The American (USA) 2016 presidential elections thread?

[Grumph]

Yes Trump made the mistake of not referencing the Fox article.

I guess that's what happens when you don't use a teleprompter and a team of speech writers (assuming).

It's also what happens when you don't engage the brain...

I can see you having plenty to do for the length of Trump's presidency, explaining to us lesser mortals just how we are misunderstanding the man you adore..

There could even be a job for you at the US Embassy - assuming you can get on with a one time male centerfold...

[Voltaire]

It's also what happens when you don't engage the brain...

I can see you having plenty to do for the length of Trump's presidency, explaining to us lesser mortals just how we are misunderstanding the man you adore..

There could even be a job for you at the US Embassy - assuming you can get on with a one time male centerfold...

https://i.imgflip.com/1k3yuf.jpg

[yokel]

Donald Trump is the man!
If you people understand what a man is?

Hope all this shit goes away by the time my daughter goes to school.

http://i.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/89708303/white-house-signals-reversal-in-transgenderbathroom-policy

[pritch]

Trump made absolutely no reference to a terrorist attack in Sweden.



When Trump speaks there can be many interpretations because what comes out of his mouth often doesn't actually make sense. Journalists trying to be polite refer to this as "flow of consciousness", but that's just a fancy name for making shit up as he goes.

I'm not watching it again thanks, so from memory, he referred to what happened in Germany, then does a little riff on "last night in Sweden"*, then he mentions Paris and Nice. Germany, Paris, and Nice were all the scene of recent terrorist attacks. Most people with normal comprehension skills would (and did) infer he was talking about a terrorist attack in Sweden.

So it's not "fake news" it is what he said.

There is no evidence to suggest that most Trump supporters have anything approaching normal comprehension skills, so I can understand that they would differ.





*You can set that to the tune of "One Night In Bankok".

[pritch]

Donald Trump is the man!


Donald Trump is a draft dodging coward. Four student deferments, then a doctor gave him a certificate for a hurty heel.

He doesn't pay his bills, he assaults women and he's an ignorant twat.

You definition of "the man" doesn't set the bar very high.






Hope all this shit goes away by the time my daughter goes to school.



Why? Is your daughter starting school in the US of A?

[Voltaire]

Donald Trump is a draft dodging coward.


It was easier to dodge the draft when your wealthy, dodging the Vietnam war was a good idea, everyone should have done it.

If NZ hitched up its wagon to the US with another stupid war like that I'd encourage my two sons to go overseas.

( and yes I know we would all be speaking Japanese if that was my view in 1942.....)

[pritch]

( and yes I know we would all be speaking Japanese if that was my view in 1942.....)

Actually the NZ Army was busy in Africa and then Europe so the Yanks had to come and fight the Japanese.

Once upon a time a good war record (or at least one that could be made to look reasonable without too much elaboration) was regarded as a plus if standing for President. That's no longer the case, three of the last four managed to hide from the draft: numbers 42, 43 and 45.

This may or may not mean much, except that Trump's one military excursion so far was a complete fuck up and lost the US access to a middle eastern country.

[husaberg]

It was easier to dodge the draft when your wealthy, dodging the Vietnam war was a good idea, everyone should have done it.

If NZ hitched up its wagon to the US with another stupid war like that I'd encourage my two sons to go overseas.

( and yes I know we would all be speaking Japanese if that was my view in 1942.....)


Actually the NZ Army was busy in Africa and then Europe so the Yanks had to come and fight the Japanese.

Once upon a time a good war record (or at least one that could be made to look reasonable without too much elaboration) was regarded as a plus if standing for President. That's no longer the case, three of the last four managed to hide from the draft: numbers 42, 43 and 45.

This may or may not mean much, except that Trump's one military excursion so far was a complete fuck up and lost the US access to a middle eastern country.

NZ only had about 500 servceman, artillery and a couple of infantry companies in Vietnam at any given time it was a very small involvement compared to our other war contributions
We went in with the Aussies and US as part of the ANZUS alliance.
We need to remember that Vietnam like Korea were US Russian proxy wars and power plays, its a two sided game still being played out now.

[Voltaire]

NZ only had about 500 artillery and a couple of infantry companies in Vietnam at any given time it was a very small involvement compared to our other war contributions
We went in with the Aussies and US as part of the ANZUS alliance.
We need to remember that Vietnam like Korea were US Russian proxy wars and power plays, its a two sided game still being played out now.

I saw a lot of old Russian military vehicles in 'Nam, fortunately did not have to ride a Minsk.
Oddly the Vietnamese love the US and its their largest trading partner....keeping America Great.

[husaberg]

I saw a lot of old Russian military vehicles in 'Nam, fortunately did not have to ride a Minsk.
Oddly the Vietnamese love the US and its their largest trading partner....keeping America Great.

I guess that maybe communism was as great as it was made out to be of the people after all.
Then again Trump proves democracy isn't that great either.
If only all the people of Vietnam had started out with just a small loan of a million doallars from their father.

[yokel]

Donald Trump is a draft dodging coward. Four student deferments, then a doctor gave him a certificate for a hurty heel.

He doesn't pay his bills, he assaults women and he's an ignorant twat.

You definition of "the man" doesn't set the bar very high.





Why? Is your daughter starting school in the US of A?

You obviously have no idea the level of influence the US president has on the free world (I use this term loosely)

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155176449853606&id=97548423605

They're trying to roll out this transgender bullshit in Nz schools as we speak.

And they can fuck right off.

The same media cunts that constantly take people out of context also try to say that Bruce/Catlyn Jenner is a woman.

Do you think he is a woman?

Milo dominating BBC reporter like a boss.



https://youtu.be/Q3K1pGN-O8I

[Woodman]

Yokel, there are transgender people. Instead of discriminating, why not just try and get along.

[pritch]

Y
The same media cunts that constantly take people out of context also try to say that Bruce/Catlyn Jenner is a woman.

Do you think he is a woman?



I understand Jenner is a member of the Kardashian clan. Banksy the street artist wrote, "Stop making stupid people famous." I'm with Banksy. As far as is possible I avoid any mention of the Kardashian/Jenner/West circus, but they don't tend to pop up in my reading material.

So to answer your question, Jenner can be whatever he or she wants, it is of zero interest to me. Neither do I care where he or she decides to pee.

On the other hand, if Chelsea Manning wants to be a woman I wish her well.

Life can be complicated innit?

[Grumph]

They're trying to roll out this transgender bullshit in Nz schools as we speak.

And they can fuck right off.

The same media cunts that constantly take people out of context also try to say that Bruce/Catlyn Jenner is a woman.



You would do well to simply let any child of yours assimilate into society as it is in NZ without demur. Your child has to live here for much longer than you will and to instil your values and beliefs into them is asking for trouble in future years.
If transgender acceptance does become more mainstream than at present, I'm assuming the child will be homeschooled ?

What would you do if a child of yours displayed transgender tendencies ? Or came out as gay ?

[oldrider]

Hmmm if there is God? (gender optional and personal choice considered) the adage: "There but for the grace of god go I" - springs to mind. :innocent:

[Banditbandit]

Milo dominating BBC reporter like a boss.




Your clear support for a self-confessed kiddie fucker and for Putin, while supposedly remaining right wing marks you as an insane person who has no idea what they are saying - much like that orange twit in Washington

Oh yeah .. and add your support for the socialist Bashar al-Assad

[Grumph]

Good grief, even granny BBC got banned.

[pritch]

When it became clear that Trump had won the Presidency but had no intention of following the conventions such as releasing his tax returns and divesting himself of his business interests, it was suggested that the motto of his presidency might well be, "Technically that isn't actually illegal".

After the number of gaffes he has made which then have to be explained away by staff, the latest of which was his statement describing the rounding up of people of Latin heritage as a military operation. The military cannot just operate on US soil, and Spicer subsequently explained it by saying that Trump was referring to the operation proceeding with military precision. The motto of this presidency may well turn out to be, "What he actually meant was..."

Just when you think he couldn't get more crass, I heard from the Washington Post this morning that Trump's business is trying to develop a new cemetery complex in New Jersey. A major selling point being that, if you buy a plot there you could be buried near Donald Trump.

[husaberg]

https://www.freedomsphoenix.com/Uploads/Graphics/004-0814194346-piss-on-grave.jpg

[Grumph]

Just when you think he couldn't get more crass, I heard from the Washington Post this morning that Trump's business is trying to develop a new cemetery complex in New Jersey. A major selling point being that, if you buy a plot there you could be buried near Donald Trump.

And if his body is never recovered - a scenario I see as quite possible - good luck getting your money back.....

[husaberg]

Good grief, even granny BBC got banned.
White House Bars CNN, NYT, LAT, Politico From Briefing


It should sort itself out though as even Fox News has said he got it wrong.

Fox News’s Shep Smith talked about the barring of CNN from the gaggle, and Trump’s repeated reference to that network as “fake news”:
“For the report, ‘fake news’ refers to stories that are created, often by entities pretended to be news organizations, solely to draw clicks and views and and based on nothing of substance,” Smith said on the air. “In short, fake news is made-up nonsense delivered for financial gain. CNN’s reporting was not fake news.”


“Nothing like this has ever happened at the White House in our long history of covering multiple administrations of different parties,” NYT executive editor Dean Baquet said in a statement.
“We strongly protest the exclusion of The New York Times and the other news organizations. Free media access to a transparent government is obviously of crucial national interest.”

“This is an unacceptable development by the Trump White House,” CNN said this afternoon in a statement. “Apparently this is how they retaliate when you report facts they don’t like.
Hes certainly putting the dick into dictator

The reporter who helped expose an infamously paranoid, manipulative and destructive president said Sunday that Richard Nixon had nothing on Donald Trump.
Watergate reporter Carl Bernstein: Trump’s attacks on the press are more dangerous than Nixon’s

“Trump's attacks on the American press as 'enemies of the American people' are more treacherous than Richard Nixon's attacks on the press," former Washington Post reporter Carl Bernstein said Sunday on CNN.
Trump's comments — made publicly, whereas Nixon attacked his enemies in private — brought to mind “dictators and authoritarians, including Stalin, including Hitler," Bernstein said.

[oldrider]

Good grief the world has gone mad - Trump has done nothing much yet but the world is accusing him of everything! :facepalm: - Interesting behaviour! :corn:

Trump may not have done this but he didn't stop it either: http://www.globalresearch.ca/graphic-video-raqqa-city-reduced-to-rubble-by-us-airstrikes-scores-of-residents-killed/5576434 FFS!

[oldrider]

What's behind Trump's tough talk on Iran? - Inside Story - Interesting, for those who are interested! :corn:

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[Brian d marge]

It was easier to dodge the draft when your wealthy, dodging the Vietnam war was a good idea, everyone should have done it.

If NZ hitched up its wagon to the US with another stupid war like that I'd encourage my two sons to go overseas.

( and yes I know we would all be speaking Japanese if that was my view in 1942.....)
Konichiwa genki desu ka ?

sent for a divine source

[pritch]

Konichiwa genki desu ka ?


Some years back I was on a bus, there was an asian couple, I'd have guessed Chinese. A maori guy with a head band that appeared to be inspired by something from the martial arts got on the bus and greeted them, "Konichiwa". Their expression changed just slightly to a low key WTF?

[oldrider]

It was easier to dodge the draft when your wealthy, dodging the Vietnam war was a good idea, everyone should have done it.

If NZ hitched up its wagon to the US with another stupid war like that I'd encourage my two sons to go overseas.

( and yes I know we would all be speaking Japanese if that was my view in 1942.....)

True! - but an enquiring mind would know that America and it's "manipulators" :shutup: engineered that situation (war) as well! (and are still doing it today FFS!) :brick:

[Banditbandit]

Has the Russian mafia laundered it's money by funding Trump?

http://www.palmerreport.com/opinion/money-laundering-russia-donald-trump/1329/

[Woodman]

True! - but an enquiring mind would know that America and it's "manipulators" :shutup: engineered that situation (war) as well! (and are still doing it today FFS!) :brick:

How do you know that the lifestyle we enjoy isn't in some part a result of said manipulations?

[oldrider]

How do you know that the lifestyle we enjoy isn't in some part a result of said manipulations?

It is! - just as is the lifestyle we enjoy is part of the contributions of different NZ governments over the years - it doesn't mean that it couldn't have been different!

Doesn't mean that we have to agree with the way things are or were done either!

Age old question as always - who benefits most? :shifty:

[Grumph]

Yokel to a tee...

