take over the pride.

Capitalism 101 - he that takes the biggest risk gets the biggest reward.

Ahh economic Darwinism , uncle Milton would so proud !

[Akzle]

How you goin' with your "natural" system?

Only, history says last time anyone was retarded enough to try that shit it was solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.

Any similarities to the more contemporary adherent completely coincidental?

Or are you not actually walking the talk?

I just wonder if they named capuchins after capuchinos, or the other way around

[Banditbandit]

Are yes all terrorist come out of this, how convenient



That's just stupid - even below your usual level.

[TheDemonLord]

Ahh economic Darwinism , uncle Milton would so proud !

Well, it could be said that Money and Capitalism evolved to meet a need.....

[Ocean1]

fk me , Calvin and Hobbes ,

you do know when he formed that opinion and why ....

yes of course you do otherwise you wouldnt have used it ...

Of course. He was pointing out that anti-establishment fuckwit hippies can't tie their own shoelaces without help.

[mashman]

note also that monkeys start stealing shit when money is introduced. hurrah free market!

Tis what happens when the environmental circumstances change, just like the 5 monkey experiment. One slight difference being, you can't reason with an Ocean, I mean monkey.

[yokel]

I remember the Aussie plumber who saw his old truck on TV - still signwritten - being used by ISIS as a fighting vehicle.
From memory he had a public go at the dealer he sold it to who had sold it to a cash buyer.
Apparently it was dead easy to ship it to where ISIS could pick it up...

Shut this stuff off and make them fight on foot or from a Camel.

And Obama's guns ending up being used in that Paris terrorist attack, oops..... http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/fast-and-furious-paris-attacks-gun-terrorist/2016/07/05/id/737087/


That's just stupid - even below your usual level.

Yet another pointless out burst, you feel better now??

[mashman]

bwaaaaaaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zglYnfDnmBk

[husaberg]

That's just stupid - even below your usual level.

Are you suggesting that yokel has raised the bar when it comes to stupidity?

[Brian d marge]

Of course. He was pointing out that anti-establishment fuckwit hippies can't tie their own shoelaces without help.
Oh dear , your book reviews ....


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[Brian d marge]

Well, it could be said that Money and Capitalism evolved to meet a need.....
It did actually

You are right there

Once the few realized they could scam the system
Use the temple to give it substance
They could relive the golden age
Without doing fk all



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[TheDemonLord]

It did actually

You are right there

Once the few realized they could scam the system
Use the temple to give it substance
They could relive the golden age
Without doing fk all



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The problem with that line of reasoning is the implication that it didn't or doesn't meet the needs of the wider population.

[Brian d marge]

The problem with that line of reasoning is the implication that it didn't or doesn't meet the needs of the wider population.
That's right
Tis the ponzi scheme was label capatalisim now
A rigged ponzi scheme for the benefit of a few



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[TheDemonLord]

That's right
Tis the ponzi scheme was label capatalisim now
A rigged ponzi scheme for the benefit of a few



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Then why are we able to enjoy many of the things that are fellow non-capitalist fellows struggle with?

This is not to say Capitalism is perfect nor is it to say that there is not scope for people to play the game in such a way to give themselves advantages, only that it does give everyone the possibility of succeeding and that it's flow on effects benefit everyone.

[Brian d marge]

Then why are we able to enjoy many of the things that are fellow non-capitalist fellows struggle with?

This is not to say Capitalism is perfect nor is it to say that there is not scope for people to play the game in such a way to give themselves advantages, only that it does give everyone the possibility of succeeding and that it's flow on effects benefit everyone.
Because some fella with , capital , is using the capital to extract more capital from another
This is a zero sum game
I.e I go back to my marbles in a can analogy.
If I have 10 marbles in a can . 1. How do I get the original capital. 2 once I have a start how can I extract the other 9 marbles from the can ( other people). We could convince the others that I'm providing a service or that u need it to fit into society
Then once I've obtained all said marbles the velocity or movement of said marbles goes to zero.

Oh no the economy has stopped unless u pretend u have more marbles in can

Or you discover some more marbles in the toy box ya mum gave you when u were a child ...

Either way for the economy to function , new marbles must enter the system

Or you put your original marbles BACK into the can , but then you will be poor again



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[TheDemonLord]

Because some fella with , capital , is using the capital to extract more capital from another
This is a zero sum game
I.e I go back to my marbles in a can analogy.
If I have 10 marbles in a can . 1. How do I get the original capital. 2 once I have a start how can I extract the other 9 marbles from the can ( other people). We could convince the others that I'm providing a service or that u need it to fit into society
Then once I've obtained all said marbles the velocity or movement of said marbles goes to zero.

Oh no the economy has stopped unless u pretend u have more marbles in can

Or you discover some more marbles in the toy box ya mum gave you when u were a child ...

Either way for the economy to function , new marbles must enter the system

Or you put your original marbles BACK into the can , but then you will be poor again

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Investment, Generation of Wealth by personal Agency. Problem Solved.

[Ocean1]

Because some fella with , capital , is using the capital to extract more capital from another
This is a zero sum game
I.e I go back to my marbles in a can analogy.
If I have 10 marbles in a can . 1. How do I get the original capital. 2 once I have a start how can I extract the other 9 marbles from the can ( other people). We could convince the others that I'm providing a service or that u need it to fit into society
Then once I've obtained all said marbles the velocity or movement of said marbles goes to zero.

Oh no the economy has stopped unless u pretend u have more marbles in can

Or you discover some more marbles in the toy box ya mum gave you when u were a child ...

Either way for the economy to function , new marbles must enter the system

Or you put your original marbles BACK into the can , but then you will be poor again



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That was a fucking stupid analogy the first time you dreamed it up. Several iterations later, having learned fuck all it's no brighter.

Make. More. Marbles.

[Oscar]

That was a fucking stupid analogy the first time you dreamed it up. Several iterations later, having learned fuck all it's no brighter.

Make. More. Marbles.

His analogy doesn't work due to his unfamiliarity with his chosen medium of exchange.















He lost his marbles long ago.

[Akzle]

.

Make. More. Marbles.

I believe they call that "quantative easing" (or "hyperinflation" when they dont get the books right)

doesn't actually mean there's any more things of worth. just more pretty paper for jew citizen to feel good about.

I believe you're not stupid, but deffo fucking obtuse.

[TheDemonLord]

I believe they call that "quantative easing" (or "hyperinflation" when they dont get the books right)

doesn't actually mean there's any more things of worth. just more pretty paper for jew citizen to feel good about.

I believe you're not stupid, but deffo fucking obtuse.

But when there are more things of Worth, the money supply needs to be adjusted to reflect that.

It's almost like what I've been saying all along...

