The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[Ocean1]

Quoting from your 1979 Cia world fact book , Christmas edition
Is like a farmer asking the turkeys about Christmas

It may have escaped you notice but in order to compare you need a base line
So let's try and find a non corrupt government..
Yes u can use their criteria. But u need a base line

I would stick to ur Dan dare album ya mom gave ya

sent for a divine source

The World Bank, in fact. And there's enough data there to choke a horse, choose your own baseline. Like 1980 for instance, absolute poverty is now less than 20% of what it was then.

I know it tends to indicate that the sky isn't, in fact falling. And that invisible bogymen aren't, in fact fucking up anything individuals aren't fucking up better and faster. But there y'go, Chicken Little, I'm afraid you'll either have to stump up with your own data showing the bogymen in action or live with the massive increases in prosperity everyone else is enjoying.

[Brian d marge]

The World Bank, in fact. And there's enough data there to choke a horse, choose your own baseline. Like 1980 for instance, absolute poverty is now less than 20% of what it was then.

I know it tends to indicate that the sky isn't, in fact falling. And that invisible bogymen aren't, in fact fucking up anything individuals aren't fucking up better and faster. But there y'go, Chicken Little, I'm afraid you'll either have to stump up with your own data showing the bogymen in action or live with the massive increases in prosperity everyone else is enjoying.
Oh my mistake not the cia
The world Bank

Now there's a reputable institution

U must get tired from moving them goalposts

My original point still stands


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[Ocean1]

Oh my mistake not the cia
The world Bank

Now there's a reputable institution

U must get tired from moving them goalposts

My original point still stands


sent for a divine source

It's exactly the same data the UN used in congratulating themselves on meeting their objective in reducing global absolute poverty by 80% before 2020. Five years ago.

Face it CL, if you had the slightest shadow of a point it'd be wrong.

Just like the rest of your bullshit.

[Hemi Makutu]

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1780638.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Doctor-Who.jpg

[Brian d marge]

It's exactly the same data the UN used in congratulating themselves on meeting their objective in reducing international absolute poverty by 80% before 2020. Five years ago.

Face it CL, if you had the slightest shadow of a point it'd be wrong.

Just like the rest of your bullshit.
Are you retarded by chance ....the ones that cause poverty congratulating themselves on reducing poverty

Please for the love of humanity

Don't vote

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[Ocean1]

Are you retarded by chance ....the ones that cause poverty congratulating themselves on reducing poverty

Please for the love of humanity

Don't vote

sent for a divine source

The UN cause poverty, now?

They're a bunch of raving socialist fuckwits, but I don't think anyone's ever accuse them of causing poverty before.

Any other bogeymen you'd like to reveal while you're on the topic?

[Brian d marge]

The UN cause poverty, now?

They're a bunch of raving socialist fuckwits, but I don't think anyone's ever accuse them of causing poverty before.

Any other bogeymen you'd like to reveal while you're on the topic?
No but I'm doing a damn fine job of exposing ur brilliance

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[bogan]

No but I'm doing a damn fine job of exposing ur brilliance

sent for a divine source

Your argument that the UN causes absolute poverty simply because they show it to be in decline (as does any other metric), makes the ravings of a spastic hamster look good by comparison; so Ocean's coherent and logical counterpoint is indeed exposed as relatively brilliant.

[husaberg]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITyudayLmrM

[mossy1200]

Idd vote for the Hamster

[Brian d marge]

I know Japan , I assume it's similar elsewhere
It's mathematically impossible to repay all the debt in a fiat currency model
If Japan's debt level gets to 4% then the tax take is not sufficient
So they either low the interest rates or devalue the currency or find a new .com bubble
Tis what happened in Germany

The question is how long can the can ( great song by Suzi Quotro) be kicked down the road.

sent for a divine source

Suzi ...for ya

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[oldrider]

'There was movement towards WWIII with Russia': World awaits Trump's future policy on Middle East - or not - when the real Donald Trump finally stands up! :corn:

The USA people (bless them) - got it right - the world at large is sick of their fucking warmongering! :niceone:

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[ellipsis]

Suzi ...for ya




...thanks for that magic interlude...:niceone:

[Brian d marge]

...thanks for that magic interlude...:niceone:
no worries


have a look at the norbs on this one .....


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[jasonu]

http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article1780638.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Doctor-Who.jpg

Didn't that guy invent the flux capacitor?

[yokel]

The 2016 presidential elections, the gift that keeps giving.
Why the fuck is the Clinton News Network still on air?
Should be on fire with broken windows.
Why the fuck is the media not denouncing these mental changed cunts?
These protesters have no legitimate grievances so just fuck off home and cry to mummy.


https://youtu.be/1lo2jQhjV5w

[Voltaire]

The 2016 presidential elections, the gift that keeps giving.
Why the fuck is the Clinton News Network still on air?
Should be on fire with broken windows.
Why the fuck is the media not denouncing these mental changed cunts?
These protesters have no legitimate grievances so just fuck off home and cry to mummy.



Your world is pretty simple isn't it.:yawn:

[oldrider]

Only one regret about the American presidential election result - George Carlin did not live long enough to see it! - R.I.P. George! :drinknsin

The people really kicked ass :kick: - just gotta wait now to see what else comes out with the bruises? :shifty: - :corn:

[oldrider]

Donald Trump Wins US Presidency: A Blow to the Global Establishment…or Its Latest Iteration? - Ah someone else who shares my concern about Trump! :scratch:

Trump's overly heavy sucking up to Israel and his forcefully expressed attitude regarding Iran are deeply worrying - :brick:

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are but two sides of the same coin on that subject! :doh:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/donald-trump-wins-us-presidency-a-blow-to-the-global-establishmentor-its-latest-iteration/5556323?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles - By the time it becomes clear to the world - will it be too late? :rolleyes: ..... :corn:

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[Grumph]

The 2016 presidential elections, the gift that keeps giving.
Why the fuck is the Clinton News Network still on air?
Should be on fire with broken windows.
Why the fuck is the media not denouncing these mental changed cunts?
These protesters have no legitimate grievances so just fuck off home and cry to mummy.


Simplistic indeed. If Clinton had won, the same news organisations would have been reporting Trump supporters rioting in the streets...
It's what they do. I'd have thought you'd have realised that by now.

The difference would possibly have been that you'd be out there with them rioting - if you had the courage of your expressed convictions.

Why does your post count stay at 40 ? Just what are you covering up........

[jasonu]

Simplistic indeed. If Clinton had won, the same news organisations would have been reporting Trump supporters rioting in the streets...
........

I don't think that would have happened.

[mashman]

I don't think that would have happened.

Any talk of Trump privatising anything yet? ... as I believe that's why he's where he is.

[husaberg]

Why does your post count stay at 40 ? Just what are you covering up........

He only posts in R&R as (like azkle) he has no motorbikes.

[yokel]

Simplistic indeed. If Clinton had won, the same news organisations would have been reporting Trump supporters rioting in the streets...
It's what they do. I'd have thought you'd have realised that by now.

The difference would possibly have been that you'd be out there with them rioting - if you had the courage of your expressed convictions.

Why does your post count stay at 40 ? Just what are you covering up........

You are a Muppet.
These foolish cunts were mislead by the corrupt mainstream media and now clearly confused as to what the fuck just happed.
if Trump had lost the retaliation would be quite different.
Only an immature moron would be rioting in the streets braking windows and shit.

Some how they were unable to rig the election or rig it enough, I thought Trump would win by a much larger margin.

[pete376403]

Political commentators in the US suggesting Trump will be impeached by his own party before too long, so he can be replaced by vp Pence, a much more standard republican (and far easier to bend to the will of the party)
Can see conflicts brewing already - Mitch McConnel (R-KY) senate leader saying Obamacare is gone in its entirety, Trump saying its not so bad and may parts of it are worth keeping

[Brian d marge]

Well he is already saying he might just amend Obama care

According to the British press


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[yokel]

Political commentators in the US suggesting Trump will be impeached by his own party before too long, so he can be replaced by vp Pence, a much more standard republican (and far easier to bend to the will of the party)
Can see conflicts brewing already - Mitch McConnel (R-KY) senate leader saying Obamacare is gone in its entirety, Trump saying its not so bad and may parts of it are worth keeping

Is that the same political commentators that said Trump would lose??
Just more wishful thinking.

Now just imagine if a bunch white dudes beat up an old black dude for voting for Hillary?


https://youtu.be/Zlt_fXJC8K0

[pete376403]

Is that the same political commentators that said Trump would lose??

No its the one who said he would win. http://www.pressherald.com/2016/11/11/prescient-professor-now-predicts-trump-impeachment/

Also these guys http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/25/gop-needs-elect-trump-impeach/

[yokel]

No its the one who said he would win. http://www.pressherald.com/2016/11/11/prescient-professor-now-predicts-trump-impeachment/

Also these guys http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/25/gop-needs-elect-trump-impeach/

Right? So all the people that said Trump would win are now right about everything?
And it not like Hillary wouldn't have been impeached aye.
Impeach him, assassinate him what ever it takes.

Actually just read ya link.
“I’m going to make another prediction,” he said. “This one is not based on a system, it’s just my gut"

Well that's quite scientific Mr professor haha

[Crasherfromwayback]

Your world is pretty simple isn't it.:yawn:

Well he most certainly is.

[YellowDog]

We seem to have more than our fair share of dumb no nothng morons, in Auckland, exercising their democratic right to protest in line with CNN's misrepresentations :lol:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11746979

[oldrider]

Donald Trump Wins US Presidency: A Blow to the Global Establishment…or Its Latest Iteration? - Ah someone else who shares my concern about Trump! :scratch:

Trump's overly heavy sucking up to Israel and his forcefully expressed attitude regarding Iran are deeply worrying - :brick:

Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton are but two sides of the same coin on that subject! :doh: (or so it would appear!)

http://www.globalresearch.ca/donald-trump-wins-us-presidency-a-blow-to-the-global-establishmentor-its-latest-iteration/5556323?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles - By the time it becomes clear to the world - will it be too late? :rolleyes: ..... :corn:


Then there is this Donald Trump - compared to this Hillary Clinton can you spot the difference now? :scratch: -

The destruction of Syria was supposed to be over long ago so that Iran would be totally destabilised and well on the way to destruction by now - Clinton failed!

The Clinton administration was was fired! :kick: - watch how quickly Trump gets on with the business in Iran! :corn:

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[jasonu]

Only an immature moron would be rioting in the streets braking windows and shit.

.

Yep it is real 3rd world country behavior.

[jasonu]

Political commentators in the US suggesting Trump will be impeached by his own party before too long,

Are these the same political commentators that got the whole election so very wrong?

[jasonu]

We seem to have more than our fair share of dumb no nothng morons, in Auckland, exercising their democratic right to protest in line with CNN's misrepresentations :lol:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11746979

What a bunch of fuckwits. Likely the same ones that did that occupy crap. Sheep!!!!!

[sidecar bob]

Are these the same political commentators that got the whole election so very wrong?

Or the same ones that said Bill Clinton would be impeached within 12 months?
I remember that clearly, because it was the first time I'd heard the word used.

[pritch]

It's going to be interesting to see how trump deals with all of his potential conflicts of interest. His comments so far indicate he doesn't understand the size of the problem. Most Presidents place their business affairs in a blind trust. Trump said his kids could run the business, and that raised eyebrows. Now that he has appointed his kids and son in law to his transition team that would seem to eliminate them as candidates to run the business.

What sort of conflicts of interest? Deutchbank have been fined 14 million dollars for their contribution to the GFC. Trump owes the same bank millions.
Be interesting to see how that works out. Michael Moore, who apparently correctly predicted a Trump win, also predicts he won't last four years.

[Grumph]

Someone should start a poll on 1, how long he'll last, 2, impeach (sub headings as to reason) or assassination (sub headings again as to method)

There is another way...He's looking a bit shell shocked already, what's the odds on him stepping down ? Republicans would love Pense as prez and the house speaker as Vice.

[pritch]

Interesting. The professor who forecast a Trump victory also predicts he won't last the four years. That's both he and Michael Moore, who against the trends perdicted a Trump win, now predicting an early departure.

Trump's history of dodgy money grabbing could get him in trouble if the leopard can't instantly change its spots. He is also a target for the people in his own party who would rather he was gone and they had to deal with Pense who is one of them, not an outsider maverick like Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/11/prediction-professor-who-called-trumps-big-win-also-made-another-forecast-trump-will-be-impeached/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1

[YellowDog]

Interesting. The professor who forecast a Trump victory also predicts he won't last the four years. That's both he and Michael Moore, who against the trends perdicted a Trump win, now predicting an early departure.

