Sidecar Racing

[Drew]

I didn't think that rule was around anymore.. most bikes don't have a back up brake.

Agip bike has a 4 pot caliper and chunky AP master cyl running the hand brake.. Althought we took it off. Must re-fit them.. When it works it should be able to lock the front up pretty easy. Hopefully it was the brake dragging that was causing the fluid to boil and lack of pressure for the hand brake.The rule that Spyda (I think) quoted earlier in this very thread, still reads that a second system is required.

I would argue the rule to the contrary, but it suits a purpose I have in mind where the stand alone front system has an advantage for me.

We are all motivated by selfishness at the end of the day, after all.:shifty:

[Fast Eddie]

The rule that Spyda (I think) quoted earlier in this very thread, still reads that a second system is required.

Oh yea.. Can't be bothered trawling back through the thread..

I guess its not an enforced rule at the mo.

[Drew]

I guess its not an enforced rule at the mo.That is not the way to look at any race rules I'm afraid.

[Fast Eddie]

That is not the way to look at any race rules I'm afraid.

haha.. tell that to all the bikes who don't have a hand brake.. we have one already.

[Drew]

haha.. tell that to all the bikes who don't have a hand brake.. we have one already.There's an argument to be made, that if the bias adjuster cannot simply go down the path of least resistance and not actuate the other master, then it is "it's own system".

But it is still worked from the same lever, so it is not a strong argument.

[Kornholio]

Does anyone remember the year the sidecar joined the spectators coming out of the hair pin at Paeroa years ago?, wasn't a pretty sight( mind you that was due to wheelspin by the looks)

[Kickaha]

Warwick might be keen..

wheres Kick at.

Would be but doubt I can afford it


Does anyone remember the year the sidecar joined the spectators coming out of the hair pin at Paeroa years ago?, wasn't a pretty sight( mind you that was due to wheelspin by the looks)

I think something broke on it causing it to turn 90 degrees into the crowd, it's on youtube somewhere

[Kornholio]

I think something broke on it causing it to turn 90 degrees into the crowd, it's on youtube somewhere

I remember it going sideways really quickly, bugger... Me and a mate were trying to figure out what year it happened... Bit hard when you've been to all of them and been pretty well tanked by the end of the day :D

[sidecar bob]

I remember it going sideways really quickly, bugger... Me and a mate were trying to figure out what year it happened... Bit hard when you've been to all of them and been pretty well tanked by the end of the day :D

It shouldnt be hard to work out. Both the outfit that did it & the guy in the crowd that it hit will be out there racing at Paeroa. Im sure someone can fill in the blanks. Oh, the rider, Westie, in that crash will probably be spannering for Nick Cole or a Honda superbike, name avoids me at the mo.

[Kickaha]

About the 3 mintue mark is the crash, the bike leading is the bike Fast Eddie has now

http://youtu.be/_DBDHie8zRU
This is Fast eddies bike getting rear ended when it stalls on the grid a few years back

http://youtu.be/rBxVlJj-cCA

[Kornholio]

About the 3 mintue mark is the crash, the bike leading is the bike Fast Eddie has now
Holy shit, yeah that's the one(4 min mark too :p )



This is Fast eddies bike getting rear ended when it stalls on the grid a few years back

Ah yes I remember that one


...................

[Drew]

Yep, that doesn't look like the best line.

[swarfie]

Does anyone remember the year the sidecar joined the spectators coming out of the hair pin at Paeroa years ago?, wasn't a pretty sight( mind you that was due to wheelspin by the looks)

Ask me...I was there. It was Westie and the year was 1992. We came around the hairpin to see the tail end of the accident as he and Cameron Smith disappeared off to the right hand side through the fencing (made of panels from packing crates from the Toyota assembly plant in Thames). The reason for the crash was a broken steering rod from memory and he was desperately trying to steer out of it. Westie ended up head down in amongst the fairing and front wheel when he hit a corner brick wall which was the entrance to a shop. Cam ended up skittling a bystander and broke the guys leg. He was okay, although Graeme Cole and I thought Westie was dead because he wasn't moving he actually walked away unharmed apart from cuts and bruises. Robby Shorter has just rebuilt that sidecar and I'll be Safety Scrutineering it tomorrow night so he can race it again at this coming Paeroa :eek::eek: hope thats not a repeat:facepalm:

[sidecar bob]

Ask me...I was there. It was Westie and the year was 1992. We came around the hairpin to see the tail end of the accident as he and Cameron Smith disappeared off to the right hand side through the fencing (made of panels from packing crates from the Toyota assembly plant in Thames). The reason for the crash was a broken steering rod from memory and he was desperately trying to steer out of it. Westie ended up head down in amongst the fairing and front wheel when he hit a corner brick wall which was the entrance to a shop. Cam ended up skittling a bystander and broke the guys leg. He was okay, although Graeme Cole and I thought Westie was dead because he wasn't moving he actually walked away unharmed apart from cuts and bruises. Robby Shorter has just rebuilt that sidecar and I'll be Safety Scrutineering it tomorrow night so he can race it again at this coming Paeroa :eek::eek: hope thats not a repeat:facepalm:

Yep, it was Cam Smith, (otherwise known as horse) he dropped into work a few weeks back.
The guy that got nailed in the crowd was Aaron Lovell, he has just returned to sidecar racing after a long break.

[swarfie]

Yep, it was Cam Smith, (otherwise known as horse) he dropped into work a few weeks back.
The guy that got nailed in the crowd was Aaron Lovell, he has just returned to sidecar racing after a long break.

Well I'll be F.....d I didn't know it was Aaron that got nailed...the older I get the more I learn :facepalm::violin:

[scrivy]

The guy that got nailed in the crowd was Aaron Lovell, he has just returned to sidecar racing after a long break.

His leg was broken for 12 years?????
W.I.B.F!

[Drew]

Seems kiwis are good at taking out the spectators with Sidecars. Reckon the camera man is still talking about the day he met you Scrivy.

[scrivy]

Just got back home from dropping off the sidecar to Phil. I gave him this kit and said he'd be able to use it to fix it......... as the chair wasn't that bad.....
:facepalm::shit:277523

[swarfie]

Seems kiwis are good at taking out the spectators with Sidecars. Reckon the camera man is still talking about the day he met you Scrivy.

That was broken steering too wasn't it? Dangerous things these sidecars....don't know why we get a reputation for being mad bastards...it's not our fault:no::eek:

[scrivy]

Seems kiwis are good at taking out the spectators with Sidecars. Reckon the camera man is still talking about the day he met you Scrivy.

Well the soundman can't - he's dead.....:bye:

[scrivy]

Just got back home from dropping off the sidecar to Phil. I gave him this kit and said he'd be able to use it to fix it......... as the chair wasn't that bad.....
:facepalm::shit:

He didn't see the funny side of it........:eek:

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[Kornholio]

Ask me...I was there. It was Westie and the year was 1992. We came around the hairpin to see the tail end of the accident as he and Cameron Smith disappeared off to the right hand side through the fencing (made of panels from packing crates from the Toyota assembly plant in Thames). The reason for the crash was a broken steering rod from memory and he was desperately trying to steer out of it. Westie ended up head down in amongst the fairing and front wheel when he hit a corner brick wall which was the entrance to a shop. Cam ended up skittling a bystander and broke the guys leg. He was okay, although Graeme Cole and I thought Westie was dead because he wasn't moving he actually walked away unharmed apart from cuts and bruises. Robby Shorter has just rebuilt that sidecar and I'll be Safety Scrutineering it tomorrow night so he can race it again at this coming Paeroa :eek::eek: hope thats not a repeat:facepalm:

From the horses mouth so to speak... Cheers :)

[jellywrestler]

My swinger that will normally be on doesn't want to fork out for a race licence to compete in 2 rounds so need to find someone else to jump on, would prefer someone with experince as i have no idea what i'm doing haha

sounds like he's commited to the sport to me...

[Kornholio]

sounds like he's commited to the sport to me...

He may just want to 'see how Dave goes' first...

[Danger Dave]

sounds like he's commited to the sport to me...

Nah he is, we were not planing on doing these rounds but i can't wait to get out on it and see what it's like, so he will stick to our original plan and i'll try to find a fill in for these two rounds.

[nodrog]

We can take it out at the nationals for you if you want Dave? You will get a far better understanding of it watching us on it.

[roogazza]

That was broken steering too wasn't it? Dangerous things these sidecars....don't know why we get a reputation for being mad bastards...it's not our fault:no::eek:
You've been around a while swarfie. A sidecar went into the crowd at Porirua in practice,round about 1977/78.Was the second circuit they used there, more towards the industrial area. I think a child was killed. Know of that one ?
I remember it was really hosing down wet and that just topped it off, the meeting was canned.
As it happened I think I qualified pos 1 not even wanting to be there or get wet.

[swarfie]

You've been around a while swarfie. A sidecar went into the crowd at Porirua in practice,round about 1977/78.Was the second circuit they used there, more towards the industrial area. I think a child was killed. Know of that one ?
I remember it was really hosing down wet and that just topped it off, the meeting was canned.
As it happened I think I qualified pos 1 not even wanting to be there or get wet.