[Katman]

Yokel to a tee...

Don't get me wrong, I think Donald Trump is a fucking moron, but do you actually think Hillary Clinton has any higher ethics?

[pritch]

Don't get me wrong, I think Donald Trump is a fucking moron, but do you actually think Hillary Clinton has any higher ethics?

Yes. Although it's only possible to say that in comparison to Trump who has none at all.

[Katman]

Yes.

Well I think you're wrong.

Trump's just more open about his lack of morals.

[Grumph]

Don't get me wrong, I think Donald Trump is a fucking moron, but do you actually think Hillary Clinton has any higher ethics?

Possibly not - neither of us know enough FACTS to accurately judge. But something I said on here a longish time back was that with her you were going to get the straight Democratic policies. That may or may not have been a good thing - but at least the continuity of stable, predictable government would have been nice....And retaining already well established relationshiips with allied countries was one of her aims.
I doubt even Trumps insiders can predict what he's going to do next...

[Katman]

- but at least the continuity of stable, predictable government would have been nice....

:killingme

[pritch]

Trump's just more open about his lack of morals.

I wouldn't trust Clinton as ar as I could kick her, I do believe for example she was running a "pay for play" deal when she was Secretary of State. She could be regarded as more or less sane though.

You can't say that about Trump. He seems to have an emotional age of about three. A word I see used a lot to describe all of the members of his family is "grifters".
Apparently that describes small time conmen. That's certainly how the whole family behave. They may not appear "small time" but we won't find out unless he sells up and repays the billions that he owes.

[Grumph]

Saw an interesting insight on another forum today. A member there is currently in Washington putting some business before both Senate and House committees. The permanent staff and most of those he's dealing with refer to Trump as "the man-child in the White House".

[pritch]

The President is the Commander in Chief of the military although the actual significance of this seems to have escaped Trump. He has caused upset by apparently using the word "they" when referring to the military regarding the loss of Ryan the Navy SEAL recently KIA. If you are the Commander in Chief and you approved the raid it's "we" or even "I".

Somebody should dig out that old sign Truman had on his desk when he was President, "The buck stops here".

[oldrider]

There has been a change at the top but no change yet on the ground - it's business as usual out there destabilising the the Middle East apparently.

At least Trump is right about the double dealing lying Western media - this reporter has been battling to get the truth out for a while now!

Spose she will probably get bumped off for her effort! :facepalm:

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[oldrider]

And the Oscar for Best Documentary Short goes to…”ISIS – Al Qaeda” ?????? http://www.globalresearch.ca/and-the-oscar-for-best-documentary-short-goes-toisis-al-qaeda/5577036

Bloody hell the world is being duped left right and centre! :shifty:

[pritch]

Bloody hell the world is being duped left right and centre! :shifty:

Not least by that Russia Today programme. Hard to say what the truth is when there is such a shit storm of propaganda from all sides.

[pritch]

Trump opens his mouth and shoves in his foot - again. He is now on record as saying that nobody knew how complicated healthcare was. The Washington Post used the word "idiotic" to describe his statement.

I'll offer him a hint - and I don't even live in the USA. The Affordable Care Act (aka "Obama care" ) runs to some 11,000 pages. Anything that big is not simple, and only a complete fuckwit would assume it was.

If you want to check that information, feel free, but don't press print by mistake. That's 22 reams of copy paper right there. :whistle:

[jasonu]

Yes. Although it's only possible to say that in comparison to Trump who has none at all.

Then why do you think Hillary lost?
If the Dems had backed pretty much ANYONE else (even a sack of spuds would have been a better bet than Hillary) they likely would have won. We had probably the two worst POTUS candidates ever and the best of a bad bunch won.

[oldrider]

Then why do you think Hillary lost?
If the Dems had backed pretty much ANYONE else (even a sack of spuds would have been a better bet than Hillary) they likely would have won. We had probably the two worst POTUS candidates ever and the best of a bad bunch won.

I'll drink to that - I believe the real controllers (whoever they are?) are taking the piss! :yes:

Simply proving to themselves how totally fucking stupid and malleable the electorate really is! :blink:

[husaberg]

Then why do you think Hillary lost?
If the Dems had backed pretty much ANYONE else (even a sack of spuds would have been a better bet than Hillary) they likely would have won. We had probably the two worst POTUS candidates ever and the best of a bad bunch won.

It was a popularity contest not a character assessment
I also not that there is a bit of a voting pattern.
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[Katman]

Not least by that Russia Today programme.

Just because you might not like the story they're telling doesn't necessarily make it propaganda.

[Stylo]

Just because you might not like the story they're telling doesn't necessarily make it propaganda.

What's true though is he still hasn't released his tax details, been asked many times ..

Still waiting Donald ......

[oldrider]

What's true though is he still hasn't released his tax details, been asked many times ..

Still waiting Donald ......

Obama didn't produce a valid birth certificate either - still waiting Barack! - Do these things matter any more? Nobody seems to care! :scratch:

[husaberg]

Obama didn't produce a valid birth certificate either - still waiting Barack Do these things matter any more? Nobody seems to care! :scratch:
Whatever........

In April 2011, President Barack Obama sought to put end to rumors claiming that he was not a natural-born citizen of the United States by obtaining and releasing a copy of his long form birth certificate issued by the state of Hawaii. Officials from that state certified that the copy of the certificate they provided to President Obama was authentic:
The Hawaii State Health Department recently complied with a request by President Barack Obama for certified copies of his original Certificate of Live Birth, which is sometimes referred to in the media as a “long form” birth certificate.
“We hope that issuing certified copies of the original Certificate of Live Birth to President Obama will end the numerous inquiries related to his birth in Hawaii,” Hawaii Health Director Loretta Fuddy said. “I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawaii.”
On April 25, 2011, pursuant to President Obama’s request, Director Fuddy personally witnessed the copying of the original Certificate of Live Birth and attested to the authenticity of the two copies. Dr. Alvin Onaka, the State Registrar, certified the
copies.
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[oldrider]

OK eager beaver you missed the point of the post again! :doh:

[husaberg]

OK eager beaver you missed the point of the post again! :doh:


Obama didn't produce a valid birth certificate either - still waiting Barack!

Yeah whatever
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[oldrider]

Obama didn't produce a valid birth certificate either - still waiting Barack! - Do these things matter any more? Nobody seems to care! :scratch:

The point!

[Grumph]

Re Trump's tax returns. I doubt if they'll ever be released volountarily. While it's bad to be thought a tax dodging criminal conman...it's much worse to have it proved.
He'd better hope that they're not on a digital database somewhere as they'd be prime hacker targets.

[pzkpfw]

They aren't keen (Trump tax release):

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/89927001/Republicans-block-bid-to-force-Donald-Trump-to-release-tax-returns

https://thinkprogress.org/229-house-republicans-just-voted-to-keep-trumps-tax-returns-secret-a6843e9a6260#.1prcid3se

[Brian d marge]

Good grief, even granny BBC got banned.
No, the BBC are the biggest bunch of mis informationists there are

They push the agenda so well, any real news is hidden 20 pages deep If you can find it



sent for a divine source

[Brian d marge]

How do you know that the lifestyle we enjoy isn't in some part a result of said manipulations?
It is
Look at your driving licence , then look up capitis dominitus maxima
Excuse spelling ..

Maxima media , and minor .....

Biggest scam ever

sent for a divine source

[Brian d marge]

There has been a change at the top but no change yet on the ground - it's business as usual out there destabilising the the Middle East apparently.

At least Trump is right about the double dealing lying Western media - this reporter has been battling to get the truth out for a while now!

Spose she will probably get bumped off for her effort! :facepalm:

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No change at the top I'm afraid. The boys are still there

sent for a divine source

[Brian d marge]

Trump opens his mouth and shoves in his foot - again. He is now on record as saying that nobody knew how complicated healthcare was. The Washington Post used the word "idiotic" to describe his statement.

I'll offer him a hint - and I don't even live in the USA. The Affordable Care Act (aka "Obama care" ) runs to some 11,000 pages. Anything that big is not simple, and only a complete fuckwit would assume it was.

If you want to check that information, feel free, but don't press print by mistake. That's 22 reams of copy paper right there. :whistle:
By design
Introduced at the eleventh hour , just before senate Hollidays

With lots of garbage English , resulting in the great case of tooks court , a positive doddle

Tis how it's done

How's Nick Smith and his water going?

sent for a divine source

[pritch]

Wanker!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-speech-military-outfit-criticism-veterans-us-navy-a7609471.html

[jasonu]

Wanker!

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-speech-military-outfit-criticism-veterans-us-navy-a7609471.html

Bit of a reach old chap, all the prez's wear that stuff when visiting the military.
Really though, are you sure you don't work for MSNBC?

[Grumph]

I see Trump's now claiming the Dems tapped his phones during the campaign...why would you bother, just watch Twitter...

It would be nicely ironic - and circular - if he has been told by the Russians that there's something in the hacked Dem emails which would suggest tapping...

[pritch]

Bit of a reach old chap, all the prez's wear that stuff when visiting the military.
Really though, are you sure you don't work for MSNBC?

In the USA wearing medals or insignia to which you are not entitled is referred to as "stolen valor". (Note I have used the funny US spelling.) While Trumps dressing himself in this particular clown suit is at the low end of the scale it still fits the pattern. As does his accepting a Purple Heart from a veteran. Genuine veterans tend to be offended as was mentioned in that article.

In Britain the Walter Mitty Hunters Club tracks down imposters and "bloaters". Down under there is the ANZMI website. There is probably something similar in the US but I haven't come across it. A visit to either site will confirm the prevailing attitude of people who did serve.

[oldrider]

In the USA wearing medals or insignia to which you are not entitled is referred to as "stolen valor". (Note I have used the funny US spelling.) While Trumps dressing himself in this particular clown suit is at the low end of the scale it still fits the pattern. As does his accepting a Purple Heart from a veteran. Genuine veterans tend to be offended as was mentioned in that article.

In Britain the Walter Mitty Hunters Club tracks down imposters and "bloaters". Down under there is the ANZMI website. There is probably something similar in the US but I haven't come across it. A visit to either site will confirm the prevailing attitude of people who did serve.

It used to make me want to puke every time I saw that useless POS George W Bush posing as the Commander in Chief FFS! :puke: (No change here for Trump!)

[jasonu]

In the USA wearing medals or insignia to which you are not entitled is referred to as "stolen valor". (Note I have used the funny US spelling.) While Trumps dressing himself in this particular clown suit is at the low end of the scale it still fits the pattern. As does his accepting a Purple Heart from a veteran. Genuine veterans tend to be offended as was mentioned in that article.



Cobblers. When he landed on the ship the captain gave him the jacket and hat as a gift to take home. Trump said he would like to wear them on the ship and was given the captains blessing and actually received a standing ovation from the ships crew when he told them. No harm no foul. He wore a jacket and hat presented to him by the ships command. Many presidents have done the exact same thing. The only ones offended are the same pack of sore losers who still haven't got over the election results and sit glued to their tv/computer just waiting for something/anything to whinge at.

[bogan]

The only ones offended are the same pack of sore losers who still haven't got over the election results and sit glued to their tv/computer just waiting for something/anything to whinge at.

Do you think that number is increasing or decreasing?

[jasonu]

Do you think that number is increasing or decreasing?

It depends on which news outlet you choose to listen to...

Honestly mate I don't know. The core whingers always make the news and make the most noise so it is hard to tell. I am just glad that old shrew Clinton didn't get in. Hopefully Trump will come right and make a good prez.

[pritch]

Cobblers. When he landed on the ship the captain gave him the jacket and hat as a gift to take home. Trump said he would like to wear them on the ship and was given the captains blessing and actually received a standing ovation from the ships crew when he told them. No harm no foul. He wore a jacket and hat presented to him by the ships command. Many presidents have done the exact same thing. The only ones offended are the same pack of sore losers who still haven't got over the election results and sit glued to their tv/computer just waiting for something/anything to whinge at.

Did you actually read the newspaper item?

Trump had his chance to be in the military but he blew it - five times. Recently he planned his first military operation over dinner with his son in law - and they blew that. Then he tried to blame his fuck up on the Generals. Why anyone in the military would want to dress him up is beyond me but I can see why veterans would not be thrilled.

Nobody has to sit at their computer waiting, President Head Case just keeps the headlines coming.

[jasonu]

Did you actually read the newspaper item?

.