Trump's history of dodgy money grabbing could get him in trouble if the leopard can't instantly change its spots. He is also a target for the people in his own party who would rather he was gone and they had to deal with Pense who is one of them, not an outsider maverick like Trump.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/11/11/prediction-professor-who-called-trumps-big-win-also-made-another-forecast-trump-will-be-impeached/?wpisrc=nl_most-draw8&wpmm=1

There are far too many conflicts of interest and he already has around 1000 ongoing legal battle through the US court system.

Unless he can pass it all off to be managed and drop his CEO role at Trump Enterprises, he'll have to be a part-time President, which can't really work :no:

[jasonu]

Republicans would love Pense as prez and the house speaker as Vice.

That result would still be WAY better than if the old shrew had won.

[nerrrd]

The guy is already back-pedalling as fast as his fancy leather shoes will take him, he's an even bigger symptom of what's wrong with the system than bloody Hillary.

Hopefully this in your face farce will prompt some actual change down the line but I wouldn't bet on it.

[seattle smitty]

Well, count me as one who was surprised. Not disappointed; the choice was a disappointment already, to put it mildly. Now I'm wondering how we can ever top this election for amusement value in four or eight years. Bernie Madoff vs. Bozo the Clown? And any future debates should be moderated by a game-show host.

All professional political analysts and op-ed writers and talking heads are forever remarking on the fact that few voters have a deep grasp of the issues. Those people spend their days reading up on the issues for their jobs. The rest of us do not have such jobs. The point of a republic as opposed to a direct democracy is that you vote for an individual whose political philosophy seems similar to yours, hoping that he will master the details.

Trump got elected in a wave of sentiment for a return to nationalism and away from globalism.

[IkieBikie]

Trump got elected in a wave of sentiment for a return to nationalism and away from globalism.

Dead right there. Same may happen here yet??

[Hemi Makutu]

Dead right there. Same may happen here yet??

Yeah, it did already, 40 years ago when Rob Muldoon got the gig..

The Reaganite/Thatcherite/Rogernomics/neocons have been running the place (down the drain) since, mind you..

[mashman]

Yeah, it did already, 40 years ago when Rob Muldoon got the gig..

The Reaganite/Thatcherite/Rogernomics/neocons have been running the place (down the drain) since before the first president of the united states

"“It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am. The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals of them may… actually had a seperation [sic] of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned.” – George Washington"

Fixed that for ya... Clint Trumpton was always a forgone conclusion. That none of us knew for sure who was gonna be the talking head for the next 4 years doesn't change that. Yehaw!

[yokel]

Natural selection at work.


https://youtu.be/j0--ULtIl8Y

[pritch]

It's noted that both the KKK and the American Nazi Party have both congratulated Trump on appointing Bannon. The guy was suspect anyway but that should confirm it to any doubters.

[jasonu]

It's noted that both the KKK and the American Nazi Party have both congratulated Trump on appointing Bannon. The guy was suspect anyway but that should confirm it to any doubters.

Bit unfair mate. How can you control which cunt or group of cunts publically congratulates Trump and or Bannon?

[bogan]

Bit unfair mate. How can you control which cunt or group of cunts publically congratulates Trump and or Bannon?

By aligning (or not) one's values with theirs.

[sidecar bob]

Bit unfair mate. How can you control which cunt or group of cunts publically congratulates Trump and or Bannon?

Im sure plenty of others congratulated him too, but these ones fit in the barrow that is currently being pushed.:msn-wink:

[yokel]

Bit unfair mate. How can you control which cunt or group of cunts publically congratulates Trump and or Bannon?

It's not unfair, it's a failed liberal denialist argument that didn't work before the election and it's not going to magically start working after.

All you need to do is Google image "Hillary Clinton kkk"

[oldrider]

By aligning (or not) one's values with theirs.

Yeah right - bogan has values - Tui anyone? :eek:

[bogan]

Yeah right - bogan has values - Tui anyone? :eek:

You must be getting forgetful, one of my values (to which I have repeatedly expounded upon) is to treat everyone as equals, something yourself, donald, and the KKK seem to disagree with...

[jasonu]

Im sure plenty of others congratulated him too, but these ones fit in the barrow that is currently being pushed.:msn-wink:

There is a lot of that going on here.

[oldrider]

You must be getting forgetful, one of my values (to which I have repeatedly expounded upon) is to treat everyone as equals, something yourself, donald, and the KKK seem to disagree with...

Misguided self praise is poor recommendation but it is your right to be stupid - carry on do your thing! :whistle:

[pritch]

Bit unfair mate. How can you control which cunt or group of cunts publically congratulates Trump and or Bannon?

Fairy nuff. I didn't express myself very clearly. Bannon is described as 'alt right' when people are being polite - or timid. Those less so inclined would describe him as a white nationalist or even a white supremacist. He also reportedly has credentials as a misogynist. Eyebrows were raised when he was appointed to such a high ranking job on Trumps team, and not just because he would seem to have little relevant experience. The kkk congrats were in respect of Bannon being on the team.

Trump promised to drain the swamp. I sympathise with that ambition, get rid of the long term hangers-on who have been doing stuff all except enhance their personal fortune. Sadly though he has no experience or knowledge of the machinery in DC, so he needs to surround himself with the same people he promised to get rid of.

Be interesting to see how his voters feel when his election promises are rolled back or dropped. I see he has already reduced parts of his "beautiful wall" to a fence.

[Banditbandit]

. I see he has already reduced parts of his "beautiful wall" to a fence.

You mean like this fence? Between Mexico and the US?


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/02/US-Mexico_border_fence.jpg/340px-US-Mexico_border_fence.jpg

[Banditbandit]

Or this one near Yuma ..

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/6a/8f/f9/6a8ff9580aaed118529139564ea60d2e.jpg

[Banditbandit]

Or maybe this part of it - California ...

http://news.utexas.edu/sites/news.utexas.edu/files/news/wp-content/uploads/otay-mountain-wilderness-area-California-scott-nicol-350w_2.jpg

[pritch]

[QUOTE=Banditbandit;1131013102]You mean like this fence? Between Mexico and the US?


I have no idea. We can only await developments with breathless anticipation. :whistle:

[yokel]

Fairy nuff. I didn't express myself very clearly. Bannon is described as 'alt right' when people are being polite - or timid. Those less so inclined would describe him as a white nationalist or even a white supremacist. He also reportedly has credentials as a misogynist. Eyebrows were raised when he was appointed to such a high ranking job on Trumps team, and not just because he would seem to have little relevant experience. The kkk congrats were in respect of Bannon being on the team.

Trump promised to drain the swamp. I sympathise with that ambition, get rid of the long term hangers-on who have been doing stuff all except enhance their personal fortune. Sadly though he has no experience or knowledge of the machinery in DC, so he needs to surround himself with the same people he promised to get rid of.

Be interesting to see how his voters feel when his election promises are rolled back or dropped. I see he has already reduced parts of his "beautiful wall" to a fence.

Any man that's starts bleating on about "misogyny" should lead by example and cut their balls off .

[Voltaire]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-overwhelmingly-leads-rivals-in-support-from-less-educated-americans/

Trump voters tended to be the less educated, pretty much reflected on this thread :laugh:

reminds me of
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/250x250/67186595.jpg

all his followers ended up dead 12 years later.

[Brian d marge]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-overwhelmingly-leads-rivals-in-support-from-less-educated-americans/

Trump voters tended to be the less educated, pretty much reflected on this thread [emoji23]

reminds me of
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/250x250/67186595.jpg

all his followers ended up dead 12 years later.
Didn't I say this a while back , trumps speeches and Mr H remarkably the same

But the Germans had the looks , marching up and down, shouting runic symbols ..bat shyt crazy weapons ....

Trump has a half finished wall and a hair piece

sent for a divine source

[yokel]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/trump-overwhelmingly-leads-rivals-in-support-from-less-educated-americans/

Trump voters tended to be the less educated, pretty much reflected on this thread :laugh:

reminds me of
http://cdn.meme.am/instances/250x250/67186595.jpg

all his followers ended up dead 12 years later.

Less indoctrinated more like.

Just look at all those "educated" people and their dumb arse polls haha, anyone with a brain knew they were bull shit.

I feel sorry for you "educated" people with your boxed in brains.

[Stylo]

Donald Trump, proud to say he's never read a book in his life. It'll be an interesting next 4 years to say the least ..

Unbelievable that the system allowed him to climb into the highest chair in the world

[bogan]

Less indoctrinated more like.

Just look at all those "educated" people and their dumb arse polls haha, anyone with a brain knew they were bull shit.

I feel sorry for you "educated" people with your boxed in brains.

Speaking of education vs indoctrination, how do you feel about him no longer planning to build a wall? and no longer planning to remove special interest group lobbyists from politics? about him no longer planning to put hilary in jail (she's good people now apparently)

[Voltaire]

Less indoctrinated more like.

Just look at all those "educated" people and their dumb arse polls haha, anyone with a brain knew they were bull shit.

I feel sorry for you "educated" people with your boxed in brains.

Thank you so much, its nice to be thought of by the cannon fodder.

[yokel]

Speaking of education vs indoctrination, how do you feel about him no longer planning to build a wall? and no longer planning to remove special interest group lobbyists from politics? about him no longer planning to put hilary in jail (she's good people now apparently)

It's been one week you meat bag.

Fuck you cunts are dumb.

Complain about his policies, then complain that he might not follow through with em.

[bogan]

It's been one week you meat bag.

Fuck you cunts are dumb.

Complain about his policies, then complain that he might not follow through with em.

These are from the man himself, he no longer plans to do those things.

Or to put it another way, do you still believe he will build the wall? and get mexico to pay for it?

[yokel]

These are from the man himself, he no longer plans to do those things.

Or to put it another way, do you still believe he will build the wall? and get mexico to pay for it?

Really, so what was it he said?

Cry baby liberals, I just can't get enough.


https://youtu.be/0fpfWIGMMxs

[yokel]

The New York Times admit that they're bunch of biased cunts.

How on earth are they going to undo all that shit house journalism?


https://youtu.be/SPQh35vTGsU

[bogan]

Really, so what was it he said?

Lesley Stahl: So let’s go through very quickly some of the promises you made and tell us if you’re going to do what you said or you’re going to change it in any way. Are you really going to build a wall?

Donald Trump: Yes.

Lesley Stahl: They’re talking about a fence in the Republican Congress, would you accept a fence?

Donald Trump: For certain areas I would, but certain areas, a wall is more appropriate. I’m very good at this, it’s called construction.

Lesley Stahl: So part wall, part fence?

Donald Trump: Yeah, it could be – it could be some fencing.

So I'll ask again, do you still believe he will build the wall? and get mexico to pay for it?

[Katman]

So I'll ask again, do you still believe he will build the wall? and get mexico to pay for it?

Wow, you always go straight for the important issues, don't you?

[bogan]

Wow, you always go straight for the important issues, don't you?

What, like evasion and ad-hominems? Compared to Trump's, Yokels, and your usual rhetoric, asking a simple, clearcut question about a polarising issue is actually important. If you would like to critically evaluate the prospects of any of his other policies, we can do that instead, but I suspect you're just here for the evasion and ad-hominems.

[bogan]

Yeah, I figured your balls would suddenly migrate North.

How so? Is a rational explanation a sign of cowardice for you? Are balls migrating northwards even a sign of cowardice? is it not simply a temperate effect, or perhaps in prelude to a seminal discharge; is that something you think of often?

edit: ah, another deleted post, perhaps in grand irony this time...

[yokel]

Lesley Stahl: Are you really going to build a wall?

Donald Trump: Yes.



You are a fucking mainstream media Muppet.

[bogan]

You are a fucking mainstream media Muppet.

Except for the bits where it is a fence...

Perhaps the MSM get it right every so often. Unfortuatly it seems the overestimated US voting public, who were swayed by false words and empty promises. I wonder how long it takes for Trump's supporters to turn on him, what would your turning point be yokel?

[Katman]

edit: ah, another deleted post, perhaps in grand irony this time...

Nah, just moved to the appropriate thread.

[bogan]

Nah, just moved to the appropriate thread.

Bit too enraged to track which thread is which eh KM. I mean, you had quoted my post, but still got the context wrong... You do make it too easy <s>some</s> all days

[mashman]

1900

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515Wk-IM5EL.jpg

[yokel]

Except for the bits where it is a fence...

Perhaps the MSM get it right every so often. Unfortuatly it seems the overestimated US voting public, who were swayed by false words and empty promises. I wonder how long it takes for Trump's supporters to turn on him, what would your turning point be yokel?

So what if some of the wall is a fence ya dopey cum catcher.