[Ocean1]

I believe they call that "quantative easing" (or "hyperinflation" when they dont get the books right)

doesn't actually mean there's any more things of worth. just more pretty paper for jew citizen to feel good about.

I believe you're not stupid, but deffo fucking obtuse.

No, it's called making money, and it's achieved by creating shit others want to buy.

More shit to buy = more money.

Not surprise you're unfamiliar with the concept, it's so much less fraught to insist that money is nothing to do with your inability to produce anything of value.

[Banditbandit]

That was a fucking stupid analogy the first time you dreamed it up. Several iterations later, having learned fuck all it's no brighter.

Make. More. Marbles.

Yeah .. there are only a certain number of marbles that can be made with the world's resources.

And who should benefit from making marbles? The person who made the marbles ? That would be the worker ..

[Ocean1]

Yeah .. there are only a certain number of marbles that can be made with the world's resources.

And who should benefit from making marbles? The person who made the marbles ? That would be the worker ..

Correct. And while we need to conserve some of them better than we are that don't mean we orta stop using them. Also, raw resources don't equal money. Raw resources plus added value equals money. Which is what's been happening since the industrial revolution, tech advances allow us to use a metric shitload fewer resources to produce better outcomes than ever before by adding far more value, and that's a trend showing no sign of slowing down.

As for your "worker" making marbles; well he might, but not without a bunch of different expertise he don't have and more capital than he probably has access to. So don't give me any misanthropic drivel about corporate greed gobbling up the planet and leaving the poor worker destitute. Your "worker" is just another resource, one of many required to make shit in the real world, and his value is that which he adds to the product, nothing more and nothing less.

[yokel]

No, it's called making money, and it's achieved by creating shit others want to buy.

More shit to buy = more money.

Not surprise you're unfamiliar with the concept, it's so much less fraught to insist that money is nothing to do with your inability to produce anything of value.

Sorry that's not making money.
That's just exchanging goods and services for currency.

[Ocean1]

Sorry that's not making money.
That's just exchanging goods and services for currency.

Incorrect. Adding value to a product and exchanging that value for something else using money to facilitate the exchange is most certainly known as "making money".

You can, like many panhandlers before you attempt to convince someone to give you money in exchange for fuck all, but it's not generally successful outside of a select few idiots.

[Brian d marge]

That was a fucking stupid analogy the first time you dreamed it up. Several iterations later, having learned fuck all it's no brighter.

Make. More. Marbles.
No the analogy was bang on

The fail was ur end

And I didn't even introduce, ... Interest

THAT would have caused many of us to exclaim:

https://youtu.be/vsD59uKVTxc



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[Brian d marge]

His analogy doesn't work due to his unfamiliarity with his chosen medium of exchange.















He lost his marbles long ago.
YOUR unfamiliarity

I know the subject quite well thank you
So , if I am unfamiliar with said subject ,perhaps u can enlighten us all


No , I thought not .....

Potty mouth and nothing in the trousers

Just out of interest

Where does interest on fiat currency come from

You DO know the difference between money and currency don't you?



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[Brian d marge]

That was a fucking stupid analogy the first time you dreamed it up. Several iterations later, having learned fuck all it's no brighter.

Make. More. Marbles.
By the way ya brain surgeon, ya just devalued your currency.

Thanks to your brilliant scheme of making more marbles

Has now made all the others worth less

One hopes it's your wife that runs the finances in you house..

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[Oscar]

YOUR unfamiliarity

I know the subject quite well thank you
So , if I am unfamiliar with said subject ,perhaps u can enlighten us all


No , I thought not .....

Potty mouth and nothing in the trousers

Just out of interest

Where does interest on fiat currency come from

You DO know the difference between money and currency don't you?



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I find your pretentious, badly written sermonising quite boring, so I will not be indulging you.
Feel free to continue playing with your marbles.

[Akzle]

No, it's called making money, and it's achieved by creating shit others want to buy.

More shit to buy = more money.

Not surprise you're unfamiliar with the concept, it's so much less fraught to insist that money is nothing to do with your inability to produce anything of value.

no, it's called printing money and it's done by jews.

more money= richer jews.

not surprise you can't see it. the system works for you and you don't care the cost to the next generations. shellfish git.
a shame they haven't mastered recto-cranial extrative surgery yet, something money can't buy eh. :laugh:

[mashman]

Make. More. Marbles.

Sounds like forgery and/or fraud to me.

[Akzle]

But when there are more things of Worth, the money supply needs to be adjusted to reflect that.

It's almost like what I've been saying all along...

you, i DO believe are fucking stupid. and obtuse.

[Ocean1]

no, it's called printing money and it's done by jews.

more money= richer jews.

not surprise you can't see it. the system works for you and you don't care the cost to the next generations. shellfish git.
a shame they haven't mastered recto-cranial extrative surgery yet, something money can't buy eh. :laugh:

Yeah, you go right on believing your failures are everyone else's fault, it must be very reassuring for you.

Idiot.

[Brian d marge]

I find your pretentious, badly written sermonising quite boring, so I will not be indulging you.
Feel free to continue playing with your marbles.
In other words

As I said ...

Rules are simple , young Simeon,

If ya call some one out , put up or shut up

Which will it be

You either know enough in order to say that another doesn't

Or you don't know shit , in which case , you bluster and bale ....

And I think you know which one I'm guessing

Q

sent for a divine source

[Brian d marge]

Sounds like forgery and/or fraud to me.
Hey its interest charged on a loan ..

But if you have all da marbles , how will I ever pay back the interest... Oh wait ... You put a spin on it

Hahahaaaa ..I see....... some smoke here and some mirrors there..
and young Oscar spends hours wondering why he looks so handsome ...

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[Ocean1]

No the analogy was bang on

The fail was ur end

And I didn't even introduce, ... Interest

THAT would have caused many of us to exclaim:

https://youtu.be/vsD59uKVTxc



sent for a divine source

You have at no time ever introduced anything worth listening to.

And you might want to ask yourself how you can double the asset value in an economy and NOT increase either the currency or it's value.

Or not. Here's the deal: you stick with the pretentious bullshit and I'won't bother reading it.

[Ocean1]

Sounds like forgery and/or fraud to me.

Doesn't surprise me, it's been obvious for some time that you wouldn't recognise productive effort if it kicked you in the arse.

[bogan]

And you might want to ask yourself how you can double the asset value in an economy and NOT increase either the currency or it's value.

Just a wild arsed guess, but is there some sort of link between that and production :whistle:

[Ocean1]

Just a wild arsed guess, but is there some sort of link between that and production :whistle:

Nah, it's all QE hammers pulled out of an evel fairy bankers arse.

[mashman]

Doesn't surprise me, it's been obvious for some time that you wouldn't recognise productive effort if it kicked you in the arse.

That's coz I'm retired dumb arse.