Sorry I can't remember that one, I started racing in 1979 so just before my time...I'm old but NOT that old Hahaha :no::bleh:

[jellywrestler]

Oh, the rider, Westie, in that crash will probably be spannering for Nick Cole or a Honda superbike, name avoids me at the mo.


westie spanners for Hayden Fitzgerald on a Sukuki actually

[scrivy]

sounds like he's commited to the sport to me...

Sounds to me like he doesn't wanna spend $200 for a licence for two meetings when he has to renew it in July?

[sidecar bob]

westie spanners for Hayden Fitzgerald on a Sukuki actually

Well thats the first sign of becoming an old cunt, all the superbikes look the same to me now, except Choppa's BMW of course.

[Danger Dave]

Sounds to me like he doesn't wanna spend $200 for a licence for two meetings when he has to renew it in July?

Spot on there Scrivy

[swarfie]

Spot on there Scrivy

Exackery..

I tried to answer your message to me Dave but my boss interrupted me and the bloody thing timed out on me, :facepalm: so not sure if the message was sent or not. Give me a ring on 027 6058538 to discuss sidecar your compliance

[jellywrestler]

sounds like he's commited to the sport to me...


He may just want to 'see how Dave goes' first...


Nah he is, we were not planing on doing these rounds but i can't wait to get out on it and see what it's like, so he will stick to our original plan and i'll try to find a fill in for these two rounds.


Sounds to me like he doesn't wanna spend $200 for a licence for two meetings when he has to renew it in July?

Don't cotton wool the Clown, $200 for two meetings at the closest track's to Te awamutu, both day trippers (that appears to be where the rider's from so basing the swinger there) wait till after july and pay for a licence and have to travel furthereer?????
a man should be itching to get on it, let Kaiser have a word with him

If he's baulking at paying this money then wait till there's a bill for tyres ferries batteries fuel entry fees etc etc .
get someone that wants to do it!

[Fast Eddie]

Fuck yea, Paeroa not far off! We should get there sat night.. whos camping up at the track/pits? is there any grass to set up a tent?

Wish we were racing :'( but watching should be good.. bringin the cameras.. wave to the cameras!!

[Danger Dave]

Don't cotton wool the Clown, $200 for two meetings at the closest track's to Te awamutu, both day trippers (that appears to be where the rider's from so basing the swinger there) wait till after july and pay for a licence and have to travel furthereer?????
a man should be itching to get on it, let Kaiser have a word with him

If he's baulking at paying this money then wait till there's a bill for tyres ferries batteries fuel entry fees etc etc .
get someone that wants to do it!


I'm nt going to get into an discussion about it but like i said these are rounds we had not planned to do which means they haven't been budgeted for, He will be on for the HAGD and the truck meeting and next season will be all go. End of discussion :bleh:

[Fast Eddie]

Don't cotton wool the Clown, $200 for two meetings at the closest track's to Te awamutu, both day trippers

yea 200 bucks for 4-6 days of track play (if you do the fridays)... tell him to get keen! You will want to have a few signings on a license if you want to do Wanganui.. might be pushing it if you miss nat rounds.. cause you only have the barry sheene then until wangas?



edit: Forgot Darren is swinging for pirate.. duh..

[Danger Dave]

Exackery..

I tried to answer your message to me Dave but my boss interrupted me and the bloody thing timed out on me, :facepalm: so not sure if the message was sent or not. Give me a ring on 027 6058538 to discuss sidecar your compliance

Thanks Neville, I got your message and i'll give you a call tonight.

[Danger Dave]

yea 200 bucks for 4-6 days of track play (if you do the fridays)... tell him to get keen! You will want to have a few signings on a license if you want to do Wanganui.. might be pushing it if you miss nat rounds.. cause you only have the barry sheene then until wangas?

failing that.. Darren Prentis on facebook.. he's always looking for a seat.

edit: I have Darrens number actually if you want it.

We'll be good to go for Wangas, i've still got my solo as well so if we need to he can race that to get the stamps.

[Fast Eddie]

Tight, oh well hopefully you find a swinger.. Gordy or Drew.. go on.. you need practice since your not racing your own.

I forgot Darrens is swinging for pirate at nat rounds.. he is looking for a seat for Paeroa though.

[Danger Dave]

Unfortunately i won't be at Paeroa as thats the weekend that i'm heading down to collect my bike.

[nodrog]

Tight, oh well hopefully you find a swinger.. Gordy or Drew.. go on.. you need practice since your not racing your own.

I forgot Darrens is swinging for pirate at nat rounds.. he is looking for a seat for Paeroa though.

We will be doing nationals, rig is finished, just got to bleed brakes and find somebody with a trailer.

[Danger Dave]

We will be doing nationals, rig is finished, just got to bleed brakes and find somebody with a trailer.

How big does the trailer need to be? i may have one you can use depending on size.

[jellywrestler]

Sounds to me like he doesn't wanna spend $200 for a licence for two meetings when he has to renew it in July?
Round five NZ Champs

Ricoh Taupo Motorsport Park are holding TWO test days for the event, one on the Thursday and on the Friday. Both are $100 per bike and garage hire for the Thursday is $25.00.
not sure whether you'll require a race license for these days out....

[Fast Eddie]

We will be doing nationals, rig is finished, just got to bleed brakes and find somebody with a trailer.

Stirts swinging?

[sidecar bob]

We'll be good to go for Wangas, i've still got my solo as well so if we need to he can race that to get the stamps.

Because riding a superbike & swinging on a sidecar are virtually one & the same thing.

[Danger Dave]

Because riding a superbike & swinging on a sidecar are virtually one & the same thing.

I know its not even remotely close and we will be doing as many test days as possable beforehand however in theory you could do 3 races at a bucket track and the stamps would count

[Drew]

I'm far from an expert now, but the first time I sat on a Sidecar was the first round of the Nationals a couple years back.

[scrivy]

I'm far from an expert now, but the first time I sat on a Sidecar was the first round of the Nationals a couple years back.

Same same........ and we came fourth...... Well, Bob had a missus at the time, so I think he had a few more than me....... she was a sharing type..... :woohoo::shutup::facepalm:

[Fast Eddie]

we came fourth...... she was a sharing type.....

lol..

w

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hate to be the one that came last.. messy

[Fast Eddie]

short bikes... 2 strokes.. push start..

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boo ya

[sidecar bob]

Same same........ and we came fourth...... Well, Bob had a missus at the time, so I think he had a few more than me....... she was a sharing type..... :woohoo::shutup::facepalm:

everyone including her thought she was my missus except me. Odd situation to find oneself in really.
The year was 1987, She was a good sport.

[scrivy]

She was a good sport.

What was the sport?? :shifty::shutup::facepalm:

[Fast Eddie]

The year was 1987, She was a good sport.

....... Dad?

[sidecar bob]

What was the sport?? :shifty::shutup::facepalm:

Poor old Scrivy, early stages of Ahlzymers setting in I fear.

[nodrog]

How big does the trailer need to be? i may have one you can use depending on size.

chur ill keep that in mind, size - well Ive seen somebody try and put one on a kea garden trailer.


Stirts swinging?

yep


everyone including her thought she was my missus except me. Odd situation to find oneself in really.
The year was 1987, She was a good sport.

was her name goldilocks and was she addicted to porridge?


What was the sport?? :shifty::shutup::facepalm:

mini putt

[jellywrestler]

We'll be good to go for Wangas, i've still got my solo as well so if we need to he can race that to get the stamps.

how heros are made, and cemeteries are filled...

[Danger Dave]

how heros are made, and cemeteries are filled...

You seem to have a bit of an issue with this that you can't let go, please explain?

[Kickaha]

You will want to have a few signings on a license if you want to do Wanganui.. might be pushing it if you miss nat rounds..
You need the same signings to do a National round Muppet

We will be doing nationals, rig is finished, just got to bleed brakes and find somebody with a trailer.
Maybe that guy Kai borrowed the trailer off will lend it to you once it's repaired

[Fast Eddie]

You need the same signings to do a National round Muppet
True true, well guess if the swinger doesnt have a license/the stamps on it at the mo he couldn't do nats anyway even if he wanted to...


Maybe that guy Kai borrowed the trailer off will lend it to you once it's repaired
was a mint trailer, towed really nicely...

[nodrog]

You need the same signings to do a National round Muppet......


True true, well guess if the swinger doesnt have a license/the stamps on it at the mo he couldn't do nats anyway even if he wanted to...........


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw9oX-kZ_9k

[Kickaha]

Yeah yeah I know, nobody checks

[sidecar bob]

You seem to have a bit of an issue with this that you can't let go, please explain?
I cant explain for Spyda, but im guessing it goes something like this.
Weve lost a few chums there over the years, & very nearly lost a few more, all good cunts without exception. I could start a list if thats not too un P.C.
It still fuckin stings a bit.
I turned my back on sidecars for a few years because I couldnt deal with it.
Im ok with someone taking themselves out now, their choice, but not taking someone else out due to their own retardedness.
You see things a bit differently after the hearse drives away.