[bogan]

So what if some of the wall is a fence ya dopey cum catcher.

It's not either of those things yet though...

Would that be your turning point, if not even a fence was built along some parts of the border?

[Grumph]

Except for the bits where it is a fence...

Perhaps the MSM get it right every so often. Unfortuatly it seems the overestimated US voting public, who were swayed by false words and empty promises. I wonder how long it takes for Trump's supporters to turn on him, what would your turning point be yokel?

Yokel is an example of those Trump supporters who have been so vociferous in their support that they've backed themselves into a corner from which there is no escape....I'm seeing it on US based forums where the mouth breathers are so encouraged by the result that they're attacking any "normal" even slightly critical post. At least one of those forums will never be the same again due to things said....
I think it's gone past the point where Trump can unite the US.

[jasonu]

Yokel is an example of those Trump supporters who have been so vociferous in their support that they've backed themselves into a corner from which there is no escape....I'm seeing it on US based forums where the mouth breathers are so encouraged by the result that they're attacking any "normal" even slightly critical post. At least one of those forums will never be the same again due to things said....
I think it's gone past the point where Trump can unite the US.

Meanwhile the Clinton supporters are doing a fucking great job of helping to unify the country...
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=trump%20protests%20nyc

[bogan]

Meanwhile the Clinton supporters are doing a fucking great job of helping to unify the country...
https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=trump%20protests%20nyc

Some of the blame surely rests on those who elected a president who ran on a platform of divisive policy.

[Grumph]

Some of the blame surely rests on those who elected a president who ran on a platform of divisive policy.

Correct - to go all biblical, "as ye sow, so shall ye reap" - which seems appropriate.

[Voltaire]

Sooner this guy is removed from power the better.


When will the book burning and wearing of a badge start.




http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-muslim-registry-immigrants-policy-kris-bobach-reinstate-wall-a7420296.html


Donald Trump’s policy advisers are discussing plans to establish a registry for Muslim immigrants in the US, a man believed to be a key member of the President-elect's transition team has revealed.

Kris Kobach, the secretary of state for Kansas, said the President-elect’s advisers were looking at how to implement a proposal suggested by the billionaire businessman that would force immigrants from Muslim countries to register on a database.

[Grumph]

Sooner this guy is removed from power the better.


When will the book burning and wearing of a badge start.

Remember the Muslim immigrant on TV quoting the Constitution ?

Trump's obviously never heard of separation of Church and State.

[Voltaire]

Remember the Muslim immigrant on TV quoting the Constitution ?

Trump's obviously never heard of separation of Church and State.

I do like how his Daughter is using her time on the TV to flog here jewelry and dresses. :niceone:

[pritch]

Trump and his family are treating the presidency as a marketing opportunity. And that's just the beginning.

An interesting titbit this morning, some were surprised when Chris Christie was dropped from Trump's team. It turns out the when Christie was DA he jailed Trump's son in law's father for fraud. What goes around...

I loved it when reading a Hillary strategist claiming that Hillary lost because of the sexism of the Bernie Bros. Never mind that the democrats put up a badly damaged candidate, one of the most unpopular in the whole history of the country. As a result the people who should have come out to vote for her stayed home. With strategists like that it should be no surprise that they blew it. Of course the people who stayed home and didn't vote are now out protesting, they need to work on their timing.

[Katman]

I loved it when reading a Hillary strategist claiming that Hillary lost because of the sexism of the Bernie Bros. Never mind that the democrats put up a badly damaged candidate, one of the most unpopular in the whole history of the country. As a result the people who should have come out to vote for her stayed home. With strategists like that it should be no surprise that they blew it. Of course the people who stayed home and didn't vote are now out protesting, they need to work on their timing.

It's almost like there's a method to 'their' madness.

[Banditbandit]

So what if some of the wall is a fence ya dopey cum catcher.

The fucking wall/fence already exists .. look at the fucking pictures I posted .. Trump has done a con job on ignorant people ..

[mashman]

The fucking wall/fence already exists .. look at the fucking pictures I posted .. Trump has done a con job on ignorant people ..

And they still tunneled under it :killingme

[Grumph]

I had to laugh at what I saw on another (US) forum. They were talking half seriously about financing the wall and a Canadian remarked that he hadn't heard anything about financing a wall on the Canadian border....and where should he send his cheque.

[Brian d marge]

1900

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/515Wk-IM5EL.jpg
You will be surprised how far back that scam goes..
Let's just say, there is a two ton car man involved

sent for a divine source

[pritch]

Just to provide a sense of perspective, this stunning piece of silliness by Boris Johnson who would like to be Prime Minister of the UK.



Carlo Calenda, an Italian economics minister, said it was insulting that Johnson had told him during a recent meeting that Italy would grant Britain access to the EU’s single market “because you don’t want to lose prosecco exports”.

“He basically said: ‘I don’t want free movement of people but I want the single market,’” he told Bloomberg.
“I said: ‘No way.’
He said: ‘You’ll sell less prosecco.’
I said: ‘OK, you’ll sell less fish and chips, but I’ll sell less prosecco to one country and you’ll sell less to 27 countries.’
Putting things on this level is a bit insulting.”



After four months the UK Govt haven't got a bloody clue how to go about Brexit. They said they were keeping their plan secret but it turned out they didn't have one.

Not all the clueless politicians live in the USA.

[Brian d marge]

Just to provide a sense of perspective, this stunning piece of silliness by Boris Johnson who would like to be Prime Minister of the UK.



Carlo Calenda, an Italian economics minister, said it was insulting that Johnson had told him during a recent meeting that Italy would grant Britain access to the EU’s single market “because you don’t want to lose prosecco exports”.

“He basically said: ‘I don’t want free movement of people but I want the single market,’” he told Bloomberg.
“I said: ‘No way.’
He said: ‘You’ll sell less prosecco.’
I said: ‘OK, you’ll sell less fish and chips, but I’ll sell less prosecco to one country and you’ll sell less to 27 countries.’
Putting things on this level is a bit insulting.”



After four months the UK Govt haven't got a bloody clue how to go about Brexit. They said they were keeping their plan secret but it turned out they didn't have one.

Not all the clueless politicians live in the USA.
No it's how to get back on track with the agenda.

As in the stupid people have screwed our plans up , now what do we do

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

You will be surprised how far back that scam goes..
Let's just say, there is a two ton car man involved

sent for a divine source

Not really. I read that in the bible. Wait til they come to understand that money was created for the specific purpose of slavery, not the facilitation of trade as they live in doctor nation.


No it's how to get back on track with the agenda.

As in the stupid people have screwed our plans up , now what do we do

sent for a divine source

Same as last time... and the time before that... and the time before that... and, ach, I'm sure ya'll get the point.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpWmlRNfLck

[jasonu]

Some of the blame surely rests on those who elected a president who ran on a platform of divisive policy.

Yep put the blame for shitty behavior from sore losers on someone else. Fucking great...

[yokel]

The fucking wall/fence already exists .. look at the fucking pictures I posted .. Trump has done a con job on ignorant people ..

Maybe just maybe the current wall/fence is not fit for purpose you autistic knob.

I don't know fuck all about Trumps wall plans and neither do you.

I'm going to wait and see what Trump actually does before casting any judgment, but looks like he's making a good start, still early days .



https://youtu.be/jwrrN0B5KYM

[bogan]

Yep put the blame for shitty behavior from sore losers on someone else. Fucking great...

As opposed to, shut up and support the divisive policy you didn't vote for, much less agree with? I don't think that is quite how democracy works...which given brexit and now trump, it arguably doesn't.

They have a legitimate cause to protest, is free speech not a god-given right over there anymore?

[yokel]

It's almost like there's a method to 'their' madness.

Nope, they're just mental enslaved morons incited by the MSM.

[Katman]

Nope, they're just mental enslaved morons incited by the MSM.

I wasn't talking about the protesters.

[Brian d marge]

Apparently the wall is already in place but a better one is coming from China

sent for a divine source

[yokel]

I wasn't talking about the protesters.

Ok, well the campaign fucked up by setting up Trump as the nominee so he could be an easy beat.

Their method back fired.

[Brian d marge]

Not really. I read that in the bible. Wait til they come to understand that money was created for the specific purpose of slavery, not the facilitation of trade as they live in doctor nation.



Same as last time... and the time before that... and the time before that... and, ach, I'm sure ya'll get the point.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpWmlRNfLck
That being the British venecian version
No , way back ,, way way back , where one of the biggest gold mines of all time , Egypt. For which you actually slaves where imported to ..by the people from the north
.in fact even before that when the trade between china and the west needed a currency. China dealt in silver , the west in gold ... Enter shylock and this mates ...
Debt based money will always enslave

sent for a divine source

[Katman]

Their method back fired.

Did it?

Or maybe 'they' wanted DT in office all along.

[Brian d marge]

Did it?

Or maybe 'they' wanted DT in office all along.
I think they made the change just after Kissinger paid Trump a visit

Looking back with me glasses on



sent for a divine source

[Katman]

I think they made the change just after Kissinger paid Trump a visit

Looking back with me glasses on



sent for a divine source

Well I certainly don't think DT would have stood a chance against Bernie Sanders.

It therefore makes me wonder whether the call to character assassinate Bernie came from higher up than Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

[Brian d marge]

Most possible, she is just a minion

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

That being the British venecian version
No , way back ,, way way back , where one of the biggest gold mines of all time , Egypt. For which you actually slaves where imported to ..by the people from the north
.in fact even before that when the trade between china and the west needed a currency. China dealt in silver , the west in gold ... Enter shylock and this mates ...
Debt based money will always enslave

sent for a divine source

New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures.
Yeah I got yer reference to the tooting car men. Silver, gold, money, same shit. All money will enslave. Always has, always will.

[Brian d marge]

New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures.
Yeah I got yer reference to the tooting car men. Silver, gold, money, same shit. All money will enslave. Always has, always will.
freedom for tooting

https://youtu.be/fMKsR_wUSfA



sent for a divine source

[pritch]

Most possible, she is just a minion


Fairly high level minion: A congresswoman, Chair of the Democrats governing body, Hillary's chief of staff at the previous election, and a similar position again this time after she got the arse card from the DNC.

Wasserman Scheiss's career might have hit a speed bump now that Hillary is history?

[Brian d marge]

Fairly high level minion: A congresswoman, Chair of the Democrats governing body, Hillary's chief of staff at the previous election, and a similar position again this time after she got the arse card from the DNC.

Wasserman Scheiss's career might have hit a speed bump now that Hillary is history?
Still well below Kissinger, and uncle Zbiginew.
But yes she ain't handing out fliers on the corner of 5th and main

sent for a divine source

[yokel]

Did it?

Or maybe 'they' wanted DT in office all along.

Times will tell, but right now I say no.


Well I certainly don't think DT would have stood a chance against Bernie Sanders.

It therefore makes me wonder whether the call to character assassinate Bernie came from higher up than Debbie Wasserman Schultz.

Sorry, that socialist Bernie "the weak boy" Sanders would not have a shit show of beating Trump.

This election is a big win for the alt-right.

[Katman]

Times will tell, but right now I say no.



Sorry, that socialist Bernie "the weak boy" Sanders would not have a shit show of beating Trump.

This election is a big win for the alt-right.

Dude seriously, most people hated the two choices they were given.

Bernie was gaining popularity at an enormous rate until the rug was pulled out from under him.

Donald Trump wouldn't have stood a chance.

[TheDemonLord]

Oooooooo

I sense dissension in the ranks.

[Brian d marge]

Oooooooo

I sense dissension in the ranks.
Sorry my bad it said on the bottle it would make a hit with the women

sent for a divine source

[jasonu]

Dude seriously, most people hated the two choices they were given.

Bernie was gaining popularity at an enormous rate until the rug was pulled out from under him.

Donald Trump wouldn't have stood a chance.

Agreed. Bernie likely would have steamed in but got royally fucked by his own party. Odd thing that after he was called in by obanana for getting in Hillarys way he more or less did exactly that. I wonder what he was promised for towing the line...

[oldrider]

Agreed. Bernie likely would have steamed in but got royally fucked by his own party. Odd thing that after he was called in by obanana for getting in Hillarys way he more or less did exactly that. I wonder what he was promised for towing the line...

You may have read this some place - well this is what it means.

They think they follow the banner of their choice but they will follow the banner that we hang out in front of them! :stoogie:

Clinton and Trump are two faces of the same coin - heads I win tails you lose - the Status Quo are well in control - business as usual. :yawn:

"Give me control of the finances of the world I care not who makes the laws" - Yep well in control - simply whipping the mavericks into shape. :corn:

[yokel]

Dude seriously, most people hated the two choices they were given.