I watched it live on TV. (before an agenda filled news outlet printed a slanted version...)
There was no negative comments from the many press or military people present.

[pritch]

I watched it live on TV. (before an agenda filled news outlet printed a slanted version...)
There was no negative comments from the many press or military people present.

Well it's like this: that news item referred to some veterans groups not liking Trump playing military dress-up when he was a five time draft dodger. Since you didn't read it you had no idea what I was talking about. Or consequently what you were talking about. That's just too silly, you can join Cassina on "ignore".

[oldrider]

They did this!:http://www.globalresearch.ca/syria-who-is-behind-the-protest-movement-fabricating-a-pretext-for-a-us-nato-humanitarian-intervention/24591 Common practice and behaviour of the real terrorists of the world! :shifty:

Main stream media made sure that the world only learned about these conflicts according to what Washington and her allies intended in order to support their destabilising programs intentions! - Who indeed are the real terrorists in the world and will the advent of Trump as president change anything? :no: Not very likely! :oi-grr:

[oldrider]

Israel’s Welcome now Reserved only for Jews who Back Netanyahu: http://www.globalresearch.ca/israels-welcome-now-reserved-only-for-jews-who-back-netanyahu/5578290 :shifty: - :corn:

[Stylo]

Funny how the majority of the top end Republicans have that ' completely bewildered' look about them when they get interviewed by major Networks, including Fox now. Like they have no idea what's going to happen when Trump gets up tomorrow and starts tweeting another set of childish accusations, shooting from the hip as he always has . It'd be good if they switched from damage control mode to actually focusing on the real issues.

Drumph is a runaway train, China is watching him closely and Putin is laughing as he pours another Vodka.

[Grumph]

Funny how the majority of the top end Republicans have that ' completely bewildered' look about them when they get interviewed by major Networks, including Fox now. Like they have no idea what's going to happen when Trump gets up tomorrow and starts tweeting another set of childish accusations, shooting from the hip as he always has . It'd be good if they switched from damage control mode to actually focusing on the real issues.

Drumph is a runaway train, China is watching him closely and Putin is laughing as he pours another Vodka.

And North Korea sees an opportunity to catch everyone by surprise.....

[oldrider]

Earl of Balfour Calls for Palestinian State to Honour Ancestor’s Declaration: http://www.globalresearch.ca/earl-of-balfour-calls-for-palestinian-state-to-honour-ancestors-declaration/5576779?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles :Oops:

[Brian d marge]

Earl of Balfour Calls for Palestinian State to Honour Ancestor’s Declaration: http://www.globalresearch.ca/earl-of-balfour-calls-for-palestinian-state-to-honour-ancestors-declaration/5576779?utm_campaign=magnet&utm_source=article_page&utm_medium=related_articles :Oops:
Splutter cough spit
...Wtf
He was in on the game and twas him that put his name to the consentration camp

The fker

sent for a divine source

[oldrider]

Splutter cough spit
...Wtf
He was in on the game and twas him that put his name to the concentration camp

The fker

sent for a divine source

Sins of the fathers etc :innocent: - would've thought he would rather butt out of any association with that deal but he has claimed it boots and all. :stupid:

[yokel]

Shits getting quite interesting.
Obama for prison 2017!


https://youtu.be/XNF90pRfk9g

[Grumph]

When you look at that shit, just remember that a known tactic of Trump's when pressured is to accuse, accuse and stir up as much diversionary shit as possible...

And he still isn't answering questions on his taxes or revealing his dealings in Russia.

[pzkpfw]

When you look at that shit, just remember that a known tactic of Trump's when pressured is to accuse, accuse and stir up as much diversionary shit as possible...

And he still isn't answering questions on his taxes or revealing his dealings in Russia.

And Azerbaijan?

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal

(Sorry if already noted in this thread.)

[Grumph]

Looks like that's where he's going to fall foul of the "Foreign Corrupt Practices Act". He was publicly very much against it when it came in, saying that it would kill the ability to do business with those countries - and in an interview as good as admitting that's how he worked...

Now, he was allowed to do business like that in Russia and Azerbaijan with the knowledge and assistance of the Russian govt...

If it has continued - and the Russians will know about it - they've got him over a barrel. If it comes out with proof, he's up for high treason.

I see that the third episode of a series on this dealing in Azerbaijan is due out in a day or so, detailing how the Russian influence on Trump's team has continued post election.

[husaberg]

When you look at that shit, just remember that a known tactic of Trump's when pressured is to accuse, accuse and stir up as much diversionary shit as possible...

And he still isn't answering questions on his taxes or revealing his dealings in Russia.

Not to mention Cuba, he doesn't even appear say enough to have set up blind trusts.

[oldrider]

Trump Invades Syria: http://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-invades-syria/5578671 Trump probably doesn't know he has done this! :scratch: - If he has done it! :confused:

[Grumph]

I don't know if that's it - because none of your links open for me - but the Americans on another forum are saying that Trump and his son in law tried planning something military and it failed...and apparently the Navy SEAL widow at the recent speech to the House had lost her husband in that action...

I see also that his appointee to the EPA is following the Trump line on global warning - "it's all a hoax" - and is denying the science.
The question now is whether the Paris accord will fall over - even China is looking to sort out it's pollution, FFS.
I would also assume that places like Canada, Oz and us can expect another wave of US scientist immigrants...
His effect on the US scientific community is very similar to the exodus from Germany prior to WW2.

[yokel]

Yes liberalism is a mental illness.


https://youtu.be/647Bkhx2gEo

[oldrider]

What happened the first time round?

Why did USA invade Syria and why did Russia interfere? - See more at: http://www.pravdareport.com/hotspots/conflicts/12-12-2016/136392-usa_syria-0/#sthash.xGS32yPI.dpuf

And now it appears the USA has returned to invade Syria again - why? http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/03/marines-syria-170309014847784.html

Supposedly to help defeat ISIS - the force that they (USA) created and armed? :rolleyes:

What happens when ISIS are defeated? - will they withdraw quietly? :no:

Will they demand Assad's removal? - or do they actually want to antagonise an outright confrontation (read war!) with Russia?

And main stream media is very quiet about all this! - is such an event not big news to the world? - :corn:

[Zedder]

I don't know if that's it - because none of your links open for me - but the Americans on another forum are saying that Trump and his son in law tried planning something military and it failed...and apparently the Navy SEAL widow at the recent speech to the House had lost her husband in that action...

I see also that his appointee to the EPA is following the Trump line on global warning - "it's all a hoax" - and is denying the science.
The question now is whether the Paris accord will fall over - even China is looking to sort out it's pollution, FFS.
I would also assume that places like Canada, Oz and us can expect another wave of US scientist immigrants...
His effect on the US scientific community is very similar to the exodus from Germany prior to WW2.


This Trump supporter seems well involved in NZ already: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=11814904

[Stylo]

Simply by association it would appear he's a dodgy character and there's a plan b hidden somewhere up his sleeve.

[pritch]

Trump Invades Syria: http://www.globalresearch.ca/trump-invades-syria/5578671 Trump probably doesn't know he has done this! :scratch: - If he has done it! :confused:

It has been reported, it has been on radio or TV here and I've seen an article on the guns. I thought they might have been 155mm "Long Toms" but although these look similar they can fire a GPS guided shell some 25 miles.

I hope his foray into Syria is vastly more organised than his fuck-up in Yemen.

https://theintercept.com/2017/03/09/women-and-children-in-yemeni-village-recall-horror-of-trumps-highly-successful-seal-raid/

Conspiracy theorists need not bother reading that article - it's too long.

[Grumph]

This Trump supporter seems well involved in NZ already:

NZ's his bolt-hole for when the US populace come looking for Trump team members with pitchforks....

Probably turn into another Kimdotcom extradition saga.....

[pritch]

NZ's his bolt-hole for when the US populace come looking for Trump team members with pitchforks....

Probably turn into another Kimdotcom extradition saga.....

The papers here will be scared to say too much about him. He has put one news organisation out of business by bankrolling other people's law suits against it.
Gawker outed him as gay after he told them not to. He said he would destroy them and he did.

[Zedder]

The papers here will be scared to say too much about him.


Four articles by the Herald is quite a good amount of information.

[pritch]

Four articles by the Herald is quite a good amount of information.

The Herald could have four articles on anything and nobody would be any the wiser. I will see what they had to say.

[oldrider]

Hmmm - it seems you can never be too far away from these cunts can you? :facepalm:

[Zedder]

The Herald could have four articles on anything and nobody would be any the wiser. I will see what they had to say.



Cool, it's always good to read up before you comment.

There's info in stuff about him as well plus the National Business Review.

[pritch]

Cool, it's always good to read up before you comment.
.


I had read some local reports but hadn't read anything other than some questions about his "unusual" citizenship process. I had another look but found nowt new.
Years ago the NZ Herald was described as one of the great papers of the Commonwealth. Those days are long gone.

Decades ago now I subscribed to the NBR but it's behind a paywall now. Paywalls are becoming increasingly common and for some time I have been considering which papers/magazines I will subscribe to. So far no NZ publications make the necessarily short list even though I'm aware that local news coverage is a bulwark against corruption. The presence of a reporter at council meetings prevents a lot of dodgy deals taking place. If they go...

Thiel is an interesting guy, he's super bright, and it seems there is a nasty streak. His political motivation remains a mystery. Still, I don't expect to be visiting him in his fall out shelter at Wanaka.

[Zedder]

Years ago the NZ Herald was described as one of the great papers of the Commonwealth. Those days are long gone.

Decades ago now I subscribed to the NBR but it's behind a paywall now.


I've seen the NZ Herald described as "Granny Herald" about 20 years ago with its center-right political stance however, since its change of ownership in 1996, it's moved on.

Interestingly enough, the NBR article on Peter Thiel isn't behind a pay wall: https://www.nbr.co.nz/article/thiel-has-been-nz-citizen-2011-dia-ck-198782

[yokel]

Big brother(CIA) is watching.


https://youtu.be/fCZBnUt6rZ0

[Brian d marge]

CIA is old news , I posted Google's terms and conditions at least a year ago
Says quite clearly they have the right to spy

This spying is a cover for bigger spending on surveillance

Oh we need to update​ our computers, it will cost billions but we need to because of the hacking, Russians , fijian liberation front

sent for a divine source

[oldrider]

The Ever-Growing List of ADMITTED False Flag Attacks? - http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-ever-growing-list-of-admitted-false-flag-attacks/5578473 or not? :scratch:

[Quote]The following instances are carefully documented by the author indicating sources and references.
Some of the instances presented are subject to debate :argue: and interpretation (GR Editor)[unquote] :corn: Interesting.

[Voltaire]

I see on the 6 O'clock News ( too busy doing house DIY and fixing old bikes to seek out real news) that there is a humanitarian disaster unfolding in Yemen , 14 million. perhaps the Headchoppers might like to contribute or their arms suppliers the Brits and Yanks.

[Katman]

I see on the 6 O'clock News ( too busy doing house DIY and fixing old bikes to seek out real news) that there is a humanitarian disaster unfolding in Yemen , 14 million. perhaps the Headchoppers might like to contribute or their arms suppliers the Brits and Yanks.

I suspect it's all part of the plan.

[Voltaire]

I suspect it's all part of the plan.

But Donald thinks he's calling the shots....

[Katman]

But Donald thinks he's calling the shots....

Donald's not very bright.

[Voltaire]

Donald's not very bright.

How come I'm not a billionaire then :(

[Katman]

How come I'm not a billionaire then :(

It's possible you're even dumber than Donald.

[Voltaire]

It's possible you're even dumber than Donald.

Sounds like fake news to me.:baby:

[Grumph]

I see that the Donald - and the stooge he's put in as EPA head - want to increase the ethanol content of fuel in the US.
They're claiming it's greener...
What is happening of course is that it's corn based ethanol - and it's the farmers lobby which is driving it.
Corn based ethanol is one of the least efficient ways of producing the stuff and the EPA and the Obama administration had started to scale back the ethanol content in fuels - which was NOT popular in the farming states....

I'm watching yanks screaming that the farmers should be producing food - not ethanol. So much for draining the swamp....

[Voltaire]

I think swamp draining has been given to Trump Swamp Drainers Inc.

[jasonu]

Sounds like fake news to me.:baby:

Alternate facts...

[Grumph]

I think swamp draining has been given to Trump Swamp Drainers Inc.

A private company registered in Azerbaijan ?

[Banditbandit]

A private company registered in Azerbaijan ?