[Brian d marge]

You have at no time ever introduced anything worth listening to.

And you might want to ask yourself how you can double the asset value in an economy and NOT increase either the currency or it's value.

Or not. Here's the deal: you stick with the pretentious bullshit and I'won't bother reading it.

So u increase the value of an asset but no increase of currency or the value of said asset

So u have a shed , it produces Vaseline.
Did , I not say that in order to convince the sheep to part with the 9 marbles ( the shed and raw materials obtained with 1 marble) you either sell them stuff they think they need , Vaseline in this case . OR u put the marbles back into the can at the same rate u take em out
Insert the joke about the 100 dollar bill and the hooker.

Not rocket science ....

You and I both know the value of that bridge I've been trying to sell u . The one in Auckland

But our perceived perception of its scarcity is holding the sale back

As for anything worth listening to , again thats your side ...




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[mashman]

Hey its interest charged on a loan ..

But if you have all da marbles , how will I ever pay back the interest... Oh wait ... You put a spin on it

Hahahaaaa ..I see....... some smoke here and some mirrors there..
and young Oscar spends hours wondering why he looks so handsome ...

sent for a divine source

Yes it's on farcebook, but click the play anyway, yule not regret it. (https://www.facebook.com/soulmatestv/videos/1783846248498063/?pnref=story)

[yokel]

How the moneys really made.

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[TheDemonLord]

you, i DO believe are fucking stupid. and obtuse.

Sure, I mean it would be a shame if your misconceptions about Monetary theory were dispelled with such a simple concept as the generation of wealth....

[Voltaire]

That's coz I'm retired dumb arse.

Should kick back and enjoy your time then ;).

If I was retired I'd be on the next plane out of here.

Probably ship my 30 year old BMW too.

[Brian d marge]

Nah, it's all QE hammers pulled out of an evel fairy bankers arse.
Even my wife has grasped the idea..she said , I must produce something u need in order to get some marbles back ,
At that point even she said fk that I ain't ur slave

There goes tonight's entertainment
Fk

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[Oscar]

In other words

As I said ...

Rules are simple , young Simeon,

If ya call some one out , put up or shut up

Which will it be

You either know enough in order to say that another doesn't

Or you don't know shit , in which case , you bluster and bale ....

And I think you know which one I'm guessing

Q

sent for a divine source

The fact that you think there are rules on the interweb makes you a bigger fuckwit than I had previously suspected.

[Brian d marge]

The fact that you think there are rules on the interweb makes you a bigger fuckwit than I had previously suspected.
Hey at least I front up

Weasel

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[Oscar]

Hey at least I front up

Weasel

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I'm quite happy to front up.

You talk a good game, you bluster and you say nothing of substance.

[Katman]

You talk a good game, you bluster and you say nothing of substance.

I think you're thinking of bogan.

[bogan]

I think you're thinking of bogan.

Oh look, an irrelevant, worthless, and unsubstantiated insult inferring another poster posts nothing of substance. Going for most ironic post of the year are we KM? There's some very stiff competition been entered in the last month but I see you've 'raised' your game to compensate...

Or do you just miss me? :laugh:

[TheDemonLord]

Oh look, an irrelevant, worthless, and unsubstantiated insult inferring another poster posts nothing of substance. Going for most ironic post of the year are we KM? There's some very stiff competition been entered in the last month but I see you've 'raised' your game to compensate...

Or do you just miss me? :laugh:

I think he's feeling left out....

[Brian d marge]

I'm quite happy to front up.

You talk a good game, you bluster and you say nothing of substance.
Oh really ,

Thank u for the complement

But as far as substance ... I use but u abuse

Shall we scan back and find a shred of substance in one of ur posts

I can't think of one ...someone will have to help

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

Should kick back and enjoy your time then ;).

If I was retired I'd be on the next plane out of here.

Probably ship my 30 year old BMW too.

I am thanks... however i have some time to kill until the kids leave home before I go a wanderin :2thumbsup


Or do you just miss me? :laugh:

Nah, he got you.

[Voltaire]

Oh look, an irrelevant, worthless, and unsubstantiated insult inferring another poster posts nothing of substance. Going for most ironic post of the year are we KM? There's some very stiff competition been entered in the last month but I see you've 'raised' your game to compensate...

Or do you just miss me? :laugh:

Poster Posts, I like it.

Postman Kat
Postman Kat
Postman Kat and his spoked wheeled Kat.:rolleyes:

[Voltaire]

I am thanks... however i have some time to kill until the kids leave home before I go a wanderin :2thumbsup

.

I've got one out the door, the other will have to move to the other side of the Bombays if he wants to buy a house, then will be closely followed by me.

[Akzle]

Yeah, you go right on believing your failures are everyone else's fault, it must be very reassuring for you.

Idiot.

and those failures would be what?
I mean, I absolutely did say what you just said I did..
o// wait on...

[Akzle]

Sure, I mean it would be a shame if your misconceptions about Monetary theory were dispelled with such a simple concept as the generation of wealth....

MY misconceptions.

bwaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
tool.

[Oscar]

Oh really ,

Thank u for the complement

But as far as substance ... I use but u abuse

Shall we scan back and find a shred of substance in one of ur posts

I can't think of one ...someone will have to help

sent for a divine source


Substance?

Surely you jest - you are speaking of marbles in a thread about the US Presidential Election.

Notwithstanding that, your usual MO is to post some half arsed theory and ask the reader to do their own research.

[Akzle]

.

Notwithstanding that, your usual MO is to post some half arsed theory and ask the reader to do their own research.

oh no. his "theories" are wholly assed. they're factual. in fact.

[Oscar]

oh no. his "theories" are wholly assed. they're factual. in fact.

Are you a Septic?
The word is "arsed".

[TheDemonLord]

MY misconceptions.

bwaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa.
tool.

I give your Mashman impression 3/10 - not enough mentions of RBEs

But yes, your Misconception - you build a scenario in which you can't resolve the factors, then point to it as proof of your theory. But your scenario deliberately leaves out the factor that allows you to unite them.

It would be like someone saying that a Motorbike can't be faster than a push bike, by deliberately ignoring that a Motorbike has an internal combustion engine powered by Petrol.

[Ocean1]

and those failures would be what?
I mean, I absolutely did say what you just said I did..
o// wait on...

Let's start with obvious, on account of the number of excuses you make for them.

[Banditbandit]

Correct. And while we need to conserve some of them better than we are that don't mean we orta stop using them. Also, raw resources don't equal money. Raw resources plus added value equals money. Which is what's been happening since the industrial revolution, tech advances allow us to use a metric shitload fewer resources to produce better outcomes than ever before by adding far more value, and that's a trend showing no sign of slowing down.