Bernie was gaining popularity at an enormous rate until the rug was pulled out from under him.

Donald Trump wouldn't have stood a chance.

Yes seriously,
So how is it that you know most people hated the choice given, From the TV?
The media would not have gotten behind Bernie like they did with Hillary.
Yes Bernie was popular with niche group of voters, but outside of that nope.

Have you heard from the MSM on the final result on this landslide election yet?


https://youtu.be/6Q3w5X9ZrBM


Agreed. Bernie likely would have steamed in but got royally fucked by his own party. Odd thing that after he was called in by obanana for getting in Hillarys way he more or less did exactly that. I wonder what he was promised for towing the line...

Well you were wrong about Trump, but hey maybe you're right this time??

[jasonu]

Well you were wrong about Trump, but hey maybe you're right this time??

Sometimes the sun shines on a dogs arse too.....

[YellowDog]

I suspect Bernie was promised John Kerry's job :yes:

http://starecat.com/content/wp-content/uploads/an-immigrant-is-taking-my-job-michelle-obama-melania-trump.jpg

[Katman]

So how is it that you know most people hated the choice given, From the TV?


Dude, please - my name's not bogan.

[mashman]

Still well below Kissinger, and uncle Zbiginew.
But yes she ain't handing out fliers on the corner of 5th and main

sent for a divine source

Saw a little bit about Kissinger on Curtis's Hypernormalisation. The man that originally pissed off a peaceful Assad by deciding to destabilise the East just to prove a point. Moronic thing to do at best, but hey, when all you know is war, then war is all you know.

[TheDemonLord]

Dude, please - my name's not bogan.

This is Comedy Gold.

[Brian d marge]

Saw a little bit about Kissinger on Curtis's Hypernormalisation. The man that originally pissed off a peaceful Assad by deciding to destabilise the East just to prove a point. Moronic thing to do at best, but hey, when all you know is war, then war is all you know.
Kissinger did the same thing to Cambodia . Bombed the bejesus out of the border villages AFTER the peace was brokered , JUST, to prove a point .
For which he won a Nobel prize or something like that , the Cambodian prez , declined the prize .

[oldrider]

Sometimes the sun shines on a dogs arse too.....

This whole election debacle is never ending in it's level of intrigue - it just goes on and on - keep watching this space! :corn:

[mashman]

Kissinger did the same thing to Cambodia . Bombed the bejesus out of the border villages AFTER the peace was brokered , JUST, to prove a point .
For which he won a Nobel prize or something like that , the Cambodian prez , declined the prize .

I guess that doesn't surprise me. I guess his mum never loved him much. Or maybe too much and his name has a silent G in it (KissGinger).

[Brian d marge]

I guess that doesn't surprise me. I guess his mum never loved him much. Or maybe too much and his name has a silent G in it (KissGinger).
Oh ya don't want to kiss a ginger

sent for a divine source

[Brian d marge]

Not really. I read that in the bible. Wait til they come to understand that money was created for the specific purpose of slavery, not the facilitation of trade as they live in doctor nation.

Same as last time... and the time before that... and the time before that... and, ach, I'm sure ya'll get the point.


and the time before that and the time before that and ,.....snip;

Akhenaten's reforms cut away both the philosophical and economic bases of priestly power, abolishing the cults of all other deities, and with them the large and lucrative industry of sacrifices and tributes that the priests controlled.

Never go full retard , Never.

[yokel]

Dude, please - my name's not bogan.

Don't worry bout that, you're not even close.

To be honest I can't even envisage how a Trump vs Bernie contest would be like?

Bernie believes in gender pay equity and is scared that the climate may change.

So yeah.

[yokel]

So now that the MSM has been exposed as being fake as fuck, they're now trying to spin the "fake news" on Facebook and the like narrative.

They have lost their fucking minds .


https://youtu.be/uyS3Ghevf2I

[husaberg]

So now that the MSM has been exposed as being fake as fuck, they're now trying to spin the "fake news" on Facebook and the like narrative.

They have lost their fucking minds .



Wow reminds me of this guy......

Operation 'Jade Helm 15'
They are getting ready.

https://youtu.be/71GPrClEssE

[Voltaire]

So now that the MSM has been exposed as being fake as fuck, they're now trying to spin the "fake news" on Facebook and the like narrative.

They have lost their fucking minds .



:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh: Stewart,your an idiot.

[pritch]

Fully in accordance with his behaviour of a lifetime Trump is turning the Presidency into a personal cash cow - and he isn't even in the job yet.

Trump applied for - and received - Secret Service protection many months earlier than candidates usually receive it. Everywhere he went on his private jet the Secret Service agents accompanied him. For this protection, and for the agents travelling on his 'plane, he charged the government US1.6 Million dollars. This is known because election finances are a matter of public record.

Once inaugerated Trump will use Air Force One but his family will continue to use his private jet, with Secret Service agents in attendance of course, but there will be no record of what he is charging.

There are still no tax returns.

He seems to have no intention of setting up a blind trust for his business affairs.

The two latter are conventions rather than actual legal requirements, but he is apparently planning on appointing his son in law to his adiministration which is against the law.

Anybody who still thinks this turkey isn't a con man needs their head read.

[Grumph]

I was surprised to learn that the Pres,Vice and congress are all exempt from the laws requiring formal separation of business and personal matters from the job...No wonder the US is such a hotbed of corruption.
If you can't define it, it's not corruption.

The world will just have to rely on the very large number of people on both sides of the US political spectrum who are keen to impeach him....

[mashman]

Oh ya don't want to kiss a ginger

sent for a divine source

I did a bit of that... highly recommend it in fact :yes:


and the time before that and the time before that and ,.....snip;

Akhenaten's reforms cut away both the philosophical and economic bases of priestly power, abolishing the cults of all other deities, and with them the large and lucrative industry of sacrifices and tributes that the priests controlled.

Never go full retard , Never.

But it seems to work... praps going that extra mile is the solution :blip:

[Stylo]

Fully in accordance with his behaviour of a lifetime Trump is turning the Presidency into a personal cash cow - and he isn't even in the job yet.

Trump applied for - and received - Secret Service protection many months earlier than candidates usually receive it. Everywhere he went on his private jet the Secret Service agents accompanied him. For this protection, and for the agents travelling on his 'plane, he charged the government US1.6 Million dollars. This is known because election finances are a matter of public record.

Once inaugerated Trump will use Air Force One but his family will continue to use his private jet, with Secret Service agents in attendance of course, but there will be no record of what he is charging.

There are still no tax returns.

He seems to have no intention of setting up a blind trust for his business affairs.

The two latter are conventions rather than actual legal requirements, but he is apparently planning on appointing his son in law to his adiministration which is against the law.

Anybody who still thinks this turkey isn't a con man needs their head read.

And hats off to all the Trumpkins who voted this 'saviour' into power.

Heaven help us all

[Brian d marge]

It's Mike Pence that worries me .... That guy is a LOONEY

sent for a divine source

[Katman]

It's Mike Pence that worries me .... That guy is a LOONEY

sent for a divine source

And it's not like 'they' would struggle to find a 21st century Lee Harvey Oswald.

[Brian d marge]

And it's not like 'they' would struggle to find a 21st century Lee Harvey Oswald.
Or a magic bullet .....

It's the Reagan warning I've been meaning to look into a bit more

sent for a divine source

[yokel]

It's Mike Pence that worries me .... That guy is a LOONEY

sent for a divine source

I believe Mike Pence is Trumps assassination protection.

The liberal medias "fake news" excuse shows they're not capable of understanding why Trump won.

The insane PC liberal tide has turned.


https://youtu.be/qQj9c5g6v7Q

[Hemi Makutu]

"Ummm... white trash don't vote do they? & if they do, their votes don't actually count, right?"

Or so the dozy pricks figured, even after that disgusting blob Michael Moore ( no not our one) warned them..

[ellipsis]

...I have asked every person over the last week who has been either, disgusted, saddened, angry or felt very anti Trump enough to tell me their reasons why he should be hung, drawn and quartered, who they voted for in OUR last elections...guess what...most of them gave me reasons why they didn't or don't vote...

...fucking hypocritical cunts...most of them seem to be like these liberal wankfucks who are all for this and all for that but have no idea of how the world works...spoiled, self entitled, lazy,cunts who don't do fuck all, just hope someone else does it for them, so their life is not impinged on...a large part of my immediate family are American citizens and it surprised me that they were going to vote Trump, knowing their ideologies and politics...

...I detest people who don't vote, but to have them being upset and angst ridden at another countries democratic turnout, shits me even more...

...what's the little adage they spout...'Think Globally, Act Locally'...hahahaha...cunts....

[bogan]

...I have asked every person over the last week who has been either, disgusted, saddened, angry or felt very anti Trump enough to tell me their reasons why he should be hung, drawn and quartered, who they voted for in OUR last elections...guess what...most of them gave me reasons why they didn't or don't vote...

...fucking hypocritical cunts...most of them seem to be like these liberal wankfucks who are all for this and all for that but have no idea of how the world works...spoiled, self entitled, lazy,cunts who don't do fuck all, just hope someone else does it for them, so their life is not impinged on...a large part of my immediate family are American citizens and it surprised me that they were going to vote Trump, knowing their ideologies and politics...

...I detest people who don't vote, but to have them being upset and angst ridden at another countries democratic turnout, shits me even more...

...what's the little adage they spout...'Think Globally, Act Locally'...hahahaha...cunts....

Trump didn't run in our election dude. Nor was there any real chance it would be a close enough race to necessitate me going and ticking the blue box of pragmatism.

[ellipsis]

...???????????????????...

[bogan]

...???????????????????...

Does it really need explaining? It's not hypocritical to dislike the winner of a foreign election, and not vote in our own when you don't dislike those who are running (or dislike them equally).

It does raise the question though, of what those who dislike the current 'democratic' process should vote for, or otherwise do...

[Ocean1]

Does it really need explaining? It's not hypocritical to dislike the winner of a foreign election, and not vote in our own when you don't dislike those who are running (or dislike them equally).

It does raise the question though, of what those who dislike the current 'democratic' process should vote for, or otherwise do...

Why don't you go ask them? http://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/140713-Stupid-World

Although I'm pretty sure the answer is either: Fuck all or Whine.

[ellipsis]

...your skills of comprehension are rather lacking boghed...as are your quests to be one of the greatest of the warriors who inhabit the web...this is entertainment only and I love it...you do realise that the bigger the warrior translates to the bigger the wanker...if you believe your own shit and need to constantly remind everyone else in etherland that you do, carry on...it's just entertainment...and cunts that dont vote in my world, a fairly real one, are still cunts...you may not be a cunt but you are still an web wanker...fuck off and taunt oldrider, he loves it obviously...your retorts and such are quite juvenile and usually reactive to whatever your fingers can tap...pure entertainment and you are part of it...

[TheDemonLord]

...your skills of comprehension are rather lacking boghed...as are your quests to be one of the greatest of the warriors who inhabit the web...this is entertainment only and I love it...you do realise that the bigger the warrior translates to the bigger the wanker...if you believe your own shit and need to constantly remind everyone else in etherland that you do, carry on...it's just entertainment...and cunts that dont vote in my world, a fairly real one, are still cunts...you may not be a cunt but you are still an web wanker...fuck off and taunt oldrider, he loves it obviously...your retorts and such are quite juvenile and usually reactive to whatever your fingers can tap...pure entertainment and you are part of it...

U mad Bro?

[Madness]

http://i.imgur.com/99OjONu.gif

[Hemi Makutu]

U mad Bro?

The bogoff did an expost-facto post edit worthy of the husashill.. & still missed the obvious point..

It was so 'ken funny, I should've quoted it.. before he changed it.. &/or reported him for being off-topic & stupid...

[bogan]

...your skills of comprehension are rather lacking boghed...as are your quests to be one of the greatest of the warriors who inhabit the web...this is entertainment only and I love it...you do realise that the bigger the warrior translates to the bigger the wanker...if you believe your own shit and need to constantly remind everyone else in etherland that you do, carry on...it's just entertainment...and cunts that dont vote in my world, a fairly real one, are still cunts...you may not be a cunt but you are still an web wanker...fuck off and taunt oldrider, he loves it obviously...your retorts and such are quite juvenile and usually reactive to whatever your fingers can tap...pure entertainment and you are part of it...

You do sound an awful lot like oldy with that one though...

Votes in NZ don't affect US results, thus it is not hypocrisy to complain about the US result and not vote in NZ. You should be able to comprehend that.

[bogan]

The bogoff did an expost-facto post edit worthy of the husashill.. & still missed the obvious point..