[Danger Dave]

Weve lost a few chums there over the years, & very nearly lost a few more. I could start a list if thats not too un P.C.
It still fuckin stings a bit.
I turned my back on sidecars for a few years because I couldnt deal with it.
Im ok with someone taking themselves out now, their choice, but not taking someone else out due to their own retardedness.

That's fair.

[Drew]

You seem to have a bit of an issue with this that you can't let go, please explain?

There's a certain amount of flippancy from nearly every corner of the race paddock, I think Spyda is just asserting that he isn't happy about it.

Call him a cunt and move on...Works for me.

[Kickaha]

There's a certain amount of flippancy from nearly every corner of the race paddock, I think Spyda is just asserting that he isn't happy about it.

Call him a cunt and move on...Works for me.

I thought he was more saying "get some decent experience first", licence rules need looking at, it should be something like "three meetings in the previous 12 months in the class you're racing in"

[Drew]

I thought he was more saying "get some decent experience first", licence rules need looking at, it should be something like "three meetings in the previous 12 months in the class you're racing in"

That makes sense too.

Spyda ya cunt, what's the skinny???

[Danger Dave]

it should be something like "three meetings in the previous 12 months in the class you're racing in"

The problem with this is the only sidecar racing in the north island seems to be national races or street meetings

[sidecar bob]

I thought he was more saying "get some decent experience first", licence rules need looking at, it should be something like "three meetings in the previous 12 months in the class you're racing in"

In the UK passenger licencing is a progressive, multi level system. you cant just arrive at the TT having done two bucket meetings & a motorcross.

[Kickaha]

The problem with this is the only sidecar racing in the north island seems to be national races or street meetings

The clubs up there aren't quite as accommodating up there as they are in the South

Come down here and race, we've got better tracks anyway

[Kickaha]

In the UK passenger licencing is a progressive, multi level system. you cant just arrive at the TT having done two bucket meetings & a motorcross.

It really should be like that in every class, 3 levels before I could race Nationals in Karts, wasn't particulary hard but you were observed by a steward at each level

[Fast Eddie]

In the UK passenger licencing is a progressive, multi level system. you cant just arrive at the TT having done two bucket meetings & a motorcross.

What are the requirements to have a go at the TT actually.. think you have to have done 3 street meetings in the last 12 months and maybe some short circuits too?

google will tell me probably.. but then I have nothing to chat about on here :violin:

[scrivy]

Saw a nice kitten today.......

[scrivy]

From memory, under the ACU licence system, there was no requirement to have done any meetings prior to doing a national meeting. Am I right??
Bob and I did Puke Nationals as our first ever meeting.

[scrivy]

What are the requirements to have a go at the TT actually..

Ya gotta be fucked in the head........:shit:

[scrivy]

I thought he was more saying "get some decent experience first", licence rules need looking at, it should be something like "three meetings in the previous 12 months in the class you're racing in"

You're right Kick, the whole system is flawed. You gunna write up new remits for the AGM?
As it is, you could do 3 weekends of racing motocross, trials, buckets, and then go racing Nationals on either a sidecar (or even be a passenger) or on a superbike! Dumb!
3 meetings in 12 months is also dumb (cause Monique said it was...), as what would be better, 3 meets in 12 months - say 1 hour each meeting (3 hours in a whole year), or you spending a whole day testing, practicing without anyone else on the track?
Why can't a test/practice day suffice for experience?
And before anyone says you're not up against other people racing and gaining experience, who says others aren't at the test day also? Also, who says they're gunna be fast enough to race with other teams at National level anyway?

The biggest thing is experience in the class they are competing in.

What if a newbie brought a machine 2 months before the Nats? How could they get 3 meets under their belt?
Doing a full test day, then being inspected by a steward and experienced racer on their first practice on the friday before a National meeting would be ok?

[Grumph]

You're right Kick, the whole system is flawed. You gunna write up new remits for the AGM?
As it is, you could do 3 weekends of racing motocross, trials, buckets, and then go racing Nationals on either a sidecar (or even be a passenger) or on a superbike! Dumb!
3 meetings in 12 months is also dumb (cause Monique said it was...), as what would be better, 3 meets in 12 months - say 1 hour each meeting (3 hours in a whole year), or you spending a whole day testing, practicing without anyone else on the track?
Why can't a test/practice day suffice for experience?
And before anyone says you're not up against other people racing and gaining experience, who says others aren't at the test day also? Also, who says they're gunna be fast enough to race with other teams at National level anyway?

The biggest thing is experience in the class they are competing in.

What if a newbie brought a machine 2 months before the Nats? How could they get 3 meets under their belt? Doing a full test day, then maybe being inspected by a steward/experienced racer on their first practice on the friday before a National meeting would be ok?

Yeah, chairs are a problem as far as experience goes...in the NI at present. My first race meeting was NZ airfield champs ie, Lady Wigram Trophy against Ron Grant, Perry, Discombe etc, etc...you could do it then.
The "test day" "ride day" culture now is producing a heap of guys and girls too who won't go one step further and get a comp licence and actually come dancing...
I think chairs may have a case for observed riding at a test day to count toward licence. Solos on the other hand I'd say no...When the ride day guys do rarely turn out at a race meeting they have time management problems - Never on the grid on time. Also without exception they've never read the rulebook...Rant over.

[scrivy]

I think chairs may have a case for observed riding at a test day to count toward licence.

Wasn't a rant at all. All makes sense. And I think is a better way to go IMO. Just as we have technical inspectors, why can't we have license observers?
If someone rides like shit, it aint gunna happen. Period.
Also, 1 whole day of testing for a passenger is far better than 3 hours in a year...... So why couldn't passengers race at National level after 1 track day?
Afterall, passengers aren't controlling the positioning of the chair on the track. And if they can do a whole test day, then they can do a 10 lap race!

[Fast Eddie]

Ya gotta be fucked in the head........:shit:

yea I am.. and keen as fuuck


Wasn't a rant at all. All makes sense. And I think is a better way to go IMO. Just as we have technical inspectors, why can't we have license observers?
If someone rides like shit, it aint gunna happen. Period.
Also, 1 whole day of testing for a passenger is far better than 3 hours in a year...... So why couldn't passengers race at National level after 1 track day?
Afterall, passengers aren't controlling the positioning of the chair on the track. And if they can do a whole test day, then they can do a 10 lap race!

yip good points. Phil and I did at least one decent test day, maybe even 2 before our first race outing (Can't remember).. which was just a wee 3 sidecar club meet in the rain. the 2nd meeting was wet as well, and then 2 rounds of puna and then hampers and wangas. I think it was the perfect way to ease into it. and then nats and here we are now

[Kickaha]

passengers aren't controlling the positioning of the chair on the track.
I know a rider who went off at T1 at Ruapuna after they made a similar comment and the swinger decided to show them how wrong they were

No actually Scrivy you're dead right, which means when you ran off the track at the hairpin at HD it was totally your fuck up

[scrivy]

I know a rider who went off at T1 at Ruapuna after they made a similar comment and the swinger decided to show them how wrong they were

I obviously know they help the machine get around, but I was referring to actual placement on the track - they don't decide which line to take. ie. safely going up the inside into a corner, or going around the outside without hitting the passed rig..... the passenger is there for the ride.... doesn't matter if he's done 25 years, or 25 minutes, he doesn't control the positioning, so exactly what experience does he/she need?? Other than sheer guts and strength? 1 test day is better than 3 stamps for a passenger in IMO....

[Kickaha]

I obviously know they help the machine get around, but I was referring to actual placement on the track - they don't decide which line to take. ie. safely going up the inside into a corner, or going around the outside without hitting the passed rig.....

You really think you can do either of those things and put that outfit where you want it without them being in the right place at the right time? :facepalm:

The swinger can alter your line and placement on the track anytime they "decide" just most of time it's in their best interest not to

[nodrog]

Kick is correct, hence why i have taken the handle bars off my rig.

[sidecar bob]

The swinger test should be a lap with Scrivy, observed by kick, Ritchie & me as judges.
You would also be graded on that Aussie term, "hover"

[nodrog]

The swinger test should be a lap with Scrivy, observed by kick, Ritchie & me as judges.
You would also be graded on that Aussie term, "hover"

Hoover? Thats not fair, your wife will win!

[Fast Eddie]

40 seconds in, right hand chair in amongst it! good way to kill an hour at work..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_ex4KNRTIIg

[sidecar bob]

I obviously know they help the machine get around, but I was referring to actual placement on the track - they don't decide which line to take. ie. safely going up the inside into a corner, or going around the outside without hitting the passed rig..... the passenger is there for the ride.... doesn't matter if he's done 25 years, or 25 minutes, he doesn't control the positioning, so exactly what experience does he/she need?? Other than sheer guts and strength? 1 test day is better than 3 stamps for a passenger in IMO....