As for your "worker" making marbles; well he might, but not without a bunch of different expertise he don't have and more capital than he probably has access to. So don't give me any misanthropic drivel about corporate greed gobbling up the planet and leaving the poor worker destitute. Your "worker" is just another resource, one of many required to make shit in the real world, and his value is that which he adds to the product, nothing more and nothing less.

You reply is littered with value judgements which we don't all share.

And "workers are a resource" hmmm .. first of all workers are human beings, not just a resource for the capitalists to exploit. Exploiting human beings is called slavery ..

[Voltaire]

You reply is littered with value judgements which we don't all share.

And "workers are a resource" hmmm .. first of all workers are human beings, not just a resource for the capitalists to exploit. Exploiting human beings is called slavery ..

They have changed it from Slavery to Jobs and Banking.

[Banditbandit]

They have changed it from Slavery to Jobs and Banking.

A rose by any other name ...

[Voltaire]

A rose by any other name ...


Shakespeare? or that other guy who wrote his plays :laugh:

[Woodman]

You reply is littered with value judgements which we don't all share.

And "workers are a resource" hmmm .. first of all workers are human beings, not just a resource for the capitalists to exploit. Exploiting human beings is called slavery ..

Workers are a resource that are there to be exploited. Exploitation is not necessarily a negative thing. The word has been mis-used a lot.

[Banditbandit]

Shakespeare? or that other guy who wrote his plays :laugh:

Yeah .. the playwright ..

[Banditbandit]

Workers are a resource that are there to be exploited. Exploitation is not necessarily a negative thing. The word has been mis-used a lot.

Good luck when the revolution comes ..

[TheDemonLord]

Good luck when the revolution comes ..

What of the Entrepreneur then? Is he exploiting himself?

[Banditbandit]

What of the Entrepreneur then? Is he exploiting himself?

Well, Stalin certainly thought so - kulaks all and off to the Gulags with them ...

I don't subscribe to the structuralist analysis completely.

I knew of a businessman, with a middle size business, who paid himself a weekly wage at the same rate as his highest employee - and at the end of the year divided the company profits equally between himself and his staff .... and I mean equally, not pro rata on a salary basis.


Now, he had to know business and finance because he established and ran a very successful business ... but he certainly was not an exploiter ..

He also had a very happy, hard-working and loyal staff - which also goes to explain why his business was so successful. This was back in the 1970s .. and he had no strikes. People didn't ask for overtime for an extra hour after work (he rarely asked and more often they put their hands up for it when they knew stuff needed to be done )

Excellent way to run a business.

[TheDemonLord]

Well, Stalin certainly thought so - kulaks all and off to the Gulags with them ...

I don't subscribe to the structuralist analysis completely.

I knew of a businessman, with a middle size business, who paid himself a weekly wage at the same rate as his highest employee - and at the end of the year divided the company profits equally between himself and his staff .... and I mean equally, not pro rata on a salary basis.


Now, he had to know business and finance because he established and ran a very successful business ... but he certainly was not an exploiter ..

He also had a very happy, hard-working and loyal staff - which also goes to explain why his business was so successful. This was back in the 1970s .. and he had no strikes. People didn't ask for overtime for an extra hour after work (he rarely asked and more often they put their hands up for it when they knew stuff needed to be done )

Excellent way to run a business.

If it worked for him, then more power to him.
Ultimately the level of exploitation IMO comes down to the individual. Case in point - my last company, we did a lot of work afterhours (it's IT so it's par for the course) that wasn't paid, but the flip side was no one complained if I was 30-40 mins late into the office - because they knew that I was doing 40+ hours a week with all the A/Hs work.

New company pays me Time and a Half for A/H work, but are a little more strict about the starting time (but not too much) - one of my reasons for leaving the previous company was due to how I felt it treated it's employees.

For my view - the power to negotiate (or shop around if one is feeling exploited) is in proportion to skills and experience of the applicant, the Skills and Experience required for the role and the ease of measuring performance.

[Banditbandit]

If it worked for him, then more power to him.
Ultimately the level of exploitation IMO comes down to the individual. Case in point - my last company, we did a lot of work afterhours (it's IT so it's par for the course) that wasn't paid, but the flip side was no one complained if I was 30-40 mins late into the office - because they knew that I was doing 40+ hours a week with all the A/Hs work.

New company pays me Time and a Half for A/H work, but are a little more strict about the starting time (but not too much) - one of my reasons for leaving the previous company was due to how I felt it treated it's employees.

For my view - the power to negotiate (or shop around if one is feeling exploited) is in proportion to skills and experience of the applicant, the Skills and Experience required for the role and the ease of measuring performance.

Aaa ... to be young and Idealistic ...

Joking ..

Seriously - yes, the power to shop around is useful .. but it's a small country with a limited job market .. and the majority of people do not have that power ...

[TheDemonLord]

Seriously - yes, the power to shop around is useful .. but it's a small country with a limited job market .. and the majority of people do not have that power ...

And this is where I must disagree - in this country we have a multitude of opportunities to upskill, train, educate etc. some are funded, others are partially funded, others have different options (student loan).

If someone doesn't wish to use these options availible - that's fine, but they shouldn't complain when they don't have that bargaining power.

[Banditbandit]

And this is where I must disagree - in this country we have a multitude of opportunities to upskill, train, educate etc. some are funded, others are partially funded, others have different options (student loan).

If someone doesn't wish to use these options availible - that's fine, but they shouldn't complain when they don't have that bargaining power.


Hmmm .. life chances dictate a lot more in life than the fact that there are opportunities ...

How does one person grow up in a state house and become prime minister while another ends up in jail as a serial rapist ...

For the serial rapeist it was too late .... they never learnt they could maker good choices ..

[Akzle]

Let's start with obvious, on account of the number of excuses you make for them.

your right I absolutely made excuses for//

wait on....

[Akzle]

I give your Mashman impression 3/10 - not enough mentions of RBEs

But yes, your Misconception - you build a scenario in which you can't resolve the factors, then point to it as proof of your theory. But your scenario deliberately leaves out the factor that allows you to unite them.

It would be like someone saying that a Motorbike can't be faster than a push bike, by deliberately ignoring that a Motorbike has an internal combustion engine powered by Petrol.

I havent built any scenario.
I either state facts or ask questions.

since you have repeatedly failed to answer even very basic questions i'll not be wasting further time with you. away, peasant.

[TheDemonLord]

I havent built any scenario.
I either state facts or ask questions.

since you have repeatedly failed to answer even very basic questions i'll not be wasting further time with you. away, peasant.

You state some facts, but deliberately omit others. The facts you omit are the ones that answer the questions you ask (but you don't like the answer).

[TheDemonLord]

Hmmm .. life chances dictate a lot more in life than the fact that there are opportunities ...

How does one person grow up in a state house and become prime minister while another ends up in jail as a serial rapist ...