It was so 'ken funny, I should've quoted it.. before he changed it.. &/or reported him for being off-topic & stupid...

It was an addition, the second sentence. The meaning was clarified, not changed.

Oh, and try bogroll, probably a funnier option than bogoff (not actually a thing is it?).

[pritch]

Having just had an election to select from two of the least appealing candidates ever, some people in the US want another option added to the ballot: "None of the above".
Should "none of the above" get most votes the parties would be required to select new candidates.

Probably won't happen of course. We don't have a president and it probably has no application here, but the phrase "none of the above" has a lot of appeal when applied to politicians.

[Katman]

Probably won't happen of course. We don't have a president and it probably has no application here, but the phrase "none of the above" has a lot of appeal when applied to politicians.

An idea so crazy it might just work.

[oldrider]

Having just had an election to select from two of the least appealing candidates ever, some people in the US want another option added to the ballot: "None of the above".
Should "none of the above" get most votes the parties would be required to select new candidates.

Probably won't happen of course. We don't have a president and it probably has no application here, but the phrase "none of the above" has a lot of appeal when applied to politicians.

The electorate here (NZ) does not elect our Prime Minister - cabinet does that! :rolleyes:

The electorate doesn't even elect the government - we simply vote to give them permission to form a government among themselves! :facepalm:

That is why their loyalty is to each other - rather than to the electorate! :brick:

"None of the above" might be an interesting addition to our voting options. :shifty:

[Grumph]

"None of the above" might be an interesting addition to our voting options. :shifty:

We've effectively got that with the party vote. You can withhold your vote for the individuals in your electorate but use your party vote for a party not standing a candidate in your electorate. But yes, adding that to the party vote page might make for interesting results.

[YellowDog]

An airplane was about to crash. There were 4 passengers on board, but only 3 parachutes.
The 1st passenger said, "I am Steph Curry, the best NBA basketball player. The Warriors and my millions of fans need me, and I can't afford to die." So he took the 1st pack and left the plane.

The 2nd passenger, Donald Trump, said, "I am the newly-elected U.S. President, and I am the smartest President in American history, so my people don't want me to die." He took the 2nd pack and jumped out of the plane.

The 3rd passenger, the Pope, said to the 4th passenger, a 10 year old schoolboy, "My son, I am old and don't have many years left, you have more years ahead so I will sacrifice my life and let you have the last parachute."

The little boy said, "That's okay, 'Your Holiness', there's a parachute left for you. America 's smartest President took my schoolbag."

[Brian d marge]

The electorate here (NZ) does not elect our Prime Minister - cabinet does that! :rolleyes:

The electorate doesn't even elect the government - we simply vote to give them permission to form a government among themselves! :facepalm:

That is why their loyalty is to each other - rather than to the electorate! :brick:

"None of the above" might be an interesting addition to our voting options. :shifty:


exaxtly , add to that the threat of crossing line line and complaining about something u shouldn't , Palestine , for example and yes YOU MUST toe the line , you even have a party whip that puts u back in ur place if you go against the party or say something u shoudnt ,

My idea, One Politician , one bullet , one vote

and the sooner the better , biggest con job ever !

u know Spain STILL hasn't a government ! Belgium was fine for a few weeks !

[mashman]

Having just had an election to select from two of the least appealing candidates ever, some people in the US want another option added to the ballot: "None of the above".
Should "none of the above" get most votes the parties would be required to select new candidates.

Probably won't happen of course. We don't have a president and it probably has no application here, but the phrase "none of the above" has a lot of appeal when applied to politicians.

The radical thing about putting such an option on the ballot is that people would actually have something to vote for that otherwise have no option to choose from. If they do add "None of the above" as an option, then I'm going to create a party called "None of the above" :D.

[mashman]

Belgium was fine for a few weeks !

heh... 541 days according to internet.

[bogan]

We've effectively got that with the party vote. You can withhold your vote for the individuals in your electorate but use your party vote for a party not standing a candidate in your electorate. But yes, adding that to the party vote page might make for interesting results.

Problem is that tallying them up is all it would be. No change would be effected.

The more the democratic system is discussed, the more I come to the conclusion it gives us the standard of leadership we deserve, not the standard we are capable of. Broken media, proliferation of bad information and echo chambers, broken voting systems, broken candidates; all of this could be fixed by simply having smarter voters.

[Ocean1]

Problem is that tallying them up is all it would be. No change would be effected.

The more the democratic system is discussed, the more I come to the conclusion it gives us the standard of leadership we deserve, not the standard we are capable of. Broken media, proliferation of bad information and echo chambers, broken voting systems, broken candidates; all of this could be fixed by simply having smarter voters.

Aye, charge $1000 for a vote.

Why should anyone expect a say in spending someone else's tax dollars?

[bogan]

Aye, charge $1000 for a vote.

Why should anyone expect a say in spending someone else's tax dollars?

Tax weighted voting would be a better way to that sort of end, actually paying to vote skews towards disposable income, and also apathy (who the fuck would have spent 1k on labor last (or the coming) election).

But I think the linkage between wealth and robust decision making is not so strong that we would wish to go down that path.

[mashman]

Problem is that tallying them up is all it would be. No change would be effected.

The more the democratic system is discussed, the more I come to the conclusion it gives us the standard of leadership we deserve, not the standard we are capable of. Broken media, proliferation of bad information and echo chambers, broken voting systems, broken candidates; all of this could be fixed by simply having smarter voters.

:killingme@smarter voters as a solution. Yeah, it's the quality of voter that's the problem :killingme :crybaby: :killingme

[Katman]

:killingme@smarter voters as a solution. Yeah, it's the quality of voter that's the problem :killingme :crybaby: :killingme

Well that's life through the eyes of a stupid cunt for you.

[oldrider]

all of this could be fixed by simply having smarter voters.

So we get a student loan and a degree in voting (should be as smart as you can get?) we only get the same options as every other dumb fucking voter! :doh:

How exactly is being smarter going to solve the problem? :scratch:

[bogan]

:killingme@smarter voters as a solution. Yeah, it's the quality of voter that's the problem :killingme :crybaby: :killingme

Think about it, it's the only democratic answer. Although I'm all ears if you have another one?


So we get a student loan and a degree in voting (should be as smart as you can get?) we only get the same options as every other dumb fucking voter! :doh:

How exactly is being smarter going to solve the problem? :scratch:

The how is the tricky bit, but I think it more of a attitude shift than a formal education.

Well smarter voters would need to be in majority, obviously. With smarter voters, you'd prioritise based on smarter policy. You think people like Trump and Hilary would have stood a chance if the voters were smart enough to see and understand the insubstantial, or outright destructive policy they were pushing?

The idea that the only say we get is every 4 years a box to tick is absurdly apathetic; as is the idea that we can do nothing to change what those boxes represent.

[Katman]

Think about it, it's the only democratic answer. Although I'm all ears if you have another one?

Politicians who are more motivated by the desire to work on behalf of society, rather than for themselves, would help.

[bogan]

Politicians who are more motivated by the desire to work on behalf of society rather than themselves would help.

Which smarter voters would identify, and elect to power; regardless of if they were with one of the two main parties or not.

[Katman]

Which smarter voters would identify, and elect to power; regardless of if they were with one of the two main parties or not.

Fuck off, you stupid cunt.

[yokel]

:killingme@smarter voters as a solution. Yeah, it's the quality of voter that's the problem :killingme :crybaby: :killingme

It most certainly is.
Either increase the age limit or only let men have the responsibility of voting.
The latter being the best option.

But seen a democracy is inherently corrupt, some cunt will try and change the rules so they can dimwits to vote for em.

[mashman]

Think about it, it's the only democratic answer. Although I'm all ears if you have another one?

Oldrider covered that re: same options. In other words, offer more options... else getting smarter about voting will likely see far less people voting.

All ears is one thing. Having the brains to understand any alternative is another. But yeah, you are all ears. And Katman covered that.

[mashman]

It most certainly is.
Either increase the age limit or only let men have the responsibility of voting.
The latter being the best option.

But seen a democracy is inherently corrupt, some cunt will try and change the rules so they can dimwits to vote for em.

Ah, the other side of the bogan embryo. Yeah, nah.

[TheDemonLord]

Fuck off, you stupid cunt.

I love it...

Bogan essentially agrees with you - and this is your response.

[bogan]

Oldrider covered that re: same options. In other words, offer more options... else getting smarter about voting will likely see far less people voting.

All ears is one thing. Having the brains to understand any alternative is another. But yeah, you are all ears. And Katman covered that.

More options? Are there any restriction on why these 'other options' cannot run under the current system to be chosen by smarter voters? I mean, things like the money free party have made the attempt...

'Having the brains to understand any alternative' is exactly what I mean when I said smarter voters are the fix. Why do you state disagreement then say things which are in agreement with that?

[bogan]

I love it...

Bogan essentially agrees with you - and this is your response.

Reminds me of something I read the other day :whistle:


What's becoming increasingly transparent is that you base your opinions on nothing more than whatever is opposite to my opinion.

[Katman]

I love it...

Bogan essentially agrees with you - and this is your response.

Fuck off, you stupid cunt.

[husaberg]

Which smarter voters would identify, and elect to power; regardless of if they were with one of the two main parties or not.

In democracy, what appears to be the lesser of two evils is generally the most popular option.


I love it...

Bogan essentially agrees with you - and this is your response.


Don't be silly though, you can't ever expect Katman to be logical or be able to debate rationally.

[bogan]

In democracy, what appears to be the lesser of two evils is generally the most popular option.

Yet they picked Trump over Cruz, Hilary over Sanders, and Trump over Hilary. Like I said, we need smarter voters...

[mashman]

More options? Are there any restriction on why these 'other options' cannot run under the current system to be chosen by smarter voters? I mean, things like the money free party have made the attempt...

'Having the brains to understand any alternative' is exactly what I mean when I said smarter voters are the fix. Why do you state disagreement then say things which are in agreement with that?

The money free party, as I found out relatively recently, aren't a political party. That doesn't mean that they won't become one, but as it stands, they aren't.

Either way, the voter is plenty smart enough to understand alternatives given the knowledge that they currently have and in regards to extrapolating new knowledge that they receive in terms of alternatives. I know this, because I've asked them. Ironically, the supposed smarter voters (full cuppers as I've come to understand them) i.e. those who believe they're smarter based on where they are in life and the knowledge that they have accumulated, are less likely to process new ideas, because they already class themselves as smarter (hence full cuppers). Again, I have found this out by having asked these people... much to my amusement and bemusement. Tis a fun filled journey with lots of twists and turns and I've found indoctrination in places where I ever thought I'd find it. Keeps me entertained whilst I'm not getting stuck in though.

[mashman]

Yet they picked Trump over Cruz, Hilary over Sanders, and Trump over Hilary. Like I said, we need smarter voters...

Who's they? The voter? :facepalm: The electoral college is not the voter. And given that Clinton was supposed to have gotten more votes than Trump, and that the electoral college is full of really really smart voters, it kinda blows your whole theory that the voter needing to be smarter will make a difference out of the water.

[bogan]

The money free party, as I found out relatively recently, aren't a political party. That doesn't mean that they won't become one, but as it stands, they aren't.

Either way, the voter is plenty smart enough to understand alternatives given the knowledge that they currently have and in regards to extrapolating new knowledge that they receive in terms of alternatives. I know this, because I've asked them. Ironically, the supposed smarter voters (full cuppers as I've come to understand them) i.e. those who believe they're smarter based on where they are in life and the knowledge that they have accumulated, are less likely to process new ideas, because they already class themselves as smarter (hence full cuppers). Again, I have found this out by having asked these people... much to my amusement and bemusement. Tis a fun filled journey with lots of twists and turns and I've found indoctrination in places where I ever thought I'd find it. Keeps me entertained whilst I'm not getting stuck in though.

They tried to get on the ballot last time, and missed out. So had they gotten support, they could have gone through in the current system.

Those full cuppers sound a lot like those who are happy with their life, and the others wishing for change are perhaps not so much. Neither is a requirement to nor a prevents them from being a smart voter; they're simply two sides of a coin, one more predisposed to voting for change, and one for stability. You shouldn't confuse the being less likely to process new ideas, when they are simply unlikely to process your ideas.


Who's they? The voter? :facepalm: The electoral college is not the voter. And given that Clinton was supposed to have gotten more votes than Trump, and that the electoral college is full of really really smart voters, it kinda blows your whole theory that the voter needing to be smarter will make a difference out of the water.

The whole lot, voter and college. You should read more on the electoral college if you think even for a second that they are smart voters :laugh:

[mashman]

They tried to get on the ballot last time, and missed out. So had they gotten support, they could have gone through in the current system.