Just over the boarder from his clone factory producing the next Mrs Trump ...

[oldrider]

Interesting? - for those that might be interested! :rolleyes: - or not! :confused: - :wait:

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[Banditbandit]

How come I'm not a billionaire then :(

Trump was born to a rich family - he inherited the money - and has not increased it - in fact he is technically bankrupt (and morally bankrupt too)

[husaberg]

Trump was born to a rich family - he inherited the money - and has not increased it - in fact he is technically bankrupt (and morally bankrupt too)

Dude it was a small loan (of a million Dollars:shutup:)
Every dog has its day but i suspect Donald already has rabbies.

[Stylo]

And there's evidently some arseholes from this country too that are paid far too much to cover for the orange liar with a mouth like a blow up doll ....

http://www.radionz.co.nz/news/political/326682/nzer-in-trump's-inner-circle-accused-of-conflict-of-interest

[pete376403]

Part of Trumps 2005 tax return has been leaked to the media. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/14/donald-trump-tax-return-leaked-alternative-minimum

Most of the tax paid was an "alternative minimum" which Trump had said he would repeal. The remaining $5.3 million is federal tax on a declared income of $150mill

[Brian d marge]

only 50 days past
I get the feeling he has realized there is something .... ( hamlet act 1 scene 4 , Marcellus to Horatio )

he is starting to pull his head in , more in tune with the neocons ,

Still he has a picture of Andrew Jackson on the wall and has changed the curtains to gold from what I have heard. If he continues , a massive headache may await

as it did for the last 4? presidents who rocked the monetary boat .....

[oldrider]

only 50 days past
I get the feeling he has realized there is something .... ( hamlet act 1 scene 4 , Marcellus to Horatio )

he is starting to pull his head in , more in tune with the neocons ,

Still he has a picture of Andrew Jackson on the wall and has changed the curtains to gold from what I have heard. If he continues , a massive headache may await

as it did for the last 4? presidents who rocked the monetary boat .....

True - he is full of promise - but with his total outpouring of love for Israel and everything Zion is he trying to have a bob each way and keep "everybody" just guessing?

Personally at this stage I think he is well under control but I just can't help feeling a smidgion of optimism and hope that he might yet be the real deal! :facepalm:

There is nothing else offering at the table anyway! :rolleyes:

[Katman]

There is nothing else offering at the table anyway! :rolleyes:

Wouldn't it be great if Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul and Jill Stein all got together and turned American politics on it's ear.

[oldrider]

Wouldn't it be great if Bernie Sanders, Ron Paul and Jill Stein all got together and turned American politics on it's ear.

First they would need to retrieve the right for the country to control it's own money supply from the federal reserve for that to happen!

Think back on American history and all the bloodshed that it took for them (the banking cartel) to get it set up in their current favour!

They wont let it go without a fight and the people who need it most have got no bloody idea what it is that they would be fighting for!

That is why we have the the situation we have got! - Knowledge is power and they hold and play all the aces in the pack! :brick:

[Katman]

That is why we have the the situation we have got! - Knowledge is power and they hold and play all the aces in the pack! :brick:

Aces are only 4 cards in a pack.

[Banditbandit]

First they would need to retrieve the right for the country to control it's own money supply from the federal reserve for that to happen!

Think back on American history and all the bloodshed that it took for them (the banking cartel) to get it set up in their current favour!

They wont let it go without a fight and the people who need it most have got no bloody idea what it is that they would be fighting for!

That is why we have the the situation we have got! - Knowledge is power and they hold and play all the aces in the pack! :brick:



Trump is not controlled by the money men in the US. They won't even loan him money to bail him out - he had to turn to Deutsche Bank for that - and they deal in Russian mafia money - laundering it through people like Trump.

[pritch]

T and they deal in Russian mafia money - laundering it through people like Trump.

Then there was the famous real estate deal where an oligarch paid Trump a $US60,000,000 profit on a house, making that house the most expensive house in US history. That deal got Trump out of deep financial shit at the time. Remarkably it seems the house has since been bulldozed. None of which makes much sense unless money laundering was in play?

Deutchbank were fined millions by the US Govt under Obama. Trump is in hock to Deutchbank for millions. Be interesting to see if the penalty comes up for review?

[Katman]

Just who is the real threat?

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[pete376403]

Seems appropriate, Chihuahuas being Mexican and all: https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/1463532413739808/

[Grumph]

So, Trump tells Merkel she was bugged by Obama too...Sounds like the punchline to a drunken joke.

He seems to believe that the US magically changed into a different country as soon as he assumed office - with no responsibility for anything which had gone before. It's irrelevant whether or not she was bugged, he should be working with his agencies not against them.

But I suppose if you're getting your intel from Breitbart and Fox, it's understandable...

[oldrider]

So, Trump tells Merkel she was bugged by Obama too...Sounds like the punchline to a drunken joke.

He seems to believe that the US magically changed into a different country as soon as he assumed office - with no responsibility for anything which had gone before. It's irrelevant whether or not she was bugged, he should be working with his agencies not against them.

But I suppose if you're getting your intel from Breitbart and Fox, it's understandable...

True damn it!

If you were the one orchestrating all of this you would be laughing yourself sick at how gullible the world is! :nya:

Unfortunately someone else is and it's not us - we are unwittingly amongst their bloody victims! :doh:

Conspiracy theory? - if they want to call it that - sure, that will do for something to distract us from thinking about what is really going on! :niceone:

[Katman]

So, Trump tells Merkel she was bugged by Obama too...Sounds like the punchline to a drunken joke.

You do know that Obama approved the bugging of Angela Merkel's phone, don't you?

[Grumph]

You do know that Obama approved the bugging of Angela Merkel's phone, don't you?

Yes - and I must assume that she is too - and that it's probably still bugged. So what ? that's normal international relations in this day and age...

Where Trump is trying it on is because he's a US citizen - and Obama's team have already declared they didn't bug US citizens. He's saying he was treated as an enemy of the state. IMO he should have been too, LOL.

And yes, I'm aware there is a statement coming out shortly from the Senate regarding the alleged bugging of Trump tower.

Wouldn't surpise me to find that it was bugged - but by the Republican party to try and find ouit what the idiot was going to do next....

[husaberg]

Yes - and I must assume that she is too - and that it's probably still bugged. So what ? that's normal international relations in this day and age...

Where Trump is trying it on is because he's a US citizen - and Obama's team have already declared they didn't bug US citizens. He's saying he was treated as an enemy of the state. IMO he should have been too, LOL.

And yes, I'm aware there is a statement coming out shortly from the Senate regarding the alleged bugging of Trump tower.

Wouldn't surpise me to find that it was bugged - but by the Republican party to try and find ouit what the idiot was going to do next....

I would be surprised if she wasn't aware of it especially since Obama personally apologised to her for it 4 years ago.:innocent:
Its really funny the indignation being expressed considering the whole world does it, it’s just the Americans are generally better at it.
Trump is just trying to create a diversion to cover his own gross ineptitude.
He will demand documents yet at the same time still fails to release his own tax returns and financial statements.

[Katman]

Yes - and I must assume that she is too - and that it's probably still bugged. So what ? that's normal international relations in this day and age...

If someone bugged your phone would your response still be 'So what'?

[Brian d marge]

If someone bugged your phone would your response still be 'So what'?
U married?


sent for a divine source

[pritch]

Funny thing about politicians. They are aware that we are all potentially subject to surveillance but that's fine with them. The only time they get upset is when they find out they themselves have been the subject of it. Or in Trump's case, he just thinks he is 'cause he saw it on cable TV.

[Grumph]

If someone bugged your phone would your response still be 'So what'?

Shit yes...I'm old enough to remember party lines and how you got used to everything being overheard. Actually, I'd be flattered someone was interested enough to bother....

You'd have to think that every politician in the world has come to terms with the probability of being listened to all the time - and got used to it.

I tend to agree with Husa - Either Trump is making noise to distract or he's just simply an ignorant nutjob. Could of course be both...

[Katman]

Shit yes...I'm old enough to remember party lines and how you got used to everything being overheard. Actually, I'd be flattered someone was interested enough to bother....

I suppose you also subscribe to the 'If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear' theory.

[Grumph]

I suppose you also subscribe to the 'If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear' theory.

Quite true in my case - and i'm too old to be embarrassed by anything i may have done in my youth, LOL...

In your case i suspect that the cash jobs off the shop books, and worry about the IRD, may be at the root of your paranoia.

[husaberg]

In your case i suspect that the cash jobs off the shop books, and worry about the IRD, may be at the root of your paranoia.

And yet there will still be many on here that will view all those events as nothing more than unconnected coincidences instead of a carefully choreographed series of events.
Pretty sure it would entail a much longer list to cover all Katmans paranoid delusions.
here is a few to start
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/181552-Human-microchip
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/174599-Alternative-fuels
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/161517-Are-the-NZ-police-for-real
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/151856-Made-in-China
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/110276-Mods
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/181959-Nato
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/158249-Boston-bombing
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178730-So-how-much-do-you-know-about-Geo-Engineering
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/172993-The-War-on-Terror
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/177417-Oregon-stand-off


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENPyRc238OU

[Katman]

Quite true in my case - and i'm too old to be embarrassed by anything i may have done in my youth, LOL...

So what about when a government decides that any form of dissent is to be stamped out?


In your case i suspect that the cash jobs off the shop books, and worry about the IRD, may be at the root of your paranoia.

Then you would suspect wrong.

[pritch]

So what about when a government decides that any form of dissent is to be stamped out?


Well it's a bit before my time, but NZ had that in 1953 during the waterfront dispute. The National Government made possession of a Gestetner machine an offence. (For the young people a Gestetner was a machine that permitted multiple prints from a master copy. ) The only permitted view was intended to be the official Government view.

Hard to imagine the government pulling a stroke like that now that every home has a printer. Doesn't meant they wouldn't like to try?

[Voltaire]

Pretty sure it would entail a much longer list to cover all Katmans paranoid delusions.
here is a few to start
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/181552-Human-microchip
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/174599-Alternative-fuels
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/161517-Are-the-NZ-police-for-real
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/151856-Made-in-China
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/110276-Mods
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/181959-Nato
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/178730-So-how-much-do-you-know-about-Geo-Engineering
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/172993-The-War-on-Terror
https://www.kiwibiker.co.nz/forums/showthread.php/177417-Oregon-stand-off


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENPyRc238OU


Nice to know someone is cataloging all of Katmans posts.....:eek:

[Katman]

Nice to know someone is cataloging all of Katmans posts.....:eek:

I give his life meaning.

[husaberg]

Nice to know someone is cataloging all of Katmans posts.....:eek:

I got them from a Jewish mate in the NSA/CIA/FBI/GSB/FKSS
or i could have just typed into google "katman conspiracy kiwibiker" posted the first few i seen.;)
katman clearly already knows Google is spying on him as part of the jewish/shapeshifting lizard Alien conspiracy.

[Ocean1]

Well it's a bit before my time, but NZ had that in 1953 during the waterfront dispute. The National Government made possession of a Gestetner machine an offence. (For the young people a Gestetner was a machine that permitted multiple prints from a master copy. ) The only permitted view was intended to be the official Government view.

Hard to imagine the government pulling a stroke like that now that every home has a printer. Doesn't meant they wouldn't like to try?

Y'know, the one thing that's become obvious since everyone was allowed the freedom to express their opinions and afforded the means to do so easily is that very few of them are actually worth the effort.




Present company excepted of course.

[husaberg]

Y'know, the one thing that's become obvious since everyone was allowed the freedom to express their opinions and afforded the means to do so easily is that very few of them are actually worth the effort.
Present company excepted of course.

"An idiot with a computer is a faster, better idiot." (Rich Julius)
"Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." (Elbert Hubbard)

[TheDemonLord]

I suppose you also subscribe to the 'If you've got nothing to hide, you've got nothing to fear' theory.

Fuck....

I'm agreeing with Katman....

Also - Relephant Musical choices:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUCRFMZ-hiY


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yzM8NYBBpIA

[pritch]

Donald in the naughty corner...

[husaberg]

Donald in the naughty corner...