For the serial rapeist it was too late .... they never learnt they could maker good choices ..

Tis true that Chances do have a part to play and there are some who got to where they are by essentially being lucky (although I dislike this as being gifted a chance is one thing, having the skills and ability to take advantage of it is another) whereas others made a success of themselves by hard work and making their own opportunities.

[Akzle]

You state some facts, but deliberately omit others. The facts you omit are the ones that answer the questions you ask (but you don't like the answer).

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1w_XuOBnUAg

[TheDemonLord]

https://youtube.com/watch?v=1w_XuOBnUAg

Then we have an impasse.

However, if it is all smoke and mirrors - you must ask why it has enabled the countries that subscribe to those theories to be so succeful?

[Banditbandit]

Tis true that Chances do have a part to play and there are some who got to where they are by essentially being lucky (although I dislike this as being gifted a chance is one thing, having the skills and ability to take advantage of it is another) whereas others made a success of themselves by hard work and making their own opportunities.

Yeah .. I don't like the concept of lucky ... some know how to make the most of their chances and some never get a chance to even know they have a chance, let alone make the most of it ..

[Banditbandit]

And back to the topic ...

This is an interesting analysis ..


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/trump-self-sabotage_b_11545026.html

[yokel]

And back to the topic ...

This is an interesting analysis ..


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/trump-self-sabotage_b_11545026.html

Haha more like the main steamer media trying their best to sabotage Trump.

What kinda Muppet reads that shit??

[Ocean1]

You reply is littered with value judgements which we don't all share.

And "workers are a resource" hmmm .. first of all workers are human beings, not just a resource for the capitalists to exploit. Exploiting human beings is called slavery ..

And yours is littered with error.

Your human, for example is many things, one of those has value quantifiable in terms of his contribution to a product.

If that offends your delicate sensibilities then I suggest you organize to make up the difference between what the market is prepared to pay for their services and whatever it is that you think they should earn.

[Ocean1]

Well, Stalin certainly thought so - kulaks all and off to the Gulags with them ...

I don't subscribe to the structuralist analysis completely.

I knew of a businessman, with a middle size business, who paid himself a weekly wage at the same rate as his highest employee - and at the end of the year divided the company profits equally between himself and his staff .... and I mean equally, not pro rata on a salary basis.


Now, he had to know business and finance because he established and ran a very successful business ... but he certainly was not an exploiter ..

He also had a very happy, hard-working and loyal staff - which also goes to explain why his business was so successful. This was back in the 1970s .. and he had no strikes. People didn't ask for overtime for an extra hour after work (he rarely asked and more often they put their hands up for it when they knew stuff needed to be done )

Excellent way to run a business.

I've done exactly that in a past life.

So, now, this dude's business, is now?

[Ocean1]

Hmmm .. life chances dictate a lot more in life than the fact that there are opportunities ...

How does one person grow up in a state house and become prime minister while another ends up in jail as a serial rapist ...

For the serial rapeist it was too late .... they never learnt they could maker good choices ..

Um, one works hard and doesn't rape people? :yes:

Or is that an opportunity not available to rapists? :third:

[Woodman]

Good luck when the revolution comes ..

Thanks, but I still think you are taking the word exploit out of context. I meant it as "use/utilise" a resource, and employees are a resource. Anyway I am nit-picking.

exploit
verb
verb: exploit; 3rd person present: exploits; past tense: exploited; past participle: exploited; gerund or present participle: exploiting
ɪkˈsplɔɪt,ɛk-/

1.
make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
"500 companies sprang up to exploit this new technology"
synonyms: utilize, make use of, put to use, use, use to good advantage, turn/put to good use, make the most of, capitalize on, benefit from, turn to account, draw on; More
profit from/by, make capital out of;
informalcash in on, milk
"platinum was originally exploited by the Indians of Colombia and Ecuador"
2.
make use of (a situation) in a way considered unfair or underhand.
"the company was exploiting a legal loophole"

[Ocean1]

Then we have an impasse.

However, if it is all smoke and mirrors - you must ask why it has enabled the countries that subscribe to those theories to be so succeful?

Yeah, that's a rather large actual turd in the virtual punch bowl, there. :laugh:

[Akzle]

Then we have an impasse.

However, if it is all smoke and mirrors - you must ask why it has enabled the countries that subscribe to those theories to be so succeful?

succeful indeed. but alas. the failure is still yours.

not quite sure what metric you class as success, either. and I dont care. you're stupid.

[TheDemonLord]

Yeah .. I don't like the concept of lucky ... some know how to make the most of their chances and some never get a chance to even know they have a chance, let alone make the most of it ..

I thought your predilection for chaos, anarchy and randomness would make you at peace with luck. I mean I agree that Luck is a fickle mistress and many who ought to have a stroke of luck and there are those that have lucky breaks who ought not to.

[TheDemonLord]

succeful indeed. but alas. the failure is still yours.

not quite sure what metric you class as success, either. and I dont care. you're stupid.

Right right, except for the part where you contradict yourself - and that's where the Gordian knot of your ideas starts to unravel itself.

On the other hand - my responses are consistent, maybe be because the theory that I subscribe to, is also consistent

[Virago]

Haha more like the main steamer media trying their best to sabotage Trump.

What kinda Muppet reads that shit??

You do. You regularly and eagerly lap up the content of MSM, when it suits your warped views.

[yokel]

You do. You regularly and eagerly lap up the content of MSM, when it suits your warped views.

Yip, at the end of the day I pick and choose what I believe or no longer choose to.

All MSM and alt articles tell a narrative with only some of the available facts.

[Woodman]

All MSM and ault articles tell a narrative with only some of the available facts.

Pretty sure that can be said about any article from any source.

[yokel]

Pretty sure that can be said about any article from any source.

The thing about the MSM is that it's pretty much always "politicly correct"

Mr Trump is an anti-globalist (well making out like he is) and therefore politicly incorrect.


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[Voltaire]

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[Brian d marge]

What of the Entrepreneur then? Is he exploiting himself?
I charge myself by the hour , being the wanton slut that I am ...made a fortune yesterday morning

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[Brian d marge]

Well, Stalin certainly thought so - kulaks all and off to the Gulags with them ...

I don't subscribe to the structuralist analysis completely.

I knew of a businessman, with a middle size business, who paid himself a weekly wage at the same rate as his highest employee - and at the end of the year divided the company profits equally between himself and his staff .... and I mean equally, not pro rata on a salary basis.


Now, he had to know business and finance because he established and ran a very successful business ... but he certainly was not an exploiter ..

He also had a very happy, hard-working and loyal staff - which also goes to explain why his business was so successful. This was back in the 1970s .. and he had no strikes. People didn't ask for overtime for an extra hour after work (he rarely asked and more often they put their hands up for it when they knew stuff needed to be done )

Excellent way to run a business.
Workers co-ops ...see Richard Woolf expanding on them
Some very successful ones around with some happy workers

Me wonders why?