Those full cuppers sound a lot like those who are happy with their life, and the others wishing for change are perhaps not so much. Neither is a requirement to nor a prevents them from being a smart voter; they're simply two sides of a coin, one more predisposed to voting for change, and one for stability. You shouldn't confuse the being less likely to process new ideas, when they are simply unlikely to process your ideas.

The whole lot, voter and college. You should read more on the electoral college if you think even for a second that they are smart voters :laugh:

Ah yes, bogan assumption mode engaged and his reality unfolds virtually no understanding of what.... oooo squirrel.

[TheDemonLord]

Fuck off, you stupid cunt.

If Bogan is a stupid Cunt, for agreeing with something you said - that logically makes you an even more Stupid Cunt....

[bogan]

Ah yes, bogan assumption mode engaged and his reality unfolds virtually no understanding of what.... oooo squirrel.

Feel free to correct any assumptions I've made, but it certainly seems like you've made quite a few when classifying how full one's cup is based on how receptive to your ideas they are :facepalm: Look to the bigger picture here mashy, you cannot evaluate the system based on how well it achieves your desired outcome, that's a dictatorship, not democracy.

In either case, smart voters does not mean voters that necessarily agree with you, me, or anyone else. It simply means voters that understand that which they are voting on, not fed lies by media or echo chambers, not voting based on dirty politics, and not voting based purely out of self interest (though arguably that last one might cancel out a bit).

[TheDemonLord]

The money free party, as I found out relatively recently, aren't a political party. That doesn't mean that they won't become one, but as it stands, they aren't.

Either way, the voter is plenty smart enough to understand alternatives given the knowledge that they currently have and in regards to extrapolating new knowledge that they receive in terms of alternatives. I know this, because I've asked them. Ironically, the supposed smarter voters (full cuppers as I've come to understand them) i.e. those who believe they're smarter based on where they are in life and the knowledge that they have accumulated, are less likely to process new ideas, because they already class themselves as smarter (hence full cuppers). Again, I have found this out by having asked these people... much to my amusement and bemusement. Tis a fun filled journey with lots of twists and turns and I've found indoctrination in places where I ever thought I'd find it. Keeps me entertained whilst I'm not getting stuck in though.


Translation:
I've got Sour Grapes because they are smart enough to see through my Communism 2.0 scheme

[Brian d marge]

Communism, brilliant disguise.... Convince everyone is sharing but with one central planner ,,,, whatever next social democracy..... It will never fly

sent for a divine source

[mashman]

Feel free to correct any assumptions I've made, but it certainly seems like you've made quite a few when classifying how full one's cup is based on how receptive to your ideas they are :facepalm: Look to the bigger picture here mashy, you cannot evaluate the system based on how well it achieves your desired outcome, that's a dictatorship, not democracy.

In either case, smart voters does not mean voters that necessarily agree with you, me, or anyone else. It simply means voters that understand that which they are voting on, not fed lies by media or echo chambers, not voting based on dirty politics, and not voting based purely out of self interest (though arguably that last one might cancel out a bit).

You assume that I was putting forwards "my" ideas. And as we've done this dance before and your desire to lead trips us both up, tis kind of pointless trying to offering you any information or finding. Your cup is full. Good luck with that.

[husaberg]

Yet they picked Trump over Cruz, Hilary over Sanders, and Trump over Hilary. Like I said, we need smarter voters...

The party picked the candidates, the people choose out of those candidates.

If Bogan is a stupid Cunt, for agreeing with something you said - that logically makes you an even more Stupid Cunt....

Even more so that he katman never even figured out he was agreeing with him in the first place.

[bogan]

You assume that I was putting forwards "my" ideas. And as we've done this dance before and your desire to lead trips us both up, tis kind of pointless trying to offering you any information or finding. Your cup is full. Good luck with that.

Semantics, could be somebody else ideas that you agree with. Either way, it's pushing the ideas you wish to see happen. The effectiveness of the system is still in no way tied to how well it agrees with your ideals. You need to see past yourself in this regard, there is a bigger picture if only you open you eyes.


The party picked the candidates, the people choose out of those candidates.

Yeh, same shit, different butthole.

[Ocean1]

Tax weighted voting would be a better way to that sort of end, actually paying to vote skews towards disposable income, and also apathy (who the fuck would have spent 1k on labor last (or the coming) election).

But I think the linkage between wealth and robust decision making is not so strong that we would wish to go down that path.

Depends. If you think rich pricks are simply lucky then you might have a point. Although Larry Niven might have something to say about that...

If you think they're rich because they made decisions that directly resulted in a prosperous lifestyle then I'd say they'd probably vote for whoever supports that behaviour.

Which has to be better than having a significant number of voters simply voting themselves more welfare entitlements. Where "Better" = both ethically more correct and representing an actual positive feedback control strategy.

[oldrider]

Trump Prepares to “Take Over” the Federal Reserve! http://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-prepares-to-take-over-the-federal-reserve/5557824 :corn:

[bogan]

Depends. If you think rich pricks are simply lucky then you might have a point. Although Larry Niven might have something to say about that...

If you think they're rich because they made decisions that directly resulted in a prosperous lifestyle then I'd say they'd probably vote for whoever supports that behaviour.

Which has to be better than having a significant number of voters simply voting themselves more welfare entitlements. Where "Better" = both ethically more correct and representing an actual positive feedback control strategy.

For the most part its good decision making, but look at cunts like Tamaki, Trump, etc Other dickheads like Crafar who make money while polluting and abusing livestock, slash and burn forestry/resource practices, con-men. All of those things look good on the balance sheet (at least for a while), but you'd not want them calling the shots.

Welfare voters don't seem to be an issue yet.

[Katman]

If you think they're rich because they made decisions that directly resulted in a prosperous lifestyle then I'd say they'd probably vote for whoever supports that behaviour.



What about the dumb fucks that simply inherited their money?

[oldrider]

Palestine, A Century after the Balfour Declaration: The UK Should Face Uncomfortable Home Truths: http://www.globalresearch.ca/palestine-a-century-after-the-balfour-declaration-the-uk-should-face-uncomfortable-home-truths/5555290

Trump reaction will be interesting! :shifty: - (Remember: Israel did not exist until 1948 - https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/creation-israel) :corn:

[mashman]

Semantics, could be somebody else ideas that you agree with. Either way, it's pushing the ideas you wish to see happen. The effectiveness of the system is still in no way tied to how well it agrees with your ideals. You need to see past yourself in this regard, there is a bigger picture if only you open you eyes.


https://lexperanza.files.wordpress.com/2014/07/velma.jpg

You're right bogan, you can't.

[mashman]

Trump Prepares to “Take Over” the Federal Reserve! http://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-prepares-to-take-over-the-federal-reserve/5557824 :corn:

UBI, UBI, My kingdom for a UBI. Such coming from the banks will be treated with suspicion. Coming from the White House, less so, but at least it won't be coming from those dirty rotten banks that everyone knows is the problem :facepalm:.

[husaberg]

Palestine, A Century after the Balfour Declaration: The UK Should Face Uncomfortable Home Truths: (Remember: Israel did not exist until 1948 - https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/creation-israel) :corn:

Using that faulty logic, that means it existed 40 more years than Palestine then. :lol:
looks like you might want to study up some more about when states were created.

Note The first record of the name Israel (as ysrỉꜣr) occurs in the Merneptah stele, erected for Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah c. 1209 BCE, "Israel is laid waste and his seed is not"

[bogan]

You're right bogan, you can't.

So lets go back a few posts before you started doing that, and you could explain just what problems smarter voters couldn't fix?

Unless you've instead found another cop-out while down looking for your glasses...

[Hemi Makutu]

Using that faulty logic, that means it existed 40 more years than Palestine then. :lol:

Chosen to humiliate the Hebrews who rebelled against Roman authority ( & thus pointedly derived from 'Philistine')...
& those 'troublesome' Jews were subject to the 'diaspora'.. & expelled accordingly..

The Eastern Roman ( Byzantine) Empire took up Xian doctrines as official state religious policy, & ran the 'Holy Land' until finally ejected by militant Islam, from the C7th - with a few centuries of RC/Pope-pushed 'Outremer'
interruption, until WW1 & the Allied ( British for Palestine) victory 'mandate', which a ~100 years later is still
a cause of drama as the modern 'Outremer', kept afloat by Western funding/destabilization machinations..

"Not that there's anything wrong with that." - depending on your values...

[mashman]

So lets go back a few posts before you started doing that, and you could explain just what problems smarter voters couldn't fix?

Unless you've instead found another cop-out while down looking for your glasses...

What for? I've explained why there's no reason for me to engage, and the best you had was the usual projection, assumptive bullshit and finally the school yard, yeah but that's you not me. :yawn:

[oldrider]

Using that faulty logic, that means it existed 40 more years than Palestine then. :lol:
looks like you might want to study up some more about when states were created.

Note The first record of the name Israel (as ysrỉꜣr) occurs in the Merneptah stele, erected for Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah c. 1209 BCE, "Israel is laid waste and his seed is not"

There he goes just a chillin and a shillin - reminds me of the old advertising logo for HMV! :whistle:

[jasonu]

The party picked the candidates, the people choose out of those candidates.


.

The party is the people. Any US citizen can register to be a Democrat or Republican and that gives them the chance to vote for anyone who is running to be the party candidate for POTUS. It is called the primaries.

[Clockwork]

Oh wah. So you find you can't compete with unskilled farmers half a planet away, to what extent do you expect your countrymen to subsidise your lack of productivity?

And if wealthy investors and shareholders are doing better than you think they should then like everyone else you have the choice of not buying their product or setting up shop right alongside them.

Whining because you don't get paid as much as you think you should isn't going to change shit.

Yeah..... silly me, for living and paying taxes for a first world society. Of course I should be able to compete with worker in an economy where they are lucky to be allowed to work for a pittance or be left to starve in the gutter. Just so long as you can continue to consume for as little as possible and your share values keep rising. The rest of society, Hell, we're just holding you back. Shine on!

Don't you worry mate, me and mine will be fine. My fears are for our society and future generations of New Zealanders. Not everyone with means is as anti-social as yourself!

[oldrider]

Plenty of jobs during a war - no restrictions on importing or exporting of explosive goods - if you are lucky enough to live through them life is generally great! :rolleyes:

The higher up the chain you get the more lucrative and safe the war is - plenty of ready cheap money available for war - ask any banker? :niceone:

Everyday peace and loving? - now that is expensive unwarranted and unwanted - again - ask any banker? :whistle:

[pritch]

Depends. If you think rich pricks are simply lucky then you might have a point. Although Larry Niven might have something to say about that...

If you think they're rich because they made decisions that directly resulted in a prosperous lifestyle then I'd say they'd probably vote for whoever supports that behaviour.

Which has to be better than having a significant number of voters simply voting themselves more welfare entitlements. Where "Better" = both ethically more correct and representing an actual positive feedback control strategy.



Ummm that line of thought has contributed to the Alice in Wonderland situation the USA currently finds itself in.

It's the "American Dream" if you work hard you will be successful - and therefore wealthy. Being poor is regarded as evidence of a character flaw, a sign of weakness. Poor white people in the USA do not regard themselves as poor that would mean they were weak. They regard their situation as a temporary setback, one lucky break and they'll be rolling in it. Before the steel mills, the coal mines, and the ports etc, all shut down the dream had some validity even if it wasn't quite real. For some time now though it has been pure fantasy.

Trump made promises which appealed to them as the answer to their problems ,so they bought into his nonsense. People are asking, "What happens when they realise they were lied to?" Most likely they'll be just that much poorer, because nobody else thinks Trump considers poor whites a priority.

Ted Cruz has apparently put himself foward as a candidate for the Supreme Court. Cruz is a prick. As another Republican said, he had better start sucking up to the politicians he has been pissing off for years if he has any expectation that he would be confirmed for the position.

The sun is shining, I should be riding the bike instead of reading about all this stuff...

[Banditbandit]

Using that faulty logic, that means it existed 40 more years than Palestine then. :lol:
looks like you might want to study up some more about when states were created.

Note The first record of the name Israel (as ysrỉꜣr) occurs in the Merneptah stele, erected for Egyptian Pharaoh Merneptah c. 1209 BCE, "Israel is laid waste and his seed is not"

Yes .. when Egypt destroyed Israel ... it was destroyed - gone - non-existent .. and yet the pommies revived it ...

[Banditbandit]

UBI, UBI, My kingdom for a UBI. Such coming from the banks will be treated with suspicion. Coming from the White House, less so, but at least it won't be coming from those dirty rotten banks that everyone knows is the problem :facepalm:.