Then its three laps for you at the have a go day, with Johhny Blaymyres riding Gordys outfit if its so easy.

[scrivy]

Then its three laps for you at the have a go day, with Johhny Blaymyres riding Gordys outfit if its so easy.

Oh FFS, the worlds full of munters..... :facepalm:

I said the passengers dont get to take the lines on the track (passing lines etc...) so they dont need the experience a rider needs....
They also don't get to decide where the machines gunna brake, or what line out of a corner the machine will be in and at which point the noisey stick will come on.....

I KNOW THEY KEEP IT ON 3 WHEELS..... BUT NOT AT A CERTAIN POINT ON A TRACK.....
FFS!! :brick:

I'd rather take Kick out at the HAG day on Gordys rig, and see if he can make me take a certain line.......! :devil2:

[nodrog]

Then its three laps for you at the have a go day, with Johhny Blaymyres riding Gordys outfit if its so easy.

Fuck that, put him on with Kai.

[nodrog]

And whats with everybody offering up my ride, its not that good.

[scrivy]

And whats with everybody offering up my ride, its not that good.

I think what they're saying is that anyone else will be faster on it......:shutup::facepalm::love:

[nodrog]

I think what they're saying is that anyone else will be faster on it......:shutup::facepalm::love:

Well i am pretty useless, thats why i lost my sponsored ride.

[scrivy]

Well i am pretty useless, thats why i lost my sponsored ride.

I'll sponsor you. $20 to show up. Appearance money.....

[nodrog]

I'll sponsor you. $20 to show up. Appearance money.....

I'll say yes, bit Kai will be along in a minute to say he' ll do it for $15.

[scrivy]

I'll say yes, bit Kai will be along in a minute to say he' ll do it for $15.

I'll get more bang for my buck with Kai......:shutup::facepalm::laugh:

[Fast Eddie]

I'll do it for free..

god damn I love racing..

Darren recons he's asking around to find a bike for me at Paeroa.. don't like my chances though but meh - can dream!

Apparently the short bike of lawrances was sold.. wonder who bought it? could be a fella named Tyrone I think asked me about it on facebook.. could be him..
anyway - another team on the grid! :Punk:

[swarfie]

I'll get more bang for my buck with Kai......:shutup::facepalm::laugh:

F.F.S. Scrivy...S H U T U P ...You're digging yourself into a hole you'll NEVER get out of :laugh::laugh::laugh::facepalm::facepalm::shifty:: laugh::shit:

[Fast Eddie]

F.F.S. Scrivy...S H U T U P ...You're digging yourself into a hole you'll NEVER get out of :laugh::laugh::laugh::facepalm::facepalm::shifty:: laugh::shit:

affectionatly known as..

the 'K-Hole'

[nodrog]

Asking Scrivy to shut up is like a sidecar racer asking to borrow another trailer, it will never happen.

[Fast Eddie]

.. is like a sidecar racer asking to borrow another trailer, it will never happen.

haha.. did I fuck that one up for everyone?

oops..

[Danger Dave]

I'll do it for free..

Apparently the short bike of lawrances was sold.. wonder who bought it? could be a fella named Tyrone I think asked me about it on facebook.. could be him..
anyway - another team on the grid! :Punk:

I was speaking with Chris at the Bucket track on sunday and he said he was selling it to the same guys that rode it at Wanganui

[Fast Eddie]

I was speaking with Chris at the Bucket track on sunday and he said he was selling it to the same guys that rode it at Wanganui

choice, yea that'll be the fella that hit me up on facebook.

good shit!

[Pumba]

I was speaking with Chris at the Bucket track on sunday and he said he was selling it to the same guys that rode it at Wanganui

Will be Brian and Kamil then. That should be interesting.

[scrivy]

affectionatly known as..

the 'K-Hole'

Did someone say glory hole????:woohoo::shit:

[scrivy]

Asking Scrivy to shut up is like a sidecar racer asking to borrow another trailer, it will never happen.

Well there goes your sponsorship ya ungrateful git.........

[Kickaha]

Darren recons he's asking around to find a bike for me at Paeroa.. don't like my chances though but meh - can dream!
Spend the money sorting your own bike out instead of trying to wear out and fuck someone elses

After Scrivys previous comments I think he went past the "Bro, Monique thinks your dumb" to a whole new level of retardness, maybe when some acts that dumb in the future we should tell them to "stop being a Scrivy"


They also don't get to decide where the machines gunna brake NO but I can sure as hell affect how hard it brakes or how stable under brakes it is

or what line out of a corner the machine will be in Well suppose you were coming around the sweeper at Ruapuna and Bob was bored shitless and decided to hop off the back because it's close the clubhouse and by the time he stopped sliding he'd only have to hop over the wall and be able to get himself a beer, pretty sure he would have decided what line you'd be taking by doing that

and at which point the noisey stick will come on.They can certainly affect how you accelerate when you turn it on though

[Drew]

Fuck that, put him on with Kai.

You think he'll be tired and need a nap?

[Fast Eddie]

Spend the money sorting your own bike out instead of trying to wear out and fuck someone elses

we are gonna be up there anyway to watch.. if theres a bike to race I'll race it!

will sort agip bike

[sidecar bob]

I rekon too much shit is talked, mainly by long bike passengers about how much effect they have on the outfit.
Yep, I can make Pinky & the BMW run wide exiting a R/H corner if im a lazy fuck, but other than that, most of it is a load of arse.
As far as the 'busa goes, if im there at the end, mission accomplished, & theres only one time I wasnt, & that was deliberate.

[Drew]

Hahahaha, bet Scrivy couldn't go as fast with me 'not falling off', as with you doing it.

[Kickaha]

Real race engines, a right hand outfit and no shortys, what more could you want

http://youtu.be/_ex4KNRTIIg

[Fast Eddie]

yea posted that link earlier, was watching it at work.

mint clip, good racing.

the outfit with the righthand chair.. in amongst it, goes well

the crowd in that clip is awesome haha

[Kickaha]

yea posted that link earlier,
Shows how much attention I pay to anything you put up then

[Fast Eddie]

Shows how much attention I pay to anything you put up then

haha selective reading.. you only look for the negatives

[scrivy]

Hahahaha, bet Scrivy couldn't go as fast with me 'not falling off', as with you doing it.
I distinctly remember us keepung the same line around the right hander at taupo even though you were on the left hand side of the machine. Long bike passengers are poofters. .... Hover my arse!!

[Drew]

I distinctly remember us keepung the same line around the right hander at taupo even though you were on the left hand side of the machine. Long bike passengers are poofters. .... Hover my arse!!

I'll have you know, that other than the time I was trying to fall over the top of the radiator, I was being dragged directly behind the thing on that right hand bend.

So not on the left, or the right really.

[scrivy]

I'll have you know, that other than the time I was trying to fall over the top of the radiator, I was being dragged directly behind the thing on that right hand bend.

So not on the left, or the right really.

You stayed on..... Legend!! kick wouldve tried to hover it and come off.....

[Drew]

You stayed on..... Legend!! kick wouldve tried to hover it and come off.....As much as beer you would have had to sponsor was appealing, fuck if I was gonna fall off the first time I ever swung on a Sidecar.

We got some hover through the sweaper and hairpin I think.

[scrivy]

As much as beer you would have had to sponsor was appealing, fuck if I was gonna fall off the first time I ever swung on a Sidecar.

We got some hover through the sweaper and hairpin I think.

Well we had the rear wheel off the ground around the right hander.......

[Drew]

Well we had the rear wheel off the ground around the right hander.......

Oh that counts twice or the judges need an arsenal tucking!

Funny thing, that was the second time in my racing career I've been worried about the bike I was on, running me over.

[scrivy]

As much as beer you would have had to sponsor was appealing, fuck if I was gonna fall off the first time I ever swung on a Sidecar.

We got some hover through the sweaper and hairpin I think.

That wasn't hover we got Drew - it's called chair lift or two pointing...... it's what short bikes do, as opposed to "Hover" done by stupidly expensive long machines.... when they get 2 inches off the ground.......:yes:

See, the first time you ever swung on a chair............... did you have 3 stamps??? From memory, we also won the "Demonstration Race"....
I'll say it again... LEGEND!

Did your dragging behind it make me alter my lines?? Did we veer off the track because of it?? Did the two pointing ('cause your skinnier than Bob - just) make me change my lines?? Did I brake earlier than I would have with Bob??
I think Kick is spanking his monkey too much watching the gay long bikes over in europe.....

I'd love Kick to swing for me for 3 laps and try his most unco-ness to make me go off the track..... (and no Kick, I'm not talking being on the right of it around a leftie either...)
You read too much into swinging kick. You don't need to be Arnold Swarkopfeneggermonkeyspanker either. Good strong wrists and a total understanding of what/where/how we are doing is a vital key, as is anticipation of an impending manuevour. Relaxing too, is just as important as 100% dedicated concentration.
I look at alot of passengers out there, and they are simply over-swinging.
FFS.... I mean, look at Bob, how more relaxed can you get? He even does laps two armed waving...... (cause he hangs on with his arse muscles....)