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[Katman]

About sums it up.

323954

[jasonu]

About sums it up.

323954

Unfortunately so.

We are destined to have the first 'female' president.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXkSEcCwU8A
2 minutes in but the whole thing is worth a look.

[Brian d marge]

As I think I said , if ya want to win a game u buy both sides and the ref, both running mates get their money from,,same pot ...also their loyalties lie ...and if uu fund Trump knowing he is crazy ....then your girl is a shoe in ..

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[mashman]

Unfortunately so.

We are destined to have the first 'female' president.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXkSEcCwU8A
2 minutes in but the whole thing is worth a look.

Is there any substance to Hillary having health issues?

[TheDemonLord]

Is there any substance to Hillary having health issues?

She married Bill Clinton.....

[Brian d marge]

Is there any substance not in Hillary as well as having health issues?
Fixed it for u


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[Woodman]

350 million people and Trump snd hillary are the only two they can come up with

[Brian d marge]

350 million people and Trump snd hillary are the only two they can come up with
There is a third .....

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[jasonu]

Is there any substance to Hillary having health issues?

The main stream media barely mentioned it.
Of course if it was trump that had the sniffles...

[jasonu]

350 million people and Trump snd hillary are the only two they can come up with

erm 4 million people and Key and Little are the best you can do???

[jasonu]

There is a third .....

sent for a divine source

The main stream media don't say much about that either.

[Voltaire]

350 million people and Trump snd hillary are the only two they can come up with

Takes a certain sort to be in politics I think, endless committee meetings, sitting around listening to waffle, being away from home, public

meetings. Ever thought of giving it a go?

So what you end up with is people who originally thought they could help improve the world and ones who thought they could improve on their
bank balance.

Len Brown to use a local example does a lot of good work in the Community, puts in the hours.....but what will he be remembered for, yup, the Inner City Rail Loop :lol:

Politics is designed to keep Joe Average out.

[Voltaire]

erm 4 million people and Key and Little are the best you can do???

Getting close to 5 million thanks to John Quay and his open door immigration policy. Probably have a Chinese PM in 20 years and a red flag.

[Grumph]

Allegedly heard on a US talk show..."Trump's watching the olympics, he wants to see how high the Mexican pole vaulters can go"....

The tweet he's put out "You can call me Mr Brexit " Or whatever exact wording it is worries me a tad - Remember Boris is acting UK Prime Minister at present....
The world does not need those two collaborating.

[TheDemonLord]

Allegedly heard on a US talk show..."Trump's watching the olympics, he wants to see how high the Mexican pole vaulters can go"....

The tweet he's put out "You can call me Mr Brexit " Or whatever exact wording it is worries me a tad - Remember Boris is acting UK Prime Minister at present....
The world does not need those two collaborating.

Agreed, that Hairdressing industry will never be able to recover.

[Banditbandit]

Haha more like the main steamer media trying their best to sabotage Trump.

What kinda Muppet reads that shit??


Michael Moore is mainstream media? ... Ya gotta be kidding . oh wait ... you just gotta be stupid and ignorant.

[yokel]

Michael Moore is mainstream media? ... Ya gotta be kidding . oh wait ... you just gotta be stupid and ignorant.

Haha what kinda moron would pay any attention some Hollywood Muppet?
Especially on the Huffington post.

Like all the celebrities at the DNC, just fuckin lame.

[jasonu]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-says-dollar400m-to-iran-was-contingent-on-release-of-prisoners/ar-BBvMUGY?li=BBnb7Kz&ocid=EIE9HP

[Old Steve]

So you think the repatriation of the US hostages was delayed waiting for a plane with $400 million in cash to arrive? "He said that as the prisoners waited for hours at an airport to leave Iran, a senior Iranian intelligence official informed them their departure depended on the plane with the cash."

You've got to be kidding! That sort of money is exchanged as a string of zeros and ones over the ether, you don't load pallets of $100 bills into a 747 freighter and fly it anywhere. And wasn't that money always Iran's, hadn't they paid for some fighter jets they never got and the Yanks had never given them their money back?

[Virago]

There is a third ...

There is an--o--ther sky--walk--aaah.

http://www.thewrap.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Yoda_Star-Wars.jpg

[husaberg]

Whoops
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/20/us/politics/paul-manafort-resigns-donald-trump.html?_r=0


WASHINGTON (AP) — A firm run by Donald Trump's campaign chairman directly orchestrated a covert Washington lobbying operation on behalf of Ukraine's ruling political party, attempting to sway American public opinion in favor of the country's pro-Russian government, emails obtained by The Associated Press show. Paul Manafort and his deputy, Rick Gates, never disclosed their work as foreign agents as required under federal law.


#note Mr. Lewandowski, Trumps previous campaign manager was dismissed in June after he repeatedly clashed with the candidate’s children

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/6eed1ef61eb744e1aac584f8ac1f7247/trump-advisers-waged-covert-influence-campaign

Paul Manafort, installed to run Donald J. Trump’s operation after the firing of his original campaign manager, handed in his resignation on Friday. It was the latest tumult for a candidate whose standing in the polls has steadily dropped since the Republican Party’s convention in July.


“The easiest way for Trump to sidestep the whole Ukraine story is for Manafort not to be there,” said Newt Gingrich

[Voltaire]

Blah blah blah blah MSM blah blan,........... Muppet?
Especially on the Huffington post.

Like all the celebrities at the DNC, just fuckin lame.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/52/3e/c8/523ec802df8f36878ffa0d1313e7e571.jpg

http://m.memegen.com/ypoph8.jpg

[oldrider]

Hmmm - http://beforeitsnews.com/survival/2016/08/rothschild-warns-biggest-financial-experiment-in-history-about-to-unleash-consequences-unknown-2633541.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=beforeitsnews What's happening while all the attention is on the mock circus of Trump and Clinton? :scratch:

[Brian d marge]

Hmmm - http://beforeitsnews.com/survival/2016/08/rothschild-warns-biggest-financial-experiment-in-history-about-to-unleash-consequences-unknown-2633541.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=beforeitsnews What's happening while all the attention is on the mock circus of Trump and Clinton? :scratch:
Of course he is warning , he fkin engineered it

Inflate the money supply the deflate

Same as the 1930 crash ...