Trump's action could have dire consequences for the world's economy ... it could tighten the mopey supply and therefore put up all your mortgages .. of if you are a renter, put up your rent as the landlord tries to pay off raised mortgages ..

[Hemi Makutu]

Anyone here recall the 'Bob Jones Party' - set up to protest the Muldoon regime's 'autarchy national-socialism'?

& although the '1st past the post' electoral system then in use prevented Jones taking power,
- it enabled the 'Rogernomics' regime.. an utterly devious con/pyramid scheme for 'Fey Richwhites' et al.. to fuck over NZ as their bitch..

Trump is like a bit like Jones, but via the protest vote - he actually got elected!

& now the world has to watch him fiddle Nero-wise, but with his impulsive hand on the nuke button.. & ready to 'burn baby, burn'..


This political opinion piece sums up what a con job the Trump deal has been/will be..

www.echo.net.au/2016/11/thus-spake-mungo-god-help-america-world/

[jasonu]

Ummm that line of thought has contributed to the Alice in Wonderland situation the USA currently finds itself in.

It's the "American Dream" if you work hard you will be successful - and therefore wealthy. Being poor is regarded as evidence of a character flaw, a sign of weakness. Poor white people in the USA do not regard themselves as poor that would mean they were weak. They regard their situation as a temporary setback, one lucky break and they'll be rolling in it. Before the steel mills, the coal mines, and the ports etc, all shut down the dream had some validity even if it wasn't quite real. For some time now though it has been pure fantasy.

Trump made promises which appealed to them as the answer to their problems ,so they bought into his nonsense. People are asking, "What happens when they realise they were lied to?" Most likely they'll be just that much poorer, because nobody else thinks Trump considers poor whites a priority.

Ted Cruz has apparently put himself foward as a candidate for the Supreme Court. Cruz is a prick. As another Republican said, he had better start sucking up to the politicians he has been pissing off for years if he has any expectation that he would be confirmed for the position.

The sun is shining, I should be riding the bike instead of reading about all this stuff...

There are a few unsubstantiated and totally unproveable generalizations in that there post podna...

[pritch]

There are a few unsubstantiated and totally unproveable generalizations in that there post podna...

At least it provides a rational explanation for what otherwise would likely be attributed to irrational behaviour, mass hysteria at best.

An election or two back I recall a TV interview with a "poor white" from West Virginia. He looked the part, he had all of two teeth. He was asked why he voted Republican when they had never done anything for him. He looked puzzled for a second or two then a look of triumph, "Ahhhh but they might." Yeah right!

The toothless thing happens here too, the long term unemployed can't afford root canal work or fillings. It's usually cheaper to get the problem tooth extracted.
One night after a news item from the Wairarapa Paul Holmes wondered out loud why the guys in the story had few teeth. The thought that dentists' bills are not covered by the dole had never crossed his mind

[jasonu]

At least it provides a rational explanation for what otherwise would likely be attributed to irrational behaviour, mass hysteria at best.

An election or two back I recall a TV interview with a "poor white" from West Virginia. He looked the part, he had all of two teeth. He was asked why he voted Republican when they had never done anything for him. He looked puzzled for a second or two then a look of triumph, "Ahhhh but they might." Yeah right!

The toothless thing happens here too, the long term unemployed can't afford root canal work or fillings. It's usually cheaper to get the problem tooth extracted.
One night after a news item from the Wairarapa Paul Holmes wondered out loud why the guys in the story had few teeth. The thought that dentists' bills are not covered by the dole had never crossed his mind

The anti Trump US media searches out people like that because it suits their slant.

[mashman]

Trump's action could have dire consequences for the world's economy ... it could tighten the mopey supply and therefore put up all your mortgages .. of if you are a renter, put up your rent as the landlord tries to pay off raised mortgages ..

He happens to be the catalyst for something that was already in the post. Coulda been anyone, including the lady that wanted war. Gotta pay for war somehow. Peace is twice as expensive.

[Brian d marge]

At least it provides a rational explanation for what otherwise would likely be attributed to irrational behaviour, mass hysteria at best.

An election or two back I recall a TV interview with a "poor white" from West Virginia. He looked the part, he had all of two teeth. He was asked why he voted Republican when they had never done anything for him. He looked puzzled for a second or two then a look of triumph, "Ahhhh but they might." Yeah right!

The toothless thing happens here too, the long term unemployed can't afford root canal work or fillings. It's usually cheaper to get the problem tooth extracted.
One night after a news item from the Wairarapa Paul Holmes wondered out loud why the guys in the story had few teeth. The thought that dentists' bills are not covered by the dole had never crossed his mind
The toothless thing shocked me when I went back to NZ

It was really noticeable

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[mashman]

At least it provides a rational explanation for what otherwise would likely be attributed to irrational behaviour, mass hysteria at best.

An election or two back I recall a TV interview with a "poor white" from West Virginia. He looked the part, he had all of two teeth. He was asked why he voted Republican when they had never done anything for him. He looked puzzled for a second or two then a look of triumph, "Ahhhh but they might." Yeah right!

The toothless thing happens here too, the long term unemployed can't afford root canal work or fillings. It's usually cheaper to get the problem tooth extracted.
One night after a news item from the Wairarapa Paul Holmes wondered out loud why the guys in the story had few teeth. The thought that dentists' bills are not covered by the dole had never crossed his mind

The toothless thing isn't the sole reserve of the long term unemployed. Turns out that kids are expensive and their needs generally outweigh one getting new teeth... that and the bills need to be paid and the family needs to eat etc... ;)

[Brian d marge]

The toothless thing isn't the sole reserve of the long term unemployed. Turns out that kids are expensive and their needs generally outweigh one getting new teeth... that and the bills need to be paid and the family needs to eat etc... ;)
Let them eat cake

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[husaberg]

Yes .. when Egypt destroyed Israel ... it was destroyed - gone - non-existent .. and yet the pommies revived it ...

I think you missed my point. Using Oldies very Faulty Logic he applies solely to Israel. The Present State of Palestine never existed until 1988.Ie 40 years after Israel


Palestine, A Century after the Balfour Declaration: (Remember: Israel did not exist until 1948 - https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/creation-israel) :corn:


The party is the people. Any US citizen can register to be a Democrat or Republican and that gives them the chance to vote for anyone who is running to be the party candidate for POTUS. It is called the primaries.

But youre missing the delegate process Jace, thus as i said the party controls the nomination process.

[mashman]

Let them eat cake

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So long as it's chocolate, bring on the cake.

[Hemi Makutu]

I think you missed my point. Using Oldies very Faulty Logic he applies solely to Israel. The Present State of Palestine never existed until 1988.Ie 40 years after Israel



But youre missing the delegate process Jace, thus as i said the party controls the nomination process.


The Republican 'party' despises Trump, who isn't even a real 'Republican'.. it was Trump who controlled the 'process'..

As for Palestine.. miss the point much?

The indigenous tribal peoples living there for generations hadn't had, or needed a 'president' ( 'cept for the Ottoman Sultan) ,
& the post of president - is a just a figurehead one in Israel, anyhow...

[Ocean1]

For the most part its good decision making, but look at cunts like Tamaki, Trump, etc Other dickheads like Crafar who make money while polluting and abusing livestock, slash and burn forestry/resource practices, con-men. All of those things look good on the balance sheet (at least for a while), but you'd not want them calling the shots.

Welfare voters don't seem to be an issue yet.

It's a mistake to equate bad behaviour by rich pricks as symptomatic of all rich pricks. In fact statistically, poor behaviour is far more prevalent among poor pricks.

So either change the rules to discourage poor behaviour or enforce existing rules so they work. Most rich pricks won't give a shit, people who show a propensity to do well in a given environment usually do well in any environment.

And that depends what you define as welfare voters. Over half of NZ households receive more in benefits that they pay in tax, now why do you suppose that's just over 50%?

[Ocean1]

Yeah..... silly me, for living and paying taxes for a first world society. Of course I should be able to compete with worker in an economy where they are lucky to be allowed to work for a pittance or be left to starve in the gutter. Just so long as you can continue to consume for as little as possible and your share values keep rising. The rest of society, Hell, we're just holding you back. Shine on!

Don't you worry mate, me and mine will be fine. My fears are for our society and future generations of New Zealanders. Not everyone with means is as anti-social as yourself!

You still whining that you can't compete with an ex 3rd world subsistence farmer? Is there any particular reason you think you deserve ten times his wages for doing the same work, badly?

[Ocean1]

Ummm that line of thought has contributed to the Alice in Wonderland situation the USA currently finds itself in.

It's the "American Dream" if you work hard you will be successful - and therefore wealthy. Being poor is regarded as evidence of a character flaw, a sign of weakness. Poor white people in the USA do not regard themselves as poor that would mean they were weak. They regard their situation as a temporary setback, one lucky break and they'll be rolling in it. Before the steel mills, the coal mines, and the ports etc, all shut down the dream had some validity even if it wasn't quite real. For some time now though it has been pure fantasy.

Trump made promises which appealed to them as the answer to their problems ,so they bought into his nonsense. People are asking, "What happens when they realise they were lied to?" Most likely they'll be just that much poorer, because nobody else thinks Trump considers poor whites a priority.

Ted Cruz has apparently put himself foward as a candidate for the Supreme Court. Cruz is a prick. As another Republican said, he had better start sucking up to the politicians he has been pissing off for years if he has any expectation that he would be confirmed for the position.

The sun is shining, I should be riding the bike instead of reading about all this stuff...

I tend to think the situation the US currently finds itself in is more to do with their belief that they can have "first world wages" and still pay $200 for a 56" TV.

And, like seemingly everyone else outside the US I don't really understand how they can fall for some snake oil salesman telling them they deserve and can have both.

[Ocean1]

What about the dumb fucks that simply inherited their money?

What about them?

[Katman]

What about them?

Is their vote worth more than a 'poor' persons? (https://www.bundoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Castle.BLOG_.spoon-feeding-330x230.jpg)

[Brian d marge]

Is their vote worth more than a 'poor' persons?
In Washington it is ..

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[bogan]

It's a mistake to equate bad behaviour by rich pricks as symptomatic of all rich pricks. In fact statistically, poor behaviour is far more prevalent among poor pricks.

So either change the rules to discourage poor behaviour or enforce existing rules so they work. Most rich pricks won't give a shit, people who show a propensity to do well in a given environment usually do well in any environment.

And that depends what you define as welfare voters. Over half of NZ households receive more in benefits that they pay in tax, now why do you suppose that's just over 50%?

Of course it would be. It's also a mistake to let such fuckwits have a say when coming up with a system in which fuckwits shouldn't get a say...

That's the chicken egg scenario, how do you change the rules to discourage a thing if the rule makers are doing that thing? Be it rich pricks burning trees, or stupid worlders craving handouts...

Those whose main source of income is a welfare benefit; net tax contribution is a relative metric, in a similar fashion to relative poverty, doesn't reflect the absolute measure of value to society that person has.

[Ocean1]

Is their vote worth more than a 'poor' persons? (https://www.bundoo.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Castle.BLOG_.spoon-feeding-330x230.jpg)

Well if they're paying $1000 for it, yes.

And if they aren't as productive as their parents then they won't be in any position to be buying votes for long, trust me.

[Ocean1]

Of course it would be. It's also a mistake to let such fuckwits have a say when coming up with a system in which fuckwits shouldn't get a say...

That's the chicken egg scenario, how do you change the rules to discourage a thing if the rule makers are doing that thing? Be it rich pricks burning trees, or stupid worlders craving handouts...

Those whose main source of income is a welfare benefit; net tax contribution is a relative metric, in a similar fashion to relative poverty, doesn't reflect the absolute measure of value to society that person has.

Well if the poor bahaviour isn't endemic, or even if it's not as widespread among rich pricks then such fuckwit's don't get as much influence, do they? Maybe we start at the other end, criminals, lawyers and artificial inseminaters don't get votes....

Are the rule makers behaving badly compared to the rest of us? Some places, obviously, but I'm pretty sure the transgressions you're talking about are already outside the rules. If the're no effective then obviously we need to fine the pricks more. Still, it's a fucking good argument for binding referendums.

If they're paying for a vote then it sure reflects their financial value to society.

[bogan]

Well if the poor bahaviour isn't endemic, or even if it's not as widespread among rich pricks then such fuckwit's don't get as much influence, do they? Maybe we start at the other end, criminals, lawyers and artificial inseminaters don't get votes....

Are the rule makers behaving badly compared to the rest of us? Some places, obviously, but I'm pretty sure the transgressions you're talking about are already outside the rules. If the're no effective then obviously we need to fine the pricks more. Still, it's a fucking good argument for binding referendums.