Errrr.... Bob, just how did you get such good arse muscles???

:confused:

[Fast Eddie]

I think Kick is spanking his monkey too much watching the gay long bikes over in europe.....


easy for someone who doesn't swing to rant on about how little they do!

if you keep going on about how swingers don't affect the bike then how are we possibly going to blame them for any crash or mishap?? think ahead scrivy, god damn it

[Fast Eddie]

beginners guide haha..

good to see he's using car parts to build em, half axles and hubs off hondas and toyotas

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his f2 had seperate front and rear brakes like a solo.. dunno which I'd prefer... single pedal with a bias adjuster or just do your own bias on the fly.

also his brake setup.. recon'd 60% rear

pretty basic interview though, old Leno

[nodrog]

Who wants a root?

[Fast Eddie]

Who wants a root?

already had one today.. might go home at lunch for another..

[scrivy]

easy for someone who doesn't swing to rant on about how little they do!
if you keep going on about how swingers don't affect the bike then how are we possibly going to blame them for any crash or mishap?? think ahead scrivy, god damn it

Nah, you're missing my point too bro......
I'm not saying they're Dr Do-little.... I'm saying they do work their butts off, and it's evident with the sweat pissing off them after a race, BUT....
They do not make me change my lines - they just make it harder for me to hold the line I want.

This whole swinger/licence/stamps thing is about how much experience a passenger needs before they can do National races.
I totally disagree with the current licensing system as it stands.
Drew swung on his first attempt on my chair at 98% race pace - he was dragged ('cause I tried to drag him) but he never fell off and never made me change my lines. I wanted to scare him - and I think I did.... maybe??
Using Kick as an example (not because I want to pick on Kick at all... :shutup:), I know I could flick him off within 2 laps if I tried.
I wouldn't finish the race, but I could make my point. That is, Kick has years and years of racing under his belt (along with years and years of pies...), and he would still be subjected to falling off and being injured even though he is an experienced passenger.
Geling as a team, and learning the riders technique is far more important for a passenger than going round and round doing the same things over and over without understanding what he is doing.

And hey, when you do crash, you still get to blame the passenger - cause everybody thinks they steer the rig anyway.....!!:woohoo:

[scrivy]

already had one today.. might go home at lunch for another..

He said a root, not a wank......

[nodrog]

already had one today.. might go home at lunch for another..

I hope you shower first, or does Ella have a Worsel Gummidge fetish?

[Fast Eddie]

I hope you shower first, or does Ella have a Worsel Gummidge fetish?

Nah gotta wait til Barry Sheene 2013 so scrivy can gimme more shower money..

.. I'm not going to google that fetish cause I google enough dodgy shit at work already

[scrivy]

I hope you shower first, or does Ella have a Worsel Gummidge fetish?

Mmmmm......... cheese toasted sandwiches............277722

[Fast Eddie]

Nah, you're missing my point too bro......
I'm not saying they're Dr Do-little.... I'm saying they do work their butts off, and it's evident with the sweat pissing off them after a race, BUT....
They do not make me change my lines - they just make it harder for me to hold the line I want.


all good, that is true.

hard getting around a corner when the cunts asleep too

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[scrivy]

all good, that is true.

hard getting around a corner when the cunts asleep too

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Is that Bob on your rig?? Lol!

[Fast Eddie]

Mmmmm......... cheese toasted sandwiches............277722

arg.. definitely not going home at lunch now. thanks scrivy

[scrivy]

arg.. definitely not going home at lunch now. thanks scrivy

I love cheese..........:love:

[scrivy]

Anyway.............

MNZ rules:
5.2.5 One Event Licences:
One Event Licences can be issued to competitors at Club Events. These licences cannot be used at the following events; New Zealand or Island Championships, Street Racing.

5.2.9 A sidecar combination competing in any competition other than Record attempts must carry a passenger. Passengers are deemed to be competitors and must have the appropriate current licence.

22.8.15 Before competing in a Street Race or National Points Road Race meeting in any Championship class, a rider must have competed in at least three lower road race circuit events. Proof of this shall be from entries in the riders log book. Only senior licence holders may compete on street circuits.


So rule 5.2.9 Passengers are deemed to be competitors (but they are not defined as a rider), so they need a current licence. BUT, rule 22.8.15 says a rider must have competed in at least 3 lower road race events........ It doesn't state a passenger must.
:woohoo::woohoo:

[Fast Eddie]

Anyway.............

MNZ rules:...

So rule 5.2.9 Passengers are deemed to be competitors (but they are not defined as a rider), so they need a current licence. BUT, rule 22.8.15 says a rider must have competed in at least 3 lower road race events........ It doesn't state a passenger must.
:woohoo::woohoo:

haha... blur those lines.

mmm mangos

[scrivy]

haha... blur those lines.

mmm mangos

Just had this for lunch............

Was embarassed eating it on the table at Maccas......

[Fast Eddie]

Just had this for lunch............

Was embarassed eating it on the table at Maccas......

bahahha, I didn't think maccas let you byo meat..

looks pretty tasty though

[sidecar bob]

Nah, you're missing my point too bro......
I'm not saying they're Dr Do-little.... I'm saying they do work their butts off, and it's evident with the sweat pissing off them after a race, BUT....
They do not make me change my lines - they just make it harder for me to hold the line I want.

This whole swinger/licence/stamps thing is about how much experience a passenger needs before they can do National races.
I totally disagree with the current licensing system as it stands.
Drew swung on his first attempt on my chair at 98% race pace - he was dragged ('cause I tried to drag him) but he never fell off and never made me change my lines. I wanted to scare him - and I think I did.... maybe??
Using Kick as an example (not because I want to pick on Kick at all... :shutup:), I know I could flick him off within 2 laps if I tried.
I wouldn't finish the race, but I could make my point. That is, Kick has years and years of racing under his belt (along with years and years of pies...), and he would still be subjected to falling off and being injured even though he is an experienced passenger.
Geling as a team, and learning the riders technique is far more important for a passenger than going round and round doing the same things over and over without understanding what he is doing.

And hey, when you do crash, you still get to blame the passenger - cause everybody thinks they steer the rig anyway.....!!:woohoo:

I like kittens.

[scrivy]

I like kittens.

See that's why Bob and I gel as a team..... 'cause we both like kittens............

[Fast Eddie]

Don't forget to watch some footage from Wanganui Street races

TV3, Sunday, 3pm

hope sidecars get a decent slot!

I shouldn't have deleted last years footage I had on mysky.. was pete the pirate going into a barrier and some good racing. Anyone got a copy online anywhere?

[scrivy]

Don't forget to watch some footage from Wanganui Street races

TV3, Sunday, 3pm

hope sidecars get a decent slot!

I shouldn't have deleted last years footage I had on mysky.. was pete the pirate going into a barrier and some good racing. Anyone got a copy online anywhere?

So excited, I can't contain myself..............:shutup::facepalm:

[Stirts]

See that's why Bob and I gel as a team..... 'cause we both like kittens............

You spit roast kittens? :shit:

[scrivy]

You spit roast kittens? :shit:

Gordy, you hijacked Stirts KB login again????

[Fast Eddie]

So excited, I can't contain myself..
har har! hopefully they got decent footage of that and show it!


You spit roast kittens? :shit:
mmm hmmm, didn't you see his earlier post? he has pussy meat for lunch!


Just had this for lunch............

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meow

[Stirts]

Gordy, you hijacked Stirts

Well that's a given...he is taller than me. As long as it doesn't get in my hair it's ok.


he has pussy meat for lunch!

Pussy meat? but if you scratch and sniff, it smells like fish. :scratch:

[Fast Eddie]

but if you scratch and sniff, it smells like fish. :scratch:

fish and pussys just go hand and hand

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[sidecar bob]

Don't forget to watch some footage from Wanganui Street races

TV3, Sunday, 3pm

hope sidecars get a decent slot!

I shouldn't have deleted last years footage I had on mysky.. was pete the pirate going into a barrier and some good racing. Anyone got a copy online anywhere?

U Tube "Pirate Wanganui"

[nodrog]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1_NpLKnWLU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

[scrivy]

Pussy meat? but if you scratch and sniff, it smells like fish. :scratch:

Gordy always complains about it to be honest.....

[Kickaha]

I look at alot of passengers out there, and they are simply over-swinging.
Classic example of that was Levels Nationals in the rain, Astrid was just about the only person doing it right on the corners I was watching

Using Kick as an example (not because I want to pick on Kick at all... :shutup:), I know I could flick him off within 2 laps if I tried.
You could do that to anyone though, any rider could

See that's why Bob and I gel as a team..... 'cause we both like kittens............
Bobs cat likes me more than him though

[scrivy]

Bobs cat likes me more than him though

Not now. Ever since Tracey moved in, the stray pussy has disappeared...........:yes:


er.... not meant to be as it sounded...... you know what I mean...............:shutup:

The cat has disappeared....... that's better......... :woohoo:

[sidecar bob]

Bobs cat likes me more than him though

My cat buggered off to live back at the old house, clearly the new house was substandard.
Just a heads up, im swinging for Jay on a loaned outfit at the Hampton Downs national round.
Im not sure who's it is, as Jay has tee'd it up himself with some guy he knows.