And when all else fails they take u to war...the fkers

And as for trumpton , both running mates get their monies from AIPAC , one from the council for foreign relations . The other from AIPAC.
So u want ur woman in power so that she can repay all her investors..ii heard it's a ten to one repayment..u give the politicians 1 dollar you make 10 later.
So u want ur skank in office ....
As I said , u get ur Bernie to draw the young ones in , then drop out ...I said that would more or less happen
Then ya build up ur second player, a loose cannon. Who I think was warned by Kissinger, to play the game.
all the while ur real choice had the nod from the get go.
If you control the media , and the money and have a plan
The world's ur plaything

I wonder who is going to kick it all off !!!
China Russia turkey Syria.... George Soros

The Li family...?

And one has to do it before they change prez otherwise prez looks bad just as he leaves office ..and that ain't good.

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[oldrider]

By deception do war - there is always someone else to blame - someone else to focus on - the perpetrators are protected by lurking among the victims! :shifty:

[Brian d marge]

By deception do war - there is always someone else to blame - someone else to focus on - the perpetrators are protected by lurking among the victims! :shifty:
Traditionally it has been Canada

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[oldrider]

The domino's are falling into line nicely secrecy is giving way to boldness perhaps mistakes will loom large and all may be revealed prematurely! :facepalm:

Not a chance - the blind who will not see are more afflicted than those that can not see - even blinder are those that fall victim to mere suggestion! :blip:(getting closer)

[bogan]

So do you blithering idiots care to make any actual predictions? Or has the '2014 share market crash' failure illustrated the difficulties of actually taking a firm stance as opposed to just having a biggoted whinge fest?

[yokel]

If it looks like Hillary can't win or steel the win ( very likely) The elections will be suspended / don't happen.

Unless Trump is the world's best shill? Then it will be business as usual.

[TheDemonLord]

If it looks like Hillary can't win or steel the win ( very likely) The elections will be suspended / don't happen.

Unless Trump is the world's best shill? Then it will be business as usual.

So - if Hillary looks to win or looks to not win - the Elections will be suspended or won't happen?!?

Great Prediction 10/10

[oldrider]

So - if Hillary looks to win or looks to not win - the Elections will be suspended or won't happen?!?

Great Prediction 10/10

Obama is always there cocked and ready on standby if required - the circus has still got a few tricks left up it's sleeve - watch this space! :corn:

[bogan]

So - if Hillary looks to win or looks to not win - the Elections will be suspended or won't happen?!?

Great Prediction 10/10

Look, we've got an addendum!


Obama is always there cocked and ready on standby if required - the circus has still got a few tricks left up it's sleeve - watch this space! :corn:

Refer to another thing and say a thing could happen.

Televangelist con-man / 23

[Brian d marge]

Obama is always there cocked and ready on standby if required - the circus has still got a few tricks left up it's sleeve - watch this space! :corn:
If Hitlary gets in I'm preparing for nuclear


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[jasonu]

If Hitlary gets in I'm preparing for nuclear


sent for a divine source

It is not if... so get your ducks in a row.

[Brian d marge]

It is not if... so get your ducks in a row.
Agreed
I watched a 1950s US government info film called duck and cover

So we should be ok ..

sent for a divine source

[husaberg]

If Hitlary gets in I'm preparing for nuclear


sent for a divine source

That makes zero sense.


in a televised town hall on MSNBC, Trump wouldn’t rule out using nuclear weapons in Europe, saying, “I’m not going to take it off the table.” This followed an interview the week before with Bloomberg Politics, where he hinted at the possibility of using nuclear weapons against the Islamic State.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-03-23/trump-lays-out-vision-for-gaining-respect-from-muslim-world

"Several months ago, a foreign policy expert on the international level went to advise Donald Trump. And three times [Trump] asked about the use of nuclear weapons.
Three times he asked at one point if we had them why can't we use them,"

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/03/trump-asks-why-us-cant-use-nukes-msnbcs-joe-scarborough-reports.html

[Brian d marge]

That makes zero sense.


http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-03-23/trump-lays-out-vision-for-gaining-respect-from-muslim-world


http://www.cnbc.com/2016/08/03/trump-asks-why-us-cant-use-nukes-msnbcs-joe-scarborough-reports.html

to you ... not to me

[husaberg]

to you ... not to me

To basically anyone rational, going on that under one president their will be nukes used,when there is no rational explanation or evidence is rather silly.
Especially if in doing so you have to ignore the other candidates propensity for making outlandish and childish tit for tat statements. Even asking senior officials how long it would take to deploy them if he so wished.

[Katman]

To basically anyone rational, going on that under one president their will be nukes used,

You forgot to quote this part of the article.....

Donald Trump asked a foreign policy expert advising him why the U.S. can't use nuclear weapons, MSNBC's Joe Scarborough said on the air Wednesday, citing an unnamed source who claimed he had spoken with the GOP presidential nominee.

But you'll just lap up that mainstream media like a good little sheep.

[yokel]

You forgot to quote this part of the article.....

Donald Trump asked a foreign policy expert advising him why the U.S. can't use nuclear weapons, MSNBC's Joe Scarborough said on the air Wednesday, citing an unnamed source who claimed he had spoken with the GOP presidential nominee.

But you'll just lap up that mainstream media like a good little sheep.

Unwitting people are easily fooled.

[Banditbandit]

Unwitting people are easily fooled.

Aren't they just ..

[yokel]

Aren't they just ..

That's right, the funny thing about fools is that they don't know or don't like to admit they've been fooled.

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[Voltaire]

Unwitting people are easily fooled.

Very true, pffft to MSM, I get all my news from Rant and Rave. :msn-wink:

[Banditbandit]

That's right, the funny thing about fools is that they don't know or don't like to admit they've been fooled.



You've taken up ironying again ... haven't you

[TheDemonLord]

Very true, pffft to MSM, I get all my news from Rant and Rave. :msn-wink:

Best place for all the news.

[Grumph]

Very true, pffft to MSM, I get all my news from Rant and Rave. :msn-wink:


Best place for all the news.

Education online demonstrably exists in NZ....

[Voltaire]

Education online demonstrably exists in NZ....

Yes, KB is a shining example of what Tim Berners- lee invented.

" a place where like minded individuals can pretend that their opinion matters":laugh:

Much like the rather quaint mission statement of the BBC...

"To enrich people's lives with programmes and services that inform, educate and entertain."

[oldrider]

Yes, KB is a shining example of what Tim Berners- lee invented.

" a place where like minded individuals can pretend that their opinion matters":laugh:

Much like the rather quaint mission statement of the BBC...

"To enrich people's lives with programmes and services that inform, educate and entertain."

You are not forgetting that you too are a member a poster and participant - there is no discount for feeling a little superior! :msn-wink:

[YellowDog]

Mr Brexit takes to the stage:

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[Brian d marge]

Tim Kaine for the next unelected prez ... Hitlary look like she is on her last legs

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

Tim Kaine for the next unelected prez ... Hitlary look like she is on her last legs

sent for a divine source

I'm sure she'll find a new leg donor.