It makes this tweet even funnier.
329368
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/819164172781060096?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

I am picking it might be this one that impeaches him though.
329369
http://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/russian-elite-100-million-dollars-donald-trump-reuters-property-development-sunny-isles-gil-dezer-a7636471.html
http://dailycaller.com/2017/03/17/photos-trump-dossier-source-met-with-kremlin-crony-at-russian-expo/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/russia-is-trumps-watergate-will-he-react-like-nixon/2017/03/17/86255c12-0a93-11e7-a15f-a58d4a988474_story.html?utm_term=.03e2b97394ff

[Brian d marge]

Look at the history of the CIA Allan Dullis ( sorry not sure of spelling)... The Nazi party never went away....
While we are at is also who started what, bilderburg, etc ..You will find a whole lot of top Nazi party people. ..

come on party people ,here we go . Everybody say. ... hoe

BTW guess who helped the buggers escape during the war..... Thank you Rome ...And Mike pence is........ Bingo

sent for a divine source

[Grumph]

PM's response to being accused of bugging Trump...

[Grumph]

Look at the history of the CIA Allan Dullis ( sorry not sure of spelling)... The Nazi party never went away....
While we are at is also who started what, bilderburg, etc ..You will find a whole lot of top Nazi party people. ..

come on party people ,here we go . Everybody say. ... hoe

BTW guess who helped the buggers escape during the war..... Thank you Rome ...And Mike pence is........ Bingo

sent for a divine source

Dulles was a master of realpolitik - he would work with and co-opt anyone who could assist in the fight against Russia.

Pense is now described as an Evangelical Christian - ie from what i can see, even further into dogma and repression than the Catholic Church.
From what i've read he thinks the current Pope is pretty much a Commie...

[Brian d marge]

Dulles was a master of realpolitik - he would work with and co-opt anyone who could assist in the fight against Russia.

Pense is now described as an Evangelical Christian - ie from what i can see, even further into dogma and repression than the Catholic Church.
From what i've read he thinks the current Pope is pretty much a Commie...
Listen, even to pences discription of himself
Straight out of Vatican 2

Wether Trump knows who are pulling the strings , I don't know

I suspect he has just realized

Whatcha that New York dinner where he roasted Hilary..

The audience booed him. At that point I think he " may" have been his own man

Not so sure now

But first 100 days then we will see

sent for a divine source

[husaberg]

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Trumps tweets

Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!"
"Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!"
"I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!"
"How low has President Obama gone to tapp [sic] my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!"




Carlson: So on March 4th, 6:35 in the morning, you’re down in Florida, and you tweet, the former administration wiretapped me, surveilled me, at Trump Tower during the last election. How did you find out? You said, I just found out. How did you learn that?

Trump: Well, I’ve been reading about things. I read in, I think it was Jan. 20th, a New York Times article where they were talking about wiretapping. There was an article. I think they used that exact term. I read other things. I watched your friend Bret Baier the day previous where he was talking about certain very complex sets of things happening, and wiretapping. I said, wait a minute, there’s a lot of wiretapping being talked about. I’ve been seeing a lot of things. Now, for the most part, I’m not going to discuss it, because we have it before the committee and we will be submitting things before the committee very soon that hasn’t been submitted as of yet. But it’s potentially a very serious situation.

Carlson: Why not wait to tweet about it until you can prove it? Don’t you devalue your words when you can’t provide evidence?

Trump: Well, because the New York Times wrote about it. Not that I respect the New York Times. I call it the failing New York Times. But they did write on Jan. 20th using the word wiretap. Other people have come out with…

Carlson: Right, but you’re the president. You have the ability to gather all the evidence you want.

Trump: I do. I do. But I think that frankly we have a lot right now. And I think if you watch—if you watched the Bret Baier and what he was saying and what he was talking about and how he mentioned the word “wiretap,” you would feel very confident that you could mention the name. He mentioned it. And other people have mentioned it. But if you take a look at some of the things written about wiretapping and eavesdropping… and don’t forget I say wiretapping, those words were in quotes. That really covers—because wiretapping is pretty old-fashioned stuff—but that really covers surveillance and many other things. And nobody ever talks about the fact that it was in quotes, but that’s a very important thing. But wire tape covers a lot of different things. I think you’re going to find some very interesting items coming to the forefront over the next two weeks.


Rep. Adam Schiff, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said Wednesday that he had “seen no evidence of illegality of any electronic surveillance” and that “there was no substance to the accusation that President Obama wiretapped Trump Tower.”

Holly shit tha guy is completly unhinged.
The same very paper he claimed was writting total fiction. 2 weeks previously.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-tweets-about-new-york-times-total-fiction-concerning-me/
Note the were not even talking about him being wire tapped either he just formed that opinion on his own.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/828642511698669569

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/3/15/1643907/-Trump-Is-Insane
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Wait theres more

spokesman for House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) threatened to subpoena the Trump administration to produce evidence of Trump's claim that President Barack Obama wiretapped Trump Tower during the campaign.
The White House has declined to produce this evidence publicly, offering various excuses, including the Constitution's separation of powers and — most recently on Monday — arguing that Trump wasn't speaking literally when he made the claim.
The Justice Department missed Nunes's deadline to provide evidence, which drew Nunes's subpoena threat.
“If the committee does not receive a response, the committee will ask for this information during the March 20 hearing and may resort to a compulsory process if our questions continue to go unanswered,” Nunes spokesman Jack Langer said.

Trumps spokesman Spicer is now desperately trying to weasle out of it

White House spokesman Sean Spicer tried to clarify Trump's comments Monday, saying the president wasn't using the word wiretapping literally, noting that Trump had put the term in quotation marks.
"The president used the word wiretap in quotes to mean broadly surveillance and other activities," Spicer said. He also suggested Trump wasn't accusing former President Barack Obama specifically, but instead referring to the actions of the Obama administration

Yet he clearly did Whoops.

Terrible! Just found out that Obama had my "wires tapped" in Trump Tower just before the victory. Nothing found. This is McCarthyism!"
"Is it legal for a sitting President to be "wire tapping" a race for president prior to an election? Turned down by court earlier. A NEW LOW!"
"I'd bet a good lawyer could make a great case out of the fact that President Obama was tapping my phones in October, just prior to Election!"
"How low has President Obama gone to tapp [sic] my phones during the very sacred election process. This is Nixon/Watergate. Bad (or sick) guy!"

[Katman]

Holly shit tha guy is completly unhinged.


Do you recognise a kindred spirit?

[husaberg]

Do you recognise a kindred spirit?

Lets see trumps a narcissistic buffoon that gullibly believes every conspiracy going.
He also makes outrageous and often racist statements yet can't produce facts to back them up or answer questions
Gee who would that remind me of.
http://i.makeagif.com/media/3-19-2017/qgK_in.gif

[TheDemonLord]

Lets see trumps a narcissistic buffoon that gullibly believes every conspiracy going.
He also makes outrageous and often racist statements yet can't produce facts to back them up or answer questions
Gee who would that remind me of.

Except for a few wee exceptions - you know, being a Billionaire, declaring bankruptcy and then making it all back again.

I'm still undecided on Trump - he is either incredibly Lucky (possible, but implausible) or is truly Machiavellian (possible but equally implausible)

[husaberg]

Except for a few wee exceptions - you know, being a Billionaire, declaring bankruptcy and then making it all back again.

I'm still undecided on Trump - he is either incredibly Lucky (possible, but implausible) or is truly Machiavellian (possible but equally implausible)

Oh yeah the less successful sibbling then.
or hes just a silverspooned git, a BS artist yanks lap that stuff up kardasians style.

[TheDemonLord]

Oh yeah the less successful sibbling then.
or hes just a silverspooned git, a BS artist yanks lap that stuff up kardasians style.

But that's my point - celeb status only gets you so far - depending on which estimate you use each Kardishian is worth something between 50-100 Million - which is sight short of Trumps 3.7 Billion.

He's survived and what is more, Thrived in the world of Big Business - which is as cutthroat and ruthless as is legally possible. If he was some naive buffoon then he'd be much further down the pecking order - so either he's the Luckiest SoB or there is more to the Don than meets the eye.

As I said though - I am still undecided

[husaberg]

But that's my point - celeb status only gets you so far - depending on which estimate you use each Kardishian is worth something between 50-100 Million - which is sight short of Trumps 3.7 Billion.

He's survived and what is more, Thrived in the world of Big Business - which is as cutthroat and ruthless as is legally possible. If he was some naive buffoon then he'd be much further down the pecking order - so either he's the Luckiest SoB or there is more to the Don than meets the eye.

As I said though - I am still undecided
Donald Trump received a lot of financial support from his father — in addition to a large inheritance.
His worth appears to be built on capitial gains in the New York real esate market.
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He got massive loan guarantees he received from his father. If someone guarantees a loan to buy very expensive dollar building, then you can buy that building, take the equity in that building and benefit from the building's appreciation in value with very little of the downside. So you can turn a small amount of equity into a huge fortune really quickly if the building appreciates. On top of that Trump actually got loans to purchase buildings from his father, so between the loans, the loan guarantees and the inheritance it allowed him to do many things that most people can't do — to quickly buy very expensive buildings for very little money and benefit as their prices increase — growing his net worth much much more than the appreciation in the underlying real estate.As one Trump biographer puts it “all of the original deals—[Trump’s father] Fred had to come in and sign the bank documents. None of them could have been done without Fred’s signature
Some articles claim that Donald Trump's inheritance was somewhere between 40 and 200 million in 1974.
Invested in the top500 companies on the us stock exchange that adds up to 8.7 billion today.

[Brian d marge]

And some people he knew....

sent for a divine source

[TheDemonLord]

Donald Trump received a lot of financial support from his father — in addition to a large inheritance.
His worth appears to be built on capitial gains in the New York real esate market.

He got massive loan guarantees he received from his father. If someone guarantees a loan to buy very expensive dollar building, then you can buy that building, take the equity in that building and benefit from the building's appreciation in value with very little of the downside. So you can turn a small amount of equity into a huge fortune really quickly if the building appreciates. On top of that Trump actually got loans to purchase buildings from his father, so between the loans, the loan guarantees and the inheritance it allowed him to do many things that most people can't do — to quickly buy very expensive buildings for very little money and benefit as their prices increase — growing his net worth much much more than the appreciation in the underlying real estate.As one Trump biographer puts it “all of the original deals—[Trump’s father] Fred had to come in and sign the bank documents. None of them could have been done without Fred’s signature
Some articles claim that Donald Trump's inheritance was somewhere between 40 and 200 million in 1974.
Invested in the top500 companies on the us stock exchange that adds up to 8.7 billion today.

That, is the very Big IF.

Say what you will - He clearly has taken something and turned it into More. And whilst it might not be something easy to do without a large initial capital investment - could you do the same as Trump if given the same starting cash?

The world is littered with the Offspring of Millionaires who do nothing but squander their inherited wealth as opposed to capitalising on it.

[Paul in NZ]

That, is the very Big IF.

Say what you will - He clearly has taken something and turned it into More. And whilst it might not be something easy to do without a large initial capital investment - could you do the same as Trump if given the same starting cash?

The world is littered with the Offspring of Millionaires who do nothing but squander their inherited wealth as opposed to capitalising on it.

I hear you. I have no doubt he is on some kind of spectrum just the way he talks and does (or does not) string words together. It’s very very far from the normal flow of narrative that most of us manage. It’s kind of like a very old processor trying to do too many jobs at once. There's something going on in that orange head that's just not quite 'right'... But if that is the case then he's been rather lucky...

The other thing to consider – is that like a lot of populist leaders he has tapped into a very broad seam of discontent that was ignored by mainstream politics. Not all of the people that voted him in are crazy right wing evangelicals. A lot are just poor white working class who have suffered under decades of globalism and are finally getting to the end of their tether…

He may be crazy, he may be stupid but if he is – well he seems to be lucky and that’s often even better.

[Brian d marge]

The world is littered with the Offspring of Millionaires who do nothing but squander their inherited wealth as opposed to capitalising on it.

Actually , everyone who has a birth certificate





sent for a divine source

[TheDemonLord]

I hear you. I have no doubt he is on some kind of spectrum just the way he talks and does (or does not) string words together. It’s very very far from the normal flow of narrative that most of us manage. It’s kind of like a very old processor trying to do too many jobs at once. There's something going on in that orange head that's just not quite 'right'... But if that is the case then he's been rather lucky...

The other thing to consider – is that like a lot of populist leaders he has tapped into a very broad seam of discontent that was ignored by mainstream politics. Not all of the people that voted him in are crazy right wing evangelicals. A lot are just poor white working class who have suffered under decades of globalism and are finally getting to the end of their tether…

He may be crazy, he may be stupid but if he is – well he seems to be lucky and that’s often even better.