[Kickaha]

I'll see you up there at HD on the Sunday, cheap tickets so I'm flying up for the day :woohoo:

[Fast Eddie]

Just a heads up, im swinging for Jay on a loaned outfit at the Hampton Downs national round.
Im not sure who's it is, as Jay has tee'd it up himself with some guy he knows.

oo too much suspense.. long bike or short bike?

we know you know..

[Drew]

My cat buggered off to live back at the old house, clearly the new house was substandard.
Just a heads up, im swinging for Jay on a loaned outfit at the Hampton Downs national round.
Im not sure who's it is, as Jay has tee'd it up himself with some guy he knows.

Hmmm, he works with Danger Dave ya know. I expect to see a Windle on the grid at Hampton.

You lucky bastards!

[Danger Dave]

Hmmm, he works with Danger Dave ya know. I expect to see a Windle on the grid at Hampton.

You lucky bastards!

You will see a windle on the grid but i'll be riding, Jay has another rig lined up

[Drew]

Hmmm. The plot thickets.

[scrivy]

Hmmm. The plot thickets.

Annans LCR?

[Kickaha]

Annans LCR?

Yeah I can just see Bob on a long bike :killingme

[scrivy]

Yeah I can just see Bob on a long bike :killingme

Ummmm......... he did do Wangas 2 years ago on Chris Lawrances rig............

BUT, if it is a long bike at Humpsters, then feel free to take the piss!!!:woohoo:

[Kickaha]

Ummmm......... he did do Wangas 2 years ago on Chris Lawrances rig.........
Yeah I saw the video of Chris driving Miss Daisy doing nana laps

[Drew]

Annans LCR?Crossed my inhibited little mind too.


Yeah I can just see Bob on a long bike :killingme

Steve has less issue with girls chairs than Scrivy.

[sidecar bob]

oo too much suspense.. long bike or short bike?

we know you know..

Yeah Ok you got me. We are bolting a chair onto the GSX1100 '82 bike so it looks like a pre '63 sitter & going to try to out do Will in the sideways stakes.
Weve borrowed the wheel off the neighbours 'barrow, & cut up an old gate, so were sweet as, & on a buget too!!
actually, thats a cracking idea!!!

[sidecar bob]

You will see a windle on the grid but i'll be riding, Jay has another rig lined up

Good attempted save there mate, but the horse has kinda bolted now hasnt it.
Go the mighty Windle!!

[scrivy]

I reckon you're taking Gordys out. He's too scared of it to race it..........:shutup::yes:

[sidecar bob]

I reckon you're taking Gordys out. He's too scared of it to race it..........:shutup::yes:

Well yes. I am off out now to get the brakes sorted on it.

[Fast Eddie]

soooo, your taking the short windle out? :D

[sidecar bob]

soooo, your taking the short windle out? :D

No, thats Dave's, he will be on that.

[scrivy]

No, thats Dave's, he will be on that.

Soooo its true, you're repowering the BMW with a GSXR1000?!

[Drew]

Soooo its true, you're repowering the BMW with a GSXR1000?!

Ooooh, that'd be fun.

[scrivy]

Ooooh, that'd be fun.

I bags riding it!!!

[Drew]

I bags riding it!!!

It's only fair we take turns and see who can chuck the other one off first.

Or we chuck Warwick on the side and see who can hurt him worse.

[scrivy]

It's only fair we take turns and see who can chuck the other one off first.

Or we chuck Warwick on the side and see who can hurt him worse.

Ah yes!! There's nothing like a sacrificial Warwick!!! Every team should have one!:laugh::love:

[Fast Eddie]

shortys

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10char

[JayRacer37]

You will see a windle on the grid but i'll be riding, Jay has another rig lined up

Dave, it's OK mate, we can share?


Annans LCR?

I wish. I couldn't afford to ferry it here or keep it properly in CRC and rags.


Yeah Ok you got me. We are bolting a chair onto the GSX1100 '82 bike so it looks like a pre '63 sitter & going to try to out do Will in the sideways stakes.
Weve borrowed the wheel off the neighbours 'barrow, & cut up an old gate, so were sweet as, & on a buget too!!
actually, thats a cracking idea!!!

Training wheel on the R/H cases and a pair of pillion pegs for you as the passenger, we could win it! The 3rd wheel would be on the ground as often as it is with you and Scrivy on the 'Busa (and more often than now after Wanga's)


Well yes. I am off out now to get the brakes sorted on it.

Don't, it will only slow us down!


Soooo its true, you're repowering the BMW with a GSXR1000?!

Minus an R and plus a 1, and you could be onto something.

[scrivy]

Minus an R and plus a 1, and you could be onto something.

Eh??!! GSXR1000-12+2(1)2-0 = GSX1100 ??

Sumpn like that???

Theory of relatively stuff all............

[sidecar bob]

Bit of stress in the household today, trying to work out how to fix a sidecar that isint broken, with regard to the brake rule, which appears to be a bit of a moving goal post at the moment.
We have a factory built outfit with an extremely fine pedigree, that im not about to rip into modifying & probably effectively making it worse, in a rush, two weeks out from a meeting.
I wonder if anyone else is having the same problem?

[Fast Eddie]

Bit of stress in the household today, trying to work out how to fix a sidecar that isint broken, with regard to the brake rule, which appears to be a bit of a moving goal post at the moment.
We have a facrory built outfit with an extremely fine pedigree, that im not about to rip into modifying & probably effectively making it worse, in a rush, two weeks out from a meeting.
I wonder if anyone else is having the same problem?

if it's good enough to run and win the isle of man, it's good enough for here...

we haven't looked at agip bike, nor want mnz or whatever wants us to do to our brakes. We have a second seperate handbrake.. and our bias setup (I'm fairly sure) allows one cyl to be operated if the other is removed..

[Fast Eddie]

Eh??!! GSXR1000-12+2(1)2-0 = GSX1100 ??

1+1=69

kiss... keep it simple stupid

[nodrog]

I like biscuits

[scrivy]

1+1=69

kiss... keep it simple stupid

No, plus 1, minus 0.

[Kickaha]

if it's good enough to run and win the isle of man, it's good enough for here...
A few years ago they were trying to tell us how LCR had put part of the front suspension together wasn't good enough

we haven't looked at agip bike, nor want mnz or whatever wants us to do to our brakes. We have a second seperate handbrake.. and our bias setup (I'm fairly sure) allows one cyl to be operated if the other is removed..
Your handbrake didn't operate though :lol:

As far as I am aware there has been no rule change as a result of the "container" incident so as long as the bike complies properly with the current rule it should be sweet, but I guess it comes down to how that rule is interpreted

[Kickaha]

I like biscuits

soggy biscuits?

[Fast Eddie]

A few years ago they were trying to tell us how LCR had put part of the front suspension together wasn't good enough
hehe.. good enough for FIM!


Your handbrake didn't operate though :lol:
was gonna gloss over that..
Should work after caliper refresh and if nothing is dragging. Must have just been cooking it


As far as I am aware there has been no rule change as a result of the "container" incident so as long as the bike complies properly with the current rule it should be sweet, but I guess it comes down to how that rule is interpreted
choice, yea guess its more of a message for everyone to check their setup actually works. Where if one cyl is out of action the other one still works.

Wanganui Races on TV soon

[sidecar bob]

A few years ago they were trying to tell us how LCR had put part of the front suspension together wasn't good enough

Your handbrake didn't operate though :lol:

As far as I am aware there has been no rule change as a result of the "container" incident so as long as the bike complies properly with the current rule it should be sweet, but I guess it comes down to how that rule is interpreted

All LCR's fail the ground clearance check too, as their rear suspension upright is too close.
If we have to fuck about with our brakes as a result of the "CONTAINER INCIDENT" Id like to see the organisers take an equally hard look at themselves regarding protecting competitors from said containers.

[nodrog]

soggy biscuits?

yes my little mellow puff!

[Kickaha]

All LCR's fail the ground clearance check too, as their rear suspension upright is too close.
I'll have to measure that up some time, unlike the chassis the clearance under the upright wont change regardless of the up and down movement of the suspension, I daresay if anyway looked hard enough they could find a way to knock out out any bike at scrutineering

[Fast Eddie]

gay they showed the wrong race on TV..

wanted the scrivy race.. I also did better in the scrivy race lol.

my bike looked like it was bunny hopping or something off the start line.. think it was lifting the front up a bit

[scrivy]

I'll have to measure that up some time, unlike the chassis the clearance under the upright wont change regardless of the up and down movement of the suspension, I daresay if anyway looked hard enough they could find a way to knock out out any bike at scrutineering

But if you look at when Des went bush at Wangas on tv, he could have hit the rear shock mount, and going into the next corner.....................
They are all below the 65mm clearance.