[yokel]

Tim Kaine for the next unelected prez ... Hitlary look like she is on her last legs

sent for a divine source



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[Brian d marge]

[QUOTE=yokel;1130995606[/QUOTE]

Hahaha very good

sent for a divine source

[jasonu]

Hitlary look like she is on her last legs

sent for a divine source

Good, Fucking old cunt. I hope she drops dead.

[pritch]

There is a third .....



There are four candidates running nationally. There is Gary Johnson, a Libertarian, who has long been polling somewhere around 10% and Jill Stein, a Green, polling about 5%. Their combined 15% could make a difference if the result is close.

Other people may be standing in various states but Johnson and Stein are running nationally. I've seen very little in the media on Johnson, a former Governor(?), but Stein visited Russia at some point so Fox News like to talk about her being a Putin stooge. Though the nearest thing to an actual Putin stooge in the election is Trump.

There are now serious questions being asked as to whether Trump is actually running for election. Nothing much that he is doing makes much sense as an election campaign, it looks more and more like a publicity campaign.

He apparently spends twice as much on merchandise as he does on staff. He has very few or no staff in important areas. When he received some election funds he put the rent up on the offices his campaign uses by about 500%. A significant portion of his campaign finance goes to businesses owned by himself. He has reportedly spent about 4 million on TV ads compared to Clinton's 68 million.

The pundits think he is visiting the wrong states, he should be visiting what we would call marginal states, what they call battleground states, the ones that could go either way. Instead he is visiting states that he is likely to win. Candidates apparently don't go to safe states to get votes, they go there to get money.

The good news is there's only 80 odd days to go...

[oldrider]

The good news is there's only 80 odd days to go...

Strangely I have had a premonition that this election is going to end in sensation - have no basis for it simply a feeling that Obama might surface again somehow! :shifty:

Disregarded it because there has already been such a bloody circus thus far - still got the feeling but nothing substantive to quantify anything - watch this space!

As pritch said - only 80 days to go! :corn:

[idb]

Apart from the rugby it's the best thing on TV.

[Brian d marge]

There are four candidates running nationally. There is Gary Johnson, a Libertarian, who has long been polling somewhere around 10% and Jill Stein, a Green, polling about 5%. Their combined 15% could make a difference if the result is close.

Other people may be standing in various states but Johnson and Stein are running nationally. I've seen very little in the media on Johnson, a former Governor(?), but Stein visited Russia at some point so Fox News like to talk about her being a Putin stooge. Though the nearest thing to an actual Putin stooge in the election is Trump.

There are now serious questions being asked as to whether Trump is actually running for election. Nothing much that he is doing makes much sense as an election campaign, it looks more and more like a publicity campaign.

He apparently spends twice as much on merchandise as he does on staff. He has very few or no staff in important areas. When he received some election funds he put the rent up on the offices his campaign uses by about 500%. A significant portion of his campaign finance goes to businesses owned by himself. He has reportedly spent about 4 million on TV ads compared to Clinton's 68 million.

The pundits think he is visiting the wrong states, he should be visiting what we would call marginal states, what they call battleground states, the ones that could go either way. Instead he is visiting states that he is likely to win. Candidates apparently don't go to safe states to get votes, they go there to get money.

The good news is there's only 80 odd days to go...
I did not know about
Jill Stein .... NOTHING in the media
Even the alternative media

Probably as you said she is a ruuskie Green and most probably a sandal wearing

Hippie

Thing is as we all know ... The walking dead has been given the nod so she by hook or by crook will win
Tis what the boys want
They also wanted Britain to remain
In the EU and look what happened
As I've said if u want your chap to win , you own both sides and the referee
Trump , with pence Aipac , hitlary with kaine council on foreign relations... Rockerfella

And if one of your players has skeletons , you better make sure the other is a nutjobs

Oh and as you own all the media, make sure the Russian hippie doesn't get any airtime

And they were complaining about FIFA , match fixing ... FIFA are rank amateurs compared with the KM mafia

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[pete376403]

Good, Fucking old cunt. I hope she drops dead.
Trumps even older

[bogan]

Trumps even older

Yeh, but he's a no-hoper...

But he probably will make america great again, by ensuring the democrats win by a landslide.

[husaberg]

Trumps even older

But hes had it bloody hard.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7goA_DnGIbU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dec_Yt2yns8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQ7_bo74VMA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Op7PKNCH65A

[oldrider]

Possibilities?

JFK wanted to be president and do presidential deeds - BANG - business as usual.

Trump threatens by possibly winning and wanting to play president - BANG or some other such ploy

Hillary eventually wins but gets incapacitated sick and/or dies? - inexperienced VP? - emergency situation!

Chaotic America - Obama recalled to steady the ship - business as usual.

America gets ready to do it all again - meanwhile among the chaotic deception - business as usual.

Yes it sounds like a plot from a B grade Hollywood movie but don't forget Ronald Regan was a B grade Hollywood movie star before he became president! :rolleyes:

Never happened before? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_who_died_i n_office :facepalm:

There has been a lot of it about over time! - http://listverse.com/2014/03/27/10-little-known-planned-assassinations-of-us-presidents/

[bogan]

Possibilities?

Got any probabilities though? :laugh:

Trump getting shot for being a cunt is more probable than a vril assasination to prevent him... wait, why the fuck would the vril even want to prevent the biggest puppet we've seen in decades from gaining 'power'?

[Katman]

wait, why the fuck would the vril even want to prevent the biggest puppet we've seen in decades from gaining 'power'?

Because if they don't do something soon you'll stop believing in them?

[Brian d marge]

Possibilities?

JFK wanted to be president and do presidential deeds - BANG - business as usual.

Trump threatens by possibly winning and wanting to play president - BANG or some other such ploy

Hillary eventually wins but gets incapacitated sick and/or dies? - inexperienced VP? - emergency situation!

Chaotic America - Obama recalled to steady the ship - business as usual.

America gets ready to do it all again - meanwhile among the chaotic deception - business as usual.

Yes it sounds like a plot from a B grade Hollywood movie but don't forget Ronald Regan was a B grade Hollywood movie star before he became president! :rolleyes:

Never happened before? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States_who_died_i n_office :facepalm:

There has been a lot of it about over time! - http://listverse.com/2014/03/27/10-little-known-planned-assassinations-of-us-presidents/
Two presidents,, had a terrible headache due to their insistence in issuing debt free money

BANG

Business as usual

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[bogan]

Because if they don't do something soon you'll stop believing in them?

It's actually satire, to show how ridiculous some of the shit you fools believe actually is. The vril, the illuminati, the shadow govt, the money, the whatever group some bigoted twats thinks deserves their hatred; they're all synonymous. Especially so, in the context of that question.

[Katman]

It's actually satire,

You wouldn't know satire if it fucked you up the arse.