Interesting points - I tend not to worry about the method of Someones speech - granted its unconventional, but, I'm more interested in the actions.

especially "If he is stupid, he is lucky - and that's often better" - very interesting point. I will think on it.

[Grumph]

I hear you. I have no doubt he is on some kind of spectrum just the way he talks and does (or does not) string words together. It’s very very far from the normal flow of narrative that most of us manage. It’s kind of like a very old processor trying to do too many jobs at once. There's something going on in that orange head that's just not quite 'right'... But if that is the case then he's been rather lucky...

The other thing to consider – is that like a lot of populist leaders he has tapped into a very broad seam of discontent that was ignored by mainstream politics. Not all of the people that voted him in are crazy right wing evangelicals. A lot are just poor white working class who have suffered under decades of globalism and are finally getting to the end of their tether…

He may be crazy, he may be stupid but if he is – well he seems to be lucky and that’s often even better.

Napoleon reckoned the best qualification for his generals was that they should be lucky...It worked for a while anyway.

What I'm waiting for is when the "poor white working class" who voted for him wake up to just what they've voted in. Probably the first time they try and get healthcare will show a lot of them.

[TheDemonLord]

Napoleon reckoned the best qualification for his generals was that they should be lucky...It worked for a while anyway.

What I'm waiting for is when the "poor white working class" who voted for him wake up to just what they've voted in. Probably the first time they try and get healthcare will show a lot of them.

What if Trump's business experience helps revitalize America's Industrial heartland?

I, myself, am not sure if this is even possible - but still - it is interesting to ponder.

Especially considering that Trump beat Hilary whilst spending half of what she did - that tells me he might know a thing or 2 about efficiency.

[Stylo]

[QUOTE=TheDemonLord;1131035795]What if Trump's business experience helps revitalize America's Industrial heartland?

I, myself, am not sure if this is even possible - but still - it is interesting to ponder.

Especially considering that Trump beat Hilary whilst spending half of what she did - that tells me he might know a thing or 2 about efficiency.

You made some sense until the last bit about 'efficiency'

How much is it costing to transport the orange buffoon to his hideaway in Florida every weekend ?

[husaberg]

That, is the very Big IF.

Say what you will - He clearly has taken something and turned it into More. And whilst it might not be something easy to do without a large initial capital investment - could you do the same as Trump if given the same starting cash?

The world is littered with the Offspring of Millionaires who do nothing but squander their inherited wealth as opposed to capitalising on it.

Nah the if was lower case.
I would rather concentrate on the people that turn nothing into something.
Casting aside the business sucess stories look closer to home with the likes of Fred Hollows
Or lets Lets look at the outgoing Prez Obama son of a Black imigrant in the most racist country in the world becomes president.
He handled all that was thrown at with with aplomb.
No silver spoon.

[pritch]

It's interesting watching. Trump said the pipelines that he approved recently would be built with US manufactured pipe. Almost immediately there was a less publicised amendment: one pipeline that a member of his cabinet has a financial interest in is now approved to be built with foreign (Russian?) steel.

I think the Democrats are being a bit dozy and disorganised still. The Republicans were endlessly ranting against "Obamacare". The Democrats should be hard out about "Trumpcare" to make absolutely sure that the people who lose their cover know who is responsible. Trump isn't happy about that, even more reason to do it.

[Grumph]

How much is it costing to transport the orange buffoon to his hideaway in Florida every weekend ?

Apparently more in the short period he's been in power than Obama cost all last year. And Trump ranted about how much Obama cost the country in his travels...

Found this point of view on the Alt Right. Might give Brian d'M a giggle anyway.

[Brian d marge]

Apparently more in the short period he's been in power than Obama cost all last year. And Trump ranted about how much Obama cost the country in his travels...

Found this point of view on the Alt Right. Might give Brian d'M a giggle anyway.
Yup it did give me a giggle
thanks

Grandpa has been in the shed tinkering with his bell

Again [emoji12]

sent for a divine source

[pete376403]

[QUOTE=TheDemonLord;1131035795]What if Trump's business experience helps revitalize America's Industrial heartland?

I, myself, am not sure if this is even possible - but still - it is interesting to ponder.

Especially considering that Trump beat Hilary whilst spending half of what she did - that tells me he might know a thing or 2 about efficiency.

You made some sense until the last bit about 'efficiency'

How much is it costing to transport the orange buffoon to his hideaway in Florida every weekend ?

I've read the Florida weekends cost about $3.5 mill per round trip

Big read explaining Trumps money man http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/42539-focus-trumps-money-man

[TheDemonLord]

You made some sense until the last bit about 'efficiency'

How much is it costing to transport the orange buffoon to his hideaway in Florida every weekend ?

Campaign Efficiency - I've yet to look into the business trips claim.

[TheDemonLord]

Nah the if was lower case.
I would rather concentrate on the people that turn nothing into something.
Casting aside the business sucess stories look closer to home with the likes of Fred Hollows

No, the if is very much the be all and end all - even with a leg-up, it is still very easy to make a bad business investment and go broke - for example - former NBA, Baseball stars etc. in the US - earned Millions, made some bad investments - now broke.



Or lets Lets look at the outgoing Prez Obama son of a Black imigrant in the most racist country in the world becomes president.
He handled all that was thrown at with with aplomb.
No silver spoon.

The most Racist country in the world? Not been to the UAE then? or India? or China? or South Africa?

This is not to say the US doesn't have racists in it, but the most racist country in the world? get off the grass!

[Ocean1]

Trump Winery seeks more foreign workers this season:

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/donald-trumps-america/90658784/trump-winery-seeks-more-foreign-workers-this-season


"Whitely said she assumed her company would be flooded with people applying for the jobs because of all the media coverage Trump Winery has received for using the H-2A program.

"Guess how many applicants we had? ... 13,'' she said. "And they were all from places like the Philippines, Indonesia, Kenya, Nigeria. We did not have one American worker apply on (the first job order).''

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Grumph]

Caller "Craig" to talkback just after 12 noon..."Trump is an inherently honest person"

Host bursts into laughter....He's just spent some time detailing most of what's been discussed here listing the ways Trump has been dishonest....

Yokel, were you "Craig" ?

[Brian d marge]

Caller "Craig" to talkback just after 12 noon..."Trump is an inherently honest person"

Host bursts into laughter....He's just spent some time detailing most of what's been discussed here listing the ways Trump has been dishonest....

Yokel, were you "Craig" ?
Actually, I heard a "rumour" that the joke in the rich fks community.. is Trump is THE most honest billionaire, as he made hiss money building sht ( no.. Bill Gates foistered that abomination called windows on humanity, the evil fker)

Doesn't say much about the rest does it ...

sent for a divine source

[Grumph]

The man's a raving nutbar...While the hearings with the FBI and NSA directors are on, Trump tweets that they've exonerated him...

The Democrats read it back to the two Directors as it's seen - and they categorically deny they've either exonerated him or found evidence of guilt - yet...

US commentators doubt he has the balls to fire the FBI director....

[pritch]

Caller "Craig" to talkback just after 12 noon..."Trump is an inherently honest person"



That's why I don't listen to talkback, too many deluded fuckwits. It's depressing.

Trump was tweeting lies again this morning, on the official @POTUS account no less, during the congressional hearing. Got called on a lie about the hearing, in the hearing, while it was still in progress. Another first for the age of the Internet? (This as per Grumph's post above.)

Ocean's point about immigrant workers is interesting. Most of the manual labour in the primary production areas of the USA is done by Mexicans, illegal or otherwise. (So incidentally, is the work in Trump's hotels and clubs.) If they boot significant numbers of the Mexicans out they'll have to pay more for fruit and vegetables, or alternatively crops will fail to be harvested. Either way prices will go up, and/or there will be shortages. Americans have already been advised to grow their own vegetables by way of insurance. Tough if you live in a New York apartment I guess.

[Ocean1]

Ocean's point about immigrant workers is interesting. Most of the manual labour in the primary production areas of the USA is done by Mexicans, illegal or otherwise. (So incidentally, is the work in Trump's hotels and clubs.) If they boot significant numbers of the Mexicans out they'll have to pay more for fruit and vegetables, or alternatively crops will fail to be harvested. Either way prices will go up, and/or there will be shortages.

It's simply amazing the number of people that can't or won't see a link between wages and prices. Making the first bigger and the second smaller is the premise most governments are elected on, and then everyone gets all shocked and mortified when the election promises never quite get delivered on.

Inventing a complete new pretend universe where those promises are actually delivered on is a new spin, though...

[jasonu]

[QUOTE=TheDemonLord;1131035795]

How much is it costing to transport the orange buffoon to his hideaway in Florida every weekend ?

Probably a shit load less than sending the last guy, his ugly wife and 2 kids to Hawaii every couple of months.

[husaberg]

No, the if is very much the be all and end all - even with a leg-up, it is still very easy to make a bad business investment and go broke - for example - former NBA, Baseball stars etc. in the US - earned Millions, made some bad investments - now broke.
Give him time, we still haven't see his tax returns yet.
https://www.thetoptens.com/most-racist-countries/


The most Racist country in the world? Not been to the UAE then? or India? or China? or South Africa?

This is not to say the US doesn't have racists in it, but the most racist country in the world? get off the grass!
https://www.thetoptens.com/most-racist-countries/
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/The-Top-12-Most-Racist-Countries-in-the-World-20150320-0019.html
I went looking and found a link that suited me :shutup:
India is generarly rated the highest though.

[Brian d marge]

https://youtu.be/xxaWCb9U9iQ

Twas like this back in the day ,

sent for a divine source

[TheDemonLord]

Give him time, we still haven't see his tax returns yet.
https://www.thetoptens.com/most-racist-countries/

You are seriously going to try and claim that as a valid source when it's a vote with ZERO objective evidence to back it up?




http://www.telesurtv.net/english/analysis/The-Top-12-Most-Racist-Countries-in-the-World-20150320-0019.html
I went looking and found a link that suited me :shutup:
India is generarly rated the highest though.

The second one from it's notes:


The list is in no order of more to less, given that various researchers and indexes have failed to agree.

So, it's a BS list.

In fact - lets read it's reasoning for placing it there:


Police in particular are renowned for their discrimination, killing Black people with little repercussions.

Lolwut.

They make it sound like a bad day in Sarajevo - I don't think the Author quite understands what Police killing without repercussions actually looks like - Fortunately we have real world happening right now in the Philipines.... And it looks nothing like what happens in the US (I guess the author has missed the Media Fanfares, even when the suspect was armed...).


On the border with Mexico, security forces have also murdered hundreds of Mexican migrants and refugees with impunity.

And again - not quite an accurate response - lets fix it:


On the border with Mexico, security forces have used justifiable force against hundreds of Mexican illegal migrants trying to enter the US illegally.

And I love this line:


The most recent FBI report suggests over 7,000 people were impacted by hate crimes nationwide in 2013. The agency says the majority of reported hate crimes were motivated by race.

7,000 people - out of a population of 325 Million.

Thats an incidence of 0.002%

And they are trying to claim it's the most racist country...

Get off the Grass!

[husaberg]

You are seriously going to try and claim that as a valid source when it's a vote with ZERO objective evidence to back it up?




The second one from it's notes:



So, it's a BS list.

In fact - lets read it's reasoning for placing it there:



Lolwut.

They make it sound like a bad day in Sarajevo - I don't think the Author quite understands what Police killing without repercussions actually looks like - Fortunately we have real world happening right now in the Philipines.... And it looks nothing like what happens in the US (I guess the author has missed the Media Fanfares, even when the suspect was armed...).



And again - not quite an accurate response - lets fix it:



And I love this line:



7,000 people - out of a population of 325 Million.

Thats an incidence of 0.002%

And they are trying to claim it's the most racist country...

Get off the Grass!
Do you not like my links:laugh:
They suited me, so i used them, don't be so mean.
since when does data really have to be real and stand up to scutiny.
Its just Alternative DataTM trump

[Grumph]

Probably a shit load less than sending the last guy, his ugly wife and 2 kids to Hawaii every couple of months.

Nope - as i've said before he's cost more in the short time he's been in office than Obama cost you last year.

Can't post a link - but the figures were posted on another forum by a couple of yanks who were no friends of Obama.
I'm sure you could find them if you don't believe...