Saying that, how many sidecars have their tyres covered to deck height??

There's alot of machines that don't comply in certain ways now.

Considering the incident where 'Blue' had her leg caught in the rear tyre, the rule was to stop injuries like that. But how many have slipped back to being unsafe.....?

[scrivy]

gay they showed the wrong race on TV..

wanted the scrivy race.. I also did better in the scrivy race lol.

my bike looked like it was bunny hopping or something off the start line.. think it was lifting the front up a bit

It doesn't have that much HP!!

[scrivy]

Glad I wasn't at Wanganui this year, looks too scary for me.................

[scrivy]

yes my little mellow puff!

You know what my favourite biscuit is???

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Chur!

[Kickaha]

But if you look at when Des went bush at Wangas on tv, he could have hit the rear shock mount, and going into the next corner.....................
They are all below the 65mm clearance..
Possible but as the bottom shock mount moves upwards with the wheel, I guess if you ended up straddling something it could

Saying that, how many sidecars have their tyres covered to deck height?? Not many and I know it's in the rules but unless you're going out around the wheel like on some shortys it isn't really neccesary

Glad I wasn't at Wanganui this year, looks too scary for me.................
Yeah apparently someone crashed into a container, those moderns look to fast for that circuit,should be classics only

[scrivy]

Possible but as the bottom shock mount moves upwards with the wheel, I guess if you ended up straddling something it could
Which was my point about Des going bush - he could have smashed it on the kerb....


Not many and I know it's in the rules but unless you're going out around the wheel like on some shortys it isn't really neccesary
Hate to disagree with ya ('cause I usually don't....) BUT..... what if I'm passing a long bike around the outside on a right hander, Bobs hanging off the right hand side of it, and hey presto!! Bobs right hand and elbow disappear into the side wheel that isnt covered!
Wonder what damage that would do to Bob? It certainly would flick him off into the path of another rig behind us!

Yeah apparently someone crashed into a container, those moderns look to fast for that circuit,should be classics only
I agree.........

[jellywrestler]

If we have to fuck about with our brakes as a result of the "CONTAINER INCIDENT" Id like to see the organisers take an equally hard look at themselves regarding protecting competitors from said containers.

I'm sure any observations, recommendations etc you have provided them on this incident will be brought up at this coming fridays de-breifing they're having, and they will discuss it there and come back to you with answers.

[scrivy]

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Please tell me the change to the Sidecar rule was as per this.

[jellywrestler]

277826

Please tell me the change to the Sidecar rule was as per this.

what rule have they changed?

[Kickaha]

Hate to disagree with ya ('cause I usually don't....) BUT..... what if I'm passing a long bike around the outside on a right hander, Bobs hanging off the right hand side of it, and hey presto!! Bobs right hand and elbow disappear into the side wheel that isnt covered!
Wonder what damage that would do to Bob? It certainly would flick him off into the path of another rig behind us!
Incredibly unlikely, but if you want a rule for absolutely every eventuality then the sports pretty well fucked

Please tell me the change to the Sidecar rule was as per this.
I thougt it was more they were making sure everything complied with the existing rule as your brakes obviously didn't

[Fast Eddie]

It doesn't have that much HP!!
haha, nah but first gear launch is enough if your brutal.. if you got mysky rewind n tell me what my bikes up to off the line..


.. those moderns look to fast for that circuit,should be classics only


I agree.........

f*ck off!

[Drew]

I just tried to look up the rules, and the new website seems well designed, and fuckin useless since it's broken.

[jellywrestler]

I just tried to look up the rules, and the new website seems well designed, and fuckin useless since it's broken.

So you've just spent how many hours and hours cutting up rebuilding your Sidecar and you don't even have a simple copy of the rules in front of you at hand????????

Fuck no wonder so many outfits don't fit the rules......

[Fast Eddie]

you're broken, Drew... works for me

http://mnz.edev.co.nz/docs/rules/2012_moms_chapter_27_sidecar_road_racing_secificat ions.pdf?sfvrsn=2

http://www.mnz.co.nz/regulations/rules/general-rules

and yea, where is your hard copy of the rules! didn't you tick the box when you got your race license

[jellywrestler]

I just tried to look up the rules, and the new website seems well designed, and fuckin useless since it's broken.

right you adhd afflicted tosser
MNZ Website
top line REGULATIONS
move ya mouse there it will highlight some options
go down to RULES move ya mouse to there and it will highlight some options
go to GENERAL RULES click your mouse thingy and a page will appear
get one of the grown ups to help you if you need to but otherwise go to
CHAPTER 27 Sidecar Road Racing Specifications and click on that..

[nodrog]

is there rules somewhere i can read?

[jellywrestler]

27.8.4 A lanyard type spring-loaded switch must be mounted on the handlebar,
handlebar clamp or chassis member, and must be attached to the Drivers wrist
or upper body in such a manner as to not inhibit or impede the Drivers
movement while competing.
This switch must interrupt the main ignition circuit in addition to cutting
power to any fuel / oil pumps fitted to the vehicle in the event that the Driver
is thrown from the machine, and must be operated by a suitable cable or
extendable wire (like a coiled telephone cable) with a fully extended length of
no more than 1 metre .
Fuck there's a thing from the past, how many of the younger generation have even seen a telephone with a cord on it I wonder

[scrivy]

is there rules somewhere i can read?

Its not a requirement of me getting my license to be able to read.................LOL!

[Drew]

Nope, doesn't work from my phone. Will fire up the desk top and have a gander at a few things.

No Spyda, I do not have a hard copy of the rules as we build the chair. I don't think anything we've done is covered in the rules. Except chop off a brake and put another on the front.

[sidecar bob]

I have had a reasonably productive afternoon.
I am building a pre '82 Katana 1100 to replace what Jay is currently riding & as a result, I have a full standard braking system on the shelf that has been replaced by a Brembo system. I have mounted some of it on the Pink bike, with a Katana front caliper on the r/f disc, a braided hose & Katana master cyl, which looks right at home on the sloping handlebar.
I have not had to drill or cut anything at all on the outfit, the new caliper braket uses the existing caliper mounting bolt holes, just with longer bolts.

[jellywrestler]

Nope, doesn't work from my phone. Will fire up the desk top and have a gander at a few things.

No Spyda, I do not have a hard copy of the rules as we build the chair. I don't think anything we've done is covered in the rules. Except chop off a brake and put another on the front. did you think to bother to check that what was there was within the rules so you can take any shortcomings into account along the way? My point is that how many outfits are simply not legal when the rules are there in black and white

[Kickaha]

with a Katana front caliper on the r/f disc, a braided hose & Katana master cyl

I would have thought the Katana master cylinder with only the one caliper would mean a very hard lever and not much feel?

What size m/c is going on the Katana, 15mm is stock on most Ducati with 08 Brembo but the MHR has 14mm and is better for it

[scrivy]

I would have thought the Katana master cylinder with only the one caliper would mean a very hard lever and not much feel?


Bob's been married long enough now that he's not into the 'touchy feel' stuff anymore...............:laugh::facepalm:

[sidecar bob]

I would have thought the Katana master cylinder with only the one caliper would mean a very hard lever and not much feel?

What size m/c is going on the Katana, 15mm is stock on most Ducati with 08 Brembo but the MHR has 14mm and is better for it

Its an emergency brake, it will be absolutely mint & a fuckload more plesant than a shipping container brake.

[nodrog]

I tried to fix my brakes but run out of gas in Brucies Mig. So have used some of Scrivys "Black Tack" (patent pending). Its basically Blue tack painted black, but in my case I just used a vivid to stop any copyright infringment.

[Drew]

did you think to bother to check that what was there was within the rules so you can take any shortcomings into account along the way? My point is that how many outfits are simply not legal when the rules are there in black and white

Nope. As with most people I figure that an outfit that has raced before here would be compliant.

Rules mean fuck all in New Zealand till someone protests, or a bike fails tech inspection or scrutineering.

Wanna start a warrant system, petition MNZ for a rule change. Otherwise I'll spot check a couple things for piece of mind and carry on.

[scrivy]

Nope. As with most people I figure that an outfit that has raced before here would be compliant.

Rules mean fuck all in New Zealand till someone protests, or a bike fails tech inspection or scrutineering.

Wanna start a warrant system, petition MNZ for a rule change. Otherwise I'll spot check a couple things for piece of mind and carry on.

When you start beating me, I'll start protesting you then!!:shutup::woohoo::laugh:

[scrivy]

I tried to fix my brakes but run out of gas in Brucies Mig. So have used some of Scrivys "Black Tack" (patent pending). Its basically Blue tack painted black, but in my case I just used a vivid to stop any copyright infringment.

Don't think I wont have you for 'Passing off....' :shutup::2guns:

[scrivy]

... it will be absolutely mint & a fuckload more plesant than a shipping container brake.

Must be a big brake to stop a container!!!
Where do they race those??

[nodrog]

Must be a big brake to stop a container!!!
Where do they race those??