If they're paying for a vote then it sure reflects their financial value to society.

Why should they get any say? such things will make the peasantry revolt, with good cause.

I don't think so, but nor do I think society at large is behaving as well as it could. The most example worthy are transgressions we can agree are outside the rules; but other things like conservationism, animal welfare, medical welfare, education; these are long term things which your successful capitalists may not think are worth investing in.

I was defining welfare voters, as per your earlier question. But no, paying for a vote does not reflect value to society as somebody of high value may have many dependents, or reinvest in local community, etc. Taxed income is a far better reflection of value as it decouples the value produced from the value consumed or otherwise passed on.

[Ocean1]

Why should they get any say? such things will make the peasantry revolt, with good cause.

I don't think so, but nor do I think society at large is behaving as well as it could. The most example worthy are transgressions we can agree are outside the rules; but other things like conservationism, animal welfare, medical welfare, education; these are long term things which your successful capitalists may not think are worth investing in.

I was defining welfare voters, as per your earlier question. But no, paying for a vote does not reflect value to society as somebody of high value may have many dependents, or reinvest in local community, etc. Taxed income is a far better reflection of value as it decouples the value produced from the value consumed or otherwise passed on.

There isn't a system that eliminates everyone who's behaviour we don't like from voting. Not even just those I don't like. Isn't it better to make a change for the better and stick with simple criteria rather than wait for the impossible? I think this is a problem, that many people perceive a few arseholes to be representitive of bad behaviour across "that other" demographic.

There are rules controlling conservation, animal welfare, medical welfare and education. And I'd suggest the majority of people actually follow them, almost all of the time. As for lawful behaviour that you still don't like then obviously you'd want to change those rules. But what makes you think that a) rich pricks are mostly capitalists and b) rich pricks would vote against rules designed to encourage what you should expect to demonstrate clearly is good behaviour?

I'm not trying to reward altruistic behaviour, simply reward productive behaviour. I'd like to reward good dudes for being good, but everyone's idea about that is different. You simply can't define it in a set of coherent rules. So apportion votes by tax contribution?

[bogan]

There isn't a system that eliminates everyone who's behaviour we don't like from voting. Not even just those I don't like. Isn't it better to make a change for the better and stick with simple criteria rather than wait for the impossible? I think this is a problem, that many people perceive a few arseholes to be representitive of bad behaviour across "that other" demographic.

There are rules controlling conservation, animal welfare, medical welfare and education. And I'd suggest the majority of people actually follow them, almost all of the time. As for lawful behaviour that you still don't like then obviously you'd want to change those rules. But what makes you think that a) rich pricks are mostly capitalists and b) rich pricks would vote against rules designed to encourage what you should expect to demonstrate clearly is good behaviour?

I'm not trying to reward altruistic behaviour, simply reward productive behaviour. I'd like to reward good dudes for being good, but everyone's idea about that is different. You simply can't define it in a set of coherent rules. So apportion votes by tax contribution?

Yes but who's better? Do rich people make objectively better long term decisions? The same could be said for the poor, only some of them are delinquents of no value to society who should be prevented to vote.

Indeed I am talking about to change or maintain those rules, it's what the political system is there for. Rich prick being capitalists is surely more highly correlated than rich pricks makes good decisions for wider society. I'm not saying they would vote against such rules, just questioning why they would be more likely to vote for them than the poor?

Yeh, tax contribution is better than simply buying the right to vote, with tax you'd quite literally, earn it.

[Ocean1]

Yes but who's better? Do rich people make objectively better long term decisions? The same could be said for the poor, only some of them are delinquents of no value to society who should be prevented to vote.

Indeed I am talking about to change or maintain those rules, it's what the political system is there for. Rich prick being capitalists is surely more highly correlated than rich pricks makes good decisions for wider society. I'm not saying they would vote against such rules, just questioning why they would be more likely to vote for them than the poor?

Yeh, tax contribution is better than simply buying the right to vote, with tax you'd quite literally, earn it.

I think rich people are, for the most part rich because they're productive. And I think productive people have therefore demonstrated an understanding of cause and effect with regards to productive behaviour. I wonder how many delinquents are represented in either end of the income spread. Again, there is no precise measure of who is better qualified to decide how to structure those rules to produce prosperity, but I'm picking you're not going to find too many of them among the less productive.

I don't believe you're correct, there. I've known more relatively wealthy genuine philanthropists than otherwise.

I'd suggest that by far the majority of all income is earned, no? Outside of the obvious, almost caricaturist Stupid World bogymen.

[Brian d marge]

I think rich people are, for the most part rich because they're productive. And I think productive people have therefore demonstrated an understanding of cause and effect with regards to productive behaviour. I wonder how many delinquents are represented in either end of the income spread. Again, there is no precise measure of who is better qualified to decide how to structure those rules to produce prosperity, but I'm picking you're not going to find too many of them among the less productive.

I don't believe you're correct, there. I've known more relatively wealthy genuine philanthropists than otherwise.

I'd suggest that by far the majority of all income is earned, no? Outside of the obvious, almost caricaturist Stupid World bogymen.
Nothing to do with borrowing very cheap money ...

Or winning the lottery ....

You seriously cannot believe what you have written ...

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[Ocean1]

Nothing to do with borrowing very cheap money ...

Or winning the lottery ....

You seriously cannot believe what you have written ...

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Well no, borrowing money isn't actually a trait you see among rich pricks.

Nor have very many rich pricks won a lottery.

And you, on the other hand, who obviously believe both of the above, also believe that rich pricks have stolen all their money?

[bogan]

I think rich people are, for the most part rich because they're productive. And I think productive people have therefore demonstrated an understanding of cause and effect with regards to productive behaviour. I wonder how many delinquents are represented in either end of the income spread. Again, there is no precise measure of who is better qualified to decide how to structure those rules to produce prosperity, but I'm picking you're not going to find too many of them among the less productive.

I don't believe you're correct, there. I've known more relatively wealthy genuine philanthropists than otherwise.

I'd suggest that by far the majority of all income is earned, no? Outside of the obvious, almost caricaturist Stupid World bogymen.

I agree with that. But there is a difference between attaining personal productivity, and understanding societal productivity. It would make sense if they were more strongly correlated than personal unproductively and understanding societal productivity; but there'd need to be a hell of a lot more data to come in before I'd look to base a voting/political system on such an assumption.

Does being a philanthropist exclude being a capitalist though?

Of course, which is why it is a better metric to base voter eligibility on than a 1k buy in. Personally, I'd probably not vote if it were a 1k buy in (maybe if it looked close and it was a Trump vs Obama level mismatch), but I'm certainly a productive member of society by any other metric (outside of the obvious Stupid Worlder delusions).

[Brian d marge]

Well no, borrowing money isn't actually a trait you see among rich pricks.

Nor have very many rich pricks won a lottery.

And you, on the other hand, who obviously believe both of the above, also believe that rich pricks have stolen all their money?
Oh yes my bad

It came out of their arse.....

They were all like bill gates and their "productivity" made them rich



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[TheDemonLord]

Oh yes my bad

It came out of their arse.....

They were all like bill gates and their "productivity" made them rich



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Bill gates was extremely productive for the first 20 years or so, and from memory still takes an active interest in writing code.

[Brian d marge]

Bill gates was extremely productive for the first 20 years or so, and from memory still takes an active interest in writing code.
So was I
... And I still take an active interest in fixing the results of his code


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[Ocean1]

Oh yes my bad

It came out of their arse.....

They were all like bill gates and their "productivity" made them rich



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Either rich pricks stole their money or it was freely given to them in exchange for something they produced.

You stick with your theory, it's obviously one that excuses a wide range of personal deficits.

I'll continue to insist that the vast majority of Kiwis with money earned it.

[Ocean1]

I agree with that. But there is a difference between attaining personal productivity, and understanding societal productivity. It would make sense if they were more strongly correlated than personal unproductively and understanding societal productivity; but there'd need to be a hell of a lot more data to come in before I'd look to base a voting/political system on such an assumption.

Does being a philanthropist exclude being a capitalist though?

Of course, which is why it is a better metric to base voter eligibility on than a 1k buy in. Personally, I'd probably not vote if it were a 1k buy in (maybe if it looked close and it was a Trump vs Obama level mismatch), but I'm certainly a productive member of society by any other metric (outside of the obvious Stupid Worlder delusions).

Perhaps, although as I said in my experience people with productive habits benefit society more than those without them. But more to the point before you decide what surplus you're going to spend in which areas of society you have to have a net positive personal productivity.

Some like to claim that, presumably on the theory that capitalists don't agree with govt control over everything and therefore want to keep everything for themselves. My observations don't back that up, as I said in my experience rich pricks benefit society more than poor pricks. And be careful with "capitalist", there's plenty of rich pricks that aren't hard line capitalists, in spite of what Stupid World dogma may have to say about shit.

Maybe, but whereas personal tax contribution may be a measure of individual productivity, (not convinced it's necessarily an accurate one) it doesn't factor any level of commitment to policy change. Actually purchasing the chance to influence policy does.

I don't think either would produce a policy set that I'd want, I have to say. I'm simply pointing out that atm we have the opposite: a system whereby individual living standards are so far divorced from the cost of supplying them that you have whole nations that can't actually make the connection between production and the income directly associated with it. And voting accordingly. Rather than have the completely irrational farce that was the US elections isn't it better to attempt to reestablish at least the awareness of that link?

[pritch]

Well no, borrowing money isn't actually a trait you see among rich pricks.


In my admittedly limited experience of 'rich pricks' the opposite is the case. They use other people's money if they can.

As for them being rich because they are productive, actually most of them are rich because they were born that way. There are exceptions though, and they are perhaps to be admired rather than envied.

Being rich has it's advantages, Trump's son in law Jared Kushner(?) apparently didn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of getting accepted at Harvard, but his dad donated $250,000 pa for eight years and Hey! he's in.

[pritch]

So here is Trump with the guy picked to be the new head of Homeland Security. Perhaps Mr Kobach should do a crash course in security 101.
This'd be funny if it wasn't tragic.

[Ocean1]

In my admittedly limited experience of 'rich pricks' the opposite is the case. They use other people's money if they can.

As for them being rich because they are productive, actually most of them are rich because they were born that way. There are exceptions though, and they are perhaps to be admired rather than envied.

Being rich has it's advantages, Trump's son in law Jared Kushner(?) apparently didn't have a snowball's chance in Hell of getting accepted at Harvard, but his dad donated $250,000 pa for eight years and Hey! he's in.

Depends on what you consider borrowing, using share issue returns or a bank overdraught facility in business probably shouldn't be presented as pricks being rich 'cause they've borrowed it all cheap. Outside of purely commercial functions most rich pricks I know avoid borrowing money.

Really? In my experience non productive people who were born rich don't remain rich. Conversely, most productive people who fail in some venture or misfortune don't usually remain down for long. So I'd say that productive behaviour has a far higher correlation with wealth than an inheritance.

It's been said that being rich is easier than being poor. I'd agree with that.

Oh, and buying places at Harvard is fairly routine, it's not a charitable institution. What's more, given that typical course costs run to about US$50.000 pa it sounds positively cheap. I read an interesting article about US tertiary ed institution charges and they way they manage bursaries. I'll see if I can dig it out.

[oldrider]

Really? In my experience non productive people who were born rich don't remain rich. Conversely, most productive people who fail in some venture or misfortune don't usually remain down for long. So I'd say that productive behaviour has a far higher correlation with wealth than an inheritance.

It's been said that being rich is easier than being poor. I'd agree with that.



Lotto winners could be an example? :rolleyes:

[Banditbandit]

Comment of the week


"Do you seriously expect a family that sits on Gold Thrones to help working people? "

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/styles/story_large/public/thumbnails/image/2016/11/14/12/capture.jpg

[Brian d marge]

Depends on what you consider borrowing, using share issue returns or a bank overdraught facility in business probably shouldn't be presented as pricks being rich 'cause they've borrowed it all cheap. Outside of purely commercial functions most rich pricks I know avoid borrowing money.

Really? In my experience non productive people who were born rich don't remain rich. Conversely, most productive people who fail in some venture or misfortune don't usually remain down for long. So I'd say that productive behaviour has a far higher correlation with wealth than an inheritance.

It's been said that being rich is easier than being poor. I'd agree with that.

Oh, and buying places at Harvard is fairly routine, it's not a charitable institution. What's more, given that typical course costs run to about US$50.000 pa it sounds positively cheap. I read an interesting article about US tertiary ed institution charges and they way they manage bursaries. I'll see if I can dig it out.
Trying to justify an untenable position in a small novel ....

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