[Brian d marge]

Hold on on Trump
There is something going on
Watch Trump in this vid. Watch hitlary and who also is in the crowd , very important
https://youtu.be/p7rzZCJ-rJE
Secondly
Donald Trump Accuses Ted Cruz's Father of Associating With Kennedy Assassin - First Draft. Political News, Now. - The New York Times
And
Trump Attacks Jeb Bush Over 9/11 | Ken Walsh's Washington | US News
Both Cruz and bush drop out a few days after
There is something very interesting going on with the boys
Remember pence is Vatican 2. As well as the team surrounding Trump ,.
First 100 day people first 100 days
Forget the corporate media which are shills for the agenda

sent for a divine source

[husaberg]

[QUOTE=Stylo;1131035800]

Probably a shit load less than sending the last guy, his ugly wife and 2 kids to Hawaii every couple of months.


Nope - as i've said before he's cost more in the short time he's been in office than Obama cost you last year.

Can't post a link - but the figures were posted on another forum by a couple of yanks who were no friends of Obama.
I'm sure you could find them if you don't believe...

http://elitedaily.com/news/politics/trump-cost-more-money-than-obama/1795815/
http://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/2/21/14683940/trump-travel-cost-mar-a-lago

According to the conservative watchdog group Judicial Watch, Obama’s travel costs during his eight years in office totaled about $97 million. If Trump maintains his current pace, he’ll outspend Obama in less than one year
http://www.rawstory.com/2017/03/trump-on-track-to-spend-more-on-travel-than-obama/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-costs-trips-security-taxpayer-barack-obama-month-year-a7586261.html


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T84se4fc4KU

[Brian d marge]

And secondly , ya cant QE without inflation, so where is that money, off shore, black Budget? It has to create inflation IF it enters the system
Asset purchase? ........

sent for a divine source

[husaberg]

Caller "Craig" to talkback just after 12 noon..."Trump is an inherently honest person"

Host bursts into laughter....He's just spent some time detailing most of what's been discussed here listing the ways Trump has been dishonest....

Yokel, were you "Craig" ?
http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/president-trump-faces-his-hardest-truth-he-was-wrong/ar-BByuqSE?li=AAaeXZz&ocid=spartanntp

James B. Comey — the FBI director whom Trump celebrated on the campaign trail as a gutsy and honorable “Crooked Hillary” truth-teller — testified under oath Monday what many Americans had already assumed: Trump had falsely accused his predecessor of wiretapping his headquarters during last year’s campaign.

Trump did not merely allege that former president Barack Obama ordered surveillance on Trump Tower, of course. He asserted it as fact, and then reasserted it, and then insisted that forthcoming evidence would prove him right.
But in Monday’s remarkable, marathon hearing of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence, Comey said there was no such evidence. Trump’s claim, first made in a series of tweets on March 4 at a moment when associates said he was feeling under siege and stewing over the struggles of his young presidency, remains unfounded.

Comey did not stop there. He confirmed publicly that the FBI was investigating possible collusion between Trump campaign officials and associates with Russia, part of an extraordinary effort by an adversary to influence the outcome of the 2016 U.S. election in Trump’s favor.
Questions about Russia have hung over Trump for months, but the president always has dismissed them as “fake news.” That became much harder Monday after the FBI director proclaimed the Russia probe to be anything but fake.
“There’s a smell of treason in the air,” presidential historian Douglas Brinkley said. “Imagine if J. Edgar Hoover or any other FBI director would have testified against a sitting president? It would have been a mind-boggling event.”
For Trump, Comey’s testimony punctuates what has been a troubling first two months as president. His approval ratings, which were historically low at his inauguration, have fallen even further. Gallup’s tracking poll as of Sunday showed that just 39 percent of Americans approve of Trump’s job performance, with 55 percent disapproving.

[Grumph]

Rachel Maddow (MSNBC) has an amusing story about Trump and golf. Before taking office he whined about Obama golfing and said he'd be in the White House working his ass off for the people. He's been on the course 11 times in the 8 weeks in office so far.
But he and his staff are becoming sensitive about it and won't confirm whether he's played or not - despite pics posted by his staff confirming it...
They're actually now trying to hide the golfing time.

This just gets better and better.

[pzkpfw]

Rachel Maddow (MSNBC) has an amusing story about Trump and golf. Before taking office he whined about Obama golfing and said he'd be in the White House working his ass off for the people. He's been on the course 11 times in the 8 weeks in office so far.
But he and his staff are becoming sensitive about it and won't confirm whether he's played or not - despite pics posted by his staff confirming it...
They're actually now trying to hide the golfing time.

This just gets better and better.

They also spin it...

e.g. http://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/20/president-trump-uses-golf-as-chance-to-do-presidential-business.html


The White House on Monday defended President Trump's frequent golf-playing and trips to golf courses by suggesting that Trump — who previously had blasted President Barack Obama for his own golf habit — is getting actual presidential business done on the links instead of just working on his short game.

[pritch]

Love this.

It is reported that Judge Napolitano judicial "expert" on FOX news has been taken off air. He is believed to be one of the sources of the theory that Obama had wire tapped Donald Trump. Trump recently made a comment to the effect that he was getting information from someone with a brillaint legal mind and that was thought to refer to Napolitano. Accuracy is not a requirement at FOX but...

Arnie was climbing into Trump overnight about the 37% approval rating. No doubt motivated by Trump's disparaging of his TV ratings, the Terminator would have been enjoying himself.

[oldrider]

Think about it - the joke is really on the American people and the rest of the world - why are we laughing? :scratch: - :confused:

[Zedder]

Think about it - the joke is really on the American people and the rest of the world - why are we laughing? :scratch: - :confused:


It's more of a shaggy dog story, you know:drawn out, many twists and turns, absurd etc.

[Grumph]

Think about it - the joke is really on the American people and the rest of the world - why are we laughing? :scratch: - :confused:

We're laughing because our govt - in power and the opposition - is as boring as batshit. And you know - "I'm all right Jack"

One Canadian of my internet acquaintance describes the US media as better than Game of Thrones at present.

[yokel]

Love this.

It is reported that Judge Napolitano judicial "expert" on FOX news has been taken off air. He is believed to be one of the sources of the theory that Obama had wire tapped Donald Trump. Trump recently made a comment to the effect that he was getting information from someone with a brillaint legal mind and that was thought to refer to Napolitano. Accuracy is not a requirement at FOX but...

Arnie was climbing into Trump overnight about the 37% approval rating. No doubt motivated by Trump's disparaging of his TV ratings, the Terminator would have been enjoying himself.

How's that Russians hacked the election conspiracy theory going??

Did that 37% approval rating come from the same out fit that said Trump had a 5% chance of winning the election??

The reason why they have taken Napolitano off air could very well because it is true, truth hurts you know.

You should wise up a bit.



The only thing that will end the absolute madness in the mainstream media is the truth about 9/11.

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[Voltaire]

Sharpen up, he said it was a bomb years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt-ldMj9y9w

[yokel]

More on Napolitano's comments on Obama's "wire tapping" https://youtu.be/YRgNerzZbgg


Bill Burr was right, Big Brother is watching.

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[pritch]

How's that Russians hacked the election conspiracy theory going??

According to Comey, head of the FBI, in Congress yesterday it's definitely still going.

He also says there is no evidence of wire tapping in Trump Tower so no normal people will believe Napolitano was telling the truth.





You should wise up a bit.




Coming from you that's hilarious. Oh and by the way, the truth about 9/11 is out. The conspiracy theories are laughable, they are only given credence by sad bastards who need to get a life.

[husaberg]

Coming from you that's hilarious. Oh and by the way, the truth about 9/11 is out. The conspiracy theories are laughable, they are only given credence by sad bastards who need to buy a wife.

Fixed it for you.:innocent:

[Voltaire]

Fixed it for you.:innocent:

Donald is keen on imports too...:lol:

[Woodman]

How's that Russians hacked the election conspiracy theory going??

Did that 37% approval rating come from the same out fit that said Trump had a 5% chance of winning the election??

The reason why they have taken Napolitano off air could very well because it is true, truth hurts you know.

You should wise up a bit.



The only thing that will end the absolute madness in the mainstream media is the truth about 9/11.

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And if trump says it was terrorists with box cutters, what will your response be?

[yokel]

According to Comey, head of the FBI, in Congress yesterday it's definitely still going.

He also says there is no evidence of wire tapping in Trump Tower so no normal people will believe Napolitano was telling the truth.


It's not the 1970s anymore, "wire tapping" is now no longer a literal trem.




Coming from you that's hilarious. Oh and by the way, the truth about 9/11 is out. The conspiracy theories are laughable, they are only given credence by sad bastards who need to get a life.



It's not the 1970s anymore, "wire tapping" is now no longer a literal trem.

All Napolitano did was explain how easy it would have been for Obama to spy on Trump.
And Obama did say that he continued to believe that Trump would not be president.
So Obama has the means and motive to do it plus many other underhand shit.

If the media told you dog shit was ice cream you'd lap it up.

[Grumph]

It's not the 1970s anymore, "wire tapping" is now no longer a literal trem.

All Napolitano did was explain how easy it would have been for Obama to spy on Trump.
And Obama did say that he continued to believe that Trump would not be president.
So Obama has the means and motive to do it plus many other underhand shit.

If the media told you dog shit was ice cream you'd lap it up.

I think you've lost your sense of smell mate, you're the one lapping the dog shit.

So Trump jumps from "how easy it would have been to bug me " straight to "I was bugged" with no evidence....Brilliant intellect at work there.

Obama didn't believe Trump would be president...So why then spy on him ? No logic.

The FBI and NSA are tasked with looking for breaches of US law by citizens. If they saw - in the course of their normal surveillance of the Russians - people who worked for Trump having dealings with them with no apparent legitimate reason, they would have cause to investigate. And that without direction from the Exectutive branch of govt, it's their job.

[pritch]

This is a bit long but the first few paras are confirmed hereabout. http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.html

[pritch]

Congressman Nunes (R CA) and Chairman of the Select Committee on Intelligence, wants an inquiry into the inquiry into the Russian connection. Nunes though is not impartial, he was a member of Trump's transition team.

[Grumph]

Anyone else seeing the similarity to a family of Russian dolls ?

Where there's doll inside doll inside doll....

[Banditbandit]

Anyone else seeing the similarity to a family of Russian dolls ?

Where there's doll inside doll inside doll....

:rofl: Trump is a hollow man ..

[oldrider]

This is a bit long but the first few paras are confirmed hereabout. http://www.urban75.org/info/conspiraloons.html


Applies equally to both sides of the coin - just depends upon who is doing the telling! - Difference - it's what makes the world go round. :corn:

[pritch]

Applies equally to both sides of the coin - just depends upon who is doing the telling! -

You lost me there.

To an extent we are all predisposed to take notice of conspiracy theories, it's an evolutionary thing. Most people though can sort the wheat from the chaff but some people are unable to. There is an identifiable pattern of behaviour and there are a couple hereabout who exhibit that behaviour strongly. They can be occasionally annoying but as long as they aren't hurting anybody it's not as if they require treatment. Yet.:devil2:

[Katman]

Most people though can sort the wheat from the chaff but some people are unable to.

That's where you seem to struggle.

Everything looks like chaff to you.

[bogan]

That's where you seem to struggle.

Everything looks like chaff to you.

Speaking of which, what happened to that thread about Hagar's new book?

[husaberg]

Speaking of which, what happened to that thread about Hagar's new book?

Pretty sure as a direct result of some conspiracy (that may or may not involve shape shifting lizards) it was merged with another thread and removed to PD.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0f/c6/e9/0fc6e9b0de2a8da70a3307db52f64966.jpg

[oldrider]

Interesting releases by Wiki? - http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2017/03/wikileaks-drops-nail-in-cia-coffee-vault-7s-dark-matter-reveals-apple-secret-3492750.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=beforeitsnews - :corn: interesting? - or not? :oi-grr: ..... :scratch: you choose.

[mashman]

Interesting releases by Wiki? - http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2017/03/wikileaks-drops-nail-in-cia-coffee-vault-7s-dark-matter-reveals-apple-secret-3492750.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=beforeitsnews - :corn: interesting? - or not? :oi-grr: ..... :scratch: you choose.

lol... it's de rigueur innit (https://www.lawsociety.org.nz/news-and-communications/latest-news/news/intelligence-and-security-bill-passes-third-reading)

[Grumph]

So the Republicans "didn't have the numbers" to get Obamacare repealed.
Funny when you control both Houses. Maybe they'd been listening to constituents ?

On the basis that Trump is predicting Obamacare's immenent "explosion", I forsee a bright future for Obamacare.
He hasn't been right yet...