They race them here in TGA. They start out at the Astrolab, first one to the mount wins.

[Kickaha]

Nope. As with most people I figure that an outfit that has raced before here would be compliant.
You're considerably dumber than you look then, hmmmmm hang on that might not be possible

[scrivy]

They race them here in TGA. They start out at the Astrolab, first one to the mount wins.

Ever had any nasty crashes due to brake failure??

[Drew]

When you start beating me, I'll start protesting you then!!:shutup::woohoo::laugh:
Be hard not to beat your wreck of a chair at the moment.

[Kickaha]

Ever had any nasty crashes due to brake failure??
Maybe that's why that cunt driving the ship hit the reef

[scrivy]

You're considerably dumber than you look then, hmmmmm hang on that might not be possible

Dude - pot kettle.............
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[Kickaha]

Dude - pot kettle..........
That was on one of my good days to

No clutch plate branded on my arse though

[nodrog]

Ever had any nasty crashes due to brake failure??

Yeah, but theres a fuckin big sandtrap to catch them.

[Drew]

You're considerably dumber than you look then, hmmmmm hang on that might not be possible

Of course I'll be making sure the thing complies. What we've done to the chair is all about making the chassis strong enough and not retarded.

[scrivy]

Maybe that's why that cunt driving the ship hit the reef

Ban all the ships then from their next sailing until the comply.............:shutup::facepalm:

[Kickaha]

What we've done to the chair is all about making the chassis strong enough and not retarded.

What are you going to do to the rider so he's not retarded?

[scrivy]

Of course I'll be making sure the thing complies. What we've done to the chair is all about making the chassis strong enough and not retarded.

Well where's the fucken fun in that???
Are you turning serious??


Nah, of course you'll comply to the rules. You'll need to get past technical inspection anyways. I think people on here might assume you're stupid - 'cause of ya looks, but really, you're a clever Kahnt. You know the kaupapa!

[scrivy]

What we've done to the chair is not retarded.

What the feck was the ignition problem then?? Advanced??

It was blowing its load in the exhaust, not the inlet manifold............

[Drew]

What are you going to do to the rider so he's not retarded?It's a lost cause we aren't gonna worry about.


Well where's the fucken fun in that???
Are you turning serious??


Nah, of course you'll comply to the rules. You'll need to get past technical inspection anyways. I think people on here might assume you're stupid - 'cause of ya looks, but really, you're a clever Kahnt. You know the kaupapa!
I figured tech inspection was gonna point out issues at the have a go day.

[scrivy]

Woohoo............. only 5 nights till I beat Gordys time around Humptey Downs Syndrome................:Punk::shifty:

Or maybe I won't.............

Actually, with Bob on the side, it'll be 126.3 kgs lighter than having Kick on the side.................!!

[jellywrestler]

It's a lost cause we aren't gonna worry about.


I figured tech inspection was gonna point out issues at the have a go day. you'll be needing a tech inspection before the hill climb i would've thought??? or yous fellas not doing that now?

[Drew]

What the feck was the ignition problem then?? Advanced??

It was blowing its load in the exhaust, not the inlet manifold............

It was retarded, we fixed it.

[Drew]

you'll be needing a tech inspection before the hill climb i would've thought??? or yous fellas not doing that now?

It's not an MNZ event. Don't need shit except to pass scrutineering.

[scrivy]

It's not an MNZ event. Don't need shit except to pass scrutineering.

Ya beat me to it......... bastard.............!!

[jellywrestler]

It's not an MNZ event. Don't need shit except to pass scrutineering.

maybe not but to they use the MNZ rules as a guideline to ensure that it is run to a set of known rules... so my bet is that no tech inspection no racey racey

[nodrog]

Woohoo............. only 5 nights till I beat Gordys time around Humptey Downs Syndrome................:Punk::shifty:

Or maybe I won't.............

Actually, with Bob on the side, it'll be 126.3 kgs lighter than having Kick on the side.................!!

Ive just found a standard head to put on, and removed the ring gear just to make things fair.

Fuck i could do with some chocolate.

[Drew]

maybe not but to they use the MNZ rules as a guideline to ensure that it is run to a set of known rules... so my bet is that no tech inspection no racey racey

Dude, it might be safe to raised your view of me just a smidge.

The chair Will comply before we ride it. It just won't have a tag till the have a go day.

[Kickaha]

Woohoo............. only 5 nights till I beat Gordys time around Humptey Downs Syndrome................:Punk::shifty:
To make it fair you need to put a standard head back on one side and use your knee to block the intake

[Kickaha]

Fuck i could do with some chocolate.

You've had enough you fat cunt

[scrivy]

You've had enough you fat cunt

There's that pot/kettle shit again.........

[scrivy]

To make it fair you need to put a standard head back on one side and use your knee to block the intake

While your at it, remove the wider tyres, fairing and hot cam too.......
Oh, and the carb air deflectors too...........

[scrivy]

maybe not but to they use the MNZ rules as a guideline to ensure that it is run to a set of known rules... so my bet is that no tech inspection no racey racey

Hi Spyda,

At a non-MNZ meeting, there is only a requirement for scrutineering, not a technical inspection.
Drew could run a turbo, knobbly tyres, have handles 6 feet wider than the chair, airconditioning, sun visors, have a horn on it, carry a bar fridge, and even fit stubbie holders if he wanted too. He could also offset his engine to the side car deck, and play bingo whilst he competes against the clock too......

:woohoo:

I assume you think Drew is only slightly smarter than a long bike rider............:shutup:
He's a shorty pilot - 7 rungs further up the ladder......

[scrivy]

To make it fair you need to use your knee to block the intake

Nah, Bob uses his hand for that!

[jellywrestler]

Hi Spyda,

At a non-MNZ meeting, there is only a requirement for scrutineering, not a technical inspection.
that depends entirely on the insurance companies requirements and what the club chooses to do and varies from meet to meet i'm picking...

[scrivy]

that depends entirely on the insurance companies requirements and what the club chooses to do and varies from meet to meet i'm picking...

Well there is that.............

[scrivy]

what rule have they changed?

RULE:
Sidecars shall be fitted with at least two efficient brakes operation on at least two of the wheels, with at least two separate operational circuits irrespective of their method of operation. If one system fails the other system shall work efficiently.


The way I see it, is if one of your master cylinders fails, why should we be having to open the bleed nipple on the good caliper to see if there is no impediment to its operation? What the rule says is if one fails, the other shall work. It doesn't say to render that one useless also.
The pedal travel in most sidecars when both cylinders fail is probably about 6-10 inches at the foot. So cutting a massive amount of space out behind the foot is only going to give the passenger somewhere to rest his knee or foot and impede the brake pedal..... :facepalm:

Also, the rule says two separate systems. How is using a common lever and a common lever pivot point separate?? If the lever snapped (my torque arm did) or the lever pivot bolt wound out or broke, you automatically have a ride to the hospital.

Oh, the rule also says each cylinder is to have it's own reservour too. Most don't.

Also, who says a rear and side brake will slow you enough to avoid an accident? Ever tried slowing a sports bike from 200km using only the rear brake?

There's also the problem of fitting an emergency front brake to the chair. Most emergency brakes won't stop you in the pits! But if you have one, it negates having to worry about the shared foot master cylinder issue.

I'm all for absolute safety, but I would have thought a little more nutting out of this should have been required before we are told that you will not get to race.

[Drew]

RULE:
Sidecars shall be fitted with at least two efficient brakes operation on at least two of the wheels, with at least two separate operational circuits irrespective of their method of operation. If one system fails the other system shall work efficiently.


The way I see it, is if one of your master cylinders fails, why should we be having to open the bleed nipple on the good caliper to see if there is no impediment to its operation? What the rule says is if one fails, the other shall work. It doesn't say to render that one useless also.
The pedal travel in most sidecars when both cylinders fail is probably about 6-10 inches at the foot. So cutting a massive amount of space out behind the foot is only going to give the passenger somewhere to rest his knee or foot and impede the brake pedal..... :facepalm:

Also, the rule says two separate systems. How is using a common lever and a common lever pivot point separate?? If the lever snapped (my torque arm did) or the lever pivot bolt wound out or broke, you automatically have a ride to the hospital.

Oh, the rule also says each cylinder is to have it's own reservour too. Most don't.

Also, who says a rear and side brake will slow you enough to avoid an accident? Ever tried slowing a sports bike from 200km using only the rear brake?

There's also the problem of fitting an emergency front brake to the chair. Most emergency brakes won't stop you in the pits! But if you have one, it negates having to worry about the shared foot master cylinder issue.

I'm all for absolute safety, but I would have thought a little more nutting out of this should have been required before we are told that you will not get to race.
I read the rule, to mean each brake has to operate at least two wheels. Which is slightly problematic.

Anyway, the rule is apparently unchanged. They just intend to enforce it again. Which fucks a lot of long chairs right up.

Completely separate operation is easy, fitting another slave to rear or chair wheel is inviting some dodgy engineering in a lot of cases I'll bet. Not for us though, we've got that shit covered!