[husaberg]

So the Republicans "didn't have the numbers" to get Obamacare repealed.
Funny when you control both Houses. Maybe they'd been listening to constituents ?

On the basis that Trump is predicting Obamacare's immenent "explosion", I forsee a bright future for Obamacare.
He hasn't been right yet...

Kind of Odd Obama managed without both.

Speaking to reporters at the White House, Trump said that he turns on the TV and opens the newspapers and sees “stories of chaos” but the truth is that “it is the exact opposite.”
“Chaos? There’s zero chaos,” Trump said. “We are running — this is a fine-tuned machine.”
He continued: “We have made incredible progress. I don’t think there’s ever been a president elected who in this short period of time has done what we’ve done.”
The president blamed what he called the hatred of the media for obscuring his accomplishments.
“The press has become so dishonest. The press is out of control. The tone is such hatred,” Trump said. “Tomorrow, they will say, ‘Donald Trump rants and raves.’ I’m not ranting and raving. I’m just telling you. You’re dishonest people.”


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2aSkfajb_o


Trump's campaign website noted the promise in clear terms, saying, "On day one of the Trump Administration, we will ask Congress to immediately deliver a full repeal of Obamacare."

At a speech in St. Augustine, Florida on Oct. 24, he vowed to repeal the current health care law as a part of his "contract with the American voter."

"It's a set of promises for what I'll do in my first 100 days. It includes getting rid of immediately Obamacare, which is a disaster," said Trump.

Then, just a week before the election in early November, Trump tied the success of a health care effort to his party's ability to maintain the majority in the House and Senate, which the GOP was able to accomplish.
“When we win on November 8th and elect a Republican Congress, we will be able to immediately repeal and replace Obamacare -- have to do it," said Trump, who also added,

"Obamacare has to be replaced and we will do it and we will do it very, very quickly."

A campaign press release on the speech doubled down on the promise in its title: "Donald J. Trump pledges to immediately repeal and replace Obamacare."
Trump additionally tweeted his intention to take action on health care at the start of his presidency as far back as February 2016 when he wrote, "We will immediately repeal and replace ObamaCare - and nobody can do that like me. We will save $'s and have much better healthcare!"

Yet now today
Following the collapse of the Republican-backed American Health Care Act this afternoon, President Donald Trump appeared to backtrack on his long-held stance that President Obama's signature legislation, the Affordable Care Act, should be repealed and replaced "immediately."
“I never said -- I guess I'm here, what, 64 days? I never said repeal and replace Obamacare -- you've all heard my speeches -- I never said repeal it and replace it within 64 days," said Trump in the Oval Office Friday. "I have a long time.”

[pritch]

Farcical. The Republicans voted nearly 70 times to repeal the ACA while Obama was President. Now they have the Presidency, the House, and the Senate and they are able to vote 0 times.

Some were going to vote no because they were afraid of what would happen to their cozy seat if their constituents lost their insurance cover. Most though were going to vote no because they think money should not be spent on healthcare but on a tax cut for themselves.

I don't like politicians generally but we are spared the totally cynical and selfish fuckups that inhabit the US system.
A baby in the womb is sacred and inviolate. As soon as it's outa there? Fuck it, it's on its own.

[Grumph]

You mean, like this ?

[Voltaire]

http://i.imgur.com/UE03lhB.jpg

Go the Don :facepalm:

[yokel]

Pretty sure as a direct result of some conspiracy (that may or may not involve shape shifting lizards) it was merged with another thread and removed to PD.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/0f/c6/e9/0fc6e9b0de2a8da70a3307db52f64966.jpg

One thing I noticed at the David Icke talk in Auckland was I've never seen so many "white" people in one room .

Apparently two fatal gun shots to the back of the head is not suicide.
http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/autopsy-results-vince-fosters-exhumed-body-cause-death-changed/


https://youtu.be/GYGPFs6JLuQ

[oldrider]

The comedy that just keeps on giving! :killingme

[Woodman]

One thing I noticed at the David Icke talk in Auckland was I've never seen so many alien abductees, paranoid schizophrenics, conclusion jumping, stoned, gullible hippies in one room .


Fixed.....................

[Brian d marge]

One thing I noticed at the David Icke talk in Auckland was I've never seen so many "white" people in one room .

Apparently two fatal gun shots to the back of the head is not suicide.
http://www.usapoliticstoday.com/autopsy-results-vince-fosters-exhumed-body-cause-death-changed/


https://youtu.be/GYGPFs6JLuQ

Only 2 , there has been 65 or more Arcancides , and more than 2 were by suicide by gunshot to back of head , twice . One was cashed car at high speed ( 50m from house , must have been a top fueler) then gunshot(s) to back of head ,...or died in a house fire , suitcases packed and by the door , gunshots to head , died in fire , suicide ( i think from memory)

Ive posted the websites before ,

[Brian d marge]

Fixed.....................

What people who are starting to question things or is what you were told in school the correct line of thought.

[oldrider]

Fixed.....................

You sure fixed it! - to know so much about it you must have been there too - obviously! :whistle:

[Ocean1]

Lizzards! Lizzards everywhere!!!.

:laugh::laugh::laugh:

[Brian d marge]

:laugh::laugh::laugh:
I fart in the bath and watch the bubbles , You laugh at your own humour

each to their own I suppose

[Woodman]

What people who are starting to question things or is what you were told in school the correct line of thought.

Nutters is nutters, and there will always be opportunists like icke to make a buck out of them.

[Brian d marge]

Nutters is nutters, and there will always be opportunists like icke to make a buck out of them.
That's true , but them nutters are causing quite a bit of problems

If the opportunists are exposing them then fine all good imho

Monsanto,? As an example


sent for a divine source

[Woodman]

That's true , but them nutters are causing quite a bit of problems

If the opportunists are exposing them then fine all good imho

Monsanto,? As an example


sent for a divine source

Agree, but its a shotgun approach.

[Brian d marge]

Agree, but its a shotgun approach.
We like shotguns ..

sent for a divine source

[Paul in NZ]

So the Republicans "didn't have the numbers" to get Obamacare repealed.
Funny when you control both Houses. Maybe they'd been listening to constituents ?

On the basis that Trump is predicting Obamacare's immenent "explosion", I forsee a bright future for Obamacare.
He hasn't been right yet...

Yes and no - the ultra right wing of the Republican party want it cut out - buried and the site sprayed with acid so it can never ever spring forth again. ie the proposed solution does not go far enough. Its still far to generous to poor people.. (ie people poorer than they are).

These groups make the Tea Party look like mother Theresa.... Sadly there is a wider ideological gulf opening up in the USA than anyone ever imagined possible.

[husaberg]

Yes and no - the ultra right wing of the Republican party want it cut out - buried and the site sprayed with acid so it can never ever spring forth again. ie the proposed solution does not go far enough. Its still far to generous to poor people.. (ie people poorer than they are).

These groups make the Tea Party look like mother Theresa.... Sadly there is a wider ideological gulf opening up in the USA than anyone ever imagined possible.

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[oldrider]

More ultra left fake news right here in New Zealand - even on KB would you believe! :yawn:

[Paul in NZ]

More ultra left fake news right here in New Zealand - even on KB would you believe! :yawn:

What you saying? Nothing fake at all. Conservative Republicans don't think the option presented went far enough so they are refusing to support it. Trumps blaming them in his tweets and moaning he couldn't get any Dems to vote for it (as if) but he supposedly has a majority so could pass anything right? Um - nope... The conservative Republicans don't think hes gone far enough hence they wont support it yet he knows if he goes that far - the more liberal Republicans wont support that... The great deal maker?? LOL

Read here - http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/americas/90869058/donald-trumps-giving-mixed-messages-about-whos-to-blame-on-healthcare

Freedom Caucus

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_Caucus


Club For Growth and Heritage

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_for_Growth


This is all for real John... The Republicans have major issues with the ultra right and are no closer to solving the rift.

[pritch]

I just posted on Twitter about so much suffering in the US being caused for purely idealogical reasons. My iPad is currently going crazy because of the numbers liking the message.

I absolutely agree with Pauls comments but there was also a Republican faction worried that if their constituents lost their insurance that would come back and bite them on the arse. Trump talked about the bill likely losing by a very narrow margin. The figure I saw was nearer 40. Not narrow, not close.

The heroin epidemic in the States is huge and it's caused initially by doctors handing out opiate pain killers in bulk because they know that the patient will not be able to afford to get treatment, and they know they won't be back for another script.

The highest death toll from heroin overdoses is in West Virginia where they voted for Trump. Talk about turkeys voting for Christmas.

[Ocean1]

The Republicans have major issues with the ultra right and are no closer to solving the rift.

Maybe there's a lesson to be taken here, in how ineffective a govt can be where it's comprised of such a huge number of single issue entities able to cheerfully block any legislation not aligning perfectly with their ideology.

Give me a single FPP elected entity every time.

[Banditbandit]

Maybe there's a lesson to be taken here, in how ineffective a govt can be where it's comprised of such a huge number of single issue entities able to cheerfully block any legislation not aligning perfectly with their ideology.

Give me a single FPP elected entity every time.

Yeah .. that figures .. you want an authoritarian regime

[pete376403]

Looks like Trump wants to set up a dynasty like north Korea - daughter Ivanka and son in lay Kushner being moved into political roles http://www.msn.com/en-nz/news/world/trump-taps-kushner-to-lead-a-swat-team-to-fix-government-with-business-ideas/ar-BByQdbb?li=AA59FU&ocid=spartanntp

[Ocean1]

Yeah .. that figures .. you want an authoritarian regime

I want a government capable of the job they were elected to do, rather than one nobody voted for, constrained by compromises demanded by a minority.

[pritch]

Give me a single FPP elected entity every time.

Nah fuck that. Wasn't even close to democratic. It was OK if say you lived in Fendalton, Karori, or on a farm and wanted to vote National. Or say Sydenham if you wanted to vote Labour.

We get the odd idiot now it's true, but that's a small price to pay for democracy.

[Brian d marge]

I want a government capable of the job they were elected to do, rather than one nobody voted for, constrained by compromises demanded by a minority.
Agreed
But what is this job they were elected to do?
Surely the free market is a better option?

sent for a divine source

[oldrider]

Apparently whoever sucks hardest and longest wins the required approval - make it this way or it's the highway! :shifty: America first - just after Israel. :corn:

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[TheDemonLord]

I want a government capable of the job they were elected to do, rather than one nobody voted for, constrained by compromises demanded by a minority.

It's an interesting Dilema.

One which I don't think either system solves adequately.

If only we could have benevolent dictators....

[Ocean1]

Nah fuck that. Wasn't even close to democratic. It was OK if say you lived in Fendalton, Karori, or on a farm and wanted to vote National. Or say Sydenham if you wanted to vote Labour.

We get the odd idiot now it's true, but that's a small price to pay for democracy.

It was as close as it's possible to get to true representative government. As I said, MMP usually gives you a government nobody voted for.

True democracy might be got by having every citizen vote on every broad policy objective. But you know damned well how that works: everyone wants everything, now, and they want someone else to pay for it.

So like I said, a vote on an internally cohesive policy set is as close to a workable democracy you'll get.

[Ocean1]

It's an interesting Dilema.

One which I don't think either system solves adequately.

If only we could have benevolent dictators....

Aye. But not too benevolent, you have to keep all the whining ingrates in line.

[Katman]

Apparently whoever sucks hardest and longest wins the required approval - make it this way or it's the highway! :shifty: America first - just after Israel.

That motherfucker is scarier than Donald Trump.

[Banditbandit]

It was as close as it's possible to get to true representative government. As I said, MMP usually gives you a government nobody voted for.



Have you looked at voting history over the last say 30 years? How often did any Government in this country gain more than 50% of the total vote?

in 1972 Labour got 48.4% of the total
In 1975 national got 47.6%
In 1978 national got 39.8% Labour got 40.04 - National Governed
In 1981 National got 38.8% Labour got 39% (The Nats Governed - Muldoon)
In 1984 Labour got 42.98%
1987 Labour got 47.9%
In 1990 National got 47.82
1993 National got 35.05%
In 1997 National got 33.87% - Bolger got to run the place - this was the first election under MMP.

Given that there is low turn out - never 100% of voters, you cannot claim in any shape or form, that from 1972 to 1993 ANY Government had majority support of the voters.

So tell me again about how we had a representative democracy under FFP.

[Woodman]

Are those figures the percentage of the total of eligible voters or the percentage of people who actually voted?